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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome in post Halloween edition. November is here edition,
Week eleven edition of the Florida Football Insider's podcast, part
of the College Gridiron Coast to Coast podcast Network. I'm
your host, Jason down in Tampa. We had a very
eventful week in the United States of America. Lots of
stuff going on, NFL trade deadline, something called an election,
and lots and lots of stuff going on in the
college football world. The college football rankings came out for
the first time on the Tuesday, so lots to talk
about here from a Tuesday night and the week that was.
And we're gonna do a little different this week, and
no recap by me. We're gonna TJ Reeves, my guy
Buccaneer Radio network, very dialed in around the state of Florida.
He hosts bet USTv. He hosts boxing podcast, College Football Stuff.
Big twelve your morning host on the Big twelve. We're
gonna let him plug that here every Saturday morning. So
we're gonna we're gonna do a little popourri around the
state of Florida. We're gonna hit the college teams, We're
gonna hit the NFL teams. Lots to talk about here
in the state of Florida, mister Reeves, Welcome.
Speaker 4: In, sir, Hey listen. It's always great to be with you,
and we have no shortage of subject matter, that's for sure.
Thank you for all the plugs. Again, I probably have
too many hats, figuratively and literally. If you're watching this
on the YouTube page, you see hats over my shoulder.
Speaker 1: Tell people about the Big twelve s on Saturday.
Speaker 3: Right, So on Saturdays it's ramping up.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I do a three hour pregame show for Big twelve
Radio on tune In, And obviously for this audience, it
has to do with the UCF Knights. But why have
they not been playing that kid at quarterback after last
week and what they did to Arizona. I know he's
a former walk on. But good lord. So anyway, we
talked Big twelve, and just like we thought, the Big
twelve has been all about Brigham Young and Iowa State
to this point in the season, not Utah who was
preseason top ten, not Oklandahoma State, not Kansas State. So
we have a lot of fun talking Big twelve while
we bring it back to Florida. Rocko Becked obviously, who
you've talked about a lot, the son of Anthony Beck,
the former first round pick of the Jets four buccaneer
tight end. I had a long distinguished career in the NFL,
now broadcaster in the NFL. I've known the Becks for
twenty plus years. I've known Rocos since before he was
even in grade school. And Iowa State had such a
magical season going and they somehow let Texas Tech come
in and beat them last week. I still can't figure out.
You didn't ask me this, and we'll move on quickly.
Speaker 3: How did he get out of the state of Florida.
Speaker 4: With all the programs that we have here, from USF
to UCF even.
Speaker 3: Yes, how did he get.
Speaker 4: Out of the state of Florida. I heard some of
the rationale was they were concerned that he wasn't big
enough coming out of Wiregrass Ranch High School in the
suburbs of North Tampa. Does he look big enough right
now at the Big Twelve, as he's one of the
better quarterbacks right now in the Big Twelve leading them
to a seven to zero start.
Speaker 3: Please, so thank you for the Big Twelve plug. That
show is on tune in free to hear the tune.
Speaker 4: In mobile app, the Big twelve Radio channel every Saturday
morning nine am to noon Eastern eight to eleven AM Central.
I preview all the games, guests, analysts, coaches, former coaches, players,
former players. We have all kinds of content previewing all
the action talking Big twelve.
Speaker 3: Thank you for the plug and the.
Speaker 1: Last plug I gotta give him if you're watching this
on the YouTube channel. He hooked me up with the
old school creamccle hat from a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: Home game Cream the Buccaneers, the.
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons and the Bucks. I asked him, I said, hey, man,
I can't go to the game. Can you hook me
up with a hat? And he delivered. So appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I always take care of my people, but I'm now
like conflicted. Do we need to put the creamsicle stuff
anymore on for the Buccaneers when they can't ever win
the creamsicle game.
Speaker 3: I mean and stuff.
Speaker 4: The stuff looks good, but it just has too much
bad karma from the eighties and the early to mid
nineties of too much losing apparently.
Speaker 3: Uh, but that's okay. I had to I had to deliver.
