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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Mind Over Murder podcast.

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Speaker 2: My name is Bill Thomas. I'm a writer, consulting, producer,

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and now podcaster. I am now trying to use my

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experience as the brother of a murder victim to help

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other victims of violent crime. I'm working on a book

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on the unsolved Colonial Parkway murders, and I'm the co

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administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together with

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Kristin Dilly.

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Speaker 3: My name is Kristin Dilly. I'm a writer, a researcher,

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a teacher, and a victim's advocate, as well as the

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social media manager and co administrator for the Colonial Parkway

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Murders Facebook page with my partner in crime, Bill Thomas.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to mind Over Murder. I'm Kristin Dilly.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Bill Thomas.

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Speaker 4: We are in the thick of spooky season. It is

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October the eighteenth. The leaves are falling rapidly over here.

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Things are starting to look a little spooky out there. Bill,

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how's it looking up there in Connecticut?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, up here in Chili, New England, leaves

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are falling. Every time I look out the window, I

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see more leaves coming down and It makes me think

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of a falls, past, present, and future. I like autumn.

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Speaker 4: I like autumn too. I like autumn because Halloween is

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my favorite season. And I like it now that it's

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getting colder. And I like it because now there are

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no more bugs. Bugs have gone back to the hell

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where they belong.

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Speaker 2: Not a big fan of bugs, are you?

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Speaker 4: Yep?

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Speaker 2: Well, I know you can get out there in the

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hot and sweaty and mow your on lawn as do I.

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Your lawn is bigger than mine. We've probably got one

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more lawn mowing project, which is also one mowing slash

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leaf mulching.

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Speaker 4: I would imagine maybe once more here. And another reason

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I don't like bugs is because I got stung by

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a bee the other day when I was out mowing

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my lawn. And so forget that bug, man. That was terrible.

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I like getting stung by things, and that was a

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bug and it stung me, So forget it. I'm not

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happy with.

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Speaker 2: Bugs, completely understood. I'm looking forward to Halloween, which is

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two weeks away. And up here in our little town

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they block off our street. Our street is the one

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with all of the cool old houses on it, and

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ours is one of those cool old houses eighteen eighty

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Queen Anne Victorian and people have said, oh, this would

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make a great haunted house, but we never really wanted

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to scare the little kids or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: So like from eighteen eighty, are you sure you don't

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have a ghost in that house? Bill? I mean, are

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you sure you don't have a ghost in that house?

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Speaker 2: Our previous house, we did have a ghostly type event

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that took place. I don't think I've ever told you

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that story. So this is twenty five years ago. My

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ex wife and I I bought another old eighteen fifty

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little farmhouse on the way on the outskirts of town.

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It's actually like ten miles from here. It's still within

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the same town, but that house was way out all

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kind of by. It's lonesome on a country road. Early

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on when we bought that house, we did have a

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very strange thing occur. Valerie, my ex wife, and I

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were up there. This is before our son Christopher was born.

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So it's the two of us and our cat, Pumpkin,

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very seasonally appropriate cat, I might add, and a really

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is an all great cat that was in the fall

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that first year that we bought the house. It's a

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little country farmhouse, and we're up on the second floor,

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kind of under the eaves. There were two bedrooms and

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a bathroom upstairs. We're in bed and it's dark, you

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could still see because there was moonlight Outsideuddenly, from downstairs

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there was the loudest crash you've ever heard in your life.

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The entire little house shook.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And we both sat bolt up in bed and said

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something to the effect of what was that. Our cat

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came running up the stairs and jumped in bed with us, like, ooh,

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I don't know what that was, but it was spooky.

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So Pumpkins there trying to borrow under the covers, like

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trying to hide from whatever it is. Of course, me

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being the husband, I get sent downstairs to check it out.

