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Speaker 1: We're Toarmin Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.

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Telegan's welcome back to another edition of the Pso. I

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am the team. You're Telow Tom Fitzgerald, and I'm here

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with All and your Telo Lorenzo because my love the husband.

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He how are your lovely husband.

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Speaker 2: I'm wonderful.

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Speaker 1: He is working every day preparing our trip. So much

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to do. Uh and Donicall and Dublin, We're just gonna

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be very busy boys.

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Speaker 2: I was just talking to someone about it, like, we

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can't just go. I mean there's so much reparation, right,

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you know, for the site, for everything. I wish I

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could just go and not worry about anything, like like

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any other person. I can play, But now we have

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to prepare ahead of time everything, and then we still

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have to write. I mean we we you know, we

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tour all day, which is wonderful. I'm not complaining, But

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then we go back to the hotel and then we

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have to start prepairing.

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Speaker 1: Fan to work, and we're gonna wind up recording, yeah,

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two of the Bitterkin Movie Club entries before we go.

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We're probably gonna wind up doing that this weekend actually,

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And so that we can space them out while we're gone.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just it's it's how it is. I'm

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not complaining. I'm a god. He's a wonderful true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, but no, very exciting, very excited.

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Speaker 2: We've been to Ireland, as I mentioned, but I'm very

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excited about Scotland.

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Speaker 1: And we're checking the weather every day, I know, because

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it's that we're going to We're not gonna I know,

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not gonna be I mean, and is not going to

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Speaker 2: Europe is on fire right now. And it's funny because

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my brother lives in the Netherlands and I just text

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him and I said, how's the weather there? I know

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it's Bernie and and he's like, yeah, and we don't

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have it condition And I completely forgot he doesn't have it.

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And I'm like, what, you don't have air condition? No,

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we don't. We don't need it. Well, clearly you guys do.

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I mean, things have to change. I was just listening

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on NPR about that, because that's all they talk about.

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It's how hot it is in your that Europe has

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to change that. I mean, they have to story.

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Speaker 1: Well, part of the problem, for instance in the UK

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because this is an issue in the UK is that

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they're you know, their infrastructure does not really support and

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we're not just talking about things like windows. It's also

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the kind of roofs that they have, and it's you know,

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the kind of insulation that they My understanding is they

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don't actually have that much intulation in the UK. It's

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not actually you know, legally required as much.

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Speaker 2: I mean, aside from hotels obviously they have their prepare

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for guests for tourists, but in general, I remember going

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to the Buccane Palace, I believe, and it's smell like

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sweat inside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it's even further than that, like

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their rail lines cannot handle the heat because the metal

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of their trucks can't even handle it. So like the economy,

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it affects the economy. Inous ways, forty people drowned, and

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I know, and I mean I've seen some of this

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on social media. Europeans get very bent out of ship

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when Americans start saying shit like this, And I have

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to say, there's no denying that there's a certain amount

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of anti American posturing when they start getting defensive about it,

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like air conditioning is something that you use stilly Americans

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cook or hardcore Europeans don't need it, and it's like, well, actually,

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hundreds of you were dying every year, so maybe you

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do need it. But like I said, it's not as

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simple as Americans think. We'll just pop it a window

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unit in, but their windows can't support it, their electrical

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grid can't support it.

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Speaker 2: So you know, a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't you know, these countries were not developed. You know,

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they're thousands of years old in a climate that was gone.

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of stuff. That's why we look at America and there

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are whole portions, massive portions of America that get very,

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very hot, and always did. It's not like suddenly Arizona

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became as hot, as it's been that way for hundreds

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of years. So it's sort of built into our culture

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that yeah, you need air conditioning at this time of year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and well that's the beauty over Europe because everything

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gets old.

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Speaker 1: But then when when the climates start changing, and then

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when you get old you die of heat stroke.

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Speaker 2: I know. So anyway, it's very hot there. I don't

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think Scotland will be hot, but I think I don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Ireland will be but I don't keep checking

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and it's not going above eighty degrees anytime over there.

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Speaker 2: You tell us gott you Scottish, you know kittens, tell.

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Speaker 1: Us the UK kittens and the Irish. Well we're not

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going to be in England, but let us know.

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Speaker 2: How the weather.

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Speaker 1: All right, we have much to talk about. Yes, yes, yes,

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I know that you have some tiktoky things that you

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want to get off your chest. And you've been, like

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most of America observing all of the people from all

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over the world coming to the to the country for

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the World Cup, and it's actually been a good moment

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for us because you know, this country is not in

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a great place at the moment are standing in the

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world is the worst it's ever been. And you know,

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there was talk for months ahead of time because of

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the you know, draconian immigration policies of this administration and

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the way people are just getting turned away. There was

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that referee a couple of weeks ago that was turned

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away and people predicted, oh my god, this was going

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to be a disaster for the United States. It's we're

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gonna look, We're gonna be so embarrassed on the world stage.

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But I think the reason this has been so great

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is because it's people meeting people. It's not countries meeting countries.

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It's not leaders meeting leaders. It's actually people from Scotland

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partying with people from Boston. You know, when you get

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away from the leaders and the policy and all of

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that other stuff and you just let people be people. Yeah,

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America is a great place, right.

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Speaker 2: They have something else in common, which is sports, you know, right, soccer.

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They all beer and beer, which they ran out of

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beer in Boston.

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Speaker 1: In Boston.

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Speaker 2: It's just that, you know, it's Yeah. When when they

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announced the games, we're gonna be here, it got very

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complicated and it was this whole discussion about you know,

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how we're gonna handle it, and when we're in the

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middle of this immigration crisis, and a lot of people

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were saying, we're not going, but you know, if you're

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a hardcore fan, you you're gonna come no matter what.

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to see, especially on social media on TikTok, all these

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representations here was just so much fun. All the things

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that happened, like especially here in Philadelphia, we had the braziliance,

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we had the French people they were all here. They

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were all over the Art Museum, you know, the steps

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and and just partying and dancing. And then in Boston

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they had Thetish people wearing kilts all over the city

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and having the best time. You know, they drank all

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the beer they had there. And then they moved to Miami.

