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<v Speaker 1>This episode maintain content of a graphic nature, including descriptions

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<v Speaker 1>of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi. I'm Shannon. Hi I'm Tanya, and we are Crimes

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<v Speaker 2>and Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you? I'm doing pretty good for a Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am doing a really good for a Monday too.

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<v Speaker 2>I've come to some decisions.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, important life decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to call them first world problem. So no, seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>A while back, I was using ozembic right caab really

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<v Speaker 2>good results. Then some life events happened. I put it

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<v Speaker 2>on the back burner and it's been about gosh, six

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<v Speaker 2>eight weeks now, you know. And just yesterday I was sinking,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to get my head back on it. I

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<v Speaker 2>need to get back on it because they had really

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<v Speaker 2>good results and I like it. And then I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>whoa Thursday is Thanksgiving? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not starting it right now. I'm not going to start

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<v Speaker 2>it until January probably this is prime grazing time. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I did this guy, we'll call him Ronnie. Ronnie.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to take him to rehab twice, and I

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<v Speaker 2>remember both times. Yeah, both times we had to stop

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<v Speaker 2>and get him a fifth of Jamison that he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to polish off in the twenty minute ride to rehab,

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<v Speaker 2>which was usually going to keep him out of jail time.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's how I feel like I am, Tanya. This

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<v Speaker 2>is my Jamison time. I'm loading up on Jamison until

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<v Speaker 2>I get to rehab, which is December. After Leftover, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just Nomber twenty eight. I'll be ready for.

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<v Speaker 3>Zen Helm Pigure's your rehab exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready. I'm fucking ready right after Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I hear you.

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going with you?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it's great. I also was on nozempic, but I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't been taking it the past few weeks, and I

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<v Speaker 3>because I just wanted to see, like, can I still maintain?

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<v Speaker 3>I've been able to maintain. I've still lost the pounds,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm up around like thirty five pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>So see that's what I mean. Like, I know, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>let you know what I weigh my next land because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to know yet. You know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>ready to face that. You're right, I'm not facing it,

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<v Speaker 2>not yet. So I have some big eating to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about me and massed potatoes. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get down in dead day.

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<v Speaker 3>So what do you got for me today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do have a story about Miss Betty Lou Beats.

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<v Speaker 2>And before I tell you, let me let everybody know

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<v Speaker 2>that wherever you're listening to us, that goal ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>hit subscribing, you'll never miss us crimes and consequences. So, Tommy,

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you about Betty Lou Dunavante. That's her

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<v Speaker 2>maiden name, which we will call her Betty Lou Beats.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, okay, So Betty Lou. She was

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<v Speaker 2>born in Roxboro, North Carolina, on March twelfth, nineteen thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes her Pisces. Okay, So she had a hell

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<v Speaker 2>of a childhood. She lost her hearing at a very

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<v Speaker 2>early age. She was three due to the measles and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know in nineteen thirty seven, so forty measles, no backs.

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<v Speaker 2>She claimed to have been sexually abused by her own

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<v Speaker 2>father when she was only five years old. She was

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<v Speaker 2>the second child born to her parents. Her father's name

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<v Speaker 2>was James Garland Dounavon and her mother was Margaret Louise

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<v Speaker 2>Smithwick Smithwick Dounavon the town of Roxboro barely had five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people in its population at the time Betty came

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<v Speaker 2>into the world, and this area was still trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get back on its feet, and the community was just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find their way out of the Great Depression

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<v Speaker 2>m h m hm. At the time of her birth,

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<v Speaker 2>Betty's family resided in a very small cabin that had

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<v Speaker 2>no running water, and the windows of the cabin home

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even have glass in them. Can you imagine that

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<v Speaker 2>is just like little house on a prairie?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember reading those books too?

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<v Speaker 3>I did not read the books. Oh, I only watched

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<v Speaker 3>the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I Oh my gosh. You know you're always worried

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<v Speaker 2>about the hungry wolf in the winter. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>there's a window in the panes. So Betty had an

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<v Speaker 2>older brother named Dewey, and to also two younger siblings,

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<v Speaker 2>but not much has really known about them, other than

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that Betty and Dewey had to take care

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<v Speaker 2>of one another when she was around twelve years old

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<v Speaker 2>after her mother became mentally ill. Will dive deeper into

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<v Speaker 2>Margaret's mental state, but before her mother became mentally ill.

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<v Speaker 2>She cleaned mansions and homes of wealthy families. Whenever their

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<v Speaker 2>mother came back home after long day's work. Margaret would

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<v Speaker 2>always love telling her children every little detail of the

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<v Speaker 2>houses she worked in that day. Especially that was exciting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like I wonder what mom saw today. Betty's

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<v Speaker 2>eyes would light up and sparkle while listening to her

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<v Speaker 2>mother's detailed day. The small family lived in poverty, so

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<v Speaker 2>they never were really able to get their hands on

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<v Speaker 2>milk and vegetables, so they had no choice other than

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<v Speaker 2>to survive on flour, salted pork, and corn meal. You imagine. No, Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really know what the difference between regular pork

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<v Speaker 2>and salted pork was, so I did a little digging,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was able to discover that salted pork is

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<v Speaker 2>usually used for adding flavor to dishes, like you added

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<v Speaker 2>to canned baked beans. Get that nice savory flavor. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>these three food items were barely nourishing enough to keep

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<v Speaker 2>Betty and Dewey fed. The family's only way to get

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<v Speaker 2>heat in the cabin without windows was a cold stove,

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<v Speaker 2>but since the house had no windows, the heat was

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<v Speaker 2>never felt. Betty and her brother were always fighting colds

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<v Speaker 2>and the flu due to their constant lack of warmth

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<v Speaker 2>in the winter months. When she was still a child,

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<v Speaker 2>her family moved from North Carolina to the industrial town

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<v Speaker 2>of Danville, Virginia. This was only about thirty miles north

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<v Speaker 2>from Roxboro, North Carolina. While Betty and Dewey went to daycare,

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<v Speaker 2>Margaret and James were able to find work at the

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<v Speaker 2>local cottinas. While working there, Betty's parents were able to

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<v Speaker 2>provide more than the basic necessities for their children. They

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<v Speaker 2>were also able to move into a cozy little home

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<v Speaker 2>that had windows and was able to keep the family warm.

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<v Speaker 2>See how things can just change in a day, right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's like grueling kind of childhood for.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't even imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. After this move was when Betty got sick with

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<v Speaker 2>the measles, and this illness nearly killed her. She was

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<v Speaker 2>only about five years old and she suffered through one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and five degree fever for days. Ooh Ough, her

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<v Speaker 2>mother looked after her and would try to keep her

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<v Speaker 2>little girl's temperature down with ice cold compresses on her forehead.

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<v Speaker 2>She once compared Betty's fevered body temperature to a frying pan.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet yeah, Margaret prayed and prayed that God wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>take her baby because she was that sick with the

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<v Speaker 2>measles came one ear infection after the next, and when

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<v Speaker 2>Betty got better and was able to return to school,

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<v Speaker 2>she could barely hear her teachers as they went through

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<v Speaker 2>their lessons. Betty struggled and she had to repeat the

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<v Speaker 2>fourth grade. Oh boy, Yeah, this in itself is embarrassing

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<v Speaker 2>for any child to go through. As the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>her friends moved on to the next grade, she was

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely humiliated as her friends made fun of her When

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<v Speaker 2>they would see her in the hallways at school. They

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<v Speaker 2>would chant at her and call her stupid. It just

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<v Speaker 2>makes me want to punch makes it, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. I know that there are children, but it

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<v Speaker 2>makes me want to just be their age for just

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<v Speaker 2>a quick minute, take care of some business. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna grow right back up. But Betty didn't know any

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<v Speaker 2>better about herself. She leave the rumors about herself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is really what kids do. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>you know how kids can be jerk sometimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. The first bullies. Betty's mother, Margaret, gave

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<v Speaker 2>birth to a son named Jinny when Betty was eight

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<v Speaker 2>years old. Two years later, another child was born, a

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<v Speaker 2>daughter who they named Jackie. Four years after giving birth

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<v Speaker 2>to Jackie, Margaret had a mental breakdown, or what they

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<v Speaker 2>called a psychotic break. Never once did she experience any

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<v Speaker 2>symptoms that would lead doctors into predicting that this was

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen. One day, everything was fine, and the

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<v Speaker 2>next day the cotton mill called an ambulance for Margaret

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<v Speaker 2>to be rushed to the closest hospital. Margaret was admitted

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<v Speaker 2>and she stayed in the hospital for a week, and

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<v Speaker 2>when she was finally released, Margaret was pale and completely

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<v Speaker 2>shaken at what had just occurred in her place of work.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing like this had ever happened to her, so she

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<v Speaker 2>had no clue what to think, and she was scared.

