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dot net. Now from May thirty first, nineteen fifty one,

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here is the Big Bendel.

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Speaker 2: The story you're about to hear is true, only the

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names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a

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detective sergeant. You're assigned to narcotics detail. You receive information

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that one of your city's most fashionable hotels is being

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used as the clearing how for high grade heroin evidence

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points to a narcotics ring, the center of distribution. Your

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job break.

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Speaker 3: It Dragnet the documented drama of an actual crime. While

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the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles

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Police Department, you will travel step by step on the

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side of the law through an actual case transcribed from

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official police files, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.

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Dragnet is the story of your police force.

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Speaker 2: In action.

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Speaker 4: Was Tuesday, October fifth, was foggy and rainy in Los Angeles.

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We're working the day watch out a narcotics division. My

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partner's Ben Romero. The boss is Captain Kearney. My name

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is Friday. Was eight forty seven am when we got

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to four h one North Avenue nineteen, the main jail

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Felony Section.

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Speaker 5: Morning, Apollos. All right today, Pete, morning, I bring you

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up here so early.

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Speaker 4: We want to see Monty Wilkins booked in last night

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in narcotics booking numbers nine oh six, three, five, one.

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Speaker 5: Okay, let me look, okay, here it is he's in

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one oh three.

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Speaker 6: Frank you, Pete. I'll put it in the book here Joe. Okay,

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here's my gun.

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Speaker 7: I want to check it. What you are?

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Speaker 5: Yeah right, I'll put them away. Okpe, did you check?

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Speaker 7: Thank you? Pete? All set?

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Speaker 8: Then nine O six three five one.

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Speaker 7: That's it.

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Speaker 8: Okay, let's go all right, all right, we want to

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talk to Monty Wilkins.

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Speaker 7: He's No.

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Speaker 9: Three.

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Speaker 8: All right, we'll get him Monday.

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Speaker 10: Welcome one on three.

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Speaker 11: For in you.

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Speaker 8: Hello Friday, ben ye money, better move out of the

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way there.

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Speaker 7: He wants to lock that door. Money.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, let's go around the corner to the interview room.

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Speaker 7: Money.

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Speaker 10: All right, man, this is off.

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Speaker 7: No matter. Don't you feel good?

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Speaker 10: I feel awful, pretty sick?

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Speaker 8: You look bad. I'll get the lack Okay, then.

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Speaker 12: Set out money.

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Speaker 10: Okay, thanks.

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Speaker 8: Well it's been about a year and a half, hasn't it?

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Speaker 7: Money?

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Speaker 10: About that long? Yew?

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Speaker 9: We got you for possition that time too.

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Speaker 7: Didn't we.

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Speaker 10: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 12: How long you've been in the stuff this time?

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Speaker 10: Well, I guess I've been hooked bad about a month.

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Speaker 12: How much you're shooting them?

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Speaker 10: Well, about two caps a day?

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Speaker 9: And you were picked up down on scott from last night.

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You had saving gaps on you.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 12: We checked with the crime lab. They've run the stuff.

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It's not the usual Mexican, is it.

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Speaker 13: That's right, you want to tell us about it. Yeah,

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it's good stuff. It's not Mexico.

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Speaker 8: We know that money.

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Speaker 9: Where'd you get it?

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Speaker 13: Haven't had anything like that for a long time, real good,

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haven't been cut real fine. Maybe it's coming in from

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the East coast. You can't get nothing like that from Mexico.

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Speaker 4: Now, look, money, we ran the stuff through the lab.

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We know it's high grade heroin. We know all about it.

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Speaker 12: Now I want you to tell us where you've been

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getting it.

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Speaker 13: Well, you know how it is. You want to ask

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the impossible of me. My life wouldn't be worth a penny.

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Speaker 12: You know how it is?

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Speaker 9: Mean handles your year and a half ago, didn't you money?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I'm telling around, aren't you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: I did time though.

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Speaker 7: And you knew that going in.

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Speaker 9: You're gonna do time on this trip.

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Speaker 12: Too, So don't shoot us that line.

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Speaker 11: Huh.

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Speaker 10: Well, you guys know how it is with us. Guys,

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I can't tell you anything.

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Speaker 12: No, it isn't that you can't. You just don't want to. Now.

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Speaker 4: Look, we didn't come up here to spend the time

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of day with you, Wilkins. This is the only time around.

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If you want to help us, you can help yourself.

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At the same time. It's up to you.

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Speaker 10: You mean, you can clear me on this. You can

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give me a break.

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Speaker 9: And we didn't say that.

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Speaker 6: We can't make any promises to you or give you

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any kind of a break.

