WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.839 You're listening to Big the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:05.639 In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to 3 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:08.400 bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've 4 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:12.759 seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:16.719 to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, 6 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:19.719 and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. 7 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:21.320 These are the. 8 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:24.800 Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, 9 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:28.359 because today you'll hear another account that just might change 10 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:31.199 the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, 11 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:33.039 all right, Pick the Society. We get the privilege of 12 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:38.000 talking to mister Frank Fisher today. Frank is an individual 13 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:42.039 got connected to He's a fisherman and an outdoorsman. He 14 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:45.520 had a really interesting thing happen that greatly affected him 15 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:48.159 as we were talking a little bit before the show started. 16 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:54.000 It really really got him curious, shook him up too. 17 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:56.679 So welcome to the show, Frank. Carry you doing today, sir? 18 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:00.799 Oh? Thanks man. Yeah, I'm doing pretty good, pretty good. 19 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:02.799 I'm glad to be able to talk to somebody that 20 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:06.760 I might be able to get some information from. I 21 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:09.560 wish I could have talked to you about a month 22 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:12.000 or so ago when it first halpened, you know, but 23 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:14.680 it's still very fresh in my brain, that's for sure. 24 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:15.920 Oh yeah. 25 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:19.680 And man, just the fact that it's within it's like 26 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:21.680 a month, month and a half. I mean that is 27 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:25.079 extremely recent for this field. A lot of people I 28 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:27.640 talked to it's like, well, it happened twenty thirty years ago, 29 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:32.359 but I mean a month that's pretty wild. So Frank, 30 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:37.920 can you take us to what area this happened in 31 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:40.159 and what was going on that day? 32 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:48.719 Well, the area is it's just over the Georgia borderline 33 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:58.359 into Alabama off of I twenty. It's like brand Burne 34 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:03.760 Muscadine area. Some people refer to it as Hafflin Crewver's 35 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.400 It's yeah, it's it's a bunch of small towns out there. 36 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:14.599 And uh, it was right off I twenty, like I say, 37 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:23.039 near exit two ten. Uh. And uh, actually I had 38 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:27.520 UH before I even moved out here. I Uh, I 39 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:31.639 had checked into UH on the on the bfr OH 40 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:36.360 website they have you know, sightings, and the last two 41 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:39.360 sightings that they had out here in Alabama were in 42 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:43.199 this area. So I, you know, I saw that I 43 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:45.039 was like, oh man, this is wild. You know. I 44 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:48.000 called my son because you know, we we like talking 45 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:50.800 about you know, Bigfoot. It's it's it's an interesting comp 46 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:56.879 you know, conversation, interesting copic and uh so like we're 47 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:01.240 we're talking about this, and you know, at the time, 48 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:04.400 I didn't think anything would ever come of it. Well, 49 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.560 about a month or so ago, I got up, it 50 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:14.599 was about four o'clock in the morning, and I turned 51 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:16.719 a back light on to let the dogs out in 52 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:21.120 the backyard. And it's just a little bug light. It's 53 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:26.120 not a very bright light. Well, it's probably about maybe 54 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:30.879 about one hundred and fifty feet maybe give or takes 55 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:35.719 them a There's an area in my property. I sit 56 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:37.599 up high at where my house is at. I'm kind 57 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:40.080 of like on a little hill, and then the property 58 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:44.360 dips down to a drainage and the drainage runs through 59 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:46.840 the property and then it goes back up and it 60 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.960 leads out into the woods. I mean, I'm all surrounded. 61 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.080 I'm not far at all from the Talladega National Forest. 62 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:57.680 And you've got like Talladega and then you've got it's 63 00:03:57.800 --> 00:03:59.639 like all green belt. If you look at it on 64 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:02.919 the map. Uh it's it's a huge, just a huge 65 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:07.479 forest area. It goes off into Georgia and it expands 66 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:10.879 and goes out all through Alabama. This we're not that 67 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:16.839 far from a Chehaw Mountain. It's the highest elevation in Alabama. 