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Speaker 3: We've already kind of talked about it in our look
Speaker 3: back at the remarkable career of sid. He kind of
Speaker 3: disappeared in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 4: From the WWF. Yes, yeah, it's very weird.
Speaker 3: And we last we're with our hero here on our
Speaker 3: tribute TLF style to Sid, who, of course we lost
Speaker 3: this year. We had listened to the audio of him
Speaker 3: dropping the WWF Championship to Undertaker at WrestleMania thirteen, which
Speaker 3: of course was his second title run, and then after
Speaker 3: that we hit you with the deep dive of his
Speaker 3: winning the championship over Brettbart on the February seventeenth, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety seven Raw, and it just seemed like, all right,
Speaker 3: Sid has now arrived. He's won the championship twice. He's
Speaker 3: now a firmly ensconced main event player. He's going to
Speaker 3: be around for a while, especially as WWFRE constitutes its
Speaker 3: image and tries to go more attitudinal and features him
Speaker 3: and things like the Raw is War opening package and
Speaker 3: all of that. And then he's gone. And you were
Speaker 3: really keen to point it out. I wasn't sure as
Speaker 3: if we went you would forget this or not recall it.
Speaker 3: But you remember the last time we saw Sid on
Speaker 3: WWF television.
Speaker 4: I do it, you know, because I, uh, just because
Speaker 4: what happened for me was I It's not because I
Speaker 4: remember it from being when I was watching back then.
Speaker 4: It's rewatching the raws more recently within the last like
Speaker 4: I don't know, probably eight eight, seven, eight years, whatever
Speaker 4: it is, because I saw the show. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: watching every war and then you know, he just vanishes
Speaker 4: kind of after you know, I think he fast pay
Speaker 4: per view was King of the Ring and then he's
Speaker 4: just kind of gone. And then a few weeks later,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, he comes out as maybe Steve
Speaker 4: Austin's one of Steve Austin's potential partners for Canadian Stampede,
Speaker 4: and it was one of the most jarring things I'd
Speaker 4: ever seen.
Speaker 3: Tell me why, Tell me why?
Speaker 4: Because you know, as a fan, I just kind of
Speaker 4: accepted the fact that he was just gone, you know,
Speaker 4: that he was gone whatever. And he disappeared after King
Speaker 4: of the Ring and that was it, and so and
Speaker 4: even then he was I don't think I remember him
Speaker 4: being featured too much on TV, and so to see
Speaker 4: him come out and not really do anything, it's just
Speaker 4: an appearance, like his music hits and he comes out
Speaker 4: and poses, but that's it, and then he's gone, and
Speaker 4: that's kind of it. Like it's just a weird to me.
Speaker 4: It's it's like it's like Vader being in in the
Speaker 4: WW like way into ninety eight more than he should have,
Speaker 4: right than I'm comfortable, right more than you know, because
Speaker 4: you're like, are you serious? Like Vader was there and
Speaker 4: it's like, wait, Sid was still there, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Right here, I am thinking that this was a big
Speaker 3: enough impact player that if he did anything on WDWF
Speaker 3: television I would remember, not there would be eight months
Speaker 3: after my last memory of the guy where he was
Speaker 3: actually still on television, right, And I definitely Sid fits
Speaker 3: that category. But you know that justified tribute show in
Speaker 3: Lapstom because you remember these things, of these these fleeting appearances.
Speaker 3: There are so many other wrestlers I'm sure that made
Speaker 3: appearances months after their last one and then disappeared into
Speaker 3: the night that we never think about again. But for Sid,
Speaker 3: it just seemed significant that he was missing. Was it
Speaker 3: was a noticeable absence, and like you said, he sort
Speaker 3: of popped his head back up one more time, very
Speaker 3: and much the same way he did in nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: six for the International Incident replacing Ultimate Warrior. Right here
Speaker 3: is that are preparing a multi person a tag team
Speaker 3: main event for in your house in July. The next year,
Speaker 3: his name is in the sauce again for Team USA,
Speaker 3: and I invite you to consider it because we've done
Speaker 3: Canadian Stampede. It's of course one of the best WWF
Speaker 3: pay per views of all time and so reflective of
Speaker 3: what was going to happen, absolutely and what the reflective
Speaker 3: of what was about to happen with Stone Cold taking
Speaker 3: off is the unquestionable top man in the business and
Speaker 3: the guy that would reverse the WWF's fortunes. But I
Speaker 3: invite you to consider. I invite you to consider Psycho
Speaker 3: sid being on Team USA at Canadian Stampede.
Speaker 9: I don't know how I feel about that, right.
Speaker 4: It kind of doesn't feel right like he feels because
Speaker 4: he's not someone I mean, not that Austin is either.
Speaker 4: But Austin's feud wasn't really about Canada versus the USA.
Speaker 4: He was just he was just picking on the hearts.
Speaker 4: But like l od theyre USA, you know, Chicago, you
Speaker 4: know the whole fucking thing, Shamrock.
Speaker 3: And gold Dust.
Speaker 4: Who was it was?
Speaker 3: Who Ken Shamrock and gold Dust?
Speaker 4: Ken Shamrock. Yeah, I guess I can kind of see
Speaker 4: that gold Dust. I can't really see although he's Hollywood,
Speaker 4: So I don't know, but he's definitely a stretch, But
Speaker 4: I think more of a stretch would be said, because
Speaker 4: he's a fucking loner, you know, that's his thing.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, And whatever you try to place him in
Speaker 3: a group or a stable or in a bodyguard position,
Speaker 3: eventually he'll find a way to break out of that
Speaker 3: and it'll be someone's bright idea to give him a
Speaker 3: singles run toward the war title. And that's just name
Speaker 3: the organization he's ever been put into a tag team
Speaker 3: or a group scenario with. But I don't know. It's
Speaker 3: just it's such a significant landmark show in that team,
Speaker 3: as bizarre and motley crue as it was supporting Steve
Speaker 3: Austin at Canadian Stampede is so kind of burned in
Speaker 3: the memory and in the history that it's wild to
Speaker 3: think about SID being in there and how that might
Speaker 3: disrupt the dynamic, because the one thing you can say
Speaker 3: about Team USA at Canadian Stampede is Steve Austin was
Speaker 3: by far and away the brightest shining star in the.
Speaker 4: Bid Fay side, no question.
Speaker 3: But if SID was there, I wonder if that dilutes
Speaker 3: the intensity in the real sort of concentration of energy
Speaker 3: into what Steve Austin was doing.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I maybe, but I do feel like Stone.
Speaker 4: I feel like Austin at that point was such a
Speaker 4: fucking a spark plug that he would not have allowed
Speaker 4: Sid to overshadow him. Yeah, you know, like I think
Speaker 4: he would have. Fucking I think he would have. He
Speaker 4: would have found holes in Sid and fucking exploited them.
Speaker 3: And if there's one thing we've learned about Sid by
Speaker 3: this point in his wrestling career is he's not going
Speaker 3: to stick around very long if he doesn't get the
Speaker 3: impression that he's not authoring, sort of like the gait,
Speaker 3: He's not somebody that can lay claim to drawing the house.
Speaker 3: Even if WWF is struggling, so to speak, not so much.
Speaker 3: I mean, the ticket sales aren't great, but they're nowhere
Speaker 3: near where they were ninety five and into ninety six,
Speaker 3: come nineteen ninety seven. But still the television ratings, as
Speaker 3: we've documented so many times, including that raw where he
Speaker 3: won the title, just so impossibly far away from Nitro
Speaker 3: that it just seems like it's a feutal effort. They
Speaker 3: might as well just stop trying on Monday nights, and
Speaker 3: for Sid, you know, when he looks around and he's
Speaker 3: being put in a scenario where he doesn't feel like
Speaker 3: he's a single guy that can draw the house and
Speaker 3: take credit for the house and call himself a draw,
Speaker 3: that means something to him. That's kind of sure to
Speaker 3: hear him talk about his career that ended up being
Speaker 3: why he was in the business. Of course, it's it's
Speaker 3: mostly about money, but for him, like if he's not
Speaker 3: able to lay claim to filling a house, then he's
Speaker 3: not going to be able to maximize the amount of
Speaker 3: money he can make. He's he said, before, you know,
Speaker 3: I've been I've been in this business in such a
Speaker 3: way where I'm making a lot of money but not
Speaker 3: drawing a lot of people, and it just doesn't satisfy me.
Speaker 10: Mmm.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't give me what I come to really
Speaker 3: want out of pro wrestlers, which is really interesting considering
Speaker 3: the movie he's about to make, which of course completely
Speaker 3: subverts that notion. But it's what I think what he
Speaker 3: basically means is when he's been in WWF, he's he's
Speaker 3: slotted as somebody that can that can be somebody who
Speaker 3: is associated with the main event such that you can say,
Speaker 3: you know, Sid made evented this show, so this business
Speaker 3: has something to do with him. In WCW. In the
Speaker 3: second run too, to a large degree, it was always
Speaker 3: so muddled, like.
Speaker 4: Was it Sid? Yep?
Speaker 3: Sure Sid was in the main event, but the guy
Speaker 3: he wrestled had a million other people he was feuding with,
Speaker 3: and this match thread through, you know, Sting versus the Horsemen,
Speaker 3: whatever the case may be. When you go back to
Speaker 3: that Halloween havoc that he that he headlined for the
Speaker 3: first time. So it's it's not a surprise. I don't
Speaker 3: think that if what they have creatively for Sid is
Speaker 3: that he's going to join a Team USA with somebody
Speaker 3: else the helm that he's gonna it's gonna get a
Speaker 3: bad taste in his mouth about it. Now, what's great
Speaker 3: about a tribute show is we picked subjects where, like
Speaker 3: you said, there's this nagging curiosity like what the hell
Speaker 3: happened to said in nineteen ninety seven he went from
Speaker 3: mainaventing WrestleMania to m hmm, completely disappearing. And you know,
Speaker 3: unless you do kind of a close examination of what
Speaker 3: he said about his career and what was said contemporaneously,
Speaker 3: you don't really understand where he went and why he
Speaker 3: only popped his head up a couple more times in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven. Right, but I think in our next
Speaker 3: chapter here in the Sid Tribute, it's time to do that, boss.
Speaker 4: Oh please.
Speaker 3: It's really wild how he does so little on WWF
Speaker 3: television for Russelemnia thirteen too the summer, but how much
Speaker 3: actually happens behind the scenes with him.
Speaker 11: I love it, just you.
Speaker 3: Know so many further variations on the theme of oh,
Speaker 3: Sid's getting another opportunistic injury, A cinek might say, you.
Speaker 4: Know, you know here, this is what I picture too, Okay,
Speaker 4: of course I picture him. You know, he's back. You
Speaker 4: know he comes to TV every week whether or not.
Speaker 4: No he doesn't. He certainly doesn't. He's not to go
Speaker 4: to TV, but he does it on his own. He
Speaker 4: feels like, you know, he he he chooses to go.
Speaker 3: I will be at the TV that you don't tell
Speaker 3: me to be at.
Speaker 4: Right, right, Sid, Look, Powet, we don't need you to
Speaker 4: be at TV. I'll be there on time, but I
Speaker 4: believe it. With bells on, yep. And I just picture him,
Speaker 4: you know, I picture him just kind of like coming
Speaker 4: in there with with his his roller bag, and he's
Speaker 4: wearing jeans like a tucked in a short sleeve you know,
Speaker 4: plaid shirt all right, and he's wearing a baseball hat yep.
Speaker 4: And he's kind of like walks in like he owns
Speaker 4: the fucking place, doesn't talk to anybody, just fucking walks in.
Speaker 4: But people are like, what the fuck is I supposed
Speaker 4: to be here? Right?
Speaker 3: He's not supposed to be here, right, and sid walks
Speaker 3: in with the look of somebody that's oblivious to that,
Speaker 3: but deep down he's excited to have a fight about it.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: It is someone who acts like he wants to avoid arguments,
Speaker 3: but he can't survive without getting into a little verbal
Speaker 3: tussle with people on the regular. That's his whole strategy, honestly.
Speaker 3: You know when when when he feels like his position
Speaker 3: on the card isn't going to be one that it's
Speaker 3: going to let him take credit for houses and maximize income,
Speaker 3: particularly in the WWF you know pay system, where your
Speaker 3: position on the card really does impact your your take
Speaker 3: home before everyone had the guaranteed deals downsideals, he's looking
Speaker 3: at this landscape and he's like, no, Nope. You know,
Speaker 3: if I'm not, if I'm taking a step down from
Speaker 3: the main event, something's going to go wrong. I'm going
Speaker 3: to force an argument. I'm going to force myself to
Speaker 3: take exception with something I'm pitched creatively, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be gone. It goes back to the Crusher quitting every
Speaker 3: summer so we can take the take the summer off,
Speaker 3: having an argument with verne Gana and over the years you're, Okay,
Speaker 3: he's just gonna do this because he wants an excuse
Speaker 3: to not have to work the summer. I get it,
Speaker 3: and would see it. It was it was injuries and he
Speaker 3: always you know. The best thing is like he says,
Speaker 3: ask hardcore Hally about the nineteen ninety five neck injury,
Speaker 3: and then you read Rli's book and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: is lying. It's like I asked, I asked him Sid,
Speaker 3: and the answer isn't exactly.
Speaker 4: What you're anticipating. How do you know he's not lying?
Speaker 3: Sid thought he had alibis.
Speaker 4: I do have alibis. I have many buys people by
Speaker 4: shows for me right because I'm Sid.
Speaker 3: I have many buys. By the way, have we gotten
Speaker 3: the the returns in from WrestleMania yet, Yes, the least
Speaker 3: bought WrestleMania of all time. I would introduce you to
Speaker 3: the WrestleMania you headlined that couldn't even beat w c
Speaker 3: W one censored WrestleMania.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sid was a big draw man. He knew how to draw.
Speaker 3: That's one thing you can say about him. No, that's
Speaker 3: one thing you can say about him. You can say
Speaker 3: a lot of things about the guy, and that's why
Speaker 3: you're paying tribute to him, But that's one thing you
Speaker 3: cannot say about him, that he was a draw.
Speaker 4: That's so incredible.
Speaker 3: Ye, And we'll get more into that as we go here.
Speaker 3: But again, there are so many things happening, because if
Speaker 3: you recall after WRESTLMINGI thirteen for the April show in
Speaker 3: your house show.
Speaker 4: And that was what one was that that was holding
Speaker 4: and hell's me Revenge of the Taker.
Speaker 3: Revenge of the Taker. And do you remember, of course
Speaker 3: that's a Brett Steve Austin rematch. Yes, we talked about
Speaker 3: that in the nineteen ninety seven journey available in the archives.
Speaker 4: But yes, do you recall that.
Speaker 3: At first it was to be Brett versus Sid at
Speaker 3: Revenge of the Taker. No, ladies, and gentlemen, I didn't
Speaker 3: know that. Consider a world where Brett comes off the
Speaker 3: win over Steve Austin and the famous post match angle
Speaker 3: at wrestlming He thirteen, Sid comes off the loss to Undertaker,
Speaker 3: and Sid and Brett interfewed. Not Austin and Brett.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, in a weird way, it
Speaker 4: would make a little bit of sense. Although you know,
Speaker 4: here's the thing. This is the thing about that while
Speaker 4: while I don't I can see that as being, yes,
Speaker 4: a thing, But what I would what I would think
Speaker 4: would happen, is that Brett would face Sid and Austin
Speaker 4: would cause Brett to lose in some fashion.
Speaker 3: Oh, certainly Austin wouldn't exit the picture. But the idea
Speaker 3: of going right back to the match and what that
Speaker 3: meant for the trajectory of Brett and Austin in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety seven would have been totally different.
Speaker 4: If I mean, maybe, you know, I don't really think
Speaker 4: of that match as being a thing that really did
Speaker 4: much to their feud. Yeah, that you know the I mean, listen,
Speaker 4: I agree like the fact that they had a rubber match,
Speaker 4: although it wasn't really rubber match because Austin lost both
Speaker 4: but I think.
Speaker 3: I'm getting is the reason you don't think of that
Speaker 3: as a big landmark part of the feud is because
Speaker 3: it wasn't in the plants.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: It was cobbled together because Sid fell off the card.
Speaker 3: They had even promoted it a couple of times on
Speaker 3: television that Brett and Sid was going to be a
Speaker 3: match on this show. But I just think when we
Speaker 3: when we construct the Steve Austin Breheart story from Survivors
Speaker 3: series ninety six all the way through ninety seven, Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is a this is a part that if you
Speaker 3: switched out this match, you'd wonder, like second third order effects,
Speaker 3: how that might differently affect the way these two developed.
Speaker 3: Because the fact of the matter is after Revenge of
Speaker 3: the Taker they had clashed again, Brett and Austin had
Speaker 3: gotten their hands on each other again after the blood
Speaker 3: bath at WrestleMania, and if that had been delayed two
Speaker 3: three four months, you wonder how differently it would have
Speaker 3: felt when Austin just kept pouring it on as opposed
Speaker 3: to getting back into the ring.
Speaker 4: With the man.
Speaker 3: But that's another example and a motif that's developing as
Speaker 3: we go through Sid's career of a guy who is
Speaker 3: sort of like in the background, and his little maneuvers
Speaker 3: are having a big impact not on his ability to
Speaker 3: draw money, but on the programs that do end up
Speaker 3: drawing money, and the wrestlers who do draw money end
Speaker 3: up in the positions they ended up in because of
Speaker 3: Sid's many decisions and pivots. So it's a rather rich
Speaker 3: year of nineteen ninety seven, though just sitting home watching
Speaker 3: wrestling television every week, you would not know it as
Speaker 3: it regards Sid and the moves he's about to make.
Speaker 3: As the Attitude Era is about to begin, and we're
Speaker 3: dawning on another holiday season around here, Boss, Am I
Speaker 3: wrong about?
Speaker 4: The halls are decked, the the atmospheres where it should be.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a it's a it's a downer of
Speaker 4: a beginning of the season. So it's, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: we we need something, We need something to kind of
Speaker 4: pick up our pick up our spirits. So we decorated
Speaker 4: way early this year, uh, for Christmas, and it's it's
Speaker 4: feeling wonderful the way it should be.
Speaker 3: And we're coming off the conclusion of the Mighty tlf
Speaker 3: X games. Yes, we are as lapsed Vince as most
Speaker 3: of the smart money would have predicted on the front end,
Speaker 3: but you know, subjected to a fair, open and empirical vote.
Speaker 4: I do wonder. I do wonder this. I do wonder
Speaker 4: if Hogan, if Hogan had been on the other the
Speaker 4: other side, Yep, I think that would have been a
Speaker 4: very very that would have been a closer, because I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure if if you did have Hogan and Vince
Speaker 4: on opposite sides, it would have been kind of easy
Speaker 4: money that that's going to be the main event.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be the main event. But
Speaker 3: let's not forget the people had their chance to vote
Speaker 3: on Vince versus Hogan and it wasn't even close.
Speaker 4: No, I know, but I think when it comes to
Speaker 4: but it's not the finals though, yeah, you know, like
Speaker 4: if it was the finals.
Speaker 3: I think Vince crushes him by the same margin if
Speaker 3: no kidding.
Speaker 4: Interesting, I don't know, I'm not sure. I think the
Speaker 4: finals mean a different thing. I mean, I think, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it would have been I
Speaker 4: think it would have been a different ballgame.
Speaker 3: Very interesting, And you know, weigh in with your thoughts.
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Speaker 4: He does have he has two mail sacks.
Speaker 3: Actually, Santa's gonna have to sit down and get through
Speaker 3: a lot of letters from young boys and girls, I
Speaker 3: think before he takes off on Christmas Eve. So oh,
Speaker 3: let us know all about your thoughts on the King
Speaker 3: of the Caste. It started with thirty two participants and
Speaker 3: we want to send our great appreciation to Russ and
Speaker 3: so many members of the Solar System who will make
Speaker 3: this such a fun way to celebrate ten years of lapstom.
Speaker 3: It of course came down to lapsed Vince and lapse Nash.
Speaker 3: And on the day where we elected our next president,
Speaker 3: Vince McMahon is elected King of the cast Now you
Speaker 3: tell me that there's not something larger going on there.
Speaker 3: Just from a timing standpoint, we certainly did not plan this,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, right before us lay an allegory,
Speaker 3: if you will.
Speaker 4: It was yeah, yeah, it actually you know it when
Speaker 4: it kind of came, when it kind of came to be,
Speaker 4: I felt kind of like, um, wait a minute here,
Speaker 4: like this feels actually maybe a little wrong.
Speaker 3: Is Vince about to take the victory podium at a
Speaker 3: time when someone else is about to take the victory podium.
Speaker 3: That's going to replace the US attorney that's running the
Speaker 3: DOJ investigation into Vince McMahon, and we'll probably kill it
Speaker 3: where it stands.
Speaker 4: I believe that I have. I believe that I've elected
Speaker 4: myself president, and that's how I roll. It's gonna be
Speaker 4: the United States of Vince McMahon, the US.
Speaker 12: V M.
Speaker 3: Linda for Commerce Secretary.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, definitely something of that nature.
Speaker 3: Because you guys know about commerce, after all.
Speaker 4: Well we we you know, we are commercial enterprise, so
Speaker 4: we know commerce. We know you know, we believe in uh,
Speaker 4: consumers better and and consumer motivation as well as any
Speaker 4: number of of you know, different you know, dynamic metrics
Speaker 4: of them, of corporate and business and monetary nature.
Speaker 3: This American work period, period period. I don't think much
Speaker 3: more needs to be said. Lapsed. Vince crowned King of
Speaker 3: the cast on election day twenty twenty four, and again
Speaker 3: great thanks to everyone who helped make it possible, everyone
Speaker 3: who voted and participated, and I think it all ended
Speaker 3: up where we thought it would. It's one of those
Speaker 3: things where you tell yourself that the reality might not
Speaker 3: be what it appears to be, and then of course
Speaker 3: it was. Of course it was all along. Did you
Speaker 3: think Jesse had a chance, did you think anyone did
Speaker 3: you expect lapse on Ash to be there?
Speaker 4: I listen, it went down to It went down pretty
Speaker 4: much how I envisioned it would when I kind of
Speaker 4: played it out in my in my brain when the
Speaker 4: brackets were first released, I said, it's I thought there
Speaker 4: were possibilities that you know that that Hogan or Vince,
Speaker 4: you know that that to me, what could have been
Speaker 4: a toss up? Same thing with Jesse Nash. But I
Speaker 4: figured it was either going to be Did you call
Speaker 4: Jesse early? I did call Jesse early on, but I
Speaker 4: did think to myself, like, it's going to be one
Speaker 4: of those two either way. I don't know who will
Speaker 4: come out on top if it's Nash and Jesse, but
Speaker 4: I knew it would be one of those two guys.
Speaker 4: At the end, I did think about it might have
Speaker 4: been Jesse, but there's always you know, Nash is always
Speaker 4: kind of lurking in the back.
Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing stuff. It was great that someone that was
Speaker 3: inserted late in the process after the first draft of
Speaker 3: the Brackening was done and lapsed. Heel and Heart made
Speaker 3: it all the way to the final four with the
Speaker 3: solar systems Yep, yep, speaking up for what needs to
Speaker 3: be spoken for. And another character that you thought, you know,
Speaker 3: because they are your favorites, they're somebody else's favorites. You
Speaker 3: realize that that's not how the country runs. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 3: people like Vince always end up winning. That's really not
Speaker 3: more complicated than that.
Speaker 4: Because here's the thing. I'm untouchable, and why are you untouchable?