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<v Speaker 2>Her doctors provided her with medications to regulate her, and

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<v Speaker 2>they would consistently come by the house to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>she was okay. Not long after the mental break, she

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<v Speaker 2>sadly began to hallucinate demons, and she began hearing voices

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<v Speaker 2>in her head that sounds like schizophrenia, Yeah, definitely. Often

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<v Speaker 2>she would have moments where she was physically trying to

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<v Speaker 2>fight off the demons that only she could see, and

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<v Speaker 2>with that came many people believing that Margaret was out

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<v Speaker 2>of her mind and crazy when she needed mental help.

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<v Speaker 2>Betty witnessed a lot of her mom's mental state and

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<v Speaker 2>she became terrified whenever she saw her mother acting strangely

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<v Speaker 2>and violently, and after seeing this, Betty wondered if this

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<v Speaker 2>illness was hereditary. Well after her mental illness got worse,

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<v Speaker 2>roughly a year later, Margaret was sent to live at

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<v Speaker 2>Eastern State Hospital located in Williamsburg, Virginia, about two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>miles east of Danville. While she was institutionalized, she was

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<v Speaker 2>for three months and while she was there, she went

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<v Speaker 2>through some pretty tough treatments such as shock therapy and

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<v Speaker 2>insulin coma therapy.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Insulin coma therapy was used between the years nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three in nineteen sixty and This concept was used to

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<v Speaker 2>help mental patients deal with severe mental problems. This form

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<v Speaker 2>of treatment consisted of patients getting injected with a very

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<v Speaker 2>large dose of insulin to create a medically induced coma.

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<v Speaker 2>It was considered to be crucial throughout the development of

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<v Speaker 2>psychiatry in the United States. This was eventually phased out

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<v Speaker 2>when antidepressants had been invented in a pill form and

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<v Speaker 2>they were able to help patients without administering incredible amounts

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<v Speaker 2>of Although this technique was considered to be monumental, it

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<v Speaker 2>was also discovered to have no real effect on mental patients.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's great. So making people go into these medically

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<v Speaker 3>induced comas and they didn't help at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. You know how many time I would

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<v Speaker 2>be like, I need to go into a coma. I

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<v Speaker 2>need to fucking go into a coma. I have an

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<v Speaker 2>appointment to go into a comma. You know that would

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<v Speaker 2>be nice.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just crazy, though, that really is.

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<v Speaker 2>What nineteen thirty three. Inineteen sixty we didn't know shit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's gonna help.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on. Yeah, they put them to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>That did help.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't have to be watched, you know exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It helped. Who worked there? Yeah, I give them off

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<v Speaker 2>their backs?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, they didn't care.

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<v Speaker 2>That was yeah. I would love to know the first

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<v Speaker 2>like hypothesis of behind this experiment. Well, Sadly, Betty was

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<v Speaker 2>not only bullied for having to repeat the fourth grade,

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<v Speaker 2>but she was also bullied for her mom's mental capacity. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>these little assholes would always fake having seizures when passing

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<v Speaker 2>Betty in the hallways at school. That's hilarious, Oh because

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<v Speaker 2>yeah that I'm dealing with this at homes Thanks for yeah, Dix,

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<v Speaker 2>And they would frantically waving their hands as if to

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<v Speaker 2>flail while getting a reaction out of the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>Betty's classmates. Clowns. Fucking clowns, right. This constant torment made

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<v Speaker 2>Betty come to the realization that she hated school and

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<v Speaker 2>would do anything to get away from it. She took

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<v Speaker 2>She cooked and she cleaned up after everyone. She would

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<v Speaker 2>she felt more more important than getting bullied every day.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear your sister. She eventually weighed only eighty pounds. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with all the shit she was going through with her mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Betty's father would often come home from work completely drunk

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<v Speaker 2>Margaret's mental state. Whenever her father, James, was drunk, Betty

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<v Speaker 2>would become scared of him. One wrong move could get

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<v Speaker 2>her beaten with the leather belt that he had just

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<v Speaker 2>taken off after having a long, strenuous day at the Cottinals.

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<v Speaker 2>After Betty was beaten, she would obey her father, but

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<v Speaker 2>this created hostility within Betty, as it would, she came

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<v Speaker 2>to the understanding that if she obeyed him, there would

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<v Speaker 2>be no beatings. It's truly heartbreaking to see how Betty

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<v Speaker 2>example of feeling sorry for the child, but not for

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<v Speaker 2>the murderous adult. You know, yeah, we feel sorry and

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<v Speaker 2>I do. This is hard, this is a hard upbringing.

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<v Speaker 2>These years felt like an eternity to Betty, so at

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<v Speaker 2>her first chance of freedom, she jumped. So Betty, when

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<v Speaker 2>she was fifteen years old, she got married to an

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen year old man named Rob Franklin Branson. Now, when

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<v Speaker 2>the two first met, he was quiet and she was

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<v Speaker 2>hard working at the local zipper factory. Sometimes life it's

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<v Speaker 2>so scripted. Let's make him work at the local zipper factory.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though he didn't have much money and the future

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<v Speaker 2>didn't look pretty, she didn't care one bit. Margaret forced

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<v Speaker 2>Betty into marrying him because she thought Betty was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>The reasoning behind this thought was because she had not

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<v Speaker 2>gotten her period yet. And when a girl hadn't had

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<v Speaker 2>her period at the age of fifteen while, then she

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<v Speaker 2>must be pregnant, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not male nourished or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not like he's eighty pounds or something else. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it must be pregnancy. The truth of the matter was

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<v Speaker 2>that Betty was a virgin who just hadn't gotten her

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<v Speaker 2>first period yet. So after Margaret's strong encouragement, Betty and

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<v Speaker 2>Robert were married on July eighteenth, nineteen fifty two, and

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<v Speaker 2>this was only a month after she finished her freshman

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<v Speaker 2>year of high school. Whoa a year after their marriage,

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<v Speaker 2>Betty became pregnant with the couple's first child. Thing. According

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<v Speaker 2>to reports, the marriage between Betty and Robert was abusive

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<v Speaker 2>and she still wanted freedom that comes along with being

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<v Speaker 2>a young teenage girl. At one point, Betty said to

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<v Speaker 2>her husband, I'm no better off now than when I

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<v Speaker 2>had to cook and clean from my parents, and having

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<v Speaker 2>this baby is just like being saddled with my brother

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<v Speaker 2>and sister. Yikes. She was a wife and new mother,

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<v Speaker 2>but the couple separated. You to the abuse, Robert thought

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe more money would make his complaining wife happier,

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<v Speaker 2>so he went to Norfolk, the shipyard to find a

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<v Speaker 2>better paying job. He was making a lot more money,

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<v Speaker 2>so he tried to shower his new little family with

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<v Speaker 2>gifts and luxuries that Betty never had before. Rather than

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<v Speaker 2>being happy that she could live as comfortably as she

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<v Speaker 2>ever had, Betty was pissed about being at home with

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<v Speaker 2>the baby instead of having her freedom. She would often

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<v Speaker 2>say at the time, I'm only sixteen. That does yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I hear you right what? I am only sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>I am only sixteen. Jesus, give me a break.