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Speaker 9: It's entirely up to you. How you want us to

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put it down our reports. Co operative or uncooperative.

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Speaker 10: Oh okay, you squared with me last time.

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Speaker 12: You helped us, last time we made a case.

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Speaker 10: But I'm not gonna be able to help you very much.

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Speaker 13: Where you've been getting it, well, I've only made a

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couple of buys on that good stuff. I just got

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it from some old mule I just happened to meet

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down there, seen to be pretty well loaded with the stuff.

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Speaker 9: Where'd you meet him?

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Speaker 10: Go down near fifth in the spring somewhere.

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Speaker 9: What's his name?

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Speaker 13: I never did know his name. I just knew that

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he was pushing the stuff, some old mule, that's all.

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Speaker 12: Who's he pushing it for?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 13: You know they never tell us guys where they're getting it,

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you know how they do. Yeah, I never did talk

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to him very much. I did hear him say once

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he was getting his stuff from a new bunch of

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guys from the east, said they were really going to

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open up this town. Well he talked, they're no small

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time operators. I got enough out of it to know

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they're working out of the Plaza Royal Hotel.

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Speaker 10: Never figured that, would.

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Speaker 9: You anything else? Any names mentioned?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I remember this old mule mentioned a couple names.

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I think he talked about somebody named Kirk and another

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guy called Smith. Now you understand, this guy was just talking.

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I don't know how they fit in or what the

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Speaker 7: Man, we understand.

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Speaker 12: Where can we get a hold of this whole meal?

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Speaker 10: I don't know where he's at.

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Speaker 12: How do you get a hold of them when you

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want to make a buy?

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Speaker 10: I just run into him.

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Speaker 13: That's all down around Spring Street, you know, just around

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last time I was down.

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Speaker 10: I couldn't find it.

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Speaker 9: Is that all of it money? You know what you

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can tell us?

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Speaker 10: Well, I don't know too much anyway, you know how

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it is. I couldn't tell you anymore. It's all I know.

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Speaker 12: All right, let's get out of his five ten of

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it's all you got.

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Speaker 10: That's everything I got. Hope you fellas will write me up.

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Speaker 13: Okay, I think I helped you quite a bit, haven't

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I one of the best hotels in town, Plaza Royal.

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Never would have figured that, would you, Mabby. I've told

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you quite a lot. The rest ought to be easy.

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Speaker 7: You know you're wrong.

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Speaker 12: There many why you haven't told us the name of

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your mu. You haven't told us where we could find him.

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You haven't made it so easy.

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Speaker 10: It's all I have. I've told you a lot.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, there's a lot you didn't tell.

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Speaker 4: We continued our interrogation of Matty Wilkins. He refused to

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divulge any further information. What he had told us, together

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with information already compiled, seemed to check out.

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Speaker 7: For the past seven months.

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Speaker 4: We've been trying to localize the operations of what had

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come to be regarded as a well running distribution center

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for high grade heroin. We knew of the existence of

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this distribution point through the various us that had been

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picked up almost daily. These users would have in their

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possession quantities of high grade and narcotics.

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Speaker 7: Unlike the cheaper, lower.

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Speaker 4: Grade quality common in the southwest part of the country,

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this type of heroin was more common to the eastern

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section of the United States. We had believed the local

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distribution point to be somewhere in our metropolitan downtown area.

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The information gained from Matty Wilkins had strengthened this theory.

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Ten twenty five am we met with Francis Kerney, captain

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of the Narcotics.

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Speaker 2: Division Pliza Royal Hotel.

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Speaker 6: What do you think, Well, we've figured what we were

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looking for could be in that area, but we've never

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put her finger on that hotel.

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Speaker 2: How do you figure on working it?

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Speaker 7: Or driving back from the jail?

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Speaker 4: Ben and I were just kicking it around, Skipper, what

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do you think about putting a man in that hotel?

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Speaker 2: Anything's a great deal better than we're doing now, But

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I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'd like to give it a try.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure like a crack attage giver, you know how

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I feel about these kind of assignments. One man working

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inside one outside brings the element of danger up kind

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of high.

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Speaker 7: Well, we know it's not going to be easy, but

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it looks like a good bet.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes these things are. Sometimes they're not. You know what

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kind of a bunch they got to be and running

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their racket just about as smooth as it can be

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run you know the kind of a risk of man

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it'd have to take if you tried to make contact

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with any of them.

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Speaker 7: Do we think it's about the quickest way to get

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to them.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it might be with it. You got any ideas

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how you'd like to work it.

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Speaker 6: There's just one thing. We haven't come to any decision.