Speaker 4: I had to come strong from my guy Jason Powers
and Florida football insiders.
Speaker 3: So a little Bucko Bruce hat.
Speaker 4: For you on the YouTube if you're if you're only
hearing us, come see the hat on the YouTube page.
Speaker 1: There you go, and I'm gonna on the fly change
the logo from the from the Powers on Sports podcast
to the Floridas.
Speaker 4: Look at you, You're just you're just versatile. Yes, you're agile,
mobile and versatile. Continue on, my friend.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the cocktail party again. Let's
we're just gonna go through the State of Florida games
last week, recap, a couple of things, a couple of
interesting notes and nuggets we're gonna get to, and then
we're gonna hit the NFL teams, uh, Bucks, Jaggs, Dolphins.
So Florida Georgia again. What you know, everybody thought a
month ago Billy Napier was dead man walking. And get
to Billy Napier's credit, this team has played really hard
the last month. They from the bye week, they you
know Lagway his you know, obviously Merch got hurt. Lagway's
played pretty well. He got hurt in the Georgia game.
Probably gonna be out the rest of the regular season,
I would guess.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: We can interject on that here in a second, but
continue on with your build up.
Speaker 1: Go yep and uh they if Lagway plays in that game,
the entire game on Saturday in Jacksonville, they might have
a great opportunity to win the game. They just ran
out of ammunition. Third string guy comes in. You know,
the defense wore down a little bit. Georgia did not
play well back to continues to throw interceptions. But give
that Florida team credit. They continue hard for Napier there
to start the gauntlet. Now Georgia loot loss at Texas
lsu Ole miss than Florida State to finish it up.
Just give me a thought about Billy Napier. Is it
dead man walking? Is here still hope? Just give me
a thow what you think.
Speaker 4: Well, we talked a couple of times, a couple of
weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago, that this is coming
with Tennessee and Georgia, like you listed, Ole Miss, Texas,
my God, Lsu and then the rivalry game with Florida
State and who knew that Florida State turns out to
be horrific and that may be the most winnable game
even though it's on the road. You're right, they're still
playing hard for him. But at the end of the day,
if you're losing all of these games, that's still the ammunition.
Speaker 3: To get rid of him.
Speaker 4: I think I think he needs at least a couple
of more wins to have a chance. How do they
get those couple of more wins out of Texas, Ole Miss,
who's got firepower?
Speaker 3: Galore, Lsu, who's good?
Speaker 4: I don't know where those wins are before Florida State
if there is a win. So to answer that part
of the question, I don't think playing what.
Speaker 3: Do you think?
Speaker 4: I don't think playing hard for him is good enough
to save him. If this ends up being like four
and eight in year number three.
Speaker 1: It's tricky. You're right, it's totally tricky. They're probably gonna
beat Florida State, so that gives him win number five.
They need to win one out of the next three,
assuming you give him the Florida State game to get
Bowl eligible. I would say probably the LSU game is
the game they could win. I don't know if I
can't remember if that game's at home or in Baton Rouge.
If it's at home, it's winnable. I know the Old
Miss game is at home, So I think LSU's the game.
I think of those three that's most winnable, especially if
LSU were to lose to Alabama this week and out
pretty much out of the CFP. That's the other part
of If LSU and Ole Miss are still in it,
that's gonna make it even more. But you're right, it's
a tough call here. Do you give Napier another year
for playing hard? They seem like they you know, Lagways
seems like he's a pretty good player.
Speaker 4: Again, So the update the update on that. And you know,
I saw this at the time and I thought it
was strange. I'm not an orthopedist. I'm just pointing this
out on Florida Football insiders. He was grabbing his hamstring,
all right, and then they brought the cart out and
usually that's reserved for horrific injury. Uh so they they
come over, all the teammates are coming over like his
season is over. And Billy Napier said on his Monday
press conference, he's gonna try to practice. We don't believe
it's that serious. And I'm going, you don't believe it's
that serious.
Speaker 3: The kid.
Speaker 4: The kid laid on the ground and you brought the
cart for him for a hamstring, right, And now the
word is he's not ruled out for the Texas game.
