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Speaker 2: What? What's going to happen? What?
Speaker 1: Welcome to another Headless Giants magical mail bag. I have
Speaker 1: my guest Nick with me, and if you guys enjoy
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Speaker 1: Tonight, We've got a couple of glyphs to bring you
Speaker 1: and a couple of pieces of mail. So why don't
Speaker 1: we start with you, Nick, show the people.
Speaker 2: Your glyph all right today?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you gotta pull it up on you right. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking it's my streamyarding.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 4: So today today we got Demnus Hieroglyphica, which was published
Speaker 4: in fifteen sixty or created by John d. It is
Speaker 4: both a symbol and a philosophical treatise expressed through a
Speaker 4: single glyph that De.
Speaker 2: Called the monass.
Speaker 4: It's a mix of astrological and alchemical symbols designed to
Speaker 4: represent the interconnectedness of all things and serve as a
Speaker 4: key to understanding the universe.
Speaker 2: As you can see here, it.
Speaker 4: Has the sun soul circle with a dot, symbolizing the
Speaker 4: divine masculine principle and the source of light in life.
Speaker 4: Then you have the moon Luna, a crescent representing the
Speaker 4: feminine material world and receptivity, and then the cross signifying
Speaker 4: the four elements earth, air, fire, water and their unity,
Speaker 4: reflecting the hermetic concept of the quaternary and the ternary,
Speaker 4: the four elements harmonized with the divine trinity. And then
Speaker 4: there is the symbol of ares, linked to fire and transformation,
Speaker 4: often associated with alchemical purification. These elements are arranged in
Speaker 4: a specific way to show thee's vision of cosmic unity.
Speaker 4: He believes that the monass held a kind of like
Speaker 4: a mystic or an occult significance, acting as a tool
Speaker 4: for spiritual and intellectual insight. You would suggest a meditating
Speaker 4: or he would to unlock hidden knowledge and even communicate
Speaker 4: with angels.
Speaker 2: Supposedly, d saw it as.
Speaker 4: A representation of a fundamental illness of creation, influenced by
Speaker 4: celestial and terrestrial forces, and just real quick, before I
Speaker 4: shut up. The Rosicrucians adopted the Monasque glyph. It appears
Speaker 4: in the chemical wedding of Christian Rosenkrutz in sixteen sixteen. Supposedly,
Speaker 4: the monass also influenced alchemists like and I covered this guy,
Speaker 4: Heinrich Kunrath and Gerald Dorn and supposedly the glyph's influence
Speaker 4: reached a new world through figures like John Winthrop the Younger,
Speaker 4: the alchemist and Puritan, who used the monass as his
Speaker 4: personal mark.
Speaker 2: So there we go.
Speaker 1: I think what's also interesting about that is it produces
Speaker 1: the sign for.
Speaker 3: Hermes.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, I'm gonna think that's that's go ahead,
Speaker 4: no go no, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: The sign for.
Speaker 1: Hermes is important because they always say that he's the
Speaker 1: one who travels between the realms. So it's connecting all
Speaker 1: things in the one thing. And so that's what John
Speaker 1: d was going for in his Monus high Hieroglyphica. This
Speaker 1: is the thing for all things, so you can use
Speaker 1: it in your magical practice to connect with all things.
Speaker 2: Well, I think even if you look at it that way,
Speaker 2: I think it's even showing you that.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's taking the masculine and the feminine energy's
Speaker 4: putting it together.
Speaker 2: And what do you get.
Speaker 4: You get something that looks like the mercury glyph Mercury.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's saying something about mercury, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Even in the Kabbala, the symbol one of the symbols
Speaker 4: that can be used for which goes with mercury is
Speaker 4: a hermaphrodite. I think that's very much what the Prince
Speaker 4: was doing with his glyph and the way he presented himself.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And understanding that principle of hermes or the idea
Speaker 1: of identifying the flow and getting into the states of
Speaker 1: consciousness that will connect to with everything is also one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why you should do the meditations on
Speaker 1: this glyph is because the idea is to slow the
Speaker 1: mind and spread out the consciousness, and that's really how
Speaker 1: you're going to get the maximum kind of harvest for
Speaker 1: your efforts. And so I think the John d glyphs
Speaker 1: that he comes up with are really interesting to ponder.
