1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: From the historic Memart Parks in Los Angeles, California. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: I'm Tavis Smiley and I'm so glad to see you 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:17,960 and me Ah back in stride again. Before we get 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,719 started with today's show, I mean not you to follow 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,320 me on Facebook and Instagram at the Real Tavis Smiley 6 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:26,640 and get updates on x that's formerly Twitter at Tavis Smiley. 7 00:00:26,719 --> 00:00:29,480 By the way, should you miss any product today's program 8 00:00:29,559 --> 00:00:31,879 or want to catch up on previous shows, you can 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,880 always visit the Tavismileyshow dot com. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: That's the Tavismightyshow dot com or. 11 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: Wherever you get your podcast and listen to the Tavismodley 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,640 podcast version of this live program at your leisure. 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: Another great show on tap for you today. 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: It's Thursday, so we'll check in with doctor Cornell West 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:49,759 on the top side. 16 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,359 Speaker 1: Of our two as per usual. 17 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:53,679 Speaker 2: On the b side of our too, a new study 18 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:57,880 from cal Berkeley which finds that DEI policies resulted in 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,600 no financial penalties for companies that did not abandon their 20 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,319 commitment to diversity, equity and inclusion. So for all that talk, 21 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:10,560 ain't nobody been harmed by not abandoning This corrective program 22 00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:13,000 called de e I, and we'll talk to UC Brooklyn 23 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,680 Professor Jacob Grumbach uh uh on the backside. Uh and 24 00:01:17,799 --> 00:01:19,599 I should say in in our two there you go 25 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:22,799 get it right, Doctor West top side, it's it's been 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,799 a long week. Dr West on the top side of 27 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:28,319 our two. Professor Jacob Grumback on the b side of 28 00:01:28,359 --> 00:01:28,680 our two. 29 00:01:28,760 --> 00:02:06,799 Speaker 3: And then in our third hour, I'm just crazy, vow you. 30 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:10,439 Speaker 4: You make me feel so good. I am about to 31 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:14,599 rouse my word, trying to find. 32 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: Any way I can see here next to. 33 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:37,759 Speaker 4: You word I found rely fund follow to satisfied Cray. 34 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: Say that you be Mody. 35 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: Common Lundy was named the twenty twenty six National Endowment 36 00:02:48,319 --> 00:02:48,520 for the. 37 00:02:48,599 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: Arts jazz Master. 38 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,319 Speaker 2: This year, we will celebrate Common Lundy when she comes 39 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,000 live in studio and our third and final Holaday to 40 00:02:56,039 --> 00:02:59,319 talk about this high honor and her new album, It's 41 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,080 called Notes from the Wine Cellar. Carmen Lundy twenty twenty 42 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,800 six Jazz Master comes live in studio today in our 43 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:07,240 third hour. 44 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,439 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that. But in this first hour. 45 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:11,719 Speaker 2: When we come forward, we'll talk politics and more with 46 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:13,840 Ztail Media cognist Justin berg On. 47 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: We'll start with if you're not for me with the tail, 48 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,719 We'll let Justin first tell you about ztail. You can 49 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:19,159 look it up. 50 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: It's a great online site for news and information. So 51 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,960 we'll talk about zatel to begin with. And there's so 52 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,719 many issues to get to. Uh, this was yet another 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,199 history making primary week, So when we come forward, we'll 54 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,000 start by talking about how these progressive wins, to Justin's 55 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,560 mind at least, are shaping the primaries this year. You're 56 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:41,439 listening to Tavis smileing. Just burg On is the Tel's 57 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,439 media comminists. Please to have him on the start our 58 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:45,080 program today, Justin, how. 59 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: Are you, sir? 60 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:47,879 Speaker 5: I'm doing fine? How you doing? 61 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,879 Speaker 2: If I complain, i'd being in great. I am doing 62 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,400 well and pleased to have you on the program. Tell 63 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,240 me about ztel for those not for me with the 64 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,520 with the platform, let's let's start there and we'll we'll 65 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:57,039 push forward. 66 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say the TEO is what you would 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:06,599 call an unapologetically progressive news site, but still based in fact, 68 00:04:07,919 --> 00:04:13,319 it was started by Mehdi Hassan, as your audience may 69 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,800 know him from his show on MSNBC and Al Jazeera, 70 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,600 and it's been growing quite a bit over the past 71 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,199 year and a half and we've broken quite a bit 72 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,839 of news, made quite a bit of news, and I 73 00:04:29,879 --> 00:04:31,040 believe we'll keep doing that. 74 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:31,639 Speaker 1: Yep. 75 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: What's it mean for a Zeteo. I know what it 76 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:36,839 means for our station here in La. What's it mean 77 00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:40,279 for Zetello in a moment like this to be unapologetically 78 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,160 progressive unpacked? 79 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 5: That? 80 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:41,519 Speaker 1: For me? 81 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:43,639 Speaker 5: Well, I think. 