Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond.
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Speaker 3: I'm star and.
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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay.
Speaker 2: Hey, kids, is Cliff Berrickman. And you are now listening
Speaker 2: to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and usually Bobo. Bobo
Speaker 2: is on vacation. He's actually off the continent right now,
Speaker 2: so we're going to leave him out of this. But
Speaker 2: I know that we all miss him and everything like that.
Speaker 2: I know I do. I can barely sleep at night
Speaker 2: knowing that Bobo is not going to be on the
Speaker 2: podcast the next day. But anyway, let's go to our guests.
Speaker 2: Because I've been actually trying to get this guy on
Speaker 2: the show for quite a while. It's started running across
Speaker 2: this guy but last year at some point, I don't
Speaker 2: think we've known each other very long, but we kind
Speaker 2: of hit it off. We're good friends at this point.
Speaker 2: I did I did a conference that he organized this
Speaker 2: past this past spring or summer or something earlier in
Speaker 2: the year. Anyway, and he has a lifetime worth of
Speaker 2: adventure to share. You know, he's a film producer, he's
Speaker 2: an adventurer in general, he's an organized he's a lot
Speaker 2: of different things, but more than anything, he is Steven Majors.
Speaker 2: So Steven, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 2: And I'm so happy we can finally get you on.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry for Bobo's absence.
Speaker 3: Not a problem, man, I'm just grateful to be on
Speaker 3: the show, and thank you for that wonderful intro. Man,
Speaker 3: that's the best I ever got.
Speaker 2: You cover it the best. Oh man, you need to
Speaker 2: do more podcast because I thought it was pretty mediocre,
Speaker 2: you know. Well anyway, So yeah, you've had basically a
Speaker 2: lifetime of kind of circling around the Bigfoot of the
Speaker 2: bigfoot subject in some way or another. And I know
Speaker 2: that it started up in coastal British Columbia back in
Speaker 2: the day. How did a bigfoot get on your radar?
Speaker 3: What you said there were really good. I really had.
Speaker 3: I had a very interesting father, and I had a
Speaker 3: very interesting childhood because he was a really adventurous guy too,
Speaker 3: and he kind of that kind of emulated in me
Speaker 3: and some of my siblings as well. But one of
Speaker 3: the fortunate things that relate to Bigfoot here is I
Speaker 3: was born in Kellogg, Idaho, so northern Idaho. That's where
Speaker 3: I raised until nineteen seventy six. And my father comes
Speaker 3: home and he says, hey, here's the deal. We're moving
Speaker 3: to this wonderful, beautiful place. It's heaven on Earth. It's
Speaker 3: called Jennis Bay. It's located on the northern coast of BC,
Speaker 3: out in the bush across from Port Hardy, where he
Speaker 3: had actually lived and worked at logging camps in various
Speaker 3: places in the nineteen forties and fifties. And we're like,
Speaker 3: oh wow, you know, and he's a really beautiful sketch
Speaker 3: artist and he would sketch all these photos about this
Speaker 3: is what it looks like and blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm like, twelve tan or whatever. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And so anyways, subsequently he moved us,
Speaker 3: school got out, he packed us up, and we all
Speaker 3: moved to this little place called Jennis Bay out there
Speaker 3: on the coast. And it was a real adventure because
Speaker 3: you know, here we are and we're young, and we
Speaker 3: drive to Seattle and then we get on a floatplane
Speaker 3: and then we fly for three and a half hours,
Speaker 3: just you know, up the coast, and we finally we
Speaker 3: land in this in this little bay. I always remember
Speaker 3: the day we came in there. It was gray and
Speaker 3: overcast and you know, just kind of typical BC with her,
Speaker 3: I guess, and we land in the land in this
Speaker 3: little little bay called Jennis Bay. And what was there
Speaker 3: was an abandoned logging camp that was closed down in
Speaker 3: the fifties and it was like a town. There were
Speaker 3: twenty seven buildings there, homes and jobs and blah blah
Speaker 3: blah that have been completely abandoned and left to itself
Speaker 3: for all those years. He moved us up there, and
Speaker 3: one of the things that we we came to know
Speaker 3: about it after we had been there for a little
Speaker 3: bit is my ad had actually grown up with a
Speaker 3: chief of the Indian village that was down there in Hopetown.
Speaker 3: Village was just down the inlet from us, and so
Speaker 3: he was good friends with them, and when we had
Speaker 3: moved there, we had some associations with them, and the
Speaker 3: rules were kind of set down. It was like a
Speaker 3: welcome thing, you know, welcome you know, children of Jerry
Speaker 3: Major blah blah, that kind of thing to the area
Speaker 3: and nice to media. Now here are some ground rules
Speaker 3: for living in the area. One of the ground rules
Speaker 3: was we were free to travel anywhere that we wanted
Speaker 3: to around the lakes and the inlet. However, there was
Speaker 3: a specific area that is just northwest of the of
Speaker 3: the Hopetown village, and it was like, you go anywhere,
Speaker 3: but see those mountains up there, You do not go
Speaker 3: up there. That is a sake. That's those are sacred grounds.
Speaker 3: You stay out of there. Don't go up there because
Speaker 3: if you do, you're going to run into trouble because
Speaker 3: there is a guardian. The guardian will get you. And
Speaker 3: and it turned out the guardian was duna Quar sasquatch.
Speaker 3: And so you stay at all those areas and welcome
Speaker 3: to well, you know, welcome to BC and have a
Speaker 3: good time. And that was about it. But that was
Speaker 3: my first introduction with sasquatch. And we learned more about it,
Speaker 3: but it really didn't stick with me, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. We're like, oh, that's kind of cool and stuff,
Speaker 3: but it really didn't bother us all that much. However,
Speaker 3: that was in nineteen seventy six, and so every now
Speaker 3: and then you would hear a few things, but we
Speaker 3: didn't take it serious. And I was like, Dad, well,
Speaker 3: was there sasquatch around here? Yeah? There is, but here
Speaker 3: you know, they won't mess with you. You don't mess with them.
Speaker 3: Don't worry about that. And we went about our business.
Speaker 3: And then in nineteen fast forward three years, so it's
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine, so I'm about fifteen years old, and
Speaker 3: beyond Jennis Bay there's a lake. It's called Who Asked Lake,
Speaker 3: and it's about thirteen miles long, and we were up
Speaker 3: working on the lake there. We do log selvage on
Speaker 3: the lake, and one afternoon my dad pulls into this
Speaker 3: little by and we're gonna have some lunch. He gets
Speaker 3: off the boat and a few moments later he comes
Speaker 3: running back all excited at everything. It says, you got
Speaker 3: to come over here. Look what we found. You know,
Speaker 3: look what I found. Look what I found. So me
Speaker 3: and the other guy we get off the boat and
Speaker 3: we walked along the beach there and there's a little
Speaker 3: sandy area where a stream had come down, kind of
Speaker 3: like a draw. It had a stream run down through
Speaker 3: it in a little sandy beach area, and we're like,
Speaker 3: he goes, come here, comm here, you got to look
Speaker 3: at this. And we get over there and he goes,
Speaker 3: he points down, he goes, look at that, and I'm
Speaker 3: like what. He goes, bigfoot? And what was in the
Speaker 3: little sandy area. There was, you know, some huge footprints.
Speaker 3: You could see where this thing had come down the hill.
Speaker 3: It walked around on the Sandy Beach area, and then
Speaker 3: it turned around and gone back up the side of
Speaker 3: this draw and I'm like, holy crap, and we're like
Speaker 3: looking at him. He goes, I told you a bigfoot.
Speaker 3: And I remember we measure the tracks. They were like
Speaker 3: sixteen or eighteen inches, but they were flipping huge, and
Speaker 3: it's like that it started to become real for me
Speaker 3: at that point. And then he's said, well, let's follow them.
