1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:17,359 Speaker 1: This is Pet Life Radio. Let's Talk Pets. 2 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:25,399 Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Best Bets from Pets. I'm 3 00:00:25,399 --> 00:00:28,800 your show host Michelle Bourne. So if you have dogs, 4 00:00:28,879 --> 00:00:32,640 you've probably experienced this, you know, and it's July fourth, 5 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:37,000 or it's New yor Zeve and the noise just gets 6 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:39,880 to them or thunder. Oh my gosh. One of my 7 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,600 dogs used to hide in the shower and shake the 8 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,439 entire time, and July fourth one of my favorite holidays, 9 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,359 never was ever one of my dog's favorite. While my 10 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,240 guest today has a solution that is really different from 11 00:00:54,359 --> 00:00:57,079 anything out there, and I cannot wait to introduce you 12 00:00:57,159 --> 00:00:58,719 to her. 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She 24 00:01:55,719 --> 00:01:58,719 is the founder of Conex. Welcome Kirsten. 25 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,799 Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. 26 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:02,879 Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have you. Can you give us 27 00:02:02,879 --> 00:02:04,359 a little background on yourself. 28 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 5: Sure. I am an engineer packaging engineer for most of 29 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:12,360 my life, so I've done a lot of new product 30 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:16,800 launches with different materials that your products come in from packaging, 31 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,439 some new product launches for dog and cat food. So 32 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,639 I've always kind of been in the pet related space 33 00:02:24,759 --> 00:02:28,280 somehow and loved it because I worked for a company 34 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:31,439 where I could take my dog to work, So learned 35 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:34,680 a lot through actually taking her to work. So my 36 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:38,360 own dog and why we invented ponics. She's scared of 37 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,199 thunderstorms and fireworks, just like many of the dogs out there. 38 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,240 And she was also traveling with me to make these 39 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,120 dog and cat food treats, and so she'd be on 40 00:02:48,159 --> 00:02:51,400 a plane with me and just the overhead slamming was 41 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:54,280 getting to her as well, just any kind of loud 42 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,879 noise as she was getting older, and so one day 43 00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:00,599 I put my own human headset on her. She calmed 44 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,039 right down and I was like, Wow, I can do this. 45 00:03:03,319 --> 00:03:06,360 But this is super awkward holding this human headset on 46 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:08,599 her little head. So I was like, how do I 47 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,840 basically take the plastic off and make it something that's 48 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:14,520 just for them and comfortable for them. 49 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: Okay, talk a little bit about Conics, which is what 50 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:22,560 you created, their noise canceling headphones that help calm your 51 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:27,080 dog during periods of when they might be anxious, like 52 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,840 loud noises, which is mostly what it is, that's what 53 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,560 mostly brings up their anxiety. There's other stuff on the market. 54 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,199 I was reading about your product. I know you've tried them. 55 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,520 I tried them, the shirts, the oils, and nothing worked. 56 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:44,599 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly That's where I was. 57 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: So can you give our audience, our listening audience. This 58 00:03:47,719 --> 00:03:51,479 is a challenge, but a good description of what Conics is. 59 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:57,719 Speaker 5: Sure. Ponics is a noise canceling solution for dogs. So 60 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,599 what it does has the only electronic in the market 61 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,800 that takes the noise in and basically makes the ante 62 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:07,400 noise for your dog so that it doesn't hear the 63 00:04:07,479 --> 00:04:11,240 loud noises as much. And it also has the ability 64 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,479 so that you can play music or white noise for 65 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,519 them to help calm them down. And these are placed 66 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,560 in like a helmet basically around their head to help 67 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,319 it stay on. Like you said, there's plenty of things 68 00:04:22,319 --> 00:04:25,720 out there on the market. We don't disparage them. They 69 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,240 just didn't work for our dog. They work for a 70 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,720 lot of dogs out there, and we also recommend them, 71 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,879 like in conjunction with each other when your dog has 72 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,120 been struggling with this for a long time, because over 73 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,480 time they release a lot of cortisol in their system 74 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,319 and their fight or flight just becomes stronger and stronger, 75 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,920 and it takes a lot to countercondition them out. So 76 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,399 when we have really bad cases, of course, we want 77 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:51,439 everybody to try ponics, but we also say, hey, if 78 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,399 you have a thunder shirt, you might as well wear 79 00:04:53,439 --> 00:04:57,480 that too, because it's different compression points. And you know, 80 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:01,040 we haven't personally tried any of the aroma's out there, 81 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:03,199 but we've had a lot of customers say that, you know, 82 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,120 in in combination it helps. 