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<v Speaker 2>It also didn't help that whenever she would run into

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<v Speaker 2>her former classmates, they would always brag about the best

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<v Speaker 2>high school events that they knew she was missing out on,

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<v Speaker 2>like proms, homecoming dances, football games, pep rallies. The couple

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<v Speaker 2>constantly argued, and due to this they separated for a

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<v Speaker 2>happy year. When the separation happened, she had to move

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<v Speaker 2>herself and faith back home to live with her parents,

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<v Speaker 2>and this crushed her more than anything else, so she

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<v Speaker 2>fell into a severely depressed state. He knew that she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to be in her current situation, and she

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<v Speaker 2>tried to kill herself by swallowing two whole bottles of aspirin. Yikes,

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<v Speaker 2>yes yeah. After her parents found her unconscious next to

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<v Speaker 2>two empty bottles, they called her husband and told him

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what happened. Robert rushed to her bedside and convinced

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<v Speaker 2>her to get back together with him. Not long after

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<v Speaker 2>the two got back together, their daughter, Connie was born,

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<v Speaker 2>and with a new baby came a brand new start.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert found a new job in Texas working construction, and

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<v Speaker 2>this job offered a lot more money than he was

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<v Speaker 2>making at the shipyard. The family of four packed up

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<v Speaker 2>and moved to Mesquite, Texas, and this small town is

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<v Speaker 2>located about eighteen minutes east of Dallas. While Betty began

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<v Speaker 2>to fall in love with being a full time mother,

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<v Speaker 2>Robert did very well at his new job. The family

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<v Speaker 2>began to blossom into a family of five when their

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<v Speaker 2>daughter surely came into the world the beginning of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty nine. She and Robert would have three more children together.

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<v Speaker 2>Their third daughter, Phyllis, was born in nineteen sixty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Their first son, Robert Franklin, the second he goes by Robbie,

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<v Speaker 2>was born in nineteen sixty four, and their second son,

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby was born in nineteen sixty six. Whoa right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>she went from not being lying to be a mom

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<v Speaker 2>to being a mom a nice brood of kids you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean yeah, pretty cool. Within their fourteen year long marriage,

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<v Speaker 2>Robert and Betty parented six children. Betty was only twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine years old and she was considered to be very attractive.

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<v Speaker 2>She knew how to dress to her body type, and

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<v Speaker 2>her body type was very unusual for a woman who

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<v Speaker 2>had given birth to six children. She had a tiny waist,

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<v Speaker 2>large boobs, and she wore makeup that looked to be

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<v Speaker 2>applied professionally, but she would do it herself. She would

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<v Speaker 2>also spol four inch high heels since she was only

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<v Speaker 2>five to two inches tall. She bleached her hair out

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<v Speaker 2>blonde since that was the color of her hair when

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<v Speaker 2>she was young, and she would give herself perms to

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<v Speaker 2>keep her hair as high as heaven and asinous closer

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<v Speaker 2>to God girl yes, and as voluminous as she possibly

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't and this was very in style at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>especially for women who were looking for a man in

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<v Speaker 2>the local bars. Saying, staying home raising six kids was

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<v Speaker 2>something that she was getting over, and she began to

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<v Speaker 2>crave a man who would make her feel sexy and wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I did not pick a body in this

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<v Speaker 2>incarnation that would rebound so robustly after pregnancy, after one,

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<v Speaker 2>let alone six.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but when I tell you, you know you weren't

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen fast?

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<v Speaker 2>What that's true? You know? Yes, I was almost double

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<v Speaker 2>that I was thirty one. Yeah, she're just older. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just that when I see women who are

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<v Speaker 2>like and I'm like, and you're amazing, even though I

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<v Speaker 2>know it has nothing to do with them or else

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<v Speaker 2>we'd all be doing it right. But like, your body

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<v Speaker 2>just has its own running system which is so much

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<v Speaker 2>more different than mine. So now, Betty, she began to

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<v Speaker 2>go out late at night to see two things, a

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<v Speaker 2>man and a good time, oh, which are the same

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<v Speaker 2>faith as they are two sides of the same coin. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>So she began to recruit her older kids to babysit

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<v Speaker 2>the youngest ones, and after she dressed herself to the nines,

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<v Speaker 2>she drove to a bar located in East Dallas called

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<v Speaker 2>the Silver Slipper. Betty was a smashing success at the

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<v Speaker 2>bars as men began to fight over her, and she

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<v Speaker 2>realized that this was the life she never got to

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<v Speaker 2>live right you are, and according to her, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>too late. She was going to grab life by the longhorns.

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<v Speaker 2>When this became a usual thing at home, her kids

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<v Speaker 2>began to become angry with her. She would literally do

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<v Speaker 2>anything to get out of that house and away from

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<v Speaker 2>her reality. The home that she once kept tidy was

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<v Speaker 2>falling apart quickly. Robert even said to her, Betty, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to put up with this. I always thought

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<v Speaker 2>you were a good wife, and I know the kids

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<v Speaker 2>love you, but I can't handle how you're acting while

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out trying to support our family. Robert, by all accounts,

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<v Speaker 2>was considered to be quite a handsome man, and women

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<v Speaker 2>really seemed to find him attractive. In nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>he demanded a divorce from Betty after the two had

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<v Speaker 2>been married for seventeen years, and once the divorce was finalized,

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<v Speaker 2>he quickly got remarried to a younger woman. I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to hear his side of the story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can blame Betty for going to the bars,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you're doing a madman thing where you're always

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<v Speaker 2>out and about. Yeah, So the ended marriage with Robert

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely destroyed Betty both emotionally and financially. She got full

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<v Speaker 2>custody of the six children. Now, this is a different time,

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<v Speaker 2>and Robert was required to pay a court ordered monthly

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<v Speaker 2>amount of three hundred and fifty dollars for child support,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the equivalent a little over three thousand today.

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<v Speaker 2>It was decent money in nineteen sixty nine, but you

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<v Speaker 2>split between six children. It wasn't enough, you know now,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is covering all the bills and all the

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<v Speaker 2>six kids for three hundred and fifty a month. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much their rent would be or

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<v Speaker 2>their mortgage. You know, there's things, but it wasn't enough,

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<v Speaker 2>especially since Betty didn't work. Betty drank to help cope

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<v Speaker 2>with the loneliness that she was experiencing, and she's spent

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<v Speaker 2>most of her nights out on a town bar hopping.

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<v Speaker 2>As the children got older, they wasted no time, leaving

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<v Speaker 2>Betty one by one. Betty even sent some of them

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<v Speaker 2>away so that she could live her life the way

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<v Speaker 2>she wanted. Now, Faye actually met a nice man and

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<v Speaker 2>moved out after marrying him at the age of fifteen. Wow, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's jumped and ship. You know, she jumped ship. Betty

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<v Speaker 2>jumps ship for her family. You know, the cycle repeating.

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<v Speaker 2>Now her oldest is doing the same. So after Fay

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<v Speaker 2>moved out to start a life of her own, Betty

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<v Speaker 2>sent Robbie and Phyllis away to live with their father

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<v Speaker 2>and his new bride. That's so bitchy, you know. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>your father just got married.

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<v Speaker 3>Go yeah, you go live with your day go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Robbie is only eight years old and Phyllis was ten.

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<v Speaker 2>These are crucial girling years for these kids. At this

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<v Speaker 2>time too, when Betty was kissing Robbie goodbye, he had

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<v Speaker 2>tears in his eyes and pleaded with his mom to

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<v Speaker 2>let him live with her. And she just looked at

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<v Speaker 2>him and said soon. Yeah. Why I know what. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I couldn't even imagine. Oh this is where we

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<v Speaker 2>part ways, the cool bar life, the fun bar life.

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<v Speaker 2>But she did, she said soon. And then she went

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<v Speaker 2>five years without seeing him at all. Wow. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>we know Robbie's had hopefully good therapy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, hopefully.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah yes, And when she did see him, it was

421
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<v Speaker 2>only for a couple of minutes. Ten years went by

422
00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:39.559
<v Speaker 2>in total before he came back home to live with

423
00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:44.640
<v Speaker 2>his mother. Now that's awkward h Connie eventually left the

424
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.240
<v Speaker 2>house and went to live with Fay. Shirley would sometimes

425
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>live with Betty, but most of the time she lived

426
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:54.000
<v Speaker 2>with her friends. Now Bobby, he was only a toddler

427
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:57.039
<v Speaker 2>at three years old when his parents divorced, and he

428
00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:00.359
<v Speaker 2>was Betty's favorite. He was the only child she actually

429
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted to keep with her. Yeah, until he turns about

430
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:06.880
<v Speaker 2>six or seven, and that's when the week really fall

431
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:12.079
<v Speaker 2>away when it comes to adultings. Robert completely washed his

432
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:15.519
<v Speaker 2>hands with Betty once their divorce was finalized, and the

433
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:19.119
<v Speaker 2>money that Betty was able to get from welfare organizations

434
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.599
<v Speaker 2>wasn't enough to cover her everyday expenses. With my children,

435
00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:27.240
<v Speaker 2>all of their children noticed that after their dad left

436
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:31.640
<v Speaker 2>their mom, Betty wasn't truly happy with anyone else. Ever. Again,

437
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:35.440
<v Speaker 2>their children remembered the good times between their parents and

438
00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:39.000
<v Speaker 2>their second daughter. Connie once told a friend, most of

439
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.240
<v Speaker 2>the good times I remember about my mother were before

440
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:45.279
<v Speaker 2>she and my daddy got divorced. Mama worked so hard

441
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.039
<v Speaker 2>to please him, and when Daddy worked nights, she would

442
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.559
<v Speaker 2>put on makeup before she went to bed, so when

443
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:53.039
<v Speaker 2>he came home around two or three in the morning,

444
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:58.680
<v Speaker 2>she's looking nice for him. Oh, oh fuck that I know.

