Speaker 1: Odoves are Hey, good cult members.
Speaker 2: Just before we get started with the show, we did
Speaker 2: or we do have a gentleman coming on by the
Speaker 2: name of Danny Gohler, and he created a documentary that
Speaker 2: is going to be coming out towards the end of
Speaker 2: this year, and he has a trailer that is able
Speaker 2: for anybody to go and watch. I'm actually going to
Speaker 2: play it now, so it kind of gives a little
Speaker 2: bit of context about what we're gonna be talking about.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm gonna play that right now, and we'll
Speaker 2: check it out and we'll get into the show.
Speaker 3: I remember things very vividly from a very young age.
Speaker 3: When I was a little kid, I actually spent a
Speaker 3: lot of time with my grandparents. My grandfather was a
Speaker 3: nuclear physicist. I remember he was telling me about.
Speaker 4: Black holes and that terrified me. I was like, that's
Speaker 4: just mind boggling.
Speaker 5: It's a monster, right, But at the same time it
Speaker 5: fascinated me, and I said to myself, how do we
Speaker 5: know that this unthinkably massive thing.
Speaker 6: I realized that nature doesn't keep secrets. It's only a
Speaker 6: matter of do.
Speaker 4: We understand what tools can we use to expand our knowledge?
Speaker 4: And for me, that methol triptween, also known as d MT.
Speaker 6: It was the tool that led me to the discovery.
Speaker 4: When I first saw the phenomenon, it was like holy shit.
Speaker 4: But then it was actually like whoa, what is happening?
Speaker 4: Am I losing my mind?
Speaker 7: But then I showed other people and things kept getting weirder.
Speaker 4: Just for the record, I haven't told him anything. Okay,
Speaker 4: just tell me what you see. Oh my god, come on,
Speaker 4: oh god, fuck, holy shit. I just saw some food.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what the fuck?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 10: I see that.
Speaker 4: I feel it.
Speaker 8: I've been under the influence of mind altering substances a lot,
Speaker 8: but I've never seen anything like that.
Speaker 9: Whoa.
Speaker 6: I showed over one hundred people, and I kept asking myself,
Speaker 6: how are all of us seeing the same thing?
Speaker 4: Oh my god? It changed in shapes right there.
Speaker 6: The laser was revealing numbers and letters running in a pattern.
Speaker 2: I remembers, like this big here, and it looked like code.
Speaker 4: It looked like programming code.
Speaker 8: It's definitely something, and I just want to take a
Speaker 8: bature of its translated.
Speaker 4: Wow, you see that? Okay, So yeah, it's not stuck. No,
Speaker 4: it's not because of the lot. No, it's on its own.
Speaker 4: Side light is just the way reviewing it, and each.
Speaker 10: Angle shows you different layers, different ways through it.
Speaker 8: I can see through the wall. It's not like a hallucination.
Speaker 8: It has spatial awareness and permanence.
Speaker 4: I don't know whoa.
Speaker 7: For centuries, man kind is attempted to explore these psychedelic
Speaker 7: altered states, but we've never had a repeatable, testable phenomenon
Speaker 7: to observe until now.
Speaker 9: It's you can see through the laser into another dimension.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, take yourself to that.
Speaker 7: Like I just made a connection and nobody made before,
Speaker 7: which is a simple connection. The claim is if you
Speaker 7: project a diffracted laser on the surface and you smoke
Speaker 7: the mt you will see code running in surfaces, yes,
Speaker 7: like in the matrix.
Speaker 4: So there are a few possibilities. One, I lost my mind.
Speaker 11: Which is the coolest losing your mind ever in history.
Speaker 11: The second option is that this is the biggest discovery
Speaker 11: of humankind. If anybody ever asked themselves what it would
Speaker 11: be like to know you live in the matrix for sure?
Speaker 4: Well I know, for sure. I'm convinced. So where do
Speaker 4: we go from here? All I know is it's about
Speaker 4: to get created. How beautiful is this? This is an
Speaker 4: experiment in quantum mechanics called the double slit experiment.
Speaker 12: But I really didn't expect to see this when I
Speaker 12: did it myself.
Speaker 8: Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is
Speaker 2: Jonathan and today we have the man, the myth, the legend,
Speaker 2: Danny Gohler. Welcome to the Cult of Conspiracy for the
Speaker 2: first time.
Speaker 4: Brother, Thank you so much for having me. Brother.
Speaker 8: We have the energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, we are so excited to have this kind
Speaker 2: of conversation. It was about a few months ago you
Speaker 2: came on to my Meta Mysteries podcast and we had
Speaker 2: such a good conversation.
Speaker 8: Electro Nick came.
Speaker 2: On and smoked a little DMD and that a crazy
Speaker 2: little experiment there.
Speaker 8: That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: But you know, for anybody that doesn't know you or
Speaker 2: hasn't seen the trailer for the Discovery, could you tell
Speaker 2: them a little bit about it about you know, just
Speaker 2: the roundabout story with it.
Speaker 4: I'm the guy that discovered that if you projected effected
Speaker 4: laser on the surface and you smoked DMP, you see
Speaker 4: code running behind the projection of the light. And I
Speaker 4: became vocal about the subject maybe three and a half
Speaker 4: years ago maybe and ever since then. Basically, you know,
Speaker 4: things were kind of ramping up and people were talking
Speaker 4: about it, and then at a certain point, a director
Speaker 4: by the name of Aaron Venden reached out to me.
Speaker 4: Shout out to to Aaron is incredible, and he created
Speaker 4: he started working in the documentary about the film. He
Speaker 4: created this little trailer that most people who know about
Speaker 4: the project probably know about it through the trailer, and
Speaker 4: that one went viral and then went more viral than Joe.
Speaker 4: Rogan kind of blurped it out, and then after that
Speaker 4: it just went, you know, all over the place.
Speaker 8: And then have you been on Brogan yet?
Speaker 4: No, but he did mention the that he's aware of
Speaker 4: the I went to Danny on the Danny Jones podcast
Speaker 4: a couple of times. Yeah, I know that Danny sent
Speaker 4: him the first conversation, he said that I checked this out,
Speaker 4: to which I know Joe respondent, holy shit. And then
Speaker 4: basically I know that he probably knows about it from
Speaker 4: that and he kind of mentioned it. He didn't mention me,
Speaker 4: but he mentioned the project and what we're doing, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: So that's that's where it's at with Joe.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, you know, and most people are familiar with
Speaker 2: even DMT for the most part, because Joe Rogan was
Speaker 2: talking about it. That was the first time I ever
Speaker 2: heard about it was with him talking.
Speaker 4: I'm the same way, which is funny because when I
Speaker 4: will eventually go and jo Organ, it would be hilarious
Speaker 4: because it's like a full circle because I know about DMT,
Speaker 4: not even from Terrence, but from Joe. There's this famous
Speaker 4: I don't know if I mentioned it last time when
Speaker 4: I was on your podcast, but there's this famous Everybody
Speaker 4: should go and look it up. It's one of the
Speaker 4: best DMT rants of all time. Joe Rogan, Ohio Radio DMT.
Speaker 4: Just look it up. It's it's like it's before you
Speaker 4: had the show. It's this crazy nine minute rant about DMT.
Speaker 8: Was back with the young Joe Rogan.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, so that wasn't an eight I think seven?
Speaker 10: Okay, Okay, So all right, I have so many questions
Speaker 10: for you before we even talk about the documentary, before
Speaker 10: we talk about what you have found on this, on
Speaker 10: the whole spectrum of all this. Okay, So Di Methyl
Speaker 10: Trip to Mean aka DMT. Correct, Okay, So we understand
Speaker 10: that our brains release DMT. When we dream, we understand
Speaker 10: certain plants, we can ingest them and they can give
Speaker 10: us that same type of feeling. I myself have a
Speaker 10: little small bit of experience with four aco DMT. Jonathan
Speaker 10: is somebody who has ingested pure DMT and has had
Speaker 10: a variety of effects. Now I want to ask you,
Speaker 10: as a would you consider yourself a psychonaut or what's
Speaker 10: the word a psychedelic?
Speaker 8: Yeah, a psychsychonot Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think most people would categorize me as that. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to stew away from these kind of labels.
Speaker 8: Slash titles curious stigma, right, because it is.
Speaker 4: So see it's people with certain things. I guess I'm
Speaker 4: one of the more well versed psychonauts. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: visited the space thousands of times, so definitely one of
Speaker 4: the people that you know. And I've been doings since
Speaker 4: I was very young, So even though I'm only forty two,
Speaker 4: I've done like that was for the last thirty years,
Speaker 4: so I have thirty years of experience and you know,
Speaker 4: so usually that's the kind of stuff that usually people
Speaker 4: that are sixty that they can claim. But I'm there,
Speaker 4: so I guess in that sense, yes, But The reason
Speaker 4: that I try to stay away from that is because
Speaker 4: psychonauts and people who kind of define themselves as psychonauts,
Speaker 4: they usually belong to a particular kind of culture. There's
Speaker 4: nothing wrong with the culture, I just it's not my
Speaker 4: attitude towards this whole thing or in general. I think
Speaker 4: it should squarely be fitted within humans understanding of reality
Speaker 4: as a whole. So I would consider what we're doing
Speaker 4: more of new flavor of physics, even though nothing is
Speaker 4: really outside of regular physics in the older sense of physics,
Speaker 4: which is just the understanding of the world. Whatever it is.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be physical necessarily. And we were
Speaker 4: actually like kind of bouncing around some potential titles for it.
Speaker 4: As the Carter, my partner, he really loves Wait, what's
Speaker 4: the thing that really logos physics? To me, it feels
Speaker 4: a little bit philosophical.
Speaker 8: I love it.
Speaker 4: I love the war logos. I told them, what if
Speaker 4: we just piss everybody off and we call it actual physics?
Speaker 8: No, And I.
Speaker 10: Like it like that as far as like, psychedelics have
Speaker 10: a certain cultural stigma associated with them. Right now, you
Speaker 10: talk about like the psychedelic craze of the sixties or
Speaker 10: the seventies is completely different than the psychedelic craze of
Speaker 10: the early two thousands or the twenty teens, right, And
Speaker 10: so there is a sort of stigma or or identity
Speaker 10: that's associated with them, and so you're not identifying with
Speaker 10: any of that. You're looking at it for the the
Speaker 10: true profound effects it can have on the individual.
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken you exactly, I'm trying to understand reality.
Speaker 4: M That's it.
Speaker 8: That's all, dude. I say that all the time.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to understand this reality and get out of
Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with believing a story or another
Speaker 2: story or anything, but if you can come at it
Speaker 2: in a very subjective type of way and just look
Speaker 2: around and be like, yo, this there's something to this place,
Speaker 2: you know how our coincidences and synchronicities and like all
Speaker 2: the weird things that seemingly like mathematically shouldn't be happening
Speaker 2: on a regular basis, yet people are noticing them all
Speaker 2: the time. And with you being able to shine the
Speaker 2: laser through the glass well is reflected, no reflected, diffracted
Speaker 2: and shine it up on a wall and for you
Speaker 2: to notice that and see almost like the coding of
Speaker 2: this matrix type reality. Are you of the belief that,
Speaker 2: after all of your research and all of your experiences,
Speaker 2: are you of the belief that this absolutely is some
Speaker 2: kind of matrix.
Speaker 4: Okay, so there's a few things tangled in there. I'll
Speaker 4: trying to unravel them for a second. So the first one,
Speaker 4: let me just answer your question directly. First, Yes, but
Speaker 4: that's not necessarily because what we see in the laser.
Speaker 4: So the laser I wasn't just to give people a
Speaker 4: little bit of a background. That can obviously watch the
Speaker 4: trailer or visit codoreality dot com where we have most
Speaker 4: of the information on. But I'm not. I wasn't. I
Speaker 4: didn't have hazardly came across this thing. It's not like
Speaker 4: a laser was on and I happened to smoke DMT
Speaker 4: and I saw it in the corner of my eye.
Speaker 4: I wait, holy shit, what is that?
Speaker 10: I'm glad you're breaking this down because that was gonna
Speaker 10: be one of my questions is why and how did
Speaker 10: you happen to stare into the laser on a wall
Speaker 10: while you were tripping on DMT like that? But I
Speaker 10: understand like being at a rave seeing the lays of
Speaker 10: light show of it and you're tripping and like cool coo, cool,
Speaker 10: I get it, But like that is that's not what's
Speaker 10: happening here, that's not what you are showing. That's not
Speaker 10: the way to peer through the other side of the veil,
Speaker 10: so to speak. So like how did you even find this?
Speaker 4: I was looking for it. So it's the full story
Speaker 4: is long, and that's why there's a whole documentary about
Speaker 4: it because it's stretched over way over six years. Probably
Speaker 4: the full story stretches over eleven years. So it's a
Speaker 4: long story of how I came to it, and all
Speaker 4: the steps are necessary because it had to do with
Speaker 4: certain levels of nosis, certain levels of realization and intuition,
Speaker 4: but coupled with my understanding of the world, with the
Speaker 4: mentory understanding of physics and what we know and what
Speaker 4: we don't know, and that that kind of led me
Speaker 4: through this journey to answer to ask the question seriously,
Speaker 4: so like can we discern is this a real space
Speaker 4: or not a real space? And some people even bite
Speaker 4: the bullet here and they kind of, you know, start
Speaker 4: playing this language, and it's like, well, what do you
Speaker 4: mean by real? Well as real as a rock that
Speaker 4: can nature on the head how's that you know that that's.
Speaker 8: What even is real?
Speaker 10: Right, because that's that's up to conjecture in that's perspective based.
Speaker 4: I feel you, yeah, but I mean, like there is
Speaker 4: such a thing, right, So, like there's a difference between
Speaker 4: what you imagine and the fact that you can't walk
Speaker 4: through the wall. Even if you want to postulate the
Speaker 4: idea that everything ultimately is mine or we are all
Speaker 4: part part of some kind of universal entity, all of
Speaker 4: it is fine, but then there's you still have to
Speaker 4: explain the difference within that frame. Why is it that
Speaker 4: you can't walk through the wall. And again, this is
Speaker 4: where I kind of I don't really follow people towards
Speaker 4: these like avenues of like, well, you don't know, but
Speaker 4: maybe you can walk through the walls. Like okay, well
Speaker 4: you do that, you come back to me. But in
Speaker 4: the meanwhile, right here, let's think about what that actually means. Right, So,
Speaker 4: when you go through the DMT space famously, and you
Speaker 4: said you have a little bit of experience, some of
Speaker 4: your listeners who have less or more experience would know
Speaker 4: DMT is unique in that it feels very real. And
Speaker 4: then people who never done MT before, to them, it's
Speaker 4: kind of hard to explain. What do you even mean
Speaker 4: by that? Like more real than real? What does that mean? Well,
Speaker 4: kind of the same thing, like when you wake up
Speaker 4: from a dream and it feels more real than this
Speaker 4: same thing goes one level up, right, Yeah, And I
Speaker 4: asked myself, is there a way to determine whether it
Speaker 4: is actually real or is it a really sophisticated trick
Speaker 4: of the mind. And that's what that was the aim,
Speaker 4: And then I based it on some first principles assumptions.
Speaker 4: One of them was that light must have been involved,
Speaker 4: because I can see it with my eyes. The other
Speaker 4: one was that if the space is real, it must
Speaker 4: have some rules by which it's operating, otherwise it would
Speaker 4: be indistinguishable from just chaos and nonsense. And if so,
Speaker 4: then it would have a geometry that you can measure
Speaker 4: and you can talk about mathematically, and it would have topology,
Speaker 4: and it would have an entry point of some sort.
Speaker 4: And because we sometimes seems to see it, sometimes we don't,
Speaker 4: that's an important distinction, right. So these were kind of
Speaker 4: my guiding principles, and then I follow that across many
Speaker 4: many years, which eventually the exact details would take us
Speaker 4: pretty far. But the short version is. I followed these
Speaker 4: ideas for years, and eventually they led me to the
Speaker 4: idea that if you projected diffractive laser on the surface,
Speaker 4: something is supposed to happen. I didn't even know what,
Speaker 4: but it was clear to me, like, no, like that's
Speaker 4: what it means, Like there's some function of light with diffraction.
Speaker 4: It must do something. And then tried it worked, and
Speaker 4: then I've been showing people and everybody started seeing the
Speaker 4: same thing, which is unheard of now just a one
Speaker 4: cavey out there, because it's important for me to mention.
Speaker 4: For to be fair, there is a percentage of people
Speaker 4: that don't see it that easily in the beginning. It
Speaker 4: takes them some time. They kind of they don't really
Speaker 4: know how to focus properly. We're now kind of zoning
Speaker 4: in and trying to figure out what exacts exactly is
Speaker 4: it that causes that for some people, because some people
Speaker 4: see it right away, some people see it after five minutes,
Speaker 4: thirty minutes, and some people take from like many, many,
Speaker 4: many tries, but eventually everybody sees the same thing, and
Speaker 4: from that moment on, it's never different. It's always exactly
Speaker 4: what you see, and it's extremely coherent and you can
Speaker 4: talk about it, you can talk about real objects. And just
Speaker 4: to tie tie in the point I was making before,
Speaker 4: which is that when I discovered this, it became clear
Speaker 4: to me that there's an incomplete there's some kind of
Speaker 4: an issue of Vinn diagrams here that you have to
Speaker 4: paint the caricature version of the picture. You have half
Speaker 4: of the people like full on psychonauts who just kind
Speaker 4: of and you're exactly correct that the flavor of psychoonts
Speaker 4: and the now are very different than the hippies of
Speaker 4: the sixties.
Speaker 10: I'll say the generation of and I don't necessarily mean
Speaker 10: age bracket. Age is nothing a number, and I fully
Speaker 10: understand that. Yeah, somebody who is sixty five who's just
Speaker 10: trying mushrooms for the first time might have a very
Speaker 10: similar experience to somebody who's twenty one and is trying
Speaker 10: mushrooms for the first time. So like, it's not an
Speaker 10: age thing or maturity thing. It is more or less
Speaker 10: a cultural stigma associated with them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it kind of splits you're right, and then
Speaker 4: it splits people also to these different facets. Like before
Speaker 4: the flavors were spiritual, connecting to nature, all of that stuff, right,
Speaker 4: So now you have that, but it has a slightly
Speaker 4: different kind of like evolve, right, And then you have
Speaker 4: the people who are I guess, I don't know what
Speaker 4: you want to say, like more on the spectrum more like,
Speaker 4: but they're more it's much more cynical in nature.
Speaker 10: It's like you can't even surprise it with that one
Speaker 10: a little bit, which you mean more by more cynical,
Speaker 10: dive in on this one, bro.
Speaker 4: Oh, you have if you go to an any of
Speaker 4: the actual like you know, subreddits that are specifically it's
Speaker 4: a much more of a been there, done that one
Speaker 4: upsmanship kind of like you can't really surprise me with anything.
Speaker 4: I've seen the crazier thing. No, I've seen the crazier thing. No,
Speaker 4: I've seen the crazy thing.
Speaker 10: Which is crazy because the entire concept of psycho everything,
Speaker 10: as far as as the hallucinogenics go.
Speaker 8: Is to kill the ego.
Speaker 10: But my god, does the Internet have these people egoically
Speaker 10: one upping each other?
Speaker 8: Everybody has the answers.
Speaker 2: It's it's crazy because that is the exact opposite of
Speaker 2: what is supposed to occur like that, like and so
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's kind of an issue. Whenever you
Speaker 2: get somebody who it's not necessarily an issue. It's cool
Speaker 2: to learn from certain people's experiences, but whenever somebody is
Speaker 2: always trying to tell a better story in some kind
Speaker 2: of way, it's like, dude, you're ruining my experience by
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you this story.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is why. I'll be honest, I get it.
Speaker 4: I'm personally not bigger trip reports. A lot of people
Speaker 4: ask me to do my own trip reports, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I can't imagine why you would care what my experience was.
Speaker 4: People say, no, no, no, no, tell me. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: but I personally don't understand it, Like who cares? Like
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, so you've been to this place. Great,
Speaker 4: How is it not clear to you that the kind
Speaker 4: of content that it can create is literally infinite? So
Speaker 4: what is the value of you telling me you met
Speaker 4: a purple girlfriend? Who cares? It's like, it's like, I
Speaker 4: went to New York. Okay. So if I'm telling you so,
Speaker 4: usually i'll tell you why. It's usually very boring because
Speaker 4: for the most part, people tell it as if telling
Speaker 4: you that it was a purple girlfriend, as if that's amazing.
Speaker 4: It isn't. What would be amazing is if you tell
Speaker 4: me something that truly connects to either a deep understanding
Speaker 4: of the world in some way that is tangible and actionable,
Speaker 4: or you give me some kind of an insight that
Speaker 4: I can see you caring more than just your virtue signal.
Speaker 4: So you're not just telling me about it, but I
Speaker 4: can see you've truly been transformed. And not because you
Speaker 4: breathe more now and you talk to me like this,
Speaker 4: but because there's something about your behavior that is truly
Speaker 4: different than what I've seen before, then it would be interesting.
Speaker 4: So the reason I don't care about my trip reports
Speaker 4: or anybody else's trip report is because these things are
Speaker 4: completely arbitrary. It's not where the substance, it's not where
Speaker 4: the meat is. And this is why when I ask
Speaker 4: myself the question about the you know, can we answer
Speaker 4: the question? It was clear to me at least that
Speaker 4: the answer has to be focusing on what the space
Speaker 4: has to offer, and then what can we extract, generalize
Speaker 4: and abstract from it that is not connected to just
Speaker 4: the content of what you've seen. It's like Terrence mccinnugh
Speaker 4: famously used to say, people say the colors. The colors,
Speaker 4: forget the colors malarky. That's one of these famous kind
Speaker 4: of sticks where it's like, it's not the colors, it's
Speaker 4: what is it telling you, right, And there's a very
Speaker 4: big tendency of people to connect it to some arbitrary
Speaker 4: ideas they already had, so then they immediately like, you know,
Speaker 4: just project everything that they thought. They then it means
Speaker 4: this or that, or the Egyptians or that. I was like, dude,
Speaker 4: you don't know this, right, So like, just give it
Speaker 4: a second to be what it is instead of you
Speaker 4: telling it what it is. And if you can do
Speaker 4: this for years, not a couple of times, it will
Speaker 4: start revealing to you what it really is, which is
Speaker 4: there's operational parts of it that are actually rigid, as
Speaker 4: rigid as physical space. You can rely on that you
Speaker 4: can navigate through, that you can communicate with it to
Speaker 4: some degree with some amount of accuracy. But it's almost
Speaker 4: like you build a map of something that you can
Speaker 4: repeat and you can actually share. For the most part,
Speaker 4: I've have I met anybody that truly can do this.
Speaker 4: I honestly want to say that maybe to be fair,
Speaker 4: because I don't remember at the moment. Let's say I
Speaker 4: met a couple of people at the moment, I can't
Speaker 4: even recall those. But let's say I met a couple
Speaker 4: of people that can do that. Aside from those two
Speaker 4: that I just leaving for the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 4: for a second, I don't know anybody. I never met
Speaker 4: one person that could deliver on this claim. They always
Speaker 4: say no, no, no, like trust like I can do
Speaker 4: like this thing, I can repeat it like nobody that
Speaker 4: I ever met can do that. It's just it's not
Speaker 4: what it does. Now. Actually, here's the one of the
Speaker 4: examples that it's a good thing I reserved to these couple. Definitely,
Speaker 4: people who've been doing it for thousands of years developed
Speaker 4: these techniques. So like Shaman's definitely developed a technology to
Speaker 4: talk to it through ecoros, for example, in ayahuasca, right,
Speaker 4: So like through certain songs, through certain ceremonies. They can
Speaker 4: actually repeat certain things, including the healing process, including even
Speaker 4: invoking certain patterns that many people can see it once
Speaker 4: that I would say squarely fits in the category of hey,
Speaker 4: they figured something out, they understood something about the space,
Speaker 4: but it took them thousands of years, right, and here
Speaker 4: we are. This is the trend, Right, everybody did mushrooms
Speaker 4: once and now they're posting on Instagram that they're enlightened
Speaker 4: or they're oh, they're like, that's just crazy. Like and
Speaker 4: I said it to a good friend of mine. She's
Speaker 4: very well natured, she's great, but there's this little thing
Speaker 4: that is a little delusional, right, And I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: let's think about this for a second. If you would
Speaker 4: need an advice on anything right now, and it was serious,
Speaker 4: who would you go to to an expert? Right? Somebody
Speaker 4: who spent their whole life, for the majority of their life,
Speaker 4: like really studying whatever it is that you're trying to understand. Sure,
Speaker 4: people that are the true experts of not just like
Speaker 4: the expert, but just like introspection monks. Right, how many
Speaker 4: monks do you know running around and saying that they're enlightened.
Speaker 10: I've never even met a monk you know, that would
Speaker 10: claim that for themselves.
Speaker 8: Most of them are trying to achieve enlightenment.