83 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: I tried one for my cats and it was okay. 84 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:09,800 For my dogs, it didn't work. 85 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,759 Speaker 5: And all dogs are different, right, Like some dogs have 86 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:16,560 the problem at all. Some dogs, like just the vest 87 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:20,399 is a solution. Some dogs, you know, need every single 88 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:23,040 solution out there, just because they've been scared for so long. 89 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: Right now? Does ponics also work in the car for 90 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,759 dogs that are anxious in the car? 91 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 5: My other dog, Teddy, he is not so much afraid 92 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,000 of the loud noises. When he sees his sister Emma 93 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,199 put hers on for thunderstorms or fireworks, he's like, I 94 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,759 want mine, I want mine. But he's a boy that 95 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,800 gets very anxious in the car and gets carsicked very easily. 96 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,959 And I noticed on a couple of road trips if 97 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,160 I just put his own ponics on him, he chilled 98 00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:51,879 out and just went to bed and there was no 99 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:54,079 longer like you know, the big drool that comes with 100 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,000 the anxiety or any throw up. So it's been a 101 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,639 good solution for us to also use it for that, 102 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,759 And we've also taken it into our veterinary appointments to 103 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,959 help calm him down and kind of just be in 104 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:09,000 his little own space by himself. And it really seems 105 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,879 to work for him for different anxiety situations that may 106 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,519 not just be related to loud noises. 107 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 2: Okay, And to dive deeper into how it works, so 108 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:22,199 you know what it reminded me of. This shows how 109 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,519 old squallly am you know, the jughead kind of hat. 110 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,519 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yes, yeah, with the ear flaps. 111 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So it kind of looks like that, which 112 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,199 is adorable on your dogs. And it has, you know, 113 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,839 like you said, there's earphones inside. You can charge it, 114 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,360 of course not when your dog is, you know, not 115 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:44,759 on your dog. Charge it separately, and you can play 116 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,240 white noise. You can play other types of music as 117 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,040 well to get on your dog. 118 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 5: There's a lot of great studies out there that repeatedly 119 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,959 show that classical music and reggae because of the slow 120 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,639 beats per minute, have a very calming effect on shehell dogs. 121 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:03,720 And so I recommend that to our pet parents, and 122 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,240 they've agreed with me that their dogs tend to have 123 00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:11,800 certain favorite artists that they get drawn to, and whether 124 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:13,639 that's because you play it in your house a lot, 125 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,959 or it's a slow beats per minute, they really get 126 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:18,199 soothed and kind of just take it into a nap time. 127 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:21,800 We also have some other features that aren't as obvious. 128 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,720 It does wrap around their whole head, and they do 129 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,920 have pressure points like in their cheeks and of course 130 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,759 like in their forehead. So you'll notice when you're rubbing 131 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,879 your own dog that they kind of relax when you 132 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:37,079 hit those spots, and so we're adding a little pressure 133 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,399 to help induce those acupressure points to help calm them 134 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:40,839 as well. 135 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, we're going to talk more about pun X. 136 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:49,079 But you were on Shark Take and had an exciting experience. 137 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,920 I was, yes, I watched it. Can you tell us 138 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,240 about your experience? 