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Speaker 2: haven't put anything together yet as far as wagers, but
Speaker 2: man a lot to choose from when it comes to
Speaker 2: college basketball. And I started the show by mentioning that
Speaker 2: as a college basketball super fan, a real dork for
Speaker 2: the sport, this is where I really start to try
Speaker 2: to really take it all in and not take for
Speaker 2: granted this special time of the season where you've got
Speaker 2: college basketball on really more than it ever is, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, when the Super Bowl comes to an end
Speaker 2: on Sunday, I mean, the NFL is still going to
Speaker 2: be the most talked about thing in sports. But that's
Speaker 2: really where college basketball has got a chance to kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, emerge and remind people, hey, we're here and
Speaker 2: we've got March maddness coming your way. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I watch college basketball any chance I get November, even
Speaker 2: when the.
Speaker 3: Early games happened.
Speaker 2: So tonight's one of those nights where I'm looking at
Speaker 2: the matchups out there Perdue Iowa. I mean, if Kentucky
Speaker 2: and ole Miss, that should be a great game. To
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I'm not necessarily you know, I
Speaker 2: would prefer ole Miss win, but you know, wouldn't be
Speaker 2: shocked if Kentucky does get the dub. But either way,
Speaker 2: like that's a big matchup, two top twenty five teams.
Speaker 2: Ole Miss on hosting. Chris Beard obviously has done a
Speaker 2: good job since he's been there. Marquette Saint John's should
Speaker 2: be a really good game. I hate that it starts
Speaker 2: at six thirty. That's kind of weird. So again, a
Speaker 2: lot of good games on tonight. I'm gonna watch as
Speaker 2: many of them as I can and not bet on
Speaker 2: them as far as you know, all of them, but
Speaker 2: bet on some and hopefully I'll get lucky. And and
Speaker 2: when I've had I've had some decent momentum in the
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, I'm not you know, crushing it
Speaker 2: by any means, but I'm having more success than I've
Speaker 2: had at any.
Speaker 3: Point in the year.
Speaker 2: And that's usually what happens with me when it comes
Speaker 2: to betting on college college basketball. But anyways, Louisville and
Speaker 2: Action tomorrow taken on Boston College, I have no reason
Speaker 2: to think they won't bounce back. They're gonna play a
Speaker 2: really bad team, and they've done a good job against
Speaker 2: really bad teams, you know, other than the slip up
Speaker 2: they had against Georgia Tech. So I have no reason
Speaker 2: to think that Boston Kyle is going to be able
Speaker 2: to beat them. But well, they can. We all know
Speaker 2: that it could happen. It's just I think what makes me,
Speaker 2: I guess more humble as a fan of this Louisville team,
Speaker 2: meaning I've got a lot of confidence in them.
Speaker 3: I love watching them play.
Speaker 2: I feel like when they've got it rolling and they're
Speaker 2: they're clicking, and you know what I mean when I
Speaker 2: say that, right, they've got you know that they're they're
Speaker 2: playing well defensively, they're you know, getting loose for threes
Speaker 2: in transition. Like that's where I think this team could
Speaker 2: not only you know, be good, maybe be dangerous for
Speaker 2: some teams when you get to the NAA tournament. So
Speaker 2: like I believe that and I really have for a
Speaker 2: while now, even with the setback to Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3: However, when it comes to.
Speaker 2: You know, the loss to to Georgia Tech, I mean, again,
Speaker 2: it doesn't change what I think this team can do.
Speaker 2: But again I guess more than anything, that's a reminder
Speaker 2: that they can slip up and lose to bad teams
Speaker 2: and that you shouldn't just take any I mean, I
Speaker 2: really felt like against against Georgia Tech, that was the
Speaker 2: first time, really, you know, maybe the first time this
Speaker 2: year an ACC play where I really felt like insanely confident,
Speaker 2: and not just because Louislle was on a ten game
Speaker 2: winning streak and playing really well, but because Georgia Tech
Speaker 2: wasn't very good. But they got hot, made some big shots,
Speaker 2: and you know, they gave Louisville their first loss and
Speaker 2: over a month in ten games in fact, so I
Speaker 2: guess Boston College could do that.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I feel like this team will bounce back.
Speaker 2: I think they you know, they realized for the first
Speaker 2: time this year they had a dud. They went out
Speaker 2: I mean, they've had some bad games, but they were
Speaker 2: either too you know, really good teams to where they
Speaker 2: know they didn't play well and they got embarrassed in
Speaker 2: some of them, like Old miss and you know Tennessee.
Speaker 2: But you know, again that was early and earlier in
Speaker 2: the season, and those are really good teams. And they've
Speaker 2: had some other games like Utep and Eku where they
Speaker 2: slipped up and you know, nearly lost, but they won
Speaker 2: and that matters, right, you find a way to win.
Speaker 2: But this is the real outlier on your resume at
Speaker 2: this point, a loss to a team that you know
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have lost to. It happens, right, So I'm
Speaker 2: checking to see it doesn't look like we have an update.
Speaker 2: We don't have a spread that I can see at
Speaker 2: at Draft Kings, but I'm curious if there's one at
Speaker 2: FanDuel because I would imagine they'll be double digit favorites.
Speaker 2: But then again, they weren't double digit favorites at Georgia Tech,
Speaker 2: and sure enough they ended up losing out right. But
Speaker 2: let me see, does FanDuel have anything for us yet?