Speaker 4: Because I am a master of things. Okay, I'm a
Speaker 4: creator of things. I help the economic machine.
Speaker 3: Any chance, Vince, after all these all these blemishes on
Speaker 3: your name, all these actions against your person and your
Speaker 3: reputation fall by the wayside, what at a time, and
Speaker 3: things get settled and wallpapered over and dropped cold, any
Speaker 3: chance you walk back out there onto that stage and
Speaker 3: let everybody know what you think of them once and
Speaker 3: for all. Does TKO need to prepare? Does Mark Shapiro
Speaker 3: and others not Mark Shapiro triple h I'm talking about now,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the h the TKO boardroom.
Speaker 4: You know, Look, I am a white billionaire.
Speaker 3: Okay, Mark Schapiro said he just had lunch with you,
Speaker 3: that it wasn't anything more than that. I thought it
Speaker 3: was strange that after what happened, I let me tell
Speaker 3: you this, all right, the ballot box that he came
Speaker 3: out and said that. But yeah, I just want to
Speaker 3: about what you thought about it.
Speaker 4: You've got TKO, all right, you got t KO sooner
Speaker 4: than later that company is going to be called VKM. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that because that's who runs the ship.
Speaker 3: Have we only just begat? Who have we only just begun?
Speaker 4: Makes the decisions?
Speaker 3: What's going to happen to triple H?
Speaker 4: Triple H? I mean, you know, there are there are
Speaker 4: times when you see your children who are progressing in
Speaker 4: a way that you're like, yes, you know this is
Speaker 4: a pot you know this is good, this is good.
Speaker 4: And then you know, sometimes they start to make wrong decisions.
Speaker 4: Then that means they have to die.
Speaker 3: So you're saying, you're Jared Kushner isn't going to be
Speaker 3: part of your your administration.
Speaker 4: I will say, And when Daddy is back at the
Speaker 4: head of the table, huh, the real head of the table,
Speaker 4: there's going to be a rearranging of the chairs.
Speaker 3: And Stephanie and Ivanka and Jared and Paul are going
Speaker 3: to find themselves having an awful lot in common something I'm.
Speaker 4: Going to find myself's new children, new children who understand
Speaker 4: that my decision is always the best one. My decision
Speaker 4: is the way things need to be. My decision is
Speaker 4: for America.
Speaker 3: So I hope your disposition as is as sunny as
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Speaker 3: As we start thinking about what to put under the tree,
Speaker 3: I think we're already worried, boss about where to put
Speaker 3: the stuff we've already gotten.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I don't even know where to begin.
Speaker 3: We are joining you here on this lapse tribute show
Speaker 3: to sid this regular main feed show, if you will,
Speaker 3: for the first time since gathering around the aforementioned sorrow hearth, Yes,
Speaker 3: for the twenty twenty four TLF Christmas Show taping. We
Speaker 3: know what you have done. We've taken stock, we know
Speaker 3: what it has done to us. We've taken inventory, we've
Speaker 3: seen it all, we've recorded it all. Of course, it's
Speaker 3: going to be a doozy of course, yes, you know
Speaker 3: what podcast as you locked down with the appropriate holiday
Speaker 3: spirit this year, and we can't wait too unload it
Speaker 3: on the Solar System and much the fashion that we
Speaker 3: did last year. But suffice to say, we sat there
Speaker 3: as if someone had shot us in the head in
Speaker 3: our comfy sofa chairs, with all of the generosity of
Speaker 3: the Solar System and the creativity of the Solar system
Speaker 3: and the tenderness and thoughtfulness of the of the Solar
Speaker 3: system resting at our very feet next to the fire
Speaker 3: and Boss. I don't know if people deserve what we're
Speaker 3: about to unload on them.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's something, you know. The people who gave gifts,
Speaker 4: they know what they gave and they know, you know.
Speaker 4: But when you put it all together, when you put
Speaker 4: everything together, when you put the setting, when you put
Speaker 4: in the uh, you know, the unscripted nature of things. Yes,
Speaker 4: you know that is our show. There is a it's
Speaker 4: it's a really it's a crazy motherfucking thing. It is
Speaker 4: a crazy motherfucking thing. And you guys are going to
Speaker 4: be I imagine you're going to be pleased, surprised, and maybe,
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe mortified too.
Speaker 3: We did what had to be done. You in the
Speaker 3: Solar system who sent gifts, did what had to be done,
Speaker 3: and it's a smashing, smashing success. That's all I can say.
Speaker 3: That's all I can promise here as we celebrate ten
Speaker 3: years of Lapsed with our upcoming our third unwrapping Yes
Speaker 3: coming in December to the main feeds.
Speaker 1: The Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast the wrestling podcast that knows
Speaker 1: the boys need their candy. It's the Lampsed Fan. He's
Speaker 1: a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and and JP Soro.
Speaker 3: Having just done that, having just gathered together as we
Speaker 3: love to do around this time of year, it being
Speaker 3: fresh in our minds, it's just impossible not to to
Speaker 3: give some voice too. How that all left us feeling.
Speaker 3: And let me tell you, folks, and you'll hear it
Speaker 3: during the show. We've got to figure out a plan here.
Speaker 3: We've got to figure out a plan because I don't
Speaker 3: know if you think we live in four hundred thousand
Speaker 3: square foot mansions or what, but I know there aren't
Speaker 3: enough storage lockers in the county to account for the
Speaker 3: excess that's rained down upon us. Not a clue what
Speaker 3: to do with most of it. So appreciative that people
Speaker 3: took the time, but my goodness, I don't know. It
Speaker 3: might be we might have to start talking about regifting
Speaker 3: around here.
Speaker 4: Boss, I will sell it. I think that might be,
Speaker 4: uh might be something that needs to be done. It's
Speaker 4: it's such a I mean, I wish I wish people
Speaker 4: could have seen the atomic bomb that went off in
Speaker 4: my my you know, family room.
Speaker 3: Well, they'll they'll get a taste on our socials because
Speaker 3: we were we were active with the photography or in
Speaker 3: the course of this thing. But it's there's no substitute
Speaker 3: for standing in that room and just seeing the paper
Speaker 3: and the refuse and the and seeing the pain, seeing
Speaker 3: the pain. You know, you said to yourself, all right,
Speaker 3: there's this many boxes that have come to the post office.
Speaker 3: This is great, there's this many gifts. No, you open
Speaker 3: the box, there's sixteen things in there.
Speaker 4: I know. That's that's that's the thing. You know, you
Speaker 4: kind of forget. It's not just one thing in a box.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of things in a box.
Speaker 3: It's postmodernism in a box. You're damn fucking right now.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a TLFX. Miss you already know what
Speaker 3: it is, and you know where to be, and you
Speaker 3: know to pour a tall glass of eggnog.
Speaker 4: Before you do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yes, coming your way tlf twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: Christmas Show and also coming your way, the conclusion of
Speaker 3: the epic TLFX defining Carnies are Forever Journey under the sinning.
Speaker 4: Yes, got two more left, two more left? All right?
Speaker 4: We have we have of course, invaded the Daniel Craig
Speaker 4: era of the Bond, the most recent era of Bond.
Speaker 4: I mean, I want you to know something, you know
Speaker 4: we're going. I can't. I'm not sure. I don't know
Speaker 4: if we've ever gone this close to Like I'm trying
Speaker 4: to think of a movie that we saw we would
Speaker 4: have done cinemat that was very very close, only within
Speaker 4: a couple of years of lease from when we did it.
Speaker 4: You know, I think this might be the closest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is getting very close. I mean because Terrifier too, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Terrified too, was it?
Speaker 4: For sure? Terrify two? For sure. That's a good point.
Speaker 4: I didn't even think about that. That's just because reason
Speaker 4: I'm trying to take that on my mind, because that
Speaker 4: was last year. Yeah, right, so but uh yeah, like
Speaker 4: it's kind of I guess maybe what's so interesting to
Speaker 4: me is the fact that you know, we've gone from
Speaker 4: way in the past, We've gone from the sixties all
Speaker 4: the way to now and uh yeah, we've got two
Speaker 4: more left and uh you know we close out this
Speaker 4: uh this wild and unpredictable. And I mean, if if
Speaker 4: if you like, if you like movies, if you're a
Speaker 4: James Bond fan and you're not signed up for cinemat
Speaker 4: I'm telling you what what happened was. First of all,
Speaker 4: there are so many wrestlers that have been redisc covered
Speaker 4: I'll say that rediscovered within this journey. And also, it's
Speaker 4: not just the story of Bond, it's the story of individuals. Yes,
Speaker 4: it's the story. I mean, there are so many players
Speaker 4: in and there have been so many threads that have
Speaker 4: been told over the course of this series that even
Speaker 4: I wasn't expecting. I had no idea, like the certain areas,
Speaker 4: I had no idea we were going to be telling
Speaker 4: basically talk about the downfall of MGM Studios. I had
Speaker 4: no idea that we're going to be doing that, right.
Speaker 4: I had no idea that, you know, there would be
Speaker 4: this guy Kevin mclory who would end up being a
Speaker 4: thorn in everybody's side, and you know, and watching the
Speaker 4: rise and fall, and I never I'll tell you what
Speaker 4: I never. I never thought that I would find Roger
Speaker 4: Moore to the most fascinating individual of all time.
Speaker 3: It's it's so full of revelations. As someone who's not
Speaker 3: a cinophile, sitting in the spectator seat, sitting in the
Speaker 3: passenger seat as boss Man drives the flip side of
Speaker 3: what your custom to here in the main show. I
Speaker 3: am just so amazed at how interested I find myself
Speaker 3: in the minutia of these films and franchises. And it's
Speaker 3: not just the wrestler, as I suspected when we started
Speaker 3: under the Cinemat all those years ago, that draws me in,
Speaker 3: but it's equal parts. Just the way the dramas of
Speaker 3: Hollywood echo the dramas of wrestling exactly back a certain
Speaker 3: amount of time, there's no difference. You know, you talk
Speaker 3: about Cauliflower Alley Club and you talk about the heritage
Speaker 3: of wrestlers kind of sharing the same fraternity towards the
Speaker 3: turn of the century with actors.
Speaker 4: Yep, it becomes.
Speaker 3: Really fascinating to think about how closely intertwined they were.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's two p's of the same pod, yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure. And that pot is under the Cinemat, good
Speaker 3: damn right, And it's available for the Executive Producer tier
Speaker 3: and above. Over at patreon dot com slash the Lapsed Fan,
Speaker 3: where you prove you're either just along for the ride
Speaker 3: or you're helping to author what we've been doing for
Speaker 3: ten years. Take the pride of ownership. That's where we're headed, folks.
Speaker 3: If you don't own something, no one takes you seriously.
Speaker 3: So have some ownership stakes in this cast by putting
Speaker 3: fuel into the engine instead of just standing on the
Speaker 3: side of the road with your arms folded expecting everything
Speaker 3: to operate perfectly without you having to lift a finger.
Speaker 4: Not up, not up.
Speaker 3: And it's not like we don't give you something in return.
Speaker 3: We give you the smash hit under the cinemat. So
Speaker 3: many critically acclaimed things coming in on this Bond series
Speaker 3: and all just kicked it into a new gear this year. Frankly,
Speaker 3: I mean, scary movie season was phenomenal. Christmas movie season
Speaker 3: is coming up. There really isn't a better time of years.
Speaker 4: It's we get some some great stuff for Christmas movie season.
Speaker 4: Well maybe not great stuff, but it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3: Great, great in the way that we've accustomed you to
Speaker 3: think of great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: And and there aren't tallmount we shy away from climbing either,
Speaker 3: but the small mountains can be equal parts. Is fun
Speaker 3: just as your accustomed to on the main feed. You
Speaker 3: know how it goes the shows that you care least
Speaker 3: about are some of the most revered TLF episodes.
Speaker 4: I mean every every every show has a story that's right,
Speaker 4: no matter how big, no matter how small.
Speaker 3: We don't give a fuck. We don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3: Bring any set of facts to us and we'll put
Speaker 3: it through the process and you'll be glad we did.
Speaker 3: And that is doubly the case. Over at patreon dot com,
Speaker 3: Slash the Lapsed Fan were not only do you get
Speaker 3: under the cinemat but if you have the courage and
Speaker 3: the resources to join that tip top mote tier, the
Speaker 3: premiere select Group, our ride or dies, as I like
Speaker 3: to say, the folks that are like, not only is
Speaker 3: what you guys do good and worthy of money, but
Speaker 3: you know I want to be I want to be
Speaker 3: in the infantry with you guys. You know I want
Speaker 3: to I want to be next to you holding a
Speaker 3: rifle as you do what it takes to survive in this.
Speaker 4: Podcast, want to be on the front line, in the
Speaker 4: front lines.
Speaker 3: When you think about it, you think about how much
Speaker 3: of a cliche it became in recent years. Everybody is
Speaker 3: a podcast. Everybody is a podcast. It doesn't mean anything
Speaker 3: to have a podcast. Well, over here, it does.
Speaker 4: Yes, it does.
Speaker 3: Over here, it does.
Speaker 4: Want to tell you what this is the difference though, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what, Everyone can have a fucking podcast. You're
Speaker 4: absolutely right, every're gonna have a fucking podcast. But I'll
Speaker 4: tell you what. It doesn't matter that you have a podcast.
Speaker 4: It matters what you do with the podcast and go
Speaker 4: all right, And there are a lot of fucking ham
Speaker 4: and eggers out there who just have one. And you
Speaker 4: know they Number one, two, things will happen, Okay, either
Speaker 4: they're either they're gonna they're gonna stop because they they
Speaker 4: they nothing happens fast enough, which is always bullshit to
Speaker 4: begin with. All right, nothing ever happens fast. Okay. Number two,
Speaker 4: they you know, they become guest reliant and they can't
Speaker 4: find guests, and then you're gonna fail, all right, and
Speaker 4: you're gonna quit because you don't put the work in
Speaker 4: the actual work, and the actual work is hard shit. Yes,
Speaker 4: it's time consuming. Yes, it's stressful.
Speaker 3: Because you did a podcast because you think it would
Speaker 3: be cool to have a podcast, not because you must
Speaker 3: have a podcast. We must have a podcast. Yes, we've
Speaker 3: been told this for too many years, even before we
Speaker 3: started the show, and it might not have been a
Speaker 3: podcast per se that they were calling for, but folks knew,
Speaker 3: Folks who observed the dynamic knew that there was a
Speaker 3: community for this stuff. And the proof points just keep
Speaker 3: flowing in year after year, incremental by incremental. The returns
Speaker 3: are in, and the returns are looking decidedly positive. And
Speaker 3: so patreon dot com slash the lapsed fan is where
Speaker 3: to go to prove that you're worth the shit in
Speaker 3: a world where unless you're coming out of pocket, you
Speaker 3: you barely exist.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: And we don't write the rules, but we certainly play
Speaker 3: by them. And the mote tier, as mentioned, not only
Speaker 3: do you get that extra panache from your co chair
Speaker 3: is not only are your nearest and dearest to our
Speaker 3: heart when we're thinking about special events and things that
Speaker 3: we want to make exclusive to you folks out there
Speaker 3: in the Solar system, exclusive access to your co chairman.
Speaker 3: Like our phone calls between each other when a wrestler
Speaker 3: passes away, that's mode only. Also mode only, it's getting
Speaker 3: on the living room carpet with Mama sorrow ah yes,
Speaker 3: and watching the matches of your and just hearing a voice.
Speaker 3: It's really like it's as if you had an Alexa
Speaker 3: in your house that's downloaded. Yep, what every mom and
Speaker 3: dad has ever said, every kind of subtly disapproving mom
Speaker 3: and dad has said to their sons and daughters that
Speaker 3: are wrestling fans, and just watch it, watch it sing
Speaker 3: like a symphony and going directions you never could have anticipated.
Speaker 4: It's it's a reminder as to in a way, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a reminder of really the shame and pain it
Speaker 4: is being a wrestling fan. Okay, that's what it is.
Speaker 4: It reminds you that that that uh, you know, what
Speaker 4: you're watching is uh, you know, it's it's harmful to yourself.
Speaker 3: And it's certainly not something that even if you watch
Speaker 3: it your whole life, that your parents are ever going
Speaker 3: to really understand. And by you know, insert parents, everybody,
Speaker 3: polite society, yes, anyone you'll ever run into for the
Speaker 3: rest of your life, you know, has no one.
Speaker 4: Let me let me tell you this, no one's going
Speaker 4: to think more of you for being a wrestling fan.
Speaker 3: Not everybody will think less of you. But you're exactly right,
Speaker 3: no one will think more of you.
Speaker 4: I I challenge anybody to just you know, you meet
Speaker 4: somebody new for the first time and tell them you're
Speaker 4: a wrestling fan and watch how far they distance themselves.
Speaker 3: Oh really, there, it is so like you're talking about
Speaker 3: like w w oh okay, okay, okay, okay, that's why
Speaker 3: we're here. Where the corner you retreat to when it's
Speaker 3: like God, yeah, in trouble, I'm trying to I'm out
Speaker 3: there in the real world and they're looking at me. Well, look,
Speaker 3: there is something wrong with you. But this is how
Speaker 3: you deal with it. TLF is how you deal with it.
Speaker 3: And we'll send you back out of that corner and
Speaker 3: fighting shape with vasoline on your cuts and your mouthpiece
Speaker 3: firmly affixed and hopefully the blood flowing as it should
Speaker 3: in those cramped up legs. So Wrestle Mamia is a
Speaker 3: great way to get in touch with the kind of
Speaker 3: thing we're talking about. As the Boss Man watches all
Speaker 3: manner of matches from the archives with Mama Sorrow in
Speaker 3: the room, commenting things that are on the minds of
Speaker 3: people who haven't been wrestling, brain addled with the course
Speaker 3: of their lives. And we say this because we're part
Speaker 3: of it, We're inextricably part of it. We say it
Speaker 3: not to cast judgment we say it to just have
Speaker 3: our eyes wide open about the company we keep as
Speaker 3: these long time obsessive wrestling fans, so then we know.
Speaker 4: You're out there too.
Speaker 3: The Christmas Show proves it, Patreon proves it. It's a
Speaker 3: wonderful thing. So join us for Wrestle Mamia and the
Speaker 3: Moteer if you find yourself so inclined and find yourself
Speaker 3: in receipt of the resources to do so as we
Speaker 3: close out twenty twenty four in the year and with
Speaker 3: the holidays upon us. Of course, if you've got a
Speaker 3: lapsed fan in your life, there really is no excuse
Speaker 3: as far as schwag availability.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck yeah.
Speaker 3: I walked down in your basement when we were recording
Speaker 3: the Christmas Show, or after we recorded the Christmas Show,
Speaker 3: and I laid eyes on it for the first time.
Speaker 4: What did you see?
Speaker 3: I laid eyes on the TLF Letterman jacket. Yes, you did,
Speaker 3: and the fashion of the black and red raw is
Speaker 3: war jacket that Vince and Jr. Started wearing wearing right
Speaker 3: around the time we're arriving at in our sid tribute,
Speaker 3: by the way, and I.
Speaker 4: Looked at that thing, good point.
Speaker 3: I observed the craftmanship. I observed how the letters were
Speaker 3: raised off of the fabric. I observed the the leather
Speaker 3: texture of the red sleeves, and I just I was
Speaker 3: just flabbergasted by the quality.
Speaker 4: It's a beauty. It's a real beauty. You know, we
Speaker 4: geta I gotta find a place to take it out
Speaker 4: for for a test drive. But yeah, it is a beauty. Yeah.
Speaker 3: If there's some if you're looking for something premium for
Speaker 3: the TLF fan in your life, and if they're you know,
Speaker 3: if they have kind of like the aesthetic that fits
Speaker 3: with that, look, man, this is the ticket. This is
Speaker 3: what Dicky has come up with over at Chopped Teas.
Speaker 3: Our Chopped Tea store is just off the chain. But
Speaker 3: Letterman jacket, isn't just it that that's available on kind
Speaker 3: of a limited run basis for premium price. I would
Speaker 3: suggest to you at some point it won't be a
Speaker 3: purchase option because these aren't these these aren't cheap to
Speaker 3: put together. This is high quality craftsmanship that Dicky is
Speaker 3: facilitating here. But there's a lot of other stuff, non
Speaker 3: T shirt stuff like hoodies and caps and jackets, and
Speaker 3: then you.
Speaker 4: Know, and he's also been able to take some of
Speaker 4: the items that yes, that haven't been able to to
Speaker 4: cross the line over at over at pro wrestling teas.
Speaker 4: So you know, some of the stuff that you know,
Speaker 4: like the the the new warlorder shirt that I made
Speaker 4: ten years ago, the design that I made ten years
Speaker 4: ago that just you know, because of because of you know,
Speaker 4: any kind of copyright issues, no one knowing you know,
Speaker 4: they were progressing t's wasn't able to do. But it's
Speaker 4: available now over it chopped, so you know, stop ticking around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no excuse. And progressing t's is very much
Speaker 3: worth mentioning because that's of course our full gallery of
Speaker 3: every T shirt in particular that we've ever come up with,
Speaker 3: and progressingts dot com Slash the Lapse fan is a
Speaker 3: place to go for you know, let's face it, the
Speaker 3: key piece of wardrobe for any self respecting wrestling fans
Speaker 3: the black T shirt.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck yeah. I mean listen, we cater to the
Speaker 4: black T shirt.
Speaker 3: That's how you know, Like, if you're driving around trying
Speaker 3: to find a wrestling venue, that's how you know you're
Speaker 3: on the right block because you see two blocks worth
Speaker 3: of people wearing double x or single XL black T
Speaker 3: shirts lined up.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, triple XL quadruple XL as well,
Speaker 4: and with what around their shoulder, usually a championship belt
Speaker 4: because they on something somewhere is there the champ right,
Speaker 4: it's not because they it's not because they They're they're
Speaker 4: carrying a phony belt that means absolutely nothing on their shoulder.
Speaker 3: And then with that visual, I I you know, I
Speaker 3: developed some internal comfort that I found my destination. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, as I locked my car door,
Speaker 3: I look down at my shoes and I do a
Speaker 3: quick exhale, and I shake my head and I walk
Speaker 3: towards my people once again.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: And we look forward to seeing everybody when we're out
Speaker 3: and about in the wrestling world. But there's no better
Speaker 3: way to fly the flag and please send us on
Speaker 3: social and stuff. We love when people go to wrestling
Speaker 3: shows wearing stuff from Pro Wrestling t's. It's always such
Speaker 3: a treat to see people fly the flag. I'll never
Speaker 3: forget the homie Scott Suddy in the front row of
Speaker 3: an aw show. Oh I love it, grabbing his laps
Speaker 3: fan logo T and just like what I need, forcing
Speaker 3: it into the foreground. Oh God, what pride that's sent
Speaker 3: through through our veins. So Pro Wresting ts dot Com.
Speaker 3: And I want to give a special shout out to Andrew.
Speaker 3: Andrew is somebody who recently took us up on our
Speaker 3: Sids Vanna's line. In tribute to Sid and his proclivity
Speaker 3: and his mission really to send as many cases of
Speaker 3: Vienna sausages to his church in Memphis as he possibly could,
Speaker 3: we've developed a line of Sid's softball Vienna T shirts. Yes,
Speaker 3: he was passionate about the Viennas and so are we.
Speaker 3: And I want to thank Andrew for putting down real
Speaker 3: American currency to purchase the cenn Sid's Vienna's T shirt
Speaker 3: Overpro Wrestling dot Com. Salute to you, sir, and I
Speaker 3: hope you wear it with pride and wear it with
Speaker 3: joy this holiday season. Well that's that's important business. But
Speaker 3: it's yes, it is, it's business. Nonetheless, let's get into
Speaker 3: a little bit of fun, shall we. Let's get back
Speaker 3: into where Sid stands in nineteen ninety seven. So he's
Speaker 3: dropped the championship to the Undertaker at WrestleMania, right yep.