139 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 5: Sure? All the whole team that produces it is just 140 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:02,199 a fantastic and no matter how scared you are or 141 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,240 how you don't want to go on TV, they really 142 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:08,519 take all the end of the scary work out of 143 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,480 it until you hit those doors, those doors that open 144 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,959 right before you walk down the hallway. It just kind 145 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,519 of resets you. And I was there standing and holding 146 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,800 Emma and all I remember, which didn't air, but it's 147 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:23,759 kind of funny, was the doors hadn't opened yet, and 148 00:08:23,839 --> 00:08:25,839 I just said, you know, Jesus, take the wheel and 149 00:08:25,879 --> 00:08:29,680 I thought it was internal. And afterwards the producers were like, 150 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:32,519 that was so cute. We don't know if it's so cute, 151 00:08:32,519 --> 00:08:34,159 and I was like, oh my god, I said that 152 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,919 out loud, like you just kind of like you know 153 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,039 what you're doing, but you don't because it's such a 154 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,519 huge set, and it's they have a vibe about it 155 00:08:42,639 --> 00:08:44,919 right to kind of like pump you up. But also 156 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,600 I have you a little intimidated of the sharks to 157 00:08:47,639 --> 00:08:50,360 make some good TV. But we got out there and 158 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:54,120 the sharks were wonderful. You don't get to see exactly 159 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,480 like how nice they are because sometimes you know that 160 00:08:57,039 --> 00:08:59,840 it's supposed to be sharks. So a little bit of 161 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,360 me was thrown back by that about just how nice 162 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,159 they were. Over the period of time that we were 163 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,919 out there, I have a lot of fan mail and 164 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,399 customers that say the Sharks didn't get it right, and 165 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,440 they all understand this challenge that we have with dogs 166 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,799 that are so scared of loud noises, so we love 167 00:09:17,039 --> 00:09:19,480 every time it re airs. We get a lot of 168 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,919 fan mail, whether it be on social media or direct emails. 169 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:27,720 So it's really great that not only are we helping dogs, 170 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,879 but we also provide a little entertainment factor for people 171 00:09:30,919 --> 00:09:33,600 that kind of know of the situation but maybe not 172 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,360 have a dog that has this, or maybe they're going 173 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:39,399 to adopt a dog in a couple of years right 174 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,679 and maybe have that situation, so they'll have us in 175 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,840 the back of the head. So it was a real 176 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:46,799 fun time. May not look like it for everybody all 177 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,240 the time on the show, but Emma and I had 178 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:50,120 a really good time. 179 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:50,519 Speaker 1: You know. 180 00:09:50,759 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: That's exactly what I wrote in my notes. Do you 181 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,159 think the sharks just did not get it because you've 182 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,919 presented fantastic? 183 00:09:58,159 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 5: Well, thank you, yeah right. 184 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: Mark, if you been gave you kudos, great, But all 185 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:05,600 the sharks were just at the end of it, you 186 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:09,159 didn't walk away with any deal with them. Although I 187 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,240 think you were so successful in presenting connics, they all said, 188 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,080 you know, oh, just get a foam thing and put 189 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,799 it on your dog's head. And I'm thinking, you guys 190 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,320 are smart, educated people, How do you not get this? 191 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:22,480 This is more than that. 192 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean at the time, there weren't that many 193 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:29,159 versions of something that was just like a hat for 194 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:32,519 your dog, right, So there also wasn't anything in the 195 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,840 dog space except for like invisible fences that was at 196 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,799 the price point that we're at that's one ninety nine, 197 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,320 and that's solely because of you know, the electronic that's 198 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,159 in there and everything that we did to put into 199 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,600 the electronic that specifically for the dog. They didn't get 200 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:50,320 it right, and they're used to operating at a much 201 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,120 lower price point at much higher, like very high volumes, 202 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:56,159 so that they can spin things really quick and get 203 00:10:56,159 --> 00:10:58,559 the margin that way. So I just wasn't a good 204 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,039 product for any other portfolio. And I can totally understand that. 205 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,120 I just wisher. I had like a really die hard 206 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,399 bet shark on the panel that day, but I didn't. 207 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:12,519 Speaker 2: Write because you know, you have the price point out there. 