Speaker 3: And so what we did is we followed them up
Speaker 3: the draw and you could see where the thing came
Speaker 3: down and then when it went back up the draw,
Speaker 3: which was on the edge of this little stream that
Speaker 3: came through there, and we're following up the hill and
Speaker 3: it's going boom, boom boom, and here are these huge,
Speaker 3: big tracks and then about I don't know, maybe seventy
Speaker 3: five yards up the hill, it plateaued for a little bit,
Speaker 3: and then there was a little little pool where the
Speaker 3: stream had come down and it was had pooled there.
Speaker 3: And when you got up to that little plateau and
Speaker 3: you could see where it stopped, and it had gotten down,
Speaker 3: we believe it got down on its knees, and there
Speaker 3: was two huge handprints like it had gotten down, you know,
Speaker 3: on its knees and put one hand down here, one
Speaker 3: down here, and we presume it got a drink of water.
Speaker 3: And it was like, holy smokes man, the hands were
Speaker 3: absolutely just huge. And then it kind of got up,
Speaker 3: or well, we're assuming it got up. And then we
Speaker 3: followed the tracks farther up the side of the hill,
Speaker 3: probably about another seventy five hundred yards, and they stopped
Speaker 3: at a rock cliff. We lost them. One of the
Speaker 3: things that was significant about this when we're going up
Speaker 3: the hill, when we're walking up that draw, about every
Speaker 3: so often there would be an about six or seven
Speaker 3: feet up on an alder tree. These green alder trees,
Speaker 3: they were broken over, twisted and broken over all to
Speaker 3: the left, all to the same side. As you're going
Speaker 3: up the hill, probably about you know, every twenty five
Speaker 3: thirty feet and I'm like, whatsk my dad? I said, well,
Speaker 3: detracts and all this stuff is crazy, but what is
Speaker 3: that all about? You could see a line of them
Speaker 3: going up the hill, and he said, that's how a
Speaker 3: sasquatch marks it's territory.
Speaker 2: And they're all going the same direction. I wonder what that's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, going the same direction, like a line, like a
Speaker 3: picket line going up the hill.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. I was thinking if they're all to the left,
Speaker 2: I wonder if that shines some sort of light on
Speaker 2: left handedness or right handedness of these animals, because studies
Speaker 2: have been done on other other ape species about that
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I always regret. You know, this
Speaker 3: was in nineteen seventy nine, so we didn't have cell phones.
Speaker 3: You know, we didn't have a movie camera with us.
Speaker 3: It was just something that we stumbled across. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: stumbled across on that. But man, if you know, I
Speaker 3: regret to that. You know, it's one of those things
Speaker 3: where if I would have had some plaster you know,
Speaker 3: even thought of these things like plaster casting, you know
Speaker 3: all of that. I mean, you had a perfect from
Speaker 3: yet we had hand prints, we had knee prints, we
Speaker 3: had you know, footprints, and we had this, you know,
Speaker 3: this the perfect line of tree breaks going all the
Speaker 3: way up this hill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fantastic. I find like that today would would
Speaker 2: just spread like wildfire through the Bigfoot community. That's something
Speaker 2: as important as that.
Speaker 3: Yeah it, dude, it was. And that made Bigfoot real
Speaker 3: for me. And after that I was nervous the whole
Speaker 3: time I was up there, you know. But what was
Speaker 3: significant about that as well is where we were. Where
Speaker 3: we were at on that lake was very close to
Speaker 3: the area where they said don't go.
Speaker 2: And did you put two and two together that time
Speaker 2: or is that just yeah, okay, No.
Speaker 3: Dude, I did because we were going and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, and I realized where we were, and
Speaker 3: then I became more conscious of this is real, Sasquatch
Speaker 3: is here. And there was something else that happened the
Speaker 3: following year, the following summer that even made things more
Speaker 3: true to me. The following summer, down on that east
Speaker 3: end of the lake, there was a logging crew and
Speaker 3: they would blog. They were logging this big area we
Speaker 3: are camp. Our blogging place was on the left end.
Speaker 3: They were all the way down on the east end. Well,
Speaker 3: their camp was actually even closer to the area where
Speaker 3: you're not supposed to go, but they weren't logging that area.
Speaker 3: They were logging an area that was just to the
Speaker 3: south of it, but they were very very close to it.
Speaker 3: They had to log camp there and they had about
Speaker 3: eighteen twenty people and stuff, and they were working and
Speaker 3: we would have some interactions with them. Well, there was
Speaker 3: a I that was working at that camp that my
Speaker 3: dad had known since, you know, since their youth, you know,
Speaker 3: since he was a teenager up there on the coast,
Speaker 3: and he was kind of an interesting guy and whatnot.
Speaker 3: But for some reason, and we don't know why, maybe
Speaker 3: just to be opportunistic or something like that. There was
Speaker 3: I guess during the time as well, there was a
Speaker 3: big market for like First Nations, you know, artifacts like
Speaker 3: old trinkets or old jewels or things of that nature
Speaker 3: or something like that, as I recall, something like that.
Speaker 3: But for some reason he felt motivated to actually trespass
Speaker 3: on that ground that you were supposed to stay away
Speaker 3: from in search of some trinkets or something that may
Speaker 3: have value. So we're back at Jenice Bay. We're back
Speaker 3: and it's like, I don't know, it's like one thirty,
Speaker 3: twelve thirty or whatever. And back in the day, you
Speaker 3: didn't have telephones up there. We're out in the middle
Speaker 3: of nov You got radiophones. That's what you got. You
Speaker 3: got radiophones. And it's you know, it's like I'm sleeping
Speaker 3: and everybody's in bed, and all of a sudden, the
Speaker 3: radio phone starts crackling and you hear, you know, calling
Speaker 3: out five mL seven eight, five months seven eight, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry,
Speaker 3: are you there? Pick up? Pick up? Pick up? Pick up,
Speaker 3: pick up. And this frantic guy, this guy just absolutely
Speaker 3: frantic on the radiophone. He says, Jerry, pick up. But
Speaker 3: you know, you know when you always have your radios
Speaker 3: on a case's an emergency, right, So it's like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: get you know, got to get up, and what's going on?
Speaker 3: What's going on? And then my dad gets on the
Speaker 3: radio phone and he goes, he goes, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: what's what's going on? Is that you is that? He goes, Jerry, Jerry,
Speaker 3: you gotta come and get us. You gotta come, help us,
Speaker 3: help us, you gotta come and get us. He's like, well,
Speaker 3: what's going on? And he's got you got to get
Speaker 3: up to the camp. You got to get us right away.
Speaker 3: And you can hear his wife in the background, the
Speaker 3: guy that's on the radio phone. You can hear his
Speaker 3: wife in the background screaming, and she goes, it's looking
Speaker 3: in the window. It's at the window. It's at the window,
Speaker 3: and they're just as absolute terror. He goes, you gotta
Speaker 3: come and get us. So my Dad's like, well, hold on, man,
Speaker 3: I'll get there. So my here it is Millanite. My
Speaker 3: dad's got to get up. He gets in the truck,
Speaker 3: he's got to drive five miles up this dirt. He's
Speaker 3: got to get in his boat and he has to
Speaker 3: go another ten miles down the lake to get him
Speaker 3: and my dad most fearless man I ever know. He
Speaker 3: did it. I mean he did it. And he goes
Speaker 3: down to goes down there in the middle of nite.
Speaker 3: He gets them at about I don't know, it was
Speaker 3: probably about three or four hours later, just before light.