68 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:20.120 I forget what it is, somewhere around four thousand and 69 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:27.000 four thousand, five hundred feet and so. Anyways, so I 70 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:31.160 turned on the light and out there near this drainage, 71 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:35.839 I catch an eye. It's just one eye, but it 72 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:40.120 was huge. It was a red maybe a reddish orange 73 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:45.439 kind of eye glowing and the slash light. Yeah, with 74 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.959 the bug light on the on the on the on 75 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:50.920 the house. I mean, you know, a bug light doesn't 76 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:56.199 give off much light, right, and I would imagine that 77 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.319 this eye had to be pretty big and s incident 78 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.680 to be able to you know, reflect the light of 79 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:06.720 just this bug light. So I grabbed my flashlight because 80 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:09.600 we have a flashlight right next to the door, and 81 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.480 I shined the flashlight out there. Now, the flashlight needs 82 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:16.079 new batteries. Again. I wish I would have had a 83 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:19.920 better flashlight at the time, but I didn't. And I 84 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:22.439 shined it out there, and all of a sudden, I 85 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:26.120 got these two huge red glowing eyes looking at me, 86 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:29.199 and I'm like, what the heck is that? And I 87 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.839 mean they're far apart, it's not like they're close together. 88 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:37.519 And it actually looked at me for you know, a 89 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:40.319 couple of seconds, and then you could you could make 90 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:44.800 out this whatever it was like turning its head because 91 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.240 the way the eye shine went away, you know, you 92 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:49.879 see the eye shine diminish. I'm like, man, where did 93 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:53.399 it go? So I started scanning around real quick, and 94 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:57.160 it had already made it up the hill going back 95 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:00.639 up the other side, heading towards the wor it had 96 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.360 already made it up about over half the way when 97 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:08.839 I caught it again. So and I mean the thing 98 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.959 turned around and looked at me. It didn't just get 99 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.439 scared because of the flashlight and take off running. And 100 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:17.439 that was the end. It turned and looked at me again, 101 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:19.160 and I'm like, look at this thing, you know, what 102 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:22.879 the heck is this? And again it turned it and 103 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:24.519 like I say, when it turned. 104 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:30.519 Its head, it I can't say it looked like it 105 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.319 was on a neck, you know what I mean, like 106 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.600 a human where you know, you have your body because. 107 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.240 If it was a bear, because we have bears out here, 108 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:41.319 We've found a few bear tracks in the yard, so 109 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:43.920 I know there's bear out here. And that's pretty much 110 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:49.319 what I was thinking it was at the time when 111 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:52.120 I first started watching this thing, I'm thinking, you know, 112 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:55.639 what is this a bear? You know, well, the way 113 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:59.000 it turned its head just it looked more like it 114 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:00.519 was set up, like I say, on a pair of 115 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:04.560 shoulders and neck. Anyway, So it turned and I lost 116 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:07.240 it again because it turned and walked away and it 117 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:09.160 was out of its eyes were out of the shine 118 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:12.759 of the flashlight. So I started scanning around again, and 119 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:15.480 then I picked it up one more time. It stopped 120 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:19.040 at the top of the hill and was turned looking 121 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:23.120 at me again, and I'm like, God to see, you know, 122 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:27.360 I mean that really kind of like I thought, that 123 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:29.480 was really neat. It kind of freak me out. I'm thinking, 124 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.160 what is this, What's gonna stop and turn and look 125 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.439 at me? I mean, even a bear, even though it's 126 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:37.959 a big predator, you know, and you know, I'm sure 127 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.959 they are very self confident, and you know, he might 128 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.519 have been looking back to see if you know, I 129 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.399 was going to go after him or something. But you 130 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.480 know a lot of times, even bears, they just turn 131 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.439 around and run and take off from what I you know, 132 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:58.120 a little bit I've seen of them. Yeah, so I 133 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:00.040 caught it in the light for the second time. I 134 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.360 turned back and looked at me, and