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Speaker 1: Live. This is pet Life Radio. Let's Talk Pets.

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Speaker 2: Hello, cat levers, Hello, my feline friends. Welcome to Kata tud.

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I'm your show host, Michelle Burn. So this is a

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great topic for all of us cat parents. Cat aggression.

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It happens. Even if you have the sweetest cat. It happens.

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Speaker 4: Let's Talk pets on Petlifradio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome doctor Lisa for Dosta.

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She is a veterinary behaviorist. Welcome to Catitude.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad to have you. So I'll call you

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doctor Leafs. How you said that was okay, So I

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appreciate that. Let's first define what is cat aggression because

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it can be misconstrued. And as I see it, there's

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cat agression between other cats, between cats and humans, between

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cats and maybe other pets in the house or pets

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around them. So how do you define, as your professional

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how do you define cat agression?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a great question because where I sit

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as a veterinary behavior so I'm a veterinary psychiatrist, and

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where let's say an applied animal behaviors would sit. This

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is a person with a PhD. Right, we're going to

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sit in the same place in that we're going to

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view aggression first as an ethological definition. That's going to

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be aggression is a distance increasing signal. Now there's going

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to be those We're getting a little science, ye, but

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we're going to move out of this in just a second, right,

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because it's good to understand the science before you actually

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try to apply these things to your cat. So the

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exception is going to be predatory aggression we call it,

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which is obviously not distant increasing. When your kiddie catches

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a lizard, they're not trying to increase the distance, right,

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So that's a different kind of category in and of itself.

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But other than that, we think of its distant increasing.

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Even that language can feel weird. What is it really

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is an ask for space? Okay, So it could be

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an ask for the other cat in the household to

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move out, right, Cat number one Fluffy needs cat number

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two ted to move out of the house. So Fluffy

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is aggressive to tent. Maybe Fluffy wants space from her

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pet parents because her pet parents keep petting her, which

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she really wants to sleep, So she's aggressive. So we're

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going to defy it that way. But the way I

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want to look at it, and I've kind of shifted

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the way I speak to pet parents about it because

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so many pet parents said to me, my cat gives

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me love bites and for almost well, I've been a

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veterinarian twenty five years. I've been a vet behavior is nineteen.

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So I keep saying, no, cats don't bite you when

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they love you. That is a crazy kind of love. Right, No,

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that is not what they're doing. But I never really

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was able to explain it to headparents in a way

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that I think they really understood it until I lived

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with a cat who bit me. And now I understand

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that aggression in many cases is a cry for help

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and in many cases is a form of communication because

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the cat doesn't have any other way in that moment

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in their mind to get their needs fulfill. Does that

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make sense?

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Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. And I'm glad you

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said that because I agree with you. I've heard people

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call it love bites or a little like smack or something,

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and I agree with you. I don't think there's such

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a thing as love bites. Not to go off on

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a tangent, but calts mouths have a lot of bacteria.

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are scratches. But I mean back to what we're talking about,

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that's definitely you know, yeah, they're sending a message. They

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don't talk. This is another reason why we need to

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never declaw our cats. That's how they tell you leave

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me alone. You don't want to antagonize them enough to

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get the scratched or the bite, but that happens. Sometimes

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they're not verbal. I mean, they me out for humans,

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but they're not going to tell you leave me alone,

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you're annoying me. Right now, they're gonna swipe exactly.

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Speaker 5: And there's oh my gosh, there's so many things she

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said that I just love so. Number one, the reason

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we don't want to declaw cats, Yes, we don't want

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to take away their communication defense backlist, but also, you

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know it hurts and cats who don't have their cloth.

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And I'm just not sure anybody's doing this anymore. So

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I don't know if this is gonna kind of fall

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on deaf ears because no one's doing these surgeries.

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Speaker 2: I hope they're not, but they're still doing it.

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Speaker 5: Oh holy cow.

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Speaker 2: Really there's a great show mention this. There's a great

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movie called American Cat, The Good, the Bad. The Cuddy

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Nala cat is in it. She's helped sponsor it. She's

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a famous cat. But there's still so much going on

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and people don't realize that. I think I know what

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you're going to say, decline cats. Not only is it

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very painful for them, but it actually makes them more

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aggressive and more likely to bite. And from what I know,

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biting is much more dangerous to us humans because there's

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so much bacteria in their teeth as compared to you know,

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a scratch one percent.

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Speaker 5: So there are several studies that have looked at decline.

