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<v Speaker 1>It's time for Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven to nine day. Now here's Nick coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get right to it. Just forty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes swell, in fact, closer to forty minutes left before

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<v Speaker 2>we get out of here. There is a women's basketball

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<v Speaker 2>game coming up, and that means we got to go early.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's keep this thing on track and try to

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<v Speaker 2>get the most out of the time that we have left.

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<v Speaker 2>So we did start the show with some breaking news

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<v Speaker 2>from the afternoon that Carson Beck is getting enter the

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<v Speaker 2>transfer portal. One of the you to be one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best quarterbacks in the country, because you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>was at Georgia. They were really successful, but I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of feel like lately there's not been as much fanfare

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<v Speaker 2>for him, and you know, Georgia this year and even

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<v Speaker 2>last year took a step back than where they were. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Tough to maintain that winning two national championships in a row.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, somebody on the text line had mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't think they would take Carson Beck over

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<v Speaker 2>Miller Moss, and I thought to myself as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>I read that, Yeah, I don't know if I would either,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe that's ridiculous. Like I just Georgia is one

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<v Speaker 2>of those teams kind of like old school Nick Saban

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<v Speaker 2>Alabama teams where you don't really know how much their

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<v Speaker 2>success is based off the quarterback. Right. The quarterback's doing

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<v Speaker 2>it's doing his job. But like, I don't really think

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<v Speaker 2>Carson Beck was somebody that I feel and look, you

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<v Speaker 2>can be really loaded and be talented everywhere, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>obvious your quarterback is special. I never really felt like

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<v Speaker 2>that with him, But maybe I'm wrong. So Zack Barnett,

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<v Speaker 2>who's our college football expert, he covers college football for

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<v Speaker 2>FootballScoop dot com, he put this out earlier after the

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<v Speaker 2>news broke about Beck inering the portal, saying that he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't buy that Ohio State or Texas Tech are actually interested.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's because that's what being reported right now is

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<v Speaker 2>that it's those three schools, Miami, Texas Tech, and Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think what zachs insinuating is that yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is Miami, Like Miami is the one that

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<v Speaker 2>that is going to be the sucker here and pay

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<v Speaker 2>him uh that much money, because the report is that

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to make more than three million dollars, and

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<v Speaker 2>that would that would make sense as to why you

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<v Speaker 2>would say, yeah, uh, I'll come back to college for

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<v Speaker 2>another year to make three million because I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know about ever see anything close to that money if

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<v Speaker 2>if I go to the NFL right now. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's uh, that's where we are and uh in college

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<v Speaker 2>college sports right now. And and as I said at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the show, I still kind of think to

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<v Speaker 2>myself every now and then, like what what like because

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's not brand new, but in the grand

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<v Speaker 2>scheme of how how long we have followed college sports

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<v Speaker 2>and really how long college sports has existed, it's still

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<v Speaker 2>brand new in that in that regard. But yeah, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of a lot of money uh is uh is

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<v Speaker 2>being paid out to players and that's that's good for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, doesn't seem sustainable. It just kind of seems

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<v Speaker 2>like in any moment, like something's gonna happen. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what it would be, but like it just this

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a mess. But uh, you know, clearly done.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not done damage to the overall viewership and the

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<v Speaker 2>product because there's a lot of people that don't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of people complaining about it, coaches clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>fans obviously, but people are watching at a really, really

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<v Speaker 2>high level. I mean, even though these bowl games have

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<v Speaker 2>now turned into glorified exhibitions, as people call them, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think the random bowl games got even more sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>the random bowl games got even more random whenever they

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<v Speaker 2>added the twelve team playoff, because you know, when you

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<v Speaker 2>were in when there was just two bowl game, when

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<v Speaker 2>there was just two teams playing for the championship, that's

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<v Speaker 2>when those other bowl games you would you'd be able

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<v Speaker 2>to say, Okay, there's a there's a lot on the

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<v Speaker 2>line here, we could really get a big win here

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<v Speaker 2>in this bowl game because you know, only two teams

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<v Speaker 2>get to play for the championship. But you know, there'd

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<v Speaker 2>still be real value in those BCS games at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it went to four and you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>other bowl games, the New Year six as they called them,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't seem as relevant, but there was still some

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<v Speaker 2>value there. And then now with the twelve it just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of seems like any any of the bowl games