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So I make my way downstairs, fully expecting to see

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a massive bookcase has fallen over, or a piece of

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furniture has somehow crashed to the floor, or a car

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has hit the house or whatever. Because it was so

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and we couldn't figure out what might have made this noise,

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I figured I'm gonna come downstairs and there's going to

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be some sort of pretty serious destruction that would have

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made a sound that loud, that would have shaken us

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and the house. I get down stairs. I get downstairs.

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Down at the bottom of the stairs is the dining room.

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And I walked through the dining room, the living room.

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There's a sitting room and a kitchen, and everything kind

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of goes around in a little bit of a square.

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I make my way from room to room, four rooms.

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I get to the end of the circle, and now

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I'm back in the dining room where I started. Nothing

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is out of the ordinary, nothing whatsoever. I went outside

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to see what created this phenomenal, crashing, thunderous sound. Nothing.

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I go downstairs in the basement. Nothing. I make my

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way back upstairs, and valeriees like, what was it? And

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I said, I don't know. So we read about how

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sometimes these old houses, and this house had been there

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for a couple hundred years and it was part of

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a larger complex of an estate called Seven Brooks. In

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our house would have been one of the caretaker's houses.

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We read that sometimes when new people acquire a property,

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they will disturb the spirits who live there in that home. Wow,

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since we could not find any physical manifestation of what

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had happened, I mean, this just incredible noise. I really

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thought something gigantic had fallen over or something, and there

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was nothing. So Valerie was the more spiritual of the two,

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and Pamela, my partner now, is much more spiritual than

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I am. She did some research about this and that

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was one of the things that she came up with,

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was this kind of disturbance. So we talked about it,

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and then she read about what they recommended that you do,

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which is that someone should walk quietly around the house

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and talk to the house, and you're basically talking to

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the spirit. So whin habit this old house and explain

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to them who you are and that you mean no

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harm and that you intend to take good care of

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the house. And I was a bit skeptical, but I

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have to say that Valerie took this step and she

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went around and very earnestly explained our good intentions towards

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the house. All I can say is it must have worked,

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because we never had another strange occurrence like that. Wow,

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I don't know, Okay, maybe there's something to it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's really cool, so you're not quite haunted house

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that you still had a brush with the supernatural.

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Speaker 2: And it was around this time of year we closed

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in September, so it was probably October when this all

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took place.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what sort of the spooky story have you

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chosen for us?

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Speaker 4: We are reading the American literature classic tale of terror,

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The Monkeys Paw by W. W. Jacobs, and the best

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admonition that I can give as we go into this

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is be careful what you wish for.

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Speaker 2: I remember this story well, and I look forward to

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reading it, and I hope everybody enjoys it with us.

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Speaker 4: Yes, without further ado, The Monkeys Paw, Part one. Outside,

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the night was cold and wet, but in the small

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living room, the curtains were closed and the fire burned brightly.

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Father and son were plain chest the father, whose ideas

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about the game involved some very unusual moves, putting his

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king into such sharp and unnecessary danger that it even

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brought comment from the white haired old lady knitting quietly

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by the fire. Listen to the wind, said mister white, who,

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having seen a mistake that could cost him the game

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after it was too late, was trying to stop his

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son from seeing it. I'm listening, said the sun, seriously

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studying the board as he stretched out his hand check

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I should hardly think that he'll come tonight, said his father,

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with his hand held in the air over the board.

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Mate replied the son. That's the worst of living so

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far out, cried mister White, with sudden and unexpected violence.

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Of all the awful, out of the way places to

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live in, this is the worst. Can't walk on the

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footpath without getting stuck in the mud. The road's a river.

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I don't know what the people are thinking about. I

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suppose they think it doesn't matter because only two houses

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in the road have people on them. Never mind, dear,

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said his wife calmly. Perhaps she'll win the next one.

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Mister White looked up sharply, just in time to see

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a knowing look between mother and son. The words died

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away on his lips, and he hid a guilty smile

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in his thin gray beard. There he is, said Herbert White.

