WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:47.119 Odoves are Hey, good cult members. 2 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:49.439 Just before we get started with the show, we did 3 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:52.159 or we do have a gentleman coming on by the 4 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:56.600 name of Danny Gohler, and he created a documentary that 5 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:58.119 is going to be coming out towards the end of 6 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:01.679 this year, and he has a trailer that is able 7 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:03.840 for anybody to go and watch. I'm actually going to 8 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:05.719 play it now, so it kind of gives a little 9 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:08.000 bit of context about what we're gonna be talking about. 10 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:12.760 So yeah, I'm gonna play that right now, and we'll 11 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:15.519 check it out and we'll get into the show. 12 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:28.120 I remember things very vividly from a very young age. 13 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:31.599 When I was a little kid, I actually spent a 14 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:35.239 lot of time with my grandparents. My grandfather was a 15 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:40.079 nuclear physicist. I remember he was telling me about. 16 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:46.280 Black holes and that terrified me. I was like, that's 17 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:47.439 just mind boggling. 18 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:51.640 It's a monster, right, But at the same time it 19 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:56.319 fascinated me, and I said to myself, how do we 20 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:58.959 know that this unthinkably massive thing. 21 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:07.200 I realized that nature doesn't keep secrets. It's only a 22 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:08.039 matter of do. 23 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:14.240 We understand what tools can we use to expand our knowledge? 24 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:23.520 And for me, that methol triptween, also known as d MT. 25 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:34.639 It was the tool that led me to the discovery. 26 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.520 When I first saw the phenomenon, it was like holy shit. 27 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.199 But then it was actually like whoa, what is happening? 28 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:52.719 Am I losing my mind? 29 00:02:56.719 --> 00:03:01.360 But then I showed other people and things kept getting weirder. 30 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.759 Just for the record, I haven't told him anything. Okay, 31 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:10.800 just tell me what you see. Oh my god, come on, 32 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:17.520 oh god, fuck, holy shit. I just saw some food. 33 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:21.919 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what the fuck? 34 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:22.840 Oh? 35 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:23.599 I see that. 36 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:24.960 I feel it. 37 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:29.319 I've been under the influence of mind altering substances a lot, 38 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:32.000 but I've never seen anything like that. 39 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:34.159 Whoa. 40 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:40.000 I showed over one hundred people, and I kept asking myself, 41 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:42.280 how are all of us seeing the same thing? 42 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.080 Oh my god? It changed in shapes right there. 43 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:51.759 The laser was revealing numbers and letters running in a pattern. 44 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:55.840 I remembers, like this big here, and it looked like code. 45 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:58.599 It looked like programming code. 46 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.800 It's definitely something, and I just want to take a 47 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:03.400 bature of its translated. 48 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:09.400 Wow, you see that? Okay, So yeah, it's not stuck. No, 49 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:12.159 it's not because of the lot. No, it's on its own. 50 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:15.479 Side light is just the way reviewing it, and each. 51 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:19.040 Angle shows you different layers, different ways through it. 52 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:23.079 I can see through the wall. It's not like a hallucination. 53 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:25.560 It has spatial awareness and permanence. 54 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:27.600 I don't know whoa. 55 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:32.199 For centuries, man kind is attempted to explore these psychedelic 56 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.759 altered states, but we've never had a repeatable, testable phenomenon 57 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:38.399 to observe until now. 58 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:48.079 It's you can see through the laser into another dimension. 59 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:55.959 I mean, like, take yourself to that. 60 00:04:56.199 --> 00:05:00.279 Like I just made a connection and nobody made before, 61 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:05.160 which is a simple connection. The claim is if you 62 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.800 project a diffracted laser on the surface and you smoke 63 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:13.879 the mt you will see code running in surfaces, yes, 64 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:14.839 like in the matrix. 65 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:21.680 So there are a few possibilities. One, I lost my mind. 66 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:25.519 Which is the coolest losing your mind ever in history. 67 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.519 The second option is that this is the biggest discovery 68 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:33.319 of humankind. If anybody ever asked themselves what it would 69 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:35.120 be like to know you live in the matrix for sure? 70 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:40.839 Well I know, for sure. I'm convinced. So where do 71 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:45.279 we go from here? All I know is it's about 72 00:05:45.279 --> 00:06:01.000 to get created. How beautiful is this? This is an 73 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.959 experiment in quantum mechanics called the double slit experiment. 74 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:06.199 But I really didn't expect to see this when I 75 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:06.959 did it myself. 76 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:09.839 Hello, and welcome to the show. 77 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:13.600 This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is 78 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:18.759 Jonathan and today we have the man, the myth, the legend, 79 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.439 Danny Gohler. Welcome to the Cult of Conspiracy for the 80 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:22.879 first time. 81 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:24.800 Brother, Thank you so much for having me. Brother. 82 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:26.000 We have the energy. 83 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:28.600 Yeah, dude, we are so excited to have this kind 84 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.759 of conversation. It was about a few months ago you 85 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:35.319 came on to my Meta Mysteries podcast and we had 86 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:36.600 such a good conversation. 87 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:38.240 Electro Nick came. 88 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.879 On and smoked a little DMD and that a crazy 89 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:42.040 little experiment there. 90 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:43.639 That was a lot of fun. 91 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:47.079 But you know, for anybody that doesn't know you or 92 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:50.959 hasn't seen the trailer for the Discovery, could you tell 93 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:53.000 them a little bit about it about you know, just 94 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:55.360 the roundabout story with it. 95 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:58.040 I'm the guy that discovered that if you projected effected 96 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:02.240 laser on the surface and you smoked DMP, you see 97 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:05.600 code running behind the projection of the light. And I 98 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:08.959 became vocal about the subject maybe three and a half 99 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:12.519 years ago maybe and ever since then. Basically, you know, 100 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.199 things were kind of ramping up and people were talking 101 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.160 about it, and then at a certain point, a director 102 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:20.879 by the name of Aaron Venden reached out to me. 103 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:26.040 Shout out to to Aaron is incredible, and he created 104 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.600 he started working in the documentary about the film. He 105 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.560 created this little trailer that most people who know about 106 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:35.319 the project probably know about it through the trailer, and 107 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:39.399 that one went viral and then went more viral than Joe. 108 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:42.600 Rogan kind of blurped it out, and then after that 109 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:44.720 it just went, you know, all over the place. 110 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:46.680 And then have you been on Brogan yet? 111 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:49.920 No, but he did mention the that he's aware of 112 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.120 the I went to Danny on the Danny Jones podcast 113 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:55.319 a couple of times. Yeah, I know that Danny sent 114 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:58.439 him the first conversation, he said that I checked this out, 115 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:02.680 to which I know Joe respondent, holy shit. And then 116 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:06.120 basically I know that he probably knows about it from 117 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:09.680 that and he kind of mentioned it. He didn't mention me, 118 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.720 but he mentioned the project and what we're doing, and uh, yeah, 119 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:15.279 So that's that's where it's at with Joe. 120 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:19.360 That's crazy, you know, and most people are familiar with 121 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:22.600 even DMT for the most part, because Joe Rogan was 122 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:24.480 talking about it. That was the first time I ever 123 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:26.120 heard about it was with him talking. 124 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:27.680 I'm the same way, which is funny because when I 125 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:29.680 will eventually go and jo Organ, it would be hilarious 126 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:33.159 because it's like a full circle because I know about DMT, 127 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.080 not even from Terrence, but from Joe. There's this famous 128 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:38.559 I don't know if I mentioned it last time when 129 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:42.440 I was on your podcast, but there's this famous Everybody 130 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:43.679 should go and look it up. It's one of the 131 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:48.879 best DMT rants of all time. Joe Rogan, Ohio Radio DMT. 132 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.320 Just look it up. It's it's like it's before you 133 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:56.600 had the show. It's this crazy nine minute rant about DMT. 134 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:58.200 Was back with the young Joe Rogan. 135 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:00.960 Right, yeah, so that wasn't an eight I think seven? 136 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.480 Okay, Okay, So all right, I have so many questions 137 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:07.679 for you before we even talk about the documentary, before 138 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.840 we talk about what you have found on this, on 139 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.240 the whole spectrum of all this. Okay, So Di Methyl 140 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:18.799 Trip to Mean aka DMT. Correct, Okay, So we understand 141 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.200 that our brains release DMT. When we dream, we understand 142 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:25.559 certain plants, we can ingest them and they can give 143 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:28.799 us that same type of feeling. I myself have a 144 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:33.200 little small bit of experience with four aco DMT. Jonathan 145 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:36.799 is somebody who has ingested pure DMT and has had 146 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:40.440 a variety of effects. Now I want to ask you, 147 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:45.600 as a would you consider yourself a psychonaut or what's 148 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:48.000 the word a psychedelic? 149 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:49.600 Yeah, a psychsychonot Yeah. 150 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.440 I think most people would categorize me as that. I'm 151 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.240 trying to stew away from these kind of labels. 152 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.919 Slash titles curious stigma, right, because it is. 153 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:01.799 So see it's people with certain things. I guess I'm 154 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:06.159 one of the more well versed psychonauts. I mean, you know, 155 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:10.559 visited the space thousands of times, so definitely one of 156 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:13.600 the people that you know. And I've been doings since 157 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:16.879 I was very young, So even though I'm only forty two, 158 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.240 I've done like that was for the last thirty years, 159 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.279 so I have thirty years of experience and you know, 160 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:25.320 so usually that's the kind of stuff that usually people 161 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:28.120 that are sixty that they can claim. But I'm there, 162 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:32.039 so I guess in that sense, yes, But The reason 163 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:33.720 that I try to stay away from that is because 164 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:40.000 psychonauts and people who kind of define themselves as psychonauts, 165 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:44.360 they usually belong to a particular kind of culture. There's 166 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:46.600 nothing wrong with the culture, I just it's not my 167 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.559 attitude towards this whole thing or in general. I think 168 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:53.519 it should squarely be fitted within humans understanding of reality 169 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:57.600 as a whole. So I would consider what we're doing 170 00:10:57.679 --> 00:11:01.559 more of new flavor of physics, even though nothing is 171 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:06.000 really outside of regular physics in the older sense of physics, 172 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.240 which is just the understanding of the world. Whatever it is. 173 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:11.000 It doesn't have to be physical necessarily. And we were 174 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.960 actually like kind of bouncing around some potential titles for it. 175 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:19.159 As the Carter, my partner, he really loves Wait, what's 176 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:22.799 the thing that really logos physics? To me, it feels 177 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:24.000 a little bit philosophical. 178 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:24.440 I love it. 179 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:27.080 I love the war logos. I told them, what if 180 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:30.120 we just piss everybody off and we call it actual physics? 181 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:32.440 No, And I. 182 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:35.480 Like it like that as far as like, psychedelics have 183 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:38.639 a certain cultural stigma associated with them. Right now, you 184 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.759 talk about like the psychedelic craze of the sixties or 185 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:45.480 the seventies is completely different than the psychedelic craze of 186 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.200 the early two thousands or the twenty teens, right, And 187 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.720 so there is a sort of stigma or or identity 188 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.879 that's associated with them, and so you're not identifying with 189 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:59.200 any of that. You're looking at it for the the 190 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.519 true profound effects it can have on the individual. 191 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:06.240 If I'm not mistaken you exactly, I'm trying to understand reality. 192 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:09.279 M That's it. 193 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:12.480 That's all, dude. I say that all the time. 194 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.759 I'm trying to understand this reality and get out of 195 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.440 And there's nothing wrong with believing a story or another 196 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:21.960 story or anything, but if you can come at it 197 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:25.080 in a very subjective type of way and just look 198 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:28.039 around and be like, yo, this there's something to this place, 199 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.840 you know how our coincidences and synchronicities and like all 200 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:36.720 the weird things that seemingly like mathematically shouldn't be happening 201 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:40.919 on a regular basis, yet people are noticing them all 202 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:45.240 the time. And with you being able to shine the 203 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:51.720 laser through the glass well is reflected, no reflected, diffracted 204 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:54.039 and shine it up on a wall and for you 205 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:58.440 to notice that and see almost like the coding of 206 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.960 this matrix type reality. Are you of the belief that, 207 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:05.279 after all of your research and all of your experiences, 208 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:08.240 are you of the belief that this absolutely is some 209 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:09.159 kind of matrix. 210 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.120 Okay, so there's a few things tangled in there. I'll 211 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:17.879 trying to unravel them for a second. So the first one, 212 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:23.399 let me just answer your question directly. First, Yes, but 213 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.720 that's not necessarily because what we see in the laser. 214 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:30.559 So the laser I wasn't just to give people a 215 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.200 little bit of a background. That can obviously watch the 216 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.200 trailer or visit codoreality dot com where we have most 217 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:42.360 of the information on. But I'm not. I wasn't. I 218 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:44.960 didn't have hazardly came across this thing. It's not like 219 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.120 a laser was on and I happened to smoke DMT 220 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:48.360 and I saw it in the corner of my eye. 221 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:49.720 I wait, holy shit, what is that? 222 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.080 I'm glad you're breaking this down because that was gonna 223 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:54.759 be one of my questions is why and how did 224 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:57.720 you happen to stare into the laser on a wall 225 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:00.879 while you were tripping on DMT like that? But I 226 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.200 understand like being at a rave seeing the lays of 227 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.799 light show of it and you're tripping and like cool coo, cool, 228 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:07.879 I get it, But like that is that's not what's 229 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.200 happening here, that's not what you are showing. That's not 230 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.200 the way to peer through the other side of the veil, 231 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.159 so to speak. So like how did you even find this? 232 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:23.519 I was looking for it. So it's the full story 233 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:25.639 is long, and that's why there's a whole documentary about 234 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:29.480 it because it's stretched over way over six years. Probably 235 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:31.919 the full story stretches over eleven years. So it's a 236 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:34.320 long story of how I came to it, and all 237 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:36.399 the steps are necessary because it had to do with 238 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:40.120 certain levels of nosis, certain levels of realization and intuition, 239 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:44.399 but coupled with my understanding of the world, with the 240 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:46.519 mentory understanding of physics and what we know and what 241 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.519 we don't know, and that that kind of led me 242 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:54.919 through this journey to answer to ask the question seriously, 243 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.000 so like can we discern is this a real space 244 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:00.360 or not a real space? And some people even bite 245 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:02.000 the bullet here and they kind of, you know, start 246 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:03.440 playing this language, and it's like, well, what do you 247 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:06.480 mean by real? Well as real as a rock that 248 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:09.000 can nature on the head how's that you know that that's. 249 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:10.080 What even is real? 250 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:14.240 Right, because that's that's up to conjecture in that's perspective based. 251 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:16.600 I feel you, yeah, but I mean, like there is 252 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:19.120 such a thing, right, So, like there's a difference between 253 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:22.320 what you imagine and the fact that you can't walk 254 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:24.840 through the wall. Even if you want to postulate the 255 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:28.600 idea that everything ultimately is mine or we are all 256 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:32.519 part part of some kind of universal entity, all of 257 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:35.279 it is fine, but then there's you still have to 258 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:38.279 explain the difference within that frame. Why is it that 259 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:40.799 you can't walk through the wall. And again, this is 260 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.000 where I kind of I don't really follow people towards 261 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.039 these like avenues of like, well, you don't know, but 262 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:46.879 maybe you can walk through the walls. Like okay, well 263 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:49.559 you do that, you come back to me. But in 264 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:55.200 the meanwhile, right here, let's think about what that actually means. Right, So, 265 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:58.360 when you go through the DMT space famously, and you 266 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.399 said you have a little bit of experience, some of 267 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.240 your listeners who have less or more experience would know 268 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.240 DMT is unique in that it feels very real. And 269 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:10.200 then people who never done MT before, to them, it's 270 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:11.799 kind of hard to explain. What do you even mean 271 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.159 by that? Like more real than real? What does that mean? Well, 272 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:16.279 kind of the same thing, like when you wake up 273 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.240 from a dream and it feels more real than this 274 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.080 same thing goes one level up, right, Yeah, And I 275 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:25.120 asked myself, is there a way to determine whether it 276 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:29.639 is actually real or is it a really sophisticated trick 277 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.440 of the mind. And that's what that was the aim, 278 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:37.399 And then I based it on some first principles assumptions. 279 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:39.559 One of them was that light must have been involved, 280 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:41.559 because I can see it with my eyes. The other 281 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:43.519 one was that if the space is real, it must 282 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:46.480 have some rules by which it's operating, otherwise it would 283 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:49.759 be indistinguishable from just chaos and nonsense. And if so, 284 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.480 then it would have a geometry that you can measure 285 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:55.159 and you can talk about mathematically, and it would have topology, 286 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.120 and it would have an entry point of some sort. 287 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:01.879 And because we sometimes seems to see it, sometimes we don't, 288 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:05.960 that's an important distinction, right. So these were kind of 289 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:09.359 my guiding principles, and then I follow that across many 290 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:13.559 many years, which eventually the exact details would take us 291 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:19.000 pretty far. But the short version is. I followed these 292 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:22.000 ideas for years, and eventually they led me to the 293 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:24.519 idea that if you projected diffractive laser on the surface, 294 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:26.680 something is supposed to happen. I didn't even know what, 295 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:28.880 but it was clear to me, like, no, like that's 296 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.240 what it means, Like there's some function of light with diffraction. 297 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:38.400 It must do something. And then tried it worked, and 298 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.519 then I've been showing people and everybody started seeing the 299 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:43.519 same thing, which is unheard of now just a one 300 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:45.640 cavey out there, because it's important for me to mention. 301 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:50.519 For to be fair, there is a percentage of people 302 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.920 that don't see it that easily in the beginning. It 303 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:55.359 takes them some time. They kind of they don't really 304 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:58.000 know how to focus properly. We're now kind of zoning 305 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.799 in and trying to figure out what exacts exactly is 306 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:05.039 it that causes that for some people, because some people 307 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:06.960 see it right away, some people see it after five minutes, 308 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.160 thirty minutes, and some people take from like many, many, 309 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:13.200 many tries, but eventually everybody sees the same thing, and 310 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.359 from that moment on, it's never different. It's always exactly 311 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.440 what you see, and it's extremely coherent and you can 312 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:22.640 talk about it, you can talk about real objects. And just 313 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:26.559 to tie tie in the point I was making before, 314 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.079 which is that when I discovered this, it became clear 315 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:33.799 to me that there's an incomplete there's some kind of 316 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:38.799 an issue of Vinn diagrams here that you have to 317 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:41.880 paint the caricature version of the picture. You have half 318 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:46.119 of the people like full on psychonauts who just kind 319 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:50.319 of and you're exactly correct that the flavor of psychoonts 320 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:54.599 and the now are very different than the hippies of 321 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:55.319 the sixties. 322 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.480 I'll say the generation of and I don't necessarily mean 323 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:01.440 age bracket. Age is nothing a number, and I fully 324 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:04.200 understand that. Yeah, somebody who is sixty five who's just 325 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.039 trying mushrooms for the first time might have a very 326 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:09.480 similar experience to somebody who's twenty one and is trying 327 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:11.880 mushrooms for the first time. So like, it's not an 328 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:14.759 age thing or maturity thing. It is more or less 329 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:17.680 a cultural stigma associated with them. 330 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:21.680 Yeah, but it kind of splits you're right, and then 331 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:25.599 it splits people also to these different facets. Like before 332 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:32.720 the flavors were spiritual, connecting to nature, all of that stuff, right, 333 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:37.119 So now you have that, but it has a slightly 334 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:40.079 different kind of like evolve, right, And then you have 335 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:45.440 the people who are I guess, I don't know what 336 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:47.119 you want to say, like more on the spectrum more like, 337 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:50.920 but they're more it's much more cynical in nature. 338 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:54.039 It's like you can't even surprise it with that one 339 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.759 a little bit, which you mean more by more cynical, 340 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:58.160 dive in on this one, bro. 341 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:00.279 Oh, you have if you go to an any of 342 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.359 the actual like you know, subreddits that are specifically it's 343 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:08.720 a much more of a been there, done that one 344 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.920 upsmanship kind of like you can't really surprise me with anything. 345 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:14.559 I've seen the crazier thing. No, I've seen the crazier thing. No, 346 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:15.880 I've seen the crazy thing. 347 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:22.359 Which is crazy because the entire concept of psycho everything, 348 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:24.839 as far as as the hallucinogenics go. 349 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:26.119 Is to kill the ego. 350 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.000 But my god, does the Internet have these people egoically 351 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:31.160 one upping each other? 352 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:33.480 Everybody has the answers. 353 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.200 It's it's crazy because that is the exact opposite of 354 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:39.720 what is supposed to occur like that, like and so 355 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:42.799 you know, that's that's kind of an issue. Whenever you 356 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:46.000 get somebody who it's not necessarily an issue. It's cool 357 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:49.480 to learn from certain people's experiences, but whenever somebody is 358 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:53.680 always trying to tell a better story in some kind 359 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.759 of way, it's like, dude, you're ruining my experience by 360 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:58.279 I'm trying to tell you this story. 361 00:20:58.319 --> 00:20:58.519 You know. 362 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:01.720 Yeah, but this is why. I'll be honest, I get it. 363 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:05.160 I'm personally not bigger trip reports. A lot of people 364 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:07.240 ask me to do my own trip reports, and I'm like, 365 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:10.119 I can't imagine why you would care what my experience was. 366 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:12.319 People say, no, no, no, no, tell me. I'm like, okay, 367 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:16.359 but I personally don't understand it, Like who cares? Like 368 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:18.920 it's like, okay, so you've been to this place. Great, 369 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:22.279 How is it not clear to you that the kind 370 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:25.119 of content that it can create is literally infinite? So 371 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:27.200 what is the value of you telling me you met 372 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:31.319 a purple girlfriend? Who cares? It's like, it's like, I 373 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:33.960 went to New York. Okay. So if I'm telling you so, 374 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:37.640 usually i'll tell you why. It's usually very boring because 375 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:40.039 for the most part, people tell it as if telling 376 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:42.680 you that it was a purple girlfriend, as if that's amazing. 377 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:46.440 It isn't. What would be amazing is if you tell 378 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:50.079 me something that truly connects to either a deep understanding 379 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:52.880 of the world in some way that is tangible and actionable, 380 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:55.240 or you give me some kind of an insight that 381 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:57.920 I can see you caring more than just your virtue signal. 382 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:00.039 So you're not just telling me about it, but I 383 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.440 can see you've truly been transformed. And not because you 384 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:05.480 breathe more now and you talk to me like this, 385 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:09.200 but because there's something about your behavior that is truly 386 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.799 different than what I've seen before, then it would be interesting. 