Speaker 3: And you wonder, you know, because for Sid, it's always
Speaker 3: like they gave me the belt because they believed in
Speaker 3: me and I was going to go on a run.
Speaker 3: And of course it's never that. It's always said, you'll
Speaker 3: be a good placeholder until we get to the people
Speaker 3: we really want to build around, which will never be
Speaker 3: you at large part because you have certain limitations as
Speaker 3: a performer, and we never know when you're going to
Speaker 3: just completely up and disappear on us or you know,
Speaker 3: oversleep the Royal Rumble ninety seven press conference where we're
Speaker 3: trying to fill the fucking Alamodome.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get my stuff done.
Speaker 3: And so were we, and that's why I have.
Speaker 4: You don't understand I have responsibilities. Yeah, I do understand.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm kind of.
Speaker 13: I have responsibilities outside of yours. I need to accomplish things.
Speaker 13: I have accomplishments that rely on my attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're not quite accomplishments before you accomplish them.
Speaker 3: But I do understand what you're trying to say.
Speaker 4: That's what they think you do.
Speaker 3: That's why the sentimentation is so good, because he would
Speaker 3: plub the syntax that way, you would have to be like, well,
Speaker 3: I kind of get what he's saying. But do you
Speaker 3: think sid went into WrestleMania expecting to lose the championship.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he did. I'm sure he went in there
Speaker 4: thinking that there's no way he's losing the championship.
Speaker 3: Here he is in one of his many shoot interviews,
Speaker 3: this one with our video, talking about his mentality going
Speaker 3: into Chicago that night and the end of the title
Speaker 3: reign that began on the show we last covered for
Speaker 3: you on the sid tribute was you know, I was.
Speaker 12: Told again, once I get to go back, as long
Speaker 12: as I was doing good business, that we were going
Speaker 12: to keep it on. I got to WrestleMania, it was
Speaker 12: dropped to me, I was gonna drop it, So I said, okay,
Speaker 12: finally me.
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 3: That's the only God knows what the story is behind
Speaker 3: that pregnant pause.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean that was definitely like what what, how
Speaker 4: am I going to share this story?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Maybe because you found out that you you know, what
Speaker 4: do he say? Like, they're gonna keep me champion as
Speaker 4: long as him drawing money.
Speaker 12: I was told again, once I get the belt back,
Speaker 12: as long as I was doing good business, it was
Speaker 12: dropped to me, I was going to drop it.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't understand you're telling me I'm dropping the.
Speaker 3: Belt tonight, yes, said it's kind of an obviousness.
Speaker 4: Said yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's just the
Speaker 4: way we got to do things. I don't understand. You're
Speaker 4: telling me right now that I have to drop the belt.
Speaker 4: You said that I did not have to drop the belt. Well,
Speaker 4: what I said was you didn't have to drop the belt.
Speaker 4: We wouldn't take the belt off you unless it was
Speaker 4: you know, as long as you were doing good business.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I'm saying. So why are you taking
Speaker 4: the belt off me?
Speaker 3: If we told you ahead of time that we're to
Speaker 3: take the belt off of you, you wouldn't have showed up.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 4: I mean. There's that, and I mean said, I mean
Speaker 4: to be frank about it, and you're not doing good business.
Speaker 4: Business is down with you on top.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is on track, on track for the
Speaker 3: lowest bought WrestleMania of all time.
Speaker 4: Just sorry, What the hell are you saying? Are you
Speaker 4: saying that I'm a draw? Are you saying that I
Speaker 4: didn't pack the house with those fans out there?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Shut up.
Speaker 4: I want you to look me in the eye. I
Speaker 4: want you to look me in the face. Mcmn.
Speaker 15: I want you to look in the eyes of Sid
Speaker 15: and I want you to tell me that I am
Speaker 15: doing bad business.
Speaker 4: Said, you're doing bad business.
Speaker 8: You understand what it means to be the master at
Speaker 8: the road of the world.
Speaker 3: That really good And sham Michael's shamacho.
Speaker 8: He goes away with his damn leg is damn me
Speaker 8: and his smiles gone around the back.
Speaker 4: Of his head.
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about Sid smile.
Speaker 4: You haven't worry about Sid smile.
Speaker 8: My smile stays right. Words should be on my mouth now,
Speaker 8: not getting from.
Speaker 4: Here here, not in the back of my head like
Speaker 4: sham Michael's.
Speaker 8: My smile and on the back of my head like
Speaker 8: sham michaels.
Speaker 2: Let's fucking go.
Speaker 4: I don't know why you're telling me. Fix it, man,
Speaker 4: You tell me right now. You're telling me right now
Speaker 4: that I don't have what it takes a draw.
Speaker 3: Someone get him a piece of paper and some crayons,
Speaker 3: please and improved.
Speaker 4: If you want to prove that you can draw, I'll
Speaker 4: tell you what they You know, there is a there's
Speaker 4: a daycare center in the building, and they've got crayons
Speaker 4: and markers and construction paper, and you can show me
Speaker 4: if you can draw. But if you're going to do that,
Speaker 4: which I definitely think you should, the one thing is
Speaker 4: they don't allow championship belts in the daycare the beauty family.
Speaker 3: You know, you go to the house and they got
Speaker 3: drawings on the fridge and no, that's so cute. You
Speaker 3: realize most of them are done by Sid.
Speaker 4: I Frank to that.
Speaker 3: No, Dad, you think Frank would get off his ass
Speaker 3: for a second to color a picture of you?
Speaker 4: Out of your mind?
Speaker 3: I got a garage full of Vienna's because of that
Speaker 3: fucking guy. I feel like we ended up with a
Speaker 3: garage full of Viennas by the time the fuck could run, rapping.
Speaker 4: Was over too. Oh, I know seriously, so like I'm.
Speaker 3: Looking down and at inventory that that failed to be
Speaker 3: distributed as originally arranged.
Speaker 4: Uh uh said.
Speaker 3: We're going to keep the belt on you. No, we're not, said,
Speaker 3: why would we do such a thing? That's the story
Speaker 3: with him. It's like I never got the run. We've
Speaker 3: heard it, you know, I never got the chance to
Speaker 3: prove that if you keep the belt on me for
Speaker 3: a period of time, I can be among those top
Speaker 3: drawing champions that you had. And yeah, yeah, they sure
Speaker 3: didn't go with you, because every two months it's like,
Speaker 3: oh this wasn't what I thought it's gonna be. Uh
Speaker 3: my bicep hurts, Like come on, man, what do you expect?
Speaker 3: But yeah, that pregnant pause was so much. You know,
Speaker 3: there's so much more shit he pulled at Mania so
Speaker 3: much more.
Speaker 4: Maybe went into Undertaker's locker room and try to convince
Speaker 4: him to like say, no, you're not gonna take the belt.
Speaker 3: Well, you probably came up with some kakammy thing where
Speaker 3: like you don't do this, I'm not going out there
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's just what I heard in that clip. I thought
Speaker 3: that was fascinating.
Speaker 4: Mark. I want you, Mark, I want you going there.
Speaker 4: You tell them you're not taking the belt. You you
Speaker 4: look me right in the eye. Run now. I want
Speaker 4: you go out there. I want to tell Vinswick man,
Speaker 4: I'm not taking Sid's belt.
Speaker 3: What hits you in the head like a shot?
Speaker 4: Or I'm gonna kick you in your kneecap?
Speaker 3: Wow, whoa, that's a threat. Jeez, how's he ever gonna
Speaker 3: come back from that? It is funny to threaten somebody
Speaker 3: with a very kind of rudimentary blow like a single
Speaker 3: blow like that, not to the face, just to some
Speaker 3: other appendace kneecap. Well, hey, if you kick Mark Kellaway
Speaker 3: in the knees, you could uh incapacitate him.
Speaker 4: Before could he couldn't he could implode, could.
Speaker 3: Just vaporize where he stands. But yeah, it really tasty
Speaker 3: to think about what was on Sid's mind because you
Speaker 3: watch the shoot interviews that he did over the course
Speaker 3: of his life, and they're so meandering, and it seems
Speaker 3: like he's holding nothing back. It seems like he's got
Speaker 3: a he's got like a SOB story for everything that's
Speaker 3: ever happened in his career. Not a SOB story, but
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, it's always like, oh it
Speaker 3: was great, but you know one thing I always bothered me,
Speaker 3: or one thing that really sucked about that whole thing,
Speaker 3: or one thing that really couldn't get over. There's always
Speaker 3: that at the end every time, which I love about
Speaker 3: the guy. I mean, that's that's that's our oxygen here,
Speaker 3: you know, as wrestlers who can't help but let some
Speaker 3: grievance out every time they open their mouth. But for Sid,
Speaker 3: it's just like man if if if in this instance,
Speaker 3: he wasn't comfortable saying what was on his mind in
Speaker 3: that exact moment. I can't imagine when you consider the
Speaker 3: things he does say, the things he does insist on
Speaker 3: mentioning it's a it's it's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's something. If there's something that he's holding back from,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be pretty pretty fucking juicy.
Speaker 3: So coming off Wrestling Maney thirteen, he hits Peoria the
Speaker 3: March twenty fifth taping where he beats Jerry Fox and
Speaker 3: then uh, he goes to Kuwait with the ww OF
Speaker 3: tour in April of ninety seven. You know, they would
Speaker 3: often go to the Middle East, not often, but when
Speaker 3: they did go.
Speaker 4: Isn't it that it's that tour, isn't it? Isn't it
Speaker 4: that tour?
Speaker 3: Isn't what that tour where Vader gets stuck? He nailed it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is the tour where Vader does a morning talk
Speaker 3: show with Undertaker in Kuwait and.
Speaker 4: Is Taker just sits there like a fucking idiot.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we went through this on the nineties
Speaker 3: seven journey. I think yeah, and uh, you know, the
Speaker 3: rest of the host starts implying it's fake and says
Speaker 3: asks if it's fake, Invader gets up and snatches him
Speaker 3: by the shirt and idiot. It's a big international incident
Speaker 3: and they don't want to let him go return to
Speaker 3: the United States and he's going to be charged and
Speaker 3: it's bloody hilarious and Taker has to pretend to still
Speaker 3: be in character the whole time, even though.
Speaker 4: But he's not even like you know, keep in mind,
Speaker 4: this is Undertaker also dressing as right biker Taker, you know,
Speaker 4: big dead Undertaker. Like he's just he's he he's just
Speaker 4: he's sitting there. I mean, he looks not like the Undertaker.
Speaker 4: You know, he looks like two thousand Undertaker. It's very odd.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's odd, I agree, And it's a it's a
Speaker 3: time of great identity crisis for the Undertaker because they've
Speaker 3: put the strap on him. Now he's the man like,
Speaker 3: he's the guy that's going to go around and represented
Speaker 3: Waifs Champion. He's not this side show that doesn't really
Speaker 3: get a lot of media exposure because he's a gimmick
Speaker 3: like no, and now he's got to be the WIF Champion.
Speaker 3: He's going to be doing interviews. He's got to figure
Speaker 3: out how to talk and still be the Undertaker and
Speaker 3: still keep up this k Fabes kept up so long
Speaker 3: with the gimmick and was so well respected for keeping up.
Speaker 3: So I think that's kind of interesting crossroads and that
Speaker 3: whole thing. But yeah, this is the tour and Sid
Speaker 3: didn't want to go on the tour. Of course he didn't.
Speaker 3: As we'll get to he thought it was a wonderful
Speaker 3: opportunity as a matter of fact, to let a lot
Speaker 3: of nagging injuries heal. And he found a way to
Speaker 3: take it very personally that WWF instead of taking what
Speaker 3: he thought was a golden opportunity to take him off
Speaker 3: the road and suffer no ill consequence because there's not
Speaker 3: a lot of US cities that they're going to hit
Speaker 3: during the Kuwait tour to rehab some injuries and let
Speaker 3: him come back when they get back from Kuwait. He's
Speaker 3: doesn't want to make the shot. He doesn't want to go,
Speaker 3: and that they him go anyway.
Speaker 4: And on.
Speaker 3: April ninth of nineteen ninety seven in Kuwait City, he
Speaker 3: loses to Freddie Joe Floyd in Kuwait. Oh really, in
Speaker 3: the first round of the Kuwaiti Cup. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: So this is not the one that I'm mad wins?
Speaker 3: Remember that, didn't they do that the year before he
Speaker 3: won the Kuwaiti Cup.
Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that, and.
Speaker 3: They showed it on TV and played it up this one,
Speaker 3: they hardly been mentioned on television. But but yeah, he
Speaker 3: loses to Freddy Joe Floyd. Hkak Tracy smothers his old
Speaker 3: pal from from Memphis. So I'm sure that wasn't a
Speaker 3: huge negotiation of all the jabbronis to have Sid lose to.
Speaker 3: But you know, when Sid's losing to someone like that,
Speaker 3: or losing in a very quick way, you know, he's
Speaker 3: coming off of having been told he's been a bad boy,
Speaker 3: you know, and this is your punishment lost to Freddy
Speaker 3: Joe Floyd. He's the equivalent of you know, rubbing the
Speaker 3: dog's face in the mess, you know.
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Speaker 3: So it's not going well in that result, I think
Speaker 3: tells you the story and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: what's also in jeopardy? His April match with Brett House
Speaker 3: with Brett Heart at the In Your House pay per
Speaker 3: view Brett House. Yes, all of a sudden, it's a problem.
Speaker 3: April twentieth, nineteen ninety seven, Dayton Daily News headline, Steve Austin,
Speaker 3: not Psycho Sid to be in your House. Wow, it's
Speaker 3: by Alex Marvez. The circumstances entering Tonight's in Your House
Speaker 3: pay per view show may be more interesting than the
Speaker 3: card itself. The World Wrestling Federation was forced to change
Speaker 3: Bretdheart's opponent to Steve Austin after Psycho Said missed a
Speaker 3: Monday night raw show two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Sid told WWF officials he had injured his back, but
Speaker 3: some believe that was an excuse to avoid losing to Heart.
Speaker 3: Considering Sid's shaky track record, that WWF decided it couldn't
Speaker 3: risk billing him on in Your Head House. Austin versus
Speaker 3: Hard is the promotion's hottest feud, but the WWF was
Speaker 3: hoping to save this match until later. Don't don't expect
Speaker 3: a conclusive finish, because neither Austin or Hart can afford
Speaker 3: to lose. And I'm sitting here and I don't remember
Speaker 3: the finish. I think that's probably oh.
Speaker 4: DQ, Yeah, Austin puts Brett Hart in the Sharpshooter and
Speaker 4: the the Heart Foundation comes out and disqualifies.
Speaker 3: Brett like right a Monday night raw finish on pay
Speaker 3: per views, right right, which tells you all you need
Speaker 3: to know about how how not by design? Rematching these
Speaker 3: two a month after Mania?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a shame. It's a good it's a
Speaker 4: decent match too. It's like, oh, yeah, they're not gonna
Speaker 4: do anything you can't have. I mean, you really, you
Speaker 4: can't have a clean finish on you know, that's that's
Speaker 4: your money feud. That that should have been your WrestleMania
Speaker 4: fourteen main event.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we've talked about that, Austin Hart Mania fourteen.
Speaker 3: If the screw job doesn't happen, that's the move easily,
Speaker 3: not Austin Sean. But yeah no, yeah, So what's this
Speaker 3: all about? Sid? I mean, what back injury? All of
Speaker 3: a sudden after your well, you know you told him, right,
Speaker 3: you told him they shouldn't have sent you to Kuwait.
Speaker 4: I said, don't, don't, don't take me to Kuwait. So
Speaker 4: you take me to Kuwait, I get injured? What happened?
Speaker 3: I've done so many jobs to suggest that I don't
Speaker 3: want to do a job I've done more.
Speaker 4: Well, let's let's just let's just let him say.
Speaker 12: Oh boy, Uh, the first injury was a back injury.
Speaker 12: And that wasn't a fucking injury. First of all, it
Speaker 12: was a bullshit, fucking deal, Bruce Piccher, not fucking fat
Speaker 12: ass Jim Ross. My back was fucked up because I
Speaker 12: was taking those suit plexes off that fucking top roade
Speaker 12: for Brett every night, you know, and okay, god, and
Speaker 12: it just seemed like every night my back was landing
Speaker 12: right on that piece of iron or something, and I
Speaker 12: was just totally worked well all right after els Mania,
Speaker 12: I told Vince, I said, I don't want to go
Speaker 12: to that damn Overseas them sorry radio bullsh because I
Speaker 12: know there weren't going to beat people there. And I said,
Speaker 12: it's be a perfect time for me to get my
Speaker 12: back piled up. And I had, uh one day surgeries.
Speaker 12: I had a series of three of my needed to
Speaker 12: do and it was taking an epidural, which is you know,
Speaker 12: a big long need onto your back for cortizone injections,
Speaker 12: which would obliviate the pain for at least a year.
Speaker 12: So when they came back from Overseas, they said well,
Speaker 12: have you got releasing the doctor yet and.
Speaker 14: I said no, I haven't.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 14: He said, well, man, we need to make Monday, not Row.
Speaker 14: It's coming Monday.
Speaker 12: I said, well, I can make it, you know, and
Speaker 12: I'll just go to the doctor when I get back.
Speaker 12: They said, no, we need to go right now to
Speaker 12: the doctor and have a look at you.
Speaker 14: Now. This is before they started the court zone treatments.
Speaker 12: I said, guys, if I could just have a couple,
Speaker 12: I mean, don't worry about my back.
Speaker 14: I'm telling you right now, if.
Speaker 12: I go to the doctor, they were probably don't want
Speaker 12: to do surgery. And I was, you know, I knew
Speaker 12: that that was how fun e stept it was. Then
Speaker 12: I said, what my doctor came get me in today.
Speaker 12: I was leaving to go to the family union for Saturday,
Speaker 12: and I was going to be back Sunday to go
Speaker 12: fly Monday from Monday out Row. So as soon as
Speaker 12: I have the phone, they coming back, like thirty minutes later.
Speaker 12: They actually called my own doctor and Scudy said we
Speaker 12: really needed him in there. Could you please get him in?
Speaker 12: So I said, okay, I'll call you back about thirty minutes.
Speaker 12: Five minutes for my doctor's office weren't in sure enough.
Speaker 12: He said, man, you're like six weeks eight weeks off
Speaker 12: or something. So that I called him back and see
Speaker 12: what I fucking told you, And see that's what started
Speaker 12: my bullshit. There was them two fat fox getting in
Speaker 12: my way to see events, knowing it or not knowing it.
Speaker 12: If he does do it, then that makes him a
Speaker 12: dumb fuck too to take a talent like me and
Speaker 12: just fuck me off like that, because I was willing
Speaker 12: to come back to work without a fucking doctor's release,
Speaker 12: because we all had to do that, and we're all
Speaker 12: going to have back problems, you have to walk around them.
Speaker 12: I mean, it was nice to get those Corrizon shop
Speaker 12: if that's just a doctor's way of making a quick
Speaker 12: fucking cup of way, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 12: gives you temporary relief, they say for one year, but
Speaker 12: after that's going to come back anyway. And the thing is,
Speaker 12: we all know when you've been in the business, loans
Speaker 12: we have, you got an injury, it's gonna go away
Speaker 12: sooner or later, you know what I mean. So if
Speaker 12: you're gonna cry out every injury you have and not
Speaker 12: be at work every night because you got an injury.
Speaker 12: But some people are then you never fucking work. But
Speaker 12: that's where that that injury came in. It wasn't really
Speaker 12: an injury. It was just I needed a little time off,
Speaker 12: and then when I came back, we had the wreck
Speaker 12: and that's when I had the real surgery when I
Speaker 12: didn't invertebrate in my neck. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 12: what reason in the world, but they wanted me to
Speaker 12: have a doctor's release from my back before I came back.
Speaker 12: I guess for whatever reason they wanted to fuck with
Speaker 12: me or something. But I said, then I'll come back
Speaker 12: and then I'll go to the doctor and I'll just say.
Speaker 14: I'm okay and we'll go on heals. Okay, well that's
Speaker 14: what we'll do.
Speaker 12: And like I said, when we talked to your doctor
Speaker 12: said he'll squeeze.
Speaker 14: You in and I said, okay, I didn't want to
Speaker 14: go to the doctor because I know exactly what it said.
Speaker 3: Nice is at least it's not complicated dealing with the guy.
Speaker 3: Huh No, not at all. What the you guys told me.
Speaker 3: If I go here, then but if I did this,
Speaker 3: but if I didn't go there, he's not even open today.
Speaker 3: I'm going to reunion. Fine, I'll go tomorrow, but he
Speaker 3: can't even fit me in. Well, I go my reunion
Speaker 3: just like the what I didn't what? Why why are
Speaker 3: you telling me about your reunion?
Speaker 11: What do you have to do?
Speaker 16: Care?
Speaker 4: Stop it? Stop it?
Speaker 3: I mean what a what a okay? First of all,
Speaker 3: tremendous that he calls Jim Ross and Bruce Richard fat Fox.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, tremendous, absolutely, because I bet what's happening. And
Speaker 3: you can hear a little bit of annoyance in Bruce's
Speaker 3: voice when he did a pod about Sid like in JR.
Speaker 3: While he says diplomatic things about Sid, particularly after his passing,
Speaker 3: and otherwise he doesn't have a lot to say, like
Speaker 3: Sid is not someone who comes up in the books
Speaker 3: he's written and said, is not somebody he wants to
Speaker 3: talk much about, it seems like to me, which is
Speaker 3: weird because he was, you know, head of Talent Relations
Speaker 3: and there during Sid's biggest mischief years.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Can I just say too, By the way, I
Speaker 4: just so I have I'm looking through now because he
Speaker 4: said I don't know how often did he say it
Speaker 4: was facing Brett Hart. I don't know.
Speaker 3: He just said he's taking suplexes all the time. I
Speaker 3: don't know if it was every night.
Speaker 4: I mean, so far the I've only seen three matches
Speaker 4: I've been going through since February of ninety seven. I'm
Speaker 4: on the history of w website and there are maybe
Speaker 4: three let's see here, I got I.
Speaker 3: Think he would take them in the triple threats with Sean.
Speaker 4: Well, they haven't had They had one in January. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then he had three four four steel cage matches
Speaker 4: between March seventh and March ninth with Brett Hart. Besides that,
Speaker 4: he was teaming with Brett Hart. Yes, he and he
Speaker 4: and and Brett. We'll go against Sewn, Michaels and Steve Austin.
Speaker 3: But it's every night, boss, I'm taking super plexes every night.
Speaker 4: Super plex? Are you taking superlexes from your partner?
Speaker 3: So when you see him take a superplex against Brett
Speaker 3: in that cage match after what but shoves down Vincent all.
Speaker 4: That, I mean, I'm sorry, I don't. I just don't
Speaker 4: think that that sid is taking a fucking superplex.
Speaker 3: Well it wasn't an injury. I love this, that bullshit thing.
Speaker 3: It wasn't even injury. Well, was it? Why is there
Speaker 3: a deal then if you're not hurt, like I mean,
Speaker 3: I get it his whole thing, And did you decode
Speaker 3: what he was saying, like what is the case he
Speaker 3: was trying to make kind of He's saying that like
Speaker 3: I just needed to heal from a from a minor problem.