Speaker 3: He comes back to the house and he has them
Speaker 3: there and I'm just watching these people and there's all
Speaker 3: this commotion. They're just crazy and they're screaming, and she
Speaker 3: goes it, what's gonna get is, what's gonna get is
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah, and he's like, he sits them
Speaker 3: down and he goes, I told you not to go there.
Speaker 3: You just you went there, didn't you. And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: I did. I had to go there. And he goes,
Speaker 3: what did you take? What did you take? And he goes,
Speaker 3: I just got a few things. I just got a
Speaker 3: few things. And he says, give me everything that you
Speaker 3: have and he gave the stuff to my dad, and
Speaker 3: my dad said, I'll be back later. And he left
Speaker 3: him there and he went all the way back up
Speaker 3: there and he put the stuff back. But when things
Speaker 3: calm down, and what had happened is he had trest.
Speaker 3: He went up into the area where he wasn't supposed
Speaker 3: to go. He absconded with some trinkets and whatever you
Speaker 3: know that were left in the you know, in the
Speaker 3: burial stuff up there.
Speaker 2: He had the little grave robbing and then yeah he did.
Speaker 3: But man, and what happened is he got back to
Speaker 3: the float camp and he the crew had gone into
Speaker 3: town and they would do that on the weekends. They'd
Speaker 3: gone to town, so it was just him and his
Speaker 3: wife once they got back. He got back, she didn't
Speaker 3: go with him. He got back and as soon as
Speaker 3: it started to get dark, they started hearing these how
Speaker 3: just howling, just wailing right, and it kept getting closer
Speaker 3: and closer, and theyoul get a little bits book and
Speaker 3: then it got it came down and then they heard
Speaker 3: pounding and thumping. It got on the floatouses. You know,
Speaker 3: floathhouses didn't live on land. You have the floatouse. You know,
Speaker 3: you make a platform, you build a house on right,
Speaker 3: float camps. And it got on there and it was
Speaker 3: hollern and beaten on the side of the cabin and
Speaker 3: it was just hair rising, a holy all out of them.
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Speaker 2: Did you ever go to this area where you're not
Speaker 2: supposed to go?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, because you're a young man, I mean, and that's
Speaker 2: that's if. I mean, I'd probably do it now, But
Speaker 2: as a young man, I would certainly go wherever I
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to go.
Speaker 3: I didn't because you know, I respect my elders, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, And it's like, dude, this is
Speaker 3: their land, it's not mine. I don't you know what
Speaker 3: We were kind of taught that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 3: you can go there on the water and you can look.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know what I'm saying. And I'm going
Speaker 3: to throw this out here today and somebody is going
Speaker 3: to be extremely upset, but I wanted to get some
Speaker 3: of this out here and on the ocean side of this,
Speaker 3: if you want to stand and look and face up
Speaker 3: at the area where all of this where of this
Speaker 3: succurt It's called Clayton Bay. It's right across you know,
Speaker 3: Hopetown Watson Island, and Watson Island is where Hopetown Indian
Speaker 3: village was, and today it's pretty much a bannon. When
Speaker 3: I was there, there's like three four hundred people there. Man,
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, a huge Indian village, but
Speaker 3: today there's just a lodge house there. But that area
Speaker 3: where this occurred, the saltwater side of it, would basically
Speaker 3: be what's called Clayton Bay, which is right across the
Speaker 3: little inlet there, and you can go there today, and
Speaker 3: people do go there today.
Speaker 2: I totally get like you're respecting the area and staying
Speaker 2: out of it and all that sort of stuff, But
Speaker 2: I would definitely want to look at it or get
Speaker 2: close to it to find out what kind of thing
Speaker 2: is guarding it. But I guess if everybody knew it
Speaker 2: was a sasquatch, maybe that was enough to keep people away.
Speaker 3: This area today. As recent as two thousand and eight,
Speaker 3: there people have had encounters with something when they've been
Speaker 3: in that bay that's closest to that mountain area where
Speaker 3: you're not supposed to go. There is something still there,
Speaker 3: and I have to share this story with you real quickly.
Speaker 3: Fast forward to twenty and seventeen. I'm up on Vancouver
Speaker 3: Island and I'm you know, and I've been coming up
Speaker 3: there for half a year, and people would, you know,
Speaker 3: people got work that I was on the island and
Speaker 3: I was doing this and who I was, and oh, yes,
Speaker 3: Jerry Major's kid, blah blah blah, he's up there looking
Speaker 3: for sasquatch. Right, And I kind of made my headquarters
Speaker 3: at as Campbell River, and so people would know I
Speaker 3: was at Campbell River and they would come down and
Speaker 3: they would, you know, they would want I was looking
Speaker 3: for people to tell me about recent and calendaries. You
Speaker 3: don't gather intelligence areas to go. So I'm at a
Speaker 3: hotel in Campbell River and this guy comes in and
Speaker 3: he says, man, I want to share something with you.
Speaker 3: And the guy is a was a He drove water taxi.
Speaker 3: And water tax you know, need to either go up there.
Speaker 3: There's no road, you get around by a boat or whatever.
Speaker 3: You can hire a water taxi. And his job was
Speaker 3: to run people back and forth by this particular area
Speaker 3: because there's always some log inn, fisheries or thing that
Speaker 3: are going on in area. Right. It was one fall
Speaker 3: and he dropped off a crew and he was coming
Speaker 3: back and he was tired, and he was like man,
Speaker 3: and the weather was bad because it can get pretty
Speaker 3: rough there. So he's like, I'm going to pull up.
Speaker 3: I'm going to pull in this little bay here, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to you know, I'm going to anchor offshore
Speaker 3: and kind of have a nap and let the weather
Speaker 3: pass right. So he pulls in there and he said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I just you know, I put down my anchor and
Speaker 3: I'm about, you know, how did you yards offshore maybe
Speaker 3: or you know, something like that, and I'm tired. So
Speaker 3: he lays down and he's he's just having his snooze,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, he said, for some reason,
Speaker 3: he just woke up. I mean, he just something made
Speaker 3: him wake up. And he sat up, and he's like,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, man, his hair stand on the
Speaker 3: back of his neck and whatever, and he's just, all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, he's extremely fearful, and he and he
Speaker 3: stood up and he looked out the windshield the front
Speaker 3: window of the boat standing on. Well. First of all,
Speaker 3: he said, the tide had gone out. Why he was
Speaker 3: there a little bit, and so he was closer to
Speaker 3: the beach than he wasn't. All of a sudden, half
Speaker 3: of the beach. He said, it's probably only about fifty
Speaker 3: yards of the beach and stay on the beach is
Speaker 3: this huge hairy, bipedal beast. He didn't say by petal,
Speaker 3: I mean said, dude was just like this huge, flipping
Speaker 3: hairy man and it's standing on the beach and it's
Speaker 3: looking at him, and it's pacing back and forth, and
Speaker 3: it's jumping up and down with his arms and it's
Speaker 3: going e it's just roaring at him, and it's like
Speaker 3: just like it's frustrated, and he's trying to figure out
Speaker 3: how it can get to his boat and it's gonna
Speaker 3: kill him, and it's just anyways, and and this guy,
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here and this guy is shaking man and
Speaker 3: he could just he's white telling me this story. So anyways,
Speaker 3: he's like this thing gonna he's gonna get out here,
Speaker 3: and he's closer and all this stuff. So what he did,
Speaker 3: he said, he started his boat and just gunned it
Speaker 3: backwards bom and he's dragging his anchor and he got
Speaker 3: far enough out into some deeper water to where he
Speaker 3: felt relatively comfortable that he reached over and he pulled
Speaker 3: in his anchor and he just hauled ass out of there.