445
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Why is he coming fucking home two or three in

446
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:03.319
<v Speaker 2>the morning? What the fuck?

447
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:05.799
<v Speaker 3>You washed my face before I go to bed? Just

448
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:06.440
<v Speaker 3>deal with it.

449
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>That's right, Yes, skincare is and it is very important.

450
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.960
<v Speaker 2>That's very dulting. The marriage with Robert did finally come

451
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.480
<v Speaker 2>to an end in nineteen sixty nine. In the following year,

452
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.160
<v Speaker 2>she married her second husband, named Billy york Lane when

453
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.920
<v Speaker 2>she was thirty three years old, and Betty thought that

454
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:28.079
<v Speaker 2>she had escaped abuse when she and Robert separated, but sadly,

455
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:31.119
<v Speaker 2>the same ensued with Billy, and shit got pretty wild

456
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:34.400
<v Speaker 2>when they were married. There were many mind games being

457
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 2>played by both parties along with jealousy and betrayal. Betty

458
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.799
<v Speaker 2>was actually excited to introduce him to her kids before

459
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.559
<v Speaker 2>they all moved out or were kicked out. She told

460
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:47.759
<v Speaker 2>her kids that they would love him since he was

461
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 2>so nice to her. If only she would have spent

462
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.599
<v Speaker 2>more time getting to know him before they tied, not

463
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:57.160
<v Speaker 2>on July twenty eight, nineteen seventy, she would have seen

464
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:01.119
<v Speaker 2>how bad of the temper he had. Gaining weight rather

465
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:04.839
<v Speaker 2>quickly while with Billy, and even though she kept drinking.

466
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>She also took a drug called dexatrim. Remember dexatrin. Remember

467
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:17.160
<v Speaker 2>she took it regularly. Betty admittedly took more of this

468
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:20.720
<v Speaker 2>drugs than what the label instructed, and according to Betty,

469
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:22.759
<v Speaker 2>if she took more of it, the weight would just

470
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 2>fall off. Yeah, because it's speed.

471
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:27.799
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, because it's speed.

472
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Cocaine's less aggressive.

473
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Cousin, I remember dexat I remember the commercials and shiit.

474
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Know, Gosh, if it would I don't even know where

475
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:44.279
<v Speaker 2>we'd be, I know.

476
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:46.599
<v Speaker 3>So.

477
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Sadly, the side effect she experienced were not exactly what

478
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:54.839
<v Speaker 2>she had in mind. She experienced insomnia, agitation, migraines, a

479
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:59.200
<v Speaker 2>bad temper, as you do. Didn't we call it roid rage? Yes,

480
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:05.279
<v Speaker 2>it was like a roid range. She was so. Her

481
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 2>personality also changed drastically, and her children began to notice

482
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:12.240
<v Speaker 2>that their mom had more than one personality that would

483
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 2>come out due to the overuse of the weight loss drug. Yeah,

484
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:20.720
<v Speaker 2>my bets, she would be completely calm one second, and

485
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.039
<v Speaker 2>like a switch flipped in her brain, she would be

486
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:27.119
<v Speaker 2>screaming and cussing it out her kids. Even before the

487
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.799
<v Speaker 2>changes in Betty's moods, Billy's abuse was shown within the

488
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.880
<v Speaker 2>first week of being newlyweds. He loved slapping her around,

489
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:39.480
<v Speaker 2>but this quickly escalated into beatings and punching her. Her

490
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>kids couldn't stand to see their mother covered in bruises

491
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:46.480
<v Speaker 2>like that. Billy knew that she always did everything she

492
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.680
<v Speaker 2>could to look her best, so his favorite spot to

493
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.640
<v Speaker 2>punch and beat her was her face. He knew that

494
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:56.640
<v Speaker 2>would hurt more than just physically. It would kill her

495
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 2>not to be able to cover the deep purple bruises

496
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:03.960
<v Speaker 2>on her face because the foundation wasn't enough to cover them. Eventually,

497
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:08.079
<v Speaker 2>in late October nineteen seventy, she filed a restraining order

498
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>against Billy, and the two divorced two months later. This

499
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.400
<v Speaker 2>never stopped him, though, and the fights ensued. It almost

500
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 2>seemed like the two of them were addicted to one another.

501
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that trauma bond or yeah, toxic relation. On more

502
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.279
<v Speaker 2>than one occasion, Betty would come home from work to

503
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.400
<v Speaker 2>notice a car sitting a little ways from her apartment

504
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 2>with the headlights off, and since she could see the silhouette,

505
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.559
<v Speaker 2>she knew it was Billy watching her from afar. She

506
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:39.559
<v Speaker 2>also said that while she was driving, she could see

507
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.880
<v Speaker 2>him following her in her rear view mirror. Betty once

508
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:45.359
<v Speaker 2>told her doctor, I don't know what's wrong with me.

509
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.400
<v Speaker 2>I get so depressed because I can't pull myself away

510
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 2>from this man and he keeps hitting me. The doctor

511
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>took many notes of her bruising and injuries from the

512
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.240
<v Speaker 2>abuse and recorded them in her medical chart. Rather than

513
00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>telling her to go to the police to report this

514
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Speaker 2>domestic elence, he prescribed her an antidepressant perfect don't yeah,

515
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:09.599
<v Speaker 2>because endure and take this pill. Only a few months later,

516
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:11.720
<v Speaker 2>she made a trip to the emergency room because he

517
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:13.880
<v Speaker 2>hit her so hard in the eye that her skin

518
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.720
<v Speaker 2>busted open and she needed to get stitches to close

519
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>the Wont so much for that Anni fucking depressant.

520
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:21.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

521
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.480
<v Speaker 2>In May of nineteen seventy one, during one of their

522
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 2>many arguments, Billy broke Betty's nose. And what does anyone

523
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>do in that situation, Tanya, what do you think someone

524
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 2>breaks your nose? You fucking grab a gun? Yeah? Shoot him?

525
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:37.799
<v Speaker 2>And she did. She didn't just shoot him once, she

526
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.799
<v Speaker 2>shot him two times in the back, in the back,

527
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:45.799
<v Speaker 2>in the back, so he was it's just I know,

528
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>probably from all that abuse, and now you're gonna fucking

529
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.119
<v Speaker 2>run scurry and away. I have to bust my fucking

530
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.559
<v Speaker 2>nose right. You know your sins are gonna find you, bitch.

531
00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:00.319
<v Speaker 2>So not that I condone shooting in the back, but

532
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 2>I can understand the situation unfolding. As such, the police

533
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.359
<v Speaker 2>came to the house and they arrested her. She was

534
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:11.880
<v Speaker 2>then charged with assault with in time to commit murder

535
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>with malice. Billy told the police that he was completely

536
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>blindsided by this attempt at his life, and of course

537
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>the police believed him. Betty claimed that she was defending

538
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.519
<v Speaker 2>herself and due to her shooting him in the back,

539
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.680
<v Speaker 2>authorities had a very hard time believing that she feared

540
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:32.240
<v Speaker 2>for her life. Connie was there when it all happened,

541
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.920
<v Speaker 2>and she was bawling her eyes out when the police

542
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>responded to a nine to one one call to Betty's apartment.