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to see that. I mean, you know, soccer fans in

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Europe they can get a little wild, and I'll leave

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it at that, you know, but they can also be

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a lot of fun. They yeah, they're fun. They they're

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they're enthusiastic about everything. And it was nice to see

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them here in the country. And it was interesting to see,

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especially on TikTok with hilarious they experiencing America, United States

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for the first time and all the things that they

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noticed here that they were just funny. One of them,

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the first one I thought it was hilarious, is that

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how everything is huge, because you know, they went to Dallas,

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most of them, and how everything is huge, like the

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supermarkets are huge, Walmart. They couldn't believe how all the

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choices that we have here of Syria, of everything, and

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it's just just fun to see that. The other thing

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was the portions, you know, like how they all went

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to restaurants and how you know, the portions are enormous here.

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friends from Blatin America everywhere, and when they come here,

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they always mentioned the same thing. They always talk about

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how big the portions are here in the United States

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compared to you know ere for example, where you get

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like these tiny little things when you go to a restaurant.

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showing their plates and it's just cute. And then the

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thing about ranch dressing, which was hilarious. TSA had to

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actually make a statement and tell Europeans when they were

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heading back home to not, you know, buy so much

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ranch dressing and to take it with them in the

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in their you know, carry on luggage because they couldn't

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do it. So that was funny to see. And I

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believe it because my brother's obsessed with blue cheese dressing

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and I always have to bring it to him because

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he loves it. It's just funny how some salad dresses

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in the United States are like people never heard of

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it or never experience it, and they're obsessed with it.

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the whole tipping thing, which I find very very interesting

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because Europeans especially are always complaining that they have to

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tip here in the United States, and I find that fascinating,

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the whole topic, because they just don't get it. It's

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here that they just can't understand. And you know, also

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always like confused about should I tip? I mean, how

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much do I tip? I'm always asking my brother and

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don't worry about it. They're fine. It's just a different culture.

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it was all of the New York Times had a

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whole article about it because how New York hate They

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hate tourists because they don't tip, and so therefore they

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give them a very bad service, and then they complain

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it's the whole process. Here, it's a cycle. You know,

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you don't get tips, so they don't feel like giving

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they deserve a service regardless. But I had situations here.

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the United States and we went out to dinner and

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we actually had a major fight about tippy because she

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if tippy is a thing he in the United States,

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then you just have to go with it. It's just

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Speaker 1: For the most part, people have been pretty good about

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Speaker 2: But I do also feel that we're way out of

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that's a whole different story that. I mean, you get anything,

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they ask you to tip for anything. Uh, So that's annoying.

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And and they put you in a position where they

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turn that thing around, that tablet around and and you know,

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sort of like shame you if you don't tip anymore.

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They always, I mean, it's always a fight. It's always

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this argument, especially between the United States and and your

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is hysterical. He left the restaurant, uh and the waiter

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went after him, chased him down and ask him why

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he didn't tip, And and and you know you didn't

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like the service and it was something wrong why you

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didn't tip and got him completely off course and he

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didn't know what to say. But anyway, it it's yeah,

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thing about tipping. We just went through. But we're doing

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will talk about Spider Noir. Proud I will find you,

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to talk about how said the Dragon.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot.

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plunging into TV talk. I have been meaning to talk

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a little bit about Spider Noir for a while, and

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I'm kind of late. I didn't realize that that series

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dropped almost a month ago. It dropped on Prime. It

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stars Nicholas Cage. It's a sort of a take on

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Spider Man. I'm actually a little surprised. As a longtime nerd,

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because for the longest time, the conventional wisdom in the

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world of comic books was that the quote unquote civilian

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public could not handle things like multi verse variants and

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that sort of thing. It was too complicated, it was

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too nerdy, it was too offbeat. But you know, now

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there's a whole TV series about a Spider Man variant

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played by Nicholas Cage. Now, the Spider Verse was introduced

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to the public in a series of animated films, and

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Nicholas Cage played the Spider Noir character, or he voiced

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the Spider Noir character in these films. But I remember

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raising my eyebrow when I heard that he had been

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cast in a live action version, because he is a

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Spider Man character, and you know, Nicholas Cage is in

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his sixties and looks at and I was like, how

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is that gonna work? Bottom line is I actually don't

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think it does. I was a little surprised because the

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critics were kind of like pretty supportive of this when

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it first came out. It was charming and worth your time,

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and everything, and it is charming, And I won't tell

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you whether it's worth your time or not, because maybe

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charm is all you're looking for. Maybe Nicholas Cage is

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all you're looking for. Maybe Brendan Gleeson as a nineteen

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thirties you know gangster, which there is a lot of

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fun in watching him say things like superpowers with his

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with his Irish accent. But it really didn't grab me.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I didn't finish it, and I am a nerd,

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but I don't, for one thing, I don't think this

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version of the character is all that interesting. I don't

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think putting Spider Man in a nineteen thirties and war

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detective storyline, it just doesn't grab me.

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but not for a movie for live action. I will

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Speaker 1: The series looks amazing, and you have the option it's

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on Prime video. You have the option of watching it

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in black and white, are watching it in color?

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Speaker 2: And you did both.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's much more worth your time if

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you're gonna do it, watch it in black and white.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: It's a noir, it's meant to be, you know, a

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classic film noir. So watching it in color, I'm like,

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why would you do that? When you switch over to

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black and white, it looks amazing. I have to admit

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the sets, and I realize everything must be digital. There's

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a whole like vistas of New York, you know, streets

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in the nineteen thirties that simply do not exist in

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the real world today. So I have to assume all

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of that stuff was done digitally. But it's really well done.

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this might be blesphemy for some people. I don't think

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Nicholas Cage is all that great an actor. I just don't.

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I think he's extremely charismatic. I think in his best roles,

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in his biggest roles, he's extremely watchable. He makes very

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interesting choices as an actor, very unexpected choices as an actor.

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on you know, on on your toes a little bit

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with him because you really don't know where he's going

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to go, where he's going to take a scene. And

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that's a great quality. That is a really great quality.

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to have, you know, I'm not going to trash Nicholas Cage,

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who is beloved. I find his acting very stiff, very

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men and not very realistic, so it always it tends

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to take me out of things. Agree when he's playing

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total freak shows and can really get his freak on,

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he's he's much more watchable. But in this one he's

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like this gum shoe detective and he's doing this sort

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of Humphrey Bogart kind of thing, and it just it

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sounds bad to me. It just sounds bad to me.