Maybe that's some gamesmanship, but I don't think Lagway's out
for the year because why does why does Billy Napier
have to say that, or why are they trying to
practice him right now this week when it appears to
be a lost season anyway, So that was a bit strange.
They've got to walk on quarterback. You were kind, Carson
Beck was awful. They were trying Georgia to give that
a game away, and for them, that would thick to
give that game away to Florida. In terms of the
college football playoff et cetera, et cetera, rivalry games, Jason
and that was a rivalry game on Saturday, Florida hung In.
I just again back to the theme, I don't know
what's good enough to play tough, hang in, lose close.
If they keep losing these games, that's probably the end
for Napier.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, and I would say the other part of
this equation is who can they get to say yes
to the job. That's the other part of this too.
That might dictate if.
Speaker 4: You've been big on Lane Kiffin Lane as maybe the guy.
But I mean they won't. They won't have a shortage
of people that are interested.
Speaker 1: I like Matt Campbell and Iowa State potentially.
Speaker 4: Sure, you know, by the way, the LSU game is
the following week, now next week, and it is a
home game. To answer your questions, they get LSU and
Ole Miss at home before ending.
Speaker 3: At Florida State for the Florida Games.
Speaker 1: So I mean, so again, tricky, Here's what I'll say. Napier,
who will have no chance to be gets blown out
a couple times. But if you were playing competitive, maybe
win one of those st three.
Speaker 4: Maybe you know there is maybe they played they played
tough at Tennessee. They played better when they won two
or three games after the awful start. But again, I
know enough big time donating Gators. You know some too,
And these people were over him back in September, over
as in, get rid of him. So I don't know
how much of those minds have been changed. We shall
see on the Gators. What else, what else?
Speaker 1: Let's go to Miami Saturday. I'm watching the games in
a sports bar. Five minutes into the third quarter. Duke's
up eleven in the in the.
Speaker 4: College, and you're texting me and you're going, You're going,
Miami's in real trouble, down eleven in the third quarter.
Speaker 3: I didn't disagree with you. I cut it on.
Speaker 1: An hour later, they were covering the twenty two points ahead.
Speaker 3: What did they what did they outscore them?
Speaker 4: Thirty to three, thirty six to three run to.
Speaker 1: End the game about twenty four minutes.
Speaker 4: And cam Ward didn't even play great. He had a
couple of interceptions. He didn't play great. They're just so explosive,
and Duke threw a couple of bad interceptions which helped them.
And now we're all the way to mid November and
Miami is undefeated.
Speaker 3: Let's not well.
Speaker 4: Now, let's let's not pretend Miami has been right here
about seven or eight years ago with Mark ript getting
getting all the way to like November to the eight
to nine to oh Mark and didn't get in the
fourteen College Football Playoff. But right now, escape the fail
Mary game Fail Mary part two against Virginia Tech, where
once again the Virginia Tech guy on the Hail Mary
caught the ball and is on the ground and they
ruled touchdown and then they overruled the ball being taken
from him on the ground or else. Miami loses. It's
the last play of the game. They come back from
twenty five down at Cal to win that game, so.
Speaker 3: They've lived a little dangerously.
Speaker 4: But here are the Canes right now in the prime
position to be in the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1: And they get another bright Clemson loses their second conference game,
so you're probably not gonna see Clemson in the title game.
You're probably gonna see an SMU, maybe a bit somebody
like that, probably an SMU, which again favors Miami. Is
this deep again? Two tricky road games left at Tech
this week and at Syracuse in a couple of weeks.
Is this defense? We know the offense is good enough,
We know cam Ward's Heisman Trophy top two or three guaranteed.
Is this defense national championship good enough in your opinion?
Speaker 4: I mean, you watched that col game, for example, they
were all over them, and again Duke for the first
two and a half quarters was taking it to them
as well. And I was looking, what is the other
remaining game you mentioned the road games. The other remaining
game is Wake Forest, who they're gonna probably easily beat.
And this is an early start with Georgia Tech Saturday. Obviously,
they began the year by beating Florida State, but have
not done very much since then. They're five well, I mean,
we can't sell them completely short. They're five and four.