Speaker 1: And if you get into the whole idea of naki
Speaker 1: and magic, you're going to want to have time to
Speaker 1: meditate on stuff like this while working on it, because
Speaker 1: it's supposed to go between all of the elements. So
Speaker 1: as you construct the tablets that are meant for the divination,
Speaker 1: you're going to want to know these things before getting
Speaker 1: into these rituals because you never know what you're.
Speaker 3: Going to get out of it.
Speaker 2: They say, don't play with stuff you don't understand.
Speaker 3: Exactly. This is like the precursor.
Speaker 1: So I got my glyph here, which is the the anchor. Now,
Speaker 1: this anchor was the symbol for the Selucidian Empire. And
Speaker 1: you'll notice right in there you got the cross, you
Speaker 1: got the idea of the three pronged you know, Trinitarian
Speaker 1: symbol of Poseidon, right, So you've got a lot of
Speaker 1: other glyphs mashed into this one. Now, the Selucitian Empire
Speaker 1: was the one that took over after the death of
Speaker 1: Alexander the Great in the region of Asia Minor all
Speaker 1: the way over to.
Speaker 3: Iran and close to India. So it was all over
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 1: And what they telling you with this lyft anytime you
Speaker 1: see it, this has to do with trade, right, and
Speaker 1: so the Selucitian Empire thought that they could be the
Speaker 1: new trading empire that they knew of in this sort
Speaker 1: of region of the world.
Speaker 3: So we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Syria, Israel, all of the stuff in between, Lebanon, all
Speaker 1: the rest of these places were very highly inducted into
Speaker 1: the trading systems of the ancient world. And by having
Speaker 1: the Selucitian Empire being closely related to all that, you
Speaker 1: know what they were trying to do was own all
Speaker 1: the trades. So the Canaanites, the Phoenicians, all the rest
Speaker 1: of that stuff that was in this area, all the
Speaker 1: Canaanite and Phoenician stuff had fallen pretty much by that time,
Speaker 1: and you had their Punic Empire kind of falling apart
Speaker 1: by the time that the Selucidians sort of came to prominence.
Speaker 1: And that doesn't even bring into the fact the Punic Wars.
Speaker 1: But I've also been looking into Ugarit, and ugar It
Speaker 1: was a city that was right between the Egyptian Empire,
Speaker 1: which was all the way down into Egypt, going all
Speaker 1: the way up through Israel, all the way up through
Speaker 1: all those areas, right at this one little spot that
Speaker 1: was sort of the linkage between them and the Hittites.
Speaker 1: And so if you look into the bail cycle of mythology,
Speaker 1: you'll find a lot of stuff from the Bible a
Speaker 1: thousand years later. So they took a lot of the
Speaker 1: inspiration from the Ugarit bail cycle myths and put that
Speaker 1: directly into the Bible.
Speaker 3: Like he who rides the clouds.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that they talked about in
Speaker 1: the bail cycle myth And you can also find it
Speaker 1: in proverbs, so all of these honorifics and things, it
Speaker 1: came straight from.
Speaker 3: Ugart and you gar.
Speaker 1: It lasted a long time because they were the perfect
Speaker 1: entity not not to mess with. They kept the piece
Speaker 1: between the Egyptians and the Hittites, and so it was
Speaker 1: a very important place for its time, and so a
Speaker 1: lot of its mythology really held strong even past the
Speaker 1: fall of the Hittites, even past the fall of the Egyptians,
Speaker 1: even past the fall of the Selucidians. All of those
Speaker 1: mythologies really does shape the conscious mind of what we
Speaker 1: are today. And it all comes through this trading network
Speaker 1: on that eastern coastline of the Mediterranean.
Speaker 3: So that is my symbol.
Speaker 1: So if you guys want to know more about this stuff,
Speaker 1: look up agent ugar at myths and you'll find so.
Speaker 3: Much stuff on the Bible. It's incredible. So what do
Speaker 3: we have for our mail bag this week?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, so this is let's see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was somebody I think that might be sending
Speaker 4: you one on what they did in time.
Speaker 2: I do know the least one that was supposed to
Speaker 2: go to you.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's try to say I talked to you about
Speaker 4: possible guests for the show too.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, right, So I got this one from Douglas.