82 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 6: At this moment, when when you have a the return 83 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:55,319 of a Trump administration, but a more vindictive Trump administration, 84 00:04:55,519 --> 00:04:59,319 that's that's really trying to put its foot on the neck. 85 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 5: Of the media to begin with that. 86 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 6: You need you need news outlets that are going to 87 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:14,079 provide a different perspective but also aggressively pushed back against that. 88 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,439 And I believe that's what we're doing here. You know, 89 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:24,079 not you know, having any fear of favor when it 90 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,720 comes to calling out what's going on in the day 91 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:33,160 to day part of our politics and society, whether it 92 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:36,439 has anything to do with you know, our wars overseas, 93 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:42,959 what's going on in Israel and Gaza, what's going here domestically, 94 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,759 what's going on with people's pocketbooks. 95 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 5: I think. 96 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 6: You need to have an independent style media that isn't 97 00:05:55,639 --> 00:06:02,120 going to have a corporate over that's going to be, 98 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,480 you know, curring favor with this administration. 99 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,439 Speaker 5: That's the way I look at it at least. 100 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: YEP. So we all saw the news a few days ago. 101 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:14,519 Speaker 2: Just a couple more inside baseball media questions and we'll 102 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:15,480 get to the issues of the day. 103 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: We saw the news. We shall the news few days ago, 104 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,639 ABC suing the FCC. 105 00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:25,519 Speaker 2: And I sort of laughed at that when I saw that, 106 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,680 because here ABC now has grown a pair. 107 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,439 Speaker 1: And they want to sue the FCC. 108 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: But wasn't ABC like one of the networks he started 109 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,199 us down in his rabbit hole in the first place. 110 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, That's what I had remembered too. Back in December 111 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,160 twenty twenty four, right after Trump had won his second term. 112 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 5: You know, of the many media. 113 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 6: Organizations that Trump was taken aim at in suing even 114 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,480 before he got back in the office, was ABC News 115 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:04,959 over the George Stephanopolis interview with Nancy Mason, which Stephanopolis, uh, 116 00:07:05,519 --> 00:07:09,680 you know, multiple times during that interview noted that Trump 117 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,600 had been adjudicated for rape, you know, found liable for that, 118 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:19,920 and that that was more of like a semantics argument, 119 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:23,759 to be honest. Even the judge had pointed that out, 120 00:07:23,959 --> 00:07:26,160 and what he was referring to was the Eging Carol, 121 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,959 you know, the ruling in that, you know, where Trump 122 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,279 was found liable for sexual abuse in battery as well 123 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:41,360 as defaming eging Carrol, and you know, the sexual abuse 124 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,480 and rape, it's more on just you know, it's just 125 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,959 a figure of speech almost for the way that the 126 00:07:50,279 --> 00:07:53,199 judge it pointed. I was like, you know, for all 127 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,160 intents and purposes, sexual abuse is rape, but you know, 128 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:03,120 Stephanopolis has said rape. Immediately after that, Trump decided he 129 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,439 was going to sue ABC News for defamation once he 130 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:10,519 wins office. Disney decides they don't want to have this 131 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,360 hanging over them anymore. It's time to maybe play low 132 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:17,800 ball with the new administration. So they decided to just 133 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,439 settle with him for fifteen million dollars to Trump's presidential 134 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,720 library and a million dollars at Trump's lawyers. 135 00:08:25,279 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 5: So then he gets to. 136 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:29,399 Speaker 6: Win, and then you know, they even issued essentially an 137 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:35,120 apology over what Stephanopolis had said. So I remember at 138 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:40,840 that time writing or speaking to different First Amendment experts, 139 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:49,320 journalism professors, media executives on how you know Disney by 140 00:08:49,399 --> 00:08:52,720 doing this they were opening a door for a greater 141 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,639 chilling effect on freedom of speech and press that this 142 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:01,039 wasn't this was going to really allow Trump to go 143 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:06,200 forward and you know, wage his full fledged war against 144 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:10,759 the media, specifically the media he doesn't like that, you know, 145 00:09:11,639 --> 00:09:14,600 And that's exactly what it happened. I mean, we saw 146 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:22,240 so many different lawsuits harassment of media organizations and you know, 147 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,559 attempts to bring them to heal or you had capitulation 148 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:33,759 by other outlets or media owners, whether it be the 149 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:39,759 Washington Post or the Los Angeles Times, where they decided 150 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:42,559 where they decided that they were going to push their 151 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,360 newspapers into a more conservative friendly direction. And then we 152 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,000 also had you know, we see the situation that happened 153 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:56,440 with Paramount and CBS News and how that they essentially 154 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,879 turned CBS News into like a Fox News Light after 155 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:05,039 David Allison purchased Paramount, but even prior to that, you know, 156 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,000 to make sure that that merger went through between Paramounts Skidands, 157 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:13,159 the old owners made sure to settle a meritless lawsuit 158 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,240 with CBS News. So yes, long way around, ye Disney 159 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,279 did start this. 160 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: What's amazing about it is not just that they caved 161 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,360 and paid Trump almost twenty million dollars over the issue 162 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,120 that you raised earlier about Stephanopolis. 