208 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,960 And for one ninety nine, think about the one time 209 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:19,399 your dog escapes, because that happens so much around you know, 210 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:22,639 July fourth and New Year's and times when there's loud 211 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,559 noises and dogs are nervous, your dog escapes and gets hurt. 212 00:11:26,799 --> 00:11:28,000 How much is that vet bill? 213 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:31,159 Speaker 5: It's a lot more, way more. The uptick is like 214 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,720 six times the volume goes into the shelters at that 215 00:11:34,879 --> 00:11:38,360 period of time. And it's no longer just fourth of July, right, 216 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,159 It's right now your neighbors are setting off fireworks for 217 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,759 like a month straight, right. 218 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: And if you live in a place where there's where 219 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:49,519 I am, where there's rain and thunderstorms and all that craziness, 220 00:11:49,919 --> 00:11:51,799 you know, you look at the cos benefit and there's 221 00:11:51,879 --> 00:11:55,679 just a huge value in ponics. Okay, We're gonna take 222 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,000 a short break and we'll come back and talk more 223 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:02,799 about how ponics works and super easy even if everyone listening. 224 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,759 If you're thinking technology can't handle it, yeah you can. 225 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,159 I'll be right back after this message. 226 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 6: Take a bite out of your competition. Advertise your business 227 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,120 with an ad in pet Life Radio podcasts and radio shows. 228 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:21,080 There is no other pet related media that is as 229 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,200 large and reaches more pet parents and pet lovers than 230 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:28,200 pet Life Radio with over seven million monthly listeners. 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So we 242 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:22,039 talked about the electronics. There's in the actual conics little 243 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:25,960 like cap there's or headset rather head what would you 244 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,120 call it a hat a dog. 245 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,279 Speaker 5: We call it a hat a helmet. I mean, okay, 246 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,279 rugby helmet, but it's super cute on your dog. 247 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: So it's really cute and there's little headphones inside and 248 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:41,720 it's chargeable. So how exactly do you set it up 249 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,360 and change music and all of that? Because some people 250 00:13:45,399 --> 00:13:48,399 out there, and I know because I save the emails 251 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,360 or like, technology is not for me. And it's not 252 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:54,480 only people that are really old. I get it from 253 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:57,759 all walks of age. So how easy is it to 254 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:58,759 set up? 255 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,039 Speaker 5: It's pretty easy. So so when you get it, we 256 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,639 recommend that you do a little treat training to introduce 257 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,360 your dog to it. Let them smell it, you know, 258 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,000 kind of offer a treat at the same time so 259 00:14:10,039 --> 00:14:13,240 they see it as a positive and not just always 260 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,759 associate it with a loud noise and a negative. Because 261 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:19,279 if you introduce it with positive reinforcement, they'll end up 262 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,480 asking for it over time, Like they will know that 263 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:23,919 a thunderstorm is coming long before you do, and they 264 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,399 will go and basically say, hey, something's wrong, I want 265 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:29,559 my ponics, like give it to me so you can 266 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,879 put it on their head. After a bit of treat training, 267 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,759 we suggest that right before loud noises, and then it's 268 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:38,080 simple because there's a little button to press and lights 269 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,320 will come on to tell you how much charging it has, 270 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,279 and then there's one blinking light that says that you 271 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,960 can pair it with something with bluetooth, so that could 272 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,000 be your iPhone or a tablet or a pad or 273 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,480 something that's a smart device where you can play music, 274 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,240 but you don't need to actually play the music for 275 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,720 it to work. So we had it so that the 276 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,360 active noise canceling is always on, and so if you 277 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,360 don't feel like pairying it or the bluetooth step is 278 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,919 a little challenging, we also have directions for that on 279 00:15:06,919 --> 00:15:09,679 our site. But it's that easy that basically it's on 280 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,519 and then you can put it on your dog's head 281 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:13,720 and kind of hang out with them, get them out 282 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,960 of shaking in the bathroom, get them back to cuddling 283 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,960 on the couch with you. Some people use it and 284 