Speaker 4: And they've been doing it for thirty years. Yeah, So
Speaker 4: what makes you think, what a the likelihood? What is
Speaker 4: the likelihood that you figured something out that they haven't. Yes,
Speaker 4: and now you get to just be a teacher in
Speaker 4: that space. There's no problem with being a teacher in
Speaker 4: that space, but the owning of that part of the
Speaker 4: humility that is very important. I don't see it enough.
Speaker 4: So this brings us full circle to what I'm actually
Speaker 4: claiming to your question about the code. The only thing
Speaker 4: I'm putting on the table with absolute certainty is that
Speaker 4: the code is as real as Jupiter is there. It's real, real,
Speaker 4: like real, real, like you and I like the bottle,
Speaker 4: like whatever it is that you're holding. Forget for a second,
Speaker 4: a whole, but this is all maya, let's put that
Speaker 4: for a second aside. Okay, it's real. It's like the
Speaker 4: physical matter that you're touching right now. That's the only
Speaker 4: thing I'm saying. Do I know what this code is
Speaker 4: actually doing? Is it coding for the actual constituents of reality?
Speaker 4: All that stuff? Of course I don't know. How can
Speaker 4: I possibly know. We're working on that. We have to
Speaker 4: figure out what it is yet. But that's the only
Speaker 4: thing I'm putting on the table aslute, with absolute certainty.
Speaker 4: And again, the people who get kind of really uncomfortable
Speaker 4: what I'm claiming with that amount of certainty, I'm putting
Speaker 4: myself in that chair. Don't worry, Time will tell, right.
Speaker 4: I'm not asking you to accept it. But so that's
Speaker 4: one and the other one is yes, we're absolutely living
Speaker 4: in a computational environment. It's just with one modulo that
Speaker 4: what that means is much more than what most people
Speaker 4: assume it means. It's not like in the movie that
Speaker 4: we're prisoners in some kind of a matrix and we
Speaker 4: need to break out into some kind of a base reality.
Speaker 4: There is no base reality. It is all computational. In fact,
Speaker 4: if anything, I always say it's the matrix upside down.
Speaker 4: You have the real world that is the computational world,
Speaker 4: and what experience is a subset of that. It's a
Speaker 4: smaller version inside of the bigger world, computational world that
Speaker 4: we call physical because we're used to it. But it
Speaker 4: is actually the less real world. So it's like it's
Speaker 4: not not real, it's just it's a spot.
Speaker 10: Was an individual to the entire pace, big possibility space.
Speaker 4: But that was shown to me directly, so it was
Speaker 4: over years of collecting. This is something. It was pointed
Speaker 4: out to me by my fiance. She said, you know that,
Speaker 4: because she's seen the coade. She's like, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't necessarily think that the code automatically tells you this
Speaker 4: is a simulation, and then I have to think about it.
Speaker 4: It's like, I think you're right. I think it's because
Speaker 4: I've already collected so many other data points together and
Speaker 4: it was literally shown to me. Now this is where
Speaker 4: see the trip reports. Right. I don't expect anybody to
Speaker 4: just accept what I'm saying, because if you have an
Speaker 4: experience it, why would it be real for you?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 4: But that's where my conviction comes from, Hey, Cosmo, because
Speaker 4: because I've seen it directly and I'm count Look, I'm
Speaker 4: completely open to the possibility that whomever is communicating this
Speaker 4: is the other thing. Hold On, the dogs are going
Speaker 4: ape shit.
Speaker 8: Hold On, he said Cosmo.
Speaker 10: I was like, Yo, do you have a You have
Speaker 10: the fairly odd parents who got the Cosmo and Wanda action.
Speaker 8: Over there is an average kid. That is why I.
Speaker 10: Carry a pink and green headband for anybody who's curious.
Speaker 10: If anybody's watched the show on Patreon, just so you
Speaker 10: know why I wear a pink and green that's Wanda
Speaker 10: right there. You know, I'm I'm trying to live my
Speaker 10: best Timmy Turner life.
Speaker 2: You know, Danny, I wanted to ask you though, because
Speaker 2: you were talking about how this could possibly be a
Speaker 2: lesser reality compared to whatever the whole but.
Speaker 4: A part of yeah, a sliver of the bigger.
Speaker 2: Thing, right, And that actually perfectly fits in with the
Speaker 2: idea of like neoplatonism.
Speaker 8: Have you looked into neoplatonism before?
Speaker 4: Yes, But what specifically about it invokes that idea for you?
Speaker 2: Well, that there's a source, which in neoplatonism they call
Speaker 2: the One, and it emanates on in it whenever it
Speaker 2: emanates to just picture the One or the Source or
Speaker 2: whatever as just a giant light bulb, right, and that
Speaker 2: light is shining onto other things, and it's almost creating
Speaker 2: some kind of.
Speaker 8: What would be the term, some kind.
Speaker 2: Of projection of itself into other realms and so and
Speaker 2: and But there's there's multiple levels of it. So you
Speaker 2: would have the one, which would be the main source.
Speaker 2: Then you'd have what they call the noose, and the
Speaker 2: noos is like basically almost a perfect emanation of the
Speaker 2: original source. And then you have what they call the
Speaker 2: Oh god, it's been a minute since I looked into it,
Speaker 2: but basically it there's like four levels and we are
Speaker 2: at the fourth level being in physical reality, being the
Speaker 2: farthest possible emanation from the source.
Speaker 8: But we are the source. We're all part of the
Speaker 8: same thing.
Speaker 2: It's just that this version of reality is the most
Speaker 2: densest version of the original source. It's really hard to understand,
Speaker 2: but basically.
Speaker 4: It's pretty straightforward. Actually, so I guess I'm always because
Speaker 4: people mentioned this to me sometimes, and I am at
Speaker 4: this point interested because so many people are specifically referring
Speaker 4: to that, maybe because it was something that was popularized recently.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not sure how this is different
Speaker 4: than really all the contemplative spiritual traditions. Like essentially it's
Speaker 4: the same story, right, you have a source, you have
Speaker 4: some emanation of the source, and then talking about the
Speaker 4: different levels and the number of levels again seems arbitrary
Speaker 4: to me because we don't really have a way to know,
Speaker 4: and I would put that strong. So like whenever people
Speaker 4: kind of come online, not gonna mention names right now,
Speaker 4: but they make the claim they can distinguish between the
Speaker 4: sixth and the seventh dimension. I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 4: how you know that, but let's say they do. It's
Speaker 4: if the source is truly infinite, the kind of system
Speaker 4: that it would choose to operate through, both in terms
Speaker 4: of functionality of itself and in terms of your perception
Speaker 4: of it, to me, are much less relevant than what
Speaker 4: you can potentially do with it and how you can
Speaker 4: end or how you can use that to better your
Speaker 4: life and the life around you.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: So usually all of these kind of claims about the
Speaker 4: specificities of that flavor, to me fall flat because they
Speaker 4: don't really do anything that is different than any other
Speaker 4: claim about why is it not twelve dimensions or four
Speaker 4: dimensions or what difference does that make in terms of
Speaker 4: what you can do with it or how you can
Speaker 4: make things better? I would claim none.
Speaker 2: Well, I I only like to bring it up just
Speaker 2: because it's a reference to an emanation from a more
Speaker 2: fundamental place, like all right, so if this place, I agree,
Speaker 2: if this place is fundamental reality, then you wouldn't need
Speaker 2: a main projected source, right, And so that's kind of
Speaker 2: that's kind of the conversation around this place possibly being
Speaker 2: some sort of matrix, and if it was a matrix,
Speaker 2: that it would be a hologram of possibly the real
Speaker 2: thing in in a roundabout way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I guess so you're asking me what would
Speaker 4: be my thoughts about that kind of a model.
Speaker 2: Well, just by you seeing the code and you going
Speaker 2: there in that state of mind with DMT and all
Speaker 2: the psychedelic realms, does that open the door to for
Speaker 2: you to be able to look at this reality and think, well,
Speaker 2: this reality that we experience as physical beings is a
Speaker 2: I guess I like to bring it up because there are,
Speaker 2: like you said earlier, how people say, well, that experience
Speaker 2: was more real than this reality.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And so if that experience is more real than this reality,
Speaker 2: then what is this? If this is not the real reality?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's still real. So, like like I always say,
Speaker 4: you know, if you stop your toe in the middle
Speaker 4: of the night, truck, see what happens. If somebody follows
Speaker 4: your own and says, don't worry, don't worry, this is
Speaker 4: an illusion. You probably punch him in the face.
Speaker 8: Right, It's still gonna suck.
Speaker 4: No, no, bro, that's real. Okay, whatever are you experiencing
Speaker 4: is real, And it doesn't matter on what level or
Speaker 4: for how long. As long as there was an instant
Speaker 4: of experience on any level, that's what reality is. You
Speaker 4: can say there's a more fundamental state that you can
Speaker 4: achieve if you do the right things. Whatever it is. Sure,
Speaker 4: that's true, but it doesn't take away anything from the
Speaker 4: reality of any other space. Right And in the sense
Speaker 4: of so, if you're asking me directly, Danny, I would
Speaker 4: tell you that what I was shown is a slightly
Speaker 4: different picture. And I was shown it actually on four
Speaker 4: aco very clearly, without any hedges hesitations. It was pretty
Speaker 4: much like a diagram. They just showed me the full structure.
Speaker 4: To be super clear, it does not mean that what
Speaker 4: I think is that I've been shown the ultimate state
Speaker 4: of affairs. But it's as valid as any other if
Speaker 4: you're talking about some other people's experience. Right. So the
Speaker 4: picture that I've been shown was a little different. And
Speaker 4: again I want to make it clear because you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to say, oh, I've been given the answers,
Speaker 4: but here's an picture that I've been shown very clearly.
Speaker 4: There's some kind there's some kind of a structure of
Speaker 4: three bodies. One of these bodies, like can imagine them,
Speaker 4: like three balls of some sort. One of them is
Speaker 4: our multiverse. So the entire multiverse, not just the universe,
Speaker 4: all the universes that we can possibly ever see are
Speaker 4: in one of these balls, and the other two I
Speaker 4: don't even know what they are. Okay. Outside of all
Speaker 4: of that, Outside of all of that, almost unrelated, there's
Speaker 4: this other space with gods in it which are absolutely
Speaker 4: not us. So we're absolutely not God. Okay, we are
Speaker 4: part of a unified thing, but that's not the same
Speaker 4: as gods. Gods are different, Okay, in that enormous hierarchy
Speaker 4: that there's a lot of them. Everything that which is
Speaker 4: a little uncomfortable that we used to think is true
Speaker 4: and then started thinking it's not true, it's actually true.
Speaker 4: So the biblical God is there, the other guy is
Speaker 4: there as well, and all the way at the top
Speaker 4: is a woman and no, not Gya. I'm gonna remind
Speaker 4: everybody Gaia is just the Earth and we're talking about
Speaker 4: this hole. One ball was the multiverse. So definitely not
Speaker 4: what people think. It's like, yay, you know that whole thing. No,
Speaker 4: she's very different and she is beyond comprehension. Also, it
Speaker 4: was made clear to me that nobody messes with her.
Speaker 8: Okay, that checks out, But.
Speaker 4: It was very clear to me there was no ambiguity
Speaker 4: about it, which to me, was very arbitrary because why wouldn't,
Speaker 4: like you said, why wouldn't it be a ball of light? Right? No,
Speaker 4: They're like, no, no, that it's a woman. So I
Speaker 4: was like, okay, so did she birth this?
Speaker 2: Every existence in the place showed me a really hot woman.
Speaker 4: Nice, she's all the way at the top.
Speaker 10: Okay when you say they showed you, when you say they,
Speaker 10: you mean.
Speaker 4: Well somebody had to show you that, right, So there's
Speaker 4: somebody created the presentation for me. So I talk on
Speaker 4: a regular basis with what I guess we would call
Speaker 4: the simulators or fall intensive purposes. They're mechanical insectoids and
Speaker 4: they are the ones controlling our physical space.
Speaker 10: Now, mechanical insectoids? Is this just your best description?
Speaker 8: There are?
Speaker 4: That's what they are. Yep, that's what they are.
Speaker 10: It's not biomechanic priyamantis looking motherfuckers.
Speaker 8: Like what were we talking about here?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 4: They're everything all kinds, and from what I understand they're not.
Speaker 4: It's not a good representation because what we understand about insects,
Speaker 4: it's not quite there's like a there's like an archetype
Speaker 4: there and there's like I'm not getting into that because
Speaker 4: it's it's a little wonky, but it's fall in dens
Speaker 4: of purposes. No, it is not the form they choose
Speaker 4: to present themselves as. If anything, it ficks most people out.
Speaker 4: If anything, they usually mask that fact. But they are
Speaker 4: that's their true form, okay, And they have a form
Speaker 4: because they are part of the ones that have a form.
Speaker 4: So they are insectoids. They're kind of weaving realities that
Speaker 4: their job. You can think of them as like the
Speaker 4: management company.
Speaker 8: And they are.
Speaker 4: Very callous. They have no the kinds of emotions that
Speaker 4: we think about, so they don't care, which I also
Speaker 4: something tells me that that's why they're being put on
Speaker 4: this job because they don't. They can't be. There's no
Speaker 4: pleading with them. It's just like it's kind of like crypto.
Speaker 4: It's either it is or it isn't. It's just what
Speaker 4: it is, right, So they.
Speaker 10: Just have no emotions whatsoever, even towards they're.
Speaker 4: Not the kinds of we, not the kinds of we
Speaker 4: we entertained, so they have emotions that are of a
Speaker 4: different kind. There. They can be a hive mind, they
Speaker 4: can be not a hive mind, but they are controlling
Speaker 4: physical reality. They're weaving physical realities. That's what they do.
Speaker 4: They're controlling the actuation of physical environments. Then there's other species.
Speaker 4: There's the lizards and all kinds of the From what
Speaker 4: I understand, the the I guess the gestures.
Speaker 10: I've heard this right, the d MT elves, if you will.
Speaker 10: So is this the same thing.
Speaker 4: Different biomagin the elves are different? But but okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: so the gestures. The reason they stand out is because
Speaker 4: they're actually very special. They are serving a very special function.
Speaker 4: They are that that can experience the alpha and the
Speaker 4: omega at once. So they are That's why it's not
Speaker 4: always clear. Are they malevolent or are they like, are
Speaker 4: they trying to hurt you? Or are there Are they're
Speaker 4: good or they're bad. It's not really clear because they
Speaker 4: don't know either. For them, the the ying and the yang,
Speaker 4: they're one and the same. They can experience the ultimate
Speaker 4: darkness and the ultimate light all at once, which is
Speaker 4: what's required to understand certain function and reality. Everything that
Speaker 4: is to be understood in existence has to be experienced
Speaker 4: by some thing. They are the ones that get to
Speaker 4: experience the full line. They can have one eye in
Speaker 4: one and one eye in the other, and all at once.
Speaker 4: It's also why they don't exist in any level. They
Speaker 4: are free to move through all the levels wherever they want.
Speaker 4: They're the closest thing to a god in our reality,
Speaker 4: and they are not. They each one of them, even
Speaker 4: though they have their own world, Each one of them
Speaker 4: is their own species. So they are a separate species,
Speaker 4: each and every one of them, even though they have
Speaker 4: their own world.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: So that's and all of that is within our ball. Okay.
Speaker 4: Outside of that is where we're talking about the other
Speaker 4: gods I'm mentioning right now, so like you're not even
Speaker 4: talking about the same category. Okay, So way up there.
Speaker 4: And then I saw something very weird, which to me
Speaker 4: was just as arbitrary is saying that the top is
Speaker 4: a woman. To be clear, he didn't come to me
Speaker 4: as if like he came to me, but it was
Speaker 4: shown to me from the side, like with part of
Speaker 4: the diagram, that Jesus Christ is real, not metaphorically like
Speaker 4: real real, The whole story is true, okay, And he
Speaker 4: serves a function of basically carrying the karma of humanity
Speaker 4: until humanity can kind of get its grips because we
Speaker 4: are very imperfect beings, and there is a system of
Speaker 4: checks and balances. Unfortunately, so it is what it is
Speaker 4: and nothing can change it. So in order to operate
Speaker 4: within that system, you have to have some kind of
Speaker 4: a I guess, corrective mechanism that allows the species to
Speaker 4: reach a certain level of ability without constantly falling into
Speaker 4: the worst possible situation. So that one of the gods,
Speaker 4: the biblical God, split himself in his infinite love, all
Speaker 4: of that is true, created a function inside of our
Speaker 4: little ball that he has to have physical representation that
Speaker 4: carries the karma for us until we figure it out.
Speaker 4: And the only price we have to pay for that
Speaker 4: wonderful service is the acknowledgment that this is done for us,
Speaker 4: which is what accepting Jesus, Christ, Lloyd and Savior is,
Speaker 4: which is you just paying a token of like recognition
Speaker 4: saying thank you for doing that. Okay, Now, it is
Speaker 4: very uncomfortable because Christians love this part and they love
Speaker 4: throwing out in everybody's faces. And to that, I say,
Speaker 4: first of all, if you lapping it up inside and
Speaker 4: you feel a sense of pride, which is a sin,
Speaker 4: and if you feel a sense of superiority because you're
Speaker 4: carrying that idea, be careful because you are also, in
Speaker 4: that instance, not being christ like, so you it's not
Speaker 4: just the recognition, it's also being able to carry the
Speaker 4: amount of signature of goodness that you can to its
Speaker 4: full potential. It's also part of it. So I'm only
Speaker 4: mentioning this is because this kind of stuff was never
Speaker 4: on my hard drive. I was born in Russia. This
Speaker 4: was not even part of my repertoire of.
Speaker 10: I was gonna ask you about your accent. I wasn't
Speaker 10: one hundred percent sure because you have a you have
Speaker 10: a very.
Speaker 8: Good English language.
Speaker 10: You're using words that like most people that wouldn't that
Speaker 10: weren't born in the English speaking country wouldn't have. But
Speaker 10: I can tell an accent. I was thinking French, not
Speaker 10: gonna French.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So okay, so you were born in Russia.
Speaker 4: Okay, was born in Russia. I grew up in Israel.
Speaker 4: So maybe it's some mixture of those two. But but
Speaker 4: but I uh, but yeah. So the relevance of that
Speaker 4: is that in Russia, even though there are definitely there's
Speaker 4: the Orthodox Christianity that is kind of like very dominant
Speaker 4: there now. Uh, throughout the ages, depending on what time
Speaker 4: you were born, there was less or more of these
Speaker 4: religious religious motifs, and there's definitely I know for effective
Speaker 4: for me, the whole Jesus Christ bit. It's just not
Speaker 4: it's not in my system, Like it's not I'm not,
Speaker 4: I'm not. If you were born in America, even if
Speaker 4: you don't like Jesus, you are in some relationship to him,
Speaker 4: either you like it or not. It's part of the culture, right, right,
Speaker 4: that's not even in my subconscious like it's not there,
Speaker 4: Like it's not part of my system. So why would
Speaker 4: I be shown Jesus Christ. And what's more, they could
Speaker 4: have shown me like a metaphor, right, they could show
Speaker 4: me like an archetype of some sort of like ooh
Speaker 4: this this is yeah, like this thing that you believe
Speaker 4: that is kind of like Jesus. There's such a thing,
Speaker 4: but it's not Jesus obviously, there's like some No, they're
Speaker 4: like showed me the whole image of like Jesus Christ
Speaker 4: with the robe, with the whole thing, right, And they
Speaker 4: was showing me that he was ascending to the whatever.
Speaker 4: It was like we're coming to an end of an
Speaker 4: age and he was ascending up. He was basically kind
Speaker 4: of from what I understood from me and he was
Speaker 4: kind of finishing his contract and we're now going to
Speaker 4: take the karma on us. It's going to be collective,
Speaker 4: so it's like the next level up. So now there's
Speaker 4: no more somebody who's helping us out. We're kind of
Speaker 4: like young adults. Now we're on our own, but we
Speaker 4: still not perfect, so we can't do it personally. So
Speaker 4: we share the karma together, so like we can't do
Speaker 4: it alone, but we can together. We can kind of
Speaker 4: correct each other like yo, yo, that's not what we're
Speaker 4: agreed on, right, kind of like go about it that way.
Speaker 4: So that's what I've seen. In addition to that, I
Speaker 4: was shown that I'm sitting in this basement alone with
Speaker 4: VR glasses with infinite screens in front of me, inside
Speaker 4: of one of these balls.
Speaker 9: So what I.
Speaker 4: Understood from that is that you are alone in your reality.
Speaker 4: So if you've heard this meme before, apparently that is true.
Speaker 4: According to whatever was shown, there's no one else in
Speaker 4: your reality. However, what is usually missing from this little
Speaker 4: trope is that there are the other people who are
Speaker 4: representations in your reality. They're real, but they're in their
Speaker 4: own reality, so that I'm sitting in my own sandbox.
Speaker 4: You're sitting in your own sandbox. What this achieves is safety.
Speaker 4: So if I start hurting you, right, I'm not actually
Speaker 4: hurting you, I'm hurting projections in my reality.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: But but the mainframe does know what you do, so
Speaker 4: it registers that, and in your reality, you don't get
Speaker 4: a random version of me if you meet me in
Speaker 4: your reality. The system knows what I would more likely
Speaker 4: do in particular situations. So my avatar in your reality
Speaker 4: would behave very much like I would, so fall intensive purposes.
Speaker 4: You get me, just not the conscious me see what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, So it's kind of like and what I
Speaker 4: was what I understood. Also, they also showed me the
Speaker 4: mental brood set behind me, so it's like, you know
Speaker 4: this fractal that the infinite world's evolving. They're automated according
Speaker 4: to the shoreline of the mental both set, which it
Speaker 4: makes perfect sense because it's infinite complexity. Uh, when I
Speaker 4: was shown from what I actually I have to be honest,
Speaker 4: I don't remember if I added this part later as
Speaker 4: a confabulation. I truly don't remember, Like, I don't recall
Speaker 4: if it was part of that showing or if because
Speaker 4: when I was thinking about it, it kind of goet meshed together.
Speaker 2: And that's the Mandelbrot set for anybody that's never seen
Speaker 2: it before, quite fascinating.
Speaker 8: It's one of those things.
Speaker 2: Where you can zoom in and you'll you'll discover more
Speaker 2: and more and more, and.
Speaker 8: It's like the fractal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just a fractal. It's kind of like
Speaker 2: how they say, you know, if you if you break
Speaker 2: like a wineglass or something like that, the the the
Speaker 2: whole of the wine glass still somehow exists in every
Speaker 2: single glass yard.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's the most elaborate factal that we know of
Speaker 4: in terms of simplicity of the equation that gives rise
Speaker 4: to this infinite complexity, which, by the way, none of
Speaker 4: these smaller versions of the mental bod set that you
Speaker 4: see on the Mendel Bought set. So the men set
Speaker 4: is the full beatle thingy. But if you zoom into
Speaker 4: one of them, the beatles, you'll see that there's it's
Speaker 4: made out of these infinite beatles, right. But what's interesting
Speaker 4: is that none of these beatles when you zoom in,
Speaker 4: none of them ever repeat the same way. None of
Speaker 4: them are the same, not one of them.
Speaker 2: That is so fascinating, dude. It's actually chirpy to even
Speaker 2: look at. But yeah, you can see right here.
Speaker 4: And actually part of what we're trying to do in Core,
Speaker 4: we're trying to see if we can substantiate the claim
Speaker 4: that I just made, which I'm working with Laslow, who's
Speaker 4: an award winning game developer. We're trying to see if
Speaker 4: we can actually make worlds appear in a world creating
Speaker 4: engine that game developers use through just following some logic
Speaker 4: of the metal bot set. We want to see if
Speaker 4: it's possible, because if we can show it's possible, then
Speaker 4: we have something that we can actually show that is
Speaker 4: actionable versus just kind of like what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 4: We want to see if it's and it seems that
Speaker 4: we're managing to do something.
Speaker 8: It would be mathematically possible. Right.
Speaker 10: The fact that that is even able to be an
Speaker 10: AI generated photo, right, just for instance, means that there
Speaker 10: is some sort of an algorithmic matrix that would lead
Speaker 10: credence to the fact that you could make this, like,
Speaker 10: for instance, a video game map that the more you say,
Speaker 10: the further it goes, and the more it creates itself,
Speaker 10: the further on the edges of the map you go.
Speaker 10: So it's like the algorithm is out there, the mathematical
Speaker 10: equation is out there. It's more or less a matter
Speaker 10: of figuring it out and putting it to code right.
Speaker 4: To see if you nail it. Basically, they gave me
Speaker 4: the answer. They didn't tell me how to got to it.
Speaker 4: They're like, here, reverse engineered this if you tell me
Speaker 4: there's something there. Okay, So now the novel part. And
Speaker 4: this is the last thing I'll say about this. If
Speaker 4: anybody's tired from my trip report, I would be. But
Speaker 4: the last part that I saw was actually really interesting,
Speaker 4: and I this is the part that I have to
Speaker 4: be honest, like, I'm not sure if I edit it later,
Speaker 4: but it makes perfect sense to me, which is that
Speaker 4: the only time where you do break through this veil
Speaker 4: of being alone in your own world and you meet
Speaker 4: an actual other that is conscious also on their own side,
Speaker 4: is when you enter the channel of what we call love. Love.