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Who's going in who is well.

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Speaker 4: I think I ought to be the one to work

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it from the inside of the hotel, with Ben working

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outside as a contact.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why we can't just turn that around.

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Last time you had the rough end, Joe. You just

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got back from your vacation about three weeks ago, didn't you. Yeah,

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that's right, And she stayed out in Arizona, Phoenix with it. Yeah,

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you know the town very well.

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Speaker 7: We got some relatives down there.

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Speaker 2: They started asking you any questions about Phoenix. You could

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fill them in. I think so that's probably the best

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way to settle it. Ramara Friday here'll be in a

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better position knowing a little about Phoenix.

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Speaker 6: I don't see how you figured that way. I went

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on my vacation too. Colimba's Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Well, because of the type of stuff that's been coming in,

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don't you think it'd be a little safeer bet to

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have our men come from somewhere out this way rather

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than from the east.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it makes sense. Well, you did it again, Joe,

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you beat me out. All right, Let's figure it this way.

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You're a local Phoenix hoodlum. Things got too hot for

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you down there, and you came up to La to

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cool og. Yeah, how about Joe Edwards. How does that sound?

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Speaker 7: That sounds right to me.

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Speaker 2: We'll get all the necessary cards, identification papers and a

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few letters to carry around with you, all under the

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name Joe Edwards.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 2: I think the best way to work it is for

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you to hop right down to Phoenix. When you get

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in town, check with Roberts. He's a narcotics down there.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: Have Roberts filled in on what's been going on down there,

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any of their current characters they've handled recently, any that

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have been known to pass through, you know, so you

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can talk about it freely.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I understand, Joe.

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Speaker 6: Well, when you check into the hotel down there, why

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don't you wear a head up here to the Plaza

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Royal for reservation.

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Speaker 2: Might be a good cover, good thought, that's the way

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to handle it. YouTube worked these things before, you know

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what to do, all the necessary precautions.

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Speaker 7: Well, how long do you figure out to lay over

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in Phoenix? A couple of days?

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Speaker 2: Maybe, I think that's long enough for you to get

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filled in what you mean?

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, that's fine. Well I'll go home and get packed.

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I'll start on it first thing in the morning.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ramero, I'll stand by at all times, day

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and night while you're on this thing. You know enough

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to call if things get tight. Sure, since you get

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in from Phoenix and get located at the Plaza Royal,

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get in touch so we'll know which way to move

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right anything else. Oh, we want to break this thing,

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but we don't want to do it at the risk

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of the life. So if it starts getting warm, check out.

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Speaker 7: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I still don't like sending anybody on something like this,

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but it's got to be done. We don't know enough

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about it. We don't know how many are in the gang.

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We don't know what kind of a bunch they are,

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So be careful. I will if you're not. And I

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hear about it. This will be your last assignment like this. Yeah,

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I don't hear about it. Well you figure it, yeah.

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Speaker 7: Either way I lose.

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Speaker 4: I went over to the photo room at the crime

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labn't picked up the identification papers that had been made

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out in the name of Joe Edwards.

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Speaker 7: I went home and.

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Speaker 4: Removed all Los Angeles labels from the clothing that I

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was to take with me to Phoenix, Arizona. I removed

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all my personal ideaification in Los Angeles Police Department credentials.

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Speaker 7: I left my service.

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Speaker 4: Revolver home and borrowed a thirty eight automatic from Ben.

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Speaker 7: I packed it in my suitcase.

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Speaker 4: The crime lab also furnished me with a package or

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a bendle made to resemble the usual form in which

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a person would carry Heroin. I packed this in my suitcase.

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Before my departure, Ben and I went over the proposed

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plan as best we could. I was to arrive from

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Phoenix under the assumed name of Joe Edwards. I would

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register at the Plaza Royal Hotel in downtown Los Angeles

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an attempt to make arrangements to participate in a narcotics buy

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for the purpose of gaining sufficient evidence to apprehend the

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narcotics ring. I was to keep Ben informed as best

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I could of my progress, as outlined by Captain Kearney.

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I arrived in Phoenix and contacted Sergeant Roberts at the

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Detective Bureau down there. He furnished me with all the

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necessary information and assisted me in acquiring local Phoenix clothing

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store labels to have sown in my clothing. I obtained

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everything possible to make it appear that I was a

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longtime resident of Phoenix, Arizona. Several dummy hotel bills were

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made up for me to make it look as if

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I had lived there for a period of time. I

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was furnished with an Arizona driver's license, a membership in

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the local social club, and a voters registration step.

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Speaker 7: These were all packed in my suitcase.

