Speaker 1: All right, rolling into the five o'clock hour, busy end
Speaker 1: of the show coming up. Brian Schmitzer is going to
Speaker 1: join us at five forty five. Monte Cohler, the legend
Speaker 1: the legendary coach of the Oday Fighting Irish who has
Speaker 1: already and Greg Bell reminded us this today that Greg
Speaker 1: was on the call with Chris Kidd in the state
Speaker 1: championship game in the Tacoma Dome where Monty Cohler tied
Speaker 1: Sid Aughten for the all time record that was right
Speaker 1: here on ninety three point three KJRFM. And he has
Speaker 1: one win away from breaking it. We'll talk to him
Speaker 1: coming up in the six o'clock hour. But Hugh, we
Speaker 1: had John Wilner on the last hour and I just
Speaker 1: I simply asked him, you know, obviously there are things,
Speaker 1: there are many things that need to be need to
Speaker 1: be changed by college about college football. It's so funny
Speaker 1: how the popularity of college football is just going through
Speaker 1: the roof. Eyeballs are there, butts are in seats, and
Speaker 1: yet we all realize there are things that are just
Speaker 1: epically broken in terms of the sport right now. But
Speaker 1: they're getting through it with still getting you know, millions
Speaker 1: and millions of eyeballs every single week. But I asked him,
Speaker 1: you know, what would have been his primary tenets of change?
Speaker 1: Where would he focus if he was the tzar of
Speaker 1: college football, or really the czar of all you know,
Speaker 1: we'll call it the the revenue sports in college athletics.
Speaker 1: How would he make changes and where he would make changes?
Speaker 1: And I'd love to talk about it with you right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wrote down a couple of things that
Speaker 1: that that just popped into mind. And you know, I
Speaker 1: have been so so against change in college football for
Speaker 1: so long. I mean, I was anti free transfer portal
Speaker 1: big time. I wasn't really anti NIL, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to see some structure in the NIL. I always wondered
Speaker 1: when this NIL came out, and Softy and I would
Speaker 1: wonder aloud, you know when this when this whole and
Speaker 1: I thing was coming down. We would sit here on
Speaker 1: the air and we'd go, what is preventing some dude
Speaker 1: at a car dealership from paying this high school senior
Speaker 1: a million and a half and guys at his NIL
Speaker 1: to come to school? And the rules are all, well,
Speaker 1: you can't do that with recruits, right, you can't use
Speaker 1: money to incite recruits to go to college, and we're
Speaker 1: just like, who's who, says, who's stopping it? Right, nobody's
Speaker 1: stopping it, And in fact, nobody has stopped it. It
Speaker 1: has just totally run amuck. So I'm willing to bend
Speaker 1: on the transfer portal, specifically if you're moving up or
Speaker 1: down a level. I think if you get misdiagnosed at
Speaker 1: a certain level, and hey, you're supposed to be a
Speaker 1: you know, a power two player, a big ten sec player,
Speaker 1: and you sign with you know, Indiana or Ohio State
Speaker 1: or Michigan or Washington and just you just not good
Speaker 1: enough to play at that level, I feel like you
Speaker 1: should be able to free transfer down same way as
Speaker 1: if you sign with Colorado State and you're a quarterback
Speaker 1: and you throw for four thousand yards and forty five
Speaker 1: touchdowns and you want to trans Michigan wants you, and
Speaker 1: you want to transfer to Michigan, I think you should
Speaker 1: be able to free transfer to Michigan. Would I would
Speaker 1: love to see the transfer portal get chopped down after
Speaker 1: that to the point where, yeah, you're starting to lose
Speaker 1: eligibility again. If your coach didn't leave, you sign with
Speaker 1: a program and you just kind of decide that I
Speaker 1: want to go someplace else, or somebody is offering me
Speaker 1: more money someplace else under the table, that's where I
Speaker 1: think the punishment should land. That would be my first
Speaker 1: and foremost change I would make. And then the second
Speaker 1: change I would make. Is this the nil deal you need? Does?
Speaker 1: It needs to be out in the open. It needs
Speaker 1: to be a contract that is signed that has a
Speaker 1: designated period of time. I have signed a two year
Speaker 1: contract with the Washington Huskies to be a linebacker, and
Speaker 1: I am being paid X amount of money of nil
Speaker 1: dollars which could increase over that period but will not decrease,
Speaker 1: Meaning I'm locked into a two year commitment. But Motlake
Speaker 1: Futures is also locked in to paying me X amount
Speaker 1: of dollars that it says on that sheet of paper,
Speaker 1: and it can't be less than next amount of dollars,
Speaker 1: but it could be more because I could go out
Speaker 1: and find more endorsements in the two years that I
Speaker 1: play with Washington. So let's start right there, and you
Speaker 1: can either comment on those hu or you can, you know,
Speaker 1: give me some of your own and we can discuss it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think for me, my interpretation is shaped by my
Speaker 3: experience and let me explain what I mean. Certainly, let
Speaker 3: me get out right in front. I'm not an attorney,
Speaker 3: do not have a lot of degree. I was a
Speaker 3: player rep for ten of my years in the NFL,
Speaker 3: which there's one rep per team you get voted by,
Speaker 3: and so I would represent my team various teams through
Speaker 3: all of the collective bargaining enterprises and efforts, right, And
Speaker 3: I was right there during the time when we were
Speaker 3: trying to get free agency part of the NFL, there
Speaker 3: had been what's called player indemnity where Joe Montana signs
Speaker 3: a contract with the forty nine ers. When his contract's up,
Speaker 3: he's still the property of the forty nine ers. He
Speaker 3: has no recourse. The only recourse he would have would
Speaker 3: be to hold out, say hey, you need me right.
Speaker 3: So that's not a lot of leverage by modern standards. Right,
Speaker 3: So we're trying to get free agency, and so in
Speaker 3: the process I had to acquaint myself with the anti
Speaker 3: trust laws. And this is before the internet. So I
Speaker 3: would go to local libraries in Orange County when I
Speaker 3: represented the RAMS, and by the way, I was flown
Speaker 3: back to Washington and had to stand on the witness
Speaker 3: stand and get peppered by NFL attorneys. And by the way,
Speaker 3: they're really good NFL's attorneys, right, especially when they have
Speaker 3: an army out of them coming at you, right, and.
Speaker 1: You're twenty three years old.
Speaker 3: But and then when I was in Atlanta, I went
Speaker 3: to Emory Law School, drove my ass to Emory Law School,
Speaker 3: just parked myself in the library and just pulled out
Speaker 3: anti trust books and and so this is kind of
Speaker 3: my layman's understandings for a long time. Well, to me,
Speaker 3: it was just like I need to be educated because
Speaker 3: I'm the liaison between my team and the union operation.