Speaker 2: They usually get the spread? Yeah, fan duel has uh
Speaker 2: has a line for us here as I as I
Speaker 2: look and the cards are favored about thirteen and a half. Again,
Speaker 2: that speaks to how bad Boston College actually is. All right,
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Speaker 2: zero seven ninety. Let's go to Jerry, who joins us
Speaker 2: here on Sports Talk seven ninety. What's happening to Jerry?
Speaker 1: How much?
Speaker 2: Nick?
Speaker 4: I got a few Fly Williams stories for you, Okay,
Speaker 4: as as I have told you in the past. I
Speaker 4: don't know if you recall I was raised a Hilltopper,
Speaker 4: but I live in Louisville, so you know, also a
Speaker 4: Louisville fan, but my dad raised me a Hilltopper. And
Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy, Yeah, that was when.
Speaker 2: They were in there, right like that was a that
Speaker 2: was kind of when they kind of made their mark.
Speaker 4: Yes, and well, and you know Western went to the
Speaker 4: final four and seventy one. We'll rehash all that then.
Speaker 4: You know, all the kids that started on that team
Speaker 4: were from Kentucky, which was pretty rare at the time.
Speaker 4: But that's what made me so familiar with Austin p
Speaker 4: and Fly Williams. Fly Williams, I recall I watched I
Speaker 4: watched his h them getting knocked out of the NCAA tournament
Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy three. They lost Kentucky in overtime one
Speaker 4: o six to one hundred. It was played in Vandy's
Speaker 4: gym uh in Memorial College a Memorial Auditorium or whatever
Speaker 4: that I think it's Memorial Auditorium down there, and uh,
Speaker 4: it was a hell of a game. Fly I had
Speaker 4: about thirty points, uh give or take, and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: it was just a heck of a game. Interesting because
Speaker 4: the guy that coached Fly, the head coach, was named
Speaker 4: Lake Kelly. Lke Kelly and Leonard Hamilton were both on
Speaker 4: that bench, and they both ended up at UK on
Speaker 4: their bench, you know, and they coached against joeby Hall
Speaker 4: that day. So I don't know who was at Kentucky first,
Speaker 4: whether it was Lake Kelly or Leonard Hamilton, but they
Speaker 4: both eventually coached for Joe B. Hall and it might
Speaker 4: have had something to do with that game. He maybe
Speaker 4: can impress them. They they lost one six to one
Speaker 4: hundred in overtime. Fly Williams had a hell of a game.
Speaker 4: He was a hell of a player.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: People talk about different people, Steve Amy, like Milt Wagner,
Speaker 4: people like that, how many points would they have had
Speaker 4: if there'd have been a three point shot, et cetera,
Speaker 4: et cetera. The same. You know Pete Marrivich. They say
Speaker 4: that about Pete. Thing could be said for Fly Williams.
Speaker 4: He took a lot of deep shots when it was
Speaker 4: only worth two points. And like I said, he was
Speaker 4: a hell of a player.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven and a half points per game as as
Speaker 2: a sophomore, and scored fifty one points twice as a freshman.
Speaker 4: Right, he was a He was just a nice player.
Speaker 4: There's one story, and I can't recall it well. While
Speaker 4: people were recruiting him or he did this at Austin
Speaker 4: p but there was one time where he took like
Speaker 4: a corner shot. He was fading toward the out of
Speaker 4: bounds and he just stumbled on out into the lobby
Speaker 4: and got a drink out of the water fountain and
Speaker 4: then got back in the game. That's the kind of
Speaker 4: player he was. And he ended up in the ABA,
Speaker 4: which was you know only that's it was the perfect
Speaker 4: spot for him. I think he played for Saint Louis
Speaker 4: Spirits years later and and I don't know, you know,
Speaker 4: what caused him to get out of it, But like
Speaker 4: I said, good memories. Hell of a player, really nice player,
Speaker 4: and he was a you know, he was one of
Speaker 4: those guys back then, you know, it was it was
Speaker 4: a little different, and they, you know, you had these
Speaker 4: guys that could average you know, twenty nine. You know,
Speaker 4: I watched Austin Carr play for Notre Dame. He he
Speaker 4: averaged big numbers. Of course, pistol pete. Fly Williams was
Speaker 4: another one, you know, And but anyway, it's it's sort
Speaker 4: of interesting that his coach and Leonard Hamilton ended up
Speaker 4: at Kentucky years down the road. That's all I got.
Speaker 3: Jerry, appreciate it, man, Good to hear from you.
Speaker 2: Yes, So, Fly Williams a name a lot of basketball
Speaker 2: fans know. Obviously he played along he played long before
Speaker 2: I was around. But first of all, it's a very
Speaker 2: memorable name because it's a cool name. Fly Williams, but
Speaker 2: he was He was brought up because Leonard Hamilton, who's
Speaker 2: retiring at the end of the season, gonna step down.
Speaker 2: He shared a story that we played in the Four
Speaker 2: o'clock Hour about when he recruited Fly Williams. He was
Speaker 2: in New York City, unfamiliar of course with New York City.