543
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 2>Connie told the police that Billy called the house and

544
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.839
<v Speaker 2>said that he was coming, and after Connie hung up

545
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 2>the phone, she called the operator and told her to

546
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 2>call the police. Connie had been listening on her mother's

547
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>call from Billy on the extension, so she heard everything

548
00:32:56.079 --> 00:33:00.440
<v Speaker 2>that was said. Billy's daughter, Barbara had a different story

549
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:03.440
<v Speaker 2>to tell. She told the police that she had also

550
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:06.480
<v Speaker 2>been listening in when the phone rang at Billy's apartment,

551
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:10.160
<v Speaker 2>but her story was very different. She told the officers

552
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.480
<v Speaker 2>that Betty was the one who called Billy to come

553
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 2>over and get his things from the apartment. Barbara said,

554
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Betty called and Dad answered the phone. She was crying

555
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 2>and asked Dad to come over to get his things.

556
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.599
<v Speaker 2>He asked, how many times are you gonna shoot me,

557
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.640
<v Speaker 2>and she said none. He also asked how many police

558
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:33.039
<v Speaker 2>would be there, and she said none. Dad wanted her

559
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.319
<v Speaker 2>to meet him at a different location, but she wouldn't

560
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.319
<v Speaker 2>do it. She told the police that her father left

561
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:42.599
<v Speaker 2>the house a little after one am that night, and

562
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.200
<v Speaker 2>he told Barbara that he would be back within a

563
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.759
<v Speaker 2>half hour, and she said at the time, I begged

564
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:52.440
<v Speaker 2>him not to go, but he went anyway. Billy had

565
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.519
<v Speaker 2>to be rushed into surgery because his condition was critical.

566
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>The surgeons went in to remove the two bullets that

567
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.440
<v Speaker 2>were lodged into his body and so defense Billy gave

568
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 2>the police officers the run around before He later admitted

569
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>that he threatened to kill her before she shot him,

570
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and the charges were eventually dropped. So he did threaten

571
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:12.519
<v Speaker 2>to kill her.

572
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:16.599
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, fuck around and find out I guess exactly,

573
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.719
<v Speaker 3>get a couple of bullets in your body.

574
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and nothn't like beating a woman, you know. Fuck.

575
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:28.159
<v Speaker 2>As I mentioned earlier, Billy and Betty were separated and

576
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>divorced at the time of the shooting, but they actually

577
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:32.320
<v Speaker 2>got remarried to one another.

578
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh geez ooh.

579
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Toxic relationship right. A trial actually took place for the

580
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:43.639
<v Speaker 2>attempted murder, and that's what rekindled their romance. Believes or not,

581
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe I love you, I love you, I love you baby.

582
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.800
<v Speaker 2>The second time around only lasted for about a month

583
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:56.920
<v Speaker 2>before getting divorced for a second time in nineteen seventy two.

584
00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess the second marriage was more of an annulment

585
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:03.559
<v Speaker 2>than divorce. Betty wasn't really one to stay single for

586
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:07.320
<v Speaker 2>too long, so the following year, Betty began dating a

587
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:11.480
<v Speaker 2>man named Ronnie Threllcold, who was a pretty heavy drinker.

588
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.400
<v Speaker 2>After four years of dating, the couple finally became husband

589
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.840
<v Speaker 2>and wife in nineteen seventy eight. Ronnie's way of life

590
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 2>really didn't jive with what Betty wanted out of a husband.

591
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 2>The marriage didn't last long at all, and this was

592
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.760
<v Speaker 2>because Betty tried to run him over with her car.

593
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.400
<v Speaker 2>That'll do it. So they separated after that, and they

594
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 2>were only married for a year. Alexa, please play another

595
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:42.760
<v Speaker 2>one bites the dust. Ronnie was Betty's third husband for

596
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the listeners who are keeping count, and he would be

597
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>the final man to leave a marriage to Betty with

598
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:52.360
<v Speaker 2>his heart still beating. Oh ooh, here it comes. Betty

599
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.679
<v Speaker 2>had a pretty rough year on her own and she

600
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:59.039
<v Speaker 2>was actually arrested for public indecency or lewdness. She was

601
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.519
<v Speaker 2>working at a topless at the time and she spent

602
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 2>thirty days behind bars for this offense. So once again,

603
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Betty wasted no time moving on and in the same

604
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.119
<v Speaker 2>year she divorced Ronnie. She married her fourth husband, whose

605
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>name was Doyle Wayne Baker. In nineteen seventy nine, about

606
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>two years into the marriage, Doyle was shot and killed.

607
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Betty killed her fourth husband and buried his body in

608
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>her own yard. Oh shit. Betty did what she could

609
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 2>to keep up with the facade of the abandoned wife,

610
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:33.639
<v Speaker 2>and she went as far as telling all of her

611
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:36.599
<v Speaker 2>friend's family and neighbors that she and Doyle got into

612
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:40.599
<v Speaker 2>a pretty heated argument and after the argument, Doyle took

613
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:43.440
<v Speaker 2>off while also leaving his vehicle behind at the house,

614
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.320
<v Speaker 2>because that's what she'd do.

615
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Because you're gonna storm off on foot.

616
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm leaving and I'm gonna leave my car and disappear. Yes,

617
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:56.000
<v Speaker 2>never to be heard from ever. Yeah, that didn't add

618
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.280
<v Speaker 2>up at all. Did he walk away or hitchhike or

619
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:04.119
<v Speaker 2>get away from her? Unfortunately everyone believed her story because

620
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>the couple were always fighting with each other. His disappearance

621
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.239
<v Speaker 2>was in October of nineteen eighty one. I've said it before.

622
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:14.920
<v Speaker 2>The eighties was a time to get away with shit,

623
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>all the shit you could possibly get away with. The

624
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 2>late seventies early eighties, there was no technology. They were

625
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.719
<v Speaker 2>taking swabs that they wouldn't be able to test for

626
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:28.800
<v Speaker 2>another twenty five years exactly. His disappearance was in October

627
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:31.840
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen eighty one, and his body was later found

628
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:35.639
<v Speaker 2>on Betty's property. Betty's daughter later stated that she had

629
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.079
<v Speaker 2>helped her mother bury his body. Even though the bullets

630
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.559
<v Speaker 2>matched a gun that Betty owned. She was never tried

631
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:46.920
<v Speaker 2>for his murder. Wow, m h two years after shooting

632
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 2>what was that?

633
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:49.639
<v Speaker 3>I said? That's crazy?

634
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.239
<v Speaker 2>It really is. Two years after shooting and killing Doyle.

635
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:58.800
<v Speaker 2>She married a retired fireman named Jimmy Don Beats, and

636
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.760
<v Speaker 2>he would be her last husband. Two years into their marriage, though,

637
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.719
<v Speaker 2>Betty called the police and reported Jimmy missing on August sixth,

638
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two. According to Betty, he disappeared from their

639
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 2>home located in Henderson County, Texas near the Cedar Creek Lake.

640
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy was a fisherman, so when Betty called the police,

641
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:20.559
<v Speaker 2>she told the cops that he had disappeared while out

642
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.440
<v Speaker 2>on his boat. According to her, he should have been home,

643
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.760
<v Speaker 2>but he was just never came back. Unfortunately, Jimmy's boat

644
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.559
<v Speaker 2>was found six days later near the Redwood Beach Marina,

645
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:35.000
<v Speaker 2>which is only about fourteen miles from the home they shared.

646
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:39.800
<v Speaker 2>On the boat, the police found nitroglycerin, tablets and his

647
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:45.360
<v Speaker 2>life best along with his fishing license eerie. So, around

648
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.000
<v Speaker 2>ten pm on August sixth, nineteen eighty three, several people

649
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.760
<v Speaker 2>at the Redwood Beach Marina saw Jimmy's empty boat floating

650
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 2>out on the lake. Two people volunteered to go retrieve

651
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:58.199
<v Speaker 2>the empty boat and they were able to bring it

652
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 2>to shore. The boat was served and that's when the

653
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:05.239
<v Speaker 2>license with the name Jimmy Don Beats was found. The

654
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Coastguard was called along with the Parks and Wildlife Service,

655
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.440
<v Speaker 2>and authorities came to the marina for further investigation. The

656
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.199
<v Speaker 2>owner of the marina looked up Jimmy's name in the

657
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.400
<v Speaker 2>phone book to see if they could get in touch

658
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.199
<v Speaker 2>with anyone to notify them about the boat. Jimmy's number

659
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 2>was listed and the owner finally called the phone number

660
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:29.039
<v Speaker 2>multiple times. Finally Betty answered the phone and she was

661
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 2>notified that her husband's fishing boat was found, along with

662
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.880
<v Speaker 2>his license. Betty went down to the marina and identified

663
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:39.239
<v Speaker 2>everything to be her husband's, and she pretended to be

664
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:42.519
<v Speaker 2>worried about his safety due to the high Wednesday that night,

665
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.199
<v Speaker 2>a search was conducted for Jimmy's body in the lake.