Speaker 1: It says, Hello the occult rejects, thank you for the
Speaker 1: great work, oh headless, thank you for reading this, Sincerely,
Speaker 1: DRII it would be my humble honor to tell you
Speaker 1: about my experience with the plasma or beings or whatever
Speaker 1: we are calling them these days. This is not only
Speaker 1: mystical or paranormal experience, so let me know if you
Speaker 1: want to know more. I would rather speak than write.
Speaker 1: This took me a long time to try and make readable.
Speaker 1: Scene Seattle, Washington, summer of two thousand and seven, late summer.
Speaker 1: It was hot as hell. I lived in a loft
Speaker 1: in a warehouse at the bottom floor of an old
Speaker 1: brick building built in nineteen ten, part of the town
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill, down the block from Comet Tavern. I was
Speaker 1: known at this time to have connections to certain substances
Speaker 1: and would trade them for other material substances. Let's say
Speaker 1: let's say that, as we know, people like to party anyways.
Speaker 1: I say this only so that you can comprehend the
Speaker 1: position I was in, because I'm pretty sure it's universal.
Speaker 1: When you have these types of things, people tend to
Speaker 1: hang out with you a lot more than if they
Speaker 1: were really your friends. A majority of people tend to
Speaker 1: turn out to be yes men when they want something.
Speaker 1: It's as if the people seem to fail to organize
Speaker 1: our higher desires in harmonic reality, look beyond.
Speaker 3: The desires of our transient state. Very true.
Speaker 1: It was in the early afternoon on this hot day
Speaker 1: in Seattle. I was out making deliveries and ran into
Speaker 1: my here too remain nameless friend. He had tickets to
Speaker 1: a rock show and demanded I come with him. I
Speaker 1: do my work, he does his hours later getting it lit.
Speaker 1: So we were off to see Radio Birdman this night,
Speaker 1: and the falling experiences.
Speaker 3: Changed my life forever.
Speaker 1: Radio Birdman a garage rock group that supposedly influenced Iggy
Speaker 1: Pop's style, while Iggy got all the faming credit. As
Speaker 1: the flow goes, I guess at the show a small club.
Speaker 1: I can't remember which club we were at. Regardless, we
Speaker 1: got really into the music. In between, buzzed and excited,
Speaker 1: I wandered off on my own, the musical performance actually
Speaker 1: giving rise in me to carefree dance. To say the least,
Speaker 1: Merging with the crowd has always been awkward and foreign
Speaker 1: as it is with all men, this was different. I
Speaker 1: gave in subtly to dancing. I felt a shift in
Speaker 1: the energy in the room, as I've noticed at other
Speaker 1: shows in the past when the crowds water merges in
Speaker 1: adoration for whatever the focus of the gathering. But in
Speaker 1: this case, I saw a small point of light leave
Speaker 1: the guitarist's body, which began flying and spinning around. Eventually
Speaker 1: it noticed me and came right over. We merged and
Speaker 1: continued dancing. Flashback two thousand and three or so, San Francisco,
Speaker 1: Water Street, Fisherman's Wharf.
Speaker 3: I've been there before. I had seen these orbs before once.
Speaker 1: It was only when I got a room of people
Speaker 1: to play wild improvisational music somewhat raptured into a state
Speaker 1: of bliss. The air became luminous, wispy, and thick with
Speaker 1: these small white orbs that came out. They came out
Speaker 1: of white light, the reflection in the eyes. Maybe that
Speaker 1: is a key for later, and they seemed to appear
Speaker 1: from around the sparkle, emanating from a genuinely blissful smile.
Speaker 1: I took all of this in from the room and
Speaker 1: realized I was playing well A determined a detriment to
Speaker 1: live music, always causing errors. Guitar string suddenly broke and
Speaker 1: the energy was swept out of the room by shock.
Speaker 1: ORBS vanished party moved on. Really didn't think too much
Speaker 1: of it, but it seemed obvious that they were attracted
Speaker 1: to blissful expressions of fun. This memory is why I
Speaker 1: assumed I wasn't disturbed by the idea of merging with
Speaker 1: the ORB but I'm pretty open to new things. Okay,
Speaker 1: back to Seattle after the show, with a new friend
Speaker 1: coming with me following me home from the club. As usual,
Speaker 1: I also had people waiting for me to pick up
Speaker 1: the phone, probably wondering about the vicinity near or on
Speaker 1: my street looking suspicious. Unnecessarily, who knows. We began the
Speaker 1: trek back buying cases of beer from the store. Of course,
Speaker 1: it sure takes a long time settling this situation up
Speaker 1: on paper so I can introduce the ORBS. It is
Speaker 1: important that I collect people that power the event. What
Speaker 1: happens next was hard to accomplish, and I can only
Speaker 1: imagine how hard this experience would be to achieve on purpose.