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,600 turn it on and take their dog for walks, because 285 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,519 you know, there's nothing worse than after fire works than 286 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:26,440 trying to get your dog to go to the bathroom, 287 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:30,639 so they find comfort there. How the electronic actually works 288 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:32,840 is that there's a couple of microphones in it that 289 00:15:32,919 --> 00:15:35,720 pick up on the loud noise and they go and 290 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:40,600 they basically, through the software program make the exact opposite 291 00:15:40,679 --> 00:15:44,519 of the noise, so that the wavelengths sorry for too 292 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,320 much physics, but the wavelengths will knock each other down 293 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,159 as it goes into your dog's ear. And so that's 294 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:54,600 the main benefit of this noise canceling. Everything else is 295 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:57,159 a nice to have to help calm your dog down 296 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:01,639 and change their reaction over time to the loud noises. 297 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,039 Speaker 2: It's an incredible product. Do you foresee something for cats? 298 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,159 I know it's like mission impossible to get any clothing 299 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,720 on cats, but my doggies are now in doggy Heaven, 300 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,759 so now I have cats. My tester, though Tilly, is neurotic, 301 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,679 and she did really great with her products, but I 302 00:16:20,799 --> 00:16:23,080 was wondering. I almost wanted to try to put it 303 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,720 on one of my cats, and I thought it might 304 00:16:24,759 --> 00:16:25,360 freak them out. 305 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,039 Speaker 5: The only thing is that with the cat's head, since 306 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:33,039 they're so small like the little dogs, is that sometimes 307 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,159 it becomes a weight issue because of the current size 308 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:39,320 of the electronic So sometimes, like I have had a 309 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,600 couple of cats and they just go into like the 310 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:46,279 little petrified stance right where they're more like, oh, this 311 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:49,320 feels different more so than having it on their head. 312 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,399 So when we can figure out how to get a 313 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,039 speaker to be small enough for a cat, then we 314 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,960 totally will do it. But right now we have challenges 315 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,519 like everybody else did in the chip market, and we're 316 00:17:01,559 --> 00:17:04,319 focusing on the core, and then when we can have 317 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,279 research and development time to figure out how to make 318 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:09,519 it smaller, we totally will. We didn't want to go 319 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,599 the air bud route right of like putting something in 320 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,160 your animal's ear, because I personally don't know how far 321 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,200 it can go in or not, and I wouldn't want 322 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,759 people to be damaging their pets ears. So that's why 323 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:24,680 we went with the you know, kind of lays into 324 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,599 the ear or is over the top of the ear, 325 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:30,079 so that there was no worry of how far do 326 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:30,960 I insert this. 327 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: I think that was this smart move because their ears 328 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:37,839 are sensitive and for dogs, for cats, I have two 329 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,079 cats with ear hematobas, which is supposed to be a 330 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,400 rare thing. So why did two thirds of my feelines 331 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,400 have it? I don't know, but I know about their 332 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,000 ears even more than I want to as a pet 333 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:52,079 parent because of that, and I think it's smarter to 334 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,799 lay it over. What about sizes you mentioned, you know 335 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,640 it's a little hard for smaller dogs, So what is 336 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,559 the range of canine that the pawn expit? 337 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 5: So the smallest we basically say if your dog's head 338 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,799 is eight inches in diameter and the vertical so like 339 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,960 around the top of their head through their chin, then 340 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:15,200 the extra small is pretty good. And then we have 341 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,599 sizes all the way up to our friendly Great Danes 342 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,720 and Pyrenees and big guys and an extra large. 