Speaker 3: I don't even call it an injury. And I thought,
Speaker 3: you know, since someone's gonna be in kuwait, I should
Speaker 3: just sit here and fucking rehab. And instead they're like,
Speaker 3: we need you to go to raw uh And you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: but I don't have clearance, and they're like, you need
Speaker 3: to get clearance. This is at a point in time
Speaker 3: when WWF for some reason got very particular about having
Speaker 3: a doctor's okay before someone came back to the ring.
Speaker 3: They're probably afraid of getting sued or something like that,
Speaker 3: i'd imagine. And so Sin is like Sid, Sid's the
Speaker 3: master of this game. Since the master of the doctor's
Speaker 3: closed or who knows what he tells the doc when
Speaker 3: he gets in there. You know, guys, I'm telling you
Speaker 3: he's gonna tell me that I can't work. Just go
Speaker 3: in and said, because you know they're thinking they're doing
Speaker 3: like a third party check and verification on this guy.
Speaker 3: They think they're doing their diligence. Yeah, I mean, what
Speaker 3: are the odds, I said, just goes into the doctor
Speaker 3: and says, Doc, I can't even move.
Speaker 4: I just caid, doc, Doc, I want to ask you
Speaker 4: a question. Yes, just look me the eye. I want
Speaker 4: you to look me in the eye. I want you
Speaker 4: to answer the question, am I able to.
Speaker 11: Go to work?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 9: Before you answer that, answer the answer the damn question, Well,
Speaker 9: should what kind of work do you do?
Speaker 2: I'm a long jumper, That's what I might have put it.
Speaker 4: Well, you see, you're like a long jumper, like like that,
Speaker 4: kind of like an Olympic athlete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I am.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think you should do that. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I can't go to work. Doctor said, So, Doc, did
Speaker 4: you say I could go back to work? I said no,
Speaker 4: I said, no, we cannot go back to work if
Speaker 4: he's that kind of an athlete. Absolutely not.
Speaker 11: How long do I need to rest?
Speaker 4: Doc? Well, I mean, honestly, are you training for the Olympics? Yes,
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 11: How long do I need to rest?
Speaker 4: Well, I'd say you need at least, you know, some
Speaker 4: maybe about two months of rehab. Doc.
Speaker 11: How long do I need to rest.
Speaker 4: I'd say at least four months.
Speaker 3: Awesome at that KFA doctor that's three minutes from his house. Yeah, okay, real,
Speaker 3: a real fresh set of eyes, a real objective observer.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not doubting the guy was hurt, but
Speaker 3: he says it right there in the clip. You know,
Speaker 3: if you took off every time you could argue that
Speaker 3: you're hurting, you would never work, especially back then. So
Speaker 3: it's it's just it's phenomenal. And he's basically to my
Speaker 3: here my ear, accusing Prichard and Ross of you know, saying,
Speaker 3: fuck this guy, like we're gonna catch him in a lie,
Speaker 3: you know, and you don't catch Sid in a lie.
Speaker 3: You don't do it because he's just never gonna He's
Speaker 3: never gonna grant your premise.
Speaker 4: Right exactly, Listen, Sid's always gonna get out of it,
Speaker 4: or he's gonna find a way out of it, exactly.
Speaker 3: Just when you think you've like laid a fact pattern
Speaker 3: bear that calls into question his h his all the
Speaker 3: things that he said with so much conviction, something else
Speaker 3: comes up and he's just like, God, this is just
Speaker 3: gonna go on forever, isn't it unless we just give
Speaker 3: him when he wants, so let's just do that. But
Speaker 3: this is this is it, this is where they completely
Speaker 3: lose patience with him. They've got the strap off him.
Speaker 3: He played the role he needed to play during all
Speaker 3: that messiness with Sean giving up the belt, and now
Speaker 3: there's pretty much we're headed towards zero tolerance policies it
Speaker 3: regards the Sidster and uh and these whole meandering games
Speaker 3: don't don't really hold water anymore. So that's what's going
Speaker 3: on around the April nineteen ninety seven In Your House show.
Speaker 3: Sid also says in the same interview that he had
Speaker 3: never heard of him being booked to wrestle Brett on
Speaker 3: the pay per view, despite it being on the docket
Speaker 3: and advertised once or choice on television. Meltzer reported that
Speaker 3: Sid's been working with a hernie in a disk in his
Speaker 3: back that was caused, you know, by straining and the
Speaker 3: other things talked about, and he says the reason was
Speaker 3: handled so clumsily. This is the Sid Brett match on
Speaker 3: the April seventh, nineteen ninety seven, an episode of Monday
Speaker 3: Night Raw is they literally didn't know about it as
Speaker 3: the show was going on that Sid was not going
Speaker 3: to be able to do the match.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if he'd actually be there on RAW
Speaker 3: or not. So this must be April seventh. Must be
Speaker 3: the Raw that he's talking about that they called him
Speaker 3: and said they'd need him for that. He knew shows,
Speaker 3: and then all the doctor stuff happens, Meltzer reported. Apparently
Speaker 3: Sid left a message at the office over the weekend.
Speaker 3: Nobody was there, and Raw was taped on a Sunday night,
Speaker 3: so nobody knew.
Speaker 4: I think this is where this started. Is that the
Speaker 4: voicemail for nor We talked, Yeah, we did this amazing.
Speaker 4: This is where we did the we started the whole thing.
Speaker 3: It was this missed Raw, unbelievable. And he calls on
Speaker 3: the weekend knowing no one's going to be there, you
Speaker 3: know that whole trick. Yeah yeah, yeah, like telling Holt
Speaker 3: to facts the thing on a Sunday that he's going
Speaker 3: to exercise creative control against a head of bash at
Speaker 3: the beach two thousand, just just to.
Speaker 4: Cover your rent.
Speaker 3: You're ass legally upon Eric Bischoff's suggestion that he'd later
Speaker 3: claimed to know nothing about that, and he didn't think
Speaker 3: to call the building Meltzer reported to let anyone know
Speaker 3: he was hurt. Ends up talking to Evince later in
Speaker 3: the week, and Meltzer was reporting that no word on
Speaker 3: how long he'll be gone. But there's also a lot
Speaker 3: of skepticism at the time to the legitimacy of the
Speaker 3: maladies he.
Speaker 4: Was an injury or some sort. I mean, you didn't call.
Speaker 4: I called, and even if I didn't, I don't need
Speaker 4: to tell you if I called her not right? Well,
Speaker 4: I say, uh, you do kind of. I mean, what
Speaker 4: is there anything we can do to to help you?
Speaker 4: I mean, we listen, we don't want to.
Speaker 3: I mean, let's be honest, pal. Yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: Brett put you over three times in a row. You know,
Speaker 3: now it's time for us to get Brett back on track.
Speaker 3: And it's you know, you gotta, you gotta When when
Speaker 3: can you come back? Because you know Brett needs that.
Speaker 3: You know, Brett needs his win back. Remember the flip
Speaker 3: side of the coin when he was taking power bombs
Speaker 3: every night?
Speaker 4: Said hello are you there?
Speaker 2: Said ship?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 4: Ship? He was listening. He was boyling, is what he
Speaker 4: was doing. I don't answer you face McMahon.
Speaker 2: Oh that's in a shot.
Speaker 1: Oh, don't.
Speaker 2: That's Brett. I to the sid and I want you
Speaker 2: to look me in the eye.
Speaker 4: We're on the phone. Shut up, sadly exactly.
Speaker 8: I don't have to come to work because I had
Speaker 8: the master.
Speaker 2: And the ruler of my world.
Speaker 4: To say that again, yes, that these are all facts.
Speaker 4: I understand that. However, you do you do have some
Speaker 4: contractual dates. I do not have contractual anything. Uh told
Speaker 4: have contract mm hmm is that true? Does he not have? No? No,
Speaker 4: we we we have, we have we have a contract.
Speaker 4: I got right here, Pa, you signed it. I'm looking
Speaker 4: at it right now. I want you is real good?
Speaker 4: Pick man? See it's not the world champion.
Speaker 3: No, yes, woh see, it's real simple.
Speaker 4: See it's real simple. You go around there, you start
Speaker 4: promoting that undertaker, that piece of shit. You go around
Speaker 4: and you're backing up Steve Austin, Sean Michaels, Brett Hart.
Speaker 4: But I want to ask you one thing. How come
Speaker 4: I'm being overlooked and stick man? Is it because I'm
Speaker 4: not a big movie star?
Speaker 3: He goes out of the old promo. He's only got
Speaker 3: like four or five scripts in his head. Really, let
Speaker 3: me guess it's real. Let me let me. Guess what
Speaker 3: I said. The game we play is simple?
Speaker 4: Is this some? Is the game we play simple? I'm
Speaker 4: gonna tell you what's simple? And I ask you again,
Speaker 4: Is it because I'm not a big movie star like
Speaker 4: Hulk Coagan, the Immortal One himself said, I don't really
Speaker 4: care about Hulk Hogan. I know he's over in WCW.
Speaker 4: Is it because I'm the newcomer? Said? You've been in
Speaker 4: the company, I mean, on an office since nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 4: You're not a newcomer anymore. I want you to answer
Speaker 4: this one question, vis Nick Man, I want you to
Speaker 4: ask me if I know shit.
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 4: This is an interesting position, all right, I'm do do do?
Speaker 4: Do you know shit? I don't know shit.
Speaker 17: I don't know you.
Speaker 4: I don't know where I am. And that means I
Speaker 4: don't have to obey and I don't have to sit
Speaker 4: around and do things that you want or that I
Speaker 4: think that I need to do. I'll tell you what
Speaker 4: I need to do. I have got three hundred pounds
Speaker 4: of things Vienna sausages in my garage right now. Uh okay,
Speaker 4: Vietna three pounds. Okay, that's a lot of canned meat.
Speaker 4: Did you say Vietnamese sausages. You're saying Vietnamese. So that's
Speaker 4: not what I said. I got Vienna's, I got Vina,
Speaker 4: I got vienna is coming out of my ass.
Speaker 3: He says it like it's He says it like I
Speaker 3: got I got whooping cough, you know, like I got Vienna's. Look, look,
Speaker 3: I got Vienna's. Like that's one thing you can't say
Speaker 3: about me is that I don't have Viennas.
Speaker 4: If you need me, send me pictures of viennas I
Speaker 4: got them, if I need to prove to you that
Speaker 4: I have all that I have all these Viennas in
Speaker 4: my in my garage because my fucking son doesn't didn't
Speaker 4: deliver them on time.
Speaker 11: Vienna's.
Speaker 3: You talk about what else might they be packaged with?
Speaker 3: In terms of an overall holistic meal?
Speaker 4: What do you I mean Vienna's. It's a that's a
Speaker 4: hearty meal, is it not. It's like top of.
Speaker 11: A serial killer. You're just hoping he doesn't shoot.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you in my experience, Vienna sauage, very hearty meal.
Speaker 4: I see h. What do you what do you exactly?
Speaker 4: Do you do you? Are you calling the police? Exactly?
Speaker 4: Are you so? What exactly I don't know how long
Speaker 4: I can do this. I don't not want Patterson. You
Speaker 4: better call the goddamn cops. I don't know what I'm
Speaker 4: fucking doing here. So what what? What? What would do?
Speaker 4: What would you kind of eat in addition to the
Speaker 4: Vienna sausage? Would you have another, uh maybe a side
Speaker 4: dish or something. So you get a nice cheddar cracker
Speaker 4: and you put the viennas on side on top, you know,
Speaker 4: in between, you make yourself a sandwich about to drink,
Speaker 4: about to drink? Said, wow, you have a beverage to
Speaker 4: kind of wash down me a Vienna sandwich? I just
Speaker 4: get bow water. It's all these a ball of water,
Speaker 4: I'll say you would if you really want to make
Speaker 4: it a successful meal, a meal that will draw fans
Speaker 4: every single time, Well, this is what we need, we need.
Speaker 4: I guess we should start doing na Vienna sandwiches to
Speaker 4: fans and arenas. I guess they draw people. You can
Speaker 4: get all right, if you really want to make it
Speaker 4: a full meal, you get yourself a moonpie, I say,
Speaker 4: moonpie with Vienna sandwiches and a bah wah wah. Do
Speaker 4: you get that one bah wah wah ball water? So Bruce,
Speaker 4: he called you a fat bitch.
Speaker 18: Any comments at this point, it's a lot of skepticism
Speaker 18: because again Sid had everybody's number, He had Vince's home
Speaker 18: phone number. Vince isn't that hard to get in touch with.
Speaker 18: So everybody's got the booking sheets. You can let everybody know.
Speaker 18: So that's the that's the part where the bullshit flags
Speaker 18: go up and you just think, Okay, Sid doesn't want
Speaker 18: to play anymore, and that that was the feeling.
Speaker 10: It just was damn it well. But also there was
Speaker 10: a feeling of relief.
Speaker 18: That well, we got WrestleMania out of it, we got
Speaker 18: the we got everything on taker, and.
Speaker 10: We're moving forward. So that was the feeling.
Speaker 18: Man, if a guy, thing that we wanted to do
Speaker 18: was make sure the guys were taken care of. Also,
Speaker 18: we had to take care of the company. So if
Speaker 18: you come in, it was a changing in times in general,
Speaker 18: where you say you're hurt, Okay, we need you to
Speaker 18: get checked out by a doctor, find out what's wrong
Speaker 18: with you, find out what it is that you need
Speaker 18: to do to correct the problem. Once you do that,
Speaker 18: we also need a doctor to release you and say, yes,
Speaker 18: this person is in good physical condition. To be able
Speaker 18: to go out and compete and be a part of
Speaker 18: the show.
Speaker 10: That's what we did.
Speaker 18: So if that is getting in his way, then yeah,
Speaker 18: we got in his way. But we're taking care of
Speaker 18: the company. We're taking care of business because just the
Speaker 18: business was changing. Couldn't just take someone's word and say, yep, okay,
Speaker 18: I'm clear to go now after you've told me, and
Speaker 18: after you've got a doctor say no, you're not good.
Speaker 18: So it was I think it was the first time
Speaker 18: that he was really being challenged on some of these things.
Speaker 10: And if that's the case, then that's case.
Speaker 3: You were saying, boss.
Speaker 4: Well, so he says like, oh, we got you know,
Speaker 4: we at least we got it on you know, we
Speaker 4: had WrestleMania. We got WrestleMania from him, and we got
Speaker 4: the belt onto It's like, wh why didn't you give
Speaker 4: the bell to take her fucking in February at the
Speaker 4: final four? Then yeah, that was your big problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's it's an interesting call. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think probably started to be a good match for
Speaker 3: WrestleMania they were going to do. I think one of
Speaker 3: the things we figured out doing this whole thing is
Speaker 3: that they were going to do Sid Undertaker title or
Speaker 3: no title at WrestleMania, right, right, So if you're going
Speaker 3: to do that, if it's going to be a championship
Speaker 3: match all of a sudden, might as well have Taker
Speaker 3: win it at Mania instead of Final Four. I guess
Speaker 3: that was always supposed to be the show to figure
Speaker 3: out what to do without Sean there and bridge the gap.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so this is you know, to hear Bruce
Speaker 3: tell it, this is people challenging Sid. You know, these
Speaker 3: these up the these injuries that seemed to come up
Speaker 3: right at the same time that they're proposing he do
Speaker 3: something that they probably think he doesn't want to do.
Speaker 3: Enough of those strange coincidences, and they, like we said,
Speaker 3: they thought they were going to, you know, catch him
Speaker 3: in the act, catch him in a lie by engaging
Speaker 3: the doctor. And I'm not sure that didn't just make
Speaker 3: everything a lot worse. And Pritchard on his show goes
Speaker 3: on to say that they were still hopeful come that
Speaker 3: in your house, that Sid would show up and Ross
Speaker 3: before that, and he says he thinks Vince felt that
Speaker 3: if we put him there and gave him the opportunity,
Speaker 3: he's going to see it. And he's going to come back,
Speaker 3: but of course that wouldn't be the case come early June.
Speaker 3: There's a barding that said was supposed to return on
Speaker 3: the May thirtieth show in San Jose, but claimed he
Speaker 3: had the flu. It wouldn't be back until June twenty eighth.
Speaker 4: He had to flew the coop.
Speaker 3: He flew the coop exactly. But he does come back
Speaker 3: June's second, nineteen ninety seven in Huntington, West Virginia, and
Speaker 3: not only does he come back, we get that result
Speaker 3: that tells us he's been a naughty boy. He loses
Speaker 3: to the Undertaker in five minutes.
Speaker 11: Wow.
Speaker 3: There was a rematch on Raw between Undertaker and Sid
Speaker 3: in June of nineteen ninety seven, and Undertaker does an interview,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of laying out what he's become since
Speaker 3: beating Sid and makes a comment about ruling the world,
Speaker 3: and that brings out Sid, who challenges him to a
Speaker 3: match later in the show. Then Taker beats him quickly.
Speaker 3: And Meltzer was reporting at the time that when Sid
Speaker 3: showed up, they told him he's doing a job for
Speaker 3: Undertaker and he didn't want to do it, and he
Speaker 3: and was given.
Speaker 4: When the belt back parent. Did we say that's the thing?
Speaker 4: Did we say that that was going to happen? Wait,
Speaker 4: you thought we were going to put the belt back
Speaker 4: on you? When you put the belt back on you,
Speaker 4: That's why I came back, I said, just someone told me,
Speaker 4: because you told me this man that you're giving me
Speaker 4: the belt back.
Speaker 3: Was the name of the person that told you this?
Speaker 4: Was it Sid? By any chance? Did did Sid tell
Speaker 4: you this that? Or tell you? What?
Speaker 16: Was it?
Speaker 19: Bo?
Speaker 4: Was it? Oh? Shit? Was it bo? Justice?
Speaker 3: Does Bow know Pal? Does Bow know the finish is
Speaker 3: Bow and the No?
Speaker 4: Shit, that's a good question. Or does Bow blow? I'm well,
Speaker 4: you're talking pale right now, you're talking crazy. But I
Speaker 4: want to tell you exactly who it was, yes that
Speaker 4: told me I was going to get the title back?
Speaker 4: All right, I'm all here, and believe me. I'm all ears,
Speaker 4: and I want to get my firing hand ready because
Speaker 4: someone's gotten fucking fired. It was stens nick Man. Wow,
Speaker 4: Uh who I'm fired? Do you know? I gotta go? Bye?
Speaker 3: And it was given some threats, according to Meltzer, s
Speaker 3: to his future employment and finally agreed to lose to Undertaker.
Speaker 3: As a result of that, A pictcher just talked about
Speaker 3: remembering that and Sid saying something's defective. Well, you're bringing
Speaker 3: me back and I'm gonna go out and do a
Speaker 3: job tonight. What good will I be after that? And
Speaker 3: Pritchard's thought is, exactly what good have you been for
Speaker 3: not showing up for all this last bird of die?
Speaker 3: So at least let us get a win on television
Speaker 3: for the top guy and see what happens from there.
Speaker 3: But Richard said he just didn't understand why he was
Speaker 3: being brought back to do a job. And our feeling
Speaker 3: was you're being brought back so that we can get
Speaker 3: something back on television because we're really not sure what
Speaker 3: the future is.
Speaker 4: Why you have me lose, well, because that's you know,
Speaker 4: you When you lose something, that's the way it goes.
Speaker 14: I don't lose.
Speaker 4: People don't believe that I lose because I'm a shooter.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, don't you remember a shooter? Don't you remember
Speaker 3: that magazine feature you did on me?
Speaker 4: Impty, I hunt uh hunt game.
Speaker 12: This.
Speaker 3: I saw your meeting there with Big Sid. What's on
Speaker 3: his mind?
Speaker 4: Oh? I'm telling you he's hunting you, hunting me?
Speaker 11: Huh, that's he said.
Speaker 4: He's hunting game. He's hunting hunter.
Speaker 3: The hunter is becoming the hunted bell.
Speaker 4: The hunter hunter. You're being hunted by a hunter hunter.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question, Pelle. If I asked
Speaker 3: you to stand naked in the middle of Times Square
Speaker 3: and deface yourself.
Speaker 4: Would you do that? Would you do that?
Speaker 11: Would do that?
Speaker 4: If I told you to do it? Would you do that?
Speaker 4: Would you do that? Would you be a good son
Speaker 4: and do that for me? Go out to Times Square naked?
Speaker 4: All right, touch yourself and like wave it around.
Speaker 3: How do you prove you prove loyalty to events? You
Speaker 3: masturbate to completion in Times Square?
Speaker 4: I would like you to do to pleasure yourself in
Speaker 4: Times Square. I want you to lay on lay on
Speaker 4: the ground, all right, lay on the ground in Times
Speaker 4: Square naked, and I want you to pleasure yourself to completion.
Speaker 3: Paul, this is Jack and JP. They host the Lapsed
Speaker 3: Fan podcast. Actually, oh, you're the guys that, uh, you
Speaker 3: guys would talk about, you know, wrestlers jerking off all
Speaker 3: over themselves. And so if you guys talk a lot
Speaker 3: about Dix, I always think that's kind of weird. You
Speaker 3: can't picture his face right now? Yeah, totally to laugh
Speaker 3: at us, Well, weren't you telling people to suck it
Speaker 3: for years? Didn't you kind of go half naked during
Speaker 3: the beginnings of d X, you know all the time.
Speaker 4: I mean, oh, I was a kid.
Speaker 3: These guys thought it was a shoot. You believe these guys,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Well like his chrow magnan forehead and
Speaker 3: his bald head.
Speaker 4: Oh god, his bracelets. You guys need a little you know,
Speaker 4: you guys need a little uh, you know, a little
Speaker 4: dose of reality. Guys working you know, God's been working
Speaker 4: your gimmick too much.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know the the LAPS fan podcast.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you guys are the who who oh
Speaker 3: whoa whoa guys, right, so uh ah giving us every
Speaker 3: indication at the time, Bruce says of Sid that Sid
Speaker 3: didn't know what his future was in the company, And
Speaker 3: in fact, if you look through the tea leaves at
Speaker 3: the time, there was some overtures clearly being made from
Speaker 3: Sid towards WCW. And I do wonder if, yeah, when
Speaker 3: he got that pregnant pause there, I do wonder if
Speaker 3: he kind of a called WCW in frustration when he
Speaker 3: realized they were taking the strap off of him.
Speaker 4: What's the problem, Why why not tell that? Though that
Speaker 4: seems like a weird thing not to tell.
Speaker 3: You talked about sid not telling it. Yeah, yeah, well
Speaker 3: probably there's legal sensitivities about opening up those conversations before
Speaker 3: the contract is expired. That's always been like a two.
Speaker 4: Even this far out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like that's always been a two faced thing
Speaker 3: about wrestling. Were like it was like a big deal
Speaker 3: when Jericho in his book talked about like coming to
Speaker 3: Vince's living room table a dining room table when he
Speaker 3: was still under w'sw contract. Because that's tampering. You're not
Speaker 3: supposed to you're not supposed to be going after somebody
Speaker 3: that gives the other company legal recourse. But of course
Speaker 3: everybody does it. You just don't admit you're doing it.