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<v Speaker 2>that's not included in the College Football Playoff, they just

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<v Speaker 2>don't really have the same significance, it seems. However, people

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<v Speaker 2>still watch them. Viewership for those kind of games is

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<v Speaker 2>still climbing, and therefore they're still going to happen because

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money's being made. So it's still weird

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<v Speaker 2>to me at times. But I don't know if there's

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<v Speaker 2>anything that could happen to where I would I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't know how to not care about college basketball

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<v Speaker 2>and college football. I mean, I just I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a huge part of my life, and and that

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<v Speaker 2>may make me seem like a sad individual because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any involvement and I just love it

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<v Speaker 2>and watch it. But you know, I'm fortunate to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to talk about it with what I do for

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<v Speaker 2>a living. But it's really just like a culture thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a lot of people around here that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe think I'm crazy, but there's also others that think, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, Like it's it's kind of part of

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<v Speaker 2>my DNA that I there's each day of my life,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's there's some time that I spend thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>my team and the upcoming season or the next game

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, just because it's it's something we get lost

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<v Speaker 2>in and that's what makes college sports special. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>Coffee company, that's us. We're special. I think we are.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nick Coffee Austin Montgomery alongside is is he just downed? So?

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<v Speaker 2>Dorito's are cheetos nice? That spicy nacho?

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<v Speaker 3>No regular? I do not like to gimmick up my

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<v Speaker 3>doritos a straight nacho cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. I'll tell you what. Dorito's. They're classic and they're great.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you ever noticed that the dorritos that are

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<v Speaker 2>not the original, like the nacho cheese or the cool ranch,

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<v Speaker 2>the texture is different, like the chip, like the chip,

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<v Speaker 2>like the the They had a buffalo wing one or

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<v Speaker 2>a hot buffalo blazing buffalo dorrito that and it was

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<v Speaker 2>it was good. I couldn't eat too much of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was good. But yet, like the it was

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<v Speaker 2>way more crunchy like it was just way more almost

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<v Speaker 2>like it was. It was like a cracker almost.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the spicy nacho ones are like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I yes, no, that's what I was gonna say. Like

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<v Speaker 2>the spicy nacho. Yeah, they're the flavor. I don't mind,

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<v Speaker 2>although I still think the original is the best. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's the texture of it where they taste kind of stale.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they have to do something different

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<v Speaker 2>because of whatever they're putting on them for that flavor.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, Dorito's a real classic.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, dude, I just got a big stroke of the

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<v Speaker 3>munchies right now. So during that last break, go to

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<v Speaker 3>the break room and it's not stocked. And I take

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<v Speaker 3>partial responsibility for that because I usually I usually like

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<v Speaker 3>to do that, but I know now that we have

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<v Speaker 3>actually hired a part timer to do that. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what she's been doing the last couple of days,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's there's nothing back there. So that's an issue

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<v Speaker 3>that the big issues. So there's nothing but like the

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<v Speaker 3>skinny pop popcorn, And honestly, who's keeping them in business?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes we are, and so but there is there is

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<v Speaker 3>I have a key. I have a lot of key

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<v Speaker 3>that goes to the actual closet.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got.

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<v Speaker 3>Is stored, yes, but you're just you're the plug. We're

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<v Speaker 3>running low. There's not a lot back there. There's not

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<v Speaker 3>a lot in the supply closet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the perks though, is they do give

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<v Speaker 2>us snacks and and and and usually the I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we've got this wasn't a thing before we came to

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<v Speaker 2>this studio, this office, and now each day for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part, there's a big spread of snacks and candy

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<v Speaker 2>and unlimited soft drinks at times, so we we certainly

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I almost went, almost went back to my scumbag ways.

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<v Speaker 3>As I open up the refrigerator, there's a half eaten

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<v Speaker 3>Jimmy john sandwich in there. Who just saats half a

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<v Speaker 3>Jimmy Johnson?

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<v Speaker 2>You you put me on the spot that day. I

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<v Speaker 2>felt bad because here I am talking about, like how

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<v Speaker 2>it's low key a real scumbag thing to do, to know,

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<v Speaker 2>to knowingly take somebody's food that they brought for lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>And because if you get caught, you can say, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the big deal? It's it's you can play victim. What's

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<v Speaker 2>the big deal? It's just a sandwich. I'll buy you

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<v Speaker 2>five sandwiches, chill out. But yet it's not. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>about that. It's about it's it's the principle. So here

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<v Speaker 2>I am talking about how those people are the worst,

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<v Speaker 2>and Austin's like, yeah, I've done that.

