1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,119 Speaker 1: What's going on in Clippers fans? Welcome to season three, 2 00:00:15,119 --> 00:00:18,920 episode sixty five of Clips and Dim. I am Chuck 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,600 Mockler Joy by Adam Osden. William Updyke is unavoidably detained. 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,559 As you can tell from the thumbnail. We are one 5 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:27,800 of your favorite Clippers pods. Hopefully, if you're new to 6 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:29,960 us in the playoffs, thank you. It's always good to 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,679 have new people. Listen to the show. If you want 8 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:33,159 to subscribe so you can get to learn it and 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,799 we do some happy hour hangs and stuff. Check us 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,679 out at YouTube dot com slash Pack Clippers Podcast, or 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,920 just listen to us anywhere you listen to pods. Feeling weird. Today, 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,920 we're gonna talk about what the Clippers need to do 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,240 in Game five in Denver. We're gonna talk about I mean, 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,000 I don't know, Adam, how how are you feeling the 15 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:55,920 day after that particular ending? 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: You gotta be honest. I was feeling even worse this 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,799 morning till the Lakers lose. Now I feel better. It 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,560 could be worse. You could be down three to one, 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,439 really they could be. Yeah, it wasn't for Kawhid game two. 20 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:14,640 They could easily be down through one. They could also 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,439 easily be up through one, so it is. I don't know. 22 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:24,959 The one thought that kept ruminating for me was do 23 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,159 we have enough of a sense of urgency in this series, 24 00:01:28,599 --> 00:01:33,040 for like the requisite amount of urgency for a playoff series, 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,920 because I think about Game one and we got three 26 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,760 minutes in that game where neither Kahir or James Harden 27 00:01:39,799 --> 00:01:44,719 were on the floor. It's a playoff game. And then 28 00:01:45,519 --> 00:01:50,239 the end of Game four not having rebounders out there. 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,239 I look at that is as much of an obvious 30 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,840 move as if somebody is at the free throw line 31 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,040 and you need to get a board or they're intentionally 32 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,400 going to miss a free throw, you sub in the rebounders, 33 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:10,360 because it could have been I think even worse than. 34 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: What happened just the game in general, the final. 35 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:19,479 Speaker 2: Play, because you can look at that and say, well, 36 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,240 it's worse because it's so fluky and such a rare 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,879 thing and it's never happened before. I understand that. But 38 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,319 what if they just ran a set play. What if 39 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:34,840 they just isoed against Bogey or against Norm or against 40 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,680 James Harden, and it wasn't Nikola Jokic settling for that shot, 41 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,680 and they actually ran something, and you just had the 42 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:46,400 guys out there that had no business defending in a 43 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:50,240 situation like that, and they they went on like a 44 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,879 fade away from Jamal Murray over Boge or something like, 45 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,000 you'd feel miserable, Like we obviously didn't have the right personnel. 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,560 I think it's the same thing. They didn't have the 47 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:06,560 right personnel. It's just the way it happened was so 48 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,159 lucky and fortunate for them. Shadow think about the fact 49 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:14,680 that what if they just ran offense instead of Jokics 50 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,080 throwing up that wild shot and your guys are getting 51 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,199 taken off the dribble because you don't have the right 52 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,360 defenders out there to match up. What if they get 53 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:29,000 they go at you know, Kawhison, Uh, Jamal Murray late 54 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,759 in the game and he gets the switch on to 55 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,479 Bogie or Harden or Norman Powell goes by him and 56 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,439 gets a bucket, Like what if that had happened. 57 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:44,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, the the randomness of the oop, I don't it's 58 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:47,520 not an oop, it's not a putback airball. Dunk is 59 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:52,080 overshadowing kind of who was on the floor right like 60 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,800 in the ground, Like, I know it's hard to not 61 00:03:53,879 --> 00:03:56,639 we should we got to move on, which is difficult, 62 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,840 but it was such an absurd ending and there was 63 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:02,759 it's tough knowing that there's a switch that could have 64 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,360 been made that would have made that a lot more 65 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:09,800 difficult of an outcome, an already difficult outcome to be 66 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:14,000 had even more difficult with just one's one switch. 67 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: And after the timeout, obviously you're down twenty two. 68 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: There were some other issues that I don't even. 69 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:28,079 Speaker 2: Think that's when they lost the game. But okay, now 70 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,839 you have it in this situation, how do you optimize 71 00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:35,279 it to come out of this getting into overtime? 72 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: Right? 73 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:38,639 Speaker 2: Are you prepared for everything that they could run against 74 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,600 you if you have Bogie, Norm and James Harden out there. 75 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,560 I just don't think that's the case. 76 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,639 Speaker 1: I would tend to agree with you, and I think 77 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,120 most Clippers fans would agree with you. There was no 78 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:56,399 question about it postgame, which again I think the I 79 00:04:56,439 --> 00:04:58,399 think there would have been a question about it had 80 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:02,079 they just run a regular play, because then you say, oh, 81 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,519 wait a minute, why was you know what I mean? 82 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,879 Then it's oh, why was why did they make it 83 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,399 so Norm could get switched on to? As opposed to 84 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:13,360 how crazy was that last second, you missed. 