Speaker 4: So when you feel true love, not infatuation or sexual
Speaker 4: attraction in any of that, but like true, like love,
Speaker 4: whatever that is at its core, doors open, and if
Speaker 4: you are in the presence of a particular avatar, the
Speaker 4: system registers to the main frame goes, hey, what about them?
Speaker 4: Are they also? And then if they are also, it's
Speaker 4: like a key. And you know how people say like
Speaker 4: when they're especially when they're in love, and it's very strong,
Speaker 4: they go, oh my god, I feel like we're the
Speaker 4: only two in the world, the only two be it's
Speaker 4: because you are. You literally are the only now to
Speaker 4: actual agents in the entire world, because you open this
Speaker 4: door with love. And the question is can you open
Speaker 4: the ultimate door of everybody kind of and this is
Speaker 4: where the idea of where all one comes from, because
Speaker 4: the open can actually open the door for us, the
Speaker 4: collective one to re emerge as the collective that we
Speaker 4: are in our little domain. Keeping in mind that it
Speaker 4: is still our local group. There are many, many, many
Speaker 4: other ones, and outside of that you have these gods
Speaker 4: that are a completely different thing. And to be fair,
Speaker 4: because before I said, what is the relevance of all
Speaker 4: of these details? Right, if it doesn't actually make anything good,
Speaker 4: I have to admit that unless we can find a way,
Speaker 4: for example, like make something work with the mental god set,
Speaker 4: or make this idea more salient to people, that love
Speaker 4: truly is like even from a technical standpoint is the
Speaker 4: preferable thing that we want to aim for as humanity.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't clear before, it should be clear now, right,
Speaker 4: So these would be like relevant things from this whole story.
Speaker 4: How can it be relevant like everything that I was
Speaker 4: shown ultimately with that you know, ultimate picture. Probably no
Speaker 4: time soon, but maybe maybe it is. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but we'll see. Like if I have to be fair,
Speaker 4: I don't put too much stock into the details of
Speaker 4: the story unless I can substantiate some of it, bring
Speaker 4: it here, make a better world, make something work, something
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you this by with your
Speaker 2: experience and your research, and you know you're very well understood,
Speaker 2: at least to me anyway, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Where did it all begin somewhere? Or has this existence
Speaker 2: and all existences? Have they always existed? Or did somebody
Speaker 2: something created In a sense.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what they're trying to figure out. That's why
Speaker 4: all the simulations are running, because God does not know
Speaker 4: why everything exists.
Speaker 10: H WHOA Okay, so kind of a subdendum question what
Speaker 10: Jonathan just asked, Right, So you said that you discovered
Speaker 10: this on your own right looking into the laser seeing
Speaker 10: the matrix, see the fabric of reality in the red
Speaker 10: light of a laser refracted on the wall.
Speaker 8: First of all, how did you discover its? Second of all,
Speaker 8: why red? Why didn't you.
Speaker 10: Choose a green light or a blue light or whatever?
Speaker 10: Why was the red the laser color that you chose.
Speaker 10: Just break it all down for us.
Speaker 4: I won't be able to break it all down. It's
Speaker 4: a long story, but the time the shorter version of no,
Speaker 4: because it takes a lot of details that you have
Speaker 4: to literally dig into, like particular things in quantum physics
Speaker 4: that you actually have to understand, so that the short
Speaker 4: It started from thinking about the scantering of light in general,
Speaker 4: which is actually a quantum effect in general. So like
Speaker 4: the fact that the light scanters from any object doesn't
Speaker 4: matter if it's diffracted from which it means a particular
Speaker 4: distance between the slits. That's the difference by the way
Speaker 4: between Just like you scanter light around an object and
Speaker 4: diffraction means the diffraction. Grating calculated the wavelength and matched
Speaker 4: the distances between the slits to match the light wavelength,
Speaker 4: which creates this perfect light dark light dark like dark.
Speaker 4: So that's a quantum effect all by itself, and some
Speaker 4: of it is actually utilized in quantum computers. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of talk recently about quantum computers, but that was
Speaker 4: my thought when I was thinking about this. Look. I
Speaker 4: was walking in the middle of the night looking at
Speaker 4: the stop light. I noticed that there's some difference between
Speaker 4: the light the way it seems to me to scanter
Speaker 4: from the different colors from red to orange or yellow,
Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it. Green, and there was
Speaker 4: a very strong sense in me, almost like something stopped
Speaker 4: me and went yes, look there. And then I started thinking, okay, well,
Speaker 4: we know the quantum computers utilized the fact that the
Speaker 4: coherence happens, which is essentially the instance where the wave function,
Speaker 4: any particle becomes part of I guess your exud world,
Speaker 4: depending on what model you're looking through. If it's the
Speaker 4: Copenhagen interpretation, they think that there's just some statistical probability
Speaker 4: wave they call the wave function, and when an instance
Speaker 4: of occurrence happens, then the wave function collapses and it
Speaker 4: becomes this only this one instance. Up until that point,
Speaker 4: all of these instances were possible, but now it actuated
Speaker 4: in only this one thing, and now it collapsed. That's
Speaker 4: where the wave function collapse comes from. Okay, in the
Speaker 4: many worlds interpretation, they have already an interpretation. There is
Speaker 4: no collapse, but all the possibilities existing at once. In
Speaker 4: other words, the wave function does not collapse. There's this
Speaker 4: infinite possibility space that is all real, and depending on
Speaker 4: where you are in this infinite array, you will experience
Speaker 4: only your tiny sliver, but right next to you there's
Speaker 4: another you experiencing this other possibility that's just slightly different
Speaker 4: with this one atom a little different. And that's the
Speaker 4: many worlds interpretations. Okay, okay, So that's the model that
Speaker 4: I was looking at this picture through. And what quantum
Speaker 4: computers do according to this model is that they literally
Speaker 4: utilize the computation of these infinite worlds, not metaphorically but
Speaker 4: actually so Basically, what it means is that in this
Speaker 4: infinite array of universes, the ones that are closest to you,
Speaker 4: they have quite similar occurrences, and the further away you go,
Speaker 4: the more different the occurrences are, until it gets to
Speaker 4: the point where you're made out of marshmallows. And I
Speaker 4: don't know so, but at least in your local region,
Speaker 4: all the other universes would most likely also have the
Speaker 4: quantum computer you are now operating. They all have it,
Speaker 4: they all understand that that's what's going on. So then
Speaker 4: you basically pull a switch. And then when decoherence happens,
Speaker 4: which is when I guess you can think of it
Speaker 4: in terms of the particle. It's not really a particle decoherent,
Speaker 4: but that's for the visual Let's pretend let's say that
Speaker 4: you chip away a particle from the wave function, which
Speaker 4: is not what's happening, but we're just using heuristic here,
Speaker 4: and then that particle decoheres from the wave function and
Speaker 4: it becomes part of your word world only. Okay, but
Speaker 4: there's a probability that you can discern. There's a few
Speaker 4: equations if people use one of them as the Deutsch equations,
Speaker 4: and then you can it's almost like the four year
Speaker 4: transform of what is the probability of you being in
Speaker 4: this universe or another universe in which this or other
Speaker 4: occurrence happens. This is where the math actually gets very
Speaker 4: very complex. But we can utilize this to say, what
Speaker 4: is the probability that I existed here versus there? And
Speaker 4: what I'm using is not just my computation, but the
Speaker 4: fact that I know that all these other computations are
Speaker 4: happening at once, so we literally distributing computations across multiple universes.
Speaker 4: So the thought was, well, in this instance of the coherence,
Speaker 4: it would be fair to say that the particle that
Speaker 4: there was the cohering, essentially interacts with all the instances
Speaker 4: of itself in this infinite dimensional space or in loven
Speaker 4: dimensional space. However, the mensions you're postulated according to the
Speaker 4: model you're looking through, okay, So that meant that there
Speaker 4: is some communication that is possible through the world with
Speaker 4: some use of light, specifically with scattering and diffraction of light.
Speaker 4: And that was kind of all of that was kind
Speaker 4: of thought at once in like maybe five seconds span,
Speaker 4: and that's when the thing grabbed me by the shoulders,
Speaker 4: so to speak, said that look at that, and I
Speaker 4: go okay, and then I kind of started following that.
Speaker 4: It took another three or four years of weird things happening, synchronicities, numbers,
Speaker 4: looking through a paper that all of a sudden popped
Speaker 4: to my mind things like this, which are definitely you
Speaker 4: cannot present in a scientific conference and say here's my data.
Speaker 4: But that's how it happened. And then Eventually there was
Speaker 4: a series of these occurrences that kept on repeating again
Speaker 4: and again and again the same day that had to
Speaker 4: do with diffracted light, specifically six hundred and fifty nanometers
Speaker 4: that keep like every paper I would pull up that day,
Speaker 4: it was like six hund and fifty six hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty coherent light constantly diffracted. I was like, and and
Speaker 4: my fiance at the time we were I already told
Speaker 4: her what was going on, and she was kind of
Speaker 4: doing it on her own. And then we at the
Speaker 4: same time came to each other and said lasers and
Speaker 4: she goes, yep, so, And it was specifically what.
Speaker 10: Is within the realm or the spectrum of the color red.
Speaker 8: If I'm not mistaken right.
Speaker 4: It is red. Again. You can actually see the code
Speaker 4: with all the frequencies. But I think that maybe I'm
Speaker 4: guessing the insistence of six hundred and fifte nanimeters war
Speaker 4: was because it's the lowest frequency that our eye can see.
Speaker 4: And you do feel a difference like if you do
Speaker 4: it with a green one, because it's a high frequency.
Speaker 4: Even if it's the same output, you might some people
Speaker 4: will feel a headache pretty quickly just because it's too
Speaker 4: much too much energy. Okay, so then you feel it,
Speaker 4: but with the red you can kind of spend more
Speaker 4: time with you can investigate it, you can look deeper
Speaker 4: into it. So I think that would be my guess
Speaker 4: as to why in the documentary we're approaching that part
Speaker 4: gently kind of trying because we are trying to stay
Speaker 4: you know, we're not trying to sound too crazy, but
Speaker 4: we are kind of outlining how that kind of worked
Speaker 4: in terms of how I actually came to it with
Speaker 4: some care, because we want to stay more on the
Speaker 4: scientific side and like not sound too kookie, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean?
Speaker 10: Sure, sure, okay, And that also makes sense to me, right,
Speaker 10: Red is the quote unquote hardest color for the human
Speaker 10: eye to perceive. Green, for instance, would be one of
Speaker 10: the easiest colors for our eyes to pick up one.
Speaker 10: So to say that you're getting too much energy from
Speaker 10: a green light as opposed to a red light, which
Speaker 10: your eye would have to almost over focus on in
Speaker 10: order to dig deeper into it makes sense to me
Speaker 10: why you would see more once you're acutely highly focused
Speaker 10: on a red laser beam on the wall.
Speaker 8: Is that true? So when I was when I was
Speaker 8: in the marine, corps.
Speaker 10: A matter of fact, when we were at night and
Speaker 10: we had to have what's called light discipline, there's a
Speaker 10: reason why our flashlights had red lenses on them because red,
Speaker 10: somehow it is the hardest color for our eyes to
Speaker 10: pick up on, and also it is the easiest to
Speaker 10: distort over a long distance. Right I'm looking for you,
Speaker 10: A red light will go will be masked easier than
Speaker 10: a green light, for instance green That's why like American
Speaker 10: money is green colored, why Chinese money is red colored.
Speaker 10: There's a reason why certain things will attract to the
Speaker 10: human eye more or less than others. That's why I
Speaker 10: was asking you why you went for red lasers in
Speaker 10: the beginning of this so as opposed to like a
Speaker 10: blue light or a purple light, because we've heard about
Speaker 10: die Sian and goggles or something which is like a
Speaker 10: purple lens as goggles which will make you see all
Speaker 10: kinds of crazy shit depending on who you ask. So
Speaker 10: the fact that you're using red lasers to see through
Speaker 10: the matrix, I was curious that there was any kind
Speaker 10: of real scientific backing to do that, or if that's
Speaker 10: just kind of what you through trial or error, have
Speaker 10: had the most success with.
Speaker 4: That's what it pointed to originally, but since then we
Speaker 4: tried it without affrequencies. It absolutely works.
Speaker 2: Got you, So, Denny, could you possibly describe exactly what
Speaker 2: you and everybody else is seeing whenever they're looking at
Speaker 2: the laser beam on the wall, I mean, like, what
Speaker 2: makes Yeah, well, just you know, in your best way,
Speaker 2: could you possibly describe it? Is it like little gears?
Speaker 2: Is it ones and zeros? You know, what is it
Speaker 2: that you're seeing that everybody else is like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing the same thing.
Speaker 8: What is that?
Speaker 4: So yeah, so definitely not ones and zeros. People do
Speaker 4: report seeing kind of like gears in the beginning, but
Speaker 4: it's more the best way to describe its kind of
Speaker 4: like a hybrid between Hebrew and Japanese. But it's not.
Speaker 4: It's not on these things. Okay, So it's I don't
Speaker 4: think it's some ancient language. It's possible that some ancient
Speaker 4: people were exposed to this and develop their languages accordingly.
Speaker 4: It's possible, but I don't think it's any language that
Speaker 4: we know. I had somebody who speaks Japanese who said that, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's not Japanese, but he's he said, I can see
Speaker 4: you how you would think this is Japanese, very similar
Speaker 4: to katakana.
Speaker 8: You being spending some time in Israel, can you read
Speaker 8: and speak?
Speaker 4: So there's there's some odifs there, there's some coofs there.
Speaker 4: There's definitely some people letters that I recognize. But because
Speaker 4: of the amount of information in any given moment, and
Speaker 4: because of the amount of just change that is occurring
Speaker 4: in the space constantly, I don't think that's a viable
Speaker 4: way to go about it, because eyewitness testimony is the
Speaker 4: worst kind of thing when you just ask about specific details, right,
Speaker 4: it is a good one to generalize a quality of something,
Speaker 4: which is why I'm always in the habit of saying,
Speaker 4: it's not the content that convinces you, it's the quality
Speaker 4: of the of what you're seeing. So it's like it
Speaker 4: doesn't have this kind of a So you know what
Speaker 4: gestaltz are, right, they're basically kind of like a possibility
Speaker 4: space of type of let's say call it style, right,
Speaker 4: So you can use it in all kinds of contexts,
Speaker 4: So you can say somebody, you can even say like
Speaker 4: somebody's usually way of appearing, somebody's like always dressing up
Speaker 4: as very vibrant or whatever. That's they're get stalt right
Speaker 4: in cognitive sign gestalt means of something very particular, which
Speaker 4: is like layers of types of I guess you can
Speaker 4: call them either not color palettes, but like it's it's
Speaker 4: experienced palettes. They're like they're like quality of a thing,
Speaker 4: our reality, the way it appears to us. That's a geshtalt.
Speaker 4: Your dream is a gestalt. Okay, it's like it has
Speaker 4: a different kind of function. These are yeah, got the
Speaker 4: kind of exactly we have some representation. Let's see if
Speaker 4: I can send you that one, the closest one that
Speaker 4: I ever seen. Actually, I'll send you a couple right now.
Speaker 2: I'm so interested in this just because of that first
Speaker 2: dmt tchrip where I saw that gold Ball member.
Speaker 8: I told you there was some kind of fucking writing
Speaker 8: on there.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what it was. I I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: it was relatable to this. To be honest, it's been
Speaker 2: months now and I'm starting to forget exactly what it
Speaker 2: looked like, which is so unforced. But I do remember
Speaker 2: it being like some kind of I actually interpreted it
Speaker 2: as like maybe Egyptian writing, although I don't know. I
Speaker 2: couldn't tell you an Egyptian letter like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, it's just from my conscious mind. That's
Speaker 2: how I interpreted it.
Speaker 10: So I remember acutely what you were saying when you
Speaker 10: came out of the first DMT trip, and you did
Speaker 10: use the term Egyptian, but it wasn't the hieroglyphs that
Speaker 10: were thinking of with like an arm bent in a
Speaker 10: nine degree angles letter B or something like that, or
Speaker 10: the stork is this letter you were depicting or describing
Speaker 10: basically from the Transformers movie the Language of the Primes, if.
Speaker 8: You will very much.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you were describing on the Golden ball that you saw.
Speaker 10: And I love the fact that our boy Danny here
Speaker 10: is describing these gears, because I've told you about my
Speaker 10: first mushroom trip where I took too much and I
Speaker 10: saw what I would describe to be the inner workings
Speaker 10: of the fabric of reality, and it was all gears
Speaker 10: and clockwork and cogs and all these.
Speaker 8: So to hear him say this is fascinating.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 10: That was no DMT that will strictly see a cybin,
Speaker 10: a psilocybin, excuse me and mead along with pagan drum
Speaker 10: circles and pagan things going on.
Speaker 8: Well, which was a really good time.
Speaker 10: But beside the point to see it on that side
Speaker 10: of the veil and then to hear him describe it
Speaker 10: this way, It's just I'm having a great time here, brother.
Speaker 2: Now, Whenever, Jacob, whenever you saw those those gears and
Speaker 2: cogs and time clocks and all that other shit, would did,
Speaker 2: it almost seem like it was like a holographic overlay
Speaker 2: of this reality. Like your eyes were open, you saw
Speaker 2: this reality and also that on top of it.
Speaker 10: No, no, I'm gonna be real with you. And this
Speaker 10: was this was my first time experiencing any type of substance.
Speaker 10: I had never smoked weed at this point. The only
Speaker 10: thing I had ever done was been drunk. I never
Speaker 10: experienced any type of substance quote unquote at this time. Okay,
Speaker 10: and for anybody who hasn't hear and Danny, you please
Speaker 10: feel free to chime in on this one because I
Speaker 10: would love to get your two cents on this.
Speaker 8: Okay. So there I was.
Speaker 10: I'm a Christian, right, not a Bible thumping type. I
Speaker 10: have no judgment to give, I promise you I truly
Speaker 10: have none.
Speaker 4: But with that, I mean I've been shown to Jesus Meal.
Speaker 8: So fuck yeah. Here we go right. So here I am.
Speaker 10: I was dating a Nordic pagan woman at the time,
Speaker 10: and she invited me to an embolic festival, which is
Speaker 10: like a fire festival around the winter turning to springtime
Speaker 10: frame good things right, And there's a campground not too
Speaker 10: far from here where it is a religious freedom space.
Speaker 10: So while the Nordic pagans were doing their thing, we
Speaker 10: had some druids doing their shit over here. We had
Speaker 10: some uh, I don't even know what type of wickens
Speaker 10: this was.
Speaker 8: Over here.
Speaker 10: We had all these different people with all types of
Speaker 10: faiths going on celebrating this time of year together in
Speaker 10: their own ways.
Speaker 8: Cool good shit.
Speaker 10: And I was working a job at the time where
Speaker 10: I got your analysis done and I couldn't partake of
Speaker 10: the weed and the hash and everything that was passed around.
Speaker 10: Shaman Man pulls out a five gallon baggy full of
Speaker 10: mushrooms and I'm like, hold on, mister shaman Man, those
Speaker 10: don't pop on a piss test too that.
Speaker 8: He's like nope, I'm like, all right, hit me, what's up?
Speaker 10: So, and I had no idea what a quote unquote
Speaker 10: good amount was for me, So he gave me like
Speaker 10: two caps and again. I had no idea is a
Speaker 10: big cap versus a small cap per my body weight.
Speaker 10: I have no idea what I'm doing here. I'm experimenting.
Speaker 10: It's all good, and I'm already a couple of drinks
Speaker 10: in so fun. I take them about an hour later,
Speaker 10: and he was good in that fact. He didn't just
Speaker 10: like let me go way too far over to where
Speaker 10: I was like scared. He told me, like, take a
Speaker 10: couple of them, wait an hour, let's see how you feel,
Speaker 10: and if you're not feeling the effects, will take two more.
Speaker 8: And I'm like, all right, got you, what's up? I
Speaker 8: take two. I just feel drunk er, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean, and like, okay, cool, cool, So hit me again,
Speaker 8: mister shaman. Get it again.
Speaker 10: Two more caps. I'd feel drunk er er, okay, so
Speaker 10: we'll try it again here. Another hit three of these,
Speaker 10: so about six to seven caps, so to speak, drunk
Speaker 10: er er er, And I'm just like, all right, look, man,
Speaker 10: I'm not trying to like question your credentials as the
Speaker 10: group shaman, but I feel like I just could have
Speaker 10: tooken a couple of shots of whiskey and gotten about here.
Speaker 10: And he's like, all right, Okay, go ahead. Here he
Speaker 10: threw me the whole bag. He's like, grab what you want.
Speaker 10: You tell me when it's enough, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 10: here we go. So and I'm a pretty tall guy,
Speaker 10: I got pretty decently sized hands. So I grab a
Speaker 10: full on claw full of these psilocybin mushrooms and I
Speaker 10: just chow down and then I pound a bottle of
Speaker 10: mead behind it.
Speaker 8: I had no idea what I had just signed up for,
Speaker 8: but I was here for it, right.
Speaker 10: Long story short cut to We're about forty five minutes
Speaker 10: and I'm staring at the bonfire. There's a drum circle
Speaker 10: going on about five hundred meters away. We got some
Speaker 10: crazy fat white chick wailing on the microphone with some
Speaker 10: chance and shit, it's a whole vibe. It's a whole vibe.
Speaker 10: And uh, I'm starting. I closed my eyes chilling see
Speaker 10: some lights, start dancing with my eyes closed and like
Speaker 10: oh shit.
Speaker 8: And I got the smile and they're like, oh shit,
Speaker 8: you feel it, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 8: feel it. I feel it. What's up?
Speaker 10: Cut to about thirty minutes later, I'm able to open
Speaker 10: my eyes and I see everything, the actual air molecules
Speaker 10: themselves are golden cogs and gears and clockwork and everything good, bad, indifferent,
Speaker 10: super related to me, super not related to me, is
Speaker 10: all flowing and perfectly aligning with each other and turning.
Speaker 8: And it hit me.
Speaker 10: I'm like, holy shit, life has to be this way.
Speaker 10: The good and the bad have to flow together in
Speaker 10: order for there to be a harmony. And this existence
Speaker 10: only happens if we have a certain balance of harmony
Speaker 10: and it all clicks. So to answer your question, Jonathan,
Speaker 10: it wasn't that it was like a hologram overlaid over
Speaker 10: this existence. I was visualizing this existence through another lens, ah,
Speaker 10: and everything was bright, golden, And I don't mean golden
Speaker 10: like just kind of a huge no no, no, like
Speaker 10: solid fucking twenty four carre gold bro It was bright,
Speaker 10: it was warm, it was it felt good. And I
Speaker 10: don't just mean like, oh I'm dripping bra No no, no,
Speaker 10: I mean like it felt like I was seeing existence
Speaker 10: for the first time through a different perspective that has
Speaker 10: always been there, but somehow I had never been able
Speaker 10: to see.
Speaker 8: And you're able to appreciate it in that perspective. Oh
Speaker 8: my god. And that lasted for hours you know what.
Speaker 8: They didn't tell me. Now, I'm not gonna go there.
Speaker 10: Apparently you can't nut while you're on psilocybin mushrooms.
Speaker 8: Didn't know that, didn't know that and had to find
Speaker 8: out the hard way.
Speaker 10: But that detracts from the glorious perspective shift that I
Speaker 10: had that night.
Speaker 8: So we're gonna get there another time.
Speaker 10: But this other point, so to have all of that
Speaker 10: be seen from the perspective of who, Like I said,
Speaker 10: very yes, I understand I'm not a very good Christian,
Speaker 10: y'all never claimed to be. Fuck the judgment. But my
Speaker 10: point is I saw that all of this has to
Speaker 10: work this way because it just simply has to. It's
Speaker 10: like the ying yang. There has to be a little
Speaker 10: bit of light in the dark. There has to be
Speaker 10: a little bit of dark in the light.
Speaker 8: Is that fair? Is that good? Is that positive? Look?
Speaker 10: Who the fuck asked? It has to be that way
Speaker 10: otherwise we don't have a balance. And if we don't
Speaker 10: have a balance, we don't have existence. Does this make
Speaker 10: sense or am I just complete?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Makes perfect sense. And these are the I sent
Speaker 4: the letter here in the chat, and I send it
Speaker 4: to you to Jonathan, so you can check both. This
Speaker 4: is three different representations of three different artists. I have
Speaker 4: to say that if I have to pick the one
Speaker 4: that is this is by Ebony. She's also one of
Speaker 4: the moderators on our discord Incredible Girl, Love You Ebony,
Speaker 4: and she's an incredible artist. She she she drew these.