Speaker 3: We're getting close to the house.
Speaker 1: We arrived roommates in bed three am in the morning,
Speaker 1: if not later.
Speaker 3: It was dark. We were drunk.
Speaker 1: Long story shirt had been I had people in and
Speaker 1: out while getting acquainted with the guy that tagged along
Speaker 1: with me from the show. We were arguing about the
Speaker 1: differences of punk versus rock and rock and roll. At
Speaker 1: a certain point in any conversation with the human being,
Speaker 1: I learned it as pointless to keep talking. I told
Speaker 1: them to shut up and just play the guitar. I
Speaker 1: had to answer the door from the people I let
Speaker 1: in and out of my house. I got around eight
Speaker 1: or so of them to stay and play music with us.
Speaker 1: Even though a lot of these bodies and names may
Speaker 1: have continued to change throughout the night and into the
Speaker 1: next day, we maintained around a body count of eight.
Speaker 1: I did not realize this was important then see Lynn
Speaker 1: McTaggart's work. Somehow I dealt with all of the interruptions
Speaker 1: call short deliveries, the bar roommates, and bodily fluids like
Speaker 1: going pe when sustaining an ongoing musical event in my
Speaker 1: room while my roommates remained undisturbed. Question mark. In reflection,
Speaker 1: this seems impossible, but I swear all of this happened.
Speaker 1: I remember three long days of wild and frantic music.
Speaker 1: Basically having to kidnap a certain keys musically able body
Speaker 1: friends from their lives to accomplish this, which had severe
Speaker 1: long term effects on their relationships. Sorry, guys, how it happened,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I had to feed them a
Speaker 1: hefty amount of free party supplies, which I was up for.
Speaker 1: I covered my bottom line. I do remember the middle
Speaker 1: seeing my roommates briefly and giving them a bunch of
Speaker 1: grass or something.
Speaker 3: It must have bought me some time.
Speaker 1: So I had a group of around eight people, all
Speaker 1: dedicated to one task, playing live music. This was the
Speaker 1: hardest and I probably worked in my life, all the
Speaker 1: distractions and reasonable people never putting music first. For me
Speaker 1: to show my determination and stick to the task is
Speaker 1: shocking to me. The orb from the guitarist must have
Speaker 1: inspired me. It takes a lot of confidence in oneself
Speaker 1: to organize a bunch of sarcastic atheists. I usually been
Speaker 1: giving up this inspiration, but this time I didn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck and what the social structures wanted. I seriously
Speaker 1: pulled this off. Whatever it was, we played like the ocean,
Speaker 1: felt like time. Nah, it did not resemble time within
Speaker 1: the vortex of the pressure waves produced by a continuous song. Finally,
Speaker 1: after long long, it was I could keep up and
Speaker 1: stop playing. The room's music kept being generated. I had
Speaker 1: them sustaining their focus, completely undistracted by all of our
Speaker 1: pre existing habits. I didn't know it before, but it
Speaker 1: made sense. Then This was success. So I put down
Speaker 1: my guitar and began to rise. I raised my arms
Speaker 1: beside my head, and what was kind of known as
Speaker 1: the hecka posed and looked up to the ceiling. We
Speaker 1: disrupted the fabric of the beginning above my head. In
Speaker 1: the ceiling, I could see clouds forming, glowing, and expanding
Speaker 1: into a ring. Within this ring, the night sky, or
Speaker 1: a night sky filled with stars could be seen. As
Speaker 1: I looked up a maze that looked down to make
Speaker 1: sure folks kept playing. I could only see joy on
Speaker 1: their faces. And then the clouds kept growing and the
Speaker 1: stars began approaching. Two particular came in real close to
Speaker 1: the edge of the cloud. I say hello with my
Speaker 1: mind and welcome them to join us. With this, I
Speaker 1: extended my arms in an arc towards the scene still
Speaker 1: unfolding before me. I could see small white orbs materializing
Speaker 1: from the glare in the eyes, the reflective shimmer, and
Speaker 1: from this space surrounding their smiles where some people have dimples.