85 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: And you have to be prepared for them to run 86 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:19,000 a regular play, and they weren't. It turned out to 87 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,360 be something totally what they want. 88 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,519 Speaker 1: The Clippers got with that light up on the floor, 89 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,279 that's what they wanted. The airballed. There's a half second 90 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:31,680 after that. 91 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:34,879 Speaker 2: Of course they guessed. I guess that Jokis was just 92 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,560 going to go straight hero ball and dribble the clock 93 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:43,720 out instead of running something. But there's no downside to 94 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:49,879 having other guys in in that situation. Yeah, but again, 95 00:05:50,519 --> 00:05:52,680 they've lost the game in the third quarter or in 96 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,439 the first half. We can move on. I don't know 97 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:57,600 what do you want to do, Chuck. 98 00:05:57,879 --> 00:05:59,639 Speaker 1: I tried to move on today. I went and played 99 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:02,720 some bass that I went to a tie New Year Fest, 100 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:04,680 which was a good time, and then I realized that 101 00:06:04,959 --> 00:06:06,800 we had to sit down and talk about this. I'm 102 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,800 choosing to focus on wondering if MPJ is going to 103 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,360 play in Game five because of the bench thing. And 104 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,279 I'm not saying this in a I'm advocating for him 105 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,879 to not play, but I am curious if they're going 106 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:26,120 to make that ruling because he left the bench. There's 107 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,439 footage of it. They asked him about it in the postgame, 108 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:30,319 like it's like almost a tongue in cheek thing. Now, 109 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,319 I'm wondering how strict they are with the rules on 110 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:36,240 that right because he might not play, and I don't like, 111 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,519 I don't even think that's a homersh thing to say. 112 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:41,160 Just the rules people have been kind of crazy this year. 113 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: The past history regarding this is a mixed bag. It's arbitrary. 114 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:53,560 Sometimes they go with it, sometimes they don't. I don't 115 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,720 know if things are different in the Adam Silver Commissioner 116 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,839 era with this rule versus David Stern being hardlined with 117 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:05,839 it and obviously affecting a huge series in two thousand 118 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:08,879 and seven between the Spurs and the Suns with bors 119 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,600 Dl and Amari Sodomar are just getting up out of 120 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,959 their seat and walking ten feet. Michael Porter Junior's much 121 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:17,279 further than that. He is in the paint. 122 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on the court. Like it's not an arbitrary 123 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,920 like one, you know, one foot on the court, one 124 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,639 foot still on the bench paint like. 125 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: No Marco Polo thing, Like if you're going off the rule, 126 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:35,439 he should be suspended, But they haven't always done that, 127 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,879 so they put themselves in this position where they're gonna 128 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:45,120 be criticized either way. Absolutely, he gets suspended. People are 129 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,160 gonna say, why would you do this in a playoff series? 130 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,720 Even if they look at the rule other than no 131 00:07:49,839 --> 00:07:53,240 point to other instances where they didn't suspend people. Right, 132 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,120 he doesn't get suspended. They're gonna sayh, I have the 133 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,600 rule that in the first place. If you're not gonna 134 00:07:56,639 --> 00:08:00,399 uphold it, like enforce it or don't have it, they 135 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:02,759 need to amend it or get rid of it or something. 136 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,680 Because it's been a problem for a while. I wonder 137 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,920 if this is finally the time that there is a change, 138 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,720 because there are a lot of eyeballs watching to see 139 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:10,319 what happens. 140 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm assuming we'll hear about I mean, it's 141 00:08:12,519 --> 00:08:17,079 five fifteen, will come out at seven pm. I'm assuming 142 00:08:17,079 --> 00:08:18,639 we'll hear about it tomorrow. I don't think we'll hear 143 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:20,680 about a day of the game. That would seem a 144 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,360 little crazy. 145 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: What's going to change on the tape? 146 00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:25,639 Speaker 1: Like? 147 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: What, how difficult is this review? 148 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going frame by frame, So looking ahead to 149 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,759 game five For those of you that missed it, the 150 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:39,399 series is now tied to too. What can be fixed 151 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,279 from Game four to Game five to make life easier 152 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:50,039 for the Clippers offensively, other than like locking in more. 153 00:08:51,639 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, urgency and intensity are kind of intangible things, 154 00:08:55,799 --> 00:09:00,240 but take away the random basketball. I think they got 155 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:03,039 impatient with their offense at times. They wouldn't wait for 156 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,919 things to develop and open up for them when they're 157 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,000 going to against Denver's defense if you stick with high 158 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,440 pick and roll, which is pretty much all they were 159 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:15,600 running at the end of this game and creating all 160 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:18,919 these advantages. And by the way, the amount of juice 161 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,960 and pop that James Harden and Kawhi Leonard had in 162 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:23,799 the fourth quarter. 163 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:28,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just where was it? 164 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:32,159 Speaker 2: Did did they wake up? Because that's the normal time 165 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,679 for a game around there. 166 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:37,039 Speaker 1: I told you three pms the weirdest time for a game. 167 00:09:38,799 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: Used to it. Well, what dimension were the Denver Nuggets 168 00:09:42,519 --> 00:09:45,200 playing the game in? What time zone? Did they transport 169 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:48,519 to back to Mountain time? Because they look comfortable, they 170 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:51,759 looked fine. Both teams dealt with it. I'm tired of 171 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:57,200 the excuse about it. I just don't understand why it 172 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,240 took for them to get down that much to say, hey, 173 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,240 uh oh, we can't lose this game. It's gonna be 174 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,080 two to two, and that's kind of a big deal 175 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,039 versus three to one. I don't know, I'm still frustrated 176 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:10,399 about that, but I would say run more high, pick 177 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,000 and roll, get Zubats involved. His passing has been exquisite 178 00:10:14,039 --> 00:10:16,879 all series long. You could really make the argument that 179 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:19,480 as good as Vitas Zubas was during the regular season, 180 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,200 he's been even better in this series. 