Speaker 3: But you usually send out feelers through back channels and things,
Speaker 3: and you know word gets back to them. You want
Speaker 3: word to get back to them because you want them
Speaker 3: to sweeten the pot. You want them to suddenly take
Speaker 3: your demands more seriously because they're afraid you're going to jump,
Speaker 3: and you need them to know that to get that leverage.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, you can't be too explicit
Speaker 3: about it. This is me hypothesizing what may have been
Speaker 3: going through Sid's firing neurons when he paused there in
Speaker 3: that interview. But yeah, this is the time too when
Speaker 3: people like Shan's going to WCW. Remember that did the
Speaker 3: whole backstage fight with Brett and he's going to go
Speaker 3: right to Nitro and all that shit. This was that
Speaker 3: time where it's like, what's the next shoot to drop
Speaker 3: on the big migration to WCW. And it would shock
Speaker 3: me if SID didn't find a way to get his
Speaker 3: name in that sauce. So I think that's what Bruce
Speaker 3: Richard is intimating. There and there and there was There
Speaker 3: was like a one off clipping I found looking at
Speaker 3: news coverage of Sid, mainstream news coverage of SID in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven, where it's trip up said he's heading
Speaker 3: to WCW. It was completely unsourced. The cares like one
Speaker 3: of these, like you know, local wrestling newspaper columnists. They
Speaker 3: don't have any sourcing or anything like that, but for
Speaker 3: some reason bold enough to declare it's going to happen.
Speaker 11: Of course it didn't.
Speaker 4: Wow, But uh, you know.
Speaker 3: That usually bubbles up to the surface because there's some
Speaker 3: fire to the smoke.
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Speaker 3: But it continues for Sid. He hits Lowell on June six,
Speaker 3: ninety seven, teaming with Shawn Michaels and Steve Austin. There's
Speaker 3: a three man team for you. Yeah, I tell you
Speaker 3: that's crazy if you think O. When Bulldog and Jim
Speaker 3: Knightheart they moved to Portland and Maine for the same match.
Speaker 3: And then King of the Ring like you mentioned, takes
Speaker 3: place June eight, ninety seven in Providence and on that show,
Speaker 3: Jim Knighthart Owen Hart and British Bulldog from the Heart
Speaker 3: Foundation they defeat. Do you recall who.
Speaker 4: Sidneylod Well done on.
Speaker 3: The show said on the losing end, once again, you
Speaker 3: can tell this isn't going anywhere in particular. Then there's
Speaker 3: the June ninth, nineteen ninety seven row. This is the
Speaker 3: infamous one in Hartford where Brett rips out some of
Speaker 3: Shawn Michael's hair backstage. On that show, Undertaker, Sid and
Speaker 3: Ken Shamrock defeat Jim Knighthart, owen Hart and the British Bulldog.
Speaker 3: So kind of pushing in the direction there of SID
Speaker 3: of being aligned against Team Canada against the Heart Foundation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: ros Ward June ninth, ninety seven, Harvard Civic Center. The
Speaker 3: next the same night, he defeats owen Hart. That's probably
Speaker 3: taping for the next week. They go to Montreal June
Speaker 3: thirteenth of nineteen ninety seven, where the Bulldog defeats SID
Speaker 3: in the European title match, and then they go to
Speaker 3: Toronto on June fourteenth, where owen Hart defeats SID for
Speaker 3: the Intercontinental title. So if he's taken back to back
Speaker 3: losses here in Canada, you can tell this is us
Speaker 3: definitely out of the SID business and they're definitely trying
Speaker 3: to get as many wins over him as they can.
Speaker 4: And these were the these are house shows or these
Speaker 4: are on TV the house shows?
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, the TV one was the six Man and
Speaker 3: him beating owen gotcha. So they're not even having to
Speaker 3: lose on But there must have been something that fell
Speaker 3: apart around that June ninth raw taping in Hartford, where
Speaker 3: you know the next two shots they have he's losing
Speaker 3: to Bulldog and Owen in Canada. There's got to be
Speaker 3: that had to be some last straw argument or something
Speaker 3: like fuck this, We're not doing this anymore kind of thing.
Speaker 3: This appeared in the June sixteenth, nineteen ninety seven Canadian
Speaker 3: Press out of Hawkesbury, Ontario. It's about to get a
Speaker 3: lot more complicated because even if they were throwing in
Speaker 3: the towel on sid as, those match results indicate their
Speaker 3: hand would also kind of be forced. Hawkesbury, Ontario, four
Speaker 3: World Wrestling Federation superstars were turned home Monday, banged up
Speaker 3: with cuts and bruises after the car they were in
Speaker 3: flipped at oh Boy and route to About in suburb
Speaker 3: and Ottawa. On Sunday, they were in a Lincoln Continental
Speaker 3: that hit a soft shoulder of Highway forty near Point Fortune, Quebec,
Speaker 3: about two kilometers from the Ontario border, said Quebec Provincial
Speaker 3: Police spokesman Pierre Robischowed. They were heading from rap from
Speaker 3: Montreal to the Choral Center in Cannata, Ontario, for the
Speaker 3: WWF Canadian Challenge on Sunday night. WWF spokeswoman Joe Anne Rougeau,
Speaker 3: that's gotta be j Jacques. Joe's a daughter or something.
Speaker 3: Joe Ann Rujeau said, Psycho Sid really named Sid, Udy,
Speaker 3: flash Funk, Charles Skaggs, and Flash Funk is always around
Speaker 3: when Sid when happens, but it's going down.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Philipon and Doug Furnace or Dwight Furnace were in the
Speaker 3: car when it tumbled three or four times. Wow, the
Speaker 3: passenger side was totally crushed, she said from Montreal. The
Speaker 3: car is totaled. I bet you can't even tell the color.
Speaker 3: She said. It appeared Furnace suffered the most serious injury,
Speaker 3: a broken shoulder blade, while the Fawn suffered a concussion
Speaker 3: and cuts to his scalp. And this would be the
Speaker 3: end of Furnace and the Fawn and WWF boss right here. No,
Speaker 3: it's a result of these injuries. They pretty much know
Speaker 3: the push, the push. They come back, but no one
Speaker 3: kiss a fuck.
Speaker 11: It's over.
Speaker 4: It's over.
Speaker 3: They're in srivs at seven, right, it's over.
Speaker 4: Ah, that's sad.
Speaker 3: Skaggs was unheard except for bruises, while Udy, the six
Speaker 3: foot ten, three hundred and twenty pound former WWF champion,
Speaker 3: was experiencing numbness in his arms.
Speaker 11: And legs. M.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's talk about after the crash. Enough of
Speaker 3: a before the crash. They're all having a hard time moving,
Speaker 3: Rajau said, adding everyone with the exception of Lafawn was
Speaker 3: headed home to the United States. Lafun is from Quebec
Speaker 3: but resides in Calgary. Roubischoud said the driver lost control
Speaker 3: while trying to adjust the sun roof. Beauty was behind
Speaker 3: the wheel.
Speaker 4: Police, you get your rashed down steering i'sta sun roof.
Speaker 3: Sid was bunched up his knees to the steering wheel,
Speaker 3: steering with his thumb and index finger in both hands.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Claire Diamond, a spokeswoman at Hawkesbury General Hospital, where the
Speaker 3: four were taken, said that they were all treated and released.
Speaker 3: On Sunday night, the show with the core set up
Speaker 3: before five thousand fans, was delayed for about thirty minutes
Speaker 3: while organizers scrambled to change the car. So a faithful
Speaker 3: ride in Canada leads to yet another injury, hiatus and
Speaker 3: hiccup for one Sid Uti. Let's let's take it to
Speaker 3: sit in a shooting interview talking about what happened in
Speaker 3: this incident.
Speaker 12: Right after that, we were well for Montreal Canada. That's
Speaker 12: when I flipped the car. And that's when the complete
Speaker 12: best serving body is completely up. And at first I
Speaker 12: was when I'd gotten home. I was put in the
Speaker 12: hospital for almost twenty four hours, but I was on
Speaker 12: machines that they thought I had a stroke? Did they
Speaker 12: take that rays of everything but my neck? And then
Speaker 12: the next day I went to a neurology is that's
Speaker 12: the very first thing the actually and they saw the
Speaker 12: broken vertebrat was pinched up against my spinal cord and
Speaker 12: that's what it was causing the numbness in my left
Speaker 12: I wouldn't suffer any strength in it. I just could
Speaker 12: feel anything, I mean everything body when I mean really, Wow.
Speaker 3: That's weird, total numbness boss.
Speaker 4: Starting in the brain.
Speaker 3: A bad set of circumstances here for sid, no question,
Speaker 3: And of course there's always that twist of they forgot
Speaker 3: to do an MRI of the brain, but they did
Speaker 3: a scan of everything else on the first doctor's visit. Wow,
Speaker 3: And then the next day there's got to be something there.
Speaker 3: There's got to be some reason. He pointed that out.
Speaker 3: But whatever it is, and he clearly was banged up
Speaker 3: from this accident, I don't think anybody quibbles with that.
Speaker 3: But the degree of injury I think is sort of
Speaker 3: a case dependent on his perception of what they might
Speaker 3: do with him bringing him back into the fold, of course.
Speaker 3: And uh, obviously it was legit injury as others suffered
Speaker 3: injuries and had a difficult and long rehab process ahead
Speaker 3: of them. But that that's why Sid disappeared before that
Speaker 3: San Antonio raw that you remember him coming out at.
Speaker 3: Interesting is this car accident because he was on RAM
Speaker 3: before and then he wasn't. But it's pretty wild that
Speaker 3: before the car accident happened, he was taking those losses
Speaker 3: like that on that Canadian swing. Yeah, you know, because
Speaker 3: that's always that always foretells.
Speaker 4: A lot of losses. Yeah, that's usually. Yeah, he's on
Speaker 4: his way out.
Speaker 3: I always foretell something for Big Sid, who is behind
Speaker 3: the wheel in this car accident, But it is. It
Speaker 3: is July fourteenth, nineteen ninety seven. Row comes to San Antonio,
Speaker 3: texashean Michael's hometown. He's there with Bells on as well,
Speaker 3: having come back from losing his smile and winning the
Speaker 3: tag titles with Steve Austin on Raw YEP Wrestling. Steve
Speaker 3: Austin at the king of the ring, one on one
Speaker 3: kind of forming like you know, even though they wrestled
Speaker 3: each other, they were still sort of aligned. They were
Speaker 3: still on the same side of the baby face heel
Speaker 3: ledger if you will, And here comes Sid. Sid comes back,
Speaker 3: and Sid comes back curiously, not in the usual gear,
Speaker 3: not showing off his physique, but he's in a black
Speaker 3: turtleneck with a jacket and black pants. Yes, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot to that, but first let's hear it. This
Speaker 3: is what you remember, boss. This is the segment on
Speaker 3: that July fourteenth, nineteen ninety seven episode of Raw in
Speaker 3: San Antonio where we see Sid for the first time
Speaker 3: since the car accident, but for the last time in
Speaker 3: the w w F at a high level. Can Sherman
Speaker 3: joining sewn on the Steve on the stage, the Patriot
Speaker 3: del Wilkes so much excitement. Ah yeah, seriously, do you
Speaker 3: remember they had the Heart Foundation in the ring, and
Speaker 3: then one by one, with Steve Austin's music playing the
Speaker 3: whole time, they bring him out. They bring out Ken Shamrock,
Speaker 3: they bring out the Patriot, who was brand new to
Speaker 3: the WWF at that time. Yeah, that's wild, pretty sure,
Speaker 3: this is his first appearance before the people in WWF
Speaker 3: standing shouldered shoulder with Steve Austin and on the Titan
Speaker 3: tron by the way, they have Old Glory the American
Speaker 3: flag waving, and then they bring out Sid and you
Speaker 3: heard the people go especially nuts for the reappearance of
Speaker 3: Sid standing tall behind Steve Austin and before the American flag.
Speaker 3: And then Shawn Michaels comes out. You know, he's not
Speaker 3: ready for battle. He's dressed in like his fucking khaki
Speaker 3: shorts or whatever he would be wearing in the summertime
Speaker 3: back then. But it's wild, like, how much more interesting
Speaker 3: would Canadian Stampede be if it was Steve Austin, Sean Michaels,
Speaker 3: Sid the Patriot, and Ken Shamrock instead of what we
Speaker 3: can right.
Speaker 4: Crazy?
Speaker 3: This segment indicates that's what they had in mind, the
Speaker 3: storyline being Owen and Bulldog as tag champs. We're going
Speaker 3: to defend against some combination of all those guys and
Speaker 3: it would be decided and revealed later on in the show.
Speaker 3: The typical ratings ploy who indeed would get those those shots,
Speaker 3: and it ended up being Steve Austin, and none of
Speaker 3: the people on the stage do you remember how this
Speaker 3: episode of Row concludes who joins forces with Stone Cold
Speaker 3: Dude Love, Dude Love. It's the debut YEP of Mick
Speaker 3: Foley as Dude Love YEP on the July fourteenth, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety seven Raw, and throughout the course of the evening,
Speaker 3: we hear backstage from everyone who joined Steve Austin on
Speaker 3: the stage, from the Patriot to Ken Shamrock to Shawn Michaels,
Speaker 3: all kind of describing while why they're in the hunt
Speaker 3: and while they were aligning themselves with Steve Austin here
Speaker 3: in pursuit of the tag team championships in Warfare with
Speaker 3: the Hard Foundation. But we don't hear from Sid, but
Speaker 3: he went home. We see you say that, we see Sid,
Speaker 3: but he's the only one we don't hear from a
Speaker 3: curious choice, but to hear Jim Cornette tell it, who,
Speaker 3: of course was serving in the executive capacity at the
Speaker 3: time and certainly was was no fan of Sid's prior
Speaker 3: behavior and business dealings, had the unfortunate and unenviable task
Speaker 3: of trying to corral Sid for not only in appearance
Speaker 3: on this episode of Raw, but also for a post
Speaker 3: segment promo. Much like the others did, and there's a
Speaker 3: very clear reason why said didn't make it, and we're
Speaker 3: going to get to that right now. This is from
Speaker 3: Jim Cornett's podcast, and we also get a little glimpse
Speaker 3: of what, well, let's say, the negotiation was ahead of
Speaker 3: this episode of Rossid's final appearance on WWF television here
Speaker 3: and how there were some terms that had to be
Speaker 3: reached before Sid would get on the plane.
Speaker 6: Of course, it was the goddamn San Antonio, the Joe
Speaker 6: and Harry Freeman Colisseum. Because I remember I was so
Speaker 6: hot that I was ill and almost threw up by
Speaker 6: the time I got back the hotel room.
Speaker 14: It was like one hundred and ten in San Antonio
Speaker 14: that day, and.
Speaker 4: Vince had insisted he come.
Speaker 6: He'd been off because he was injured, and Vince had
Speaker 6: me calling, and I called and got his wife because
Speaker 6: he was out. He was playing softball or he took
Speaker 6: the softball team to Oceola or somewhere in Arkansas. And
Speaker 6: I said, Vince wants him, you know, at raw Monday night.
Speaker 6: He doesn't have to wrestle. He know he's hurt, but
Speaker 6: he's got to make an interview appearance and do part
Speaker 6: of this deal.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 6: Oh, he's not gonna like that. He hasn't had time
Speaker 6: to train lately. He doesn't feel well. I said, he's
Speaker 6: not wrestling.
Speaker 4: How bad could he look in a fucking month.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking to myself, we haven't said him in a
Speaker 6: fucking month. How what could he have deteriorated too? And
Speaker 6: she said, you know, Sids often said that he he
Speaker 6: thought he might be happier if he went back to
Speaker 6: selling farm chemicals. I don't know whether she's trying to
Speaker 6: just pour her heart out to me or negotiate with
Speaker 6: me on his behalf, like you better give me more money.
Speaker 6: He might go back to selling farm chemicals. And I said,
Speaker 6: I said, nevertheless, Vince wants in there. He's sending a
Speaker 6: plane ticket Monday, San Antonio. He's going to do this
Speaker 6: interview thing.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: So he shows up and I Katie remember the particulars.
Speaker 6: But the four top baby face whoever they were at
Speaker 6: this point in time, was michaels Is whoever the fuck?
Speaker 6: They all come out on the stage and confront the
Speaker 6: group of heels in the in the ring, and Sid
Speaker 6: is one of them, and he he didn't take his
Speaker 6: shirt off, He's dressed his streak gloves. He didn't take
Speaker 6: his shirt off because he felt like he hadn't tanned
Speaker 6: like Jesus Christ. And then they were supposed to come
Speaker 6: back at the top of the hour seg seven and
Speaker 6: that was when Raw was a two hour show and
Speaker 6: do some kind of run in and whatever and pay
Speaker 6: the thing off. And we started looking around for where
Speaker 6: Sid that's right, and asked Bruno, you know RV Whippelman Downtown.
Speaker 6: Bruno because they went back to the Memphis days and.
Speaker 4: That was his manager of said justice, yes, and we
Speaker 4: said where Sid. Oh. He came up to me.
Speaker 6: He said he felt like he was having a heart attack.
Speaker 6: I said, who, where'd you take you for? I took
Speaker 6: him back to the hotel? What the holiday inn?
Speaker 10: For a heart attack?
Speaker 6: He said, just waiting to go back to the hotel
Speaker 6: is so hot?
Speaker 4: The jeez, so he made he didn't make that segment.
Speaker 4: He doesn't. You don't see him for the rest of
Speaker 4: the show. Nope, he had a heart attack. That's just
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, I mean, look at that. That's
Speaker 4: that's that's that's what happens.
Speaker 3: Why are we making light of all the challenges the
Speaker 3: man's facing.
Speaker 4: I know, I know, look I had a heart attack.
Speaker 4: What you sound all right? I may have had a
Speaker 4: heart attack. Oh that's not what you said the first time.
Speaker 4: Tell you you said you had a heart attack. I
Speaker 4: had a condition, a condition. I may have had something
Speaker 4: happen to me. I cannot talk about it. Well, you've
Speaker 4: been talking about it the last two minutes.
Speaker 3: I may have had something happen to me that I
Speaker 3: cannot talk about. Now, Cornette opens up a very important vein,
Speaker 3: I think, for us. In our Sid tribute, Sabrina answered
Speaker 3: the phone Sid's wife, Oh, yes, and I do invite
Speaker 3: you to consider Sid, pantomiming over her shoulder Patterson Vince
Speaker 3: style while she's talking to Cornette about this raw appearance,
Speaker 3: pretending he's not home. But she was really good at
Speaker 3: doing if I may make a supposition there and and basically,
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes Sid just feels like you just go
Speaker 3: back to selling form chemicals.
Speaker 4: You believe.
Speaker 3: She says that, Oh it's so, it's so rich, you know,
Speaker 3: she's just so predemptibly.
Speaker 4: I think he's you know, he's he's been talking about
Speaker 4: he just wants to say molans, you know, that's what
Speaker 4: he wants to do.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I think he's kind of over the whole wrestling. He's
Speaker 4: wants to mo Loans.
Speaker 3: I think it's his home, his his his, his business
Speaker 3: that he set up. The catchphrase is kicking grass, and
Speaker 3: he's gonna be out there turning over a new leaf
Speaker 3: in life. You know, sometimes I just think Sid just
Speaker 3: wish you'd go back to selling farm chemicals, so stupid.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, she thinks like and she thinks like
Speaker 3: she's going to get them to agree to pay him
Speaker 3: more to show up, right, No, And he's in the
Speaker 3: back like making gestures like, okay, tell him a care cop.
Speaker 11: Tell him I wish, I wish I'll go back to
Speaker 11: selling form chemicals. Tell him that.
Speaker 4: Tell him so Brina, he was go top tail the
Speaker 4: could they sell farm things?
Speaker 3: And it's just not Yeah, it's just not easy to
Speaker 3: get Sid to show up, and it's not easy to
Speaker 3: get Sid to do anything at this point, and so
Speaker 3: you can start to see that the challenge is when
Speaker 3: he disappears and Bruno, who's of course the first guy
Speaker 3: he went to when he had to skip town in
Speaker 3: ninety two, remember that whole fiasco, yep, as they high
Speaker 3: tailed it from a to to Logan airport because the
Speaker 3: STENSI the warrior didn't want to do business and he
Speaker 3: had enough. While simultaneously there was the whole issue of
Speaker 3: a failed drug test around WrestleMania eight. That was also
Speaker 3: an issue, and it's more severe cracking down on steroid
Speaker 3: use in the company. And yeah, Bruno is just the
Speaker 3: guy he turns to to say, you're coming with me,
Speaker 3: you're booking the flight or whatever the hell you're doing,
Speaker 3: you're facilitating my flight in the middle of the night.
Speaker 3: Here my fleeing of the territory, and you're coming with me,
Speaker 3: whether you'd like it or not. Brune of course did
Speaker 3: not go and stayed there and managed other people. And
Speaker 3: then by the time Sid came back, I guess they
Speaker 3: rekindled the friendship. Never really heard that there was a
Speaker 3: falling out between those two, interestingly enough, but it's telling
Speaker 3: that with Sid missing as he's due to make an
Speaker 3: appearance on the flagship television show, that Bruno is the
Speaker 3: only person in the building who knows about this heart
Speaker 3: attack or this field or suspected heart attack. And over
Speaker 3: in WCW is oh, no, that had already happened. I
Speaker 3: was going to make a smartness comment.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, it was going to be.
Speaker 3: Ninety seven, Starkad Nash and Giant, Right, yes so yeah
Speaker 3: so over in and Atlanta, Kevin Nash takes careful notes
Speaker 3: about what to say when he's penciled into job to
Speaker 3: the Giant at Star Kid. So there go Sid, not
Speaker 3: only once again, but kind of for the last time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is. I mean he comes back with
Speaker 4: like little one off things after w W gets sold,
Speaker 4: but that's.
Speaker 3: It really only once. Yeah, and Doc Hendricks promote SummerSlam
Speaker 3: to the New York audience. According to this piece of
Speaker 3: reporting on the syndicated shows that reach New York, and
Speaker 3: they're listing a series of matches for Summer Slam ninety seven,
Speaker 3: including Vader versus Sid, Wow, Brett hartbers Undertaker, which Shawn
Speaker 3: Michael's a special ref one, the Owen Hart versus Steve
Speaker 3: Boston neck break match. All that I was supposed to
Speaker 3: feature Sid versus Vader.
Speaker 4: How about that? That that's fascinating. No one have been interesting.
Speaker 3: There's also something I want to put here, but I
Speaker 3: want to have couch it, and I do it in
Speaker 3: the spirit of hoping somebody can primary source this one
Speaker 3: for us. There's long been a thing about how Sid
Speaker 3: had a squirrel, a pet squirrel, and that he would
Speaker 3: take it with him on the road, and that one
Speaker 3: day the other wrestlers dared him to keep the squirrel
Speaker 3: down his pants for a minute, bet him he couldn't
Speaker 3: do it, and that he accepted, And after about thirty
Speaker 3: seconds he got bit in the dick and he fell
Speaker 3: on the floor in agony, crushing the squirrel in the process,
Speaker 3: and had to.
Speaker 4: Get Raby's shop. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So you can see if that actually happened, how no
Speaker 3: one would ever forget it.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 3: SID has been asked about this point blank in interviews
Speaker 3: and just has no clue what people are talking about
Speaker 3: in a way that I don't think strange credulity like
Speaker 3: the usual. I have no idea SID answer. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: there really wasn't a lot more to go on than
Speaker 3: this persistent rumor. And I'm trying to figure out and
Speaker 3: people have emailed us about it, knowing that we're doing
Speaker 3: a SID tribute, wanting us to talk about and I
Speaker 3: just can't find out where this comes from from. That
Speaker 3: there used to be this long form thread called like
Speaker 3: the sleeze or something. It was like a huge document
Speaker 3: full of all these like one line or things that
Speaker 3: people whisper about the other wrestlers, okay, and the sick
Speaker 3: things they've done or or might do or will do.
Speaker 3: And this may have been from that anonymously sourced famous
Speaker 3: forum post with all these things, this may have been
Speaker 3: something someone said about Sid as far as I could tell.
Speaker 3: But if anybody knows kind of who the first person
Speaker 3: was to suggest or tell the story that Sid had this,
Speaker 3: squirrel love to run that down but could not do so.
