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Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn

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Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling.

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Speaker 3: I never seen anything.

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Speaker 2: And it's the laps fan name by the one in

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the ring.

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Speaker 4: Forget about Slado. He the real king of swing.

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Speaker 5: When the bell.

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Speaker 2: Goes in and the kick like me throwing in the corner.

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Speaker 4: But it's lash like stick.

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Speaker 2: Even Jerry King can sake off the crowd nodded in.

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Speaker 6: His head like it.

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Speaker 2: Steve low Brown, would you get low down?

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Speaker 4: Go even high up? Flipp you on your head?

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Speaker 7: But you know cool driver, you speak more now and

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dragon spits fire give you more shock than when head

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treats higher drop a more truth than the con of

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sniper unless you would a coconut.

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Speaker 8: Roddy Piper, Jack a JP.

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Speaker 7: He like j y d drop the cupcakes and gold

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the brain Bob means the best podcast Frost start the

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Speaker 3: We've already kind of talked about it in our look

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back at the remarkable career of sid. He kind of

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disappeared in nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 4: From the WWF. Yes, yeah, it's very weird.

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Speaker 3: And we last we're with our hero here on our

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tribute TLF style to Sid, who, of course we lost

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this year. We had listened to the audio of him

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dropping the WWF Championship to Undertaker at WrestleMania thirteen, which

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of course was his second title run, and then after

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that we hit you with the deep dive of his

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winning the championship over Brettbart on the February seventeenth, nineteen

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ninety seven Raw, and it just seemed like, all right,

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Sid has now arrived. He's won the championship twice. He's

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now a firmly ensconced main event player. He's going to

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be around for a while, especially as WWFRE constitutes its

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image and tries to go more attitudinal and features him

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and things like the Raw is War opening package and

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all of that. And then he's gone. And you were

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really keen to point it out. I wasn't sure as

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if we went you would forget this or not recall it.

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But you remember the last time we saw Sid on

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WWF television.

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Speaker 4: I do it, you know, because I, uh, just because

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what happened for me was I It's not because I

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remember it from being when I was watching back then.

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It's rewatching the raws more recently within the last like

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I don't know, probably eight eight, seven, eight years, whatever

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it is, because I saw the show. You know, I'm

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watching every war and then you know, he just vanishes

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kind of after you know, I think he fast pay

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per view was King of the Ring and then he's

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just kind of gone. And then a few weeks later,

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all of a sudden, he comes out as maybe Steve

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Austin's one of Steve Austin's potential partners for Canadian Stampede,

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and it was one of the most jarring things I'd

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ever seen.

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Speaker 3: Tell me why, Tell me why?

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Speaker 4: Because you know, as a fan, I just kind of

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accepted the fact that he was just gone, you know,

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that he was gone whatever. And he disappeared after King

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of the Ring and that was it, and so and

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even then he was I don't think I remember him

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being featured too much on TV, and so to see

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him come out and not really do anything, it's just

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an appearance, like his music hits and he comes out

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and poses, but that's it, and then he's gone, and

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that's kind of it. Like it's just a weird to me.

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It's it's like it's like Vader being in in the

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WW like way into ninety eight more than he should have,

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right than I'm comfortable, right more than you know, because

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you're like, are you serious? Like Vader was there and

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it's like, wait, Sid was still there, Like what the fuck?

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Speaker 3: Right here, I am thinking that this was a big

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enough impact player that if he did anything on WDWF

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television I would remember, not there would be eight months

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after my last memory of the guy where he was

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actually still on television, right, And I definitely Sid fits

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that category. But you know that justified tribute show in

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Lapstom because you remember these things, of these these fleeting appearances.

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There are so many other wrestlers I'm sure that made

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appearances months after their last one and then disappeared into

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the night that we never think about again. But for Sid,

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it just seemed significant that he was missing. Was it

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was a noticeable absence, and like you said, he sort

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of popped his head back up one more time, very

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and much the same way he did in nineteen ninety

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six for the International Incident replacing Ultimate Warrior. Right here

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is that are preparing a multi person a tag team

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main event for in your house in July. The next year,

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his name is in the sauce again for Team USA,

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and I invite you to consider it because we've done

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Canadian Stampede. It's of course one of the best WWF

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pay per views of all time and so reflective of

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what was going to happen, absolutely and what the reflective

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of what was about to happen with Stone Cold taking

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off is the unquestionable top man in the business and

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the guy that would reverse the WWF's fortunes. But I

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invite you to consider. I invite you to consider Psycho

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sid being on Team USA at Canadian Stampede.

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Speaker 9: I don't know how I feel about that, right.

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Speaker 4: It kind of doesn't feel right like he feels because

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he's not someone I mean, not that Austin is either.

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But Austin's feud wasn't really about Canada versus the USA.

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He was just he was just picking on the hearts.

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But like l od theyre USA, you know, Chicago, you

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know the whole fucking thing, Shamrock.

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Speaker 3: And gold Dust.

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Speaker 4: Who was it was?

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Speaker 3: Who Ken Shamrock and gold Dust?

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Speaker 4: Ken Shamrock. Yeah, I guess I can kind of see

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that gold Dust. I can't really see although he's Hollywood,

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So I don't know, but he's definitely a stretch, But

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I think more of a stretch would be said, because

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he's a fucking loner, you know, that's his thing.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep, And whatever you try to place him in

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a group or a stable or in a bodyguard position,

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eventually he'll find a way to break out of that

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and it'll be someone's bright idea to give him a

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singles run toward the war title. And that's just name

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the organization he's ever been put into a tag team

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or a group scenario with. But I don't know. It's

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just it's such a significant landmark show in that team,

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as bizarre and motley crue as it was supporting Steve

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Austin at Canadian Stampede is so kind of burned in

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the memory and in the history that it's wild to

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think about SID being in there and how that might

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disrupt the dynamic, because the one thing you can say

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about Team USA at Canadian Stampede is Steve Austin was

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by far and away the brightest shining star in the.

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Speaker 4: Bid Fay side, no question.

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Speaker 3: But if SID was there, I wonder if that dilutes

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the intensity in the real sort of concentration of energy

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into what Steve Austin was doing.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I maybe, but I do feel like Stone.

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I feel like Austin at that point was such a

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fucking a spark plug that he would not have allowed

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Sid to overshadow him. Yeah, you know, like I think

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would have found holes in Sid and fucking exploited them.

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Speaker 3: And if there's one thing we've learned about Sid by

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this point in his wrestling career is he's not going

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to stick around very long if he doesn't get the

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impression that he's not authoring, sort of like the gait,

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I mean, the ticket sales aren't great, but they're nowhere

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near where they were ninety five and into ninety six,

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come nineteen ninety seven. But still the television ratings, as

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we've documented so many times, including that raw where he

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won the title, just so impossibly far away from Nitro

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that it just seems like it's a feutal effort. They

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might as well just stop trying on Monday nights, and

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for Sid, you know, when he looks around and he's

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being put in a scenario where he doesn't feel like

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he's a single guy that can draw the house and

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take credit for the house and call himself a draw,

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that means something to him. That's kind of sure to

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hear him talk about his career that ended up being

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why he was in the business. Of course, it's it's

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mostly about money, but for him, like if he's not

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able to lay claim to filling a house, then he's

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not going to be able to maximize the amount of

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money he can make. He's he said, before, you know,

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I've been I've been in this business in such a

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way where I'm making a lot of money but not

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drawing a lot of people, and it just doesn't satisfy me.

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Speaker 10: Mmm.

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't give me what I come to really

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want out of pro wrestlers, which is really interesting considering

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the movie he's about to make, which of course completely

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subverts that notion. But it's what I think what he

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basically means is when he's been in WWF, he's he's

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slotted as somebody that can that can be somebody who

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is associated with the main event such that you can say,

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you know, Sid made evented this show, so this business

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has something to do with him. In WCW. In the

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second run too, to a large degree, it was always

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Speaker 4: Was it Sid? Yep?

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Speaker 3: Sure Sid was in the main event, but the guy

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he wrestled had a million other people he was feuding with,

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and this match thread through, you know, Sting versus the Horsemen,

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whatever the case may be. When you go back to

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that Halloween havoc that he that he headlined for the

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first time. So it's it's not a surprise. I don't

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think that if what they have creatively for Sid is

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that he's going to join a Team USA with somebody

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else the helm that he's gonna it's gonna get a

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bad taste in his mouth about it. Now, what's great

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about a tribute show is we picked subjects where, like

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you said, there's this nagging curiosity like what the hell

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happened to said in nineteen ninety seven he went from

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mainaventing WrestleMania to m hmm, completely disappearing. And you know,

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unless you do kind of a close examination of what

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he said about his career and what was said contemporaneously,

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you don't really understand where he went and why he

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only popped his head up a couple more times in

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nineteen ninety seven. Right, but I think in our next

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chapter here in the Sid Tribute, it's time to do that, boss.

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Speaker 4: Oh please.

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Speaker 3: It's really wild how he does so little on WWF

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television for Russelemnia thirteen too the summer, but how much

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actually happens behind the scenes with him.

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Speaker 11: I love it, just you.

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Speaker 3: Know so many further variations on the theme of oh,

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Sid's getting another opportunistic injury, A cinek might say, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, you know here, this is what I picture too, Okay,

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of course I picture him. You know, he's back. You

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know he comes to TV every week whether or not.

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No he doesn't. He certainly doesn't. He's not to go

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to TV, but he does it on his own. He

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feels like, you know, he he he chooses to go.

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Speaker 3: I will be at the TV that you don't tell

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Speaker 4: Right, right, Sid, Look, Powet, we don't need you to

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be at TV. I'll be there on time, but I

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believe it. With bells on, yep. And I just picture him,

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you know, I picture him just kind of like coming

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in there with with his his roller bag, and he's

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wearing jeans like a tucked in a short sleeve you know,

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plaid shirt all right, and he's wearing a baseball hat yep.

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And he's kind of like walks in like he owns

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the fucking place, doesn't talk to anybody, just fucking walks in.

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But people are like, what the fuck is I supposed

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to be here? Right?

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Speaker 3: He's not supposed to be here, right, and sid walks

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in with the look of somebody that's oblivious to that,

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but deep down he's excited to have a fight about it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: It is someone who acts like he wants to avoid arguments,

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but he can't survive without getting into a little verbal

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going to let him take credit for houses and maximize income,

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particularly in the WWF you know pay system, where your

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position on the card really does impact your your take

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home before everyone had the guaranteed deals downsideals, he's looking

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at this landscape and he's like, no, Nope. You know,

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if I'm not, if I'm taking a step down from

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the main event, something's going to go wrong. I'm going

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to force an argument. I'm going to force myself to

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take exception with something I'm pitched creatively, and I'm gonna

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be gone. It goes back to the Crusher quitting every

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summer so we can take the take the summer off,

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having an argument with verne Gana and over the years you're, Okay,

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he's just gonna do this because he wants an excuse

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to not have to work the summer. I get it,

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and would see it. It was it was injuries and he

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always you know. The best thing is like he says,

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ask hardcore Hally about the nineteen ninety five neck injury,

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and then you read Rli's book and he's like, yeah,

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is lying. It's like I asked, I asked him Sid,

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and the answer isn't exactly.

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Speaker 4: What you're anticipating. How do you know he's not lying?

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Speaker 3: Sid thought he had alibis.

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Speaker 4: I do have alibis. I have many buys people by

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shows for me right because I'm Sid.

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Speaker 3: I have many buys. By the way, have we gotten

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the the returns in from WrestleMania yet, Yes, the least

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bought WrestleMania of all time. I would introduce you to

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the WrestleMania you headlined that couldn't even beat w c

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W one censored WrestleMania.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Sid was a big draw man. He knew how to draw.

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That's one thing you can say about him. No, that's

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one thing you can say about him. You can say

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a lot of things about the guy, and that's why

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you're paying tribute to him, But that's one thing you

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cannot say about him, that he was a draw.

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Speaker 4: That's so incredible.

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Speaker 3: Ye, And we'll get more into that as we go here.

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But again, there are so many things happening, because if

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you recall after WRESTLMINGI thirteen for the April show in

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your house show.

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Speaker 4: And that was what one was that that was holding

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and hell's me Revenge of the Taker.

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Speaker 3: Revenge of the Taker. And do you remember, of course

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that's a Brett Steve Austin rematch. Yes, we talked about

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that in the nineteen ninety seven journey available in the archives.

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Speaker 4: But yes, do you recall that.

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Speaker 3: At first it was to be Brett versus Sid at

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Revenge of the Taker. No, ladies, and gentlemen, I didn't

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know that. Consider a world where Brett comes off the

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win over Steve Austin and the famous post match angle

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at wrestlming He thirteen, Sid comes off the loss to Undertaker,

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and Sid and Brett interfewed. Not Austin and Brett.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, in a weird way, it

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would make a little bit of sense. Although you know,

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here's the thing. This is the thing about that while

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while I don't I can see that as being, yes,

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a thing, But what I would what I would think

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would happen, is that Brett would face Sid and Austin

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would cause Brett to lose in some fashion.

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Speaker 3: Oh, certainly Austin wouldn't exit the picture. But the idea

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of going right back to the match and what that

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meant for the trajectory of Brett and Austin in nineteen

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ninety seven would have been totally different.

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Speaker 4: If I mean, maybe, you know, I don't really think

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of that match as being a thing that really did

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much to their feud. Yeah, that you know the I mean, listen,

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I agree like the fact that they had a rubber match,

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although it wasn't really rubber match because Austin lost both

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but I think.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting is the reason you don't think of that

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as a big landmark part of the feud is because

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it wasn't in the plants.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 3: It was cobbled together because Sid fell off the card.

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They had even promoted it a couple of times on

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television that Brett and Sid was going to be a

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match on this show. But I just think when we

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when we construct the Steve Austin Breheart story from Survivors

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series ninety six all the way through ninety seven, Yeah,

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this is a this is a part that if you

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switched out this match, you'd wonder, like second third order effects,

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how that might differently affect the way these two developed.

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Because the fact of the matter is after Revenge of

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the Taker they had clashed again, Brett and Austin had

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gotten their hands on each other again after the blood

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bath at WrestleMania, and if that had been delayed two

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three four months, you wonder how differently it would have

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felt when Austin just kept pouring it on as opposed

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to getting back into the ring.

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Speaker 4: With the man.

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Speaker 3: But that's another example and a motif that's developing as

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we go through Sid's career of a guy who is

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sort of like in the background, and his little maneuvers

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are having a big impact not on his ability to

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draw money, but on the programs that do end up

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drawing money, and the wrestlers who do draw money end

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up in the positions they ended up in because of

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Sid's many decisions and pivots. So it's a rather rich

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year of nineteen ninety seven, though just sitting home watching

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wrestling television every week, you would not know it as

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it regards Sid and the moves he's about to make.

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As the Attitude Era is about to begin, and we're

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dawning on another holiday season around here, Boss, Am I

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wrong about?

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Speaker 4: The halls are decked, the the atmospheres where it should be.

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a beginning of the season. So it's, uh, you know,

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we we need something, We need something to kind of

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pick up our pick up our spirits. So we decorated

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way early this year, uh, for Christmas, and it's it's

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feeling wonderful the way it should be.

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Speaker 3: And we're coming off the conclusion of the Mighty tlf

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X games. Yes, we are as lapsed Vince as most

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of the smart money would have predicted on the front end,

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but you know, subjected to a fair, open and empirical vote.

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Speaker 4: I do wonder. I do wonder this. I do wonder

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if Hogan, if Hogan had been on the other the

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other side, Yep, I think that would have been a

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very very that would have been a closer, because I'm

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pretty sure if if you did have Hogan and Vince

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on opposite sides, it would have been kind of easy

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money that that's going to be the main event.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be the main event. But

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let's not forget the people had their chance to vote

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on Vince versus Hogan and it wasn't even close.

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Speaker 4: No, I know, but I think when it comes to

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but it's not the finals though, yeah, you know, like

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if it was the finals.

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Speaker 3: I think Vince crushes him by the same margin if

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no kidding.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, I don't know, I'm not sure. I think the

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finals mean a different thing. I mean, I think, you know,

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I don't know. I think it would have been I

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think it would have been a different ballgame.

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Speaker 3: Very interesting, And you know, weigh in with your thoughts.

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The lapsed fan at gmail dot com. Let's just say,

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Santa's mail sack is swelling quite a bit as we

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head into the holiday season, so if.

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Speaker 4: He does have he has two mail sacks.

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Speaker 3: Actually, Santa's gonna have to sit down and get through

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a lot of letters from young boys and girls, I

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think before he takes off on Christmas Eve. So oh,

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let us know all about your thoughts on the King

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of the Caste. It started with thirty two participants and

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we want to send our great appreciation to Russ and

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so many members of the Solar System who will make

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this such a fun way to celebrate ten years of lapstom.

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It of course came down to lapsed Vince and lapse Nash.

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And on the day where we elected our next president,

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Vince McMahon is elected King of the cast Now you

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tell me that there's not something larger going on there.

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Just from a timing standpoint, we certainly did not plan this,

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and all of a sudden, right before us lay an allegory,

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if you will.

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Speaker 4: It was yeah, yeah, it actually you know it when

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it kind of came, when it kind of came to be,

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I felt kind of like, um, wait a minute here,

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like this feels actually maybe a little wrong.

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Speaker 3: Is Vince about to take the victory podium at a

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time when someone else is about to take the victory podium.

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That's going to replace the US attorney that's running the

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DOJ investigation into Vince McMahon, and we'll probably kill it

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where it stands.

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Speaker 4: I believe that I have. I believe that I've elected

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myself president, and that's how I roll. It's gonna be

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the United States of Vince McMahon, the US.

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Speaker 12: V M.

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Speaker 3: Linda for Commerce Secretary.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, definitely something of that nature.

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Speaker 3: Because you guys know about commerce, after all.

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Speaker 4: Well we we you know, we are commercial enterprise, so

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we know commerce. We know you know, we believe in uh,

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consumers better and and consumer motivation as well as any

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number of of you know, different you know, dynamic metrics

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of them, of corporate and business and monetary nature.

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Speaker 3: This American work period, period period. I don't think much

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more needs to be said. Lapsed. Vince crowned King of

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the cast on election day twenty twenty four, and again

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great thanks to everyone who helped make it possible, everyone

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who voted and participated, and I think it all ended

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up where we thought it would. It's one of those

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things where you tell yourself that the reality might not

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be what it appears to be, and then of course

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it was. Of course it was all along. Did you

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think Jesse had a chance, did you think anyone did

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you expect lapse on Ash to be there?

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Speaker 4: I listen, it went down to It went down pretty

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much how I envisioned it would when I kind of

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played it out in my in my brain when the

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brackets were first released, I said, it's I thought there

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were possibilities that you know that that Hogan or Vince,

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you know that that to me, what could have been

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a toss up? Same thing with Jesse Nash. But I

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figured it was either going to be Did you call

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Jesse early? I did call Jesse early on, but I

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did think to myself, like, it's going to be one

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of those two either way. I don't know who will

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come out on top if it's Nash and Jesse, but

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I knew it would be one of those two guys.

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At the end, I did think about it might have

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been Jesse, but there's always you know, Nash is always

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kind of lurking in the back.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing stuff. It was great that someone that was

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inserted late in the process after the first draft of

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the Brackening was done and lapsed. Heel and Heart made

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it all the way to the final four with the

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solar systems Yep, yep, speaking up for what needs to

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be spoken for. And another character that you thought, you know,

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because they are your favorites, they're somebody else's favorites. You

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realize that that's not how the country runs. Yeah, that's right,

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people like Vince always end up winning. That's really not

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more complicated than that.

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Speaker 4: Because here's the thing. I'm untouchable, and why are you untouchable?

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Because I am a master of things. Okay, I'm a

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creator of things. I help the economic machine.

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Speaker 3: Any chance, Vince, after all these all these blemishes on

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your name, all these actions against your person and your

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reputation fall by the wayside, what at a time, and

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things get settled and wallpapered over and dropped cold, any

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chance you walk back out there onto that stage and

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let everybody know what you think of them once and

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for all. Does TKO need to prepare? Does Mark Shapiro

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and others not Mark Shapiro triple h I'm talking about now,

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I'm talking about the h the TKO boardroom.

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Speaker 4: You know, Look, I am a white billionaire.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Mark Schapiro said he just had lunch with you,

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that it wasn't anything more than that. I thought it

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was strange that after what happened, I let me tell

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you this, all right, the ballot box that he came

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out and said that. But yeah, I just want to

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about what you thought about it.

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Speaker 4: You've got TKO, all right, you got t KO sooner

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than later that company is going to be called VKM. Yeah,

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that because that's who runs the ship.

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Speaker 3: Have we only just begat? Who have we only just begun?

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Speaker 4: Makes the decisions?

474
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Speaker 3: What's going to happen to triple H?

475
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Speaker 4: Triple H? I mean, you know, there are there are

476
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times when you see your children who are progressing in

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a way that you're like, yes, you know this is

478
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a pot you know this is good, this is good.

479
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And then you know, sometimes they start to make wrong decisions.

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Then that means they have to die.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying, you're Jared Kushner isn't going to be

482
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part of your your administration.

483
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Speaker 4: I will say, And when Daddy is back at the

484
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head of the table, huh, the real head of the table,

485
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there's going to be a rearranging of the chairs.

486
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Speaker 3: And Stephanie and Ivanka and Jared and Paul are going

487
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to find themselves having an awful lot in common something I'm.

488
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Speaker 4: Going to find myself's new children, new children who understand

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that my decision is always the best one. My decision

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is the way things need to be. My decision is

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for America.

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As we start thinking about what to put under the tree,

553
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I think we're already worried, boss about where to put

554
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the stuff we've already gotten.

555
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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I don't even know where to begin.

556
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:19,559
Speaker 3: We are joining you here on this lapse tribute show

557
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to sid this regular main feed show, if you will,

558
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,759
for the first time since gathering around the aforementioned sorrow hearth, Yes,

559
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:33,000
for the twenty twenty four TLF Christmas Show taping. We

560
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:37,000
know what you have done. We've taken stock, we know

561
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,119
what it has done to us. We've taken inventory, we've

562
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,400
seen it all, we've recorded it all. Of course, it's

563
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,759
going to be a doozy of course, yes, you know

564
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:51,160
what podcast as you locked down with the appropriate holiday

565
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,279
spirit this year, and we can't wait too unload it

566
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,680
on the Solar System and much the fashion that we

567
00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,920
did last year. But suffice to say, we sat there

568
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,480
as if someone had shot us in the head in

569
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:08,799
our comfy sofa chairs, with all of the generosity of

570
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:11,359
the Solar System and the creativity of the Solar system

571
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,319
and the tenderness and thoughtfulness of the of the Solar

572
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:16,640
system resting at our very feet next to the fire

573
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,039
and Boss. I don't know if people deserve what we're

574
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:22,000
about to unload on them.

575
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 4: I mean, it's something, you know. The people who gave gifts,

576
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,759
they know what they gave and they know, you know.

577
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:34,599
But when you put it all together, when you put

578
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,480
everything together, when you put the setting, when you put

579
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:48,359
in the uh, you know, the unscripted nature of things. Yes,

580
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:54,599
you know that is our show. There is a it's

581
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,519
it's a really it's a crazy motherfucking thing. It is

582
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,960
a crazy motherfucking thing. And you guys are going to

583
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:07,960
be I imagine you're going to be pleased, surprised, and maybe,

584
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,160
I don't know, maybe mortified too.

585
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:13,599
Speaker 3: We did what had to be done. You in the

586
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:16,000
Solar system who sent gifts, did what had to be done,

587
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:20,519
and it's a smashing, smashing success. That's all I can say.

588
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,319
That's all I can promise here as we celebrate ten

589
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,039
years of Lapsed with our upcoming our third unwrapping Yes

590
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coming in December to the main feeds.

591
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Speaker 1: The Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast the wrestling podcast that knows

592
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the boys need their candy. It's the Lampsed Fan. He's

593
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a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and and JP Soro.

594
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Speaker 3: Having just done that, having just gathered together as we

595
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,279
love to do around this time of year, it being

596
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,680
fresh in our minds, it's just impossible not to to

597
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,640
give some voice too. How that all left us feeling.

598
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,839
And let me tell you, folks, and you'll hear it

599
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,400
during the show. We've got to figure out a plan here.

600
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,440
We've got to figure out a plan because I don't

601
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,720
know if you think we live in four hundred thousand

602
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,559
square foot mansions or what, but I know there aren't

603
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,839
enough storage lockers in the county to account for the

604
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,240
excess that's rained down upon us. Not a clue what

605
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:53,160
to do with most of it. So appreciative that people

606
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,680
took the time, but my goodness, I don't know. It

607
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,559
might be we might have to start talking about regifting

608
00:31:57,559 --> 00:31:57,960
around here.

609
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,839
Speaker 4: Boss, I will sell it. I think that might be,

610
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000
uh might be something that needs to be done. It's

611
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:09,359
it's such a I mean, I wish I wish people

612
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,440
could have seen the atomic bomb that went off in

613
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:18,359
my my you know, family room.

614
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,759
Speaker 3: Well, they'll they'll get a taste on our socials because

615
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,440
we were we were active with the photography or in

616
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,480
the course of this thing. But it's there's no substitute

617
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,000
for standing in that room and just seeing the paper

618
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,720
and the refuse and the and seeing the pain, seeing

619
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,480
the pain. You know, you said to yourself, all right,

620
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:37,759
there's this many boxes that have come to the post office.

621
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:39,599
This is great, there's this many gifts. No, you open

622
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,960
the box, there's sixteen things in there.

623
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 4: I know. That's that's that's the thing. You know, you

624
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:48,920
kind of forget. It's not just one thing in a box.

625
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:52,240
It's a lot of things in a box.

626
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: It's postmodernism in a box. You're damn fucking right now.

627
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,839
It's gonna be a TLFX. Miss you already know what

628
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,240
it is, and you know where to be, and you

629
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:05,319
know to pour a tall glass of eggnog.

630
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,559
Speaker 4: Before you do it.

631
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yes, coming your way tlf twenty twenty four

632
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:17,200
Christmas Show and also coming your way, the conclusion of

633
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,799
the epic TLFX defining Carnies are Forever Journey under the sinning.

634
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:29,279
Speaker 4: Yes, got two more left, two more left? All right?

635
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:34,720
We have we have of course, invaded the Daniel Craig

636
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,680
era of the Bond, the most recent era of Bond.

637
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,079
I mean, I want you to know something, you know

638
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,920
we're going. I can't. I'm not sure. I don't know

639
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:52,359
if we've ever gone this close to Like I'm trying

640
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:54,160
to think of a movie that we saw we would

641
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,799
have done cinemat that was very very close, only within

642
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:02,119
a couple of years of lease from when we did it.

643
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:05,519
You know, I think this might be the closest.

644
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is getting very close. I mean because Terrifier too, Yeah,

645
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,320
Terrified too, was it?

646
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,599
Speaker 4: For sure? Terrify two? For sure. That's a good point.

647
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,880
I didn't even think about that. That's just because reason

648
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,360
I'm trying to take that on my mind, because that

649
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,199
was last year. Yeah, right, so but uh yeah, like

650
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,960
it's kind of I guess maybe what's so interesting to

651
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,880
me is the fact that you know, we've gone from

652
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,000
way in the past, We've gone from the sixties all

653
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:33,880
the way to now and uh yeah, we've got two

654
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,400
more left and uh you know we close out this

655
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:45,320
uh this wild and unpredictable. And I mean, if if

656
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,440
if you like, if you like movies, if you're a

657
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,639
James Bond fan and you're not signed up for cinemat

658
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:55,360
I'm telling you what what happened was. First of all,

659
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,440
there are so many wrestlers that have been redisc covered

660
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:07,360
I'll say that rediscovered within this journey. And also, it's

661
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,400
not just the story of Bond, it's the story of individuals. Yes,

662
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,159
it's the story. I mean, there are so many players

663
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,440
in and there have been so many threads that have

664
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:24,199
been told over the course of this series that even

665
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,280
I wasn't expecting. I had no idea, like the certain areas,

666
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,960
I had no idea we were going to be telling

667
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,280
basically talk about the downfall of MGM Studios. I had

668
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,039
no idea that we're going to be doing that, right.

669
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,239
I had no idea that, you know, there would be

670
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,320
this guy Kevin mclory who would end up being a

671
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,039
thorn in everybody's side, and you know, and watching the

672
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:53,599
rise and fall, and I never I'll tell you what

673
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:59,480
I never. I never thought that I would find Roger

674
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,880
Moore to the most fascinating individual of all time.

675
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: It's it's so full of revelations. As someone who's not

676
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,199
a cinophile, sitting in the spectator seat, sitting in the

677
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,519
passenger seat as boss Man drives the flip side of

678
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:12,440
what your custom to here in the main show. I

679
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,800
am just so amazed at how interested I find myself

680
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:20,239
in the minutia of these films and franchises. And it's

681
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,679
not just the wrestler, as I suspected when we started

682
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,159
under the Cinemat all those years ago, that draws me in,

683
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,480
but it's equal parts. Just the way the dramas of

684
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:32,360
Hollywood echo the dramas of wrestling exactly back a certain

685
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,480
amount of time, there's no difference. You know, you talk

686
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,760
about Cauliflower Alley Club and you talk about the heritage

687
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,280
of wrestlers kind of sharing the same fraternity towards the

688
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,679
turn of the century with actors.

689
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 4: Yep, it becomes.

690
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: Really fascinating to think about how closely intertwined they were.

691
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:53,039
It's it's it's two p's of the same pod, yeah,

692
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:55,360
for sure. And that pot is under the Cinemat, good

693
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696
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or you're helping to author what we've been doing for

697
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ten years. Take the pride of ownership. That's where we're headed, folks.