163 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: They paid him all that money. 164 00:10:29,399 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: Then then you fast forward some months, the administration goes in. 165 00:10:34,039 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: Donald Trump goes in on Jimmy Kimmel. What does ABC do? 166 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: They sideline Jimmy Kimmel, and everybody's up in arms about 167 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,759 what happens to Jimmy Kimmel. A few weeks later, a 168 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:45,799 few days later, whatever, Jimmy Kimmel comes back, and now 169 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:48,919 that same ABC is now soon the FCC overholding onto 170 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:49,639 its license. 171 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,759 Speaker 1: So there are number of ways to read this. ABC 172 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,799 a long time to get here. 173 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 2: The other way to read it is that you know 174 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,559 when their license is on the line again, ABC finds 175 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,039 a spine and now they are suing the FCC. I 176 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,240 don't want to study this too long. I guess the 177 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,799 question is if I'll move on whether or not this 178 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:11,000 is literally about ABC trying to save its license, or 179 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:14,639 whether this is an example of a media network after 180 00:11:14,919 --> 00:11:17,480 cow towing and bowing the knee bending the need of 181 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:20,559 Donald Trump has again finally reversed its course. 182 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 5: I mean, I would also say. 183 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 6: This is coming after they've seen the situation with a 184 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,919 number of different law firms that decided not to bend 185 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:40,480 the knee to Donald Trump over certain issues. I think 186 00:11:40,519 --> 00:11:45,000 they were like whether it's DEI or a myriad of 187 00:11:45,039 --> 00:11:48,480 issues of where Trump had said that you know, they 188 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,600 had done great damage and they needed to, you know, 189 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,799 provide his administration with hundreds of millions of dollars of 190 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,080 free work, and the ones that decided, know, what you're 191 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:07,639 doing is essentially unconstitutional, but you don't have the law 192 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:12,759 on your side, and then his executive orders were tossed out. 193 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:18,519 His attempts to push these law firms to you know, 194 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,200 bend the knee, as. 195 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 5: You said, didn't work. 196 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 6: Once you see that happening, you're like, wait a minute, 197 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,080 this administration where he may be a little more toothless 198 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,159 than we thought. 199 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,039 Speaker 5: And maybe we were a little. 200 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,919 Speaker 6: Bit hasty in trying to capitulate and acquiesce to him. 201 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:41,480 And I think that's part of what's going on here. 202 00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:44,879 You know, you obviously, yes, they're going way too far. 203 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:52,080 They're you know, they're taken an authoritarian, almost fascistic push 204 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,639 against these media organizations, specifically against Disney, which they are 205 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:00,399 doing retaliatory. They are doing a retaliatory camp pain, as 206 00:13:00,399 --> 00:13:04,159 they say in their lawsuit, because you know, they want 207 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:07,840 to make the view either go away or. 208 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 5: You know, be more Trump friendly. 209 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,759 Speaker 6: And they want Jimmy Kimmel to no longer be there 210 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:18,559 because he says being things about Trump. So you know, 211 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:21,799 those are things that are going on there. But yeah, 212 00:13:21,919 --> 00:13:24,600 is it about them trying to say their license? Sure? 213 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:26,759 Is it? 214 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 5: You know they're standing up for the First Amendment. 215 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 6: Maybe, but I think a lot of it is now 216 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,679 maybe we didn't need to have any fear against them 217 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,320 because they're also they're seeing what's going on in all these. 218 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,519 Speaker 5: Cases in the courts. 219 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 6: I mean, the thing is the Trump administration is losing 220 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:49,759 tons of cases in the courts. 221 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: I want to just remind this audience. 222 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: I tried to a moment ago at least remind the 223 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,559 audience of the ABC backstory. And I asked, justin a 224 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,799 moment ago, whether or not this is just ABC trying 225 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:03,639 to save their hide or whether not ABC has found 226 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,120 its spine. The reality is that this is not about 227 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:09,360 ABC protecting First Amendment rights. 228 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: That is what this is about. 229 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,399 Speaker 2: This is about ABC, as I said, try to hold 230 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:17,080 on its license. So when you consider the backstory, and 231 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,399 that ABC is the network that started us down this 232 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:20,000 rabbit hole. 233 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: Now they're s in the FCC, and people. 234 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: Are reporting this as if ABC is leading the charge 235 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:26,639 against the administration. 236 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: Stop it, stop it, stop it. 237 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,879 Speaker 2: This is not, I repeat, about protecting our First Amendment rights. 