then it was 135 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:05.959 often too the woods. And you know, as far as 136 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.279 like being able to tell how high it was, how 137 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:13.040 tall it was, like I sit up on the highest 138 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.720 point in my property and it was down at the 139 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:18.959 lowest point, and then it went back up and it 140 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.879 was it was at night. There wasn't any reference points, 141 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:27.360 you know, so I tried to to, you know, think 142 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:34.279 in my mind exactly what you know about where the 143 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:36.960 eyes were, especially when it was on the other side 144 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:39.559 of the property and down at the very bottom. I 145 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:42.080 went down there, and you know, it's just it's so 146 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.200 hard to say, I mean, because if it was a bear, 147 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:47.279 it would have been obvious that it only would have 148 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:51.639 been maybe three feet off the ground or something. But 149 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.600 I just have a feeling it wasn't It wasn't that small. 150 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:00.679 You know, it seemed like it it might had some 151 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:04.360 some height to it, just because of the way that uh, 152 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:08.799 you know, the the eye shine was, like I say, 153 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:11.080 and at the bottom, at the top, it seemed like 154 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:14.840 it was more, especially at the top, it was more 155 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:22.320 like the background of the woods, not so much the 156 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:25.399 background of the ground that it was standing on, because 157 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:27.480 you know, if it's small and you're looking at it, 158 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:31.200 it's gonna look like it's it's it's small, and you're 159 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:34.679 going to see the ground all around it, not not 160 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:37.720 the the oft in the distance where the woods and 161 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.120 the sky is starting and everything. You know what I'm 162 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:40.960 trying to say. 163 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.360 Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you know so. 164 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:47.519 Uh and that that was. That was pretty much it. 165 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.679 And I, you know, I I went ahead and uh, 166 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.240 you know, brought the dogs in and uh oh yeah. 167 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:58.759 And and before that had happened, I got I got 168 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:02.399 a little uh, I got a little pitfull. And she's 169 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:05.919 not afraid of anything. She's she's a tough little dog, 170 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:09.159 and she was there was a couple of nights before 171 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:14.039 I had I had had this, you know experience. She 172 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:16.600 was like throwing herself at the back and again that 173 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:18.600 could have been you know, if there was a bear 174 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.399 and it was in the back yard there, I'm sure 175 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:25.080 that would have freaked her out too. But you know, 176 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:27.679 she really had me wondering it was it was. It 177 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:30.000 had happened two nights in a row where she was 178 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:32.879 just like out there, and because usually she just sits 179 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:35.120 at the back door and doesn't do anything, she might 180 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:38.039 paw off the back door a little bit. But there 181 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:41.440 was something out there was that was spooking her. And 182 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.320 we got a lot of coyotes around too, that you 183 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:47.320 know that that could have been it possibly, uh, And 184 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:50.360 I've seen plenty of coyotes at night. And I mean 185 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.200 I looked, I just scoured the internet trying to find 186 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:59.639 anything on eyeshine, and I looked there was a finding 187 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:03.559 big foot. It was called the Kentucky Eyeshine And I 188 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:06.559 looked at that video and I compared in my you know, 189 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:10.159 in my mind, of course, uh, what I had what 190 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:13.360 I had saw for what they had, and the spacing 191 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.360 was about the same, but it just seemed like what 192 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:19.639 I saw had had bigger eyes. And you know, I 193 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.320 was talking with some people and they said, well, maybe 194 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.919 it was an owl, because I mean there's some huge 195 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:31.200 rats and all kinds of you know, little garments, skunks 196 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:34.360 and rats. We're not skunks probably, but rabbits and ramadillos, 197 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:37.080 all that kind of stuff that's you know, just a 198 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:40.720 little native animals that that owls could pick up at night. 