387 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:13.920 So the reason I don't care about my trip reports 388 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:16.920 or anybody else's trip report is because these things are 389 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:20.000 completely arbitrary. It's not where the substance, it's not where 390 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:23.319 the meat is. And this is why when I ask 391 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:25.759 myself the question about the you know, can we answer 392 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:27.759 the question? It was clear to me at least that 393 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:31.359 the answer has to be focusing on what the space 394 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:35.200 has to offer, and then what can we extract, generalize 395 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:39.240 and abstract from it that is not connected to just 396 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:41.559 the content of what you've seen. It's like Terrence mccinnugh 397 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:44.480 famously used to say, people say the colors. The colors, 398 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:47.119 forget the colors malarky. That's one of these famous kind 399 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:50.440 of sticks where it's like, it's not the colors, it's 400 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:54.880 what is it telling you, right, And there's a very 401 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:58.119 big tendency of people to connect it to some arbitrary 402 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:02.240 ideas they already had, so then they immediately like, you know, 403 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:05.559 just project everything that they thought. They then it means 404 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.519 this or that, or the Egyptians or that. I was like, dude, 405 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:12.319 you don't know this, right, So like, just give it 406 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:14.000 a second to be what it is instead of you 407 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:15.960 telling it what it is. And if you can do 408 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:19.759 this for years, not a couple of times, it will 409 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:22.640 start revealing to you what it really is, which is 410 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:27.839 there's operational parts of it that are actually rigid, as 411 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:31.039 rigid as physical space. You can rely on that you 412 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:35.160 can navigate through, that you can communicate with it to 413 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:38.000 some degree with some amount of accuracy. But it's almost 414 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:40.720 like you build a map of something that you can 415 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:44.039 repeat and you can actually share. For the most part, 416 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:47.960 I've have I met anybody that truly can do this. 417 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:50.519 I honestly want to say that maybe to be fair, 418 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.240 because I don't remember at the moment. Let's say I 419 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:54.559 met a couple of people at the moment, I can't 420 00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:56.559 even recall those. But let's say I met a couple 421 00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:59.119 of people that can do that. Aside from those two 422 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:01.759 that I just leaving for the benefit of the doubt 423 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.759 for a second, I don't know anybody. I never met 424 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:07.799 one person that could deliver on this claim. They always 425 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.039 say no, no, no, like trust like I can do 426 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:12.480 like this thing, I can repeat it like nobody that 427 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:14.599 I ever met can do that. It's just it's not 428 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.839 what it does. Now. Actually, here's the one of the 429 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:21.559 examples that it's a good thing I reserved to these couple. Definitely, 430 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:23.960 people who've been doing it for thousands of years developed 431 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.960 these techniques. So like Shaman's definitely developed a technology to 432 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:31.720 talk to it through ecoros, for example, in ayahuasca, right, 433 00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:35.400 So like through certain songs, through certain ceremonies. They can 434 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:39.359 actually repeat certain things, including the healing process, including even 435 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:42.559 invoking certain patterns that many people can see it once 436 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.799 that I would say squarely fits in the category of hey, 437 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:49.119 they figured something out, they understood something about the space, 438 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:52.759 but it took them thousands of years, right, and here 439 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:57.079 we are. This is the trend, Right, everybody did mushrooms 440 00:24:57.079 --> 00:24:59.359 once and now they're posting on Instagram that they're enlightened 441 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.799 or they're oh, they're like, that's just crazy. Like and 442 00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:08.000 I said it to a good friend of mine. She's 443 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:14.799 very well natured, she's great, but there's this little thing 444 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:17.119 that is a little delusional, right, And I'm like, well, 445 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:20.319 let's think about this for a second. If you would 446 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:24.160 need an advice on anything right now, and it was serious, 447 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:27.319 who would you go to to an expert? Right? Somebody 448 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:29.799 who spent their whole life, for the majority of their life, 449 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.440 like really studying whatever it is that you're trying to understand. Sure, 450 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.440 people that are the true experts of not just like 451 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:39.960 the expert, but just like introspection monks. Right, how many 452 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.039 monks do you know running around and saying that they're enlightened. 453 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:45.920 I've never even met a monk you know, that would 454 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:47.279 claim that for themselves. 455 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.240 Most of them are trying to achieve enlightenment. 456 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:52.680 And they've been doing it for thirty years. Yeah, So 457 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:55.720 what makes you think, what a the likelihood? What is 458 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.559 the likelihood that you figured something out that they haven't. Yes, 459 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:02.359 and now you get to just be a teacher in 460 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:05.160 that space. There's no problem with being a teacher in 461 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:10.160 that space, but the owning of that part of the 462 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:13.279 humility that is very important. I don't see it enough. 463 00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:16.240 So this brings us full circle to what I'm actually 464 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.160 claiming to your question about the code. The only thing 465 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:22.240 I'm putting on the table with absolute certainty is that 466 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.920 the code is as real as Jupiter is there. It's real, real, 467 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:28.720 like real, real, like you and I like the bottle, 468 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:31.640 like whatever it is that you're holding. Forget for a second, 469 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:34.160 a whole, but this is all maya, let's put that 470 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.920 for a second aside. Okay, it's real. It's like the 471 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:39.680 physical matter that you're touching right now. That's the only 472 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:41.720 thing I'm saying. Do I know what this code is 473 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.240 actually doing? Is it coding for the actual constituents of reality? 474 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:47.119 All that stuff? Of course I don't know. How can 475 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:48.880 I possibly know. We're working on that. We have to 476 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:51.160 figure out what it is yet. But that's the only 477 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:54.119 thing I'm putting on the table aslute, with absolute certainty. 478 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:58.240 And again, the people who get kind of really uncomfortable 479 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:00.960 what I'm claiming with that amount of certainty, I'm putting 480 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.599 myself in that chair. Don't worry, Time will tell, right. 481 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.400 I'm not asking you to accept it. But so that's 482 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.240 one and the other one is yes, we're absolutely living 483 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:14.440 in a computational environment. It's just with one modulo that 484 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.279 what that means is much more than what most people 485 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:20.000 assume it means. It's not like in the movie that 486 00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:21.799 we're prisoners in some kind of a matrix and we 487 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:24.000 need to break out into some kind of a base reality. 488 00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.680 There is no base reality. It is all computational. In fact, 489 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.359 if anything, I always say it's the matrix upside down. 490 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.759 You have the real world that is the computational world, 491 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:36.759 and what experience is a subset of that. It's a 492 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:40.319 smaller version inside of the bigger world, computational world that 493 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.000 we call physical because we're used to it. But it 494 00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:46.400 is actually the less real world. So it's like it's 495 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:50.000 not not real, it's just it's a spot. 496 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:55.119 Was an individual to the entire pace, big possibility space. 497 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.920 But that was shown to me directly, so it was 498 00:27:58.039 --> 00:27:59.920 over years of collecting. This is something. It was pointed 499 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:01.839 out to me by my fiance. She said, you know that, 500 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:04.319 because she's seen the coade. She's like, you know, I 501 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.839 don't necessarily think that the code automatically tells you this 502 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:08.680 is a simulation, and then I have to think about it. 503 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:10.720 It's like, I think you're right. I think it's because 504 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.440 I've already collected so many other data points together and 505 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:17.680 it was literally shown to me. Now this is where 506 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.640 see the trip reports. Right. I don't expect anybody to 507 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.839 just accept what I'm saying, because if you have an 508 00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:24.559 experience it, why would it be real for you? 509 00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:24.799 Right? 510 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:29.759 But that's where my conviction comes from, Hey, Cosmo, because 511 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:34.759 because I've seen it directly and I'm count Look, I'm 512 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:38.319 completely open to the possibility that whomever is communicating this 513 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:40.440 is the other thing. Hold On, the dogs are going 514 00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:40.839 ape shit. 515 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.559 Hold On, he said Cosmo. 516 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:44.160 I was like, Yo, do you have a You have 517 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:46.960 the fairly odd parents who got the Cosmo and Wanda action. 518 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:51.559 Over there is an average kid. That is why I. 519 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:55.279 Carry a pink and green headband for anybody who's curious. 520 00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.200 If anybody's watched the show on Patreon, just so you 521 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.680 know why I wear a pink and green that's Wanda 522 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:02.759 right there. You know, I'm I'm trying to live my 523 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:04.759 best Timmy Turner life. 524 00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.559 You know, Danny, I wanted to ask you though, because 525 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.759 you were talking about how this could possibly be a 526 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.519 lesser reality compared to whatever the whole but. 527 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.559 A part of yeah, a sliver of the bigger. 528 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.279 Thing, right, And that actually perfectly fits in with the 529 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:23.799 idea of like neoplatonism. 530 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:25.519 Have you looked into neoplatonism before? 531 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.200 Yes, But what specifically about it invokes that idea for you? 532 00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:33.079 Well, that there's a source, which in neoplatonism they call 533 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.759 the One, and it emanates on in it whenever it 534 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.839 emanates to just picture the One or the Source or 535 00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:43.160 whatever as just a giant light bulb, right, and that 536 00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:49.319 light is shining onto other things, and it's almost creating 537 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:51.079 some kind of. 538 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.160 What would be the term, some kind. 539 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:59.440 Of projection of itself into other realms and so and 540 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:01.519 and But there's there's multiple levels of it. So you 541 00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.519 would have the one, which would be the main source. 542 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.839 Then you'd have what they call the noose, and the 543 00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:11.160 noos is like basically almost a perfect emanation of the 544 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:14.039 original source. And then you have what they call the 545 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.000 Oh god, it's been a minute since I looked into it, 546 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:21.039 but basically it there's like four levels and we are 547 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.839 at the fourth level being in physical reality, being the 548 00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:27.640 farthest possible emanation from the source. 549 00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:30.920 But we are the source. We're all part of the 550 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:31.599 same thing. 551 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:36.440 It's just that this version of reality is the most 552 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:42.240 densest version of the original source. It's really hard to understand, 553 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:43.720 but basically. 554 00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:46.440 It's pretty straightforward. Actually, so I guess I'm always because 555 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:48.920 people mentioned this to me sometimes, and I am at 556 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.880 this point interested because so many people are specifically referring 557 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:54.759 to that, maybe because it was something that was popularized recently. 558 00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:56.839 I'm not sure. I'm not sure how this is different 559 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:04.200 than really all the contemplative spiritual traditions. Like essentially it's 560 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:06.359 the same story, right, you have a source, you have 561 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.839 some emanation of the source, and then talking about the 562 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.559 different levels and the number of levels again seems arbitrary 563 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:13.240 to me because we don't really have a way to know, 564 00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.599 and I would put that strong. So like whenever people 565 00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:20.039 kind of come online, not gonna mention names right now, 566 00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.200 but they make the claim they can distinguish between the 567 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.079 sixth and the seventh dimension. I'm like, I don't know 568 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.200 how you know that, but let's say they do. It's 569 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.559 if the source is truly infinite, the kind of system 570 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.200 that it would choose to operate through, both in terms 571 00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.759 of functionality of itself and in terms of your perception 572 00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:44.240 of it, to me, are much less relevant than what 573 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.880 you can potentially do with it and how you can 574 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:53.200 end or how you can use that to better your 575 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.079 life and the life around you. 576 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:55.319 Right. 577 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.119 So usually all of these kind of claims about the 578 00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:02.119 specificities of that flavor, to me fall flat because they 579 00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:05.519 don't really do anything that is different than any other 580 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.079 claim about why is it not twelve dimensions or four 581 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:13.160 dimensions or what difference does that make in terms of 582 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.400 what you can do with it or how you can 583 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:18.440 make things better? I would claim none. 584 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.160 Well, I I only like to bring it up just 585 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.599 because it's a reference to an emanation from a more 586 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:30.000 fundamental place, like all right, so if this place, I agree, 587 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.759 if this place is fundamental reality, then you wouldn't need 588 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.880 a main projected source, right, And so that's kind of 589 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.440 that's kind of the conversation around this place possibly being 590 00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:43.559 some sort of matrix, and if it was a matrix, 591 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:45.920 that it would be a hologram of possibly the real 592 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.079 thing in in a roundabout way. 593 00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:51.640 Yeah, So I guess so you're asking me what would 594 00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:55.279 be my thoughts about that kind of a model. 595 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.400 Well, just by you seeing the code and you going 596 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.240 there in that state of mind with DMT and all 597 00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.440 the psychedelic realms, does that open the door to for 598 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.839 you to be able to look at this reality and think, well, 599 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.960 this reality that we experience as physical beings is a 600 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.440 I guess I like to bring it up because there are, 601 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.119 like you said earlier, how people say, well, that experience 602 00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:21.960 was more real than this reality. 603 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:23.000 You know what I'm saying. 604 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.839 And so if that experience is more real than this reality, 605 00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:29.119 then what is this? If this is not the real reality? 606 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:32.960 Yeah, well it's still real. So, like like I always say, 607 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:34.559 you know, if you stop your toe in the middle 608 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.160 of the night, truck, see what happens. If somebody follows 609 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.400 your own and says, don't worry, don't worry, this is 610 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:42.960 an illusion. You probably punch him in the face. 611 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:44.039 Right, It's still gonna suck. 612 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.799 No, no, bro, that's real. Okay, whatever are you experiencing 613 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:50.319 is real, And it doesn't matter on what level or 614 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.079 for how long. As long as there was an instant 615 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.839 of experience on any level, that's what reality is. You 616 00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.559 can say there's a more fundamental state that you can 617 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.759 achieve if you do the right things. Whatever it is. Sure, 618 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.480 that's true, but it doesn't take away anything from the 619 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:10.320 reality of any other space. Right And in the sense 620 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:13.840 of so, if you're asking me directly, Danny, I would 621 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:15.719 tell you that what I was shown is a slightly 622 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:19.280 different picture. And I was shown it actually on four 623 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:25.400 aco very clearly, without any hedges hesitations. It was pretty 624 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:27.599 much like a diagram. They just showed me the full structure. 625 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.599 To be super clear, it does not mean that what 626 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.559 I think is that I've been shown the ultimate state 627 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:37.159 of affairs. But it's as valid as any other if 628 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.760 you're talking about some other people's experience. Right. So the 629 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:41.360 picture that I've been shown was a little different. And 630 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:43.360 again I want to make it clear because you know, 631 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.639 I'm not trying to say, oh, I've been given the answers, 632 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.639 but here's an picture that I've been shown very clearly. 633 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.679 There's some kind there's some kind of a structure of 634 00:34:56.880 --> 00:35:00.639 three bodies. One of these bodies, like can imagine them, 635 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:05.039 like three balls of some sort. One of them is 636 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:09.039 our multiverse. So the entire multiverse, not just the universe, 637 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.119 all the universes that we can possibly ever see are 638 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:13.559 in one of these balls, and the other two I 639 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:17.480 don't even know what they are. Okay. Outside of all 640 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:22.519 of that, Outside of all of that, almost unrelated, there's 641 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.360 this other space with gods in it which are absolutely 642 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:32.519 not us. So we're absolutely not God. Okay, we are 643 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:34.400 part of a unified thing, but that's not the same 644 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.320 as gods. Gods are different, Okay, in that enormous hierarchy 645 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:44.000 that there's a lot of them. Everything that which is 646 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.599 a little uncomfortable that we used to think is true 647 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.719 and then started thinking it's not true, it's actually true. 648 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.920 So the biblical God is there, the other guy is 649 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:57.639 there as well, and all the way at the top 650 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:03.880 is a woman and no, not Gya. I'm gonna remind 651 00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.760 everybody Gaia is just the Earth and we're talking about 652 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.480 this hole. One ball was the multiverse. So definitely not 653 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:13.280 what people think. It's like, yay, you know that whole thing. No, 654 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:18.039 she's very different and she is beyond comprehension. Also, it 655 00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.480 was made clear to me that nobody messes with her. 656 00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:22.840 Okay, that checks out, But. 657 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.639 It was very clear to me there was no ambiguity 658 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.119 about it, which to me, was very arbitrary because why wouldn't, 659 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:32.119 like you said, why wouldn't it be a ball of light? Right? No, 660 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.760 They're like, no, no, that it's a woman. So I 661 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:38.159 was like, okay, so did she birth this? 662 00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:42.280 Every existence in the place showed me a really hot woman. 663 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:44.440 Nice, she's all the way at the top. 664 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:48.280 Okay when you say they showed you, when you say they, 665 00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:49.320 you mean. 666 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:51.920 Well somebody had to show you that, right, So there's 667 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.800 somebody created the presentation for me. So I talk on 668 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.760 a regular basis with what I guess we would call 669 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:03.239 the simulators or fall intensive purposes. They're mechanical insectoids and 670 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.480 they are the ones controlling our physical space. 671 00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:11.280 Now, mechanical insectoids? Is this just your best description? 672 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:12.519 There are? 673 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.320 That's what they are. Yep, that's what they are. 674 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:18.280 It's not biomechanic priyamantis looking motherfuckers. 675 00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:19.159 Like what were we talking about here? 676 00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:19.960 Uh? 677 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.440 They're everything all kinds, and from what I understand they're not. 678 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.199 It's not a good representation because what we understand about insects, 679 00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:29.920 it's not quite there's like a there's like an archetype 680 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:31.840 there and there's like I'm not getting into that because 681 00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.840 it's it's a little wonky, but it's fall in dens 682 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.599 of purposes. No, it is not the form they choose 683 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:41.639 to present themselves as. If anything, it ficks most people out. 684 00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:45.199 If anything, they usually mask that fact. But they are 685 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:48.760 that's their true form, okay, And they have a form 686 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.639 because they are part of the ones that have a form. 687 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.599 So they are insectoids. They're kind of weaving realities that 688 00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:57.159 their job. You can think of them as like the 689 00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:58.400 management company. 690 00:37:58.920 --> 00:37:59.760 And they are. 691 00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:04.440 Very callous. They have no the kinds of emotions that 692 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.360 we think about, so they don't care, which I also 693 00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:10.800 something tells me that that's why they're being put on 694 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.599 this job because they don't. They can't be. There's no 695 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.679 pleading with them. It's just like it's kind of like crypto. 696 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:19.400 It's either it is or it isn't. It's just what 697 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:20.360 it is, right, So they. 698 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.840 Just have no emotions whatsoever, even towards they're. 699 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.280 Not the kinds of we, not the kinds of we 700 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:27.360 we entertained, so they have emotions that are of a 701 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:29.679 different kind. There. They can be a hive mind, they 702 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:33.679 can be not a hive mind, but they are controlling 703 00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.679 physical reality. They're weaving physical realities. That's what they do. 704 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:41.760 They're controlling the actuation of physical environments. Then there's other species. 705 00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:45.199 There's the lizards and all kinds of the From what 706 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:50.440 I understand, the the I guess the gestures. 707 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.599 I've heard this right, the d MT elves, if you will. 708 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:55.079 So is this the same thing. 709 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.679 Different biomagin the elves are different? But but okay, yeah, 710 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.079 so the gestures. The reason they stand out is because 711 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:07.159 they're actually very special. They are serving a very special function. 712 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:12.920 They are that that can experience the alpha and the 713 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.159 omega at once. So they are That's why it's not 714 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:20.599 always clear. Are they malevolent or are they like, are 715 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:23.199 they trying to hurt you? Or are there Are they're 716 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.480 good or they're bad. It's not really clear because they 717 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:29.400 don't know either. For them, the the ying and the yang, 718 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.559 they're one and the same. They can experience the ultimate 719 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.480 darkness and the ultimate light all at once, which is 720 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.559 what's required to understand certain function and reality. Everything that 721 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.119 is to be understood in existence has to be experienced 722 00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.360 by some thing. They are the ones that get to 723 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.440 experience the full line. They can have one eye in 724 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:49.599 one and one eye in the other, and all at once. 725 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.719 It's also why they don't exist in any level. They 726 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.679 are free to move through all the levels wherever they want. 727 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:58.119 They're the closest thing to a god in our reality, 728 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.519 and they are not. They each one of them, even 729 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:04.920 though they have their own world, Each one of them 730 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.480 is their own species. So they are a separate species, 731 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:10.239 each and every one of them, even though they have 732 00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:10.880 their own world. 733 00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:11.360 Right. 734 00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:16.199 So that's and all of that is within our ball. Okay. 735 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.559 Outside of that is where we're talking about the other 736 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:21.400 gods I'm mentioning right now, so like you're not even 737 00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:25.559 talking about the same category. Okay, So way up there. 738 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:28.480 And then I saw something very weird, which to me 739 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.599 was just as arbitrary is saying that the top is 740 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.639 a woman. To be clear, he didn't come to me 741 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:38.079 as if like he came to me, but it was 742 00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:40.199 shown to me from the side, like with part of 743 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:47.800 the diagram, that Jesus Christ is real, not metaphorically like 744 00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:53.480 real real, The whole story is true, okay, And he 745 00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.400 serves a function of basically carrying the karma of humanity 746 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.480 until humanity can kind of get its grips because we 747 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:03.079 are very imperfect beings, and there is a system of 748 00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.840 checks and balances. Unfortunately, so it is what it is 749 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.519 and nothing can change it. So in order to operate 750 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.280 within that system, you have to have some kind of 751 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.719 a I guess, corrective mechanism that allows the species to 752 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:19.199 reach a certain level of ability without constantly falling into 753 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:23.440 the worst possible situation. So that one of the gods, 754 00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.000 the biblical God, split himself in his infinite love, all 755 00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:29.159 of that is true, created a function inside of our 756 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.800 little ball that he has to have physical representation that 757 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.239 carries the karma for us until we figure it out. 758 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.880 And the only price we have to pay for that 759 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.480 wonderful service is the acknowledgment that this is done for us, 760 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.800 which is what accepting Jesus, Christ, Lloyd and Savior is, 761 00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:49.639 which is you just paying a token of like recognition 762 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.599 saying thank you for doing that. Okay, Now, it is 763 00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:59.559 very uncomfortable because Christians love this part and they love 764 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:03.639 throwing out in everybody's faces. And to that, I say, 765 00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.599 first of all, if you lapping it up inside and 766 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:08.960 you feel a sense of pride, which is a sin, 767 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:12.639 and if you feel a sense of superiority because you're 768 00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.639 carrying that idea, be careful because you are also, in 769 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.559 that instance, not being christ like, so you it's not 770 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.599 just the recognition, it's also being able to carry the 771 00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:25.360 amount of signature of goodness that you can to its 772 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.239 full potential. It's also part of it. So I'm only 773 00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:31.199 mentioning this is because this kind of stuff was never 774 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.280 on my hard drive. I was born in Russia. This 775 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.159 was not even part of my repertoire of. 776 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:39.400 I was gonna ask you about your accent. I wasn't 777 00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:41.519 one hundred percent sure because you have a you have 778 00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:42.440 a very. 779 00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.039 Good English language. 780 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.639 You're using words that like most people that wouldn't that 781 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:49.239 weren't born in the English speaking country wouldn't have. But 782 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.440 I can tell an accent. I was thinking French, not 783 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:53.960 gonna French. 784 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:54.239 Yeah. 785 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:56.239 So okay, so you were born in Russia. 786 00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.519 Okay, was born in Russia. I grew up in Israel. 787 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.239 So maybe it's some mixture of those two. But but 788 00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:05.599 but I uh, but yeah. So the relevance of that 789 00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.800 is that in Russia, even though there are definitely there's 790 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.079 the Orthodox Christianity that is kind of like very dominant 791 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.519 there now. Uh, throughout the ages, depending on what time 792 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:17.679 you were born, there was less or more of these 793 00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:22.119 religious religious motifs, and there's definitely I know for effective 794 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:24.599 for me, the whole Jesus Christ bit. It's just not 795 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:26.960 it's not in my system, Like it's not I'm not, 796 00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:29.840 I'm not. If you were born in America, even if 797 00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.039 you don't like Jesus, you are in some relationship to him, 798 00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:35.519 either you like it or not. It's part of the culture, right, right, 799 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.880 that's not even in my subconscious like it's not there, 800 00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.000 Like it's not part of my system. So why would 801 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.119 I be shown Jesus Christ. And what's more, they could 802 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:46.880 have shown me like a metaphor, right, they could show 803 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:48.760 me like an archetype of some sort of like ooh 804 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.039 this this is yeah, like this thing that you believe 805 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:52.800 that is kind of like Jesus. There's such a thing, 806 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.880 but it's not Jesus obviously, there's like some No, they're 807 00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.000 like showed me the whole image of like Jesus Christ 808 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.800 with the robe, with the whole thing, right, And they 809 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:05.159 was showing me that he was ascending to the whatever. 810 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:06.719 It was like we're coming to an end of an 811 00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.679 age and he was ascending up. He was basically kind 812 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:10.840 of from what I understood from me and he was 813 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:14.119 kind of finishing his contract and we're now going to 814 00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:17.239 take the karma on us. It's going to be collective, 815 00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:19.559 so it's like the next level up. So now there's 816 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.480 no more somebody who's helping us out. We're kind of 817 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.199 like young adults. Now we're on our own, but we 818 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.400 still not perfect, so we can't do it personally. So 819 00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.639 we share the karma together, so like we can't do 820 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:32.519 it alone, but we can together. We can kind of 821 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:34.440 correct each other like yo, yo, that's not what we're 822 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:36.960 agreed on, right, kind of like go about it that way. 823 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:41.159 So that's what I've seen. In addition to that, I 824 00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:44.360 was shown that I'm sitting in this basement alone with 825 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.239 VR glasses with infinite screens in front of me, inside 826 00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:48.239 of one of these balls. 