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Speaker 4: October ninth, ten am, I arrived at the Plaza Royal

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Hotel the front desk, Yes.

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Speaker 7: Sir, my name's Edwards. I'm in from Phoenix. Did you

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get my wire one moment there, Yes, sir, Joe Edwards. Yeah,

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that's the right.

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Speaker 2: Would you sign the register please?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: All right, thank you, but yes, sir. Would you show

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this gentleman in room two eleven please, yes.

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Speaker 7: Sir, this way, please all right, go ahead, sir, thank.

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Speaker 15: You too, please. Not very nice weather. To arrive in

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Los Angeles.

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Speaker 7: Is it s no good?

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Speaker 15: I see by the stickers on your bags you've been

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through Arizona.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 15: It must be nice weather down there.

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Speaker 7: Huh yeah, that's all right.

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Speaker 15: This way, sir.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 15: Let me open my window for you, sir. A little

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fresh air in here.

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Speaker 7: All right, okay, thanks, here you go.

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Speaker 15: Thank you very much, sir. Help you with your bags?

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Speaker 7: Yeah all right.

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Speaker 15: Oh I'm sorry, sir. Something dropped out on the floor here.

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Speaker 7: You better let me have that.

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Speaker 15: Sorry, very sorry that happened. That's all right, mister Edwards.

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Speaker 16: While you're in town here, if there's anything I can

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do for you, don't hesitate letting. Yeah okay, I couldn't help.

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But notice that little package there that I dropped. Yeah, well,

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like I say, I know my way around here in

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this town.

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Speaker 15: If you need anything, you know, anything at all.

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Speaker 7: Sir, I'll tell you what. Now, here's five bucks.

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Speaker 4: You never saw anything fall out of my bag there, right,

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anything you say, sir? Okay, thanks a lot, see you.

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Speaker 15: Later, huh yes, sir, anything else, sir?

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Speaker 7: No, No, that'll be all.

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Speaker 15: You'll remember what I told you, sir.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just gonna say the same thing to you.

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I couldn't be sure, but it looked like I'd been

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lucky right from the start. The bell boy at the

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Plaza Royal Hotel. I didn't know if I could consider

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this an opening contact or not, but he seemed to

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show more than a passing interest in the bundle of

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narcotics that he had seen fall from my suitcase. I

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didn't feel it was the right time to press the

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issue any further with a bell hop, but I figured

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I'd wait and leave the next move up to whoever

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he might have.

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Speaker 7: Been working for. During the next three days, nothing happened.

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Speaker 4: I tried, without appearing to be too bold, to arouse

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some interest, but without success. October thirteenth, my fifth day

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at the Plaza Royal Hotel, six pm, I went in

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the bar off the main lobby.

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Speaker 17: I beg your pardon, Yeah, Kirk Carting's my name. I

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noticed you here in the bar in the last couple

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of nights. You're up here to Biolho are you selling?

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Speaker 7: I don't believe a folly already.

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Speaker 17: Look, boy, we've had you, tab Sin said first day

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you hit town October ninth. We haven't been out here

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too long ourself. We're in business too. The same business

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you're in.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what kind of business you think I

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am in, But you got it figured wrong.

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Speaker 7: Mister.

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Speaker 17: You know this entire matter work out much better for

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you in the long run if you'd level with me.

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You're just going to make it tough on yourself. This

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way A sorry, you lost me way back somewhere. All right,

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let's do it the hard way. You're up here from Phoenix.

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We know you've got some stuff with you. We know

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you're not a user. You're a member of the social

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club down there. They're registered voting.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you've been working real hard, haven't.

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Speaker 17: So there's more. You've got two pieces of luggage. You're

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carrying a thirty eight automatic anymore. Yeah, it was telegrammed

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from a friend of mine down in Phoenix. Yah, we

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know all about you.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to dragnet authentic cases from official police files.

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Speaker 4: It was a tight moment as Kirk Harding fingered the

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telegram in the bar of the Plaza Royal Hotel. I

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had spent many hours in consultation with Sergeant Roberts in Phoenix,

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Arizona before undertaking this assignment. I felt sure that we

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hadn't overlooked anything that might lead to my true identity.

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Kirk Harding read the wire to me was from a

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man with the name of George Ferguson. He'd done some

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legwork for Harding and had not been able to furnish

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him with anything other than what had been found out.

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And going over my room, I knew I'd found the

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contact that I was looking for.

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Speaker 7: I told him that I was in the business of buying.