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<v Speaker 3>I just did that. I just took a got right.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a half eat yeah John sandwich. It I'm

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<v Speaker 3>pretty sure it belongs to someone important because I saw

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<v Speaker 3>them heating up probably the first half of it earlier,

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<v Speaker 3>and I got pretty excited. I'm like, all right, we

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<v Speaker 3>got catering.

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<v Speaker 2>Today and it was just one sandwich. John.

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<v Speaker 3>They just went into business for himself, So not wrong

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<v Speaker 3>with that, But I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Going at Jimmy John's in a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>If that sandwich is still there by the end of

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<v Speaker 3>tomorrow when we start our show tomorrow, it's mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I think, yeah, I think, I mean, somebody may

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<v Speaker 2>still be looking for it, but I think it's more

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<v Speaker 2>plausible that you would just assume that they're not coming

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<v Speaker 2>back for it. Yeah, after that time, So I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, it's coffee and Company again. Feel about Thornton's

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<v Speaker 2>heerroo on Sports Talk seven ninety. Let's go to the

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<v Speaker 2>text line. This text says, Nick, would you rather be

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<v Speaker 2>facing this pit team coming off of a win or

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<v Speaker 2>the blowout loss they just had to Duke. I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of feel like they're going to be ready to bounce back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think they'll be ready to bounce back

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<v Speaker 2>because I think they're good. They went to Duke, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, first of all, they're number one right now

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<v Speaker 2>in the kin palm, and I think everybody's aware the

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<v Speaker 2>they're clearly really good. Their two losses this year are

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<v Speaker 2>to Kansas and to Kentucky, two games they easily could

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<v Speaker 2>have won. The Kentucky game was down to the wire.

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<v Speaker 2>They lost by three to Kansas just a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks later. So there wins. I mean again, the win

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<v Speaker 2>against Arizona doesn't look as valuable now because they've kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fallen off. But they're the only team that's beat Auburn.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I guess they don't have that many great wins,

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<v Speaker 2>but like they're playing really good basketball. They've got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of talent, Cooper Cooper Flag starting to catch bodies

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<v Speaker 2>making posters out there. I mean, you guys saw that

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<v Speaker 2>Donkey had the other night on Pittsburgh. So despite pitt

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<v Speaker 2>getting blown out at Duke, I don't think any less

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<v Speaker 2>of them. So I don't really see it as much

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they were coming off a win against Duke, then

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<v Speaker 2>they would be a little you know, maybe they'd look

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<v Speaker 2>I just I kind of think that them coming off

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<v Speaker 2>the loss, yeah, they'll be ready to bounce back. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more so just because they are going

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe you're right. Maybe if they would have won,

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<v Speaker 2>them a little more vulnerable to lose on their home floor.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think they're gonna be ready to play regardless,

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<v Speaker 2>And I really can't. You know, there's nothing that backs

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<v Speaker 2>They're clearly a tournament team right now. But there's not

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<v Speaker 2>even really anybody on their team who who stands out

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<v Speaker 2>They've got uh, let me see who is their leading

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta look it up, because they they and that

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<v Speaker 2>speaks to Caple because I think they've actually lost in

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<v Speaker 2>the last two years, like they've lost. They've had some

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<v Speaker 2>really good players that they end up losing either to graduation,

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<v Speaker 2>at the NBA draft or maybe to the portal. But

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<v Speaker 2>it seemed like the last two years I've expected Pitt

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<v Speaker 2>Caple at Pitt. But they've been able to maintain, like

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<v Speaker 2>as Ish Leggott I think it is. I mean, his

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<v Speaker 2>last name is Leggett, but Ishmael is his name. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they just he goes by Ish. But he's their

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<v Speaker 2>leading scorer, averaging seventeen points, about six boards a game,

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<v Speaker 2>two and a half assists, and you know, he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>been there for This is his second season transferred from

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<v Speaker 2>five year guy who's scored in double figures seemingly every

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<v Speaker 2>season he's played college basketball. So you know, they have

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<v Speaker 2>some similar DNA to Louisville as far as just some

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<v Speaker 2>guys that have played a lot of a lot of ball.