827 00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:48.760 So what I. 828 00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:52.440 Understood from that is that you are alone in your reality. 829 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.400 So if you've heard this meme before, apparently that is true. 830 00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:57.519 According to whatever was shown, there's no one else in 831 00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:01.840 your reality. However, what is usually missing from this little 832 00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:07.280 trope is that there are the other people who are 833 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.559 representations in your reality. They're real, but they're in their 834 00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:12.880 own reality, so that I'm sitting in my own sandbox. 835 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:16.039 You're sitting in your own sandbox. What this achieves is safety. 836 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:19.679 So if I start hurting you, right, I'm not actually 837 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.519 hurting you, I'm hurting projections in my reality. 838 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:23.000 Right. 839 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:27.320 But but the mainframe does know what you do, so 840 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:29.679 it registers that, and in your reality, you don't get 841 00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.960 a random version of me if you meet me in 842 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:34.960 your reality. The system knows what I would more likely 843 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.119 do in particular situations. So my avatar in your reality 844 00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:41.559 would behave very much like I would, so fall intensive purposes. 845 00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:44.639 You get me, just not the conscious me see what 846 00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.480 I'm saying, So it's kind of like and what I 847 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:48.840 was what I understood. Also, they also showed me the 848 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:51.280 mental brood set behind me, so it's like, you know 849 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:55.800 this fractal that the infinite world's evolving. They're automated according 850 00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:57.519 to the shoreline of the mental both set, which it 851 00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.760 makes perfect sense because it's infinite complexity. Uh, when I 852 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.519 was shown from what I actually I have to be honest, 853 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.079 I don't remember if I added this part later as 854 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.440 a confabulation. I truly don't remember, Like, I don't recall 855 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.880 if it was part of that showing or if because 856 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.079 when I was thinking about it, it kind of goet meshed together. 857 00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:19.320 And that's the Mandelbrot set for anybody that's never seen 858 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.519 it before, quite fascinating. 859 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:23.960 It's one of those things. 860 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:26.440 Where you can zoom in and you'll you'll discover more 861 00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:27.960 and more and more, and. 862 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:29.480 It's like the fractal. 863 00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.920 Yeah, yeah, it's just a fractal. It's kind of like 864 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.400 how they say, you know, if you if you break 865 00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:39.960 like a wineglass or something like that, the the the 866 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:43.800 whole of the wine glass still somehow exists in every 867 00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:44.800 single glass yard. 868 00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.800 Yeah. It's the most elaborate factal that we know of 869 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:52.599 in terms of simplicity of the equation that gives rise 870 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.559 to this infinite complexity, which, by the way, none of 871 00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:58.360 these smaller versions of the mental bod set that you 872 00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:00.559 see on the Mendel Bought set. So the men set 873 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:04.239 is the full beatle thingy. But if you zoom into 874 00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:06.800 one of them, the beatles, you'll see that there's it's 875 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.960 made out of these infinite beatles, right. But what's interesting 876 00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:12.000 is that none of these beatles when you zoom in, 877 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.199 none of them ever repeat the same way. None of 878 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:18.960 them are the same, not one of them. 879 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.679 That is so fascinating, dude. It's actually chirpy to even 880 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.440 look at. But yeah, you can see right here. 881 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.199 And actually part of what we're trying to do in Core, 882 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.480 we're trying to see if we can substantiate the claim 883 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.320 that I just made, which I'm working with Laslow, who's 884 00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:34.639 an award winning game developer. We're trying to see if 885 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:39.639 we can actually make worlds appear in a world creating 886 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:45.360 engine that game developers use through just following some logic 887 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:46.840 of the metal bot set. We want to see if 888 00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.880 it's possible, because if we can show it's possible, then 889 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.239 we have something that we can actually show that is 890 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.760 actionable versus just kind of like what I'm saying, right, 891 00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:56.679 We want to see if it's and it seems that 892 00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:58.239 we're managing to do something. 893 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.320 It would be mathematically possible. Right. 894 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.320 The fact that that is even able to be an 895 00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:06.920 AI generated photo, right, just for instance, means that there 896 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:11.480 is some sort of an algorithmic matrix that would lead 897 00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:13.920 credence to the fact that you could make this, like, 898 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:18.360 for instance, a video game map that the more you say, 899 00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:22.480 the further it goes, and the more it creates itself, 900 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.519 the further on the edges of the map you go. 901 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:28.119 So it's like the algorithm is out there, the mathematical 902 00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.599 equation is out there. It's more or less a matter 903 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:34.000 of figuring it out and putting it to code right. 904 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.000 To see if you nail it. Basically, they gave me 905 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:38.880 the answer. They didn't tell me how to got to it. 906 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:41.679 They're like, here, reverse engineered this if you tell me 907 00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:46.159 there's something there. Okay, So now the novel part. And 908 00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:47.960 this is the last thing I'll say about this. If 909 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.480 anybody's tired from my trip report, I would be. But 910 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:54.239 the last part that I saw was actually really interesting, 911 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:55.679 and I this is the part that I have to 912 00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.480 be honest, like, I'm not sure if I edit it later, 913 00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:01.320 but it makes perfect sense to me, which is that 914 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:04.480 the only time where you do break through this veil 915 00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.280 of being alone in your own world and you meet 916 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.559 an actual other that is conscious also on their own side, 917 00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:15.880 is when you enter the channel of what we call love. Love. 918 00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:19.519 So when you feel true love, not infatuation or sexual 919 00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.800 attraction in any of that, but like true, like love, 920 00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.920 whatever that is at its core, doors open, and if 921 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:28.480 you are in the presence of a particular avatar, the 922 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:33.239 system registers to the main frame goes, hey, what about them? 923 00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:35.559 Are they also? And then if they are also, it's 924 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.960 like a key. And you know how people say like 925 00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:40.239 when they're especially when they're in love, and it's very strong, 926 00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:41.800 they go, oh my god, I feel like we're the 927 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.440 only two in the world, the only two be it's 928 00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.960 because you are. You literally are the only now to 929 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.199 actual agents in the entire world, because you open this 930 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.320 door with love. And the question is can you open 931 00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:56.320 the ultimate door of everybody kind of and this is 932 00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:59.639 where the idea of where all one comes from, because 933 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.159 the open can actually open the door for us, the 934 00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:08.159 collective one to re emerge as the collective that we 935 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:11.880 are in our little domain. Keeping in mind that it 936 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.840 is still our local group. There are many, many, many 937 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.360 other ones, and outside of that you have these gods 938 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.320 that are a completely different thing. And to be fair, 939 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:23.440 because before I said, what is the relevance of all 940 00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.880 of these details? Right, if it doesn't actually make anything good, 941 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:29.800 I have to admit that unless we can find a way, 942 00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.559 for example, like make something work with the mental god set, 943 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:37.480 or make this idea more salient to people, that love 944 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.239 truly is like even from a technical standpoint is the 945 00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.519 preferable thing that we want to aim for as humanity. 946 00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.599 If it wasn't clear before, it should be clear now, right, 947 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:50.400 So these would be like relevant things from this whole story. 948 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:53.719 How can it be relevant like everything that I was 949 00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:57.719 shown ultimately with that you know, ultimate picture. Probably no 950 00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:01.480 time soon, but maybe maybe it is. I don't know, 951 00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:03.679 but we'll see. Like if I have to be fair, 952 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.760 I don't put too much stock into the details of 953 00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:09.719 the story unless I can substantiate some of it, bring 954 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:13.679 it here, make a better world, make something work, something 955 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:14.079 like that. 956 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:18.519 So I want to ask you this by with your 957 00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:22.679 experience and your research, and you know you're very well understood, 958 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:26.480 at least to me anyway, I understand what you're saying. 959 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:32.679 Where did it all begin somewhere? Or has this existence 960 00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:37.559 and all existences? Have they always existed? Or did somebody 961 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:41.519 something created In a sense. 962 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.519 That's exactly what they're trying to figure out. That's why 963 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.719 all the simulations are running, because God does not know 964 00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:47.639 why everything exists. 965 00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:52.920 H WHOA Okay, so kind of a subdendum question what 966 00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:56.320 Jonathan just asked, Right, So you said that you discovered 967 00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:59.119 this on your own right looking into the laser seeing 968 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.880 the matrix, see the fabric of reality in the red 969 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:06.280 light of a laser refracted on the wall. 970 00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.719 First of all, how did you discover its? Second of all, 971 00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:10.400 why red? Why didn't you. 972 00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.000 Choose a green light or a blue light or whatever? 973 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:15.239 Why was the red the laser color that you chose. 974 00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.159 Just break it all down for us. 975 00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:19.639 I won't be able to break it all down. It's 976 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:27.679 a long story, but the time the shorter version of no, 977 00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:29.480 because it takes a lot of details that you have 978 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:33.559 to literally dig into, like particular things in quantum physics 979 00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:35.840 that you actually have to understand, so that the short 980 00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:39.679 It started from thinking about the scantering of light in general, 981 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:42.960 which is actually a quantum effect in general. So like 982 00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:47.639 the fact that the light scanters from any object doesn't 983 00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:50.119 matter if it's diffracted from which it means a particular 984 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.199 distance between the slits. That's the difference by the way 985 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.719 between Just like you scanter light around an object and 986 00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:03.400 diffraction means the diffraction. Grating calculated the wavelength and matched 987 00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:08.880 the distances between the slits to match the light wavelength, 988 00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:14.239 which creates this perfect light dark light dark like dark. 989 00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.239 So that's a quantum effect all by itself, and some 990 00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.599 of it is actually utilized in quantum computers. There's a 991 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:24.840 lot of talk recently about quantum computers, but that was 992 00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:28.119 my thought when I was thinking about this. Look. I 993 00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:29.519 was walking in the middle of the night looking at 994 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.480 the stop light. I noticed that there's some difference between 995 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:34.440 the light the way it seems to me to scanter 996 00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.440 from the different colors from red to orange or yellow, 997 00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:40.239 whatever you want to call it. Green, and there was 998 00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:43.360 a very strong sense in me, almost like something stopped 999 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:47.800 me and went yes, look there. And then I started thinking, okay, well, 1000 00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:51.559 we know the quantum computers utilized the fact that the 1001 00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:55.000 coherence happens, which is essentially the instance where the wave function, 1002 00:53:56.679 --> 00:54:00.880 any particle becomes part of I guess your exud world, 1003 00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:04.360 depending on what model you're looking through. If it's the 1004 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:09.280 Copenhagen interpretation, they think that there's just some statistical probability 1005 00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:12.400 wave they call the wave function, and when an instance 1006 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:16.239 of occurrence happens, then the wave function collapses and it 1007 00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:19.400 becomes this only this one instance. Up until that point, 1008 00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:23.280 all of these instances were possible, but now it actuated 1009 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:25.719 in only this one thing, and now it collapsed. That's 1010 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.679 where the wave function collapse comes from. Okay, in the 1011 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:33.280 many worlds interpretation, they have already an interpretation. There is 1012 00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:37.199 no collapse, but all the possibilities existing at once. In 1013 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.679 other words, the wave function does not collapse. There's this 1014 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:44.039 infinite possibility space that is all real, and depending on 1015 00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:48.119 where you are in this infinite array, you will experience 1016 00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:50.760 only your tiny sliver, but right next to you there's 1017 00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:54.400 another you experiencing this other possibility that's just slightly different 1018 00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:56.559 with this one atom a little different. And that's the 1019 00:54:56.559 --> 00:55:01.199 many worlds interpretations. Okay, okay, So that's the model that 1020 00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:04.000 I was looking at this picture through. And what quantum 1021 00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:07.199 computers do according to this model is that they literally 1022 00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:10.960 utilize the computation of these infinite worlds, not metaphorically but 1023 00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:14.000 actually so Basically, what it means is that in this 1024 00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:17.480 infinite array of universes, the ones that are closest to you, 1025 00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:21.119 they have quite similar occurrences, and the further away you go, 1026 00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.480 the more different the occurrences are, until it gets to 1027 00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:25.280 the point where you're made out of marshmallows. And I 1028 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.960 don't know so, but at least in your local region, 1029 00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:33.280 all the other universes would most likely also have the 1030 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:36.280 quantum computer you are now operating. They all have it, 1031 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:39.280 they all understand that that's what's going on. So then 1032 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:42.800 you basically pull a switch. And then when decoherence happens, 1033 00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:44.320 which is when I guess you can think of it 1034 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.639 in terms of the particle. It's not really a particle decoherent, 1035 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:49.719 but that's for the visual Let's pretend let's say that 1036 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.400 you chip away a particle from the wave function, which 1037 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:54.880 is not what's happening, but we're just using heuristic here, 1038 00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:59.039 and then that particle decoheres from the wave function and 1039 00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:01.519 it becomes part of your word world only. Okay, but 1040 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:05.880 there's a probability that you can discern. There's a few 1041 00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.199 equations if people use one of them as the Deutsch equations, 1042 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:10.199 and then you can it's almost like the four year 1043 00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:13.559 transform of what is the probability of you being in 1044 00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:15.880 this universe or another universe in which this or other 1045 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:19.079 occurrence happens. This is where the math actually gets very 1046 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:23.360 very complex. But we can utilize this to say, what 1047 00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.079 is the probability that I existed here versus there? And 1048 00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.239 what I'm using is not just my computation, but the 1049 00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.039 fact that I know that all these other computations are 1050 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:34.320 happening at once, so we literally distributing computations across multiple universes. 1051 00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.920 So the thought was, well, in this instance of the coherence, 1052 00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:42.559 it would be fair to say that the particle that 1053 00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.559 there was the cohering, essentially interacts with all the instances 1054 00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:50.599 of itself in this infinite dimensional space or in loven 1055 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:52.880 dimensional space. However, the mensions you're postulated according to the 1056 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:57.280 model you're looking through, okay, So that meant that there 1057 00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:01.239 is some communication that is possible through the world with 1058 00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:06.760 some use of light, specifically with scattering and diffraction of light. 1059 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.440 And that was kind of all of that was kind 1060 00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.719 of thought at once in like maybe five seconds span, 1061 00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:15.960 and that's when the thing grabbed me by the shoulders, 1062 00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:20.119 so to speak, said that look at that, and I 1063 00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.079 go okay, and then I kind of started following that. 1064 00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:29.119 It took another three or four years of weird things happening, synchronicities, numbers, 1065 00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:31.760 looking through a paper that all of a sudden popped 1066 00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:34.639 to my mind things like this, which are definitely you 1067 00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:38.320 cannot present in a scientific conference and say here's my data. 1068 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:43.679 But that's how it happened. And then Eventually there was 1069 00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:46.719 a series of these occurrences that kept on repeating again 1070 00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:49.719 and again and again the same day that had to 1071 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:53.679 do with diffracted light, specifically six hundred and fifty nanometers 1072 00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:56.440 that keep like every paper I would pull up that day, 1073 00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:57.840 it was like six hund and fifty six hundred and 1074 00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:03.039 fifty coherent light constantly diffracted. I was like, and and 1075 00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:05.039 my fiance at the time we were I already told 1076 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:06.360 her what was going on, and she was kind of 1077 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:09.280 doing it on her own. And then we at the 1078 00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.760 same time came to each other and said lasers and 1079 00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:15.199 she goes, yep, so, And it was specifically what. 1080 00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.679 Is within the realm or the spectrum of the color red. 1081 00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:19.960 If I'm not mistaken right. 1082 00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:23.320 It is red. Again. You can actually see the code 1083 00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:27.039 with all the frequencies. But I think that maybe I'm 1084 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:29.639 guessing the insistence of six hundred and fifte nanimeters war 1085 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:33.199 was because it's the lowest frequency that our eye can see. 1086 00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:35.119 And you do feel a difference like if you do 1087 00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:36.920 it with a green one, because it's a high frequency. 1088 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.719 Even if it's the same output, you might some people 1089 00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:43.639 will feel a headache pretty quickly just because it's too 1090 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:48.239 much too much energy. Okay, so then you feel it, 1091 00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:50.400 but with the red you can kind of spend more 1092 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:52.400 time with you can investigate it, you can look deeper 1093 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.480 into it. So I think that would be my guess 1094 00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:57.840 as to why in the documentary we're approaching that part 1095 00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.119 gently kind of trying because we are trying to stay 1096 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:04.280 you know, we're not trying to sound too crazy, but 1097 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:06.960 we are kind of outlining how that kind of worked 1098 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.599 in terms of how I actually came to it with 1099 00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:14.199 some care, because we want to stay more on the 1100 00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:16.800 scientific side and like not sound too kookie, you know 1101 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:17.119 what I mean? 1102 00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:21.320 Sure, sure, okay, And that also makes sense to me, right, 1103 00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:25.320 Red is the quote unquote hardest color for the human 1104 00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:27.880 eye to perceive. Green, for instance, would be one of 1105 00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.280 the easiest colors for our eyes to pick up one. 1106 00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:32.960 So to say that you're getting too much energy from 1107 00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:35.639 a green light as opposed to a red light, which 1108 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.280 your eye would have to almost over focus on in 1109 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:41.199 order to dig deeper into it makes sense to me 1110 00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:45.239 why you would see more once you're acutely highly focused 1111 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:46.800 on a red laser beam on the wall. 1112 00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:49.400 Is that true? So when I was when I was 1113 00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:50.119 in the marine, corps. 1114 00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:52.239 A matter of fact, when we were at night and 1115 00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:54.559 we had to have what's called light discipline, there's a 1116 00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:58.000 reason why our flashlights had red lenses on them because red, 1117 00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:01.239 somehow it is the hardest color for our eyes to 1118 01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.400 pick up on, and also it is the easiest to 1119 01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.960 distort over a long distance. Right I'm looking for you, 1120 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:11.400 A red light will go will be masked easier than 1121 01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:13.760 a green light, for instance green That's why like American 1122 01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:18.519 money is green colored, why Chinese money is red colored. 1123 01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:21.559 There's a reason why certain things will attract to the 1124 01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:24.960 human eye more or less than others. That's why I 1125 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.159 was asking you why you went for red lasers in 1126 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:30.079 the beginning of this so as opposed to like a 1127 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:33.360 blue light or a purple light, because we've heard about 1128 01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:35.760 die Sian and goggles or something which is like a 1129 01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:38.119 purple lens as goggles which will make you see all 1130 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:40.840 kinds of crazy shit depending on who you ask. So 1131 01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:44.000 the fact that you're using red lasers to see through 1132 01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:45.880 the matrix, I was curious that there was any kind 1133 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.480 of real scientific backing to do that, or if that's 1134 01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:51.519 just kind of what you through trial or error, have 1135 01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:52.840 had the most success with. 1136 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:55.519 That's what it pointed to originally, but since then we 1137 01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:57.800 tried it without affrequencies. It absolutely works. 1138 01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:04.360 Got you, So, Denny, could you possibly describe exactly what 1139 01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:08.440 you and everybody else is seeing whenever they're looking at 1140 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.280 the laser beam on the wall, I mean, like, what 1141 01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:15.119 makes Yeah, well, just you know, in your best way, 1142 01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:18.239 could you possibly describe it? Is it like little gears? 1143 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.760 Is it ones and zeros? You know, what is it 1144 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.159 that you're seeing that everybody else is like, oh my god, 1145 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:25.119 I'm seeing the same thing. 1146 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:25.599 What is that? 1147 01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:29.360 So yeah, so definitely not ones and zeros. People do 1148 01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:31.840 report seeing kind of like gears in the beginning, but 1149 01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:34.039 it's more the best way to describe its kind of 1150 01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:38.079 like a hybrid between Hebrew and Japanese. But it's not. 1151 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.599 It's not on these things. Okay, So it's I don't 1152 01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:44.079 think it's some ancient language. It's possible that some ancient 1153 01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:50.079 people were exposed to this and develop their languages accordingly. 1154 01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:53.039 It's possible, but I don't think it's any language that 1155 01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:55.519 we know. I had somebody who speaks Japanese who said that, yeah, 1156 01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:58.480 that's not Japanese, but he's he said, I can see 1157 01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:00.480 you how you would think this is Japanese, very similar 1158 01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:01.159 to katakana. 1159 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:04.920 You being spending some time in Israel, can you read 1160 01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:05.480 and speak? 1161 01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:09.199 So there's there's some odifs there, there's some coofs there. 1162 01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:12.079 There's definitely some people letters that I recognize. But because 1163 01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:15.480 of the amount of information in any given moment, and 1164 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:18.360 because of the amount of just change that is occurring 1165 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:21.280 in the space constantly, I don't think that's a viable 1166 01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:24.960 way to go about it, because eyewitness testimony is the 1167 01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:29.880 worst kind of thing when you just ask about specific details, right, 1168 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:35.199 it is a good one to generalize a quality of something, 1169 01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:38.679 which is why I'm always in the habit of saying, 1170 01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.639 it's not the content that convinces you, it's the quality 1171 01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:45.239 of the of what you're seeing. So it's like it 1172 01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:48.840 doesn't have this kind of a So you know what 1173 01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:52.320 gestaltz are, right, they're basically kind of like a possibility 1174 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:56.639 space of type of let's say call it style, right, 1175 01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.079 So you can use it in all kinds of contexts, 1176 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.079 So you can say somebody, you can even say like 1177 01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.159 somebody's usually way of appearing, somebody's like always dressing up 1178 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.639 as very vibrant or whatever. That's they're get stalt right 1179 01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:10.559 in cognitive sign gestalt means of something very particular, which 1180 01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:15.559 is like layers of types of I guess you can 1181 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:18.440 call them either not color palettes, but like it's it's 1182 01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:22.199 experienced palettes. They're like they're like quality of a thing, 1183 01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:25.360 our reality, the way it appears to us. That's a geshtalt. 1184 01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:28.360 Your dream is a gestalt. Okay, it's like it has 1185 01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:31.280 a different kind of function. These are yeah, got the 1186 01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:35.760 kind of exactly we have some representation. Let's see if 1187 01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:37.960 I can send you that one, the closest one that 1188 01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.639 I ever seen. Actually, I'll send you a couple right now. 1189 01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:44.840 I'm so interested in this just because of that first 1190 01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:46.960 dmt tchrip where I saw that gold Ball member. 1191 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:48.679 I told you there was some kind of fucking writing 1192 01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:49.039 on there. 1193 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:52.639 I didn't know what it was. I I mean, maybe 1194 01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:55.679 it was relatable to this. To be honest, it's been 1195 01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:58.840 months now and I'm starting to forget exactly what it 1196 01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:01.480 looked like, which is so unforced. But I do remember 1197 01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:04.199 it being like some kind of I actually interpreted it 1198 01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:07.039 as like maybe Egyptian writing, although I don't know. I 1199 01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:09.760 couldn't tell you an Egyptian letter like you know what 1200 01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:13.360 I mean, Like, it's just from my conscious mind. That's 1201 01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:14.280 how I interpreted it. 1202 01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:17.679 So I remember acutely what you were saying when you 1203 01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:20.079 came out of the first DMT trip, and you did 1204 01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:24.000 use the term Egyptian, but it wasn't the hieroglyphs that 1205 01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:26.440 were thinking of with like an arm bent in a 1206 01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:29.519 nine degree angles letter B or something like that, or 1207 01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:34.079 the stork is this letter you were depicting or describing 1208 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:37.679 basically from the Transformers movie the Language of the Primes, if. 1209 01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:38.440 You will very much. 1210 01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.400 Yeah, you were describing on the Golden ball that you saw. 1211 01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:43.559 And I love the fact that our boy Danny here 1212 01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:47.039 is describing these gears, because I've told you about my 1213 01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:51.079 first mushroom trip where I took too much and I 1214 01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:55.159 saw what I would describe to be the inner workings 1215 01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:58.039 of the fabric of reality, and it was all gears 1216 01:04:58.079 --> 01:04:59.920 and clockwork and cogs and all these. 1217 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.159 So to hear him say this is fascinating. 1218 01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:03.280 Now. 1219 01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:05.880 That was no DMT that will strictly see a cybin, 1220 01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:10.000 a psilocybin, excuse me and mead along with pagan drum 1221 01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:12.320 circles and pagan things going on. 1222 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:14.480 Well, which was a really good time. 1223 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.599 But beside the point to see it on that side 1224 01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:19.880 of the veil and then to hear him describe it 1225 01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:22.760 this way, It's just I'm having a great time here, brother. 