343 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,599 Speaker 2: Does the ponics stay on pretty well? Do dogs keep 344 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,440 it on? I know we talked about in the first 345 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:30,559 half of treat training, but once it's on and they 346 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:32,599 get used to it, they keep it on for the 347 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:33,079 most part. 348 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, for the most part they keep it on. A 349 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:37,559 lot of dogs just end up chilling out, relaxing and 350 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,480 kind of going to sleep. The more active dogs can 351 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:43,119 be a little challenging, so we have some velcrol loops 352 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,119 around that can go around their collar. We added a 353 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,920 bungee since launch, so it can act like a hoodie 354 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:51,440 and kind of tighten around their face to help puld 355 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,599 it on. So we've done a lot of you know, 356 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,880 comfort engineering, I'll call it from feedback from our customers 357 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,240 over the past four years, and I think we're at 358 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,799 a good spot of more about relaxation. We're working on 359 00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:11,920 some versions that maybe for more active dogs and dogs 360 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,559 that are in airplanes and more for protection of hearing 361 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,839 than dogs actually being scared, and so those may be 362 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,720 a little more streamlined and a little more helmety and 363 00:19:21,799 --> 00:19:24,759 a little bit more compressing to help fit. So stay 364 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:27,000 tuned for those because we're still in the research and 365 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:30,359 development and phase of that, but we are working on 366 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,519 new versions, and the current versions stays on pretty well 367 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:35,440 as long as you kind of have a chill dog. 368 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,720 If you have a super active, ramunctious dog, then they 369 00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:40,400 may not want to keep it on their head, and 370 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,440 we just urge you to, you know, kind of try 371 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,880 some more treat training to see if they'll stay calm 372 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:50,079 and introduce it kind of more at nap time and 373 00:19:50,599 --> 00:19:52,960 times where they're not as rambunctious. 374 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: And that's pretty much true for just about anything you're introducing, 375 00:19:57,759 --> 00:20:00,960 you know, take them to the dog park around first, 376 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,960 wait till they're chill, you know, because when dogs are 377 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:06,880 high strung, it's hard to introduce them to anything new. 378 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,200 What about puppies. 379 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 5: We've done a couple puppies, and generally the biggest concern 380 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:14,920 is what if my dog grows out of it? And 381 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,640 we're pretty generous to work with sizing, like if we 382 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,960 get the sizing wrong on the first time, we offer 383 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:24,759 a free swapout of sizing of the outer headset. And 384 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,400 same with puppies. Right like, you don't know how fast 385 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:30,000 they're going to grow out, especially if you're not exactly 386 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:32,319 sure what kind of breed they are and how big 387 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,960 they'll be, especially if you get a rescue puppy. So 388 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,480 we suggest getting you know the size they are right now, 389 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,720 and then come next season if it's spring, summer, fireworks specific, 390 00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:46,839 then we'll work with you to just swap out then 391 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:48,000 for the new size. 392 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: It's perfectly safe for puppies. Ears. 393 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,079 Speaker 5: Yes, we have a limiter on it that right now 394 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,559 is fifty five decibels because we wanted to make sure 395 00:20:56,559 --> 00:20:59,920 that we weren't introducing any new hearing damage or anything 396 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,160 for any of the dogs of any age. 397 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 2: Okay, so what about keeping it clean? Are there she's 398 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,319 with that or does it hold up? 399 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,839 Speaker 5: Holds up pretty well? It's wicking fabric, so you know, 400 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,599 they can get it dirty. They can you know, have 401 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,119 fur all over it. And the electronic is removable. It's 402 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,640 actually in little pockets when you flip the thing inside 403 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,519 out so that you can actually pop it in the 404 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,599 wash and put it in the dryer on a low 405 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:27,400 temperature heat. 406 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: And we didn't mention this, but it comes in really 407 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:32,680 cute colors, so you sent me pink, thank you. Tilly's 408 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,160 a female and she's i think part pitball, so it 409 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,839 looks really adorable because she's she's a very friendly dog, 410 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,640 a little bit you know, kind of strong puppy, and 411 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,440 she has this cute little pink ponted sign. So I 412 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,519 already spelled it and said pink. But it comes in 413 00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:48,720 some other colors as well. 414 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 