Speaker 3: And he said behind him. He looked behind him, and
Speaker 3: that thing would just pay you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: like you see a crazy gorilla. When they would throw
Speaker 3: him blow get you. He could throw it around and
Speaker 3: then he had past it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That was yeah, December twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen, and
Speaker 3: that's in the same area, so it's still there. You know.
Speaker 2: That's something that I've seen over the years, is that
Speaker 2: places that once held sasquatches do still hold sasquatches if
Speaker 2: the area has not changed significantly. And I mean when
Speaker 2: I say change, what I really mean by that is
Speaker 2: essentially paving. As long as you don't pave in areas
Speaker 2: or develop it or to start, you know, build too
Speaker 2: many houses or something in the area, the sasquatches are
Speaker 2: still going to be there. And this is to an
Speaker 2: extreme example. I was talking to Moneymaker one time and
Speaker 2: he was telling me that he was running an expedition
Speaker 2: in Florida and they ran into sasquatches, And upon further
Speaker 2: investigation and research, they found that there were reports in
Speaker 2: that same area, literally in that same area from the
Speaker 2: late eighteen hundreds. So sasquatches hang out in the same area,
Speaker 2: and that's also something that the more modern data is
Speaker 2: yielding as well. One of our study areas at the
Speaker 2: north of big Foot Center, we are getting footprints, actually
Speaker 2: both two of our three of our areas, we're getting
Speaker 2: footprints and finding sign like within just a few miles
Speaker 2: and in some cases within just a few feet. Last
Speaker 2: August I cast a footprint, actually I cast a series
Speaker 2: of footprints down off the Clacamus River and uh and
Speaker 2: this past May I found footprints within five feet of
Speaker 2: where I cast them the previous August. So and certainly
Speaker 2: in a larger area, you know, I say a five
Speaker 2: or ten you know mile area, they're hanging out there,
Speaker 2: because if they're they're there once, that means there's resources there,
Speaker 2: and if that area doesn't change significantly, those resources are
Speaker 2: probably still going to be there years, if not decades later.
Speaker 3: Here's a question I have for you. I've got an
Speaker 3: area here unless I'm gonna use this for example there
Speaker 3: that I just spoke to you about it there now
Speaker 3: I can continually go back up there. But I don't
Speaker 3: feel like I'm yielding any result. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not. I'm kind of stumped after these
Speaker 3: all these years of running up there to this particular area.
Speaker 3: But I'm comfortable there because I know the area stuff
Speaker 3: like that. But we here, we have a particular area
Speaker 3: where historically, and like you have as well, what can
Speaker 3: I do, in your opinion, to take it to the
Speaker 3: next level to where we could actually get something more definitive.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, what have you been doing?
Speaker 3: Well, what I've been doing is I've been doing the
Speaker 3: same same thing. That about the only thing I know
Speaker 3: how to do. You go out to an area, you
Speaker 3: spend some time there. Well, you go up what I've
Speaker 3: been doing, identifying area where there's been ongoing and reoccurring sideings.
Speaker 3: And my thought was, well, I'm going to go in
Speaker 3: an area where there's that would yield me the highest
Speaker 3: likelihood of having an encounter with a sasquatch, and this
Speaker 3: particular area, you know, it's one of those areas where
Speaker 3: it seems that you've got something aggressive it's continually there,
Speaker 3: and have a confrontation that allows you to get the
Speaker 3: to get the definitive evidence that you need rather than
Speaker 3: just getting hair samples, DNA and casting tracks.
Speaker 2: I guess right, But have you been have you been
Speaker 2: casting Prince and getting DNA samples and winter or is
Speaker 2: that the next level you're trying to get to.
Speaker 3: No, my next level is I guess my next I've
Speaker 3: done that. I've done those things, but other people are
Speaker 3: doing those things. So I don't think that I need
Speaker 3: to do those things because I think, I guess what
Speaker 3: I'm beating around the bush. I guess what my point is.
Speaker 3: What I think is that we've reached a stage in
Speaker 3: the games here where we need a body.
Speaker 2: Yes, although are you aware of the DNA study that
Speaker 2: the new DNA study that's passed sponsored by University North Carolina.
Speaker 2: We had Darby or Cut on our podcast, I think
Speaker 2: just last week, and this seems to hold a great
Speaker 2: deal of hope for discovering the speed or recognizing the species.
Speaker 3: So no, no, actually I'm not I'll have to check
Speaker 3: that out. I'm not familiar with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a new DNA study that holds a lot
Speaker 2: of promise, whereas I never really did feel the other
Speaker 2: ones did. Once you know they're there at the beginning,
Speaker 2: we're all hopeful, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it seems like the other ones weren't quite what they
Speaker 2: were intended to be. But this one seems Legit seems
Speaker 2: to be on the up and up, and I'm putting
Speaker 2: my voice behind it as best I can and trying
Speaker 2: to gather samples.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: So our listeners, and also for you, Stephen, I feel
Speaker 2: free to go back at last week and you can
Speaker 2: take a listen, because I think this might actually be
Speaker 2: very promising. A body will be needed, sure, a body
Speaker 2: will be needed, but maybe, hopefully not, maybe this DNA
Speaker 2: thing can get it done. I don't strongly advocate for
Speaker 2: taking a body, even though I do know those are
Speaker 2: the rules. I didn't write them, but those are the
Speaker 2: rules for recognizing new species. It's just that I would
Speaker 2: be optimistic, perhaps one of these rare moments of optimism
Speaker 2: from Cliff, that that perhaps we can get this done
Speaker 2: without taking a specimen. I don't. I'm not sure that
Speaker 2: can happen, but if there's a chance, I'm willing to
Speaker 2: take it because I'm not going to show one. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm a danger to myself and others if I'm carrying
Speaker 2: around a huge Oh.
Speaker 3: I definitely wouldn't do that either. I wasn't advocating that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, But so hopefully, hopefully trace evidence something
Speaker 2: like body parts like hair or flesh samples or blood samples,
Speaker 2: that would get it done. I think at this point
Speaker 2: according to Darby or cut our guest last week and
Speaker 2: who's heading the study. So I don't know, I think
Speaker 2: that might be a good game changer. But how do
Speaker 2: you get those things? I guess is the next question?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because what my what what I want to do
Speaker 3: is I want to capture one.
Speaker 2: Capture How would how would you do that?
Speaker 3: I think I think it's possible. I think it's possible,
Speaker 3: given given if you can create a situation to where
Speaker 3: it exposes itself in such a way because you've enraged
Speaker 3: it so much that it's going to try to kill
Speaker 3: you and then it's going to get entrapped. Why, basically
Speaker 3: a person is bait. I think you could do it.
Speaker 2: What would you do to make it so mad?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. You know, but a
Speaker 3: lot of people in your listen, they're going to laugh
Speaker 3: at this. But you know where I'm at in the
Speaker 3: game right now is I'm going to capture one. My energy,
Speaker 3: My energy is going to be my energy, and resources
Speaker 3: is going is going into developing, creating, a few possibilities
Speaker 3: on capturing one. I think you could do it.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bogo will be right back after these messages. No, No,
Speaker 2: would capturing also entails, say tranquilizing one or something or
Speaker 2: because one of the things that people ask me is like,
Speaker 2: whoa why do not try to capture one? And I've
Speaker 2: thought about it. I've spent some time thinking about it,
Speaker 2: and like, how do you capture something that's twelve hundred
Speaker 2: pounds has a strength of fifteen or twenty men and
Speaker 2: not just weak men, because I have the strength of
Speaker 2: ten men, but they're very, very weak men, twenty like
Speaker 2: extordainately strong men, all wrapped into one horrifying package. That's
Speaker 2: pretty smart, you know, way smarter than bears, way smarter
Speaker 2: than bears. And a lot of bears are smarter than
Speaker 2: the dumbest of tourists. So like, how do you do that?