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One study shows that the cats are not more likely

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to be aggressive, one study shows that they are. And

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there's a third study, and this is the study there's

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not a retrospective like asking the pet parent, is your

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pet declawed? Does your pet bite you? Those are good studies,

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but those aren't the highest level of studies. This last

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study is the one that probably is, you know, on

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the forefront of your mind, where radiographs were examined looking

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first a cat that are declawed to say how many

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of you have a fragment left? So imagine first of

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all that I'm going to take you toe off. That's

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what we're doing. We're taking off the edge of your toe.

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know how important those toes are. They are really important

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for balance and for movement. So a lot of those

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cats that should have had a clean cut to take

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off the edge of the toe did not, like a

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large over fifty percent did not. They had fragments left

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ouch that hurts. And also the cats who were declouded

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were more likely to be aggressive. But you know what,

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they were more likely to have back pain, they were

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more likely to peet and poop outside the box. So

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let's not do this. And it does apply to what

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we're talking about today because we don't want to hurt

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cats because when beings, including human beings, are hurting, we're

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more irritable, like of course we are. And also back

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to love bites. Here's the thing. Whenever I wonder this normal,

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like is this what cats should be doing, or dogs

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or whatever animal and treating? I think, okay, which you

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feral cats do? What is the wild state? Feral cats

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don't love bite each other. Now, they do bite when copulating, okay,

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but that's not love. That's copulation has a purpose and

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to make a bunch of kittens. Right, So if we

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just look at how cats who are BFFs treat each other,

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they groom each other, they sleep in a pile of cats,

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it's completely different than a bite that they give us.

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And like you say, anybody is dangerous, but it can

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become even more dangerous if you ignore that bite because

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the cat doesn't have a way to talk to you,

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so they might bite harder or do something worse, like

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on your pillow, not because they hate you, but because

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they don't know what else to do and they're freaked out. Right.

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But also some pet parents return that quote unquote love bite,

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which I'm just gonna call a light bite from here

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on out. They return that with a smack, and then

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the cat's like, oh, I see, I see what's happening.

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I try to talk to you and then you're mean.

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So obviously this relationship is not working. I can't trust you.

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so we got to pay attention to what the cats

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are telling us.

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Speaker 2: Is obvious for body language to get an idea, you know,

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how the cat's feeling and different things. But are their

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keys to looking at the cat's body language other than

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the obvious and realizing, oh, you know, this is a

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sign of aggression, even if it's like a maybe if

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it might be hidden.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know as well as I do. But

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pet parents probably don't know that. Cat pet parents and

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dog pet parents too are not very good at reading

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body language, even experienced ones, And so we want pet

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parents to look for the obvious signals. So I'm going

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to separate aggression out again. We're putting predatory aggression way

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over here to the right. We're not talking about that,

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the bird hunting aggression. Okay, we're talking about aggression towards

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pets in the household people, things like that. I'm going

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to separate them further into aggression that is intended to

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increase distance, that's asking for space. Right, So we're going

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to look for body language signals like pupils being dig

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or like an almond. If they're in a bright room,

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like the kind of rooms we have in our homes,

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typically in a moderately bright room or a dark room,

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we're expecting those pupils to be wider. Okay, that's natural,

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that's normal response to light within the body. Now, what

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if your cat's pupils are round or not almond shaped

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in a brightly colored room. Either your cat is blind,

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that might happen in the blind cat. But if your

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cat is sighted, what's happening is your cat's in fight

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flight freezer fidget. Your cat is really freaked out right now,

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and they are big prefrontal cortex. The part that tells

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them to not bite you is turning off. Okay, tail

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thumping ears. My friend calls them the devil horns, not

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because cats are double, but because I think it really

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helps people to understand when those ears partially turn back

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and they're pointed, or when they're flat against the head.

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a little bit off to the left or right or

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down or up. He's like, you're freaking me out right now.

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weight and turn away from you, he's sending you a

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signal I'd like you to not pet me anymore. I'd

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like you to give me a moment, right. So, we

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certainly want people to pause. But the kind of bites

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that are communication bites are a little different. I'll give

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you an example from my own kiddy. My kitty requires

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a lot of attention. He's a needy kitty and he

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likes to hunt a lot. He likes to play a lot.