Speaker 3: And so I'm representing, you know, the Falcons or the Patriots,
Speaker 3: and and then I have to in turn go back
Speaker 3: and communicate to my team, you know, the the material
Speaker 3: aspects of what's happening with union matters, right, And particularly
Speaker 3: when you were going through the free agency, the effort
Speaker 3: to to have free agency was you know, it is
Speaker 3: important for me to be aware of this. So now
Speaker 3: as I and basically what you have that this is
Speaker 3: the simple I think every fan should understand this. There
Speaker 3: are certain aspects of the let's call the NFL, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to get to the college. Okay, because I'm gona,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about what I know more
Speaker 3: and then we'll apply it to the college. There are
Speaker 3: certain aspects of the NFL operation that are patently in
Speaker 3: violation of anti trust law. Take the NFL draft. The
Speaker 3: idea that you can just you can just say, hey,
Speaker 3: you're not going to have any freedom to negotiate your
Speaker 3: contract or where you want to live. We're just going
Speaker 3: to draft you and we're going to slot you. That
Speaker 3: is patently anti trust. Anti trust is specifically the German
Speaker 3: Anti Trust Act that's been around for over one hundred
Speaker 3: years guiding American businesses. It's you can think of an
Speaker 3: anti trust as anti competition that the anti trust laws
Speaker 3: are designed to to prevent prevent practices by businesses that
Speaker 3: are anti competition. They want to stimulate competition, right, okay,
Speaker 3: But within the anti trust laws, then you have the
Speaker 3: labor laws, specifically the Wagner Labor Act. The labor laws
Speaker 3: will supersede the anti trust laws.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: If you collectively bargain, you can take your rights. In essence,
Speaker 3: the players can say, hey, we've got these really cool
Speaker 3: rights with anti trust. We can hold this as leverage, Like, hey, owners,
Speaker 3: your freaking draft is so freaking illegal, right and and so,
Speaker 3: but we will agree to it. We will accede to
Speaker 3: your your draft provided you give us forty nine percent
Speaker 3: of the revenue and you know, wages, hours in terms
Speaker 3: of employment. Those are the things that you're discussing in
Speaker 3: collective bargaining agreement, which basically covers everything. Hey, we don't
Speaker 3: want to have long mini camps, we don't want to
Speaker 3: have contact and training, we want to have more pension,
Speaker 3: you know, contributions to pension. Give us all this stuff
Speaker 3: that we want, and we'll let you break the law,
Speaker 3: the anti trust right. And then the courts will not
Speaker 3: they will not find you guilty of anti trust violation
Speaker 3: because it was collectively bargained. And again remember this term
Speaker 3: that will labor laws supersede the anti trust laws. And
Speaker 3: so so we went that so so and then even
Speaker 3: we had to desertify as a union when we had
Speaker 3: an impasse to get to get the operation analyzed under
Speaker 3: anti trust law. Basically we're saying, hey guy, hey NFL,
Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna nail you an anti trust and
Speaker 3: you know you're gonna lose. And so that drives them
Speaker 3: to the bargaining and and that's where we had. You know,
Speaker 3: you end up having collective bargaining agreements now and with
Speaker 3: college understand this. The Supreme Court and the the n
Speaker 3: c A was fools. They lost in a lower court
Speaker 3: about education and related compensation. Just you know, Pewter plans
Speaker 3: for me sing nothing. Oh we're losing.
Speaker 1: We're losing. The use me, yeah, just for it, just
Speaker 1: for a second, just for a second, we might might act. Yep,
Speaker 1: yeah it sounds good. Now, yep, we're good.
Speaker 3: Okay, So let's now let's talk about college football Austin
Speaker 3: versus the NCAA. I believe it was twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: I might be off by a year. I think the
Speaker 3: summer twenty twenty one that the players we were suing
Speaker 3: the NCAA for restrictions on education related compensation. It was
Speaker 3: only education like computers or or musical instruments for music
Speaker 3: majors or you know, a few post graduate like It
Speaker 3: was insignificant, and the court sided with the players.
Speaker 1: Okay, it was.
Speaker 3: The NCAA then appealed it to the appellate court, not
Speaker 3: the players. The players didn't lose an appeal. The NCAA
Speaker 3: lost and then appealed, and so then the NCAA, when
Speaker 3: they lost in the appellate court, they said, well, let's
Speaker 3: take it to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: So they took it to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3: Awesome, and they got their ass handed to them nine
Speaker 3: to nothing. And in the process some very dormant legal
Speaker 3: matters about legal questions about hey, how would the Supreme
Speaker 3: Court view the amateur status of college football players? And
Speaker 3: this is going back to some TV issue this is
Speaker 3: Oklahoma and Georgia versus the NCAA, about that's the last
Speaker 3: time that Supreme Court had weighed in on the college
Speaker 3: football model, the amateur model. Because the NCAA is basically saying, hey,
Speaker 3: you fans, you will not go to a Husky You'll
Speaker 3: go to a Seahawk game and watch the Seahawks knowing
Speaker 3: that the quarterback is making thirty million, But you won't
Speaker 3: go to to a Husky game if you know that
Speaker 3: you're watching professionals down there. There has to be an
Speaker 3: amateur distinction. That was the NCAA's position. And so then
Speaker 3: the chess court you turn around and you say, well,
Speaker 3: what is the least restrictive system that you could have
Speaker 3: and still and and the business still thrives. So when
Speaker 3: the players were getting nothing, I mean these stipends, you
Speaker 3: can't even pay your bills. If the NCAA had just
Speaker 3: been a little less greedy, just give away, they were
Speaker 3: the ones that kept appealing, just educated, really just take
Speaker 3: the L, NCAA, take the L. They got lousy legal
Speaker 3: advice because they end up taking it up to the
Speaker 3: NCAA and losing, excuse me, the Supreme Court and losing
Speaker 3: nine to nothing. And this this is not a liberal court.
Speaker 3: This is a court that overturned row versus weight, Like
Speaker 3: this is really lousy legal advice that the NCAA had
Speaker 3: and they were too freaking greedy. And so now what
Speaker 3: how how did they interpret this one question?
Speaker 1: If they had done exactly what you said and just
Speaker 1: given a little where do you think.
Speaker 3: Still would have been ambiguity about where the laws lie
Speaker 3: on the amateur that Supreme Court would not have weighed
Speaker 3: in on the on the amateur argument that the NCAA
Speaker 3: is held for decades.
Speaker 1: So which is again and we wouldn't have an I
Speaker 1: L yet.