698
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,599
If you don't own something, no one takes you seriously.

699
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,840
So have some ownership stakes in this cast by putting

700
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:19,880
fuel into the engine instead of just standing on the

701
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,159
side of the road with your arms folded expecting everything

702
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:24,440
to operate perfectly without you having to lift a finger.

703
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:26,199
Speaker 4: Not up, not up.

704
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: And it's not like we don't give you something in return.

705
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:31,559
We give you the smash hit under the cinemat. So

706
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,480
many critically acclaimed things coming in on this Bond series

707
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:38,320
and all just kicked it into a new gear this year. Frankly,

708
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,960
I mean, scary movie season was phenomenal. Christmas movie season

709
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:44,159
is coming up. There really isn't a better time of years.

710
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: It's we get some some great stuff for Christmas movie season.

711
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,719
Well maybe not great stuff, but it's gonna be fun.

712
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,199
Speaker 3: Great, great in the way that we've accustomed you to

713
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:55,760
think of great.

714
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:57,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.

715
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: And and there aren't tallmount we shy away from climbing either,

716
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,159
but the small mountains can be equal parts. Is fun

717
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,960
just as your accustomed to on the main feed. You

718
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,960
know how it goes the shows that you care least

719
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,719
about are some of the most revered TLF episodes.

720
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: I mean every every every show has a story that's right,

721
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:19,199
no matter how big, no matter how small.

722
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,079
Speaker 3: We don't give a fuck. We don't give a fuck.

723
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,039
Bring any set of facts to us and we'll put

724
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:26,480
it through the process and you'll be glad we did.

725
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,719
And that is doubly the case. Over at patreon dot com,

726
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,280
Slash the Lapsed Fan were not only do you get

727
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,840
under the cinemat but if you have the courage and

728
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,079
the resources to join that tip top mote tier, the

729
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,039
premiere select Group, our ride or dies, as I like

730
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:42,840
to say, the folks that are like, not only is

731
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,199
what you guys do good and worthy of money, but

732
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,559
you know I want to be I want to be

733
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,400
in the infantry with you guys. You know I want

734
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,079
to I want to be next to you holding a

735
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:58,679
rifle as you do what it takes to survive in this.

736
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 4: Podcast, want to be on the front line, in the

737
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:00,880
front lines.

738
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: When you think about it, you think about how much

739
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,960
of a cliche it became in recent years. Everybody is

740
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,360
a podcast. Everybody is a podcast. It doesn't mean anything

741
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,280
to have a podcast. Well, over here, it does.

742
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 4: Yes, it does.

743
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 3: Over here, it does.

744
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:17,679
Speaker 4: Want to tell you what this is the difference though, Okay, yeah,

745
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,840
you know what, Everyone can have a fucking podcast. You're

746
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,599
absolutely right, every're gonna have a fucking podcast. But I'll

747
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:26,199
tell you what. It doesn't matter that you have a podcast.

748
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,239
It matters what you do with the podcast and go

749
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,320
all right, And there are a lot of fucking ham

750
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,000
and eggers out there who just have one. And you

751
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,920
know they Number one, two, things will happen, Okay, either

752
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,159
they're either they're gonna they're gonna stop because they they

753
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:48,119
they nothing happens fast enough, which is always bullshit to

754
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:52,519
begin with. All right, nothing ever happens fast. Okay. Number two,

755
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:56,760
they you know, they become guest reliant and they can't

756
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,639
find guests, and then you're gonna fail, all right, and

757
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:03,599
you're gonna quit because you don't put the work in

758
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,480
the actual work, and the actual work is hard shit. Yes,

759
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,119
it's time consuming. Yes, it's stressful.

760
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,599
Speaker 3: Because you did a podcast because you think it would

761
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,239
be cool to have a podcast, not because you must

762
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:20,000
have a podcast. We must have a podcast. Yes, we've

763
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,920
been told this for too many years, even before we

764
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,920
started the show, and it might not have been a

765
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,719
podcast per se that they were calling for, but folks knew,

766
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,519
Folks who observed the dynamic knew that there was a

767
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,079
community for this stuff. And the proof points just keep

768
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:39,639
flowing in year after year, incremental by incremental. The returns

769
00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:42,400
are in, and the returns are looking decidedly positive. And

770
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,719
so patreon dot com slash the lapsed fan is where

771
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,760
to go to prove that you're worth the shit in

772
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,920
a world where unless you're coming out of pocket, you

773
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:51,840
you barely exist.

774
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:52,599
Speaker 4: Yep.

775
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,639
Speaker 3: And we don't write the rules, but we certainly play

776
00:40:56,679 --> 00:41:00,960
by them. And the mote tier, as mentioned, not only

777
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,840
do you get that extra panache from your co chair

778
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,559
is not only are your nearest and dearest to our

779
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:07,639
heart when we're thinking about special events and things that

780
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,960
we want to make exclusive to you folks out there

781
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,320
in the Solar system, exclusive access to your co chairman.

782
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,880
Like our phone calls between each other when a wrestler

783
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,920
passes away, that's mode only. Also mode only, it's getting

784
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,000
on the living room carpet with Mama sorrow ah yes,

785
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:25,880
and watching the matches of your and just hearing a voice.

786
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:29,119
It's really like it's as if you had an Alexa

787
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:33,280
in your house that's downloaded. Yep, what every mom and

788
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,519
dad has ever said, every kind of subtly disapproving mom

789
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:38,360
and dad has said to their sons and daughters that

790
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,800
are wrestling fans, and just watch it, watch it sing

791
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,639
like a symphony and going directions you never could have anticipated.

792
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: It's it's a reminder as to in a way, you know,

793
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,360
it's a reminder of really the shame and pain it

794
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,000
is being a wrestling fan. Okay, that's what it is.

795
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:02,480
It reminds you that that that uh, you know, what

796
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:09,119
you're watching is uh, you know, it's it's harmful to yourself.

797
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,559
Speaker 3: And it's certainly not something that even if you watch

798
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:17,440
it your whole life, that your parents are ever going

799
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,559
to really understand. And by you know, insert parents, everybody,

800
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,800
polite society, yes, anyone you'll ever run into for the

801
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,239
rest of your life, you know, has no one.

802
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:30,559
Speaker 4: Let me let me tell you this, no one's going

803
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:32,599
to think more of you for being a wrestling fan.

804
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:35,599
Speaker 3: Not everybody will think less of you. But you're exactly right,

805
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:36,800
no one will think more of you.

806
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,519
Speaker 4: I I challenge anybody to just you know, you meet

807
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:45,599
somebody new for the first time and tell them you're

808
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,960
a wrestling fan and watch how far they distance themselves.

809
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 3: Oh really, there, it is so like you're talking about

810
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,280
like w w oh okay, okay, okay, okay, that's why

811
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,440
we're here. Where the corner you retreat to when it's

812
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,599
like God, yeah, in trouble, I'm trying to I'm out

813
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:03,599
there in the real world and they're looking at me. Well, look,

814
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:05,360
there is something wrong with you. But this is how

815
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,880
you deal with it. TLF is how you deal with it.

816
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:10,079
And we'll send you back out of that corner and

817
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:12,719
fighting shape with vasoline on your cuts and your mouthpiece

818
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,960
firmly affixed and hopefully the blood flowing as it should

819
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:19,719
in those cramped up legs. So Wrestle Mamia is a

820
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,920
great way to get in touch with the kind of

821
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,079
thing we're talking about. As the Boss Man watches all

822
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:25,280
manner of matches from the archives with Mama Sorrow in

823
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,559
the room, commenting things that are on the minds of

824
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,039
people who haven't been wrestling, brain addled with the course

825
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:34,880
of their lives. And we say this because we're part

826
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,119
of it, We're inextricably part of it. We say it

827
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:40,440
not to cast judgment we say it to just have

828
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,199
our eyes wide open about the company we keep as

829
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,159
these long time obsessive wrestling fans, so then we know.

830
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 4: You're out there too.

831
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: The Christmas Show proves it, Patreon proves it. It's a

832
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,840
wonderful thing. So join us for Wrestle Mamia and the

833
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,719
Moteer if you find yourself so inclined and find yourself

834
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,280
in receipt of the resources to do so as we

835
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:01,880
close out twenty twenty four in the year and with

836
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,320
the holidays upon us. Of course, if you've got a

837
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,719
lapsed fan in your life, there really is no excuse

838
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,519
as far as schwag availability.

839
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: Oh fuck yeah.

840
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:12,039
Speaker 3: I walked down in your basement when we were recording

841
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:14,159
the Christmas Show, or after we recorded the Christmas Show,

842
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:16,239
and I laid eyes on it for the first time.

843
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 4: What did you see?

844
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:23,599
Speaker 3: I laid eyes on the TLF Letterman jacket. Yes, you did,

845
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,800
and the fashion of the black and red raw is

846
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,440
war jacket that Vince and Jr. Started wearing wearing right

847
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,000
around the time we're arriving at in our sid tribute,

848
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:33,800
by the way, and I.

849
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 4: Looked at that thing, good point.

850
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,199
Speaker 3: I observed the craftmanship. I observed how the letters were

851
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:46,199
raised off of the fabric. I observed the the leather

852
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,599
texture of the red sleeves, and I just I was

853
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,360
just flabbergasted by the quality.

854
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:56,079
Speaker 4: It's a beauty. It's a real beauty. You know, we

855
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:58,320
geta I gotta find a place to take it out

856
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,320
for for a test drive. But yeah, it is a beauty. Yeah.

857
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 3: If there's some if you're looking for something premium for

858
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,159
the TLF fan in your life, and if they're you know,

859
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:09,119
if they have kind of like the aesthetic that fits

860
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:10,880
with that, look, man, this is the ticket. This is

861
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,119
what Dicky has come up with over at Chopped Teas.

862
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,360
Our Chopped Tea store is just off the chain. But

863
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,320
Letterman jacket, isn't just it that that's available on kind

864
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,239
of a limited run basis for premium price. I would

865
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,639
suggest to you at some point it won't be a

866
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:28,400
purchase option because these aren't these these aren't cheap to

867
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,079
put together. This is high quality craftsmanship that Dicky is

868
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,239
facilitating here. But there's a lot of other stuff, non

869
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,840
T shirt stuff like hoodies and caps and jackets, and

870
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:39,559
then you.

871
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:41,519
Speaker 4: Know, and he's also been able to take some of

872
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:45,840
the items that yes, that haven't been able to to

873
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,559
cross the line over at over at pro wrestling teas.

874
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,559
So you know, some of the stuff that you know,

875
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:58,119
like the the the new warlorder shirt that I made

876
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,440
ten years ago, the design that I made ten years

877
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,920
ago that just you know, because of because of you know,

878
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,639
any kind of copyright issues, no one knowing you know,

879
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,800
they were progressing t's wasn't able to do. But it's

880
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:18,320
available now over it chopped, so you know, stop ticking around.

881
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no excuse. And progressing t's is very much

882
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,280
worth mentioning because that's of course our full gallery of

883
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,239
every T shirt in particular that we've ever come up with,

884
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:30,480
and progressingts dot com Slash the Lapse fan is a

885
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:32,880
place to go for you know, let's face it, the

886
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,480
key piece of wardrobe for any self respecting wrestling fans

887
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:36,280
the black T shirt.

888
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 4: Oh fuck yeah. I mean listen, we cater to the

889
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,159
black T shirt.

890
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: That's how you know, Like, if you're driving around trying

891
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,360
to find a wrestling venue, that's how you know you're

892
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,880
on the right block because you see two blocks worth

893
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:52,119
of people wearing double x or single XL black T

894
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:52,960
shirts lined up.

895
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, triple XL quadruple XL as well,

896
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:59,400
and with what around their shoulder, usually a championship belt

897
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,119
because they on something somewhere is there the champ right,

898
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,199
it's not because they it's not because they They're they're

899
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,760
carrying a phony belt that means absolutely nothing on their shoulder.

900
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: And then with that visual, I I you know, I

901
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,639
developed some internal comfort that I found my destination. But

902
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:14,840
at the same time, as I locked my car door,

903
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,239
I look down at my shoes and I do a

904
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,280
quick exhale, and I shake my head and I walk

905
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,679
towards my people once again.

906
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:22,519
Speaker 4: Yep.

907
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,079
Speaker 3: And we look forward to seeing everybody when we're out

908
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:27,000
and about in the wrestling world. But there's no better

909
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,039
way to fly the flag and please send us on

910
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:30,760
social and stuff. We love when people go to wrestling

911
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,159
shows wearing stuff from Pro Wrestling t's. It's always such

912
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:35,320
a treat to see people fly the flag. I'll never

913
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,239
forget the homie Scott Suddy in the front row of

914
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,119
an aw show. Oh I love it, grabbing his laps

915
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:43,639
fan logo T and just like what I need, forcing

916
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,480
it into the foreground. Oh God, what pride that's sent

917
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,679
through through our veins. So Pro Wresting ts dot Com.

918
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:53,039
And I want to give a special shout out to Andrew.

919
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,519
Andrew is somebody who recently took us up on our

920
00:47:56,559 --> 00:48:01,719
Sids Vanna's line. In tribute to Sid and his proclivity

921
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:04,800
and his mission really to send as many cases of

922
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,639
Vienna sausages to his church in Memphis as he possibly could,

923
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,440
we've developed a line of Sid's softball Vienna T shirts. Yes,

924
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,519
he was passionate about the Viennas and so are we.

925
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,920
And I want to thank Andrew for putting down real

926
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:24,719
American currency to purchase the cenn Sid's Vienna's T shirt

927
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,320
Overpro Wrestling dot Com. Salute to you, sir, and I

928
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,280
hope you wear it with pride and wear it with

929
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:34,159
joy this holiday season. Well that's that's important business. But

930
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:36,679
it's yes, it is, it's business. Nonetheless, let's get into

931
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:39,360
a little bit of fun, shall we. Let's get back

932
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,559
into where Sid stands in nineteen ninety seven. So he's

933
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,559
dropped the championship to the Undertaker at WrestleMania, right yep.

934
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,760
And you wonder, you know, because for Sid, it's always

935
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,760
like they gave me the belt because they believed in

936
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,000
me and I was going to go on a run.

937
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:01,039
And of course it's never that. It's always said, you'll

938
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:02,679
be a good placeholder until we get to the people

939
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,320
we really want to build around, which will never be

940
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,519
you at large part because you have certain limitations as

941
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,599
a performer, and we never know when you're going to

942
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,039
just completely up and disappear on us or you know,

943
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:16,679
oversleep the Royal Rumble ninety seven press conference where we're

944
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:18,119
trying to fill the fucking Alamodome.

945
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,559
Speaker 4: I'm trying to get my stuff done.

946
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: And so were we, and that's why I have.

947
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 4: You don't understand I have responsibilities. Yeah, I do understand.

948
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: That's why I'm kind of.

949
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 13: I have responsibilities outside of yours. I need to accomplish things.

950
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,800
I have accomplishments that rely on my attention.

951
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're not quite accomplishments before you accomplish them.

952
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:47,960
But I do understand what you're trying to say.

953
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 4: That's what they think you do.

954
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,119
Speaker 3: That's why the sentimentation is so good, because he would

955
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,760
plub the syntax that way, you would have to be like, well,

956
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:01,840
I kind of get what he's saying. But do you

957
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,280
think sid went into WrestleMania expecting to lose the championship.

958
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 4: I'm sure he did. I'm sure he went in there

959
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,440
thinking that there's no way he's losing the championship.

960
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 3: Here he is in one of his many shoot interviews,

961
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,360
this one with our video, talking about his mentality going

962
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,360
into Chicago that night and the end of the title

963
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,760
reign that began on the show we last covered for

964
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,639
you on the sid tribute was you know, I was.

965
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:26,679
Speaker 12: Told again, once I get to go back, as long

966
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:28,199
as I was doing good business, that we were going

967
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,719
to keep it on. I got to WrestleMania, it was

968
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,519
dropped to me, I was gonna drop it, So I said, okay,

969
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:34,280
finally me.

970
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:53,679
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, and.

971
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,639
Speaker 3: That's the only God knows what the story is behind

972
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:48,519
that pregnant pause.

973
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean that was definitely like what what, how

974
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:52,719
am I going to share this story?

975
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

976
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 4: Maybe because you found out that you you know, what

977
00:50:58,079 --> 00:50:59,639
do he say? Like, they're gonna keep me champion as

978
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:00,920
long as him drawing money.

979
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 12: I was told again, once I get the belt back,

980
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,280
as long as I was doing good business, it was

981
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,679
dropped to me, I was going to drop it.

982
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 4: Well, I don't understand you're telling me I'm dropping the.

983
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 3: Belt tonight, yes, said it's kind of an obviousness.

984
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 4: Said yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's just the

985
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,840
way we got to do things. I don't understand. You're

986
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,480
telling me right now that I have to drop the belt.

987
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,800
You said that I did not have to drop the belt. Well,

988
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,199
what I said was you didn't have to drop the belt.

989
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:39,119
We wouldn't take the belt off you unless it was

990
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,239
you know, as long as you were doing good business.

991
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,920
That's exactly what I'm saying. So why are you taking

992
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:45,679
the belt off me?

993
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: If we told you ahead of time that we're to

994
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,559
take the belt off of you, you wouldn't have showed up.

995
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:51,159
That's why.

996
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 4: I mean. There's that, and I mean said, I mean

997
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,000
to be frank about it, and you're not doing good business.

998
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,440
Business is down with you on top.

999
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: I mean, this is on track, on track for the

1000
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,800
lowest bought WrestleMania of all time.

1001
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 4: Just sorry, What the hell are you saying? Are you

1002
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,800
saying that I'm a draw? Are you saying that I

1003
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,079
didn't pack the house with those fans out there?

1004
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

1005
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:22,679
Speaker 8: Shut up.

1006
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 4: I want you to look me in the eye. I

1007
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,719
want you to look me in the face. Mcmn.

1008
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 15: I want you to look in the eyes of Sid

1009
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,519
and I want you to tell me that I am

1010
00:52:40,639 --> 00:52:42,599
doing bad business.

1011
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,559
Speaker 4: Said, you're doing bad business.

1012
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 8: You understand what it means to be the master at

1013
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,840
the road of the world.

1014
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 3: That really good And sham Michael's shamacho.

1015
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:09,639
Speaker 8: He goes away with his damn leg is damn me

1016
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:12,400
and his smiles gone around the back.

1017
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 4: Of his head.

1018
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about Sid smile.

1019
00:53:18,639 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 4: You haven't worry about Sid smile.

1020
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:27,039
Speaker 8: My smile stays right. Words should be on my mouth now,

1021
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:28,079
not getting from.

1022
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,079
Speaker 4: Here here, not in the back of my head like

1023
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:31,440
sham Michael's.

1024
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 8: My smile and on the back of my head like

1025
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:38,199
sham michaels.

1026
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:41,559
Speaker 2: Let's fucking go.

1027
00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 4: I don't know why you're telling me. Fix it, man,

1028
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:49,960
You tell me right now. You're telling me right now

1029
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:51,960
that I don't have what it takes a draw.

1030
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:58,559
Speaker 3: Someone get him a piece of paper and some crayons,

1031
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:00,400
please and improved.

1032
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 4: If you want to prove that you can draw, I'll

1033
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,880
tell you what they You know, there is a there's

1034
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,440
a daycare center in the building, and they've got crayons

1035
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,360
and markers and construction paper, and you can show me

1036
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,199
if you can draw. But if you're going to do that,

1037
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,239
which I definitely think you should, the one thing is

1038
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,360
they don't allow championship belts in the daycare the beauty family.

1039
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,559
Speaker 3: You know, you go to the house and they got

1040
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:28,639
drawings on the fridge and no, that's so cute. You

1041
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:30,239
realize most of them are done by Sid.

1042
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:34,119
Speaker 4: I Frank to that.

1043
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:40,519
Speaker 3: No, Dad, you think Frank would get off his ass

1044
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:41,960
for a second to color a picture of you?

1045
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:42,599
Speaker 4: Out of your mind?

1046
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:44,639
Speaker 3: I got a garage full of Vienna's because of that

1047
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:48,199
fucking guy. I feel like we ended up with a

1048
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,880
garage full of Viennas by the time the fuck could run, rapping.

1049
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 4: Was over too. Oh, I know seriously, so like I'm.

1050
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,159
Speaker 3: Looking down and at inventory that that failed to be

1051
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,159
distributed as originally arranged.

1052
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 4: Uh uh said.

1053
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 3: We're going to keep the belt on you. No, we're not, said,

1054
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,639
why would we do such a thing? That's the story

1055
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,440
with him. It's like I never got the run. We've

1056
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,639
heard it, you know, I never got the chance to

1057
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:14,039
prove that if you keep the belt on me for

1058
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:15,920
a period of time, I can be among those top

1059
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,000
drawing champions that you had. And yeah, yeah, they sure

1060
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:21,400
didn't go with you, because every two months it's like,

1061
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,159
oh this wasn't what I thought it's gonna be. Uh

1062
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,280
my bicep hurts, Like come on, man, what do you expect?

1063
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,000
But yeah, that pregnant pause was so much. You know,

1064
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:33,119
there's so much more shit he pulled at Mania so

1065
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:33,800
much more.

1066
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:38,519
Speaker 4: Maybe went into Undertaker's locker room and try to convince

1067
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,159
him to like say, no, you're not gonna take the belt.

1068
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 3: Well, you probably came up with some kakammy thing where

1069
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,920
like you don't do this, I'm not going out there

1070
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:46,320
or something.

1071
00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1072
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 3: That's just what I heard in that clip. I thought

1073
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:49,599
that was fascinating.

1074
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 4: Mark. I want you, Mark, I want you going there.

1075
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,440
You tell them you're not taking the belt. You you

1076
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,519
look me right in the eye. Run now. I want

1077
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:03,800
you go out there. I want to tell Vinswick man,

1078
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:05,639
I'm not taking Sid's belt.

1079
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: What hits you in the head like a shot?

1080
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:10,159
Speaker 4: Or I'm gonna kick you in your kneecap?

1081
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: Wow, whoa, that's a threat. Jeez, how's he ever gonna

1082
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,599
come back from that? It is funny to threaten somebody

1083
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,480
with a very kind of rudimentary blow like a single

1084
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:24,239
blow like that, not to the face, just to some

1085
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,679
other appendace kneecap. Well, hey, if you kick Mark Kellaway

1086
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:28,880
in the knees, you could uh incapacitate him.

1087
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,119
Speaker 4: Before could he couldn't he could implode, could.

1088
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 3: Just vaporize where he stands. But yeah, it really tasty

1089
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,199
to think about what was on Sid's mind because you

1090
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,960
watch the shoot interviews that he did over the course

1091
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,079
of his life, and they're so meandering, and it seems

1092
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:43,400
like he's holding nothing back. It seems like he's got

1093
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,119
a he's got like a SOB story for everything that's

1094
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:48,039
ever happened in his career. Not a SOB story, but

1095
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:51,119
kind of like, you know, it's always like, oh it

1096
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:53,719
was great, but you know one thing I always bothered me,

1097
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,760
or one thing that really sucked about that whole thing,

1098
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,280
or one thing that really couldn't get over. There's always

1099
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,320
that at the end every time, which I love about

1100
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,360
the guy. I mean, that's that's that's our oxygen here,

1101
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,199
you know, as wrestlers who can't help but let some

1102
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,519
grievance out every time they open their mouth. But for Sid,

1103
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:13,320
it's just like man if if if in this instance,

1104
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,400
he wasn't comfortable saying what was on his mind in

1105
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,599
that exact moment. I can't imagine when you consider the

1106
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:20,639
things he does say, the things he does insist on

1107
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:24,000
mentioning it's a it's it's.

1108
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's something. If there's something that he's holding back from,

1109
00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:29,079
it's gonna be pretty pretty fucking juicy.

1110
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,519
Speaker 3: So coming off Wrestling Maney thirteen, he hits Peoria the

1111
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,360
March twenty fifth taping where he beats Jerry Fox and

1112
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,079
then uh, he goes to Kuwait with the ww OF

1113
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:39,920
tour in April of ninety seven. You know, they would

1114
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,280
often go to the Middle East, not often, but when

1115
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:42,559
they did go.

1116
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 4: Isn't it that it's that tour, isn't it? Isn't it

1117
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:45,800
that tour?

1118
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: Isn't what that tour where Vader gets stuck? He nailed it. Yeah,

1119
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,360
this is the tour where Vader does a morning talk

1120
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,639
show with Undertaker in Kuwait and.

1121
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 4: Is Taker just sits there like a fucking idiot.

1122
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we went through this on the nineties

1123
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:03,079
seven journey. I think yeah, and uh, you know, the

1124
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,840
rest of the host starts implying it's fake and says

1125
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,199
asks if it's fake, Invader gets up and snatches him

1126
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:10,880
by the shirt and idiot. It's a big international incident

1127
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,159
and they don't want to let him go return to

1128
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:13,960
the United States and he's going to be charged and

1129
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,519
it's bloody hilarious and Taker has to pretend to still

1130
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:18,360
be in character the whole time, even though.

1131
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 4: But he's not even like you know, keep in mind,

1132
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:26,000
this is Undertaker also dressing as right biker Taker, you know,

1133
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:31,159
big dead Undertaker. Like he's just he's he he's just

1134
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,079
he's sitting there. I mean, he looks not like the Undertaker.

1135
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,840
You know, he looks like two thousand Undertaker. It's very odd.

1136
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:43,119
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's odd, I agree, And it's a it's a

1137
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:48,480
time of great identity crisis for the Undertaker because they've

1138
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,280
put the strap on him. Now he's the man like,

1139
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:52,280
he's the guy that's going to go around and represented

1140
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,239
Waifs Champion. He's not this side show that doesn't really

1141
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,360
get a lot of media exposure because he's a gimmick

1142
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,159
like no, and now he's got to be the WIF Champion.

1143
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:01,760
He's going to be doing interviews. He's got to figure

1144
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,719
out how to talk and still be the Undertaker and

1145
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,760
still keep up this k Fabes kept up so long

1146
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,039
with the gimmick and was so well respected for keeping up.

1147
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,119
So I think that's kind of interesting crossroads and that

1148
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:13,519
whole thing. But yeah, this is the tour and Sid

1149
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:15,519
didn't want to go on the tour. Of course he didn't.

1150
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,000
As we'll get to he thought it was a wonderful

1151
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,320
opportunity as a matter of fact, to let a lot

1152
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,920
of nagging injuries heal. And he found a way to

1153
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,840
take it very personally that WWF instead of taking what

1154
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,840
he thought was a golden opportunity to take him off

1155
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,679
the road and suffer no ill consequence because there's not

1156
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:34,199
a lot of US cities that they're going to hit

1157
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:37,239
during the Kuwait tour to rehab some injuries and let

1158
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,440
him come back when they get back from Kuwait. He's

1159
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,239
doesn't want to make the shot. He doesn't want to go,

1160
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:43,880
and that they him go anyway.

1161
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 4: And on.

1162
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:49,079
Speaker 3: April ninth of nineteen ninety seven in Kuwait City, he

1163
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:53,320
loses to Freddie Joe Floyd in Kuwait. Oh really, in

1164
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,440
the first round of the Kuwaiti Cup. Oh my god,

1165
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,719
So this is not the one that I'm mad wins?

1166
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:00,400
Remember that, didn't they do that the year before he

1167
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,400
won the Kuwaiti Cup.

1168
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that, and.

1169
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 3: They showed it on TV and played it up this one,

1170
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,559
they hardly been mentioned on television. But but yeah, he

1171
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:12,000
loses to Freddy Joe Floyd. Hkak Tracy smothers his old

1172
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pal from from Memphis. So I'm sure that wasn't a

1173
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,159
huge negotiation of all the jabbronis to have Sid lose to.

1174
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,639
But you know, when Sid's losing to someone like that,

1175
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:22,480
or losing in a very quick way, you know, he's

1176
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:26,400
coming off of having been told he's been a bad boy,

1177
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:30,239
you know, and this is your punishment lost to Freddy

1178
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:31,960
Joe Floyd. He's the equivalent of you know, rubbing the

1179
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,280
dog's face in the mess, you know.

1180
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the

1181
01:00:51,039 --> 01:01:09,119
boys need their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's an

1182
01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:14,119
lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carneo m JP Sorrow.

1183
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 3: So it's not going well in that result, I think

1184
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,840
tells you the story and then all of a sudden,

1185
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,159
what's also in jeopardy? His April match with Brett House

1186
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:23,880
with Brett Heart at the In Your House pay per

1187
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,360
view Brett House. Yes, all of a sudden, it's a problem.

1188
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,119
April twentieth, nineteen ninety seven, Dayton Daily News headline, Steve Austin,

1189
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:33,280
not Psycho Sid to be in your House. Wow, it's

1190
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,320
by Alex Marvez. The circumstances entering Tonight's in Your House

1191
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,119
pay per view show may be more interesting than the

1192
01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:41,039
card itself. The World Wrestling Federation was forced to change

1193
01:01:41,199 --> 01:01:44,400
Bretdheart's opponent to Steve Austin after Psycho Said missed a

1194
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,079
Monday night raw show two weeks ago.

1195
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

1196
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: Sid told WWF officials he had injured his back, but

1197
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,559
some believe that was an excuse to avoid losing to Heart.

1198
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:58,800
Considering Sid's shaky track record, that WWF decided it couldn't

1199
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,360
risk billing him on in Your Head House. Austin versus

1200
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,679
Hard is the promotion's hottest feud, but the WWF was

1201
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:08,400
hoping to save this match until later. Don't don't expect

1202
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,199
a conclusive finish, because neither Austin or Hart can afford

1203
01:02:11,199 --> 01:02:13,039
to lose. And I'm sitting here and I don't remember

1204
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:14,920
the finish. I think that's probably oh.