199 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:45.360 But I just can't see an owl turning back and 200 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:49.440 looking at me and a bear possibly. But if it 201 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:51.879 was a bear, it was a lobber, I'm gonna tell you, 202 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:57.000 because those eyes were set far apart, man far apart, 203 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:00.240 and uh so I didn't really come up with much 204 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:05.799 of anything as far as uh you know, the internet 205 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:11.559 goes that bears on trail cams and owls and stuff 206 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:15.240 like that, and uh so, I was just hoping to 207 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:19.440 talk to somebody that could help me make a little 208 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:24.440 sense of you know what, I'm what I saw. I'm 209 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:25.120 lost on. 210 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:28.919 It, absolutely, uh it is. 211 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:35.399 It is really interesting, especially that it was. It was 212 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:38.279 it looked at it looked at you a few times. 213 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.279 So you said the dogs were acting weird the first 214 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.120 like the nights before, were they also acting weird that 215 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.240 same night when you had them outside. 216 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:53.000 Too, Well, what happened was they were out in the 217 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:57.720 backyard and I was looking at this and I honestly 218 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:02.919 couldn't tell you that there was there was. I can't 219 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:05.559 even remember how many were out in the backyard because 220 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:10.200 once I started looking at this thing, they were pretty 221 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:16.360 much off my mind. Now I do know they they 222 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.799 all came in with no problem because I had the 223 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:22.279 door open and I was looking out there. It was 224 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:25.279 starting to get cool, but it wasn't that bad yet. 225 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:29.600 And uh, yeah, they they they didn't know they did. 226 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:33.279 They didn't. They didn't go freaking out and throwing a fit. 227 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.279 But they all came running in with no problem. Because 228 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.840 a lot of times I can't get them in, they 229 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:41.440 stay out in the backyard. They love it out there, 230 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:43.759 so I'm not going to tell you. Yeah, you know, 231 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:48.279 they came running in with their tails tuck, but I 232 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:51.080 wasn't really paying attention to that, and they did all 233 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:55.399 come in really quick, So they didn't stay out in 234 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.559 the yard and nose around back there. They didn't go 235 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:00.799 running down to the back of the us either, because 236 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.879 it's a it's a fairly decent sized fenced in backyard, 237 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:07.440 and they all just kind of stood up around near 238 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.799 the house with me, and yeah, when it was time 239 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:13.120 to come in, they all came in. 240 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:19.679 Gotcha, You've kind of alluded to it a few times, 241 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:25.879 but it sounds like we don't have a definite what 242 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:28.320 you think the height of the eyes off the ground 243 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.399 might be, or how far away from each other they. 244 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.679 Were, Yeah, they were, they were far apart. I know 245 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.279 that much. Okay, No, I mean not not ridiculously. And 246 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.320 as far as height goes, now, it's so hard to 247 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.200 say because it was one of those nights where it 248 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.200 was really dark out No I don't know, you know, 249 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:50.799 if the moon was just covered up, but I think 250 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.320 it was one of those almost moonless nights or a 251 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:57.679 really small moon. So everything was really really dark out there, 252 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:00.440 because I mean, we're we're pretty mu much out in 253 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:04.759 the middle of nowhere, and uh, you know, when there's 254 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:07.399 a clear sky, you see stars everywhere. There's not a 255 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.960 lot of uh, no city lights, no, no neighbors much 256 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:14.279 to speak of. I have one neighbor that's about it, 257 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:21.399 and uh, all of that is just like, uh, you know, 258 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:26.399 there's there's there's no lighting to mess with anything, you 259 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:29.720 know what I'm trying to right, it was really dark 260 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:32.639 and where the eyes were at it was so hard 261 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:35.039 to tell if it was if it was really tall 262 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:38.759 or not. You know, standing up at the very top 263 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.919 of the hill where it right before it went into 264 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:46.960 the woods, it seemed like it it was up high 265 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:52.080 enough so that it wasn't like looking like it was 266 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:54.080 down on the ground that looked like it was up 267 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:57.320 in the air more how much, you know, Like I said, 268 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.559 