Speaker 3: But I have the feeling that it comes from this
Speaker 3: rough time period in the WWF as far as when
Speaker 3: it happened. So I'm putting it here. And the call
Speaker 3: is out of the Solar system, you know, the email
Speaker 3: address the Lapsed fantasyemail dot com. If you can assist
Speaker 3: us as you are, I feel confident that the Solar
Speaker 3: system doesn't find that it doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: Agreed.
Speaker 3: So see if you can find anybody saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is a eyewitnessed SID do this with my own
Speaker 3: two eyes, that would be extremely helpful. It's hard to
Speaker 3: know because just about anyone who was in the company
Speaker 3: at that time and has done shoot interviews could theoretically
Speaker 3: have seen this and said this. So we can't just
Speaker 3: as well, look at everybody's interview that's ever been done.
Speaker 3: That was there, but would be great to have a
Speaker 3: shortcut for people that might remember hearing it from somebody's
Speaker 3: lips for the first time. So we're moving along here
Speaker 3: in Sid's career by herker, by Krook, whether he likes
Speaker 3: it or not. And as nineteen ninety seven becomes nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight, this is actually right around the time he
Speaker 3: sat down for the first RF video shoot interview, which
Speaker 3: we have excerpted from generously. It was one of the
Speaker 3: rare times where they did a shooting interview before a
Speaker 3: guy had firmly faded from the spotlight and was still
Speaker 3: kind of an active aid free agent in the marketplace,
Speaker 3: still looking to return to WWF if he could, And
Speaker 3: he sat with him and talked about all this shit,
Speaker 3: which was an interesting choice. Think about Sid shooting on
Speaker 3: WWF in March of nineteen ninety eight. That's wild, that's
Speaker 3: a risk, but he's doing it. And so they asked
Speaker 3: him what his status is with with the WWEF contract
Speaker 3: and he says, legally, I do have a release, and
Speaker 3: then legally I don't have a release, and that's a
Speaker 3: Sid answers you're going to get, he said. What we're
Speaker 3: trying to do is just get the final details of
Speaker 3: the merchandising worked out. How many months or how many
Speaker 3: years they're going to owe me for what's usually a
Speaker 3: general timeframe is two years of what they pay you
Speaker 3: after you leave. So that's what we're trying to get
Speaker 3: them to say. So basically, it appears that as of
Speaker 3: March of nineteen ninety eight, you know, es wrestle Mania
Speaker 3: fourteen's getting ready to go, Sid is negotiating how much
Speaker 3: pay he's going to get for merchandising in exchange for
Speaker 3: leaving the company. Sid also said in this interview that
Speaker 3: they won't return my lawyer's calls and he's been calling,
Speaker 3: and you know, only just the thing was I told
Speaker 3: them I'm in no hurry because of my neck. But
Speaker 3: now I'm in a little bit of a hurry. But
Speaker 3: as far as legally, I can go work anywhere I want.
Speaker 3: So basically he's it sounds like he's saying that, yeah,
Speaker 3: my contract is expired or my contract you know, is
Speaker 3: null and void at this point, but I'm looking to
Speaker 3: get more money out of them on a merchandising deal point.
Speaker 3: And so if they're going to give me that money,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to negotiate giving them something in return.
Speaker 3: So in that respect, if they give there, I'm still
Speaker 3: kind of in contractual limbo and not able to go
Speaker 3: wherever I want. So only Sid can have a can
Speaker 3: be in a contractual position at any given point in
Speaker 3: time where his contract is and is not pending and valid.
Speaker 3: But of course, now where did Sid go in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight? We certainly don't know, do we.
Speaker 4: Oh? I don't think so, do we?
Speaker 3: It' certainly as the attitude ever explode, Sid's not on
Speaker 3: nitro and he's not on raw.
Speaker 4: Where is the man?
Speaker 3: Well, he goes back home. Of course, Sid goes back
Speaker 3: to Memphis and what's left of that old territory that
Speaker 3: launched the lord humongous character, that old territory where he
Speaker 3: got into the ring with Jerry Lawler in the Mid
Speaker 3: South Coliseum before he knew what a turn buckle was,
Speaker 3: before he knew what anything was in the wrestling business,
Speaker 3: but had the size to get that early endorsement and
Speaker 3: you know, share the ring with Nick Backwinkle the first
Speaker 3: time he ever had a match. For instance, he goes
Speaker 3: back to Memphis and at the time, it had been
Speaker 3: transitioned into a promotion called Memphis Power Pro Wrestling or
Speaker 3: MPPW under Randy Hales, who would go on to be
Speaker 3: heavily associated with promoting at wrestling in that great city
Speaker 3: for for years after Jerry Lawler and Jerry Jarrett kind
Speaker 3: of set down the reins for that territory. So Memphis
Speaker 3: Power Pro still run and they're still doing WMC Channel
Speaker 3: five Studio wrestling. I don't think they're running the Mid
Speaker 3: South Coliseum anymore, but they are doing a live event
Speaker 3: business as well. This is kind of boss the successor
Speaker 3: to the us w A. Okay, Yeah, which we know
Speaker 3: kind of bubbled up after the Memphis territory as we
Speaker 3: knew it fractured as Lawler went to w w F
Speaker 3: and it just became kind of like this feeder system thing.
Speaker 4: Was that also part of wasn't that wasn't it was
Speaker 4: a w A.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was wasn't a world class part of that too,
Speaker 3: part of the us w A sort of, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: kind of becomes the us w A. This is after
Speaker 3: Jerry Jarrett buys out Fritz's interest in Dallas. They were
Speaker 3: called c w c w A and then yeah, basically
Speaker 3: the combined organizationrunning out of the Sportatorium was was called
Speaker 3: USWA for a time, and then Global moved in to
Speaker 3: the sport He drove Price reigned and Rod Price reigned.
Speaker 3: That's correct, due to inflation, no doubt. And so Memphis
Speaker 3: Pro is not only you know, running under new auspices,
Speaker 3: it's also kind of at the catbird seat for a
Speaker 3: developmental territory deal. And this would be the promotion that
Speaker 3: Kurt Angle, for instance, would get a lot of his
Speaker 3: reps in before coming over to the main ww roster
Speaker 3: in November of nineteen ninety nine, and they would run
Speaker 3: a lot of their prospects through the Memphis Power Pro organization.
Speaker 3: I don't think that he's exactly taken hold yet when
Speaker 3: Sid went over there, but we remember, you know, Sid
Speaker 3: went to Memphis after the second WCW run before they
Speaker 3: brought him back in ninety five to be Psycho Sid
Speaker 3: to the WWF. Oh yeah, so I'm sure he's seeing
Speaker 3: this not only as a bit of ho homecoming, but
Speaker 3: also a way to stay on their radar and prove
Speaker 3: that despite all the bullshit, he's actually employable. And this
Speaker 3: is how he looks on television and This is how
Speaker 3: he's carrying himself and he's not too hurt, not too hobbled,
Speaker 3: et cetera, and still trying. This is just a wild
Speaker 3: and weird time for Sid starting in February ninety eight
Speaker 3: where he starts showing up on shows and Mississippi, teaming
Speaker 3: with Jerry Lawler against the likes of Reggie b Fine
Speaker 3: and Johnny Rotten. Johnny Rotten was Sid's buddy that he'd
Speaker 3: take everywhere and get bookings.
Speaker 4: So love not everyone's got like their little buddy that
Speaker 4: they help.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. It's so yeah, it's like part of
Speaker 3: the playbook to to survive in the business. So they're
Speaker 3: working in these Mississippi shows. Tracy Smothers is around the
Speaker 3: territory at the time as well, Bill Dundee and some others.
Speaker 3: There's the third annual Eddie Gilbert Memorial Brawl that takes
Speaker 3: place for twenty eighth, nineteen ninety eight at the Radison
Speaker 3: Hotel in Philadelphia. As you know, we start to see,
Speaker 3: you know, the Philly area indies start to pick up
Speaker 3: again with ec W being hot. Sid goes over there
Speaker 3: and beats King Kong Bundy at the Radison in Philly,
Speaker 3: that's something to consider Sid versus King Kung Bundy in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4: Boss, I guess it is something to consider it. No,
Speaker 4: I feel about that conclusions draw.
Speaker 3: But then he goes back to Memphis Power Pro and
Speaker 3: March teaming with Lawler again, wrestling Johnny Rotten and wrestling
Speaker 3: King Kong Bundy on a New England Wrestling show in Thomaston,
Speaker 3: Connecticut on March twenty eighth, nineteen ninety eight. So when
Speaker 3: we're getting ready to go to the Fleet Center for
Speaker 3: wrestling at fourteen the week before Sid's wrestling Bundy in Connecticut.
Speaker 4: Of course makes sense.
Speaker 3: I just can't. I can't incorporate Sid being on this
Speaker 3: track to my mindset at that time in ninety eight.
Speaker 3: I know, I never even thought about SidD. You did
Speaker 3: you wonder where he went?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 4: Nope.
Speaker 3: As Austin descended and everything and it's all that happened,
Speaker 3: I never thought about Sid in ninety eight.
Speaker 4: I was kind of you know, I was so into
Speaker 4: Austin at that point that I didn't really care.
Speaker 3: It's amazing, considering how big of a deal he was
Speaker 3: and how resident of a star he was supposed to be,
Speaker 3: that we didn't think about where he was. That's that
Speaker 3: says something. He works in Middletown, New Jersey, on April
Speaker 3: fourth of nineteen ninety eight, defeating Tom Brandy, the former
Speaker 3: Salvator sincere, he works a Legends Pro Wrestling show in Sheffield, Alabama,
Speaker 3: on April eighteenth, nineteen ninety eight, against Mike Samples. He's
Speaker 3: back in New Jersey wrestling maybel on April twenty Yeah,
Speaker 3: Mountain Holly, New Jersey. That's a show you want to see.
Speaker 3: Then he goes to Wall Township, New Jersey and wrestles
Speaker 3: Mabel again. And then he goes to Garfield, New Jersey
Speaker 3: and loses to someone named Rick Ratchett. Don't even ask
Speaker 3: me to start there. I have no idea who Rick
Speaker 3: Ratchett is. He does a Jersey All Pro Wrestling show
Speaker 3: in Bayone, New Jersey, on September twenty fifth, nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 3: defeating a wrestler by the name of Patch and come
Speaker 3: fall time, as the leaves change, he's headed back to
Speaker 3: Memphis and he's working. Yes, sir, I take that back
Speaker 3: the Mid South Coliseum wrestling likes of Bo Alexander and
Speaker 3: Bulldog Rains and Rex King and Tom Pritchard he face,
Speaker 3: he faced a bow. The boy he faced to bow,
Speaker 3: not bowjus justice as far as we know. But in fact,
Speaker 3: Bo Alexander April pardon me, October third, nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 3: he's in a battle royal in Memphis. And as far
Speaker 3: as I can tell, the final shot of this Memphis
Speaker 3: sojourn for Sid in nineteen ninety eight was on October
Speaker 3: third of nineteen ninety eight, as Hawk from the Road
Speaker 3: Warriors teams with Bart Gunn to beat Jerry Lawler and
Speaker 3: Sid Vicious in a tag team explosion, a main event
Speaker 3: anywhere in the country.
Speaker 4: Boss, that is true, it was anywhere in the country.
Speaker 3: There's precious little on tape that I could find easily
Speaker 3: of Sid during this run. It sounds like he's mostly
Speaker 3: working arena shows. I'm sure he's at the TV tapings,
Speaker 3: but he's not having matches necessarily that are reflected in
Speaker 3: his you know, record, So it's hard to pin down
Speaker 3: what shows he was at and just didn't wrestle on.
Speaker 3: But as far as I can tell, and I'd love
Speaker 3: to hear from somebody that you know, was local to
Speaker 3: Memphis at the time or somehow was tape trading for
Speaker 3: that area and remembers this whole angle. But Sid finds
Speaker 3: himself the lead spokesperson for a stable of wrestlers in
Speaker 3: Memphis Power Pro called the POB. Now do not ask
Speaker 3: me what POB stands for, but whatever it stands for,
Speaker 3: they've got the you know, twenty five people that are
Speaker 3: at the WMCTV studios for the television show Chanting Pob POB.
Speaker 3: Whenever these guys are out there and they look to
Speaker 3: me boss, like in Aces and eights, Oh god, Sid
Speaker 3: is basically the head of a biker gang stable, and
Speaker 3: it's hard to deal with. It's hard that Sid just
Speaker 3: isn't enough that he's got to have a new gimmick
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety eight. It's kind of humiliating if you
Speaker 3: ask me. But Sid, you know, he was one that
Speaker 3: could kind of get carried away, letting his creative juices flow.
Speaker 3: He was somebody that if you really handed him the reins,
Speaker 3: just you could have him on board, let him do
Speaker 3: what he wanted. He would come up with some really
Speaker 3: goofy shit that really deluded what it was that people
Speaker 3: wanted to see from Sid all these years and being
Speaker 3: the spokesperson and the lead heel for this POB stable
Speaker 3: we get and this is saying something for Sid some
Speaker 3: of the more incomprehensible promo work of this man's life.
Speaker 3: Here's just a little sample from one edition of Memphis
Speaker 3: Power pro Television. At the time Sid about to take
Speaker 3: the microphone as the head of this stable.
Speaker 10: All right, asked Jane, we need to get some help
Speaker 10: for Darry King.
Speaker 19: And here last Russell said, viciousious.
Speaker 8: You are I'm gonna say, you say so, now is it?
Speaker 16: You?
Speaker 8: People have a lot of heart that whatever he's watch yesterday,
Speaker 8: don't discuss me.
Speaker 4: But what I'm gonna do today, what I'm going to
Speaker 4: do to day. Some people were gonna say you.
Speaker 2: Went over the line, said you went over the line.
Speaker 8: That some people will say, no, say didn't go far enough.
Speaker 8: Because what I'm talking about what step we got that
Speaker 8: we'll be.
Speaker 16: Going down line?
Speaker 8: What what we're gonna have to do is here the
Speaker 8: last week someone so he supposed he's not opposed the
Speaker 8: Rady Hills ideas, gave this young man a call and
Speaker 8: brought him down here and did probably what they don't
Speaker 8: even realize in their own minds.
Speaker 4: They made the biggest mistake of the art. They dete
Speaker 4: traded the pride. They dec trated the crime, they.
Speaker 8: Burnt the charge and everything we stepped for. And I
Speaker 8: want everyone one more time to realize. I don't want
Speaker 8: you to judge before what I'm going to do today,
Speaker 8: because what I want to do today is something I
Speaker 8: don't even like doing myself. But sometimes when people step
Speaker 8: that line, they go too far.
Speaker 4: Two things. You have to teach them a lessons.
Speaker 8: And sometimes you have to make example the people. Then
Speaker 8: make a quick example. There's a young lady out here
Speaker 8: we call angel.
Speaker 16: They see the faith.
Speaker 8: You'll Palladians shit that couple of days you had a
Speaker 8: call she gonna stick in her mouth, But she's here today.
Speaker 4: What are they talking about exactly?
Speaker 8: I want to cart the shot of the pop girls.
Speaker 8: I want to carry me to get a guy with.
Speaker 2: The pop goals.
Speaker 3: A pob girl got in a car accident in his
Speaker 3: front row.
Speaker 4: Happy over what happened last week? Here Dave Brown, Yeah,
Speaker 4: get him back on the rail.
Speaker 8: For a long time, I have gone over the line sometimes,
Speaker 8: but for the most part, I've.
Speaker 4: Been a considerate man.
Speaker 8: I've been honest. But when I see my friends, my families,
Speaker 8: what happened the last week? If you want to took
Speaker 8: my hotel. My hotel right now that day?
Speaker 4: What just get him? You think you're like an animal soday?
Speaker 8: Today, I ain't going to be the judge and jury
Speaker 8: of the four men that were part of it is
Speaker 8: supposed to be.
Speaker 4: In the Goblet match.
Speaker 8: And when we get through judgings, we also going to
Speaker 8: chance him.
Speaker 4: Here at their guns getting the Academy award, is it?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you s'b vicious, still.
Speaker 5: Knowing I will play.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 3: That said left to his own devices, Okay, just screaming
Speaker 3: and trying to pack sixteen different disparate things into one statement. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it was just missing a Vienna Sausages thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, he should have. I'm surprised he didn't,
Speaker 4: you know, say, hey, going to Saint Mary's.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's right in the same city exactly,
Speaker 3: very approximate, very convenient. But yeah, I don't know. He's
Speaker 3: he's he's vowing revenge on somebody who had beaten down
Speaker 3: one of the Pob brothers the week before.
Speaker 11: I don't know who.
Speaker 3: There's a woman in the front row who supports the
Speaker 3: stable who got in a car accident and had some
Speaker 3: stitches in his mouth, and he does the the gregarious
Speaker 3: thing of calling her out and letting us all know
Speaker 3: that she's here in support. She's just screaming, and it's
Speaker 3: just like, I don't know, he doesn't seem employable to me.
Speaker 3: Hit this point, it just seems like, oh God, we're
Speaker 3: gonna sign up for this, Like.
Speaker 4: He just seems it's just it's like it's the same
Speaker 4: old shit, but it's just getting.
Speaker 3: Worse, getting worse. It's getting worse. And uh, you know,
Speaker 3: you realize how much of a finishing touch they had
Speaker 3: to put on at WWF to make it look like
Speaker 3: he was a good promo, you know, because he's not.
Speaker 5: He's not.
Speaker 3: And hear someone say he is, I'm just flabbergasted. I mean,
Speaker 3: whatever he is, it's by complete happenstance, like he just
Speaker 3: happens to be in a position where his off the
Speaker 3: cuff rantings and ravings are right a right fit for
Speaker 3: the moment, which they only are one times out of ten.
Speaker 3: And this isn't This is what you get when you
Speaker 3: just put him in charge of cutting a you know,
Speaker 3: a traditional buy the books studio wrestling promo, you know,
Speaker 3: talking about what's happened, vowing revenge for what happened or whatever,
Speaker 3: and pointing to the next to the next thing it's
Speaker 3: gonna happen. And he is just all over the place,
Speaker 3: and you can hear Dave Brown just but just trying
Speaker 3: to prompt him to talk about how it happened last
Speaker 3: week again, and they run out of time and he's
Speaker 3: still talking over the music. And look, I mean, you
Speaker 3: can't be a great wrestling promo if you don't know
Speaker 3: how to do that studio promo correctly agreed, and I
Speaker 3: know it, just you cannot qualify as good or great
Speaker 3: even And there he is, after all these years in
Speaker 3: the business, at the highest levels, with the biggest production
Speaker 3: budgets and the most direction and guidance. That's what he
Speaker 3: does when taking off the leash. So take from that
Speaker 3: perhaps what you will. But it's back home to Memphis
Speaker 3: for this homebody, and he meets a fellow homebody like
Speaker 3: Jerry Lawler, doesn't he down there, boss, Yes, I'd imagine so,
Speaker 3: softball buddy and Yeah, Luller, in a shoot interview of
Speaker 3: his own, talks about Sid and kind of why he
Speaker 3: may have been welcomed back to the area time and
Speaker 3: again with open arms.
Speaker 20: Sid was a lot like me in the fact that Sid,
Speaker 20: I don't like to travel. Sid likes to be at home,
Speaker 20: and Sid likes to play softball just like I do.
Speaker 21: And I can honestly tell you that if given the
Speaker 21: choice of wrestling on the main event in Madisle Square
Speaker 21: Garden or playing a softball game, wrestling in front of
Speaker 21: eighteen thousand people, playing a softball game in front of nothing,
Speaker 21: but with twenty of your ends, if you had the
Speaker 21: choice between the two, probably Sid and I would both choose.
Speaker 20: The softball game. And and a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 20: think you're crazier or.
Speaker 21: Get a bad impression of you from that, But I
Speaker 21: think it's just you know, a difference in priorities, and
Speaker 21: a lot of people, a lot of people give Sid
Speaker 21: the the you know, the label of being difficult to
Speaker 21: work with simply because of things like that, not maybe
Speaker 21: not showing up for something so.
Speaker 20: Because he thought something else was more important or or
Speaker 20: that sort of thing. But you know, Sid was at
Speaker 20: least not for me, never difficult to work within the ring.
Speaker 20: I thought we you know, had a lot of good matches.
Speaker 4: So there it is.
Speaker 3: How do they have all in Memphis?
Speaker 4: I mean it's a weird matchup to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of weird now that you say that.
Speaker 3: They never really clashed on the WWF stage. M do
Speaker 3: you think, like in ninety six or something quick, Jerry Lawler,
Speaker 3: they've made sense for a guy like Sid, you know,
Speaker 3: beat the shit out of him power bombing a couple
Speaker 3: of times.
Speaker 4: I mean, I do like the Jerry Lawler admits he'd
Speaker 4: rather be home than anything else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know, that's got to be what's
Speaker 3: going through their mind when he can't make the Kuwaiti
Speaker 3: tour after wrestling A thirteen. He doesn't want to travel
Speaker 3: and all this other stuff is because he doesn't want
Speaker 3: to travel basically, right, And he thinks he can use
Speaker 3: an injury to get out of traveling. Well, you're going
Speaker 3: to go, and he went and hated it, and I'm
Speaker 3: sure he couldn't bring his fucking gimmicks with him, so
Speaker 3: he was extra cranky and in the rest is history,
Speaker 3: but interesting perspective there from a Jerry Lawler who feels,
Speaker 3: for some reason post that Tug of Memphis, he just
Speaker 3: has to go home in Memphis. Sometimes I just can't
Speaker 3: imagine what waits for him go home. I can't imagine
Speaker 3: what forbidden fruit he's waiting to pluck, I know, to
Speaker 3: free from its roots, oh boy and branches. But yeah,
Speaker 3: they're going back to play some softball.
Speaker 11: And that's that.
Speaker 3: So Sid is at least back where he, in his
Speaker 3: own mind belongs here in nineteen ninety eight, way out
Speaker 3: of the national spotlight. And again an afterthought, I think,
Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's hard to say that he
Speaker 3: was a huge superstar when no one cares where he is.
Speaker 3: Throughout the entirety of nineteen ninety eight, all the wrestling
Speaker 3: business reaches unforeseen heights. As soon as he leaves.
Speaker 11: The WWF starts catching.
Speaker 3: Fire as soon as he leaves, of course, of course,
Speaker 3: I mean as soon as he's definitely gone, they absolutely
Speaker 3: take off. It's remarkable to see. If you made a chart,
Speaker 3: a barograph or something, you'd be stunned at the correlation,
Speaker 3: the inverse correlation between business picking up and Sid disappearing
Speaker 3: or Sid showing up in business plateauing and struggling, but
Speaker 3: he fell off the face of the earth as mentioned
Speaker 3: until all of a sudden, Boss nineteen ninety eight becomes
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine and this happens. I want to ask
Speaker 3: you to load up this video, but please don't hit
Speaker 3: play until I'm ready on my side, because we're about
Speaker 3: to enter a new, truncated but interesting chapter for Sid. Okay,
Speaker 3: have we ever seen Sid in the land of his
Speaker 3: an extreme?
Speaker 4: No, we've never seen him with his extremities.
Speaker 3: Tests and tell the people what you see, Bonny sometime here.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm well, I'm what I'm seeing is some
Speaker 4: goofball who I don't even know who is that with.
Speaker 4: There's a guy with you know, kind of a shaved
Speaker 4: head with scraggly hair over his face and a goatee
Speaker 4: and a black onesie. That's what I see.