Speaker 2: He's twenty three years old, a young assistant coach, and
Speaker 2: he's waiting at Fly Williams's home with his mother, waiting
Speaker 2: for Fly Williams to get home. And he never came home,
Speaker 2: and he ended up having to he changed the clocks
Speaker 2: back two three hours to where his mom didn't get
Speaker 2: you know, didn't didn't you know, I guess kick him
Speaker 2: out and say, hey, you got to go, it's getting late.
Speaker 3: But anyways, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: The the that era of basketball. That's something that I
Speaker 2: often forget about just because I wasn't around. But dudes,
Speaker 2: who who missed out on a three point line? Like,
Speaker 2: there's certain guys that I'm sure at that point, I mean,
Speaker 2: the game was a lot different, but still there were
Speaker 2: deep I mean there were deep threes. Deep shots, I
Speaker 2: should say, they're not threes that you know, there may
Speaker 2: be certain guys that like barely missed out on the
Speaker 2: one thousand point club at their school, but if they
Speaker 2: would have had a three point line, they would have
Speaker 2: been there. So anyways, so the super Bowl is now
Speaker 2: five days away. We talked a little bit a little
Speaker 2: bit earlier about just the storylines that are out there.
Speaker 2: We talked about the officiating and how the NFL officials
Speaker 2: have who was it the guy who I guess is
Speaker 2: in charge of the NFL officials put out a memo
Speaker 2: claiming that it's you know, basically, they're offended that people
Speaker 2: think that the officials are conspiring and whatnot.
Speaker 3: And look that is.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how many people truly believe
Speaker 2: that the officials get together and are told by Roger Goodell,
Speaker 2: but they got to do whatever they can to make
Speaker 2: sure that the Chiefs end up winning and Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: doesn't get hit. Because I think people say that just jokingly,
Speaker 2: but also so putting on a release.
Speaker 3: I mean, some would say that that might make you
Speaker 3: look guilty.
Speaker 2: I again, I'm not going down the path of thinking
Speaker 2: that the NFL is rigged or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: I think because of how much it's been talked about, it,
Speaker 2: and I guess just how much people hate the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: There are people that truly believe that this is all
Speaker 2: some sham and it's you know, a work and I
Speaker 2: don't believe it. But some other storylines. When it comes
Speaker 2: to this matchup in the Super Bowl, I doubt they
Speaker 2: just blow it up. But Nick Sirianni and Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 2: I mean they've gotten They've gotten back to the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl here and you know, winning when you get here
Speaker 2: is you know, much easier said than done. I mean,
Speaker 2: getting to the super Bowl is much easier said than done.
Speaker 2: But this would be huge for their I mean, you
Speaker 2: don't again, you don't blow it up, but you got
Speaker 2: to think if you get back again, that's where pressure
Speaker 2: starts to kind of mount, because wouldn't be as shocker
Speaker 2: if they lose to the Chiefs and then we get
Speaker 2: the I mean, let's be real, we wouldn't want it.
Speaker 2: But whul anybody be surprised that next year it's the
Speaker 2: Eagles and the Chiefs again. I mean, I'm not predicting that,
Speaker 2: but we can and say we'd be stunned because you know,
Speaker 2: I don't see any of these guys, you know, being true.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you never know what's gonna happen
Speaker 2: in the offseason. But I think some GMS get a
Speaker 2: little worried that, Okay, we've we've been right here, this
Speaker 2: has been our window.
Speaker 3: Why hasn't it happened yet?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Why haven't we broke through? Maybe we need to Maybe
Speaker 2: we need to blow it up and start over. I mean,
Speaker 2: you got a lot better with Sewon Barkley. Jalen Hurts
Speaker 2: has been a good enough quarterback, has been a good quarterback.
Speaker 2: He just hasn't you know, like he's he's not gonna
Speaker 2: put up crazy. He actually does pretty good numbers for
Speaker 2: like fantasy football, but he's somebody that is consistent, doesn't
Speaker 2: make mistakes, and can and can do what you need
Speaker 2: him to do as.
Speaker 3: A quarterback for your team to win.
Speaker 2: Their defense has been really good this year, so if
Speaker 2: they come up short, it could easily just be that,
Speaker 2: you know, what are you going to do? You ran
Speaker 2: into a dynasty called the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 2: so wouldn't be a shocker to see him run it back.
Speaker 2: But again, there have been some times where when they
Speaker 2: see that window starting to close even a little bit,
Speaker 2: they'll they'll go back to, you know, not starting over,
Speaker 2: but trying to figure out which piece they need to add.
Speaker 2: Maybe they get rid of of a nice asset to
Speaker 2: their roster because they feel like they're lacking in a
Speaker 2: different area. So you never know, but it would be huge.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think a lot of the attention would
Speaker 2: be on Wow, I'm so glad the Chiefs loss, because
Speaker 2: it does feel like if you're not a Chiefs fan
Speaker 2: and you're not in Kansas City, you're not a diehard,
Speaker 2: then you're probably hoping the Eagles win. At least that's
Speaker 2: the way it seems. So that would be like it
Speaker 2: would be an upset, It would be a surprise and
Speaker 2: people would be happy. But then when you shift attention
Speaker 2: to the Eagles, it would be pretty impressive. They would
Speaker 2: be the ones that kind of dethroned this Chief's dynasty.
Speaker 2: I mean, doesn't mean they'd be over and done with,
Speaker 2: but I think Jalen Hurts has got a chance to
Speaker 2: kind of put himself not in the tier of man,
Speaker 2: this guy's one of the best to ever do it.