Speaker 1: The two exes rising up and flying about. The little
Speaker 1: one's bions played.
Speaker 3: As we played.
Speaker 1: No one else seemed to notice this. I looked up
Speaker 1: again to see two orbs light and beautiful, cool plasma blue.
Speaker 1: They seemed to be whispering to each other. By the
Speaker 1: look of the subtle oscillations as they shimmered in alternating codes,
Speaker 1: it appeared to me that they called over a third
Speaker 1: orb to come and look at our little party. The
Speaker 1: third orb and the clouds and I were now aligned.
Speaker 3: It was like he moved or the room moved. I
Speaker 3: really don't know.
Speaker 1: Don't quote me on this, okay, because maybe I suddenly
Speaker 1: had yeah, suddenly had a three D view, because remember
Speaker 1: both sides like two panoramas.
Speaker 3: Sorry not sorry. It was cool.
Speaker 1: Straight into my crown, A beam of blue light shot
Speaker 1: into my mind. Thousands or millions of pages of a
Speaker 1: document poured into me. A strange language of circles, a
Speaker 1: lot like crop circles, exactly like crop circles, expanded through me.
Speaker 1: I could sense that what I was receiving information that
Speaker 1: sex was the same thing as communication, that we as
Speaker 1: a society really don't understand anything. I could feel all
Speaker 1: the knowledge now surrounding me. This process was ongoing, but
Speaker 1: I began lowering my eyes to a different sensation. We
Speaker 1: were about to be interrupt Apparently my roommates had had enough.
Speaker 1: My door bust open. Music machine people stopped, completely shutting down.
Speaker 1: The light beamed mid transmission. I looked at what became
Speaker 1: one of my roommate's eyes. The orbs and the clouds vanished,
Speaker 1: as if frightened by the vibe coming through my open
Speaker 1: room door. The anger was pouring from her glasses was molten.
Speaker 1: It was chewable. I looked again to the orbs, but
Speaker 1: they were completely gone. She berating us or whatever uptight
Speaker 1: people that got to work in the morning and live
Speaker 1: normal lives like to do. The eight people started pouring
Speaker 1: out quietly, laughing. Like many times in my past. It
Speaker 1: was chaotic and awkward, but I believed in what I
Speaker 1: was doing way more than my nine or five, so
Speaker 1: I probably seemed very rude at the time. Me and
Speaker 1: one of the guitarists grabbed our instruments and hit the road,
Speaker 1: playing music through the streets. For a day or two
Speaker 1: till we returning to work. There is more, a lot
Speaker 1: more to the story of the negative encounter with spirit,
Speaker 1: just seems hypothetical and forced upon the experience by reflection
Speaker 1: and research. It all happened after the orb phenomena, so
Speaker 1: perhaps it should be viewed as separate. I will send
Speaker 1: a second email for what requires still editing.
Speaker 3: Simple warning.
Speaker 1: It's about the knowledge received by this interaction expands upon
Speaker 1: the hypothesis and other experiences forming in this It's all
Speaker 1: about music and water. Maybe I could come on the
Speaker 1: show and share the rest rather than spend two months
Speaker 1: trying as my writing goes, none has ever tried to
Speaker 1: read my writing aloud. Love the show, cheers Douglas.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: Like a wild story? I think if the person is
Speaker 4: willing to come on and be interesting to hear that
Speaker 4: that was a lot and not complaining like that, like
Speaker 4: what they said, that must have taken a while, right,
Speaker 4: That is.
Speaker 1: Well, but just kind of brings me back to the
Speaker 1: ancient world because they had these jams going on for
Speaker 1: days at a time to bring them into.
Speaker 2: These like ecstatic states.
Speaker 1: Exactly divine madness. They talk about it all over the place,
Speaker 1: you know. And one of the things about Anatolia is
Speaker 1: this is where Dionysus came from. So all of this
Speaker 1: sort of Turkey influence in degreece created this Dionysiac way
Speaker 1: of you know, communicating using this sort of divine madness.