666
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:49.079
<v Speaker 2>The following morning, Oh my gosh, what.

667
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.920
<v Speaker 3>What he's missing? Oh my god, you found his boat?

668
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:52.400
<v Speaker 3>What in the net?

669
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, did you find those? I'm not sure.

670
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.639
<v Speaker 2>I thought I thought I saw them have the pills.

671
00:39:58.679 --> 00:39:59.880
<v Speaker 2>How stupid they lie?

672
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:01.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

673
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.840
<v Speaker 2>The following morning, authorities went back to Jimmy and Betty's

674
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.519
<v Speaker 2>home to see if he had come back home after

675
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.920
<v Speaker 2>being reported missing, and Betty told them that her husband

676
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 2>went out fishing the previous night and he had been

677
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 2>experiencing problems with his boat. The deputy sheriff for Henderson

678
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.199
<v Speaker 2>County told Betty that Jimmy's body would likely be found

679
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:24.320
<v Speaker 2>by another person out on the lake since there would

680
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:28.519
<v Speaker 2>be scheduled speedboat races taking place later that day. When

681
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:32.599
<v Speaker 2>nobody stumbled across Jimmy's body, many people came together to

682
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:36.039
<v Speaker 2>search for Jimmy, and these groups included people from the

683
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Coast Guard, the City of Dallas Fire Department. Since Jimmy

684
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:43.599
<v Speaker 2>had been a fireman for almost twenty six years and

685
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:47.239
<v Speaker 2>the search went on for three weeks, no luck. Now,

686
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:49.840
<v Speaker 2>the chaplain of the fire department went over to Betty's

687
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:54.360
<v Speaker 2>house to talk to her about after death benefit if

688
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:58.760
<v Speaker 2>they did find Jimmy deceased. She asked if she would

689
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>be taken care of what thems that came along with

690
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 2>being the wife of a firefighter. The chaplain told Betty

691
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.280
<v Speaker 2>that he would check to see if she was covered

692
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 2>and he would report back to her as soon as possible. Now,

693
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.280
<v Speaker 2>after some digging, it was discovered that there was a

694
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:17.360
<v Speaker 2>life insurance policy worth one hundred and ten thousand dollars

695
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:20.679
<v Speaker 2>and Betty would be able to receive twelve hundred a

696
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 2>month from Jimmy's pension with the Fire department, and that

697
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.920
<v Speaker 2>monthly amount is worth about thirty eight hundred a month today.

698
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.800
<v Speaker 2>So Betty, she was pretty stunned after she found out

699
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:35.679
<v Speaker 2>that if Jimmy's body was never found, there would be

700
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:39.880
<v Speaker 2>a seven year long waiting period before any insurance moneys

701
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:40.920
<v Speaker 2>were paid out to her.

702
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:42.760
<v Speaker 3>So let me guess his body.

703
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.360
<v Speaker 2>His body. The case seemed to have gone cold for

704
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:51.679
<v Speaker 2>about two years until the spring of nineteen eighty five,

705
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:56.400
<v Speaker 2>when a credible confidential informant told the Henderson County Sheriff's

706
00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:00.320
<v Speaker 2>office that they had some information into Jimmy's disappear prints.

707
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.320
<v Speaker 2>The informant alleged that there had been foul play and

708
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:08.639
<v Speaker 2>that Jimmy was no longer alive. The investigators on Jimmy's

709
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:13.119
<v Speaker 2>case chose to talk to Betty's son, Robbie Branson, from

710
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 2>her first marriage, and when the detective spoke to Robert,

711
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 2>he had a lot to say, and what he did

712
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:23.320
<v Speaker 2>say was incredibly crucial to the case. He told the

713
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:27.760
<v Speaker 2>authorities that his mother actually confided in him. But this

714
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.800
<v Speaker 2>was not a run of the mill confession, she told

715
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.639
<v Speaker 2>her son in confidence that she was planning on killing Jimmy.

716
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:38.039
<v Speaker 2>When she was going to carry the murder out, she

717
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.519
<v Speaker 2>told her son that he wasn't allowed to be in

718
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:43.480
<v Speaker 2>the house when she did kill him. Robert did as

719
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 2>he was told and he left the house. When he

720
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 2>returned home, he came home to find Jimmy dead and

721
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.400
<v Speaker 2>he had two bullet holes in him. He later testified.

722
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.400
<v Speaker 2>She said she wanted me to leave and she didn't

723
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.800
<v Speaker 2>want me to be around when she shot and killed him,

724
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.079
<v Speaker 2>and he was out of the house for about two

725
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:04.639
<v Speaker 2>hours that day. What's even more crazy is that Robert

726
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:07.559
<v Speaker 2>also helped his mother get rid of Jimmy's dead body.

727
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Two of them hoisted his body over the opening of

728
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:14.079
<v Speaker 2>an ornamental wishing well that was in the front yard

729
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 2>of the house. Oh my gosh, right there.

730
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:23.079
<v Speaker 3>I know nobody wants to look down the fucking well.

731
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. The satisfact about how his body was wrapped

732
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.159
<v Speaker 2>into the well was that Betty asked Jimmy to build

733
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:34.920
<v Speaker 2>the wishing well to make the yard look better, so

734
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.000
<v Speaker 2>she's dumping him in the well he built for her.

735
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 2>Poor guy, he had no clue that he was building it.

736
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 2>He was building his own burial place until his body

737
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 2>was eventually found. Robbie had actually helped Jimmy build this

738
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:51.760
<v Speaker 2>so oh my goodness, oh man, so its stepson helps

739
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.800
<v Speaker 2>him build this thing for his mother, the Jimmy's wife.

740
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.599
<v Speaker 2>After his body was placed, Betty planted flowers over the

741
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>grave to conceal everything. His body was placed in a

742
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.880
<v Speaker 2>sleeping bag before it was buried for the next two years,

743
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:09.960
<v Speaker 2>and Robbie was only nineteen at the time he helped

744
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 2>his mother hide her last victim. Betty obviously had thought

745
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>through every step of this murder, and with all that

746
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:22.880
<v Speaker 2>we just said, she definitely premeditated the entire thing. Before

747
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.440
<v Speaker 2>carrying out the murder, she had taken out a life

748
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:29.280
<v Speaker 2>insurance policy the hundred ten thousand. But this was all

749
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 2>without Jimmy's knowledge. After the murder was completed, Betty and

750
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:37.159
<v Speaker 2>her son went to plant evidence on Jimmy's boat. Betty

751
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>planted the nitro glacering tablets in his life jacket. I'm sorry, Betty,

752
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>that's about the dumbest thing. How accessible is nitro glycerin

753
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:49.800
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty four, You know what I'm saying. I

754
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:51.599
<v Speaker 2>don't even get I think people.

755
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.679
<v Speaker 3>Used to take it for her conditions or something.

756
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh you know what, I'm getting confused with folks do

757
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:01.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm like these stupid people. I think you of Syan

758
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:09.119
<v Speaker 2>night Dample. I'm like, Betty, how available are these tablets?

759
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Okay, that totally I have a clearer vision, Thank you, Tony.

760
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Betty planted that I drove gloss round tablets in his

761
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.400
<v Speaker 2>life jacket, and Robbie removed the propeller from the boat

762
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 2>so that it would just float aimlessly. He then testified

763
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:26.880
<v Speaker 2>that he took the boat out into the middle of

764
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 2>the lake before he abandoned it, and then he went

765
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.800
<v Speaker 2>back to meet his mother. They both returned back home

766
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.559
<v Speaker 2>as if nothing happened. After the confidential informant talked to

767
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:41.559
<v Speaker 2>investigators about foul play being behind Jimmy's disappearance, Betty was

768
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>arrested for Jimmy's murder on June eighth, nineteen eighty five,

769
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 2>and she was booked at the Hunderson County Jail. A

770
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.559
<v Speaker 2>search werer't was then obtained and a search of Betty's

771
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:56.800
<v Speaker 2>property was carried out for the home and the surrounding premises.