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Spider Man stuff. Clearly it's all digital and stuntman because

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you know, it's a full face mask. You can't see

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him at all, and that becomes a problem because Nicholas

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Case moves like a man in his sixties when he's not,

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you know, so it's just noticeable. It's very very not

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It's sort of like watching Yoda in the in the

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prequel movies, like suddenly flipping around and spinning all over

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the place. It just doesn't look right. There's just this

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disconnect between sixty two or three year old Nicholas Cage

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and the superhero that's like flipping and bouncing all over

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the city, and like the two you can't you can't

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marry them. It becomes way too obvious that we're not

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looking at Nicholas Cage. We're looking at either a stuntman

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or a digital creation.

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Speaker 2: So that takes me out of it.

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Speaker 1: It does have a lot of charm, but I think

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that's literally the only thing it does have, and sometimes

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you're gagging on it. There's a way to do these

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sort of retro stories, especially when you're injecting like fantasy

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or super heroic elements or science fiction elements into it.

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Speaker 2: There's a way to do that.

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Speaker 1: Like the old Agent Carter series that was on ABC

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like ten years ago, was a melding of you know,

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Marvel and classic nineteen forties adventure dramas.

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Speaker 2: You can do it.

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Speaker 1: It's possible, and I even think it's possible to do

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a sort of Spider Noir ish Spider Man nineteen thirties

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kind of take. But ultimately I think the concept and

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the casting and the idea there's just too much that

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the audience I can't speak for it. There's too much

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for me to buy into. I'm like, all right, I

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have to accept that there's a Spider Man detective in

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the nineteen thirties. I have to accept that Nicholas Cage

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is actually flipping around the city like that, and I

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don't know the storyline. It's charming, there's a lot of

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Easter eggs. If you know you're Spider Man continuity, there's

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a lot of people that pop up names and everything

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like that. But ultimately it's just I didn't I was

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not grabbed by it. So that's my take on Spider Noir.

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I would love to hear of any other nerds out

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there watched it, finished it, liked it, hate me for

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saying that Nicholas Cage is a bad after So I'd

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love to hear your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know much about it. Bear watch a

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little bit of one episode with you, and I felt

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the same way. I was like, wow, he looks old.

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Oh and then he's jumping like crazy like jumping around

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and I'm like, that doesn't work. But it did look beautiful.

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of charm in it, and I actually do like most

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of the supporting cast, but I just, yeah, I can't

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buy him in that role, and I don't think the

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character is very interesting so no, I didn't finish it. Sorry,

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but it wasn't for me. You finished I Will find You,

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and I only sat in the background watching that piece

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of garbage crap, youre crap. At a certain point you

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watched it, so I'm going to turn the review over you.

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But at a certain point some character was saying some

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and it was the most the clumsy, most expositional dialogue,

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where like I am explaining my relationship to you and

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our entire history together and recapping what happened in the

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last three apps. Like it's that kind of Netflix right

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where they assume that you're not paying attention. There's a

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lot of us and I just set out loud that

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this is crap.

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Speaker 3: To you.

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is and you made a You

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said it was like a Hallmark Lifetime and actually, like

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a Hallmark is they are slicker than what we saw here.

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I understand the comparison because it has that sort of

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look no offense if you love those Hallmark Lifetime movies,

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but they're not intellectual films, right, you know, Yeah, it's

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pure mindless entertainment and it has that sort of feel

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to it, except it's trying to do sort of a

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suspenseful story, like we're not talking about like picking out

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Christmas trees and falling in love, Like there's a suspenseful,

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right impactful story there, and it's just everything's done in

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the worst sort of television acting, the worst flattest directing,

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and then the script is just just people explaining things

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to each other constantly and saying each other's names. Anyway,

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I will no no. I mean, if you're starting Sam

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Worthington and Britt Lauer and it's about a father who

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was imprisoned for killing his son, but he finds out

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or suspects that his son is still alive and that

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he breaks out of jail. This is all in the

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first episode, so I'm not spoiling anything. But every time

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I looked up, somebody was doing something so completely out

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of pocket, like how did you get from being in

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jail and now you're in a suit and you're like

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breaking into some mansion.

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Speaker 2: And I will give it a shot to pretty much

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anything you know on Netflix. I'm a Netflix fan, so

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and I was I'm not surprised that it's number one

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show now on Netflix because people light you know, it's a.

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Speaker 1: Laundry folding show. Yes, for people you know, and there's

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nothing wrong.

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Speaker 2: With I also thinks all the time. I don't mind

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silly shows. I don't mind shows that you want just

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to you. But when the writing is bed, when the

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plot is bad, this is really really bad. You explain,

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you know that if father goes to prison because they

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think he killed his son and turns out he didn't,

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I'm not spoiling anything. He wants to prove that he didn't.

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And then they see a picture, you know, and there's

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a kid in the back in the background, and they

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so they think now and so they think the kid's alive,

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and they he gets out of prison and tries you know,

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it's the whole show is about him trying to prove

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that he didn't kill his son. The son's still alive

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and he needs to find the son. So it's an

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interesting cast. I mean, britt Lauer is amazing and she

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tries her best, you know, Yeah, but it doesn't work.

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Sam more than to I don't know another one that's

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I never thought. I never thought he was good. Uh.

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Logan Brown gets the worst lines possible. She's she really does.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're a script, but every time I was like,

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oh god, her lines are horrible.

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Speaker 2: She's a cop and it's just bad, bad, bad Malanie Stowe.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know Madeline Stowe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Madeline Stee. I'm sorry she she's great as always,

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but she's playing the evil mother. You know. It reminded

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me of Revenge, you know, and Revenge work because he

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was camped from from from the from.

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Speaker 1: This should have been campy. If it had been campy,

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this would have been a lot more interesting. But everyone's

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playing it so strong.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, you know. They taken this show very seriously, and

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Revenge was just fun.

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Speaker 1: You know, like if Britt Lauer had played this campy

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or funny, I think she would have had a lot

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of fun with it. You my little Vntimilia is in

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it as well. He does look amazing. I will give

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him that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if nothing else, he looks great. Eight he does,

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so that's he's that.

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00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: So he looks great. And clothes, I mean, oh my god,

473
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,799
like his clothes look really really good on him.

474
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also like Jonathan Tucker. I always had a

475
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,200
thing for him. I think he's hot. Yeah, but anyway,

476
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:11,759
he's got that.

477
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,599
Speaker 1: White tresh look till he's hot white trash.

478
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: See. I do like that. No, I know you do.