5: Yes, So our most popular is a gray, which is 415 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,559 like a heather gray, so it's not a solid gray. 416 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,799 And then we have a lighter pink, Yeah, it's more 417 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,799 like a hot pink, and then a lighter blue i'd say, 418 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,960 kind of more on the Caribbean tropical side than you know, 419 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:09,599 a navy or anything, so can go. Those two colors 420 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,400 can go year round. And then we have a red 421 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,880 because you know, sometimes the boys don't want to have 422 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,279 a softer blue, and sometimes they'd like a different option 423 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,839 than the gray. So you know, red's a very good 424 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,680 strong color for boys and girls. So we have four 425 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,440 colors to choose from and the five sizes. 426 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,839 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, I know that you've gotten some great reviews. 427 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,480 Can you have a customer store you could share? 428 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 5: Sure. One of my favorites is Charles. He was one 429 00:22:40,519 --> 00:22:44,039 of our first customers. He's a very large dog, so 430 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,960 we actually had to make the extra largest specific for him, 431 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:51,880 and his ears are very wide, so we went ahead 432 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,960 and made an extra wide, long eared version for him. 433 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,400 And his mom is so great she sends us feedback 434 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,279 all the time. First Charles didn't like wearing something on 435 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:04,559 his head, and then he got used to it, and 436 00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:07,440 then he would ask for it, and you know, the 437 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:09,720 summer season, he was wearing it all the time. And 438 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,000 then his mom actually forgot where she put it in 439 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:14,599 the house and couldn't find it. And so since she 440 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,319 posts so much on social media about how great it 441 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,359 is for Charles and how he also kind of tunes 442 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,680 out his other dog siblings when he's in it, that 443 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:26,880 we were happy to replace it because she never ended 444 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,759 up finding it, but we just love that over the 445 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:33,400 past four years that Charles has found so much relief 446 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,519 in it that we were happy to replace it because 447 00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:39,160 we really just our mission is just to relieve stress 448 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,119 and anxiety from pets and pet parents. So not only 449 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,559 did it help Charles, it helped his mom, Pam and 450 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:48,960 the whole family. So we're super happy that, you know, 451 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:51,440 we could continue to help, and that's that's one of 452 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,319 our favorite stories. 453 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: I love it. It brought up a question, if you 454 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,079 don't mind answering, is Ponduc's also good. You said that 455 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,920 when Charles was wearing, if he would chill out from 456 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,039 his oblut siblings, if the dog is just a little anxious, 457 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,359 like you know, you when you adopt a new dog 458 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,039 and bring it into your home, and especially if there's 459 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,839 other dogs there, your dog can be anxious, and some 460 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,279 dogs just roll that way, they're just anxious dogs. Can 461 00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:19,279 it help just with that as well as you know, 462 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,640 the other triggers like loud noise and thunder and so forth. 463 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 5: Yes, I think so, of course, I'm you know, not 464 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,319 in the anxious dog's head. But what I've what I've 465 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,000 seen and what I've heard from customers is that it's 466 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,920 helping in a multitude of situations that we didn't we 467 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,119 didn't set out to market for, right, so we we say, 468 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,880 you know, it's great for the major things, the thunderstorms, 469 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,720 the fireworks. We also have videos of our our own 470 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:50,759 dogs and customers and cars and helping them in airplanes. 471 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:52,759 Those are kind of the obvious, but what we weren't 472 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:55,839 thinking about also was like, oh, what have I called 473 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,440 it a power tool season? 474 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 3: Right? 