Speaker 2: But he's been successful since he's been it in the NFL,
Speaker 2: and this is the second time he's won his Conference
Speaker 2: and if he's able to outlast I mean, look, let's
Speaker 2: be real, he could play decent, Mahomes play great, But
Speaker 2: if the Eagles win, there's gonna be a whole lot
Speaker 2: of love giving the Jalen Hurts because that's just how
Speaker 2: this works.
Speaker 6: And they'd be the only people besides Tom Brady to
Speaker 6: beat them in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I have I have really really
Speaker 2: been a fan of Jalen Hurts for a long time.
Speaker 2: Not because like I think he's some phenomenal player that
Speaker 2: you know, once in a lifetime kind of talent. He's
Speaker 2: a very talented guy. But to me, he is somebody
Speaker 2: that can claim despite being a highly regarded recruit that
Speaker 2: played for you know, Nick Saban and Alabama, he has
Speaker 2: always kind of been doubted because he wasn't you know,
Speaker 2: he wasn't flashy, so.
Speaker 5: He got benched for Tua.
Speaker 2: Yeah he I mean he was at Bama winning national
Speaker 2: championship or did he win two?
Speaker 6: I think he think he won the first one and
Speaker 6: that I think I think he won too, and then
Speaker 6: Tua won one and I think he came in. No,
Speaker 6: by the time he came in, he'd done transferred to Oklahoma, correct.
Speaker 2: No, Tua and him were were sharing reps. Okay, because
Speaker 2: I remember when louisvill played Bama down in Orlando, Tua
Speaker 2: was the starter and then they put Hurts in. I
Speaker 2: think is how it worked. Maybe it was the other
Speaker 2: way around, but like he got benched in the National
Speaker 2: Championship game after he was already a very successful quarterback
Speaker 2: at Alabama. Yeah, and they put two a end too.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know does what he does, and yet
Speaker 2: he handled himself. This is where I really became a
Speaker 2: fan of him because I remember thinking to myself, this
Speaker 2: guy is twenty one years old, maybe younger than that,
Speaker 2: maybe twenty and he on live television in the National
Speaker 2: Championship game for Alabama, got benched for a freshman, and
Speaker 2: I believed him when he was celebrating with his team,
Speaker 2: And I feel like to have the maturity in the
Speaker 2: professionalism in that moment like that, that that's something I'll
Speaker 2: always remember because I don't you could be a phenomenal
Speaker 2: human being and really have a hard time showing that
Speaker 2: you're frustrated that you're not able to play.
Speaker 5: So those things that make you as a player too.
Speaker 2: So then he came back the next year and they
Speaker 2: split duties and sure enough to a got hurt because
Speaker 2: he always got hurt. Still always gets hurt, it seems.
Speaker 2: And he came in in a game I think it
Speaker 2: might have been against Georgia in the SEC Championship maybe,
Speaker 2: or maybe it was you know, a regular I think
Speaker 2: it was the SEC Championship game and Hurts who'd been benched,
Speaker 2: but clearly still you know there, he came in, made
Speaker 2: some big plays for him and they won. So then
Speaker 2: he goes to Oklahoma and you know, puts up insane
Speaker 2: numbers and Oklahoma makes the playoff and what do people say, Well,
Speaker 2: you know, he's still not very good. He's just a
Speaker 2: product of Lincoln Riley. So he ends up getting drafted
Speaker 2: in the second round by the Eagles. Eagles fans hate
Speaker 2: the pick, lost their mind. Yeah, and what does he do?
Speaker 2: He ends up becoming their starter and he led them
Speaker 2: to a super Bowl not once, but now twice. Like
Speaker 2: this guy has And I'm not saying everybody's wrong and
Speaker 2: that he's this, you know, he's got this, you know,
Speaker 2: surgical accuracy. That's just you know, something we've never seen before.
Speaker 2: But he's been doubted as a guy who had a
Speaker 2: lot going for him early on, and all he's done
Speaker 2: is win and last I checked. That's what a quarterback
Speaker 2: is supposed to do, right, Like, you got to be
Speaker 2: able to make plays, and he certainly does that. But
Speaker 2: he's consistent, he's a leader, and I've always kind of
Speaker 2: been a bad of him. I wish he didn't play
Speaker 2: for the Eagles because the Eagles, to be are kind
Speaker 2: of an easy team to dislike.
Speaker 3: But I'll be pulling for him on Sunday.
Speaker 5: Noe, no forget is his coach a super Bowl winning coach.
Speaker 6: Doug Peterson was more or less kind of sticking up
Speaker 6: just to have Carson Wentz come back and run the
Speaker 6: team because I remember when they when they made Carson
Speaker 6: Wentz was having again JIMVP season.
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts has made has made me kind of forget
Speaker 2: about that era, right, like, because they they got back
Speaker 2: to a super Bowl rather quickly, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, mean sure in a few years.
Speaker 2: In a few years, they were right back in the
Speaker 2: super Bowl with a new quarterback. And you know what
Speaker 2: a random super Bowl Nick Foles had, right, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I mean that that's that's got to be one of
Speaker 2: the most random things that's ever happened.
Speaker 3: In the NFL.