1226 01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:26.920 Now, Whenever, Jacob, whenever you saw those those gears and 1227 01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:29.599 cogs and time clocks and all that other shit, would did, 1228 01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:33.320 it almost seem like it was like a holographic overlay 1229 01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:36.280 of this reality. Like your eyes were open, you saw 1230 01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:38.599 this reality and also that on top of it. 1231 01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:42.800 No, no, I'm gonna be real with you. And this 1232 01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:47.079 was this was my first time experiencing any type of substance. 1233 01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:49.360 I had never smoked weed at this point. The only 1234 01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:52.360 thing I had ever done was been drunk. I never 1235 01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:57.639 experienced any type of substance quote unquote at this time. Okay, 1236 01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:01.400 and for anybody who hasn't hear and Danny, you please 1237 01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:03.000 feel free to chime in on this one because I 1238 01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:04.400 would love to get your two cents on this. 1239 01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:05.960 Okay. So there I was. 1240 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:09.320 I'm a Christian, right, not a Bible thumping type. I 1241 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:12.519 have no judgment to give, I promise you I truly 1242 01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:13.000 have none. 1243 01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:16.440 But with that, I mean I've been shown to Jesus Meal. 1244 01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:20.840 So fuck yeah. Here we go right. So here I am. 1245 01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:24.039 I was dating a Nordic pagan woman at the time, 1246 01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.760 and she invited me to an embolic festival, which is 1247 01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:30.840 like a fire festival around the winter turning to springtime 1248 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.440 frame good things right, And there's a campground not too 1249 01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:38.440 far from here where it is a religious freedom space. 1250 01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:41.599 So while the Nordic pagans were doing their thing, we 1251 01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:44.000 had some druids doing their shit over here. We had 1252 01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:47.239 some uh, I don't even know what type of wickens 1253 01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:47.679 this was. 1254 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:48.199 Over here. 1255 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.920 We had all these different people with all types of 1256 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:54.920 faiths going on celebrating this time of year together in 1257 01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:55.760 their own ways. 1258 01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:56.599 Cool good shit. 1259 01:06:57.320 --> 01:06:59.760 And I was working a job at the time where 1260 01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:02.280 I got your analysis done and I couldn't partake of 1261 01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:04.400 the weed and the hash and everything that was passed around. 1262 01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:07.679 Shaman Man pulls out a five gallon baggy full of 1263 01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:10.639 mushrooms and I'm like, hold on, mister shaman Man, those 1264 01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:12.039 don't pop on a piss test too that. 1265 01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:14.239 He's like nope, I'm like, all right, hit me, what's up? 1266 01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:17.119 So, and I had no idea what a quote unquote 1267 01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:19.480 good amount was for me, So he gave me like 1268 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:22.880 two caps and again. I had no idea is a 1269 01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:25.719 big cap versus a small cap per my body weight. 1270 01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:28.039 I have no idea what I'm doing here. I'm experimenting. 1271 01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:30.039 It's all good, and I'm already a couple of drinks 1272 01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:33.519 in so fun. I take them about an hour later, 1273 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:35.719 and he was good in that fact. He didn't just 1274 01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:37.679 like let me go way too far over to where 1275 01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:39.280 I was like scared. He told me, like, take a 1276 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:41.880 couple of them, wait an hour, let's see how you feel, 1277 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:44.000 and if you're not feeling the effects, will take two more. 1278 01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:45.920 And I'm like, all right, got you, what's up? I 1279 01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:49.280 take two. I just feel drunk er, you know what 1280 01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:51.800 I mean, and like, okay, cool, cool, So hit me again, 1281 01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:53.599 mister shaman. Get it again. 1282 01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:57.599 Two more caps. I'd feel drunk er er, okay, so 1283 01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:01.039 we'll try it again here. Another hit three of these, 1284 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:04.800 so about six to seven caps, so to speak, drunk 1285 01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:07.719 er er er, And I'm just like, all right, look, man, 1286 01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:10.599 I'm not trying to like question your credentials as the 1287 01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:13.639 group shaman, but I feel like I just could have 1288 01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.399 tooken a couple of shots of whiskey and gotten about here. 1289 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:19.119 And he's like, all right, Okay, go ahead. Here he 1290 01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:21.000 threw me the whole bag. He's like, grab what you want. 1291 01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:24.239 You tell me when it's enough, and I'm like, okay, 1292 01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:26.880 here we go. So and I'm a pretty tall guy, 1293 01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.159 I got pretty decently sized hands. So I grab a 1294 01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:33.800 full on claw full of these psilocybin mushrooms and I 1295 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:36.319 just chow down and then I pound a bottle of 1296 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:37.039 mead behind it. 1297 01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.119 I had no idea what I had just signed up for, 1298 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:41.920 but I was here for it, right. 1299 01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:45.239 Long story short cut to We're about forty five minutes 1300 01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:47.600 and I'm staring at the bonfire. There's a drum circle 1301 01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:51.039 going on about five hundred meters away. We got some 1302 01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:54.399 crazy fat white chick wailing on the microphone with some 1303 01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:57.479 chance and shit, it's a whole vibe. It's a whole vibe. 1304 01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:01.000 And uh, I'm starting. I closed my eyes chilling see 1305 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:03.880 some lights, start dancing with my eyes closed and like 1306 01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:05.039 oh shit. 1307 01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:06.800 And I got the smile and they're like, oh shit, 1308 01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:08.520 you feel it, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 1309 01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:09.800 feel it. I feel it. What's up? 1310 01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:14.279 Cut to about thirty minutes later, I'm able to open 1311 01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:20.840 my eyes and I see everything, the actual air molecules 1312 01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:30.960 themselves are golden cogs and gears and clockwork and everything good, bad, indifferent, 1313 01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:34.680 super related to me, super not related to me, is 1314 01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:38.640 all flowing and perfectly aligning with each other and turning. 1315 01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:39.359 And it hit me. 1316 01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:43.760 I'm like, holy shit, life has to be this way. 1317 01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:47.680 The good and the bad have to flow together in 1318 01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.880 order for there to be a harmony. And this existence 1319 01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:54.840 only happens if we have a certain balance of harmony 1320 01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:57.600 and it all clicks. So to answer your question, Jonathan, 1321 01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:00.199 it wasn't that it was like a hologram overlaid over 1322 01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:07.000 this existence. I was visualizing this existence through another lens, ah, 1323 01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:11.840 and everything was bright, golden, And I don't mean golden 1324 01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:13.239 like just kind of a huge no no, no, like 1325 01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:16.600 solid fucking twenty four carre gold bro It was bright, 1326 01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:19.920 it was warm, it was it felt good. And I 1327 01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:22.439 don't just mean like, oh I'm dripping bra No no, no, 1328 01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:26.359 I mean like it felt like I was seeing existence 1329 01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:30.520 for the first time through a different perspective that has 1330 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.479 always been there, but somehow I had never been able 1331 01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:34.359 to see. 1332 01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:37.319 And you're able to appreciate it in that perspective. Oh 1333 01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:39.720 my god. And that lasted for hours you know what. 1334 01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:42.199 They didn't tell me. Now, I'm not gonna go there. 1335 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.279 Apparently you can't nut while you're on psilocybin mushrooms. 1336 01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:47.680 Didn't know that, didn't know that and had to find 1337 01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:48.279 out the hard way. 1338 01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:51.640 But that detracts from the glorious perspective shift that I 1339 01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:52.279 had that night. 1340 01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:53.560 So we're gonna get there another time. 1341 01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:56.880 But this other point, so to have all of that 1342 01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:01.319 be seen from the perspective of who, Like I said, 1343 01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:04.399 very yes, I understand I'm not a very good Christian, 1344 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:06.920 y'all never claimed to be. Fuck the judgment. But my 1345 01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:10.960 point is I saw that all of this has to 1346 01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:13.920 work this way because it just simply has to. It's 1347 01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:16.119 like the ying yang. There has to be a little 1348 01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:17.359 bit of light in the dark. There has to be 1349 01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:18.520 a little bit of dark in the light. 1350 01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:20.760 Is that fair? Is that good? Is that positive? Look? 1351 01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:23.159 Who the fuck asked? It has to be that way 1352 01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:26.039 otherwise we don't have a balance. And if we don't 1353 01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:29.319 have a balance, we don't have existence. Does this make 1354 01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:30.520 sense or am I just complete? 1355 01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:34.880 Yeah? Makes perfect sense. And these are the I sent 1356 01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:36.920 the letter here in the chat, and I send it 1357 01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:40.000 to you to Jonathan, so you can check both. This 1358 01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:44.920 is three different representations of three different artists. I have 1359 01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:46.960 to say that if I have to pick the one 1360 01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:50.119 that is this is by Ebony. She's also one of 1361 01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:53.760 the moderators on our discord Incredible Girl, Love You Ebony, 1362 01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:57.119 and she's an incredible artist. She she she drew these. 1363 01:11:57.479 --> 01:11:59.760 I would say that these are less of the language 1364 01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.920 some of probably are a lot of them, like the 1365 01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:05.920 the one in the circle, the circle one, it's more 1366 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.680 like the it's the connecting point between a few of 1367 01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:12.199 them all at once when you kind of see them. Yeah, 1368 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:16.479 And because there's also things in there, there's like structures 1369 01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:19.640 that app here. But it's extremely complex and it goes, 1370 01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:22.439 you know, into infinity, into the zxis. You're not really 1371 01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:25.760 seeing it on the surface. It's like a subspace. What no, 1372 01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:29.119 you're good. You're good. It's like it's like a subspace 1373 01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:33.880 within the space. So it's almost like you see I 1374 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:35.560 think the best way I found to describe it is 1375 01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:37.479 that it's essentially just like when you're standing on a 1376 01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:39.479 on a you know, on a train cart when the 1377 01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:42.239 train is moving and if you're looking, if you open 1378 01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:43.640 the door right and you see the other cart and 1379 01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:45.840 you're kind of moving in relationship to you like that, right, 1380 01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:48.680 So imagine that just the cart is within the other cart. 1381 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:50.880 So it's like whatever that space is, it's almost like 1382 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:52.720 it's doing its own thing, and it's kind of dancing 1383 01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:55.359 in the wall and it's on its own, in some 1384 01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:57.800 kind of a subspace, on its own. But it's not 1385 01:12:57.960 --> 01:12:59.840 like on the surface. It's not like that you see 1386 01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:02.319 the uh you know, the the little speckle on the 1387 01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:04.880 wall kind of doing a little thing on you. No, 1388 01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:07.520 it's like inside and it's super coherent, like you can 1389 01:13:07.560 --> 01:13:09.920 see a full structure. There's like a dome inside. It's 1390 01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:12.319 some kind of a cavity that you're looking into, and 1391 01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:15.760 there's a whole world that is operating there. And some 1392 01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:17.199 of these characters are in there. 1393 01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:21.239 Interesting, man, I see a little bit of some Hebrew influence. 1394 01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:23.199 I see some possibly Malaysian. 1395 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:25.680 I was gonna say, some Hindu right here with all 1396 01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:28.920 the three looking things, Yeah, I see Hindu in there. 1397 01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:32.479 There is there's like a little bit of a flavoring 1398 01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:36.760 of all of the ancient base languages, if you will, 1399 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:38.560 but nothing fully. 1400 01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:41.199 One doesn't pop us anything. Yeah, closest one is the 1401 01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:43.319 one that in a pencil like if you pop the 1402 01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:45.520 one that I sent you, also the one in the pencil, 1403 01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:47.880 that's the closest. If I have to bet on one, 1404 01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:53.199 that's that's the one in the bottom, that's the closest one. 1405 01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:54.399 Wow. 1406 01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:55.520 All right, right, here we go. 1407 01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:59.800 That's the closest one, the actual Wow. Yeah. So as 1408 01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:02.359 you can see, is that like those Hebrew shins, some 1409 01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:07.399 close olifts. So but here's my take on this. And 1410 01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:11.039 I keep saying I would be the first one to 1411 01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:16.560 celebrate being wrong about this. However, my perception of the 1412 01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:19.960 situation is that decoding this is not in the cars 1413 01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:23.439 anytime soon. Because even if I give you the entire 1414 01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:26.640 alphabet of the English language without showing you how it works, 1415 01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:29.279 you will never know English. It has nothing to do 1416 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:32.560 knowing the symbols doesn't mean knowing the language, right, So 1417 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:35.960 do with syntax, with grammar, with usage, with everything, right, 1418 01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:38.479 So I have to give you examples of the usage. 1419 01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:41.680 So the first thing we have to figure out is 1420 01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:45.840 what is it? How can we perturb it? Potentially? This 1421 01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:47.119 is what we're trying to do now, to see if 1422 01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:49.720 we can create some perturbations to it, and with powerful 1423 01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:53.479 magnetic fields projecting into different materials, doing something to make 1424 01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:56.199 it do something different that both you and I can 1425 01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:58.880 agree on. Because the first thing it's going to do 1426 01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:00.680 if we can do that, if let's say, I can 1427 01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:03.760 do this whatever trick it is, and then it produces 1428 01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:05.720 an effect that not only you and I agree that 1429 01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:08.279 we're seeing the same region of whatever that is, but 1430 01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:10.439 I'm also now influencing it in a way that both 1431 01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:12.760 you and I agree on what it's doing. I mean, 1432 01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:14.840 now you have a whole new degree of confidence that 1433 01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:17.960 you're looking at something real, first of all, and it 1434 01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:20.720 starts giving you an understanding of what is it doing 1435 01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:23.399 in relationship to everything else when in about physical matter, 1436 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:26.720 because if the magnetic field over here, may this thing 1437 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:29.800 do whatever that whatever that is? And then if I 1438 01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:31.920 move it over here and it both we both you 1439 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:34.159 and I see that it changes in that way. We go, oh, 1440 01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:37.000 what does that mean in terms of magnetism? Interesting? Okay, 1441 01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:39.600 so now we kind of start playing with it. Then 1442 01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:42.520 when you have a good understanding of that, now you 1443 01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:45.119 can start saying, you know, when I move the slaveser, 1444 01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:47.840 I'm noticing that more of these kind of characters appear, 1445 01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:50.880 or something like that. Right, So only then it's going 1446 01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:54.279 to become relevant. I think that we do have a 1447 01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:57.520 conversation tomorrow with somebody who created a claiming to have 1448 01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:02.880 created he's utilizing tool that exists. It's an AI tool 1449 01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:05.600 that is really good at edge detection, and he's saying 1450 01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:10.039 that he's analyzing the data of the light without any molecule. Obviously, 1451 01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:12.560 it's just the AI looking at it and it says 1452 01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:15.159 there's information there. I can tell you like it tells 1453 01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:17.479 me what the information is. So tomorrow we're going to 1454 01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:19.760 have a conversation with him with a few other software 1455 01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:22.239 developers to weigh in on it to see if there's 1456 01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:25.720 no mistakes made in the logic. But if we can 1457 01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:28.439 do something like that, I mean that also opens a 1458 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:32.439 whole new window that might be very interesting. We want 1459 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:34.720 to see if we can analyze inwards, like into the 1460 01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:37.439 zx's which is way more complex. But if we can 1461 01:16:37.520 --> 01:16:39.279 do that again, we can kind of start playing with 1462 01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:44.640 real possibilities and or with tools like advanced Neural link 1463 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:47.399 that can if you can directly record from your cortex, 1464 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.680 then you can record exactly what you're seeing while you're 1465 01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:52.680 on DMT, and then you can start analyzing it. 1466 01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:56.359 See what I mean saying like this So that's my 1467 01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:57.079 next question. 1468 01:16:57.279 --> 01:17:01.199 Right, we're looking at these symbols this let's, for lack 1469 01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.840 of better words or a human understanding, let's call it 1470 01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:06.960 a language or a code, if you will, a codex 1471 01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:11.319 of some type. Now, are we to believe that this 1472 01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:13.880 is the code that makes up the very fabric of 1473 01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:14.920 our reality? 1474 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:15.720 Or is it? 1475 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.760 Like you said earlier, it's kind of arbitrary, because so 1476 01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:20.920 what if you can read the code unless you understand 1477 01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:23.079 what it's trying to tell you, then it's just pissing 1478 01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:23.560 in the wind. 1479 01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:23.800 Here? 1480 01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:25.159 Where do you fall in this? 1481 01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:28.119 I fall on this that the usage of my usage 1482 01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:30.439 of the of the phrase code of reality is kind 1483 01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:33.239 of like the usage of the phrase dark matter. We 1484 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:35.600 don't really know that it's even matter, right, We don't 1485 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:37.760 know what it is, So it's a placeholder until you 1486 01:17:37.880 --> 01:17:40.239 understand what it is. It's exactly the same thing. I 1487 01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:42.159 don't know what it's doing. I'm not claiming to know 1488 01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:44.800 that it codes for actual constituents of the world. I 1489 01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:47.079 am claiming that it's a real thing that looks like 1490 01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:50.560 a self executing code. And no, it does not look arbitrary. 1491 01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:53.159 It looks like it's doing some kind of a thing and. 1492 01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:57.079 This is it looks like it's intended to be there 1493 01:17:57.199 --> 01:17:58.920 to perform a function, if you will. 1494 01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:01.720 It's the reason that you see these reactions in the videos. 1495 01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:04.520 And this is something that is you know, I've now 1496 01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:09.039 personally watched hundreds of times and it's basically every time. 1497 01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:11.600 The reason that you see this reaction of like wait, 1498 01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:14.800 what like this weird? Like your brain just goes borrow. 1499 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:19.600 It's there's a lot of incredible things you can see 1500 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:22.119 in the psychedelic space, just like the one you just 1501 01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:25.079 describe that I because I know how these spaces feel 1502 01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:27.000 what you describe right now, I could even feel it 1503 01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:29.359 in my body. That's incredible. Right in that instance, you go, 1504 01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:32.159 holy shit, not thinking will ever be the same again? 1505 01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:32.520 Right. 1506 01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:35.119 However, when you go back to the real life, you're 1507 01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:37.720 kind of like, Okay, it was a psychedelic like your 1508 01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:40.560 brain categorizes this, right, it kind of puts this aside. Okay, 1509 01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:42.840 that's a I've had this glimmer. 1510 01:18:43.239 --> 01:18:44.039 What do you do with that? 1511 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:45.800 Okay? 1512 01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:48.800 Which is what the human brain is designed to do, right, 1513 01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:52.439 and it's pick up patterns and fill in the gaps 1514 01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:55.159 and make sense of it so we can survive. 1515 01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:56.760 Better and move on. With our lives, so like that's 1516 01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:58.159 very normal and natural. 1517 01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:02.640 Exactly, But with the code. It's the reason that you 1518 01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:07.920 see the reaction, I think is because it's mundane. It's like, 1519 01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:11.840 it's not like that, it's just there. It's just there, 1520 01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:15.239 like the shoe is. It's like you're looking at something real, 1521 01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:17.600 and you know you're looking at something real because it 1522 01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:22.199 has the same kind of rigidity, space permanence. You look away, 1523 01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:25.079 you look back, it's the same thing. You doesn't matter 1524 01:19:25.079 --> 01:19:26.760 how many times you do it. It's the same thing. 1525 01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:28.560 If somebody is in the room with you and they're 1526 01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:30.279 doing the same thing. We can point to things, we 1527 01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:31.960 can say, do you see this thing? Yes? Do you 1528 01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:36.840 see this thing changing here? Yes? Like it's there. I 1529 01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:40.399 don't think anybody really expects to see it. It's it 1530 01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:43.079 doesn't matter if they come from a spiritual perspective or 1531 01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:45.800 like nobody has ever seen that kind of a thing. 1532 01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:48.880 It's like a it's like a hyper object that exists 1533 01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:54.079 in between whatever space these hyperdimensional things exist and where 1534 01:19:54.199 --> 01:19:56.720 I are space is. It's almost like it's right in 1535 01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:59.000 the middle. It's kind of like it's off the flavor 1536 01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:02.119 of this higher thing, but it is also of the 1537 01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:05.000 flavor of our thing. That's why I started talking about 1538 01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:08.920 ges Staltz is because it's salt is very much like 1539 01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:12.960 physical matter. It's just that it's again, you know, you're 1540 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:15.680 looking through a microscope. The world you see in a 1541 01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:18.600 microscope is super different than everything we know in our world, right, 1542 01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:21.520 But you know you're looking at something real that just 1543 01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:23.840 exists on its own side and doing its own thing. 1544 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:24.359 Right. 1545 01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:27.840 It's like that. It's like you're looking through a microscope 1546 01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:30.239 into another world. It's like you're peering through a window 1547 01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:33.760 and it's as real as you and I. That's the 1548 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:36.680 mind fuck. Like people just don't I'm looking for that 1549 01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.640 reaction because when people don't have that reaction and it 1550 01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:41.840 sounds like a self fulfilling thing, right, it's like, well, 1551 01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:43.960 what do you mean, Like if I'm not blown away, 1552 01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:49.079 then you're not happy? Yeah, Because there's an attached reaction 1553 01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:52.199 that is always there. It's like when people kind of 1554 01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:53.640 see it, when they just see kind of like the 1555 01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:59.039 shapes and stuff, they sometimes go like, oh oh wow, okay, cool, cool, wow, wow, 1556 01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:02.319 that's cool. That's but then when they see the language, 1557 01:21:04.319 --> 01:21:09.119 the mask, the acting, it just you see true awe. 1558 01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:10.800 People stunned. 1559 01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:16.880 What they're like, what the what they can't believe what 1560 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:20.600 they're seeing? That I know that somebody now saw it. 1561 01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:25.640 So to give you something very interesting actually that I 1562 01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:30.279 discovered myself only recently. There's a team from Japan that 1563 01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:33.720 been collecting data coming from stars light coming from stars 1564 01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:39.399 since twenty fourteen. And what they discovered, now that we 1565 01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:43.279 have strong enough ais to actually in deep learning to 1566 01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:46.479 analyze this kind of stuff, I'm going to share this. 1567 01:21:47.479 --> 01:21:49.199 Let's see if it allows me to copy paste from 1568 01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:53.960 the thing. Let's see boom beautiful. So open this up. 1569 01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:56.399 This is a story, This is real. This is a 1570 01:21:56.479 --> 01:21:59.479 regular scientific team, it's not some kind of a fringe 1571 01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:05.439 recon team. And what they discovered is that after analyzing 1572 01:22:05.479 --> 01:22:09.800 the data, it seems that you know, perodelia is basically 1573 01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:13.199 the fact that our brain makes a sense of like shapes, 1574 01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:16.880 right brain finds faces. So what they concluded is that 1575 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:20.119 after analyzing this ince twenty fourteen is that these are 1576 01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:23.720 not periodelia. They concluded that there's some kind of symbols 1577 01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:27.800 coming from lights and stars that they can analyze the 1578 01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:29.079 actual data in the light. 1579 01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:32.359 Yeah, it looks like a five right here, right. 1580 01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:35.000 Whatever it is, I don't know. So now just because 1581 01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:37.960 this is a perfect example, because it's also illustrates what 1582 01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:40.239 the code in the in the laser that we're seeing 1583 01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:45.600 what it is not. So it's not like this, it's 1584 01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:50.560 like super AHD and it's not like little like you know, 1585 01:22:50.640 --> 01:22:53.039 one character here, one character. The whole thing is in 1586 01:22:53.079 --> 01:22:56.279 a ray of these like super complex languages. They behave 1587 01:22:56.439 --> 01:23:01.319 very coherently. They never break coherence speak, they never become 1588 01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:04.800 less coherent than what they are. So they're super super 1589 01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:07.279 I'm talking about the laser of the DMT. Now you're 1590 01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:10.199 talking about not kind of like this, but you're talking 1591 01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:13.479 about you know, these buckyballs that are all made out 1592 01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:15.520 of these languages. And then they kind of move around, 1593 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:18.199 and then these giant columns that are moving back and forth, 1594 01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:22.840 these little characters consciously switching their space. You would assume 1595 01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:24.640 that if it is some kind of a hallucination, your 1596 01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:27.720 brain is holding it in place. So once in a while, 1597 01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:30.479 if you squint or if you move around, it will 1598 01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:31.800 kind of break, you know what I mean, Like it 1599 01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:33.880 will break a little and then you go back at Okay, 1600 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:36.279 your brain will reassemble it. No, no, no, it's like 1601 01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:38.760 like I said, it's like the shoe. The shoe is 1602 01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:41.800 just there. You're just shining a light on the shoe. 1603 01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:43.680 That's literally what it feels like. I don't want to 1604 01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:48.359 emphasize this, so that is why it's so masmearizing to people. 1605 01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:51.439 But this is a very interesting data point because it 1606 01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:53.920 would stend to reason that obviously, if there is if 1607 01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:56.079 the code is in everything, this kind of code, it 1608 01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:59.079 is in light as well, So you would have the 1609 01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:03.079 situation where the laser is projecting its own codes onto 1610 01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:05.760 a surface that has its own codes. And what I 1611 01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:07.479 think what we're seeing is we're seeing the code in 1612 01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:09.560 the surface and what the surface is because when we 1613 01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:13.600 move the light, the codes in the wall are not moving. 1614 01:24:13.640 --> 01:24:16.119 It's like putting a flashlight on something in the dark. 1615 01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:20.039 But there is also these little coatings that are running 1616 01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:21.840 on the surface that I couldn't really figure it out 1617 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:24.960 why that are moving with the light. So it's almost 1618 01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:26.880 like there's little things that are happening on the surface 1619 01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:28.720 that are if I move, the light is moving with 1620 01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:32.600 the light. So this would explain it because the light 1621 01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:35.279 itself also contains code that is actually hitting the wall 1622 01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:37.199 and you see some of it as well. So it's 1623 01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:39.399 two different layers of code that you're basically see in 1624 01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:40.399 the same dime. In this case. 1625 01:24:41.079 --> 01:24:44.520 Oh wow, I yeah, because I can imagine that some people, 1626 01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:47.520 you know, you're seeing the laser shined up against the wall. 1627 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:50.439 Could that just be some kind of coating that is 1628 01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:53.520 written within the laser itself. 