181 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:27,919 Speaker 1: He stepped up to a playoff level of good. Right, 182 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,320 because there's regular season good, playoffs good. It's hard right now, Yeah. 183 00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:35,759 Speaker 2: It's harder now, and he's still they're not stopping him 184 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,320 or slowing him down. And even with Jokic having the 185 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,159 big game yesterday, I felt like Zoo was pretty good. 186 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,240 Jokic was making some of those spinning shots in the 187 00:10:44,279 --> 00:10:46,480 paint where he's just kind of trying to bully his 188 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:48,360 way and get his clothes. He cans to the basket 189 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,440 and then put up a hook shot. Not much you 190 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,080 could do there, Beata Zubos those he's been awesome, So 191 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,159 use him as much as possible. He played forty one minutes. 192 00:10:57,519 --> 00:11:01,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's making great passes. He's been He's I mean, 193 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,480 the hockey assists. I feel like we're off the chart 194 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:06,519 for Zoo. He's making great reads out of the short roll, 195 00:11:06,519 --> 00:11:10,679 which goes back to your point of uncomplicating or unrandomizing 196 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:11,840 the offense. 197 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, zoos, Yes, keep it simple, stupid. 198 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:17,639 Speaker 1: Yes, Zoo's done everything well on the pick and roll, 199 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:22,639 just as Harden is done right like now, good decision making. 200 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, some of those good passes from Zoo and he 201 00:11:25,799 --> 00:11:28,639 had six assists yesterday. How many more does he have 202 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,320 if batom and done or knocking down shots. I don't 203 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,840 know how many of those passes were from him, but yeah, 204 00:11:34,879 --> 00:11:37,720 some of that is make or miss stuff. But at 205 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,919 what point do you just go away from it? Because 206 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,840 it's not like if they don't get that shot that way, 207 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:47,200 they have no other course of action. Because sometimes you 208 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:49,519 say you have to take that first open shot, you 209 00:11:49,639 --> 00:11:51,720 have to because you're likely unlikely to get a better 210 00:11:51,759 --> 00:11:54,240 shot later in the possession. But the truth is, I 211 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:57,720 do think the Clippers have options against Denver because they're 212 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,879 not great defensively, because you can wear them out in 213 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:03,960 the pick and roll and you could go a different 214 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,480 direction with it if your role players aren't hitting those 215 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:08,120 open threes. 216 00:12:08,159 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I put this in the breakdown, like, 217 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,200 I want there to be a different action for Chris 218 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,559 Dunn to lock into when he gets the ball because 219 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,240 TYLERU talking was asked about this about when you know 220 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,639 Chris Dunn gets the ball on the perimeter and he's open, 221 00:12:23,039 --> 00:12:25,759 Tyler trusts him to take a shot or find another action. 222 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,639 To your point, with the fact that Denver doesn't have 223 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:31,720 as many defensive wrinkles to throw the Clippers a way, 224 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,879 I'm hoping he gets a couple more action options and 225 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,840 he doesn't take nine shots again in Game five, because 226 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,320 that is by the defense's design, is that Chris Dunn 227 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,720 takes six threes. Obviously, Nico, he's not going to one 228 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:50,120 for six again. Niko's right, like that was an anomaly 229 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,840 if anything from Nick Patum from beyond the Arc, but Done, 230 00:12:55,279 --> 00:12:57,840 I just want I think I totally agree with you 231 00:12:57,879 --> 00:13:01,679 in the sense that maybe there's a little bit there's 232 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,000 two more passes they could make in the possession if 233 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:08,840 Done gets the ball on the perimeter, maybe yeah. I 234 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,480 mean I packed the paint though, so it's like. 235 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: There's definitely more options. There's definitely more of their offense 236 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:19,600 they can get into, especially if they're starting the possession quickly, 237 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,360 like they have been pretty decent with that the last 238 00:13:23,399 --> 00:13:29,279 two games. But also they could go away from Chris 239 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,919 Dunn earlier and he only played twenty one minutes yesterday. 240 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't away. 241 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,159 Speaker 2: And I think coach Slu deserves credit for that. Most 242 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,080 people have said, you can't play Bogee Norman James Harden 243 00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:42,440 out there for ten straight minutes in a fourth quarter 244 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,799 and expect to have a chance to win that game. Well, 245 00:13:44,799 --> 00:13:48,159 that's the very reason they had a chance to right and. 246 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: Shout out Bogie. Shout out Bogie for a hell of 247 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,240 a shift and that stretch. 248 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,919 Speaker 2: You wonder is he going to lean back into offense. 249 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,120 That's that's coach Low's thing. If they're not scoring, is 250 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:07,600 he just gonna go Okay, we're putting Bogie out there 251 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,200 for spacing. They have to respect him more. They can't 252 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,200 do what they do with DJ and done against Bogey. 253 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:17,639 Speaker 1: When did Boge first sub in in game four, because 254 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:19,759 in Game three he didn't play the whole first quarter. 255 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,240 Norton played all twelve minutes. 256 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,039 Speaker 2: I think I think it was. I think it was 257 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,320 late first quarter. Let me see, he hit that three 258 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,000 pointer as soon as he came in. I got it 259 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:38,320 right here, I got it, I got it, I got it, 260 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:45,919 I got it. Okay, so he comes in, uh or 261 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,960 multiple line chips. So the three pointer hit was at 262 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,279 the one twenty mark of the first. 263 00:14:49,159 --> 00:14:53,919 Speaker 1: Quarter, Okay, okay, So he came in in the first. 264 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was definitely there in the first I'm trying 265 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,159 to see how early he was. 266 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:03,519 Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty quick into a shift. I 267 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:07,519 wonder if, yeah, if, just if the offense gets into 268 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:09,960 a little bit of mud. Given the fact that Bogie's 269 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,759 coming off a better game, I wouldn't be surprised if 270 00:15:12,799 --> 00:15:17,559 Tyler brings him in earlier. If Chris Don's also not 271 00:15:17,679 --> 00:15:19,279 able to be converting. 