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As the gate banged shut loudly and heavy footsteps came

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toward the door. The old man rose quickly, and opening

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the door, was heard telling the new arrival how sorry

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he was for his recent loss. The new arrival talked

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about his sadness, so that missus White said and coughed

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gently as her husband entered the room, followed by a tall,

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heavy built, strong looking man whose skin had the healthy

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reddish color associated with outdoor life, and whose eyes showed

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that he could be a dangerous enemy. Sergeant Major Morris,

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he said, introducing him to his wife and his son, Herbert.

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The sergeant major shook hands and taking the offered seat

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by the fire, watched with satisfaction as mister White got

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out whiskey and glasses. After the third glass, his eyes

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got brighter and he began to talk. The little family

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circle listened with growing interest to this visitor from distant

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parts as he squared his broad shoulders in the chair

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and spoke of wild scenes and brave acts of wars

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and strange peoples, twenty one years of it, said mister White,

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looking at his wife and son. When he went away,

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he was a thin young man. Now look at.

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Speaker 2: Him, he doesn't look to have taken much harm, said

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missus White politely. I'd like to go to India, Mia myself,

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said the old man, just to look around a bit.

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You know better where you are, said the sergeant Major,

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shaking his head. He put down the empty glass and,

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sighing softly, shook it again. I would like to see

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those old temples and fakers and the street entertainers, said

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the old man. What was it that you started telling

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me the other day about a monkey's paw or something, Morris, Nothing,

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said the soldier quickly, at least nothing worth hearing monkey's paw,

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said missus White curiously. Well it's just a bit of

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what you might call magic, perhaps, said the sergeant major,

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without first stopping to think. His three listeners leaned forward excitedly.

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Deep in thought. The visitor put his empty glass to

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his lips and then set it down again. Mister White

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filled it up for him again to look at it,

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said the sergeant Major, feeling about in his pocket. It's

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just an ordinary little paw, dried to a mummy. He

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took something out of his pocket and he held it

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out for them. Missus White drew back with a look

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of disgust, but her son, taking it, examined it curiously.

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And what is there special about it? Asked mister White,

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as he took it from his son, and having examined it,

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placed it upon the table. It had a spell put

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on it by an old faker, said the sergeant Major,

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a very holy man. He wanted to show that fate

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ruled people's lives, and that those who tried to change

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it would be sorry. He put a spell on it

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so that three different men could each have three wishes

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from it. The way he told the story showed that

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he truly believed it, and his listeners became aware that

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their light laughter was out of place and had hurt

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him a little. Well, why don't you have three, sir,

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said Herbert cleverly. The soldier looked at him the way

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the middle aged usually look at disrespectful youth. I have,

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he said quietly, and his face whitened. And did you

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really have the three wishes granted? Asked missus White. I did,

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said the sergeant major, and his glass tapped against his

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strong teeth. And has anyone else wished? Continued the old lady.

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The first man had his three wishes? Yes, was the reply.

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I don't know who the first two were, but the

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third was for death. That's how I got the paw.

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His voice was so serious that the group fell quiet.

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Speaker 4: If you've had your three wishes, it's no good to

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you now, then, Morris, said the old man. At last,

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what do you keep it for? The soldier shook his head. Fancy,

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I suppose, he said slowly. I did have some idea

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of selling it, but I don't think I will. It

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has caused me enough trouble already. Besides, people won't buy.

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They think it's just a story. Some of them, and

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those who do think anything of it want to try

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it first and pay me afterward. If you could have

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another three wishes, said the old man, watching him carefully,

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would you have them? I don't know, said the other.

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I don't know. He took the paw, and, holding it

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between his front finger and thumb, suddenly threw it upon

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the fire. Mister White, with a slight cry, quickly bent

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down and took it off. Better let it burn, said

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the soldier, sadly, but in a way that let them

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know he believed it to be true. If you don't

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want it, Morris, said the other, give it to me.