Speaker 6: I just remember watching because I lived in Arizona all
Speaker 6: my life, and I remember watching an Arizona game with
Speaker 6: Nick Foles and they were talking about like it was
Speaker 6: a senior year and they were talking about, you know,
Speaker 6: what he can do in the NFL. And they had
Speaker 6: like his little pitcher and he looks like Napoleon Dynamite, right,
Speaker 6: And I'm sitting there looking at this guy, Nick Foles,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, what's this I ever gonna do? You know,
Speaker 6: it's Arizona. You know, they're not like a breeding ground
Speaker 6: for NFL talent. Oh what do you know?
Speaker 2: He ends up getting in the I mean, I forgot.
Speaker 2: And again this is just my memory being bad. I
Speaker 2: guess he was already in Philadelphia for his first stint
Speaker 2: in the league, where he was playing for Chip Kelly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he was really good there, yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then it kind of fell apart that he
Speaker 2: ends up with the Rams the Chiefs, and then back
Speaker 2: with the Eagles. Carson Wentz goes down and he leads
Speaker 2: them to a super Bowl.
Speaker 6: He had that unbelievable snow game. I think it was
Speaker 6: in like twenty twelve where they played the Lions and
Speaker 6: it was just it was a full, like two foot
Speaker 6: of snow. When there's that iconic picture of a Calvin
Speaker 6: Johnson getting up and he's just got like a block
Speaker 6: of ice coming from his helmet. And I remember watching
Speaker 6: that game. But Nick Foles is they were letting it fly, dude,
Speaker 6: And he's one guy that's probably gonna be forgotten about
Speaker 6: an NFL lore but oh, no doubt.
Speaker 5: But it's what a run he is.
Speaker 2: When you look at super Bowl winning quarterbacks, really gosh,
Speaker 2: almost in my lifetime. I mean I wouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to just run through all of them, but I mean
Speaker 2: he would be one that would be very easy to forget,
Speaker 2: especially when years past. Now it kind of it's still
Speaker 2: relatively recent, so you're like, yeah, that was random, But
Speaker 2: like in ten years, I'll have to be reminded about
Speaker 2: this guy because it's other than that Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: His career is kind of easy, easy to forget. Real quick.
Speaker 2: Before we get to break another thing, I want to
Speaker 2: mention about some storylines here from the Super Bowl matchup.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize this, but Sawan Barkley's going to have
Speaker 2: either a really good birthday or really bad birthday because
Speaker 2: his birthday is actually on Super Bowl Sunday, which I
Speaker 2: mean that guy that's been one of the best stories
Speaker 2: and really one of the biggest stories in the NFL
Speaker 2: this season is Barkley moving from New York to Philadelphia
Speaker 2: and having the best season.
Speaker 3: Of his career.
Speaker 5: He's about to have a kid too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll he will turn twenty eight years old, which
Speaker 2: is ancient when it comes to running back years. But man,
Speaker 2: he's still playing at a high level, no doubt. Quick
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Speaker 2: I don't know how I missed this, but apparently when
Speaker 2: Louisville is back at home on Saturday taking on Miami,
Speaker 2: they're gonna honor the two thousand and.
Speaker 3: Five Final four team. Which how has it been twenty
Speaker 3: years since since that happened? Holy pittsnoggle, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had the pittsnoggle of mine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I think of.
Speaker 2: And I remember, I mean, I remember everything about that game.
Speaker 2: I remember just I mean, honestly, I guess now that
Speaker 2: I think back to the stress and just you know,
Speaker 2: the insane comeback that we saw in that game and
Speaker 2: a great finish and really the first final four for
Speaker 2: Louisville in my lifetime, which was special. But at that
Speaker 2: time I was so young, I didn't really I wasn't
Speaker 2: thinking about it, like, well, hopefully they can break through
Speaker 2: here and win this region and get to a final four,
Speaker 2: because you know, that's really hard to do and who
Speaker 2: knows if I'll ever see one. Well, now that I'm
Speaker 2: a little older, beact I'm a lot older. You know,
Speaker 2: those aren't something. Those aren't even if you're a program
Speaker 2: that has, you know, a lot of trips to the
Speaker 2: final four, I mean a lot really. I mean, let's
Speaker 2: look it up as far as the most final fours.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, the Kentucky's, the Carolinas, the kansas
Speaker 2: Is are going to be up there. But even if
Speaker 2: you're like in that next tier where Louisville is, yeah,
Speaker 2: you feel pretty good about where you are. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you know, when you get
Speaker 2: to be my age thirty six, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it's only happened three times in my life. Twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, and two thousand and five, they had two
Speaker 2: Elite eights. That man, they were right there at twenty
Speaker 2: and seventeen with David Pagett and then I'm sorry, twenty
Speaker 2: and eighteen with David Pagett and that crew, and then
Speaker 2: they really brought back the same team the next year
Speaker 2: minus Paget, enter Somato, Samuels and that team. I don't
Speaker 2: know how they lost to Michigan State with Teewell or Clark.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was a special, special team. So I'll
Speaker 2: never forget gore on suits on. I mean, look, it's
Speaker 2: been ten years since Louisville made the second weekend, So