272 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: I was encouraged by him having the confidence. They ran 273 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:27,399 a play immediately for him to get that shot off, 274 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:34,559 and he nailed it. So I like coach lou Is 275 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,320 gonna go out swinging with offense. 276 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,519 Speaker 1: I think, yes, I think you are right. 277 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: And it's it's not irrational when you only score what 278 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,440 ninety nine points last night and. 279 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: At the bench, the fact that we lost to a 280 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:51,960 team that had four bench points hurts. 281 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: It does if you sacrifice a little bit of defense. 282 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,720 They only gave up one on one, he sacrifice a 283 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:05,200 little bit of defense and maybe you give up one 284 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,480 ten now, but you score one fifteen because your offense 285 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,159 is more juiced up. Isn't it worth it? I it's 286 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,759 a dangerous game because their defense has been so good, 287 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:21,200 and Jamal Murray specifically yesterday was down bad and you 288 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,799 want to keep him there because if he and Jokic 289 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:27,639 both have a big game, now we're really in trouble. Now. 290 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,200 You you better get the same from Kawhi James Harden 291 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:30,960 then to match. 292 00:16:30,759 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: Him plus Norm probably and Norm was good yesterday, Yeah, 293 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:36,519 for sure. 294 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,639 Speaker 2: So he's had two straight good games. That's good. I 295 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:46,120 still think played but two more. He only played nineteen minutes. 296 00:16:46,159 --> 00:16:48,240 And I know he's one of six from the outside. 297 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: But but like I said, that's an anomaly. That's something 298 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:54,000 that you you move on because you know what he 299 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,559 was the game before, four for six, before that, two 300 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:59,919 of five before that, three for six. He's shooting, like. 301 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: Carlos said, the last twenty two games, he's at fifty 302 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:03,799 five percent from. 303 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: Right, and it makes and you're not it's obviously yeah, yeah. 304 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,039 Speaker 2: I go out swinging. Also with Nico. If I'm going down, yeah, 305 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:19,119 I am playing Nico thirty minutes in Game five, probably 306 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:19,559 what I'm. 307 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,519 Speaker 1: Doing, because they also we'll get into the sports in 308 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:25,039 the next segment. There's also like the Clippers need to 309 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:28,200 win this in six. I think I don't think that's 310 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,599 too hot to a take. But defensively, this is something 311 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,039 I noticed from reading nikaias Duncan's tweets. This was a 312 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:40,119 great thing. He pointed out. The Nuggets put Harden into 313 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,079 action in Game four as the off ball screeners defender, 314 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,799 a season high. So they ran sixteen screens with Aaron 315 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:54,119 Gordon when Harden was his defender. They ran that sixteen times, 316 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,240 which is the most that James Harden has been put 317 00:17:56,279 --> 00:17:59,680 into action in that position all season for him, which 318 00:17:59,759 --> 00:18:05,039 is that there's a clear like it seems like we're 319 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:06,440 going to see more of that in game five. 320 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: My thing is it's smart on their part. And he 321 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:15,960 looked fatigued, But he looked fatigued the first quarter. 322 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: He looks as soon as they oh the ten. 323 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 2: And he was at his highest level of energy in 324 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:29,039 the fourth quarter. I don't know, I the lack of aggressiveness. 325 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,920 How much did Bogie being out there open up the 326 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,640 spacing in the fourth quarter? For those driving lanes with 327 00:18:35,759 --> 00:18:38,960 Kawhi and James Harden. How much did that help? I'm 328 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,519 sure that's that's the reasoning behind it. And if coach 329 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:45,079 lucyes that on tape and it helps their stars get 330 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,440 going easier, he's going to go back to it quick. 331 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: I think. So. Do you think the Clippers speaking of 332 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,720 going back to something before we get into the more 333 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,400 existential must dues for the Clippers after this break, do 334 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,960 you think we see the zone earlier? 335 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:08,839 Speaker 2: I'm upset that they played that card in a loss. 336 00:19:09,839 --> 00:19:13,319 Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, I like it because I don't like it, 337 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:14,880 but I like, yeah, that's a good point. 338 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,319 Speaker 2: Why didn't you play it a little bit earlier? We're talking? 339 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,640 They play it midway through the third quarter, and maybe 340 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,079 it's a different outcome because it was so effective against Denver, 341 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:29,599 But now. 342 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: They also don't know how effective it's going to be. 343 00:19:31,759 --> 00:19:33,519 I guess right, like you don't. 344 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,559 Speaker 2: It's true, it's a desperation type of move yunk up 345 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:42,839 the game, switch it up. But the problem is it 346 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,680 was so effective that it's gonna be on Denver's radar 347 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,160 and they should be able to crack his zone easily. 348 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,720 With Nikola Jokic, I would think you put a guy 349 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:53,480 like that that can shoot in the high post and 350 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:56,359 pass out of it, that should be the perfect zone 351 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:02,720 buster right there. I'm just worried that they unfortunately it 352 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:06,319 didn't get them a win, right that switch up that 353 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,400 move and now it gives Denver a chance to learn 354 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,160 in victory. And that's what's scary. 355 00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: I do like that. It gives them an extra thing 356 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,039 to think about. 