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I won't, said his friend, with stubborn determination. I threw

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it on the fire. If you keep it, don't hold

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me responsible for what happens. Throw it on the fire

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like a sensible man. The other shook his head and

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examined his possession closely. How do you do it, he asked,

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Hold it up in your right hand and state your

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wish out loud so that you can be heard, said

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the Sergeant Major. But I warn you of what might happen.

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Sounds like the Arabian nights, said Missus White, as she

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rose and began to set the dinner. Don't you think

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you might wish for four pairs of hands for me?

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Her husband drew the talisman from his pocket, and all

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three laughed loudly as the Sergeant Major, with a look

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of alarm on his face, caught him by the arm.

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If you must wish, he demanded, wish for something sensible.

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Mister White dropped it back in his pocket, and, placing chairs,

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motioned his friend to the table. In the business of dinner,

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the talisman was partly forgotten, and afterward the three sat

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fascinated as they listened to more of the soldier's adventures

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in India. If the tale about the monkey's paw is

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not more truthful than those he's been telling us, said Herbert,

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as the door closed behind their guest, just in time

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to catch the last train. We shan't make much of it.

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Did you give him anything for it? Father asked Missus White,

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watching her husband closely. A little, said he, coloring slightly.

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He didn't want it, but I made him take it,

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and he pressed me again to throw it away. No, likely,

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said Herbert, with pretended horror. Why we're going to be

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rich and famous and happy? Smiling, he said, wish to

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be a king father to begin with. Then mother can't

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complain all the time.

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Speaker 2: He ran quickly around the table, chased by the laughing

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missus White, armed with a piece of cloth. Mister White

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took the paw from his pocket and eyed it doubtfully.

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I don't know what to wish for, and that's a fact,

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he said slowly. It seems to me that I've got

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all I want. If you only paid off the house,

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you'd be quite happy, wouldn't you, said Herbert, with his

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hand on his shoulder. Well for two hundred pounds, that'll

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just do it. His father, smiling with an embarrassed look

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for his foolishness in believing the soldier's story, held up

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the talisman. Herbert, with a serious face, spoiled only by

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a quick smile to his mother, sat down and struck

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a few grand cords. I wish for two hundred pounds,

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said the old man. Clearly, a fine crash from the

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piano greeted these words broken by a frightened cry from

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the old man. His wife and son ran toward him.

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It moved, He cried with a look of horror at

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the object as it lay on the floor. As I

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wished it twisted in my hand like a snake. Well,

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I don't see the money, said his son, as he

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picked it up and placed it on the table. And

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I bet I never shall. It must have been your imagination, father,

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said his wife, regarding him worriedly. He shook his hand,

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never mind, though there's no harm done, and gave me

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a shock. All the same, they sat down by the

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fire again while the two men finished their pipes. Outside,

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the wind was higher than ever, and the old man

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jumped nervously at the sound of the door banging upstairs.

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An unusual and depressing silence settled on all three, which

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lasted until the old couple got up to go to bed.

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I expect you'll find the cash tied up in a

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big bag in the middle of your bed, said Herbert

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as he wished them good night. And something horrible sitting

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on top of your wardrobe, watching you as you pocket

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your ill gotten money. Herbert, who normally had a playful

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nature and didn't like to take things too seriously. Sat

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alone in the darkness, looking into the dying fire. He

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saw faces in it, the last so horrible and so monkeylike,

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that he stared at it in amazement. It became so

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clear that, with a nervous laugh, he felt on the

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table for a glass containing some water to throw over it.

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His hand found the monkey's paw, and with a little

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shake of his body, he wiped his hand on his

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coat and went up to bed.

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Speaker 4: Art two. In the brightness of the wintry sun next morning,

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as it streamed over the breakfast table, he laughed at

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his fears. The room felt as it always had, and

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there was an air of health and happiness which was

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not there the previous night. The dirty, dried up little

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paw was thrown on the cabinet with a carelessness which

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indicated no great belief in what good it could do.