Speaker 4: It was I actually have. I mean I think like
Speaker 4: in a month and a half, eventually they'll drop. I
Speaker 4: have like Robert Flood and Marsilia Facino that I did
Speaker 4: like solo shows on myself, and both of them were
Speaker 4: huge into music as like they think it can heal,
Speaker 4: they think it can help have an experience with God.
Speaker 4: Like they were huge into believing that music would would
Speaker 4: you do stuff to the body.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: But what he's doing is he's kind of combining the
Speaker 1: idea of affect with music and then using the affect
Speaker 1: that it creates over a long period of time and
Speaker 1: getting it precise into the exact sort of feeling that
Speaker 1: he wanted to get out of it. Because I think
Speaker 1: what a lot of people find when they're doing music
Speaker 1: is that sometimes the way people feel.
Speaker 3: Are influencing the music in ways that they probably don't,
Speaker 3: you know, expect. Just want to say thank you. John
Speaker 3: Donald Ferguson for the five dollars, thank you. So if
Speaker 3: they get.
Speaker 1: Into this groove, they have this affect and they're building
Speaker 1: upon it, it almost seems like they're opening up a
Speaker 1: portal to another way of viewing things.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: It devotion. What are your thoughts, Nick, I know you've
Speaker 3: been to a few raves.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, I mean I find it interesting finally,
Speaker 4: like just the fact that like you went like that.
Speaker 2: It's just.
Speaker 4: It was a very interesting thing. I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: know if that's like it was just the thing that
Speaker 4: they did. Is that a movement that they would normally?
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 4: That's like because that's like a thing that I would
Speaker 4: I would do in certain rituals.
Speaker 2: So it's just like.
Speaker 4: It's interesting that the person makes that pose during that
Speaker 4: whole thing. It just seems very uh, I don't know
Speaker 4: wild you.
Speaker 3: Know, well he said another pose too.
Speaker 1: I didn't exactly recognize it. Let me see, uh extended
Speaker 1: in an arc.
Speaker 2: I like the ideas of the stars and stuff.
Speaker 3: I found that interesting, right, So the ceiling opened up?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that yeah, that that part, that
Speaker 4: part I was actually like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: That was interesting?
Speaker 3: So the heck a pose have you Do you recognize
Speaker 3: that pose?
Speaker 2: No, but I'm wondering if it's no.
Speaker 4: I'm not exactly sure, but I've heard of it, like
Speaker 4: I might actually know what it is, but I'm not
Speaker 4: exactly sure.
Speaker 1: It sounds like the Egyptian word for their frog deity
Speaker 1: h e k A oh jinks.
Speaker 4: They don't really have like the finger of them looks
Speaker 4: like it's like the silence.
Speaker 3: It's the figure of the mouth, that's right, the finger
Speaker 3: of the mouth.
Speaker 2: That's what I was even that Like, it's just it
Speaker 2: just seems very.
Speaker 4: Just like certain things just seem pretty pretty weird, Like
Speaker 4: these are ritual poses.
Speaker 2: That's the sign of silence. That's that's done in the
Speaker 2: same ritual where I said, you go this very interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just seems very interesting that all of that
Speaker 4: is is there with the situation going on in some
Speaker 4: form somehow. You know, what I'm saying may not even
Speaker 4: been intentional. It's just interesting how these things, those those
Speaker 4: body movements popped up in a situation.
Speaker 3: Like this, right, and you've you've also got.
Speaker 1: Oh, who's that guy, the one who had his discourses
Speaker 1: on colors and dance? He was bald, had the big
Speaker 1: old mustache. He came from like Russia. I believe he
Speaker 1: ran away from the UH, the communists.
Speaker 3: God, what's his name? I should know his name.
Speaker 1: It's the one that the UH, the the cult out
Speaker 1: in San Francisco with the wine and the delivery.
Speaker 2: Oh God, you know that guy? Oh God, that.
Speaker 3: What's his name?
Speaker 4: The guy from the Fellowship of Friends. I can't remember
Speaker 4: his name.
Speaker 3: Though, right, but it was based off of the work.
Speaker 2: Of Oh Gerd Jeff. Yes, yes, yes, we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was huge with music too, Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a very Gourd Jeffy in experience. So
Speaker 1: if Donald, if you're watching this, Douglas, look into ger
Speaker 1: Jeff because he was all about that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: If you want to have a repeat experience.