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He likes to be on his CaTiO free cormly. And

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I'm the person who pushes the button for the toys

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and opens the door if I have the thoughts. So

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when I'm typing on my computer, I'm working, he first

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tries to sit and stare at me, so he's asking

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me for something, but I'm too busy. So then he

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will put his paw on my hand. Generally, I have

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a cute picture of me typing with this little black

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paw on my hand. If I do not pay attention

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to that, he gently bites my hand. So this is

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not a distance increasing. This is a I've tried to

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ask you three ways, could you just hit the button

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on my toy? Because I am not able to do

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that myself. And so what I want people to do

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Think about the cat needs something. Because once you drive

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him to bite, because you're the one driving the bus here,

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once you drive him the bite and you get up

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and press the toy, you have taught him that he

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really should go for the bite because that is what's

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most effective. And cats are very intelligent. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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It's kind of like people. You know, you ask somebody,

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they don't do it, then you yell at them, they

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don't do it. Then you go over and say you

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shake them, or you get their attention. Hey, I need

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you to do this. Probably this would happen more. I

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don't mean shake violently, but little shove. Hey, hello, wake up?

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Do this right? If you had like a child or something,

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you might do something like that. Talk first, talk louder,

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then go over and say hello and get their attention.

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You know, you don't bite people. But what about cats

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and aggression when they live with each other?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so again we're going to think, okay, wait, what

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if feral cats do well? I mean you know this.

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moms and aunts and sisters and daughters and all the

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girls live together. It sounds like an awesome way to

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live in my opinion. And the boys come in and

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out as they need to. They make some babies. They

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eat at the food bowl at the barn, like you

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know it's that kind of thing, but usually the usually

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it's always an exception. Usually the boys are not hanging

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out with girls, though not on a regular basis unless

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there's babies to make.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: So anyways, if you introduce an adult cat into a

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feral colony and that cat is rejected, we would say

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that is normal. And there's so much space outside. I'm

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not advocating for all the kiddies to live outside. We're

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just talking about what kitties got with outside. There's so

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much space that other cat can get away, right, And

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if you have a bar like I had a horse

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and we had barn cats, cats would come together. You

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could see they were all similar colors. They go, another

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colony would come. Okay, So what do you and I do?

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Let's just take me for example, because I think there's

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people out there like me. I only adopt adult black

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cats for the obvious reason because the most perfect cat

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who ever graced this earth was an adult black cat

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that I got from Animal care and control, and they

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will never be another one like him. But yet that's

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all we adopted my family ever since his passing.

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Speaker 2: So i've that you adopt black cats. My cat's one's tuxedo.

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even know. But there's a stigma against adopting black cats,

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especially black dogs, by black cats especially, So thank you

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for adopting black cat.

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Speaker 5: Like, oh my gosh, black cats are the best. They actually,

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you know, there is a gene connected to I'm going

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on a tangent. There's a gene associated with the black color,

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which also codes partially for a lovely personality. So black

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cats are the best. But anyway, so I continue to

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add black cats right, And that's not how they would

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live in the wild. They'd never live with strangers. So

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aggression toward each other is normal. If your cats are

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aggressive when they first meet, there's a really good chance

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that in a year, about a fifty percent chance that

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they're still going to be fighting. So what does that mean?

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We had better introduce cats the right way up front,

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because first impressions mean something. There's a reason why when

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you first meet your new in laws, you you know,

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make sure you're not a hot mess and you're not smelly,

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and you take a shower like you.

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Speaker 6: Want to look your best.

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Speaker 5: First impressions mean something, So we want to introduce them,

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you know, in a way that is low stress for everyone.

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I think one of the big problems I see is

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people just put cats in homes and expect everybody to share.

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And it's just the most absolutely absurd idea I've ever heard,

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because just to think about what that would feel like,

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plot me in a home with some other people. I

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have to share my plate with them. There's only one

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place for me to get a drink, we have to

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share the same cup, we have to sleep in the

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same bed because there's only one of those. I would

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really go crazy. That's an awful way for a person

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to live. And for kiddies, it's the same. Every kiddy

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needs a bowl, every kiddy needs a place to get water,

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every kiddy needs a litter box, and not necessarily on

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top of that other kitty's litter box or food or water.

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Everybody needs their own space. That's just a basic need

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in my mind. So if we do that, we'll reduce

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aggression tremendously.