238 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,720 They could have done that a year or two ago. 239 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,440 This is about ABC try and hold on to its 240 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,600 broadcast license. I'm done with it, but I want to 241 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,440 make sure that people understand that particular distinction. As I 242 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,200 pushed toward a conversation about this week's primaries and how 243 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,039 these progressive wins, to Justin's mind, are shaping the primary 244 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:51,279 season and what that means for the midterms and beyond, 245 00:14:51,519 --> 00:14:54,159 since he mentioned Donald Trump and his sexual assault situation. 246 00:14:55,159 --> 00:14:56,720 Not sure if you've heard this news, but there's a 247 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:00,159 new story out about this today. FBI agents execute did 248 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,600 search wants targeting former Democratic Representative Eric Swalwell and have 249 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,159 seized his electronic devices. One of the wants was executed 250 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,039 after Swallwell landed at San Francisco inter National Airport. The 251 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,279 second targeted his residence in d C. And so they 252 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:20,759 are seizing devices, smart devices from Eric Swalwall. 253 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:23,519 Speaker 1: Now why does that matter? Because earlier this week, as 254 00:15:23,559 --> 00:15:24,600 a matter of fact, do you have a winter in 255 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:24,799 that race? 256 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:25,039 Speaker 5: Yet? 257 00:15:25,039 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: I didn't even check if I came on the air yet. 258 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,440 Somebody tell me right quick. 259 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:31,279 Speaker 2: Earlier this week, the race was too close to call 260 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:35,240 in the special election here in California to replace Eric Swalwell. 261 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:38,000 You know the story of Eric Walwell, longtime member of Congress, 262 00:15:38,039 --> 00:15:42,519 Donald Trump nemesis running for governor in California. Sexual allegations 263 00:15:42,559 --> 00:15:44,159 come up, he has to drop out of the race. 264 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,480 He's the front runner at this point. As front run, 265 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:48,440 he has to drop out of the race. And so 266 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,240 now sometimes you think you drop out of a race 267 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:53,279 and your problems go away. 268 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,919 Speaker 1: Not really. He dropped out. 269 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,279 Speaker 2: His career has completely imploded, and the FBI is now 270 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,960 seizing his electronic devices. 271 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: Again. 272 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:02,919 Speaker 2: We expected that because again he was a nemesis of 273 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,519 Donald Trump. So Trump's FBI is going after Eric S. Walwell, 274 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:09,960 and we shall see how this plays out. But it's 275 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,240 just fascinating that they seize his devices in the same 276 00:16:12,279 --> 00:16:15,360 week that there's a special election to replace him in Congress. 277 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,960 And I don't know again whether or not there's a 278 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,879 winner declared in that race. Hit somebody would tell me 279 00:16:20,039 --> 00:16:21,159 I'll get to you as soon as I know it. 280 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,440 But anyway, that was on Tuesday of this week, along 281 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,960 with other primaries that happened across the country. So what 282 00:16:28,159 --> 00:16:31,240 are these progressive wins? These DSA wins just insane to 283 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,240 you about the way our politics are being reshaped, redefined. 284 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:37,919 Speaker 1: If you don't like those words, choose your own. 285 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,399 Speaker 6: I think it's at the very least it's redefining what 286 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:51,840 Democratic voters want now that maybe that they they're rarely 287 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:58,639 embracing many of these progressive values that these candidates are 288 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,159 are pushing. I think that's part of it. But I 289 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,160 think the main thing that's happening here is what they 290 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:14,519 want are fighters, right. They want people that aren't. 291 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:16,839 Speaker 5: For lack of a bear word, like squishes. 292 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 6: People that you know that they don't want the same old, 293 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,000 same old that just that it had lost two elections 294 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:30,880 to Donald Trump, that lost the House, that lost the Senate. Right, 295 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:37,880 they don't want, you know, that, that style of politics anymore. 296 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,880 So they're looking for something more. And this is all 297 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:49,279 happening as you know, we are dealing with a growing 298 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,759 economic problem that that seems to be looming even more 299 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,519 in the distance. 300 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,599 Speaker 5: When it the economic inequality. You see gen z. 301 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:15,559 Speaker 6: Uh having a worse you know, lifestyle than than their predecessors. 302 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,039 So they're wanting change and you look for change ages 303 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,559 and this is why DSA is doing well now. At 304 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:25,240 the same end, I would point out that you know 305 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,880 a lot of DSA candidates aren't winning their primaries, but 306 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:34,799 they're they're putting up you know, heavy challenges. So so 307 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,480 I think, you know this, What do I see here 308 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,200 is again they want fighters. They want people that won't 309 00:18:43,279 --> 00:18:47,319 just you know, try to get along, to play along 310 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:47,759 and all that. 311 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:50,839 Speaker 2: To your point about wanting fighters, just some new data 312 00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:53,279 out here in California. This program is heard across the country, 313 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:56,279 as you know, uh and as I always say, for syndication, 314 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,200 