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Speaker 1: How are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we managed to connect. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: It goes perfect with the book. It's about time, and

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that's what we had to do. We had so much

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time to keep planning, keep planning, keep planning. It's like

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we've lived out our own web of time here exactly perfect.

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Speaker 2: This is a perfect segue.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it for this book to come together. I mean,

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you really do cover a lot of ground in the

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way of bringing creativity to a level of getting inside

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our imaginations. You're the one that wrote it. How did

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you plant the seeds to come up with the paragraphs?

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Speaker 2: That is such a good question, and thank you for

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asking it. So it really is a book that came

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together in time. No pun intended it. It was something

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that took about a year of ideas in the back

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of my head to really come together. And it was

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really motivated not just by time, but time in specific places.

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It was time. It was time that I've spent and

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been new in Rome and Tunis, in Tripoli, in these

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incredible ancient cities that have really both been incredible at

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handling modernity but also struggled with it. And so from

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that was kind of born this question around how do

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these cities handle time? And then also if they had

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gods attached to them, how would those gods handle time?

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And how would that affect humans? And that's really where

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the idea came from.

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Speaker 3: See that right there in itself says, so time has

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a purpose, time has a plan, and then if it

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is controlled by the gods, oh my god, now we've

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got leadership.

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Speaker 2: But do we have leadership? If you know? In the story,

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I think we find that there are so many different

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factors playing in it, not least of which is the

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importance of humans and also the free will and the

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way that we prioritize both our time and the people

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and places that we love.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that you talk about is learning

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how to listen without the judgment, and that right there

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is I mean, I hope that somebody reads that or

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feels it and it truly starts putting the steps forward

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of experiencing it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope so too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's very much a book about you know,

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it's about community, it's about voice, it's about connection, it's

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about the right to find your way home and standing

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up for each other. So both not judging ourselves and

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characters as they're kind of growing, both the gods and

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the humans. Really is not just their judgment of each other,

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but their judgment of themselves and what's come before them

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and how they approach that.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting that you bring that up, because I was

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just studying that a couple of weeks ago, about the

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judgment of self, and that's the reason why people would

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rather choose to live in the past and not being

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the present, because being in the present is uncertainty and

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people don't like uncertainty.

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Speaker 2: Right right. And one of my favorite gods of the

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book is Tavide. He's the Roman god of the River,

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and that's really how we see his storyline play out.

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Is you know, is he going to be able to

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accept the fact that the city that he loves, Rome,

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that he's guarded for so many centuries. Is he going

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to be able to be modern with Rome? Is he

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going to grow with her? Or is he going to

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be so obsessed with the past that he's not able

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to move into today and ultimately tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about that, the importance

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of cultural cross pollenization. I mean that seems to be

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a big issue here as well, because I mean, can

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we work with the past as well as the future?

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Speaker 2: I hope very much so. I think I think we

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see that a lot. And that's really, you know, in

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one of the main themes of the book is cultural

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cross pollination, each other's stories, the fact that what brings

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us together is so much stronger than what could ever

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try to tear us apart. But there are moments where

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we we live with being uncomfortable. I think we've all

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seen that when we're in new places, right you're uncomfortable

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and there's a moment where you kind of resist. Do

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you resist or do you take what you know and

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bring it forward into what you can know and make

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a new color from all of the colors that you

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already know. Are we going to cross pollinate or are

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we going to get left.

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Speaker 3: In the past in a really creative way. It's like

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you're saying, I understand family traditions, but you need to

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go out there and learn new traditions. You can call

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it your own for your days, your own.

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Speaker 2: Path, Yes, but I think also in respect for the

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traditions that you hold dear to your heart, I truly

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believe in the travels that I've gotten to have and

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the ones that I hope to have in the future,

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and all of the different cultures, and also as an

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Italian myself, I deeply value tradition, and I do think

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that there's a place for bringing what we hold dear

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and remembering that and bringing it also with us. And

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I do think that our colors add on to each other.

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I don't think we have to forget or I hope

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we don't have to forget where we come from, but

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also in respect of where other people are coming from

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to make a new path forward.

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Speaker 3: I can still relate with that because I grew up

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in the state of Montana, who really loves their western appeal.

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a city of two million plus, it's like, when I

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go back to Montana, I don't want to be in

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that tradition anymore, because it's because it's like you grow

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beyond it, and I don't want that eighteen eighty eight

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Speaker 2: Right, of course, And I think it also depends also,

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I mean both amazing places, right, I think there are

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amazing things that you bring from both of those places

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and those different times and you know, when I come

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back to Rome is my home city, so it's steeped

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in history, and there was a bit of discord at

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first when I was I grew up in the US,

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and coming back to Rome in the beginning was quite

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difficult for me. It was such a culture shock, even

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it was supposed to be home, I think primarily because

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it was supposed to feel like home. And it took

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some time, and I think one of the things that

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ended up being the best thing for me was kind

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of loving the history of it and realizing that you

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don't have to only live in the history of it,

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right you can bring today with you. And that's that's

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what I love about Rome, is that it's trying to

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in terms of the city and in terms of the

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culture and the people and how much we can we

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can bring with us.