479
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,400
I do like that type anyway. So the men are hot.

480
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,400
If you want to watch watch it for the men

481
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,480
sometimes I do. Uh, And but it's just it every

482
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:30,240
now and then I was like shaking my head, like

483
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,519
what is going on here? Yeah, because they keep they

484
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,720
keep you know, discovering things and things show up, and

485
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,920
shows like these are are so terribly written because they

486
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,799
come up with the stupid, you know, explanation to justify

487
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,359
something that's going on, and you're like why what? Uh. Yeah, anyway,

488
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,680
it's a very silly show entertaining. But but no, I'm

489
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:56,319
that's not great.

490
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: Two for two Spidan Noir and I will find you

491
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:01,960
there were thumbs down on both of them. We cannot

492
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,640
recommend either one. All right, we will take a short

493
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,240
break and then we're going to come back with a

494
00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:08,519
show that we actually can recommend. We'll be right back.

495
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,680
We're back, uh. And now we're going to before we

496
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,359
launch into a I don't want to say a big discussion,

497
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,720
but our main discussion, which will be House of the Dragon,

498
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,839
we wanted to just take a second and tell you

499
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,880
about a show that you probably haven't heard of, that

500
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,279
hasn't gotten a lot of fanfare, but it might be

501
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,160
worth your time if you're interested. It's a show on

502
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,799
HBO Max called Proud and it is a Polish show.

503
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,279
And the one thing I will say that might make

504
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,279
it hard for people to get into is that it's dubbed.

505
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 2: And I hate that it's dubbed. I didn't watch it dubbed.

506
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:46,839
Speaker 1: Oh I watched it.

507
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: No, you must have it automatically set for for it,

508
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:51,200
you know.

509
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: But you know what I was on Wait, wait, wait,

510
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,000
I was on my computer watching it and there was

511
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,599
no option. No. I watch it on TV and it

512
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,480
was oh, okay, Well that's good because now I have

513
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:03,880
to watch it again because it was very hard.

514
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,279
Speaker 2: No, god, no, okay.

515
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: So that's a little helpful hint for you if you

516
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:09,799
just want the subtimee because I would have loved to

517
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,640
have listened to people speaking in Polish.

518
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: God, that's so funny. Yeah.

519
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: I had to watch both episodes and I was like, wow,

520
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,359
that's that's kind of off put.

521
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: Now there was no option on my computer to which

522
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,200
is a lot. Sometimes it happens on Netflix depending on

523
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,680
your saying, it comes automatically dumb and well, you know, anyways.

524
00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:31,559
Speaker 1: Good to know, all right, so scratch everything. I just said,

525
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,160
but proud is a I don't think it's necessary. It's

526
00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:40,680
it's called an LGBTQ drama, but I'm not entirely sure

527
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:44,240
that that's accurate. It's it's a family drama, it's a

528
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,359
it's a drama show, and it's it has queerness in it,

529
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,519
and of course the main character is queer. But by

530
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,440
the time I got to the second episode, the end

531
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,400
of the second episode, in that funeral scene, that scene

532
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,079
where they got drunk in the restaurant after the funeral,

533
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,559
I was like, this is not very queer. She's yelling

534
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:04,240
at her daughter that she has to go to college,

535
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,559
and she runs into her ex and everything, and she's

536
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:10,440
not even the main character. Don't get me wrong, it's

537
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,599
a queer show, but I think it manages to avoid

538
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,240
a lot of, say, the cliches of what you would

539
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,559
expect in a queer show. Let me just do with

540
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,319
the setup and then we can talk about it. This

541
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:26,240
is the setup. So this is not a spoiler, but

542
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,000
it's about a young twenty something, like early to mid

543
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,319
twenty something gay guy in Poland. I'm not sure they

544
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,640
named the city. I know it's not Crackow because someone

545
00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:42,359
just arrived from Crackou in the second episode. I don't

546
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:45,319
know what city it is, but he is a model.

547
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:48,640
He's a pretty low rent model. He goes on casting

548
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,240
calls and everything, and he did a morning TV show

549
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,000
where he had to wear a speedo, so he's not

550
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:58,039
doing like high fashion runway work. And he's a hard partier,

551
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:02,000
and he clearly has some addiction issues, and he likes

552
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,680
to go out and get laid a lot. In some ways,

553
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,319
a very typical twenty something gay guy in an urban center.

554
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,319
He has a sister that he's living with and she

555
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,640
has a toddler, and spoiler, it happens halfway through the

556
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,519
first episode she dies. No, I mean it's the whole

557
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:20,279
premise of the show.

558
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,079
Speaker 2: Premise of the show.

559
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: So he dies, and he is this irresponsible gay twenty

560
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:30,960
something face up. And what makes it sort of much

561
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:33,720
more poignant than simply, you know, a gay guy, a

562
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,200
gay fuck up needs to grow up. It's that he

563
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:39,799
and his sister were in the system. They grow up

564
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,279
in an orphanage, and in the brief scenes that they

565
00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:46,160
have together before she's killed off, they talk about how

566
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,839
traumatizing that was, and it's pretty clear that a lot

567
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,680
of his issues come from that that he was abandoned

568
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,240
by his parents and dropped into an orphanage and it

569
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:58,640
was a terrible experience for him. Anyway, that's the setup

570
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:04,359
for it. I really loved it for a lot of

571
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,079
different reasons, but I think the main one was it's

572
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,000
not you just expect it's just going to be all

573
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,319
hot guys and sex and discothechts. And there's a lot

574
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,000
of that. First, not that much though, that's just it.

575
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,599
There's not as much of that as I would have expected.

576
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,359
It's a lot of him going out into the world

577
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,960
and just not being mature enough to handle anything.

578
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: But I did. I really liked that.

579
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of subtlety in the acting. It's not

580
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:39,400
trying to do anything too hard. The lead actor, Ignacia Lists,

581
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:45,720
is great because so charming. He's so like under affected.

582
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:47,279
He keeps it all of it, which I think is

583
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,640
very true of his generation, but also true of someone

584
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:53,920
in his situation who would probably not you know, you.

585
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: Just mentioned something very interesting that is very true.

586
00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:01,279
Speaker 3: Is that kind of look that doesn't show yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

587
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,599
but he's got to stand yeah, and you want to

588
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,440
shake them and you want to slap them and most

589
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,319
of the other characters want to do the same thing.