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<v Speaker 2>also averaging about sixteen points a game. He's he's just

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<v Speaker 2>it Carrington? I can think of this above. Carrington was

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<v Speaker 2>up being a top twenty pick in the draft, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was. He wasn't a huge recruit, but he really

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<v Speaker 2>balled out out in one year for Capele, went to

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA. And then Jalen Lowe, who is again their

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<v Speaker 2>second leinning scorer at sixteen point seven points a game.

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<v Speaker 2>He's another guy who was in that same class. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Capele I thought his days were numbered. And

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<v Speaker 2>now again there's no real big accomplishment that's happened. They

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<v Speaker 2>haven't made some kind of deep run into the tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know he's putting good teams on the four

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<v Speaker 2>of these last couple of years. And I think, without question,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the toughest game Louisville has left on their schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't even really think it's close. Other games

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<v Speaker 2>that right now we can look at and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that one may be tough to win. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you could lose to anybody, but as far as like

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<v Speaker 2>games that I'm thinking, okay, you could play well there

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<v Speaker 2>and lose, because they're actually pretty good I mean again

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<v Speaker 2>Pitt on the road, and then after that, I mean Syracuse.

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<v Speaker 2>They stink Virginia. I mean they're falling apart, and you

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<v Speaker 2>play them at home coming up on the eighteenth. They

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<v Speaker 2>got killed last night by cal smu is probably the

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<v Speaker 2>second toughest game you have left, and it's at their place.

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<v Speaker 2>That's on January twenty. First, they're off to a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good start at eleven and four, although they've lost to

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<v Speaker 2>in a row, but Carolina and Duke with the teams

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<v Speaker 2>that they that they lost to, So you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is easily the toughest test left and with

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<v Speaker 2>that comes great value, right like a win at Pitt,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a quad one win that will not fade, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>there's no scenario pitons up outside the top seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>before the season ends. Now, what you got to worry

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<v Speaker 2>about is Clemson. Will they stay in the top thirty

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<v Speaker 2>of the net or will they you know, can they

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<v Speaker 2>get back in the top thirty of the net? Same

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<v Speaker 2>thing for Oklahoma and well that's a loss. But West Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>West Virginia's in the top fifty right now, which is

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<v Speaker 2>where they need to be because it's a neutral site game,

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<v Speaker 2>neutral site wins against top fifty teams, those count as

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<v Speaker 2>squad one victories. Indiana, they're now in the top fifty

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<v Speaker 2>after their win last night against USC so that's now

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<v Speaker 2>a quad wa win. So Loisvill's resume, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to just the pure number aspect of it,

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<v Speaker 2>it really is going to depend upon the two teams

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<v Speaker 2>they beat in the Bahamas. Can they maintain top fifty

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<v Speaker 2>stats that is, because if so, there's more value there

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<v Speaker 2>with those wins. And I've been to think that Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>and West Virginia will be able to do that because

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<v Speaker 2>they play in such good leagues that I think overvalue

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<v Speaker 2>those leagues, meaning the formulas I think overvalue those leagues. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana could be five hundred or a little bit better

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<v Speaker 2>in Big ten play and probably still be a top

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<v Speaker 2>fifty team because they're playing good teams every night based

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<v Speaker 2>off of these formulas. So, in fact, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>do this because there's an updated bracketology today from a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of actually two different updates from different folks that

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<v Speaker 2>I want to take a look at, because again I

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<v Speaker 2>think because of those two teams jumping up, that means

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<v Speaker 2>Louisville probably, you know, instead of being at ten, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they're in eight. That kind of stuff, which, again, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of basketball to be played before we get to

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<v Speaker 2>selection Sunday, and who knows, maybe Louisville falls apart. You

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<v Speaker 2>just don't know. But it's just nice to know that

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<v Speaker 2>you're alive and you're able to look at these silly

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<v Speaker 2>bracketology updates and know, hey, yeah, you're damn right, we're

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<v Speaker 2>in we're at this seed. Or that's because it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a long time since we've been there. Man, it has

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<v Speaker 2>all right, quick break, we'll come back on the other

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<v Speaker 2>side and talk a little bracketology, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>share my thoughts on what I heard earlier today on