Speaker 3: Uh there there would be there, Yes, there would be Uh, well,
Speaker 3: I can't say exactly what would have happened. But the
Speaker 3: floodgates have opened up because the nc The I keep saying,
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court of the nca the Supreme Court, let
Speaker 3: me say it again. The Supreme Court. They looked at
Speaker 3: this and they weighed in on the model. They said,
Speaker 3: not only is it are you the NCAA, you member
Speaker 3: institutions of the NCAA. Not only are you exposed? Are
Speaker 3: you gonna lose this? This education compensation again just violence
Speaker 3: and computers deal. The entire compensation is patently anti trust,
Speaker 3: It is anti competition. It is horizontal price fixing. What
Speaker 3: is horizontal price fixing. Let's take Reggie Bush, a very
Speaker 3: famous athlete who got in a lot of trouble with
Speaker 3: the NCAA. When Reggie Bush was offered a scholarship by
Speaker 3: USC and his stipend was only called it, you know,
Speaker 3: because this LA was more expensive. We'll call it nineteen
Speaker 3: hundred bucks. And let's say down in Austin, you know,
Speaker 3: it was seventeen hundred, and then you go up to
Speaker 3: South Bend, Indiana and it's sixteen fifty. And you go
Speaker 3: to Athens, Georgia and it's eighteen fifty. Like it's basically
Speaker 3: that is horizontal price fixing. In the eyes of the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court, it is anti trust, is it is anti competition,
Speaker 3: and it's illegal. And the Supreme Court said, look, your
Speaker 3: model cannot supply a survived anti trust scrutiny. And so
Speaker 3: then say brought this upon themselves. They didn't have to
Speaker 3: have done that. And so the Supreme Court they call
Speaker 3: the players the labor. This is a multi billion dollar enterprise,
Speaker 3: and the players are not players, they are labor. And
Speaker 3: there's horizontal price fixing. When you tell Reggie Bush that
Speaker 3: his stipend is only going to be about two thousand
Speaker 3: dollars or less no matter where he goes, that is
Speaker 3: horizontal price fixing. And the analogy that the Supreme Court
Speaker 3: used was the fallowing. This is not a humilli in analogy.
Speaker 3: This is a Supreme Court they said. They compared the
Speaker 3: model the NCAA compensation model to it would be as
Speaker 3: if all of the restaurant owners in a community conspired
Speaker 3: to suppress the wages of the chefs and their defense
Speaker 3: and Anti Trust Court is the only reason the patrons
Speaker 3: go into these restaurants is because they know the chef's
Speaker 3: wages are being suppressed. They won't have interesting going to
Speaker 3: those restaurants if they think the chefs are getting fair
Speaker 3: market value. They only want to have interest in this
Speaker 3: restaurant if they know that those chefs are being hammered
Speaker 3: and be and and their rights are being violated in
Speaker 3: ani trust. So this is the this is the this
Speaker 3: is the foundation, This is the climate. This is the
Speaker 3: lens through which I see these things. So every time
Speaker 3: you when you asked John Wilner, if you were the czar,
Speaker 3: what would you do? The first thing I think is,
Speaker 3: whatever your plan is, all the things that think that
Speaker 3: we think are common sense, they have to survive anti
Speaker 3: trust scrutiny. Or you have to have a system where
Speaker 3: you have collective bargaining by the players so that they
Speaker 3: on the aggregate can now supersede the anti trust laws.
Speaker 3: And until we get that to sitting there talking about
Speaker 3: what should happen, he said, no, no, no, see it
Speaker 3: from the Supreme Court's view about competition, and if you're
Speaker 3: suppressing the right of an of adult American the labor,
Speaker 3: if you're suppressing his rights in any anti competitive way,
Speaker 3: you are running a foul of the anti trust laws
Speaker 3: and the and the Supreme Court has made that clear.
Speaker 1: So we'll see if my changes pass that sniff test
Speaker 1: of anti trust. In the next segment, I want to
Speaker 1: get your take as well before we talk to Brian
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Speaker 1: But you know, Hugh, listening to you educate us on
Speaker 1: the anti trust situation, I mean it seems to me
Speaker 1: like no matter how idyllic my selectutions are for fixing
Speaker 1: college football, nothing is going to be done without collective bargaining,
Speaker 1: meaning nothing's going to be done without a player's union, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, how can we have contracts for an NIAOL deal?
Speaker 1: How can I force Demon Williams to sign a three
Speaker 1: year contract with the University of Washington for fifteen million
Speaker 1: dollars if there's nothing to stop him from saying no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. There's no I mean,
Speaker 1: there has to be something has to be collectively bargained
Speaker 1: from the players, doesn't or is there a way that
Speaker 1: the NCAA can somewhat put the genie back in the
Speaker 1: bottle and repair just some of the damage that they
Speaker 1: have done over the last five years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think mostly the answers are either collective
Speaker 3: bargaining agreement or lobbying Congress. Get Congress involved to have
Speaker 3: some type of legislation that includes exemption from anti trust
Speaker 3: because right now that just just left to their own devices.
Speaker 3: The players, again, who are the labor, are going to
Speaker 3: have a lot of protection because the courts are very
Speaker 3: interested in stifling and preventing anti competitive prohibitions. So you know,
Speaker 3: you can just basically default if you think that that's
Speaker 3: likely to be anti competitive. It's likely that the court
Speaker 3: thinks that so my my reading and understanding. So what then,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll ask you the question that I asked John.
Speaker 3: I mean, what what principal tenants need to change in
Speaker 3: college football that you think are actually feasible to do
Speaker 3: in the in the short term, meaning the next few years. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: you'd like to see certainly some type of adherence to contracts,
Speaker 3: right that that if there's going to be an ni
Speaker 3: L world, and we've got we've got the house settlement
Speaker 3: that's coming up where the the players are going to
Speaker 3: be receiving portions of the revenue, right and and so
Speaker 3: you've you've got that, so players are going to be
Speaker 3: uh receiving that and but they will still be they
Speaker 3: will still be available to receive nil. And in that case,
Speaker 3: I would like to see that the contracts are adhere to, right, Like,
Speaker 3: if the player signs for a certain service, there's an
Speaker 3: understanding that he, you know, he's got to fulfill that
Speaker 3: end of the contract. Well, how about fulfilling.
Speaker 1: The end of the con the fulfilling what ni L
Speaker 1: was supposed to be in the first place, which was
Speaker 1: using your name, image and likeness to market yourself in
Speaker 1: order to make money. When the nil world has in
Speaker 1: a lot of cases has I'm sure in the NIL
Speaker 1: world works in some places too. I'm sure you know
Speaker 1: some Michael Pennix did some NIL things and did some
Speaker 1: great things in the community. That was that was under
Speaker 1: the guise of n I L where he was providing
Speaker 1: a service, he was actually doing something to earn his
Speaker 1: NIL money outside of just being the quarterback of the
Speaker 1: Washington Huskies. But it happened so many, so many places
Speaker 1: where you're just getting a paycheck for doing nothing other
Speaker 1: than being a star player on a football team. And
Speaker 1: how can we how can we turn how can we
Speaker 1: turn it back into NI L instead of just getting
Speaker 1: paid to play college?