Speaker 3: And you know, the Gerdia.
Speaker 1: Method leads a lot of people to understanding things that
Speaker 1: they shouldn't. You know, it's just like this repetition, the
Speaker 1: idea of this dancing and using the mental states that
Speaker 1: come from that are very powerful and sort of expanding
Speaker 1: the understanding. So using that gurgiaf method is really powerful
Speaker 1: in those regards. And you know, there's a reason why
Speaker 1: all of this stuff from Gurdjief keeps being used.
Speaker 3: Over and over again. Yeah, there was even so good.
Speaker 4: I don't know if this is part of it, but
Speaker 4: there's a cult that I was going to cover eventually.
Speaker 2: The value that one. I think it's cool.
Speaker 4: And I actually have a clip with Bramovich there and
Speaker 4: I know they were this. This cult was also big
Speaker 4: with like performances I think too in music and sound
Speaker 4: and shit. And she had said that she thought that
Speaker 4: there was like she was just labeling different type of
Speaker 4: symbolism and occultism or ideas that she sees blended in there.
Speaker 2: And she did mention Gurdja. So I wonder has anything
Speaker 2: to do with the music.
Speaker 1: Well, if you're going to organize something like that, maybe
Speaker 1: do it away from your roommates and do it with
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who are into it.
Speaker 3: Probably won't have to go for days to get the
Speaker 3: same reaction. But I think I think.
Speaker 1: Having sort of like have you ever heard of the
Speaker 1: ConA power ritual the Wickeds? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4: You know a lot of magicians and whitches will use
Speaker 4: music and play the role that is like a way
Speaker 4: to raise the power. That is a common thing, right,
Speaker 4: especially if you're doing like something Marshall definitely gonna want
Speaker 4: some like tribal beats going.
Speaker 1: And I think the eight is also an important factor
Speaker 1: here too, because that's how you're getting the complete circle
Speaker 1: the octave.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I like it man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's all I got for today.
Speaker 1: I thought I had another one, but that was actually
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah that was from uh scheduled interview I
Speaker 1: got coming up on the twenty ninth.
Speaker 4: Oh well that's I mean, that's that was That was
Speaker 4: long enough to anyway, right, right, that was good.
Speaker 2: Indeed, definitely even like another one to get the person on.
Speaker 1: Right, I'd love to have them on This would be great.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think there needs to be
Speaker 1: a kind of a mechanic course, right, So if you're
Speaker 1: designing rituals, if you're trying to do these things, you
Speaker 1: should have like a trained professional that gets in there,
Speaker 1: gets people in their positions and says, all right, now go,
Speaker 1: you know, because far too often if you don't have
Speaker 1: the right mindset, if you don't have the right guy directing,
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a good experience. Like this guy,
Speaker 1: he had to direct all these people for days doing
Speaker 1: a jam band and probably would it wouldn't have taken
Speaker 1: so long if you'd had the right commitment and the
Speaker 1: right you know, mechanic doing the doing the placement. You know,
Speaker 1: but you know that has a lot to do with
Speaker 1: everything else that can get in the way.
Speaker 3: Ritual.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got to have your dark side under lock.
Speaker 1: You're not going to want to have people who have
Speaker 1: this extreme paranoia associated with all these drugs and everything
Speaker 1: that you're slipping out to everybody, and you're probably not
Speaker 1: going to want to have the burning rage of your roommates.
Speaker 2: Just find.
Speaker 3: There's music coercion.
Speaker 1: I believe in some cases, yeah, use music can be
Speaker 1: used as a coercive influence.
Speaker 2: That's why I said, Okay, I think it can be
Speaker 2: if you want it to be right, Yeah, right. I
Speaker 2: mean maybe it is a general regardless. I don't who knows.
Speaker 1: As as our friend Ricardo was saying, you know, if
Speaker 1: you were to take the experience of a rave and
Speaker 1: then give that to a shaman, you'd be like, you're
Speaker 1: lucky you made it out with your head on your shoulder.
Speaker 2: Especially with all the drugs you just too well, it
Speaker 2: was there to take if you wanted to.
Speaker 1: You take all these drugs and you sit around here
Speaker 1: you dance around until all the spirits can possess you.