national syndication, I'm grateful. But we're based in LA and 315 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,720 there are a couple of major races in LA. 316 00:19:02,039 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: In California. People are watching, obviously the governor's race. 317 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,079 Speaker 2: It was quite a journey, but Javio Versara and Steve 318 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,079 Hilton are going to go at it in November. And 319 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,440 here in LA there was a big mayor's debate last night, 320 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,599 the first of the season. Everybody watching this mayor's race 321 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,799 to see whether this DSA candidate, city council Woman Nythia 322 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,720 Rahman can unseat the incumbent mayor, Karen Bass, longtime mainstream 323 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,240 establishment Democrat. So we're going to see what happens here 324 00:19:25,279 --> 00:19:28,319 in California. There's a new data out here in the 325 00:19:28,319 --> 00:19:31,599 Golden State which suggest that most voters feel favorably toward 326 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:37,279 progressive candidates with less enthusiasm for mainstream Democrats. That's new 327 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,240 data that most California voters favorably look toward or look 328 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:45,599 at progressive political campaigns and candidates with less enthusiasm for 329 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,920 mainstream Democrats. I believe that mainstream Democrats. I believe that 330 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:55,200 establishment Democrats in this cycle and even beyond are in trouble. Now, 331 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:59,319 if this trend holds, the question is what this means 332 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,799 for the demomocratic primaries come twenty twenty eight. If this 333 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:08,880 trajectory continues. If this trend holds, we'll see what it 334 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,279 means in November. But if Democrats across the country, even 335 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:15,839 beyond California, are looking for fighters, They're looking for folks 336 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:19,319 who are more progressive, They're turned on by the message 337 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,119 of these DSA candidates. What does that mean for the 338 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,160 kind of primary season we're going to have when people 339 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,559 start announcing they're running for president, if you're an establishment Democrat. 340 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: Should you just stay home. 341 00:20:29,799 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: Not even not even foul papers to get in the race, 342 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:35,240 because that seems to be where the party is headed. 343 00:20:35,599 --> 00:20:37,119 We'll talk about that to do more than we come 344 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,200 forward here on Tavis Smile. Indeed, Justin berg go On, 345 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,480 who is the media cognist for the TAO, in our 346 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,799 first hour of pushing toward our two, which will kick 347 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:47,119 off for Doctor Cornell West as it does every Monday 348 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,160 and Thursday. Can't wait to get the doc. But Justin 349 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,880 is our guessing the first start kicking us off, and 350 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,440 I'm glad to have him. I have a colleague here 351 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,319 in La on my station, Justin, who hosts an amazing, 352 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:01,160 brilliant relationship show every night. 353 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: His name is Zoe, and Zoe is a solo host. 354 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,279 Speaker 2: But he's fond of saying because he has a great 355 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:09,599 playlist every night, and he's fond of saying that my 356 00:21:09,759 --> 00:21:13,359 playlist is my co host. That's Zoe Williams. My playlist 357 00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:17,359 is my co host. My version of that is that 358 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,160 my audience is my research team. My audience is my 359 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:23,880 research team. I asked for information and low and behold, 360 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:26,759 within two minutes, fifty five folk around the country are 361 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:29,720 texting me the information or emailing me or posting on 362 00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:32,359 social media the information that I've asked for. So I 363 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,480 asked moments ago, what's happening in the Eric Swalwell race, 364 00:21:35,519 --> 00:21:37,920 and everybody started sitting me information. 365 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,799 Speaker 1: Thank you all. But I do that all the time. 366 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,519 Speaker 2: If I'm on the air and I need something right quick, 367 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:45,839 I just shout it out and everybody gets to me 368 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,680 right away with the data. So this fourteenth Congressional District 369 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,200 here in California, Eric Swalwell's former seat, that race is 370 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,559 still too close to call. We are told that there 371 00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:58,359 are only sixty two percent of the votes that have 372 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:04,079 been counted. And so the race at the moment again 373 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,559 stay Senator Aisha Wahab is backed by the Democratic Party. 374 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,680 She leads the race at the moment fifty one to 375 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:14,640 forty nine percent over Melissa Hernandez, who is supported by 376 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:19,119 a Pax Main super pac. So here you have another 377 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,319 race at the moment. Stay with me, I'm gonna I'm 378 00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:24,359 gonna connect some dots here, or if my preacher says, stay. 379 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: Withhi me, I'm going somewhere with this I'm going somewhere 380 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:27,119 with this. 381 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,799 Speaker 2: I want to connect these two things up in a second. So, 382 00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:33,000 in this race of game to replace Eric Swalwell in 383 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:37,200 Congress fourteen Congression of dis Security in California, his campaign 384 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:41,240 imploded while running for governor, Senator Stay Senator Aisha Wahab 385 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:44,480 is backed again by the Democratic Party. She sits right 386 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:47,200 now in fifty one percent, and Melissa Hernandez, supported by 387 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:51,079 APAX Main super Pac, is trailing at forty nine percent. 