Speaker 3: Are you calling Judge Jeff Jones's robe a onesie? No,
Speaker 3: he's not a robe.
Speaker 4: Oh, this is John Cronis. Sorry, that's pretty funny. He's
Speaker 4: wearing a onesie.
Speaker 3: This is John Cronis, formerly the Eliminators with Perry Saturn.
Speaker 3: You recall, oh, don't du whatever you say, there we go.
Speaker 3: Let's hit play in three two one, play.
Speaker 22: Sweet and Living on Pennsylvania.
Speaker 19: You took me and lay me slat.
Speaker 5: In the center.
Speaker 4: That's Judge Jeff Joseph and.
Speaker 2: With your four fifty.
Speaker 3: This is ECW Guilty is Charged, the first ECW pay
Speaker 3: per view of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 8: Yo, Cronus, I am the judge and I am the jury,
Speaker 8: and for that crime, I'm as Sault Cronus. I find
Speaker 8: you guilty as jorm.
Speaker 4: From liliar Cronus. It was a salt and pepper.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I could say, okay, now.
Speaker 22: That I've sentenced you, you will face my executioner. And
Speaker 22: you could say he's a little bit psycho and he's
Speaker 22: gonna deal him by plain justice.
Speaker 4: And a vicious matter for us psycho and vicious manner justice.
Speaker 4: Crazy psycho said vicious Jessice, what's wrong with him?
Speaker 16: Right?
Speaker 4: Question? Every time the man, Oh, go all right for
Speaker 4: the pot?
Speaker 2: Wow said he's here? Did he see de yah looking?
Speaker 4: He he's just fucking screaming.
Speaker 12: M hm h.
Speaker 2: Na wear wrestling be jeans.
Speaker 23: Brothers throws a right hand naked too, whoa, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: We just talked to him by the throat over the
Speaker 4: top of the.
Speaker 3: Floor of thro her table.
Speaker 23: He's a former d w dbe you chippy and he's
Speaker 23: a monster.
Speaker 2: They ripped through Wu s W the psycho.
Speaker 3: Oh great chair shots, Oh god, like I would not
Speaker 3: want a Jesus.
Speaker 2: She is trying to destroy Jock Troce. No, Jeff Jones
Speaker 2: couldn't call himself anything he wants.
Speaker 4: They want it.
Speaker 3: They want the power bom bomb.
Speaker 2: The fans want to see a power bob.
Speaker 4: It's a good one. Good night, I go away.
Speaker 2: Somebody better get a squeeze.
Speaker 3: Squeeze kucker.
Speaker 23: I've got a sickly feeling that Jeff Jones, judge or not.
Speaker 2: Can't control sick.
Speaker 4: Well, it's fair.
Speaker 2: The monster, the maniac SID is in E c W.
Speaker 3: Well, there you have it.
Speaker 4: That's wild.
Speaker 3: Sid is in the land of the extreme. You've never
Speaker 3: seen that, No, I've never seen that before. Thoughts on
Speaker 3: SID and a gene vest in jeans, and.
Speaker 4: You know, it kind of works. Actually, it's it's funny,
Speaker 4: you know, with the the genes and stuff. He actually
Speaker 4: kind of looks bigger. Yeah, you know, he looks more
Speaker 4: uh more, I don't know, threatening, and.
Speaker 3: It kind of looks like he's here for like extra curriculars.
Speaker 3: He's not here at a world title, you know, he's
Speaker 3: not in gear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose that is true as well.
Speaker 3: I was in like a hired gun and power bombs
Speaker 3: the shit out a job like he's like an assassin
Speaker 3: of sorts, right, which is great positioning for him, because
Speaker 3: you can't just as well get into the fucking snake
Speaker 3: pit with this guy actually have them feed with one
Speaker 3: of your wrestlers. Although to hear Sid talk about it,
Speaker 3: entreaties were made and he came in with the expectation
Speaker 3: that ec Dot and Trees, yeah and Trace with a
Speaker 3: pig big money offer. You know, we talked about not
Speaker 3: too long ago the kind of money that Mike Ausain
Speaker 3: was able to sign for before winning the CW Championship
Speaker 3: and getting a hand of that, our hands on that
Speaker 3: contract ahead of talking about him in WCW, and it
Speaker 3: was it was pretty wild, the kind of you know,
Speaker 3: six figure deals that Paul Hayman was willing to ink
Speaker 3: at this time without a whole hell of a lot
Speaker 3: to show for it from a revenue standpoint, although you know,
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine, early ninety nine at
Speaker 3: least there was reason for optimism that as they settled
Speaker 3: in on pay per view and really hit their stride
Speaker 3: and cleared in more systems, that significant revenue was going
Speaker 3: to start coming in from these shows and that it
Speaker 3: would lead to more ticket sales and merchandise, and they
Speaker 3: were getting licensing and things like that. So but come on,
Speaker 3: there are reasons to think that problem start affording these contracts.
Speaker 3: But the contract at the level that SID is expecting
Speaker 3: is just asking for trouble. And so it's probably just
Speaker 3: as well that he just positioned as this killer that
Speaker 3: came in and took people out and not somebody that
Speaker 3: was actually a pushed singles wrestler. Though we did have
Speaker 3: a handful of formal matches, it wasn't all just run
Speaker 3: in some and power bombs like that. But that was
Speaker 3: night one for SID there at Guilty is charged. And
Speaker 3: you know, it makes some sense because Paul Hayman was
Speaker 3: known to SID back from the Continental days of course
Speaker 3: Territory where he first linked up with Bruno Lauer Downtown,
Speaker 3: Bruno's manager as Lord Humongus. Paul Hayman was also there
Speaker 3: at the time, cutting his teeth as a manager, and
Speaker 3: of course followed Eddie Gilbert who was the booker in
Speaker 3: Continental to WCW where he became poly dangerously and following
Speaker 3: shortly behind was in fact Sid, who, as we've talked
Speaker 3: about earlier in our Sid tribute, really had the door
Speaker 3: open to him to World Championship Wrestling by virtue of
Speaker 3: Eddie Gilbert coming and working on the booking commute such
Speaker 3: as it was. So it makes some sense that, you know,
Speaker 3: Hayman would have Sid's ear in a way that maybe
Speaker 3: other indie promoters at the time in nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 3: and nineteen ninety nine wouldn't It also accounts for why
Speaker 3: he was able to bring in Dusty Rhodes a year later,
Speaker 3: as we talked about recently where we looked at his
Speaker 3: feud and match with Steve Carino, and so Sid is
Speaker 3: an ECW, and I just remember it being such a
Speaker 3: mind fuck because I don't know, you kind of put
Speaker 3: ECW in a certain category of you know, they're gonna
Speaker 3: make do with this ragtag group of guys that for
Speaker 3: the most part got over under their roof, right, and
Speaker 3: so you told yourself are doing it kind of at
Speaker 3: a cut rate to try to ride this revolution as
Speaker 3: far as it's going to go, and these aren't This
Speaker 3: isn't necessarily the most transactional locker room. With WWF and
Speaker 3: WCW breathing down their next trying to sign guys, it
Speaker 3: seemed like as they hit their own stride on pay
Speaker 3: per view that now MAYBECW could afford to keep some
Speaker 3: guys around, but not necessarily afford somebody like Sid, and
Speaker 3: that was one of the prevailing things. I remember when
Speaker 3: Sid came into ECW, it was just like, whoa like,
Speaker 3: did they have a lot more money than I realized?
Speaker 12: What is this?
Speaker 3: I mean, I know the particulars at all at the
Speaker 3: time of how much Sid was making, but didn't take
Speaker 3: a lot to deduce that he was one of the
Speaker 3: better paid wrestlers in the business at the time. So
Speaker 3: to see him come out in ECW as.
Speaker 4: Really it's kind of insane, like it, I mean, it's
Speaker 4: it is a trip. And it's also you know, he's
Speaker 4: just too much, you know when you when you look
Speaker 4: at ECW, it's it's not you know, he's so much
Speaker 4: part of the of like the machine, yes, you know,
Speaker 4: and he's not. Really these are for people the ECW.
Speaker 4: To me, it has always been people who who aren't
Speaker 4: part of the machines who are trying to get themselves over.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and that's right. This is guys who, for whatever
Speaker 3: reason wouldn't necessarily get an opportunity in the big two companies,
Speaker 3: and for that reason, ECW is the place that they're
Speaker 3: really going to go all out because that's their only
Speaker 3: chance to really shine at a higher level. And for
Speaker 3: a lot of guys, that was the case here with Sid.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. It was one of those proof points
Speaker 3: that happened all the time in ECW where these fans
Speaker 3: were so vehemently anti WWF, anti WCW, anti the Big two.
Speaker 3: But the second any of those guys graced the ECW
Speaker 3: a reno with their presence, these these fans just fell
Speaker 3: in love with anybody that had been on television in
Speaker 3: the week. I'm not anybody, but anybody that had been
Speaker 3: a superstar. It instantly wasn't like, what the fuck is
Speaker 3: he doing here? It instantly became, oh my god, he's
Speaker 3: you know, he's deemed us worthy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What was was the prevailing feeling and the way they
Speaker 3: popped for Sid and the way the way they want
Speaker 3: to Sid see Sid do all of his routine stuff,
Speaker 3: and they want to see the chokes limb. They want
Speaker 3: to see the power bomb. It just shocked me, honestly.
Speaker 3: I didn't think they would reject the guy. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: to rejoice that much that Sid was there. It surprised
Speaker 3: me in a similar way when Rick Rude came in
Speaker 3: It Barely Legal, and Jake Roberts showed up, and Jerry
Speaker 3: Lawler showed up and Dusty Rhodes showed up. We talked
Speaker 3: about how surprising it was that Dusty was so wholeheartedly
Speaker 3: embraced in the land of extreme. You know, they tried
Speaker 3: to play the whole on the original hardcore whatever the fuck.
Speaker 3: But you know, the fact of the matter is he
Speaker 3: was running WCW at the time when ECW was at
Speaker 3: its most anti establishment.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: He was a guy that kind of embodied the anti
Speaker 3: break your neck for the business and ring work rate
Speaker 3: approach that so many guys in ECW were respected by
Speaker 3: the fans for, and Sid too. Sid's not a guy
Speaker 3: that's going to go out there and kill himself for
Speaker 3: great match, No, no, absolutely not. He worked harder than
Speaker 3: I think his reputation proceeded, but still not a good
Speaker 3: fit for the style de jure and ECW. But the
Speaker 3: people just didn't fucking care. They kind of did the
Speaker 3: similar thing with nine one one, where he choke slammed
Speaker 3: everyone from you know, out of their fucking boots for
Speaker 3: weeks and weeks and months and months and months.
Speaker 4: People love that.
Speaker 3: That guy couldn't do anything. You didn't know anything about wrestling.
Speaker 3: He just choke slammed people.
Speaker 4: So I don't know anything about him, indeed, rest in peace.
Speaker 3: But they had, you know, they had that kind of
Speaker 3: archetype in ECW somebody that could fit in as just
Speaker 3: this crazy monster that would just come in and crush
Speaker 3: people for spectacle. And I'm sure it was going somewhere,
Speaker 3: but where Sid thought it was going, a fucking two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year contract was not
Speaker 3: ever probably going to be the case. But in terms
Speaker 3: of the pre existing relationship between U, Sid and Paully
Speaker 3: interesting insight into it. Sid once did an interview with
Speaker 3: the In Your Head podcast series where he talked a
Speaker 3: little bit about Polly, and he talks about him here
Speaker 3: in answering a question about Dave Marquez, who was a
Speaker 3: long time independent wrestling promoter on the West Coast who
Speaker 3: was booking people at the time of this interview and
Speaker 3: who you know Sid had an opinion about because he'd
Speaker 3: been in dialogue with him about potentially making an appearance.
Speaker 3: And the only reason that's relevant is because Sid decides
Speaker 3: to contrast in one very particular way Dave Marquez with
Speaker 3: the Paul Hayman he knew from ECW.
Speaker 5: Uh you mentioned Dave Marquez And I don't know if
Speaker 5: this ever got to you or not, but somebody who
Speaker 5: knows Dave Marcus told me that he came up with
Speaker 5: an idea for you where you'd be like you were
Speaker 5: frozen or something and then you get you like thought
Speaker 5: out for your return. No, it was very big, are.
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 17: No, I will think first, I don't think, you know,
Speaker 17: those guys are really nice guys, and I think the
Speaker 17: group of guys that tried really really hard, but the
Speaker 17: Nume have a a lot of uh sense of the business.
Speaker 17: I think you Dave of Spanish American version of Paul Lee. Yeah,
Speaker 17: I swear, but he's a little cleaner, a little more
Speaker 17: educated than Paulo. But enough said, I said, But you
Speaker 17: know that's that's sort of the deal. There's like, man,
Speaker 17: you don't know this guy's taking your shirt when you leave,
Speaker 17: when you leave your room, you know, it looks for
Speaker 17: your wallet. Then this guy talks too smooth. Man, I
Speaker 17: feel like I've been gone to president and rape. That's
Speaker 17: a conversation with you guy, Paul you know, just you know,
Speaker 17: it's just was nasty little dude, never showered and stuff,
Speaker 17: you know, so charm and that he really started not
Speaker 17: taking showers there at the end, and that's where he
Speaker 17: gives you that dirty version of him, you know. So
Speaker 17: I think that's why it gives Daymark Quz to say
Speaker 17: the upper swing on him. Say, you know what, talking face,
Speaker 17: we call those things hygiene hygiene. Yeah, the hygiene level
Speaker 17: daymarkies is like a day ahead of Paul.
Speaker 5: Does he compliment the man anyway?
Speaker 17: No, of course I did.
Speaker 4: What the fuck he's saying?
Speaker 3: Dave Marquez is like Polly, except he's cleaner than Paully.
Speaker 3: And Paulie stopped taking showers towards the end. Okay, smelled okay,
Speaker 3: And he says that, uh sure, he smells like fucking roses,
Speaker 3: a hygiene thing. He couldn't think of the word for hygiene.
Speaker 3: So yeah, definitely an interesting dynamic between Sid and Paulie.
Speaker 3: As he looks back on it. Yeah, but here's how
Speaker 3: it happened, here's how it came together to get him
Speaker 3: to come into E.
Speaker 12: C W.
Speaker 3: And Uh, as you can imagine, and as I can
Speaker 3: assure you, it's all very sid So.
Speaker 24: I got a call from Paul and he was, you know, said,
Speaker 24: hey like to bring in sort of a you know,
Speaker 24: unadvertised in the beginning.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 24: I know, for what I think I know of the business,
Speaker 24: I think he was really doing a great job a
Speaker 24: way he was using me. It was pretty much like said,
Speaker 24: usually unannounced, unadvertised. I'd show up, you know, power bottle
Speaker 24: a bunch of guys, especially at their TV tapings, and
Speaker 24: then then they then they were doing some advertising for
Speaker 24: some of.
Speaker 14: The house shows. But this was was the problem.
Speaker 24: We had a deal worked out where say, you know,
Speaker 24: one hundred dollars a week, I can't remember what it was,
Speaker 24: and if I worked over two days or whatever like
Speaker 24: that was become extra money. Sure, well, I told him
Speaker 24: I was willing to work as many days as possible,
Speaker 24: and then he would call me and say, hey, what
Speaker 24: about this weekend. Well, this weekend, Morty booked me and
Speaker 24: he'd already advertised me for some of those towns. But
Speaker 24: I can't remember now, but outside of New York of it,
Speaker 24: and then people started wrapped giving me a wrap of
Speaker 24: doing the Nose Show, which I oh my god, I
Speaker 24: did know I was advertised because I know when I
Speaker 24: was advertised, I would have made the show because we
Speaker 24: were also trying to work to do. If he could
Speaker 24: have paid me, to say, up to two hundred and
Speaker 24: fifty thousand dollars a year, then I was going to.
Speaker 14: Be a permanent figure.
Speaker 24: Okay, you know, so that you know he was trying
Speaker 24: to talk me into that, which I was trying to
Speaker 24: talk us about it, you know, because I was always
Speaker 24: I was looking to go to one of two big
Speaker 24: companies at the time.
Speaker 3: That's crazy that they were really trying to make a
Speaker 3: play for Sid like that. Yeah, I don't really believe it,
Speaker 3: But what do you know, boss, I mean, what what
Speaker 3: a circumstance where Sid finds himself in a place that
Speaker 3: someone's advertising him for a show that he knows he
Speaker 3: can't make, and the promoter knows he can't make, and
Speaker 3: he gets this reputation as a no.
Speaker 4: Show Sid get out of here.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, It's just amazing how a guy
Speaker 3: who did no show things also was such a victim
Speaker 3: of circumstance in that when he didn't show up, promoters
Speaker 3: just took advantage of that.
Speaker 4: And just we're able to come on.
Speaker 3: Hey fave the people into thinking, based on his past reputation,
Speaker 3: that yeah, this is something he would do. But according
Speaker 3: to Sid Paul was advertising him for shows he was
Speaker 3: never even on. And again all they did was ask
Speaker 3: him how the CID how the ECW thing came together,
Speaker 3: And pretty soon he's meandering into this whole excuse series
Speaker 3: about oh, of course for everything, and he's going to
Speaker 3: it's going to find its way into the conversation even
Speaker 3: if he's not asked directly, because that's his his pre
Speaker 3: eminent memory about every little chapter of his career is
Speaker 3: you know, a moment where he did, arguably at least
Speaker 3: to me, uh, pulled a power play and uh and
Speaker 3: it had hurt him in the eyes of the fans
Speaker 3: or something or the consumer. And he's going to make
Speaker 3: up for that here in the interview and explain that
Speaker 3: he was he wasn't told about the shows he was
Speaker 3: advertised on. And as Bruce Richard said, you got Vince's number,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure he had Paully's number as well, but
Speaker 3: here we go, here goes the the fun and games
Speaker 3: in the land of extreme when you're inessed with Sid.
Speaker 3: He did go on to say that ECW was the
Speaker 3: second most fun he had had in the business. Now
Speaker 3: this is a shoot interviews he's doing shortly after the run,
Speaker 3: where it probably made a little more sense to stay
Speaker 3: in the good graces of Polly than any else. But
Speaker 3: talked about guys being really nice to him in the
Speaker 3: ECW locker room, calling out Saboo and Rob Van Dam
Speaker 3: in particular and RVD what's pretty complimentary reflecting on Sid
Speaker 3: after his passing on his podcast and such. So he's
Speaker 3: doing an indie show and then he does a Queen's
Speaker 3: ECW taping and or at least he shows up, I
Speaker 3: should say, at a Queen's ECW taping because he's owed money.
Speaker 3: He's owed money and he's not happy that.
Speaker 4: Paul you know, come on exactly then nothing. You know,
Speaker 4: if he's owed money, he's going to cause a stink.
Speaker 3: And that Paulie is telling people he's going to be
Speaker 3: at a show that he isn't going to be at,
Speaker 3: which you know, is just something that always ends up
Speaker 3: happening to the guy, and he gets his reputation as
Speaker 3: a no show. So he shows up with a Tommy
Speaker 3: Rodgers who's a longtime veteran of the business and also
Speaker 3: was with ECW at the time and apparently had made
Speaker 3: an alliance with SID because he also had concerns about
Speaker 3: money and ECW was so many others would go on
Speaker 3: to have and you know, Sid, I just want to
Speaker 3: be clear, boss, when he shows up unannounced or uninvited
Speaker 3: to this Queen's ECW after this bit of curflow, he
Speaker 3: is definitely not crying to strong arm Paul Hayman.
Speaker 24: Okay, well, I showed up and Paul is freaking you know,
Speaker 24: because I was with Tommy Rodgers's the time. Rogers was
Speaker 24: owed some money as well. Of course Tommy forced him
Speaker 24: to give him cash. I said, Paul, you send me
Speaker 24: another check. You know, I know, you know you're You've
Speaker 24: been good to me. I'm not here to worry about
Speaker 24: my money. I'm just here dropping and saying what's going on?
Speaker 24: Why haven't you called me? You know, things like why
Speaker 24: are you I'm getting the wrap of not doing those
Speaker 24: shows and you haven't told me that I was booked
Speaker 24: on any of these shows. And he was so paranoid.
Speaker 24: He wouldn't let me, you know, anybody see me through
Speaker 24: the curtain and stuff like that. I think it sort
Speaker 24: of got blown out of portion and I came there
Speaker 24: to strong arm some people, which I didn't. You know,
Speaker 24: I came with Tommy Rogers, who's you know, a little
Speaker 24: bitty guy said, and uh, never even took any money,
Speaker 24: you know, he sent me my money and the check
Speaker 24: was good.
Speaker 3: Definitely not a strong arm thing. No, no, no, it's
Speaker 3: going to make the record clear there.
Speaker 4: The weak arm thing.
Speaker 3: Actually, it's pretty funny to think about Paul French trying
Speaker 3: to make sure that the fans don't see him so
Speaker 3: they expect Sid to come out later and be disappointed.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know, if you're concerned that the
Speaker 4: fans might be disappointed, maybe he's not the right guy
Speaker 4: for the job.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 3: If you find yourself having to actively hide someone who
Speaker 3: is one of the bigger stars in the industry from
Speaker 3: your fan base, maybe there's a problem here. Maybe yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe something isn't correctly calibrated in the first place. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you're not going to tell people Sid's going to be somewhere,
Speaker 3: not tell him about the show and then foist the
Speaker 3: heat on him, which is what he said happened. But
Speaker 3: he got his check in the mail. He got his
Speaker 3: check in the mail. He didn't demand cash on site,
Speaker 3: so this was hardly a strong arm thing. He just
Speaker 3: showed up without being invited. I don't know what the
Speaker 3: big deal is, So we fast forward. He never does
Speaker 3: that Living Dangerously nineteen ninety nine, which is ECW second
Speaker 3: pay per view of the year.
Speaker 4: It seems like that's what Sid is doing all the time.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, And the Dudleys are in the ring, and
Speaker 3: it's going to really be an interesting flashpoint I think
Speaker 3: for SID and the culture clash of the CW locker room.
Speaker 3: Of course, whenever you involve Bubba Dudley and anything, it's
Speaker 3: going to be a fucking, you know, fiasco. And and
Speaker 3: here I'm trying to decode some of what Sid saying
Speaker 3: in an R video shoot interview about THECW run. He's
Speaker 3: trying to make reference to something involving a table. Apparently
Speaker 3: some moment that was going to be climactic where somebody
Speaker 3: puts him through a table finally, and this apparently was
Speaker 3: a big fucking negotiation or something. It wasn't just a
Speaker 3: spot called one Night, and Sid wants you to know,
Speaker 3: despite what you may have heard, he volunteers this. Of course,
Speaker 3: no one asked him about it, that he was totally
Speaker 3: willing to do the table thing if they didn't try
Speaker 3: to sneak it in. The problem was, the problem was
Speaker 3: mult listening.
Speaker 24: Problem was those guys all were uh, Bubba Dudley and
Speaker 24: super nice guy, a little bit of a prima donna.
Speaker 24: But I don't know if it was you know, maybe
Speaker 24: he was jealous of me coming in. I don't know,
Speaker 24: maybe that's just his personality. I've got personality. People take
Speaker 24: the wrong way too, because I'm quiet to myself a lot,
Speaker 24: you know, and try to get to know people. But
Speaker 24: they are a lot of fun to work with Saboo.
Speaker 24: That made it a lot of fun too. And uh,
Speaker 24: you know, this is what is bad about the business.
Speaker 24: I didn't realize that till at the end, that they
Speaker 24: were setting me up for a table deal for a Saboo.
Speaker 14: All they had to do is asking me.
Speaker 20: I don't mind.