Speaker 4: It's kind of you probably dehydrate yourself just as much
Speaker 4: as like one of those those things that they go
Speaker 4: into that people pass out in.
Speaker 2: I forgot the name of it, all.
Speaker 3: Right, Mally's going to dehydrate the fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why they charge it, you know what, like
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars for a water bottle at these events.
Speaker 3: But you know, gotta look out, you know what that
Speaker 3: gh be in there.
Speaker 1: But I think, uh, I think, yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: good event. I'll email him back and said if we
Speaker 1: can get him on the show again. But if you
Speaker 1: got anything else, anything to promote, I think that would
Speaker 1: be a good time to do that.
Speaker 2: Uh No, let me see what I have. What we
Speaker 2: have coming out next week. I don't know I really
Speaker 2: have anything to prove.
Speaker 4: Oh, we do have some Shumerian deities. You were on that,
Speaker 4: we got that ed you were on that. I think
Speaker 4: were you on the Coral Castle went too?
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
Speaker 3: I was yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: So the next two shows next week, Wednesday and Friday,
Speaker 4: we got me and we got Headless Giant, and we
Speaker 4: got other people joining us. But we got Sumerian Shumerian Deities,
Speaker 4: which I thought actually was an amazing show.
Speaker 2: With great pill podcast.
Speaker 4: I think we do have something set up with him
Speaker 4: or ready to cover something else together. And then we
Speaker 4: had the Coral Castle with the Library of the Untold
Speaker 4: fucking awesome dude, amazing fucking channel. It was amazing that
Speaker 4: the guy even came on the fucking show with us.
Speaker 4: It was a bunch of us together, had a really
Speaker 4: good time talking about Coral Castle. Fucking Robbie Marks, lucky motherfucker,
Speaker 4: was there just a few days ago, sending pictures to us,
Speaker 4: putting them up on Twitter, went to Coral Castle. Good
Speaker 4: for him. But uh yeah, yeah, we got those two
Speaker 4: shows dropping next week. I think they're very very good
Speaker 4: shows actually, So people keep an eye over that.
Speaker 1: And if you guys live in the Florida area and
Speaker 1: you do play instruments and you're okay with some light trespassing,
Speaker 1: maybe we can all go to the Coral Castle and
Speaker 1: open up a portal ourselves.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll try to do that on Mountain Pilot. Oh,
Speaker 2: I forgot all about that. I forgot all about that,
Speaker 2: So I gotta fill it up paperwork. I've been so
Speaker 2: stuck in notes for podcast thing.
Speaker 4: I totally forgot about that, but yeah, yeah, yeah there
Speaker 4: could be something who knows that might happen to.
Speaker 3: Man. I mean, see, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: People very rarely introduced, like formal magic into their paranormal
Speaker 1: research because they're like, oh, that's just people doing stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, yeah, but that's how these things are
Speaker 1: coming through. It's through your perception and your ability to
Speaker 1: you know, connect with them. So why are we doing that?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what all the ancient oracles were
Speaker 1: all about, this very thing right here we're talking about.
Speaker 4: I do even think like, like you put it this
Speaker 4: way and that to bring him up again. But like
Speaker 4: even the stuff that Ricardo looks at, I think like,
Speaker 4: if you're looking at that, I think that explained. That
Speaker 4: can explain to a certain extent why people think magic
Speaker 4: even exists, Like this is the explanation for the weird
Speaker 4: shit you don't understand, you know, it's just I think
Speaker 4: there is some of that there.
Speaker 2: So it all has to do with frequency.
Speaker 1: I think far too many people have this idea that
Speaker 1: paranormal stuff takes place outside of the body and not
Speaker 1: inside the body, Like you are the mystery.
Speaker 3: You know, you say it all the time, but right,
Speaker 3: it's both.
Speaker 1: But you're the mystery too, and connecting with that is
Speaker 1: very very important.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that huge difference, doing that huge difference, right,
Speaker 4: but yeah, yeah again, check it out next week.
Speaker 2: Definitely got some bangers. I don't think you call rejects
Speaker 2: hells is there? All right?
Speaker 1: Well, thank you everybody for joining me, and we're at
Speaker 1: thirty three minutes, so that that's the time.
Speaker 3: To beat all right. We'll see you again next time. Bye, everybody.