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna take I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna take anything for granted when it comes to
Speaker 2: the tournament for a while, I mean used to just
Speaker 2: be all right, let's hope, you know, let's see what
Speaker 2: kind of draw we can get, and look, we could
Speaker 2: still have fun with that kind of stuff. But I mean,
Speaker 2: this kind of drought, I mean, this has to be
Speaker 2: the longest drought for Louisville basketball since Denny got here
Speaker 2: as far as making it to the second weekend, which
Speaker 2: of course is Sweet sixteen. So anyways, those guys, man,
Speaker 2: they're awesome, They're they're final four, and really not just
Speaker 2: that final four, but really that that that early Patino
Speaker 2: era where he brought in You got to keep in
Speaker 2: mind in in Cisco and Taekwon's freshman season, Larry O's
Speaker 2: freshman season, those guys were playing with Reece Gaines, who
Speaker 2: was a senior, and you know they that was Rick's
Speaker 2: first group of players that really had success here. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're talking about those two guys, by the way, had
Speaker 2: their records broken just a couple of weeks ago by
Speaker 2: Rain Smith and Chucky Hepburn, and those records were there
Speaker 2: for twenty years, twenty seasons essentially, because you know, those
Speaker 2: guys were special, special players. But when I think of
Speaker 2: Louisville basketball, you know, really becoming more prominent or I
Speaker 2: guess getting back to being more prominent, it's that era
Speaker 2: with those guys who played here. I mean, Taekwan was
Speaker 2: here four years, Cisco played three, and it's a special run.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people think of Taekwon, Dean and
Speaker 2: Francisco Garcia when you think of that group, and look,
Speaker 2: those were the star players. But Larry Oh was MVP
Speaker 2: of that region and he played phenomenal in the tournament,
Speaker 2: had such a special senior year. I'm telling you that
Speaker 2: trio of Dean, O'Bannon and Garcia. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: debates that can be had about who the best shooter
Speaker 2: ever is at Louisville. I can tell you who the best,
Speaker 2: who the best trio was. There's no scenario Louisville's ever
Speaker 2: had three guys on the floor that could shoot it
Speaker 2: like Cisco, Taekwon and Larry Oh. I mean those guys,
Speaker 2: I mean they were special and it's rare though. That
Speaker 2: just speaks to Rick being a great coach because he
Speaker 2: knew that he did not have great defenders on that team,
Speaker 2: and Taekwon was dealing with injuries towards the end of
Speaker 2: his career, especially as groin. Larry just wasn't a great
Speaker 2: defender as far as guarding smaller guards, lateral quickness kind
Speaker 2: of thing. But they went to that zone and it worked.
Speaker 2: And how about Ellis Miles, I mean he was about
Speaker 2: as good of a rebounder.
Speaker 3: As you'll see at Louisville. Given how tall he was.
Speaker 2: I mean they may list Ellis at six seven, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure he was that tall. And really, Ellis is
Speaker 2: a great story about Ellis that's a great story when
Speaker 2: it comes to developing under Rick Patino. You know that
Speaker 2: last class that Denny brought in that I remember, and
Speaker 2: I think it might have been it might have been
Speaker 2: the last freshman class that he signed, or maybe the
Speaker 2: second to last class that Denny signed. But it had
Speaker 2: some guys that you know, ended up playing here. But man,
Speaker 2: when they got here, I mean, Ellis wasn't in good shape,
Speaker 2: really out of shape. Luke Widehead ended up becoming a
Speaker 2: good player, but he wasn't great early on. And maybe
Speaker 2: it's just because they were young, but those guys, and
Speaker 2: I feel like there's somebody else that was a part
Speaker 2: of that, you know, that early class for one of
Speaker 2: Denny's last classes, and they developed under Rick. And then
Speaker 2: you throw in, obviously that freshman group that I mentioned
Speaker 2: that had a great run that made it all the
Speaker 2: way to the Final four with you know, Larry and
Speaker 2: Cisco and Taekwon. So gonna be awesome to see those
Speaker 2: guys honored, But gonna make me feel really old to
Speaker 2: know that it's been twenty years since since that Final
Speaker 2: four happened. By the way, I'm not overdoing it here,
Speaker 2: but I've noticed Austin in the last I don't know
Speaker 2: a week or so, because Louisville's clearly unless they fall apart,
Speaker 2: they're going to make the tournament. And that's exciting because
Speaker 2: we were so bad recently. But when I say, and
Speaker 2: I just said it a moment ago, that Louisville has
Speaker 2: not made the second weekend in ten years, like that
Speaker 2: floors people because it's crazy to think about.
Speaker 3: Isn't it.
Speaker 5: And I mean twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: Like nobody's fact checking me.
Speaker 2: But once I say it and they think away, then
Speaker 2: I think within like a second and a half.
Speaker 3: They realized, you know what, You're right, it's been that long.
Speaker 2: So in twenty fifteen is the Elite eight where they
Speaker 2: lost to Michigan State.
Speaker 3: In the UH That was twenty fifteen in Syracuse.
Speaker 2: Yeah that So then the next year was the Damian
Speaker 2: lee team, and of course that team would have made
Speaker 2: the tournament, and we know how that ended. And then
Speaker 2: the next year was David Paget. We know that that
Speaker 2: ended up being a team that just you know, wasn't
Speaker 2: quite good enough to get in.
Speaker 5: So fourth of a second away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Max, I'm sorry. So fifteen, let me back up.