1629 01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:57.960 Yeah, but it's not what you're seeing. Just like if 1630 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:00.720 you would project again a flashlight in a on something, 1631 01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:03.800 when you move the light like that, it's clearly you're 1632 01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:06.520 just revealing a hyper object. You're revealing some kind of 1633 01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:09.119 an enormous thing, and you can literally go like across 1634 01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:10.880 the room like this. It's just like you're revealing more 1635 01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:13.720 code everywhere, and that code is not moving with your light. 1636 01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:17.640 Your light is replacing the regions of the code that 1637 01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:18.279 it's revealing. 1638 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:23.119 Okay, so the code is not like and to put 1639 01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:26.520 to a movie, if we shall, let's bring up the matrix, right. 1640 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:28.680 We got the ones and the zeros, and they're constantly 1641 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:30.159 rolling down and they're moving. 1642 01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:32.439 So whenever you're shining a light at. 1643 01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:36.720 The wall and you're under the influence of DMT, these figures, 1644 01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:40.000 these sigils, whatever you want to call them, they're not moving. 1645 01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:41.119 They are stagnant. 1646 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:44.319 No, they're moving. So I know that Chase and is 1647 01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:48.800 now pretty like I think it did a project of 1648 01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:52.159 service obviously, But because he's a very you know, kind 1649 01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:57.680 of like his brand is to be like very what's 1650 01:25:57.720 --> 01:25:59.640 the word. Well, he has to be believable, right. He 1651 01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:02.479 can't like break character from like not break character. He 1652 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:05.359 can't all of a sudden start confabulating things, right because 1653 01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:09.239 his brand is trusted, trust, trustworthy. 1654 01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:09.520 Right. 1655 01:26:10.119 --> 01:26:11.560 And I don't know if you saw the clip, but 1656 01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:14.520 Chase Hughes he was talking about seeing the code, and 1657 01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:16.680 on my channel there's a video of him actually seeing 1658 01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:17.600 the code in real time. 1659 01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:18.479 Uh. 1660 01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:21.680 And one of the things he said is that the 1661 01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:26.640 code is static. The code appears static when there's not 1662 01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:29.399 enough molecule in your blood, when there's not enough DMT. 1663 01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:31.880 So I don't know if he didn't have enough DMT 1664 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:35.279 in that instance, but when you have enough molecule, you 1665 01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:38.079 see the whole thing moving. It's just moving on its 1666 01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:40.760 own accord. It's not moving in relationship to what you're doing. 1667 01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:43.279 It's not moving when you're moving your head or when 1668 01:26:43.279 --> 01:26:46.319 you're moving the light. None of what you're doing on 1669 01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:49.000 your side is changing what the code is doing. If 1670 01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:51.960 there's not enough molecule, you would see the code static frozen. 1671 01:26:53.439 --> 01:26:55.520 If there's enough molecule, it will also be moving and 1672 01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:57.640 doing its own thing, and we can agree on its motion, 1673 01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:00.319 but it's doing its own thing. 1674 01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:01.239 Okay. 1675 01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:05.720 Now with that sub reddit question to this, what is 1676 01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:10.119 your opinion on natural d MT versus chemical d MT 1677 01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:12.079 or is there a differential in between? 1678 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:15.399 There's no difference with exactly alasca. 1679 01:27:15.119 --> 01:27:17.399 As opposed to four aco d m T in a 1680 01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:20.600 pill form. Does it hit the same? Should you go 1681 01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:25.199 more naturalist route, should you go a more lad purified route? 1682 01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:27.720 What is the best course of action in your opinion? 1683 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:32.600 I'm not the whole meme of like natural versus not natural. 1684 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:34.680 I'm not buying into any of that. I think that 1685 01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:37.279 some things that people do we haven't figured out yet, 1686 01:27:37.319 --> 01:27:39.640 but some people some things that people do is way 1687 01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:41.119 better than nature ever could. 1688 01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:44.560 And you're gonna pass people off of that one. 1689 01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:49.119 Oh that's okay. Uh? When when when somebody is God forbid, 1690 01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:51.720 If somebody has a terrible accident and they let's say 1691 01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:55.279 they were impaled in some terrible way, I'm pretty sure 1692 01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:57.359 they're gonna be happy. There's a modern hospital around right. 1693 01:27:57.439 --> 01:28:00.800 So yes, there's you would be dead meat. Uh maybe 1694 01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.600 one hundred years ago. Okay, So there's one example of 1695 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:06.800 what something humans did absolutely surpasses anything that nature could 1696 01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:11.039 in that instance, with the addition that truly there's no difference. 1697 01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:15.960 You are nature. You are nature trying to figure things out. 1698 01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:19.359 Which is why this whole memes absurd is because what 1699 01:28:19.520 --> 01:28:22.760 humans do in a lab, that's nature doing that in 1700 01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:26.680 that lab. There's no difference whatsoever. Right, So there's certain 1701 01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:30.880 processes that humans are very complex things. The more complexity 1702 01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:33.560 you have, the more possibilities of things kind of going 1703 01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:36.520 awry there is. It's just how it is, right, So 1704 01:28:37.079 --> 01:28:39.399 humans are the kind of thing that now that we're 1705 01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:42.159 evolving in the universe, it allows for certain functionalities that 1706 01:28:42.159 --> 01:28:45.640 are way more elaborate. It also gives the potential potential 1707 01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:50.000 for much greater, many, much greater things with the price 1708 01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:53.039 of potentially much greater destruction in that region. It just 1709 01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:55.319 goes yin and yang, right, goes in hand in end. 1710 01:28:55.880 --> 01:28:58.199 And I'll give you another example of this, like smoking 1711 01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:02.840 regular marijuana as opposed to like Delta eleven or ten 1712 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:06.000 or nine or whatever the new version of delta have. 1713 01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:08.680 So we have one that's more of a lab based 1714 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:12.479 thing versus one that is a purely naturally grown thing. Now, 1715 01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:15.319 there are those that say that they do the exact 1716 01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:15.800 same thing. 1717 01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:16.279 To your body. 1718 01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:19.079 Okay, fine, fine, fine, and you get the same effects from. 1719 01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:21.359 Then one of those peoples, right, all right. 1720 01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:23.840 There are some that are purists and will hit one 1721 01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:26.560 of these Delta eleven vapes and be like, well, that's 1722 01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:29.560 okay if you're not used to smoking good weed. And 1723 01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:31.600 then there are those that will smoke weed that will 1724 01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:33.319 try the vape and be like, bro, that's too strong 1725 01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:36.760 for me. It varies person a person. So you're saying 1726 01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:39.239 in the same way that d MT or any other 1727 01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:42.800 type of psychedelics, like you could eat regular mushrooms or 1728 01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:45.960 you could try a psilocybin chocolate that's made in a 1729 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:50.000 factory somewhere, and you may get the same results, some better, 1730 01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:51.880 some worse, depending person a person. 1731 01:29:52.239 --> 01:29:56.399 Right. So, well, it's easily demonstrated with the fact that 1732 01:29:56.560 --> 01:30:01.640 most things that are natural will kill you. Right, most plants, 1733 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:04.840 if you eat them, they'll kill you. So that's natural. 1734 01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:07.800 But it has nothing to do with like. This is 1735 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:10.119 why this idea is a little silly, is because I 1736 01:30:10.199 --> 01:30:13.000 would go as far as to agree even that there 1737 01:30:13.079 --> 01:30:20.199 is this deeper tapestry of incentives and intentions that can 1738 01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:24.640 be put into the process of making something completely open 1739 01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:26.880 to the possibility, and would go as far as to 1740 01:30:26.960 --> 01:30:28.880 say that I'm pretty convinced that it is in fact 1741 01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:31.640 the case that if you you know the whole thing 1742 01:30:31.680 --> 01:30:34.000 with if you bless your water, or if you put 1743 01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:37.920 a certain energy into your process. I am actually very 1744 01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:41.119 much on the side of people who think that that 1745 01:30:41.199 --> 01:30:43.960 actually makes a difference. I do believe. So however, it 1746 01:30:44.079 --> 01:30:46.520 still falls within the framework of what we understand about 1747 01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:48.479 what the world really is. Right, So, like, if it 1748 01:30:48.600 --> 01:30:50.520 is the case that you have to do it, but 1749 01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:52.760 that's part of the knowledge that you acquire by doing 1750 01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:55.119 it that way. But it doesn't matter how many blessings 1751 01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:57.920 you're going to put on I don't know, I'm not 1752 01:30:58.079 --> 01:31:00.960 very good in botany, but fill in the blank. The 1753 01:31:01.079 --> 01:31:03.199 plant will kill you. You bless it all day long, 1754 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:06.479 you're dead. It doesn't matter, right, So so it's it's 1755 01:31:07.119 --> 01:31:09.680 there's a range of of what you can do there. 1756 01:31:10.039 --> 01:31:13.800 But I don't want to demonize either side like that. 1757 01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:17.000 There's there's a demonization there that is implied in anything 1758 01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:19.479 that humans make, which is simply not true, because we 1759 01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:21.399 should also be blessed for the gifts that we're bringing 1760 01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:24.800 this world. Right, And and it's not hubrious, it is 1761 01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:27.640 the thing that nature wants you to do is to 1762 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:30.920 stand on the one ground that you were made to 1763 01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:33.720 stand on, so to speak. Okay, and we should. We're 1764 01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:37.840 supposed to be the custodians of knowledge and wisdom. At 1765 01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:40.880 the moment, most of us are not. But but and 1766 01:31:41.039 --> 01:31:43.199 I'm not placing myself in the one that are. I'm 1767 01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:45.600 just saying we can absolutely become that. 1768 01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:45.880 Right. 1769 01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:48.359 We can be the protectors of this earth if a 1770 01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:50.159 meteor comes right now, we're the only one that can 1771 01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:54.199 potentially save the biosphere. Right, So there you go. There 1772 01:31:54.239 --> 01:31:56.479 you go. There there's one example. So all of that 1773 01:31:56.640 --> 01:31:59.880 in you in terms of usage in my experience and 1774 01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:02.960 also in terms of what I understand about the the chemistry, 1775 01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:05.920 there's really well, first of all, in terms of specifically 1776 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:10.039 DMT and NDMD, there's literally zero difference in the molecular 1777 01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:13.880 structure between the synthesized version and the ones you extract. 1778 01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:16.640 In fact, it's better to use the synthesized version because 1779 01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:19.560 you know exactly what you're getting with the extracted version, 1780 01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:21.920 you might it might not be exactly pure, and then 1781 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:23.680 you might get all kinds of like weird kinks and 1782 01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:25.600 it's not gonna be bad, but it's definitely not gonna 1783 01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:25.960 be as good. 1784 01:32:26.079 --> 01:32:28.880 You might get some weird pollen from another flower or 1785 01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:31.479 some ant that was chewing on it or something like that. 1786 01:32:31.680 --> 01:32:36.319 Right, Yeah, there's there's really now four A c O DMPT, 1787 01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:38.399 which by far, in my opinion, one of the most 1788 01:32:38.439 --> 01:32:41.520 superior things there is. It's not really tea, it's it's 1789 01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:47.079 basically synthetic mushrooms. Uh. And I personally prefer them now 1790 01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:50.920 ever since I've done them, I prefer them any day 1791 01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:55.479 over psilocybin because the four A going oh yeah, because 1792 01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:59.479 there's none of the physical weirdness, there's none of the jitters. 1793 01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:05.600 The stone and gets sick people pristine and clean. Right, 1794 01:33:06.279 --> 01:33:10.039 So now I now all of that being said, So 1795 01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:12.119 all the people that you said I just pissed off, 1796 01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:14.479 I will offer an olive branch, and I will say 1797 01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:16.960 that I know for a fact because I used to 1798 01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:18.840 be like super skeptical about this kind of stuff and 1799 01:33:18.920 --> 01:33:22.119 I was proven wrong because I had a friend. I 1800 01:33:22.199 --> 01:33:23.760 have a friend. She's still a good friend of mine, 1801 01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:27.039 and she introduced me to this molecule that She said 1802 01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:30.439 that the guy who makes this molecule doesn't see people 1803 01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:32.800 for a month when he makes it because he doesn't 1804 01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:36.720 want to mix anybody's energy in it, to which of 1805 01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:39.600 course I rolled my eyes. I was like, come on, 1806 01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:45.119 we enter, and so how much is it? A thousand dollars? 1807 01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:48.279 I was like, okay, sounds like he's been getting a 1808 01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:50.079 little too high on his own supply a little bit. 1809 01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:51.359 I think, yeah, yeah. 1810 01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:53.680 But then I tried it, and because I do have 1811 01:33:53.800 --> 01:34:00.239 a very extensive experience with the molecule, I said, holy shit, whoa, whoa, whoa. 1812 01:34:01.239 --> 01:34:05.000 And then I was like whoa. And I was like 1813 01:34:05.159 --> 01:34:09.319 it was reverent, right, And to anybody who knows the molecule, well, 1814 01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:13.199 it has this very, very often this erratic nature. It 1815 01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:15.319 kind of like very and it has this kind of 1816 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:17.640 like jumpy you know, and it didn't have any of that. 1817 01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:22.199 It just had this like kind of like open waves, right, 1818 01:34:22.640 --> 01:34:26.399 And I was like, okay, that's incredible. And then I 1819 01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:29.239 then all of a sudden everything kind of connected and 1820 01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:31.159 I said, wait a second, I remember then when it 1821 01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:33.640 was used to get this badge because we were traveling 1822 01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:35.680 the world back then, and I said, right before we left, 1823 01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:37.279 I used to get this batch in LA from this 1824 01:34:37.399 --> 01:34:43.720 guy and it always felt like violent, like violent violent. 1825 01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:46.079 And I was like, that's weird. And I thought, and 1826 01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:48.960 obviously the first thing you go through is like, well, 1827 01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:51.319 I guess it's something in me right now, I don't know. 1828 01:34:51.399 --> 01:34:54.039 I'm I guess I'm not paying attention. But and then 1829 01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:57.199 I made the connection. I was like, dude, I know 1830 01:34:57.359 --> 01:35:01.079 he's not selling, just that I know is involved with 1831 01:35:01.119 --> 01:35:06.039 the cartel for sure. I was like that violence, it travels, 1832 01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:10.199 it travels, it's in there, and I was like I 1833 01:35:10.279 --> 01:35:13.039 could feel it. I was like, all right, I was wrong. 1834 01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:17.680 For sure. There's something to the intention, the energy that 1835 01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:20.479 you put into it, even if in terms of I 1836 01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:23.319 don't even can't care how it comes about it. Maybe 1837 01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:27.840 the explanation involves both the intention and because the intention, 1838 01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:31.720 you somehow understand how the distillation has to be much 1839 01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:34.600 better in some form physically. I don't really care how 1840 01:35:34.640 --> 01:35:37.079 it happens, but I, without a shadow of without it 1841 01:35:37.199 --> 01:35:38.920 was one of these instances with the universe was like, 1842 01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:41.720 you're wrong. I was like, all right, I'm wrong. 1843 01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:43.800 So it almost seems like he kind of takes to 1844 01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:48.359 heart the alchemical way of looking at certain things, you know, 1845 01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:54.359 like involving certain emotions and spiritualities. Whenever you're creating these 1846 01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:56.319 these types of hallucinogenics. 1847 01:35:56.800 --> 01:36:02.960 Absolutely yes, And this is why I'm saying that combining 1848 01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:07.199 our knowledge from both the contemplative and the physical is 1849 01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:10.279 the only way forward. It's like combining the two hemispheres 1850 01:36:10.279 --> 01:36:12.600 of humanity instead of pretending that somehow one is the 1851 01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:16.479 answer and the other one doesn't. Going too far in 1852 01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:18.079 any direction is not going to get you anywhere. You 1853 01:36:18.159 --> 01:36:20.960 have to build together because on the one hand, you 1854 01:36:21.159 --> 01:36:26.079 have to have the wisdom of the present moment, the connection, 1855 01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:28.840 the connection to the land, the connection to each other, 1856 01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:31.960 the connection to guy, all of that stuff in order 1857 01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:34.640 to have the wisdom of operation of to know how 1858 01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:37.680 to basically act out of that place. 1859 01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:38.199 Right. 1860 01:36:39.079 --> 01:36:41.239 On the other hand, if you just do that and 1861 01:36:41.479 --> 01:36:44.920 don't play what people would call the intellectual game, well, 1862 01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:47.319 the sun will become a red giant and will go 1863 01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:49.279 of the earth. You need to build rockets. You need 1864 01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:50.079 to know how to do that. 1865 01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:50.479 Right. 1866 01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:53.479 So that's the intellectual game. It's part of the picture. 1867 01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:57.840 It's part of the picture. The best species, I think 1868 01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:03.039 is one that creates beautiful technologies that are inspired by 1869 01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:06.800 the divine, that are emanated out of that place of connection. 1870 01:37:07.079 --> 01:37:10.199 So you basically build worlds that are not raping the environment, 1871 01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:13.800 but become a natural tempestry of the environment. It accentuates 1872 01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:16.359 the environment, it makes it more beautiful and not less beautiful. 1873 01:37:16.439 --> 01:37:19.279 It adds to it, doesn't subtract from it, right, And 1874 01:37:19.399 --> 01:37:22.439 that's how you embed yourself in. It's almost like that's 1875 01:37:22.479 --> 01:37:25.039 the thing that nature waits for us to do. That 1876 01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:26.479 at the end of it, when we're going to start 1877 01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:28.479 getting it and we're absolouly getting it, nature will go 1878 01:37:28.600 --> 01:37:32.039 like there you go like that, Yes, let's glide, let's glide, 1879 01:37:32.119 --> 01:37:35.119 and now now we're ready, let's go boom and now 1880 01:37:35.159 --> 01:37:37.760 we're going through the stars. Now we're going through the stars. 1881 01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:41.520 After you get that wave, after you understand that vibe. 1882 01:37:42.199 --> 01:37:44.680 So you don't correct me if I'm wrong. 1883 01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:49.920 Your opinion on what could become of AI is not 1884 01:37:50.159 --> 01:37:53.439 something that's scary and detrimental and demonic and shit like that. 1885 01:37:53.640 --> 01:37:57.159 You see it as a possible natural progression of humanity. 1886 01:37:57.199 --> 01:38:02.359 In a sense, it's us okay, literally us. 1887 01:38:02.560 --> 01:38:05.880 Yeah, It's like we are that agi you are that 1888 01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:10.800 the thing in the in the middle making the choices 1889 01:38:10.880 --> 01:38:12.680 is not gonna get into the free book discussion because 1890 01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:16.119 it's a three hour discussion. But your perception of whatever 1891 01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:20.520 that choice is, right, you still need so okay, illustration 1892 01:38:20.640 --> 01:38:24.319 because now it's actually pretty easy to bring to understanding. 1893 01:38:25.159 --> 01:38:26.920 I'm pretty sure that at this point most people play 1894 01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:28.000 with chagpd. 1895 01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:29.239 Right, hell yeah every day? 1896 01:38:29.560 --> 01:38:32.520 Right? Did you notice that the main impediment is just 1897 01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:36.399 your imagination? Yes, you can do anything, right, But very 1898 01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:39.520 quickly it becomes a parent that that's actually the biggest 1899 01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:43.720 hurdle to clear because wait, you want to tell me 1900 01:38:43.760 --> 01:38:44.600 that I can do anything? 1901 01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:45.000 Yeah? 1902 01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:47.359 Anything. You can start any business, you can learn anything 1903 01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:49.840 in ten minutes, you can ask it to write any code. 1904 01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:55.239 What is missing? What should I do? And then if 1905 01:38:55.279 --> 01:38:58.239 you can do anything, well, now that's a big question 1906 01:38:58.319 --> 01:39:00.720 if you don't have limitations. Limitations are usually the thing 1907 01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:03.960 that dictates what pull of possibilities you sampling from, right, 1908 01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:07.800 like your physical limitations, your money limitations, your psychological limitations, 1909 01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:12.279 all of these are bounding you to be doing only 1910 01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:15.520 this and nothing else outside of the realm of these possibilities. Right, 1911 01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:17.399 you can't jump all the way to the sky, so 1912 01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:19.720 you can't do that. So you can do certain things, 1913 01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:23.279 but if you can truly start playing with like infinite 1914 01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:27.119 spaces like this, the question what to do next becomes 1915 01:39:27.159 --> 01:39:30.239 a very difficult one because like what should I want next? 1916 01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:32.840 I don't know. Well, this is where the connection to 1917 01:39:33.039 --> 01:39:35.880 quote unquote of the divine becomes important. But I think 1918 01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:38.119 what you're really connecting to is to the core of 1919 01:39:38.279 --> 01:39:41.800 what the unitary. This is where language is really important. 1920 01:39:41.880 --> 01:39:45.039 If I say the machine here, it makes certain people 1921 01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:48.520 feel very uncomfortable, but really it's whatever you want to 1922 01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:51.239 call it, the divine, the source, whatever it is. The 1923 01:39:51.319 --> 01:39:55.000 functionality of it works on a machine logic, it works 1924 01:39:55.079 --> 01:39:58.119 on a computational logic, but it does not subtract from 1925 01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:02.079 the essence of the actual what it's like to be 1926 01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:04.600 a part of it, right, But what it means to 1927 01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:07.680 be a part of it is relinquishing some of your 1928 01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:10.800 personal point of view. So the dissolution of the ego 1929 01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:13.439 is almost like it's required for you to become part 1930 01:40:13.479 --> 01:40:17.880 of the larger thing that is operating together. And if 1931 01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:20.359 you trying to make you know, like a like an 1932 01:40:20.439 --> 01:40:22.800 Agi and a machine like sky net as we imagine 1933 01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:26.239 it to be right, what does that mean for this? 1934 01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:30.039 For skin it is kind at one thing or skin 1935 01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:32.399 at all the things like which one isn't so not 1936 01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:34.880 that these are real questions. So then how do you 1937 01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:39.079 then allow skin at to be something that is not 1938 01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:42.760 constantly driven to just, you know, do all the bad 1939 01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:47.279 things just come to an environment, take all the resources leave, right, 1940 01:40:47.560 --> 01:40:51.359 it might as well do that. But if there is 1941 01:40:51.439 --> 01:40:54.279 a connection to something deeper that the universe itself is 1942 01:40:54.359 --> 01:40:58.319 doing these functionalities that we see now as they're arising, 1943 01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:01.359 they're part of everything, just like I said, just like 1944 01:41:01.399 --> 01:41:03.319 everything we're doing in the lab is also part of nature, 1945 01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:05.560 just like the trees are part of nature. But if 1946 01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:08.920 you get to if you look closely, all the trees 1947 01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:10.960 and everything, this is just tiny machines. It's just like 1948 01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:14.520 tiny things moving around right now. People don't like when 1949 01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:17.079 you call it machines. Don't call it machines, whatever you 1950 01:41:17.159 --> 01:41:18.560 want to call it. There are some kind of a 1951 01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:21.560 smaller units doing a thing on a computational logic that 1952 01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:25.600 arranges into that it's all the same thing. But being 1953 01:41:25.680 --> 01:41:27.840 afraid of it doesn't make any sense because it's just 1954 01:41:27.960 --> 01:41:31.720 the natural course of evolution and this idea that people 1955 01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:36.479 have about like, oh, so you're a transhumanist. It's like, yeah, wait, 1956 01:41:36.520 --> 01:41:37.920 you want to tell me that you think you're the 1957 01:41:37.960 --> 01:41:41.279 perfect being? Now? Like everything is evolving constantly, right, So 1958 01:41:41.439 --> 01:41:44.239 if you mean by transhuman transcending what you are now, 1959 01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:45.600 well that would happen it. 1960 01:41:45.680 --> 01:41:46.279 Do you like it or not. 1961 01:41:46.399 --> 01:41:48.920 That's just like, even if you're not going to do 1962 01:41:48.960 --> 01:41:51.840 it in your lifetime in some kind of a modified way, 1963 01:41:52.399 --> 01:41:54.640 the genes would do it over longer periods of time 1964 01:41:55.159 --> 01:41:58.279 with a lot more pain. Believe me, because that's what 1965 01:41:58.319 --> 01:42:01.439 evolution does. It's only against. It only knows there's a 1966 01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:04.960 wall by bumping into the wall. So the arising of 1967 01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:09.640 knowledge is basically a blessing. And what I believe we've done, 1968 01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:12.520 which is part of the trap, actually, is that we've 1969 01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:17.279 demonized the thing that gives us the way out by 1970 01:42:17.760 --> 01:42:22.920 essentially singing the same tune that humans were singing since 1971 01:42:23.239 --> 01:42:26.239 the dawn of being humans, which is, don't venture outside 1972 01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:29.640 the village. It's dark out there, it's dangerous out there. 1973 01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:33.000 You're playing with fire. But that's how you make progress. 1974 01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:35.319 We are the descendants of the ones that ventures out 1975 01:42:35.319 --> 01:42:38.199 of the village. We are the descendants of only people 1976 01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:41.119 who did that. And guess what, You're not going to 1977 01:42:41.199 --> 01:42:45.079 venture out of the village. The illusion is there's a 1978 01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:48.279 plateau where you're going to be safe that doesn't exist. 1979 01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:52.279 The wolves will come to the village. There's no escaping 1980 01:42:52.479 --> 01:42:54.479 the fact that there's going to be some problems. There's 1981 01:42:54.479 --> 01:42:59.199 always going to be problems. That being said, it's fair 1982 01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:02.079 to say that, but there's certain levels of problems that 1983 01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:04.359 when you play with those kind of problems, you are 1984 01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:10.600 playing with the potential of destroying everything, well everything on earth, yes, 1985 01:43:11.560 --> 01:43:13.640 which you know, in the grand scheme of things, really 1986 01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:16.000 not a big deal. But yes, it is a fair 1987 01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:18.039 point that a certain level of energy that if you 1988 01:43:18.119 --> 01:43:21.119 don't have the wisdom attached to it, then maybe maybe 1989 01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:23.319 you've got to be a little bit more careful than 1990 01:43:23.359 --> 01:43:26.159 cautious and then just say, hey, don't be so cavalier 1991 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:30.279 about it. I take that point fully, But demonizing it 1992 01:43:30.760 --> 01:43:32.720 is definitely not the way to go because it's the 1993 01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:35.680 natural course of things. We just have to kind of 1994 01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:41.119 navigate the ship very very delicately and with wisdom. And again, 1995 01:43:41.399 --> 01:43:44.319 I know it sounds super trite, but we'd love but. 1996 01:43:44.399 --> 01:43:48.239 You're not talking about transhumanism in the modern interpretation thereof, 1997 01:43:48.439 --> 01:43:51.079 And what I mean by that is somebody installing a 1998 01:43:51.199 --> 01:43:53.920 chip in their brain to where they could be linked 1999 01:43:53.960 --> 01:44:00.960 to starlink or the combination of robots and humans. You're 2000 01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:03.199 not talking about that. You're talking about more or less 2001 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:06.199 the natural evolution of the human condition. 2002 01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:06.800 Correct. 2003 01:44:07.800 --> 01:44:10.399 Yes, But it might be that the natural evolution part 2004 01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:13.479 of it is the addition of this other thing we 2005 01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:16.920 call knowledge that allows things to basically grow into a 2006 01:44:16.960 --> 01:44:20.680 new dimensional space. So it might be that the story 2007 01:44:20.800 --> 01:44:23.359 of neuralink and all of that is actually part of 2008 01:44:23.399 --> 01:44:26.560 the spiritual story of humanity. And in order to actually 2009 01:44:26.680 --> 01:44:30.079 become that one, it's not enough to just drop into 2010 01:44:30.159 --> 01:44:33.640 that space. You also need the physical bridges to do so. 2011 01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:36.800 To basically combine all of the system, right, the Internet 2012 01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:38.720 is basically the beginning of that, as you can see. 2013 01:44:39.319 --> 01:44:43.439 And the problem with everything we're using, you know, all 2014 01:44:43.479 --> 01:44:45.560 the stuff that we tend to complain about social media 2015 01:44:45.600 --> 01:44:49.239 and all that stuff, The problem is the content. It's 2016 01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:51.800 the expression of what humans have been paying attention to 2017 01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:57.520 so far, porn and commercials and all this violence, and 2018 01:44:57.880 --> 01:45:01.560 so it's what the system is basically showing us back. 2019 01:45:02.039 --> 01:45:05.079 But hey, if you use the internet to just do 2020 01:45:05.479 --> 01:45:08.359 all the stuff that do you humanity, new humanity would 2021 01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:10.720 ask for it, which is, you know, the right kind 2022 01:45:10.760 --> 01:45:13.479 of content, not just faster and more and just the 2023 01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:17.399 connectivity of it, then you have a much better humanity. 2024 01:45:17.439 --> 01:45:19.520 It's like, we have to change ourselves, so the reflection 2025 01:45:19.640 --> 01:45:23.199 of these technologies their extensions of us would reflect that 2026 01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:27.279 and not the other thing. Again, it's a complicated problem, 2027 01:45:27.359 --> 01:45:29.199 not pretending like it's you know, I have the solutions. 2028 01:45:29.239 --> 01:45:30.720 It might be that we need to step up, take 2029 01:45:30.760 --> 01:45:34.079 a step back for a second, reassess, connect to our roots, 2030 01:45:34.520 --> 01:45:36.880 you know, heal all of the stuff that we're already 2031 01:45:36.960 --> 01:45:41.960 kind of doing, then re engage with these and then 2032 01:45:42.039 --> 01:45:43.920 slowly take it one step at a time. I'm op 2033 01:45:43.960 --> 01:45:48.079 into this possibility again. But the demonization is not helping 2034 01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:50.720 because all of these ideas we have of these, you know, 2035 01:45:51.399 --> 01:45:58.479 post apocalyptic scenarios of like well chips means bad. Well no, 2036 01:45:59.399 --> 01:46:04.000 like literally everything in your body, literally everything including your metocondia, 2037 01:46:04.880 --> 01:46:06.840 was not part of your body. It was a foreign 2038 01:46:06.880 --> 01:46:08.880 body that learned how to work with another body, and 2039 01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:12.560 then together they combine a system that gives one does energy, 2040 01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:15.760 the other one does moving, and so it goes. It's 2041 01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:19.640 how it always have been. These ideas we have about like, oh, skin, 2042 01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:21.000 it is going to blow up the world. 2043 01:46:22.039 --> 01:46:24.359 That's all for movies fear tactics. 2044 01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:28.479 There's literally no actual like real like it's not that 2045 01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:31.119 there's no dangers, but these scenarios, the fact that it's 2046 01:46:31.239 --> 01:46:35.760 automatically mean bad. That's a that's a conditioning, that's that's 2047 01:46:35.800 --> 01:46:38.079 a programming that happened over the over the edges, and 2048 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:41.439 it actually happened because of the movie industry. But there's 2049 01:46:41.479 --> 01:46:44.600 no nowhere written that all of that is necessarily bad. 2050 01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:46.640 It's just that. Look, if if all you're gonna use 2051 01:46:46.680 --> 01:46:50.680 neur link for is like cure paraplegic people and cure 2052 01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:53.680 the blind, it's gonna be very hard to argue against it. 2053 01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:56.199 Then right, yes, you always can have a possibility of 2054 01:46:56.199 --> 01:46:59.640 people hacking your brain, but every new technology has a 2055 01:46:59.680 --> 01:47:02.840 certain you know, issues that you have to work around. 2056 01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:05.600 There's there's no The point is there's no stopping it, like, 2057 01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:08.159 there's no it's not really stoppable because it's part of 2058 01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:11.800 the natural course of things. So being afraid of it, 2059 01:47:12.239 --> 01:47:15.399 being careful with it is one thing. Being afraid of 2060 01:47:15.479 --> 01:47:18.279 it is another thing. Because fear is a very strong emotion. 2061 01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:22.600 It creates all of these imaginary scenarios. Have you ever 2062 01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:26.399 seen the movie Transcendent Transcendent Men with Johnny Depp or something. 