They've lost the last two, losing to Virginia Tech and
Notre Dame. Georgia Tech has I don't know. I mean
it looks good. Remember that Mark Rick team slipped losing
the Black Friday game to Pitt. Speaking of Pitt, that's
where they slipped and lost. They had beaten Notre Dame,
who was in the top ten at hard Rock Stadium.
Speaker 3: They were then ranked in the top four.
Speaker 4: The College Football Playoff, and then Pitt beat them right
at the end of the regular season on Black Friday,
and I want to say that that led to them
getting beaten badly by Clemson in the ACC title game,
and then they lost the bowl game and that put
them on the radar to maybe fire Mark Ricked. So
that season ended badly. Miami doesn't want to replay of that.
Speaker 1: Have the opportunity to, in theory, to lose one before
the end and still win the ACC title. So you
got a little leeway. But again, they came out number
four in the initial CFP rankings last on Tuesday night.
So again, remember eight, the winner of the a SEC
is guaranteed the top four seed. You're probably gonna be
the four seed, probably maybe the three, but probably the
you know, three or four seed at best. So in theory,
Miami could in theory slip up and still win the conference.
But again, to me, this is gonna be a team
where they're gonna have to win these games in the
playoffs late in the year. Here high scoring. It's gonna
be thirty eight to thirty. You're gonna have to outscore
teams as opposed to keeping them to twenty four.
Speaker 4: You know, let's see, let's see if that can continue
for them, and we do know this. It's gonna jumble
five more times over the next four or five weeks,
including the championship games. On December seventh, it'll jumble it again.
But where somebody that's got two losses suddenly wins a
championship game and gets the automatic bid.
Speaker 3: So stay tuned.
Speaker 4: Where if they lose the title game with two losses,
they're not even in the playoff and you win the
title game.
Speaker 3: I'm calling it now.
Speaker 4: Somebody with two losses is going to win one of
these championship games and get the bye, and then everybody's
going to start screaming about that.
Speaker 3: But stay tuned, stay tuned.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. All right, let's go to little,
a little in state rivalry, a little under the radar
national war, you know, Blat bad Blood, Hatfield and the Pois.
Last Friday night, you and I after my high school game,
meet up and have a little milkshake and a little
some French fries. Fa u us. If you say, what
what is that rivalry? What? What? In state rivalry? It is,
but a little more spicy the last couple of years,
Tom Herman, Alex Golish, they played last year in Tampa, TJ.
Give the audience.
Speaker 4: The story here, all right, So you were you were
there at this game, and I found it very strange
because I didn't see it when it happened, but I
read it in the recamp and then went back and
looked that Florida Atlantic is blasting USF last year, and
Alex Golish's team was having an up and down season
on this was kind of a stretch where they lost
a couple of games.
Speaker 1: They're beating them by fau.
Speaker 4: Okay, faus up thirty in the second half, and Tom Herman,
the former Texas coach, the former Ohio State National championship
offensive coordinator for Urban Meyer, in a genius move, decides
to go ahead and kick an onside kick in the
ultimate let's kick you in the ribs while you're down
moment to score another touchdown, which they did. And there
was bad blood after that game because Alex Golish was
not happy with that and Herman was making comments to
the effect of, well, this is just part of the rivalry,
and this is to stoke the rivalry and.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: Well, now we fast forward, you know, basically twelve months later,
you and I are watching the game together for a
few minutes and USF scores to go up by twenty
and Alex Golish lines up to go for two. And
I'm telling you this is totally expected because of what
Herman did last year. Alex Golish is going to try
to hang fifty points on Florida Atlantic if he can.
Speaker 1: So they.
Speaker 4: Yes, the announcers A Niche Shiroff and andre Ware of ESPN,
they're even aware of it, and they're.
Speaker 3: Saying, this is part of a year ago.