590
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: Sister try to do that. Yeah, I I'm always fascinated

591
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,279
by queer show, international queer shows. I mean, I would

592
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,359
call it a queer show, but anyway, it is been

593
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,759
released as a as a queer show. It's it's it's

594
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,519
one of the most talked about international shows right now.

595
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,079
Uh in Europe, everywhere it's it. It's getting a lot

596
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:31,039
of good buzz. And it's a great show. And especially

597
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:34,200
because it comes from Poland. You know, if you watch Poland,

598
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,440
Polish shows, Polish movies, it's you know, it's it's a

599
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:42,400
conservative country. Uh So to have a show like that,

600
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:47,240
I think it's fantastic. And I and and the choices

601
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:51,279
you just mentioned that it's not very queer or you know,

602
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,200
it's more about family. I wonder if that was deliberate,

603
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:57,079
you know, so that the show could have you know,

604
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,440
they could do the show and the show show in Poland,

605
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,559
or it's because they just felt like, let's tell let's talk,

606
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,880
let's tell a different story here, or maybe both. But

607
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:09,880
I it is very interesting. I love it because it's

608
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,920
all about fatherhood and you know, gay fatherhood.

609
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: And it's interesting. I think as an American watching this

610
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,240
show to you know, I won't claim that queer people

611
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,559
in America have had just we're just enjoying a free

612
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,000
ride at the moment. I won't claim that, but you

613
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,559
are faced with there's a different attitude in Poland about

614
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:34,960
gay man raising children. It's very clear that the idea

615
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:37,960
of him raising this child is a little strange to

616
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,359
some people in a way that it would you know,

617
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,079
if it was set in America or even Great Britain,

618
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:47,240
you wouldn't have that plotline. So it's it's kind of

619
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:49,839
nice to have this version of gay life that where

620
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,519
they're still fighting for things that we kind of take

621
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:55,680
for granted here in this country. And it's not illegal

622
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:57,839
for him to be a father, but it's much much

623
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:58,480
more difficult.

624
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: It's yeah, I mean, he that's probably the whole show

625
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:04,279
because we only have watched two episodes, only two episodes around,

626
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:06,400
that's probably what the show is about. They're going to

627
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,599
be about, is him trying to fight to have custody

628
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:10,559
of the.

629
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: Daughter, presumably get his head on straight, no pun intended.

630
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:15,880
You know, he's got a lot of issues.

631
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: He's good, yeah, he I mean he yeah, he does

632
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:20,960
all sorts of things. So so he's going to have

633
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,880
to be a little more responsible if he wants to,

634
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,440
you know, be in charge of the Little Girl. But

635
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:29,880
I I, like I said, I love these shows because

636
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,039
he gives you a little bit of a I don't know,

637
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,559
a look into queerness in a different country aside from

638
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,160
the United States. I just love every time I see

639
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,200
a show in a national show like this, I always

640
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:45,240
make sure that I watch because it's good. It's always good.

641
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,079
It's sometimes gives you and perspect him on exactly exactly.

642
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: And I have to say the Little Girl, she is

643
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:54,440
a horrible is absolutely adorable.

644
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:58,119
Speaker 2: It's really well done. It's beautiful. Yeah, to look at

645
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,000
it's a great show. It's not a low budget show.

646
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,079
It looks expensive, it looks nice.

647
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,119
Speaker 1: And I just think it's a very religiod gay gay

648
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,880
dude a side gay male model aside, it's actually a

649
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,519
very relatable story in a lot of way. It's about

650
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:17,280
family and drama and about your issues, and it's about

651
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,239
letting the people around you down and whether or not

652
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,320
you can figure out a way to stop doing that.

653
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: I think, I think, if nothing else, that's the story here,

654
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:28,440
especially if you were single, if you're not married, if

655
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,599
you're not thinking of having kids, to be in that

656
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,320
situation where you know, your life is completely turned upside down,

657
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,760
you know, because of a certain you know, because of

658
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,960
something that happened to you or your family. So I

659
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,199
think it's interesting how you deal with it, you know,

660
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,119
and how that changed your life. So, if nothing else,

661
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:47,000
that's a show about that.

662
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: Agreed. All right, let's talk a little bit about House

663
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,440
of the Dragon. Yes, this is probably going to go

664
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,679
a little bit longer than our other topics. Let me

665
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:05,119
first say this. I was not into it, and we've talked.

666
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,039
We did the first two seasons of the show. We

667
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,039
we recapped them here on the podcast. We did some

668
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:14,519
costume stuff early on. But this goes back to my

669
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,360
often stated point about modern television and the expectations that

670
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,760
people are going to wait two years in between seasons

671
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,119
for these extremely complicated storylines.

672
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: You barely remember anything.

673
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: And I with this time around, I was like, yeah,

674
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,000
I'm gonna watch it, and I'm going to regret if

675
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:34,480
I don't watch it. But I'm like, I'm not doing

676
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:39,159
any freaking homework. I'm not doing homework. And in fact,

677
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,960
to me, this goes it's sort of hand in hand

678
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,559
with how you know when you're reviewing or talking about

679
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,320
a show or a movie that has been adapted from

680
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,880
a book. I don't give a shit about the book.

681
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,920
We're going to review the TV show. We're going to

682
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,960
talk about whether the TV show. You know that sort

683
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,320
of thing. It's the same thing here where if I

684
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,079
have to go and do for five minutes of research

685
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,199
or I have to watch some video recapping the previous

686
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,440
season in order to understand what's happening in this episode,

687
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,880
that is a failure as a television show.

688
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: I agree. I think. I think if you're a fan

689
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,519
of the books, great because you have all these knowledge,

690
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,239
right you understand all these characters, the history and everything,

691
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:20,079
especially because this is very much true with this story

692
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,239
that there's a lot of history. The second season was

693
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,360
all about their history, right Uh, and then now we

694
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,800
have all these battles going on. But if you if

695
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,719
you haven't read the book, you are any show out there.

696
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,079
I think I think you should be able to enjoy

697
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:37,119
a show even if you.

698
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,599
Speaker 1: Stand on it. Yeah, I agree, And it's the same

699
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:42,960
thing an episode of television. I realized that you have

700
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,519
to you have to know if you're in the third

701
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:48,320
season of a serialized drama, you have to know everything

702
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,400
that happened before, But I shouldn't have to do research

703
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:55,920
to figure out what happened before. Having said all of that,

704
00:36:56,199 --> 00:37:00,199
because that was my attitude going into it, while I

705
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,119
was watching this first episode, I was I had to

706
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,400
begrudgingly say, you know what, they're really doing a very

707
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,920
very good job of clearly getting you back into the story.