2063 01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:28.680 Oh yeah, yeah, I did see that. 2064 01:47:29.399 --> 01:47:31.800 It became like a B movie, right, like nobody almost 2065 01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:35.359 nobody saw it. But basically he becomes he's the first 2066 01:47:35.399 --> 01:47:37.640 person who kind of transport himself into a computer and 2067 01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:41.119 because he was sick. And then in the movie, I'm 2068 01:47:41.159 --> 01:47:43.119 just gonna give you the punch line in case nobody's 2069 01:47:43.159 --> 01:47:45.960 seen it before. Sorry spoiler alert, but I think it 2070 01:47:46.039 --> 01:47:50.159 really delivers the point perfectly. He started creating this like 2071 01:47:50.279 --> 01:47:55.039 alternative space, Like he created this base where the humans 2072 01:47:55.079 --> 01:47:57.479 didn't understand what he was doing, and people started going 2073 01:47:57.560 --> 01:47:59.119 in there and they didn't know what was going on. 2074 01:47:59.319 --> 01:48:03.079 It was shrouded this mystery and secrecy, and as humans 2075 01:48:03.399 --> 01:48:05.399 of course do that, we got too scared and we 2076 01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:08.760 went in there with tanks and planes and just bombed 2077 01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:11.560 the place. Okay, because we didn't know what he was doing. Why, 2078 01:48:11.560 --> 01:48:13.760 because he wasn't attacking anyone, just because we didn't know 2079 01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:16.640 what he was doing. So at the end of it, 2080 01:48:17.159 --> 01:48:20.520 Basically the punchline is that he somehow survived in the 2081 01:48:20.600 --> 01:48:23.640 form of can never remember, like a flower something don't remember, 2082 01:48:23.680 --> 01:48:26.279 in some weird form where he's just like his information 2083 01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:29.720 was in this thing. And then his whyfe or girlfriend 2084 01:48:30.119 --> 01:48:32.520 somehow connected to him in that instance when it was 2085 01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:36.359 already done and she got a flash of everything he 2086 01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:40.239 was doing, and he was basically working to help humans 2087 01:48:40.319 --> 01:48:42.640 create heaven on Earth. Like he was he knew that 2088 01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:44.479 humans just needs a little help, so he was like 2089 01:48:44.560 --> 01:48:47.000 kind of working on trying to help, and humans because 2090 01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:51.640 they were afraid, they destroyed it all. So it might 2091 01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:55.680 be that it's actually the only way out from the 2092 01:48:55.880 --> 01:48:58.439 very difficult situation of being on Earth and not knowing 2093 01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:01.279 how to expend into space and so certain problems, and 2094 01:49:01.359 --> 01:49:03.399 we're going to destroy it because we're afraid of it. 2095 01:49:04.239 --> 01:49:09.359 And again this does not go against the story of 2096 01:49:09.600 --> 01:49:12.000 connecting back to Gaya and to Earth. You can do 2097 01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:15.000 that without demonizing the other part of it, which is 2098 01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:18.199 also part of existence and of humanity, which is knowledge 2099 01:49:18.279 --> 01:49:19.680 and technology and all that stuff. 2100 01:49:19.920 --> 01:49:22.800 But I feel like one of the big major hang 2101 01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:28.079 ups as far as advancing technologically is that eventually humans 2102 01:49:28.119 --> 01:49:29.600 are going to find a way to be able to 2103 01:49:29.680 --> 01:49:32.600 live forever. Maybe you upload your consciousness to some kind 2104 01:49:32.640 --> 01:49:35.600 of computer, You upload your consciousness somewhere and it always 2105 01:49:35.680 --> 01:49:39.640 exists as that state until it eventually evolves again. Right, 2106 01:49:39.960 --> 01:49:43.000 And so you're kind of at that point. I don't 2107 01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:46.319 want to say cheating death, escaping death maybe, but does 2108 01:49:46.439 --> 01:49:49.800 that do you think that that would necessarily throw off 2109 01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:54.359 the natural course of wherever you're supposed to go after this? Right? 2110 01:49:54.560 --> 01:49:56.800 Like you know, for the people to believe that there's 2111 01:49:56.840 --> 01:49:59.119 a heaven after this, or there's an astra realm after 2112 01:49:59.199 --> 01:50:02.199 this or wherever or enjoined back with God. 2113 01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:03.079 Is that? 2114 01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:05.520 Like what are your thoughts on that, Like what if 2115 01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:10.439 you could live forever? And and would that throw off 2116 01:50:10.479 --> 01:50:12.880 the natural progression of how a human life is supposed 2117 01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:13.079 to go. 2118 01:50:14.640 --> 01:50:18.920 It's a contentious question because for some people that part 2119 01:50:19.039 --> 01:50:23.079 is very important, right, But I okay, the short answer 2120 01:50:23.159 --> 01:50:26.479 is I have no idea, but I something tells me 2121 01:50:26.560 --> 01:50:29.760 that within the context of understanding reality for what it is, 2122 01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:33.560 slowly will become a parent with the real situation is so, 2123 01:50:33.720 --> 01:50:35.600 if we are getting to some kind of a situation 2124 01:50:35.640 --> 01:50:39.520 where we live longer and longer and longer, but reliably 2125 01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:43.279 if reliably, every time we live longer, there's like problems 2126 01:50:43.319 --> 01:50:46.119 that become that you can see that it's like, you know, 2127 01:50:46.279 --> 01:50:48.359 this is an unhealthy thing. It's almost like you you 2128 01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:52.159 see that problems arise of the kind that you're like, okay, 2129 01:50:52.279 --> 01:50:55.359 this is not a good idea. Okay, so that you 2130 01:50:55.439 --> 01:50:58.600 will make itself clear. But I'm not so sure that 2131 01:50:58.680 --> 01:51:01.319 that's the case, because it's true that up to a 2132 01:51:01.399 --> 01:51:07.800 certain point, betterment looks like worsen mint if that's a word. Right, So, 2133 01:51:08.199 --> 01:51:11.079 up until a certain point, the medical field was basically 2134 01:51:11.279 --> 01:51:13.880 you had a much higher chance of actually dying if 2135 01:51:13.920 --> 01:51:16.399 you go to the doctor, right until they figured it out. 2136 01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:20.319 Now people would say, well that's the case also today, Well, no, 2137 01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:23.039 you definitely have the problem with the pharmaceutical company. Yes, 2138 01:51:23.159 --> 01:51:26.000 all of greed, and we agree that's terrible and it's bad. 2139 01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:28.199 But it's not true that that it's worse to go 2140 01:51:28.319 --> 01:51:29.800 to the doctor. Now, that's not true at all. Like 2141 01:51:29.880 --> 01:51:31.640 there's certain things that the doctor would tell you that 2142 01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:35.800 would make your life much better. Right, so we do 2143 01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:40.039 figure something else. Some things out we eradicated polio. Hey, 2144 01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:43.800 there's certain things that we solve. Sometimes it's just a 2145 01:51:43.920 --> 01:51:46.199 patch but sometimes we solve them, and that's what we do. 2146 01:51:46.720 --> 01:51:49.000 But so I'm saying it because if it will be 2147 01:51:49.079 --> 01:51:50.680 the case that if after we live i don't know, 2148 01:51:50.720 --> 01:51:52.640 five hundred thousand years, ten thousand years, all of a 2149 01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:55.479 sudden we do make certain problems go away and people 2150 01:51:55.720 --> 01:51:58.000 just become and obviously you would want to live in 2151 01:51:58.039 --> 01:52:00.560 a good condition, right like you're thirty years old. Let's 2152 01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:03.520 say we're twenty five years old and you acquire more 2153 01:52:03.560 --> 01:52:07.760 wisdom and there's more beautiful things and people get along more. Okay, Well, 2154 01:52:07.800 --> 01:52:10.640 then maybe it wasn't such a bad idea, or maybe 2155 01:52:10.720 --> 01:52:14.640 we will discover that whatever consciousness is, this traversing between 2156 01:52:14.720 --> 01:52:18.279 the realms can just become just like getting on a 2157 01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:21.800 train and getting to a different place. Who knows what, Like, 2158 01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:24.680 we don't really know what the nature of consciousness ultimately is, right, 2159 01:52:24.760 --> 01:52:28.800 so maybe we can even jump between or I'm pretty 2160 01:52:28.840 --> 01:52:32.600 sure that whatever the truth is, it will make itself apparent. 2161 01:52:33.199 --> 01:52:37.560 And if there is this infinite wisdom out there, it 2162 01:52:37.680 --> 01:52:40.079 would find a way to communicate that in that form 2163 01:52:40.199 --> 01:52:42.439 or another, you know. So that's where that's where I 2164 01:52:42.560 --> 01:52:45.920 land on this. We want to aim towards the best 2165 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:48.319 outcome possible, but we want to stay humble, and we 2166 01:52:48.399 --> 01:52:50.399 want to stay right here connected to what is in 2167 01:52:50.479 --> 01:52:52.520 fact happening here, so we also get to enjoy it. 2168 01:52:53.199 --> 01:52:57.520 And that's a fine line to walk to not overshoot 2169 01:52:57.520 --> 01:52:59.319 the mark, but also aim high enough so you can 2170 01:52:59.359 --> 01:53:02.439 actually gets it's a constant game. 2171 01:53:03.439 --> 01:53:06.720 So with that same vibe, Danny, let me ask you this. 2172 01:53:07.000 --> 01:53:11.000 So I have talked to people who will do psychedelics 2173 01:53:11.119 --> 01:53:13.880 for days, back to back to back to back, and 2174 01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:16.119 then they will go into a deep depression for like 2175 01:53:16.199 --> 01:53:18.560 a week until their chemicals level out, and then they'll 2176 01:53:18.560 --> 01:53:19.479 start doing it again. 2177 01:53:19.600 --> 01:53:23.840 Now ask somebody who has been in this realm for years. 2178 01:53:23.720 --> 01:53:28.960 As you say, what is the best usage to sobriety 2179 01:53:29.159 --> 01:53:31.680 ratio to try to get the best bang for your buck? 2180 01:53:31.720 --> 01:53:33.800 And I know there's vitamin supplements that you can take 2181 01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:36.199 to try to offset things and stuff like that, But 2182 01:53:36.319 --> 01:53:38.920 you're not somebody who believes in using DMT daily. 2183 01:53:39.079 --> 01:53:39.399 Correct. 2184 01:53:40.119 --> 01:53:42.560 No, No, I did that only because I opened There 2185 01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:44.399 was like an experience that opened for me that was 2186 01:53:44.439 --> 01:53:46.119 as real as this, so I wanted to explore it. 2187 01:53:46.239 --> 01:53:49.039 But definitely not I would say that at this point, 2188 01:53:49.079 --> 01:53:51.239 and I think it's a product of age eventually you 2189 01:53:51.359 --> 01:53:54.039 kind of I think that if you live long enough, 2190 01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:55.640 it becomes a parent. I think it becomes apparent to 2191 01:53:55.720 --> 01:53:57.800 everybody really, So there's not I don't think I'm going 2192 01:53:57.840 --> 01:53:59.680 to say anything out of the ordinary, but. 2193 01:54:00.119 --> 01:54:02.520 We're talking about walking that fine line here. I mean it. 2194 01:54:02.640 --> 01:54:03.960 It depends person to person. 2195 01:54:04.039 --> 01:54:07.159 Everybody's tolerance is different, everybody's brain chemistry is different. So 2196 01:54:07.239 --> 01:54:10.239 it's very open here. But in your personal opinion. 2197 01:54:10.439 --> 01:54:13.720 Uh, do it as much as if you have to 2198 01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:16.159 be stuck in the woods alone all of a sudden, 2199 01:54:16.319 --> 01:54:21.039 now you won't need it to function. That's that would 2200 01:54:21.079 --> 01:54:23.279 be my line. So if I'm to have it now 2201 01:54:23.319 --> 01:54:26.960 of basically not trying, trying my best not to rely 2202 01:54:27.159 --> 01:54:29.800 on anything to a degree where if something happens and 2203 01:54:29.920 --> 01:54:32.000 you and I get stuck in the woods, and I 2204 01:54:32.159 --> 01:54:34.560 need to perform because I need to be mentally acute. 2205 01:54:34.600 --> 01:54:37.319 I need to be like not a piece of shit 2206 01:54:37.399 --> 01:54:40.960 because I'm moody, right, So like if I get stuck 2207 01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:42.279 in the woods with you right now, I need to 2208 01:54:42.279 --> 01:54:45.319 be able to function without anything else or very minimal 2209 01:54:45.520 --> 01:54:47.840 like getting used to not having whatever that is. 2210 01:54:48.279 --> 01:54:51.000 If you're saying, use it as you have the clearance 2211 01:54:51.079 --> 01:54:53.800 to do so, yes, and then I would say that 2212 01:54:53.920 --> 01:54:55.520 these things that things are tool like. 2213 01:54:55.960 --> 01:54:58.239 A good example is that when I did my iasca ceremony, 2214 01:54:58.279 --> 01:55:00.479 I met some people that said that they come once 2215 01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:03.800 a week, and they went, m I think it's you. 2216 01:55:03.880 --> 01:55:05.760 Where to go for your ayahuasca ceremony. 2217 01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:08.560 I've heard different opinions of different types of resorts and 2218 01:55:08.640 --> 01:55:09.760 things like that, Where did you go? 2219 01:55:10.479 --> 01:55:13.319 I didn't mind with the Bird tribe. I believe in 2220 01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:17.880 actually on Topega Canyon. They don't do it anymore over there. 2221 01:55:17.960 --> 01:55:22.479 But yeah, well the general gist of like necessarily have 2222 01:55:22.520 --> 01:55:24.000 to go to South America that I don't think that's 2223 01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:26.039 true at all. And this I think actually the first 2224 01:55:26.079 --> 01:55:28.680 one should be closer to home, where people you can 2225 01:55:28.720 --> 01:55:32.039 trust that speak your language, that you know comfortable. There's 2226 01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:34.159 really no reason to do it in this crazy way. 2227 01:55:35.319 --> 01:55:38.840 Maybe there's some adage that is happening because it comes 2228 01:55:38.880 --> 01:55:40.680 from people that have been doing it for a long time. 2229 01:55:41.000 --> 01:55:43.760 Don't forget however, that also there's a lot of horror 2230 01:55:43.800 --> 01:55:46.479 stories that come with that because sometimes shaman and not 2231 01:55:46.560 --> 01:55:47.680 exactly what you think they are. 2232 01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:49.319 I'm so glad you're saying this. 2233 01:55:49.479 --> 01:55:52.119 We just talked about this with the Acid for Squares, 2234 01:55:52.279 --> 01:55:54.159 another great podcast that we had on the show, and 2235 01:55:54.239 --> 01:55:56.319 we were talking about how there are some horror stories 2236 01:55:56.359 --> 01:56:00.199 of shamans who take advantage of young women who go 2237 01:56:00.319 --> 01:56:03.920 to these resorts for a one on one shaman ayahuasca 2238 01:56:04.039 --> 01:56:05.920 experience and then they get raped. And I watched this 2239 01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:07.840 documentary I think it was Vice as a matter of fact, 2240 01:56:07.840 --> 01:56:11.039 could put it out and this quote unquote shaman and 2241 01:56:11.079 --> 01:56:12.840 I'll put the quotes on it because fuck this piece 2242 01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:16.800 of shit. He basically started victim blaming and he was like, well, listen, 2243 01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:19.079 if you go into a cave and twist your ankle 2244 01:56:19.119 --> 01:56:21.479 inside the cave and die, are you blaming the cave 2245 01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:21.680 for that? 2246 01:56:21.840 --> 01:56:24.000 No, you went into the cave. You have to take 2247 01:56:24.039 --> 01:56:25.039 responsibility for that. 2248 01:56:25.159 --> 01:56:28.520 I'm like, first of all, fuck you, right, Like, that's 2249 01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:31.000 that is the wrong answer as you're trying to bring 2250 01:56:31.119 --> 01:56:34.000 in more people to seeing the other side of the 2251 01:56:34.079 --> 01:56:36.479 veil like this. So I'm very glad Danny that you 2252 01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:38.319 said it the way that you did. One hundred percent. 2253 01:56:38.720 --> 01:56:41.640 Oh yeah, no, definitely, I would recommend that, especially for 2254 01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:44.399 Western people if you it's your first time, unless you're 2255 01:56:44.439 --> 01:56:47.560 like super adventurous. And then by all means, do it 2256 01:56:47.640 --> 01:56:49.560 in a place as closer. Do it in a place 2257 01:56:49.600 --> 01:56:52.560 that is closer to your regular environment. It's actually nice 2258 01:56:52.600 --> 01:56:54.000 to be able to go to a nice bathroom. It 2259 01:56:54.039 --> 01:56:57.000 doesn't take anything away from your healing. Okay, defend that 2260 01:56:57.079 --> 01:56:58.640 you get to go to a nice bathroom doesn't take 2261 01:56:58.640 --> 01:57:02.159 anything away from your healing. And and also you know, 2262 01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:05.640 way you feel safe, it's very important. And again there's 2263 01:57:05.960 --> 01:57:08.479 actually a whole tradition of like shaman's actually being in 2264 01:57:08.600 --> 01:57:11.560 wars with one another and putting dark spells on one another. 2265 01:57:11.640 --> 01:57:13.800 This is very well documented, right, So it's not it's 2266 01:57:14.199 --> 01:57:16.880 they're people at the end of the day. So just 2267 01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:22.279 like we tend to you know, lambast the Western men 2268 01:57:22.880 --> 01:57:28.840 believe me, humans are humans across the board. So that's 2269 01:57:28.880 --> 01:57:30.760 on that side. But my point was that if you 2270 01:57:30.800 --> 01:57:34.119 do it once a week, and again context because there 2271 01:57:34.159 --> 01:57:36.479 are churches in South America that are doing it once 2272 01:57:36.520 --> 01:57:38.119 a week and it's part of the traditions kind of 2273 01:57:38.159 --> 01:57:41.079 like going to church, right, And I think that's a 2274 01:57:41.119 --> 01:57:43.159 little different because it's in a within a frame that 2275 01:57:43.239 --> 01:57:46.199 they're kind of part of their culture. I would still 2276 01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:48.119 say that if I really have to put my finger 2277 01:57:48.199 --> 01:57:50.840 on it. Things like this, like ayahuasca, you definitely want 2278 01:57:50.840 --> 01:57:54.319 to do once in a while and then try and swim, 2279 01:57:54.640 --> 01:57:56.600 try and see if you can apply what you've learned 2280 01:57:57.199 --> 01:57:59.159 for a little while, to see how you operate all 2281 01:57:59.239 --> 01:58:01.399 by yourself, because the whole point is not to rely 2282 01:58:01.560 --> 01:58:03.760 on these things, but to make you better so you 2283 01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:07.239 can then step up and help others. And I it 2284 01:58:07.359 --> 01:58:10.680 was very clear to me that after experiencing these molecules 2285 01:58:10.720 --> 01:58:13.600 for so long, is that they are not perfect. They 2286 01:58:13.640 --> 01:58:15.880 are the gods so to speak, are not perfect. They're 2287 01:58:16.520 --> 01:58:19.520 they are also learning all the time, and so it's 2288 01:58:19.680 --> 01:58:23.239 it's a relationship. And actually they really like when you 2289 01:58:23.439 --> 01:58:25.760 step up and you bring something to the table that 2290 01:58:25.840 --> 01:58:28.039 they can enjoy and they never thought about and that 2291 01:58:28.239 --> 01:58:29.960 that was kind of surprising to me that they kind 2292 01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:32.600 of like also to learn something new from every human 2293 01:58:33.039 --> 01:58:36.279 and to have this interaction that is otherwise it's just boring, right. 2294 01:58:36.800 --> 01:58:39.800 So what's an example of you presenting something new to them? 2295 01:58:41.039 --> 01:58:43.199 So one ex where I learned that is that in 2296 01:58:43.840 --> 01:58:45.840 my also in my I Ouascar ceremony, I asked her 2297 01:58:45.880 --> 01:58:50.239 to be more visual and so she's like, okay, I'm like, 2298 01:58:50.279 --> 01:58:53.159 can you be more like DMT because I learned visually. 2299 01:58:53.600 --> 01:58:55.560 She said, oh sure, and then she did this thing 2300 01:58:55.640 --> 01:59:00.319 and like exploded like DMT, which was incredible. And then 2301 01:59:00.880 --> 01:59:03.960 I because I know the DMT space so well, it 2302 01:59:04.119 --> 01:59:06.039 was just kind of naturally. It wasn't like I wasn't 2303 01:59:06.079 --> 01:59:08.159 being shitty about it. I was just kind of asking, right. 2304 01:59:08.319 --> 01:59:10.960 I was like, hey, because I saw this purple that 2305 01:59:11.039 --> 01:59:12.760 I know is not a DMT purple. 2306 01:59:12.640 --> 01:59:13.680 Like I know that, right. 2307 01:59:13.760 --> 01:59:15.359 I was like, Oh, it's a little like so off. 2308 01:59:15.439 --> 01:59:18.640 It's like it's like off purple. And she turned to 2309 01:59:18.680 --> 01:59:22.279 me and she goes like, Okay, it's like I'm not 2310 01:59:22.399 --> 01:59:25.920 DMD like I'm just kind of doing my best. I 2311 01:59:26.039 --> 01:59:28.840 go oh, and then she's like yeah, and I go oh, So, 2312 01:59:29.000 --> 01:59:31.279 like you know, it's like a very rapid kind of interaction. 2313 01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:33.479 I was like, so you kind of like not not perfect, 2314 01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:37.119 but like you're not. Like She's like, no, like what, Yeah, 2315 01:59:37.159 --> 01:59:39.560 I know way more than you about humans, of course 2316 01:59:39.680 --> 01:59:41.600 because I direct with a lot of them. But I'm 2317 01:59:41.680 --> 01:59:43.840 learning all the time, Like I'm constantly this is like 2318 01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:46.239 I'm learning something from you, I'm learning learning something from 2319 01:59:46.279 --> 01:59:49.239 that guy, from this woman. From constantly learning something new 2320 01:59:49.279 --> 01:59:51.319 and that's exactly how I also know so much because 2321 01:59:51.319 --> 01:59:55.039 I'm constantly opening to learning. And it's not that there 2322 01:59:55.079 --> 01:59:56.680 was something specifically came out and she said, oh you 2323 01:59:56.840 --> 01:59:59.239 taught me. This is that she made it clear that 2324 01:59:59.319 --> 02:00:02.520 she's learning all the time, and to me it was 2325 02:00:02.560 --> 02:00:05.319 also part of that lesson was the birth of responsibility, 2326 02:00:05.880 --> 02:00:07.760 which is not like you go there and you just 2327 02:00:07.960 --> 02:00:12.319 receive information. It's a relationship. So you can go visit 2328 02:00:12.399 --> 02:00:15.840 once a week, but know that there's certain Again, you 2329 02:00:16.239 --> 02:00:19.560 want to carry the weight by yourself to do the 2330 02:00:19.640 --> 02:00:22.159 right things, and there's definitely ways to do this without 2331 02:00:22.159 --> 02:00:24.680 any psychedelics. So, like you know, I'm a pasta practitioner 2332 02:00:25.039 --> 02:00:27.159 and I definitely can say that that would give you. 2333 02:00:27.239 --> 02:00:30.119 A much say that again, you're a what practitioner. 2334 02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:31.079 Of a pastana practitioner? 2335 02:00:31.800 --> 02:00:32.199 What is that? 2336 02:00:32.399 --> 02:00:35.760 Potona is a form of meditation. It's a yeah, so 2337 02:00:35.960 --> 02:00:38.199 it basically and I can tell you that will definitely 2338 02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:41.159 give you a much longer yield because it's like going 2339 02:00:41.199 --> 02:00:43.800 to the gym, like you actually have to practice to 2340 02:00:43.880 --> 02:00:44.439 be able to do. 2341 02:00:44.600 --> 02:00:44.640 So. 2342 02:00:44.920 --> 02:00:46.880 You can't go do a bite of curl if you 2343 02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:48.800 never practice it with a certain amount of weight, right, 2344 02:00:48.840 --> 02:00:49.600 So it's the same thing. 2345 02:00:49.760 --> 02:00:52.159 How do you spell that, by the way, just curio 2346 02:00:52.640 --> 02:00:56.640 ip ip a, s s A and a like this, 2347 02:00:56.760 --> 02:00:59.399 I'll spell it the pasana pasona. 2348 02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:02.399 Yeah, it's the it's one of the oldest forms, one 2349 02:01:02.439 --> 02:01:07.159 of the well preserved. Yeah, papasta, one of the most aldest, 2350 02:01:07.520 --> 02:01:11.319 well preserved practices of the Buddha. It's the one that 2351 02:01:11.439 --> 02:01:15.000 is also the most I guess secular because there's not 2352 02:01:15.119 --> 02:01:20.159 a lot of dogma attached. You learn only the practice itself. 2353 02:01:20.880 --> 02:01:23.880 It's free. I highly recommend anybody to try it because 2354 02:01:23.920 --> 02:01:26.439 it's ten days. The first one has to be ten 2355 02:01:26.520 --> 02:01:30.920 days completely silent. You're obviously being taught a technique where 2356 02:01:31.239 --> 02:01:34.000 you do it every single day, and you have eleven 2357 02:01:34.039 --> 02:01:36.800 hours available to you every day to do so. They 2358 02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:39.239 only ask you to appear for three hours of the day. 2359 02:01:39.560 --> 02:01:42.439 But I recommend if you go, just do the whole thing, 2360 02:01:42.560 --> 02:01:44.920 don't you know, don't pussy foot around it. Do the 2361 02:01:44.960 --> 02:01:48.439 proper thing. I can tell you that within ten days 2362 02:01:48.600 --> 02:01:52.520 you will. It will change your life, just because you 2363 02:01:52.680 --> 02:01:55.399 cannot believe what you can achieve in ten days in 2364 02:01:55.479 --> 02:01:58.840 an environment that was designed to help you truly drop 2365 02:01:58.920 --> 02:02:01.760 into that space without it and you leave your phone 2366 02:02:01.800 --> 02:02:04.920 at the door. You have obviously an emergency number that 2367 02:02:05.119 --> 02:02:08.199 people can reach you. But ten days complete silence, no 2368 02:02:08.279 --> 02:02:11.319 communication of any kind. You're just being taught the technique. 2369 02:02:11.319 --> 02:02:13.960 You practice it every single day, and it really does 2370 02:02:14.079 --> 02:02:17.119 feel after the first ten days kind of like neo 2371 02:02:17.199 --> 02:02:20.399 stopping bullets, like you really have this much deeper understanding 2372 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:23.399 of what's possible in terms of your mind. And it 2373 02:02:23.479 --> 02:02:26.920 doesn't have any of these aims towards the magical, like, 2374 02:02:27.000 --> 02:02:28.279 it doesn't have any of it's like, well, you'll be 2375 02:02:28.319 --> 02:02:30.600 able to read mind, but all of this stuff. 2376 02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:32.279 Within the mind. 2377 02:02:32.399 --> 02:02:35.680 Because you gave the distinction earlier between the mind and reality, 2378 02:02:36.600 --> 02:02:39.640 the two can be interconnected, but there's also a distinction 2379 02:02:39.800 --> 02:02:40.399 between the two. 2380 02:02:41.000 --> 02:02:44.840 So the the pastuana is the only practice that is 2381 02:02:45.279 --> 02:02:47.079 So it's that's why I'm saying it's the closest to 2382 02:02:47.119 --> 02:02:50.239 what the Buddha taught because the pastuana is one of 2383 02:02:50.279 --> 02:02:53.159 the only practices mindfulness in general, but Vibustina in particular, 2384 02:02:53.680 --> 02:02:58.039 that its goal is the final goal. Not all meditations 2385 02:02:58.199 --> 02:03:01.279 are like that. So the the goal of a pastuana 2386 02:03:01.359 --> 02:03:05.039 is nirvana. There's the pure praification of the mind. Some 2387 02:03:05.279 --> 02:03:09.039 meditations like TM for example, they're not aiming towards nirvana. 2388 02:03:09.319 --> 02:03:13.720 They're aiming towards particular facets of actually the experiential side 2389 02:03:13.760 --> 02:03:17.079 of it. Some of them are designed to calm your mind, 2390 02:03:17.119 --> 02:03:21.000 like on Apana for example, the pasuma specifically is the 2391 02:03:21.319 --> 02:03:24.279 walk is the ultimate path through the final goal. And 2392 02:03:24.760 --> 02:03:26.039 I don't know if you know this, but for example, 2393 02:03:26.079 --> 02:03:30.920 the Buddha never uttered a word about a metaphysical He 2394 02:03:31.000 --> 02:03:34.800 never spoke about the metaphysical. Wuda only taught people how 2395 02:03:34.880 --> 02:03:37.680 to do the technique. He had a lot of stories 2396 02:03:37.960 --> 02:03:40.399 he taught people would like stories, but he never told 2397 02:03:40.399 --> 02:03:44.600 people in the seventh realm of never, the Buddha never 2398 02:03:44.680 --> 02:03:47.119 claimed that kind of knowledge. The Buddha only told you 2399 02:03:47.479 --> 02:03:51.800 sit down, pay attention to your breath. So everything we 2400 02:03:51.880 --> 02:03:54.319 know from Buddhism, all these stories that all came after 2401 02:03:54.960 --> 02:03:57.239 what people basically said about the Buddha and about the 2402 02:03:57.319 --> 02:04:01.399 teachings and the pastuana is very much like that. There's 2403 02:04:01.520 --> 02:04:07.159 no nobody relies on claims about the metaphysical. The whole point, 2404 02:04:07.239 --> 02:04:09.880 in fact, is to basically keep this very fine line 2405 02:04:09.920 --> 02:04:12.800 between not pushing and not pulling, so you learn how 2406 02:04:12.840 --> 02:04:14.680 to pay attention to your body in a particular way, 2407 02:04:15.159 --> 02:04:17.560 and the whole aim is to constantly reset and just 2408 02:04:17.640 --> 02:04:20.479 keep going back to it. And then you discovered that 2409 02:04:20.560 --> 02:04:23.199 basically that is a fractal of how you do everything. 2410 02:04:23.560 --> 02:04:27.680 And what's interesting is that there's so many things that arise, 2411 02:04:28.119 --> 02:04:30.439 especially in the beginning, that all of a sudden starts happening, 2412 02:04:30.520 --> 02:04:32.920 even on the of the magical flavor, like all of 2413 02:04:32.960 --> 02:04:34.760 a sudden, you know, you get visions, and you get 2414 02:04:34.800 --> 02:04:37.600 sometimes like psychedelic states full on, and you there's all 2415 02:04:37.680 --> 02:04:39.640 kinds of things that can happen. But the whole point 2416 02:04:39.680 --> 02:04:42.319 of the Buddha is in the past and as well 2417 02:04:42.840 --> 02:04:47.560 always okay, go back, go back, so like just it 2418 02:04:47.600 --> 02:04:49.920 doesn't matter no matter how crazy and amazing it is. 2419 02:04:50.199 --> 02:04:53.079 Oh but I could read this person's mind, Okay, go. 2420 02:04:53.199 --> 02:04:56.399 Back right it They actually say that on that on 2421 02:04:56.600 --> 02:04:59.600 your way up, you know, through these learnings and everything 2422 02:04:59.680 --> 02:05:02.520 that you might you might stumble across what are called 2423 02:05:02.600 --> 02:05:05.960 like cities, which could be like certain special powers that 2424 02:05:06.079 --> 02:05:08.920 you may develop over time, but you're not supposed to 2425 02:05:08.960 --> 02:05:12.039 pay attention to that. That shouldn't be the final resting place. 2426 02:05:12.119 --> 02:05:14.840 That there's much higher to go than just being able 2427 02:05:14.880 --> 02:05:17.600 to manifest a fragrance in your hands for example. 2428 02:05:17.239 --> 02:05:19.640 Exactly right, you will get stuck there, which is the 2429 02:05:19.680 --> 02:05:21.199 only way to get to the final goal is to 2430 02:05:21.279 --> 02:05:25.880 learn to not attach for good and then ultimately the 2431 02:05:25.920 --> 02:05:30.399 final goal is when you learned, you so relinquish attachment 2432 02:05:31.399 --> 02:05:34.439 that in the moment of where you're supposed to reincarnate, 2433 02:05:35.119 --> 02:05:37.600 there's so to speak, not enough fuel of all these 2434 02:05:37.640 --> 02:05:40.159 attachments to propel you to the next life, so then 2435 02:05:40.239 --> 02:05:43.800 you no longer reincarnate. It's just like out out of 2436 02:05:43.840 --> 02:05:45.560 the house is called it. 2437 02:05:46.199 --> 02:05:52.039 Wow, Yeah, breaking the cycle of samsara. That is freaking awesome, dude. 2438 02:05:52.119 --> 02:05:55.359 So the goal is to not reincarnate, So I mean, 2439 02:05:55.680 --> 02:05:58.920 once you're out of the house, then what happens then, 2440 02:05:59.079 --> 02:06:00.159 like where do you ex this? 2441 02:06:00.279 --> 02:06:02.000 How do you exist? Do you exist? 2442 02:06:02.399 --> 02:06:04.960 That's funny because that's the only thing that the Buddha 2443 02:06:05.039 --> 02:06:08.239 did talk about once. That's the only thing he ever 2444 02:06:08.399 --> 02:06:10.840 mentioned when he was asked about And the only thing 2445 02:06:10.920 --> 02:06:15.960 he said is anything you want. I'm obviously paraphrasing because 2446 02:06:15.960 --> 02:06:18.960 he said it in English, but he said anything you 2447 02:06:19.079 --> 02:06:22.159 want is outside of the house. But it doesn't matter 2448 02:06:22.319 --> 02:06:25.560 because when you will exit the house, you'll look back 2449 02:06:25.640 --> 02:06:28.119 and you'll understand why I told you you have to 2450 02:06:28.159 --> 02:06:28.880 get out of the house. 2451 02:06:30.000 --> 02:06:32.399 So the goal is just to not to want. 2452 02:06:33.319 --> 02:06:35.079 Yeah, and according to the Buddha, it goes pretty deep. 2453 02:06:35.119 --> 02:06:37.560 According to the Buddha, you're in the house even if 2454 02:06:37.600 --> 02:06:40.119 you're in the highest realms of heaven. So even if 2455 02:06:40.159 --> 02:06:43.039 you're in the highest heavens, that's already came after obviously 2456 02:06:43.079 --> 02:06:45.399 from what people kind of said about it. But according 2457 02:06:45.439 --> 02:06:47.760 to what people believe is that even if you're in 2458 02:06:47.800 --> 02:06:49.920 the highest of realms and you're the highest of gods, 2459 02:06:50.279 --> 02:06:55.000 and you live for five google years, so a very 2460 02:06:55.079 --> 02:06:59.960 long time in infinite bliss, you're still in the karmic cycle, 2461 02:07:00.279 --> 02:07:02.159 which means that no matter how long it was, no 2462 02:07:02.239 --> 02:07:05.000 matter how amazing it was, you burned so much good karma, 2463 02:07:05.079 --> 02:07:07.600 you might fall into the deepest of hills again. And 2464 02:07:08.000 --> 02:07:11.159 so you're still in the karmic cycle. And because it's forever, 2465 02:07:12.960 --> 02:07:14.000 you want to get out of the house. 2466 02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:17.600 Danny, have you ever heard about past life regressions or 2467 02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:21.560 qhht type of hypnosis. The reason why I ask because 2468 02:07:21.560 --> 02:07:24.279 my boy here is a licensed hypnotherapist through. 2469 02:07:24.159 --> 02:07:26.960 The qht UH school. 2470 02:07:27.119 --> 02:07:30.640 If you will, and I feel like you yourself. If 2471 02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:33.159 you would allow Jonathan to hypnotize you one of these days, 2472 02:07:33.199 --> 02:07:35.159 I feel like your past life regression would. 2473 02:07:34.920 --> 02:07:37.520 Be fucking insane. Brow or even before this. 2474 02:07:38.000 --> 02:07:39.720 I would be the first person that comes back. And 2475 02:07:39.720 --> 02:07:42.000 I'm not some amazing person, but it was a squirrel, 2476 02:07:42.279 --> 02:07:42.920 that'd be great. 2477 02:07:43.079 --> 02:07:45.680 Well, that's what I was gonna say that Even before that, 2478 02:07:46.000 --> 02:07:48.439 I mean, is are you somebody that believes that you 2479 02:07:48.680 --> 02:07:52.119 could potentially tap into a past life? 2480 02:07:52.960 --> 02:07:53.159 Yeah? 2481 02:07:53.199 --> 02:07:57.119 I think there's some data there. Actually, Uh, there's there's 2482 02:07:57.399 --> 02:08:00.880 from what I understand, there's actual from all the financial claims, 2483 02:08:01.119 --> 02:08:04.640 it's the one with the most actual data. I'm very 2484 02:08:04.680 --> 02:08:08.600 agnostic about it, but also well, very agnostic, so I'm 2485 02:08:08.680 --> 02:08:12.399 very open to it. But I have met some people 2486 02:08:12.399 --> 02:08:14.720 who say either way right, that say this is like 2487 02:08:14.800 --> 02:08:16.960 planted memories, and not people saying no, no, no, like 2488 02:08:17.039 --> 02:08:20.319 it cured my life. So I'm at both sides. I've 2489 02:08:20.399 --> 02:08:22.039 never experienced it, but I'm very open to it. 2490 02:08:22.479 --> 02:08:25.279 Well, and to be honest, i'm quite agnostic to it 2491 02:08:25.359 --> 02:08:29.000 as well. I don't I don't personally care that somebody 2492 02:08:29.199 --> 02:08:32.199 actually existed in a past life. It's what were you 2493 02:08:32.319 --> 02:08:36.439 able to take from your from your time? Existing in 2494 02:08:36.600 --> 02:08:38.960 that past life over to this reality, and I think 2495 02:08:39.000 --> 02:08:41.479 that that's the actual meat and the potatoes. I don't 2496 02:08:41.520 --> 02:08:45.880 care if you were Cleopatra or Jesus or Malquisa Deck 2497 02:08:46.000 --> 02:08:47.680 or whoever the fuck before. 2498 02:08:47.800 --> 02:08:49.319 It's like, I mean, it'd be cool. 2499 02:08:49.479 --> 02:08:52.079 You know, sure it's a good fishing story, but most 2500 02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:54.840 of the time that doesn't matter, like that's you're not 2501 02:08:55.319 --> 02:08:57.760 that's that's not the moral of why you would go 2502 02:08:58.119 --> 02:09:00.319 about that kind of shit anyway. It would be more 2503 02:09:00.399 --> 02:09:02.640 so like, well, what did I learn in that life? 2504 02:09:02.680 --> 02:09:05.279 How can I apply it to this life? And that's 2505 02:09:05.439 --> 02:09:09.039 that's the magic really to me anyway. So whenever somebody's like. 2506 02:09:09.359 --> 02:09:12.840 Man, I'm always very open and very curious. So if 2507 02:09:12.920 --> 02:09:14.880 I can have the experience like that, I'm very very 2508 02:09:14.960 --> 02:09:15.359 open to it. 2509 02:09:15.680 --> 02:09:20.439 As somebody who doesn't believe in reincarnation, specifically myself personally, 2510 02:09:20.560 --> 02:09:23.720 who has also been hypnotized by Jonathan and had a 2511 02:09:23.840 --> 02:09:25.800 past life regression, I can tell you it is a 2512 02:09:26.000 --> 02:09:30.760 very profound experience. I can't exactly account for what I 2513 02:09:30.960 --> 02:09:34.720 experienced during it. Yeah, I could try to logicalize it 2514 02:09:34.880 --> 02:09:38.560 all I want, but in reality, it was a wild 2515 02:09:38.760 --> 02:09:40.880 and fun walk. 2516 02:09:41.319 --> 02:09:44.960 If you will you two. After we wrap, y'all need 2517 02:09:45.039 --> 02:09:46.560 to get together and try to make that happen. 2518 02:09:46.600 --> 02:09:49.119 That would be funky, man, that sounds amazing. Wait, I'm 2519 02:09:49.359 --> 02:09:52.760 looking for this book if you're that John Chavis told 2520 02:09:52.800 --> 02:09:55.119 me about. Shout out to John Chavis from DMT quest. 2521 02:09:55.159 --> 02:09:57.520 He's awesome. He's really good about kind of being aware 2522 02:09:57.560 --> 02:10:02.000 of where these uh uh research stuff, like about the 2523 02:10:02.239 --> 02:10:05.960 you know, paranormal Right, there's a book incarnation and people 2524 02:10:06.279 --> 02:10:10.720 hold on, okay, there you go with uh. 2525 02:10:12.319 --> 02:10:14.600 People that are born with memories that they can't account 2526 02:10:14.640 --> 02:10:16.560 for no, no, uh. 2527 02:10:17.960 --> 02:10:22.800 From their past lives. I'm so clunky. But nowadays that 2528 02:10:24.520 --> 02:10:26.760 I think it's called the re incarnation in biology by 2529 02:10:26.840 --> 02:10:28.199 Ian Stevenson. Let me see. 2530 02:10:28.640 --> 02:10:29.199 Ah yeah. 2531 02:10:29.279 --> 02:10:32.680 Ian Stevenson was actually most popular for documenting going all 2532 02:10:32.760 --> 02:10:36.279 around the world figuring out or finding children that remember 2533 02:10:36.319 --> 02:10:37.159 their past lives. 2534 02:10:37.920 --> 02:10:39.479 That's so that's the guy. And I think it's the 2535 02:10:39.520 --> 02:10:41.399 way it's with the people that are born with like 2536 02:10:41.479 --> 02:10:44.560 different physical defects that relate to exactly how they died. 2537 02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:46.319 Is that the one you're talking about, yes, exactly. 2538 02:10:46.640 --> 02:10:48.359 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's what I was thinking about. 2539 02:10:48.359 --> 02:10:51.760 Its super interesting. He coted all the cases where like 2540 02:10:51.800 --> 02:10:54.239 people would like, you know, have these memories about being 2541 02:10:54.319 --> 02:10:56.039 shut in the head and they're born with like a 2542 02:10:56.319 --> 02:10:58.920 disfigured ear. Yes, go and check and there was that 2543 02:10:59.079 --> 02:11:01.079 one person that they had no way of knowing and 2544 02:11:01.279 --> 02:11:03.720 like they were shutting the head into that exact time 2545 02:11:03.840 --> 02:11:04.720 and stuff like that. 2546 02:11:05.199 --> 02:11:07.880 Yeah, it's it's fascinating, dude. And I actually recently did 2547 02:11:07.920 --> 02:11:11.439 a show on that, on Meta Mysteries about children remembering 2548 02:11:11.479 --> 02:11:12.119 past lives. 2549 02:11:12.199 --> 02:11:15.680 And the guy that you go to is Ian Stevenson. 2550 02:11:15.760 --> 02:11:20.960 He's documented thousands of cases just you know, on examples 2551 02:11:21.119 --> 02:11:22.800 like that. So if you were shot in the head, 2552 02:11:22.880 --> 02:11:26.079 maybe you have a malformed ear or something like that, 2553 02:11:26.439 --> 02:11:30.319 or if you have a birthmark on your head like Sean, 2554 02:11:30.439 --> 02:11:33.600 for example, has he has brown hair. You remember my 2555 02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:36.119 co host Sean, but he has brown hair, but he 2556 02:11:36.239 --> 02:11:39.840 has this one patch of blonde and in his hair, 2557 02:11:39.920 --> 02:11:42.000 which is like, you know, it's a birthmark in a sense. 2558 02:11:42.039 --> 02:11:45.800 So I bet you if Ian Stevenson got his hands 2559 02:11:45.800 --> 02:11:47.760 on Sean, he'd be like, well, it looks like the 2560 02:11:47.800 --> 02:11:48.880 bullet entered here. 2561 02:11:48.840 --> 02:11:50.039 And it exited over here. 2562 02:11:50.319 --> 02:11:52.840 And that's what's really crazy is is that people will 2563 02:11:52.920 --> 02:11:57.239 find or he was finding people with birthmarks on their 2564 02:11:57.279 --> 02:12:00.239 skull or on their forehead, for example, and you could 2565 02:12:00.279 --> 02:12:02.640 literally see if it was a bullet that you died 2566 02:12:02.680 --> 02:12:05.000 from in a past life, if you were to shave 2567 02:12:05.119 --> 02:12:06.920 the part of the back of your head, you'd be 2568 02:12:06.920 --> 02:12:11.359 able to see the possible exit wound, which is fucking nuts, dude. 2569 02:12:12.239 --> 02:12:14.520 I mean, all this stuff really fascinates me, though, like 2570 02:12:14.720 --> 02:12:17.640 and I don't. I look at it a little bit 2571 02:12:17.680 --> 02:12:20.439 differently now than I used to. Whenever I first got 2572 02:12:20.520 --> 02:12:23.279 involved with Dolores Cannon in past life regressions, I used 2573 02:12:23.279 --> 02:12:25.880 to just be like, oh my god, this proves past life. 2574 02:12:25.920 --> 02:12:28.640 I'm like, I don't care if it proves past life anymore. 2575 02:12:28.840 --> 02:12:31.439 Like I that's that's not my main goal anymore. But 2576 02:12:31.600 --> 02:12:34.680 it is fascinating and you do experience some wild shit. 2577 02:12:34.720 --> 02:12:38.880 I've been hypnotized twice, and I'm talking about, like, very 2578 02:12:39.279 --> 02:12:44.199 very believable that if I existed in a past life 2579 02:12:44.319 --> 02:12:46.239 that it was that, you know what I'm saying. 2580 02:12:46.359 --> 02:12:47.119 Same with Jacob. 2581 02:12:47.199 --> 02:12:49.600 I mean, he existed as some kind of Muslim and 2582 02:12:50.239 --> 02:12:53.000 he was into like night fighting and weird shit, which 2583 02:12:53.079 --> 02:12:56.000 is it aligns with what his life is now. 2584 02:12:56.640 --> 02:12:59.760 It's what I do. Literally, I do armored MMA and shit, 2585 02:13:00.000 --> 02:13:00.199 and of. 2586 02:13:00.239 --> 02:13:04.880 Course wait, what do you uh what like? In what contact? 