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Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. Although two of my

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cats are sisters from different misters that still don't like

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each other. We're gonna take a your break and we'll

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be right back. Molly, here's your dinner, Sace that's not

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your food.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. We're talking to doctor Lisa Radosta. She

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is a veterinary behaviorist and we're talking about cat aggression,

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which we all have cats if we're listening to catch

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or want to have cats. So this is a topic

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near and dear to our heart. Let's talk about what

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us humans could do better to not set off aggressive

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behavior with our cats, because there could be things we're

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doing that we don't realize we're doing that. Yeah, pick

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off our cats, and you know we're past the love

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bites and everything, but what are some other things we

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do that cats just go you know, you're in their mind,

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They're like, you know, you're pissing me off? Statcha.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's three things that I can think of that

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I really want pet parents to know. Number One, everyone

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needs face and sometimes your cat doesn't want you to

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touch them, and that's okay. And I tell people, I

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ask my my pet parents who bring their cats to me,

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do you believe that you have the right to say

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no if someone tries to touch you? And one hundred percent

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of the time, one hundred percent, the person, male, woman,

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no matter who they are, they say, yes, I have

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the right to say no. And I say, gutn't your

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cat have the right? And they pause because we don't

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think that little cute, fuzzy creatures ever would not want

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us to pet them, right, but they have the right

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to say no. So number one, respect your cat's boundaries

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and look at the body language and make sure that

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you know your cat wants to be petted. At that time,

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when you're in doubt, pull your hand away. If your

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cat wants it, they will come back and bunt your hand.

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Number two, watch out for arousal aggression, because sometimes our

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cats get so wild, oh my god, you're petting me

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everywhere and I'm losing control, that they will kind of

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lose it a little bit. Right, So, if you see

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your cat's just quivering all over the place, not in

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a trembling, scared way, but in a wild way. The

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tail is straight up and it's twitching, and their back

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is twitching, just take a pause, take a stuff away,

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maybe toss a toy or turn on a motorized toy.

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Step away from that. And then number three, noise phobia.

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We have evidence in an uncopious study that we did

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at my practice and in one other study that we

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probably have about twenty five percent of cats who are

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noise phobic. I think it's probably more like fifty percent.

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If you turn on the smoothie machine and your cat

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hall butt into your closet, if you vacuum, your cat,

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you know, runs into the closet, storms in your neighborhood,

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your cat's under your bed. We are looking at a

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noise phobic cat. And when you go under that bed

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to pull your cat out because you have loving you're

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worried about your cat, your cat bites you, right, So

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that's a fearful or defensive type of aggression. Noise phobia

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is prominent. And I even had a cat who had

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feline idiopathics of stitis or you might see it referred

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to as feline lower urinary tract disease LOUTED, who was noisophobic.

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It was thunderstorm for me, to be specific. And when

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we treated that, we were able to get ahead of

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the immaturia, the blood in the urine that is a

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sign of looted or FIC. So this is a big deal.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing is cats they give you clues.

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You just have to really pay attention and don't akin

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them too which people do this all the time. They're

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different from each other my cat crew, Charlotte is very

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different from Mollie who's and Dennis is entirely different from

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both of them. He's part main coon. He's like, you know,

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a chill cat compared to the other two. I mean,

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they're so different, so I think you have to keep

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that in mind as well.

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Speaker 5: Know your cats yeah know your cat's and what I

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hear the tone that's running through your comments I feel

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like is also, don't make assumptions like don't assume that

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your cat is thinking this or that you know the

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be curious what is my cat thinking? Instead of I'm

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sure I know what my cat is thinking. Step back,

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take a picture or video of your cat. You've got

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a phone, and then look at that video and go, oh,

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I missed that part. I missed that dumbing tail, didn't.

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I like, what is my cat saying? Educate yourself. I

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have videos on my YouTube channel, which is just my name,

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Doctor Lisa Rodosta. I recommend often the batter sya website.

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There are lots of ways to learn about cat body language.

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And you, just like you said, you've got to be watching.

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You've got to be curious. You have to not think

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you no, and then you'll really see what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Lisa, how do you go about changing your cat's

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behavior or is it not so much changing their behavior

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but watching out for their what their behavior is going

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to be and changing your behavior?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's where you may need extra help. So

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if your cat has a pathologic problem, maybe that kitty

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is so scared that there's just no way they could

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fathom to not use aggression. In certain situations, you might

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eat a veterinary behaviorist. Your pet might need medicine or supplement.

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I see a lot of sick cats. I mean a

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lot of painful and sick cats. So whenever a cat

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comes to you with aggression, we work that kitty up,

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which may start with medication. So the kitty can have

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a vet visit that isn't terrifying for them. Right, So

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there's all of that, and that feels complicated, and going

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to the vet isn't fun, But my gosh, we cannot

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miss a painful kitty and label it as a behavior problem.