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I suppose all old soldiers are same, said missus White.

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The idea of our listening to such nonsense? How could

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wishes be granted in these days? And if they could,

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how could two hundred pounds hurt you? Father might drop

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on his head from the sky, said Herbert Morris, said

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that things happened so naturally, said his father, that you might,

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if you so wish, not see the relationship. Well, don't

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break into the money before I come back, said Herbert,

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as he rose from the table to go to work.

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I'm afraid it'll turn you into a mean, greedy old man,

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and we shall have to tell everyone that we don't

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know you. His mother laughed, and, following him to the door,

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watched him go down the road, and returning to the

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breakfast table, she felt very happy the expense of her

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husband's readiness to believe such stories, all of which did

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not prevent her from hurrying to the door of the

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postman's knock, nor when she found that the post brought

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only a bill talking about how sergeant majors can develop

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bad drinking habits after they leave the army. Herbert will

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have some more of his funny remarks, I expect when

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he comes home, she said, as sat at dinner. I know,

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said mister White, pouring himself out some beer. But for

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all that the thing did move in my hand that

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I'll swear to you thought it did, said the old lady,

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trying to calm him. I say it did, replied the other.

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There was no thought about it. I had just what's

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the matter? His wife made no reply. She was watching

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the mysterious movements of a man outside, who, looking in

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an undecided fashion at the house, appeared to be trying

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to make up his mind to enter in mental connection

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with the two hundred pounds. She noticed that the stranger

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was well dressed and wore a silk hat of shiny newness.

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Three times he stopped briefly at the gate and then

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walked on again. The fourth time he stood with his

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hand upon it, and then, with sudden firmness of mind,

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pushed it open and walked up the path. Missus White,

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at the same moment, placed her hands behind her, hurriedly

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untied the strings of her apron and put it under

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the cushion of her chair. She brought the stranger, who

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seemed a little uncomfortable into the room. He looked at

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her in a way that said there was something about

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his purpose that he wanted to keep secret, and seemed

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to be thinking of something else. As the old lady said,

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she was very sorry for the appearance of the room

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and her husband's coat, which he usually wore in the garden.

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She then waited as patiently as her sex would permit

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for him to state his business, but he was at

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first strangely silent. I was asked to call, he said

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at last, and bent down and picked a piece of

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cotton from his trousers. I come from maw and Meghan's.

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The old lady jumped suddenly as an alarm. Is anything

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the matter? She asked, breathlessly. Has anything happened to Herbert?

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What is it? Her husband spoke before he could answer.

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There there, mother, he said, hurriedly, Sit down, and don't

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jump to a conclusion. You've not brought bad news. I'm sure, sir,

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and eyed the other, expecting that it was bad news,

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but hoping he was wrong.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, began the visitor. Is he hurt? Demanded the

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mother wildly. The visitor lowered and raised his head once

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in agreement. Badly hurt, he said quietly. But he is

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not in any pain. Oh, thank God, said the old woman,

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pressing her hands together tightly. Thank God for that. Thank

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She broke off as the tragic meaning of the part

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about him not being in pain came to her. The

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man had turned his head slightly so as not to

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look directly at her, but she saw the awful truth

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in his face. She caught her breath, and, turning to

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her husband, who did not yet understand the man's meaning,

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laid her shaking hand on his. There was a long silence.

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He was caught in the machinery, said the visitor at length,

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in a low voice. Caught in the machinery, repeated mister White,

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too shocked to think clearly. Yes, He sat, staring out

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the window, and taking his wife's hand between his own,

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pressed it, as he used to do when he was

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trying to win her love in the time before they

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were married, nearly forty years before. He was the only

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one left to us, he said, turning gently to the visitor,

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It is hard. The other coughed, and rising, walked slowly

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to the window. The firm wishes me to pass on

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their great sadness about your loss, he said, without looking around.