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<v Speaker 2>KSR and what I've seen from some Kentucky fans on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's nothing controversial. It's not like I'm I'm ready

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<v Speaker 2>to tee off, but I kind of understand why they

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<v Speaker 2>would feel sorry for Caliperry, but I kind of am

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<v Speaker 2>more so surprised that they're not enjoying his failures at Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll talk about that and then we'll be out

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<v Speaker 2>of here, because we know a whole lot of time

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<v Speaker 2>Left's stick around right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, back to Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so the bracketology update here. This is from

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<v Speaker 2>Graham Dori in bracketology. He's a college basketball writer and

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<v Speaker 2>he's got his own podcast channel that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But he has Louisville Inn As a nine seed taken

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<v Speaker 2>on San Diego State and they're one seed. If this happened,

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<v Speaker 2>would be would be Alabama. However, it's in Lexington, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a basically a home game for Louisville

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<v Speaker 2>in those first two games. Of course, that's what ends

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<v Speaker 2>up happening. Kentucky's sitting at a three seed, and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess the loss to Georgia probably drop them down from

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<v Speaker 2>a two two a three, I would guess, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're clearly in and there's no way to know until

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<v Speaker 2>we get there, right. I mean, I'm gonna be so

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<v Speaker 2>fascinated to see how the SEC is judged by the

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<v Speaker 2>committee based off of losses, because there's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of losses, like teams are going to like I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't even Auburn right now is the best I think,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the best team in the country, and they they

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<v Speaker 2>they're clearly the favorite to win the SEC this year,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean if they're fifteen and five, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that that that probably would still be enough to win

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<v Speaker 2>it because I think everybody else, even though I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're good, they're going to play a lot of other

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<v Speaker 2>good teams and have and stack up some losses. So anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>the before we again, we're we're only have like twelve

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<v Speaker 2>minutes left. In fact, about ten minutes left, So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just going to try to get through as much as

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<v Speaker 2>possible before we run out of time. But this is

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<v Speaker 2>what happens when I know that we have limited time

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<v Speaker 2>and I realized there's like three things I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to balance it, and I just you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to talk about what was next and

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll see how much time we have left whenever

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, get through with it. But Kentucky clearly

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<v Speaker 2>at this point feels as if the move from Caliperry

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<v Speaker 2>to Mark Pope was perfect. I mean, maybe there are

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<v Speaker 2>some bands that miss Cal, maybe there are some bands

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<v Speaker 2>that don't think Pope is good enough to win titles there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but overall, I don't know how you

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't be thrilled with how well things are going with

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky thus far, and how poorly things are going for Cal.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's be real, that matters. I mean, I do

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<v Speaker 2>believe that there are some Well, put it this way,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe some when they say that they don't keep

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<v Speaker 2>up with Arkansas, they don't care one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not rooting for Cal, but they're not hoping that

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<v Speaker 2>he fails. And you know, I'm sure some of those

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<v Speaker 2>folks are genuine, but I know that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of emotion involved in being a fan, especially when you're

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<v Speaker 2>a diehard fan of a program like Kentucky basketball. That

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<v Speaker 2>means a lot to so many that look, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a breakup. You all were together and you split up,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a positive situation in regards to both

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<v Speaker 2>sides realizing, hey, we need an exit strategy. And the

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<v Speaker 2>exit strategy worked out well. Cal found a school that

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<v Speaker 2>was willing to pay him comparable money to what he

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<v Speaker 2>was making in Kentucky. He didn't have to take a

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<v Speaker 2>pay cut. He could start over at a good program,

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<v Speaker 2>and Kentucky could get rid of him and start fresh

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<v Speaker 2>and not have to pay him a dime of the buyout.

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<v Speaker 2>So it actually worked out well when it happened, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>the scenario, the situation, but it was a breakup still,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you want and to see what your

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<v Speaker 2>old booze up to is a total natural and normal thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And at this point it's still early, I guess in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the new relationship Cal in Arkansas, but he

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<v Speaker 2>looks like he's having the same Like he looks the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same but not as good. I mean like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's what's happened here. The only scenario I thought

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<v Speaker 2>were Caliperry would really thrive at Arkansas and make Kentucky

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<v Speaker 2>fans regret letting him walk, would be that if he

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<v Speaker 2>went there motivated, energized, ready to not reinvent himself, but

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<v Speaker 2>willing to adapt and make some adjustments and evolve into

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<v Speaker 2>what this new world of basketball is as far as

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<v Speaker 2>just how it's played and really how your roster's built.