772
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.480
<v Speaker 2>So during the search, Jimmy's body was found in the well,

773
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.199
<v Speaker 2>and the remains of Doyle Wayne Barker were also found

774
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:09.400
<v Speaker 2>in a different area on the premises. Doyle's body was

775
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.280
<v Speaker 2>located buried under a storage shed in the backyard of

776
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.960
<v Speaker 2>the house. Both bodies were then taken to the Dallas

777
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Forensic Science Lab where they were formerly identified. Two bullets

778
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.320
<v Speaker 2>were recovered from Jimmy's body and a pistol words recovered

779
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.920
<v Speaker 2>from Betty's house previously, but this could have been the

780
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:34.320
<v Speaker 2>gun used in shooting Billy years prior. The records don't specify.

781
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Betty was charged with the murder of Doyle, but sadly

782
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.920
<v Speaker 2>she was never tried. But don't worry, she gets hers

783
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 2>on the end. So throughout the trial that took place

784
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:48.719
<v Speaker 2>on the fall of nineteen eighty five, Robbie was actually

785
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:52.840
<v Speaker 2>accused of being the actual killer of his stepfather, Jimmy Beets.

786
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Robbie did admit that he participated in getting rid of

787
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy's body, and the only person he ever told was

788
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.719
<v Speaker 2>his common law wife at the time. She never took

789
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:06.880
<v Speaker 2>the stand to testify. Robbie stayed silent otherwise for two years,

790
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.239
<v Speaker 2>and he told the court that he only did this

791
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.519
<v Speaker 2>to protect his mother. After his mother was arrested, he

792
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:16.360
<v Speaker 2>had no other choice than to fully cooperate with the investigators.

793
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 2>When he was asked about his mother's former husband, Doyle,

794
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:23.199
<v Speaker 2>he told the court that he did know of him

795
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and he had only seen him once. Robbie didn't live

796
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.880
<v Speaker 2>with his mother when she was married to Doyle. So

797
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Betty's daughter also testified for the prosecution, and she told

798
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.679
<v Speaker 2>the court that she was called by her mother on

799
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 2>the night of Jimmy's murder. Her mother had called her

800
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:42.119
<v Speaker 2>to ask if her daughter could come over to her house,

801
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.320
<v Speaker 2>and she agreed. While on the phone with her mother,

802
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:48.840
<v Speaker 2>surely asked if she had done anything like she said

803
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 2>she would do in a previous conversation. During this previous conversation,

804
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Betty was on the phone screaming that she was going

805
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.920
<v Speaker 2>to kill Jimmy and place his body on his boat,

806
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.559
<v Speaker 2>take the boat out, and Robbie would drop his body

807
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and the lake to make it look like Jimmy accidentally drowned.

808
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 3>Wow, she really had your whole plan right there, all.

809
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Thing, Canary thing. Honestly, those are excellent bullet point. I mean,

810
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:21.480
<v Speaker 2>just told you how it laid out right.

811
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.800
<v Speaker 3>There, exactly and that's exactly what happened.

812
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, surely so. After Shirley asked her mother if

813
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.760
<v Speaker 2>she had followed through on the night of his murder,

814
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Betty replied that she had surely got all the way

815
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 2>to her mother's house for Betty to tell her that

816
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 2>she was no longer needed and everything had been taken

817
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.079
<v Speaker 2>care of. Shirley went back home as if her mother

818
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:48.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't just kill her husband and got rid of his body.

819
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.280
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm out of here, pe tomorrow, Mama, Yeah,

820
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I'll call you later. A few weeks later, Shirley was

821
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.440
<v Speaker 2>told by her mother that she and Robbie buryed Jimmy

822
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:00.920
<v Speaker 2>in the Wishing Mound. She also told the court that

823
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 2>her mother never admitted that she killed him for any

824
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:07.800
<v Speaker 2>insurance money. After Shirley was finished testifying for the prosecution

825
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.800
<v Speaker 2>on Jimmy's murder, the judge held a hearing in which

826
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Shirley testified about her mother and Doyle. Betty filed a

827
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.480
<v Speaker 2>motion to have all of her previous offenses thrown out

828
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:21.800
<v Speaker 2>in regard to Doyle's death, but the judge overruled the motion.

829
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Shirley remained on the stand to testify about Doyle's death

830
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:29.559
<v Speaker 2>and disappearance in October of nineteen eighty one. Betty and

831
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Doyle were married and living in the same home. One night,

832
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:35.840
<v Speaker 2>while Shirley and her mother were sitting outside around a campfire,

833
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Betty told her daughter that she was going to kill Doyle.

834
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:42.679
<v Speaker 2>She really was really candid with her kids, you know,

835
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:46.920
<v Speaker 2>just the comfortableness that just let me just tell you

836
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:47.719
<v Speaker 2>how I'm feeling.

837
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:48.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna kill Doyle.

838
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna kill Doyle. You want to be here, I'm

839
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:56.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna kill Doyle. So when Shirley asked her mother why

840
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.880
<v Speaker 2>she wanted to kill him, Betty told her that she

841
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.079
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to put up with any more of his beating.

842
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Well that makes I can see this, so what but

843
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.480
<v Speaker 2>this also you can leave. You know what I'm saying.

844
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.360
<v Speaker 2>If you're also planning, I've been in that situation, so

845
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to tell. But it's going to end

846
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:16.320
<v Speaker 2>in killing someone. That's either way, you lose. You know

847
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:19.760
<v Speaker 2>you're a loser. So the house was in Doyle's name,

848
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.639
<v Speaker 2>but Betty was a co signer, so if they were

849
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:26.239
<v Speaker 2>to get divorced, Doyle would have gotten to keep the house,

850
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:29.559
<v Speaker 2>and that didn't apply with Betty about Four days later,

851
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Betty met Shirley at her house and Betty told her

852
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:36.400
<v Speaker 2>that she had killed Doyle. She waited until Doyle was

853
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.239
<v Speaker 2>asleep and went out to get her gun and covered

854
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.559
<v Speaker 2>the barrel of it with a pillow. When when she

855
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 2>went to pull the trigger, the gun didn't go off.

856
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.599
<v Speaker 2>Betty was scared in that instance, and she was afraid

857
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.519
<v Speaker 2>that he was going to wake up, so she quickly

858
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.599
<v Speaker 2>gathered herself, cocked the gun for a second time, and

859
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.039
<v Speaker 2>pulled the trigger. He was shot in the head and

860
00:50:56.119 --> 00:51:00.199
<v Speaker 2>killed instantly. Surely then testified that she helped him other

861
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:03.400
<v Speaker 2>get rid of Doyle's body. They both dragged his body

862
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 2>from inside the house and they placed his body inside

863
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 2>inside a pre dug hole. The scream prebeditated like nothing

864
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.000
<v Speaker 2>screams that like the pre dug hole. Now, this hole

865
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.199
<v Speaker 2>had been dug for a barbecue pit, but Betty had

866
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.480
<v Speaker 2>other plans. Following day, Betty went out and purchased some

867
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:26.320
<v Speaker 2>cinderblocks and built a patio over the hole to cover

868
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Dennis's Well, that's a Freudian slip a name.

869
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:37.400
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, he's his asses and under the patio.

870
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Shit, I know. That just tells on me okay, So

871
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:46.079
<v Speaker 2>she built a patio over the hole to cover Doyle's remains.

872
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:50.320
<v Speaker 2>This patio was a cement base to house the storage

873
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.079
<v Speaker 2>shed that she would put on top.

874
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:53.480
<v Speaker 3>I see. Yeah.

875
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:56.679
<v Speaker 2>So, while she was cross examined, Surely admitted that she

876
00:51:56.840 --> 00:52:00.719
<v Speaker 2>was charged alongside her mother for the murder of Joe Barker,

877
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.719
<v Speaker 2>and her one million dollar bond was reduced to five

878
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:08.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand in exchange for her testimony against her mother, but

879
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:12.320
<v Speaker 2>she was never promised anything from the prosecution. There was

880
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.679
<v Speaker 2>no record of Betty killing Doyle for any financial benefit,

881
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:19.480
<v Speaker 2>nor did she admit anything of that sort to Shirley.