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And so in one study, which you may know about,

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let's see, there were four studies done looking for arthritis

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in cat's, four separate studies total of five hundred and

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ninety two cats. If we include all four studies. In

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these studies, they took cats who just went to the

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bat hospital for something. But it wasn't for laneness, it

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wasn't for pain. And if I combine all those studies

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and just give you a range, they found that twenty

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three to ninety five percent of the cats had arthritis

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on the X rays thirteen percent. Thirteen percent of the

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cat pet parents reported that their cat was lame ninety

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five versus thirteen Are you kidding me? We are missing it.

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There's a website for a product. I'm not paid by

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this company, but this is really the best website you'd

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learn about your cat and pain. It's the Salentsia website.

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It's a it's a drug made by Zoettas, So I'm

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not necessarily advocating or not for the drug. But go

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to the website and you'll click on the little parts

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like see if your cat is painful, whiz and then

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Hi buddy, And then you'll see a group of animated

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videos and maybe there's six videos and each one will

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be like healthy cat jumping, unhealthy, that's painful cat jumping.

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When you see that as a pet parent, I think

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you're going to be shocked because so many of my

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pet parents go, oh my gosh, that is the way

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my cat jumps up. That is the way my cat

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goes up and down the stairs. So we are missing

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pain and cats. And I'll give you one more study,

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because somehow we got on my big soapbox here painting cats.

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That there's a study that looked at our ability as

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veterinarians to find the signs of painting cats. So we

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look for pain. We look for the feeling in our

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hand as we're over the joint of crepitas friend genus,

473
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and we look for the feeling of a jointy and swollen.

474
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We call that a fusion, and we can get it

475
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right about a quarter of the time, about a quarter

476
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of the time because number one, that's have different skills

477
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in that area. But number two, when a cat growls

478
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that you were hisses at you in the vet's office,

479
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are they afraid? Are they hurting?

480
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Speaker 6: We don't know.

481
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Speaker 5: So if you, as a pet parent, look at those

482
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Silencia website videos and you believe your cat is painful,

483
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you are probably right. Take videos of your cat, bring

484
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the videos to the vet. If your vet dismisses you

485
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or pooh poos you, I would strongly advise that you

486
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have an honest conversation with that veterinarian and if they

487
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still will not X ray your cat, that you find

488
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a different veterinarian. Because we cannot tolerate kitties being painful

489
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and doing nothing about it.

490
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So what if you got your kitty taking care

491
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of your cat's fine, they're not acting out for pain.

492
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You need a cat behaviorist? Where should we look? Because

493
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there's all types. There's people that are certified. There's people

494
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that are veterinary behaviorists like yourself. There's people that are

495
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you know, just work a lot with cats and are not,

496
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you know, professionally certified, but they're good with cats. So

497
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where do you look? And how do you find someone

498
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to help you with your cat if you can't do it?

499
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So a veterinary behaviorist is going to work with

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some sort of professional behavior consultant or cat training professional.

501
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Most likely some may employ them in their practice, but

502
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most of us are going to refer. So that's a

503
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good way to get kind of a complete team. It's

504
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not one or the other, it's all of us on

505
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the same team, along with the primary care veterinarian. So

506
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if your cat is a serious aggression problem, find a

507
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veterinary behaviorist. You can find one at DACBB dotorg or

508
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you can go on my website and send me an

509
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email and I'll send you that website for you to

510
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find one near you. If you're looking for a cat

511
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behavior consultant, we're looking for someone who has some sort

512
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of certification, so we know that they have decided on

513
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their own, of their own accord to get that extra

514
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,680
bit of learning, and that we know that they are

515
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a part of a community where if your cat is

516
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a really hard problem, they can call on their community

517
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:04,200
for advice. We all need community because we're all going

518
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,640
to get stumped. We're looking for someone who has positive

519
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:15,599
reinforcement dedicated. So no training is purely positive, because even

520
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if you don't give your cat a treat, that could

521
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,319
be viewed as negative right by the cat. But what

522
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we can say is we don't want any sports bottles,

523
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,759
we don't want any shock mats, we don't want any

524
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loud noises. We don't want things thrown at kitties. We

525
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don't want kitties smacked, we don't want water thrown on them.