Speaker 2: Like what is I mean clearly not a spike pit
Speaker 2: or something like that, or and bear traps they don't
Speaker 2: work on this sort of thing.
Speaker 3: Other I've actually come I've actually been working with somebody
Speaker 3: and we've come up with a number of entrapment devices
Speaker 3: that just may possibly work. But you know what I
Speaker 3: was thinking, is okay, I described as scenario for you
Speaker 3: where that really occurred, where someone had trespassed, had taken
Speaker 3: something they shouldn't, it tracked them, it was enraged, and
Speaker 3: it came after them. They just didn't know how to
Speaker 3: react to it. So they called my dad to come
Speaker 3: save them. Now, let's say you could recreate recreate that
Speaker 3: kind of scenario, but without the sasquatch knowing that you're
Speaker 3: going to try to.
Speaker 2: Get them, So you'd have to It sounds like in
Speaker 2: this particular, like this specific scenario, you'd have to get
Speaker 2: like tribal permission.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, yes, Yeah, I mean that's a given. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a given.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that loan would be tough. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't want to the poop on your parade or anything.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just I'm thinking out loud with you.
Speaker 2: Think of me as troubleshooting, not shooting down your idea.
Speaker 3: By the way, No, and that's good because I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm throwing this stuff out because I'm frustrated with what
Speaker 3: I've been doing for the last five years. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying I don't really care. You know, it's time. Okay,
Speaker 3: how many more track castings do I personally want? You know?
Speaker 3: And I'm speaking for me because I'm not, you know,
Speaker 3: like I say, well, yeah, I do Bigfoot research, but
Speaker 3: really I don't. I mean, maybe I do, but really
Speaker 3: my whole goal is I'm hunting. I'm going you know,
Speaker 3: I'm hunting Sasqua. I'm hunting him. I want to catch
Speaker 3: up with him. I want to have a serious encounter
Speaker 3: with the guy. You know, I want to figure you
Speaker 3: know that. That's really what I'm after is chasing down
Speaker 3: interactions and encounters with Sasquatch. And that's why focus on
Speaker 3: the areas that I have, especially on the BC coast
Speaker 3: and going into Port Chatham, Alaska. Like Port Chatham, Alaska,
Speaker 3: the reason we went there is it was a high
Speaker 3: likelihood of a serious confrontation based on lower and legend
Speaker 3: and historical stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, you know, let's talk about por Chatham
Speaker 2: a little bit. So give us a little background in
Speaker 2: por Chatham for our listeners who may not know that
Speaker 2: much about it, and then tell us about your role
Speaker 2: in well in putting it back on the map, so.
Speaker 3: To speak, for those that may be unaware. Port Chatham, Alaska,
Speaker 3: is on the northern tip of the Keynye Peninsula, the
Speaker 3: end of the Keynye Peninsula catchmc Bay. It is very remote,
Speaker 3: but it's essentially forty five miles by boat down catch
Speaker 3: Mec Bay from Homer, Alaska. And it was in seventeen
Speaker 3: eighty six Nathaniel Port Locke's a British guy explorer. They
Speaker 3: found it a little like fur trading there or whatever,
Speaker 3: and then it grew into a fishing village, and then
Speaker 3: it grew into a cannary and had a huge cannery
Speaker 3: there that they had built. And so it went from
Speaker 3: fur trading to salmon processing, cannery stuff, and it ran
Speaker 3: up until essentially nineteen fifty. But over that time, starting
Speaker 3: in like the I think the first death occurred and
Speaker 3: recorded death occurred somewhere around, you know, between nineteen ten
Speaker 3: and nineteen twenty. But legend has it that they have
Speaker 3: a creature in the area there that's called the Nantaock,
Speaker 3: which is essentially their version of a sasquatch. That's not
Speaker 3: means like Harry Man or Harry Beast or something like that.
Speaker 3: While long in the short of it is that the
Speaker 3: town was eventually after a number of mysterious deaths, people
Speaker 3: being ripped apart, disappearing, finding body parts, you know stuff,
Speaker 3: people just getting ripped to shreds when they go out.
Speaker 3: That people were afraid, the natives were afraid, who were
Speaker 3: primarily the ones that worked in the cannery. So they
Speaker 3: completely closed the place and everybody abandoned it in nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty and no one ever went back. And it's probably
Speaker 3: the most horrific story related to, you know, a sasquatch
Speaker 3: type of deal ever, because there were so many factual,
Speaker 3: factual basis for it. There you can find reports that
Speaker 3: people were killed under my serious circumstances, people went missing.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of documentation. They even had information
Speaker 3: that was taken out of the cannery manager's log where
Speaker 3: you know, certain dates this appen and blah blah blah
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So anyway, so the town was essentially
Speaker 3: abandoned in nineteen fifty. People say the postmaster was the
Speaker 3: last guy to leave or whatever. But they abandoned the
Speaker 3: town and they moved moved out of there up a bit,
Speaker 3: and so the place was like bad menacing man. I mean,
Speaker 3: the story. People will talk about it for seventy years
Speaker 3: everybody's talking about the story about this evil place, and
Speaker 3: then people did shows about it and all that, but
Speaker 3: no one ever went out there. They were afraid. So
Speaker 3: I'm on Vancouver islandm lining my own business to my
Speaker 3: sasquatch stuff up there, you know, and I get an
Speaker 3: email from a guy and he says, hey, man, you
Speaker 3: ever hear the story of Port chattam Alaska. You ought
Speaker 3: to go check this out. And that was in two
Speaker 3: thousand and you know, beginning to twenty eighteen. And I
Speaker 3: was absolutely fascinated by the story, absolutely fascinated in the
Speaker 3: fact that no one had been there. So I started
Speaker 3: doing all this research and decided that, man, this sounds
Speaker 3: like the perfect place to go, a perfect place to
Speaker 3: go because you evidently have something there that chase people away.
Speaker 3: It's aggressive, the likelihood of having a serious encounter is
Speaker 3: off the chart. So I gotta go, gotta go. But
Speaker 3: it took me about you know, once I put the
Speaker 3: plan in motion, it took me about six seven months
Speaker 3: just to get permission to go in there.
Speaker 2: And why is that, like, what kind of like permission
Speaker 2: did you need?
Speaker 3: You don't I want? As soon as I found out
Speaker 3: that it was the land was owned by owned by
Speaker 3: one of the native tribes and set yeah. And secondly,
Speaker 3: it is a new Native historical site, which is another thing.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to make sure that, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not going on somebody's land without their permission and whatnot.
Speaker 3: And but dude, let me tell you, it took six
Speaker 3: months to figure out to finally get in contact with
Speaker 3: those people in authority that that would allow me to
Speaker 3: go out there. And here's an interesting fact about it too.
Speaker 3: Once people in the area that had relatives that had
Speaker 3: grown up in Port Chatham, Alaska, you know, before it
Speaker 3: was abandoned, there were some people that I think there's
Speaker 3: even might be a couple maybe that are still alive
Speaker 3: that actually were children there. But I started getting flooded
Speaker 3: with calls and emails from people saying, don't go there.
Speaker 3: You go there, you're going to die, It's cursed, it's
Speaker 3: an evil place. Stay away from there. And then I
Speaker 3: even got a few threats of my life if I
Speaker 3: did decide to go there. I mean, dude, it was
Speaker 3: terrible and it was like holy smokers, man, and it's
Speaker 3: like people were there just tear petrified. They didn't want
Speaker 3: anybody going there because they thought that it might rekindle
Speaker 3: the n ant TOOC. I mean, I got some weird
Speaker 3: phone calls and I got a lot of emails to
Speaker 3: that regard, but I also was able to talk with
Speaker 3: some people that gave me realistically, you know, what it
Speaker 3: was like and what's going there. So anyway, so we
Speaker 3: got permission to go in there, and that's where Adam
Speaker 3: Davis comes in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Adams of course a great friend of ours
Speaker 2: and hers being everybody, but he's also been on the
Speaker 2: podcast before. He and just love the guy. Loved the
Speaker 2: guy to bits, you know.