Speaker 2: Can't?
Speaker 3: It's it's it is literally impossible, And I think that
Speaker 3: it was foreseen. The idea that NI E O NIO
Speaker 3: would not be used in recruiting is utterly unenforceable from
Speaker 3: any pragmatic sense there because if so, let's let's start
Speaker 3: with what you said, Okay, let's try and be let's
Speaker 3: let's have some maintenance of purity in this that the
Speaker 3: only people who are going to get n I L
Speaker 3: money are the people that are actually out on the
Speaker 3: field and producing. And then because they're producing, their naming,
Speaker 3: image and likeness will have value. And then and only
Speaker 3: then will they have an NIL deal. Well, if like
Speaker 3: right now Ohio State is let's go with twenty five
Speaker 3: million that's been reported. I don't know, it may increase,
Speaker 3: but let's just say they have and I twenty five
Speaker 3: million dollar nil. That is something that the players know.
Speaker 3: They know from a recruiting standpoint. They they know how
Speaker 3: my son, I got a son in the SEC that's
Speaker 3: getting a more NIL than is his his scholarships Titan
Speaker 3: and I sat there right across from the desk of
Speaker 3: the coach with my son, and so I've been an
Speaker 3: eyewitness to how this process works. It's impossible the lines
Speaker 3: of recruiting mean beforehand versus compensation afterhand. It's just nothing
Speaker 3: that can be enforced. And because you're always going to
Speaker 3: be recruiting, and the player, now that we have the
Speaker 3: NIL world, you're always you're always gonna have a recruiting
Speaker 3: check right, tell me when you disagree. And there's always
Speaker 3: going to be a knowledge that the recruits have of
Speaker 3: the general budget that the schools have in their collective right.
Speaker 3: Like if the Huskies, for example, they got Montague futures,
Speaker 3: so the recruits know what's available to them in monke futures.
Speaker 3: Maybe not down to the dollar, but they have a
Speaker 3: pretty good idea and they can compare that against what
Speaker 3: Indiana may have.
Speaker 2: Right, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it's I just kind of rule
Speaker 3: my eyes at the idea that NIL was never meant
Speaker 3: to h to be part of a recruitment and just
Speaker 3: say it sounds you know what it is. That is
Speaker 3: just platitudes, because when it comes down to actually implementing
Speaker 3: the system, no system can be drawn up to prevent
Speaker 3: recruit nil recruiting.
Speaker 1: As far as the transfer portal, are you in favor
Speaker 1: of just keeping it as is or it's just a
Speaker 1: complete open door all the time with multiple transfer windows
Speaker 1: each year.
Speaker 3: No, I don't like that. It doesn't seem fair. Again,
Speaker 3: I'm always running the filter through what what can pass
Speaker 3: anti trust scrutiny in the absence of any collective bargaining agreement.
Speaker 3: Certainly contracts can be written, but you know, things can
Speaker 3: you can be challenged.
Speaker 1: But no, I don't I don't like the.
Speaker 3: Idea that a player can can move four times. But
Speaker 3: the the end is you know, helpless or powerless. Yes, totally,
Speaker 3: And so you know, until there's some structure that is
Speaker 3: either collectively bargained or mandated from the legislative branch of government.
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. Do you think contracts nil
Speaker 1: contracts you might be able to marry those with the
Speaker 1: transfer portal in saying okay, we're going to give you
Speaker 1: athletes like like what I mentioned before, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to give you some security here, like a
Speaker 1: contract in football, right, and you can either choose to
Speaker 1: just you know, go day by day with your nil
Speaker 1: money and nothing is guaranteed past today. It could be
Speaker 1: pulled tomorrow. But you also have the right to transfer
Speaker 1: in the next transfer window if you wish, or we
Speaker 1: can offer you this you stay. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody from you know, a company that is giving millions
Speaker 1: of dollars to a school can come to a recruit
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we are willing to be we are
Speaker 1: willing to sponsor you quarterback guy, but we want to
Speaker 1: know you're staying in our city and you're playing for
Speaker 1: our football team. So we are willing to give you
Speaker 1: a three year contract worth X amount of dollars to
Speaker 1: be the quarterback of this football team. Now, if you
Speaker 1: lose your job, you lose your job, you still get
Speaker 1: the money, but we just want your commitment to the city.
Speaker 1: Is that something that would pass the sniff test and
Speaker 1: maybe encourage athletes to be like, Okay, maybe I should
Speaker 1: be tied down a little bit to a contract because
Speaker 1: this is a nice junk of money they're giving me
Speaker 1: for three years. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Perhaps, Again, I've tried to apply what I learned, you know,
Speaker 3: and and how that applied to the National Football League,
Speaker 3: and so I've learned basic tenants. I would say the
Speaker 3: concern that I would have about that model would be, Okay,
Speaker 3: what about coaches? There are coaches, and the Supreme Courts
Speaker 3: will compare the freedom that coach just have who move?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Or Junior Adams, the wide receiver coach for University of Washington.
Speaker 3: That dude had like four jobs in two years he
Speaker 3: had He was the the Appalachian State offense coordinated for
Speaker 3: two weeks. Right, I think it would be the whole
Speaker 3: thing if.
Speaker 1: We do it with the same way we do with coaches.
Speaker 1: You'd have a buyout. If a school is willing to
Speaker 1: give a kid a two million dollar buyout to his
Speaker 1: nil to that collective, that's how you would do it.
Speaker 3: That's how you do it if but I think that
Speaker 3: there may be some some consideration that the player window
Speaker 3: of opportunity is only four years.
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Speaker 1: about his draw with Portland and what's upcoming, and then
Speaker 1: Monty Kohler will join Hugh and myself at six o'clock
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Speaker 1: Dun Dun dunk dunk Dun duck dun Dna dun Dana
Speaker 1: dund dun dun dun dun d I love the fact
Speaker 1: they've kept this song. I mean they have this was
Speaker 1: I was like five and they had this song. You
Speaker 1: might have been negative years old. Actually, well it came out.
Speaker 1: What's what's beauty? There's many beautiful things about the Sounders.
Speaker 1: The one beautiful one, really particularly beautifuling for me is
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy four that's plastered all over their logo.
Speaker 1: That's the year I was born. So that's you were zero.
Speaker 1: I was zero. You were zero, Brian Smith. So coach
Speaker 1: of Seattle Sounders FC, joins us, how are you, Brian good?
Speaker 5: That is a snappy tune.
Speaker 1: You can sing along.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's it gets time.
Speaker 1: Is there no words to it? Brian?
Speaker 6: I never knew If there were words supposed to go
Speaker 6: to it.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but it was like da, I mean,
Speaker 5: you just made up words as you.