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Speaker 4: Narcotics, that I was in Los Angeles for the purpose

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of making a pre arranged narcotics buy with agents dealing

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in Mexican stuff. Ediately gave me a strong sales pitch,

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saying that he could furnish me with high grade heroin

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fresh from the European market in quantity. At the end

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of the first week, I was introduced to kirk Harding's

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two associates, another man called Smith full name Horace L. Smith,

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and a woman by the name of Lucille Cosgrove. Ben

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had been unable to find records on any.

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Speaker 7: Of the three.

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Speaker 4: For the next three weeks we became more friendly. We

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went places together, spent a great deal of time together. Monday,

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November fifteenth, Well.

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Speaker 15: We've had a lot of fun the last few weeks ely.

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Speaker 7: He there's no doubt about that. But I got to

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be getting back to Phoenix now.

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Speaker 17: I don't get eager, Joe. You know how kg you were.

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You made us waite. Phliminaries are over. This is a

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big buy for you or anybody else. Yeah, I know

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all that, but who am? Just be patient. You will

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have something to really set yourself up with down there. Okay,

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excuse me, Joe?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, go ahead?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Hello, hi, Alusi, it's a matter Smith. Don't you feel good?

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Speaker 2: I don't know Soto food.

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Speaker 10: I guess I think I got an alcer My stomachs

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are all the time.

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Speaker 7: Oh, it's too bad. I don't know what it could be.

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Speaker 2: Baking Suda don't do any good anymore? Better drink Joe?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, fine with me.

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Speaker 2: Let's say you want to get some ice out of kitchen.

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Please here, ex get me Smith. You want to go

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see a doctor. You don't know for sure what's wrong

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with you. It might make it worse.

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Speaker 7: If I don't know what it is. How could a

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doctor I don't know?

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Speaker 2: It works for everybody else might for you.

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Speaker 18: Hey, I can't get this ice straight up?

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Speaker 11: Joe?

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Speaker 18: Would you give me a hand please?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Sure, Okay, which one here?

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Speaker 18: I got paid Ice, keep working on that other tree.

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There's something to tell. Okay, listen, Joe with big byes tonight?

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Speaker 7: You sure?

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Speaker 15: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I about it?

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Speaker 10: You do you need any help?

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Speaker 8: No, that's all right, correct, It's come along fine, Joe.

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Speaker 18: As soon as you sure your money tonight, they're going

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to kill you hot.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 18: Look, we don't have time to go into it. I

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know you won't have a chance. They're gonna kid, what.

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Speaker 10: Are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Wait, you're going to freeze? Come on, I'm about to.

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Speaker 7: Ask all right here, Kirk, I'm sorry, let's go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, what do you want?

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Speaker 4: Let's see Joe cocais are Yeah, I'll make my n

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burden a little water.

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Speaker 2: Smith, you're sure you don't want one?

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Speaker 15: No, I can't do it, Joe for I mix him.

477
00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 2: I got some point. Yeah, Smith tells me tonight tonight.

478
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 4: Well that's good. But why don't you tell me a

479
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,279
little ahead of time? I got a date for the night.

480
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,319
Speaker 2: I think you better break that one and keep this one,

481
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:26,680
don't you.

482
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,559
Speaker 7: Well yeah, I do, but just wish you to tell

483
00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:30,240
me a little sooner.

484
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 2: There's the phone. You can take care.

485
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,799
Speaker 7: Is it all right with you.

486
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 17: You know as much about this business as we do.

487
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,119
Go ahead and use it as long as we can

488
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,319
hit you keep.

489
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,839
Speaker 4: Fine, just take a minute, just sit here, Joe. Oh

490
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,680
thanks Smith. Yeah, see, I wonder if you get my

491
00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:48,319
drink for me over there. Sure she's probably gonna be upset.

492
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 7: I may need it.

493
00:21:48,960 --> 00:22:06,079
Speaker 11: Huh.

494
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 7: All right, honey, this is Joe.

495
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Joe.

496
00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I won't be able to make it tonight. Dear,

497
00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:14,720
you can't talk Hill, that's right, dear, No, I just

498
00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:15,519
can't get out of it.

499
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,319
Speaker 6: I'll do the dog in Joe's a bidennight.

500
00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, well it just came up all of a suddenly. No, darling,

501
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,640
I can't tell you where I'm going. You couldn't go

502
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,279
along anyway.

503
00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 4: Okay, we'll be with you five.

504
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: Minutes from now.

505
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,599
Speaker 8: All the way, Well you're not the hotel.

506
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 4: Well, that's the way it is, and I can't help.

507
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,640
But that's all they We can get together later.

508
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:31,839
Speaker 11: Huh.

509
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,079
Speaker 1: We use one car, Joe's take as close as we

510
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,839
can do. Eat one car. It'll be safe him.