Speaker 3: So I wasn't going to go in there. I wasn't
Speaker 3: going to go in there by myself. So I'm said, okay,
Speaker 3: well now I got to start thinking about who I
Speaker 3: want to go with, right And you know, this was
Speaker 3: before things really started rolling. It was it was very fortuitous.
Speaker 3: I met Adam up up in Campbell River. It was
Speaker 3: kind of a weird. He just happened to be up there.
Speaker 3: He with somebody else that I knew, and he put
Speaker 3: us together and I said, hey, man, I said, this
Speaker 3: is all great and dandy here on Van, but let
Speaker 3: me tell you about port Lock, Alaska. Would you like to.
Speaker 2: Go yeah, I think Adam has ever said no to
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, I remember He's like, bloody hell, yes, you
Speaker 3: know that kind of thing. But then we could, you know,
Speaker 3: we put things together from there, and uh man, June.
Speaker 3: The June that following June, we went and we thought, well,
Speaker 3: we'll just flying too Homer. Man, we'll charter a boat
Speaker 3: and we'll go out there, right and well we get
Speaker 3: we get to Homer and it's like we're trying to
Speaker 3: find somebody to take us out there. No one wanted
Speaker 3: to take us out there.
Speaker 2: So everyone knew where it was, but no one was
Speaker 2: willing to do it.
Speaker 3: They were not willing to do it. And people said,
Speaker 3: if you go out there, you're gonna die. You don't
Speaker 3: want to go out there, and I don't want to
Speaker 3: go out there with you, and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh man, okay, well I guess that
Speaker 3: both things out. So then I start calling, you know,
Speaker 3: like helicopters and all these charter planes. Right, well, I
Speaker 3: guess we'll fly out there. We'll go with plan B.
Speaker 3: Nobody even wanted to fly us out there, and through
Speaker 3: some weird circumstances at the same hit the bar at
Speaker 3: the Salty Dog. Somebody over her is talking and we
Speaker 3: a gentleman says, well, I'll take you out there.
Speaker 2: It's like a movie or something like that.
Speaker 3: So seriously, because we were just, we were just and
Speaker 3: he was like he was a wild man. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll take you out there. So anyways, and so great.
Speaker 3: So we worked out a deal with him, and the
Speaker 3: next morning we got up early and drove us out
Speaker 3: to you know, took us out there, and man, it's
Speaker 3: forty two miles. I don't seen that long, but I'm
Speaker 3: both you know, it's like two hours.
Speaker 2: Oh that's forever on a boat. Yeah. Yeah, because if
Speaker 2: you're doing ten or fifteen knots per hour on the water,
Speaker 2: you're going pretty fast.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyways, and so man, we're just, you know,
Speaker 3: and we're nervous too. You don't get me wrong. I'm
Speaker 3: nervous too because we don't know what to expect. But
Speaker 3: dude went for us to go out there, to me
Speaker 3: in the Bigfoot research world or whatever I mean, for
Speaker 3: me or whatever I can under I kind of could
Speaker 3: relate to what those guys felt like. The first of
Speaker 3: paulm that landed on the Moon. I mean, to me,
Speaker 3: it was like that, because here we are, we're going
Speaker 3: to a place that just people have been so petrified
Speaker 3: to this place. No one's gone out here for seventy
Speaker 3: flipping years, you know, and all this, and here we are,
Speaker 3: and we're going to be the first, you know. And
Speaker 3: so anyway, so he takes us out, you know, we
Speaker 3: take that boat right out there, and I just remember
Speaker 3: it was in June, and it was near the winter
Speaker 3: summer solstice, and we the weather we got with just
Speaker 3: I mean, it was exquisite. It was beautiful. The trip
Speaker 3: was out there, and we pulled into this bay and
Speaker 3: we're just looking around and you're like, oh, okay, we're
Speaker 3: kind of orienting ourselves with us where okay we see
Speaker 3: and then you see the little building, you know, so
Speaker 3: you kind of figured out where we were at. We
Speaker 3: had a map and all that. But he takes us
Speaker 3: in there and it was, dude, it was absolutely gorgeous day.
Speaker 3: I just remember that, and the place was just full
Speaker 3: of sea otters, you know, big sea otters rolling around
Speaker 3: there long. And the short of it is the boat guy,
Speaker 3: we kind of orient ourselves where we're at the where
Speaker 3: the old town was, and we he did a little
Speaker 3: looking around there and then we're like, okay, where's he
Speaker 3: going to drop us off? Because basically gonna drop us
Speaker 3: he's going to come back and get us in three days.
Speaker 3: So we found a spit and he was happy to
Speaker 3: kick us off the boat and he said, hey, by
Speaker 3: the way, do you guys have a satellite phone? We
Speaker 3: said no, and he goes, what's wrong with you? And
Speaker 3: he gave us a satellite phone. He said every twelve hours,
Speaker 3: I want you to text me all is well? And
Speaker 3: then he boogeed and got out of there and it
Speaker 3: was just me and Adam and Jill Sier cameraman.
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, the cameraman. So that's something to note too,
Speaker 2: is that people can actually see this adventure for themselves
Speaker 2: because you produced a documentary out of it.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, that was the follow up one, but the
Speaker 3: recon was a three day thing. And I'm going I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm a little long here, but what I have to
Speaker 3: tell you is this. We didn't sleep the whole time.
Speaker 3: When I say that, literally we were scared. There was
Speaker 3: so much anxiety and we were scared and we were
Speaker 3: on edge, and so we didn't even sleep the first,
Speaker 3: you know, we would all and eight every couple hours.
Speaker 3: You know, someone could get a twenty minute nap. But
Speaker 3: we were constant on guard and we're very vision because
Speaker 3: we didn't know what to expect well.
Speaker 2: And also and I know that the place is clearly
Speaker 2: has some bad juju going on, you know, like there's
Speaker 2: there's some there's legends about this place that like this
Speaker 2: whole thing has been built up in your mind. But
Speaker 2: on top of that, there's a real possibility that there's
Speaker 2: a The sasquatches there have learned that they can chase
Speaker 2: people away and be terrible to them. But correct me
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. But there are brown bears there too, right.
Speaker 3: Dude, there are Let me tell you something I've never
Speaker 3: The highest concentration of black bears is on the Kenai
Speaker 3: Peninsula and in Alaska, right, and then there is those
Speaker 3: huge Kodiak brown bears. And when we were hiking around,
Speaker 3: when we were walking around the old town side of
Speaker 3: Port Chatham, Alaska, there was so much bear scat. I
Speaker 3: mean it was like you thought that there must have
Speaker 3: been a whole town of bear there. It's everywhere, and man,
Speaker 3: and then we stumbled across a brown bear track that
Speaker 3: was the hugest bear track I'd ever seen in my
Speaker 3: entire life. And we never ran into any of them.
Speaker 3: But I remember when we one morning when we went
Speaker 3: in there here, one of the piles was still steaming.
Speaker 3: It was huge. But there were bears everywhere.
Speaker 2: And you never saw one though you never saw one.
Speaker 3: Thank god. Well I did see one, not on this trip.
Speaker 2: To me, that's almost scarier because you knew that you were,
Speaker 2: you were there, you were in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: They were around, maybe not fifty of them, but there
Speaker 2: were a handful of these things around and you never
Speaker 2: saw one. To me, that's almost creepier.