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I ask that you please understand that I am only

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their servant and simply doing what they told me to do.

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There was no reply. The old woman's face was white,

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her eyes staring, and her breath unheard. On her husband's

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face was a look such as his friend the Sergeant Major,

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might have carried into his first battle. I was to

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say that Maw and Meghan's accept no responsibility, continued the other.

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But although they don't believe they have a legal requirement

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to make a payment to you for your loss, in

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view of your son's services, they wished to present you

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with a certain sum. Mister White dropped his wife's hand, and,

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rising to his feet, stared with a look of horror

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at his visitor. His dry lips shaped the words how much?

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Two hundred pounds was the answer? Without hearing his wife's scream,

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the old man smiled weakly, put out his hands like

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a blind man, and fell a senseless mass to the floor.

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Speaker 4: Part three. In the huge new cemetery some two miles away,

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the old people buried their dead and came back to

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the house, which was now full of shadows and silence.

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It was all over so quickly that at first they

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could hardly realize it, and remained in a state of

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waiting for something else to happen, something else which was

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to lighten this load too heavy for old hearts to bear.

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But the days passed and they realized that they had

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to accept the situation, the hopeless acceptance of the old

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Sometimes they hardly said a word to each other, for

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now they had nothing to talk about, and their days

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were long to tiredness. It was about a week after

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that the old man, waking suddenly in the night, stretched

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out his hand and found himself alone. The room was

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in darkness, and he could hear the sound of his

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wife crying quietly at the window. He raised himself in

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bed and listened. Come back, he said, tenderly, you'll be cold.

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It's colder for my son, said the old woman, who

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began crying again. The sounds of crying died away on

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his ears. The bed was warm, his eyes heavy with sleep.

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He slept lightly at first, and then was fully asleep

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until a sudden wild cry from his wife woke him up.

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With a stone, the paw, she cried wildly, the monkey's paw.

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He stared up in alarm. Where where is it? What's

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the matter? She almost fell as she hurried across the

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room toward him. I want it, she said, quietly. You've

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not destroyed it. It's in the living room, on the

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shelf above the fireplace. He replied, why. She cried and

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laughed together, and bending over, kissed his cheek. I only

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just thought of it, she said. Why didn't I think

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of it before? Why didn't you think of it, Think

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of what, he questioned, The other two wishes, she replied quickly.

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We've only had one. Was not that enough, he demanded angrily, No,

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she cried excitedly. We'll have one more. Go down and

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get it quickly, and wish our boy alive again. The

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man sat up in bed and threw the blankets from

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his shaking legs. Good God, you are mad, he cried,

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Struck with horror. It she said, breathing quickly, Get it quickly,

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and wish, Oh, my boy, my boy. Her husband struck

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a match and lit the candle. Get back to bed,

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he said, his voice shaking. You don't know what you're saying.

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We had the first wish granted, said the old woman desperately.

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Why not the second? A coincidence, said the old man.

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Go get it and wish, cried his wife, shaking with excitement.

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Speaker 2: The old man turned and looked at her, and his

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voice shook. He has been dead ten days. And besides,

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he I could not tell you before, but I could

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only recognize him by his clothing. If he was too

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terrible for you to see, then how now bring him back,

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cried the old woman, and pulled him towards the door.

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Do you think I fear the child I have nursed?