1205
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:20,239
Speaker 4: DQ, Yeah, Austin puts Brett Hart in the Sharpshooter and

1206
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:25,400
the the Heart Foundation comes out and disqualifies.

1207
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 3: Brett like right a Monday night raw finish on pay

1208
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,199
per views, right right, which tells you all you need

1209
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:35,280
to know about how how not by design? Rematching these

1210
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,199
two a month after Mania?

1211
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a shame. It's a good it's a

1212
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,400
decent match too. It's like, oh, yeah, they're not gonna

1213
01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:42,400
do anything you can't have. I mean, you really, you

1214
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,679
can't have a clean finish on you know, that's that's

1215
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:48,440
your money feud. That that should have been your WrestleMania

1216
01:02:48,519 --> 01:02:50,400
fourteen main event.

1217
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,039
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we've talked about that, Austin Hart Mania fourteen.

1218
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:57,679
If the screw job doesn't happen, that's the move easily,

1219
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:02,000
not Austin Sean. But yeah no, yeah, So what's this

1220
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:04,199
all about? Sid? I mean, what back injury? All of

1221
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:07,800
a sudden after your well, you know you told him, right,

1222
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:09,920
you told him they shouldn't have sent you to Kuwait.

1223
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,719
Speaker 4: I said, don't, don't, don't take me to Kuwait. So

1224
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,760
you take me to Kuwait, I get injured? What happened?

1225
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,559
Speaker 3: I've done so many jobs to suggest that I don't

1226
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:22,760
want to do a job I've done more.

1227
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,679
Speaker 4: Well, let's let's just let's just let him say.

1228
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 12: Oh boy, Uh, the first injury was a back injury.

1229
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,920
And that wasn't a fucking injury. First of all, it

1230
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:36,840
was a bullshit, fucking deal, Bruce Piccher, not fucking fat

1231
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,639
ass Jim Ross. My back was fucked up because I

1232
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:42,880
was taking those suit plexes off that fucking top roade

1233
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,440
for Brett every night, you know, and okay, god, and

1234
01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:48,840
it just seemed like every night my back was landing

1235
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,199
right on that piece of iron or something, and I

1236
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:55,400
was just totally worked well all right after els Mania,

1237
01:03:55,519 --> 01:03:57,280
I told Vince, I said, I don't want to go

1238
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,360
to that damn Overseas them sorry radio bullsh because I

1239
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,599
know there weren't going to beat people there. And I said,

1240
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:04,000
it's be a perfect time for me to get my

1241
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:07,320
back piled up. And I had, uh one day surgeries.

1242
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,119
I had a series of three of my needed to

1243
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:11,760
do and it was taking an epidural, which is you know,

1244
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,880
a big long need onto your back for cortizone injections,

1245
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,280
which would obliviate the pain for at least a year.

1246
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:23,880
So when they came back from Overseas, they said well,

1247
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,119
have you got releasing the doctor yet and.

1248
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 14: I said no, I haven't.

1249
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:27,639
Speaker 12: You know.

1250
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 14: He said, well, man, we need to make Monday, not Row.

1251
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:30,960
It's coming Monday.

1252
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,159
Speaker 12: I said, well, I can make it, you know, and

1253
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:34,960
I'll just go to the doctor when I get back.

1254
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:37,480
They said, no, we need to go right now to

1255
01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:39,639
the doctor and have a look at you.

1256
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:41,639
Speaker 14: Now. This is before they started the court zone treatments.

1257
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 12: I said, guys, if I could just have a couple,

1258
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:45,480
I mean, don't worry about my back.

1259
01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 14: I'm telling you right now, if.

1260
01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 12: I go to the doctor, they were probably don't want

1261
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,000
to do surgery. And I was, you know, I knew

1262
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,119
that that was how fun e stept it was. Then

1263
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:55,599
I said, what my doctor came get me in today.

1264
01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:58,719
I was leaving to go to the family union for Saturday,

1265
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,199
and I was going to be back Sunday to go

1266
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:03,559
fly Monday from Monday out Row. So as soon as

1267
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:05,760
I have the phone, they coming back, like thirty minutes later.

1268
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,960
They actually called my own doctor and Scudy said we

1269
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:12,119
really needed him in there. Could you please get him in?

1270
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,199
So I said, okay, I'll call you back about thirty minutes.

1271
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:18,920
Five minutes for my doctor's office weren't in sure enough.

1272
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,440
He said, man, you're like six weeks eight weeks off

1273
01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:23,159
or something. So that I called him back and see

1274
01:05:23,159 --> 01:05:25,360
what I fucking told you, And see that's what started

1275
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,480
my bullshit. There was them two fat fox getting in

1276
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:31,559
my way to see events, knowing it or not knowing it.

1277
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:33,039
If he does do it, then that makes him a

1278
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:36,000
dumb fuck too to take a talent like me and

1279
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:38,480
just fuck me off like that, because I was willing

1280
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,039
to come back to work without a fucking doctor's release,

1281
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,639
because we all had to do that, and we're all

1282
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:46,039
going to have back problems, you have to walk around them.

1283
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,920
I mean, it was nice to get those Corrizon shop

1284
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,679
if that's just a doctor's way of making a quick

1285
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,880
fucking cup of way, you know what I mean. It

1286
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,320
gives you temporary relief, they say for one year, but

1287
01:05:56,639 --> 01:05:59,360
after that's going to come back anyway. And the thing is,

1288
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,280
we all know when you've been in the business, loans

1289
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,480
we have, you got an injury, it's gonna go away

1290
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:06,280
sooner or later, you know what I mean. So if

1291
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,519
you're gonna cry out every injury you have and not

1292
01:06:08,639 --> 01:06:10,760
be at work every night because you got an injury.

1293
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,599
But some people are then you never fucking work. But

1294
01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:20,039
that's where that that injury came in. It wasn't really

1295
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,199
an injury. It was just I needed a little time off,

1296
01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:24,000
and then when I came back, we had the wreck

1297
01:06:24,119 --> 01:06:26,440
and that's when I had the real surgery when I

1298
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:31,760
didn't invertebrate in my neck. I mean, I don't know

1299
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,840
what reason in the world, but they wanted me to

1300
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,159
have a doctor's release from my back before I came back.

1301
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,920
I guess for whatever reason they wanted to fuck with

1302
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,519
me or something. But I said, then I'll come back

1303
01:06:41,559 --> 01:06:43,440
and then I'll go to the doctor and I'll just say.

1304
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 14: I'm okay and we'll go on heals. Okay, well that's

1305
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:46,920
what we'll do.

1306
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 12: And like I said, when we talked to your doctor

1307
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:50,920
said he'll squeeze.

1308
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:52,599
Speaker 14: You in and I said, okay, I didn't want to

1309
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:55,400
go to the doctor because I know exactly what it said.

1310
01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 3: Nice is at least it's not complicated dealing with the guy.

1311
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,079
Huh No, not at all. What the you guys told me.

1312
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:03,519
If I go here, then but if I did this,

1313
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:05,360
but if I didn't go there, he's not even open today.

1314
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,639
I'm going to reunion. Fine, I'll go tomorrow, but he

1315
01:07:07,639 --> 01:07:09,960
can't even fit me in. Well, I go my reunion

1316
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,599
just like the what I didn't what? Why why are

1317
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:14,599
you telling me about your reunion?

1318
01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:15,159
Speaker 11: What do you have to do?

1319
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 16: Care?

1320
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 4: Stop it? Stop it?

1321
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 3: I mean what a what a okay? First of all,

1322
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,159
tremendous that he calls Jim Ross and Bruce Richard fat Fox.

1323
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:25,719
Oh yes, tremendous, absolutely, because I bet what's happening. And

1324
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:27,400
you can hear a little bit of annoyance in Bruce's

1325
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,039
voice when he did a pod about Sid like in JR.

1326
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:33,199
While he says diplomatic things about Sid, particularly after his passing,

1327
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:35,679
and otherwise he doesn't have a lot to say, like

1328
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:37,320
Sid is not someone who comes up in the books

1329
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,000
he's written and said, is not somebody he wants to

1330
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:41,079
talk much about, it seems like to me, which is

1331
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:42,880
weird because he was, you know, head of Talent Relations

1332
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,360
and there during Sid's biggest mischief years.

1333
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,559
Speaker 4: Yeah. Can I just say too, By the way, I

1334
01:07:49,639 --> 01:07:53,679
just so I have I'm looking through now because he

1335
01:07:53,719 --> 01:07:55,559
said I don't know how often did he say it

1336
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,280
was facing Brett Hart. I don't know.

1337
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,039
Speaker 3: He just said he's taking suplexes all the time. I

1338
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:01,039
don't know if it was every night.

1339
01:08:01,159 --> 01:08:05,639
Speaker 4: I mean, so far the I've only seen three matches

1340
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,559
I've been going through since February of ninety seven. I'm

1341
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:13,920
on the history of w website and there are maybe

1342
01:08:14,039 --> 01:08:17,600
three let's see here, I got I.

1343
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 3: Think he would take them in the triple threats with Sean.

1344
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 4: Well, they haven't had They had one in January. Yeah,

1345
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:33,800
and then he had three four four steel cage matches

1346
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:41,199
between March seventh and March ninth with Brett Hart. Besides that,

1347
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,359
he was teaming with Brett Hart. Yes, he and he

1348
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,880
and and Brett. We'll go against Sewn, Michaels and Steve Austin.

1349
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,079
Speaker 3: But it's every night, boss, I'm taking super plexes every night.

1350
01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:56,239
Speaker 4: Super plex? Are you taking superlexes from your partner?

1351
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 3: So when you see him take a superplex against Brett

1352
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,560
in that cage match after what but shoves down Vincent all.

1353
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 4: That, I mean, I'm sorry, I don't. I just don't

1354
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,199
think that that sid is taking a fucking superplex.

1355
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:09,279
Speaker 3: Well it wasn't an injury. I love this, that bullshit thing.

1356
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,840
It wasn't even injury. Well, was it? Why is there

1357
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,319
a deal then if you're not hurt, like I mean,

1358
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,680
I get it his whole thing, And did you decode

1359
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,039
what he was saying, like what is the case he

1360
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:21,880
was trying to make kind of He's saying that like

1361
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,319
I just needed to heal from a from a minor problem.

1362
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:29,520
I don't even call it an injury. And I thought,

1363
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,439
you know, since someone's gonna be in kuwait, I should

1364
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,039
just sit here and fucking rehab. And instead they're like,

1365
01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:39,319
we need you to go to raw uh And you're like, okay,

1366
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,520
but I don't have clearance, and they're like, you need

1367
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,600
to get clearance. This is at a point in time

1368
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,159
when WWF for some reason got very particular about having

1369
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:50,479
a doctor's okay before someone came back to the ring.

1370
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,199
They're probably afraid of getting sued or something like that,

1371
01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:56,439
i'd imagine. And so Sin is like Sid, Sid's the

1372
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,319
master of this game. Since the master of the doctor's

1373
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:02,279
closed or who knows what he tells the doc when

1374
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:04,359
he gets in there. You know, guys, I'm telling you

1375
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,760
he's gonna tell me that I can't work. Just go

1376
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,640
in and said, because you know they're thinking they're doing

1377
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,359
like a third party check and verification on this guy.

1378
01:10:11,399 --> 01:10:14,119
They think they're doing their diligence. Yeah, I mean, what

1379
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:15,840
are the odds, I said, just goes into the doctor

1380
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,119
and says, Doc, I can't even move.

1381
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:21,159
Speaker 4: I just caid, doc, Doc, I want to ask you

1382
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:25,119
a question. Yes, just look me the eye. I want

1383
01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:26,359
you to look me in the eye. I want you

1384
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:30,560
to answer the question, am I able to.

1385
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:31,079
Speaker 11: Go to work?

1386
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:33,119
Speaker 4: Well?

1387
01:10:34,039 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 9: Before you answer that, answer the answer the damn question, Well,

1388
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:44,079
should what kind of work do you do?

1389
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 2: I'm a long jumper, That's what I might have put it.

1390
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 4: Well, you see, you're like a long jumper, like like that,

1391
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,239
kind of like an Olympic athlete.

1392
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I am.

1393
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think you should do that. No, no, no, no,

1394
01:11:07,399 --> 01:11:11,119
I can't go to work. Doctor said, So, Doc, did

1395
01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:14,239
you say I could go back to work? I said no,

1396
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:17,119
I said, no, we cannot go back to work if

1397
01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:18,680
he's that kind of an athlete. Absolutely not.

1398
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 11: How long do I need to rest?

1399
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:25,359
Speaker 4: Doc? Well, I mean, honestly, are you training for the Olympics? Yes,

1400
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:25,880
I am.

1401
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,319
Speaker 11: How long do I need to rest?

1402
01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 4: Well, I'd say you need at least, you know, some

1403
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:35,159
maybe about two months of rehab. Doc.

1404
01:11:36,119 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 11: How long do I need to rest.

1405
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 4: I'd say at least four months.

1406
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 3: Awesome at that KFA doctor that's three minutes from his house. Yeah, okay, real,

1407
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,640
a real fresh set of eyes, a real objective observer.

1408
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,560
I mean, I'm not doubting the guy was hurt, but

1409
01:11:56,399 --> 01:11:57,920
he says it right there in the clip. You know,

1410
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:00,279
if you took off every time you could argue that

1411
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:04,079
you're hurting, you would never work, especially back then. So

1412
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,239
it's it's just it's phenomenal. And he's basically to my

1413
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,920
here my ear, accusing Prichard and Ross of you know, saying,

1414
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,920
fuck this guy, like we're gonna catch him in a lie,

1415
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:15,880
you know, and you don't catch Sid in a lie.

1416
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,119
You don't do it because he's just never gonna He's

1417
01:12:18,119 --> 01:12:19,720
never gonna grant your premise.

1418
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,239
Speaker 4: Right exactly, Listen, Sid's always gonna get out of it,

1419
01:12:22,359 --> 01:12:24,079
or he's gonna find a way out of it, exactly.

1420
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:27,399
Speaker 3: Just when you think you've like laid a fact pattern

1421
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:31,800
bear that calls into question his h his all the

1422
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,359
things that he said with so much conviction, something else

1423
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:36,000
comes up and he's just like, God, this is just

1424
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,760
gonna go on forever, isn't it unless we just give

1425
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,000
him when he wants, so let's just do that. But

1426
01:12:40,039 --> 01:12:41,600
this is this is it, this is where they completely

1427
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,399
lose patience with him. They've got the strap off him.

1428
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,359
He played the role he needed to play during all

1429
01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:49,279
that messiness with Sean giving up the belt, and now

1430
01:12:49,279 --> 01:12:52,640
there's pretty much we're headed towards zero tolerance policies it

1431
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:57,640
regards the Sidster and uh and these whole meandering games

1432
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,359
don't don't really hold water anymore. So that's what's going

1433
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:05,479
on around the April nineteen ninety seven In Your House show.

1434
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,840
Sid also says in the same interview that he had

1435
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,079
never heard of him being booked to wrestle Brett on

1436
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:13,840
the pay per view, despite it being on the docket

1437
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,560
and advertised once or choice on television. Meltzer reported that

1438
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:20,880
Sid's been working with a hernie in a disk in his

1439
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,119
back that was caused, you know, by straining and the

1440
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:28,840
other things talked about, and he says the reason was

1441
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,279
handled so clumsily. This is the Sid Brett match on

1442
01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:33,560
the April seventh, nineteen ninety seven, an episode of Monday

1443
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,520
Night Raw is they literally didn't know about it as

1444
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,279
the show was going on that Sid was not going

1445
01:13:37,319 --> 01:13:38,119
to be able to do the match.

1446
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:39,399
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

1447
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 3: I didn't know if he'd actually be there on RAW

1448
01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:42,840
or not. So this must be April seventh. Must be

1449
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,560
the Raw that he's talking about that they called him

1450
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,279
and said they'd need him for that. He knew shows,

1451
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:50,920
and then all the doctor stuff happens, Meltzer reported. Apparently

1452
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,039
Sid left a message at the office over the weekend.

1453
01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:56,840
Nobody was there, and Raw was taped on a Sunday night,

1454
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:57,600
so nobody knew.

1455
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 4: I think this is where this started. Is that the

1456
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:06,359
voicemail for nor We talked, Yeah, we did this amazing.

1457
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,439
This is where we did the we started the whole thing.

1458
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,199
Speaker 3: It was this missed Raw, unbelievable. And he calls on

1459
01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:16,720
the weekend knowing no one's going to be there, you

1460
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,880
know that whole trick. Yeah yeah, yeah, like telling Holt

1461
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,880
to facts the thing on a Sunday that he's going

1462
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,119
to exercise creative control against a head of bash at

1463
01:14:24,119 --> 01:14:26,760
the beach two thousand, just just to.

1464
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:27,399
Speaker 4: Cover your rent.

1465
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 3: You're ass legally upon Eric Bischoff's suggestion that he'd later

1466
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,239
claimed to know nothing about that, and he didn't think

1467
01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:37,119
to call the building Meltzer reported to let anyone know

1468
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:39,319
he was hurt. Ends up talking to Evince later in

1469
01:14:39,359 --> 01:14:42,199
the week, and Meltzer was reporting that no word on

1470
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:43,880
how long he'll be gone. But there's also a lot

1471
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,920
of skepticism at the time to the legitimacy of the

1472
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:48,600
maladies he.

1473
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:54,399
Speaker 4: Was an injury or some sort. I mean, you didn't call.

1474
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,920
I called, and even if I didn't, I don't need

1475
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,720
to tell you if I called her not right? Well,

1476
01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:09,439
I say, uh, you do kind of. I mean, what

1477
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,000
is there anything we can do to to help you?

1478
01:15:13,119 --> 01:15:14,720
I mean, we listen, we don't want to.

1479
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 3: I mean, let's be honest, pal. Yeah, I mean, you know,

1480
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,079
Brett put you over three times in a row. You know,

1481
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,680
now it's time for us to get Brett back on track.

1482
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,840
And it's you know, you gotta, you gotta When when

1483
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,680
can you come back? Because you know Brett needs that.

1484
01:15:29,399 --> 01:15:33,760
You know, Brett needs his win back. Remember the flip

1485
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,319
side of the coin when he was taking power bombs

1486
01:15:35,319 --> 01:15:35,680
every night?

1487
01:15:36,279 --> 01:15:38,119
Speaker 4: Said hello are you there?

1488
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 2: Said ship?

1489
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:43,359
Speaker 11: Oh?

1490
01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 4: Ship? He was listening. He was boyling, is what he

1491
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,720
was doing. I don't answer you face McMahon.

1492
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,239
Speaker 2: Oh that's in a shot.

1493
01:15:57,239 --> 01:15:57,560
Speaker 1: Oh, don't.

1494
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:04,399
Speaker 2: That's Brett. I to the sid and I want you

1495
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:05,640
to look me in the eye.

1496
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:11,279
Speaker 4: We're on the phone. Shut up, sadly exactly.

1497
01:16:15,119 --> 01:16:19,239
Speaker 8: I don't have to come to work because I had

1498
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:20,359
the master.

1499
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 2: And the ruler of my world.

1500
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 4: To say that again, yes, that these are all facts.

1501
01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:37,239
I understand that. However, you do you do have some

1502
01:16:38,079 --> 01:16:45,520
contractual dates. I do not have contractual anything. Uh told

1503
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:53,560
have contract mm hmm is that true? Does he not have? No? No,

1504
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,039
we we we have, we have we have a contract.

1505
01:16:56,239 --> 01:16:58,680
I got right here, Pa, you signed it. I'm looking

1506
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,359
at it right now. I want you is real good?

1507
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,640
Pick man? See it's not the world champion.

1508
01:17:06,119 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 3: No, yes, woh see, it's real simple.

1509
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 4: See it's real simple. You go around there, you start

1510
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:22,760
promoting that undertaker, that piece of shit. You go around

1511
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:28,079
and you're backing up Steve Austin, Sean Michaels, Brett Hart.

1512
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,680
But I want to ask you one thing. How come

1513
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,520
I'm being overlooked and stick man? Is it because I'm

1514
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:36,600
not a big movie star?

1515
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 3: He goes out of the old promo. He's only got

1516
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,680
like four or five scripts in his head. Really, let

1517
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,439
me guess it's real. Let me let me. Guess what

1518
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,159
I said. The game we play is simple?

1519
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,520
Speaker 4: Is this some? Is the game we play simple? I'm

1520
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,239
gonna tell you what's simple? And I ask you again,

1521
01:17:57,279 --> 01:17:59,800
Is it because I'm not a big movie star like

1522
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:04,600
Hulk Coagan, the Immortal One himself said, I don't really

1523
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,880
care about Hulk Hogan. I know he's over in WCW.

1524
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:12,000
Is it because I'm the newcomer? Said? You've been in

1525
01:18:12,039 --> 01:18:15,439
the company, I mean, on an office since nineteen ninety two.

1526
01:18:16,319 --> 01:18:18,920
You're not a newcomer anymore. I want you to answer

1527
01:18:19,039 --> 01:18:23,680
this one question, vis Nick Man, I want you to

1528
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,000
ask me if I know shit.

1529
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:30,079
Speaker 1: Do?

1530
01:18:31,159 --> 01:18:37,359
Speaker 4: This is an interesting position, all right, I'm do do do?

1531
01:18:37,359 --> 01:18:40,279
Do you know shit? I don't know shit.

1532
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 17: I don't know you.

1533
01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:45,399
Speaker 4: I don't know where I am. And that means I

1534
01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:48,520
don't have to obey and I don't have to sit

1535
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,680
around and do things that you want or that I

1536
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,319
think that I need to do. I'll tell you what

1537
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,680
I need to do. I have got three hundred pounds

1538
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:07,119
of things Vienna sausages in my garage right now. Uh okay,

1539
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:14,439
Vietna three pounds. Okay, that's a lot of canned meat.

1540
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:20,159
Did you say Vietnamese sausages. You're saying Vietnamese. So that's

1541
01:19:20,199 --> 01:19:24,119
not what I said. I got Vienna's, I got Vina,

1542
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:31,279
I got vienna is coming out of my ass.

1543
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,319
Speaker 3: He says it like it's He says it like I

1544
01:19:35,319 --> 01:19:43,560
got I got whooping cough, you know, like I got Vienna's. Look, look,

1545
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,359
I got Vienna's. Like that's one thing you can't say

1546
01:19:46,399 --> 01:19:48,000
about me is that I don't have Viennas.

1547
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 4: If you need me, send me pictures of viennas I

1548
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,680
got them, if I need to prove to you that

1549
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,119
I have all that I have all these Viennas in

1550
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:03,520
my in my garage because my fucking son doesn't didn't

1551
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:04,399
deliver them on time.

1552
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:06,560
Speaker 11: Vienna's.

1553
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,119
Speaker 3: You talk about what else might they be packaged with?

1554
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,560
In terms of an overall holistic meal?

1555
01:20:12,319 --> 01:20:14,399
Speaker 4: What do you I mean Vienna's. It's a that's a

1556
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:18,880
hearty meal, is it not. It's like top of.

1557
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,279
Speaker 11: A serial killer. You're just hoping he doesn't shoot.

1558
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:27,239
Speaker 4: I'll tell you in my experience, Vienna sauage, very hearty meal.

1559
01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:30,319
I see h. What do you what do you exactly?

1560
01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:34,039
Do you do you? Are you calling the police? Exactly?

1561
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,039
Are you so? What exactly I don't know how long

1562
01:20:37,039 --> 01:20:38,920
I can do this. I don't not want Patterson. You

1563
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,680
better call the goddamn cops. I don't know what I'm

1564
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,560
fucking doing here. So what what? What? What would do?

1565
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,920
What would you kind of eat in addition to the

1566
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,000
Vienna sausage? Would you have another, uh maybe a side

1567
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,600
dish or something. So you get a nice cheddar cracker

1568
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,279
and you put the viennas on side on top, you know,

1569
01:20:59,359 --> 01:21:02,199
in between, you make yourself a sandwich about to drink,

1570
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:07,880
about to drink? Said, wow, you have a beverage to

1571
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:13,720
kind of wash down me a Vienna sandwich? I just

1572
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:18,279
get bow water. It's all these a ball of water,

1573
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,239
I'll say you would if you really want to make

1574
01:21:22,279 --> 01:21:26,079
it a successful meal, a meal that will draw fans

1575
01:21:26,119 --> 01:21:29,640
every single time, Well, this is what we need, we need.

1576
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,479
I guess we should start doing na Vienna sandwiches to

1577
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:40,960
fans and arenas. I guess they draw people. You can

1578
01:21:41,039 --> 01:21:45,159
get all right, if you really want to make it

1579
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:51,399
a full meal, you get yourself a moonpie, I say,

1580
01:21:52,119 --> 01:21:57,119
moonpie with Vienna sandwiches and a bah wah wah. Do

1581
01:21:57,119 --> 01:22:07,880
you get that one bah wah wah ball water? So Bruce,

1582
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:08,840
he called you a fat bitch.

1583
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 18: Any comments at this point, it's a lot of skepticism

1584
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:18,960
because again Sid had everybody's number, He had Vince's home

1585
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,800
phone number. Vince isn't that hard to get in touch with.

1586
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:29,479
So everybody's got the booking sheets. You can let everybody know.

1587
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,760
So that's the that's the part where the bullshit flags

1588
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:38,680
go up and you just think, Okay, Sid doesn't want

1589
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,840
to play anymore, and that that was the feeling.

1590
01:22:42,079 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 10: It just was damn it well. But also there was

1591
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,560
a feeling of relief.

1592
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,279
Speaker 18: That well, we got WrestleMania out of it, we got

1593
01:22:53,279 --> 01:22:54,880
the we got everything on taker, and.

1594
01:22:55,239 --> 01:23:00,119
Speaker 10: We're moving forward. So that was the feeling.

1595
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:04,239
Speaker 18: Man, if a guy, thing that we wanted to do

1596
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,000
was make sure the guys were taken care of. Also,

1597
01:23:08,079 --> 01:23:10,000
we had to take care of the company. So if

1598
01:23:10,039 --> 01:23:13,720
you come in, it was a changing in times in general,

1599
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,600
where you say you're hurt, Okay, we need you to

1600
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,920
get checked out by a doctor, find out what's wrong

1601
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,439
with you, find out what it is that you need

1602
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,520
to do to correct the problem. Once you do that,

1603
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,720
we also need a doctor to release you and say, yes,

1604
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:30,840
this person is in good physical condition. To be able

1605
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,439
to go out and compete and be a part of

1606
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:33,880
the show.

1607
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 10: That's what we did.

1608
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 18: So if that is getting in his way, then yeah,

1609
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,640
we got in his way. But we're taking care of

1610
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,720
the company. We're taking care of business because just the

1611
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,600
business was changing. Couldn't just take someone's word and say, yep, okay,

1612
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,800
I'm clear to go now after you've told me, and

1613
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,279
after you've got a doctor say no, you're not good.

1614
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,399
So it was I think it was the first time

1615
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:05,079
that he was really being challenged on some of these things.

1616
01:24:05,159 --> 01:24:08,399
Speaker 10: And if that's the case, then that's case.

1617
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 3: You were saying, boss.

1618
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:12,600
Speaker 4: Well, so he says like, oh, we got you know,

1619
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,039
we at least we got it on you know, we

1620
01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:17,039
had WrestleMania. We got WrestleMania from him, and we got

1621
01:24:17,039 --> 01:24:18,439
the belt onto It's like, wh why didn't you give

1622
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,439
the bell to take her fucking in February at the

1623
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,520
final four? Then yeah, that was your big problem.

1624
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's it's an interesting call. I mean,

1625
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,840
I think probably started to be a good match for

1626
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:30,760
WrestleMania they were going to do. I think one of

1627
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,600
the things we figured out doing this whole thing is

1628
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,279
that they were going to do Sid Undertaker title or

1629
01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:38,239
no title at WrestleMania, right, right, So if you're going

1630
01:24:38,319 --> 01:24:40,239
to do that, if it's going to be a championship

1631
01:24:40,279 --> 01:24:41,760
match all of a sudden, might as well have Taker

1632
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,359
win it at Mania instead of Final Four. I guess

1633
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,720
that was always supposed to be the show to figure

1634
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,840
out what to do without Sean there and bridge the gap.

1635
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,520
But yeah, so this is you know, to hear Bruce

1636
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:55,800
tell it, this is people challenging Sid. You know, these

1637
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,840
these up the these injuries that seemed to come up

1638
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,319
right at the same time that they're proposing he do

1639
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,880
something that they probably think he doesn't want to do.

1640
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:08,079
Enough of those strange coincidences, and they, like we said,

1641
01:25:08,079 --> 01:25:11,239
they thought they were going to, you know, catch him

1642
01:25:11,239 --> 01:25:13,359
in the act, catch him in a lie by engaging

1643
01:25:13,359 --> 01:25:15,000
the doctor. And I'm not sure that didn't just make

1644
01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:21,159
everything a lot worse. And Pritchard on his show goes

1645
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:22,960
on to say that they were still hopeful come that

1646
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,880
in your house, that Sid would show up and Ross

1647
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:30,159
before that, and he says he thinks Vince felt that

1648
01:25:30,199 --> 01:25:31,920
if we put him there and gave him the opportunity,

1649
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,439
he's going to see it. And he's going to come back,

1650
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,640
but of course that wouldn't be the case come early June.

1651
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,159
There's a barding that said was supposed to return on

1652
01:25:40,199 --> 01:25:42,760
the May thirtieth show in San Jose, but claimed he

1653
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:48,039
had the flu. It wouldn't be back until June twenty eighth.

1654
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,199
Speaker 4: He had to flew the coop.