Speaker 3: One of the things that we and you're bringing up
Speaker 3: a good point, and this is overlooked and even sometimes
Speaker 3: I forget about it. But we did note some interesting
Speaker 3: things when we were there. And one of the things
Speaker 3: that we noted was there seemed to be a division
Speaker 3: of land. There seemed to be a barrier between have
Speaker 3: like split the kind of spl it half of port
Speaker 3: locked Port Chatham, where the bears did not go like
Speaker 3: we're we're hiking around and we hiked originally we hiked
Speaker 3: like we did. Somebody had one of listenings where you
Speaker 3: keep tracted, but we did like eight point six miles.
Speaker 3: I mean seriously, we were covering some ground because we
Speaker 3: had a limited, limited part of time be there. But
Speaker 3: one of the things that we did notice is there
Speaker 3: there is an area that once you crossed this invisible barrier,
Speaker 3: there was zero bear sign. It's like the bears did
Speaker 3: not go there and which which was odd, but we
Speaker 3: know it was almost you know, we noticed it after
Speaker 3: a little bit because it's like, that's strange. Why is
Speaker 3: all this bear sign and bear tracks and bear poop
Speaker 3: and they're eating all the berries, But then you get
Speaker 3: over on this side and and there's no bearrier. I
Speaker 3: mean there's berries everywhere there. Bears haven't touched them. There's
Speaker 3: absolutely no We haven't come across any bears gat no
Speaker 3: bear tracks or anything that is odd.
Speaker 2: That is odd. Yeah, what did you what did you
Speaker 2: find on that side of the track, so to speak,
Speaker 2: like what did you find in the no bear zone
Speaker 2: that gave you some idea apps what what what that
Speaker 2: was all about?
Speaker 3: When we were in the no bearri zone. Okay, there
Speaker 3: was a couple of things that we noticed. One of
Speaker 3: them is the no bearrizone bordered the there's a lagoon,
Speaker 3: and this is a lagoon where allegedly they found body parts,
Speaker 3: you know, ripped up body parts that washed down in
Speaker 3: a slagoon. And the No Bear Zone was the area
Speaker 3: that bordered that lagoon. And secondly, when we were hiking
Speaker 3: around that area, first of all, we kind of got
Speaker 3: the feeling that something was watching us, you know how
Speaker 3: you get kind of get that feeling. But secondly, we
Speaker 3: kept hearing this a little running and stop running and
Speaker 3: stop running and stop.
Speaker 2: Foot foot like foot poundings or kind of.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And and it was up the ridge, you know,
Speaker 3: it was behind us, but as we moved in a circular,
Speaker 3: it stayed on the ridge kind of above us but
Speaker 3: arallel this and I never it was really think, you know,
Speaker 3: and so we don't know, but we kept hearing it,
Speaker 3: and there was something there. I don't know what it was,
Speaker 3: but there was something there.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages. I think I
Speaker 2: caught a little bit of one of these documentaries that
Speaker 2: you were in about this. And if I remember right,
Speaker 2: the ground is basically padded moss everywhere you look, so
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of opportunity for subs for tracks
Speaker 2: and good substrate.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, no, there isn't. There isn't. Subsequent to this,
Speaker 3: after we'd exhausted, Okay, because I've been there three times
Speaker 3: and I don't want to confuse, and a couple of trips,
Speaker 3: so I'm going to back up real quick. And then
Speaker 3: the trip that I did with Adam when we went
Speaker 3: in there. If you haven't seen the flur video that
Speaker 3: was captured during that trip, I highly recommend it. You
Speaker 3: can see it. It's available on episode two of the
Speaker 3: Alaska Triangle. We actually provided it to him.
Speaker 2: Oh I was on that show, actually, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right. You were not in that episode, of course,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I was on that. I was on that series.
Speaker 3: So yeah. And by the way, I have film of
Speaker 3: when that actually occurred and when, and I was looking
Speaker 3: at it the other day. Basically, what was caught on
Speaker 3: that flur was some Adam was doing, you know, some
Speaker 3: of his calling. You know what I'm saying, how he
Speaker 3: does that? Right, Because we were trying to it was
Speaker 3: getting to be our last night there, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's dark and everything and and whatnot, and and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden he started doing that. We thought we
Speaker 3: heard something coming from way up on this ridge. We
Speaker 3: thought we heard something. So it immediately I've got the
Speaker 3: flur and uh and and we're looking up there and
Speaker 3: we're handing the flair back and forth whatever, and I'm going, look,
Speaker 3: and I noticed something and that it's something came over
Speaker 3: the top of the ridge and started coming down, and
Speaker 3: I'm going, holy crap. And anyways, and so I gave it,
Speaker 3: you know, I said, Adam, take a look at this man,
Speaker 3: and you know, when he's got it and he's flirting
Speaker 3: up there and this thing, it was like, comes running
Speaker 3: over the top of hill. Appears that way came over
Speaker 3: the top of hill and started coming down the ridge.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, it appeared to be by Pete whatever.
Speaker 3: And anyways, it was, and Joe Siah's actually filming this
Speaker 3: as it's occurring, and here it is, and I, like
Speaker 3: I said, I was just looking at it, and you
Speaker 3: can actually see the fear in my face. And then
Speaker 3: I started telling him stop yelling, you know, stop doing
Speaker 3: your thing, stop doing your calling, because whatever it is,
Speaker 3: you've irritated it, you've agitated it, and I don't want
Speaker 3: it coming down any farther. Down that hill. So anyways,
Speaker 3: there's a good clip of that Flair video that they
Speaker 3: have on that show. When we did the first movie,
Speaker 3: when we came back in September eight of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: and we did actually shot the movie Search of the
Speaker 3: Port Chatham Harryman. During that trip, we did find some
Speaker 3: tracks and we but you know what I'm saying, We
Speaker 3: did find some really good impressions and we try to
Speaker 3: show them the best that we can in the film,
Speaker 3: but they weren't really anything that was was castable. But
Speaker 3: we did find those and when we were following those
Speaker 3: up into what I called the Valley of Death. You
Speaker 3: follow them up into this wooded area and it's and
Speaker 3: it's a valley, but it opens up into a really
Speaker 3: grassy metal once you get through the woods. We had
Speaker 3: identified the trackway and we started following it. We kind
Speaker 3: of spread out and we're going up there and I
Speaker 3: called the Valley of Death. I have to give names
Speaker 3: to everything, because you know, they said people would go
Speaker 3: up the valley and they would never come back. You know,
Speaker 3: that was part of the legend. But as you're going
Speaker 3: up the valley, there's this thing had it was they
Speaker 3: were very, very fresh because as it's going up through
Speaker 3: the hills, you know, you could see the fresh dirt
Speaker 3: where it's toes were grabbing, and we managed it was
Speaker 3: about fourteen inches and there was actually a couple imprints
Speaker 3: and where it stepped on a log, and then after
Speaker 3: that it would just started running up the hill right
Speaker 3: and you could see the stride and where the toes
Speaker 3: had dug into the dirt. And we were right behind
Speaker 3: this thing, and it was in the morning, and we're
Speaker 3: following up up that valley there, and we're kind of
Speaker 3: spread out in like a wedge formation. You know, Beans
Speaker 3: is up front, but he's to the right, and I'm
Speaker 3: on one side of this valley and We're coming up
Speaker 3: and as we're going up that trackway, I'm looking to forward,
Speaker 3: but out of the corner of my eye, something darts
Speaker 3: in between two trees. And it was just quick, and
Speaker 3: there was a gap of about twenty feet in between
Speaker 3: two trees, and something very tall and gray and lanky, lanky,
Speaker 3: due just darted between two trees and I just caught
Speaker 3: a profile of it. I immediately said, stopped, everybody. I said,
Speaker 3: holy bleep, bleep, bleep, I whatever, don't move, man. I
Speaker 3: just saw something dart between two trees, and I called
Speaker 3: there in the radio and they said, get over here, man,
Speaker 3: because I just saw something. We're on the trail of something.