475 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 5: Like, you may have things going on in your house 476 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,240 where you're getting a little remodeling done, or maybe something's 477 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:07,720 loud outside and dogs have benefited from that, especially when 478 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,759 you're in the city and you're living in an apartment 479 00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:13,480 and no control over like jackhammering going on outside. So 480 00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:16,200 there's been a lot of customers giving feedback of all 481 00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:19,839 sorts of situations that they've found their dog finding comfort 482 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,640 that we didn't think to market to. 483 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,839 Speaker 2: That's so interesting. Kerston Pnics also does some giving back. 484 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,279 Can you share that with us? 485 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 5: We not only physically help out at shelters, but when 486 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,759 you buy a Ponix, there's a portion of the proceeds 487 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,599 that goes back to two of our favorite charities. One 488 00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:47,200 is the Old Old Muzzle Sanctuary, which is basically this 489 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,839 fible one C three that goes and rescues older dogs 490 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,279 that aren't being adopted out of shelters because of how 491 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,359 old they are. And seeing that we have our own 492 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,519 old dog that really really is next to us, our hearts. 493 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:04,000 And then where we are in Michigan, right next to Detroit, 494 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,839 there's a really great rescue called Rebel Dogs, and we 495 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,440 donate to them as well, because these ladies that run 496 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,079 this organization, they will go out when it is negative 497 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:17,519 ten degrees out and be saving dogs. They will go 498 00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:20,480 out in the pouring rain, They open their houses and 499 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:24,119 rooms when the shelter's overflowing, and it's just it's such 500 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,640 a great organization, especially when we live in a town 501 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:31,039 that is having food scarcities and things, and just going 502 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:32,920 out and being able to take care of these dogs 503 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,640 is so important. And then also when people hit us 504 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,519 up for their own charity events, we are super happy 505 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:43,440 to help out because not everybody knows about us. And 506 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,440 then it's really great when somebody at a charity event 507 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:48,200 is like, oh, well, you know, there's a bunch of 508 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,400 collars or stuff like that, and then they stumble upon 509 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,559 something like ponics that can really help their dog. It's 510 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:56,400 a great benefit not only going back to the charity 511 00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:59,519 that is getting the money for their own use, but 512 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:04,240 then whoever receives the ponics does so and as a 513 00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:05,480 benefit for their own dog. 514 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,559 Speaker 2: That's wonderful. Where can people find comics? 515 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 5: Sure you can finance at ponics dot com. That's paw 516 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:18,519 nix dot com and we're on all the social medias 517 00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:21,000 as ponics, A and C. 518 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, and you also have on your website you 519 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,599 have frequently ask questions. You have sizes, colors, pictures, all 520 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,599 of that. Yes, so they can find everything out. I 521 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,039 can't wait to see what you're coming out with next. 522 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,480 Thank you so much for coming on Best. 523 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,319 Speaker 5: Bets for pet Thank you for having us. 524 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 2: I hope you all enjoyed this show. I tried Ponics 525 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,279 on Tillie. She is my dog tester and she's a 526 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:51,519 little high strung and I was so impressed with ponics. 527 00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:55,559 She took to it quickly and mellowed out. Normally she 528 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,680 just goes nutso with loud noises and bangs. I was 529 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,440 throw So check it out ponics dot com. Thank you 530 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:07,039 Tilly for being my Ponics tester. Thank you to my 531 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,240 guest Kirsten Brandford coming on Best Bets for Pets and 532 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,640 telling us all about ponics. Thanks to everybody that's been 533 00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:17,480 listening to Best Bets for Pets for fourteen years. I 534 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,519 so appreciate your listenership, and of course the show would 535 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,200 not be the same without the magic of Mark Winter, 536 00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,680 my producer. Thank you Mark for making me and my 537 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,200 guests sound amazing. Now, remember you never know what we're 538 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,759 going to have next on Best Bets for Pets. 539 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: Let's Talk Pets every week on demand only on Petlife 540 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:54,519 Radio dot com.