526
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Kitties don't have to be tormented to learn how to

527
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do something. They're quite intelligent, honestly. So we're looking for

528
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that kind of person. And sometimes when you go on socials,

529
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you're on YouTube, you know, maybe people have a lot

530
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of followers and they look really shiny and impressive, and

531
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at the end of the day, it comes down to

532
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or they skilled and just because they're famous, doesn't mean

533
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they're skilled. And will they yeah, yeah? And will they

534
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use positive reinforcement techniques with your kiddie? And if they

535
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:08,319
have to fall back on punishment techniques, that is a

536
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testament to their skill set. That's what that is. They're

537
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:14,240
telling you. I don't have a complete skill set, so

538
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:17,640
I resort to things that hurt kitties in order to

539
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try to teach them lessons. And we don't have to

540
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do that. We just don't.

541
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Speaker 2: No, Actually, I don't think you have to do that too. Cats.

542
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,279
I don't think some of us have. My dog's are

543
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:28,960
own dog. You haven't now, But you don't have to

544
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do that too. I think any animal. I know that

545
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there's some that believe in it, but I'm not a

546
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big fan.

547
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Speaker 5: Right, I always say to my clients that want to

548
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do that, I'm like, what if your kiddy was a

549
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,400
killer whale and you had to actually outthink them instead

550
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,079
of being physically adversarial, you would find a way. But

551
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,599
just because the cat's smaller than you, it's easy to

552
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,240
pick up a squirre bottle or smack his booty, but

553
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,200
if it could kill you, you wouldn't do that, right,

554
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,839
And so we're taking advantage inadvertently because these are usually

555
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,960
very loving pet parents, so inadvertently we're being led down

556
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a road. But we're taking advantage of someone smaller than us,

557
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,319
and that is not our style. We're not bullies by nature.

558
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We're kind and we love our iddies and it can

559
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be done a different way.

560
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Speaker 2: That's great advice. So where can people go to find

561
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out more information? I know you have a great website

562
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with a lot of great information for our listeners.

563
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 5: Thank you. Yeah, my website has some free resources and

564
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:31,680
I'm always adding to it and it's doctor Lisaredosta dot com.

565
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,039
I'm on socials at doctor Lisa Radosta. I don't do

566
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,799
TikTok oh goodness, but I do Facebook at Instagram and

567
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,960
YouTube and LinkedIn, and I recently did I would say,

568
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,960
three or four posts from a couple of weeks ago

569
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,799
on kitty stuff, but there's tons of posts from all

570
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:50,720
the years I've been on and so you know, hopefully

571
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we will get the word out there that people can

572
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:57,200
help aggressive cats and live with them without being bitten.

573
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Speaker 2: I hope we do. And I'm fortunate that I have

574
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:03,799
lots of listeners on Catitude, and you know, it's all

575
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,799
about spreading the word because there are so many myths

576
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:10,119
out there, and you know, cats are hard to read,

577
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:14,839
and there's just again, so many misconceptions. So is there

578
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,480
anything you wanted to add?

579
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 5: Just enjoy your cat today, learn something about your cat today.

580
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,319
Speaker 2: That's a great model. You should learn something about your

581
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:27,079
cat every day. I think that's definitely possible. They're bewitching,

582
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,000
there's so much to learn about them. Or mystical that's

583
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,640
a better word.

584
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, both of those things. I think there be witching

585
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,880
and mystical. I just think they're really interesting little creatures.

586
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:39,240
They really are that.

587
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,079
Speaker 2: They are very much so, Doctor Lisa, thank you so

588
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,000
much for coming on Catitude. I so appreciate all of

589
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:46,759
your information.

590
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: Thank you.

591
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Speaker 2: I hope you all enjoyed this show. Be sure to

592
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:55,960
check out doctor Lisa Fradosta dot com. That is doctor

593
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,200
Lisa's website. She has so much great information for you you.

594
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:03,720
The site is mobile as well as you know for

595
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:07,480
the desktop, like everything these days. Thanks to my listener,

596
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:10,880
thank you so much for listening to Ctitude all these years.

597
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,519
I so appreciate you your support of my show. Thank

598
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:18,000
you to my cat crew Dennis, Charlotte and Mollie guys,

599
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:20,640
keep me on your toes and keep me always learning

600
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,599
about cats. And the more I learn, the more I

601
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,880
can share with all of you listening, and the more

602
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,039
we can educate people. So thank you so much, and

603
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,400
especial thank you to my producer Mark Winter for working

604
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,279
is magic on every show of Catatude. Thank you, Mark,

605
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and hey, remember lose the attitude, have catitude.

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