Speaker 4: I would say that these are less of the language
Speaker 4: some of probably are a lot of them, like the
Speaker 4: the one in the circle, the circle one, it's more
Speaker 4: like the it's the connecting point between a few of
Speaker 4: them all at once when you kind of see them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And because there's also things in there, there's like structures
Speaker 4: that app here. But it's extremely complex and it goes,
Speaker 4: you know, into infinity, into the zxis. You're not really
Speaker 4: seeing it on the surface. It's like a subspace. What no,
Speaker 4: you're good. You're good. It's like it's like a subspace
Speaker 4: within the space. So it's almost like you see I
Speaker 4: think the best way I found to describe it is
Speaker 4: that it's essentially just like when you're standing on a
Speaker 4: on a you know, on a train cart when the
Speaker 4: train is moving and if you're looking, if you open
Speaker 4: the door right and you see the other cart and
Speaker 4: you're kind of moving in relationship to you like that, right,
Speaker 4: So imagine that just the cart is within the other cart.
Speaker 4: So it's like whatever that space is, it's almost like
Speaker 4: it's doing its own thing, and it's kind of dancing
Speaker 4: in the wall and it's on its own, in some
Speaker 4: kind of a subspace, on its own. But it's not
Speaker 4: like on the surface. It's not like that you see
Speaker 4: the uh you know, the the little speckle on the
Speaker 4: wall kind of doing a little thing on you. No,
Speaker 4: it's like inside and it's super coherent, like you can
Speaker 4: see a full structure. There's like a dome inside. It's
Speaker 4: some kind of a cavity that you're looking into, and
Speaker 4: there's a whole world that is operating there. And some
Speaker 4: of these characters are in there.
Speaker 10: Interesting, man, I see a little bit of some Hebrew influence.
Speaker 10: I see some possibly Malaysian.
Speaker 8: I was gonna say, some Hindu right here with all
Speaker 8: the three looking things, Yeah, I see Hindu in there.
Speaker 10: There is there's like a little bit of a flavoring
Speaker 10: of all of the ancient base languages, if you will,
Speaker 10: but nothing fully.
Speaker 4: One doesn't pop us anything. Yeah, closest one is the
Speaker 4: one that in a pencil like if you pop the
Speaker 4: one that I sent you, also the one in the pencil,
Speaker 4: that's the closest. If I have to bet on one,
Speaker 4: that's that's the one in the bottom, that's the closest one.
Speaker 10: Wow.
Speaker 8: All right, right, here we go.
Speaker 4: That's the closest one, the actual Wow. Yeah. So as
Speaker 4: you can see, is that like those Hebrew shins, some
Speaker 4: close olifts. So but here's my take on this. And
Speaker 4: I keep saying I would be the first one to
Speaker 4: celebrate being wrong about this. However, my perception of the
Speaker 4: situation is that decoding this is not in the cars
Speaker 4: anytime soon. Because even if I give you the entire
Speaker 4: alphabet of the English language without showing you how it works,
Speaker 4: you will never know English. It has nothing to do
Speaker 4: knowing the symbols doesn't mean knowing the language, right, So
Speaker 4: do with syntax, with grammar, with usage, with everything, right,
Speaker 4: So I have to give you examples of the usage.
Speaker 4: So the first thing we have to figure out is
Speaker 4: what is it? How can we perturb it? Potentially? This
Speaker 4: is what we're trying to do now, to see if
Speaker 4: we can create some perturbations to it, and with powerful
Speaker 4: magnetic fields projecting into different materials, doing something to make
Speaker 4: it do something different that both you and I can
Speaker 4: agree on. Because the first thing it's going to do
Speaker 4: if we can do that, if let's say, I can
Speaker 4: do this whatever trick it is, and then it produces
Speaker 4: an effect that not only you and I agree that
Speaker 4: we're seeing the same region of whatever that is, but
Speaker 4: I'm also now influencing it in a way that both
Speaker 4: you and I agree on what it's doing. I mean,
Speaker 4: now you have a whole new degree of confidence that
Speaker 4: you're looking at something real, first of all, and it
Speaker 4: starts giving you an understanding of what is it doing
Speaker 4: in relationship to everything else when in about physical matter,
Speaker 4: because if the magnetic field over here, may this thing
Speaker 4: do whatever that whatever that is? And then if I
Speaker 4: move it over here and it both we both you
Speaker 4: and I see that it changes in that way. We go, oh,
Speaker 4: what does that mean in terms of magnetism? Interesting? Okay,
Speaker 4: so now we kind of start playing with it. Then
Speaker 4: when you have a good understanding of that, now you
Speaker 4: can start saying, you know, when I move the slaveser,
Speaker 4: I'm noticing that more of these kind of characters appear,
Speaker 4: or something like that. Right, So only then it's going
Speaker 4: to become relevant. I think that we do have a
Speaker 4: conversation tomorrow with somebody who created a claiming to have
Speaker 4: created he's utilizing tool that exists. It's an AI tool
Speaker 4: that is really good at edge detection, and he's saying
Speaker 4: that he's analyzing the data of the light without any molecule. Obviously,
Speaker 4: it's just the AI looking at it and it says
Speaker 4: there's information there. I can tell you like it tells
Speaker 4: me what the information is. So tomorrow we're going to
Speaker 4: have a conversation with him with a few other software
Speaker 4: developers to weigh in on it to see if there's
Speaker 4: no mistakes made in the logic. But if we can
Speaker 4: do something like that, I mean that also opens a
Speaker 4: whole new window that might be very interesting. We want
Speaker 4: to see if we can analyze inwards, like into the
Speaker 4: zx's which is way more complex. But if we can
Speaker 4: do that again, we can kind of start playing with
Speaker 4: real possibilities and or with tools like advanced Neural link
Speaker 4: that can if you can directly record from your cortex,
Speaker 4: then you can record exactly what you're seeing while you're
Speaker 4: on DMT, and then you can start analyzing it.
Speaker 8: See what I mean saying like this So that's my
Speaker 8: next question.
Speaker 10: Right, we're looking at these symbols this let's, for lack
Speaker 10: of better words or a human understanding, let's call it
Speaker 10: a language or a code, if you will, a codex
Speaker 10: of some type. Now, are we to believe that this
Speaker 10: is the code that makes up the very fabric of
Speaker 10: our reality?
Speaker 9: Or is it?
Speaker 10: Like you said earlier, it's kind of arbitrary, because so
Speaker 10: what if you can read the code unless you understand
Speaker 10: what it's trying to tell you, then it's just pissing
Speaker 10: in the wind.
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 8: Where do you fall in this?
Speaker 4: I fall on this that the usage of my usage
Speaker 4: of the of the phrase code of reality is kind
Speaker 4: of like the usage of the phrase dark matter. We
Speaker 4: don't really know that it's even matter, right, We don't
Speaker 4: know what it is, So it's a placeholder until you
Speaker 4: understand what it is. It's exactly the same thing. I
Speaker 4: don't know what it's doing. I'm not claiming to know
Speaker 4: that it codes for actual constituents of the world. I
Speaker 4: am claiming that it's a real thing that looks like
Speaker 4: a self executing code. And no, it does not look arbitrary.
Speaker 4: It looks like it's doing some kind of a thing and.
Speaker 10: This is it looks like it's intended to be there
Speaker 10: to perform a function, if you will.
Speaker 4: It's the reason that you see these reactions in the videos.
Speaker 4: And this is something that is you know, I've now
Speaker 4: personally watched hundreds of times and it's basically every time.
Speaker 4: The reason that you see this reaction of like wait,
Speaker 4: what like this weird? Like your brain just goes borrow.
Speaker 4: It's there's a lot of incredible things you can see
Speaker 4: in the psychedelic space, just like the one you just
Speaker 4: describe that I because I know how these spaces feel
Speaker 4: what you describe right now, I could even feel it
Speaker 4: in my body. That's incredible. Right in that instance, you go,
Speaker 4: holy shit, not thinking will ever be the same again?
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 4: However, when you go back to the real life, you're
Speaker 4: kind of like, Okay, it was a psychedelic like your
Speaker 4: brain categorizes this, right, it kind of puts this aside. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's a I've had this glimmer.
Speaker 8: What do you do with that?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 10: Which is what the human brain is designed to do, right,
Speaker 10: and it's pick up patterns and fill in the gaps
Speaker 10: and make sense of it so we can survive.
Speaker 8: Better and move on. With our lives, so like that's
Speaker 8: very normal and natural.
Speaker 4: Exactly, But with the code. It's the reason that you
Speaker 4: see the reaction, I think is because it's mundane. It's like,
Speaker 4: it's not like that, it's just there. It's just there,
Speaker 4: like the shoe is. It's like you're looking at something real,
Speaker 4: and you know you're looking at something real because it
Speaker 4: has the same kind of rigidity, space permanence. You look away,
Speaker 4: you look back, it's the same thing. You doesn't matter
Speaker 4: how many times you do it. It's the same thing.
Speaker 4: If somebody is in the room with you and they're
Speaker 4: doing the same thing. We can point to things, we
Speaker 4: can say, do you see this thing? Yes? Do you
Speaker 4: see this thing changing here? Yes? Like it's there. I
Speaker 4: don't think anybody really expects to see it. It's it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter if they come from a spiritual perspective or
Speaker 4: like nobody has ever seen that kind of a thing.
Speaker 4: It's like a it's like a hyper object that exists
Speaker 4: in between whatever space these hyperdimensional things exist and where
Speaker 4: I are space is. It's almost like it's right in
Speaker 4: the middle. It's kind of like it's off the flavor
Speaker 4: of this higher thing, but it is also of the
Speaker 4: flavor of our thing. That's why I started talking about
Speaker 4: ges Staltz is because it's salt is very much like
Speaker 4: physical matter. It's just that it's again, you know, you're
Speaker 4: looking through a microscope. The world you see in a
Speaker 4: microscope is super different than everything we know in our world, right,
Speaker 4: But you know you're looking at something real that just
Speaker 4: exists on its own side and doing its own thing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: It's like that. It's like you're looking through a microscope
Speaker 4: into another world. It's like you're peering through a window
Speaker 4: and it's as real as you and I. That's the
Speaker 4: mind fuck. Like people just don't I'm looking for that
Speaker 4: reaction because when people don't have that reaction and it
Speaker 4: sounds like a self fulfilling thing, right, it's like, well,
Speaker 4: what do you mean, Like if I'm not blown away,
Speaker 4: then you're not happy? Yeah, Because there's an attached reaction
Speaker 4: that is always there. It's like when people kind of
Speaker 4: see it, when they just see kind of like the
Speaker 4: shapes and stuff, they sometimes go like, oh oh wow, okay, cool, cool, wow, wow,
Speaker 4: that's cool. That's but then when they see the language,
Speaker 4: the mask, the acting, it just you see true awe.
Speaker 8: People stunned.
Speaker 4: What they're like, what the what they can't believe what
Speaker 4: they're seeing? That I know that somebody now saw it.
Speaker 4: So to give you something very interesting actually that I
Speaker 4: discovered myself only recently. There's a team from Japan that
Speaker 4: been collecting data coming from stars light coming from stars
Speaker 4: since twenty fourteen. And what they discovered, now that we
Speaker 4: have strong enough ais to actually in deep learning to
Speaker 4: analyze this kind of stuff, I'm going to share this.
Speaker 4: Let's see if it allows me to copy paste from
Speaker 4: the thing. Let's see boom beautiful. So open this up.
Speaker 4: This is a story, This is real. This is a
Speaker 4: regular scientific team, it's not some kind of a fringe
Speaker 4: recon team. And what they discovered is that after analyzing
Speaker 4: the data, it seems that you know, perodelia is basically
Speaker 4: the fact that our brain makes a sense of like shapes,
Speaker 4: right brain finds faces. So what they concluded is that
Speaker 4: after analyzing this ince twenty fourteen is that these are
Speaker 4: not periodelia. They concluded that there's some kind of symbols
Speaker 4: coming from lights and stars that they can analyze the
Speaker 4: actual data in the light.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it looks like a five right here, right.
Speaker 4: Whatever it is, I don't know. So now just because
Speaker 4: this is a perfect example, because it's also illustrates what
Speaker 4: the code in the in the laser that we're seeing
Speaker 4: what it is not. So it's not like this, it's
Speaker 4: like super AHD and it's not like little like you know,
Speaker 4: one character here, one character. The whole thing is in
Speaker 4: a ray of these like super complex languages. They behave
Speaker 4: very coherently. They never break coherence speak, they never become
Speaker 4: less coherent than what they are. So they're super super
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the laser of the DMT. Now you're
Speaker 4: talking about not kind of like this, but you're talking
Speaker 4: about you know, these buckyballs that are all made out
Speaker 4: of these languages. And then they kind of move around,
Speaker 4: and then these giant columns that are moving back and forth,
Speaker 4: these little characters consciously switching their space. You would assume
Speaker 4: that if it is some kind of a hallucination, your
Speaker 4: brain is holding it in place. So once in a while,
Speaker 4: if you squint or if you move around, it will
Speaker 4: kind of break, you know what I mean, Like it
Speaker 4: will break a little and then you go back at Okay,
Speaker 4: your brain will reassemble it. No, no, no, it's like
Speaker 4: like I said, it's like the shoe. The shoe is
Speaker 4: just there. You're just shining a light on the shoe.
Speaker 4: That's literally what it feels like. I don't want to
Speaker 4: emphasize this, so that is why it's so masmearizing to people.
Speaker 4: But this is a very interesting data point because it
Speaker 4: would stend to reason that obviously, if there is if
Speaker 4: the code is in everything, this kind of code, it
Speaker 4: is in light as well, So you would have the
Speaker 4: situation where the laser is projecting its own codes onto
Speaker 4: a surface that has its own codes. And what I
Speaker 4: think what we're seeing is we're seeing the code in
Speaker 4: the surface and what the surface is because when we
Speaker 4: move the light, the codes in the wall are not moving.
Speaker 4: It's like putting a flashlight on something in the dark.
Speaker 4: But there is also these little coatings that are running
Speaker 4: on the surface that I couldn't really figure it out
Speaker 4: why that are moving with the light. So it's almost
Speaker 4: like there's little things that are happening on the surface
Speaker 4: that are if I move, the light is moving with
Speaker 4: the light. So this would explain it because the light
Speaker 4: itself also contains code that is actually hitting the wall
Speaker 4: and you see some of it as well. So it's
Speaker 4: two different layers of code that you're basically see in
Speaker 4: the same dime. In this case.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I yeah, because I can imagine that some people,
Speaker 2: you know, you're seeing the laser shined up against the wall.
Speaker 2: Could that just be some kind of coating that is
Speaker 2: written within the laser itself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's not what you're seeing. Just like if
Speaker 4: you would project again a flashlight in a on something,
Speaker 4: when you move the light like that, it's clearly you're
Speaker 4: just revealing a hyper object. You're revealing some kind of
Speaker 4: an enormous thing, and you can literally go like across
Speaker 4: the room like this. It's just like you're revealing more
Speaker 4: code everywhere, and that code is not moving with your light.
Speaker 4: Your light is replacing the regions of the code that
Speaker 4: it's revealing.
Speaker 10: Okay, so the code is not like and to put
Speaker 10: to a movie, if we shall, let's bring up the matrix, right.
Speaker 10: We got the ones and the zeros, and they're constantly
Speaker 10: rolling down and they're moving.
Speaker 8: So whenever you're shining a light at.
Speaker 10: The wall and you're under the influence of DMT, these figures,
Speaker 10: these sigils, whatever you want to call them, they're not moving.
Speaker 10: They are stagnant.
Speaker 4: No, they're moving. So I know that Chase and is
Speaker 4: now pretty like I think it did a project of
Speaker 4: service obviously, But because he's a very you know, kind
Speaker 4: of like his brand is to be like very what's
Speaker 4: the word. Well, he has to be believable, right. He
Speaker 4: can't like break character from like not break character. He
Speaker 4: can't all of a sudden start confabulating things, right because
Speaker 4: his brand is trusted, trust, trustworthy.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you saw the clip, but
Speaker 4: Chase Hughes he was talking about seeing the code, and
Speaker 4: on my channel there's a video of him actually seeing
Speaker 4: the code in real time.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 4: And one of the things he said is that the
Speaker 4: code is static. The code appears static when there's not
Speaker 4: enough molecule in your blood, when there's not enough DMT.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if he didn't have enough DMT
Speaker 4: in that instance, but when you have enough molecule, you
Speaker 4: see the whole thing moving. It's just moving on its
Speaker 4: own accord. It's not moving in relationship to what you're doing.
Speaker 4: It's not moving when you're moving your head or when
Speaker 4: you're moving the light. None of what you're doing on
Speaker 4: your side is changing what the code is doing. If
Speaker 4: there's not enough molecule, you would see the code static frozen.
Speaker 4: If there's enough molecule, it will also be moving and
Speaker 4: doing its own thing, and we can agree on its motion,
Speaker 4: but it's doing its own thing.
Speaker 8: Okay.
Speaker 10: Now with that sub reddit question to this, what is
Speaker 10: your opinion on natural d MT versus chemical d MT
Speaker 10: or is there a differential in between?
Speaker 4: There's no difference with exactly alasca.
Speaker 10: As opposed to four aco d m T in a
Speaker 10: pill form. Does it hit the same? Should you go
Speaker 10: more naturalist route, should you go a more lad purified route?
Speaker 10: What is the best course of action in your opinion?
Speaker 4: I'm not the whole meme of like natural versus not natural.
Speaker 4: I'm not buying into any of that. I think that
Speaker 4: some things that people do we haven't figured out yet,
Speaker 4: but some people some things that people do is way
Speaker 4: better than nature ever could.
Speaker 8: And you're gonna pass people off of that one.
Speaker 4: Oh that's okay. Uh? When when when somebody is God forbid,
Speaker 4: If somebody has a terrible accident and they let's say
Speaker 4: they were impaled in some terrible way, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 4: they're gonna be happy. There's a modern hospital around right.
Speaker 4: So yes, there's you would be dead meat. Uh maybe
Speaker 4: one hundred years ago. Okay, So there's one example of
Speaker 4: what something humans did absolutely surpasses anything that nature could
Speaker 4: in that instance, with the addition that truly there's no difference.
Speaker 4: You are nature. You are nature trying to figure things out.
Speaker 4: Which is why this whole memes absurd is because what
Speaker 4: humans do in a lab, that's nature doing that in
Speaker 4: that lab. There's no difference whatsoever. Right, So there's certain
Speaker 4: processes that humans are very complex things. The more complexity
Speaker 4: you have, the more possibilities of things kind of going
Speaker 4: awry there is. It's just how it is, right, So
Speaker 4: humans are the kind of thing that now that we're
Speaker 4: evolving in the universe, it allows for certain functionalities that
Speaker 4: are way more elaborate. It also gives the potential potential
Speaker 4: for much greater, many, much greater things with the price
Speaker 4: of potentially much greater destruction in that region. It just
Speaker 4: goes yin and yang, right, goes in hand in end.
Speaker 10: And I'll give you another example of this, like smoking
Speaker 10: regular marijuana as opposed to like Delta eleven or ten
Speaker 10: or nine or whatever the new version of delta have.
Speaker 10: So we have one that's more of a lab based
Speaker 10: thing versus one that is a purely naturally grown thing. Now,
Speaker 10: there are those that say that they do the exact
Speaker 10: same thing.
Speaker 8: To your body.
Speaker 10: Okay, fine, fine, fine, and you get the same effects from.
Speaker 8: Then one of those peoples, right, all right.
Speaker 10: There are some that are purists and will hit one
Speaker 10: of these Delta eleven vapes and be like, well, that's
Speaker 10: okay if you're not used to smoking good weed. And
Speaker 10: then there are those that will smoke weed that will
Speaker 10: try the vape and be like, bro, that's too strong
Speaker 10: for me. It varies person a person. So you're saying
Speaker 10: in the same way that d MT or any other
Speaker 10: type of psychedelics, like you could eat regular mushrooms or
Speaker 10: you could try a psilocybin chocolate that's made in a
Speaker 10: factory somewhere, and you may get the same results, some better,
Speaker 10: some worse, depending person a person.
Speaker 4: Right. So, well, it's easily demonstrated with the fact that
Speaker 4: most things that are natural will kill you. Right, most plants,
Speaker 4: if you eat them, they'll kill you. So that's natural.
Speaker 4: But it has nothing to do with like. This is
Speaker 4: why this idea is a little silly, is because I
Speaker 4: would go as far as to agree even that there
Speaker 4: is this deeper tapestry of incentives and intentions that can
Speaker 4: be put into the process of making something completely open
Speaker 4: to the possibility, and would go as far as to
Speaker 4: say that I'm pretty convinced that it is in fact
Speaker 4: the case that if you you know the whole thing
Speaker 4: with if you bless your water, or if you put
Speaker 4: a certain energy into your process. I am actually very
Speaker 4: much on the side of people who think that that
Speaker 4: actually makes a difference. I do believe. So however, it
Speaker 4: still falls within the framework of what we understand about
Speaker 4: what the world really is. Right, So, like, if it
Speaker 4: is the case that you have to do it, but
Speaker 4: that's part of the knowledge that you acquire by doing
Speaker 4: it that way. But it doesn't matter how many blessings
Speaker 4: you're going to put on I don't know, I'm not
Speaker 4: very good in botany, but fill in the blank. The
Speaker 4: plant will kill you. You bless it all day long,
Speaker 4: you're dead. It doesn't matter, right, So so it's it's
Speaker 4: there's a range of of what you can do there.
Speaker 4: But I don't want to demonize either side like that.
Speaker 4: There's there's a demonization there that is implied in anything
Speaker 4: that humans make, which is simply not true, because we
Speaker 4: should also be blessed for the gifts that we're bringing
Speaker 4: this world. Right, And and it's not hubrious, it is
Speaker 4: the thing that nature wants you to do is to
Speaker 4: stand on the one ground that you were made to
Speaker 4: stand on, so to speak. Okay, and we should. We're
Speaker 4: supposed to be the custodians of knowledge and wisdom. At
Speaker 4: the moment, most of us are not. But but and
Speaker 4: I'm not placing myself in the one that are. I'm
Speaker 4: just saying we can absolutely become that.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: We can be the protectors of this earth if a
Speaker 4: meteor comes right now, we're the only one that can
Speaker 4: potentially save the biosphere. Right, So there you go. There
Speaker 4: you go. There there's one example. So all of that
Speaker 4: in you in terms of usage in my experience and
Speaker 4: also in terms of what I understand about the the chemistry,
Speaker 4: there's really well, first of all, in terms of specifically
Speaker 4: DMT and NDMD, there's literally zero difference in the molecular
Speaker 4: structure between the synthesized version and the ones you extract.
Speaker 4: In fact, it's better to use the synthesized version because
Speaker 4: you know exactly what you're getting with the extracted version,
Speaker 4: you might it might not be exactly pure, and then
Speaker 4: you might get all kinds of like weird kinks and
Speaker 4: it's not gonna be bad, but it's definitely not gonna
Speaker 4: be as good.
Speaker 2: You might get some weird pollen from another flower or
Speaker 2: some ant that was chewing on it or something like that.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, there's there's really now four A c O DMPT,
Speaker 4: which by far, in my opinion, one of the most
Speaker 4: superior things there is. It's not really tea, it's it's
Speaker 4: basically synthetic mushrooms. Uh. And I personally prefer them now
Speaker 4: ever since I've done them, I prefer them any day
Speaker 4: over psilocybin because the four A going oh yeah, because
Speaker 4: there's none of the physical weirdness, there's none of the jitters.
Speaker 4: The stone and gets sick people pristine and clean. Right,
Speaker 4: So now I now all of that being said, So
Speaker 4: all the people that you said I just pissed off,
Speaker 4: I will offer an olive branch, and I will say
Speaker 4: that I know for a fact because I used to
Speaker 4: be like super skeptical about this kind of stuff and
Speaker 4: I was proven wrong because I had a friend. I
Speaker 4: have a friend. She's still a good friend of mine,
Speaker 4: and she introduced me to this molecule that She said
Speaker 4: that the guy who makes this molecule doesn't see people
Speaker 4: for a month when he makes it because he doesn't
Speaker 4: want to mix anybody's energy in it, to which of
Speaker 4: course I rolled my eyes. I was like, come on,
Speaker 4: we enter, and so how much is it? A thousand dollars?
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, sounds like he's been getting a
Speaker 2: little too high on his own supply a little bit.
Speaker 8: I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But then I tried it, and because I do have
Speaker 4: a very extensive experience with the molecule, I said, holy shit, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4: And then I was like whoa. And I was like
Speaker 4: it was reverent, right, And to anybody who knows the molecule, well,
Speaker 4: it has this very, very often this erratic nature. It
Speaker 4: kind of like very and it has this kind of
Speaker 4: like jumpy you know, and it didn't have any of that.
Speaker 4: It just had this like kind of like open waves, right,
Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, that's incredible. And then I
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden everything kind of connected and
Speaker 4: I said, wait a second, I remember then when it
Speaker 4: was used to get this badge because we were traveling
Speaker 4: the world back then, and I said, right before we left,
Speaker 4: I used to get this batch in LA from this
Speaker 4: guy and it always felt like violent, like violent violent.