357 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, it's it's not They're gonna do it. I 358 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:26,160 just don't know if it's gonna be as effective now. 359 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:31,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, who, let us know what you think the Clippers 360 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,319 need to do to win Game five over at Clippers 361 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,880 Pod on Twitter or at Clippers podcast on YouTube. Coming 362 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,359 up for the audio listeners, there's gonna be a quick 363 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,720 break and then we're talking just kind of some existential 364 00:20:44,759 --> 00:20:46,440 stuff for the Clippers here, and then we're doing our 365 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,960 player of the game picks. So there's some quick audio 366 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,960 breaks and then our final picks for Game five coming 367 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:54,480 up in three two. 368 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: What welcome back In Clips and Dips Season three, episode 369 00:20:58,519 --> 00:21:01,160 sixty five, I'm at a maasm got big Chuck Mockler 370 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,039 here as we are trying to sort through what happened 371 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:11,160 in game four, a historic playoff game that is going 372 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,680 to live on past this series, but it's especially going 373 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,319 to live on past the series for Clippers fans if 374 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:23,400 they end up losing the series. So obviously two games apiece, 375 00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:26,440 best of three, with the Nuggets having home court. I 376 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:28,759 like what you said earlier, Chuck about how if the 377 00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:30,559 Clipper are gonna win the series, they probably got to 378 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,440 do it in six, So they have to win Game five. 379 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:40,319 Let's talk about it. Game five. This Denver Nuggets team 380 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,039 is hurting. They could have Michael Porter Junior out. If 381 00:21:44,079 --> 00:21:46,759 he is out, is Russ going to be back? I 382 00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:49,640 would think he tries to play because he's Russ and 383 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,039 you're crossing your figures and most of Russ will be playing. 384 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:56,599 I guess, I don't know. He looked pretty good the 385 00:21:56,599 --> 00:22:00,319 first two games. It hurts more when Russ HiT's a 386 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:02,279 three pointer on you than just about any player in 387 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:03,240 the league. 388 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: Then maybe Chris Dunne. Yeah, So. 389 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: Keys to this Game five and starting fast, because that's 390 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,200 the antithesis of what we saw in Game four. How 391 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,480 do they get off to a better start in that 392 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,720 environment at ball Arena, And they're going to be absolutely 393 00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:24,400 hyped pregame they will have replayed the Aaron Gordon dunk 394 00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:27,599 oh a thousand times in the arena. 395 00:22:28,839 --> 00:22:32,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that environment, And this also goes to my 396 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,480 point about why I think the Clippers need to win 397 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:38,640 it in six. With all the emotion of what happened, 398 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,799 the dunk was so crazy, we forgot there was a 399 00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:45,480 fight before halftime. It's like a little bit like and 400 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:50,160 the Nuggets were really able to use the emotional momentum 401 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,640 from that conflict. They came out the third a lot 402 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,279 better than the Clippers did. So this team that's been 403 00:22:57,319 --> 00:23:00,559 talking voluntarily a lot about how tired they are now 404 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:02,839 has two days off. Like I like what you said 405 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,519 they learned in victory about that zone, but also just 406 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:09,799 maybe about what they're team's made of. Right, that's the 407 00:23:09,839 --> 00:23:13,720 biggest adversity that Adamman has gone through. And the guys 408 00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:18,599 all rallied and now have this moment for them, The 409 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,200 crowd has that moment not looking too far ahead. But 410 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,240 a Game seven at ball is terrifying to me. 411 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: The Nuggets have grit, championship grit, and they still have it. 412 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,920 Even though it's a worse team. They don't have the depth, 413 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,920 they still have their core guys that got them that 414 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,720 championship in twenty twenty three, and they've gotten the reminder 415 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:43,839 of who they are and how they can step up 416 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,920 in big moments multiple times in this series, Game one 417 00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:50,680 and Game four. So as much as we say hey, 418 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:55,000 awesome that the Clippers, some people say this, and the 419 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,880 Clippers did say a postgame. From a fan perspective, I 420 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,319 can see how it hurts even more because you were 421 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,640 so close and they still ended up losing the game, 422 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,920 And maybe if they lost by twenty it wouldn't have 423 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,920 been as brutal of a gut punch. But the players, 424 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:13,440 I get why they're saying, hey, we didn't quit, and 425 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:19,079 that's you know, says something about us. Well can spin 426 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,440 it kind of like, man, even when it looks like 427 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,839 you know they're about to steal a victory, we still 428 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,680 find a way to hold on in a magical way 429 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,559 with that put back dunk, like we're destined to win 430 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:36,960 this series and move on. I don't know. They they're 431 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,599 feeling great right now, so the Slippers have to They 432 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,039 have to make them feel not so great, and it's so. 433 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: Frustra It's frustrated too because the Clippers are the healthier team, 434 00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:53,640 like that's not even again not a homer take. Like, 435 00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:57,799 if they're the healthier team, they need focused basketball from 436 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:02,000 a healthy team. It's so effect against a team that 437 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:05,000 doesn't have as good of a rotation, a team that 438 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,559 is seemingly lumbering around the court. I think Michael Reporter 439 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,599 Junior is probably more than twenty to thirty percent. But 440 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,240 you know what I mean, right, Like, this is one 441 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:15,880 of the few times the Clippers are the healthier team 442 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,720 and they're not able to take advantage of it for 443 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,519 some reason. And I don't mean, you know, it's obviously 444 00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:25,440 not gonna like run circles around these guys. But that's 445 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,960 where the keeping it simple in the half court is 446 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,720 because it's the high pick and roll. You're the healthier team, 447 00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:34,319 wear them down and don't bounce the ball off your foot. 448 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 2: I think if the Clippers lose this series, there's gonna 449 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,640 be some real questions about the way it was managed, 450 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:47,440 because while they are the healthier team, it leads to 451 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:51,319 thinking that we can tap into our depth more and 452 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,960 we don't have to play our starters as much as 453 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,519 Denver does. But if Denver who and I looked this 454 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,200 up earlier, they've gotten about fifty teen more minutes total 455 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:05,680 in this series from Jamal and Jokic. Then the Clippers 456 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,920 have gotten from James, from Zoo, from Kawhi, They're two 457 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,920 top guys have played about fifteen more minutes total, So 458 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,519 that's over what three minutes more per game. It's significant. 