Speaker 4: And andre Ware quoted the famous line when Woody Hayes
was trying to run it up one year on Michigan
and went for two when they had the game one,
and he said, They asked, why did you go for
two there when you were up already decisively and he said,
because I couldn't go for three because he hates Michigan
that much. This was the same thing, and andre Ware
quoted that line as USF was going for two.
Speaker 3: All right, And here's my thing.
Speaker 4: So we've seen, probably if you're listening to us, some
video of the handshake that didn't really happen. Golish kind
of slapped ing five and walked by him. And then
Herman's trying to say something to him, and Herman's trying
to get back at him, and then there's a female
staff member.
Speaker 3: I don't know who that was. I don't know if
that's Herman's wife or who it was.
Speaker 4: Maybe he was a female, right, it was a female
and an FAU polo was standing between him trying to
go back at Alex Golish. But here's the childish, most
stupid thing is Alex Golish didn't really talk about it
after the game. There was one person at the end
of the press conference that asked him about it, and
he basically said, after the game, Hey, I don't care
about that. We won the game and I'm not worried
about the postgame handshake.
Speaker 3: He didn't really elaborate, so when they.
Speaker 4: Asked Tom Herman, the FAU coach, about it, he almost
juvenile is saying.
Speaker 3: I don't really know what that was about. I really
don't understand that.
Speaker 4: Come on, Herman, come on, you're not fooling anybody. Everybody
knows that what you did a year ago was classless
to rub it in and now what goes around comes around.
Don't play dumb, don't play the victim. Don't act like
you don't know what's going on. What he should have
said is we did it to them a year ago.
They did it to us tonight. I was unhappy.
Speaker 3: About it, but it should be over. But apparently it's
not over if you're Tom Herman.
Speaker 4: Because he's in denial that that they did anything wrong.
I guess he now feels like he's wrong. There's your
full explanation. Hopefully that wasn't too long winded. Stay tuned
for USF and Florida Atlantic the maybe next year the
the third installment.
Speaker 1: FAU play at East Carolina Thursday night, So if you're
listening to this maybe Friday, that game will have happened
Thursday night. USF got an interesting game at home Saturday
against Navy. Yes in the mix here for potentially a
conference title, maybe a group you know, maybe the twelve
seed in the group of five opportunities. So this Navy
team comes into rolling. This is an interesting game. Early
game at Raymond James. We don't know the status of
Byron Brown. Will he be back or is it still
going to be Bryce Archie. So a big opportunity here
for for USF to you know, pull it up, set
here and get back in the national headlines. A little
because they've had an up and down year, haven't played
as well as people thought they were gonna play.
Speaker 4: So and again, the Navy quarterback who's tremendous as the
triple option quarterback, Blake Horvath, he was injured.
Speaker 3: Last week.
Speaker 4: They got whacked by Notre Dame that stopped their unbeaten season,
and then Horvath injured and did not play and they
lost the game to Rice. So this is back to
back losses. Correct, This is back to back losses after
being six to zero, and that was the game that
was delayed almost three hours by the thunderstorm in the
second half. So if your Navy, you cannot afford another loss,
if you're going to be in the American Championship Game,
USF has a chance to screw that up for them
at Raymond James Stadium noon Eastern time on Saturday.
Speaker 3: Army is still undefeated.
Speaker 4: Army can basically all but lock up an American Conference
Championship game birth because they only have two games left.
They play at North Texas though on Saturday, so we'll
keep an eye on those scores. And you know what's
looming is if Army and Navy finish one to two,
one of them hosts the title game for a chance
at the College Football Playoff, and the next week they're
playing on a neutral field in the actual Army Navy game,
which isn't a part of the American Conference schedule and
is a separate game the second week in December.
Speaker 3: That would be bizarre if the first.
Speaker 4: Game means everything for the College Football Playoff and the
second game is the traditional game that's essentially an exhibition game, Jason,
that is still in play for Army and Navy late
in the year.
Speaker 1: Crazy. All right, FIU, we're not gonna they're the kings
of the midweek game. They don't have a game this week.