388 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,079 We shall see how this all works out. Now, let 389 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:55,599 me connect these dots. As I said a moment ago, 390 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,599 I was reading a story today before coming on the 391 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,039 air in the La Pergrim. Let me just read a 392 00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:03,920 couple of paragraphs if I can of this story, and 393 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,480 then I'll get Justin's. 394 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,759 Speaker 1: View on what I want to share here. 395 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: So the headline in the Li Progressive for this article reads, 396 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:18,319 a PAC money meets changing Electric In twenty twenty six midterms, 397 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:22,279 the Iran war, US support for Israel, and soaring campaign 398 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:28,599 spending are colliding with voters growing anxiety about gasoline, groceries 399 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,680 and the cost of living. 400 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:32,279 Speaker 1: I could go on. I think you take the point 401 00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:32,839 of the article. 402 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: This APAC money, they've been spending money, you know, so fastidiously, 403 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,200 so aggressively in campaigns all across this country. APAC's been 404 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,559 pouring in money, pouring in money in their track record 405 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,480 up until now has been pretty good. But now I 406 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,440 they've hit the skids, and this money is not necessarily 407 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,920 doing the trick, as I just evidence in the story 408 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,519 I share with you about how this race to replace 409 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,599 Eric Swalwell is playing out. But there are other examples 410 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,640 too many to list right now that we've discussed on 411 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,119 this program during this primary season where the APAC money 412 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,039 did not necessarily make the difference. And so this article 413 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,880 is pointing out that this APAC money has finally met 414 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,079 a changing electric and that the Iran war and that 415 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,799 the US is support for Israel soaring campaign spending, as 416 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,920 I said, are colliding with voters growing anxiety about gasoline groceries, 417 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,160 the cost of living, everyday issues, pocketbook issues, kitchen table 418 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,960 issues that matter to them, so that the APAC money 419 00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:38,519 is not having the impact that it once had. 420 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: That's to set up justin take it and run with it. 421 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:45,799 Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with that for the most part. I 422 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:48,720 mean what we saw in Michigan a couple of weeks 423 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:54,680 ago right where Abduel Sayid, I mean Hailey Stevens, his 424 00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:59,400 primary opponent, had a ton of APAC money behind her. 425 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,680 I believe I don't have the status right in front 426 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,079 of me, but that he was outspent something like nine 427 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,680 to one, maybe even more. 428 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: Than I got. I got it right here, I got 429 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:08,640 it right here. 430 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:15,079 Speaker 2: There was sixty million dollars in outside spending in that race. 431 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,680 That's just the outside, the outside spinning number. Sixty million 432 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:22,480 dollars in outside spending money all for Hailey Stevens and 433 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:24,880 abduce else I steel pulled that off. 434 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:25,799 Speaker 1: Please continue. 435 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, And. 436 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 6: It does feel as if almost a candidate being backed 437 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:37,000 by a pack specifically, and a lot of that is 438 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:41,480 going to depend on the electorate itself, but that it 439 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,079 it backfires when you're seeing. 440 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 5: That that that that candidate is backed by a pack. 441 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 6: It's what you have is the fact that Israel, the 442 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,240 war in God, the Israel's involvement with our war and Iran, 443 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,839 all of that, just the state of Israel itself has 444 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:13,799 become extremely unpopular here in the United States, specifically among 445 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:19,000 Democratic voters. So when APAX involved, and and we'll say 446 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,319 will point out that APEX spending almost all the time 447 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,839 with their super PACs are not bringing up Israel as 448 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,079 an actual issue. When they're they're doing the ads for 449 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,519 these for their candidates, it's usually just negative ads on 450 00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:42,880 the other candidate. But it ends up the you know, 451 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,839 the electorates pretty spart and they can see who's who's 452 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,240 paying for this, even if it's not saying specifically. 453 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 5: By APAX it and I'm getting reported. 454 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 6: But when you're seeing all these negative ads, you're like, well, 455 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,119 why are they spending so much against that specific candidate? 456 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,839 And then you see that as a pack and you're like, 457 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,759 there's a reason for all that outside spending, and it 458 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:11,480 it tends the back part, but not always. 459 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 5: Now, I haven't looked. 