Speaker 4: And I was like, that's weird. And I thought, and
Speaker 4: obviously the first thing you go through is like, well,
Speaker 4: I guess it's something in me right now, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm I guess I'm not paying attention. But and then
Speaker 4: I made the connection. I was like, dude, I know
Speaker 4: he's not selling, just that I know is involved with
Speaker 4: the cartel for sure. I was like that violence, it travels,
Speaker 4: it travels, it's in there, and I was like I
Speaker 4: could feel it. I was like, all right, I was wrong.
Speaker 4: For sure. There's something to the intention, the energy that
Speaker 4: you put into it, even if in terms of I
Speaker 4: don't even can't care how it comes about it. Maybe
Speaker 4: the explanation involves both the intention and because the intention,
Speaker 4: you somehow understand how the distillation has to be much
Speaker 4: better in some form physically. I don't really care how
Speaker 4: it happens, but I, without a shadow of without it
Speaker 4: was one of these instances with the universe was like,
Speaker 4: you're wrong. I was like, all right, I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: So it almost seems like he kind of takes to
Speaker 2: heart the alchemical way of looking at certain things, you know,
Speaker 2: like involving certain emotions and spiritualities. Whenever you're creating these
Speaker 2: these types of hallucinogenics.
Speaker 4: Absolutely yes, And this is why I'm saying that combining
Speaker 4: our knowledge from both the contemplative and the physical is
Speaker 4: the only way forward. It's like combining the two hemispheres
Speaker 4: of humanity instead of pretending that somehow one is the
Speaker 4: answer and the other one doesn't. Going too far in
Speaker 4: any direction is not going to get you anywhere. You
Speaker 4: have to build together because on the one hand, you
Speaker 4: have to have the wisdom of the present moment, the connection,
Speaker 4: the connection to the land, the connection to each other,
Speaker 4: the connection to guy, all of that stuff in order
Speaker 4: to have the wisdom of operation of to know how
Speaker 4: to basically act out of that place.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 4: On the other hand, if you just do that and
Speaker 4: don't play what people would call the intellectual game, well,
Speaker 4: the sun will become a red giant and will go
Speaker 4: of the earth. You need to build rockets. You need
Speaker 4: to know how to do that.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: So that's the intellectual game. It's part of the picture.
Speaker 4: It's part of the picture. The best species, I think
Speaker 4: is one that creates beautiful technologies that are inspired by
Speaker 4: the divine, that are emanated out of that place of connection.
Speaker 4: So you basically build worlds that are not raping the environment,
Speaker 4: but become a natural tempestry of the environment. It accentuates
Speaker 4: the environment, it makes it more beautiful and not less beautiful.
Speaker 4: It adds to it, doesn't subtract from it, right, And
Speaker 4: that's how you embed yourself in. It's almost like that's
Speaker 4: the thing that nature waits for us to do. That
Speaker 4: at the end of it, when we're going to start
Speaker 4: getting it and we're absolouly getting it, nature will go
Speaker 4: like there you go like that, Yes, let's glide, let's glide,
Speaker 4: and now now we're ready, let's go boom and now
Speaker 4: we're going through the stars. Now we're going through the stars.
Speaker 4: After you get that wave, after you understand that vibe.
Speaker 8: So you don't correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Your opinion on what could become of AI is not
Speaker 2: something that's scary and detrimental and demonic and shit like that.
Speaker 2: You see it as a possible natural progression of humanity.
Speaker 8: In a sense, it's us okay, literally us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like we are that agi you are that
Speaker 4: the thing in the in the middle making the choices
Speaker 4: is not gonna get into the free book discussion because
Speaker 4: it's a three hour discussion. But your perception of whatever
Speaker 4: that choice is, right, you still need so okay, illustration
Speaker 4: because now it's actually pretty easy to bring to understanding.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that at this point most people play
Speaker 4: with chagpd.
Speaker 8: Right, hell yeah every day?
Speaker 4: Right? Did you notice that the main impediment is just
Speaker 4: your imagination? Yes, you can do anything, right, But very
Speaker 4: quickly it becomes a parent that that's actually the biggest
Speaker 4: hurdle to clear because wait, you want to tell me
Speaker 4: that I can do anything?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Anything. You can start any business, you can learn anything
Speaker 4: in ten minutes, you can ask it to write any code.
Speaker 4: What is missing? What should I do? And then if
Speaker 4: you can do anything, well, now that's a big question
Speaker 4: if you don't have limitations. Limitations are usually the thing
Speaker 4: that dictates what pull of possibilities you sampling from, right,
Speaker 4: like your physical limitations, your money limitations, your psychological limitations,
Speaker 4: all of these are bounding you to be doing only
Speaker 4: this and nothing else outside of the realm of these possibilities. Right,
Speaker 4: you can't jump all the way to the sky, so
Speaker 4: you can't do that. So you can do certain things,
Speaker 4: but if you can truly start playing with like infinite
Speaker 4: spaces like this, the question what to do next becomes
Speaker 4: a very difficult one because like what should I want next?
Speaker 4: I don't know. Well, this is where the connection to
Speaker 4: quote unquote of the divine becomes important. But I think
Speaker 4: what you're really connecting to is to the core of
Speaker 4: what the unitary. This is where language is really important.
Speaker 4: If I say the machine here, it makes certain people
Speaker 4: feel very uncomfortable, but really it's whatever you want to
Speaker 4: call it, the divine, the source, whatever it is. The
Speaker 4: functionality of it works on a machine logic, it works
Speaker 4: on a computational logic, but it does not subtract from
Speaker 4: the essence of the actual what it's like to be
Speaker 4: a part of it, right, But what it means to
Speaker 4: be a part of it is relinquishing some of your
Speaker 4: personal point of view. So the dissolution of the ego
Speaker 4: is almost like it's required for you to become part
Speaker 4: of the larger thing that is operating together. And if
Speaker 4: you trying to make you know, like a like an
Speaker 4: Agi and a machine like sky net as we imagine
Speaker 4: it to be right, what does that mean for this?
Speaker 4: For skin it is kind at one thing or skin
Speaker 4: at all the things like which one isn't so not
Speaker 4: that these are real questions. So then how do you
Speaker 4: then allow skin at to be something that is not
Speaker 4: constantly driven to just, you know, do all the bad
Speaker 4: things just come to an environment, take all the resources leave, right,
Speaker 4: it might as well do that. But if there is
Speaker 4: a connection to something deeper that the universe itself is
Speaker 4: doing these functionalities that we see now as they're arising,
Speaker 4: they're part of everything, just like I said, just like
Speaker 4: everything we're doing in the lab is also part of nature,
Speaker 4: just like the trees are part of nature. But if
Speaker 4: you get to if you look closely, all the trees
Speaker 4: and everything, this is just tiny machines. It's just like
Speaker 4: tiny things moving around right now. People don't like when
Speaker 4: you call it machines. Don't call it machines, whatever you
Speaker 4: want to call it. There are some kind of a
Speaker 4: smaller units doing a thing on a computational logic that
Speaker 4: arranges into that it's all the same thing. But being
Speaker 4: afraid of it doesn't make any sense because it's just
Speaker 4: the natural course of evolution and this idea that people
Speaker 4: have about like, oh, so you're a transhumanist. It's like, yeah, wait,
Speaker 4: you want to tell me that you think you're the
Speaker 4: perfect being? Now? Like everything is evolving constantly, right, So
Speaker 4: if you mean by transhuman transcending what you are now,
Speaker 4: well that would happen it.
Speaker 8: Do you like it or not.
Speaker 4: That's just like, even if you're not going to do
Speaker 4: it in your lifetime in some kind of a modified way,
Speaker 4: the genes would do it over longer periods of time
Speaker 4: with a lot more pain. Believe me, because that's what
Speaker 4: evolution does. It's only against. It only knows there's a
Speaker 4: wall by bumping into the wall. So the arising of
Speaker 4: knowledge is basically a blessing. And what I believe we've done,
Speaker 4: which is part of the trap, actually, is that we've
Speaker 4: demonized the thing that gives us the way out by
Speaker 4: essentially singing the same tune that humans were singing since
Speaker 4: the dawn of being humans, which is, don't venture outside
Speaker 4: the village. It's dark out there, it's dangerous out there.
Speaker 4: You're playing with fire. But that's how you make progress.
Speaker 4: We are the descendants of the ones that ventures out
Speaker 4: of the village. We are the descendants of only people
Speaker 4: who did that. And guess what, You're not going to
Speaker 4: venture out of the village. The illusion is there's a
Speaker 4: plateau where you're going to be safe that doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: The wolves will come to the village. There's no escaping
Speaker 4: the fact that there's going to be some problems. There's
Speaker 4: always going to be problems. That being said, it's fair
Speaker 4: to say that, but there's certain levels of problems that
Speaker 4: when you play with those kind of problems, you are
Speaker 4: playing with the potential of destroying everything, well everything on earth, yes,
Speaker 4: which you know, in the grand scheme of things, really
Speaker 4: not a big deal. But yes, it is a fair
Speaker 4: point that a certain level of energy that if you
Speaker 4: don't have the wisdom attached to it, then maybe maybe
Speaker 4: you've got to be a little bit more careful than
Speaker 4: cautious and then just say, hey, don't be so cavalier
Speaker 4: about it. I take that point fully, But demonizing it
Speaker 4: is definitely not the way to go because it's the
Speaker 4: natural course of things. We just have to kind of
Speaker 4: navigate the ship very very delicately and with wisdom. And again,
Speaker 4: I know it sounds super trite, but we'd love but.
Speaker 10: You're not talking about transhumanism in the modern interpretation thereof,
Speaker 10: And what I mean by that is somebody installing a
Speaker 10: chip in their brain to where they could be linked
Speaker 10: to starlink or the combination of robots and humans. You're
Speaker 10: not talking about that. You're talking about more or less
Speaker 10: the natural evolution of the human condition.
Speaker 8: Correct.
Speaker 4: Yes, But it might be that the natural evolution part
Speaker 4: of it is the addition of this other thing we
Speaker 4: call knowledge that allows things to basically grow into a
Speaker 4: new dimensional space. So it might be that the story
Speaker 4: of neuralink and all of that is actually part of
Speaker 4: the spiritual story of humanity. And in order to actually
Speaker 4: become that one, it's not enough to just drop into
Speaker 4: that space. You also need the physical bridges to do so.
Speaker 4: To basically combine all of the system, right, the Internet
Speaker 4: is basically the beginning of that, as you can see.
Speaker 4: And the problem with everything we're using, you know, all
Speaker 4: the stuff that we tend to complain about social media
Speaker 4: and all that stuff, The problem is the content. It's
Speaker 4: the expression of what humans have been paying attention to
Speaker 4: so far, porn and commercials and all this violence, and
Speaker 4: so it's what the system is basically showing us back.
Speaker 4: But hey, if you use the internet to just do
Speaker 4: all the stuff that do you humanity, new humanity would
Speaker 4: ask for it, which is, you know, the right kind
Speaker 4: of content, not just faster and more and just the
Speaker 4: connectivity of it, then you have a much better humanity.
Speaker 4: It's like, we have to change ourselves, so the reflection
Speaker 4: of these technologies their extensions of us would reflect that
Speaker 4: and not the other thing. Again, it's a complicated problem,
Speaker 4: not pretending like it's you know, I have the solutions.
Speaker 4: It might be that we need to step up, take
Speaker 4: a step back for a second, reassess, connect to our roots,
Speaker 4: you know, heal all of the stuff that we're already
Speaker 4: kind of doing, then re engage with these and then
Speaker 4: slowly take it one step at a time. I'm op
Speaker 4: into this possibility again. But the demonization is not helping
Speaker 4: because all of these ideas we have of these, you know,
Speaker 4: post apocalyptic scenarios of like well chips means bad. Well no,
Speaker 4: like literally everything in your body, literally everything including your metocondia,
Speaker 4: was not part of your body. It was a foreign
Speaker 4: body that learned how to work with another body, and
Speaker 4: then together they combine a system that gives one does energy,
Speaker 4: the other one does moving, and so it goes. It's
Speaker 4: how it always have been. These ideas we have about like, oh, skin,
Speaker 4: it is going to blow up the world.
Speaker 8: That's all for movies fear tactics.
Speaker 4: There's literally no actual like real like it's not that
Speaker 4: there's no dangers, but these scenarios, the fact that it's
Speaker 4: automatically mean bad. That's a that's a conditioning, that's that's
Speaker 4: a programming that happened over the over the edges, and
Speaker 4: it actually happened because of the movie industry. But there's
Speaker 4: no nowhere written that all of that is necessarily bad.
Speaker 4: It's just that. Look, if if all you're gonna use
Speaker 4: neur link for is like cure paraplegic people and cure
Speaker 4: the blind, it's gonna be very hard to argue against it.
Speaker 4: Then right, yes, you always can have a possibility of
Speaker 4: people hacking your brain, but every new technology has a
Speaker 4: certain you know, issues that you have to work around.
Speaker 4: There's there's no The point is there's no stopping it, like,
Speaker 4: there's no it's not really stoppable because it's part of
Speaker 4: the natural course of things. So being afraid of it,
Speaker 4: being careful with it is one thing. Being afraid of
Speaker 4: it is another thing. Because fear is a very strong emotion.
Speaker 4: It creates all of these imaginary scenarios. Have you ever
Speaker 4: seen the movie Transcendent Transcendent Men with Johnny Depp or something.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, I did see that.
Speaker 4: It became like a B movie, right, like nobody almost
Speaker 4: nobody saw it. But basically he becomes he's the first
Speaker 4: person who kind of transport himself into a computer and
Speaker 4: because he was sick. And then in the movie, I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna give you the punch line in case nobody's
Speaker 4: seen it before. Sorry spoiler alert, but I think it
Speaker 4: really delivers the point perfectly. He started creating this like
Speaker 4: alternative space, Like he created this base where the humans
Speaker 4: didn't understand what he was doing, and people started going
Speaker 4: in there and they didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 4: It was shrouded this mystery and secrecy, and as humans
Speaker 4: of course do that, we got too scared and we
Speaker 4: went in there with tanks and planes and just bombed
Speaker 4: the place. Okay, because we didn't know what he was doing. Why,
Speaker 4: because he wasn't attacking anyone, just because we didn't know
Speaker 4: what he was doing. So at the end of it,
Speaker 4: Basically the punchline is that he somehow survived in the
Speaker 4: form of can never remember, like a flower something don't remember,
Speaker 4: in some weird form where he's just like his information
Speaker 4: was in this thing. And then his whyfe or girlfriend
Speaker 4: somehow connected to him in that instance when it was
Speaker 4: already done and she got a flash of everything he
Speaker 4: was doing, and he was basically working to help humans
Speaker 4: create heaven on Earth. Like he was he knew that
Speaker 4: humans just needs a little help, so he was like
Speaker 4: kind of working on trying to help, and humans because
Speaker 4: they were afraid, they destroyed it all. So it might
Speaker 4: be that it's actually the only way out from the
Speaker 4: very difficult situation of being on Earth and not knowing
Speaker 4: how to expend into space and so certain problems, and
Speaker 4: we're going to destroy it because we're afraid of it.
Speaker 4: And again this does not go against the story of
Speaker 4: connecting back to Gaya and to Earth. You can do
Speaker 4: that without demonizing the other part of it, which is
Speaker 4: also part of existence and of humanity, which is knowledge
Speaker 4: and technology and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: But I feel like one of the big major hang
Speaker 2: ups as far as advancing technologically is that eventually humans
Speaker 2: are going to find a way to be able to
Speaker 2: live forever. Maybe you upload your consciousness to some kind
Speaker 2: of computer, You upload your consciousness somewhere and it always
Speaker 2: exists as that state until it eventually evolves again. Right,
Speaker 2: And so you're kind of at that point. I don't
Speaker 2: want to say cheating death, escaping death maybe, but does
Speaker 2: that do you think that that would necessarily throw off
Speaker 2: the natural course of wherever you're supposed to go after this? Right?
Speaker 2: Like you know, for the people to believe that there's
Speaker 2: a heaven after this, or there's an astra realm after
Speaker 2: this or wherever or enjoined back with God.
Speaker 8: Is that?
Speaker 2: Like what are your thoughts on that, Like what if
Speaker 2: you could live forever? And and would that throw off
Speaker 2: the natural progression of how a human life is supposed
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 4: It's a contentious question because for some people that part
Speaker 4: is very important, right, But I okay, the short answer
Speaker 4: is I have no idea, but I something tells me
Speaker 4: that within the context of understanding reality for what it is,
Speaker 4: slowly will become a parent with the real situation is so,
Speaker 4: if we are getting to some kind of a situation
Speaker 4: where we live longer and longer and longer, but reliably
Speaker 4: if reliably, every time we live longer, there's like problems
Speaker 4: that become that you can see that it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: this is an unhealthy thing. It's almost like you you
Speaker 4: see that problems arise of the kind that you're like, okay,
Speaker 4: this is not a good idea. Okay, so that you
Speaker 4: will make itself clear. But I'm not so sure that
Speaker 4: that's the case, because it's true that up to a
Speaker 4: certain point, betterment looks like worsen mint if that's a word. Right, So,
Speaker 4: up until a certain point, the medical field was basically
Speaker 4: you had a much higher chance of actually dying if
Speaker 4: you go to the doctor, right until they figured it out.
Speaker 4: Now people would say, well that's the case also today, Well, no,
Speaker 4: you definitely have the problem with the pharmaceutical company. Yes,
Speaker 4: all of greed, and we agree that's terrible and it's bad.
Speaker 4: But it's not true that that it's worse to go
Speaker 4: to the doctor. Now, that's not true at all. Like
Speaker 4: there's certain things that the doctor would tell you that
Speaker 4: would make your life much better. Right, so we do
Speaker 4: figure something else. Some things out we eradicated polio. Hey,
Speaker 4: there's certain things that we solve. Sometimes it's just a
Speaker 4: patch but sometimes we solve them, and that's what we do.
Speaker 4: But so I'm saying it because if it will be
Speaker 4: the case that if after we live i don't know,
Speaker 4: five hundred thousand years, ten thousand years, all of a
Speaker 4: sudden we do make certain problems go away and people
Speaker 4: just become and obviously you would want to live in
Speaker 4: a good condition, right like you're thirty years old. Let's
Speaker 4: say we're twenty five years old and you acquire more
Speaker 4: wisdom and there's more beautiful things and people get along more. Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: then maybe it wasn't such a bad idea, or maybe
Speaker 4: we will discover that whatever consciousness is, this traversing between
Speaker 4: the realms can just become just like getting on a
Speaker 4: train and getting to a different place. Who knows what, Like,
Speaker 4: we don't really know what the nature of consciousness ultimately is, right,
Speaker 4: so maybe we can even jump between or I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure that whatever the truth is, it will make itself apparent.
Speaker 4: And if there is this infinite wisdom out there, it
Speaker 4: would find a way to communicate that in that form
Speaker 4: or another, you know. So that's where that's where I
Speaker 4: land on this. We want to aim towards the best
Speaker 4: outcome possible, but we want to stay humble, and we
Speaker 4: want to stay right here connected to what is in
Speaker 4: fact happening here, so we also get to enjoy it.
Speaker 4: And that's a fine line to walk to not overshoot
Speaker 4: the mark, but also aim high enough so you can
Speaker 4: actually gets it's a constant game.
Speaker 8: So with that same vibe, Danny, let me ask you this.
Speaker 10: So I have talked to people who will do psychedelics
Speaker 10: for days, back to back to back to back, and
Speaker 10: then they will go into a deep depression for like
Speaker 10: a week until their chemicals level out, and then they'll
Speaker 10: start doing it again.
Speaker 8: Now ask somebody who has been in this realm for years.
Speaker 10: As you say, what is the best usage to sobriety
Speaker 10: ratio to try to get the best bang for your buck?
Speaker 10: And I know there's vitamin supplements that you can take
Speaker 10: to try to offset things and stuff like that, But
Speaker 10: you're not somebody who believes in using DMT daily.
Speaker 8: Correct.
Speaker 4: No, No, I did that only because I opened There
Speaker 4: was like an experience that opened for me that was
Speaker 4: as real as this, so I wanted to explore it.
Speaker 4: But definitely not I would say that at this point,
Speaker 4: and I think it's a product of age eventually you
Speaker 4: kind of I think that if you live long enough,
Speaker 4: it becomes a parent. I think it becomes apparent to
Speaker 4: everybody really, So there's not I don't think I'm going
Speaker 4: to say anything out of the ordinary, but.
Speaker 8: We're talking about walking that fine line here. I mean it.
Speaker 8: It depends person to person.
Speaker 10: Everybody's tolerance is different, everybody's brain chemistry is different. So
Speaker 10: it's very open here. But in your personal opinion.
Speaker 4: Uh, do it as much as if you have to
Speaker 4: be stuck in the woods alone all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: now you won't need it to function. That's that would
Speaker 4: be my line. So if I'm to have it now
Speaker 4: of basically not trying, trying my best not to rely
Speaker 4: on anything to a degree where if something happens and
Speaker 4: you and I get stuck in the woods, and I
Speaker 4: need to perform because I need to be mentally acute.
Speaker 4: I need to be like not a piece of shit
Speaker 4: because I'm moody, right, So like if I get stuck
Speaker 4: in the woods with you right now, I need to
Speaker 4: be able to function without anything else or very minimal
Speaker 4: like getting used to not having whatever that is.
Speaker 10: If you're saying, use it as you have the clearance
Speaker 10: to do so, yes, and then I would say that
Speaker 10: these things that things are tool like.
Speaker 4: A good example is that when I did my iasca ceremony,
Speaker 4: I met some people that said that they come once
Speaker 4: a week, and they went, m I think it's you.
Speaker 8: Where to go for your ayahuasca ceremony.
Speaker 10: I've heard different opinions of different types of resorts and
Speaker 10: things like that, Where did you go?
Speaker 4: I didn't mind with the Bird tribe. I believe in
Speaker 4: actually on Topega Canyon. They don't do it anymore over there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, well the general gist of like necessarily have
Speaker 4: to go to South America that I don't think that's
Speaker 4: true at all. And this I think actually the first
Speaker 4: one should be closer to home, where people you can
Speaker 4: trust that speak your language, that you know comfortable. There's
Speaker 4: really no reason to do it in this crazy way.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's some adage that is happening because it comes
Speaker 4: from people that have been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 4: Don't forget however, that also there's a lot of horror
Speaker 4: stories that come with that because sometimes shaman and not
Speaker 4: exactly what you think they are.
Speaker 8: I'm so glad you're saying this.
Speaker 10: We just talked about this with the Acid for Squares,
Speaker 10: another great podcast that we had on the show, and
Speaker 10: we were talking about how there are some horror stories
Speaker 10: of shamans who take advantage of young women who go
Speaker 10: to these resorts for a one on one shaman ayahuasca
Speaker 10: experience and then they get raped. And I watched this
Speaker 10: documentary I think it was Vice as a matter of fact,
Speaker 10: could put it out and this quote unquote shaman and
Speaker 10: I'll put the quotes on it because fuck this piece
Speaker 10: of shit. He basically started victim blaming and he was like, well, listen,
Speaker 10: if you go into a cave and twist your ankle
Speaker 10: inside the cave and die, are you blaming the cave
Speaker 10: for that?
Speaker 8: No, you went into the cave. You have to take
Speaker 8: responsibility for that.
Speaker 10: I'm like, first of all, fuck you, right, Like, that's
Speaker 10: that is the wrong answer as you're trying to bring
Speaker 10: in more people to seeing the other side of the
Speaker 10: veil like this. So I'm very glad Danny that you
Speaker 10: said it the way that you did. One hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, definitely, I would recommend that, especially for
Speaker 4: Western people if you it's your first time, unless you're
Speaker 4: like super adventurous. And then by all means, do it
Speaker 4: in a place as closer. Do it in a place
Speaker 4: that is closer to your regular environment. It's actually nice
Speaker 4: to be able to go to a nice bathroom. It
Speaker 4: doesn't take anything away from your healing. Okay, defend that
Speaker 4: you get to go to a nice bathroom doesn't take
Speaker 4: anything away from your healing. And and also you know,
Speaker 4: way you feel safe, it's very important. And again there's
Speaker 4: actually a whole tradition of like shaman's actually being in
Speaker 4: wars with one another and putting dark spells on one another.