They're playing at Jacksonville State. Rich Rodd's doing a good
job at jack State. So FYU will be at jack
State on the sixteenth, Saturday, sixteenth, last college game. Again,
Let's get to UCF real quick. Be Arizona bad. You
mentioned the quarterback play they benched kJ Jefferson a couple
of weeks ago. This guy comes in, It's played really well. RJ.
Harvey's played well. Arizona team not very good. Surprised that
the margin was what it was, But UCF four and five,
two and four in the conference. A little disappointing this
year out of UCF and Gun.
Speaker 4: Interesting that Malzon fired the defensive coordinator Ted Roof.
Speaker 3: So we were talking.
Speaker 1: About it too, a guy he worked with at Auburn.
Speaker 4: Yes, and so he's got a new defensive quarter and
Malzon gave up the play calling for this week. Hello,
and they turn around and score what fifty points? Fifty
six points on Arizona And I'm trying to give the
kid his props that came in. That's the former walk
on the quarterback. It's rizzed, right, is the Dylan riz
Is how you say it? The former quarterback that is
a walk on for them. It's it's crazy. He's the
third quarterback and he came in and lit it up
with four touchdowns a week ago. And so now you
seef got some footing back. And that's a very good
Arizona State team that they are playing at the Desert
seven Eastern time coming up on Saturday night.
Speaker 3: That'll be fascinating, all right.
Speaker 1: Last one, we'll get to the debacle up in Tallahassee
lose again to North Carolina one in eight. As they
head name name needs the game, so they're not gonna
have any mercy on Florida State again prime time on NBC.
They're preempting the Big ten game to Peacock for Florida
State against one in eight Florida State in South Bend.
Gonna be cold, probably up in South Bend. Is this
just a full packet in for Florida State and get
to the offseason? Just give me a thought about what?
What the what a debacle that's been up in Tallahassee.
Speaker 4: I don't know how long we can go on. How
did this disintegrate so quickly? Did Jordan Travis mean that much?
It's not just him, I mean, this is a This
is a great example of be careful what you wish
for in the transfer portal and bringing in thirty or
forty new guys. We found that out with Dion Sanders
a year ago. This largely doesn't work and Florida State
is beyond just bad. They're horrible right now on both
sides of the ball. How could it unravel this quickly?
I think I think there are a few answers right now.
And this game meant I was just looking for this.
This game meant so much the nineteen ninety three famous
game You and I are getting old and nostalgic. Was
Florida State at Notre Dame and I believe they were
one and two? Were they not number one against number two?
Notre Dame was number one? Florida State was number two?
And I'm trying to see what that game what that
game was rated the game of the century as they
called it. I want to say it was like twenty
five million people that watched that game on NBC. They'll
be lucky if they get a couple of million people
to watch this bad version of FSU who Notre Dame
should smoke them and they're then one and nine Florida State.
That would be incredible, incredible if that is what happens,
because Notre Dame is good.
Speaker 1: Yea, we can't afford it as a loss. They gotta
win the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with Riley Leonard and and offensively they can run
the ball. And the game is at home and Florida
State could not stop the run against North Carolina last week.
This could be ugly in South Bend.
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Speaker 4: Well done on all of that, And I'm just looking
here the previous Florida State Notre Dame game that I mentioned,
that Game of the Century nineteen ninety three where Florida
State eventually won the national championship.
Speaker 3: They lost to Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Or left Florida State. I had a national championship ring.
Speaker 4: By the way, you were there, you were there at
that time period. They lost to Notre Dame. Notre Dame
lost the following week to Boston College.
Speaker 1: And Florida the famous field goal right and.
Speaker 4: Tom Coughlin, the BC coach, beat them in South Bend.
Then Florida State ends up in the Orange Bowl against Nebraska,
wins the Orange Bowl, wins the national title. That was
a thirty nine share of audience that day. Thirty nine
share is massive. That's forty percent of the TVs that
were on pre internet days, pre Netflix YouTube. You know,
you had cable, you had the satellite dish, but that
that's a massive share. That's probably a representative of about
a thirty five million thirty thirty five million people that
watched that college football game that afternoon.
Speaker 3: It just tells you how fragment of TV has become
well done. What else? What else? Before we're done, my friend.