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He went down in the darkness and felt his way

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to the living room, and then to the fireplace. The

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talisman was in its place on the shelf, and then

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a horrible fear came over him that the unspoken wish

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might bring the broken body of his son before him

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before he could escape from the room. He caught his

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breath as he found that he had lost direction of

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the door. His forehead cold with sweat, he felt his

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way round the table and along the walls, until he

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found himself at the bottom of the stairs with the

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evil thing in his hand. Even his wife's face seemed

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changed as he entered the room. It was white and expectant,

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and to his fears, seemed to have an almost unnatural

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look upon it. He was afraid of her wish, she

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cried in a strong voice. It is foolish and wicked,

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he said weakly. Wish, repeated his wife. He raised his hand,

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I wish my son alive again. The talisman fell to

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the floor, and he looked at it fearfully. Then he

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sank into a chair, and the old woman with burning eyes,

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walked to the window and opened the curtains. He sat

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until he could no longer bear the cold, looking up

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from time to time at the figure of his wife

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staring through the window. The candle, which had almost burned

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to the bottom, was throwing moving shadows around the room.

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When the candle finally went out, the old man, with

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an unspeakable sense of relief at the failure of the talisman,

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went slowly back to his bed, and a minute afterward,

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the old woman came silently and lay without movement beside him.

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Neither spoke, but lay silently listening to the ticking of

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the clock. They heard nothing else other than the normal

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night sounds. The darkness was depressing, and after lying for

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some time building up his courage, the husband took the

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box of matches and, lighting one, went downstairs for another candle.

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At the foot of the stairs, the match went out,

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and he stopped to light another. At the same moment,

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a knock sounded on the front door. It was so

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quiet that it could only be heard downstairs, as if

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the one knocking wanted to keep their coming a secret.

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The matches fell from his hand. He stood motionless, not

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even breathing, until the knock was repeated. Then he turned

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and ran quickly back up to his room and closed

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the door behind him. A third knock sounded through the house.

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What's that, cried the old woman, sitting up quickly. A rat,

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said the man, shakily. A rat. It passed me on

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the stairs.

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Speaker 4: His wife sat up in bed, listening. A loud knock

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echoed through the house. It's a Herbert, she screamed, it's

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a Herbert. She ran to the door, but her husband

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was there before her, and, catching her by the arm,

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held her tightly. What are you going to do, he

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asked in a low, scary voice. It's my boy, it's Herbert,

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she cried, struggling automatically. I forgot it was two miles away.

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What are you holding me for? Let go? I must

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open the door for God's sake. Don't let it in,

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cried the old man, shaking with fear. You're afraid of

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your own son, she cried, struggling. Let me go. I'm coming, Herbert,

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I'm coming. There was another knock, and another. The old woman,

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with a sudden pull, broke free and ran from the room.

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Her husband followed to the top of the stairs and

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called after her. As she hurried down, he heard the

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chain pulled back and the bottom lock open. Then the

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woman's voice, desperate and breathing heavily the top lock. She

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cried loudly, come down, I can't reach it. But her

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husband was on his hands and knees, feeling around wildly

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on the floor in search of Pa, Pa, if only

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he could find it before the thing outside got in.

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The knocks came very quickly, now echoing through the house,

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and he heard the noise of his wife moving a

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chair and putting it down against the door. He heard

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the movement of the lock as she began to open it,

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and at the same moment he found the monkey's paw

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and frantically breathed his third and last wish. The knocking

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stopped suddenly, although the echoes of it were still in

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the house. He heard the chair pulled back and the

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door opened. A cold wind blew up the staircase, and

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a long loud cry of disappointment and pain from his

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wife gave him the courage to run down to her

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side and then to the gate. The street light opposite

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shone on a quiet and deserted road.

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Speaker 2: The end, Wow, I forgot how spooky bad kids at

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the end. It's a good story, It really is a

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wonderful story.

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Speaker 4: That is a great story. We hope that you've enjoyed

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this telling of the monkeys paw by W. W. Jacobs.

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Thank you so much for listening to this episode of

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mind Over Murder. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Mind Over Murder is a production of Absolute Zero and

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Another Dog Productions.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley.

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Speaker 1: Our logo art is by Pamela Arnois.

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Speaker 2: Our theme music is by Kevin McLoud.

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Speaker 1: Mind Over Murder is distributed in partnership with Coral Space Media.

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