460 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 6: At, you know, Angie Nixon and Alexander Vidman in terms 461 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,319 of what the spending is there, I mean, in terms 462 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,240 of how APAC played there. My belief there was that 463 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,240 Angie Nixon was just somebody that Florida Democrats, the normal 464 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:41,000 Florida Democrats, understood who she was. Felt like she was 465 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:48,640 an actual Floridian and buddy who had gained fame somehow 466 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,759 somewhere else and was part of what you would just 467 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:55,680 call resistance one point zero and they just rejected Alexander 468 00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:57,839 Vitman in that style of democratic politics. 469 00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 5: Despite the huge spending. 470 00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:02,279 Speaker 1: She was she was on she was on this program. 471 00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 2: Any Nixon was on this program on primary day as 472 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,279 a matter of fact, or maybe the advance of primary day. 473 00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:11,200 I can't recall exactly what day she was on, but 474 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,720 she was on this program a few days ago. 475 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: Uh, and you know, talked about that. 476 00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:19,759 Speaker 2: So she was wildly outspent in that in that particular race, 477 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:21,519 and there was a PAC money in that particular race. 478 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:24,359 I don't have the exact numbers either, uh, but here again, 479 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,400 Angie Nixon is another example in this primary season of 480 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,240 people who beat back that a PAC money and won 481 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:33,079 these races anyway. And so again the money that APAC 482 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,119 has been spending is not having the impact that it 483 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,599 once had. And I take Justin's point. When you see 484 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:41,440 these A pack ads, they never say Israel, It's it's 485 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,519 It's it is negative campaigning aimed at the person they're 486 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,279 trying to defeat for the reasons they want to defeat them, 487 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:50,079 but they never there's no truth in advertising, if I 488 00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:52,759 can use that phrase, there's no truth in advertising when 489 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,480 you see an APAC commercial. So again I think people 490 00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:57,359 have figured it out, and they know what they're seeing 491 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,920 when they see it, whether or not it says brought 492 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,279 to you by a pack, whether it mentions Israel or not. 493 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:04,559 People have started to figure this out. But again they 494 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:07,400 got long money, but the victories are not coming as 495 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,640 easily as they used to. When we come forward to 496 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,039 that question that I posed, a moment agoe that we 497 00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:15,359 ain't really tackled yet, which is how all of this, 498 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,440 how these progressive wins, how these DSA wins are shaping 499 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:22,359 the primary season that we are now in. But even 500 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,880 more so, if this trend I repeat continues, If this 501 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,920 trajectory continues, what is what we are seeing right now 502 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,880 say about the cons of folk who ought to stay 503 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,839 home in twenty twenty eight. If this trend continues and 504 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,079 you are one of those mainstream establishment democrats, shouldn't you 505 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,119 just not even fil papers. We'll talk about that when 506 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:43,240 we come forward on Tavis I's find justin Bergona as 507 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,680 the Tales media columnists. So we've been talking here for 508 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,440 a little bit now about the way this primary season 509 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,960 is shaped up. This was yet another week of primaries 510 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:59,039 in where Alaska and Florida and other places around the country. 511 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:01,759 So these Tuesday primaries are I don't think we're quite 512 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:03,799 done yet, we're getting here. Matter of fact, I need 513 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:05,960 to look at a calendar and see when we will 514 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,519 be through the entire primary cycle, uh. 515 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: In this particular season. 516 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,359 Speaker 2: But it seems that every other Tuesday we're spending the 517 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,119 day talking about races and states all across the country. 518 00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:18,119 And so we are seeing the way this thing is 519 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,960 taking shape. And so the question, justin is how these 520 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,799 progressive wins, how these DSA wins, to your mind, are 521 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,559 shaping our politics moving forward. 522 00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 6: Uh. 523 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 5: Well, I would also say that. 524 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 6: Some of these people, some of the progressives that are winning, 525 00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:40,680 aren't necessarily DSA, but they get like DSA adjacent or 526 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,200 they get associated with it, like Abduell's yet actually is 527 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,200 on DSA exactly. But you know, to to you know, 528 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,799 the Fox News is of the world that it doesn't matter, 529 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:56,559 they're all gonna get painted with that brush. But uh, 530 00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:03,119 and obviously, you know, both mainstream media and conservative press 531 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,240 are are trying to. 532 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,559 Speaker 5: You know, use ds A as like a maejorative here. 533 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,319 I've noticed that a lot on CNN as well, But 534 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:14,839 you know. 535 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 6: Getting past that, uh, just saying I would say, going 536 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,960 with the overall you know, progressive candidate wins here, what 537 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:30,960 does it say, Yeah, I'd say after the you know, 538 00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:34,240 after we get to the mid terms, we'll see how 539 00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:40,400 those candidates fare in comparison with you know, more mainstream candidates. 