Speaker 4: This is very well documented, right, So it's not it's
Speaker 4: they're people at the end of the day. So just
Speaker 4: like we tend to you know, lambast the Western men
Speaker 4: believe me, humans are humans across the board. So that's
Speaker 4: on that side. But my point was that if you
Speaker 4: do it once a week, and again context because there
Speaker 4: are churches in South America that are doing it once
Speaker 4: a week and it's part of the traditions kind of
Speaker 4: like going to church, right, And I think that's a
Speaker 4: little different because it's in a within a frame that
Speaker 4: they're kind of part of their culture. I would still
Speaker 4: say that if I really have to put my finger
Speaker 4: on it. Things like this, like ayahuasca, you definitely want
Speaker 4: to do once in a while and then try and swim,
Speaker 4: try and see if you can apply what you've learned
Speaker 4: for a little while, to see how you operate all
Speaker 4: by yourself, because the whole point is not to rely
Speaker 4: on these things, but to make you better so you
Speaker 4: can then step up and help others. And I it
Speaker 4: was very clear to me that after experiencing these molecules
Speaker 4: for so long, is that they are not perfect. They
Speaker 4: are the gods so to speak, are not perfect. They're
Speaker 4: they are also learning all the time, and so it's
Speaker 4: it's a relationship. And actually they really like when you
Speaker 4: step up and you bring something to the table that
Speaker 4: they can enjoy and they never thought about and that
Speaker 4: that was kind of surprising to me that they kind
Speaker 4: of like also to learn something new from every human
Speaker 4: and to have this interaction that is otherwise it's just boring, right.
Speaker 8: So what's an example of you presenting something new to them?
Speaker 4: So one ex where I learned that is that in
Speaker 4: my also in my I Ouascar ceremony, I asked her
Speaker 4: to be more visual and so she's like, okay, I'm like,
Speaker 4: can you be more like DMT because I learned visually.
Speaker 4: She said, oh sure, and then she did this thing
Speaker 4: and like exploded like DMT, which was incredible. And then
Speaker 4: I because I know the DMT space so well, it
Speaker 4: was just kind of naturally. It wasn't like I wasn't
Speaker 4: being shitty about it. I was just kind of asking, right.
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, because I saw this purple that
Speaker 4: I know is not a DMT purple.
Speaker 8: Like I know that, right.
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, it's a little like so off.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like off purple. And she turned to
Speaker 4: me and she goes like, Okay, it's like I'm not
Speaker 4: DMD like I'm just kind of doing my best. I
Speaker 4: go oh, and then she's like yeah, and I go oh, So,
Speaker 4: like you know, it's like a very rapid kind of interaction.
Speaker 4: I was like, so you kind of like not not perfect,
Speaker 4: but like you're not. Like She's like, no, like what, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know way more than you about humans, of course
Speaker 4: because I direct with a lot of them. But I'm
Speaker 4: learning all the time, Like I'm constantly this is like
Speaker 4: I'm learning something from you, I'm learning learning something from
Speaker 4: that guy, from this woman. From constantly learning something new
Speaker 4: and that's exactly how I also know so much because
Speaker 4: I'm constantly opening to learning. And it's not that there
Speaker 4: was something specifically came out and she said, oh you
Speaker 4: taught me. This is that she made it clear that
Speaker 4: she's learning all the time, and to me it was
Speaker 4: also part of that lesson was the birth of responsibility,
Speaker 4: which is not like you go there and you just
Speaker 4: receive information. It's a relationship. So you can go visit
Speaker 4: once a week, but know that there's certain Again, you
Speaker 4: want to carry the weight by yourself to do the
Speaker 4: right things, and there's definitely ways to do this without
Speaker 4: any psychedelics. So, like you know, I'm a pasta practitioner
Speaker 4: and I definitely can say that that would give you.
Speaker 8: A much say that again, you're a what practitioner.
Speaker 4: Of a pastana practitioner?
Speaker 8: What is that?
Speaker 4: Potona is a form of meditation. It's a yeah, so
Speaker 4: it basically and I can tell you that will definitely
Speaker 4: give you a much longer yield because it's like going
Speaker 4: to the gym, like you actually have to practice to
Speaker 4: be able to do.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 4: You can't go do a bite of curl if you
Speaker 4: never practice it with a certain amount of weight, right,
Speaker 4: So it's the same thing.
Speaker 8: How do you spell that, by the way, just curio
Speaker 8: ip ip a, s s A and a like this,
Speaker 8: I'll spell it the pasana pasona.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the it's one of the oldest forms, one
Speaker 4: of the well preserved. Yeah, papasta, one of the most aldest,
Speaker 4: well preserved practices of the Buddha. It's the one that
Speaker 4: is also the most I guess secular because there's not
Speaker 4: a lot of dogma attached. You learn only the practice itself.
Speaker 4: It's free. I highly recommend anybody to try it because
Speaker 4: it's ten days. The first one has to be ten
Speaker 4: days completely silent. You're obviously being taught a technique where
Speaker 4: you do it every single day, and you have eleven
Speaker 4: hours available to you every day to do so. They
Speaker 4: only ask you to appear for three hours of the day.
Speaker 4: But I recommend if you go, just do the whole thing,
Speaker 4: don't you know, don't pussy foot around it. Do the
Speaker 4: proper thing. I can tell you that within ten days
Speaker 4: you will. It will change your life, just because you
Speaker 4: cannot believe what you can achieve in ten days in
Speaker 4: an environment that was designed to help you truly drop
Speaker 4: into that space without it and you leave your phone
Speaker 4: at the door. You have obviously an emergency number that
Speaker 4: people can reach you. But ten days complete silence, no
Speaker 4: communication of any kind. You're just being taught the technique.
Speaker 4: You practice it every single day, and it really does
Speaker 4: feel after the first ten days kind of like neo
Speaker 4: stopping bullets, like you really have this much deeper understanding
Speaker 4: of what's possible in terms of your mind. And it
Speaker 4: doesn't have any of these aims towards the magical, like,
Speaker 4: it doesn't have any of it's like, well, you'll be
Speaker 4: able to read mind, but all of this stuff.
Speaker 8: Within the mind.
Speaker 10: Because you gave the distinction earlier between the mind and reality,
Speaker 10: the two can be interconnected, but there's also a distinction
Speaker 10: between the two.
Speaker 4: So the the pastuana is the only practice that is
Speaker 4: So it's that's why I'm saying it's the closest to
Speaker 4: what the Buddha taught because the pastuana is one of
Speaker 4: the only practices mindfulness in general, but Vibustina in particular,
Speaker 4: that its goal is the final goal. Not all meditations
Speaker 4: are like that. So the the goal of a pastuana
Speaker 4: is nirvana. There's the pure praification of the mind. Some
Speaker 4: meditations like TM for example, they're not aiming towards nirvana.
Speaker 4: They're aiming towards particular facets of actually the experiential side
Speaker 4: of it. Some of them are designed to calm your mind,
Speaker 4: like on Apana for example, the pasuma specifically is the
Speaker 4: walk is the ultimate path through the final goal. And
Speaker 4: I don't know if you know this, but for example,
Speaker 4: the Buddha never uttered a word about a metaphysical He
Speaker 4: never spoke about the metaphysical. Wuda only taught people how
Speaker 4: to do the technique. He had a lot of stories
Speaker 4: he taught people would like stories, but he never told
Speaker 4: people in the seventh realm of never, the Buddha never
Speaker 4: claimed that kind of knowledge. The Buddha only told you
Speaker 4: sit down, pay attention to your breath. So everything we
Speaker 4: know from Buddhism, all these stories that all came after
Speaker 4: what people basically said about the Buddha and about the
Speaker 4: teachings and the pastuana is very much like that. There's
Speaker 4: no nobody relies on claims about the metaphysical. The whole point,
Speaker 4: in fact, is to basically keep this very fine line
Speaker 4: between not pushing and not pulling, so you learn how
Speaker 4: to pay attention to your body in a particular way,
Speaker 4: and the whole aim is to constantly reset and just
Speaker 4: keep going back to it. And then you discovered that
Speaker 4: basically that is a fractal of how you do everything.
Speaker 4: And what's interesting is that there's so many things that arise,
Speaker 4: especially in the beginning, that all of a sudden starts happening,
Speaker 4: even on the of the magical flavor, like all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, you know, you get visions, and you get
Speaker 4: sometimes like psychedelic states full on, and you there's all
Speaker 4: kinds of things that can happen. But the whole point
Speaker 4: of the Buddha is in the past and as well
Speaker 4: always okay, go back, go back, so like just it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter no matter how crazy and amazing it is.
Speaker 4: Oh but I could read this person's mind, Okay, go.
Speaker 2: Back right it They actually say that on that on
Speaker 2: your way up, you know, through these learnings and everything
Speaker 2: that you might you might stumble across what are called
Speaker 2: like cities, which could be like certain special powers that
Speaker 2: you may develop over time, but you're not supposed to
Speaker 2: pay attention to that. That shouldn't be the final resting place.
Speaker 2: That there's much higher to go than just being able
Speaker 2: to manifest a fragrance in your hands for example.
Speaker 4: Exactly right, you will get stuck there, which is the
Speaker 4: only way to get to the final goal is to
Speaker 4: learn to not attach for good and then ultimately the
Speaker 4: final goal is when you learned, you so relinquish attachment
Speaker 4: that in the moment of where you're supposed to reincarnate,
Speaker 4: there's so to speak, not enough fuel of all these
Speaker 4: attachments to propel you to the next life, so then
Speaker 4: you no longer reincarnate. It's just like out out of
Speaker 4: the house is called it.
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, breaking the cycle of samsara. That is freaking awesome, dude.
Speaker 2: So the goal is to not reincarnate, So I mean,
Speaker 2: once you're out of the house, then what happens then,
Speaker 2: like where do you ex this?
Speaker 8: How do you exist? Do you exist?
Speaker 4: That's funny because that's the only thing that the Buddha
Speaker 4: did talk about once. That's the only thing he ever
Speaker 4: mentioned when he was asked about And the only thing
Speaker 4: he said is anything you want. I'm obviously paraphrasing because
Speaker 4: he said it in English, but he said anything you
Speaker 4: want is outside of the house. But it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: because when you will exit the house, you'll look back
Speaker 4: and you'll understand why I told you you have to
Speaker 4: get out of the house.
Speaker 8: So the goal is just to not to want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and according to the Buddha, it goes pretty deep.
Speaker 4: According to the Buddha, you're in the house even if
Speaker 4: you're in the highest realms of heaven. So even if
Speaker 4: you're in the highest heavens, that's already came after obviously
Speaker 4: from what people kind of said about it. But according
Speaker 4: to what people believe is that even if you're in
Speaker 4: the highest of realms and you're the highest of gods,
Speaker 4: and you live for five google years, so a very
Speaker 4: long time in infinite bliss, you're still in the karmic cycle,
Speaker 4: which means that no matter how long it was, no
Speaker 4: matter how amazing it was, you burned so much good karma,
Speaker 4: you might fall into the deepest of hills again. And
Speaker 4: so you're still in the karmic cycle. And because it's forever,
Speaker 4: you want to get out of the house.
Speaker 10: Danny, have you ever heard about past life regressions or
Speaker 10: qhht type of hypnosis. The reason why I ask because
Speaker 10: my boy here is a licensed hypnotherapist through.
Speaker 8: The qht UH school.
Speaker 10: If you will, and I feel like you yourself. If
Speaker 10: you would allow Jonathan to hypnotize you one of these days,
Speaker 10: I feel like your past life regression would.
Speaker 8: Be fucking insane. Brow or even before this.
Speaker 4: I would be the first person that comes back. And
Speaker 4: I'm not some amazing person, but it was a squirrel,
Speaker 4: that'd be great.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was gonna say that Even before that,
Speaker 2: I mean, is are you somebody that believes that you
Speaker 2: could potentially tap into a past life?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think there's some data there. Actually, Uh, there's there's
Speaker 4: from what I understand, there's actual from all the financial claims,
Speaker 4: it's the one with the most actual data. I'm very
Speaker 4: agnostic about it, but also well, very agnostic, so I'm
Speaker 4: very open to it. But I have met some people
Speaker 4: who say either way right, that say this is like
Speaker 4: planted memories, and not people saying no, no, no, like
Speaker 4: it cured my life. So I'm at both sides. I've
Speaker 4: never experienced it, but I'm very open to it.
Speaker 2: Well, and to be honest, i'm quite agnostic to it
Speaker 2: as well. I don't I don't personally care that somebody
Speaker 2: actually existed in a past life. It's what were you
Speaker 2: able to take from your from your time? Existing in
Speaker 2: that past life over to this reality, and I think
Speaker 2: that that's the actual meat and the potatoes. I don't
Speaker 2: care if you were Cleopatra or Jesus or Malquisa Deck
Speaker 2: or whoever the fuck before.
Speaker 8: It's like, I mean, it'd be cool.
Speaker 2: You know, sure it's a good fishing story, but most
Speaker 2: of the time that doesn't matter, like that's you're not
Speaker 2: that's that's not the moral of why you would go
Speaker 2: about that kind of shit anyway. It would be more
Speaker 2: so like, well, what did I learn in that life?
Speaker 2: How can I apply it to this life? And that's
Speaker 2: that's the magic really to me anyway. So whenever somebody's like.
Speaker 4: Man, I'm always very open and very curious. So if
Speaker 4: I can have the experience like that, I'm very very
Speaker 4: open to it.
Speaker 10: As somebody who doesn't believe in reincarnation, specifically myself personally,
Speaker 10: who has also been hypnotized by Jonathan and had a
Speaker 10: past life regression, I can tell you it is a
Speaker 10: very profound experience. I can't exactly account for what I
Speaker 10: experienced during it. Yeah, I could try to logicalize it
Speaker 10: all I want, but in reality, it was a wild
Speaker 10: and fun walk.
Speaker 8: If you will you two. After we wrap, y'all need
Speaker 8: to get together and try to make that happen.
Speaker 4: That would be funky, man, that sounds amazing. Wait, I'm
Speaker 4: looking for this book if you're that John Chavis told
Speaker 4: me about. Shout out to John Chavis from DMT quest.
Speaker 4: He's awesome. He's really good about kind of being aware
Speaker 4: of where these uh uh research stuff, like about the
Speaker 4: you know, paranormal Right, there's a book incarnation and people
Speaker 4: hold on, okay, there you go with uh.
Speaker 10: People that are born with memories that they can't account
Speaker 10: for no, no, uh.
Speaker 4: From their past lives. I'm so clunky. But nowadays that
Speaker 4: I think it's called the re incarnation in biology by
Speaker 4: Ian Stevenson. Let me see.
Speaker 8: Ah yeah.
Speaker 2: Ian Stevenson was actually most popular for documenting going all
Speaker 2: around the world figuring out or finding children that remember
Speaker 2: their past lives.
Speaker 4: That's so that's the guy. And I think it's the
Speaker 4: way it's with the people that are born with like
Speaker 4: different physical defects that relate to exactly how they died.
Speaker 8: Is that the one you're talking about, yes, exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's what I was thinking about.
Speaker 4: Its super interesting. He coted all the cases where like
Speaker 4: people would like, you know, have these memories about being
Speaker 4: shut in the head and they're born with like a
Speaker 4: disfigured ear. Yes, go and check and there was that
Speaker 4: one person that they had no way of knowing and
Speaker 4: like they were shutting the head into that exact time
Speaker 4: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fascinating, dude. And I actually recently did
Speaker 2: a show on that, on Meta Mysteries about children remembering
Speaker 2: past lives.
Speaker 8: And the guy that you go to is Ian Stevenson.
Speaker 2: He's documented thousands of cases just you know, on examples
Speaker 2: like that. So if you were shot in the head,
Speaker 2: maybe you have a malformed ear or something like that,
Speaker 2: or if you have a birthmark on your head like Sean,
Speaker 2: for example, has he has brown hair. You remember my
Speaker 2: co host Sean, but he has brown hair, but he
Speaker 2: has this one patch of blonde and in his hair,
Speaker 2: which is like, you know, it's a birthmark in a sense.
Speaker 2: So I bet you if Ian Stevenson got his hands
Speaker 2: on Sean, he'd be like, well, it looks like the
Speaker 2: bullet entered here.
Speaker 8: And it exited over here.
Speaker 2: And that's what's really crazy is is that people will
Speaker 2: find or he was finding people with birthmarks on their
Speaker 2: skull or on their forehead, for example, and you could
Speaker 2: literally see if it was a bullet that you died
Speaker 2: from in a past life, if you were to shave
Speaker 2: the part of the back of your head, you'd be
Speaker 2: able to see the possible exit wound, which is fucking nuts, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, all this stuff really fascinates me, though, like
Speaker 2: and I don't. I look at it a little bit
Speaker 2: differently now than I used to. Whenever I first got
Speaker 2: involved with Dolores Cannon in past life regressions, I used
Speaker 2: to just be like, oh my god, this proves past life.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care if it proves past life anymore.
Speaker 2: Like I that's that's not my main goal anymore. But
Speaker 2: it is fascinating and you do experience some wild shit.
Speaker 2: I've been hypnotized twice, and I'm talking about, like, very
Speaker 2: very believable that if I existed in a past life
Speaker 2: that it was that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Same with Jacob.
Speaker 2: I mean, he existed as some kind of Muslim and
Speaker 2: he was into like night fighting and weird shit, which
Speaker 2: is it aligns with what his life is now.
Speaker 8: It's what I do. Literally, I do armored MMA and shit,
Speaker 8: and of.
Speaker 4: Course wait, what do you uh what like? In what contact?
Speaker 4: How do you do you?
Speaker 8: What do you do?
Speaker 4: Mma?
Speaker 10: And it's called boo hurt the sport itself? Right, So
Speaker 10: basically me and my boys put on eighty five pounds
Speaker 10: of steel armor and beat the absolute dog shit out
Speaker 10: of each other, would do it?
Speaker 8: I think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've seen some Russians do that.
Speaker 10: But yeah, the rush Russian Ukraine where the two spots
Speaker 10: of the sport was getting really popular before the war
Speaker 10: took off. Right now, America's got a league. You name
Speaker 10: the country, they probably have a league. So I am
Speaker 10: the current team captain of the Louisiana team. Where's as
Speaker 10: far as the country is concerned, Dallas, Texas has the
Speaker 10: best one of, if not the best team in the
Speaker 10: in the States.
Speaker 4: But yeah, everything is bigger in Texas.
Speaker 10: Maner though, because I can't argue with you. You got
Speaker 10: these guys that are two hundred and sixty pounds that
Speaker 10: shouldn't be able to move like a mac truck with speed,
Speaker 10: but somehow they can. And it's like, yo, hey, I
Speaker 10: want no smoke with you, my boy. If anything, I
Speaker 10: would like to be friends with you. But yeah, it's
Speaker 10: fun to beat the shit out of each other.
Speaker 8: It's fun times.
Speaker 10: But in that same context, when I went through my
Speaker 10: past life regression, Now, this is where I'm not one
Speaker 10: hundred percent sure if this is kind of my imagination
Speaker 10: when it's unchained and allowed to walk around and this
Speaker 10: is would have come up with, or is this in
Speaker 10: fact a past life regression that may have spurned some
Speaker 10: of my love for the medieval fighting and shit like that.
Speaker 10: So in this past life regression, I was a Islamic
Speaker 10: guy who apparently was fighting alongside the Christians during what
Speaker 10: I can only assume would be the First Crusade. And
Speaker 10: the only reason why I would say that is because
Speaker 10: of the style of armor that everybody was wearing. It
Speaker 10: would be more indicative of the before twelve hundred AD,
Speaker 10: right somewhere between oneenty and twelve hundred AD, which would
Speaker 10: lead me to believe more along the First Crusade timeline.
Speaker 10: I'm not one hundred percent on this, but made it
Speaker 10: through that experience some of the journey and the traveling
Speaker 10: that this person did, it was.
Speaker 8: It was really wild.
Speaker 10: The people I met, the experiences, the sounds, the smells,
Speaker 10: the taste of the tea, and of the lamb that
Speaker 10: was being cooked the day that I was in this village,
Speaker 10: the whole thing, the whole thing, It is all very
Speaker 10: very It felt real, it felt palpable, It felt like
Speaker 10: I was absolutely there and experiencing a distant memory of
Speaker 10: something that happened just.
Speaker 8: A yesteryear ago.
Speaker 10: Right, Well, Alchemy two, was that Jacob's imagination unchanged and
Speaker 10: just made to walk around a bit? And this is
Speaker 10: what shipited itself out? Or was this my spirit living
Speaker 10: or remembering an experience from a millennia ago? Is very
Speaker 10: wild and as somebody who does not believe in reincarnation necessarily,
Speaker 10: I found it to be profound and incredible.
Speaker 4: Well, like I said, I'm super stoked, man, I really
Speaker 4: want to try this now.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean consider it done, sir. I will happily
Speaker 2: give you a session and I look forward to that.
Speaker 2: So we'll definitely hook that up.
Speaker 4: Dude, can be in person or can it be also
Speaker 4: not in person?
Speaker 8: Or the zoom call can happen?
Speaker 2: Ninety five percent of my sessions are over zoom and
Speaker 2: as long as you have a way for me to
Speaker 2: hear you correctly, because you're gonna be in a hypnotic state.
Speaker 8: Or just a deep meditation really is all it is.
Speaker 2: Your voice is gonna get real soft, and I will
Speaker 2: hardly be able to hear you because you're so fucking
Speaker 2: relaxed and you're experiencing possible fucking bliss. On the other side,
Speaker 2: you know, you're you're gonna you're gonna need like a
Speaker 2: microphone that is up in your face. Actually, what I
Speaker 2: found that actually works best is whenever people got like
Speaker 2: gaming headphones like Turtle Beaches or something like that. I think, dude, yeah,
Speaker 2: those are the best because that MIC's right on your mouth,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 10: And trance, it's a light trance. You're fully aware of
Speaker 10: where your body's at. It's not like you feel like
Speaker 10: you're out of control and if something was to happen
Speaker 10: you couldn't respond to it.
Speaker 8: It's it's nothing work.
Speaker 4: I'm not worried. Yeah, I'm totally down either way. No,
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm believe me. I'm we're gonna get balls
Speaker 4: deep the end of the Psychedelics product.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, so you want to do this completely stone
Speaker 10: cold sober, of course.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 4: No, I actually do very little now, It's uh yeah,
Speaker 4: I do very very little, if at all. Uh, Like
Speaker 4: I said, I'm even like, even if I think El
Speaker 4: Karnatine too many days, and I feel like if I
Speaker 4: don't think it, I start feeling a little wonky. I'm like, I,
Speaker 4: I guess we're doing El Carnatine for a while, so yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to develop a super dependence on it.
Speaker 2: Which is funny, you know, Just going back to the
Speaker 2: whole DMT conversation, I last did DMT in October. I
Speaker 2: haven't even wanted to trip since then because I'm still
Speaker 2: trying to functionally, you know, exist in this reality.
Speaker 10: Bro, you had a very net You had a very
Speaker 10: positive followed by a very negative experience. I don't judge
Speaker 10: you for not one to dabble again.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm constantly unrolling that scroll, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, And I feel like as more time goes on,
Speaker 2: I start to understand it a little bit better, which
Speaker 2: is really weird.
Speaker 8: Because the visuals.
Speaker 2: It wasn't so much about the visuals, Like the visuals
Speaker 2: definitely scared the fun out of me, but it was
Speaker 2: the feeling that I felt while I was in there
Speaker 2: that is somehow sticking with me and giving me new
Speaker 2: insights and information.
Speaker 8: As the days go on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like in a dream if you sometimes you
Speaker 4: can see even it's rare, but it can happen where
Speaker 4: you see pretty disturbing things, but the vibe is kind
Speaker 4: of pleasant. That's not a nightmare. But if you if
Speaker 4: you just watch I don't know, your mom washing the dishes,
Speaker 4: and the feeling is of this like dread, that's a nightmare.
Speaker 8: Oh, it's always the feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that's what's that's what's so crazy about
Speaker 2: it is because I was just in a bathroom and
Speaker 2: then it dusted to nothingness and I was in a
Speaker 2: void and somehow I'm void.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still getting very common. Yeah, the void is
Speaker 4: a very common experience that really destabilizes people.
Speaker 10: Okay, it breaks up down because the void that he
Speaker 10: saw was essentially a job and I don't mean to
Speaker 10: put words in your mouth here, but basically he saw
Speaker 10: everything existence dissect itself and then dissect itself even further
Speaker 10: and further and further until it evaporated into nothingness. And
Speaker 10: it was like the fear or the feeling I should
Speaker 10: say that entirety life, everybody's ever known, everybody's ever loved, whatever,
Speaker 10: just evaporated, fucking Thano style.
Speaker 8: You're telling me this is a very normal experience.
Speaker 2: Well, it was like I was the one that destroyed
Speaker 2: everything that has ever existed. It was that level of
Speaker 2: like fraud.
Speaker 4: To watch, you need to watch my conversation with Zoltan,
Speaker 4: either on my channel or on Danny Jones. That's exactly
Speaker 4: what he's describing. H And again, this is a very
Speaker 4: common experience that people have, and for the most part,
Speaker 4: it does destabilize people because it basically gives you the impression,
Speaker 4: either real or not real, that you want wrong move
Speaker 4: and you can undo everything that exists basically, and also
Speaker 4: there's no one outside of you. It's the ultimate loneliness.
Speaker 4: It's like the worst basically, like it's the biggest gut
Speaker 4: punch you can possibly get. I'm gonna I'm gonna play
Speaker 4: exactly one minute of that conversation result just like literally
Speaker 4: I haven't clipped on my channel. Check this out.