1655
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 3: He flew the coop exactly. But he does come back

1656
01:25:52,319 --> 01:25:55,960
June's second, nineteen ninety seven in Huntington, West Virginia, and

1657
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,800
not only does he come back, we get that result

1658
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,000
that tells us he's been a naughty boy. He loses

1659
01:26:00,119 --> 01:26:02,119
to the Undertaker in five minutes.

1660
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:03,319
Speaker 11: Wow.

1661
01:26:04,079 --> 01:26:07,159
Speaker 3: There was a rematch on Raw between Undertaker and Sid

1662
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,800
in June of nineteen ninety seven, and Undertaker does an interview,

1663
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,720
you know, kind of laying out what he's become since

1664
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,920
beating Sid and makes a comment about ruling the world,

1665
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,319
and that brings out Sid, who challenges him to a

1666
01:26:21,359 --> 01:26:23,880
match later in the show. Then Taker beats him quickly.

1667
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,680
And Meltzer was reporting at the time that when Sid

1668
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,000
showed up, they told him he's doing a job for

1669
01:26:29,119 --> 01:26:31,760
Undertaker and he didn't want to do it, and he

1670
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:33,319
and was given.

1671
01:26:33,079 --> 01:26:37,319
Speaker 4: When the belt back parent. Did we say that's the thing?

1672
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,359
Did we say that that was going to happen? Wait,

1673
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:40,720
you thought we were going to put the belt back

1674
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,000
on you? When you put the belt back on you,

1675
01:26:43,399 --> 01:26:45,680
That's why I came back, I said, just someone told me,

1676
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,119
because you told me this man that you're giving me

1677
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:48,880
the belt back.

1678
01:26:49,279 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 3: Was the name of the person that told you this?

1679
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 4: Was it Sid? By any chance? Did did Sid tell

1680
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:56,600
you this that? Or tell you? What?

1681
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 16: Was it?

1682
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:57,079
Speaker 19: Bo?

1683
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:04,159
Speaker 4: Was it? Oh? Shit? Was it bo? Justice?

1684
01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 3: Does Bow know Pal? Does Bow know the finish is

1685
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:09,680
Bow and the No?

1686
01:27:10,199 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 4: Shit, that's a good question. Or does Bow blow? I'm well,

1687
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,479
you're talking pale right now, you're talking crazy. But I

1688
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,399
want to tell you exactly who it was, yes that

1689
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:24,359
told me I was going to get the title back?

1690
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,359
All right, I'm all here, and believe me. I'm all ears,

1691
01:27:27,399 --> 01:27:30,359
and I want to get my firing hand ready because

1692
01:27:30,359 --> 01:27:36,039
someone's gotten fucking fired. It was stens nick Man. Wow,

1693
01:27:37,399 --> 01:27:43,319
Uh who I'm fired? Do you know? I gotta go? Bye?

1694
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:45,399
Speaker 3: And it was given some threats, according to Meltzer, s

1695
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,000
to his future employment and finally agreed to lose to Undertaker.

1696
01:27:49,159 --> 01:27:51,800
As a result of that, A pictcher just talked about

1697
01:27:52,039 --> 01:27:56,880
remembering that and Sid saying something's defective. Well, you're bringing

1698
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,079
me back and I'm gonna go out and do a

1699
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:01,119
job tonight. What good will I be after that? And

1700
01:28:01,279 --> 01:28:03,359
Pritchard's thought is, exactly what good have you been for

1701
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,279
not showing up for all this last bird of die?

1702
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:08,239
So at least let us get a win on television

1703
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:10,680
for the top guy and see what happens from there.

1704
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,840
But Richard said he just didn't understand why he was

1705
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:14,479
being brought back to do a job. And our feeling

1706
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,039
was you're being brought back so that we can get

1707
01:28:16,039 --> 01:28:18,439
something back on television because we're really not sure what

1708
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:19,159
the future is.

1709
01:28:19,319 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 4: Why you have me lose, well, because that's you know,

1710
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,720
you When you lose something, that's the way it goes.

1711
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 14: I don't lose.

1712
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,079
Speaker 4: People don't believe that I lose because I'm a shooter.

1713
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 3: Excuse me, don't you remember a shooter? Don't you remember

1714
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:38,119
that magazine feature you did on me?

1715
01:28:39,079 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 4: Impty, I hunt uh hunt game.

1716
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 12: This.

1717
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:55,199
Speaker 3: I saw your meeting there with Big Sid. What's on

1718
01:28:55,319 --> 01:28:55,920
his mind?

1719
01:28:56,319 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 4: Oh? I'm telling you he's hunting you, hunting me?

1720
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 11: Huh, that's he said.

1721
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:05,199
Speaker 4: He's hunting game. He's hunting hunter.

1722
01:29:06,039 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 3: The hunter is becoming the hunted bell.

1723
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:12,199
Speaker 4: The hunter hunter. You're being hunted by a hunter hunter.

1724
01:29:12,319 --> 01:29:14,560
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question, Pelle. If I asked

1725
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,520
you to stand naked in the middle of Times Square

1726
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:19,239
and deface yourself.

1727
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,119
Speaker 4: Would you do that? Would you do that?

1728
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 11: Would do that?

1729
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 4: If I told you to do it? Would you do that?

1730
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:25,319
Would you do that? Would you be a good son

1731
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:29,560
and do that for me? Go out to Times Square naked?

1732
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:35,199
All right, touch yourself and like wave it around.

1733
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,600
Speaker 3: How do you prove you prove loyalty to events? You

1734
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,640
masturbate to completion in Times Square?

1735
01:29:41,319 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 4: I would like you to do to pleasure yourself in

1736
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,159
Times Square. I want you to lay on lay on

1737
01:29:48,199 --> 01:29:51,439
the ground, all right, lay on the ground in Times

1738
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:55,199
Square naked, and I want you to pleasure yourself to completion.

1739
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 3: Paul, this is Jack and JP. They host the Lapsed

1740
01:29:58,039 --> 01:30:04,720
Fan podcast. Actually, oh, you're the guys that, uh, you

1741
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,520
guys would talk about, you know, wrestlers jerking off all

1742
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,279
over themselves. And so if you guys talk a lot

1743
01:30:09,319 --> 01:30:11,560
about Dix, I always think that's kind of weird. You

1744
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:16,640
can't picture his face right now? Yeah, totally to laugh

1745
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:18,880
at us, Well, weren't you telling people to suck it

1746
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:23,640
for years? Didn't you kind of go half naked during

1747
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,000
the beginnings of d X, you know all the time.

1748
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 4: I mean, oh, I was a kid.

1749
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 3: These guys thought it was a shoot. You believe these guys,

1750
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,840
Oh my god, Well like his chrow magnan forehead and

1751
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:38,840
his bald head.

1752
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 4: Oh god, his bracelets. You guys need a little you know,

1753
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,359
you guys need a little uh, you know, a little

1754
01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:54,319
dose of reality. Guys working you know, God's been working

1755
01:30:54,359 --> 01:30:55,319
your gimmick too much.

1756
01:30:56,319 --> 01:30:58,399
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know the the LAPS fan podcast.

1757
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:00,119
Oh yeah, yeah, you guys are the who who oh

1758
01:31:00,119 --> 01:31:06,800
whoa whoa guys, right, so uh ah giving us every

1759
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,319
indication at the time, Bruce says of Sid that Sid

1760
01:31:09,319 --> 01:31:10,760
didn't know what his future was in the company, And

1761
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,239
in fact, if you look through the tea leaves at

1762
01:31:13,279 --> 01:31:17,039
the time, there was some overtures clearly being made from

1763
01:31:17,079 --> 01:31:21,119
Sid towards WCW. And I do wonder if, yeah, when

1764
01:31:21,119 --> 01:31:23,000
he got that pregnant pause there, I do wonder if

1765
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:26,560
he kind of a called WCW in frustration when he

1766
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,199
realized they were taking the strap off of him.

1767
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:30,560
Speaker 4: What's the problem, Why why not tell that? Though that

1768
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:32,399
seems like a weird thing not to tell.

1769
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,359
Speaker 3: You talked about sid not telling it. Yeah, yeah, well

1770
01:31:35,399 --> 01:31:39,520
probably there's legal sensitivities about opening up those conversations before

1771
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:43,399
the contract is expired. That's always been like a two.

1772
01:31:43,239 --> 01:31:44,239
Speaker 4: Even this far out.

1773
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like that's always been a two faced thing

1774
01:31:47,279 --> 01:31:48,920
about wrestling. Were like it was like a big deal

1775
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:50,720
when Jericho in his book talked about like coming to

1776
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:52,840
Vince's living room table a dining room table when he

1777
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,159
was still under w'sw contract. Because that's tampering. You're not

1778
01:31:55,159 --> 01:31:57,800
supposed to you're not supposed to be going after somebody

1779
01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,560
that gives the other company legal recourse. But of course

1780
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,199
everybody does it. You just don't admit you're doing it.

1781
01:32:02,399 --> 01:32:04,640
But you usually send out feelers through back channels and things,

1782
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,079
and you know word gets back to them. You want

1783
01:32:06,079 --> 01:32:07,359
word to get back to them because you want them

1784
01:32:07,399 --> 01:32:09,920
to sweeten the pot. You want them to suddenly take

1785
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,039
your demands more seriously because they're afraid you're going to jump,

1786
01:32:12,039 --> 01:32:13,800
and you need them to know that to get that leverage.

1787
01:32:14,079 --> 01:32:15,439
But at the same time, you can't be too explicit

1788
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:17,960
about it. This is me hypothesizing what may have been

1789
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,720
going through Sid's firing neurons when he paused there in

1790
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:22,920
that interview. But yeah, this is the time too when

1791
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,600
people like Shan's going to WCW. Remember that did the

1792
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,760
whole backstage fight with Brett and he's going to go

1793
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,560
right to Nitro and all that shit. This was that

1794
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,479
time where it's like, what's the next shoot to drop

1795
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,560
on the big migration to WCW. And it would shock

1796
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,439
me if SID didn't find a way to get his

1797
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,920
name in that sauce. So I think that's what Bruce

1798
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,960
Richard is intimating. There and there and there was There

1799
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,960
was like a one off clipping I found looking at

1800
01:32:45,119 --> 01:32:47,600
news coverage of Sid, mainstream news coverage of SID in

1801
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,920
nineteen ninety seven, where it's trip up said he's heading

1802
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,720
to WCW. It was completely unsourced. The cares like one

1803
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,760
of these, like you know, local wrestling newspaper columnists. They

1804
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,479
don't have any sourcing or anything like that, but for

1805
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,359
some reason bold enough to declare it's going to happen.

1806
01:33:01,399 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 11: Of course it didn't.

1807
01:33:02,039 --> 01:33:03,520
Speaker 4: Wow, But uh, you know.

1808
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,159
Speaker 3: That usually bubbles up to the surface because there's some

1809
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:07,399
fire to the smoke.

1810
01:33:08,119 --> 01:33:24,359
Speaker 1: It's the Lasall Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows

1811
01:33:24,399 --> 01:33:42,439
the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's

1812
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:46,680
the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio and

1813
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:47,640
JP Sorrow.

1814
01:33:48,039 --> 01:33:50,119
Speaker 3: But it continues for Sid. He hits Lowell on June six,

1815
01:33:50,279 --> 01:33:52,439
ninety seven, teaming with Shawn Michaels and Steve Austin. There's

1816
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,119
a three man team for you. Yeah, I tell you

1817
01:33:55,159 --> 01:33:56,920
that's crazy if you think O. When Bulldog and Jim

1818
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,760
Knightheart they moved to Portland and Maine for the same match.

1819
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:01,159
And then King of the Ring like you mentioned, takes

1820
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:03,800
place June eight, ninety seven in Providence and on that show,

1821
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:05,800
Jim Knighthart Owen Hart and British Bulldog from the Heart

1822
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:08,520
Foundation they defeat. Do you recall who.

1823
01:34:10,359 --> 01:34:12,600
Speaker 4: Sidneylod Well done on.

1824
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,399
Speaker 3: The show said on the losing end, once again, you

1825
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:17,800
can tell this isn't going anywhere in particular. Then there's

1826
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,039
the June ninth, nineteen ninety seven row. This is the

1827
01:34:20,039 --> 01:34:22,560
infamous one in Hartford where Brett rips out some of

1828
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:26,319
Shawn Michael's hair backstage. On that show, Undertaker, Sid and

1829
01:34:26,399 --> 01:34:29,279
Ken Shamrock defeat Jim Knighthart, owen Hart and the British Bulldog.

1830
01:34:29,319 --> 01:34:31,960
So kind of pushing in the direction there of SID

1831
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,760
of being aligned against Team Canada against the Heart Foundation. Yeah,

1832
01:34:36,079 --> 01:34:38,960
ros Ward June ninth, ninety seven, Harvard Civic Center. The

1833
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:42,199
next the same night, he defeats owen Hart. That's probably

1834
01:34:42,399 --> 01:34:45,159
taping for the next week. They go to Montreal June

1835
01:34:45,279 --> 01:34:47,760
thirteenth of nineteen ninety seven, where the Bulldog defeats SID

1836
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,800
in the European title match, and then they go to

1837
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:52,880
Toronto on June fourteenth, where owen Hart defeats SID for

1838
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,560
the Intercontinental title. So if he's taken back to back

1839
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,119
losses here in Canada, you can tell this is us

1840
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,039
definitely out of the SID business and they're definitely trying

1841
01:35:03,079 --> 01:35:05,399
to get as many wins over him as they can.

1842
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,560
Speaker 4: And these were the these are house shows or these

1843
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:08,720
are on TV the house shows?

1844
01:35:09,239 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, the TV one was the six Man and

1845
01:35:13,239 --> 01:35:16,000
him beating owen gotcha. So they're not even having to

1846
01:35:16,119 --> 01:35:18,279
lose on But there must have been something that fell

1847
01:35:18,279 --> 01:35:21,520
apart around that June ninth raw taping in Hartford, where

1848
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,359
you know the next two shots they have he's losing

1849
01:35:23,399 --> 01:35:25,199
to Bulldog and Owen in Canada. There's got to be

1850
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,680
that had to be some last straw argument or something

1851
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:29,560
like fuck this, We're not doing this anymore kind of thing.

1852
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:34,199
This appeared in the June sixteenth, nineteen ninety seven Canadian

1853
01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:37,840
Press out of Hawkesbury, Ontario. It's about to get a

1854
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:40,520
lot more complicated because even if they were throwing in

1855
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,439
the towel on sid as, those match results indicate their

1856
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:49,760
hand would also kind of be forced. Hawkesbury, Ontario, four

1857
01:35:50,079 --> 01:35:53,439
World Wrestling Federation superstars were turned home Monday, banged up

1858
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:56,159
with cuts and bruises after the car they were in

1859
01:35:56,680 --> 01:35:59,520
flipped at oh Boy and route to About in suburb

1860
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,600
and Ottawa. On Sunday, they were in a Lincoln Continental

1861
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,880
that hit a soft shoulder of Highway forty near Point Fortune, Quebec,

1862
01:36:06,279 --> 01:36:09,319
about two kilometers from the Ontario border, said Quebec Provincial

1863
01:36:09,319 --> 01:36:12,880
Police spokesman Pierre Robischowed. They were heading from rap from

1864
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:16,319
Montreal to the Choral Center in Cannata, Ontario, for the

1865
01:36:16,359 --> 01:36:21,399
WWF Canadian Challenge on Sunday night. WWF spokeswoman Joe Anne Rougeau,

1866
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:25,279
that's gotta be j Jacques. Joe's a daughter or something.

1867
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,479
Joe Ann Rujeau said, Psycho Sid really named Sid, Udy,

1868
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,479
flash Funk, Charles Skaggs, and Flash Funk is always around

1869
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:35,159
when Sid when happens, but it's going down.

1870
01:36:36,199 --> 01:36:36,319
Speaker 5: Uh.

1871
01:36:36,359 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 3: Philipon and Doug Furnace or Dwight Furnace were in the

1872
01:36:39,079 --> 01:36:43,239
car when it tumbled three or four times. Wow, the

1873
01:36:43,279 --> 01:36:46,560
passenger side was totally crushed, she said from Montreal. The

1874
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:48,800
car is totaled. I bet you can't even tell the color.

1875
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,840
She said. It appeared Furnace suffered the most serious injury,

1876
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:54,399
a broken shoulder blade, while the Fawn suffered a concussion

1877
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:55,760
and cuts to his scalp. And this would be the

1878
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,520
end of Furnace and the Fawn and WWF boss right here. No,

1879
01:37:00,079 --> 01:37:02,000
it's a result of these injuries. They pretty much know

1880
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:04,600
the push, the push. They come back, but no one

1881
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:05,159
kiss a fuck.

1882
01:37:05,239 --> 01:37:05,560
Speaker 11: It's over.

1883
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:07,319
Speaker 4: It's over.

1884
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 3: They're in srivs at seven, right, it's over.

1885
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 4: Ah, that's sad.

1886
01:37:13,159 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 3: Skaggs was unheard except for bruises, while Udy, the six

1887
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,399
foot ten, three hundred and twenty pound former WWF champion,

1888
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,680
was experiencing numbness in his arms.

1889
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:21,399
Speaker 11: And legs. M.

1890
01:37:22,359 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's talk about after the crash. Enough of

1891
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:28,680
a before the crash. They're all having a hard time moving,

1892
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,600
Rajau said, adding everyone with the exception of Lafawn was

1893
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:33,560
headed home to the United States. Lafun is from Quebec

1894
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,319
but resides in Calgary. Roubischoud said the driver lost control

1895
01:37:36,359 --> 01:37:41,199
while trying to adjust the sun roof. Beauty was behind

1896
01:37:41,359 --> 01:37:41,760
the wheel.

1897
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:46,520
Speaker 4: Police, you get your rashed down steering i'sta sun roof.

1898
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:49,600
Speaker 3: Sid was bunched up his knees to the steering wheel,

1899
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:52,039
steering with his thumb and index finger in both hands.

1900
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:53,039
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

1901
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 3: Claire Diamond, a spokeswoman at Hawkesbury General Hospital, where the

1902
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,479
four were taken, said that they were all treated and released.

1903
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,399
On Sunday night, the show with the core set up

1904
01:38:00,399 --> 01:38:02,760
before five thousand fans, was delayed for about thirty minutes

1905
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:08,359
while organizers scrambled to change the car. So a faithful

1906
01:38:09,239 --> 01:38:13,520
ride in Canada leads to yet another injury, hiatus and

1907
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,720
hiccup for one Sid Uti. Let's let's take it to

1908
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:19,159
sit in a shooting interview talking about what happened in

1909
01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:19,680
this incident.

1910
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 12: Right after that, we were well for Montreal Canada. That's

1911
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:29,159
when I flipped the car. And that's when the complete

1912
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:33,159
best serving body is completely up. And at first I

1913
01:38:33,359 --> 01:38:35,680
was when I'd gotten home. I was put in the

1914
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:39,199
hospital for almost twenty four hours, but I was on

1915
01:38:39,359 --> 01:38:42,439
machines that they thought I had a stroke? Did they

1916
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,319
take that rays of everything but my neck? And then

1917
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,239
the next day I went to a neurology is that's

1918
01:38:47,239 --> 01:38:49,119
the very first thing the actually and they saw the

1919
01:38:49,239 --> 01:38:52,319
broken vertebrat was pinched up against my spinal cord and

1920
01:38:52,359 --> 01:38:54,479
that's what it was causing the numbness in my left

1921
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,920
I wouldn't suffer any strength in it. I just could

1922
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:03,520
feel anything, I mean everything body when I mean really, Wow.

1923
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,119
Speaker 3: That's weird, total numbness boss.

1924
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:08,560
Speaker 4: Starting in the brain.

1925
01:39:09,239 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 3: A bad set of circumstances here for sid, no question,

1926
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,279
And of course there's always that twist of they forgot

1927
01:39:14,399 --> 01:39:17,840
to do an MRI of the brain, but they did

1928
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:20,239
a scan of everything else on the first doctor's visit. Wow,

1929
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:22,880
And then the next day there's got to be something there.

1930
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:24,720
There's got to be some reason. He pointed that out.

1931
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,319
But whatever it is, and he clearly was banged up

1932
01:39:27,319 --> 01:39:29,119
from this accident, I don't think anybody quibbles with that.

1933
01:39:29,319 --> 01:39:31,439
But the degree of injury I think is sort of

1934
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,960
a case dependent on his perception of what they might

1935
01:39:36,039 --> 01:39:38,920
do with him bringing him back into the fold, of course.

1936
01:39:39,279 --> 01:39:41,760
And uh, obviously it was legit injury as others suffered

1937
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:45,079
injuries and had a difficult and long rehab process ahead

1938
01:39:45,079 --> 01:39:48,560
of them. But that that's why Sid disappeared before that

1939
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:50,640
San Antonio raw that you remember him coming out at.

1940
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:55,119
Interesting is this car accident because he was on RAM

1941
01:39:55,319 --> 01:39:58,680
before and then he wasn't. But it's pretty wild that

1942
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:00,800
before the car accident happened, he was taking those losses

1943
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:05,800
like that on that Canadian swing. Yeah, you know, because

1944
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:07,279
that's always that always foretells.

1945
01:40:07,079 --> 01:40:09,560
Speaker 4: A lot of losses. Yeah, that's usually. Yeah, he's on

1946
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:10,119
his way out.

1947
01:40:10,279 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 3: I always foretell something for Big Sid, who is behind

1948
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:14,720
the wheel in this car accident, But it is. It

1949
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:18,399
is July fourteenth, nineteen ninety seven. Row comes to San Antonio,

1950
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:21,399
texashean Michael's hometown. He's there with Bells on as well,

1951
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,439
having come back from losing his smile and winning the

1952
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,359
tag titles with Steve Austin on Raw YEP Wrestling. Steve

1953
01:40:27,359 --> 01:40:28,920
Austin at the king of the ring, one on one

1954
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:31,439
kind of forming like you know, even though they wrestled

1955
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,039
each other, they were still sort of aligned. They were

1956
01:40:34,079 --> 01:40:35,720
still on the same side of the baby face heel

1957
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,199
ledger if you will, And here comes Sid. Sid comes back,

1958
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,000
and Sid comes back curiously, not in the usual gear,

1959
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,960
not showing off his physique, but he's in a black

1960
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,720
turtleneck with a jacket and black pants. Yes, and there's

1961
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:50,640
a lot to that, but first let's hear it. This

1962
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,640
is what you remember, boss. This is the segment on

1963
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,720
that July fourteenth, nineteen ninety seven episode of Raw in

1964
01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:00,800
San Antonio where we see Sid for the first time

1965
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:05,479
since the car accident, but for the last time in

1966
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:58,720
the w w F at a high level. Can Sherman

1967
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:14,479
joining sewn on the Steve on the stage, the Patriot

1968
01:42:14,560 --> 01:43:32,279
del Wilkes so much excitement. Ah yeah, seriously, do you

1969
01:43:32,319 --> 01:43:34,920
remember they had the Heart Foundation in the ring, and

1970
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,159
then one by one, with Steve Austin's music playing the

1971
01:43:38,199 --> 01:43:41,800
whole time, they bring him out. They bring out Ken Shamrock,

1972
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:44,319
they bring out the Patriot, who was brand new to

1973
01:43:44,359 --> 01:43:47,159
the WWF at that time. Yeah, that's wild, pretty sure,

1974
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:49,520
this is his first appearance before the people in WWF

1975
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:52,600
standing shouldered shoulder with Steve Austin and on the Titan

1976
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:54,680
tron by the way, they have Old Glory the American

1977
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:59,479
flag waving, and then they bring out Sid and you

1978
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:02,159
heard the people go especially nuts for the reappearance of

1979
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:06,760
Sid standing tall behind Steve Austin and before the American flag.

1980
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:10,239
And then Shawn Michaels comes out. You know, he's not

1981
01:44:10,319 --> 01:44:12,479
ready for battle. He's dressed in like his fucking khaki

1982
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:14,800
shorts or whatever he would be wearing in the summertime

1983
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:18,560
back then. But it's wild, like, how much more interesting

1984
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:22,159
would Canadian Stampede be if it was Steve Austin, Sean Michaels,

1985
01:44:22,359 --> 01:44:24,800
Sid the Patriot, and Ken Shamrock instead of what we

1986
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:26,159
can right.

1987
01:44:28,199 --> 01:44:28,560
Speaker 4: Crazy?

1988
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,079
Speaker 3: This segment indicates that's what they had in mind, the

1989
01:44:31,119 --> 01:44:33,640
storyline being Owen and Bulldog as tag champs. We're going

1990
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,600
to defend against some combination of all those guys and

1991
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:38,760
it would be decided and revealed later on in the show.

1992
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:43,079
The typical ratings ploy who indeed would get those those shots,

1993
01:44:43,399 --> 01:44:45,960
and it ended up being Steve Austin, and none of

1994
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,520
the people on the stage do you remember how this

1995
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,640
episode of Row concludes who joins forces with Stone Cold

1996
01:44:52,239 --> 01:44:55,119
Dude Love, Dude Love. It's the debut YEP of Mick

1997
01:44:55,159 --> 01:44:58,159
Foley as Dude Love YEP on the July fourteenth, nineteen

1998
01:44:58,199 --> 01:45:01,399
ninety seven Raw, and throughout the course of the evening,

1999
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:05,920
we hear backstage from everyone who joined Steve Austin on

2000
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:09,399
the stage, from the Patriot to Ken Shamrock to Shawn Michaels,

2001
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:12,359
all kind of describing while why they're in the hunt

2002
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:14,560
and while they were aligning themselves with Steve Austin here

2003
01:45:15,239 --> 01:45:17,560
in pursuit of the tag team championships in Warfare with

2004
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:21,760
the Hard Foundation. But we don't hear from Sid, but

2005
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:26,039
he went home. We see you say that, we see Sid,

2006
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,279
but he's the only one we don't hear from a

2007
01:45:29,359 --> 01:45:32,439
curious choice, but to hear Jim Cornette tell it, who,

2008
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:36,079
of course was serving in the executive capacity at the

2009
01:45:36,119 --> 01:45:40,600
time and certainly was was no fan of Sid's prior

2010
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:47,000
behavior and business dealings, had the unfortunate and unenviable task

2011
01:45:47,079 --> 01:45:49,960
of trying to corral Sid for not only in appearance

2012
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:53,520
on this episode of Raw, but also for a post

2013
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:57,199
segment promo. Much like the others did, and there's a

2014
01:45:57,319 --> 01:46:01,359
very clear reason why said didn't make it, and we're

2015
01:46:01,399 --> 01:46:02,680
going to get to that right now. This is from

2016
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:05,279
Jim Cornett's podcast, and we also get a little glimpse

2017
01:46:05,359 --> 01:46:07,880
of what, well, let's say, the negotiation was ahead of

2018
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:11,039
this episode of Rossid's final appearance on WWF television here

2019
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:15,840
and how there were some terms that had to be

2020
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:17,880
reached before Sid would get on the plane.

2021
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:22,079
Speaker 6: Of course, it was the goddamn San Antonio, the Joe

2022
01:46:22,159 --> 01:46:26,079
and Harry Freeman Colisseum. Because I remember I was so

2023
01:46:26,239 --> 01:46:28,680
hot that I was ill and almost threw up by

2024
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,199
the time I got back the hotel room.

2025
01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:32,359
Speaker 14: It was like one hundred and ten in San Antonio

2026
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:34,159
that day, and.

2027
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:37,319
Speaker 4: Vince had insisted he come.

2028
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:40,920
Speaker 6: He'd been off because he was injured, and Vince had

2029
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:45,319
me calling, and I called and got his wife because

2030
01:46:45,359 --> 01:46:48,520
he was out. He was playing softball or he took

2031
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:54,840
the softball team to Oceola or somewhere in Arkansas. And

2032
01:46:55,039 --> 01:46:59,920
I said, Vince wants him, you know, at raw Monday night.

2033
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:01,800
He doesn't have to wrestle. He know he's hurt, but

2034
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,319
he's got to make an interview appearance and do part

2035
01:47:04,359 --> 01:47:05,039
of this deal.

2036
01:47:05,239 --> 01:47:05,399
Speaker 8: Right.

2037
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:09,279
Speaker 6: Oh, he's not gonna like that. He hasn't had time

2038
01:47:09,319 --> 01:47:12,880
to train lately. He doesn't feel well. I said, he's

2039
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:13,640
not wrestling.

2040
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 4: How bad could he look in a fucking month.

2041
01:47:17,039 --> 01:47:18,600
Speaker 6: I'm thinking to myself, we haven't said him in a

2042
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:22,600
fucking month. How what could he have deteriorated too? And

2043
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:28,279
she said, you know, Sids often said that he he

2044
01:47:28,399 --> 01:47:30,399
thought he might be happier if he went back to

2045
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:35,039
selling farm chemicals. I don't know whether she's trying to

2046
01:47:35,279 --> 01:47:37,479
just pour her heart out to me or negotiate with

2047
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,680
me on his behalf, like you better give me more money.

2048
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:43,960
He might go back to selling farm chemicals. And I said,

2049
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:47,479
I said, nevertheless, Vince wants in there. He's sending a

2050
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:50,880
plane ticket Monday, San Antonio. He's going to do this

2051
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:51,560
interview thing.

2052
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 4: Right.

2053
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:58,319
Speaker 6: So he shows up and I Katie remember the particulars.

2054
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:01,960
But the four top baby face whoever they were at

2055
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,039
this point in time, was michaels Is whoever the fuck?