Speaker 1: Went along, exactly. Screw Portland, Screw Portland. Dun dun dun
Speaker 1: dun dun, something like that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh well, speaking of Portland, the draw against Portland. You know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about good draws before, We've talked about bad,
Speaker 1: ugly kiss your sister draws before. Where does this one
Speaker 1: hold last? Where does this one land on the continuum
Speaker 1: of draws here?
Speaker 2: Coach?
Speaker 5: Well, it's you know, it could be in between the
Speaker 5: two extremes that you just pointed out.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, we were.
Speaker 5: Disappointed in many ways because we felt we had a
Speaker 5: chance to win. I hate giving up soft goals, and
Speaker 5: I think the goal that we gave up. I mean, look,
Speaker 5: they're going to say it was a great goal, but
Speaker 5: there were some tactical things and I'm sure Jackson's gonna
Speaker 5: ask me about, but there's some tactical breakdowns on that clip.
Speaker 5: And you know it's our arch rival. So we had
Speaker 5: the lead and we couldn't hold on, and we had
Speaker 5: some chances and and score the second one, and you know,
Speaker 5: at the end of the game, they weren't doing much.
Speaker 5: I mean, they were just sitting back trying to defend.
Speaker 5: So in that sense, it was pretty good.
Speaker 6: Brian, It's funny. I did something that I never do.
Speaker 6: After the game was over. I went on to the
Speaker 6: Timbers feeds on the internet and saw what Timbers fans, why.
Speaker 1: Would you do that here?
Speaker 6: So you know, it's interesting because to your question, Dick,
Speaker 6: and to Brian your answer, I wanted to see what
Speaker 6: their perspective was because I was kind of like, I
Speaker 6: feel like Seattle was the better team throughout the ninety minutes,
Speaker 6: but sort of our Portland fans feeling lucky to get
Speaker 6: a point and a lot of them weren't. So it
Speaker 6: was interesting, right even though and we can talk about
Speaker 6: the tactical element of the goal that you gave up
Speaker 6: and that they scored, we said on the post game
Speaker 6: that I thought it was a great goal that they scored.
Speaker 6: But ultimately I think that a lot of Portland people
Speaker 6: are feeling a little bit lucky to come away with
Speaker 6: just a point.
Speaker 7: I would I would agree.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, I didn't go on the Portland chat boards.
Speaker 5: That would really be that I'm desperate for something. But
Speaker 5: there was some good half chances. Look statistically, I know,
Speaker 5: you know, we had thirteen shots to four, we had
Speaker 5: eight corner kicks, we won the duels battles.
Speaker 7: So there's a narrative there.
Speaker 5: Based on statistics that you know agrees with.
Speaker 7: Some of the fans from Portland might have thought.
Speaker 1: So a long road trip comes to an end one
Speaker 1: one and one when a loss of draw Houston, La Portland.
Speaker 1: If I if I had to ask you, and maybe
Speaker 1: we did, I don't remember if we asked you. If
Speaker 1: we asked you a couple of weeks ago before this,
Speaker 1: if you would have taken one, one and one on
Speaker 1: three games in a row on the road before coming home,
Speaker 1: would you have taken it?
Speaker 5: I would have, Dick. But what I wouldn't have liked,
Speaker 5: or as well, I still don't like it was just
Speaker 5: the way we play I mean sometimes that's more important
Speaker 5: for the mental health of the team. You know, that
Speaker 5: game midweek against LAFC ME and they took it to us,
Speaker 5: So that was a bit of a bummer there with
Speaker 5: the score line being four zero. And you know, you
Speaker 5: want to be competitive in every match, and I think
Speaker 5: we have been.
Speaker 7: Uh you know, maybe the other you know, bad result
Speaker 7: was the Cruise Azul.
Speaker 5: Match that we they took it to us. But you know,
Speaker 5: we want to be competitive in every match, home and away.
Speaker 5: And you know if you are, if you work and
Speaker 5: you you have a five hundred record on the road,
Speaker 5: and you win most of your home games or just
Speaker 5: over half of your home games, you'll be sitting good
Speaker 5: when the playoff pitcher arrives.
Speaker 6: Brian, I have no idea what you're talking about. Before nothing,
Speaker 6: I went to see the Men in Black after that game,
Speaker 6: so you got from in front of your eyes, gotcha
Speaker 6: a couple of items of business, Brian. Uh, you know,
Speaker 6: I did go on the Seattle message boards. One question
Speaker 6: that came up was Pedro de la Vega didn't start
Speaker 6: in Portland.
Speaker 1: No JP on the bench.
Speaker 6: Just making sure that they are still fully healthy, no
Speaker 6: knocks and are going to be good to go this week.
Speaker 5: They're totally fine. JP had played heavy minutes against the
Speaker 5: l AFC that he came down with some food poisoning,
Speaker 5: uh de la Vega. You know there's an injury risk.
Speaker 5: Last time he got injured, Remember he was playing on
Speaker 5: short rest. I played him like a Wednesday Saturday, and
Speaker 5: I wasn't going to make the same mistake twice. So
Speaker 5: they're both ready to go and they'll be available for
Speaker 5: selection for these next three games.
Speaker 1: So last week you said that Jackson O Reagan was
Speaker 1: a possibility for Dallas. Is he still a possibility for Dallas.
Speaker 5: He is going to go through full training this week, Dick,
Speaker 5: and if he makes it to full training then he'll
Speaker 5: be available as wrong.
Speaker 1: That is some great news, Brian.
Speaker 6: You got so many midfielders here and Brian Schmitzer joining
Speaker 6: US Seattle Sounders FC head coach, and so many midfields
Speaker 6: to choose from. Obviously, it's another busy week, three home
Speaker 6: games and nine days coming up, starting with Dallas on Saturday,
Speaker 6: and I'm wondering as you figure out how you put
Speaker 6: the first game of these nine together. In the midfield,
Speaker 6: specifically hayesus Ferra, you know, facing his former team in Dallas.
Speaker 6: But looking at the production he's given you and maybe
Speaker 6: not given you over the course. So this first third
Speaker 6: of the season, as you measure him again up against Pedro,
Speaker 6: up against you know, Ryan Kent and everybody else, you know,
Speaker 6: how does he factor into that ranking of who to
Speaker 6: start amongst those attacking midfielders.
Speaker 5: Oh, we're gonna have to wait and see for my
Speaker 5: life of choices on the weekend. But look, he's got
Speaker 5: a lot of assists. I think he's the leading assist
Speaker 5: getter on the team.
Speaker 7: He played well down in Portland.