882
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:24.400
<v Speaker 2>The medical examiner was then called to testify and doctor

883
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Charles Petty talked about the two skeletons that were recovered

884
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>from Betty's property. He determined that the cause of Jimmy's

885
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.280
<v Speaker 2>death was two gunshot wounds, one in his skull and

886
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.840
<v Speaker 2>the other was found within the trunk area. Both bullets

887
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.960
<v Speaker 2>were shot from the same weapon, but he was unable

888
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:46.039
<v Speaker 2>to determine which gun fired them. Three bullets were retrieved

889
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:50.079
<v Speaker 2>from Doyle's body, and obviously his cause of death was

890
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:54.639
<v Speaker 2>determined to be from gunshot wounds. Nothing else was specifically noted.

891
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:59.440
<v Speaker 2>A firearms examiner testified that the bullets were fired from

892
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:01.679
<v Speaker 2>a thirty eight kid hell of her weapon, and this

893
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 2>was the same caliber of the gun sees from Betty's

894
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:08.199
<v Speaker 2>house when they searched the place, he was still nonetheless

895
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:12.360
<v Speaker 2>able to determine if the bullets came from that specific gun.

896
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:16.400
<v Speaker 2>One of Jimmy's nieces, who worked for JC Penny Life

897
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Insurance Company, testified that her uncle, Jimmy personally came in

898
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:25.360
<v Speaker 2>to cancel a life insurance policy that was worth ten

899
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:29.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars on May nineteenth, nineteen eighty three, and he

900
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.840
<v Speaker 2>canceled this because it had been done without his knowledge.

901
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he only found out when he found the

902
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:40.039
<v Speaker 2>bill in the house. The thing that was odd about

903
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:44.280
<v Speaker 2>this was the fact that their address wasn't on the application.

904
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 2>It was the address of one of Betty's daughters, So

905
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Betty was having the bill sent to oh yeah, well

906
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:58.039
<v Speaker 2>girls's house, so Jimmy wouldn't be the wiser. Now, Betty

907
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:01.719
<v Speaker 2>was the sole beneficiary, and she signed Jimmy's name and

908
00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:04.920
<v Speaker 2>returned it with the monthly payment. There was also another

909
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.199
<v Speaker 2>life insurance policy with the City of Dallas that was

910
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:12.719
<v Speaker 2>worth eighty six thousand, with Betty named as the sole beneficiary,

911
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:16.880
<v Speaker 2>and an employee at the insurance company testified to that.

912
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:22.039
<v Speaker 2>A documents examiner also testified that he had been employed

913
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.480
<v Speaker 2>by the Secret Service for over two decades, but he

914
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.360
<v Speaker 2>had been working as a document's examiner at the time

915
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.440
<v Speaker 2>of his testimony in this trial. He testified that the

916
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:35.159
<v Speaker 2>signature on the JC Penny application was signed by Betty

917
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and that the signature for the cancelation was signed by Jimmy.

918
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Betty also sold Jimmy's vote roughly one year after he

919
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 2>was reported missing, and the bill of sale was signed

920
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:52.119
<v Speaker 2>with Jimmy's name but by Betty. Those two signatures were

921
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:53.239
<v Speaker 2>a perfect match.

922
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:54.280
<v Speaker 3>Dumb ass.

923
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:58.360
<v Speaker 2>According to reports, Betty got drunk one night and bragged

924
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:01.239
<v Speaker 2>about the two murders to a new boyfriend at the time.

925
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:05.199
<v Speaker 2>So I have a hard time believing that he wasn't

926
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:08.519
<v Speaker 2>the confidential informant who called in the tip to the

927
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Henderson County Sheriff's office night, right. Yeah. So, after the

928
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:18.480
<v Speaker 2>jury deliberated, Betty was found guilty of capital murder for

929
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:21.480
<v Speaker 2>the murder of Jimmy Beats And even though she was

930
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:25.039
<v Speaker 2>never tried for the murder of Doyle Barker. She was

931
00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:29.119
<v Speaker 2>sentenced to death by Lethland injection, which was carried out

932
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 2>in February of two thousand and she died by lethaland

933
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:35.920
<v Speaker 2>injection sixty two years old.

934
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:43.119
<v Speaker 4>Damn, wow, that is I would love, you know, in

935
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:46.239
<v Speaker 4>a different world, on a different plane, if she could

936
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:49.119
<v Speaker 4>have produced a memoir, I would have read it.

937
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:51.159
<v Speaker 2>I would read this woman's life.

938
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:53.559
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying, like, yeah, she's got some

939
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:54.440
<v Speaker 3>shit to tell.

940
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, Like how do you come to like the decisions

941
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.639
<v Speaker 2>we make all Like what what's that? What's the fuel

942
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.239
<v Speaker 2>that makes our decisions? You know, she feels threatened and

943
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:11.039
<v Speaker 2>she's getting beat and then she's planning. You know, she

944
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:14.360
<v Speaker 2>has a hole already, dug. The woman's a planner.

945
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:18.559
<v Speaker 3>You know. She's like, oh, yeah, his little lass is

946
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:19.760
<v Speaker 3>gonna end up in that hole.

947
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I've already done it before. And I go,

948
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:26.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, my relationships are with people who I said, oh,

949
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:29.800
<v Speaker 2>he got pissed and left and this is he's done

950
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.639
<v Speaker 2>this before, Like I won't even blink and I you

951
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:37.039
<v Speaker 2>guys are toxic. I'm not surprised. You know, plan on

952
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:43.480
<v Speaker 2>people's emotions like that. Now, my pleasure, my pleasure. I

953
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:49.079
<v Speaker 2>love bringing you these stories even it's interesting. I love human.

954
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:51.119
<v Speaker 2>What word am I looking for?

955
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:51.840
<v Speaker 3>The human?

956
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Conscious? The human? What makes humans tick? I do love it?

957
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.760
<v Speaker 3>So you know, that's the fascinating part of true crime

958
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:00.960
<v Speaker 3>for me, Like it's.

959
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Like why do these people do this stuff?

960
00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:07.320
<v Speaker 3>Like you know, like there's stories we've done where it's

961
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.480
<v Speaker 3>like mob mentality where like a bunch of kids will

962
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:11.440
<v Speaker 3>get together.

963
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:14.360
<v Speaker 2>And kill like another kid or something, and right, you.

964
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:18.760
<v Speaker 3>Know it's wrong and whatever. And then you know, husbands

965
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.719
<v Speaker 3>kill wives and wives kill husbands.

966
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:24.000
<v Speaker 2>And whole crimes of passion.

967
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Like we've done, like kids kill their whole family just

968
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.000
<v Speaker 3>for stupid reasons. It's like I would I wish I

969
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:32.119
<v Speaker 3>could like.

970
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Hear the thought process something, Yes exactly, I mean just

971
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:41.159
<v Speaker 2>pop in your brain. What's going on here? Totally fascinating.

972
00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:43.000
<v Speaker 2>So yes, my pleasure, my friend.

973
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no problems, So everyone, if you could hit subscribe

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975
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:55.880
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982
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984
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:34.719
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985
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:37.880
<v Speaker 3>can't get enough, you might ask you that we probably

986
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:42.199
<v Speaker 3>have over two hundred now, or roughly about that two

987
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:46.079
<v Speaker 3>hundred episodes. There's Shannon and I, and there's lots and

988
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:47.119
<v Speaker 3>lots of Tilly and I.

989
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:49.559
<v Speaker 2>So lots of flavors that choose from.

990
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, lots of so.

991
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.599
<v Speaker 2>I like to consider myself chocolate, So if you want chocolate,

992
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:56.599
<v Speaker 2>that would be me.

993
00:58:56.679 --> 00:59:02.880
<v Speaker 3>And I guess they're like strawberry or maybe like Jacky

994
00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:04.159
<v Speaker 3>Road or something. I don't know.

995
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I like it. I love the sweep. All right, all right, Fannie,

996
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:10.559
<v Speaker 2>you have a great week. I love you. I missed

997
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:11.800
<v Speaker 2>you on until next time.

998
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:14.559
<v Speaker 3>Until next time, we will see you all.

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<v Speaker 4>Bye.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi guys,