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<v Speaker 2>That kind of stuff, like he's you know, him playing

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<v Speaker 2>that archaic style was one of the factors as to

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<v Speaker 2>not only were you know, upset by teams in the

416
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<v Speaker 2>tournament that you never thought you'd see. Saint Peter's in Oakland.

417
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<v Speaker 2>But like they also even in years where they were good,

418
00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:10.400
<v Speaker 2>they should have been better, Like they could have been better.

419
00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:12.039
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of teams can say that, but like

420
00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:15.839
<v Speaker 2>you got two guys last year that didn't you know,

421
00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:19.079
<v Speaker 2>that didn't didn't play a lot together. I mean, in fact,

422
00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:22.799
<v Speaker 2>the whole not playing the trio of Rob Dillingham, Reed

423
00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Shepherd and Antonio Reeves as many minutes together as you could.

424
00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:28.759
<v Speaker 2>It's just, I mean, it's it's insane. But that's Cal

425
00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:31.400
<v Speaker 2>being stubborn and wanted to do it his way. So

426
00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.599
<v Speaker 2>he's still doing those exact same things. But at Arkansas

427
00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:38.160
<v Speaker 2>it's it's like a mid version of it. Right, Arkansas

428
00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:40.759
<v Speaker 2>is a great program, but it's not Kentucky. Cal will

429
00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:43.400
<v Speaker 2>continue to recruit well, but not quite as good as

430
00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:46.720
<v Speaker 2>he did at Kentucky. He'll probably be able to get

431
00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:49.559
<v Speaker 2>good players in the portal, but probably not the type

432
00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:51.400
<v Speaker 2>of players he could have got in the portal at

433
00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:54.839
<v Speaker 2>a place like Kentucky. So he's the exact same and

434
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<v Speaker 2>yet his resources. You know, the vehicle that he's in

435
00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:00.240
<v Speaker 2>is not as nice as the one that he to

436
00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.119
<v Speaker 2>be driving, which was Kentucky. So you know, the scenario

437
00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:06.519
<v Speaker 2>where he did stick it to him, it's clearly not

438
00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:11.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen, So he's lost the breakup. It's already over,

439
00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:14.960
<v Speaker 2>like he's lost. Who knows if Kentucky And again like

440
00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:19.839
<v Speaker 2>if Mark Pope was really struggling, and you know, let's

441
00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:23.559
<v Speaker 2>say Kentucky was sitting here as a bubble team, right

442
00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and instead of eking out a close win against Duke

443
00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:31.359
<v Speaker 2>and Gonzaga, they lost those games. Instead of being twelve

444
00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and three, they'd beat ten and five, a much different situation.

445
00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:37.799
<v Speaker 2>So clearly fans would not be as pleased with Pope

446
00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.240
<v Speaker 2>if that was the case. But you know what, if

447
00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:42.640
<v Speaker 2>kl was doing what he's doing right now, because they

448
00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.319
<v Speaker 2>got blown out last night at home by Old Miss,

449
00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:48.200
<v Speaker 2>I guess it ended up being closer late, but Old

450
00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Miss led by double digits for the majority of the

451
00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:53.720
<v Speaker 2>second half, and then they got beat by thirty against

452
00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Tennessee the week before that. So right now, Kentucky's eleven

453
00:21:56.799 --> 00:21:58.720
<v Speaker 2>and four. They don't really have any wins to speak of,

454
00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:02.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know, they've gotten killed by some teams. Illinois

455
00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.440
<v Speaker 2>got him bad, so cal is not doing well. And

456
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<v Speaker 2>if Kentucky was in a you know, even if you

457
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<v Speaker 2>weren't as thrilled as you are about Pope right now.

458
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<v Speaker 2>As I just mentioned, if you looked at Arkansas and

459
00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:16.440
<v Speaker 2>realized cal was in this position, it would make you

460
00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:19.599
<v Speaker 2>probably maybe not feel any different about Pope himself, but

461
00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:22.359
<v Speaker 2>you'd probably feel a little more content about the situation.