Speaker 5: He kept the ball for us well, I mean we
Speaker 5: had we won the possession duel as well. I mean
Speaker 5: we had more possession than them. He helped us out
Speaker 5: of some jams. Pego's electric. You know, people like to
Speaker 5: watch him because he flies around and he shoots, and
Speaker 5: he does things that's not necessarily you know, that's not
Speaker 5: necessarily Hateseus's you know what his personality is like, he's
Speaker 5: a little quieter. Ryan Kent has come on and done
Speaker 5: a really good job as a sub and and everybody's all.
Speaker 7: Excited about him. But you know that game against Portland,
Speaker 7: he he he didn't quite have all his dribbling skills
Speaker 7: in the first half up to up to par So
Speaker 7: there's gonna be some tough choices to make for this
Speaker 7: first game, and then we'll kind of follow through with
Speaker 7: the last last two in the three game week.
Speaker 1: Did you like Jackson's sneaky thirty second way of basically
Speaker 1: just asking you who's starting on Saturday? Did you like
Speaker 1: that he was kind of weaving in and right well
Speaker 1: Saturday against Dallas. I was surprised to see Jackson told
Speaker 1: me pregame starts at eleven thirty in the morning. I
Speaker 1: was like, this must be a game in Texas. No,
Speaker 1: it's a game here, noon start. Do you like a
Speaker 1: noon start on the West Coast?
Speaker 5: I hate them?
Speaker 2: Actually?
Speaker 7: Why?
Speaker 5: I don't think our record in afternoon games is very
Speaker 5: good Jackson. That's something you can look up and we
Speaker 5: can discuss tomorrow. But I don't think our record at
Speaker 5: home isn't great when we have afternoon kickoffs.
Speaker 6: Brand just wrapping it up. Give us just a couple
Speaker 6: of seconds here on on Dallas. This team that you
Speaker 6: beat one nothing on the road facing on Saturday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Acosta their biggest player out due to suspension, but
Speaker 5: they'll be underdog the coach is going to get them
Speaker 5: fired up, and they won a little bit of a revenge.
Speaker 5: I mean, that was the thing that got us started
Speaker 5: on our little winning streak, and I'm sure they'd like
Speaker 5: to start one of their own as well.
Speaker 1: Go get them, Go get them. We'll be watching and
Speaker 1: listening on Saturday. Thanks coach, Thanks coaching.
Speaker 7: Okay, thanks Dick Cia Jackson.
Speaker 1: You bet Sounders against Dallas on Saturday. Head on out
Speaker 1: there to a loom and Field for that one. You
Speaker 1: can also listen right here. Jackson felt in the pregame
Speaker 1: at eleven thirty am. That is just weird at the Sounders.
Speaker 1: A brunch with the Sounders. Indeed, on Saturday. We'll get
Speaker 1: back to Hugh when we come back at the top
Speaker 1: of the hour headlines and the winningest coach now tied
Speaker 1: for the winningest coach in State of Washington high school
Speaker 1: football history, Monty Kohler, is going to join us. Coming
Speaker 1: up the next segment of ninety three point three KJRFM.
Speaker 1: All right, rolling into the six o'clock hour, Hugh Reed
Speaker 1: joins us Jackson when our next guest coached his first
Speaker 1: game for the Oday Fighting Irish, I'm going to give
Speaker 1: you one guess and you'll be able to answer this question. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you one. Guess who just came off
Speaker 1: an Orange Bowl championship as the quarterback of the Washington Huskies.
Speaker 1: Was it mister Breedlove? You was mister Breedlove? And that
Speaker 1: is that is how long Money cole Because hughes like
Speaker 1: ninety now so so an impressive run by Money Cohler,
Speaker 1: the head coach of the ODAI Fighting Irish and now
Speaker 1: tied for the winningest coach in high school football history. Coach,
Speaker 1: it's good to talk to I haven't talked to you
Speaker 1: since the Varsity Football Live days. How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Thank you. Yeah, it's still out of
Speaker 2: still enjoying every day of it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about what happened this weekend. There
Speaker 1: was a really cool event at the vMac, kind of
Speaker 1: a two part special event. I was a notified by
Speaker 1: the Washington State Football Coaches Association. You guys were doing this.
Speaker 1: You had a Hall of Fame induction ceremony for Tony
Speaker 1: Davis of Tahoma, Randy Afalter from Kennewick, Rocky Patching from
Speaker 1: North Thurston, and then you also had this new new
Speaker 1: and aspiring head coach mentorship program. So I'd love to
Speaker 1: just get your take on what it was like this
Speaker 1: weekend at that great event.
Speaker 8: It was awesome. I mean it was one of the
Speaker 8: better things we've done in a while. Obviously, the Hall
Speaker 8: of Fame thing is great. Those are great guys and
Speaker 8: deserving and you know, and then just to have it
Speaker 8: at the Seahawks facility, you know, is really special. And
Speaker 8: so you know, shout out to the Seahawks, Kyle Doherty
Speaker 8: and Mario Bailey for allowing high school coaches to put
Speaker 8: this on there, and and then the support that they
Speaker 8: gave us, you know, funding a lot of the stuff
Speaker 8: to make the little lunching and that the ceremony happened,
Speaker 8: and just you know, like I said, being in that facility,
Speaker 8: being in that team room is pretty special. And then
Speaker 8: the mentorship program was just uh again, it's something.
Speaker 2: Uh we've talked about.
Speaker 8: You know, our secretary, Will Garrel put a lot of
Speaker 8: time and effort and make this happen for us, and
Speaker 8: and but it was kind of the you know, we
Speaker 8: want to make sure high school football stays relevant, stays important,
Speaker 8: and you know, being a high.
Speaker 2: School football coach, being any high.
Speaker 8: School coach is hard these days, and you know, just
Speaker 8: the idea that we had some you know, mentorship people
Speaker 8: there to talk. And we kicked it off with maybe
Speaker 8: one of my favorite coaches of all time, Randy Hart,
Speaker 8: who just you know, yeah, Randy had the had him
Speaker 8: on there the edge of their seat.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: And his message wasn't just to the I mean, the
Speaker 8: purpose was to get first and second year head coaches
Speaker 8: and then young coach is that want to be head coaches.
Speaker 2: But there were a lot of us old guys.
Speaker 8: In the room and again Randy just inspired us to
Speaker 8: you know, continue to do what we're doing. And then
Speaker 8: obviously gave us some great insights into his career and
Speaker 8: into Don James and what it meant to be a
Speaker 8: coach and and the importance that we you know that
Speaker 8: we hoped that we're making, uh the difference in the
Speaker 8: lives of some of these young kids. So and so
Speaker 8: Randy started it off and he again just set to
Speaker 8: toone for just a wonderful day. And then we had
Speaker 8: brought in coaches, you know, older coaches, uh you know
Speaker 8: Tom Batner and uh Van Dalen and those guys, and uh,
Speaker 8: you know, just from different Village and Adam Mathieson and
Speaker 8: just older coaches and just so we had these different
Speaker 8: panels in the morning and then different panels in the
Speaker 8: afternoon with some college coaches talk about recruiting and and
Speaker 8: you know, and then so the coaches would rotate through
Speaker 8: these sessions and and I went to a couple of them,
Speaker 8: and again it was one of the better things I've
Speaker 8: been to. You know, Randy and I talked about it afterwards,
Speaker 8: you know, because it was around he it was a talk.