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Speaker 3: That's so interesting that you bring that up, because as

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a third degree black belt, one of the things that

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my asabonym always told us, he says, you will not

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the history of how we got to this moment. And

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we're getting a history lesson, but you're also teaching us

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to grow forward.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and look toward the future and hopefully the

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future together.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next, we've got more with Flavia Brunetti. Thanks

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for coming back to my conversation with author Flabbia Brunetti.

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One of the things that listeners need to understand is

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that this is a book for all readers, YA to

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middle aged and beyond. And the reason why is because

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you say time changes by way of how the human evolves,

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and that to me is a very important message.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I love that you brought that up. Thank you,

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Thank you for bringing that up. It's very, very true.

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It's a book that I originally the story came about,

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I wanted it to be middle grade, so I wanted

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it to be a children's book. It ended up really

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developing into a young adult book. But like you said,

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it really applies itself to two older generations, to new generations,

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and it's really I mean, I speak as the author,

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of course, but I'm super happy that you agree. I

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also think it's a book that applies to Also, I

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love that it's it's also for adventurers. It has so

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much armchair travel and you know, it's also for people

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it actually was even going in even deeper into the

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histories of Tunisia, of Libya, of Rome. And of course

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those are histories that you can never really learn everything,

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but so much of it was just about finding those

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little bits and pieces that I got from living there,

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and hopefully people will go and experience those places and

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build on that even more for themselves if they haven't

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like a historian or do you feel

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like it's like, Okay, I'm here and I have witnessed this.

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to where I can get people to you know, it's

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like Greek mythology. I mean, you're creating this environment where

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you're creating characters where all readers can say, I can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really hope. So it really truly was a

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brand new panteon, yes, and mixed with it's mixed with

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the real histories, and that's kind of what I love

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about the genre. Of you know, grounded fantasy is that

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you're taking the real, but you're also building on it

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and mixing in the fantastical. And so the mythologies, some

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some of the gods. They're taken from from other gods,

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from gods that the Romans had, that the Greek population had.

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river god of Rome. Nafusa is a real mountain, a

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string of mountains in Libya. So it's it's all got

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a little bit of of of everything.

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Speaker 3: I like to think as you went into each town

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in village, it's personality. How how were you able to

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capture it so easily? Or was it easy?

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it justice to say that that it was easy to

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in Rome, Roman my home city. I've lived in Tunisia.

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all places that I have fallen in love with. But

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like I was saying before, there are those moments you

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have to get to know a place. You know, there's

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no way around the awkward phase, right, you have to

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be okay with being embarrassed. There's a whole series of things.

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I really feel like I had the opportunity to steep

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in those places. But then at the same time, it's

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never enough, right. There's an old saying in Italian that

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in Rome, a lifetime is not enough, and I think

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that's also true of Tunisia and Libyan, all of these places.

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of Rome. I'm a guest, right, so there are so

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many other things that I don't know. But I think

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Speaker 3: Discover a lifetime is not enough. But yet right away

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I'm thinking, well, it's because we've all lived this life before.

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We're coming back. We're just going to continue the story.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that you bring up that really

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come is very warm to my heart, kindness art and language.

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a poster, you know, because people need to understand that

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kindness is an art.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And I when I when I was writing it,

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of a friend of mine who's reading it said, oh,

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but I don't know that kindness has a place there

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with art and language, And I said, well, I think

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that kindness is what makes the world go round. Kindness

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and love, and that's that's that mixes into into our language,

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it mixes into our art. So exactly like you said,

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modern day times here. Are you going to turn this

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you going to try to get this into animation? What

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happens next?

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Speaker 2: So I hope so very much. In terms of the

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literary side, so it is it can stand alone. But

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I don't think we're done with this story yet, so

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I'm working on a sequel. But then at the same time,

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my publisher, Blue House Literary, is a piece of Blue

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House Media, and they want to make something visual with it.

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that I did here in Rome a couple of weeks ago,

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actually is this beautiful visual of what the Great Portals

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might look like and the music that went with it,

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and that just like exploded a bunch of different ideas

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for us. So we're definitely looking at how to turn

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this into something else, because I think it really lends

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to I love your idea of like a Netflix show.

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Speaker 3: Is it on audible because I'm such a big audible thing.

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hear the interpretation of another voice reading the paragraphs to

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me so I can envision it. Because you know how

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we are as readers. We hear our voices in our head,

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but it's your words.

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course, So it's not an audible yet, but

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we are working on that.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Where can people go to find out

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more about you and give you some love?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's such a sweet question, Thank you.

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So I'm super easily locatable. I'm on substack. I'm at

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Flavianroome dot substack dot com. I'm also on Instagram. I'm

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Which Way to Roam on Instagram and then of course

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you can find out more about the book at webethtimebook

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dot com.

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Speaker 3: You got to come back to the show anytime in

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the future. The door is always going to be open

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for you.

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Speaker 2: No Ero, thank you so much. It's been such an

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honor to get to chat with you today.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's been fun this little journey of you know,

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locating each other. I mean, it's like looking for the

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diamond in the rough and it's like, can we finally

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get to talk?

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Speaker 1: And that, to me is part of our story now

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I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love he to the next part of our story.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much. Eral you too,