459 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:23,000 It's a margins thing in games this close because they 460 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,720 don't have as many options because they don't have many 461 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:30,599 places to go. I wonder if that simplifies things for 462 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,400 them in some ways, and I don't want to think 463 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,640 it's an advantage, but right now, at to two, it 464 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,680 feels like the Clippers, you know, we talked about the 465 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,119 optionality with the offense and if this is not working, 466 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,119 you have other places to go. Denver just like, this 467 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,240 is what we have to work with. This is it. 468 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,559 We're losing the series and we just have to dig 469 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:56,799 this out and find a way. I don't know if 470 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,319 they've rallied around that that they have five and a 471 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,599 half six guys that can play right now, and it's 472 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,880 somehow they're rallying cry in the locker room, because it 473 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,039 just seems like sometimes there's paralysis by analysis when you 474 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:15,400 have too many options out there. 475 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: I think I think the comfortability is obvious is very 476 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,559 much helping the Nuggets too, because you look at the 477 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:26,799 Clippers bench rotation, it's newer guys. We you know they 478 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:29,880 redid the bench. This isn't an excuse. I think Robert 479 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,680 Flabby pointing this out on Twitter, like it's an inexperienced 480 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,039 bench for the Clippers in terms of very meaningful minutes. Right, So, 481 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:43,079 like Simmons has been good, but we're still you know, 482 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,519 DJ didn't have the best game. I mean, obviously when 483 00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:49,519 the bench scores, well, the bench scored seven points for 484 00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:55,640 the Clippers five I think most of them from Toom. 485 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:02,359 Like one thing I guess is like everyone went cold, right, 486 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,759 Like the process wasn't bad for the Clippers. I mean 487 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:07,039 it was at points, but overall, like the shots they 488 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:11,319 missed were open shots playoff quote unquote open. Looks like 489 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:14,400 they all kind of hit bottom at the same time. 490 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:20,519 Speaker 2: But we said throughout the regular season, what happens with 491 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:22,920 a guy like Chris Dunn in a playoff series if 492 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,519 they're just leading, leaving him wide open and he's missing, 493 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,359 and therefore they can pack the paint more and they 494 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,440 can take away driving lanes and Kawhi and James Harden especially, 495 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,400 how do you overcome that? And can you just completely 496 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,319 go away from him? They didn't do that in Game four, 497 00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:46,240 completely go away from him. They did in the fourth 498 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,599 when they made their comeback. Yeah, it's just we we 499 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,640 saw this coming. We knew what was gonna happen at 500 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,599 some point in this series. Chris Dunn is the type 501 00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:58,279 of shooter that's gonna have a game like he did 502 00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:00,839 in Game four. Of course he will. So what do 503 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,039 you do? How do you find another way to beat them? 504 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:09,799 I don't know. Maybe it's just a shorter leash from 505 00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:13,000 here on out. If there's any signs he misses his 506 00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:14,559 first two, that's it. 507 00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: Also, I think he doesn't get nine shots if Harden's 508 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,680 more decisive, you know, like, I don't think he gets 509 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,440 nine attempts at the basket. If Harden takes some a 510 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,359 little bit more responsibility. Early in the game, Kawhi took 511 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,039 his shots. We talked about this post game, which was 512 00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:36,480 a nice therapeutic session. Kawhi took his shots, whereas Harden 513 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:39,920 didn't assert himself as much. Kawhi was looking for the 514 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,839 whistle a little bit too, But they. 515 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,599 Speaker 2: Got a bad whistle. They did at home absolute Kawhi, 516 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,720 especially with those two fouls on Aaron Gordon in the 517 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:49,319 second quarter. 518 00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: Zoo had some no calls as always for him. 519 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,839 Speaker 2: There's just there's no whistle. There's no officiating or defense 520 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:03,400 to me that can justify James Harden taking four shots 521 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,680 and a half in a playoff game. 522 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: Agreed, it's Paul George numbers. 523 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,319 Speaker 2: That first half. No, they're they're doubling him harder like 524 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,839 they've been doubling him. 525 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,559 Speaker 1: Right, You. 526 00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:24,039 Speaker 2: Step back threes can still work against a double. Uh, 527 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,359 he could still go around both of them when he 528 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,359 has the type of pop that he had in the 529 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:31,920 fourth quarter. I just don't buy that as an excuse. 530 00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:34,519 He wasn't assertive enough. He didn't speak with the media 531 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:38,319 post game last night. Sure he wasn't happy with the game. 532 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,599 I'm fine with that. 533 00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:43,799 Speaker 1: He's a competitor, I see, That's what that All year 534 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,279 he's owned up to stuff and stepped up for things. 