462
00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:24.599
<v Speaker 2>And again, we'll never know, because this is not what

463
00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:27.359
<v Speaker 2>has played out, and I'm sure not everyone would feel

464
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<v Speaker 2>this way. But if Kentucky was if Kentucky was struggling,

465
00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:35.039
<v Speaker 2>and again, let's say they're let's say they're nine and

466
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<v Speaker 2>six or twelve or ten and five, and in Arkansas

467
00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:43.759
<v Speaker 2>was fourteen and one with maybe only one loss, and

468
00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:45.920
<v Speaker 2>it's to Tennessee and they look like a top five

469
00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:49.160
<v Speaker 2>team or something like that. You know, you wouldn't be

470
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:52.039
<v Speaker 2>wanting to fire Pope, I would imagine, and and you

471
00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:54.720
<v Speaker 2>know you wouldn't be losing your mind. But it would sting.

472
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<v Speaker 2>It would sting a lot for some, it'd sting a

473
00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:02.039
<v Speaker 2>little bit for others, maybe not any for a certain

474
00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:04.079
<v Speaker 2>amount of people, But like, that's just how this stuff works.

475
00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:08.799
<v Speaker 2>It's fascinating, Like Charlie Strong left Louisville for Texas, Texas,

476
00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:11.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's funny thinking back now, that we thought, like

477
00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.640
<v Speaker 2>we could keep him. It's Texas and Louisville was not

478
00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.279
<v Speaker 2>even Louisville they are now at that time. Clearly he

479
00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:19.359
<v Speaker 2>had a great thing going, but like it was Texas

480
00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and Charlie Strong like gave Louisville football life when they

481
00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:25.799
<v Speaker 2>needed more than anything. Without Charlie Strong in that era,

482
00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:28.759
<v Speaker 2>who knows where Louisville Athletics is right now, they're probably

483
00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:32.680
<v Speaker 2>not in the ACC. So we big picture, like we

484
00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:35.519
<v Speaker 2>owe Charlie Strong a big thank you. But you know what,

485
00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:37.440
<v Speaker 2>it was a breakup. He left us, he dumped us

486
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<v Speaker 2>for a new girl, and it was Texas. So to

487
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<v Speaker 2>this day there are still people that kind of have

488
00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.599
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a of an animosity towards him.

489
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<v Speaker 2>And it's a perfect example I think of like the

490
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:50.559
<v Speaker 2>emotion that comes with being a fan. He left you

491
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<v Speaker 2>for Texas, you know, like anybody would do that. I

492
00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:56.400
<v Speaker 2>think in that situation now he probably regrets it because

493
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<v Speaker 2>how it worked out, But like it's normal to have

494
00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:02.680
<v Speaker 2>those kind of feeling because again you're not dating, but

495
00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:06.920
<v Speaker 2>certainly there's there's there's it's there's a relationship. He's your

496
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.839
<v Speaker 2>coach and you want him to be loyal and not

497
00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:14.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, not move on from you. Cal you wanted,

498
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:18.519
<v Speaker 2>you wanted the separation, you got it, but like to

499
00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.319
<v Speaker 2>see that you know, he's he's struggling at least right now.

500
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I think most Kentucky fans probably you know, if anything,

501
00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:28.599
<v Speaker 2>they're not actually sad about it. And that's why I

502
00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:30.480
<v Speaker 2>brought this whole thing up because on KSR this morning,

503
00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:33.000
<v Speaker 2>some of those guys were talking about how and I

504
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<v Speaker 2>don't remember which one it was. It might have been

505
00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:36.440
<v Speaker 2>might have been mad who said he kind of feels

506
00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:39.119
<v Speaker 2>sorry for him a little bit. I think Shannon of

507
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:41.880
<v Speaker 2>course said no, not at all, and and I I

508
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.240
<v Speaker 2>wanted to to to think, I wanted to scream at

509
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:47.160
<v Speaker 2>him and say, why would you like how Cali Perry, Like,

510
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:49.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's a terrible person or anything like that.