Speaker 3: But here was the interesting thing. I'm like, what's it doing?
Speaker 3: What's a doing? And the valley that we were going into,
Speaker 3: Ashley was a dead end.
Speaker 2: Oh, some sort of box canyon sort of, Yes.
Speaker 3: It was a box canyon. And so we're moving forward.
Speaker 3: We're we're on the trail of whatever this thing is
Speaker 3: and we're moving forward and it turns out it's a
Speaker 3: box canyon, and I'm like, what's this thing going to do? Well?
Speaker 3: It had two choices. It was either we were going
Speaker 3: to run it into the rock. We're going to run
Speaker 3: it to the dead end and then or it's going
Speaker 3: to you know, so what it is. It made a
Speaker 3: break for it. We were pushing it up there that
Speaker 3: was running out of room, and so just that whatever
Speaker 3: it was decided to make a get around us. It
Speaker 3: was either that or he's going to come out on
Speaker 3: the beach. That was your only option. It's going to
Speaker 3: run dead end a We're going to chase you right
Speaker 3: out of the beach. And it made a break for
Speaker 3: it and just got around behind us. That that was it.
Speaker 3: And then for subsequently Beans Beans got some short but
Speaker 3: really good flour video. I recommend you check it out.
Speaker 3: He got some muffler So that that was that trip.
Speaker 3: That that was that was.
Speaker 2: Exciting, not bad not bad footprints, uh part of all
Speaker 2: but sure sighting you know, that's that's pretty cool, plus
Speaker 2: a little bit of flair video. Sounds like a super
Speaker 2: successful expedition and that and that was the part of
Speaker 2: this documentary in Search of the Port Chatham Harryman correct.
Speaker 2: So you can see all this. You can see this
Speaker 2: as a kind of.
Speaker 3: Is it's it's a long movie, but we try to
Speaker 3: cover it stuff. But there's a lot of people they
Speaker 3: they they're not watching the entire movie, but yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it's in there. And and check out the flour video.
Speaker 3: The clip of the flour video. We show the impressions
Speaker 3: there and some other things, but it's pretty good stuff.
Speaker 3: Intummation on the Port Chatham thing. Subsequent to this, you know,
Speaker 3: we came up and we redid the episode for the
Speaker 3: Travel Channel for you know, for their series. We came
Speaker 3: back a third time, so I've been in there three times.
Speaker 3: Who came back and we did that the following May,
Speaker 3: and that was me twenty nineteen. By that time, we
Speaker 3: had covered that area there pretty well. I mean pretty well,
Speaker 3: but we could never really stay more than you know,
Speaker 3: three four days at a time, right, one of the
Speaker 3: things that was significant. And I put this out and
Speaker 3: and I was really disappointed because when we were following
Speaker 3: those that track way up the Valley of Death, it
Speaker 3: was heading up to that bost canyon where it kind
Speaker 3: of ended and then it goes up eight hundred and
Speaker 3: forty feet and it's it's almost straight up. It's almost
Speaker 3: straight up, and there's a stream that runs down through there.
Speaker 3: But up on top of that is a lake. It's
Speaker 3: there's a lake up there, and I called the Lake
Speaker 3: of No Return because people would you know, that was
Speaker 3: one of the areas where people would go and not
Speaker 3: come back as well, because that's where the dull sheep were,
Speaker 3: you know, because it kind of has this ring around it.
Speaker 3: But we sent a drone up there. We sent a
Speaker 3: drone up there to scout and see what is up there.
Speaker 3: And when you get up there where plateaus, there's that
Speaker 3: lake there, and three quarters of it is just straight
Speaker 3: cliffs up and down and kind of like rock slights,
Speaker 3: and then it has a flat area like a bench.
Speaker 3: But what we spotted up there appeared to be could
Speaker 3: be potentially cave entrances in the cliff side up there.
Speaker 3: We never we were going to do a follow up trip.
Speaker 3: If I was ever to go back into Port Chatham, Alaska,
Speaker 3: that's all I would do is I'd go up there,
Speaker 3: and I would chopper and I would land up there
Speaker 3: and spend a few days right there and investigate that.
Speaker 3: And so we were finished in twenty nineteen. Then they
Speaker 3: came in and they did that show Alaska Killer Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: and they spent a month or whatever in Port Chatham,
Speaker 3: right and no one they didn't even bother to go
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 2: Some missed opportunity. Well that was their first time in there,
Speaker 2: of course, right, So, and they weren't building upon what
Speaker 2: you had done already. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they they got a lot of information, you know,
Speaker 3: from watching all the things that we did, and some
Speaker 3: of it they incorporated into their show to a degree,
Speaker 3: which is evident. But they never did follow through with that,
Speaker 3: which was a real disappointment. So the reason I'm putting
Speaker 3: this out is this, if anybody's gonna bother going back
Speaker 3: into Port Chatham, Alaska. Please complete the mission and go
Speaker 3: up there to that lake, because I think that's really
Speaker 3: the only area that wasn't covered that well, it wasn't
Speaker 3: covered no one ever went there. And secondly, that's probably
Speaker 3: a good opportunity to explore because of some of the
Speaker 3: historical stuff belt when people at the doll Sheep are
Speaker 3: up there. And secondly, there could be what appeared to
Speaker 3: be some cave entrances where something could live in a cave.
Speaker 2: Sounds like that's more than enough reason to go back
Speaker 2: and go check out that particular area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I encourage somebody to do it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Stephen, we have a I don't know
Speaker 2: if you can stick around a little bit longer. We
Speaker 2: do have a membership side of things. I'd like to
Speaker 2: speak to you more about this particular area, some of
Speaker 2: your other adventures, and even some of your personal sightings
Speaker 2: that I know you've had but we didn't mention for
Speaker 2: some reason in this podcast, we just didn't get to it.
Speaker 2: Could you have a little bit more time that you
Speaker 2: can spare for me today?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, okay, Well let's do this. Let's let's let's
Speaker 2: wrap up this episode of Bigfoot and beyond here with
Speaker 2: Cliff and usually Bobo, and then we can go and
Speaker 2: record for our members after this, if that's okay with you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so thank you so much Stephen for coming
Speaker 2: on the podcast. I've been trying to get you for
Speaker 2: a while because I knew you'd be a fantastic guest.
Speaker 2: You're so interesting, you have so many adventures under your belt,
Speaker 2: You're so enthusiastic about life in general, and it just
Speaker 2: comes through for everybody listening. This is Steven Major, and
Speaker 2: he has been on a ton of stuff. But we've
Speaker 2: been talking about In Search of the Port Chatham hary Man.
Speaker 2: Where can people see this or buy it or because
Speaker 2: people are going to want to put their eyes on this,
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 3: See In Search of the Port Chatham harry Man is
Speaker 3: available on our YouTube channel for free if you like commercials.
Speaker 2: And what is your YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: It's Extreme Expeditions Northwest LLC.
Speaker 2: And of course, by the way, Stephen said that you
Speaker 2: can see this for free on his YouTube channel and
Speaker 2: the link is in the shown so just go ahead
Speaker 2: and click that and I'll bring you right over there
Speaker 2: to the YouTube channel. You can check out all the
Speaker 2: things that Steven's up to Stephen, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Once again, I really sincerely appreciate you coming on and members,
Speaker 2: stay tuned. We'll be talking to Stephen on the members episode.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much everybody for tuning into and Beyond
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Speaker 2: hopefully next week. We'll see about that and in the meantime,
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