511
00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 7: Well, it's better, honey. Now that's the way I like

512
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,160
to hear your talk. I'm sorry. I'll see you later,

513
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,319
hunh we'll be wait you okay, dear.

514
00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: Well, she still love you?

515
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, she loves me.

516
00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:55,079
Speaker 4: Fifteen minutes after I hung up, we went downstairs and

517
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,359
got into a green Chrysler Sedan was parked out in

518
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,960
front of the hotel. I looked around. I didn't see

519
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,319
Ben or any of our cars in sight. Smith drove

520
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,680
and Kirk and I got in the back seat. The woman,

521
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:09,599
Lucille Cosgrove, remained at the hotel. I didn't know which

522
00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:11,200
of the two men was planning to kill me, but

523
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,759
I felt sure Lucille Cosgrove told me the truth. Her

524
00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:15,880
information on the by was right, and maybe this other

525
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,039
was correct as well. We drove out Figaroa Street for

526
00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:21,960
about sixteen miles. At this point it became evident we

527
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,799
were heading for the Los Angeles Harbor area.

528
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: Do you ever see if fog is thick as this

529
00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:28,400
to you?

530
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 7: No? Never have.

531
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 10: I can't see fifty feet in front of me.

532
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, just take it easy. Nobody's in a hurry.

533
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 2: That's right, I want to pile up anywhere.

534
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 7: Where are we going?

535
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,279
Speaker 2: We're almost there.

536
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 7: This is your car here. I've never seen this one before.

537
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 2: No, we run it isn't that the way you opening.

538
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. Just wondered if you played it as

539
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,119
safe as I do.

540
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 2: We do.

541
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 8: I'm going to swing in this next Daley up here, Kirk,

542
00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:54,880
somebody tailing us?

543
00:23:57,599 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: Kid your lights right?

544
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 10: See anything at the back winded?

545
00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:08,799
Speaker 2: Wait a minute? How they go?

546
00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 7: How did it look?

547
00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:13,759
Speaker 2: Good? Guys in the front seat? Could have been somebody?

548
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,480
What do you think, Jo? Want to look at you?

549
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,759
Speaker 7: Well? Whoever it was, we lost him anyway.

550
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's go.

551
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:44,559
Speaker 18: Who are that.

552
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,759
Speaker 7: Clear spot here in the fog?

553
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 10: Don't see your soul anywhere?

554
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:49,319
Speaker 2: It's fine.

555
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 17: Were almost there now, Yeah, just around the corner, says

556
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,960
a break, isn't it? FOG's clear right in here? I

557
00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:58,960
was socked in back up there. We're as safe as

558
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,400
you'd want to be. Yeah, yeah, that's right. This is

559
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,519
it over by the storage building.

560
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:05,799
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Let's go.

561
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,319
Speaker 7: Over this, great Joe, what's over there in that building?

562
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:18,839
Speaker 2: We're not going inside, just over there in that alcove,

563
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:22,359
all right, they said, Joe, let's see the money.

564
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 7: Oh wait till I see the stuff. Huh.

565
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: You don't trust anybody, do you? What are you trying

566
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:29,960
to prove? Well?

567
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 7: I didn't like what he said.

568
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,559
Speaker 2: You're not gonna like what I got to say either,

569
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,240
freeze mister?

570
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: What's it?

571
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 7: Then he ducked in this alcove.

572
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 8: Oh, take care of that one there.

573
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,039
Speaker 7: Alright, easy?

574
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,839
Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, you seem.

575
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 4: No, it's too dark there he is, all right, throw

576
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,079
your gun out ahead of you.

577
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,559
Speaker 6: He's not gonna throw that gun out, Joe, watch it.

578
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:12,519
Speaker 7: Come on, nurse's gone.

579
00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:13,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got it.

580
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 7: You want to shake him down? Ye on? Your feature?

581
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: What'd you get hit? I sure? Let me see you?

582
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,079
Speaker 5: All right?

583
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: Just grazy. You're a cop, aren't you?

584
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 7: Yeah? That's right. Now, come on, let's go.

585
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: Where's this stuff on the back seat in my car? Now?

586
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,319
You tell me something?

587
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 7: Why? Just like Smith, I just wanted something I knew

588
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,200
you'd never give me. What's that? An even chance.

589
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,839
Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true? Only the

590
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,839
names were changed to protect the innocent.

591
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,519
Speaker 3: On January fourth, trial was held in Superior Court, Department

592
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:54,319
eighty one, city in County of Los Angeles, State of California.