Speaker 1: We're going to hit some couple NFL notes here when
we can get you out of here. You were there
Monday night in Kansas City, the dramatic finish in Tampa,
I mean the rainy night. Nobody in America thought the
Bucks were going to be in the game. The Bucks
are down seven. Mayfield takes them on a wall drive
to score in the last thirty seconds, and then the
decision does the do the Bucks go for two to win?
Do you kick the extra point? Todd Bowles decided to
kick the extra point, the fateful point toss in overtime.
You saw the famous picture of Baker Mayfield's expression when
he did not pick the right point. I think he
picked tails and it was heads. You saw the reaction. Correct,
Mahomes takes him down the field wins the game. The
Bucks lose a heartbreaker Monday night in Kansas City. The
Chiefs remain undefeated. Just again, General thought about the principle
of going for the win versus kicking the extra point.
There's debates on both sides, logical arguments on both sides.
I'll give you my take and then you can give me.
I know you had some intel from what the manning
passed and some of those guys were talking about. My
take is, as a fan, you have the Kansas City
on the ropes. Nobody in America thinks you're gonna win
the game. The defense has been on the field for
seventy three plays. You've got the momentum. We know Patrick
Mahomes is over were time in late game heroics a billion.
The Buccaneer defense has not been great, especially on third down.
I would have gone for two. Nobody in that in
America would have faulted in if he goes for two,
doesn't make it and they lose. I think, even more
importantly for me as a player on that team, the
confidence that Bowls would have shown in the team, Hey
we're going to win the game here Like like our
buddy Herm said, play to win the game.
Speaker 4: You know you play to win the game. I totally listen.
I can't disagree with anything you just said. It's a
second guesser's delight yep from the very jump and again
in the circumstance, I'm down there on the feet lightly
raining all around us. And what's funny, some of the
people were all bundled up. All the ESPN people were
around us to have their sets set up. Ryan Clark
is standing around me with an umbrella. They got ponchos on.
I'm like, people, we've been through two hurricanes. Unfortunately in
September and October. You think this is this ain't rain
where it's like lightly sprinkling rain in Kansas City, for example,
Hurricane Milton. I got thirteen inches of rain that night
and overnight.
Speaker 3: That's rain, all right, So the field is wet.
Speaker 4: You got a lot of different concerns with the ball
being wet, et cetera. The Bucks pull off that great drive.
I understand the debate. Troy Aikman was saying on the fly,
they should go for two. I'm telling you, I'm having
the debate off the air with my buccaneer radio boss
Jeff Ryan. You got to contemplate going for two here
and the win now a couple of variables.
Speaker 3: We know this.
Speaker 4: You didn't articulate it here, but you've been talking about it,
you know. O Their interviews in other places, they called
time out with thirty seconds left, they complete the ball
down to the one yard line, they called time out.
They didn't come up and clock it to save the
one timeout that was left. I understand the argument, you
probably should have let a few more seconds run off
the clock before you clocked it or before you called
the timeout, just to leave the Chiefs no time and
then really build the pressure of do you go for
the win right now? Because they don't have any hope
of kicking a field goal. When the Buccaneers scored, they
left twenty seven seconds on the clock to decide do
we go for the two or do we play for
the overtime, in which case Mahomes and company now have
a debate about do they go for the win and
maybe do something stupid? And I'll bring that to the
maning cast in a moment, but do you feel me
on It's not as black and white in that moment
when you've just driven down the field and you're contemplating here,
maybe they're going to do something stupid and we're going
to have a chance to get to win the game
in regulation, maybe we win the toss in overtime.
Speaker 3: I get that Mahomes's record.
Speaker 4: Coming in with seven and two coming into that overtime
in the playoffs and in the regular season in overtime
seven and two. So I get that that's you're not
playing the percentage on that, but just an interesting second
guesser's delight there on. Oh, I know what else I
wanted to say here in this instance before we get
to the mannings and what they were saying, and that
is that I think this factors in that they have
previously had problems running right up to the line and
running a play at the one yard line.
Speaker 3: Example last year.