Speaker 8: They had a question and they just you know, we're asking,
Speaker 8: you know, just questions. Well, I got a fire coach
Speaker 8: that I've worked with me and you know, he's not
Speaker 8: doing how do I do this? And how do I
Speaker 8: do that? You know, And there was plenty of experience
Speaker 8: in the room. And then again to listen to the
Speaker 8: young coaches and their perspective on things, it was like, wow,
Speaker 8: that's cool because they come from a different place than
Speaker 8: I come through from and some of the older guys.
Speaker 2: So it was really refreshing. And you know, I think
Speaker 2: the state of football, you know, if.
Speaker 8: We can keep going this and keep these young guys
Speaker 8: involved in the game, the state of football high school
Speaker 8: football in the state of Washington is in a pretty
Speaker 8: good place.
Speaker 3: Money Kohler, head coach of Oda high school football with
Speaker 3: us and and Money you said there that the goal
Speaker 3: is to keep high school football the words you said
Speaker 3: relative and important. So I think for all of us,
Speaker 3: who you know are Seahawk fans and Husky fans, and
Speaker 3: and and and fans of this great game, You've got
Speaker 3: a lot of you got a lot of years under
Speaker 3: your belt to watch the development of high school football.
Speaker 3: What are concerns that you have? What what are what
Speaker 3: are things that really need to be focused upon so that,
Speaker 3: in your words, high school football stays relevant and important.
Speaker 8: Well, I think that you know, the numbers, We've got
Speaker 8: to keep the numbers up, you know, and that there's
Speaker 8: parts to that that and one of those is safety,
Speaker 8: you know, And I think we do a great job
Speaker 8: in the state on the safety aspect of high school football.
Speaker 2: But the other side of that is, you know, we
Speaker 2: got to take care of coaches. You know.
Speaker 8: I think that you know what I see and again
Speaker 8: this is just my opinion now, so is that you know,
Speaker 8: school has become destination spots for different sports. So you
Speaker 8: want to play football, you go to that school. Basketball,
Speaker 8: you know, so we got to make sure that the
Speaker 8: state of Washington is competitive. You know, I understand that,
Speaker 8: you know, you have your top teams and your bottom teams,
Speaker 8: but it can't be just four teams on top.
Speaker 2: Every year that are running run the gauntlet, you know,
Speaker 2: and that.
Speaker 8: People just so we've got to, you know, help all
Speaker 8: coaches build programs, and we got to support each other
Speaker 8: and you know, and and support coaches that you know,
Speaker 8: when they do have a good group of kids that
Speaker 8: they're they're you know, shouted out to you that they're
Speaker 8: getting that what they need to make sure that you know,
Speaker 8: their program is built and that is continues to build.
Speaker 8: We've got to help build other programs, you know, to
Speaker 8: make all of all the high school football better.
Speaker 1: And part of this mentor program that you speak of
Speaker 1: is to get coaches to kind of through those tough
Speaker 1: early years. Because it sounds to me, if I'm correct,
Speaker 1: coach and Monty Cooler head coach Oda joining us sounds
Speaker 1: to me like guys are getting into football coaching or
Speaker 1: coaching other sports in high school and it's just it's
Speaker 1: a burden and they get out of it quickly. Is
Speaker 1: that the case? We just don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, lifers like like you and said Outen and
Speaker 1: the rest of them anymore.
Speaker 8: You know, I don't have the numbers to back it up,
Speaker 8: but it sure seems like that. You know, I can
Speaker 8: really speak to the Metro League and quite a turnover
Speaker 8: at times in the Metro.
Speaker 2: League, and I think throughout the state.
Speaker 8: You know, I got when I got a young coach
Speaker 8: that you know, I just do whatever I can to
Speaker 8: make sure that he's taken care of, that he stays
Speaker 8: in the game.
Speaker 2: And then if you can get a young coach, it's
Speaker 2: also a teacher. You know. Nobody makes a whole lot
Speaker 2: of money coach in high school football.
Speaker 8: So you know, it's important that they you know that
Speaker 8: we that they understand that. You know, all that noise
Speaker 8: on the outside trying to break you down can't break
Speaker 8: you down. You know, what you're doing inside is what's important,
Speaker 8: you know. And it's nice to win, but if you're
Speaker 8: making a difference in the young man's life, it's just
Speaker 8: even if it's only one kid a season, that's a success.
Speaker 8: I mean, that's a in and you know, those are
Speaker 8: the things we need to celebrate that we're moving the
Speaker 8: game forward at the game of high school and I
Speaker 8: know we all know that it's you know, it's about scholarships,
Speaker 8: about this, it's about that. But really we need to
Speaker 8: understand that high school football is not you know, there
Speaker 8: for those reasons just to build character and all those
Speaker 8: buzzwords that have gone on with high school over the years,
Speaker 8: because they ring true. They still ring true. That these
Speaker 8: kids need it and they're better because they play it.
Speaker 3: Many Kohler with US and Coach Kohler is currently tied
Speaker 3: with Sid Otten for most wins in the history of
Speaker 3: Washington State high school football, and this fall, Coach Kohler
Speaker 3: is going to get that record for himself. And so Money,
Speaker 3: I'd like to ask you, you know, this is something
Speaker 3: we can all relate to. I sometimes wonder if I,
Speaker 3: you know, my sixty one year old self, if I
Speaker 3: could write a letter to my thirty five year old
Speaker 3: self when I had kids, you know, say hey, look,
Speaker 3: this is what I've learned, you know, learn from my wisdom.
Speaker 3: If you could sit down and pen a letter to
Speaker 3: yourself that you would open up in eighty five, you know,
Speaker 3: things that you could not have anticipated then, but important
Speaker 3: things that you've learned along the way, What are some
Speaker 3: of the things that you would jot down in that letter.
Speaker 8: Well, I think the first thing would be, and I
Speaker 8: think we all know this a coach before, but you
Speaker 8: need to celebrate and enjoy the wins. I mean, you know,
Speaker 8: you have to and you have to enjoy it with
Speaker 8: the kids. And it doesn't matter how you play.
Speaker 2: You know, that old idea of an ugly win whatever.