535 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,359 So we have a season of evidence of James Harden 536 00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:56,319 bouncing back from games like that, which makes me feel 537 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,480 I'm not saying good about Game five because it is 538 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,519 the playoff. Some we're all one. We're a DeAndre Jordan 539 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,680 dunk away from being tied in that game. Let's also 540 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,359 win the DeAndre Jordan minutes by more in game five? 541 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,880 Can we do that? If he's on the floor, there's 542 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,480 no reason that we should be winning. Do we win 543 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,480 those minutes like by like plus two? 544 00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:22,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, like the non jokicch minutes, they win plus two. 545 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,359 Speaker 1: They gotta do that. They gotta go and the Kawhi 546 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,079 was on the floor. 547 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they went at least plus six the 548 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,599 first two games. Yeah, not sure what it was game 549 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,680 three because that game got out of hand quick. 550 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: And it's not a lot of minutes obviously that you 551 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,359 get with off the floor, but you gotta have some 552 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:44,519 urgency in those minutes. 553 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:51,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be better. I don't know if 554 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,799 James Harden plays well. I know this goes against what 555 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,279 happened in game one, but when he plays really well, 556 00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:01,160 I feel great about their chances because if he's rolling, 557 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,400 it unlocks everything on the offensive end. Yeah, even though 558 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,920 they did lose game one when he was rolling. Yeah, 559 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:12,920 Kawhi the seven turnovers anomaly. 560 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:13,599 Speaker 1: He took three. 561 00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:14,839 Speaker 2: I expect both of them. 562 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: To be good. In game five he took or he 563 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,519 took two threes yesterday. 564 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: That's wild. 565 00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:26,319 Speaker 1: He put one of two from three. That's not all 566 00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:30,519 double teams. That's all all the double teams. When's the 567 00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:32,440 last time he took two threes in a game. 568 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:38,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't have a defense that should be able 569 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,759 to hold him down to that degree. Ever, that's more 570 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:47,480 about hard and that's more about the Clippers. But if 571 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,599 a lot of those shots are being funneled elsewhere, going 572 00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:54,440 to Chris Dunn, going to Nico, going to DJ and 573 00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:57,880 they're not hitting, it's like, well, that's why superstars have 574 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,720 to put it into their own hands. They have to 575 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,079 take the game into their own hands. When Joki is 576 00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:04,920 gone for sixteen points in the third quarter and Harden 577 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,839 and Kawhi combined for seven, that's a recipe for disaster. 578 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:11,920 One of them has to get it going, has to 579 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,519 force the issue sometimes. 580 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: In one hundred and seventy playoff games, he has taken 581 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,000 two three pointers six times, including yesterday. 582 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: How many of those were worth the thunder? 583 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:26,519 Speaker 1: So the funny thing is, I think they've won every 584 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:31,119 single game except for the one yesterday Philly. 585 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:33,079 Speaker 2: Harden was on his light years. 586 00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Philly in twenty twenty three and then Thunder twenty twelve, 587 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,039 Thunder twenty twelve, under twenty twelve, under twenty twelve. 588 00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:47,599 Speaker 2: So so it's really two games since he became James Harden. Yeah, 589 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:48,799 and he's won on one. 590 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, and one hundred and seventy playoff. 591 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,319 Speaker 2: The other thing is the Clippers. They don't take a 592 00:33:56,359 --> 00:34:01,519 lot of threes already. He's a huge part, right, yeah, 593 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:02,519 three point shooting. 594 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,759 Speaker 1: He takes like a third of our three Yeah. 595 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like a third of their attempts. 596 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he should shoot more threes. Hot take James 597 00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:16,440 Harden shoot more than two threes. I'm worried before you 598 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,599 get to play the game, picks. The whistle is going 599 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,760 to be interesting this one because the refs have to 600 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:29,000 make some kind of ref statement of control after what happened. 601 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, you hope they don't try to clean it up 602 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,480 to the point where it's such a tight whistle now 603 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,280 for both teams. 604 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,519 Speaker 1: And I think this goes for just the whole game 605 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:43,119 as well, like because it could really get weird. 606 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you just don't want. First of all, the 607 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,320 playoffs in general have been very physical, just like they 608 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,920 were last year. I remember the first two games against Dallas. 609 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,039 Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit, Sue was getting the ship 610 00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:57,880 slept out. 611 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:04,159 Speaker 2: Of its playoff basketball. So you know, I sympathize with 612 00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:09,079 Detroit fans today because it's like, dude, just call it consistently, 613 00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:12,519 Just keep it consistent. That's obviously a foul in the 614 00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:14,199 first quarter. It would have been a foul in that 615 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,920 three pointer by Tim Martaway Junior early in the fourth quarter. 616 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,679 But they want to swallow the whistle because they think, oh, 617 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,280 we don't want to affect the game. If you don't 618 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,480 call obvious fouls, you are affecting the game. If you 619 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:26,039 don't call the same way as you did in the 620 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:29,159 first quarter, you're already affecting the game. Let them play 621 00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:33,480 like they have. If you have to give out technicals, 622 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,039 if you have to call naughty boys or whatever for 623 00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,800 misbehaving out there a little bit because it gets too physical, 624 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,039 that's fine. 625 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine. 626 00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:47,639 Speaker 2: The likelihood that anything severe happens in a playoff game, 627 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,840 when there's guys that don't want to fight in the 628 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,199 first place, it's all good. Don't overreact to one little 629 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,280 incident at the end of game two, which was much 630 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,119 to do about nothing. 