708
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,960
I can't remember every nu once and every time a

709
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,320
character popped up, I was like, oh yeah, what's their

710
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,039
story again, like uh huh. And some of that I

711
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,800
really don't remember. Because that's the thing about House of

712
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,639
the Dragon. Massive cast, massive cast, And I know Game

713
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:30,920
of Thrones also had a massive cast, but I feel

714
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:37,800
like I feel like Game of Thrones slowly expanded its cast,

715
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,559
whereas with this one, you were thrown everybody everybody like

716
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,079
in the first You know, Game.

717
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: Of Thrones did a very good job introducing the characters

718
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,960
over time. Because I never read the books and I

719
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,119
was totally fine with what I was watching. You know,

720
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:56,079
I didn't need anything else. Uh here, I feel like

721
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:59,239
I need I need a little bit more information. But

722
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,920
Game of Thrones it just went you know, slowly introducing everybody,

723
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,800
and it was fine. Here, I don't know, I feel

724
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,360
like I need a little more like backstory.

725
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,559
Speaker 1: When they cut to the what are they called, the

726
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:18,079
dragon Seeds, the three guys who yeah, yeah, they cut

727
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:21,760
to them, and I'm like, oh, right, right, what are

728
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,119
their stories again? Like and I know, like, for instance,

729
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,159
the blonde guy, Hugh Hammer, who I actually think that

730
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:29,840
guy's gorgeous.

731
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: Oh he is gorgeous.

732
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: They cut to him at one point, and then there

733
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,800
was some reference to his background. I'm like, I I

734
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,119
think there was an episode about him, but I really

735
00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:43,039
don't remember it. Like, and that's the sort of stuff

736
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,800
where I'm like, well, if the show can figure out

737
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,039
a way to convey this information to me, fine, But

738
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:52,519
I Am not running off to Wikipedia or doing anything

739
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:56,000
like that. Because this is the other thing I want

740
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:58,360
to say before we get into the episode, which is

741
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,840
that app su are a Night of the Seven Kingdoms

742
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,639
premiered earlier this year, which was the third West Ross

743
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,920
or George R. R. Martin adaptation, and unlike the first two,

744
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,239
House of the Dragon and Game of Thrones, the whole

745
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,880
vibe of that show is very different. It's a lot lighter,

746
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:21,760
the stakes are a lot less serious. There are very

747
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,320
likable characters. The lead character is just someone you would

748
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,280
fall in love with. And it was a much gentler

749
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,679
take on this kind of story, and I loved it.

750
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:34,320
And I was like, I don't know if I want

751
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,199
to go back into all this dragony, incesty, bullshit. These

752
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,400
people are awful, and I have to admit that will

753
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,400
be for me going forward with this show. I have

754
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:48,840
not soured on this show, and when we come back

755
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,760
from the break, I want to talk about why I

756
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:54,760
haven't soured from this show. But I have to admit

757
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,159
i'd take a much more you need to impress me

758
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,440
kind of stance with it. Need to get this exactly right,

759
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,079
because otherwise I don't know how invested I am in

760
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:04,800
this anymore.

761
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I've I've read a lot of criticism

762
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:14,559
of the show about trying to compromise between the book,

763
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,800
the insane history of the book of all these characters,

764
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,599
many many, many details, and and and entertaining an interesting

765
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,199
TV show, right, and it's it's hard, it's it's difficult,

766
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:30,639
and and make some of these people likable. That's the

767
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,679
other thing people were talking about, like because they're horrible

768
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,840
in the book, and you know it's hard to do.

769
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: That's something that is my main complaint about where the

770
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:43,119
show is right now, Why don't we take a break

771
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,480
and we'll get into it right right, Okay, we'll be

772
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:50,920
right back. We're back, and we're diving into House of

773
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,559
the Dragon. Uh, first episode of season three and going

774
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:59,079
to your likable point that you said before the break.

775
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,000
This something where I mean, I wrestle with this sometimes

776
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:08,519
because I think the modern complaint about likable characters is

777
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,960
is it can be kind of childish, Like I agree,

778
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,840
there are you know, I don't have to love characters,

779
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,000
Lear King Lear, you know, like you don't need to

780
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,320
love the people that it's you can do great drama

781
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:27,159
about terrible people. My issue with this show is not

782
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,559
that there's no one likable in the show, although it does.

783
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,440
It does drag sometimes because it's like what I mean,

784
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,679
when we were watching Jasarah's sink into the ocean at

785
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,360
the end of this episode, I was like, what the

786
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,199
fuck man, everybody's so goddamn stupid in this show.

787
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:48,199
Speaker 2: They're either stupid or they're evil or both, and that that.

788
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: Can be I guess My point is there's no fun,

789
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:54,760
asshole there's no fun asshole on this show, is there?

790
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 2: There? Really isn't. Everyone is just sneeringly.

791
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: Awful or stupid or delusional. And this is something I

792
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,039
want to get into. Allison. I think I hate that

793
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:12,119
character the most out of all of them, because the

794
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,000
show insists on trying to give her nuance and it's like, no,

795
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,039
I'm sorry the one tear rolling down her face as

796
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,920
her fucked up son tries to make out with her,

797
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,840
and I'm like, lady, this is a result of twenty

798
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,920
five years of you making horrible, horrible decisions for yourself

799
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,079
and for your family, and I'm supposed to feel sorry

800
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,519
for you that all of your monster children are making

801
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,719
your life hell. And she's like worried about whether her

802
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,400
plan is going to worry. I'm like, you're horrible. If

803
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,920
the show would just let and that's the thing, like

804
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:52,119
let one of them be evil bitch, like awful, horrible bitch.

805
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,519
But instead it's like, well, let's find nuance, right, And

806
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:00,639
then you have ray Nira, who I mean, I don't think.

807
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 2: She's particularly likable either.