Speaker 24: And if anybody really looks back and sees the things
Speaker 24: I've done, I have honestly volunteered to do more jobs
Speaker 24: than most people have done like beause, especially if I
Speaker 24: was a main event and they came with a d
Speaker 24: Q or a double count out, I said, no, I'm
Speaker 24: putting the guy over, you know, especially as a hill.
Speaker 24: You know, I said, this is not this is not
Speaker 24: the way to end the show. So that's the thing
Speaker 24: is that they would have just presented that to me,
Speaker 24: and I tried to I still have now what.
Speaker 4: The fuck he's talking about. I don't know.
Speaker 3: We talking about the Dudley's and he's talking about a
Speaker 3: spot where Sabba was supposed to put him through a table,
Speaker 3: and somehow they expected to try to do that to
Speaker 3: him without telling him and asking him, which I don't
Speaker 3: understand at all.
Speaker 4: But maybe I don't know how that works. Maybe more
Speaker 4: late is.
Speaker 3: About to be shed on how ECW communication used to work,
Speaker 3: and maybe maybe Sid picks up on some of the
Speaker 3: subtle ways that they would try to get over on
Speaker 3: people on television to the benefit of their own homegrown guys.
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to develop the thesis here based on
Speaker 3: these disparate parts and the weird places that Sid's mind
Speaker 3: goes when he's asked about working with the Dudleys, which,
Speaker 3: of course took places mentioned in a similar segment to
Speaker 3: what we just saw with John Cronos on the Living
Speaker 3: Dangerously pay per view, where the Dudleys is they were
Speaker 3: wont to do at the time, kind of take over
Speaker 3: the middle of the ring. Bubba grabs the mic and
Speaker 3: just starts like a profanity laced tirade against anybody and everybody,
Speaker 3: challenging people, calling out fans, calling him homosexuals and things
Speaker 3: like that. So here's what it sounded like when Sid
Speaker 3: clashed with the Dudley's at ECW Living Day Interesting nineteen.
Speaker 2: Boy, let's not start something.
Speaker 10: We can't finish.
Speaker 11: No one.
Speaker 1: Is there?
Speaker 2: No man with the nuts?
Speaker 4: Is there?
Speaker 2: No man Toumber? Now?
Speaker 11: Is there?
Speaker 17: No man?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 12: Now?
Speaker 2: Tom getting the ring more?
Speaker 4: Godley boys?
Speaker 10: All right, you made your point.
Speaker 23: You embarrass yourselves by spiking Bob Artis with a godly
Speaker 23: death drop.
Speaker 4: Why are you in breads?
Speaker 2: Just quit while you're ahead. Get the hell out of it.
Speaker 2: Oh no, and no jog because bad man, you leave
Speaker 2: me back.
Speaker 8: Change change James Harry, come here.
Speaker 2: It is Wow, there's no bad.
Speaker 12: Enough.
Speaker 2: I'morayan TiVo Dudley.
Speaker 8: Be careful with your whisper because she is here and
Speaker 8: the Dudley boys.
Speaker 3: Look ready, there's no man bad enough.
Speaker 2: You shout, whoa, I wouldn't.
Speaker 14: Look at what.
Speaker 22: You're such a psycho and you're so dicious's razy ro said,
Speaker 22: no man, no man, start shut up, and the Dudley
Speaker 22: wife is.
Speaker 3: Going to work on said, and then you start beating
Speaker 3: said down a bit.
Speaker 4: Oh Jesus.
Speaker 23: And now the four o'clock time World Tag Team Champions.
Speaker 12: And working over.
Speaker 2: The six foot tag Wait, wats palmon? So apian country boy?
Speaker 4: You're sure not pretty mouth?
Speaker 18: WHOA?
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't need to hear that. It's up the rod.
Speaker 3: Whoa there's that ecw ring sound? Yeah, seriously, Sid takes
Speaker 3: over Jesus. He stretches Devon and then Spike Dudley, who
Speaker 3: was there, jumps off the ropes. He's supposed to actually
Speaker 3: jump off Sid's shoulders and clothesline Devon off a stretcher
Speaker 3: that's positioned on a ramp, and it just falls apart.
Speaker 3: Falls apart, of course he does, and then Sid just
Speaker 3: goes out and picks up the stretcher and drops it
Speaker 3: across Devon's back. Spike hits an acid drop on Bubba
Speaker 3: in the ring for the one two three, So basically
Speaker 3: goes down as Spike Dudley and Sid as a team
Speaker 3: defeating the Dudley's here Living Dangerously ninety nine and then
Speaker 3: Sid Well he power bomb Spike Dudley for no reason, no,
Speaker 3: why not in the ring, and then he power bombs
Speaker 3: him off the fucking ramp through a table on the
Speaker 3: concrete at a high rate of speed, extra hard, for
Speaker 3: no reason. And that's Sid styles goes Now, honestly, what
Speaker 3: was the point of that? And I think says it
Speaker 3: all there, and they chance Sid rapidly. Listen at these
Speaker 3: these proud ECW fans buss they can't stop chanting Sid.
Speaker 4: He's such a he is such an a weird phenomenon,
Speaker 4: but he always gets this kind of reaction when he
Speaker 4: first shows up.
Speaker 3: When he first shows up, exactly when people lay eyes
Speaker 3: on him, they just want to see him do his thing,
Speaker 3: and he's doing it here for sure. And they chance
Speaker 3: Sid rapidly as he just walks to the back and
Speaker 3: parts the curtain with them panding up like they used
Speaker 3: to do with that ECW sign right above the entrance curtain.
Speaker 4: And that's it.
Speaker 3: Sid has done what he came to do. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 3: can you imagine just for a second. We heard Bubba
Speaker 3: Dudley's words there. I don't know what you thought about
Speaker 3: his promo, Eh, bob Ry Dudley. Can you imagine getting
Speaker 3: sid to agree to having the Dudley say to him
Speaker 3: when they're beating him down, that's a pretty mouth you got.
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like that's not something he actually agreed to.
Speaker 3: We heard that little twist there in the sit commentary
Speaker 3: from the shoot interview calling making sure to take the
Speaker 3: time to call Bubba Dudley a prima donna?
Speaker 4: What's that about? What could that be?
Speaker 3: Had to be tied to this segment, had to be
Speaker 3: tied to this interaction that he had with the Dudley's
Speaker 3: on a big stage here on pay per view. I've
Speaker 3: never seen the Dudley's comment on it, though, so it's
Speaker 3: kind of it's kind of hard to say, you know
Speaker 3: what what was and wasn't understood ahead of time. Of course,
Speaker 3: a lot of that stuff is just up to our supposition.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, what's this, KP.
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 25: It's twenty four time world tag team champion Dvon Dudley
Speaker 25: here and now hear you got a couple of questions
Speaker 25: that you want me to answer.
Speaker 4: Now, usually they.
Speaker 25: Don't give me requests. Where people want me to answer questions,
Speaker 25: it's usually wanting to say starting like happy birthday, things
Speaker 25: like that, brother you this so yes, Living Dangerously e
Speaker 25: c W nineteen ninety nine was a very very good
Speaker 25: pay per few for the Dudly boys. We wrestled Sid
Speaker 25: that day, and you know he was a big, big man,
Speaker 25: loved working with. Said crazy as hell, but a really
Speaker 25: really down to earth good guy. One of the questions
Speaker 25: you asked was when Bubba said you got a pretty mouth?
Speaker 25: Was it hard to get Sid to agree with that? Well,
Speaker 25: first and foremost, Bubba never asked, He just said it,
Speaker 25: and that was it. Oh, that was the way we
Speaker 25: did things back then. I said as permission too many times.
Speaker 25: But we knew what level of respect to have for
Speaker 25: a person getting in the ring, such as a guy
Speaker 25: like Sid who had been in WWE, w c W
Speaker 25: and other organizations way before he got to ECW, so
Speaker 25: we knew what ground to flirt with and what grounds
Speaker 25: not to flirt with. He was great to work with,
Speaker 25: very intent, somebody that basically made you push it when
Speaker 25: you didn't want to push it.
Speaker 4: You asked the question, Eric, Sid said.
Speaker 25: Vince said, Vince, I'm sorry Sid said that Bubba was
Speaker 25: at Prima Donna. Well, if he said it, he never
Speaker 25: said it to us. It wasn't something like, you know,
Speaker 25: he said it to be disrespectful anything. He could have
Speaker 25: been in character. We didn't know Sid like that for
Speaker 25: him to make that kind of comment, And we really
Speaker 25: didn't deal with Sid back then.
Speaker 4: At the pay per view.
Speaker 25: It was basically Paul Haman coming to us, telling us
Speaker 25: what he wanted, and then told Sid. And then it
Speaker 25: was conveyed that we understood what Sid would and Sid
Speaker 25: understood what we wanted.
Speaker 4: So we went that way and we had a great
Speaker 4: time in ECW. So again, there was a.
Speaker 25: Level of respect back then that we had for one
Speaker 25: another that we were able to do things like that
Speaker 25: without crossing the line. So I hope that answered your questions.
Speaker 25: And thank you so much for this, and you know,
Speaker 25: I wish you nothing but the best, and take care
Speaker 25: of yourself and hope see you soon. And I hope
Speaker 25: you enjoyed this cameo. Take care of my friend.
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Speaker 4: Thank you Devon.
Speaker 3: He he feeled the question gamely. Indeed, I think indeed,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what that Prima Donna comment was all about,
Speaker 3: which is fair game and I guess sure, sure, But
Speaker 3: there's the confirmation that Sid did not see that line coming.
Speaker 3: And it sounds like you sniffed that one out right away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would imagine. I don't think sidce he's a
Speaker 4: lot coming in fairness. Right, that's a great point.
Speaker 3: Actually, they could have easily run it by him and
Speaker 3: he would have no clue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean he could have. I feel like
Speaker 4: they they could have given him an exact line reading
Speaker 4: and he would have been totally taken aback.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: A lot more in that category to come as we
Speaker 3: continue with our tribute to Sid. But yeah, so that
Speaker 3: line and you can kind of see Sid blow a
Speaker 3: bubble and bubb his face after he you know, call
Speaker 3: some the the the F word slur there and just
Speaker 3: kind of like, Okay, we're doing this, like I'm in
Speaker 3: the ring now, and you're gonna grab the moment and
Speaker 3: say a bunch of things that make you look like
Speaker 3: you're not afraid of me and and running all that
Speaker 3: and knowing you're about to beat me down, you're gonna
Speaker 3: go extra aggressive about of course, it gets his gets
Speaker 3: back on track to say the very least power bombs
Speaker 3: Devon and beats the shit out of a bubba. But
Speaker 3: I don't know that that that pretty little mouth line
Speaker 3: was just not something I think Sid expected to hear.
Speaker 11: What he's on his knees taking the beat down.
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree, And there's it's a very it's
Speaker 4: an interesting one.
Speaker 3: There's the confirmation from Devon himself, and interesting to hear
Speaker 3: him say, like, you know, it's not like we would
Speaker 3: sit down with the people that we would interact with
Speaker 3: and run things by each other. It went through Paul,
Speaker 3: which I can totally see Paul leveraging to the hilt.
Speaker 3: You know, he said this, he said this. I'll bring
Speaker 3: this word back to him, always wanting to be the
Speaker 3: intermediary in case there was anything that had to be
Speaker 3: I don't know, conveniently lost. And yeah, between the parties,
Speaker 3: we didn't know Sid like that. He says, we had
Speaker 3: respect not to cross the line. I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: what as cross the line sound like? I guess they
Speaker 3: could have went out.
Speaker 4: There at DNA. Was that TNA.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he never went over there, so I guess he
Speaker 3: truly didn't cross the line Sid that is, But I
Speaker 3: don't know. That just struck me as a flashpoint in
Speaker 3: his ECW history and might inform why he was sure
Speaker 3: to make that comment when asked about Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 3: hardcore having comes around May sixteenth, ninety nine mid Hudson
Speaker 3: Civic Center and Poughkeepsie and on the show Just Incredible
Speaker 3: actually worked Sid Vicious. They went to a no contest
Speaker 3: in two minutes. ACRN RVD Credible was rather rather worried
Speaker 3: that he wouldn't be able to get much of a
Speaker 3: match out of Sid, and RVD was there he our
Speaker 3: RVD had this match in mind with Sid that never happened,
Speaker 3: never consummated that he thought really would have been awesome,
Speaker 3: where you know, he'd be able to work all around
Speaker 3: Sid's strengths and really pull some rabbits out of the
Speaker 3: hat and make Sid look better than he ever had.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I actually hear hearing already talk
Speaker 3: about that. I was kind of intrigued like an rv
Speaker 3: D versus Sid match, I don't think it would suck.
Speaker 4: I really don't. No, I think they could be pretty good.
Speaker 4: I think I think that would actually be I mean,
Speaker 4: I'd be certainly interested to watch it. I wouldn't be
Speaker 4: turned off by it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Just seeing the way he would the way he would
Speaker 3: take off for some of Sid's power offense would be
Speaker 3: would be really interesting to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I could see how RVD would find ways to
Speaker 3: fly into him and really without him having to do
Speaker 3: an awful lot, you know. In according to Just Incredible
Speaker 3: for what it's worth, he saw Sid as a fill
Speaker 3: in for Shane Douglas, who had departed the company. He
Speaker 3: says in his book, we feuded with Dreamer and Douglas
Speaker 3: working a big match together Living Dangerously on March twenty one.
Speaker 3: Soon after that, I lost a match Douglas at Cyber Slam.
Speaker 3: But come mid nineteen ninety nine, the feud with Dreamer
Speaker 3: and Douglas ended when Douglas left the company. Following Douglas's departure,
Speaker 3: Sid Udy Everyone's favorite fill in, took over for Douglas
Speaker 3: for a time. So that's the extent of what he
Speaker 3: says about Sid. But it's interesting to hear him frame
Speaker 3: to someone that was really brought in because they were
Speaker 3: losing Shane Douglas. ECW then moved to Detroit on May
Speaker 3: twenty second of nineteen ninety nine at the Michigan State Fairgrounds,
Speaker 3: where yes, you heard this right, Rod Price goes to
Speaker 3: a note contest with Sid. Wow in ECW, that's the
Speaker 3: main event anywhere in the country, that's the main event
Speaker 3: everyone needs. So here's Sid on his sojourn to ECW
Speaker 3: what it meant to him in retrospect, because that's the
Speaker 3: extent of it. We just read off everything that pretty
Speaker 3: much happened. Seemed like there was an awful lot more
Speaker 3: on the table that didn't actually ever take place. Wow,
Speaker 3: I'm sure after that a surprise meeting in Queen's there
Speaker 3: wasn't much left to the relationship between Sid and ECW,
Speaker 3: but he made a couple of impactful pay per view
Speaker 3: appearances that there were a lot of eyeballs on that
Speaker 3: we just played for you. Yeah, and so it's remembered
Speaker 3: rather vividly by an ECW fan base that was kind
Speaker 3: of blown away when a guy of his statue stature
Speaker 3: would park those those curtains here, sit down to shoot interview.
Speaker 3: Looking back on ECW and that short run and what
Speaker 3: it portended for the next move in his wrestling career.
Speaker 17: Well, the thing was is this, you know, I'm looking
Speaker 17: for a platform ore is to you know, preach off
Speaker 17: of and that was a perfect platform to let the
Speaker 17: world see me in a small scale. Uh, somewhat a
Speaker 17: lot larger, but somewhat the same as d nw A.
Speaker 17: That's and then too it just you know, I knew
Speaker 17: Pauli for a long time. Actually I did my first
Speaker 17: gimmick Lordian Mongers started with Pauli just for a huge
Speaker 17: shots of Memphis before I went down to Continental with Bruno.
Speaker 17: But uh, and then there's a hell a place to
Speaker 17: go to. I still believe that, I, you know, was
Speaker 17: there that that place that really had a chance to
Speaker 17: do something. But once I got there a little bit
Speaker 17: and saw how things were going there that I realized
Speaker 17: it did never make it big because they were too intent,
Speaker 17: too too badly wanted to have the company always larger
Speaker 17: than the boys. You know, they really have fans channing
Speaker 17: c W then say you know whoever you know, so
Speaker 17: you know it's like and then it's just, you know,
Speaker 17: I don't know. These guys were all nice to me.
Speaker 17: I don't have word argument. Guy out of the place, right.
Speaker 17: So but when you're pushing your top guys, it's taz
Speaker 17: and he can't make in the WWS because he's too short.
Speaker 17: That tells you that you know your hair cutting yourself.
Speaker 17: You know, if he had a lot of office business,
Speaker 17: wouldn't be doing.
Speaker 5: Interested in how this contract if e c w like
Speaker 5: you know, if it would have been a little bit bigger,
Speaker 5: would it would have been in a place like you
Speaker 5: would have liked that, like.
Speaker 4: A longer run.
Speaker 17: Well, let's say he was. It came really close to
Speaker 17: that happened, you know, Paul was really and he got
Speaker 17: it pretty close for the money, you know, to give
Speaker 17: me the money I needed, but not enough though, and
Speaker 17: so but no, I was no, I'm glad I didn't
Speaker 17: stay there because he never guy's company, you know, any bigger.
Speaker 17: So I would province anyway, which I don't I want
Speaker 17: to do anyway. But it was just that particular time
Speaker 17: you're out there lobbying yourself, and man Eric came across
Speaker 17: with you know, dyl the lifetime, and I would have
Speaker 17: turned that down for nothing.
Speaker 3: Eric came across boss with the deal wow of a lifetime,
Speaker 3: and it was to hear Sid say it in no
Speaker 3: small part because he found himself back on television. We
Speaker 3: know u Bischoff never shied away from recruiting his next
Speaker 3: big act from ECW. It seemed to be a key
Speaker 3: part of his playbook and Sid crossing his plane of consciousness.
Speaker 3: But you know, there's there wasn't the greatest ending to
Speaker 3: Sid in Atlanta the last time he was there.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 3: A lot of issues, a lot of problems, a lot
Speaker 3: of considerations. But you know what if Sid is not
Speaker 3: getting the contract he's he's liking from Paul Hayman and
Speaker 3: he's not liking what he's seeing the waycw's framed up,
Speaker 3: I'm sure he went after Taz in that interview for
Speaker 3: one specific reason, because Taz was making more than he was.
Speaker 3: Tat A signed Taz to a big I think to
Speaker 3: fifty I'm not exactly sure, but they signed him to
Speaker 3: a big money deal to try to keep him, and
Speaker 3: of course by the end of ninety nine he's making
Speaker 3: the jump. So I'm sure in Sid's mind that's that's
Speaker 3: the dollar for you, right, he would want to stay,
Speaker 3: and the fact that they gave it to somebody else
Speaker 3: that couldn't make it in WWF is something he kept
Speaker 3: very close attention to, kept a very close score on.
Speaker 3: That's that's how sid rolled and so calling him out there.
Speaker 3: But now he's back on the national stage to some degree,
Speaker 3: and people are seeing what he has to bring to
Speaker 3: the table. And Boss, I don't know. I mean, if
Speaker 3: we know Eric Bischoff, i'd say it's time to to
Speaker 3: gas up the jet engine plane. Don't when you say so, oh.
Speaker 4: I think you know, listen, if he if he wants somebody,
Speaker 4: it's time to exactly get on the lear jet and
Speaker 4: travel and you know, fly over and and and really
Speaker 4: make a deal with somebody. Because he's cool. Eric's cool.
Speaker 16: But when I flew to he said for the very
Speaker 16: first time to bring him in. When I was I
Speaker 16: wasn't charge.
Speaker 4: At the time, I had my.
Speaker 16: Own plane, so I fooled myself to Yeah, oh god,
Speaker 16: the little town he lived in, Mississippi.
Speaker 4: And I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 16: I'd heard all the stories, all the dirt sheet bullshit
Speaker 16: from guys like Dave Meltzer. Went into the meeting with
Speaker 16: I was, I was cautious, I was reserved. I didn't
Speaker 16: know what to expect. Man, humble home, humble guy, small
Speaker 16: town that's what he loved in his family, obviously, and
Speaker 16: I kind of admire someone, especially at a young age,
Speaker 16: especially when people are dangling buckets and buckets and buckets
Speaker 16: and money in front of you. When you're a small
Speaker 16: town guy from Mississippi, who's you know, happy driver a
Speaker 16: twenty year old car. As long as it works, that
Speaker 16: was it. He wasn't. He didn't live above his means.
Speaker 16: Money was I guess important to him. But it's clear
Speaker 16: to me now, especially in retrospect, as you just pointed out,
Speaker 16: his life, his family, his community was far more important
Speaker 16: than perhaps another opportunity to wrestle in a WrestleMania main
Speaker 16: event or WCW main event. He had his priorities straight.
Speaker 16: They're pretty uncommon in this business, and I understand that.
Speaker 16: You know, it's hard for people to wrap their head
Speaker 16: around the idea that someone like sid would jeopardize hundreds
Speaker 16: of thousands of dollars because being with his family and
Speaker 16: being in this community and be a part of it
Speaker 16: was actually more important to him.
Speaker 14: I admire that.
Speaker 3: Well, that sounds like he's found a way to get
Speaker 3: over the stabbing.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I guess so, I guess it's fine to
Speaker 4: I may mean was arn was retired by this point, right, he.
Speaker 3: Was retired from the ring, but he was definitely working
Speaker 3: at WCW every day.
Speaker 4: But you know they were retired from the ring though,
Speaker 4: so he's fine.
Speaker 3: Easy to keep them apart.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, turns out to be something that addressed and something
Speaker 3: that certainly wouldn't provide an in an insurmountable barrier. And
Speaker 3: that's that would imagine remarkable when you think about what
Speaker 3: actually happened in that hotel in England. But here we are,
Speaker 3: and this is the wrestling business, and it's intense, the
Speaker 3: battle between w w F and ww and even ECW
Speaker 3: making a bid for someone like a Sid. It's time
Speaker 3: for the w CW largess. It's time for Sid Boss,
Speaker 3: as he tells Sean Mooney here to after all of
Speaker 3: these kind of false starts in his mind, finally, yes,
Speaker 3: finally cash in.
Speaker 26: So Eric Bischoff lies a private plane. I pick him
Speaker 26: up at the West Memphis Airport. We go to Cracker
Speaker 26: Burrow and we sit there and make it deal with
Speaker 26: Cracker Barrow. All right, you know, he says, he goes,
Speaker 26: We're going to start you out at one point six, right,
Speaker 26: that's exactly what I was making province for four years, right, Okay,
Speaker 26: so I'm figuring he already knew that. I'm sitting there,
Speaker 26: I'm looking at him. Okay, you know this evidently, right,
Speaker 26: But I didn't say anything. Then he goes, but he said,
Speaker 26: I mean one point six year first year said I, Oh,
Speaker 26: my fucking god, you know, because I'm trying not to
Speaker 26: show that how happy I am. So I said, well,
Speaker 26: let me think about it, you know. So I take
Speaker 26: you back to the airport, drop you mom. He actually
Speaker 26: flew himself in. He's a power as well. So did
Speaker 26: they call me the next day? We talked about on
Speaker 26: the phone.
Speaker 3: I say yeah, I say, yeah, sounds like a big
Speaker 3: money contract there, boss, Yeah, I does. But of course
Speaker 3: we'll never know what actually was in the contract.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that.
Speaker 3: Next time, on the TLF Tribute to Sid, we embark
Speaker 3: upon his final run in the National Spotlight, the one
Speaker 3: that would see the end of his career in some
Speaker 3: of his prime earning years. And yes, friends, we dig
Speaker 3: in to Sid's complete WCW contract. We'll see you next time.
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