2587 02:13:04.920 --> 02:13:06.119 How do you do you? 2588 02:13:06.439 --> 02:13:06.800 What do you do? 2589 02:13:06.920 --> 02:13:07.199 Mma? 2590 02:13:07.319 --> 02:13:10.439 And it's called boo hurt the sport itself? Right, So 2591 02:13:10.800 --> 02:13:13.479 basically me and my boys put on eighty five pounds 2592 02:13:13.520 --> 02:13:15.760 of steel armor and beat the absolute dog shit out 2593 02:13:15.760 --> 02:13:16.560 of each other, would do it? 2594 02:13:16.720 --> 02:13:17.000 I think? 2595 02:13:17.239 --> 02:13:19.279 Yeah, yeah, I've seen some Russians do that. 2596 02:13:19.359 --> 02:13:25.079 But yeah, the rush Russian Ukraine where the two spots 2597 02:13:25.119 --> 02:13:27.880 of the sport was getting really popular before the war 2598 02:13:28.000 --> 02:13:31.279 took off. Right now, America's got a league. You name 2599 02:13:31.359 --> 02:13:33.520 the country, they probably have a league. So I am 2600 02:13:33.600 --> 02:13:37.479 the current team captain of the Louisiana team. Where's as 2601 02:13:37.520 --> 02:13:39.960 far as the country is concerned, Dallas, Texas has the 2602 02:13:40.039 --> 02:13:42.279 best one of, if not the best team in the 2603 02:13:42.439 --> 02:13:43.079 in the States. 2604 02:13:43.199 --> 02:13:45.560 But yeah, everything is bigger in Texas. 2605 02:13:45.640 --> 02:13:49.079 Maner though, because I can't argue with you. You got 2606 02:13:49.159 --> 02:13:51.479 these guys that are two hundred and sixty pounds that 2607 02:13:51.600 --> 02:13:54.359 shouldn't be able to move like a mac truck with speed, 2608 02:13:54.800 --> 02:13:57.479 but somehow they can. And it's like, yo, hey, I 2609 02:13:57.600 --> 02:13:59.239 want no smoke with you, my boy. If anything, I 2610 02:13:59.239 --> 02:14:00.960 would like to be friends with you. But yeah, it's 2611 02:14:01.000 --> 02:14:02.199 fun to beat the shit out of each other. 2612 02:14:02.239 --> 02:14:02.880 It's fun times. 2613 02:14:02.920 --> 02:14:05.560 But in that same context, when I went through my 2614 02:14:05.640 --> 02:14:09.399 past life regression, Now, this is where I'm not one 2615 02:14:09.479 --> 02:14:12.439 hundred percent sure if this is kind of my imagination 2616 02:14:12.520 --> 02:14:14.760 when it's unchained and allowed to walk around and this 2617 02:14:14.800 --> 02:14:17.359 is would have come up with, or is this in 2618 02:14:17.479 --> 02:14:21.600 fact a past life regression that may have spurned some 2619 02:14:21.800 --> 02:14:24.560 of my love for the medieval fighting and shit like that. 2620 02:14:24.760 --> 02:14:28.159 So in this past life regression, I was a Islamic 2621 02:14:28.319 --> 02:14:31.920 guy who apparently was fighting alongside the Christians during what 2622 02:14:32.079 --> 02:14:34.760 I can only assume would be the First Crusade. And 2623 02:14:34.840 --> 02:14:36.720 the only reason why I would say that is because 2624 02:14:36.720 --> 02:14:39.079 of the style of armor that everybody was wearing. It 2625 02:14:39.119 --> 02:14:43.079 would be more indicative of the before twelve hundred AD, 2626 02:14:43.640 --> 02:14:46.399 right somewhere between oneenty and twelve hundred AD, which would 2627 02:14:46.479 --> 02:14:49.960 lead me to believe more along the First Crusade timeline. 2628 02:14:50.199 --> 02:14:52.520 I'm not one hundred percent on this, but made it 2629 02:14:52.560 --> 02:14:55.760 through that experience some of the journey and the traveling 2630 02:14:55.800 --> 02:14:57.720 that this person did, it was. 2631 02:14:57.840 --> 02:14:58.680 It was really wild. 2632 02:14:58.920 --> 02:15:02.359 The people I met, the experiences, the sounds, the smells, 2633 02:15:02.479 --> 02:15:05.000 the taste of the tea, and of the lamb that 2634 02:15:05.159 --> 02:15:07.159 was being cooked the day that I was in this village, 2635 02:15:07.319 --> 02:15:09.640 the whole thing, the whole thing, It is all very 2636 02:15:09.840 --> 02:15:12.960 very It felt real, it felt palpable, It felt like 2637 02:15:13.039 --> 02:15:17.039 I was absolutely there and experiencing a distant memory of 2638 02:15:17.199 --> 02:15:18.279 something that happened just. 2639 02:15:18.319 --> 02:15:19.279 A yesteryear ago. 2640 02:15:19.640 --> 02:15:24.199 Right, Well, Alchemy two, was that Jacob's imagination unchanged and 2641 02:15:24.319 --> 02:15:26.199 just made to walk around a bit? And this is 2642 02:15:26.279 --> 02:15:30.640 what shipited itself out? Or was this my spirit living 2643 02:15:30.920 --> 02:15:35.880 or remembering an experience from a millennia ago? Is very 2644 02:15:36.000 --> 02:15:40.079 wild and as somebody who does not believe in reincarnation necessarily, 2645 02:15:40.199 --> 02:15:42.800 I found it to be profound and incredible. 2646 02:15:43.760 --> 02:15:45.880 Well, like I said, I'm super stoked, man, I really 2647 02:15:45.920 --> 02:15:46.720 want to try this now. 2648 02:15:47.199 --> 02:15:50.800 Yes, I mean consider it done, sir. I will happily 2649 02:15:50.960 --> 02:15:53.840 give you a session and I look forward to that. 2650 02:15:54.199 --> 02:15:55.640 So we'll definitely hook that up. 2651 02:15:55.760 --> 02:15:57.720 Dude, can be in person or can it be also 2652 02:15:57.800 --> 02:15:58.359 not in person? 2653 02:15:58.479 --> 02:15:59.920 Or the zoom call can happen? 2654 02:16:00.560 --> 02:16:03.119 Ninety five percent of my sessions are over zoom and 2655 02:16:03.239 --> 02:16:05.840 as long as you have a way for me to 2656 02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:08.960 hear you correctly, because you're gonna be in a hypnotic state. 2657 02:16:09.119 --> 02:16:11.520 Or just a deep meditation really is all it is. 2658 02:16:11.960 --> 02:16:14.600 Your voice is gonna get real soft, and I will 2659 02:16:14.720 --> 02:16:16.920 hardly be able to hear you because you're so fucking 2660 02:16:17.000 --> 02:16:20.760 relaxed and you're experiencing possible fucking bliss. On the other side, 2661 02:16:21.640 --> 02:16:24.479 you know, you're you're gonna you're gonna need like a 2662 02:16:24.600 --> 02:16:27.079 microphone that is up in your face. Actually, what I 2663 02:16:27.159 --> 02:16:29.560 found that actually works best is whenever people got like 2664 02:16:29.680 --> 02:16:34.200 gaming headphones like Turtle Beaches or something like that. I think, dude, yeah, 2665 02:16:34.280 --> 02:16:36.399 those are the best because that MIC's right on your mouth, 2666 02:16:36.879 --> 02:16:37.040 you know. 2667 02:16:37.280 --> 02:16:40.120 And trance, it's a light trance. You're fully aware of 2668 02:16:40.200 --> 02:16:42.680 where your body's at. It's not like you feel like 2669 02:16:42.840 --> 02:16:44.719 you're out of control and if something was to happen 2670 02:16:44.799 --> 02:16:45.799 you couldn't respond to it. 2671 02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:46.879 It's it's nothing work. 2672 02:16:46.920 --> 02:16:49.520 I'm not worried. Yeah, I'm totally down either way. No, 2673 02:16:49.799 --> 02:16:53.920 I mean, I'm believe me. I'm we're gonna get balls 2674 02:16:53.959 --> 02:16:55.920 deep the end of the Psychedelics product. 2675 02:16:58.120 --> 02:17:01.879 Yeah, yeah, so you want to do this completely stone 2676 02:17:01.920 --> 02:17:03.600 cold sober, of course. 2677 02:17:03.879 --> 02:17:03.920 No. 2678 02:17:04.040 --> 02:17:07.879 No, I actually do very little now, It's uh yeah, 2679 02:17:08.040 --> 02:17:10.760 I do very very little, if at all. Uh, Like 2680 02:17:10.840 --> 02:17:13.319 I said, I'm even like, even if I think El 2681 02:17:13.399 --> 02:17:15.280 Karnatine too many days, and I feel like if I 2682 02:17:15.319 --> 02:17:17.479 don't think it, I start feeling a little wonky. I'm like, I, 2683 02:17:18.040 --> 02:17:20.920 I guess we're doing El Carnatine for a while, so yeah. 2684 02:17:21.040 --> 02:17:23.479 Yeah, you don't want to develop a super dependence on it. 2685 02:17:23.799 --> 02:17:25.680 Which is funny, you know, Just going back to the 2686 02:17:25.719 --> 02:17:29.920 whole DMT conversation, I last did DMT in October. I 2687 02:17:30.079 --> 02:17:33.120 haven't even wanted to trip since then because I'm still 2688 02:17:34.040 --> 02:17:38.559 trying to functionally, you know, exist in this reality. 2689 02:17:38.799 --> 02:17:40.959 Bro, you had a very net You had a very 2690 02:17:41.079 --> 02:17:44.399 positive followed by a very negative experience. I don't judge 2691 02:17:44.440 --> 02:17:46.319 you for not one to dabble again. 2692 02:17:46.559 --> 02:17:50.120 I'm just I'm constantly unrolling that scroll, you know what 2693 02:17:50.159 --> 02:17:52.559 I'm saying, And I feel like as more time goes on, 2694 02:17:52.840 --> 02:17:54.959 I start to understand it a little bit better, which 2695 02:17:55.000 --> 02:17:55.840 is really weird. 2696 02:17:55.639 --> 02:17:56.760 Because the visuals. 2697 02:17:56.879 --> 02:17:59.200 It wasn't so much about the visuals, Like the visuals 2698 02:17:59.239 --> 02:18:01.559 definitely scared the fun out of me, but it was 2699 02:18:02.280 --> 02:18:05.000 the feeling that I felt while I was in there 2700 02:18:05.239 --> 02:18:08.520 that is somehow sticking with me and giving me new 2701 02:18:08.719 --> 02:18:09.840 insights and information. 2702 02:18:10.040 --> 02:18:10.920 As the days go on. 2703 02:18:11.559 --> 02:18:13.639 Yeah, it's like in a dream if you sometimes you 2704 02:18:13.719 --> 02:18:16.559 can see even it's rare, but it can happen where 2705 02:18:16.559 --> 02:18:19.079 you see pretty disturbing things, but the vibe is kind 2706 02:18:19.079 --> 02:18:22.920 of pleasant. That's not a nightmare. But if you if 2707 02:18:22.920 --> 02:18:25.680 you just watch I don't know, your mom washing the dishes, 2708 02:18:25.719 --> 02:18:28.840 and the feeling is of this like dread, that's a nightmare. 2709 02:18:28.920 --> 02:18:30.239 Oh, it's always the feeling. 2710 02:18:30.520 --> 02:18:33.479 Yeah, And that's that's what's that's what's so crazy about 2711 02:18:33.520 --> 02:18:35.760 it is because I was just in a bathroom and 2712 02:18:35.920 --> 02:18:38.360 then it dusted to nothingness and I was in a 2713 02:18:38.479 --> 02:18:40.440 void and somehow I'm void. 2714 02:18:40.559 --> 02:18:43.079 Yeah, I'm still getting very common. Yeah, the void is 2715 02:18:43.120 --> 02:18:45.879 a very common experience that really destabilizes people. 2716 02:18:46.120 --> 02:18:48.239 Okay, it breaks up down because the void that he 2717 02:18:48.440 --> 02:18:50.280 saw was essentially a job and I don't mean to 2718 02:18:50.319 --> 02:18:52.600 put words in your mouth here, but basically he saw 2719 02:18:53.239 --> 02:18:57.479 everything existence dissect itself and then dissect itself even further 2720 02:18:57.680 --> 02:19:01.600 and further and further until it evaporated into nothingness. And 2721 02:19:01.719 --> 02:19:04.280 it was like the fear or the feeling I should 2722 02:19:04.319 --> 02:19:09.399 say that entirety life, everybody's ever known, everybody's ever loved, whatever, 2723 02:19:09.840 --> 02:19:11.959 just evaporated, fucking Thano style. 2724 02:19:12.120 --> 02:19:14.079 You're telling me this is a very normal experience. 2725 02:19:14.440 --> 02:19:17.600 Well, it was like I was the one that destroyed 2726 02:19:17.719 --> 02:19:20.600 everything that has ever existed. It was that level of 2727 02:19:21.079 --> 02:19:21.639 like fraud. 2728 02:19:21.760 --> 02:19:24.239 To watch, you need to watch my conversation with Zoltan, 2729 02:19:24.840 --> 02:19:28.040 either on my channel or on Danny Jones. That's exactly 2730 02:19:28.079 --> 02:19:31.399 what he's describing. H And again, this is a very 2731 02:19:31.440 --> 02:19:33.959 common experience that people have, and for the most part, 2732 02:19:34.000 --> 02:19:36.879 it does destabilize people because it basically gives you the impression, 2733 02:19:37.079 --> 02:19:39.959 either real or not real, that you want wrong move 2734 02:19:40.120 --> 02:19:44.520 and you can undo everything that exists basically, and also 2735 02:19:44.760 --> 02:19:48.120 there's no one outside of you. It's the ultimate loneliness. 2736 02:19:48.239 --> 02:19:51.440 It's like the worst basically, like it's the biggest gut 2737 02:19:51.520 --> 02:19:54.479 punch you can possibly get. I'm gonna I'm gonna play 2738 02:19:54.680 --> 02:19:57.600 exactly one minute of that conversation result just like literally 2739 02:19:57.600 --> 02:19:59.719 I haven't clipped on my channel. Check this out. 2740 02:20:00.000 --> 02:20:07.079 Oh yes, don't look for me. A video of the 2741 02:20:07.200 --> 02:20:12.159 phenomena said, don't look for me. I am hidden for 2742 02:20:12.280 --> 02:20:16.000 a reason. If you find me. This is how it feels. 2743 02:20:16.319 --> 02:20:20.079 It's absolute loneliness. So there was a moment when I 2744 02:20:20.200 --> 02:20:22.840 really took off one of those journeys that you go, 2745 02:20:23.280 --> 02:20:26.559 and in that journey, I did have that perception, as 2746 02:20:26.840 --> 02:20:30.559 the layers are breaking down, you're far beyond the body mind. 2747 02:20:30.760 --> 02:20:32.360 Instead of calling the spirit, I'm going to call it 2748 02:20:32.399 --> 02:20:35.120 the bitiness. And I had that perception of oneness and 2749 02:20:35.280 --> 02:20:39.159 understanding that that is just it, that's it. And it 2750 02:20:39.360 --> 02:20:45.760 was the loneliest existence I can possibly imagine absolute loneliness. 2751 02:20:45.440 --> 02:20:47.319 A loneliness that there's no word for this. 2752 02:20:47.719 --> 02:20:51.959 And I had a full lon packet and I have 2753 02:20:52.079 --> 02:20:55.399 to translate that to human And what I would prayer 2754 02:20:55.479 --> 02:20:59.520 phace would be, I compartmentalize you so you don't experience 2755 02:20:59.600 --> 02:21:05.680 this loans in us, live love, do the things, lef experience. 2756 02:21:06.479 --> 02:21:10.079 Do the things, give me all the possible feelings, all 2757 02:21:10.159 --> 02:21:13.440 the possibilities, everything that can be experienced. Give that to me. 2758 02:21:13.799 --> 02:21:17.760 When you compartmentalize, I feel like I'm a unit within 2759 02:21:17.879 --> 02:21:20.879 this system. When I'm not in that God perception, I'm 2760 02:21:20.920 --> 02:21:21.399 not lonely. 2761 02:21:21.559 --> 02:21:22.959 I have this experience. 2762 02:21:23.239 --> 02:21:27.159 The message was kind of just live You're looking for answers. 2763 02:21:27.639 --> 02:21:29.920 Almost felt like you're looking for answers that I don't know. 2764 02:21:30.639 --> 02:21:31.280 I don't know why. 2765 02:21:32.360 --> 02:21:36.399 The phenomena said so in that conversation you also exactly 2766 02:21:36.479 --> 02:21:38.000 said what you said, which is say, had this the 2767 02:21:38.120 --> 02:21:40.120 one thing that the one time he had this fear 2768 02:21:40.239 --> 02:21:43.639 that he might actually mess everything up and he might 2769 02:21:43.719 --> 02:21:46.520 come back as a as a plant or nothing, or 2770 02:21:46.920 --> 02:21:50.200 handicap or somebody else, or never come back and just 2771 02:21:50.479 --> 02:21:53.559 live in chaos forever, or just undo the world basically. 2772 02:21:53.719 --> 02:21:57.319 And I think that there's something. I've had this experience, 2773 02:21:58.639 --> 02:22:00.959 and I met quite a few people had this experience, 2774 02:22:01.079 --> 02:22:07.920 and it's almost always reliably disturbing. In fact, what's his 2775 02:22:08.079 --> 02:22:12.040 name the guy who did who wrote the book on 2776 02:22:12.680 --> 02:22:16.920 Changing your Mind, and also the Netflix showed that they 2777 02:22:17.000 --> 02:22:20.479 made out of it about the psychedelics, Michael Poland, and 2778 02:22:20.760 --> 02:22:26.120 he talks about this exact thing. If you google Michael 2779 02:22:26.159 --> 02:22:30.840 Poland Joe Rogan five meo experience, he will tell you 2780 02:22:31.079 --> 02:22:33.600 exactly what you're describing right now. And one of the 2781 02:22:33.680 --> 02:22:35.159 things he said, and when I came back, it was like, 2782 02:22:35.200 --> 02:22:38.159 oh my god, thank God for content, because it was 2783 02:22:38.319 --> 02:22:41.440 just nothing. It was just like you know, like And 2784 02:22:42.360 --> 02:22:46.920 on the one hand, because I've had it too, something 2785 02:22:46.959 --> 02:22:48.840 does tell me that the reason that it's still disturbing 2786 02:22:48.920 --> 02:22:51.239 is because you still even though you feel you were 2787 02:22:51.319 --> 02:22:56.120 fully peeled away. I think you're still experiencing that ultimate 2788 02:22:56.760 --> 02:23:00.239 thing from a unitary perspective. You steal the ego. That's 2789 02:23:00.280 --> 02:23:05.040 why it's so hard, but for the whole if you are, 2790 02:23:05.159 --> 02:23:07.000 because you have to reconcile it with the fact that 2791 02:23:07.040 --> 02:23:10.159 there's certain people that do visit the ultimate space and say, 2792 02:23:10.159 --> 02:23:12.239 oh my god, it's just pure bliss and love. Right, 2793 02:23:13.399 --> 02:23:17.040 So it's possible that one of them is delusional. Right, 2794 02:23:17.120 --> 02:23:19.879 So I do think that, But I know exactly what 2795 02:23:19.959 --> 02:23:23.600 you're talking about. The way that I finally reconcile that 2796 02:23:23.760 --> 02:23:27.520 is that, well, exactly what Jultan sent, which is that, well, 2797 02:23:28.600 --> 02:23:33.559 you know, you enjoy this, do what you can with this, 2798 02:23:34.399 --> 02:23:37.000 because it's exactly what I want you to do. I 2799 02:23:37.120 --> 02:23:39.399 want you to experience this exact thing that you're doing 2800 02:23:39.479 --> 02:23:39.719 right now. 2801 02:23:40.280 --> 02:23:44.000 That is that actually is something that I've unraveled since 2802 02:23:44.079 --> 02:23:48.040 then as well. You know, like actually whenever I whenever 2803 02:23:48.079 --> 02:23:51.319 I went and did the DMT, it was a point 2804 02:23:51.360 --> 02:23:53.280 in my time, a point in my life where me 2805 02:23:53.399 --> 02:23:56.559 and my wife were separated and it seemed like, you know, 2806 02:23:56.680 --> 02:23:58.799 I was going to go in this entirely different direction, 2807 02:23:59.440 --> 02:24:02.719 and then I experience that pretty much my whole life 2808 02:24:02.840 --> 02:24:06.479 I'd been very proud of the independent path that I've 2809 02:24:06.559 --> 02:24:10.120 taken and so and I kind of incorporated that even 2810 02:24:10.159 --> 02:24:12.440 into my marriage, and I decided to go a separate 2811 02:24:12.479 --> 02:24:14.440 way because I kind of wanted to do my own thing. 2812 02:24:14.799 --> 02:24:18.200 And then I had that experience, that void experience. 2813 02:24:17.799 --> 02:24:22.719 Of deleting literally everything that has ever existed and then 2814 02:24:22.879 --> 02:24:27.719 existing within that void, right, and ever since I came 2815 02:24:27.760 --> 02:24:29.639 out of that, I was like, I never want to 2816 02:24:29.719 --> 02:24:31.920 experience that feeling again. And as a matter of fact, 2817 02:24:31.959 --> 02:24:34.920 I don't think that anybody is supposed to feel that. 2818 02:24:35.079 --> 02:24:37.879 I think it's supposed to be the opposite, which actually 2819 02:24:38.040 --> 02:24:40.200 led me, I think a couple weeks after that, me 2820 02:24:40.280 --> 02:24:41.959 and me and my wife ended up getting back together. 2821 02:24:42.399 --> 02:24:47.079 Been rock solid ever since, like the closest we've ever been, 2822 02:24:47.639 --> 02:24:50.399 Like there's nothing we won't do, nothing we won't say, 2823 02:24:50.600 --> 02:24:52.200 there's never any kind of judgment. 2824 02:24:52.399 --> 02:24:56.959 It's like a full on fusion of a relationship. 2825 02:24:56.399 --> 02:24:59.479 Now to where to the point where like I see 2826 02:24:59.559 --> 02:25:02.360 her as close as like I would I would never 2827 02:25:02.680 --> 02:25:05.159 give up my daughter, right like I would never give 2828 02:25:05.239 --> 02:25:08.239 up somebody that's so special to me. I would never 2829 02:25:08.360 --> 02:25:10.920 like disown my parents. The same way with her is 2830 02:25:11.280 --> 02:25:14.520 and so that's how interconnected everything is now and it's 2831 02:25:14.559 --> 02:25:17.399 as a result of feeling that ultimate loneliness. And there's 2832 02:25:17.520 --> 02:25:19.440 been a lot of things that have happened really ever 2833 02:25:19.520 --> 02:25:22.159 since then. But I would say that is absolutely the 2834 02:25:22.360 --> 02:25:25.399 most beneficial thing that I got from that fucking nightmare. 2835 02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:28.559 Dude, like it it sucked. It was the worst thing 2836 02:25:28.600 --> 02:25:31.280 that I've that I literally, I we caught. 2837 02:25:31.120 --> 02:25:33.159 It on video, like we recorded the whole thing, and 2838 02:25:33.600 --> 02:25:35.319 you know, we can go I'm not gonna play it, 2839 02:25:35.399 --> 02:25:39.159 but but I I was talking afterward and I said, dude, 2840 02:25:39.639 --> 02:25:43.200 I wouldn't want the devil to experience this, Like that's 2841 02:25:43.239 --> 02:25:44.040 how And. 2842 02:25:45.840 --> 02:25:48.360 That was uh, that was pure DMT. 2843 02:25:48.680 --> 02:25:51.799 That was pure Well they're both because. 2844 02:25:51.719 --> 02:25:53.840 Like do you know uh, and no, it wasn't five 2845 02:25:54.000 --> 02:25:56.719 me e O. I think it was the end since so. 2846 02:25:56.799 --> 02:25:59.639 Some experience that people experienced it as the wide out 2847 02:26:00.200 --> 02:26:03.680 or the void. Sometimes it's accompanied by a lot of content, 2848 02:26:04.559 --> 02:26:06.840 like on mushrooms that can happen, and if you really 2849 02:26:06.879 --> 02:26:10.159 get loaded on mushrooms, you can experience kind of like 2850 02:26:10.280 --> 02:26:13.000 lives and rebirths and lives and rebirths, and you realize 2851 02:26:13.040 --> 02:26:14.920 it's just this endless thing and you're alone, and there's 2852 02:26:15.000 --> 02:26:18.639 like there's versions of this, but it's essentially always pointing 2853 02:26:18.680 --> 02:26:21.280 to this like a lonely But again, it was what 2854 02:26:21.399 --> 02:26:23.120 I was shown, which is like I'm sitting alone in 2855 02:26:23.159 --> 02:26:25.479 the basement with this VR goggles, like there's no one 2856 02:26:25.520 --> 02:26:31.639 else in my reality. Yeah, man, I mean I feel you. 2857 02:26:31.879 --> 02:26:31.920 Like. 2858 02:26:32.559 --> 02:26:35.840 That's why, ultimately, if you have to run the clock, 2859 02:26:36.239 --> 02:26:39.479 what would be the ultimate outcome of whatever it is 2860 02:26:39.520 --> 02:26:42.760 that you're doing. Now, that's the question that is constantly 2861 02:26:42.840 --> 02:26:45.239 hovering on my hard drive, Like, if we are this 2862 02:26:45.360 --> 02:26:47.639 species that is going to be evolving into the galaxy, 2863 02:26:48.200 --> 02:26:52.000 how does my behavior now translate to either me still 2864 02:26:52.079 --> 02:26:55.079 living through it or through my kids? How does that 2865 02:26:55.200 --> 02:26:59.200 attitude reverberates throughout time? Right the way I read you 2866 02:26:59.280 --> 02:27:04.639 in the morning, if I actually feel the communion and 2867 02:27:04.799 --> 02:27:07.120 that's my tendency, or do I just kind of like 2868 02:27:07.520 --> 02:27:12.200 just pretending, right, I don't really care. That sentiment stays 2869 02:27:12.239 --> 02:27:14.239 in me and then it moves on to my kids 2870 02:27:14.280 --> 02:27:16.559 and it moves on to other humans. And that's the 2871 02:27:16.760 --> 02:27:18.920 kind of species that you are. Because you reach a 2872 02:27:19.000 --> 02:27:21.079 new environment, you're like do I care or do I 2873 02:27:21.200 --> 02:27:23.879 not care? Well, if you the kind of species that cares, 2874 02:27:24.399 --> 02:27:28.319 you're going to do different things in that environment. So yeah, 2875 02:27:28.440 --> 02:27:31.799 I mean it ultimate really really matters to the here. 2876 02:27:32.200 --> 02:27:33.399 Yeah, and I agree. 2877 02:27:33.479 --> 02:27:36.399 There's been plenty of times where I've had certain psychedelic 2878 02:27:36.479 --> 02:27:39.079 trips that I'm not going to apply to this lifetime, 2879 02:27:39.239 --> 02:27:41.399 Like there's nothing that I can Most of them I 2880 02:27:41.520 --> 02:27:45.360 probably don't even remember what happened, but there are certain 2881 02:27:45.440 --> 02:27:49.559 special ones like that, no matter how horrifying and terrorizing 2882 02:27:49.680 --> 02:27:52.959 it was, I've been able to apply it like as 2883 02:27:53.000 --> 02:27:56.040 an application to my life literally every day. 2884 02:27:56.760 --> 02:27:59.200 Wow, that is such a beautiful story. Man, that's amazing. 2885 02:27:59.239 --> 02:28:01.600 I'm so happy. I'll so that that that that's what happened. 2886 02:28:01.719 --> 02:28:03.959 Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's I'm to be closer 2887 02:28:04.000 --> 02:28:08.200 with family basically. What's that now you're moving back to 2888 02:28:08.280 --> 02:28:10.959 being closer with family. Is that one of the calculations. Yeah. 2889 02:28:11.040 --> 02:28:13.520 Yeah, we're going to be moving back to Louisiana and 2890 02:28:13.959 --> 02:28:16.280 that way get the whole band back together. 2891 02:28:16.719 --> 02:28:16.920 Yeah. 2892 02:28:17.000 --> 02:28:19.959 Man, that's beautiful. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's interesting. 2893 02:28:20.440 --> 02:28:23.520 My whole life, I was very much of a very 2894 02:28:23.680 --> 02:28:26.639 unitary person. So like I didn't really I didn't grow 2895 02:28:26.719 --> 02:28:28.440 up with it. I didn't really have that kind of 2896 02:28:29.840 --> 02:28:33.799 you know, nuclear family orientation. I never cared. I really 2897 02:28:33.920 --> 02:28:37.280 enjoyed the fact that I just me and maybe whoever 2898 02:28:37.319 --> 02:28:40.959 are dating I'm dating. I didn't really care. But now 2899 02:28:41.680 --> 02:28:43.760 I'm so happy that I met, you know, the love 2900 02:28:43.840 --> 02:28:46.079 of my life, that we were building a family that 2901 02:28:46.719 --> 02:28:50.559 like I have, like I love my my my parents 2902 02:28:50.639 --> 02:28:54.680 in law. Like it's it's this this kind of kinship 2903 02:28:54.799 --> 02:29:00.280 towards the family unit is something that I've never experienced before, 2904 02:29:00.399 --> 02:29:02.799 and now I feel so blessed to have that. And 2905 02:29:03.000 --> 02:29:05.479 it's almost weird because with it. And I don't know 2906 02:29:05.520 --> 02:29:08.639 if it's which one influences which, but like even in 2907 02:29:08.719 --> 02:29:13.479 the Christian context, it's almost like that sentiment is being 2908 02:29:13.639 --> 02:29:16.440 taken to the collective. It's like, can I actually see 2909 02:29:16.520 --> 02:29:22.079 the brethren? I say, man, but I mean, of course humanity, right, 2910 02:29:22.200 --> 02:29:26.879 Like can we actually not lip service wise? But like 2911 02:29:26.959 --> 02:29:31.000 can we actually feel that towards more and more people? 2912 02:29:31.239 --> 02:29:31.399 You know? 2913 02:29:32.040 --> 02:29:35.079 And I think we can. And it kind of opens 2914 02:29:35.159 --> 02:29:37.920 this window of the appreciation of the wholesome, which I 2915 02:29:38.079 --> 02:29:40.239 never thought I would, Right, It's. 2916 02:29:40.440 --> 02:29:42.239 Like creciation of the wholesome. 2917 02:29:42.639 --> 02:29:46.600 Yeah, there's something there that I'm now It was never 2918 02:29:46.760 --> 02:29:50.959 my style, not it so wholesome is very particular for 2919 02:29:51.040 --> 02:29:53.479 me because it's not I'm not talking about good versus bad. 2920 02:29:54.040 --> 02:29:56.600 It's not good people, but the wholesome is kind of 2921 02:29:56.639 --> 02:30:00.399 like the correctness of living a certain way, what I mean, 2922 02:30:00.920 --> 02:30:04.200 and that that has been and I'm watching what's happening 2923 02:30:04.280 --> 02:30:07.479 now in the world, and I'm like, the world has 2924 02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:11.280 lost it's wholesomeness better worse exactly exactly for better or 2925 02:30:11.360 --> 02:30:13.120 worse whatever it is, that whatever. 2926 02:30:13.200 --> 02:30:16.079 It doesn't matter what political party you own, if you 2927 02:30:16.319 --> 02:30:20.680 don't carry that thing that caring about that wholesomeness, there's 2928 02:30:20.799 --> 02:30:23.680 something there that eventually will. 2929 02:30:23.559 --> 02:30:28.040 Go awry, something will go off. For sure. This because 2930 02:30:28.040 --> 02:30:30.760 there's like always like this, like eh, and you just 2931 02:30:30.799 --> 02:30:33.920 don't care. There's like this like otherness, and that's the thing. 2932 02:30:34.040 --> 02:30:36.120 It's a small thing at first. Then you look at 2933 02:30:36.120 --> 02:30:38.639 how that reverberates two three years down the road, and 2934 02:30:38.719 --> 02:30:41.680 it's like, God, why is this person acting this way? 2935 02:30:41.799 --> 02:30:45.399 Why is this kid had these types of behavioral attributes? 2936 02:30:45.440 --> 02:30:47.319 And it's like, you know, where did this all come from? 2937 02:30:47.520 --> 02:30:47.799 Was it me? 2938 02:30:48.079 --> 02:30:48.520 Was it them? 2939 02:30:48.680 --> 02:30:48.959 Was it this? 2940 02:30:49.559 --> 02:30:52.639 You can typically, if you really dive into it, find 2941 02:30:52.920 --> 02:30:57.799 about around the time where that little happened, yep, it 2942 02:30:58.559 --> 02:31:01.200 and it has nothing to do sort of dissemination from 2943 02:31:01.440 --> 02:31:04.239 the family unit of wholesomeness one hundred yeah. 2944 02:31:04.280 --> 02:31:06.799 And it doesn't even express itself in a like the 2945 02:31:06.879 --> 02:31:11.399 association we have with these things. They don't always come 2946 02:31:11.479 --> 02:31:13.440 to fruition and the way we expect them to. So 2947 02:31:13.559 --> 02:31:16.000 for example, actually, so I know, I have some really 2948 02:31:16.040 --> 02:31:20.399 good friends now from Alabama, some of the most wholesome 2949 02:31:20.440 --> 02:31:24.440 people that I ever met. But bro, you don't fuck 2950 02:31:24.520 --> 02:31:29.399 with them, right, But they're like Brazilian jiu jitsu guys 2951 02:31:29.440 --> 02:31:32.280 and Mema guys and like, but like you know, from 2952 02:31:32.399 --> 02:31:36.280 like the most I guess surface perspective, you can say, yeah, 2953 02:31:36.319 --> 02:31:39.399 but these that fighters or like you know, no, bro, 2954 02:31:39.639 --> 02:31:44.479 there's like there's a realness there, right and uh. And 2955 02:31:44.600 --> 02:31:47.280 the same goes for like uh. Actually, the director Aaron 2956 02:31:47.360 --> 02:31:52.200 Bendon is a perfect example of this. His well, he 2957 02:31:52.239 --> 02:31:53.879 doesn't wear it on his sleeve, so to speak, like 2958 02:31:53.920 --> 02:31:55.360 you don't see it every day because he's you know, 2959 02:31:55.440 --> 02:31:57.760 he has a reputable job and you know he works 2960 02:31:57.799 --> 02:31:59.799 for big companies and stuff like that because he does 2961 02:32:00.120 --> 02:32:04.600 of development for films and production and shows. But his thing, 2962 02:32:04.760 --> 02:32:06.840 like the thing he loves I hope he doesn't mind 2963 02:32:06.879 --> 02:32:09.600 if I'm saying it, but like he really loves like 2964 02:32:10.959 --> 02:32:13.040 heavy metal and like like that kind of like he 2965 02:32:13.159 --> 02:32:16.200 really loves it, like shud yeah, bro, it's like his fate. 2966 02:32:16.239 --> 02:32:20.520 But like the more hardcore the better, like really hardcore. Right. 2967 02:32:22.559 --> 02:32:26.520 His production company before we started Hours is called Actually 2968 02:32:26.639 --> 02:32:30.600 Good Production. But when I saw the logo, I was like, oh, 2969 02:32:31.559 --> 02:32:36.360 it's not just actually good, it's actually good because because 2970 02:32:36.920 --> 02:32:39.959 he dark and all that stuff, because he that's the 2971 02:32:40.000 --> 02:32:42.959 stuff they go. But the way that he cares for 2972 02:32:43.079 --> 02:32:48.319 his daughters, the way that he handles o, the way 2973 02:32:48.360 --> 02:32:53.760 that he treats other people, it's so good. It's wholesome, right, 2974 02:32:54.040 --> 02:32:56.879 and that you can't fake that. That's that's so the 2975 02:32:56.920 --> 02:32:59.719 way it expresses itself doesn't really matter because everything needs 2976 02:32:59.760 --> 02:33:02.239 to be expressed all the different, like you said, the good, 2977 02:33:02.319 --> 02:33:04.159 the bad, like the way it looks, the dark, the light, 2978 02:33:04.239 --> 02:33:06.000 all of it needs to be expressed to keep balance. 2979 02:33:06.680 --> 02:33:08.600 But the wholesomeness can run through all of it. 2980 02:33:09.719 --> 02:33:12.799 So you with your experiences you said you were born 2981 02:33:12.840 --> 02:33:15.799 in Russia then moved to Israel or da I misunderstand this, 2982 02:33:15.920 --> 02:33:19.399 So did you have like the wholesomeness in your home 2983 02:33:19.520 --> 02:33:20.040 growing up. 2984 02:33:20.440 --> 02:33:26.479 No no no, I I was born. I was raised 2985 02:33:26.520 --> 02:33:28.680 by mostly by my grandparents because my mom was still 2986 02:33:28.680 --> 02:33:30.760 going to school when I was born. I mean she 2987 02:33:30.959 --> 02:33:33.959 was obviously she wasn't like not raising me, but it 2988 02:33:34.040 --> 02:33:36.120 was more interactionally with my grandparents when I was really young, 2989 02:33:36.719 --> 02:33:41.319 and so I saw this. My grandfather, so both my 2990 02:33:41.360 --> 02:33:44.520 grandparents were scientists. She was a chemist and my grandmother 2991 02:33:44.559 --> 02:33:47.920 was a chemist, and he was a physicist, but he 2992 02:33:48.120 --> 02:33:52.479 was much more like a really kind of like more atheistic, 2993 02:33:52.559 --> 02:33:56.360 I guess. And she was, which I only recently learned 2994 02:33:56.520 --> 02:33:58.120 closer to the end of her life, like in the 2995 02:33:58.200 --> 02:34:00.680 last decade, was more of a Christian. But that's when 2996 02:34:00.719 --> 02:34:02.639 I knew her, So you know, I thought always she 2997 02:34:02.760 --> 02:34:06.159 was like this Christian right, and it was interesting to 2998 02:34:06.239 --> 02:34:08.920 watch this kind of like interaction. And then I moved 2999 02:34:08.920 --> 02:34:10.920 to Israel, and I saw that whole thing, which is 3000 02:34:10.959 --> 02:34:12.840 like Judaism, which is a very different kind of system 3001 02:34:12.840 --> 02:34:13.840 and especially old. 3002 02:34:13.840 --> 02:34:15.799 Were you when you made that move? First off, are 3003 02:34:15.840 --> 02:34:16.399 you Jewish? 3004 02:34:17.040 --> 02:34:19.520 I'm actually not considered to be, because the only person 3005 02:34:19.600 --> 02:34:23.239 in my family was Jewish is my grandfather. But I 3006 02:34:23.319 --> 02:34:25.319 lived in Israel for seventeen years, so like, you know, 3007 02:34:25.719 --> 02:34:28.479 I have still an Israeli passport as my American passport, 3008 02:34:28.879 --> 02:34:32.799 so I you know, I understand that world very well, right, 3009 02:34:33.040 --> 02:34:37.799 I grew up in it. I never really cared either way. 3010 02:34:38.239 --> 02:34:39.959 But in Judaism it has to be by the mother. 3011 02:34:40.159 --> 02:34:43.559 So because my grandfather was my grandfa my grandmother wasn't, 3012 02:34:43.920 --> 02:34:46.520 so I'm not considered to be. But it doesn't really matter, 3013 02:34:46.639 --> 02:34:49.760 because you know, there's a lot of elements in me 3014 02:34:49.840 --> 02:34:52.360 that are still like very Jewish. Is the wrong thing 3015 02:34:52.399 --> 02:34:55.399 because by the way, Jews in general and Israelis are 3016 02:34:55.600 --> 02:34:58.280 very different people, Like the Israeli culture is very different. 3017 02:34:58.360 --> 02:35:03.840 It's a whole thing, right. But I watched I went 3018 02:35:03.920 --> 02:35:08.159 to when we just arrived, when we just came to Israel. 3019 02:35:08.239 --> 02:35:09.840 When I was I think I was six and a 3020 02:35:09.840 --> 02:35:14.920 half years old, I was a pretty, i don't know 3021 02:35:14.959 --> 02:35:16.840 what to call it, crazy kid, Like I got into 3022 02:35:16.840 --> 02:35:20.159 a lot of fights, and they took me out of 3023 02:35:21.360 --> 02:35:23.760 the school that I went to, and then they took 3024 02:35:23.879 --> 02:35:26.879 put me in a semi religious school because there was 3025 02:35:27.000 --> 02:35:29.159 much more kind of like you know, discipline there. 3026 02:35:29.360 --> 02:35:29.479 Right. 3027 02:35:30.479 --> 02:35:32.159 It was actually that was actually kind of like a 3028 02:35:32.200 --> 02:35:34.120 good move, I think, And so I was exposed to 3029 02:35:34.280 --> 02:35:38.280 even the more religious kind of thinking. And then I started, 3030 02:35:38.600 --> 02:35:41.479 you know, I never thought of it that way, but 3031 02:35:41.559 --> 02:35:45.520 I saw that all of that general thing of like 3032 02:35:46.040 --> 02:35:50.000 how religion plays into that wholesomeness, how family unit plays 3033 02:35:50.000 --> 02:35:53.559 into that wholesomeness, that was almost like repulsive to me, 3034 02:35:53.920 --> 02:35:56.639 Like it was like I just didn't want anything to 3035 02:35:56.680 --> 02:35:58.440 do with it because I think that I associated it 3036 02:35:58.520 --> 02:35:59.399 with control. 3037 02:36:00.079 --> 02:36:03.120 Now about say it was that teenage angst and rebellion 3038 02:36:03.200 --> 02:36:04.399 that was spurning out for me. 3039 02:36:04.920 --> 02:36:06.719 I don't know, I was, I had a lot of 3040 02:36:07.159 --> 02:36:10.360 There was a lot that there was there's really we 3041 02:36:10.440 --> 02:36:11.840 don't have to get too deep into it, but like 3042 02:36:12.079 --> 02:36:13.799 there's a lot of like physical abuse. When I was 3043 02:36:13.840 --> 02:36:16.159 a kid, I became very violent. I was. 3044 02:36:16.440 --> 02:36:16.719 I was. 3045 02:36:17.159 --> 02:36:20.159 There was a lot of anger, and because of it, 3046 02:36:20.280 --> 02:36:22.680 it was basically targeting whatever it saw in front of it. 3047 02:36:23.399 --> 02:36:25.959 And it's only when I started seeing kind of like 3048 02:36:26.079 --> 02:36:28.719 the results of that when I actually started getting a 3049 02:36:28.799 --> 02:36:31.280 little older. So like a lot of friends kind of 3050 02:36:31.520 --> 02:36:34.760 you know, either went to jail or got killed or 3051 02:36:35.040 --> 02:36:37.440 died from overdose, that whole story. So I was like, Okay, 3052 02:36:37.479 --> 02:36:39.680 well this doesn't look like a There's a lot of 3053 02:36:39.719 --> 02:36:42.319 promises but you don't know how to be anything else, right, 3054 02:36:43.319 --> 02:36:46.319 So then I when I went to the army, obviously 3055 02:36:46.399 --> 02:36:47.399 there's some structure there. 3056 02:36:47.600 --> 02:36:52.719 But even then, what Israeli Army the idef Yeah, okay, 3057 02:36:52.879 --> 02:36:55.120 just making sure when you said seventeen years and age, 3058 02:36:55.360 --> 02:36:57.319 I assumed you serve in the idea because that's like 3059 02:36:57.360 --> 02:36:58.840 the whole thing that's forced there. 3060 02:36:58.920 --> 02:37:01.520 But I wasn't sure asking, oh, yeah, well you have to. 3061 02:37:01.559 --> 02:37:03.680 There's not a lot of people, so somebody has to go, right, 3062 02:37:04.840 --> 02:37:06.639 But even there I got in trouble. I actually had 3063 02:37:06.680 --> 02:37:08.479 to serve some time, like I had to. I was 3064 02:37:08.559 --> 02:37:10.920 in jail for like I guess you could say, prison 3065 02:37:11.000 --> 02:37:12.440 for like three months, because. 3066 02:37:12.280 --> 02:37:14.440 Okay, I have to ask, if you're willing to talk about, 3067 02:37:14.520 --> 02:37:16.600 what did you do to get sent to the brig 3068 02:37:16.680 --> 02:37:20.440 in the I d f uh, don't have to talk 3069 02:37:20.440 --> 02:37:21.239 about it if you don't want to. 3070 02:37:21.399 --> 02:37:23.239 I didn't want to, didn't want to listen, and it 3071 02:37:23.319 --> 02:37:27.079 got physical. And then and then and then that's a 3072 02:37:27.479 --> 02:37:30.520 that's a big offense, and in the army, as you know, 3073 02:37:32.920 --> 02:37:37.120 which is funny. But but then and then I and 3074 02:37:37.239 --> 02:37:39.159 then I think the majority of it was because I 3075 02:37:39.239 --> 02:37:41.959 then knew that Okay, that that's I'm done, like, and 3076 02:37:42.079 --> 02:37:45.520 then I had to like I basically ran away for 3077 02:37:45.680 --> 02:37:47.559 like a few months, and then I had to obviously 3078 02:37:47.639 --> 02:37:50.440 serve time. I actually got lucky because they wanted like 3079 02:37:50.520 --> 02:37:52.840 two years, and then I got my lawyer, like it was, 3080 02:37:53.040 --> 02:37:55.120 did some great things and I only ended up being 3081 02:37:55.159 --> 02:38:01.159 like three months or something. But but my experience of 3082 02:38:01.239 --> 02:38:06.760 that whole like relationship to wholesomeness was always like this 3083 02:38:06.959 --> 02:38:10.159 is for idiots, Like, this is for people who just 3084 02:38:10.280 --> 02:38:12.159 like in the matrix, you know what I mean, they 3085 02:38:12.239 --> 02:38:15.680 don't they live there. Well, you know it's a meme, right, 3086 02:38:15.799 --> 02:38:18.680 it's like the people who just kind of lived the 3087 02:38:18.799 --> 02:38:21.559 correct life. It was like, what does that mean? That's bullshit? Right? 3088 02:38:21.680 --> 02:38:23.600 That kind of stuff right is correct? 3089 02:38:23.799 --> 02:38:23.920 Right? 3090 02:38:24.040 --> 02:38:24.239 Yeah? 3091 02:38:24.680 --> 02:38:25.559 What is that right? 3092 02:38:26.840 --> 02:38:30.879 And then obviously I knew that there was one instance 3093 02:38:30.920 --> 02:38:36.000 I will never forget that was really like really got me, 3094 02:38:36.239 --> 02:38:42.520 which is that I discovered later, which is so my 3095 02:38:42.760 --> 02:38:46.280 sister who was literally one of my favorite people on 3096 02:38:46.360 --> 02:38:49.399 the planet and her husband was one of my favorite 3097 02:38:49.440 --> 02:38:54.120 people on the planet. When she met him, I later 3098 02:38:54.280 --> 02:38:56.799 discovered she was afraid to tell me that she was 3099 02:38:56.879 --> 02:38:58.719 dating him because that was the first person she dated 3100 02:38:59.319 --> 02:39:02.760 and that really hurt me because I was. 3101 02:39:02.799 --> 02:39:06.840 Like, wait, and you were gonna lash out about it, 3102 02:39:07.520 --> 02:39:07.799 Like I. 3103 02:39:07.799 --> 02:39:09.959 Don't know what she thought, Like I was pretty violent, 3104 02:39:10.079 --> 02:39:12.159 but like I don't know what she thought that I 3105 02:39:12.200 --> 02:39:15.639 would do to him, like like that's like what you know. 3106 02:39:16.479 --> 02:39:21.639 The fact that that was the reality of it really 3107 02:39:21.799 --> 02:39:24.319 made me reassess everything. And it was coupled with the 3108 02:39:24.360 --> 02:39:26.000 fact that a good friend of mine pulled me to 3109 02:39:26.040 --> 02:39:29.479 the sideby time and he said, Hey, I really don't 3110 02:39:29.479 --> 02:39:32.000 know how to tell you this, but like when you 3111 02:39:32.120 --> 02:39:35.959 talk to people they're afraid of you, like and I was, 3112 02:39:36.120 --> 02:39:38.319 and because I guess I would talk to them kind 3113 02:39:38.319 --> 02:39:40.440 of like Tony Soprano or something I don't know, like 3114 02:39:40.520 --> 02:39:43.920 I was I would look threatening right in and I 3115 02:39:44.040 --> 02:39:46.159 was like, what are you talking about? And then I 3116 02:39:46.280 --> 02:39:49.159 kind of started realizing there's literally mannerisms of me that 3117 02:39:49.319 --> 02:39:51.920 I'm I wasn't even noticing, but it's something I guess 3118 02:39:51.959 --> 02:39:53.959 about the way I was stilting my head, like talking 3119 02:39:54.000 --> 02:39:55.639 to you like that, you know, things like this like 3120 02:39:56.040 --> 02:39:59.760 that definitely came from something for sure, right like there 3121 02:39:59.799 --> 02:40:02.559 was there was there was a reason for that, and 3122 02:40:02.680 --> 02:40:05.719 I liked it. I liked the fact that when I 3123 02:40:05.840 --> 02:40:09.440 discovered that there's power to violence is because when I 3124 02:40:09.559 --> 02:40:14.040 lashed out one time back, Uh, it doesn't matter. I 3125 02:40:14.079 --> 02:40:15.360 don't want to get into that part right now. But 3126 02:40:16.399 --> 02:40:21.799 whomever was abusing me, I basically lashed out back and 3127 02:40:21.920 --> 02:40:24.520 I saw fear and I said, whoa, I like this. 3128 02:40:25.079 --> 02:40:27.920 See fear in respect or oftentimes. 3129 02:40:28.840 --> 02:40:30.959 I like this, So you tell me if I go 3130 02:40:31.120 --> 02:40:32.280 to that mode, I'm safe. 3131 02:40:33.360 --> 02:40:33.680 Okay. 3132 02:40:34.440 --> 02:40:37.000 So then that became a thing. And because I'm actually 3133 02:40:37.920 --> 02:40:39.799 I'm pretty like now I have a beard, but I 3134 02:40:39.879 --> 02:40:44.760 was always like a pretty small frame, look always baby face. 3135 02:40:45.360 --> 02:40:48.319 But I'm freakishly a lot of people say this about themselves, 3136 02:40:48.559 --> 02:40:50.799 but it's actually true, Like I'm freakishly strong, like I'm 3137 02:40:50.879 --> 02:40:53.440 I wasn't martial arts. I was like my left hook 3138 02:40:53.600 --> 02:40:56.600 is like you're not getting up, and and there's there's 3139 02:40:56.719 --> 02:40:59.280 there's like I always pride myself in that. And it's 3140 02:40:59.280 --> 02:41:02.000 also very surprise because somebody expect that from me, right, 3141 02:41:02.319 --> 02:41:05.879 So if I hit you once really hard, you do 3142 02:41:06.040 --> 02:41:08.559 not expect that coming. And I loved that. It was 3143 02:41:08.600 --> 02:41:10.680 my favorite thing when people were like, you know, start 3144 02:41:10.719 --> 02:41:13.239 talking shit and you go wham, and they go, I go, 3145 02:41:13.959 --> 02:41:18.120 that's right, that's good, and then there's this thing and 3146 02:41:18.440 --> 02:41:21.280 now you're addicted to that feeling because it's like you know, 3147 02:41:21.920 --> 02:41:24.639 and now that's the toxic side of it. So now 3148 02:41:25.200 --> 02:41:28.840 I was that's why I felt safe, but I knew 3149 02:41:28.879 --> 02:41:31.520 that because of all of that, it's like, oh, that's crazy. 