593
00:26:54,440 --> 00:27:05,119
In a moment the results of that trial, all three suspects,

594
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,519
Kirk Arthur Harding, Horace L. Smith, and Lucille Marie Cosgrove

595
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,440
were convicted for violation of the state narcotics actor felony.

596
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,079
Harding and Smith were convicted on one count of attempt

597
00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:16,240
to commit murder. They are now serving their terms as

598
00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:21,440
prescribed by law in the state penitentiaries. You have just

599
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,480
heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases from official files

600
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:26,799
and technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of

601
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:29,359
Police W. H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Department.

602
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 17: Stay tuned for Counterspy next over most NBC stations.

603
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: Welcome back. I love the under cover cases, and I

604
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,799
think that Joe Friday did a very good job being

605
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,960
flavora Blake Hagey, still doing what he had to do

606
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,319
to get the job done. Then, of course it did

607
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,039
lead to an excise and a little bit of suspense. Now,

608
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:09,720
some of you might scoff at Ben Romero's vacation to Columbus, Ohio,

609
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,480
but as my wife was born in Columbus, I'm required

610
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:18,119
to say that it is a wonderful vacation spat and seriously,

611
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:23,200
Columbus Zoo is absolutely great, one of the top zoos

612
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,000
in the country. In addition, it's very well possible, since

613
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,799
Romero had kids, that they may have driven over to

614
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,839
Cedar Point, which is one of the largest amusement parks

615
00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:41,319
in the country and certainly had a great reputation, and

616
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:44,720
this was before you had all of the themed parks

617
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,160
in southern California. Of course, from my reading, it wasn't

618
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:58,319
necessarily at its best in the immediate post war era,

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00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:02,640
with some issues at the park that would be resolved,

620
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,000
but nevertheless a great place to visit these days now.

621
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,400
I did actually get a comment on the first run

622
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:14,799
through of The Big Bendel from Mechanic Fix six' eight to,

623
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:20,680
two who Writes lucille saved a cops life and got no. Break,

624
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:23,359
well first of, ALL i would, continue we don't know

625
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:26,799
if she got a. Break we're told the sentence was

626
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:31,119
as prescribed by, law and we don't really know if

627
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,680
there was any sort of leniency in the. Sentenccene and

628
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:39,240
certainly this type of thing also could come up in

629
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:44,039
a parole. Case and, also she didn't know she was

630
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,039
saving a cops. Life she thought she was saving a

631
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:53,119
drug dealer's, life and may have contributed to the survival

632
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:59,000
of a police officer in totally incidental. FASHION i, mean

633
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:03,079
if it had been a case Where joe had actually

634
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,079
been a drug dealer and the police had got onto

635
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:12,039
this another way and caught the. Criminals would you expect

636
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:17,039
a lighter sentence because she tried to save a fellow. Criminal,

637
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:21,359
well the position is this is a great injustice because

638
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,880
she accidentally saved a police officer while trying to save

639
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,440
a fellow narcotics. Criminal AND i think saved his life

640
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:34,240
might be a bit of an, overstatement regardless of Whether

641
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,920
joe thought he was going to be killed or. Not

642
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,279
and he didn't even have the chance to reveal that

643
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:47,640
aspect of it when he Called Ben. Romero the police

644
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,559
were still going to be there at the scene of

645
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,640
the drug. Buy and even without the, warning this Is Joe.

646
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,680
Friday he's not some babe in the. Woods he knows

647
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,599
that when it comes to making drug deals that this

648
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:08,160
is not something that's unheard of with drug dealers to.

649
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,880
Do So i'd say there's a strong chance that he

650
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,319
gets out of there alive, anyway but allow that maybe

651
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:20,759
being a tad more prepared might have made that sort

652
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:26,079
of split second. Difference so the information she provided in

653
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,839
order to save a fellow drug felon from being killed

654
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:37,559
might have provided some marginal advantage for an undercover police

655
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:42,440
officer that might have possibly potentially made the difference between

656
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,240
life and. DEATH i don't think it would be the

657
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:49,000
worst thing in the world for a court to cut

658
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,000
her a little bit of slack in the sentence, scene

659
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,319
as much as the law might allow at that. TIME

660
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:59,400
i think it might be a slight overstatement of the

661
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:04,599
value and the moral worth of this very unintentional good

662
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,960
turn to the. Police now on to some other listener

663
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,880
comments and, feedback and we have this From, rob, who

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00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,240
in his along with the check he sent for donation,

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Rights dear Mister, graham thank you for your work with the.