I just I couldn't say. I couldn't say. That's that's 269 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:03.919 why I was after I saw it, because you know, 270 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:06.120 the eyes were so big and like I've said, it 271 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:10.440 a bunch of times already spread so far apart. It 272 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:15.799 had me wondering what the heck I had saw? And yeah, 273 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:21.639 I just I don't know as far as hythe reference, 274 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:24.919 I didn't have anything to reference. It too too dark, 275 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:28.879 and the and the ground is just so irregular. Yeah, 276 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:31.480 I wish, I wish I could have. Let me tell you, 277 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:34.799 I got I got some night vision goggles for Christmas 278 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:38.879 after after this happened. So I'm ready if if if 279 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:40.960 I ever see anything out there again, I'm going to 280 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:43.600 have those and I'm going to be able to you know, 281 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.000 my luck it won't come back. But yeah, and if 282 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:51.720 it is a bear, it could possibly come back, you know. 283 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:57.159 Oh yeah, and absolutely so that that's actually a good 284 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:01.399 conversation to have. Is so after this expan, How did 285 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:05.039 this experience affect you in the days afterwards? 286 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:09.359 Oh, I mean, I was, I was. I was totally 287 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:12.640 taken by it. I was, I was, I was obsessed 288 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:15.240 with seeing this thing again when I when I was 289 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:18.279 I wake up a couple of times a night and 290 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.039 I get out of bed instead of trying to roll 291 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.160 over and go back to sleep, and i'd I'd be 292 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.799 out there looking through the property trying to see something, 293 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:30.000 you know, no, l no, Well, one night I think 294 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.160 I saw a coyote. And I see the neighbors dogs 295 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:35.599 every now and then we got some dogs that kind 296 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:38.920 of run the neighborhood, you know, and their little tiny, 297 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:44.559 small yellow eyes, you know, And that's there. You can 298 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:49.319 you can definitely tell the difference between coyotes and dogs 299 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:52.480 and and and what I saw there was no comparison. 300 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:58.319 I mean, uh, what what what does do you know? Off? 301 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:01.599 Can I look? And it said that bear do have 302 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:04.440 like a red eye shine sometimes? 303 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:09.400 Yeah, so the question is. 304 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:12.400 Like what will have red what would have red glowing 305 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:18.240 eyes at night? I'm guessing yeah, okay, so yeah, absolutely 306 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.440 so there is actually and these guys are great. I 307 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:26.200 just talked to Marie a few times on the show. 308 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:29.880 But shout out mid Florida bigfoot dot com. They have 309 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:32.720 a really good post where you can actually look up 310 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.480 and they have it all written out. You know, what 311 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:41.000 what things make the different colors of eye shine. So 312 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:44.119 if we're looking at red eyeshine, it's going to be 313 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:50.319 things such as alligators and crocodiles, different types of owls, nighthawks, woodcocks, 314 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:56.319 black bear, gray red fox, river otters, seals, possums, rabbits, porcupines. 315 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:01.079 Yo, Well, all of that would be totally out of 316 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:05.000 the question, except for maybe if it could have possibly 317 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:08.000 been a huge owl. But I don't it would have 318 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.799 add to have been a monster owl. And I'll tell 319 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:14.759 you something I would have I think I would have 320 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:17.640 noticed it being closer to the ground because it was dark, 321 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:20.000 and like I say, there was no real reference points 322 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:22.279 for me to say, well it was as hall as 323 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:24.680 that tree, or as hall as the branch on the tree, 324 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:28.200 or or anything like that. But like I said, when 325 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:32.200 it got to the top of the hills, my pupp 326 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:34.759 like I say, I sit up high, and then my 327 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:38.680 property goes down to drainage, and then after the drainage, 328 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:40.720 it goes back up and up and up and up, 329 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:44.079 and it goes off into the woods. And whatever it was, 330 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:48.359 it covered a lot of ground really quick, So an 331 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.039 owl could have done that possibly, But I think I 332 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:52.920 just think I would have noticed it being an all 333 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:54.680 and I don't think it would have turned around and 334 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:58.839 looked at me, not twice, you know, the first time 335 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:01.359 I shined a light. And it's I think if it 336 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.200 was an awl, it probably would have would have taken off, 337 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:07.119 you know. I mean it's it's it's just a bird. 338 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.200 And it might be a bird of prey. But it's 339 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:13.440 just a bird. It's not really uh you know, it's 340 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:16.160 not a huge bear. It doesn't know it's its size 341 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:20.000 a bear. It could have possibly been a bear. That's 342 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:22.160 that's the only that's the only other thing I could 343 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:24.759 I could have thought it was all the little things. 