808
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:05,519
Speaker 1: That's not a problem. My problem with Rhanira isn't so

809
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,119
much that she the show tries to make her more

810
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:11,360
new ones than she is. Is that the show doesn't

811
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,320
seem to want to unpack how goddamn stupid she is, like,

812
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,159
come on, you're stupid. At the point where she's like,

813
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,599
we're just gonna fly in and take over, and her

814
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:23,519
whole counsel is like, no, that's a terrible life, she's like, no, no,

815
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:25,519
it'll be great, And I'm like, why am I watching this?

816
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: Moral? But if you die? Why am I watching you?

817
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:28,920
You're so stupid?

818
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,199
Speaker 1: This is my problem. It's not I don't need you

819
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,480
to be likable. I need you to be entertaining. And

820
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,639
you're stupid and you're evil, and neither one of you

821
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:39,679
are fun to watch.

822
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:43,199
Speaker 2: It's a shame because these are two main characters the

823
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,320
whole story rests on, right, and they're female characters, which,

824
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,079
you know, you would want female characters to be a

825
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:53,719
little more a little stronger than that, with you know,

826
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:56,079
with a little more power than that. But it feels

827
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:59,039
like they they kind of know what they want, but

828
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:01,519
they always rely on the man of the show.

829
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:03,119
Speaker 1: You know, that's the point.

830
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: Maybe that's part of the book, Maybe that's part of

831
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:07,840
the story. You know, that's how it is. Uh, But

832
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,480
at the same time, I don't know, I feel like

833
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:11,760
they could be a little more manipulative, I don't know,

834
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,000
in a in a more powerful way. I don't know.

835
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: I mean like you certainly saw that on Game of Thrones.

836
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,000
You it was women working within the same system, right,

837
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:23,480
who were smarter about wielding power than these two women,

838
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:26,840
who are actually two of the most powerful women in

839
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,480
wester Rows. Why are you two such fuck ups? Why

840
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:31,599
are you so dumb? Why do you get caught up

841
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,239
in these brands that everyone around you was like, no,

842
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,960
don't do that, that would be stupid. That's my problem

843
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:42,400
with the show. It's not it's not that it's unlikable

844
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,360
people doing terrible things. It's that it's it's it's uninteresting

845
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,480
people doing dumb things.

846
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: That's really it.

847
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,639
Speaker 1: It's uninteresting people doing some things.

848
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it always making bad decisions in general wage and

849
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,159
you feel like you, you know, and it's a little

850
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,119
disappointed because you' I feel like they're smarter than that.

851
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,400
As character, I don't know.

852
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: Now.

853
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:07,079
Speaker 1: I do want to say, for instance, because I brought

854
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:10,360
up the dragon seeds, there is clearly an attempt to make,

855
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:14,599
especially a character like Olf sort of humorous and funny

856
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,639
and this roguish sort of asshole, and I have no

857
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,760
problem with that. In fact, I would want more of that.

858
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,280
I also like she was only in it briefly this episode.

859
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,880
Alice Rivers, who plays the Witch, Oh right, right, I

860
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:31,880
like that's another character who's like quirky and weird and

861
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:34,079
kind of entertaining to what like, if you give me

862
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:38,719
those characters, I'm fine, you give me, I'd listen. I

863
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,960
really like Matt Smith. I was a huge fan of

864
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:45,239
his doctor who and I actually I don't hate this

865
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,719
character or this portrayal of this character. He's just very

866
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,039
one note. You can't do anything with that character except

867
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,239
be a sneering, violent asshole all the time.

868
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,639
Speaker 2: That's all he is, and that's all he is, and

869
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:58,079
it's like.

870
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 1: Well, I again, Game Thrones did a better job. Game

871
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,440
of Thrones was full of assholes and bitches, and it

872
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:07,760
did a better job of making all of those assholes

873
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,280
and bitches entertaining to watch. You didn't have to root

874
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,840
for them, you didn't have to like them, but you

875
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,800
couldn't wait to see what they were going to do next.

876
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,599
And I enjoyed this episode more than I thought I

877
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,519
was going to going into it because it's so well

878
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:25,400
written and well directed and well acted, but the story, Like,

879
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:29,119
I ultimately I don't think you can dress up this

880
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,280
story any more than they have, Like that's it. This

881
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:37,320
is the story. Dumbass, inbred people who are evil fighting

882
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,079
over something that you know no one would want them

883
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:41,280
to have.

884
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because a lot of the fans of

885
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:48,519
the book loved the battle, of course, because they were

886
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:51,039
waiting for it and it was beautiful. I mean, it

887
00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:53,639
was insane, and the fact they were saying why didn't

888
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:56,039
they have it into the second season but apparently becasing

889
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:57,440
and what they didn't have the budget for it. It

890
00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:58,159
didn't have the budget.

891
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: It was a strange way to open a season because

892
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,320
you were plunged right into all these storylines immediately and

893
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,360
then suddenly there's a big battle. It really was kind

894
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,159
of that would have been a great season finale to

895
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:10,719
be honest.

896
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: Yes, but they didn't have the budget. Apparently they had

897
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,800
to wait until season three. But I do enjoy like

898
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,280
Lorid Corrus the whole you know, fighting with with what's

899
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,679
her name, Schiroco Lohar.

900
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: That's another one, who Abigail Thorne, who is awesome. Yeah,

901
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,719
give me characters like that, Like, she's clearly not a

902
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,800
likable person, she's clearly not an ethical person. I don't

903
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,639
have to root for her, but I don't know what

904
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,639
the hell she's going to do next. And that's the

905
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,480
kind of stuff I want to see on this show.

906
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,639
Of course, they killed her off, but right they yah, yeah, yeah,

907
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,199
so we'll see. It's just, it's all, it's constantly watching

908
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:55,559
idiots do idiotic like just Sarah's just Sarah's sinking into

909
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:57,039
the ocean at the end, and I'm like, am I

910
00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:58,960
supposed to be upset that he died? I'm more upset

911
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,679
than is his dragon died. But that's actually upsetting when

912
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,280
you watch that him, I don't give a ship. You're

913
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,559
an idiot. You're just an idiot. You're an in Well

914
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:09,800
he's actually not inbread.

915
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,199
Speaker 2: They are mostly idiot.

916
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: It's well, no one's standing on principal, no one's fighting

917
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,039
for a cause you're all just inbred idiots and they There.

918
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: Was also a lot of talk about Rain and the

919
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,159
dragon that she was not prepared.

920
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,119
Speaker 1: To Again, yeah, I get it, she's young, but also,

921
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,239
you you dumb ass, you dumbs you flew that thing,

922
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,119
that nuclear weapon that you can't control roughly into a.