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radio and just started listening to The Great adventurers Of

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Old Time radio. Podcasts thank you for cross posting them

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SO i knew they. EXIST i enjoyed the araditional information

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you include about the, actors the show, history. Etc that

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really sets it. Apart and he ALSO i took our

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listener survey AND i appreciate. That and thanks so much

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for the. Feedback, rob and your comment about appreciating the

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cross posting gives me some food for thought about how

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00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,240
we promote the other podcast projects here On Great, Detectives

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00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:05,559
BECAUSE i think that we have a podcast on the

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amazing world of radio and even some of the older

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ones like old Time Radio superman in The war that

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would be of interest to more listeners than we currently. Rate,

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again thanks so much for the. Comment and we have

681
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:24,279
another comment From mechanic sixt' six' eight. To two this

682
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one comes regarding episode four seven Six Eight The. Big

683
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:34,480
blast as to your comment about not having a warrant

684
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:37,160
to search the, shooter's house this is THE thing i

685
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,160
often comment about. On, dragnet however the guy was, ON parole,

686
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,000
i think and police don't need a warrant as it

687
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:49,240
is a condition. To parole that, being said technically they

688
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:53,680
are supposed to have the parole officer present, good catch

689
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:59,519
and being on parole definitely raises issues and kind of changes.

690
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:04,160
The equation my limited research into the subject is that

691
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:08,920
it varies in some cases depending on. The jurisdiction in the,

692
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,920
exact terms the parle officer doesn't even need to, be present.

693
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,519
Just informed and we also have to keep in mind

694
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:20,159
that they were operating under the case law as it

695
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:26,280
existed in nineteen fifty one or whenever the case was,

696
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,519
originally handled so that might be one case where a

697
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,719
warrant was not the issue regarding the big. Case scene

698
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,599
harrison takes a little bit of an Issue With lee,

699
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,199
jones statement you have to feel good about letting a

700
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:49,039
man that probably didn't help his wife's mental condition by

701
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,400
always arguing with her, for years and feel good is

702
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,599
only a suicide and not. A murder, I mean I

703
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,760
guess lee well is statement about you have to feel

704
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,719
good good cash to. BE seen i think in a

705
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,960
lot of the Fact that Friday and ramero put themselves

706
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:12,119
so out on a limb and being certain that he

707
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:16,679
was guilty and going with these, BIG allegations i think he,

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00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,920
was saying, in essence the end result is the job.

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00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:27,239
Was done the truth, came out and we didn't have

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00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:31,039
to go through all of the things that come with

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00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,800
prosecuting someone and having to go through all of that

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and to make this man's life away, from him, you

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know whether that's through the death penalty or from life.

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In prison it was a good thing they found the

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truth and are able to clear someone who didn't commit. The,

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crime admittedly the husband is not a particularly, sympathetic character

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particularly to, modern LISTENERS and i think with good reason

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if he ever asked the spouse of The year award

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nomination was not lost in, The mail but judging what

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happened in their marriage and the whole psychology of it

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is kind of beyond. Their remit it's a question of,

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legal responsibility which he did. Not, have, now though it's

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time to Thank our patreon supporter of, the DAY and

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i want To thank robert currently supporting the podcast At

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Us from we will be Back next thursday with another

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Episode Of, Driving that but join us back here tomorrow for,

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Yours truly John eat all or where.

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Speaker 7: Just what are you doing in the? Insurance?

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Speaker 19: Business look you remember Back In, new york Just Before tom.

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Speaker 7: Dewey took OVER, his Da The Great.

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Speaker 5: Holy, racketbusters Yeah and i'm sure.

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finished up my, high school started. Taking law you.

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Speaker 7: Studied law?

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Speaker 19: WHY not i could have, cleaned up, you know mouthpiece

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for some of. The mob some of THE boys i knocked,

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Around with But then dewey came along broke up.

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Speaker 5: The RACKETS so i gave it up to do?

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Speaker 19: What, yoall oh you know this? And that chicago for

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a while with some of. The Boys al capone left

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behind and down here The Border san diego for, a while.

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Speaker 7: Huddling narcotics Across. From mexico then some of us Tried To.

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Speaker 5: Las vegas we didn't get anywhere or was?

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Speaker 8: That, crack, Well listen.

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Speaker 19: I'm clean make it crack.

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Speaker 7: Like that you can.

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Speaker 19: Prove, It okay if, you can't don't.

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Speaker 7: Say it you were telling me how you got.

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Speaker 19: Into the, insurance business, all Right when i'm taking you on,

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this case don't talk. Like that gent's idea with don't,

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like it and don't forget whatever you think. About them

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you could also be, run okay two kinds, of wrong

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doll just playing wrong and? Dead wrong you SEE what? I, mean.

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