Speaker 2: Seventeen was a really good season. They just got upset
Speaker 2: in the second round by Michigan. That's what happened. So
Speaker 2: Donovan Dingadel, those guys, Race Baulding, they got a two seed,
Speaker 2: had a really good year Rix last year here was
Speaker 2: a really good season. They beat a good Kentucky team
Speaker 2: with Deer and Fox, Malik Monk and Bam out of Bayo,
Speaker 2: and then of course they ended up losing the Michigan.
Speaker 2: And then it was the following season where David Paget
Speaker 2: coach then Max first year they made the tournament, but
Speaker 2: they ended up losing to to Minnesota. Next year they
Speaker 2: were really good, would have been a top four seed easily.
Speaker 2: Didn't have a tournament. Twenty twenty one, they were the
Speaker 2: first team left out. They were essentially in until two
Speaker 2: bidstealers won their tournament. I mean, that's how you had
Speaker 2: Patrick Ewing getting an extension at Georgetown. Terrible deal they made, obviously,
Speaker 2: that's how somebody at Oregon State maybe got a new
Speaker 2: contract because of that. And like, not only is that
Speaker 2: a fluke, that was a weird year where you're going
Speaker 2: to get weird things happening. So they didn't make the
Speaker 2: tournament then, and then of course they haven't been back since.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean when I say that, I'm not
Speaker 2: piling on I just that's one of the many things
Speaker 2: you can throw out there as to why the little
Speaker 2: things that we used to just assume we're going to happen, right,
Speaker 2: like making the tournament, getting at least a decent seed,
Speaker 2: winning one or two games, those things haven't happened in
Speaker 2: a while. So every little bit of this success so
Speaker 2: far for Pat Kelsey in year one has been has
Speaker 2: been a fun ride. And you know, they could lose
Speaker 2: to anybody. They've they've kind of proven that. But I
Speaker 2: think these guys, you know, I trust that they're going
Speaker 2: to bounce back tomorrow against Boston College and you know,
Speaker 2: take advantage of what's left on the schedule, meaning you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to play out of your mind to
Speaker 2: win some of these games. But if you do and
Speaker 2: you win big, who knows how much it can help you.
Speaker 2: But your only scenario in really improving your resume from
Speaker 2: now unto the end of the regular season if you're Louisville,
Speaker 2: is in fact, to blow out some of these bad teams,
Speaker 2: and that really won't mean anything, right, Like, if Louisville
Speaker 2: goes on the road tomorrow and beats Boston College by
Speaker 2: twenty four and they beat Miami, who, by the way,
Speaker 2: they did finally win a game. They beat Notre Dame
Speaker 2: over the weekend. But still they're there. Go they're fade
Speaker 2: worthy in a major way.
Speaker 3: They're bad.
Speaker 2: Miami is so you know, if you beat them by
Speaker 2: twenty something, and again I'm not saying they will, I mean, heck,
Speaker 2: I now look at these games as all right, they
Speaker 2: better come ready to play, because we were just reminded that
Speaker 2: if they don't and other teams play well and make
Speaker 2: big shots and you miss free throws, you can lose.
Speaker 2: That's what happen in Atlanta. But back to the resume,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you beat those teams bad, it really
Speaker 2: won't prove that you're any better than like we already like,
Speaker 2: it's not a prove it moment. It's not like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: they went on the road and beat Miami or n
Speaker 2: C State by twenty Well, those teams are bad. So
Speaker 2: it's kind of, you know, not really a needle mover
Speaker 2: when it comes to the perception of you. And it
Speaker 2: wouldn't change my perception of this team either, to be honest. However,
Speaker 2: it couldn't. It could mess with the metrics, right, like
Speaker 2: a big time beat down against a team you know
Speaker 2: that's that's in that in that.
Speaker 3: Category of being bad. It can still Again, it won't.
Speaker 2: It's not like it's gonna change your seed line, but
Speaker 2: it might improve your net. It might improve the kin palm,
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. All right, let's take a quick
Speaker 2: time out. We'll come back and wrap things up and
Speaker 2: get out of here and again a big night of
Speaker 2: college basketball. I'm looking forward to taking it all in.
Speaker 2: You betting on this Kentucky game, Austin. What's the spread
Speaker 2: in four and a half? Missus zippy State?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Oh, miss oh you know, I'm sorry, oh missus favored.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I told you last week, given Kentucky
Speaker 2: ten and a half at Tennessee seemed crazy.
Speaker 5: They won out right, Yeah, this seems like a good
Speaker 5: spot for Kentucky.
Speaker 2: I know that because they bounced back in these exact
Speaker 2: moments every time. So part of me says, and this
Speaker 2: is where you just gotta just trust your gut and
Speaker 2: don't don't overthink it, because.
Speaker 5: I'll go with Kentucky to cover.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I feel.
Speaker 2: Like it's a no brainer to expect Kentucky to compete
Speaker 2: because they're better than Ole Miss, even though it's on
Speaker 2: the road. However, you got to think eventually they're not
Speaker 2: going to be able to keep answering the bell when
Speaker 2: they're coming off of a loss. So I don't know
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do, but if I did have to wager,
Speaker 2: I'd probably have to say the smart money would be
Speaker 2: on taking the Cats to cover. It feels gross saying it,
Speaker 2: but I think it's the truth. Quick Break will come
Speaker 2: back and wrap it up right here on Sports Talk
Speaker 2: seven ninety.