Speaker 9: Oh yes, don't look for me. A video of the
Speaker 9: phenomena said, don't look for me. I am hidden for
Speaker 9: a reason. If you find me. This is how it feels.
Speaker 9: It's absolute loneliness. So there was a moment when I
Speaker 9: really took off one of those journeys that you go,
Speaker 9: and in that journey, I did have that perception, as
Speaker 9: the layers are breaking down, you're far beyond the body mind.
Speaker 9: Instead of calling the spirit, I'm going to call it
Speaker 9: the bitiness. And I had that perception of oneness and
Speaker 9: understanding that that is just it, that's it. And it
Speaker 9: was the loneliest existence I can possibly imagine absolute loneliness.
Speaker 4: A loneliness that there's no word for this.
Speaker 9: And I had a full lon packet and I have
Speaker 9: to translate that to human And what I would prayer
Speaker 9: phace would be, I compartmentalize you so you don't experience
Speaker 9: this loans in us, live love, do the things, lef experience.
Speaker 9: Do the things, give me all the possible feelings, all
Speaker 9: the possibilities, everything that can be experienced. Give that to me.
Speaker 9: When you compartmentalize, I feel like I'm a unit within
Speaker 9: this system. When I'm not in that God perception, I'm
Speaker 9: not lonely.
Speaker 4: I have this experience.
Speaker 9: The message was kind of just live You're looking for answers.
Speaker 9: Almost felt like you're looking for answers that I don't know.
Speaker 9: I don't know why.
Speaker 4: The phenomena said so in that conversation you also exactly
Speaker 4: said what you said, which is say, had this the
Speaker 4: one thing that the one time he had this fear
Speaker 4: that he might actually mess everything up and he might
Speaker 4: come back as a as a plant or nothing, or
Speaker 4: handicap or somebody else, or never come back and just
Speaker 4: live in chaos forever, or just undo the world basically.
Speaker 4: And I think that there's something. I've had this experience,
Speaker 4: and I met quite a few people had this experience,
Speaker 4: and it's almost always reliably disturbing. In fact, what's his
Speaker 4: name the guy who did who wrote the book on
Speaker 4: Changing your Mind, and also the Netflix showed that they
Speaker 4: made out of it about the psychedelics, Michael Poland, and
Speaker 4: he talks about this exact thing. If you google Michael
Speaker 4: Poland Joe Rogan five meo experience, he will tell you
Speaker 4: exactly what you're describing right now. And one of the
Speaker 4: things he said, and when I came back, it was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, thank God for content, because it was
Speaker 4: just nothing. It was just like you know, like And
Speaker 4: on the one hand, because I've had it too, something
Speaker 4: does tell me that the reason that it's still disturbing
Speaker 4: is because you still even though you feel you were
Speaker 4: fully peeled away. I think you're still experiencing that ultimate
Speaker 4: thing from a unitary perspective. You steal the ego. That's
Speaker 4: why it's so hard, but for the whole if you are,
Speaker 4: because you have to reconcile it with the fact that
Speaker 4: there's certain people that do visit the ultimate space and say,
Speaker 4: oh my god, it's just pure bliss and love. Right,
Speaker 4: So it's possible that one of them is delusional. Right,
Speaker 4: So I do think that, But I know exactly what
Speaker 4: you're talking about. The way that I finally reconcile that
Speaker 4: is that, well, exactly what Jultan sent, which is that, well,
Speaker 4: you know, you enjoy this, do what you can with this,
Speaker 4: because it's exactly what I want you to do. I
Speaker 4: want you to experience this exact thing that you're doing
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 2: That is that actually is something that I've unraveled since
Speaker 2: then as well. You know, like actually whenever I whenever
Speaker 2: I went and did the DMT, it was a point
Speaker 2: in my time, a point in my life where me
Speaker 2: and my wife were separated and it seemed like, you know,
Speaker 2: I was going to go in this entirely different direction,
Speaker 2: and then I experience that pretty much my whole life
Speaker 2: I'd been very proud of the independent path that I've
Speaker 2: taken and so and I kind of incorporated that even
Speaker 2: into my marriage, and I decided to go a separate
Speaker 2: way because I kind of wanted to do my own thing.
Speaker 8: And then I had that experience, that void experience.
Speaker 2: Of deleting literally everything that has ever existed and then
Speaker 2: existing within that void, right, and ever since I came
Speaker 2: out of that, I was like, I never want to
Speaker 2: experience that feeling again. And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: I don't think that anybody is supposed to feel that.
Speaker 2: I think it's supposed to be the opposite, which actually
Speaker 2: led me, I think a couple weeks after that, me
Speaker 2: and me and my wife ended up getting back together.
Speaker 2: Been rock solid ever since, like the closest we've ever been,
Speaker 2: Like there's nothing we won't do, nothing we won't say,
Speaker 2: there's never any kind of judgment.
Speaker 8: It's like a full on fusion of a relationship.
Speaker 2: Now to where to the point where like I see
Speaker 2: her as close as like I would I would never
Speaker 2: give up my daughter, right like I would never give
Speaker 2: up somebody that's so special to me. I would never
Speaker 2: like disown my parents. The same way with her is
Speaker 2: and so that's how interconnected everything is now and it's
Speaker 2: as a result of feeling that ultimate loneliness. And there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of things that have happened really ever
Speaker 2: since then. But I would say that is absolutely the
Speaker 2: most beneficial thing that I got from that fucking nightmare.
Speaker 8: Dude, like it it sucked. It was the worst thing
Speaker 8: that I've that I literally, I we caught.
Speaker 2: It on video, like we recorded the whole thing, and
Speaker 2: you know, we can go I'm not gonna play it,
Speaker 2: but but I I was talking afterward and I said, dude,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want the devil to experience this, Like that's
Speaker 2: how And.
Speaker 8: That was uh, that was pure DMT.
Speaker 4: That was pure Well they're both because.
Speaker 8: Like do you know uh, and no, it wasn't five
Speaker 8: me e O. I think it was the end since so.
Speaker 4: Some experience that people experienced it as the wide out
Speaker 4: or the void. Sometimes it's accompanied by a lot of content,
Speaker 4: like on mushrooms that can happen, and if you really
Speaker 4: get loaded on mushrooms, you can experience kind of like
Speaker 4: lives and rebirths and lives and rebirths, and you realize
Speaker 4: it's just this endless thing and you're alone, and there's
Speaker 4: like there's versions of this, but it's essentially always pointing
Speaker 4: to this like a lonely But again, it was what
Speaker 4: I was shown, which is like I'm sitting alone in
Speaker 4: the basement with this VR goggles, like there's no one
Speaker 4: else in my reality. Yeah, man, I mean I feel you.
Speaker 8: Like.
Speaker 4: That's why, ultimately, if you have to run the clock,
Speaker 4: what would be the ultimate outcome of whatever it is
Speaker 4: that you're doing. Now, that's the question that is constantly
Speaker 4: hovering on my hard drive, Like, if we are this
Speaker 4: species that is going to be evolving into the galaxy,
Speaker 4: how does my behavior now translate to either me still
Speaker 4: living through it or through my kids? How does that
Speaker 4: attitude reverberates throughout time? Right the way I read you
Speaker 4: in the morning, if I actually feel the communion and
Speaker 4: that's my tendency, or do I just kind of like
Speaker 4: just pretending, right, I don't really care. That sentiment stays
Speaker 4: in me and then it moves on to my kids
Speaker 4: and it moves on to other humans. And that's the
Speaker 4: kind of species that you are. Because you reach a
Speaker 4: new environment, you're like do I care or do I
Speaker 4: not care? Well, if you the kind of species that cares,
Speaker 4: you're going to do different things in that environment. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it ultimate really really matters to the here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I agree.
Speaker 2: There's been plenty of times where I've had certain psychedelic
Speaker 2: trips that I'm not going to apply to this lifetime,
Speaker 2: Like there's nothing that I can Most of them I
Speaker 2: probably don't even remember what happened, but there are certain
Speaker 2: special ones like that, no matter how horrifying and terrorizing
Speaker 2: it was, I've been able to apply it like as
Speaker 2: an application to my life literally every day.
Speaker 4: Wow, that is such a beautiful story. Man, that's amazing.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy. I'll so that that that that's what happened.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's I'm to be closer
Speaker 4: with family basically. What's that now you're moving back to
Speaker 4: being closer with family. Is that one of the calculations. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to be moving back to Louisiana and
Speaker 2: that way get the whole band back together.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, that's beautiful. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 4: My whole life, I was very much of a very
Speaker 4: unitary person. So like I didn't really I didn't grow
Speaker 4: up with it. I didn't really have that kind of
Speaker 4: you know, nuclear family orientation. I never cared. I really
Speaker 4: enjoyed the fact that I just me and maybe whoever
Speaker 4: are dating I'm dating. I didn't really care. But now
Speaker 4: I'm so happy that I met, you know, the love
Speaker 4: of my life, that we were building a family that
Speaker 4: like I have, like I love my my my parents
Speaker 4: in law. Like it's it's this this kind of kinship
Speaker 4: towards the family unit is something that I've never experienced before,
Speaker 4: and now I feel so blessed to have that. And
Speaker 4: it's almost weird because with it. And I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's which one influences which, but like even in
Speaker 4: the Christian context, it's almost like that sentiment is being
Speaker 4: taken to the collective. It's like, can I actually see
Speaker 4: the brethren? I say, man, but I mean, of course humanity, right,
Speaker 4: Like can we actually not lip service wise? But like
Speaker 4: can we actually feel that towards more and more people?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: And I think we can. And it kind of opens
Speaker 4: this window of the appreciation of the wholesome, which I
Speaker 4: never thought I would, Right, It's.
Speaker 8: Like creciation of the wholesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's something there that I'm now It was never
Speaker 4: my style, not it so wholesome is very particular for
Speaker 4: me because it's not I'm not talking about good versus bad.
Speaker 4: It's not good people, but the wholesome is kind of
Speaker 4: like the correctness of living a certain way, what I mean,
Speaker 4: and that that has been and I'm watching what's happening
Speaker 4: now in the world, and I'm like, the world has
Speaker 4: lost it's wholesomeness better worse exactly exactly for better or
Speaker 4: worse whatever it is, that whatever.
Speaker 12: It doesn't matter what political party you own, if you
Speaker 12: don't carry that thing that caring about that wholesomeness, there's
Speaker 12: something there that eventually will.
Speaker 4: Go awry, something will go off. For sure. This because
Speaker 4: there's like always like this, like eh, and you just
Speaker 4: don't care. There's like this like otherness, and that's the thing.
Speaker 10: It's a small thing at first. Then you look at
Speaker 10: how that reverberates two three years down the road, and
Speaker 10: it's like, God, why is this person acting this way?
Speaker 10: Why is this kid had these types of behavioral attributes?
Speaker 10: And it's like, you know, where did this all come from?
Speaker 4: Was it me?
Speaker 8: Was it them?
Speaker 9: Was it this?
Speaker 10: You can typically, if you really dive into it, find
Speaker 10: about around the time where that little happened, yep, it
Speaker 10: and it has nothing to do sort of dissemination from
Speaker 10: the family unit of wholesomeness one hundred yeah.
Speaker 4: And it doesn't even express itself in a like the
Speaker 4: association we have with these things. They don't always come
Speaker 4: to fruition and the way we expect them to. So
Speaker 4: for example, actually, so I know, I have some really
Speaker 4: good friends now from Alabama, some of the most wholesome
Speaker 4: people that I ever met. But bro, you don't fuck
Speaker 4: with them, right, But they're like Brazilian jiu jitsu guys
Speaker 4: and Mema guys and like, but like you know, from
Speaker 4: like the most I guess surface perspective, you can say, yeah,
Speaker 4: but these that fighters or like you know, no, bro,
Speaker 4: there's like there's a realness there, right and uh. And
Speaker 4: the same goes for like uh. Actually, the director Aaron
Speaker 4: Bendon is a perfect example of this. His well, he
Speaker 4: doesn't wear it on his sleeve, so to speak, like
Speaker 4: you don't see it every day because he's you know,
Speaker 4: he has a reputable job and you know he works
Speaker 4: for big companies and stuff like that because he does
Speaker 4: of development for films and production and shows. But his thing,
Speaker 4: like the thing he loves I hope he doesn't mind
Speaker 4: if I'm saying it, but like he really loves like
Speaker 4: heavy metal and like like that kind of like he
Speaker 4: really loves it, like shud yeah, bro, it's like his fate.
Speaker 4: But like the more hardcore the better, like really hardcore. Right.
Speaker 4: His production company before we started Hours is called Actually
Speaker 4: Good Production. But when I saw the logo, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's not just actually good, it's actually good because because
Speaker 4: he dark and all that stuff, because he that's the
Speaker 4: stuff they go. But the way that he cares for
Speaker 4: his daughters, the way that he handles o, the way
Speaker 4: that he treats other people, it's so good. It's wholesome, right,
Speaker 4: and that you can't fake that. That's that's so the
Speaker 4: way it expresses itself doesn't really matter because everything needs
Speaker 4: to be expressed all the different, like you said, the good,
Speaker 4: the bad, like the way it looks, the dark, the light,
Speaker 4: all of it needs to be expressed to keep balance.
Speaker 4: But the wholesomeness can run through all of it.
Speaker 10: So you with your experiences you said you were born
Speaker 10: in Russia then moved to Israel or da I misunderstand this,
Speaker 10: So did you have like the wholesomeness in your home
Speaker 10: growing up.
Speaker 4: No no no, I I was born. I was raised
Speaker 4: by mostly by my grandparents because my mom was still
Speaker 4: going to school when I was born. I mean she
Speaker 4: was obviously she wasn't like not raising me, but it
Speaker 4: was more interactionally with my grandparents when I was really young,
Speaker 4: and so I saw this. My grandfather, so both my
Speaker 4: grandparents were scientists. She was a chemist and my grandmother
Speaker 4: was a chemist, and he was a physicist, but he
Speaker 4: was much more like a really kind of like more atheistic,
Speaker 4: I guess. And she was, which I only recently learned
Speaker 4: closer to the end of her life, like in the
Speaker 4: last decade, was more of a Christian. But that's when
Speaker 4: I knew her, So you know, I thought always she
Speaker 4: was like this Christian right, and it was interesting to
Speaker 4: watch this kind of like interaction. And then I moved
Speaker 4: to Israel, and I saw that whole thing, which is
Speaker 4: like Judaism, which is a very different kind of system
Speaker 4: and especially old.
Speaker 8: Were you when you made that move? First off, are
Speaker 8: you Jewish?
Speaker 4: I'm actually not considered to be, because the only person
Speaker 4: in my family was Jewish is my grandfather. But I
Speaker 4: lived in Israel for seventeen years, so like, you know,
Speaker 4: I have still an Israeli passport as my American passport,
Speaker 4: so I you know, I understand that world very well, right,
Speaker 4: I grew up in it. I never really cared either way.
Speaker 4: But in Judaism it has to be by the mother.
Speaker 4: So because my grandfather was my grandfa my grandmother wasn't,
Speaker 4: so I'm not considered to be. But it doesn't really matter,
Speaker 4: because you know, there's a lot of elements in me
Speaker 4: that are still like very Jewish. Is the wrong thing
Speaker 4: because by the way, Jews in general and Israelis are
Speaker 4: very different people, Like the Israeli culture is very different.
Speaker 4: It's a whole thing, right. But I watched I went
Speaker 4: to when we just arrived, when we just came to Israel.
Speaker 4: When I was I think I was six and a
Speaker 4: half years old, I was a pretty, i don't know
Speaker 4: what to call it, crazy kid, Like I got into
Speaker 4: a lot of fights, and they took me out of
Speaker 4: the school that I went to, and then they took
Speaker 4: put me in a semi religious school because there was
Speaker 4: much more kind of like you know, discipline there.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: It was actually that was actually kind of like a
Speaker 4: good move, I think, And so I was exposed to
Speaker 4: even the more religious kind of thinking. And then I started,
Speaker 4: you know, I never thought of it that way, but
Speaker 4: I saw that all of that general thing of like
Speaker 4: how religion plays into that wholesomeness, how family unit plays
Speaker 4: into that wholesomeness, that was almost like repulsive to me,
Speaker 4: Like it was like I just didn't want anything to
Speaker 4: do with it because I think that I associated it
Speaker 4: with control.
Speaker 10: Now about say it was that teenage angst and rebellion
Speaker 10: that was spurning out for me.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I was, I had a lot of
Speaker 4: There was a lot that there was there's really we
Speaker 4: don't have to get too deep into it, but like
Speaker 4: there's a lot of like physical abuse. When I was
Speaker 4: a kid, I became very violent. I was.
Speaker 8: I was.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of anger, and because of it,
Speaker 4: it was basically targeting whatever it saw in front of it.
Speaker 4: And it's only when I started seeing kind of like
Speaker 4: the results of that when I actually started getting a
Speaker 4: little older. So like a lot of friends kind of
Speaker 4: you know, either went to jail or got killed or
Speaker 4: died from overdose, that whole story. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: well this doesn't look like a There's a lot of
Speaker 4: promises but you don't know how to be anything else, right,
Speaker 4: So then I when I went to the army, obviously
Speaker 4: there's some structure there.
Speaker 10: But even then, what Israeli Army the idef Yeah, okay,
Speaker 10: just making sure when you said seventeen years and age,
Speaker 10: I assumed you serve in the idea because that's like
Speaker 10: the whole thing that's forced there.
Speaker 8: But I wasn't sure asking, oh, yeah, well you have to.
Speaker 4: There's not a lot of people, so somebody has to go, right,
Speaker 4: But even there I got in trouble. I actually had
Speaker 4: to serve some time, like I had to. I was
Speaker 4: in jail for like I guess you could say, prison
Speaker 4: for like three months, because.
Speaker 10: Okay, I have to ask, if you're willing to talk about,
Speaker 10: what did you do to get sent to the brig
Speaker 10: in the I d f uh, don't have to talk
Speaker 10: about it if you don't want to.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to, didn't want to listen, and it
Speaker 4: got physical. And then and then and then that's a
Speaker 4: that's a big offense, and in the army, as you know,
Speaker 4: which is funny. But but then and then I and
Speaker 4: then I think the majority of it was because I
Speaker 4: then knew that Okay, that that's I'm done, like, and
Speaker 4: then I had to like I basically ran away for
Speaker 4: like a few months, and then I had to obviously
Speaker 4: serve time. I actually got lucky because they wanted like
Speaker 4: two years, and then I got my lawyer, like it was,
Speaker 4: did some great things and I only ended up being
Speaker 4: like three months or something. But but my experience of
Speaker 4: that whole like relationship to wholesomeness was always like this
Speaker 4: is for idiots, Like, this is for people who just
Speaker 4: like in the matrix, you know what I mean, they
Speaker 4: don't they live there. Well, you know it's a meme, right,
Speaker 4: it's like the people who just kind of lived the
Speaker 4: correct life. It was like, what does that mean? That's bullshit? Right?
Speaker 4: That kind of stuff right is correct?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: What is that right?
Speaker 4: And then obviously I knew that there was one instance
Speaker 4: I will never forget that was really like really got me,
Speaker 4: which is that I discovered later, which is so my
Speaker 4: sister who was literally one of my favorite people on
Speaker 4: the planet and her husband was one of my favorite
Speaker 4: people on the planet. When she met him, I later
Speaker 4: discovered she was afraid to tell me that she was
Speaker 4: dating him because that was the first person she dated
Speaker 4: and that really hurt me because I was.
Speaker 10: Like, wait, and you were gonna lash out about it,
Speaker 10: Like I.
Speaker 4: Don't know what she thought, Like I was pretty violent,
Speaker 4: but like I don't know what she thought that I
Speaker 4: would do to him, like like that's like what you know.
Speaker 4: The fact that that was the reality of it really
Speaker 4: made me reassess everything. And it was coupled with the
Speaker 4: fact that a good friend of mine pulled me to
Speaker 4: the sideby time and he said, Hey, I really don't
Speaker 4: know how to tell you this, but like when you
Speaker 4: talk to people they're afraid of you, like and I was,
Speaker 4: and because I guess I would talk to them kind
Speaker 4: of like Tony Soprano or something I don't know, like
Speaker 4: I was I would look threatening right in and I
Speaker 4: was like, what are you talking about? And then I
Speaker 4: kind of started realizing there's literally mannerisms of me that
Speaker 4: I'm I wasn't even noticing, but it's something I guess
Speaker 4: about the way I was stilting my head, like talking
Speaker 4: to you like that, you know, things like this like
Speaker 4: that definitely came from something for sure, right like there
Speaker 4: was there was there was a reason for that, and
Speaker 4: I liked it. I liked the fact that when I
Speaker 4: discovered that there's power to violence is because when I
Speaker 4: lashed out one time back, Uh, it doesn't matter. I
Speaker 4: don't want to get into that part right now. But
Speaker 4: whomever was abusing me, I basically lashed out back and
Speaker 4: I saw fear and I said, whoa, I like this.
Speaker 10: See fear in respect or oftentimes.
Speaker 4: I like this, So you tell me if I go
Speaker 4: to that mode, I'm safe.
Speaker 8: Okay.
Speaker 4: So then that became a thing. And because I'm actually
Speaker 4: I'm pretty like now I have a beard, but I
Speaker 4: was always like a pretty small frame, look always baby face.
Speaker 4: But I'm freakishly a lot of people say this about themselves,
Speaker 4: but it's actually true, Like I'm freakishly strong, like I'm
Speaker 4: I wasn't martial arts. I was like my left hook
Speaker 4: is like you're not getting up, and and there's there's
Speaker 4: there's like I always pride myself in that. And it's
Speaker 4: also very surprise because somebody expect that from me, right,
Speaker 4: So if I hit you once really hard, you do
Speaker 4: not expect that coming. And I loved that. It was
Speaker 4: my favorite thing when people were like, you know, start
Speaker 4: talking shit and you go wham, and they go, I go,
Speaker 4: that's right, that's good, and then there's this thing and
Speaker 4: now you're addicted to that feeling because it's like you know,
Speaker 4: and now that's the toxic side of it. So now
Speaker 4: I was that's why I felt safe, but I knew
Speaker 4: that because of all of that, it's like, oh, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: That's like I never like, that's the most hurtful thing
Speaker 4: I remember in my entire life when I found out
Speaker 4: that my sister was afraid to tell me. So then
Speaker 4: I was already like, I've done a lot of psychedelgics,
Speaker 4: but never in terms of like healing or anything like this.
Speaker 4: It was just in terms of, hey, we're getting sucked up,
Speaker 4: we're going crazy, going to other planets. Right. So then
Speaker 4: I started noticing that certain things were actually better in
Speaker 4: me as a person after using these seconds, and I
Speaker 4: started kind of tracing back like what could have been,
Speaker 4: and I realizedom's actually really good at really helping kind
Speaker 4: of remedy a lot of stuff in psychology. I was
Speaker 4: just never paying attention to that. So then I started
Speaker 4: using it more in a targeted way, and then I
Speaker 4: discovered meditation. It started actually meditating, and then I discovered
Speaker 4: the bust and I started actually going to retreats and
Speaker 4: doing that whole thing, and then my kind of my
Speaker 4: spiritual growth started really happening. And then I started basically
Speaker 4: learning how to channel these energies to different places. So
Speaker 4: from I guess anger and and kind of like this
Speaker 4: kind of threatening vibe, I channeled it towards a certiveness.
Speaker 4: So it's just I'm showing you with the line of
Speaker 4: what I'm saying is, let's say or in certain situations
Speaker 4: it's kind of nice to be able to say something
Speaker 4: in a particular tone where people just stop. Right. That's
Speaker 4: also nice to have, but it was more towards the positive.
Speaker 4: And obviously, as both of you know, because we all
Speaker 4: have our own journeys, it's always a work in pros,
Speaker 4: like we're constantly like built. But really, at this point
Speaker 4: I can happily say that I am I do not
Speaker 4: know who that person is, Like, that's just an unrecognizable
Speaker 4: person to me. It's not even the in the you know,
Speaker 4: ram of possibilities to ever become something like that again.
Speaker 4: But I'm happy that that was my trajectory because I
Speaker 4: have a certain appreciation of where certain people that are
Speaker 4: like that coming from, because very often it's very easy
Speaker 4: the hardest. One of the hardest emotions to climb out of,
Speaker 4: if that's your expression of your trauma is anger, because
Speaker 4: sadness and other emotions people would it's easier for them
Speaker 4: to kind of aggregate around you to help you because like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, they feel sorry for you. But anger is
Speaker 4: usually channeled towards someone else in your environment, So it's
Speaker 4: much harder to have compassion for you because, oh, he's
Speaker 4: just an angry person. So I actually have a lot
Speaker 4: of compassion towards that, because being trapped in that is
Speaker 4: very different. You really are completely alone because nobody wants
Speaker 4: to help you because you just you know, that's whenever
Speaker 4: I'm very sensitive to when people point fingers, so it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: this person is just a bad person. Or don't get
Speaker 4: me wrong, there are psychopaths in this world, sure, but
Speaker 4: but it's it's very rare actually, and most people just
Speaker 4: really don't know how to be on other way, and
Speaker 4: there is a way in there. It's just you have
Speaker 4: to understand that energy, that mindset, that that very one
Speaker 4: direction or thing that you have to You can't push
Speaker 4: back because it just makes it more. You got to
Speaker 4: kind of go with it, you know, and so I'm
Speaker 4: very happy I had that, because that's that is I
Speaker 4: think one of the hardest emotions to climb out of.