923
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:40,159
Speaker 2: Battle, and he was like killing everybody.

924
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:44,119
Speaker 1: What I'm like, oh, poor Rhina, I'm supposed to feel sorry.

925
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,519
Speaker 2: For that, you know, apparently in the book is somebody

926
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:51,320
else writing, Yeah, he's a more interesting character, right, Yeah.

927
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: And Matt Damon's character sleeps with her, but I know

928
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,599
in this version she's his daughter, but of course that

929
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:01,920
wants pop him from sleeping wether. So who knows.

930
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: What else?

931
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:10,119
Speaker 1: Let me think we did the dragon Seeds. We did well,

932
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:15,079
there's a whole story right near Allison's oh oh agon

933
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,480
and Laris fleeing.

934
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: Yes, yes again again.

935
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,079
Speaker 1: All he had to do was bend the knee and

936
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,320
they would have been fine, but that idiot quick knew it.

937
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,239
And I'm like, all right, well, please someone behead this morn,

938
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,480
Please take his head off. Having said that, I do

939
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:36,000
think those two are actually kind of entertaining to watch.

940
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,440
And I have no idea where this stuff is going.

941
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I did read all of the Wikipedia entries on these

942
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:46,960
characters and this storyline two years ago when the show

943
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:49,760
first came out, and I have a general sense of

944
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,960
where things wind up, but specific characters, no, I don't

945
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,280
know where they're going to wind up. You know, so

946
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,000
I don't know what's happening with those two. But there

947
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,800
are two characters. I'm like, all right, fine, I'm fine

948
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,760
with seeing where you guys take this.

949
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:05,199
Speaker 2: And there's a king who fled very I mean, that's

950
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:06,239
what I'm talking about. That's the one.

951
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the one I think aimon the one who's

952
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:14,360
declaring himself king. Now, I think that guy's great. Iwin

953
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,760
Mitchell Ewan Mitchell the actor, and he's clearly doing a

954
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,079
riff on Matt Smith.

955
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,599
Speaker 2: Like, but that's the thing.

956
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: It's well, you're almost identical characters. You're literally almost identical,

957
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:27,000
and your performances are exactly the same. So I'm like,

958
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,039
you know, I get it right, you're in bred family

959
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:32,840
and so you're you know, you all kind of look

960
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,599
alike an act alike. But he's not one of my faves, right,

961
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,599
and not because he's evil. Same thing with uh, Sir

962
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,440
Christen Cole Fabian Frankel. I think they made that guy

963
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:46,480
such an asshole that there's I'm like, well, why am

964
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:48,960
I watching you? And again this comes down to I

965
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,719
don't need you to be likable. I need you to

966
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,440
be funny or entertaining or wild or something, and he's

967
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:58,679
just this sour in celt who seems to hate women,

968
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,360
and they gave him sword.

969
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: I think that's what's a show missing. Like Game of Thrones,

970
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,559
I remember, you had the battles, you had the fights

971
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:08,840
and families and all that, but you also had some humor,

972
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:14,320
you know, constantly, constantly lines and some just high adventure,

973
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:18,599
just fun, adventurous stuff. But you need a break every

974
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:21,880
now and then. It can't be just you know, very

975
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,519
much by the book as it feels like that. But

976
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,400
they are taking some I don't know, they're they're not

977
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:34,280
following the book entirely. There's sometimes they're they're going and

978
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,199
doing something different. That's what I that's my understanding. So

979
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,760
we'll see. I as you said, I want to watch

980
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,679
the show. I haven't read the books. I mean, if

981
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,719
you read the books, that great. I'm actually jealous of

982
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,599
the people who read the book. But I don't feel

983
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:50,280
like I have to read the books to enjoy a show.

984
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,400
I just want to enjoy it. I'm in it.

985
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's well act. That cast is. It's

986
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:58,760
a really good cast, even if I don't think the

987
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,320
writing gives them as much to do as I would like.

988
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,360
It's beautifully directed, and there is some incredible dialogue in it,

989
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:13,239
so there's quality all throughout this show. But I think

990
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:18,280
the story itself, it's just it's flawed. Like there's only

991
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,480
so much you can do with a story like That's

992
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,159
you know, George R. R. And Martin wrote these stories

993
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,320
self contained. You read them all and you were done

994
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,159
two weeks later or whoever long it took you. But

995
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,360
to drag a story like this out over years and

996
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,599
years and years to a television series, it's kind of

997
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,599
relentless and numbing.

998
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: I think it's a challenge to water down something and

999
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:43,360
then stretch stretch it out for so long.

1000
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: This story is not that complicated, it's hard to do.

1001
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:49,639
And like I said, when Alison was, you know, walking

1002
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:51,400
into the Throne room trying to figure out what she

1003
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:52,599
was going to do, and I'm like, yeah, I don't

1004
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:55,480
care because you're so dumb. You're so dumb. Every decision

1005
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:58,639
you have made was either dumb or evil, and just

1006
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:02,280
years of watch you and trying to make you much

1007
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,079
more interesting or new ones and you're not. You want

1008
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,199
power for yourself and for your family. Raniera wants power

1009
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,159
for herself and for her family.

1010
00:53:11,679 --> 00:53:12,079
Speaker 2: That's it.

1011
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,679
Speaker 1: You can't make it more interesting than that. Anyway, I'm

1012
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,360
in it. I'm in it for the rest of the season.

1013
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,159
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

1014
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,679
Speaker 1: If if this season goes south for whatever reason, if

1015
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,159
like then I might not come back to it, because,

1016
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,840
like I said, I'm only I'm not hanging on by

1017
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,000
a thread. But I am hanging on and we'll see.

1018
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:35,079
I just think Night of the Seven Kingdoms showed me

1019
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:36,400
a different way of doing things.

1020
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.

1021
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: Anyway, the construction is starting up next story, Yes, so

1022
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:44,239
we should probably wrap things up. We will be back tomorrow.

1023
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:48,119
We're watching The Bride, very excited for that for the

1024
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:50,480
Bitter Kitten Movie Club. And we'll be back next week

1025
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:54,159
with more on the next episode of House of the Dragon.

1026
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,039
Whatever else cross our eyes or crosses our desk, we'll

1027
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:01,000
be I screwed it up, Okay, love you mean it,

1028
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:01,440
but ba