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Speaker 2: mister Austin DJ Austin Montgomery on the Ones and twos?
Speaker 3: Is that a saying?
Speaker 5: Still?
Speaker 3: I felt very old as soon as I said it.
Speaker 6: I always say on the ones and twos just because
Speaker 6: it sounds so vintag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's you know, I mean, it's it's our era.
Speaker 5: I think on the turntables, Yeah, exactly. Turntable Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I remember as a kid hearing that and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't even know what that means on
Speaker 2: the ones and twos, but it sounds cool. So Luka
Speaker 2: Doncik was introduced in LA today, and obviously that's still
Speaker 2: a big story and I can't figure out if it's
Speaker 2: true or not that the initial tweet I saw was deleted,
Speaker 2: but I did hear on our Fox Sports Radio National
Speaker 2: update from the anchor in LA that they ran with
Speaker 2: it too. I'm seeing others running with it, so nothing
Speaker 2: surprises me when you find out that it's fake. But
Speaker 2: apparently the Dallas Mavericks have offered briefunds for the remaining
Speaker 2: home games this season to fans who have canceled their
Speaker 2: season tickets. That's value to be around two thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: So I mean that that's unprecedented if in fact that
Speaker 2: is true. But my guess would be there going to say, look,
Speaker 2: we understand we did give up in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night of generational talent. That really, I mean, Luca
Speaker 2: is gonna be better than Dirk. I mean he just is.
Speaker 2: I mean, Dirk's great, but like to just trade him.
Speaker 2: It just still doesn't seem real. But it did happen,
Speaker 2: So maybe they're just gonna say, hey, look, we get it,
Speaker 2: but we think we're gonna have a good product that
Speaker 2: you're gonna like and support, so we'll refund you for
Speaker 2: the rest of the season. And we think you're gonna
Speaker 2: like this team so much you're gonna come back and
Speaker 2: watch Kyrie and Clay and Ad. But yeah, the surprise
Speaker 2: is still still something that a lot of folks are
Speaker 2: talking about. But Fox Sports they put together the biggest,
Speaker 2: biggest Yeah, this is from Fox Sports. This is the
Speaker 2: most shocking trades of all time. They have Luca at
Speaker 2: number one. And there's someone here that that I'll take
Speaker 2: their word for it, but I don't remember or just
Speaker 2: don't care.
Speaker 3: But Babe, Ruth to.
Speaker 2: The Yankees from the Red Sox, that happened in nineteen twenty,
Speaker 2: got to tell you don't remember that. And then way
Speaker 2: Gretzky in nineteen what year was it? Gretzky in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty eight, the year I was born, from the Oilers
Speaker 2: to the to the Kings. Don't remember that that that's
Speaker 2: a long time ago. But he's such a I mean again,
Speaker 2: these these shocking trades that take place on this list,
Speaker 2: and I'll run through them. It it's usually guys that
Speaker 2: got traded before anybody knew they were, you know, legendary,
Speaker 2: or guys that you know, are just really good players
Speaker 2: and you can't believe in any point in their career,
Speaker 2: old or young, that anybody would give them up.
Speaker 3: But Will Chamberlain was traded to the six to the
Speaker 3: Sixers and sixty five.
Speaker 5: And then this one.
Speaker 2: I don't remember it, but I do, you know, it's
Speaker 2: certainly one that's been talked about. Herschel Walker being traded
Speaker 2: from the Cowboys to the Vikings in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 6: Well, that's that's that's the pick they gave. Cowboy's like
Speaker 6: a Viking right there.
Speaker 2: Yes, in this trade, I mean it worked out, and
Speaker 2: I don't remember it being that big of a shock though.
Speaker 2: Kevin Garnett getting traded from the Tea Wolves to the Celtics,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a big NBA guy. I mean he
Speaker 2: had grown insanely frustrated and bitter towards Minnesota. I believe
Speaker 2: therefore it wasn't that big.
Speaker 3: Of a shock.
Speaker 2: In fact, they were the first to do it, meaning yeah,
Speaker 2: the first Big Three. Yeah, I mean Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett,
Speaker 2: and Paul Pierce and then you throw Rondo in there.
Speaker 2: They had a hell of a run. So the Celtics
Speaker 2: got a title out of that. And after that, the
Speaker 2: trade that sent those two guys, Garnett and Piers to Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: that to this day is one of the worst trades
Speaker 2: in the history of sports, just because of what Brooklyn
Speaker 2: gave up for a couple of old dudes that were
Speaker 2: clearly well past their prime. This this one was a
Speaker 2: big shock. Shaquille O'Neil going to the Heat from the Lakers,
Speaker 2: just because Shaq when he first got to Miami was
Speaker 2: still like insanely dominant. And you know Shaq, I mean Shack.
Speaker 2: Shaquille O'Neil was good when he was big, big Shack.
Speaker 2: But man, Orlando, Shaq was like something I've never seen before.
Speaker 2: A Rod from the Rangers to the to the Yan
Speaker 2: I remember that being a big deal. Randy Moss from
Speaker 2: the Patriots to the to the I'm sorry, from the
Speaker 2: Raiders to the Patriots. And then last but not least,
Speaker 2: the Mariners traded King Griffey Junior to the Reds.
Speaker 3: So anyways, we're out of time, Enjoy your night.
Speaker 5: Everybody