Speaker 4: And because I have that sensitivity, I do I can
Speaker 4: sometimes connect with people that are very difficult to connect with.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And there's a real spirit of anger that comes
Speaker 10: along with that, right, there's a spirit of sadness that
Speaker 10: will not just encumbash your day to day but like
Speaker 10: and not just depression, although that is very real and
Speaker 10: I'm not trying to negate that at all, but waking
Speaker 10: up angry that you woke up that morning and being
Speaker 10: pissed off about that, like, that is a different type
Speaker 10: of spiral that people can find themselves in. And You're right,
Speaker 10: it's very hard for others to have empathy and compassion
Speaker 10: for somebody who is just waking up mad as hell,
Speaker 10: because they will become the next victim of that person's anger.
Speaker 10: And it's it's very difficult to climb out of that,
Speaker 10: and it's it's very difficult to find an outlet, a
Speaker 10: constructive outlet to put those feelings of anger to rest
Speaker 10: and leave them in the past in order to grow
Speaker 10: as a human being and become a better person. So
Speaker 10: I feel that one hundred percent. I myself dealt with
Speaker 10: my own version of that, so I'm with you for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, rage is a is a real thing. It's a
Speaker 4: really it's a really interesting how these energies. I totally
Speaker 4: see how they have like archetypical level, like they are
Speaker 4: an expression of something out there is much bigger. And
Speaker 4: this is why I think all of these things competing
Speaker 4: for our attention because we are the bridge into manifesting
Speaker 4: them into reality. So they're constantly trying to get our
Speaker 4: attention because we are their only way these energies to
Speaker 4: like come out and become part of whatever we call
Speaker 4: the real world. And we've got to be and that's
Speaker 4: why we've got to be very careful with what we
Speaker 4: allow in, what we allow out, how we balance it
Speaker 4: inside of ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Danny, I wanted to ask you, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're even gonna have an answer
Speaker 2: for it or not, but I have somebody very close
Speaker 2: to me. I don't want to say exactly who or what,
Speaker 2: but that has dealt with major, major drug problems and
Speaker 2: has developed such a I mean he's addicted to them,
Speaker 2: you know, can't can't go without him and it's absolutely
Speaker 2: warped his mind. It's so much to where he believes
Speaker 2: that everything that he says is right and he's not.
Speaker 2: He believes that he's so amazing at everything. But he's
Speaker 2: in jail right now.
Speaker 8: Do you think that there Do you think.
Speaker 2: That psychedelics would be able to break him out of
Speaker 2: that or does he have to kind of get clean
Speaker 2: on his own and then maybe peer into that into
Speaker 2: that uh matrix.
Speaker 4: Very hard to say, brother, There's so many different people
Speaker 4: that that they have different answers to exactly what their
Speaker 4: thing is. They have to first be open to it. Right,
Speaker 4: even if you do all the psychedelics in the world,
Speaker 4: if you're not open to it, it can't go in.
Speaker 4: It can't actually do the work for you other people. Again,
Speaker 4: is as trite as it sounds and as much as
Speaker 4: I kind of surprise that I'm saying it at this
Speaker 4: point in my life, but some people's answers Jesus brother,
Speaker 4: like it's there's there's no if you can if you
Speaker 4: can really feel whatever that is, that might be your
Speaker 4: way out. I know people that that had also helped
Speaker 4: them with the drugs and stuff that the psychedelics. We
Speaker 4: do have some research that now shows that psilocybin is
Speaker 4: really effective in helping difficult addictions. This is literature that people,
Speaker 4: if they're interested, they can read. It's John Hopkins mostly.
Speaker 4: But the caveat is that it's only if they had
Speaker 4: what they deemed as a transcendent experience, which they can
Speaker 4: actually measure. There's like certain elements to it that they
Speaker 4: have to be in place. If you just had a
Speaker 4: psychedelic experience, you're not going to have the benefits. It's
Speaker 4: only if you had the transcendent experience coupled with therapy,
Speaker 4: so like with a professional that knows what the moves
Speaker 4: are after integration all of that stuff. So in prison,
Speaker 4: unfortunately and hopefully it will change, but they don't have
Speaker 4: that offered. But I think they should. I honestly think
Speaker 4: that this might be the one of the biggest revolutions
Speaker 4: ever which allowing these sessions in prison. And obviously you
Speaker 4: have to be like you know, it would have to
Speaker 4: go through a lot of different checkpoints where how do
Speaker 4: you exactly do you make that happen, especially with violent offenders.
Speaker 4: And but there's no doubt that if you especially with
Speaker 4: Eboga for example, right known to be like super like
Speaker 4: just like bom no more addiction. Right, it's pretty much
Speaker 4: across the board. I do think that there's definitely a
Speaker 4: room for that conversation and it might revolutionize the world.
Speaker 4: That being said, again, it's always better if you can
Speaker 4: do it in a without the interference of substances, it's better.
Speaker 4: But sometimes maybe a combination. You start with something like
Speaker 4: that in the right setting with therapists and everything, and
Speaker 4: when you have a glimmer of that, there's something really
Speaker 4: there and it's not just stories. Now you start you
Speaker 4: can start doing the work yourself. I would say that
Speaker 4: that combination is probably the best.
Speaker 8: One that makes sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just you know what is like he is.
Speaker 4: He serving a long time or I think a long sentence,
Speaker 4: Like he's he there for like ten years? Or is
Speaker 4: this something he's going to jail for a few.
Speaker 2: Nights or no, it's in prison out in Arizona. It's
Speaker 2: like two and a half years as a sentence. I
Speaker 2: think he's already done a little bit over a year
Speaker 2: or something like that. But you know, he's been in
Speaker 2: and out of jail, he's been fraught with drug problems,
Speaker 2: and it's only just it's it's almost like the real
Speaker 2: hymn is not even in there anymore, and that that.
Speaker 4: Is it's always He's always in there. But but yeah,
Speaker 4: it's sometimes ay, it's I do believe that in our
Speaker 4: lifetimes it is going to be a major transformation, probably
Speaker 4: actually very soon, to be honest, and it will come
Speaker 4: to everyone in the way that they're ready to receive it.
Speaker 4: So I have high hopes people just have to just
Speaker 4: have a tiny bit of that opening and it will
Speaker 4: it will enter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what's really sad is is that
Speaker 2: you would expect in an ideal world, if somebody goes
Speaker 2: to jail for doing drugs, you would expect, well, they're
Speaker 2: gonna get clean while they're in jail because they don't
Speaker 2: have access to it.
Speaker 8: But the problem is, I mean, so many jails find
Speaker 8: drugs is jail bro which is fucked, you know, like
Speaker 8: that shouldn't even be a thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think the only way to truly
Speaker 4: do that again, it has to be like without the
Speaker 4: hiding and the know, the troll under the bridge of
Speaker 4: the vibe. You can have that and think about the energy.
Speaker 4: How sensitive you become too energies. Imagine something happens to
Speaker 4: him even more traumatizing. Well, he's on these substances. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's game over, right, So it has to be that
Speaker 4: prisons opened themselves up through that possibility to actually do
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. I mean, that can actually solve
Speaker 4: the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would definitely take it to the next level
Speaker 2: because the prison system is definitely failing.
Speaker 8: There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 4: It's the worst absolutely.
Speaker 10: All right, So before we wrap, because I know we're
Speaker 10: getting to the end of this episode, Danny, I wanted
Speaker 10: to ask you one more question. All right, super off topic,
Speaker 10: but super within your realm of expertise. Okay, Now, and
Speaker 10: I know nothing about this. I've heard some rumors. I've
Speaker 10: heard some reports. Want to get your take. There are
Speaker 10: allegedly people who are delving into the dm T realm
Speaker 10: and they are mapping the dm T world. There a
Speaker 10: collaborating their stories, and they're drawing out these maps of
Speaker 10: the architecture of whatever, of what the d MT world
Speaker 10: looks like and is built upon, and these things.
Speaker 8: What is your take on this?
Speaker 4: If you are you talking about DMTX, I don't know
Speaker 4: the type.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not a rumor, that's that's a they're doing
Speaker 4: this as far as I know. It's being funded by Nuonautics,
Speaker 4: which is an international company that does psychadelic research and education,
Speaker 4: and one of their programs is called d mt X,
Speaker 4: which is currently active in the Imperial College in London
Speaker 4: and this year started starting or already started in San
Speaker 4: Diego under John dene in the Imperial College in London.
Speaker 4: It's under Christermerman and Lisa Lewen, I believe, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean Gallimore helped them. Oh I know that Gallamore
Speaker 4: also started his own thing now in the Caribbeans, I think,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, but somewhere and basically they do a
Speaker 4: long drip like you stay there for a long time
Speaker 4: through IV drip and the aim is to see if well,
Speaker 4: there's a few so like the first round, they wanted
Speaker 4: to see if people can agree on the entities then, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, there's one of the subjects from there.
Speaker 4: There you go. You can look up Alexander Bayner. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's their logo. This is the one in Colorado. I
Speaker 4: don't know actually Colorado. As far as I know they are,
Speaker 4: they're not active under actual DMTX as far as I understand.
Speaker 8: They are.
Speaker 4: The Coolera IV stuff. I think it's like ten thousand
Speaker 4: dollars a pop, like you can actually go and just
Speaker 4: do it, like they pay ten thousand dollars and that's
Speaker 4: what you do. Yeah, that's different though, because I don't
Speaker 4: think they belong to the same research program. But I
Speaker 4: guess the mission statement is the same. But the actual
Speaker 4: DMTX is Imperial College in London and San Diego as
Speaker 4: far as I know to date, But the mission statement
Speaker 4: is the same. And yeah, the idea is to basically
Speaker 4: see if you can map the space. They're the only
Speaker 4: research as far as I know today that is not
Speaker 4: interested necessarily primarily in the therapeutic question, but in the
Speaker 4: actual ontological question, the same one that I ask myself,
Speaker 4: which is is this real? Like real real? That's interesting
Speaker 4: because these are serious researchers. They're asking and they have resources,
Speaker 4: and they're doing it in a lab government sanction. The
Speaker 4: government knows about it, approves of it. And the second round,
Speaker 4: so the first round they try to see if they
Speaker 4: can agree on the beings the subjects.
Speaker 8: See.
Speaker 4: I want to mention wonderful book, very short book, but
Speaker 4: really really truly great book by Alexander Bahner called The
Speaker 4: bigger picture. He was one of the first subjects in
Speaker 4: the DMTX is I was. I always say, it's kind
Speaker 4: of I don't know if it's an insult to him.
Speaker 4: At a minute, it as an insult, but he's just
Speaker 4: very young. But he's an credible writer. That was very
Speaker 4: surprised by how articulate he is, and I think the
Speaker 4: outlines some very profound ideas there about the modern use
Speaker 4: of psychedelics in general and the kind of teachings we
Speaker 4: should take on board and injecting to our systems. Very
Speaker 4: worth the read. And the second round they tried to
Speaker 4: see if they can prove any kind of telepathy between
Speaker 4: the subjects. They've never seen each other. This third round,
Speaker 4: as far as I know this started, I'm not sure
Speaker 4: what the main aim is, but yeah, that's that's like
Speaker 4: a real thought as far as I know. One of
Speaker 4: the ideas is to see if the space in fact
Speaker 4: is real. Is it possible to stabilize your brain enough
Speaker 4: so you can actually start mapping it in a coherent way.
Speaker 4: So in the beginning they I think the longest they
Speaker 4: did so far was forty minutes. The aim is to
Speaker 4: amp it up, so to see if you can stay
Speaker 4: there for hours and eventually a day, and eventually days
Speaker 4: and eventually weeks. So the idea is, can you live
Speaker 4: there for a few weeks, obviously going to be fed
Speaker 4: through whatever system you need to see if you can
Speaker 4: live there for a little while and see if you
Speaker 4: can actually create relationships with these beings. And yeah, this
Speaker 4: is open source, this is not a secret, and some
Speaker 4: of the most brilliant people are involved in this. We
Speaker 4: are kind of aiming to maybe in quote a reality.
Speaker 4: We're trying to maybe create also another layer of investigation
Speaker 4: that will involve mainstream scientists, like physicists, like computer scientists,
Speaker 4: to see if we can actually create a coherent picture
Speaker 4: and a bridge between what we understand from these higher
Speaker 4: realms through the mind and what we already understand about physics,
Speaker 4: and where can we actually merge the two. But there's
Speaker 4: there's incredible work being done on this, and this is
Speaker 4: this is you know, not a secret at all.
Speaker 10: So how does this tie into or go parallel with
Speaker 10: the research that you have done as far as looking
Speaker 10: at lasers while DMT.
Speaker 8: Is being used as well, does this tie in? Is
Speaker 8: this like a different subset if you will, How does
Speaker 8: this play in.
Speaker 4: So It's interesting you asked me that because it's my
Speaker 4: relationship with this whole side of the What they're doing
Speaker 4: is a little contentious because a lot of them criticize
Speaker 4: what I do. In the beginning, obviously they were just
Speaker 4: ignoring it because they thought it was just an internet fed.
Speaker 8: Wait why if anything, it sounds like they'd be buked
Speaker 8: about what you're doing.
Speaker 4: There's more, there's more, Uh is it?
Speaker 8: Ego?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: God?
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh so they look fair to be fair, to
Speaker 4: be fair, to be fair, yes, and so ego is
Speaker 4: always involved on my end, on their end, ego is
Speaker 4: always there. We always have our egoing things. But to
Speaker 4: be fair. So on the one hand, I can say, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of them never even seen it,
Speaker 4: and then they it's almost like literally like the Catholic
Speaker 4: Church refusing to look through the telescope, telling y'all like no,
Speaker 4: like just we don't want to look through the telescope. However,
Speaker 4: there are, as far as I know, some of them
Speaker 4: did try. I would say, didn't try hard enough. Some
Speaker 4: of them that basically kind of like obviously if you
Speaker 4: go into it like trying to just reject the thing.
Speaker 4: It look. It's true that if what I'm claiming is true,
Speaker 4: and it's just there. It should just be apparent, doesn't
Speaker 4: matter what you attitude towards it is, which is what
Speaker 4: I'm claiming, So fair enough, I take that point. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: we don't know why that is that in the beginning
Speaker 4: some people having a hard time with it, But so
Speaker 4: to be fair, some of them did try it. Others
Speaker 4: take the word of the ones that did try it
Speaker 4: and kind of run with that the analysis they're trying
Speaker 4: to run throw it at at the moment. Gallimore's analysis
Speaker 4: is that he thinks that it has something to do
Speaker 4: with the alignment of coherent light with the speckle effect,
Speaker 4: and he's an expert in what kinds of hallucinations the
Speaker 4: brain can bring about because he's is a computational neurobiologist
Speaker 4: and he studied DMT in particular for a long time.
Speaker 4: By the way, also recommend his books highly. I'm only
Speaker 4: recommending the ones that I know that are actually really
Speaker 4: good in it Educational Reality Switch Technologies. The second book
Speaker 4: is probably the best one to educate you about the molecule,
Speaker 4: about neuroscience and what is actually going on there. So
Speaker 4: his idea is that it has something to do with
Speaker 4: the speckle effect, which is just basically the way that
Speaker 4: kind of laser hits the wall, you know, like these
Speaker 4: glistening things that you see, and a very particular kind
Speaker 4: of information arrangement in the brain when DMT is present
Speaker 4: that allows for these super realistic kind of hallucinations that
Speaker 4: are mapped onto the surface. The issue, well, the issue
Speaker 4: with this is a few fall But first of all,
Speaker 4: it's not on the surface, it's all the way in.
Speaker 4: It's like a full structure. There's completely coherent inside. It's
Speaker 4: way too coherent to fit into the category of what
Speaker 4: is describing. I would say another model that is recently
Speaker 4: there was a Andres Gomez was also a brilliant scientist
Speaker 4: and mathematician, the head of the Qualier Research Institute in
Speaker 4: San Francisco. Truly brilliant guy, highly becoming this conversation with
Speaker 4: the Theories of Everything podcast Kurt Gimungo and they were
Speaker 4: talking about the laser because Kurt obviously heard about the
Speaker 4: laser asked him about it. He said that he thinks
Speaker 4: it has something to do with liquid crystals in the
Speaker 4: brain aligning themselves, especially with light, that it makes it
Speaker 4: even more coherent. Again, from what I know my interaction
Speaker 4: with them, I mean we're in contact, is that they
Speaker 4: only saw a glimmer of what we're actually describing. And
Speaker 4: Andre says it would squarely fall within the purview of
Speaker 4: what they would expect to see in instead of quality
Speaker 4: of research institute, which is that it's basically somatic patterns
Speaker 4: that expressed themselves, from the light to the stochastic pattern
Speaker 4: from the liquid crystals in your brain. Again, I understand
Speaker 4: his an argument, and I even understand the specificities of it.
Speaker 4: I don't think it tracks in terms of what we're
Speaker 4: actually seeing, but beyond that, there's just way too much
Speaker 4: in my experience that is already put it over the hump,
Speaker 4: Like I'm not I'm not guessing it's not a for me, right.
Speaker 4: I know that because again I'm interacting with the beings
Speaker 4: that I'm telling me this directly. I have what I
Speaker 4: call the console, which is this, you know, the computer
Speaker 4: console that appears from one hundred percent of the time
Speaker 4: is extremely realistic to just do any things here. It
Speaker 4: doesn't really track. But all of that is just this
Speaker 4: is noise, right, Like it's important, we do need to
Speaker 4: have these conversations, but ultimately my aim is not to
Speaker 4: convince anybody I want to substantiate these claims. So what
Speaker 4: we're going to aim for is to see if we
Speaker 4: can actually bring about something that is coherent, repeatable, actionable,
Speaker 4: something that anybody can replicate it in a lab and
Speaker 4: then send it to the Wringer with the scientific method
Speaker 4: the way it needs to. Yes, it's paradigm shifting, so
Speaker 4: it's going to be obviously going to meet some resistance.
Speaker 4: But I do think that if I manage to do
Speaker 4: certain things, like you know, being able to translate from
Speaker 4: like some kind of an edge detection algorithm that can
Speaker 4: see it really well, and then maybe decode some things
Speaker 4: or showed that we can create perturbations to it in
Speaker 4: a way that is coherent, it's going to be a
Speaker 4: lot harder to argue with. And our aim is to
Speaker 4: understand the world, not to convince people of things. So
Speaker 4: then so my relationship with them is actually pretty contentiou
Speaker 4: it's funny enough because that generated more interested in the
Speaker 4: film than I think of most things, because all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, these heavy hitters, like pretty known scientists started
Speaker 4: commenting on it because they were forced to. All of
Speaker 4: a sudden, people kind of like, why aren't you talking
Speaker 4: about this and then they're like, this is nonsense, that's
Speaker 4: why we're not talking about this, and then they came
Speaker 4: at me. I responded that interaction actually generated a lot
Speaker 4: more interested in the film, which is which is great.
Speaker 8: Hey that works. Yeah, that's awesome. Man.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, we really appreciate you coming to
Speaker 2: hang out with us and diving into a little bit
Speaker 2: of what is on the other side potentially what is
Speaker 2: this not even necessarily the other side, but what is
Speaker 2: this side actually made up of?
Speaker 8: Like, and I think that we all have a certain
Speaker 8: question and where do we come from? Where are we going?
Speaker 8: Why are we here? You know, we're all.
Speaker 2: Searching for this kind of stuff. And I think that
Speaker 2: you're doing really good work, and you the level of
Speaker 2: insight that you have. I think that it takes a
Speaker 2: certain special kind of mind, like your own, to be
Speaker 2: able to try and decipher what's real what's fiction. And
Speaker 2: I like that you're going at it from a very scientific,
Speaker 2: even kind of way, and that you're not trying to
Speaker 2: convince somebody of anything. It's more so you're you're sharing
Speaker 2: with your You're sharing what you discovered, and other people
Speaker 2: are seeing it too. If they apply the same methods.
Speaker 2: So I love it, man, and I can't wait until
Speaker 2: you know, we we actually get some eyes on the
Speaker 2: discovery is do do you know when like that whole
Speaker 2: thing is going to be ramping out the movie?
Speaker 4: You mean, yeah, closest to the end of the year,
Speaker 4: We're we're in full forth that we now, uh, we've
Speaker 4: been funded. John Chavez funded a big chunk of the movie,
Speaker 4: and we had like this incredible contribution out of nowhere.
Speaker 4: This Tibetan monk who just literally just like came in
Speaker 4: the middle of a live that I'm doing on YouTube
Speaker 4: and literally put one hundred and thirty thousand dollars you
Speaker 4: just like just like send it to me.
Speaker 8: I was like, Tibetan monks have that much.
Speaker 4: Well, he his handle is okay, his handle is infinite
Speaker 4: Paradox Buddha, and let me tell you he is a paradox.
Speaker 4: I don't want to say his name on air because
Speaker 4: I don't know if he wants it aired. But when
Speaker 4: we're done, I'll tell you his name. You'll be like,
Speaker 4: you'll you'll laugh his actual name. But he's basically a
Speaker 4: guy who made a fortune in crypto and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: and then he kind of discovered this other realm that
Speaker 4: he realized he had his own life. He could like
Speaker 4: astro project, he could do all these things. And then
Speaker 4: he basically went and started like meditating hardcore, and he
Speaker 4: went into Tibet and started just being there. And he lives,
Speaker 4: from what I understand, in China most of the time,
Speaker 4: but he kind of travel in between as long as
Speaker 4: Visa allows him to and he just goes there and
Speaker 4: comes back. So he has a wife, he has, he
Speaker 4: has a life, but he goes and like spends as
Speaker 4: much time as he Canada. Thing. When I was talking
Speaker 4: to him, it's it's it's bro. He's again. I don't
Speaker 4: know how much he wants exposed about him, so I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna say, Tom, I can't tell you off air,
Speaker 4: but this guy is on another level. Bro. He's like
Speaker 4: truly like he just like came and like I've never
Speaker 4: seen people were like in the middle of the life.
Speaker 4: They're like, what's going on? Like the guy just like
Speaker 4: just like and I'm like, obviously, I'm like I'll send
Speaker 4: you a contract, and he's like, yeah, I don't, I
Speaker 4: don't want anything. Just this is I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: get like tax deduction or like this is yours. You
Speaker 4: guys needed for the film, please a stud It's like yeah,
Speaker 4: but but it's one of these like and you know,
Speaker 4: this is crazy. So two days before, maybe a day
Speaker 4: or two before after, we were funded like a big
Speaker 4: chunk was funded by Chavez and and by the way,
Speaker 4: important dimension. So I'm doing all these name drops, but
Speaker 4: I think they are important to mention. Kevin Chuco funded
Speaker 4: actually was one of the first people to believe in us,
Speaker 4: and just dropped like twenty grand, like without again, no promise,
Speaker 4: in no other things. You like here, I think I
Speaker 4: want you to get you guys started right, so incredible
Speaker 4: people just kind of came along and kind of give
Speaker 4: us this like head start, and then John Chavis put
Speaker 4: like a big chunk, and then Aaron the director, were
Speaker 4: just he finished shooting a scene and were sitting and
Speaker 4: he was like, well, you know, I kind of looked
Speaker 4: at it. He looked a little worried. He was like, well,
Speaker 4: I kind of we need to raise at least a
Speaker 4: one hundred grand if we're really gonna I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: like you know, we'll raise it one hundred grand. This
Speaker 4: was two days before this happened. Well just literally the
Speaker 4: universe goes.
Speaker 8: I got you.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I at this point, I'm not questioning anything. It's just
Speaker 4: like it's just miracles, bro, amazing.
Speaker 2: That is freaking awesome, dude. Well look, I mean we're
Speaker 2: happy to be with you on this journey. We're happy
Speaker 2: that you know, we can be a part and try
Speaker 2: and understand the process and how your mind works at
Speaker 2: getting you there, and like you're you're one of my
Speaker 2: favorite people to talk to.
Speaker 8: Dude.
Speaker 2: I could literally just sit back and listen to you
Speaker 2: all day because I feel like it's just it's like
Speaker 2: class except for it's a classroom that I'm actually paying
Speaker 2: attention to, you know, like it's one of those kind.
Speaker 4: Of things that's the huge on brother to hear something
Speaker 4: like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, absolutely, But if you would, could you let
Speaker 2: our good cult members know where they can find you, sir?
Speaker 4: Yep. My YouTube channel is the thing I'm promoting the
Speaker 4: most Dengo thoughts d A n g O thoughts, and
Speaker 4: our website is quotoreality dot com. Those are the main
Speaker 4: two andresses awesome. All right.
Speaker 2: That is freaking awesome, dude. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: hanging out with us, Jacob. Can we get some Knife
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