540 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,319 Speaker 5: Uh say abdu Wels. 541 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,799 Speaker 6: Right, he's going to be you know, in that Senate race, 542 00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:50,680 uh for you know, against Mike Rogers. If he wins, 543 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,640 but he wins in more of a like a nail bitter, 544 00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:58,799 you know, will that be used, as you know, a 545 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:05,400 way for mainstream Democrats in the overall political press to say, look, 546 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:13,759 you know, progressivism and the DSA style candidates are they 547 00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:17,880 are an anchor on the Democrats here going forward. But 548 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:21,200 if he were to win by the same margin or 549 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,640 a larger margin against Rogers, who is a well known 550 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,240 candidate there in Michigan, somebody who served as a congressman 551 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:36,559 before in his run for higher office there recently, then 552 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,400 it kind of it takes that narrative away from them. 553 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,799 But you know, to your point, what does that say 554 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:49,519 for twenty twenty eight? 555 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:49,839 Speaker 5: Right? 556 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,759 Speaker 2: Oh, that thought We'll talk about twenty twenty eight when 557 00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:53,920 we come forward on Tavis Smile, You're Indeed, I'll put 558 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,400 this same questionnaire dot twenty l West in about five 559 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,039 minutes at the top of the second hour. 560 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,759 Speaker 1: Not the wish ran for president as an independent. 561 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,039 Speaker 2: I'm curious as to what this moment, this primary season 562 00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:07,920 says to him about the kind of person that ought 563 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,319 to stay home and the kind of folks that need 564 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:12,160 to show up in twenty twenty eight. We'll let doctor 565 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,319 West opine on that in just a few moments. I 566 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,440 got two minutes left here just to Mike quick for you. 567 00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:19,240 What's your read of what this primary season is for 568 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,680 is for telling about what twenty twenty eight ought. 569 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:24,039 Speaker 1: To look like. 570 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 6: Well, I think first off on my mind here is 571 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:33,720 that Gavin Newsom should not run. I know he will, 572 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,079 but everything I've seen is that he just keeps falling 573 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:45,480 in voters' perspectives, and whether it's polls or prediction markets 574 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:48,880 or any of that, it just seems that there's not 575 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,039 going to be an appetite for. 576 00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 5: Somebody who's made that kind of name in politics. 577 00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 6: And I'll be you know, as much as Gavin could 578 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,440 probably portray himself as a progressive, I don't think that 579 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,160 there's going to be any appetite for him. 580 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:06,599 Speaker 5: Running. 581 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,159 Speaker 6: Same with folks that like Ram Emmanuel, probably Josh Shapiro 582 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,800 in Pennsylvania. These are ones that their names have been floated. 583 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,280 I just don't think that there's going to be any 584 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,559 appetite there. Same with you know, Kamala I don't think 585 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,960 even though she might be the presumptive favor going in, 586 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,039 you know, the thought is going to be that you know, 587 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:33,639 she lost, and even if it's not totally you know, 588 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,920 on her, because she was thrust into it late, there's 589 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,480 not going to be that appetite to have somebody that 590 00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:46,559 represents the previous administration that lost the White House back 591 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:47,599 to the Trump to. 592 00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,519 Speaker 5: Represent the Democrats in twenty twenty eight. 593 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 6: I do think it'll be somebody, you know, like an 594 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,679 AOC that'll end up grabbing onto that nomination. 595 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 5: Uh. 596 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 6: We've seen a lot of movement from John Ostoff lately, 597 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:15,039 who seems to understand the style of aggressive politics whilst 598 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:21,079 still portraying himself as a thoughtful person. 599 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: It's gonna, no, I think, are the ones. No, it's 600 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,079 gonna be fascinating, fascinating campaign. 601 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:27,679 Speaker 5: Uh. 602 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 2: We gotta get past these mid terms first come November, Uh, 603 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,519 and see what the impact is, see whether or not 604 00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:36,880 these DSA and progressive candidates can actually win in November. 605 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:38,719 The jury is still out on that. But once we 606 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,960 get past that, but I think I think the die 607 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,360 is set. The die has been cast rather uh, and 608 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,679 the frame is set. What people are interested in, what 609 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,159 they are looking for. They want fighters, they want progressives. 610 00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 4: Uh. 611 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 2: And we'll talk about that, Doctor Cornell Western. We come 612 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:52,119 forward here on Tavis Smiley. 613 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: Thank you, Justin