631 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Now for the most important part of the episode, 632 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,039 our player of the game picks if you're new to 633 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,920 the show. The rules which we have instilled upon ourselves 634 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,039 for really no reason other than pride, I think, is 635 00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:15,119 that we are not allowed to pick Kawhi, Leonard James Harden, 636 00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:17,719 Norm pall or Avitza Zubats as the player of the game, 637 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,920 because obviously, if one or two of them have a 638 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,880 good game, the Pippers are probably going to win the game, 639 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:26,239 and that is too easy. Will is not here. Who 640 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,440 do we think Will's picking? 641 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 2: KPJ? 642 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: Yeh has tried and true KPJ. 643 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 2: We used to do that to him. 644 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 1: I think he took bogey last time, right. 645 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 2: I took Bogue. I think call we got him the 646 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,079 time before. 647 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,639 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll give him bogey this time. Then, unless you 648 00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:46,639 want bogey, I. 649 00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 2: Gotta go back to back bogey. 650 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: Uh. 651 00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,159 Speaker 2: I'm going with a specific thing I want to see 652 00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:57,960 from this player too. Niko Batoom. Thirty minutes is my call. 653 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:06,320 Hell yeah, he gets thirty minutes, balls out, he will 654 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,239 take it to heart going one of six. 655 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but. 656 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 2: He's too good of a player. He won his minutes 657 00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:17,840 last night. I believe Nico was a plus out there 658 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,960 is he almost always is. It's literally it's always good 659 00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:27,199 to go with more minutes from Batoom. It's rarely ever 660 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,599 hurts you even a game. He was one of six. 661 00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:33,280 I think he was a plus. If that's the case, 662 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,119 then he was. 663 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: Fuck me. Bogie was plus twenty two though, So you 664 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,679 got that one. 665 00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, yeah, he was. He was out there 666 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,039 in the fourth and they made their big problems. He 667 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:51,199 was a part of it. I'm still going Niko Batoum 668 00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:55,639 thirty minutes, thirty minute minimum, twenty nine and a half 669 00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:56,119 at least. 670 00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm going Derrick Jones Junior. He had a really and 671 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,119 not incredibly good game four, and I would like for 672 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,960 him to be put in a position to get transition 673 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,159 buckets because the Clippers need some easier buckets right now 674 00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:15,880 because the offense is not The offense is oscillating between 675 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,840 what we saw earlier in the season, not like what 676 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:19,840 we saw at the end of the season. 677 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's missed a couple of gimmes in this series 678 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,519 like that. He did have a bad series against Dallas 679 00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:31,679 in the finals. That was his last run in the playoffs. 680 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,039 It was a good run overall, but his last series 681 00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:38,800 against Boston. Yeah, he wasn't great with his shooting, but 682 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,440 I'd say he's been solid so far. He hasn't been bad, No. 683 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,039 Speaker 1: But just a little more. Only played fifteen minutes, but 684 00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:47,920 we'll see. And then I think, yeah, let's give a 685 00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:51,519 Willow go Christa. 686 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 2: I like it. 687 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: He wouldn't, he would go Krista. That so Will, that's 688 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,679 so Will. All right, we're gonna be doing a postgame 689 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,880 you know what, Adam will be live over at Clippers Talk. 690 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,599 We're gon be doing a postgame live after Game five, 691 00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:09,880 probably just a quick stream hang before Game six, because 692 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,000 now there's no more two days off in between games. 693 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,000 Reviews and subscribes really help us out. If you're new again, 694 00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:19,199 thank you for hanging out. We try and make it 695 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,679 so you can talk about the Clippers at a party 696 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,840 when someone corners you and asks you how the season 697 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,039 is going. So we hope you're all doing good. Hope 698 00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:29,400 everyone had a good day and decompressed a little bit. 699 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,199 I did. It was nice forgot about it for a 700 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,960 couple hours, and now I'm right back to thinking it, 701 00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:38,280 replaying it in my head over and over. Adam, one 702 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,519 positive thing to send these Clippers folks before what will, 703 00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:46,039 no doubt be a very stressful Game five. And it's 704 00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:47,079 always Let's go Clips. 705 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 2: We said it last night, but they lost game one, 706 00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:56,079 they won the next two, they lose Game four, respond 707 00:39:56,679 --> 00:40:00,159 win the next two, because yeah, they probably need to 708 00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:01,920 win this one in six. I don't want to see 709 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,719 a Game seven in Denver. If you're gonna win this series, 710 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,320 six is the best path in my opinion, Come on, 711 00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:14,159 big victory in game five, big bounce back, Harden Kawhi. 712 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,239 I believe, I do, I do. I believe they're gonna 713 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,599 show up. Last time Kauhi was in Denver. Did you 714 00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:21,480 see what he did? 715 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 1: We have the plan, we have the blueprints. Okay, we 716 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,039 hope everyone has a great week. We'll be back with 717 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:30,159 y'all after the game on Tuesday, and as always, let's 718 00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:30,920 go Clips.