Speaker 8: There's no such thing. Wins win and you've got to
Speaker 8: enjoy those things. Because one of the coaches said it
Speaker 8: the thing the other day, you need to celebrate to
Speaker 8: win twice as much as you you know, as that
Speaker 8: pain of a loss, you know, and that's kind of
Speaker 8: I'll live on those losses. So I would definitely want
Speaker 8: to enjoy that that journey, you know, of the winds,
Speaker 8: even if you didn't play that well. Just make sure
Speaker 8: the kids understand. How again, I think that's part of
Speaker 8: what we're trying to do here, is make sure kids
Speaker 8: play and stay in the game, and you know, if
Speaker 8: you can ac celebrate those wins. And the second thing
Speaker 8: I think I've learned is and I've said this before though,
Speaker 8: is that the idea that I think when we're young
Speaker 8: and we're done. We just live for Friday night, you know,
Speaker 8: the lights and all that. I would tell myself, Hey,
Speaker 8: make sure you enjoy Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, because that's.
Speaker 2: What I enjoy now.
Speaker 8: I enjoy the time that you're with the student athletes
Speaker 8: and the relationship that you're building in those moments. And
Speaker 8: you know, we have to take a bus to practice
Speaker 8: every year, and you know, every every day to practice
Speaker 8: as a twenty minute bus ride to and from and
Speaker 8: our kids, I mean a lot of times when they
Speaker 8: come back to years later.
Speaker 2: You know, God, do you know what I miss most?
Speaker 2: The bus?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: So it's the relationships. It's that locker room, that kind
Speaker 8: of stuff. So make sure that you build that, enjoy that,
Speaker 8: and celebrate that as well.
Speaker 1: How have you had to adapt? How is how is
Speaker 1: coaching an eighteen year old football player in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: five different than coaching an eighteen year old football player
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Well, I think kids now, I mean I think they're
Speaker 2: better than they were in a censein eighty five. I
Speaker 2: mean they want to do well, they want to succeed,
Speaker 2: they want to compete.
Speaker 8: You just can't they gotta know. I mean two things. One,
Speaker 8: you have to have a relationship with them. You know,
Speaker 8: it's no longer I'm the coach and you do what
Speaker 8: I say, right, you know, you you have to work
Speaker 8: hard at building that relationship. And you know, because you know,
Speaker 8: there's nothing that's going to happen until they trust you,
Speaker 8: and they have to trust you that you have their
Speaker 8: best interests, that you're there for them.
Speaker 2: And it's not about wins and losses or you know, you're.
Speaker 8: The starter, whatever, it's it's about that daily stuff that
Speaker 8: you do with them, and you know, just saying hi
Speaker 8: and being a part of their lives and make checking
Speaker 8: in on them and that.
Speaker 2: So I think kids are really good that way, you know.
Speaker 8: And I think in general kids are you know, they're
Speaker 8: they're more motivated, they want to work hard, you know,
Speaker 8: and all kids are different levels in relationship to you know,
Speaker 8: what football means to them. Some kids are going to
Speaker 8: get a completely different experience. But it still needs to
Speaker 8: be a positive experience. And you know, I think that's
Speaker 8: for me. I tell my coaches, I mean, we got
Speaker 8: to have fun. We have to have fun. It has
Speaker 8: to be fun for them because I don't want to
Speaker 8: do it if it's not, and so we you know,
Speaker 8: there's a gen we've got to do that for the
Speaker 8: kids too, and and that talks about you have eighty
Speaker 8: kids on your roster, all eighty need to be a
Speaker 8: part of that experience. And so that's what I've learned.
Speaker 8: You know, I want to make sure that we can
Speaker 8: teaue you to do.
Speaker 2: And you know, again, if you got eighty kids, that
Speaker 2: number eighty kid, he feels as good as that number
Speaker 2: one kid on your team.
Speaker 8: You know that they're all kind of there for the
Speaker 8: same same reason, and they understand even though I'm not playing,
Speaker 8: I'm a part of this.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what you have to do.
Speaker 8: I think, and you know the other days that kids
Speaker 8: would just run through you know, your coach and do
Speaker 8: it whatever you said they would do.
Speaker 2: And those days are gone. And rightly so, and rightly.
Speaker 1: So, coach, it was great to talk to you. Before
Speaker 1: we let you go, I got to ask you what
Speaker 1: September fifth is gonna look like. First of all, you
Speaker 1: got to win the game. It's Graham Capalison if if
Speaker 1: my schedule in front of me is correct. But I
Speaker 1: know you're not for pomping circumstance and celebration, but the
Speaker 1: Oday football family will be So what do you think
Speaker 1: that day is going to be like or whatever? You know,
Speaker 1: what is the plan when you do break that record?
Speaker 2: There's no plan. I mean, it's another game. I'm sure
Speaker 2: somebody's going to try to do something we won't do,
Speaker 2: and you know that I don't know, I really don't.
Speaker 2: I hope a lot of people.
Speaker 8: You know, Compels is a heck of football team, so
Speaker 8: we might have to wait a week or two or
Speaker 8: three before it happens, so you never know, and you know,
Speaker 8: we've definitely got a lot of work to do because
Speaker 8: they're really good, and you know.
Speaker 2: We've lost a lot of good kids. So it'll be
Speaker 2: fun no matter what. But the game will be fun.
Speaker 8: The other stuff that it really I mean, it's I
Speaker 8: understand the importance of it, but it's not something that
Speaker 8: I think about.
Speaker 1: All Right, that answer didn't surprise me at all coming
Speaker 1: from you, totally not surprising. And coach, it's just great
Speaker 1: to talk to you, and congratulations in advance, and hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you when you when you break that record.
Speaker 8: All right, Well, thank you again and again thanks for
Speaker 8: you know, mentioning this mentorship program.
Speaker 2: Because it is. It's big, it's.
Speaker 8: Huge, and our Coaches Association, the board and Willie and
Speaker 8: you know everybody that they put a lot of hours
Speaker 8: to make this happen and it was a huge success.
Speaker 2: So we look forward to doing it again next year.
Speaker 1: Thank you, coach, you appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You bet Yeah. Great. Great to hear from a living
Speaker 1: legend and Washington State High School football.
Speaker 3: You yeah, and uh, you know a humble guy as well,
Speaker 3: and and uh, it's a long time to be uh
Speaker 3: coaching football. And and you know, the thing about Mani
Speaker 3: is that, uh, while other teams have I don't want
Speaker 3: to say evolved, but but there's a lot of shotgun
Speaker 3: around the country, spread formations. You got to get all
Speaker 3: the best athletes to play wide receiver on your team.
Speaker 3: Moni's a guy that's just you know that it looks
Speaker 3: like night you know don James football just ifirmation just
Speaker 3: pound you. They got great line and great backs and
Speaker 3: there's a discipline that he teaches in a consistency there.
Speaker 3: So their style, you know, you know, is kind of
Speaker 3: you know, stands the test of time.
Speaker 1: It's like novacane. Give it time, give it time and
Speaker 1: it will always work.