2056
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:09,239
They all come out on the stage and confront the

2057
01:48:09,319 --> 01:48:12,000
group of heels in the in the ring, and Sid

2058
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:14,479
is one of them, and he he didn't take his

2059
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,960
shirt off, He's dressed his streak gloves. He didn't take

2060
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:19,600
his shirt off because he felt like he hadn't tanned

2061
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:24,840
like Jesus Christ. And then they were supposed to come

2062
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:26,920
back at the top of the hour seg seven and

2063
01:48:27,079 --> 01:48:29,760
that was when Raw was a two hour show and

2064
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,439
do some kind of run in and whatever and pay

2065
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:36,640
the thing off. And we started looking around for where

2066
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:42,359
Sid that's right, and asked Bruno, you know RV Whippelman Downtown.

2067
01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:45,359
Bruno because they went back to the Memphis days and.

2068
01:48:45,359 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 4: That was his manager of said justice, yes, and we

2069
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:53,760
said where Sid. Oh. He came up to me.

2070
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 6: He said he felt like he was having a heart attack.

2071
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:58,119
I said, who, where'd you take you for? I took

2072
01:48:58,199 --> 01:49:00,600
him back to the hotel? What the holiday inn?

2073
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:01,640
Speaker 10: For a heart attack?

2074
01:49:02,359 --> 01:49:04,279
Speaker 6: He said, just waiting to go back to the hotel

2075
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:05,319
is so hot?

2076
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:09,000
Speaker 4: The jeez, so he made he didn't make that segment.

2077
01:49:10,039 --> 01:49:11,640
He doesn't. You don't see him for the rest of

2078
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:17,439
the show. Nope, he had a heart attack. That's just

2079
01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:21,119
I mean, come on, I mean, look at that. That's

2080
01:49:21,239 --> 01:49:23,039
that's that's that's what happens.

2081
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 3: Why are we making light of all the challenges the

2082
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:26,439
man's facing.

2083
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:32,680
Speaker 4: I know, I know, look I had a heart attack.

2084
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:37,199
What you sound all right? I may have had a

2085
01:49:37,239 --> 01:49:39,039
heart attack. Oh that's not what you said the first time.

2086
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:42,840
Tell you you said you had a heart attack. I

2087
01:49:43,039 --> 01:49:49,880
had a condition, a condition. I may have had something

2088
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:53,640
happen to me. I cannot talk about it. Well, you've

2089
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:55,760
been talking about it the last two minutes.

2090
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:57,520
Speaker 3: I may have had something happen to me that I

2091
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:05,319
cannot talk about. Now, Cornette opens up a very important vein,

2092
01:50:05,399 --> 01:50:09,119
I think, for us. In our Sid tribute, Sabrina answered

2093
01:50:09,159 --> 01:50:13,359
the phone Sid's wife, Oh, yes, and I do invite

2094
01:50:13,359 --> 01:50:18,960
you to consider Sid, pantomiming over her shoulder Patterson Vince

2095
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:22,279
style while she's talking to Cornette about this raw appearance,

2096
01:50:22,319 --> 01:50:24,640
pretending he's not home. But she was really good at

2097
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:31,880
doing if I may make a supposition there and and basically,

2098
01:50:32,119 --> 01:50:34,560
you know, sometimes Sid just feels like you just go

2099
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:35,960
back to selling form chemicals.

2100
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:36,520
Speaker 4: You believe.

2101
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:41,359
Speaker 3: She says that, Oh it's so, it's so rich, you know,

2102
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:44,159
she's just so predemptibly.

2103
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 4: I think he's you know, he's he's been talking about

2104
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,399
he just wants to say molans, you know, that's what

2105
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:52,119
he wants to do.

2106
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 1: Now.

2107
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 4: I think he's kind of over the whole wrestling. He's

2108
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:56,840
wants to mo Loans.

2109
01:50:56,920 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 3: I think it's his home, his his his, his business

2110
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:02,840
that he set up. The catchphrase is kicking grass, and

2111
01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:05,920
he's gonna be out there turning over a new leaf

2112
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:07,600
in life. You know, sometimes I just think Sid just

2113
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:12,000
wish you'd go back to selling farm chemicals, so stupid.

2114
01:51:12,159 --> 01:51:16,119
Oh my god, she thinks like and she thinks like

2115
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:19,479
she's going to get them to agree to pay him

2116
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:21,680
more to show up, right, No, And he's in the

2117
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:25,159
back like making gestures like, okay, tell him a care cop.

2118
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 11: Tell him I wish, I wish I'll go back to

2119
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:29,319
selling form chemicals. Tell him that.

2120
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:34,119
Speaker 4: Tell him so Brina, he was go top tail the

2121
01:51:34,279 --> 01:51:36,800
could they sell farm things?

2122
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:41,520
Speaker 3: And it's just not Yeah, it's just not easy to

2123
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:43,840
get Sid to show up, and it's not easy to

2124
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:45,920
get Sid to do anything at this point, and so

2125
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:49,079
you can start to see that the challenge is when

2126
01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:51,840
he disappears and Bruno, who's of course the first guy

2127
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:53,119
he went to when he had to skip town in

2128
01:51:53,159 --> 01:51:55,920
ninety two, remember that whole fiasco, yep, as they high

2129
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:59,520
tailed it from a to to Logan airport because the

2130
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:02,319
STENSI the warrior didn't want to do business and he

2131
01:52:02,359 --> 01:52:06,079
had enough. While simultaneously there was the whole issue of

2132
01:52:06,239 --> 01:52:09,000
a failed drug test around WrestleMania eight. That was also

2133
01:52:09,039 --> 01:52:12,439
an issue, and it's more severe cracking down on steroid

2134
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:15,039
use in the company. And yeah, Bruno is just the

2135
01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:16,880
guy he turns to to say, you're coming with me,

2136
01:52:17,319 --> 01:52:19,199
you're booking the flight or whatever the hell you're doing,

2137
01:52:19,279 --> 01:52:23,520
you're facilitating my flight in the middle of the night.

2138
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:25,920
Here my fleeing of the territory, and you're coming with me,

2139
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,439
whether you'd like it or not. Brune of course did

2140
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:29,960
not go and stayed there and managed other people. And

2141
01:52:30,039 --> 01:52:31,640
then by the time Sid came back, I guess they

2142
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:35,199
rekindled the friendship. Never really heard that there was a

2143
01:52:35,279 --> 01:52:39,680
falling out between those two, interestingly enough, but it's telling

2144
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,239
that with Sid missing as he's due to make an

2145
01:52:42,279 --> 01:52:45,520
appearance on the flagship television show, that Bruno is the

2146
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:47,319
only person in the building who knows about this heart

2147
01:52:47,359 --> 01:52:52,560
attack or this field or suspected heart attack. And over

2148
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:55,560
in WCW is oh, no, that had already happened. I

2149
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:56,840
was going to make a smartness comment.

2150
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, it was going to be.

2151
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:04,600
Speaker 3: Ninety seven, Starkad Nash and Giant, Right, yes so yeah

2152
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:08,880
so over in and Atlanta, Kevin Nash takes careful notes

2153
01:53:10,039 --> 01:53:13,920
about what to say when he's penciled into job to

2154
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:18,239
the Giant at Star Kid. So there go Sid, not

2155
01:53:18,359 --> 01:53:20,840
only once again, but kind of for the last time.

2156
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is. I mean he comes back with

2157
01:53:24,079 --> 01:53:28,079
like little one off things after w W gets sold,

2158
01:53:28,119 --> 01:53:28,560
but that's.

2159
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:32,159
Speaker 3: It really only once. Yeah, and Doc Hendricks promote SummerSlam

2160
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:34,439
to the New York audience. According to this piece of

2161
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:37,600
reporting on the syndicated shows that reach New York, and

2162
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:40,720
they're listing a series of matches for Summer Slam ninety seven,

2163
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:46,560
including Vader versus Sid, Wow, Brett hartbers Undertaker, which Shawn

2164
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:48,640
Michael's a special ref one, the Owen Hart versus Steve

2165
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:51,479
Boston neck break match. All that I was supposed to

2166
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:52,760
feature Sid versus Vader.

2167
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,640
Speaker 4: How about that? That that's fascinating. No one have been interesting.

2168
01:53:56,359 --> 01:53:58,640
Speaker 3: There's also something I want to put here, but I

2169
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:02,079
want to have couch it, and I do it in

2170
01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:04,439
the spirit of hoping somebody can primary source this one

2171
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:07,319
for us. There's long been a thing about how Sid

2172
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:12,319
had a squirrel, a pet squirrel, and that he would

2173
01:54:12,319 --> 01:54:16,600
take it with him on the road, and that one

2174
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:19,640
day the other wrestlers dared him to keep the squirrel

2175
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:22,199
down his pants for a minute, bet him he couldn't

2176
01:54:22,199 --> 01:54:24,880
do it, and that he accepted, And after about thirty

2177
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:27,479
seconds he got bit in the dick and he fell

2178
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:30,880
on the floor in agony, crushing the squirrel in the process,

2179
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:31,239
and had to.

2180
01:54:31,199 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 4: Get Raby's shop. Oh my god.

2181
01:54:33,479 --> 01:54:35,000
Speaker 3: So you can see if that actually happened, how no

2182
01:54:35,079 --> 01:54:36,000
one would ever forget it.

2183
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:37,039
Speaker 12: Now.

2184
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:39,439
Speaker 3: SID has been asked about this point blank in interviews

2185
01:54:39,479 --> 01:54:41,640
and just has no clue what people are talking about

2186
01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:44,439
in a way that I don't think strange credulity like

2187
01:54:44,479 --> 01:54:48,640
the usual. I have no idea SID answer. Yeah, So

2188
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:50,720
there really wasn't a lot more to go on than

2189
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:53,199
this persistent rumor. And I'm trying to figure out and

2190
01:54:53,239 --> 01:54:55,279
people have emailed us about it, knowing that we're doing

2191
01:54:55,279 --> 01:54:57,359
a SID tribute, wanting us to talk about and I

2192
01:54:57,560 --> 01:55:00,520
just can't find out where this comes from from. That

2193
01:55:01,399 --> 01:55:03,640
there used to be this long form thread called like

2194
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,439
the sleeze or something. It was like a huge document

2195
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:08,439
full of all these like one line or things that

2196
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:11,520
people whisper about the other wrestlers, okay, and the sick

2197
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:13,960
things they've done or or might do or will do.

2198
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:18,079
And this may have been from that anonymously sourced famous

2199
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:20,720
forum post with all these things, this may have been

2200
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:22,880
something someone said about Sid as far as I could tell.

2201
01:55:23,159 --> 01:55:25,159
But if anybody knows kind of who the first person

2202
01:55:25,359 --> 01:55:28,119
was to suggest or tell the story that Sid had this,

2203
01:55:28,199 --> 01:55:31,079
squirrel love to run that down but could not do so.

2204
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:33,520
But I have the feeling that it comes from this

2205
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,399
rough time period in the WWF as far as when

2206
01:55:36,439 --> 01:55:39,000
it happened. So I'm putting it here. And the call

2207
01:55:39,079 --> 01:55:40,640
is out of the Solar system, you know, the email

2208
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:43,600
address the Lapsed fantasyemail dot com. If you can assist

2209
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:46,239
us as you are, I feel confident that the Solar

2210
01:55:46,279 --> 01:55:47,760
system doesn't find that it doesn't exist.

2211
01:55:48,359 --> 01:55:48,760
Speaker 4: Agreed.

2212
01:55:49,239 --> 01:55:51,039
Speaker 3: So see if you can find anybody saying, oh, yeah,

2213
01:55:51,079 --> 01:55:53,119
this is a eyewitnessed SID do this with my own

2214
01:55:53,159 --> 01:55:55,760
two eyes, that would be extremely helpful. It's hard to

2215
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:57,960
know because just about anyone who was in the company

2216
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,880
at that time and has done shoot interviews could theoretically

2217
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,960
have seen this and said this. So we can't just

2218
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:07,119
as well, look at everybody's interview that's ever been done.

2219
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:09,760
That was there, but would be great to have a

2220
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:12,439
shortcut for people that might remember hearing it from somebody's

2221
01:56:12,479 --> 01:56:16,279
lips for the first time. So we're moving along here

2222
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:21,079
in Sid's career by herker, by Krook, whether he likes

2223
01:56:21,119 --> 01:56:24,199
it or not. And as nineteen ninety seven becomes nineteen

2224
01:56:24,279 --> 01:56:27,720
ninety eight, this is actually right around the time he

2225
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:29,960
sat down for the first RF video shoot interview, which

2226
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:32,560
we have excerpted from generously. It was one of the

2227
01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:35,079
rare times where they did a shooting interview before a

2228
01:56:35,079 --> 01:56:37,159
guy had firmly faded from the spotlight and was still

2229
01:56:37,239 --> 01:56:39,479
kind of an active aid free agent in the marketplace,

2230
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:42,359
still looking to return to WWF if he could, And

2231
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:44,000
he sat with him and talked about all this shit,

2232
01:56:44,039 --> 01:56:47,159
which was an interesting choice. Think about Sid shooting on

2233
01:56:47,319 --> 01:56:50,439
WWF in March of nineteen ninety eight. That's wild, that's

2234
01:56:50,479 --> 01:56:53,119
a risk, but he's doing it. And so they asked

2235
01:56:53,159 --> 01:56:55,520
him what his status is with with the WWEF contract

2236
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:57,800
and he says, legally, I do have a release, and

2237
01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,680
then legally I don't have a release, and that's a

2238
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:02,960
Sid answers you're going to get, he said. What we're

2239
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:04,319
trying to do is just get the final details of

2240
01:57:04,359 --> 01:57:06,239
the merchandising worked out. How many months or how many

2241
01:57:06,319 --> 01:57:08,439
years they're going to owe me for what's usually a

2242
01:57:08,479 --> 01:57:11,039
general timeframe is two years of what they pay you

2243
01:57:11,119 --> 01:57:13,039
after you leave. So that's what we're trying to get

2244
01:57:13,079 --> 01:57:15,039
them to say. So basically, it appears that as of

2245
01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:16,720
March of nineteen ninety eight, you know, es wrestle Mania

2246
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:20,279
fourteen's getting ready to go, Sid is negotiating how much

2247
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:23,640
pay he's going to get for merchandising in exchange for

2248
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:26,920
leaving the company. Sid also said in this interview that

2249
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:29,439
they won't return my lawyer's calls and he's been calling,

2250
01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:31,239
and you know, only just the thing was I told

2251
01:57:31,319 --> 01:57:33,439
them I'm in no hurry because of my neck. But

2252
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:36,000
now I'm in a little bit of a hurry. But

2253
01:57:36,079 --> 01:57:38,119
as far as legally, I can go work anywhere I want.

2254
01:57:38,199 --> 01:57:40,600
So basically he's it sounds like he's saying that, yeah,

2255
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:43,640
my contract is expired or my contract you know, is

2256
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,199
null and void at this point, but I'm looking to

2257
01:57:46,279 --> 01:57:49,199
get more money out of them on a merchandising deal point.

2258
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:51,039
And so if they're going to give me that money,

2259
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:54,000
I'm gonna have to negotiate giving them something in return.

2260
01:57:55,119 --> 01:57:57,520
So in that respect, if they give there, I'm still

2261
01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:59,319
kind of in contractual limbo and not able to go

2262
01:57:59,319 --> 01:58:02,079
wherever I want. So only Sid can have a can

2263
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:04,119
be in a contractual position at any given point in

2264
01:58:04,199 --> 01:58:08,640
time where his contract is and is not pending and valid.

2265
01:58:10,039 --> 01:58:12,920
But of course, now where did Sid go in nineteen

2266
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:15,279
ninety eight? We certainly don't know, do we.

2267
01:58:16,199 --> 01:58:17,439
Speaker 4: Oh? I don't think so, do we?

2268
01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:20,359
Speaker 3: It' certainly as the attitude ever explode, Sid's not on

2269
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:21,600
nitro and he's not on raw.

2270
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:22,319
Speaker 4: Where is the man?

2271
01:58:23,479 --> 01:58:27,000
Speaker 3: Well, he goes back home. Of course, Sid goes back

2272
01:58:27,079 --> 01:58:30,800
to Memphis and what's left of that old territory that

2273
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:34,119
launched the lord humongous character, that old territory where he

2274
01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:35,840
got into the ring with Jerry Lawler in the Mid

2275
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:38,760
South Coliseum before he knew what a turn buckle was,

2276
01:58:39,439 --> 01:58:41,520
before he knew what anything was in the wrestling business,

2277
01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:44,680
but had the size to get that early endorsement and

2278
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:46,880
you know, share the ring with Nick Backwinkle the first

2279
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:49,479
time he ever had a match. For instance, he goes

2280
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:51,119
back to Memphis and at the time, it had been

2281
01:58:51,439 --> 01:58:54,960
transitioned into a promotion called Memphis Power Pro Wrestling or

2282
01:58:55,079 --> 01:58:57,319
MPPW under Randy Hales, who would go on to be

2283
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:01,359
heavily associated with promoting at wrestling in that great city

2284
01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:04,720
for for years after Jerry Lawler and Jerry Jarrett kind

2285
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:08,640
of set down the reins for that territory. So Memphis

2286
01:59:08,680 --> 01:59:11,279
Power Pro still run and they're still doing WMC Channel

2287
01:59:11,279 --> 01:59:14,000
five Studio wrestling. I don't think they're running the Mid

2288
01:59:14,039 --> 01:59:16,159
South Coliseum anymore, but they are doing a live event

2289
01:59:16,199 --> 01:59:18,680
business as well. This is kind of boss the successor

2290
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:24,079
to the us w A. Okay, Yeah, which we know

2291
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:27,359
kind of bubbled up after the Memphis territory as we

2292
01:59:27,479 --> 01:59:29,680
knew it fractured as Lawler went to w w F

2293
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:31,399
and it just became kind of like this feeder system thing.

2294
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 4: Was that also part of wasn't that wasn't it was

2295
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:39,239
a w A.

2296
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:42,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was wasn't a world class part of that too,

2297
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:47,600
part of the us w A sort of, Yeah, it

2298
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:49,439
kind of becomes the us w A. This is after

2299
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:55,119
Jerry Jarrett buys out Fritz's interest in Dallas. They were

2300
01:59:55,199 --> 01:59:58,399
called c w c w A and then yeah, basically

2301
01:59:58,479 --> 02:00:02,199
the combined organizationrunning out of the Sportatorium was was called

2302
02:00:02,319 --> 02:00:05,760
USWA for a time, and then Global moved in to

2303
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:08,520
the sport He drove Price reigned and Rod Price reigned.

2304
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:15,399
That's correct, due to inflation, no doubt. And so Memphis

2305
02:00:15,479 --> 02:00:18,039
Pro is not only you know, running under new auspices,

2306
02:00:18,079 --> 02:00:21,840
it's also kind of at the catbird seat for a

2307
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:25,039
developmental territory deal. And this would be the promotion that

2308
02:00:25,119 --> 02:00:26,640
Kurt Angle, for instance, would get a lot of his

2309
02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:29,760
reps in before coming over to the main ww roster

2310
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,319
in November of nineteen ninety nine, and they would run

2311
02:00:32,359 --> 02:00:35,479
a lot of their prospects through the Memphis Power Pro organization.

2312
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,199
I don't think that he's exactly taken hold yet when

2313
02:00:38,239 --> 02:00:40,880
Sid went over there, but we remember, you know, Sid

2314
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:44,880
went to Memphis after the second WCW run before they

2315
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:46,640
brought him back in ninety five to be Psycho Sid

2316
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:49,319
to the WWF. Oh yeah, so I'm sure he's seeing

2317
02:00:49,319 --> 02:00:50,800
this not only as a bit of ho homecoming, but

2318
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:53,840
also a way to stay on their radar and prove

2319
02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:56,600
that despite all the bullshit, he's actually employable. And this

2320
02:00:56,680 --> 02:00:58,159
is how he looks on television and This is how

2321
02:00:58,199 --> 02:01:01,359
he's carrying himself and he's not too hurt, not too hobbled,

2322
02:01:01,399 --> 02:01:04,199
et cetera, and still trying. This is just a wild

2323
02:01:04,319 --> 02:01:07,319
and weird time for Sid starting in February ninety eight

2324
02:01:07,359 --> 02:01:10,119
where he starts showing up on shows and Mississippi, teaming

2325
02:01:10,119 --> 02:01:12,479
with Jerry Lawler against the likes of Reggie b Fine

2326
02:01:12,479 --> 02:01:15,000
and Johnny Rotten. Johnny Rotten was Sid's buddy that he'd

2327
02:01:15,279 --> 02:01:16,600
take everywhere and get bookings.

2328
02:01:18,359 --> 02:01:20,479
Speaker 4: So love not everyone's got like their little buddy that

2329
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:20,880
they help.

2330
02:01:21,319 --> 02:01:24,520
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. It's so yeah, it's like part of

2331
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:29,279
the playbook to to survive in the business. So they're

2332
02:01:29,279 --> 02:01:32,920
working in these Mississippi shows. Tracy Smothers is around the

2333
02:01:33,039 --> 02:01:36,199
territory at the time as well, Bill Dundee and some others.

2334
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:39,239
There's the third annual Eddie Gilbert Memorial Brawl that takes

2335
02:01:39,239 --> 02:01:41,319
place for twenty eighth, nineteen ninety eight at the Radison

2336
02:01:41,359 --> 02:01:44,319
Hotel in Philadelphia. As you know, we start to see,

2337
02:01:46,319 --> 02:01:48,039
you know, the Philly area indies start to pick up

2338
02:01:48,039 --> 02:01:50,880
again with ec W being hot. Sid goes over there

2339
02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:53,600
and beats King Kong Bundy at the Radison in Philly,

2340
02:01:54,399 --> 02:01:56,720
that's something to consider Sid versus King Kung Bundy in

2341
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:57,600
nineteen ninety eight.

2342
02:01:57,640 --> 02:02:01,199
Speaker 4: Boss, I guess it is something to consider it. No,

2343
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:03,560
I feel about that conclusions draw.

2344
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:06,000
Speaker 3: But then he goes back to Memphis Power Pro and

2345
02:02:06,079 --> 02:02:09,840
March teaming with Lawler again, wrestling Johnny Rotten and wrestling

2346
02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:12,680
King Kong Bundy on a New England Wrestling show in Thomaston,

2347
02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:14,880
Connecticut on March twenty eighth, nineteen ninety eight. So when

2348
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:17,039
we're getting ready to go to the Fleet Center for

2349
02:02:17,079 --> 02:02:22,560
wrestling at fourteen the week before Sid's wrestling Bundy in Connecticut.

2350
02:02:22,439 --> 02:02:23,680
Speaker 4: Of course makes sense.

2351
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:26,920
Speaker 3: I just can't. I can't incorporate Sid being on this

2352
02:02:27,159 --> 02:02:30,159
track to my mindset at that time in ninety eight.

2353
02:02:30,279 --> 02:02:32,600
I know, I never even thought about SidD. You did

2354
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:33,399
you wonder where he went?

2355
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:33,680
Speaker 12: No?

2356
02:02:34,119 --> 02:02:34,359
Speaker 4: Nope.

2357
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:37,000
Speaker 3: As Austin descended and everything and it's all that happened,

2358
02:02:37,039 --> 02:02:38,479
I never thought about Sid in ninety eight.

2359
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:40,960
Speaker 4: I was kind of you know, I was so into

2360
02:02:41,239 --> 02:02:43,880
Austin at that point that I didn't really care.

2361
02:02:44,279 --> 02:02:47,279
Speaker 3: It's amazing, considering how big of a deal he was

2362
02:02:48,279 --> 02:02:49,960
and how resident of a star he was supposed to be,

2363
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:51,960
that we didn't think about where he was. That's that

2364
02:02:52,039 --> 02:02:55,159
says something. He works in Middletown, New Jersey, on April

2365
02:02:55,199 --> 02:02:57,760
fourth of nineteen ninety eight, defeating Tom Brandy, the former

2366
02:02:57,800 --> 02:03:02,159
Salvator sincere, he works a Legends Pro Wrestling show in Sheffield, Alabama,

2367
02:03:02,439 --> 02:03:04,840
on April eighteenth, nineteen ninety eight, against Mike Samples. He's

2368
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:09,199
back in New Jersey wrestling maybel on April twenty Yeah,

2369
02:03:09,319 --> 02:03:12,359
Mountain Holly, New Jersey. That's a show you want to see.

2370
02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:14,640
Then he goes to Wall Township, New Jersey and wrestles

2371
02:03:14,680 --> 02:03:18,960
Mabel again. And then he goes to Garfield, New Jersey

2372
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:21,000
and loses to someone named Rick Ratchett. Don't even ask

2373
02:03:21,039 --> 02:03:22,479
me to start there. I have no idea who Rick

2374
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:25,399
Ratchett is. He does a Jersey All Pro Wrestling show

2375
02:03:25,439 --> 02:03:28,560
in Bayone, New Jersey, on September twenty fifth, nineteen ninety eight,

2376
02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:30,920
defeating a wrestler by the name of Patch and come

2377
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:32,760
fall time, as the leaves change, he's headed back to

2378
02:03:32,840 --> 02:03:35,039
Memphis and he's working. Yes, sir, I take that back

2379
02:03:35,159 --> 02:03:38,640
the Mid South Coliseum wrestling likes of Bo Alexander and

2380
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:41,319
Bulldog Rains and Rex King and Tom Pritchard he face,

2381
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:43,800
he faced a bow. The boy he faced to bow,

2382
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:49,279
not bowjus justice as far as we know. But in fact,

2383
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:55,600
Bo Alexander April pardon me, October third, nineteen ninety eight,

2384
02:03:55,640 --> 02:03:58,560
he's in a battle royal in Memphis. And as far

2385
02:03:58,600 --> 02:04:01,159
as I can tell, the final shot of this Memphis

2386
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:03,439
sojourn for Sid in nineteen ninety eight was on October

2387
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:05,960
third of nineteen ninety eight, as Hawk from the Road

2388
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:09,079
Warriors teams with Bart Gunn to beat Jerry Lawler and

2389
02:04:09,159 --> 02:04:11,760
Sid Vicious in a tag team explosion, a main event

2390
02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:12,640
anywhere in the country.

2391
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:17,680
Speaker 4: Boss, that is true, it was anywhere in the country.

2392
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,800
Speaker 3: There's precious little on tape that I could find easily

2393
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:24,560
of Sid during this run. It sounds like he's mostly

2394
02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:27,840
working arena shows. I'm sure he's at the TV tapings,

2395
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:31,239
but he's not having matches necessarily that are reflected in

2396
02:04:31,319 --> 02:04:34,039
his you know, record, So it's hard to pin down

2397
02:04:34,079 --> 02:04:35,960
what shows he was at and just didn't wrestle on.

2398
02:04:36,439 --> 02:04:38,239
But as far as I can tell, and I'd love

2399
02:04:38,279 --> 02:04:39,960
to hear from somebody that you know, was local to

2400
02:04:40,039 --> 02:04:42,039
Memphis at the time or somehow was tape trading for

2401
02:04:42,119 --> 02:04:45,439
that area and remembers this whole angle. But Sid finds

2402
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:48,479
himself the lead spokesperson for a stable of wrestlers in

2403
02:04:48,560 --> 02:04:51,840
Memphis Power Pro called the POB. Now do not ask

2404
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:54,439
me what POB stands for, but whatever it stands for,

2405
02:04:54,720 --> 02:04:56,800
they've got the you know, twenty five people that are

2406
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:00,600
at the WMCTV studios for the television show Chanting Pob POB.

2407
02:05:01,159 --> 02:05:02,880
Whenever these guys are out there and they look to

2408
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:06,439
me boss, like in Aces and eights, Oh god, Sid

2409
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:08,840
is basically the head of a biker gang stable, and

2410
02:05:09,239 --> 02:05:12,560
it's hard to deal with. It's hard that Sid just

2411
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:14,760
isn't enough that he's got to have a new gimmick

2412
02:05:15,159 --> 02:05:17,199
in nineteen ninety eight. It's kind of humiliating if you

2413
02:05:17,239 --> 02:05:20,079
ask me. But Sid, you know, he was one that

2414
02:05:20,199 --> 02:05:24,600
could kind of get carried away, letting his creative juices flow.

2415
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:27,680
He was somebody that if you really handed him the reins,

2416
02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:29,199
just you could have him on board, let him do

2417
02:05:29,239 --> 02:05:31,079
what he wanted. He would come up with some really

2418
02:05:31,159 --> 02:05:34,359
goofy shit that really deluded what it was that people

2419
02:05:34,439 --> 02:05:37,600
wanted to see from Sid all these years and being

2420
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:40,359
the spokesperson and the lead heel for this POB stable

2421
02:05:40,479 --> 02:05:43,279
we get and this is saying something for Sid some

2422
02:05:43,439 --> 02:05:47,640
of the more incomprehensible promo work of this man's life.

2423
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:50,880
Here's just a little sample from one edition of Memphis

2424
02:05:50,920 --> 02:05:53,600
Power pro Television. At the time Sid about to take

2425
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:57,079
the microphone as the head of this stable.

2426
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:01,680
Speaker 10: All right, asked Jane, we need to get some help

2427
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:02,520
for Darry King.

2428
02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:21,000
Speaker 19: And here last Russell said, viciousious.

2429
02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:27,640
Speaker 8: You are I'm gonna say, you say so, now is it?

2430
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:28,760
Speaker 16: You?

2431
02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:34,720
Speaker 8: People have a lot of heart that whatever he's watch yesterday,

2432
02:06:35,319 --> 02:06:36,119
don't discuss me.

2433
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:39,079
Speaker 4: But what I'm gonna do today, what I'm going to

2434
02:06:39,119 --> 02:06:41,279
do to day. Some people were gonna say you.

2435
02:06:41,319 --> 02:06:44,640
Speaker 2: Went over the line, said you went over the line.

2436
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:47,000
Speaker 8: That some people will say, no, say didn't go far enough.

2437
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:50,520
Because what I'm talking about what step we got that

2438
02:06:50,640 --> 02:06:51,119
we'll be.