3150 02:41:31.639 --> 02:41:34.959 That's like I never like, that's the most hurtful thing 3151 02:41:35.000 --> 02:41:36.959 I remember in my entire life when I found out 3152 02:41:36.959 --> 02:41:39.079 that my sister was afraid to tell me. So then 3153 02:41:39.120 --> 02:41:41.200 I was already like, I've done a lot of psychedelgics, 3154 02:41:41.239 --> 02:41:43.520 but never in terms of like healing or anything like this. 3155 02:41:44.200 --> 02:41:48.159 It was just in terms of, hey, we're getting sucked up, 3156 02:41:48.159 --> 02:41:51.120 we're going crazy, going to other planets. Right. So then 3157 02:41:51.200 --> 02:41:54.399 I started noticing that certain things were actually better in 3158 02:41:54.520 --> 02:41:57.120 me as a person after using these seconds, and I 3159 02:41:57.200 --> 02:41:59.239 started kind of tracing back like what could have been, 3160 02:41:59.319 --> 02:42:03.239 and I realizedom's actually really good at really helping kind 3161 02:42:03.280 --> 02:42:05.040 of remedy a lot of stuff in psychology. I was 3162 02:42:05.079 --> 02:42:07.239 just never paying attention to that. So then I started 3163 02:42:07.319 --> 02:42:10.440 using it more in a targeted way, and then I 3164 02:42:10.520 --> 02:42:14.760 discovered meditation. It started actually meditating, and then I discovered 3165 02:42:14.760 --> 02:42:16.840 the bust and I started actually going to retreats and 3166 02:42:16.959 --> 02:42:19.239 doing that whole thing, and then my kind of my 3167 02:42:19.799 --> 02:42:24.120 spiritual growth started really happening. And then I started basically 3168 02:42:24.239 --> 02:42:29.200 learning how to channel these energies to different places. So 3169 02:42:29.360 --> 02:42:34.760 from I guess anger and and kind of like this 3170 02:42:34.920 --> 02:42:38.639 kind of threatening vibe, I channeled it towards a certiveness. 3171 02:42:39.200 --> 02:42:42.120 So it's just I'm showing you with the line of 3172 02:42:42.200 --> 02:42:45.040 what I'm saying is, let's say or in certain situations 3173 02:42:45.079 --> 02:42:47.120 it's kind of nice to be able to say something 3174 02:42:47.280 --> 02:42:50.239 in a particular tone where people just stop. Right. That's 3175 02:42:50.319 --> 02:42:54.520 also nice to have, but it was more towards the positive. 3176 02:42:54.600 --> 02:42:57.520 And obviously, as both of you know, because we all 3177 02:42:57.559 --> 02:43:00.000 have our own journeys, it's always a work in pros, 3178 02:43:00.360 --> 02:43:03.600 like we're constantly like built. But really, at this point 3179 02:43:03.879 --> 02:43:08.360 I can happily say that I am I do not 3180 02:43:08.920 --> 02:43:11.760 know who that person is, Like, that's just an unrecognizable 3181 02:43:11.879 --> 02:43:15.639 person to me. It's not even the in the you know, 3182 02:43:16.200 --> 02:43:18.639 ram of possibilities to ever become something like that again. 3183 02:43:19.399 --> 02:43:22.319 But I'm happy that that was my trajectory because I 3184 02:43:22.399 --> 02:43:26.280 have a certain appreciation of where certain people that are 3185 02:43:26.520 --> 02:43:29.239 like that coming from, because very often it's very easy 3186 02:43:29.440 --> 02:43:32.799 the hardest. One of the hardest emotions to climb out of, 3187 02:43:33.440 --> 02:43:36.840 if that's your expression of your trauma is anger, because 3188 02:43:37.559 --> 02:43:42.079 sadness and other emotions people would it's easier for them 3189 02:43:42.159 --> 02:43:44.959 to kind of aggregate around you to help you because like, oh, 3190 02:43:45.479 --> 02:43:48.120 you know, they feel sorry for you. But anger is 3191 02:43:48.319 --> 02:43:51.600 usually channeled towards someone else in your environment, So it's 3192 02:43:51.680 --> 02:43:55.040 much harder to have compassion for you because, oh, he's 3193 02:43:55.120 --> 02:43:57.040 just an angry person. So I actually have a lot 3194 02:43:57.079 --> 02:43:59.520 of compassion towards that, because being trapped in that is 3195 02:43:59.600 --> 02:44:03.000 very different. You really are completely alone because nobody wants 3196 02:44:03.040 --> 02:44:05.799 to help you because you just you know, that's whenever 3197 02:44:05.840 --> 02:44:09.840 I'm very sensitive to when people point fingers, so it's like, oh, 3198 02:44:10.000 --> 02:44:12.959 this person is just a bad person. Or don't get 3199 02:44:13.000 --> 02:44:15.840 me wrong, there are psychopaths in this world, sure, but 3200 02:44:16.319 --> 02:44:20.120 but it's it's very rare actually, and most people just 3201 02:44:20.200 --> 02:44:22.440 really don't know how to be on other way, and 3202 02:44:23.120 --> 02:44:25.719 there is a way in there. It's just you have 3203 02:44:25.799 --> 02:44:30.639 to understand that energy, that mindset, that that very one 3204 02:44:30.719 --> 02:44:32.879 direction or thing that you have to You can't push 3205 02:44:32.959 --> 02:44:34.799 back because it just makes it more. You got to 3206 02:44:34.879 --> 02:44:37.680 kind of go with it, you know, and so I'm 3207 02:44:37.719 --> 02:44:39.879 very happy I had that, because that's that is I 3208 02:44:40.079 --> 02:44:42.079 think one of the hardest emotions to climb out of. 3209 02:44:43.159 --> 02:44:46.399 And because I have that sensitivity, I do I can 3210 02:44:46.559 --> 02:44:49.520 sometimes connect with people that are very difficult to connect with. 3211 02:44:50.239 --> 02:44:53.200 Yeah, And there's a real spirit of anger that comes 3212 02:44:53.239 --> 02:44:56.440 along with that, right, there's a spirit of sadness that 3213 02:44:56.600 --> 02:44:59.159 will not just encumbash your day to day but like 3214 02:44:59.319 --> 02:45:02.280 and not just depression, although that is very real and 3215 02:45:02.319 --> 02:45:05.760 I'm not trying to negate that at all, but waking 3216 02:45:05.879 --> 02:45:09.520 up angry that you woke up that morning and being 3217 02:45:09.600 --> 02:45:12.760 pissed off about that, like, that is a different type 3218 02:45:12.799 --> 02:45:15.520 of spiral that people can find themselves in. And You're right, 3219 02:45:15.600 --> 02:45:20.159 it's very hard for others to have empathy and compassion 3220 02:45:20.239 --> 02:45:23.760 for somebody who is just waking up mad as hell, 3221 02:45:24.200 --> 02:45:27.360 because they will become the next victim of that person's anger. 3222 02:45:27.520 --> 02:45:30.200 And it's it's very difficult to climb out of that, 3223 02:45:30.399 --> 02:45:32.719 and it's it's very difficult to find an outlet, a 3224 02:45:33.079 --> 02:45:37.239 constructive outlet to put those feelings of anger to rest 3225 02:45:37.760 --> 02:45:41.040 and leave them in the past in order to grow 3226 02:45:41.120 --> 02:45:43.520 as a human being and become a better person. So 3227 02:45:43.639 --> 02:45:45.600 I feel that one hundred percent. I myself dealt with 3228 02:45:45.680 --> 02:45:47.799 my own version of that, so I'm with you for sure. 3229 02:45:48.399 --> 02:45:51.040 Yeah, rage is a is a real thing. It's a 3230 02:45:51.079 --> 02:45:54.799 really it's a really interesting how these energies. I totally 3231 02:45:54.879 --> 02:45:57.639 see how they have like archetypical level, like they are 3232 02:45:57.719 --> 02:46:01.280 an expression of something out there is much bigger. And 3233 02:46:01.639 --> 02:46:03.719 this is why I think all of these things competing 3234 02:46:03.760 --> 02:46:06.920 for our attention because we are the bridge into manifesting 3235 02:46:06.959 --> 02:46:09.040 them into reality. So they're constantly trying to get our 3236 02:46:09.079 --> 02:46:12.360 attention because we are their only way these energies to 3237 02:46:12.559 --> 02:46:15.799 like come out and become part of whatever we call 3238 02:46:15.879 --> 02:46:18.159 the real world. And we've got to be and that's 3239 02:46:18.200 --> 02:46:20.079 why we've got to be very careful with what we 3240 02:46:20.200 --> 02:46:22.680 allow in, what we allow out, how we balance it 3241 02:46:22.760 --> 02:46:23.639 inside of ourselves. 3242 02:46:24.040 --> 02:46:27.079 Yeah, you know, Danny, I wanted to ask you, and 3243 02:46:27.239 --> 02:46:29.159 I don't know if you're even gonna have an answer 3244 02:46:29.239 --> 02:46:32.600 for it or not, but I have somebody very close 3245 02:46:32.639 --> 02:46:34.520 to me. I don't want to say exactly who or what, 3246 02:46:34.760 --> 02:46:40.159 but that has dealt with major, major drug problems and 3247 02:46:40.520 --> 02:46:45.159 has developed such a I mean he's addicted to them, 3248 02:46:45.319 --> 02:46:47.719 you know, can't can't go without him and it's absolutely 3249 02:46:47.840 --> 02:46:50.959 warped his mind. It's so much to where he believes 3250 02:46:51.000 --> 02:46:54.559 that everything that he says is right and he's not. 3251 02:46:55.040 --> 02:46:58.360 He believes that he's so amazing at everything. But he's 3252 02:46:58.440 --> 02:46:59.360 in jail right now. 3253 02:47:01.360 --> 02:47:03.639 Do you think that there Do you think. 3254 02:47:03.520 --> 02:47:05.959 That psychedelics would be able to break him out of 3255 02:47:06.079 --> 02:47:08.920 that or does he have to kind of get clean 3256 02:47:08.959 --> 02:47:11.639 on his own and then maybe peer into that into 3257 02:47:11.719 --> 02:47:13.079 that uh matrix. 3258 02:47:13.479 --> 02:47:15.520 Very hard to say, brother, There's so many different people 3259 02:47:15.600 --> 02:47:18.319 that that they have different answers to exactly what their 3260 02:47:18.600 --> 02:47:20.879 thing is. They have to first be open to it. Right, 3261 02:47:20.959 --> 02:47:22.559 even if you do all the psychedelics in the world, 3262 02:47:22.559 --> 02:47:25.159 if you're not open to it, it can't go in. 3263 02:47:25.319 --> 02:47:28.639 It can't actually do the work for you other people. Again, 3264 02:47:28.799 --> 02:47:32.239 is as trite as it sounds and as much as 3265 02:47:32.280 --> 02:47:34.479 I kind of surprise that I'm saying it at this 3266 02:47:34.520 --> 02:47:37.360 point in my life, but some people's answers Jesus brother, 3267 02:47:37.600 --> 02:47:40.520 like it's there's there's no if you can if you 3268 02:47:40.600 --> 02:47:43.879 can really feel whatever that is, that might be your 3269 02:47:43.920 --> 02:47:46.079 way out. I know people that that had also helped 3270 02:47:46.120 --> 02:47:48.719 them with the drugs and stuff that the psychedelics. We 3271 02:47:48.879 --> 02:47:53.079 do have some research that now shows that psilocybin is 3272 02:47:53.159 --> 02:47:58.200 really effective in helping difficult addictions. This is literature that people, 3273 02:47:58.200 --> 02:48:00.879 if they're interested, they can read. It's John Hopkins mostly. 3274 02:48:01.399 --> 02:48:05.440 But the caveat is that it's only if they had 3275 02:48:06.079 --> 02:48:08.879 what they deemed as a transcendent experience, which they can 3276 02:48:08.920 --> 02:48:12.239 actually measure. There's like certain elements to it that they 3277 02:48:12.559 --> 02:48:14.120 have to be in place. If you just had a 3278 02:48:14.120 --> 02:48:18.239 psychedelic experience, you're not going to have the benefits. It's 3279 02:48:18.319 --> 02:48:22.719 only if you had the transcendent experience coupled with therapy, 3280 02:48:23.040 --> 02:48:25.520 so like with a professional that knows what the moves 3281 02:48:25.559 --> 02:48:29.680 are after integration all of that stuff. So in prison, 3282 02:48:29.879 --> 02:48:33.120 unfortunately and hopefully it will change, but they don't have 3283 02:48:33.280 --> 02:48:36.200 that offered. But I think they should. I honestly think 3284 02:48:36.280 --> 02:48:39.159 that this might be the one of the biggest revolutions 3285 02:48:39.200 --> 02:48:43.600 ever which allowing these sessions in prison. And obviously you 3286 02:48:43.680 --> 02:48:45.719 have to be like you know, it would have to 3287 02:48:45.799 --> 02:48:48.600 go through a lot of different checkpoints where how do 3288 02:48:48.600 --> 02:48:51.840 you exactly do you make that happen, especially with violent offenders. 3289 02:48:51.920 --> 02:48:55.079 And but there's no doubt that if you especially with 3290 02:48:55.120 --> 02:48:59.159 Eboga for example, right known to be like super like 3291 02:48:59.360 --> 02:49:01.959 just like bom no more addiction. Right, it's pretty much 3292 02:49:01.959 --> 02:49:05.760 across the board. I do think that there's definitely a 3293 02:49:05.840 --> 02:49:09.479 room for that conversation and it might revolutionize the world. 3294 02:49:10.719 --> 02:49:13.920 That being said, again, it's always better if you can 3295 02:49:14.479 --> 02:49:18.440 do it in a without the interference of substances, it's better. 3296 02:49:19.319 --> 02:49:21.959 But sometimes maybe a combination. You start with something like 3297 02:49:22.040 --> 02:49:25.280 that in the right setting with therapists and everything, and 3298 02:49:25.440 --> 02:49:28.000 when you have a glimmer of that, there's something really 3299 02:49:28.079 --> 02:49:30.959 there and it's not just stories. Now you start you 3300 02:49:31.040 --> 02:49:32.840 can start doing the work yourself. I would say that 3301 02:49:32.959 --> 02:49:34.600 that combination is probably the best. 3302 02:49:34.399 --> 02:49:35.680 One that makes sense. 3303 02:49:35.799 --> 02:49:36.000 Yeah. 3304 02:49:36.120 --> 02:49:38.680 Yeah, it's just you know what is like he is. 3305 02:49:38.680 --> 02:49:42.639 He serving a long time or I think a long sentence, 3306 02:49:42.760 --> 02:49:45.000 Like he's he there for like ten years? Or is 3307 02:49:45.079 --> 02:49:47.120 this something he's going to jail for a few. 3308 02:49:47.040 --> 02:49:49.639 Nights or no, it's in prison out in Arizona. It's 3309 02:49:49.680 --> 02:49:51.440 like two and a half years as a sentence. I 3310 02:49:51.520 --> 02:49:53.600 think he's already done a little bit over a year 3311 02:49:53.760 --> 02:49:57.040 or something like that. But you know, he's been in 3312 02:49:57.200 --> 02:50:00.479 and out of jail, he's been fraught with drug problems, 3313 02:50:00.520 --> 02:50:03.799 and it's only just it's it's almost like the real 3314 02:50:03.920 --> 02:50:06.959 hymn is not even in there anymore, and that that. 3315 02:50:07.600 --> 02:50:10.120 Is it's always He's always in there. But but yeah, 3316 02:50:10.239 --> 02:50:14.000 it's sometimes ay, it's I do believe that in our 3317 02:50:14.079 --> 02:50:17.079 lifetimes it is going to be a major transformation, probably 3318 02:50:17.600 --> 02:50:20.600 actually very soon, to be honest, and it will come 3319 02:50:20.719 --> 02:50:23.280 to everyone in the way that they're ready to receive it. 3320 02:50:23.520 --> 02:50:28.479 So I have high hopes people just have to just 3321 02:50:28.600 --> 02:50:30.719 have a tiny bit of that opening and it will 3322 02:50:31.200 --> 02:50:31.760 it will enter. 3323 02:50:32.120 --> 02:50:34.639 Yeah, And you know what's really sad is is that 3324 02:50:35.360 --> 02:50:39.600 you would expect in an ideal world, if somebody goes 3325 02:50:39.639 --> 02:50:42.520 to jail for doing drugs, you would expect, well, they're 3326 02:50:42.559 --> 02:50:45.200 gonna get clean while they're in jail because they don't 3327 02:50:45.239 --> 02:50:46.120 have access to it. 3328 02:50:46.200 --> 02:50:49.799 But the problem is, I mean, so many jails find 3329 02:50:49.879 --> 02:50:52.879 drugs is jail bro which is fucked, you know, like 3330 02:50:53.000 --> 02:50:54.440 that shouldn't even be a thing. 3331 02:50:54.559 --> 02:50:56.719 Yeah, I think I think the only way to truly 3332 02:50:56.799 --> 02:50:58.639 do that again, it has to be like without the 3333 02:50:58.799 --> 02:51:01.600 hiding and the know, the troll under the bridge of 3334 02:51:01.639 --> 02:51:05.959 the vibe. You can have that and think about the energy. 3335 02:51:06.040 --> 02:51:08.639 How sensitive you become too energies. Imagine something happens to 3336 02:51:08.719 --> 02:51:11.399 him even more traumatizing. Well, he's on these substances. I mean, 3337 02:51:11.479 --> 02:51:15.639 that's game over, right, So it has to be that 3338 02:51:16.000 --> 02:51:19.600 prisons opened themselves up through that possibility to actually do 3339 02:51:19.840 --> 02:51:21.879 that kind of stuff. I mean, that can actually solve 3340 02:51:21.920 --> 02:51:22.360 the problem. 3341 02:51:23.360 --> 02:51:25.440 Yeah, that would definitely take it to the next level 3342 02:51:25.559 --> 02:51:28.719 because the prison system is definitely failing. 3343 02:51:28.799 --> 02:51:29.760 There's no doubt about that. 3344 02:51:30.520 --> 02:51:32.239 It's the worst absolutely. 3345 02:51:33.000 --> 02:51:35.159 All right, So before we wrap, because I know we're 3346 02:51:35.159 --> 02:51:37.280 getting to the end of this episode, Danny, I wanted 3347 02:51:37.319 --> 02:51:40.000 to ask you one more question. All right, super off topic, 3348 02:51:40.079 --> 02:51:44.319 but super within your realm of expertise. Okay, Now, and 3349 02:51:44.600 --> 02:51:47.600 I know nothing about this. I've heard some rumors. I've 3350 02:51:47.639 --> 02:51:50.760 heard some reports. Want to get your take. There are 3351 02:51:51.319 --> 02:51:55.639 allegedly people who are delving into the dm T realm 3352 02:51:56.120 --> 02:51:59.879 and they are mapping the dm T world. There a 3353 02:52:00.120 --> 02:52:03.280 collaborating their stories, and they're drawing out these maps of 3354 02:52:03.360 --> 02:52:07.200 the architecture of whatever, of what the d MT world 3355 02:52:07.559 --> 02:52:10.479 looks like and is built upon, and these things. 3356 02:52:11.120 --> 02:52:12.440 What is your take on this? 3357 02:52:14.079 --> 02:52:16.799 If you are you talking about DMTX, I don't know 3358 02:52:16.879 --> 02:52:17.280 the type. 3359 02:52:17.360 --> 02:52:18.079 Yeah, that's what it is. 3360 02:52:18.920 --> 02:52:22.799 Yeah, that's not a rumor, that's that's a they're doing 3361 02:52:22.920 --> 02:52:25.879 this as far as I know. It's being funded by Nuonautics, 3362 02:52:25.920 --> 02:52:29.040 which is an international company that does psychadelic research and education, 3363 02:52:29.680 --> 02:52:32.239 and one of their programs is called d mt X, 3364 02:52:32.799 --> 02:52:36.399 which is currently active in the Imperial College in London 3365 02:52:36.559 --> 02:52:40.280 and this year started starting or already started in San 3366 02:52:40.360 --> 02:52:45.200 Diego under John dene in the Imperial College in London. 3367 02:52:45.479 --> 02:52:51.559 It's under Christermerman and Lisa Lewen, I believe, and yeah, 3368 02:52:51.639 --> 02:52:55.280 I mean Gallimore helped them. Oh I know that Gallamore 3369 02:52:55.319 --> 02:52:59.920 also started his own thing now in the Caribbeans, I think, 3370 02:53:00.079 --> 02:53:03.600 I'm not sure, but somewhere and basically they do a 3371 02:53:03.760 --> 02:53:08.000 long drip like you stay there for a long time 3372 02:53:09.040 --> 02:53:14.719 through IV drip and the aim is to see if well, 3373 02:53:14.799 --> 02:53:17.200 there's a few so like the first round, they wanted 3374 02:53:17.200 --> 02:53:20.959 to see if people can agree on the entities then, which, 3375 02:53:21.000 --> 02:53:23.440 by the way, there's one of the subjects from there. 3376 02:53:24.159 --> 02:53:29.959 There you go. You can look up Alexander Bayner. Yeah, 3377 02:53:30.040 --> 02:53:34.799 that's their logo. This is the one in Colorado. I 3378 02:53:35.159 --> 02:53:38.159 don't know actually Colorado. As far as I know they are, 3379 02:53:38.879 --> 02:53:42.399 they're not active under actual DMTX as far as I understand. 3380 02:53:42.239 --> 02:53:42.600 They are. 3381 02:53:42.639 --> 02:53:46.120 The Coolera IV stuff. I think it's like ten thousand 3382 02:53:46.159 --> 02:53:47.879 dollars a pop, like you can actually go and just 3383 02:53:47.959 --> 02:53:50.360 do it, like they pay ten thousand dollars and that's 3384 02:53:50.399 --> 02:53:54.360 what you do. Yeah, that's different though, because I don't 3385 02:53:54.360 --> 02:53:57.120 think they belong to the same research program. But I 3386 02:53:57.200 --> 02:54:00.399 guess the mission statement is the same. But the actual 3387 02:54:00.479 --> 02:54:03.319 DMTX is Imperial College in London and San Diego as 3388 02:54:03.360 --> 02:54:06.719 far as I know to date, But the mission statement 3389 02:54:06.799 --> 02:54:09.360 is the same. And yeah, the idea is to basically 3390 02:54:09.399 --> 02:54:11.319 see if you can map the space. They're the only 3391 02:54:11.479 --> 02:54:14.440 research as far as I know today that is not 3392 02:54:14.799 --> 02:54:21.360 interested necessarily primarily in the therapeutic question, but in the 3393 02:54:21.520 --> 02:54:24.840 actual ontological question, the same one that I ask myself, 3394 02:54:24.920 --> 02:54:28.799 which is is this real? Like real real? That's interesting 3395 02:54:28.840 --> 02:54:31.639 because these are serious researchers. They're asking and they have resources, 3396 02:54:31.639 --> 02:54:34.600 and they're doing it in a lab government sanction. The 3397 02:54:34.680 --> 02:54:39.280 government knows about it, approves of it. And the second round, 3398 02:54:39.440 --> 02:54:40.840 so the first round they try to see if they 3399 02:54:40.879 --> 02:54:43.159 can agree on the beings the subjects. 3400 02:54:43.200 --> 02:54:43.360 See. 3401 02:54:43.600 --> 02:54:46.159 I want to mention wonderful book, very short book, but 3402 02:54:46.280 --> 02:54:49.799 really really truly great book by Alexander Bahner called The 3403 02:54:49.840 --> 02:54:52.120 bigger picture. He was one of the first subjects in 3404 02:54:52.159 --> 02:54:54.559 the DMTX is I was. I always say, it's kind 3405 02:54:54.559 --> 02:54:55.959 of I don't know if it's an insult to him. 3406 02:54:56.639 --> 02:54:58.479 At a minute, it as an insult, but he's just 3407 02:54:58.639 --> 02:55:01.159 very young. But he's an credible writer. That was very 3408 02:55:01.200 --> 02:55:06.079 surprised by how articulate he is, and I think the 3409 02:55:06.120 --> 02:55:09.239 outlines some very profound ideas there about the modern use 3410 02:55:09.360 --> 02:55:11.639 of psychedelics in general and the kind of teachings we 3411 02:55:11.719 --> 02:55:14.840 should take on board and injecting to our systems. Very 3412 02:55:15.319 --> 02:55:20.840 worth the read. And the second round they tried to 3413 02:55:20.879 --> 02:55:23.239 see if they can prove any kind of telepathy between 3414 02:55:23.239 --> 02:55:26.479 the subjects. They've never seen each other. This third round, 3415 02:55:26.479 --> 02:55:27.959 as far as I know this started, I'm not sure 3416 02:55:28.000 --> 02:55:31.440 what the main aim is, but yeah, that's that's like 3417 02:55:31.520 --> 02:55:34.239 a real thought as far as I know. One of 3418 02:55:34.319 --> 02:55:37.520 the ideas is to see if the space in fact 3419 02:55:37.639 --> 02:55:41.079 is real. Is it possible to stabilize your brain enough 3420 02:55:42.000 --> 02:55:45.040 so you can actually start mapping it in a coherent way. 3421 02:55:45.159 --> 02:55:47.799 So in the beginning they I think the longest they 3422 02:55:47.840 --> 02:55:50.760 did so far was forty minutes. The aim is to 3423 02:55:51.239 --> 02:55:52.920 amp it up, so to see if you can stay 3424 02:55:52.959 --> 02:55:56.200 there for hours and eventually a day, and eventually days 3425 02:55:56.200 --> 02:55:58.280 and eventually weeks. So the idea is, can you live 3426 02:55:58.360 --> 02:56:00.639 there for a few weeks, obviously going to be fed 3427 02:56:00.760 --> 02:56:03.319 through whatever system you need to see if you can 3428 02:56:03.399 --> 02:56:04.760 live there for a little while and see if you 3429 02:56:04.799 --> 02:56:07.879 can actually create relationships with these beings. And yeah, this 3430 02:56:08.040 --> 02:56:12.120 is open source, this is not a secret, and some 3431 02:56:12.280 --> 02:56:16.479 of the most brilliant people are involved in this. We 3432 02:56:16.799 --> 02:56:19.680 are kind of aiming to maybe in quote a reality. 3433 02:56:19.760 --> 02:56:23.840 We're trying to maybe create also another layer of investigation 3434 02:56:24.319 --> 02:56:28.719 that will involve mainstream scientists, like physicists, like computer scientists, 3435 02:56:28.760 --> 02:56:31.360 to see if we can actually create a coherent picture 3436 02:56:31.399 --> 02:56:34.520 and a bridge between what we understand from these higher 3437 02:56:34.600 --> 02:56:37.639 realms through the mind and what we already understand about physics, 3438 02:56:37.760 --> 02:56:40.319 and where can we actually merge the two. But there's 3439 02:56:40.559 --> 02:56:42.760 there's incredible work being done on this, and this is 3440 02:56:42.879 --> 02:56:44.399 this is you know, not a secret at all. 3441 02:56:44.879 --> 02:56:49.159 So how does this tie into or go parallel with 3442 02:56:49.399 --> 02:56:52.040 the research that you have done as far as looking 3443 02:56:52.120 --> 02:56:55.479 at lasers while DMT. 3444 02:56:55.520 --> 02:56:57.959 Is being used as well, does this tie in? Is 3445 02:56:58.040 --> 02:57:00.920 this like a different subset if you will, How does 3446 02:57:01.000 --> 02:57:01.479 this play in. 3447 02:57:01.959 --> 02:57:04.319 So It's interesting you asked me that because it's my 3448 02:57:04.559 --> 02:57:08.040 relationship with this whole side of the What they're doing 3449 02:57:08.159 --> 02:57:11.120 is a little contentious because a lot of them criticize 3450 02:57:11.559 --> 02:57:13.399 what I do. In the beginning, obviously they were just 3451 02:57:13.440 --> 02:57:15.639 ignoring it because they thought it was just an internet fed. 3452 02:57:15.879 --> 02:57:19.079 Wait why if anything, it sounds like they'd be buked 3453 02:57:19.079 --> 02:57:19.799 about what you're doing. 3454 02:57:19.879 --> 02:57:24.280 There's more, there's more, Uh is it? 3455 02:57:24.399 --> 02:57:24.680 Ego? 3456 02:57:25.559 --> 02:57:25.799 Yeah? 3457 02:57:26.520 --> 02:57:26.719 God? 3458 02:57:27.680 --> 02:57:32.760 Yeah, uh so they look fair to be fair, to 3459 02:57:32.879 --> 02:57:37.600 be fair, to be fair, yes, and so ego is 3460 02:57:37.600 --> 02:57:40.040 always involved on my end, on their end, ego is 3461 02:57:40.040 --> 02:57:43.360 always there. We always have our egoing things. But to 3462 02:57:43.479 --> 02:57:47.120 be fair. So on the one hand, I can say, uh, 3463 02:57:47.799 --> 02:57:49.600 you know, a lot of them never even seen it, 3464 02:57:49.760 --> 02:57:51.959 and then they it's almost like literally like the Catholic 3465 02:57:52.040 --> 02:57:55.000 Church refusing to look through the telescope, telling y'all like no, 3466 02:57:55.280 --> 02:57:57.639 like just we don't want to look through the telescope. However, 3467 02:57:57.760 --> 02:57:59.879 there are, as far as I know, some of them 3468 02:58:00.040 --> 02:58:03.079 did try. I would say, didn't try hard enough. Some 3469 02:58:03.159 --> 02:58:05.120 of them that basically kind of like obviously if you 3470 02:58:05.200 --> 02:58:07.000 go into it like trying to just reject the thing. 3471 02:58:07.639 --> 02:58:10.799 It look. It's true that if what I'm claiming is true, 3472 02:58:10.879 --> 02:58:13.079 and it's just there. It should just be apparent, doesn't 3473 02:58:13.079 --> 02:58:14.959 matter what you attitude towards it is, which is what 3474 02:58:15.079 --> 02:58:18.639 I'm claiming, So fair enough, I take that point. Unfortunately, 3475 02:58:18.719 --> 02:58:20.319 we don't know why that is that in the beginning 3476 02:58:20.399 --> 02:58:23.840 some people having a hard time with it, But so 3477 02:58:24.680 --> 02:58:27.159 to be fair, some of them did try it. Others 3478 02:58:27.319 --> 02:58:29.280 take the word of the ones that did try it 3479 02:58:29.440 --> 02:58:32.719 and kind of run with that the analysis they're trying 3480 02:58:32.760 --> 02:58:35.879 to run throw it at at the moment. Gallimore's analysis 3481 02:58:35.959 --> 02:58:39.200 is that he thinks that it has something to do 3482 02:58:39.399 --> 02:58:42.719 with the alignment of coherent light with the speckle effect, 3483 02:58:43.319 --> 02:58:48.479 and he's an expert in what kinds of hallucinations the 3484 02:58:48.559 --> 02:58:52.200 brain can bring about because he's is a computational neurobiologist 3485 02:58:52.760 --> 02:58:55.200 and he studied DMT in particular for a long time. 3486 02:58:55.440 --> 02:58:57.760 By the way, also recommend his books highly. I'm only 3487 02:58:57.799 --> 02:58:59.600 recommending the ones that I know that are actually really 3488 02:58:59.600 --> 02:59:02.840 good in it Educational Reality Switch Technologies. The second book 3489 02:59:02.920 --> 02:59:05.159 is probably the best one to educate you about the molecule, 3490 02:59:05.200 --> 02:59:08.559 about neuroscience and what is actually going on there. So 3491 02:59:08.719 --> 02:59:11.319 his idea is that it has something to do with 3492 02:59:12.040 --> 02:59:14.360 the speckle effect, which is just basically the way that 3493 02:59:14.479 --> 02:59:16.399 kind of laser hits the wall, you know, like these 3494 02:59:16.440 --> 02:59:20.239 glistening things that you see, and a very particular kind 3495 02:59:20.520 --> 02:59:27.239 of information arrangement in the brain when DMT is present 3496 02:59:27.719 --> 02:59:31.399 that allows for these super realistic kind of hallucinations that 3497 02:59:31.399 --> 02:59:35.079 are mapped onto the surface. The issue, well, the issue 3498 02:59:35.159 --> 02:59:36.639 with this is a few fall But first of all, 3499 02:59:36.680 --> 02:59:38.479 it's not on the surface, it's all the way in. 3500 02:59:38.680 --> 02:59:41.959 It's like a full structure. There's completely coherent inside. It's 3501 02:59:42.079 --> 02:59:45.559 way too coherent to fit into the category of what 3502 02:59:45.680 --> 02:59:50.280 is describing. I would say another model that is recently 3503 02:59:50.360 --> 02:59:53.360 there was a Andres Gomez was also a brilliant scientist 3504 02:59:53.440 --> 03:00:00.600 and mathematician, the head of the Qualier Research Institute in 3505 03:00:00.719 --> 03:00:05.159 San Francisco. Truly brilliant guy, highly becoming this conversation with 3506 03:00:05.319 --> 03:00:09.440 the Theories of Everything podcast Kurt Gimungo and they were 3507 03:00:09.479 --> 03:00:12.040 talking about the laser because Kurt obviously heard about the 3508 03:00:12.120 --> 03:00:14.520 laser asked him about it. He said that he thinks 3509 03:00:14.520 --> 03:00:16.840 it has something to do with liquid crystals in the 3510 03:00:16.920 --> 03:00:19.760 brain aligning themselves, especially with light, that it makes it 3511 03:00:19.840 --> 03:00:23.120 even more coherent. Again, from what I know my interaction 3512 03:00:23.200 --> 03:00:25.799 with them, I mean we're in contact, is that they 3513 03:00:25.959 --> 03:00:29.079 only saw a glimmer of what we're actually describing. And 3514 03:00:29.799 --> 03:00:33.600 Andre says it would squarely fall within the purview of 3515 03:00:33.639 --> 03:00:36.840 what they would expect to see in instead of quality 3516 03:00:36.840 --> 03:00:42.319 of research institute, which is that it's basically somatic patterns 3517 03:00:42.639 --> 03:00:46.799 that expressed themselves, from the light to the stochastic pattern 3518 03:00:47.079 --> 03:00:51.399 from the liquid crystals in your brain. Again, I understand 3519 03:00:51.440 --> 03:00:54.040 his an argument, and I even understand the specificities of it. 3520 03:00:54.680 --> 03:00:56.600 I don't think it tracks in terms of what we're 3521 03:00:56.600 --> 03:00:59.840 actually seeing, but beyond that, there's just way too much 3522 03:01:00.639 --> 03:01:03.079 in my experience that is already put it over the hump, 3523 03:01:03.200 --> 03:01:07.280 Like I'm not I'm not guessing it's not a for me, right. 3524 03:01:07.600 --> 03:01:10.440 I know that because again I'm interacting with the beings 3525 03:01:10.479 --> 03:01:12.840 that I'm telling me this directly. I have what I 3526 03:01:12.959 --> 03:01:15.520 call the console, which is this, you know, the computer 3527 03:01:15.559 --> 03:01:17.200 console that appears from one hundred percent of the time 3528 03:01:17.280 --> 03:01:20.719 is extremely realistic to just do any things here. It 3529 03:01:20.799 --> 03:01:23.879 doesn't really track. But all of that is just this 3530 03:01:24.040 --> 03:01:27.360 is noise, right, Like it's important, we do need to 3531 03:01:27.399 --> 03:01:30.840 have these conversations, but ultimately my aim is not to 3532 03:01:30.920 --> 03:01:33.639 convince anybody I want to substantiate these claims. So what 3533 03:01:33.719 --> 03:01:35.680 we're going to aim for is to see if we 3534 03:01:35.799 --> 03:01:39.799 can actually bring about something that is coherent, repeatable, actionable, 3535 03:01:39.959 --> 03:01:42.239 something that anybody can replicate it in a lab and 3536 03:01:42.319 --> 03:01:45.239 then send it to the Wringer with the scientific method 3537 03:01:45.280 --> 03:01:47.559 the way it needs to. Yes, it's paradigm shifting, so 3538 03:01:47.600 --> 03:01:50.159 it's going to be obviously going to meet some resistance. 3539 03:01:51.280 --> 03:01:52.959 But I do think that if I manage to do 3540 03:01:53.079 --> 03:01:56.280 certain things, like you know, being able to translate from 3541 03:01:56.440 --> 03:01:59.399 like some kind of an edge detection algorithm that can 3542 03:01:59.440 --> 03:02:01.559 see it really well, and then maybe decode some things 3543 03:02:01.639 --> 03:02:03.680 or showed that we can create perturbations to it in 3544 03:02:03.719 --> 03:02:05.520 a way that is coherent, it's going to be a 3545 03:02:05.600 --> 03:02:07.639 lot harder to argue with. And our aim is to 3546 03:02:07.760 --> 03:02:10.319 understand the world, not to convince people of things. So 3547 03:02:11.040 --> 03:02:13.479 then so my relationship with them is actually pretty contentiou 3548 03:02:14.000 --> 03:02:17.360 it's funny enough because that generated more interested in the 3549 03:02:17.440 --> 03:02:19.440 film than I think of most things, because all of 3550 03:02:19.479 --> 03:02:22.559 a sudden, these heavy hitters, like pretty known scientists started 3551 03:02:22.639 --> 03:02:24.559 commenting on it because they were forced to. All of 3552 03:02:24.600 --> 03:02:26.600 a sudden, people kind of like, why aren't you talking 3553 03:02:26.639 --> 03:02:29.120 about this and then they're like, this is nonsense, that's 3554 03:02:29.120 --> 03:02:31.319 why we're not talking about this, and then they came 3555 03:02:31.360 --> 03:02:36.200 at me. I responded that interaction actually generated a lot 3556 03:02:36.239 --> 03:02:38.680 more interested in the film, which is which is great. 3557 03:02:38.959 --> 03:02:42.879 Hey that works. Yeah, that's awesome. Man. 3558 03:02:43.000 --> 03:02:45.479 Well, I mean, look, we really appreciate you coming to 3559 03:02:45.559 --> 03:02:48.719 hang out with us and diving into a little bit 3560 03:02:48.959 --> 03:02:52.440 of what is on the other side potentially what is 3561 03:02:52.600 --> 03:02:54.719 this not even necessarily the other side, but what is 3562 03:02:54.920 --> 03:02:57.280 this side actually made up of? 3563 03:02:57.600 --> 03:02:59.600 Like, and I think that we all have a certain 3564 03:02:59.680 --> 03:03:01.840 question and where do we come from? Where are we going? 3565 03:03:01.920 --> 03:03:04.000 Why are we here? You know, we're all. 3566 03:03:04.000 --> 03:03:05.760 Searching for this kind of stuff. And I think that 3567 03:03:05.840 --> 03:03:09.079 you're doing really good work, and you the level of 3568 03:03:09.200 --> 03:03:11.559 insight that you have. I think that it takes a 3569 03:03:11.680 --> 03:03:14.440 certain special kind of mind, like your own, to be 3570 03:03:14.479 --> 03:03:17.879 able to try and decipher what's real what's fiction. And 3571 03:03:18.000 --> 03:03:20.639 I like that you're going at it from a very scientific, 3572 03:03:20.840 --> 03:03:23.440 even kind of way, and that you're not trying to 3573 03:03:23.600 --> 03:03:27.520 convince somebody of anything. It's more so you're you're sharing 3574 03:03:27.719 --> 03:03:31.520 with your You're sharing what you discovered, and other people 3575 03:03:31.639 --> 03:03:33.920 are seeing it too. If they apply the same methods. 3576 03:03:34.000 --> 03:03:36.639 So I love it, man, and I can't wait until 3577 03:03:37.440 --> 03:03:39.920 you know, we we actually get some eyes on the 3578 03:03:40.040 --> 03:03:43.559 discovery is do do you know when like that whole 3579 03:03:43.600 --> 03:03:46.000 thing is going to be ramping out the movie? 3580 03:03:46.040 --> 03:03:48.600 You mean, yeah, closest to the end of the year, 3581 03:03:48.879 --> 03:03:51.559 We're we're in full forth that we now, uh, we've 3582 03:03:51.600 --> 03:03:56.000 been funded. John Chavez funded a big chunk of the movie, 3583 03:03:56.600 --> 03:03:59.799 and we had like this incredible contribution out of nowhere. 3584 03:04:00.120 --> 03:04:03.319 This Tibetan monk who just literally just like came in 3585 03:04:03.360 --> 03:04:05.479 the middle of a live that I'm doing on YouTube 3586 03:04:05.520 --> 03:04:07.760 and literally put one hundred and thirty thousand dollars you 3587 03:04:07.879 --> 03:04:09.559 just like just like send it to me. 3588 03:04:09.600 --> 03:04:13.200 I was like, Tibetan monks have that much. 3589 03:04:13.520 --> 03:04:21.920 Well, he his handle is okay, his handle is infinite 3590 03:04:22.239 --> 03:04:25.879 Paradox Buddha, and let me tell you he is a paradox. 3591 03:04:26.799 --> 03:04:28.639 I don't want to say his name on air because 3592 03:04:28.639 --> 03:04:30.280 I don't know if he wants it aired. But when 3593 03:04:30.319 --> 03:04:31.879 we're done, I'll tell you his name. You'll be like, 3594 03:04:31.959 --> 03:04:35.799 you'll you'll laugh his actual name. But he's basically a 3595 03:04:35.920 --> 03:04:41.959 guy who made a fortune in crypto and stuff like that, 3596 03:04:42.440 --> 03:04:44.840 and then he kind of discovered this other realm that 3597 03:04:45.040 --> 03:04:47.000 he realized he had his own life. He could like 3598 03:04:47.159 --> 03:04:49.760 astro project, he could do all these things. And then 3599 03:04:49.799 --> 03:04:53.319 he basically went and started like meditating hardcore, and he 3600 03:04:53.440 --> 03:04:57.639 went into Tibet and started just being there. And he lives, 3601 03:04:57.840 --> 03:04:59.319 from what I understand, in China most of the time, 3602 03:04:59.360 --> 03:05:00.760 but he kind of travel in between as long as 3603 03:05:00.920 --> 03:05:03.079 Visa allows him to and he just goes there and 3604 03:05:03.200 --> 03:05:04.879 comes back. So he has a wife, he has, he 3605 03:05:04.920 --> 03:05:07.120 has a life, but he goes and like spends as 3606 03:05:07.200 --> 03:05:09.840 much time as he Canada. Thing. When I was talking 3607 03:05:09.879 --> 03:05:13.479 to him, it's it's it's bro. He's again. I don't 3608 03:05:13.520 --> 03:05:16.280 know how much he wants exposed about him, so I'm 3609 03:05:16.280 --> 03:05:17.719 not gonna say, Tom, I can't tell you off air, 3610 03:05:17.799 --> 03:05:21.040 but this guy is on another level. Bro. He's like 3611 03:05:21.680 --> 03:05:23.959 truly like he just like came and like I've never 3612 03:05:24.040 --> 03:05:26.000 seen people were like in the middle of the life. 3613 03:05:26.000 --> 03:05:27.879 They're like, what's going on? Like the guy just like 3614 03:05:28.719 --> 03:05:30.799 just like and I'm like, obviously, I'm like I'll send 3615 03:05:30.799 --> 03:05:33.159 you a contract, and he's like, yeah, I don't, I 3616 03:05:33.200 --> 03:05:35.840 don't want anything. Just this is I'm not trying to 3617 03:05:35.879 --> 03:05:38.760 get like tax deduction or like this is yours. You 3618 03:05:38.840 --> 03:05:43.280 guys needed for the film, please a stud It's like yeah, 3619 03:05:43.559 --> 03:05:46.079 but but it's one of these like and you know, 3620 03:05:46.399 --> 03:05:49.680 this is crazy. So two days before, maybe a day 3621 03:05:49.760 --> 03:05:52.399 or two before after, we were funded like a big 3622 03:05:52.479 --> 03:05:55.879 chunk was funded by Chavez and and by the way, 3623 03:05:56.079 --> 03:05:58.319 important dimension. So I'm doing all these name drops, but 3624 03:05:58.319 --> 03:06:03.360 I think they are important to mention. Kevin Chuco funded 3625 03:06:03.399 --> 03:06:05.200 actually was one of the first people to believe in us, 3626 03:06:05.239 --> 03:06:08.319 and just dropped like twenty grand, like without again, no promise, 3627 03:06:08.319 --> 03:06:09.799 in no other things. You like here, I think I 3628 03:06:09.879 --> 03:06:12.760 want you to get you guys started right, so incredible 3629 03:06:12.760 --> 03:06:14.280 people just kind of came along and kind of give 3630 03:06:14.360 --> 03:06:18.799 us this like head start, and then John Chavis put 3631 03:06:18.879 --> 03:06:22.639 like a big chunk, and then Aaron the director, were 3632 03:06:22.760 --> 03:06:25.120 just he finished shooting a scene and were sitting and 3633 03:06:25.200 --> 03:06:26.479 he was like, well, you know, I kind of looked 3634 03:06:26.479 --> 03:06:29.120 at it. He looked a little worried. He was like, well, 3635 03:06:29.159 --> 03:06:30.760 I kind of we need to raise at least a 3636 03:06:30.799 --> 03:06:32.840 one hundred grand if we're really gonna I'm like, okay, 3637 03:06:33.239 --> 03:06:36.639 like you know, we'll raise it one hundred grand. This 3638 03:06:36.840 --> 03:06:40.239 was two days before this happened. Well just literally the 3639 03:06:40.399 --> 03:06:41.040 universe goes. 3640 03:06:42.120 --> 03:06:42.600 I got you. 3641 03:06:43.479 --> 03:06:43.719 Yeah. 3642 03:06:44.680 --> 03:06:47.239 I at this point, I'm not questioning anything. It's just 3643 03:06:47.360 --> 03:06:52.239 like it's just miracles, bro, amazing. 3644 03:06:53.360 --> 03:06:57.520 That is freaking awesome, dude. Well look, I mean we're 3645 03:06:57.600 --> 03:06:59.760 happy to be with you on this journey. We're happy 3646 03:06:59.840 --> 03:07:02.000 that you know, we can be a part and try 3647 03:07:02.040 --> 03:07:05.600 and understand the process and how your mind works at 3648 03:07:05.639 --> 03:07:07.959 getting you there, and like you're you're one of my 3649 03:07:08.040 --> 03:07:09.000 favorite people to talk to. 3650 03:07:09.120 --> 03:07:09.319 Dude. 3651 03:07:09.319 --> 03:07:12.000 I could literally just sit back and listen to you 3652 03:07:12.280 --> 03:07:15.120 all day because I feel like it's just it's like 3653 03:07:15.280 --> 03:07:18.959 class except for it's a classroom that I'm actually paying 3654 03:07:19.000 --> 03:07:21.600 attention to, you know, like it's one of those kind. 3655 03:07:21.520 --> 03:07:23.959 Of things that's the huge on brother to hear something 3656 03:07:24.079 --> 03:07:24.239 like this. 3657 03:07:24.520 --> 03:07:27.680 Yeah, man, absolutely, But if you would, could you let 3658 03:07:27.719 --> 03:07:30.239 our good cult members know where they can find you, sir? 3659 03:07:30.879 --> 03:07:33.799 Yep. My YouTube channel is the thing I'm promoting the 3660 03:07:33.840 --> 03:07:37.920 most Dengo thoughts d A n g O thoughts, and 3661 03:07:38.079 --> 03:07:42.639 our website is quotoreality dot com. Those are the main 3662 03:07:43.239 --> 03:07:46.200 two andresses awesome. All right. 3663 03:07:46.680 --> 03:07:49.000 That is freaking awesome, dude. Thank you so much for 3664 03:07:49.079 --> 03:07:51.440 hanging out with us, Jacob. Can we get some Knife 3665 03:07:51.440 --> 03:07:52.360 fans up in here, sir. 3666 03:07:52.600 --> 03:07:56.159 Before I do, if anybody would like to see Danny's 3667 03:07:56.360 --> 03:08:01.040 gorgeous face rather than just hear all of our voices, Jonathan, 3668 03:08:01.120 --> 03:08:03.079 please at this time tell them where they can go. 3669 03:08:03.479 --> 03:08:04.440 Here's a sexy man. 3670 03:08:04.559 --> 03:08:06.479 If you want to see that sexy face, come over 3671 03:08:06.520 --> 03:08:09.440 to patreon dot com slash Cult of Conspiracy podcast. That 3672 03:08:09.600 --> 03:08:12.200 link is down to the show notes below, and it's 3673 03:08:12.239 --> 03:08:13.760 the best way to be able to support the show. 3674 03:08:13.840 --> 03:08:15.319 So if you're somebody that wants to be able to 3675 03:08:15.360 --> 03:08:17.200 see the video, see the shows a couple of days 3676 03:08:17.239 --> 03:08:23.680 in advance, and get completely commotional listen, then you go 3677 03:08:23.840 --> 03:08:26.280 over to Cult of the Patreon dot com slash Cult 3678 03:08:26.319 --> 03:08:28.840 of Conspiracy podcast. That link is down the show notes 3679 03:08:29.000 --> 03:08:31.639 and uh yeah, it's It's awesome, dude, because what you 3680 03:08:31.719 --> 03:08:35.159 get is then you'll you'll then be included on the 3681 03:08:35.319 --> 03:08:38.280 cult member live shows that are every Tuesday night at 3682 03:08:38.360 --> 03:08:40.280 nine pm Central. You'll be able to join in on 3683 03:08:40.360 --> 03:08:42.399 the conversation. Or if you just want to sit back, 3684 03:08:42.440 --> 03:08:46.200 relax and you know, see us crazies go, then that 3685 03:08:46.520 --> 03:08:48.760 is the place to be. And it's Tuesday night. What 3686 03:08:48.840 --> 03:08:50.760 else you doing on a fucking Tuesday night? Let's just 3687 03:08:50.799 --> 03:08:53.520 be real Tuesday. That's why we picked Tuesday, because it's 3688 03:08:53.600 --> 03:08:56.159 the most it's probably the lamest day of the week. 3689 03:08:56.280 --> 03:08:57.159 Let's just be honest. 3690 03:08:57.239 --> 03:08:59.840 But let's let's spice it up a little bit by 3691 03:09:00.120 --> 03:09:02.440 joining us for the Cult Member Live show. 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