Speaker 4: I know it's last year, but it's the same offensive
players in the game with Indianapolis. The first drive of
the game, Jason, the Bucks went right down the field,
got to the one yard line on a play, and
their mentality was over and over again, line up real
quick and do a quick readoption handoff and score real quick.
And that had worked a previous time, but in this
instance they got a false start. The crowd was making
noise and they got a false start. It backed them
up to the six. They never got another crack at
the end zone after that and didn't score. I'm not
saying it's everything I'm giving you an explanation as to
why would you call the time out there? And there's
there's why they called the timeout, and that left more time.
It put it all into motion. So one more factor.
I've now watched the Manning cast with Peyton and Eli.
They were talking with Maria Taylor of NBC used to
be on ESPN. They never questioned, They never brought up
Gopher two. Peyton kept criticizing the Chiefs on why are
you playing soft coverage? Why are you not covering the
guy in the end zone? Why are you falling for
the play action? They can't run the ball, They don't
have a time out left, all right, so the Bucks score.
Speaker 3: They never questioned the two point play.
Speaker 4: Interesting that Peyton Manning kept saying, Jason Powers, this is
dangerous for Indianapolis. They could throw an interception here, wet field,
wet ball, I would play for overtime. And what did
Patrick Mahomes almost do twice? He almost threw the pick
with like twenty seconds left, should a Kuda Wood it's deflected.
The Bucks are maybe going to have a player too
to maybe get in field goal range. So I just
thought that was interesting from the Mannings and Peyton even
said Peyton even said, I think kicking off for the
Buccaneers favors them because I think there could be a
mistake from Mahomes here on the wet field with the
wet ball. He wasn't right. So it's all I'm bringing
up is it's interesting the different viewpoints.
Speaker 3: At the end of the game. Go ahead, I said
a lot there.
Speaker 1: That's the same Peyton Manning who told who told Tony
Dungey to take get the punt team off the field
numerous times in his career on fourth.
Speaker 3: Down, So that's right.
Speaker 1: So but.
Speaker 4: He was relaying just one more time. He was relaying
here that if I was in this situation that I
wouldn't be as inclined to try to throw passes here
on the wet field. I would play for overtime. And
they almost threw a pick. And if they throw a
pick there, oh my god, and you have a chance
to win the game with a field goal. Nobody's talking
about the two point play second guesser's delight. And I
understand in the argument from those that say, nobody would
have criticized you if you went for two and didn't
get it.
Speaker 1: The other part of this, you only have six days
to get to get healthy and rested for the Niners
coming to town. Another ten plays on the defense in
overtime up to eighty three. So you wonder, is it
now a two week effect of the tear of the
wear and tear of playing in the heavy You were
there heavy conditions Kansas City. Give quick thought, give me
the atmosphere in Kansas City was an electric for you.
Speaker 3: It was electric. It's loud.
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift shows up after the kickoff, by the way,
that's how they sneak her in and sneaker into the box.
Speaker 3: I was aware that that was going on.
Speaker 1: I want you to get the picture. I didn't see that.
Speaker 4: I could not get to selfie and could not get
the selfie with her. Again, that is some kind of place.
They've won two Super Bowl titles. So yeah, it was
a great atmosphere. There's no doubt in Kansas City. And
you see why they went all the time with Mahomes.
Speaker 1: All right, Dolphins losing overtime, Jags almost come back from
the dead to beat Philadelphia. We'll talk a bit more
about those teams. They're not doing well. Didn't make any
moves to the deadline. I was surprised the Buck didn't
make a move with the deadline, but we will. We
will cut it off there, I know we run. We're
get a little short on time here, quick plug TJ.
Speaker 3: Reeves, go listen.
Speaker 4: Buccaneers Radio, Bucks and forty nine Ers coming this Sunday.
We're on the Bucket Radio Network. Hello, Tom Brady doing
the game on Fox. Forty nine Ers off the bye week,
that'll be interesting.
Speaker 3: And again the Big Back.
Speaker 4: Yes, it looks like McCaffrey is going to be back.
What a surprise. Off the injury, Off the bye week
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