2439
02:06:51,239 --> 02:06:51,960
Speaker 16: Going down line?

2440
02:06:53,399 --> 02:07:02,079
Speaker 8: What what we're gonna have to do is here the

2441
02:07:03,039 --> 02:07:06,720
last week someone so he supposed he's not opposed the

2442
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:10,600
Rady Hills ideas, gave this young man a call and

2443
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:13,479
brought him down here and did probably what they don't

2444
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:15,119
even realize in their own minds.

2445
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:18,359
Speaker 4: They made the biggest mistake of the art. They dete

2446
02:07:18,439 --> 02:07:24,640
traded the pride. They dec trated the crime, they.

2447
02:07:24,680 --> 02:07:31,000
Speaker 8: Burnt the charge and everything we stepped for. And I

2448
02:07:31,119 --> 02:07:33,520
want everyone one more time to realize. I don't want

2449
02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:35,399
you to judge before what I'm going to do today,

2450
02:07:35,800 --> 02:07:37,680
because what I want to do today is something I

2451
02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:41,800
don't even like doing myself. But sometimes when people step

2452
02:07:42,039 --> 02:07:43,800
that line, they go too far.

2453
02:07:44,640 --> 02:07:49,039
Speaker 4: Two things. You have to teach them a lessons.

2454
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:52,640
Speaker 8: And sometimes you have to make example the people. Then

2455
02:07:52,720 --> 02:07:55,119
make a quick example. There's a young lady out here

2456
02:07:55,359 --> 02:07:56,319
we call angel.

2457
02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:57,520
Speaker 16: They see the faith.

2458
02:07:57,600 --> 02:07:59,760
Speaker 8: You'll Palladians shit that couple of days you had a

2459
02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:03,199
call she gonna stick in her mouth, But she's here today.

2460
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:06,079
Speaker 4: What are they talking about exactly?

2461
02:08:06,319 --> 02:08:08,840
Speaker 8: I want to cart the shot of the pop girls.

2462
02:08:09,319 --> 02:08:11,119
I want to carry me to get a guy with.

2463
02:08:11,279 --> 02:08:12,279
Speaker 2: The pop goals.

2464
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:16,880
Speaker 3: A pob girl got in a car accident in his

2465
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:17,439
front row.

2466
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:20,760
Speaker 4: Happy over what happened last week? Here Dave Brown, Yeah,

2467
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:21,680
get him back on the rail.

2468
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:24,399
Speaker 8: For a long time, I have gone over the line sometimes,

2469
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:26,439
but for the most part, I've.

2470
02:08:26,319 --> 02:08:27,439
Speaker 4: Been a considerate man.

2471
02:08:28,039 --> 02:08:31,720
Speaker 8: I've been honest. But when I see my friends, my families,

2472
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:33,920
what happened the last week? If you want to took

2473
02:08:33,960 --> 02:08:38,199
my hotel. My hotel right now that day?

2474
02:08:38,279 --> 02:08:41,439
Speaker 4: What just get him? You think you're like an animal soday?

2475
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:44,199
Speaker 8: Today, I ain't going to be the judge and jury

2476
02:08:44,840 --> 02:08:46,960
of the four men that were part of it is

2477
02:08:47,079 --> 02:08:47,680
supposed to be.

2478
02:08:47,680 --> 02:08:48,680
Speaker 4: In the Goblet match.

2479
02:08:49,319 --> 02:08:52,000
Speaker 8: And when we get through judgings, we also going to

2480
02:08:52,359 --> 02:08:53,039
chance him.

2481
02:08:52,920 --> 02:08:55,039
Speaker 4: Here at their guns getting the Academy award, is it?

2482
02:08:55,600 --> 02:09:01,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you s'b vicious, still.

2483
02:09:01,279 --> 02:09:04,439
Speaker 5: Knowing I will play.

2484
02:09:10,039 --> 02:09:25,880
Speaker 1: It's the laps Fall Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

2485
02:09:26,039 --> 02:09:29,479
knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.

2486
02:09:44,199 --> 02:09:48,079
He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnassio

2487
02:09:48,479 --> 02:09:49,560
and JP Sorrow.

2488
02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:53,520
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I don't even know what to say.

2489
02:09:54,279 --> 02:09:59,079
Speaker 3: That said left to his own devices, Okay, just screaming

2490
02:09:59,279 --> 02:10:03,960
and trying to pack sixteen different disparate things into one statement. Yeah,

2491
02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:08,640
I mean it was just missing a Vienna Sausages thing.

2492
02:10:09,239 --> 02:10:11,520
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, he should have. I'm surprised he didn't,

2493
02:10:12,439 --> 02:10:15,000
you know, say, hey, going to Saint Mary's.

2494
02:10:15,039 --> 02:10:18,279
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's right in the same city exactly,

2495
02:10:18,720 --> 02:10:21,359
very approximate, very convenient. But yeah, I don't know. He's

2496
02:10:21,680 --> 02:10:24,159
he's he's vowing revenge on somebody who had beaten down

2497
02:10:24,199 --> 02:10:25,960
one of the Pob brothers the week before.

2498
02:10:26,039 --> 02:10:26,680
Speaker 11: I don't know who.

2499
02:10:27,279 --> 02:10:29,119
Speaker 3: There's a woman in the front row who supports the

2500
02:10:29,159 --> 02:10:31,119
stable who got in a car accident and had some

2501
02:10:31,279 --> 02:10:34,239
stitches in his mouth, and he does the the gregarious

2502
02:10:34,319 --> 02:10:38,760
thing of calling her out and letting us all know

2503
02:10:38,880 --> 02:10:42,840
that she's here in support. She's just screaming, and it's

2504
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:47,199
just like, I don't know, he doesn't seem employable to me.

2505
02:10:47,319 --> 02:10:49,920
Hit this point, it just seems like, oh God, we're

2506
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:51,000
gonna sign up for this, Like.

2507
02:10:51,399 --> 02:10:55,359
Speaker 4: He just seems it's just it's like it's the same

2508
02:10:55,399 --> 02:10:57,159
old shit, but it's just getting.

2509
02:10:56,920 --> 02:11:00,840
Speaker 3: Worse, getting worse. It's getting worse. And uh, you know,

2510
02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:03,880
you realize how much of a finishing touch they had

2511
02:11:03,880 --> 02:11:05,600
to put on at WWF to make it look like

2512
02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:07,520
he was a good promo, you know, because he's not.

2513
02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:08,840
Speaker 5: He's not.

2514
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:12,560
Speaker 3: And hear someone say he is, I'm just flabbergasted. I mean,

2515
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:15,880
whatever he is, it's by complete happenstance, like he just

2516
02:11:15,960 --> 02:11:18,479
happens to be in a position where his off the

2517
02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:20,840
cuff rantings and ravings are right a right fit for

2518
02:11:20,880 --> 02:11:22,800
the moment, which they only are one times out of ten.

2519
02:11:24,359 --> 02:11:26,199
And this isn't This is what you get when you

2520
02:11:26,359 --> 02:11:28,439
just put him in charge of cutting a you know,

2521
02:11:28,520 --> 02:11:32,199
a traditional buy the books studio wrestling promo, you know,

2522
02:11:32,279 --> 02:11:34,840
talking about what's happened, vowing revenge for what happened or whatever,

2523
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:36,880
and pointing to the next to the next thing it's

2524
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:38,520
gonna happen. And he is just all over the place,

2525
02:11:38,920 --> 02:11:41,239
and you can hear Dave Brown just but just trying

2526
02:11:41,239 --> 02:11:43,039
to prompt him to talk about how it happened last

2527
02:11:43,079 --> 02:11:44,600
week again, and they run out of time and he's

2528
02:11:44,600 --> 02:11:48,119
still talking over the music. And look, I mean, you

2529
02:11:48,199 --> 02:11:50,159
can't be a great wrestling promo if you don't know

2530
02:11:50,199 --> 02:11:52,960
how to do that studio promo correctly agreed, and I

2531
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:55,239
know it, just you cannot qualify as good or great

2532
02:11:55,399 --> 02:11:59,520
even And there he is, after all these years in

2533
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:02,359
the business, at the highest levels, with the biggest production

2534
02:12:02,439 --> 02:12:05,279
budgets and the most direction and guidance. That's what he

2535
02:12:05,359 --> 02:12:08,960
does when taking off the leash. So take from that

2536
02:12:09,359 --> 02:12:11,239
perhaps what you will. But it's back home to Memphis

2537
02:12:11,319 --> 02:12:13,880
for this homebody, and he meets a fellow homebody like

2538
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:17,920
Jerry Lawler, doesn't he down there, boss, Yes, I'd imagine so,

2539
02:12:18,239 --> 02:12:22,279
softball buddy and Yeah, Luller, in a shoot interview of

2540
02:12:22,319 --> 02:12:25,800
his own, talks about Sid and kind of why he

2541
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:28,239
may have been welcomed back to the area time and

2542
02:12:28,279 --> 02:12:29,159
again with open arms.

2543
02:12:31,960 --> 02:12:33,640
Speaker 20: Sid was a lot like me in the fact that Sid,

2544
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:36,560
I don't like to travel. Sid likes to be at home,

2545
02:12:37,239 --> 02:12:39,800
and Sid likes to play softball just like I do.

2546
02:12:40,439 --> 02:12:44,000
Speaker 21: And I can honestly tell you that if given the

2547
02:12:44,159 --> 02:12:49,600
choice of wrestling on the main event in Madisle Square

2548
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:53,720
Garden or playing a softball game, wrestling in front of

2549
02:12:53,720 --> 02:12:57,399
eighteen thousand people, playing a softball game in front of nothing,

2550
02:12:57,479 --> 02:13:02,199
but with twenty of your ends, if you had the

2551
02:13:02,279 --> 02:13:04,920
choice between the two, probably Sid and I would both choose.

2552
02:13:04,720 --> 02:13:09,399
Speaker 20: The softball game. And and a lot of people, you know,

2553
02:13:10,399 --> 02:13:11,720
think you're crazier or.

2554
02:13:13,359 --> 02:13:16,399
Speaker 21: Get a bad impression of you from that, But I

2555
02:13:16,479 --> 02:13:19,359
think it's just you know, a difference in priorities, and

2556
02:13:19,399 --> 02:13:21,279
a lot of people, a lot of people give Sid

2557
02:13:21,359 --> 02:13:25,319
the the you know, the label of being difficult to

2558
02:13:25,359 --> 02:13:28,079
work with simply because of things like that, not maybe

2559
02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:29,439
not showing up for something so.

2560
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:32,119
Speaker 20: Because he thought something else was more important or or

2561
02:13:34,239 --> 02:13:37,319
that sort of thing. But you know, Sid was at

2562
02:13:37,399 --> 02:13:39,800
least not for me, never difficult to work within the ring.

2563
02:13:40,239 --> 02:13:42,720
I thought we you know, had a lot of good matches.

2564
02:13:44,479 --> 02:13:44,960
Speaker 4: So there it is.

2565
02:13:45,399 --> 02:13:47,960
Speaker 3: How do they have all in Memphis?

2566
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:51,000
Speaker 4: I mean it's a weird matchup to me.

2567
02:13:51,239 --> 02:13:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of weird now that you say that.

2568
02:13:52,720 --> 02:13:56,680
They never really clashed on the WWF stage. M do

2569
02:13:56,680 --> 02:13:59,880
you think, like in ninety six or something quick, Jerry Lawler,

2570
02:14:00,359 --> 02:14:01,960
they've made sense for a guy like Sid, you know,

2571
02:14:02,039 --> 02:14:03,600
beat the shit out of him power bombing a couple

2572
02:14:03,600 --> 02:14:03,920
of times.

2573
02:14:04,399 --> 02:14:06,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I do like the Jerry Lawler admits he'd

2574
02:14:06,279 --> 02:14:07,359
rather be home than anything else.

2575
02:14:07,479 --> 02:14:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know, that's got to be what's

2576
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:11,119
going through their mind when he can't make the Kuwaiti

2577
02:14:11,199 --> 02:14:13,319
tour after wrestling A thirteen. He doesn't want to travel

2578
02:14:14,039 --> 02:14:16,079
and all this other stuff is because he doesn't want

2579
02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:18,319
to travel basically, right, And he thinks he can use

2580
02:14:18,319 --> 02:14:19,960
an injury to get out of traveling. Well, you're going

2581
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:21,800
to go, and he went and hated it, and I'm

2582
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:23,800
sure he couldn't bring his fucking gimmicks with him, so

2583
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:27,279
he was extra cranky and in the rest is history,

2584
02:14:27,680 --> 02:14:31,319
but interesting perspective there from a Jerry Lawler who feels,

2585
02:14:31,560 --> 02:14:34,000
for some reason post that Tug of Memphis, he just

2586
02:14:34,079 --> 02:14:37,279
has to go home in Memphis. Sometimes I just can't

2587
02:14:37,319 --> 02:14:40,279
imagine what waits for him go home. I can't imagine

2588
02:14:40,279 --> 02:14:44,039
what forbidden fruit he's waiting to pluck, I know, to

2589
02:14:44,159 --> 02:14:48,359
free from its roots, oh boy and branches. But yeah,

2590
02:14:48,359 --> 02:14:49,960
they're going back to play some softball.

2591
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:50,399
Speaker 11: And that's that.

2592
02:14:50,680 --> 02:14:54,760
Speaker 3: So Sid is at least back where he, in his

2593
02:14:54,840 --> 02:14:57,239
own mind belongs here in nineteen ninety eight, way out

2594
02:14:57,279 --> 02:14:59,560
of the national spotlight. And again an afterthought, I think,

2595
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:02,119
I think, you know, it's hard to say that he

2596
02:15:02,239 --> 02:15:04,479
was a huge superstar when no one cares where he is.

2597
02:15:04,560 --> 02:15:07,640
Throughout the entirety of nineteen ninety eight, all the wrestling

2598
02:15:07,680 --> 02:15:11,520
business reaches unforeseen heights. As soon as he leaves.

2599
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:13,319
Speaker 11: The WWF starts catching.

2600
02:15:13,119 --> 02:15:15,520
Speaker 3: Fire as soon as he leaves, of course, of course,

2601
02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:18,239
I mean as soon as he's definitely gone, they absolutely

2602
02:15:18,319 --> 02:15:22,479
take off. It's remarkable to see. If you made a chart,

2603
02:15:22,840 --> 02:15:25,239
a barograph or something, you'd be stunned at the correlation,

2604
02:15:25,399 --> 02:15:29,640
the inverse correlation between business picking up and Sid disappearing

2605
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:34,680
or Sid showing up in business plateauing and struggling, but

2606
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:36,560
he fell off the face of the earth as mentioned

2607
02:15:36,640 --> 02:15:40,199
until all of a sudden, Boss nineteen ninety eight becomes

2608
02:15:40,359 --> 02:15:44,720
nineteen ninety nine and this happens. I want to ask

2609
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:47,279
you to load up this video, but please don't hit

2610
02:15:47,359 --> 02:15:51,279
play until I'm ready on my side, because we're about

2611
02:15:51,319 --> 02:16:01,680
to enter a new, truncated but interesting chapter for Sid. Okay,

2612
02:16:05,600 --> 02:16:09,199
have we ever seen Sid in the land of his

2613
02:16:09,600 --> 02:16:10,199
an extreme?

2614
02:16:10,840 --> 02:16:13,520
Speaker 4: No, we've never seen him with his extremities.

2615
02:16:21,680 --> 02:16:23,800
Speaker 3: Tests and tell the people what you see, Bonny sometime here.

2616
02:16:24,199 --> 02:16:26,319
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm well, I'm what I'm seeing is some

2617
02:16:26,560 --> 02:16:30,119
goofball who I don't even know who is that with.

2618
02:16:30,279 --> 02:16:33,440
There's a guy with you know, kind of a shaved

2619
02:16:33,440 --> 02:16:36,680
head with scraggly hair over his face and a goatee

2620
02:16:36,879 --> 02:16:39,520
and a black onesie. That's what I see.

2621
02:16:40,840 --> 02:16:45,159
Speaker 3: Are you calling Judge Jeff Jones's robe a onesie? No,

2622
02:16:45,440 --> 02:16:46,200
he's not a robe.

2623
02:16:47,680 --> 02:16:51,479
Speaker 4: Oh, this is John Cronis. Sorry, that's pretty funny. He's

2624
02:16:51,520 --> 02:16:52,239
wearing a onesie.

2625
02:16:52,399 --> 02:16:55,120
Speaker 3: This is John Cronis, formerly the Eliminators with Perry Saturn.

2626
02:16:55,239 --> 02:17:00,239
You recall, oh, don't du whatever you say, there we go.

2627
02:17:00,360 --> 02:17:03,319
Let's hit play in three two one, play.

2628
02:17:03,440 --> 02:17:06,399
Speaker 22: Sweet and Living on Pennsylvania.

2629
02:17:07,399 --> 02:17:10,360
Speaker 19: You took me and lay me slat.

2630
02:17:10,120 --> 02:17:10,799
Speaker 5: In the center.

2631
02:17:11,159 --> 02:17:12,399
Speaker 4: That's Judge Jeff Joseph and.

2632
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:15,120
Speaker 2: With your four fifty.

2633
02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:18,840
Speaker 3: This is ECW Guilty is Charged, the first ECW pay

2634
02:17:18,840 --> 02:17:19,840
per view of nineteen ninety.

2635
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:25,639
Speaker 8: Yo, Cronus, I am the judge and I am the jury,

2636
02:17:27,399 --> 02:17:31,600
and for that crime, I'm as Sault Cronus. I find

2637
02:17:31,719 --> 02:17:36,200
you guilty as jorm.

2638
02:17:36,680 --> 02:17:38,520
Speaker 4: From liliar Cronus. It was a salt and pepper.

2639
02:17:38,920 --> 02:17:39,079
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2640
02:17:39,079 --> 02:17:42,000
Speaker 4: I could say, okay, now.

2641
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:47,079
Speaker 22: That I've sentenced you, you will face my executioner. And

2642
02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:51,120
you could say he's a little bit psycho and he's

2643
02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:53,680
gonna deal him by plain justice.

2644
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:58,120
Speaker 4: And a vicious matter for us psycho and vicious manner justice.

2645
02:17:58,399 --> 02:18:06,040
Crazy psycho said vicious Jessice, what's wrong with him?

2646
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:07,879
Speaker 16: Right?

2647
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:11,479
Speaker 4: Question? Every time the man, Oh, go all right for

2648
02:18:11,559 --> 02:18:11,840
the pot?

2649
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:20,360
Speaker 2: Wow said he's here? Did he see de yah looking?

2650
02:18:20,479 --> 02:18:21,959
Speaker 4: He he's just fucking screaming.

2651
02:18:28,360 --> 02:18:29,760
Speaker 12: M hm h.

2652
02:18:35,600 --> 02:18:38,280
Speaker 2: Na wear wrestling be jeans.

2653
02:18:41,680 --> 02:18:58,799
Speaker 23: Brothers throws a right hand naked too, whoa, Oh my god.

2654
02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:01,239
Speaker 4: We just talked to him by the throat over the

2655
02:19:01,319 --> 02:19:01,760
top of the.

2656
02:19:01,760 --> 02:19:02,559
Speaker 3: Floor of thro her table.

2657
02:19:02,680 --> 02:19:06,079
Speaker 23: He's a former d w dbe you chippy and he's

2658
02:19:06,120 --> 02:19:06,799
a monster.

2659
02:19:07,360 --> 02:19:13,959
Speaker 2: They ripped through Wu s W the psycho.

2660
02:19:23,959 --> 02:19:32,639
Speaker 3: Oh great chair shots, Oh god, like I would not

2661
02:19:32,879 --> 02:19:34,159
want a Jesus.

2662
02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:41,840
Speaker 2: She is trying to destroy Jock Troce. No, Jeff Jones

2663
02:19:41,879 --> 02:19:43,680
couldn't call himself anything he wants.

2664
02:19:47,399 --> 02:19:47,879
Speaker 4: They want it.

2665
02:19:49,399 --> 02:19:51,520
Speaker 3: They want the power bom bomb.

2666
02:19:53,879 --> 02:19:55,719
Speaker 2: The fans want to see a power bob.

2667
02:20:03,360 --> 02:20:16,000
Speaker 4: It's a good one. Good night, I go away.

2668
02:20:37,239 --> 02:20:39,079
Speaker 2: Somebody better get a squeeze.

2669
02:20:40,200 --> 02:20:41,440
Speaker 3: Squeeze kucker.

2670
02:20:47,959 --> 02:20:51,079
Speaker 23: I've got a sickly feeling that Jeff Jones, judge or not.

2671
02:20:51,280 --> 02:20:52,399
Speaker 2: Can't control sick.

2672
02:20:54,760 --> 02:20:55,799
Speaker 4: Well, it's fair.

2673
02:21:03,440 --> 02:21:07,799
Speaker 2: The monster, the maniac SID is in E c W.

2674
02:21:17,479 --> 02:21:18,200
Speaker 3: Well, there you have it.

2675
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:19,559
Speaker 4: That's wild.

2676
02:21:19,639 --> 02:21:21,040
Speaker 3: Sid is in the land of the extreme. You've never

2677
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:23,719
seen that, No, I've never seen that before. Thoughts on

2678
02:21:23,799 --> 02:21:25,639
SID and a gene vest in jeans, and.

2679
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:29,959
Speaker 4: You know, it kind of works. Actually, it's it's funny,

2680
02:21:30,040 --> 02:21:32,719
you know, with the the genes and stuff. He actually

2681
02:21:32,799 --> 02:21:35,639
kind of looks bigger. Yeah, you know, he looks more

2682
02:21:35,879 --> 02:21:39,479
uh more, I don't know, threatening, and.

2683
02:21:39,520 --> 02:21:41,680
Speaker 3: It kind of looks like he's here for like extra curriculars.

2684
02:21:41,719 --> 02:21:44,399
He's not here at a world title, you know, he's

2685
02:21:44,440 --> 02:21:44,959
not in gear.

2686
02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:48,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose that is true as well.

2687
02:21:48,879 --> 02:21:50,760
Speaker 3: I was in like a hired gun and power bombs

2688
02:21:50,799 --> 02:21:52,799
the shit out a job like he's like an assassin

2689
02:21:52,879 --> 02:21:55,920
of sorts, right, which is great positioning for him, because

2690
02:21:55,920 --> 02:21:58,680
you can't just as well get into the fucking snake

2691
02:21:58,719 --> 02:22:00,920
pit with this guy actually have them feed with one

2692
02:22:00,959 --> 02:22:04,079
of your wrestlers. Although to hear Sid talk about it,

2693
02:22:04,559 --> 02:22:07,559
entreaties were made and he came in with the expectation

2694
02:22:07,639 --> 02:22:10,600
that ec Dot and Trees, yeah and Trace with a

2695
02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:12,959
pig big money offer. You know, we talked about not

2696
02:22:13,079 --> 02:22:15,040
too long ago the kind of money that Mike Ausain

2697
02:22:15,120 --> 02:22:18,239
was able to sign for before winning the CW Championship

2698
02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:21,280
and getting a hand of that, our hands on that

2699
02:22:21,399 --> 02:22:25,600
contract ahead of talking about him in WCW, and it

2700
02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:28,479
was it was pretty wild, the kind of you know,

2701
02:22:28,760 --> 02:22:30,840
six figure deals that Paul Hayman was willing to ink

2702
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:33,200
at this time without a whole hell of a lot

2703
02:22:33,239 --> 02:22:35,959
to show for it from a revenue standpoint, although you know,

2704
02:22:36,159 --> 02:22:38,440
in nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine, early ninety nine at

2705
02:22:38,520 --> 02:22:40,719
least there was reason for optimism that as they settled

2706
02:22:40,719 --> 02:22:42,280
in on pay per view and really hit their stride

2707
02:22:42,319 --> 02:22:44,440
and cleared in more systems, that significant revenue was going

2708
02:22:44,479 --> 02:22:46,479
to start coming in from these shows and that it

2709
02:22:46,520 --> 02:22:48,239
would lead to more ticket sales and merchandise, and they

2710
02:22:48,239 --> 02:22:50,639
were getting licensing and things like that. So but come on,

2711
02:22:51,280 --> 02:22:53,799
there are reasons to think that problem start affording these contracts.

2712
02:22:53,840 --> 02:22:55,920
But the contract at the level that SID is expecting

2713
02:22:56,040 --> 02:22:59,399
is just asking for trouble. And so it's probably just

2714
02:22:59,479 --> 02:23:01,360
as well that he just positioned as this killer that

2715
02:23:01,440 --> 02:23:03,079
came in and took people out and not somebody that

2716
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:05,079
was actually a pushed singles wrestler. Though we did have

2717
02:23:05,479 --> 02:23:07,920
a handful of formal matches, it wasn't all just run

2718
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:09,760
in some and power bombs like that. But that was

2719
02:23:09,879 --> 02:23:12,120
night one for SID there at Guilty is charged. And

2720
02:23:12,239 --> 02:23:14,319
you know, it makes some sense because Paul Hayman was

2721
02:23:14,399 --> 02:23:17,440
known to SID back from the Continental days of course

2722
02:23:17,799 --> 02:23:20,200
Territory where he first linked up with Bruno Lauer Downtown,

2723
02:23:20,200 --> 02:23:23,559
Bruno's manager as Lord Humongus. Paul Hayman was also there

2724
02:23:23,559 --> 02:23:25,600
at the time, cutting his teeth as a manager, and

2725
02:23:25,719 --> 02:23:27,840
of course followed Eddie Gilbert who was the booker in

2726
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:31,879
Continental to WCW where he became poly dangerously and following

2727
02:23:32,079 --> 02:23:34,479
shortly behind was in fact Sid, who, as we've talked

2728
02:23:34,520 --> 02:23:37,079
about earlier in our Sid tribute, really had the door

2729
02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:39,760
open to him to World Championship Wrestling by virtue of

2730
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:42,440
Eddie Gilbert coming and working on the booking commute such

2731
02:23:42,440 --> 02:23:45,479
as it was. So it makes some sense that, you know,

2732
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:48,520
Hayman would have Sid's ear in a way that maybe

2733
02:23:48,600 --> 02:23:51,120
other indie promoters at the time in nineteen ninety eight

2734
02:23:51,159 --> 02:23:53,559
and nineteen ninety nine wouldn't It also accounts for why

2735
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:55,399
he was able to bring in Dusty Rhodes a year later,

2736
02:23:55,440 --> 02:23:57,840
as we talked about recently where we looked at his

2737
02:23:57,920 --> 02:24:01,360
feud and match with Steve Carino, and so Sid is

2738
02:24:01,399 --> 02:24:03,280
an ECW, and I just remember it being such a

2739
02:24:03,360 --> 02:24:06,040
mind fuck because I don't know, you kind of put

2740
02:24:06,079 --> 02:24:08,680
ECW in a certain category of you know, they're gonna

2741
02:24:08,719 --> 02:24:12,719
make do with this ragtag group of guys that for

2742
02:24:12,840 --> 02:24:15,559
the most part got over under their roof, right, and

2743
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:17,600
so you told yourself are doing it kind of at

2744
02:24:17,639 --> 02:24:19,879
a cut rate to try to ride this revolution as

2745
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:22,280
far as it's going to go, and these aren't This

2746
02:24:22,319 --> 02:24:25,200
isn't necessarily the most transactional locker room. With WWF and

2747
02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:27,959
WCW breathing down their next trying to sign guys, it

2748
02:24:28,040 --> 02:24:29,719
seemed like as they hit their own stride on pay

2749
02:24:29,719 --> 02:24:31,639
per view that now MAYBECW could afford to keep some

2750
02:24:31,719 --> 02:24:34,920
guys around, but not necessarily afford somebody like Sid, and

2751
02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:37,120
that was one of the prevailing things. I remember when

2752
02:24:37,120 --> 02:24:39,319
Sid came into ECW, it was just like, whoa like,

2753
02:24:40,159 --> 02:24:42,200
did they have a lot more money than I realized?

2754
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:43,520
Speaker 12: What is this?

2755
02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:46,079
Speaker 3: I mean, I know the particulars at all at the

2756
02:24:46,120 --> 02:24:48,840
time of how much Sid was making, but didn't take

2757
02:24:48,879 --> 02:24:50,239
a lot to deduce that he was one of the

2758
02:24:50,280 --> 02:24:53,799
better paid wrestlers in the business at the time. So

2759
02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:55,239
to see him come out in ECW as.

2760
02:24:55,159 --> 02:24:57,200
Speaker 4: Really it's kind of insane, like it, I mean, it's

2761
02:24:57,840 --> 02:25:01,520
it is a trip. And it's also you know, he's

2762
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:04,000
just too much, you know when you when you look

2763
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:11,520
at ECW, it's it's not you know, he's so much

2764
02:25:11,639 --> 02:25:16,399
part of the of like the machine, yes, you know,

2765
02:25:16,680 --> 02:25:20,879
and he's not. Really these are for people the ECW.

2766
02:25:21,040 --> 02:25:23,319
To me, it has always been people who who aren't

2767
02:25:23,319 --> 02:25:25,840
part of the machines who are trying to get themselves over.

2768
02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:28,959
Speaker 3: Exactly, and that's right. This is guys who, for whatever

2769
02:25:29,079 --> 02:25:31,719
reason wouldn't necessarily get an opportunity in the big two companies,

2770
02:25:32,159 --> 02:25:34,159
and for that reason, ECW is the place that they're

2771
02:25:34,200 --> 02:25:36,600
really going to go all out because that's their only

2772
02:25:36,680 --> 02:25:38,440
chance to really shine at a higher level. And for

2773
02:25:38,479 --> 02:25:40,680
a lot of guys, that was the case here with Sid.