511
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:51.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know him on a personal level. He's done

512
00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:53.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of great things in Kentucky for those that

513
00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:57.359
<v Speaker 2>go through the tornadoes and floods and all that. Like

514
00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:59.599
<v Speaker 2>I think he's I think he's probably not a bad person,

515
00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:02.039
<v Speaker 2>but but I don't know him at all. But he

516
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:06.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't treat Kentucky fans very good. So like that's what

517
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:09.200
<v Speaker 2>like I was angry for Kentucky fans for hearing that

518
00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:12.279
<v Speaker 2>they were potentially feeling sorry for him, because I'm thinking, like, no,

519
00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:15.799
<v Speaker 2>this guy was arrogant, He talked down to you, He

520
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.319
<v Speaker 2>didn't he thought he was bigger than the program, which

521
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:21.160
<v Speaker 2>of course nobody is because it's Kentucky. Like, I wouldn't

522
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:24.319
<v Speaker 2>have any sadness for him at all. And I gotta

523
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:27.559
<v Speaker 2>be honest, Maybe it makes me a mean sob, but

524
00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I'd be happy for his failure. I mean I think

525
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:34.799
<v Speaker 2>I would. But again, I didn't love him like you

526
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:36.559
<v Speaker 2>guys did. I always thought the guy was kind of,

527
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, a piece of work and not really a

528
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.599
<v Speaker 2>great coach and was able to, you know, maneuver his

529
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.680
<v Speaker 2>way through college basketball by just you know, being a

530
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:49.799
<v Speaker 2>great recruiter, which, hey, that counts. That matters. So when

531
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Rick Patino left, and to be fair, like Rick left

532
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.839
<v Speaker 2>us in an awful situation like Louisville basketball. Part of

533
00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.599
<v Speaker 2>why we've been in the situation that we've been in

534
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:01.640
<v Speaker 2>since he left because of him. It's his fault. I mean,

535
00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:06.440
<v Speaker 2>that's that's just the truth. But after it all ended,

536
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:11.079
<v Speaker 2>and you know, he Louisville had moved on and Louisville

537
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:13.359
<v Speaker 2>was in a bad Louisville was in bad shape, meaning

538
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:15.200
<v Speaker 2>things weren't going well. Towards the end of MAC and

539
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:17.200
<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff, there was no more. There

540
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:18.839
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a whole lot of anger. I heard from fans.

541
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:20.759
<v Speaker 2>It was like, man, he got a wrong he got

542
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 2>a raw deal. It's because when you are a big

543
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.039
<v Speaker 2>fan of somebody for so long, when they're the head

544
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>coach of your program that you love so much, I

545
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.680
<v Speaker 2>just think it's very unnatural as a human being almost

546
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:38.559
<v Speaker 2>to to just go from for so long loving somebody,

547
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:40.519
<v Speaker 2>not like you're in love with them, but because you

548
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:42.160
<v Speaker 2>don't know them at least that most of us don't

549
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.839
<v Speaker 2>know these coaches, but like to have a consistent, you know,

550
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:49.359
<v Speaker 2>decade plus connection with your coach because you think he's great,

551
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:51.680
<v Speaker 2>he's your guy, you're winning, you're successful, you think he

552
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.799
<v Speaker 2>represents your program well. To have all that and then

553
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.359
<v Speaker 2>he goes to another job for whatever reasons, Like, I

554
00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>just think it's unnatural to genuinely have the ability to

555
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.039
<v Speaker 2>flip the switch that effectively. I mean, it's kind of

556
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:05.599
<v Speaker 2>like not to get too deep here, but I'm sure

557
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:09.480
<v Speaker 2>there are there are people who are divorced that are

558
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.200
<v Speaker 2>in new relationships, maybe new marriages, and they knew that

559
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>they were not right for each other, and maybe they

560
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.920
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of issues over the years, but like

561
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:21.559
<v Speaker 2>they probably deep down, if they thought about it, would say, yeah,

562
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I love that person. I'm not in love with them,

563
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.440
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if I'll ever not love them

564
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:27.960
<v Speaker 2>because they were such a big part of my life

565
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:30.400
<v Speaker 2>for so long. It's not deep to that level because again,

566
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.440
<v Speaker 2>we don't even know these coaches. But I do think

567
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:35.960
<v Speaker 2>there are some similarities to how like I do believe,

568
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 2>at least to an extent, there are some Kentucky fans

569
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:42.680
<v Speaker 2>that see Cal falling on his face and their initial

570
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:44.960
<v Speaker 2>instinct is to be sad for him because he was

571
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.799
<v Speaker 2>their guy for so long. But you know now he's

572
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>not and you got a better guy. All right, We're

573
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<v Speaker 2>out of here. Talk to you tomor folks say saye