344 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.839 No way, no way. It's especially you know the way 345 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:31.440 it kind of almost slowly turned its head. It didn't 346 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:34.920 it didn't seem like it was it was afraid of anything. 347 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:40.000 You know. A long time ago I had I had 348 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:45.359 a huge Burmese python and a monster size retick. And 349 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:47.839 they knew how big they were. You could tell once 350 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:50.400 they hit a certain size. When you went to pick 351 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:54.079 them up. Sometimes they got a little uh, especially the 352 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:57.519 reticulated python got a little nasty with me and would 353 00:20:57.559 --> 00:20:59.319 try to bite me. After a while, I put it 354 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:02.279 in a cage. Do visuous but when it was small, 355 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:05.680 it was fine. But once it got big, it it 356 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:08.839 was uh yeah, it was. It knew its size, and 357 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:15.079 I believe animals like bears, know their size, and it 358 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:19.039 could have possibly been and you know, turned and looked 359 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:24.480 at me because shining a light in its eyes, you know, 360 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:30.400 it wasn't uh you know, it didn't. It didn't encourage 361 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:34.200 it to stay around, so it started moving off, but 362 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:36.440 to turn back and look at me twice like that. 363 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:38.920 And then, like I say, at the top of the hill, 364 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:42.279 it just from what I could when I could, I could, 365 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:46.000 you know, imagine after after looking at that area the 366 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:48.640 next morning, you know, because I was trying it because 367 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.720 after you know, at first I didn't look at it 368 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:52.160 and go, oh wow, this is a this is a 369 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:55.799 big foot. You know. I was just more enormed with 370 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.640 the eyes, the size of them, the color of them 371 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.960 a distance apart, and you know, like I was saying, 372 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:06.480 my dogs, I didn't I couldn't really tell you what 373 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:08.720 they did. I know, they didn't run down there at 374 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:11.519 the back fence and start barking. They do that a 375 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:14.440 lot of times whenever they see something out in the yard. 376 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:17.799 You know, they're you know, protectular their property. 377 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:18.799 Absolutely. 378 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:25.680 Yeah, did you notice any or what were the sounds 379 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:29.720 and smells of the backyard like when you were out there? 380 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:38.720 Well, sound wise, the wind out here is since since 381 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.119 they cleared this area and where I sit, I sit 382 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:45.799 up pretty high, and uh, right after, right after this 383 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.599 had happened, a lot of rain came and it was 384 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:52.960 it was windy. It was real windy. And the way 385 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:57.680 my house is facing, it blows from the north a 386 00:22:57.720 --> 00:22:59.440 lot of times and it hits the front of the 387 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.720 house and goes out, so any any kind of when 388 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:06.440 I say it goes out, it goes you know, out 389 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:09.519 towards the back of my property, because I was in 390 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:13.599 the backyard standing there looking out over my property and 391 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:17.920 whatever I saw was out there pretty far. Like I said, 392 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:20.559 at least, you know, it's hard to say too because 393 00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:24.519 again it's everything's that's it's it's such a rolling, hilly area. 394 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:30.200 And as far as any smells, I can't say that 395 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.680 I actually smelled anything, but it would have been hard 396 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:36.720 to with the with the wind, because it that's one thing. 397 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:40.240 We get some some some pretty decent wind blowing through 398 00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:44.960 out here. And I didn't hear anything either, you know, 399 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:50.960 But yeah, that's about that. 400 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.000 Gotcha the next. 401 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:54.799