2774
02:25:40,799 --> 02:25:43,520
You're absolutely right. It was one of those proof points

2775
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:46,000
that happened all the time in ECW where these fans

2776
02:25:46,079 --> 02:25:49,600
were so vehemently anti WWF, anti WCW, anti the Big two.

2777
02:25:50,159 --> 02:25:54,200
But the second any of those guys graced the ECW

2778
02:25:54,319 --> 02:25:57,120
a reno with their presence, these these fans just fell

2779
02:25:57,440 --> 02:25:59,639
in love with anybody that had been on television in

2780
02:25:59,680 --> 02:26:02,920
the week. I'm not anybody, but anybody that had been

2781
02:26:02,959 --> 02:26:06,280
a superstar. It instantly wasn't like, what the fuck is

2782
02:26:06,319 --> 02:26:08,440
he doing here? It instantly became, oh my god, he's

2783
02:26:08,680 --> 02:26:10,159
you know, he's deemed us worthy.

2784
02:26:10,559 --> 02:26:10,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2785
02:26:11,239 --> 02:26:13,000
Speaker 3: What was was the prevailing feeling and the way they

2786
02:26:13,040 --> 02:26:15,040
popped for Sid and the way the way they want

2787
02:26:15,040 --> 02:26:17,559
to Sid see Sid do all of his routine stuff,

2788
02:26:18,040 --> 02:26:19,520
and they want to see the chokes limb. They want

2789
02:26:19,520 --> 02:26:22,040
to see the power bomb. It just shocked me, honestly.

2790
02:26:22,079 --> 02:26:24,680
I didn't think they would reject the guy. Yeah, but

2791
02:26:24,799 --> 02:26:27,079
to rejoice that much that Sid was there. It surprised

2792
02:26:27,079 --> 02:26:28,639
me in a similar way when Rick Rude came in

2793
02:26:28,680 --> 02:26:31,000
It Barely Legal, and Jake Roberts showed up, and Jerry

2794
02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:33,639
Lawler showed up and Dusty Rhodes showed up. We talked

2795
02:26:33,680 --> 02:26:36,840
about how surprising it was that Dusty was so wholeheartedly

2796
02:26:36,920 --> 02:26:38,719
embraced in the land of extreme. You know, they tried

2797
02:26:38,760 --> 02:26:40,879
to play the whole on the original hardcore whatever the fuck.

2798
02:26:40,959 --> 02:26:42,600
But you know, the fact of the matter is he

2799
02:26:42,719 --> 02:26:45,920
was running WCW at the time when ECW was at

2800
02:26:45,920 --> 02:26:47,239
its most anti establishment.

2801
02:26:47,600 --> 02:26:47,879
Speaker 4: Wow.

2802
02:26:48,159 --> 02:26:50,399
Speaker 3: He was a guy that kind of embodied the anti

2803
02:26:51,040 --> 02:26:53,440
break your neck for the business and ring work rate

2804
02:26:54,319 --> 02:26:56,840
approach that so many guys in ECW were respected by

2805
02:26:56,879 --> 02:26:59,159
the fans for, and Sid too. Sid's not a guy

2806
02:26:59,159 --> 02:27:01,840
that's going to go out there and kill himself for

2807
02:27:01,959 --> 02:27:04,360
great match, No, no, absolutely not. He worked harder than

2808
02:27:04,399 --> 02:27:07,239
I think his reputation proceeded, but still not a good

2809
02:27:07,280 --> 02:27:09,360
fit for the style de jure and ECW. But the

2810
02:27:09,399 --> 02:27:12,600
people just didn't fucking care. They kind of did the

2811
02:27:12,639 --> 02:27:14,520
similar thing with nine one one, where he choke slammed

2812
02:27:14,520 --> 02:27:17,680
everyone from you know, out of their fucking boots for

2813
02:27:17,760 --> 02:27:19,120
weeks and weeks and months and months and months.

2814
02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:19,680
Speaker 4: People love that.

2815
02:27:19,879 --> 02:27:22,120
Speaker 3: That guy couldn't do anything. You didn't know anything about wrestling.

2816
02:27:22,200 --> 02:27:23,200
He just choke slammed people.

2817
02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:26,520
Speaker 4: So I don't know anything about him, indeed, rest in peace.

2818
02:27:27,239 --> 02:27:29,360
Speaker 3: But they had, you know, they had that kind of

2819
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:31,840
archetype in ECW somebody that could fit in as just

2820
02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:34,920
this crazy monster that would just come in and crush

2821
02:27:34,959 --> 02:27:37,600
people for spectacle. And I'm sure it was going somewhere,

2822
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:40,079
but where Sid thought it was going, a fucking two

2823
02:27:40,159 --> 02:27:42,079
hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year contract was not

2824
02:27:42,319 --> 02:27:45,239
ever probably going to be the case. But in terms

2825
02:27:45,280 --> 02:27:48,760
of the pre existing relationship between U, Sid and Paully

2826
02:27:49,479 --> 02:27:52,280
interesting insight into it. Sid once did an interview with

2827
02:27:52,360 --> 02:27:54,600
the In Your Head podcast series where he talked a

2828
02:27:54,639 --> 02:27:57,360
little bit about Polly, and he talks about him here

2829
02:27:57,520 --> 02:28:00,319
in answering a question about Dave Marquez, who was a

2830
02:28:00,360 --> 02:28:02,440
long time independent wrestling promoter on the West Coast who

2831
02:28:02,520 --> 02:28:04,399
was booking people at the time of this interview and

2832
02:28:04,479 --> 02:28:07,120
who you know Sid had an opinion about because he'd

2833
02:28:07,399 --> 02:28:09,799
been in dialogue with him about potentially making an appearance.

2834
02:28:09,959 --> 02:28:12,319
And the only reason that's relevant is because Sid decides

2835
02:28:12,399 --> 02:28:16,000
to contrast in one very particular way Dave Marquez with

2836
02:28:16,079 --> 02:28:17,680
the Paul Hayman he knew from ECW.

2837
02:28:18,799 --> 02:28:21,040
Speaker 5: Uh you mentioned Dave Marquez And I don't know if

2838
02:28:21,040 --> 02:28:24,000
this ever got to you or not, but somebody who

2839
02:28:24,079 --> 02:28:26,000
knows Dave Marcus told me that he came up with

2840
02:28:26,120 --> 02:28:28,680
an idea for you where you'd be like you were

2841
02:28:28,760 --> 02:28:31,159
frozen or something and then you get you like thought

2842
02:28:31,239 --> 02:28:34,479
out for your return. No, it was very big, are.

2843
02:28:36,600 --> 02:28:36,639
Speaker 12: No?

2844
02:28:37,799 --> 02:28:39,520
Speaker 17: No, I will think first, I don't think, you know,

2845
02:28:40,200 --> 02:28:42,399
those guys are really nice guys, and I think the

2846
02:28:42,639 --> 02:28:46,840
group of guys that tried really really hard, but the

2847
02:28:47,399 --> 02:28:51,120
Nume have a a lot of uh sense of the business.

2848
02:28:51,159 --> 02:28:59,760
I think you Dave of Spanish American version of Paul Lee. Yeah,

2849
02:29:01,120 --> 02:29:03,680
I swear, but he's a little cleaner, a little more

2850
02:29:04,200 --> 02:29:12,079
educated than Paulo. But enough said, I said, But you

2851
02:29:12,120 --> 02:29:15,000
know that's that's sort of the deal. There's like, man,

2852
02:29:15,079 --> 02:29:17,120
you don't know this guy's taking your shirt when you leave,

2853
02:29:17,159 --> 02:29:19,760
when you leave your room, you know, it looks for

2854
02:29:19,840 --> 02:29:26,520
your wallet. Then this guy talks too smooth. Man, I

2855
02:29:26,600 --> 02:29:29,239
feel like I've been gone to president and rape. That's

2856
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:35,479
a conversation with you guy, Paul you know, just you know,

2857
02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:38,600
it's just was nasty little dude, never showered and stuff,

2858
02:29:38,639 --> 02:29:48,639
you know, so charm and that he really started not

2859
02:29:48,760 --> 02:29:51,360
taking showers there at the end, and that's where he

2860
02:29:51,399 --> 02:29:53,040
gives you that dirty version of him, you know. So

2861
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:55,280
I think that's why it gives Daymark Quz to say

2862
02:29:55,360 --> 02:30:00,399
the upper swing on him. Say, you know what, talking face,

2863
02:30:00,840 --> 02:30:06,000
we call those things hygiene hygiene. Yeah, the hygiene level

2864
02:30:06,120 --> 02:30:08,000
daymarkies is like a day ahead of Paul.

2865
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:11,399
Speaker 5: Does he compliment the man anyway?

2866
02:30:12,120 --> 02:30:13,000
Speaker 17: No, of course I did.

2867
02:30:16,559 --> 02:30:18,120
Speaker 4: What the fuck he's saying?

2868
02:30:18,200 --> 02:30:21,200
Speaker 3: Dave Marquez is like Polly, except he's cleaner than Paully.

2869
02:30:21,319 --> 02:30:27,879
And Paulie stopped taking showers towards the end. Okay, smelled okay,

2870
02:30:27,879 --> 02:30:30,479
And he says that, uh sure, he smells like fucking roses,

2871
02:30:30,559 --> 02:30:33,000
a hygiene thing. He couldn't think of the word for hygiene.

2872
02:30:34,719 --> 02:30:40,440
So yeah, definitely an interesting dynamic between Sid and Paulie.

2873
02:30:40,479 --> 02:30:43,000
As he looks back on it. Yeah, but here's how

2874
02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:44,840
it happened, here's how it came together to get him

2875
02:30:44,879 --> 02:30:45,319
to come into E.

2876
02:30:45,479 --> 02:30:45,840
Speaker 12: C W.

2877
02:30:46,239 --> 02:30:48,360
Speaker 3: And Uh, as you can imagine, and as I can

2878
02:30:48,399 --> 02:30:51,799
assure you, it's all very sid So.

2879
02:30:52,120 --> 02:30:55,479
Speaker 24: I got a call from Paul and he was, you know, said,

2880
02:30:55,479 --> 02:30:58,520
hey like to bring in sort of a you know,

2881
02:30:59,079 --> 02:31:00,719
unadvertised in the beginning.

2882
02:31:01,479 --> 02:31:01,600
Speaker 12: Uh.

2883
02:31:02,200 --> 02:31:05,559
Speaker 24: I know, for what I think I know of the business,

2884
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:08,000
I think he was really doing a great job a

2885
02:31:08,079 --> 02:31:12,399
way he was using me. It was pretty much like said,

2886
02:31:12,559 --> 02:31:17,360
usually unannounced, unadvertised. I'd show up, you know, power bottle

2887
02:31:17,399 --> 02:31:20,159
a bunch of guys, especially at their TV tapings, and

2888
02:31:20,239 --> 02:31:24,520
then then they then they were doing some advertising for

2889
02:31:24,680 --> 02:31:24,840
some of.

2890
02:31:24,840 --> 02:31:26,959
Speaker 14: The house shows. But this was was the problem.

2891
02:31:27,559 --> 02:31:30,600
Speaker 24: We had a deal worked out where say, you know,

2892
02:31:30,680 --> 02:31:32,680
one hundred dollars a week, I can't remember what it was,

2893
02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:36,200
and if I worked over two days or whatever like

2894
02:31:36,319 --> 02:31:39,760
that was become extra money. Sure, well, I told him

2895
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:41,840
I was willing to work as many days as possible,

2896
02:31:42,079 --> 02:31:43,879
and then he would call me and say, hey, what

2897
02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:46,920
about this weekend. Well, this weekend, Morty booked me and

2898
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:51,600
he'd already advertised me for some of those towns. But

2899
02:31:51,799 --> 02:31:54,079
I can't remember now, but outside of New York of it,

2900
02:31:54,719 --> 02:31:58,200
and then people started wrapped giving me a wrap of

2901
02:31:58,360 --> 02:32:01,120
doing the Nose Show, which I oh my god, I

2902
02:32:01,159 --> 02:32:02,879
did know I was advertised because I know when I

2903
02:32:02,920 --> 02:32:05,680
was advertised, I would have made the show because we

2904
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:07,440
were also trying to work to do. If he could

2905
02:32:07,440 --> 02:32:10,520
have paid me, to say, up to two hundred and

2906
02:32:10,520 --> 02:32:12,360
fifty thousand dollars a year, then I was going to.

2907
02:32:12,360 --> 02:32:13,280
Speaker 14: Be a permanent figure.

2908
02:32:13,520 --> 02:32:16,200
Speaker 24: Okay, you know, so that you know he was trying

2909
02:32:16,239 --> 02:32:18,159
to talk me into that, which I was trying to

2910
02:32:18,200 --> 02:32:19,879
talk us about it, you know, because I was always

2911
02:32:19,920 --> 02:32:21,360
I was looking to go to one of two big

2912
02:32:21,440 --> 02:32:22,280
companies at the time.

2913
02:32:23,079 --> 02:32:24,760
Speaker 3: That's crazy that they were really trying to make a

2914
02:32:24,799 --> 02:32:27,479
play for Sid like that. Yeah, I don't really believe it,

2915
02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:28,879
But what do you know, boss, I mean, what what

2916
02:32:28,959 --> 02:32:31,879
a circumstance where Sid finds himself in a place that

2917
02:32:32,319 --> 02:32:35,200
someone's advertising him for a show that he knows he

2918
02:32:35,280 --> 02:32:37,079
can't make, and the promoter knows he can't make, and

2919
02:32:37,159 --> 02:32:38,479
he gets this reputation as a no.

2920
02:32:38,600 --> 02:32:41,959
Speaker 4: Show Sid get out of here.

2921
02:32:42,040 --> 02:32:44,680
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, It's just amazing how a guy

2922
02:32:44,799 --> 02:32:47,959
who did no show things also was such a victim

2923
02:32:48,000 --> 02:32:52,159
of circumstance in that when he didn't show up, promoters

2924
02:32:52,239 --> 02:32:53,200
just took advantage of that.

2925
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:54,959
Speaker 4: And just we're able to come on.

2926
02:32:55,159 --> 02:32:57,959
Speaker 3: Hey fave the people into thinking, based on his past reputation,

2927
02:32:58,040 --> 02:33:00,479
that yeah, this is something he would do. But according

2928
02:33:00,520 --> 02:33:02,399
to Sid Paul was advertising him for shows he was

2929
02:33:02,479 --> 02:33:04,280
never even on. And again all they did was ask

2930
02:33:04,360 --> 02:33:06,760
him how the CID how the ECW thing came together,

2931
02:33:07,079 --> 02:33:10,600
And pretty soon he's meandering into this whole excuse series

2932
02:33:10,680 --> 02:33:14,680
about oh, of course for everything, and he's going to

2933
02:33:15,120 --> 02:33:17,120
it's going to find its way into the conversation even

2934
02:33:17,120 --> 02:33:20,639
if he's not asked directly, because that's his his pre

2935
02:33:20,639 --> 02:33:23,200
eminent memory about every little chapter of his career is

2936
02:33:23,719 --> 02:33:26,319
you know, a moment where he did, arguably at least

2937
02:33:26,360 --> 02:33:29,399
to me, uh, pulled a power play and uh and

2938
02:33:29,479 --> 02:33:30,680
it had hurt him in the eyes of the fans

2939
02:33:30,760 --> 02:33:32,639
or something or the consumer. And he's going to make

2940
02:33:32,719 --> 02:33:34,479
up for that here in the interview and explain that

2941
02:33:34,520 --> 02:33:37,360
he was he wasn't told about the shows he was

2942
02:33:37,399 --> 02:33:41,000
advertised on. And as Bruce Richard said, you got Vince's number,

2943
02:33:41,000 --> 02:33:42,959
and I'm sure he had Paully's number as well, but

2944
02:33:43,159 --> 02:33:45,879
here we go, here goes the the fun and games

2945
02:33:46,079 --> 02:33:48,680
in the land of extreme when you're inessed with Sid.

2946
02:33:49,200 --> 02:33:51,040
He did go on to say that ECW was the

2947
02:33:51,079 --> 02:33:53,040
second most fun he had had in the business. Now

2948
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:55,920
this is a shoot interviews he's doing shortly after the run,

2949
02:33:56,239 --> 02:33:58,159
where it probably made a little more sense to stay

2950
02:33:58,200 --> 02:34:00,520
in the good graces of Polly than any else. But

2951
02:34:01,040 --> 02:34:02,600
talked about guys being really nice to him in the

2952
02:34:02,639 --> 02:34:05,520
ECW locker room, calling out Saboo and Rob Van Dam

2953
02:34:05,639 --> 02:34:09,440
in particular and RVD what's pretty complimentary reflecting on Sid

2954
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:12,520
after his passing on his podcast and such. So he's

2955
02:34:12,559 --> 02:34:15,120
doing an indie show and then he does a Queen's

2956
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:17,959
ECW taping and or at least he shows up, I

2957
02:34:18,000 --> 02:34:21,799
should say, at a Queen's ECW taping because he's owed money.

2958
02:34:23,280 --> 02:34:24,920
He's owed money and he's not happy that.

2959
02:34:25,239 --> 02:34:28,639
Speaker 4: Paul you know, come on exactly then nothing. You know,

2960
02:34:29,120 --> 02:34:31,559
if he's owed money, he's going to cause a stink.

2961
02:34:31,879 --> 02:34:33,600
Speaker 3: And that Paulie is telling people he's going to be

2962
02:34:33,639 --> 02:34:36,000
at a show that he isn't going to be at,

2963
02:34:36,159 --> 02:34:37,639
which you know, is just something that always ends up

2964
02:34:37,639 --> 02:34:41,479
happening to the guy, and he gets his reputation as

2965
02:34:41,479 --> 02:34:43,200
a no show. So he shows up with a Tommy

2966
02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:45,719
Rodgers who's a longtime veteran of the business and also

2967
02:34:45,840 --> 02:34:47,719
was with ECW at the time and apparently had made

2968
02:34:48,200 --> 02:34:50,559
an alliance with SID because he also had concerns about

2969
02:34:50,600 --> 02:34:53,120
money and ECW was so many others would go on

2970
02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:55,319
to have and you know, Sid, I just want to

2971
02:34:55,360 --> 02:34:58,479
be clear, boss, when he shows up unannounced or uninvited

2972
02:34:58,760 --> 02:35:01,879
to this Queen's ECW after this bit of curflow, he

2973
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:05,120
is definitely not crying to strong arm Paul Hayman.

2974
02:35:05,239 --> 02:35:08,120
Speaker 24: Okay, well, I showed up and Paul is freaking you know,

2975
02:35:08,239 --> 02:35:10,840
because I was with Tommy Rodgers's the time. Rogers was

2976
02:35:10,920 --> 02:35:14,440
owed some money as well. Of course Tommy forced him

2977
02:35:14,440 --> 02:35:16,239
to give him cash. I said, Paul, you send me

2978
02:35:16,319 --> 02:35:18,600
another check. You know, I know, you know you're You've

2979
02:35:18,639 --> 02:35:20,799
been good to me. I'm not here to worry about

2980
02:35:20,840 --> 02:35:23,399
my money. I'm just here dropping and saying what's going on?

2981
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:25,719
Why haven't you called me? You know, things like why

2982
02:35:25,760 --> 02:35:28,319
are you I'm getting the wrap of not doing those

2983
02:35:28,319 --> 02:35:29,920
shows and you haven't told me that I was booked

2984
02:35:29,959 --> 02:35:31,959
on any of these shows. And he was so paranoid.

2985
02:35:31,959 --> 02:35:33,959
He wouldn't let me, you know, anybody see me through

2986
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:37,000
the curtain and stuff like that. I think it sort

2987
02:35:37,040 --> 02:35:38,840
of got blown out of portion and I came there

2988
02:35:38,879 --> 02:35:42,079
to strong arm some people, which I didn't. You know,

2989
02:35:42,440 --> 02:35:45,120
I came with Tommy Rogers, who's you know, a little

2990
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:48,479
bitty guy said, and uh, never even took any money,

2991
02:35:48,520 --> 02:35:50,200
you know, he sent me my money and the check

2992
02:35:50,360 --> 02:35:50,600
was good.

2993
02:35:51,600 --> 02:35:54,280
Speaker 3: Definitely not a strong arm thing. No, no, no, it's

2994
02:35:54,280 --> 02:35:55,600
going to make the record clear there.

2995
02:35:56,959 --> 02:35:57,680
Speaker 4: The weak arm thing.

2996
02:35:57,719 --> 02:36:00,479
Speaker 3: Actually, it's pretty funny to think about Paul French trying

2997
02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:02,040
to make sure that the fans don't see him so

2998
02:36:02,079 --> 02:36:06,239
they expect Sid to come out later and be disappointed.

2999
02:36:10,799 --> 02:36:13,559
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know, if you're concerned that the

3000
02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:16,000
fans might be disappointed, maybe he's not the right guy

3001
02:36:16,079 --> 02:36:16,520
for the job.

3002
02:36:16,719 --> 02:36:17,719
Speaker 11: Yeah, I know, I know.

3003
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:20,680
Speaker 3: If you find yourself having to actively hide someone who

3004
02:36:20,799 --> 02:36:22,639
is one of the bigger stars in the industry from

3005
02:36:22,680 --> 02:36:25,280
your fan base, maybe there's a problem here. Maybe yeah,

3006
02:36:25,680 --> 02:36:30,159
maybe something isn't correctly calibrated in the first place. But yeah,

3007
02:36:30,200 --> 02:36:32,079
you're not going to tell people Sid's going to be somewhere,

3008
02:36:32,159 --> 02:36:34,600
not tell him about the show and then foist the

3009
02:36:34,639 --> 02:36:36,760
heat on him, which is what he said happened. But

3010
02:36:36,879 --> 02:36:38,760
he got his check in the mail. He got his

3011
02:36:38,879 --> 02:36:40,840
check in the mail. He didn't demand cash on site,

3012
02:36:40,879 --> 02:36:42,520
so this was hardly a strong arm thing. He just

3013
02:36:42,600 --> 02:36:44,280
showed up without being invited. I don't know what the

3014
02:36:44,280 --> 02:36:48,079
big deal is, So we fast forward. He never does

3015
02:36:48,159 --> 02:36:51,440
that Living Dangerously nineteen ninety nine, which is ECW second

3016
02:36:51,440 --> 02:36:52,280
pay per view of the year.

3017
02:36:52,399 --> 02:36:54,319
Speaker 4: It seems like that's what Sid is doing all the time.

3018
02:36:54,479 --> 02:36:58,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, And the Dudleys are in the ring, and

3019
02:36:58,680 --> 02:37:02,159
it's going to really be an interesting flashpoint I think

3020
02:37:02,360 --> 02:37:05,000
for SID and the culture clash of the CW locker room.

3021
02:37:05,000 --> 02:37:07,879
Of course, whenever you involve Bubba Dudley and anything, it's

3022
02:37:07,920 --> 02:37:12,680
going to be a fucking, you know, fiasco. And and

3023
02:37:12,840 --> 02:37:16,520
here I'm trying to decode some of what Sid saying

3024
02:37:16,559 --> 02:37:19,200
in an R video shoot interview about THECW run. He's

3025
02:37:19,239 --> 02:37:22,840
trying to make reference to something involving a table. Apparently

3026
02:37:22,920 --> 02:37:24,879
some moment that was going to be climactic where somebody

3027
02:37:24,920 --> 02:37:27,280
puts him through a table finally, and this apparently was

3028
02:37:27,319 --> 02:37:29,399
a big fucking negotiation or something. It wasn't just a

3029
02:37:29,440 --> 02:37:31,920
spot called one Night, and Sid wants you to know,

3030
02:37:32,360 --> 02:37:34,559
despite what you may have heard, he volunteers this. Of course,

3031
02:37:34,639 --> 02:37:36,760
no one asked him about it, that he was totally

3032
02:37:36,799 --> 02:37:42,479
willing to do the table thing if they didn't try

3033
02:37:42,520 --> 02:37:48,680
to sneak it in. The problem was, the problem was

3034
02:37:48,959 --> 02:37:49,520
mult listening.

3035
02:37:49,559 --> 02:37:56,799
Speaker 24: Problem was those guys all were uh, Bubba Dudley and

3036
02:37:59,000 --> 02:38:01,639
super nice guy, a little bit of a prima donna.

3037
02:38:03,079 --> 02:38:05,239
But I don't know if it was you know, maybe

3038
02:38:05,280 --> 02:38:06,879
he was jealous of me coming in. I don't know,

3039
02:38:07,040 --> 02:38:10,639
maybe that's just his personality. I've got personality. People take

3040
02:38:10,680 --> 02:38:12,959
the wrong way too, because I'm quiet to myself a lot,

3041
02:38:13,120 --> 02:38:14,479
you know, and try to get to know people. But

3042
02:38:15,079 --> 02:38:16,840
they are a lot of fun to work with Saboo.

3043
02:38:17,159 --> 02:38:20,079
That made it a lot of fun too. And uh,

3044
02:38:20,440 --> 02:38:22,879
you know, this is what is bad about the business.

3045
02:38:24,159 --> 02:38:26,200
I didn't realize that till at the end, that they

3046
02:38:26,239 --> 02:38:28,680
were setting me up for a table deal for a Saboo.

3047
02:38:29,040 --> 02:38:30,239
Speaker 14: All they had to do is asking me.

3048
02:38:30,719 --> 02:38:31,600
Speaker 20: I don't mind.

3049
02:38:31,959 --> 02:38:35,479
Speaker 24: And if anybody really looks back and sees the things

3050
02:38:35,520 --> 02:38:40,079
I've done, I have honestly volunteered to do more jobs

3051
02:38:40,200 --> 02:38:42,799
than most people have done like beause, especially if I

3052
02:38:42,920 --> 02:38:45,200
was a main event and they came with a d

3053
02:38:45,399 --> 02:38:48,440
Q or a double count out, I said, no, I'm

3054
02:38:48,440 --> 02:38:50,520
putting the guy over, you know, especially as a hill.

3055
02:38:50,920 --> 02:38:53,399
You know, I said, this is not this is not

3056
02:38:53,479 --> 02:38:56,799
the way to end the show. So that's the thing

3057
02:38:56,959 --> 02:38:59,200
is that they would have just presented that to me,

3058
02:38:59,280 --> 02:39:03,200
and I tried to I still have now what.

3059
02:39:03,280 --> 02:39:04,920
Speaker 4: The fuck he's talking about. I don't know.

3060
02:39:05,559 --> 02:39:07,120
Speaker 3: We talking about the Dudley's and he's talking about a

3061
02:39:07,120 --> 02:39:08,920
spot where Sabba was supposed to put him through a table,

3062
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:12,159
and somehow they expected to try to do that to

3063
02:39:12,280 --> 02:39:14,600
him without telling him and asking him, which I don't

3064
02:39:14,760 --> 02:39:15,440
understand at all.

3065
02:39:15,920 --> 02:39:17,840
Speaker 4: But maybe I don't know how that works. Maybe more

3066
02:39:17,959 --> 02:39:18,280
late is.

3067
02:39:18,239 --> 02:39:20,959
Speaker 3: About to be shed on how ECW communication used to work,

3068
02:39:21,000 --> 02:39:23,000
and maybe maybe Sid picks up on some of the

3069
02:39:23,040 --> 02:39:24,799
subtle ways that they would try to get over on

3070
02:39:24,920 --> 02:39:28,280
people on television to the benefit of their own homegrown guys.

3071
02:39:28,280 --> 02:39:28,559
Speaker 11: I don't know.

3072
02:39:28,600 --> 02:39:30,360
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to develop the thesis here based on

3073
02:39:30,639 --> 02:39:34,319
these disparate parts and the weird places that Sid's mind

3074
02:39:34,399 --> 02:39:37,159
goes when he's asked about working with the Dudleys, which,

3075
02:39:37,159 --> 02:39:39,319
of course took places mentioned in a similar segment to

3076
02:39:39,360 --> 02:39:41,239
what we just saw with John Cronos on the Living

3077
02:39:41,360 --> 02:39:43,399
Dangerously pay per view, where the Dudleys is they were

3078
02:39:43,399 --> 02:39:44,959
wont to do at the time, kind of take over

3079
02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:46,760
the middle of the ring. Bubba grabs the mic and

3080
02:39:46,799 --> 02:39:49,959
just starts like a profanity laced tirade against anybody and everybody,

3081
02:39:50,239 --> 02:39:53,479
challenging people, calling out fans, calling him homosexuals and things

3082
02:39:53,600 --> 02:39:56,479
like that. So here's what it sounded like when Sid

3083
02:39:57,000 --> 02:40:00,879
clashed with the Dudley's at ECW Living Day Interesting nineteen.

3084
02:40:01,120 --> 02:40:04,479
Speaker 2: Boy, let's not start something.

3085
02:40:04,280 --> 02:40:05,040
Speaker 10: We can't finish.

3086
02:40:06,360 --> 02:40:07,360
Speaker 11: No one.

3087
02:40:10,799 --> 02:40:11,200
Speaker 1: Is there?

3088
02:40:11,399 --> 02:40:13,360
Speaker 2: No man with the nuts?

3089
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:16,280
Speaker 4: Is there?

3090
02:40:16,520 --> 02:40:18,280
Speaker 2: No man Toumber? Now?

3091
02:40:21,040 --> 02:40:21,440
Speaker 11: Is there?

3092
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:22,559
Speaker 17: No man?

3093
02:40:23,920 --> 02:40:24,159
Speaker 5: Man?

3094
02:40:24,559 --> 02:40:24,719
Speaker 12: Now?

3095
02:40:25,559 --> 02:40:28,079
Speaker 2: Tom getting the ring more?

3096
02:40:28,280 --> 02:40:29,520
Speaker 4: Godley boys?

3097
02:40:34,799 --> 02:40:36,280
Speaker 10: All right, you made your point.

3098
02:40:38,120 --> 02:40:43,239
Speaker 23: You embarrass yourselves by spiking Bob Artis with a godly

3099
02:40:43,360 --> 02:40:43,879
death drop.

3100
02:40:47,280 --> 02:40:48,200
Speaker 4: Why are you in breads?

3101
02:40:48,360 --> 02:40:51,360
Speaker 2: Just quit while you're ahead. Get the hell out of it.

3102
02:40:54,959 --> 02:41:01,319
Oh no, and no jog because bad man, you leave

3103
02:41:01,360 --> 02:41:01,719
me back.

3104
02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:19,239
Speaker 8: Change change James Harry, come here.

3105
02:41:14,680 --> 02:41:19,399
Speaker 2: It is Wow, there's no bad.

3106
02:41:21,680 --> 02:41:21,920
Speaker 12: Enough.

3107
02:41:25,000 --> 02:41:26,920
Speaker 2: I'morayan TiVo Dudley.

3108
02:41:27,399 --> 02:41:32,399
Speaker 8: Be careful with your whisper because she is here and

3109
02:41:32,559 --> 02:41:33,600
the Dudley boys.

3110
02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:37,799
Speaker 3: Look ready, there's no man bad enough.

3111
02:41:39,719 --> 02:41:47,799
Speaker 2: You shout, whoa, I wouldn't.

3112
02:41:47,399 --> 02:41:49,200
Speaker 14: Look at what.

3113
02:41:51,360 --> 02:42:19,760
Speaker 22: You're such a psycho and you're so dicious's razy ro said,

3114
02:42:20,200 --> 02:42:27,399
no man, no man, start shut up, and the Dudley

3115
02:42:27,479 --> 02:42:27,840
wife is.

3116
02:42:27,840 --> 02:42:31,760
Speaker 3: Going to work on said, and then you start beating

3117
02:42:31,799 --> 02:42:32,479
said down a bit.

3118
02:42:33,319 --> 02:42:34,239
Speaker 4: Oh Jesus.

3119
02:42:36,520 --> 02:42:40,799
Speaker 23: And now the four o'clock time World Tag Team Champions.

3120
02:42:43,000 --> 02:42:44,239
Speaker 12: And working over.

3121
02:42:45,559 --> 02:42:52,280
Speaker 2: The six foot tag Wait, wats palmon? So apian country boy?

3122
02:42:52,760 --> 02:42:54,520
Speaker 4: You're sure not pretty mouth?

3123
02:42:55,239 --> 02:42:55,479
Speaker 18: WHOA?

3124
02:42:57,120 --> 02:43:21,879
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't need to hear that. It's up the rod.

3125
02:43:25,319 --> 02:43:38,280
Speaker 3: Whoa there's that ecw ring sound? Yeah, seriously, Sid takes

3126
02:43:38,319 --> 02:43:42,120
over Jesus. He stretches Devon and then Spike Dudley, who

3127
02:43:42,120 --> 02:43:44,280
was there, jumps off the ropes. He's supposed to actually

3128
02:43:44,360 --> 02:43:47,000
jump off Sid's shoulders and clothesline Devon off a stretcher

3129
02:43:47,079 --> 02:43:50,040
that's positioned on a ramp, and it just falls apart.

3130
02:43:50,239 --> 02:43:53,040
Falls apart, of course he does, and then Sid just

3131
02:43:53,079 --> 02:43:54,719
goes out and picks up the stretcher and drops it

3132
02:43:54,760 --> 02:43:57,920
across Devon's back. Spike hits an acid drop on Bubba

3133
02:43:58,000 --> 02:43:59,959
in the ring for the one two three, So basically

3134
02:44:00,159 --> 02:44:02,200
goes down as Spike Dudley and Sid as a team

3135
02:44:02,280 --> 02:44:05,760
defeating the Dudley's here Living Dangerously ninety nine and then

3136
02:44:05,879 --> 02:44:09,159
Sid Well he power bomb Spike Dudley for no reason, no,

3137
02:44:09,760 --> 02:44:11,559
why not in the ring, and then he power bombs

3138
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:13,319
him off the fucking ramp through a table on the

3139
02:44:13,399 --> 02:44:16,600
concrete at a high rate of speed, extra hard, for

3140
02:44:16,719 --> 02:44:20,799
no reason. And that's Sid styles goes Now, honestly, what

3141
02:44:21,000 --> 02:44:24,040
was the point of that? And I think says it

3142
02:44:24,120 --> 02:44:26,840
all there, and they chance Sid rapidly. Listen at these

3143
02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:29,840
these proud ECW fans buss they can't stop chanting Sid.

3144
02:44:32,319 --> 02:44:36,760
Speaker 4: He's such a he is such an a weird phenomenon,

3145
02:44:37,840 --> 02:44:41,079
but he always gets this kind of reaction when he

3146
02:44:41,120 --> 02:44:41,840
first shows up.

3147
02:44:41,760 --> 02:44:43,680
Speaker 3: When he first shows up, exactly when people lay eyes

3148
02:44:43,719 --> 02:44:45,159
on him, they just want to see him do his thing,

3149
02:44:45,200 --> 02:44:49,319
and he's doing it here for sure. And they chance

3150
02:44:49,399 --> 02:44:51,319
Sid rapidly as he just walks to the back and

3151
02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:54,159
parts the curtain with them panding up like they used

3152
02:44:54,200 --> 02:44:56,520
to do with that ECW sign right above the entrance curtain.

3153
02:44:56,559 --> 02:44:56,920
Speaker 4: And that's it.

3154
02:44:57,040 --> 02:45:00,360
Speaker 3: Sid has done what he came to do. Now, Yeah,

3155
02:45:00,479 --> 02:45:03,120
can you imagine just for a second. We heard Bubba

3156
02:45:03,159 --> 02:45:04,840
Dudley's words there. I don't know what you thought about

3157
02:45:04,840 --> 02:45:10,159
his promo, Eh, bob Ry Dudley. Can you imagine getting

3158
02:45:10,200 --> 02:45:14,239
sid to agree to having the Dudley say to him

3159
02:45:14,239 --> 02:45:16,680
when they're beating him down, that's a pretty mouth you got.

3160
02:45:17,639 --> 02:45:22,760
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like that's not something he actually agreed to.

3161
02:45:23,120 --> 02:45:25,920
Speaker 3: We heard that little twist there in the sit commentary

3162
02:45:25,920 --> 02:45:28,639
from the shoot interview calling making sure to take the

3163
02:45:28,719 --> 02:45:30,559
time to call Bubba Dudley a prima donna?

3164
02:45:31,360 --> 02:45:32,959
Speaker 4: What's that about? What could that be?

3165
02:45:34,360 --> 02:45:35,920
Speaker 3: Had to be tied to this segment, had to be

3166
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:37,879
tied to this interaction that he had with the Dudley's

3167
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:41,239
on a big stage here on pay per view. I've

3168
02:45:41,280 --> 02:45:43,639
never seen the Dudley's comment on it, though, so it's

3169
02:45:43,719 --> 02:45:46,120
kind of it's kind of hard to say, you know

3170
02:45:46,280 --> 02:45:48,520
what what was and wasn't understood ahead of time. Of course,

3171
02:45:48,559 --> 02:45:51,120
a lot of that stuff is just up to our supposition.

3172
02:45:51,280 --> 02:45:57,200
Wait a minute, what's this, KP.

3173
02:45:57,360 --> 02:45:57,840
Speaker 4: What's going on?

3174
02:45:58,000 --> 02:45:58,120
Speaker 5: Man?

3175
02:45:58,159 --> 02:46:01,120
Speaker 25: It's twenty four time world tag team champion Dvon Dudley

3176
02:46:01,200 --> 02:46:03,520
here and now hear you got a couple of questions

3177
02:46:03,559 --> 02:46:04,680
that you want me to answer.

3178
02:46:05,399 --> 02:46:06,680
Speaker 4: Now, usually they.

3179
02:46:06,600 --> 02:46:10,559
Speaker 25: Don't give me requests. Where people want me to answer questions,

3180
02:46:11,120 --> 02:46:14,920
it's usually wanting to say starting like happy birthday, things

3181
02:46:15,000 --> 02:46:19,040
like that, brother you this so yes, Living Dangerously e

3182
02:46:19,280 --> 02:46:22,399
c W nineteen ninety nine was a very very good

3183
02:46:22,520 --> 02:46:26,239
pay per few for the Dudly boys. We wrestled Sid

3184
02:46:26,399 --> 02:46:29,879
that day, and you know he was a big, big man,

3185
02:46:30,200 --> 02:46:33,239
loved working with. Said crazy as hell, but a really

3186
02:46:33,280 --> 02:46:35,879
really down to earth good guy. One of the questions

3187
02:46:35,959 --> 02:46:38,120
you asked was when Bubba said you got a pretty mouth?

3188
02:46:39,159 --> 02:46:41,719
Was it hard to get Sid to agree with that? Well,

3189
02:46:41,799 --> 02:46:45,680
first and foremost, Bubba never asked, He just said it,

3190
02:46:45,920 --> 02:46:49,000
and that was it. Oh, that was the way we

3191
02:46:49,079 --> 02:46:52,719
did things back then. I said as permission too many times.

3192
02:46:52,760 --> 02:46:56,680
But we knew what level of respect to have for

3193
02:46:56,799 --> 02:46:58,479
a person getting in the ring, such as a guy

3194
02:46:58,639 --> 02:47:01,399
like Sid who had been in WWE, w c W

3195
02:47:02,120 --> 02:47:05,399
and other organizations way before he got to ECW, so

3196
02:47:05,559 --> 02:47:09,120
we knew what ground to flirt with and what grounds

3197
02:47:09,280 --> 02:47:16,600
not to flirt with. He was great to work with,

3198
02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:23,440
very intent, somebody that basically made you push it when

3199
02:47:23,639 --> 02:47:25,040
you didn't want to push it.

3200
02:47:27,479 --> 02:47:31,840
Speaker 4: You asked the question, Eric, Sid said.

3201
02:47:32,159 --> 02:47:35,920
Speaker 25: Vince said, Vince, I'm sorry Sid said that Bubba was

3202
02:47:35,920 --> 02:47:38,120
at Prima Donna. Well, if he said it, he never

3203
02:47:38,200 --> 02:47:41,159
said it to us. It wasn't something like, you know,

3204
02:47:42,440 --> 02:47:45,120
he said it to be disrespectful anything. He could have

3205
02:47:45,159 --> 02:47:48,479
been in character. We didn't know Sid like that for

3206
02:47:48,600 --> 02:47:50,840
him to make that kind of comment, And we really

3207
02:47:50,879 --> 02:47:52,319
didn't deal with Sid back then.

3208
02:47:52,399 --> 02:47:53,120
Speaker 4: At the pay per view.

3209
02:47:53,440 --> 02:47:56,319
Speaker 25: It was basically Paul Haman coming to us, telling us

3210
02:47:56,360 --> 02:47:59,799
what he wanted, and then told Sid. And then it

3211
02:47:59,879 --> 02:48:02,559
was conveyed that we understood what Sid would and Sid

3212
02:48:02,639 --> 02:48:03,719
understood what we wanted.

3213
02:48:04,120 --> 02:48:07,319
Speaker 4: So we went that way and we had a great

3214
02:48:07,399 --> 02:48:09,840
time in ECW. So again, there was a.

3215
02:48:09,920 --> 02:48:13,079
Speaker 25: Level of respect back then that we had for one

3216
02:48:13,079 --> 02:48:15,799
another that we were able to do things like that

3217
02:48:16,200 --> 02:48:21,879
without crossing the line. So I hope that answered your questions.

3218
02:48:22,399 --> 02:48:25,159
And thank you so much for this, and you know,

3219
02:48:25,200 --> 02:48:28,440
I wish you nothing but the best, and take care

3220
02:48:28,479 --> 02:48:30,120
of yourself and hope see you soon. And I hope

3221
02:48:30,120 --> 02:48:32,000
you enjoyed this cameo. Take care of my friend.

3222
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:48,920
Speaker 1: Get the lap fan Wrestling Podcast, the wrestling podcast that

3223
02:48:49,079 --> 02:48:52,520
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3224
02:49:07,239 --> 02:49:11,000
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3225
02:49:13,000 --> 02:49:13,600
Speaker 4: Thank you Devon.

3226
02:49:13,799 --> 02:49:17,760
Speaker 3: He he feeled the question gamely. Indeed, I think indeed,

3227
02:49:18,159 --> 02:49:20,600
I'm not sure what that Prima Donna comment was all about,

3228
02:49:20,600 --> 02:49:24,000
which is fair game and I guess sure, sure, But

3229
02:49:24,120 --> 02:49:27,479
there's the confirmation that Sid did not see that line coming.

3230
02:49:28,399 --> 02:49:30,239
And it sounds like you sniffed that one out right away.

3231
02:49:32,719 --> 02:49:35,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would imagine. I don't think sidce he's a

3232
02:49:35,200 --> 02:49:39,120
lot coming in fairness. Right, that's a great point.

3233
02:49:39,200 --> 02:49:41,719
Speaker 3: Actually, they could have easily run it by him and

3234
02:49:41,799 --> 02:49:42,799
he would have no clue.

3235
02:49:43,000 --> 02:49:45,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean he could have. I feel like

3236
02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:49,079
they they could have given him an exact line reading

3237
02:49:49,159 --> 02:49:51,079
and he would have been totally taken aback.

3238
02:49:51,200 --> 02:49:51,399
Speaker 11: Yeah.

3239
02:49:51,399 --> 02:49:53,319
Speaker 3: A lot more in that category to come as we

3240
02:49:53,360 --> 02:49:55,559
continue with our tribute to Sid. But yeah, so that

3241
02:49:55,719 --> 02:49:57,879
line and you can kind of see Sid blow a

3242
02:49:57,920 --> 02:49:59,879
bubble and bubb his face after he you know, call

3243
02:50:00,079 --> 02:50:03,920
some the the the F word slur there and just

3244
02:50:04,000 --> 02:50:06,479
kind of like, Okay, we're doing this, like I'm in

3245
02:50:06,559 --> 02:50:08,360
the ring now, and you're gonna grab the moment and

3246
02:50:08,440 --> 02:50:10,760
say a bunch of things that make you look like

3247
02:50:10,799 --> 02:50:13,239
you're not afraid of me and and running all that

3248
02:50:13,319 --> 02:50:14,959
and knowing you're about to beat me down, you're gonna

3249
02:50:15,040 --> 02:50:18,479
go extra aggressive about of course, it gets his gets

3250
02:50:18,559 --> 02:50:21,159
back on track to say the very least power bombs

3251
02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:23,399
Devon and beats the shit out of a bubba. But

3252
02:50:24,319 --> 02:50:26,600
I don't know that that that pretty little mouth line

3253
02:50:26,719 --> 02:50:29,600
was just not something I think Sid expected to hear.

3254
02:50:29,639 --> 02:50:31,120
Speaker 11: What he's on his knees taking the beat down.

3255
02:50:31,360 --> 02:50:35,319
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree, And there's it's a very it's

3256
02:50:35,360 --> 02:50:36,079
an interesting one.

3257
02:50:36,440 --> 02:50:40,040
Speaker 3: There's the confirmation from Devon himself, and interesting to hear

3258
02:50:40,120 --> 02:50:42,000
him say, like, you know, it's not like we would

3259
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:44,040
sit down with the people that we would interact with

3260
02:50:44,399 --> 02:50:46,319
and run things by each other. It went through Paul,

3261
02:50:46,879 --> 02:50:49,600
which I can totally see Paul leveraging to the hilt.

3262
02:50:49,799 --> 02:50:52,559
You know, he said this, he said this. I'll bring

3263
02:50:52,639 --> 02:50:55,559
this word back to him, always wanting to be the

3264
02:50:55,639 --> 02:50:57,799
intermediary in case there was anything that had to be

3265
02:50:57,920 --> 02:51:02,440
I don't know, conveniently lost. And yeah, between the parties,

3266
02:51:02,920 --> 02:51:05,040
we didn't know Sid like that. He says, we had

3267
02:51:05,079 --> 02:51:07,120
respect not to cross the line. I don't know, man,

3268
02:51:07,280 --> 02:51:08,920
what as cross the line sound like? I guess they

3269
02:51:08,920 --> 02:51:09,559
could have went out.

3270
02:51:09,440 --> 02:51:12,760
Speaker 4: There at DNA. Was that TNA.

3271
02:51:13,159 --> 02:51:14,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, he never went over there, so I guess he

3272
02:51:14,840 --> 02:51:17,920
truly didn't cross the line Sid that is, But I

3273
02:51:17,920 --> 02:51:20,159
don't know. That just struck me as a flashpoint in

3274
02:51:20,239 --> 02:51:23,680
his ECW history and might inform why he was sure

3275
02:51:23,760 --> 02:51:27,680
to make that comment when asked about Yeah, yeah, so

3276
02:51:27,799 --> 02:51:31,399
hardcore having comes around May sixteenth, ninety nine mid Hudson

3277
02:51:31,399 --> 02:51:34,079
Civic Center and Poughkeepsie and on the show Just Incredible

3278
02:51:34,120 --> 02:51:36,479
actually worked Sid Vicious. They went to a no contest

3279
02:51:37,360 --> 02:51:41,040
in two minutes. ACRN RVD Credible was rather rather worried

3280
02:51:41,159 --> 02:51:42,719
that he wouldn't be able to get much of a

3281
02:51:42,799 --> 02:51:45,639
match out of Sid, and RVD was there he our

3282
02:51:45,760 --> 02:51:48,280
RVD had this match in mind with Sid that never happened,

3283
02:51:48,399 --> 02:51:51,000
never consummated that he thought really would have been awesome,

3284
02:51:51,000 --> 02:51:52,920
where you know, he'd be able to work all around

3285
02:51:52,959 --> 02:51:55,600
Sid's strengths and really pull some rabbits out of the

3286
02:51:55,639 --> 02:51:58,280
hat and make Sid look better than he ever had.

3287
02:51:58,559 --> 02:52:01,360
And I don't know, I actually hear hearing already talk

3288
02:52:01,360 --> 02:52:04,559
about that. I was kind of intrigued like an rv

3289
02:52:04,639 --> 02:52:06,680
D versus Sid match, I don't think it would suck.

3290
02:52:06,719 --> 02:52:09,360
Speaker 4: I really don't. No, I think they could be pretty good.

3291
02:52:09,920 --> 02:52:11,719
I think I think that would actually be I mean,

3292
02:52:12,000 --> 02:52:14,680
I'd be certainly interested to watch it. I wouldn't be

3293
02:52:14,719 --> 02:52:16,120
turned off by it. Yeah.

3294
02:52:16,399 --> 02:52:19,680
Speaker 3: Just seeing the way he would the way he would

3295
02:52:19,719 --> 02:52:24,280
take off for some of Sid's power offense would be

3296
02:52:24,399 --> 02:52:25,760
would be really interesting to me.

3297
02:52:26,040 --> 02:52:26,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3298
02:52:27,360 --> 02:52:29,360
Speaker 3: And I could see how RVD would find ways to

3299
02:52:30,319 --> 02:52:33,120
fly into him and really without him having to do

3300
02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:38,079
an awful lot, you know. In according to Just Incredible

3301
02:52:38,120 --> 02:52:41,000
for what it's worth, he saw Sid as a fill

3302
02:52:41,079 --> 02:52:43,879
in for Shane Douglas, who had departed the company. He

3303
02:52:44,000 --> 02:52:46,399
says in his book, we feuded with Dreamer and Douglas

3304
02:52:46,799 --> 02:52:49,440
working a big match together Living Dangerously on March twenty one.

3305
02:52:49,680 --> 02:52:52,280
Soon after that, I lost a match Douglas at Cyber Slam.

3306
02:52:52,360 --> 02:52:54,360
But come mid nineteen ninety nine, the feud with Dreamer

3307
02:52:54,399 --> 02:52:57,719
and Douglas ended when Douglas left the company. Following Douglas's departure,

3308
02:52:57,799 --> 02:53:01,360
Sid Udy Everyone's favorite fill in, took over for Douglas

3309
02:53:01,440 --> 02:53:04,399
for a time. So that's the extent of what he

3310
02:53:04,440 --> 02:53:07,200
says about Sid. But it's interesting to hear him frame

3311
02:53:07,280 --> 02:53:08,879
to someone that was really brought in because they were

3312
02:53:08,920 --> 02:53:12,040
losing Shane Douglas. ECW then moved to Detroit on May

3313
02:53:12,159 --> 02:53:15,520
twenty second of nineteen ninety nine at the Michigan State Fairgrounds,

3314
02:53:15,559 --> 02:53:18,760
where yes, you heard this right, Rod Price goes to

3315
02:53:18,879 --> 02:53:24,159
a note contest with Sid. Wow in ECW, that's the

3316
02:53:24,280 --> 02:53:27,040
main event anywhere in the country, that's the main event

3317
02:53:27,120 --> 02:53:31,680
everyone needs. So here's Sid on his sojourn to ECW

3318
02:53:32,239 --> 02:53:34,799
what it meant to him in retrospect, because that's the

3319
02:53:34,840 --> 02:53:36,520
extent of it. We just read off everything that pretty

3320
02:53:36,559 --> 02:53:38,399
much happened. Seemed like there was an awful lot more

3321
02:53:38,479 --> 02:53:41,319
on the table that didn't actually ever take place. Wow,

3322
02:53:41,760 --> 02:53:44,920
I'm sure after that a surprise meeting in Queen's there

3323
02:53:45,000 --> 02:53:47,319
wasn't much left to the relationship between Sid and ECW,

3324
02:53:47,479 --> 02:53:49,040
but he made a couple of impactful pay per view

3325
02:53:49,040 --> 02:53:50,920
appearances that there were a lot of eyeballs on that

3326
02:53:50,959 --> 02:53:53,799
we just played for you. Yeah, and so it's remembered

3327
02:53:54,600 --> 02:53:57,079
rather vividly by an ECW fan base that was kind

3328
02:53:57,120 --> 02:53:59,840
of blown away when a guy of his statue stature

3329
02:54:00,040 --> 02:54:03,040
would park those those curtains here, sit down to shoot interview.

3330
02:54:03,440 --> 02:54:06,159
Looking back on ECW and that short run and what

3331
02:54:06,280 --> 02:54:08,920
it portended for the next move in his wrestling career.

3332
02:54:09,760 --> 02:54:11,920
Speaker 17: Well, the thing was is this, you know, I'm looking

3333
02:54:12,040 --> 02:54:14,879
for a platform ore is to you know, preach off

3334
02:54:14,959 --> 02:54:18,719
of and that was a perfect platform to let the

3335
02:54:18,799 --> 02:54:22,600
world see me in a small scale. Uh, somewhat a

3336
02:54:22,959 --> 02:54:25,159
lot larger, but somewhat the same as d nw A.

3337
02:54:26,920 --> 02:54:29,799
That's and then too it just you know, I knew

3338
02:54:29,840 --> 02:54:32,000
Pauli for a long time. Actually I did my first

3339
02:54:32,040 --> 02:54:35,280
gimmick Lordian Mongers started with Pauli just for a huge

3340
02:54:35,280 --> 02:54:38,000
shots of Memphis before I went down to Continental with Bruno.

3341
02:54:38,600 --> 02:54:41,639
But uh, and then there's a hell a place to

3342
02:54:41,719 --> 02:54:45,159
go to. I still believe that, I, you know, was

3343
02:54:45,239 --> 02:54:46,959
there that that place that really had a chance to

3344
02:54:47,040 --> 02:54:49,120
do something. But once I got there a little bit

3345
02:54:49,159 --> 02:54:51,799
and saw how things were going there that I realized

3346
02:54:51,799 --> 02:54:55,920
it did never make it big because they were too intent,

3347
02:54:56,120 --> 02:54:59,799
too too badly wanted to have the company always larger

3348
02:54:59,840 --> 02:55:02,639
than the boys. You know, they really have fans channing

3349
02:55:02,760 --> 02:55:06,600
c W then say you know whoever you know, so

3350
02:55:07,280 --> 02:55:10,879
you know it's like and then it's just, you know,

3351
02:55:11,200 --> 02:55:13,440
I don't know. These guys were all nice to me.

3352
02:55:13,479 --> 02:55:15,879
I don't have word argument. Guy out of the place, right.

3353
02:55:16,719 --> 02:55:19,200
So but when you're pushing your top guys, it's taz

3354
02:55:19,399 --> 02:55:21,600
and he can't make in the WWS because he's too short.

3355
02:55:21,639 --> 02:55:23,760
That tells you that you know your hair cutting yourself.

3356
02:55:24,719 --> 02:55:26,600
You know, if he had a lot of office business,

3357
02:55:26,600 --> 02:55:27,520
wouldn't be doing.

3358
02:55:27,440 --> 02:55:31,559
Speaker 5: Interested in how this contract if e c w like

3359
02:55:31,840 --> 02:55:33,760
you know, if it would have been a little bit bigger,

3360
02:55:33,799 --> 02:55:35,559
would it would have been in a place like you

3361
02:55:35,600 --> 02:55:36,440
would have liked that, like.

3362
02:55:36,440 --> 02:55:37,000
Speaker 4: A longer run.

3363
02:55:37,760 --> 02:55:39,639
Speaker 17: Well, let's say he was. It came really close to

3364
02:55:39,719 --> 02:55:42,920
that happened, you know, Paul was really and he got

3365
02:55:42,959 --> 02:55:44,719
it pretty close for the money, you know, to give

3366
02:55:44,760 --> 02:55:49,680
me the money I needed, but not enough though, and

3367
02:55:49,799 --> 02:55:54,040
so but no, I was no, I'm glad I didn't

3368
02:55:54,040 --> 02:55:57,399
stay there because he never guy's company, you know, any bigger.

3369
02:55:57,440 --> 02:56:00,440
So I would province anyway, which I don't I want

3370
02:56:00,440 --> 02:56:03,639
to do anyway. But it was just that particular time

3371
02:56:04,399 --> 02:56:07,319
you're out there lobbying yourself, and man Eric came across

3372
02:56:07,399 --> 02:56:09,479
with you know, dyl the lifetime, and I would have

3373
02:56:09,520 --> 02:56:10,479
turned that down for nothing.

3374
02:56:11,319 --> 02:56:15,680
Speaker 3: Eric came across boss with the deal wow of a lifetime,

3375
02:56:15,959 --> 02:56:18,040
and it was to hear Sid say it in no

3376
02:56:18,159 --> 02:56:21,600
small part because he found himself back on television. We

3377
02:56:21,799 --> 02:56:25,200
know u Bischoff never shied away from recruiting his next

3378
02:56:25,280 --> 02:56:28,280
big act from ECW. It seemed to be a key

3379
02:56:28,319 --> 02:56:32,440
part of his playbook and Sid crossing his plane of consciousness.

3380
02:56:32,520 --> 02:56:36,360
But you know, there's there wasn't the greatest ending to

3381
02:56:36,479 --> 02:56:38,520
Sid in Atlanta the last time he was there.

3382
02:56:39,120 --> 02:56:39,520
Speaker 4: That's true.

3383
02:56:39,520 --> 02:56:41,280
Speaker 3: A lot of issues, a lot of problems, a lot

3384
02:56:41,319 --> 02:56:44,559
of considerations. But you know what if Sid is not

3385
02:56:44,680 --> 02:56:49,159
getting the contract he's he's liking from Paul Hayman and

3386
02:56:49,280 --> 02:56:51,559
he's not liking what he's seeing the waycw's framed up,

3387
02:56:51,559 --> 02:56:53,319
I'm sure he went after Taz in that interview for

3388
02:56:53,399 --> 02:56:55,959
one specific reason, because Taz was making more than he was.

3389
02:56:56,559 --> 02:56:59,879
Tat A signed Taz to a big I think to

3390
02:57:00,120 --> 02:57:01,760
fifty I'm not exactly sure, but they signed him to

3391
02:57:01,799 --> 02:57:03,559
a big money deal to try to keep him, and

3392
02:57:03,639 --> 02:57:05,200
of course by the end of ninety nine he's making

3393
02:57:05,239 --> 02:57:09,040
the jump. So I'm sure in Sid's mind that's that's

3394
02:57:09,079 --> 02:57:10,920
the dollar for you, right, he would want to stay,

3395
02:57:11,360 --> 02:57:12,680
and the fact that they gave it to somebody else

3396
02:57:12,680 --> 02:57:14,520
that couldn't make it in WWF is something he kept

3397
02:57:14,639 --> 02:57:17,280
very close attention to, kept a very close score on.

3398
02:57:18,040 --> 02:57:21,479
That's that's how sid rolled and so calling him out there.

3399
02:57:21,760 --> 02:57:24,200
But now he's back on the national stage to some degree,

3400
02:57:24,319 --> 02:57:26,000
and people are seeing what he has to bring to

3401
02:57:26,079 --> 02:57:28,639
the table. And Boss, I don't know. I mean, if

3402
02:57:28,680 --> 02:57:31,639
we know Eric Bischoff, i'd say it's time to to

3403
02:57:31,760 --> 02:57:34,920
gas up the jet engine plane. Don't when you say so, oh.

3404
02:57:35,120 --> 02:57:38,440
Speaker 4: I think you know, listen, if he if he wants somebody,

3405
02:57:38,559 --> 02:57:41,000
it's time to exactly get on the lear jet and

3406
02:57:42,399 --> 02:57:45,479
travel and you know, fly over and and and really

3407
02:57:45,639 --> 02:57:51,200
make a deal with somebody. Because he's cool. Eric's cool.

3408
02:57:52,040 --> 02:57:55,120
Speaker 16: But when I flew to he said for the very

3409
02:57:55,159 --> 02:57:58,200
first time to bring him in. When I was I

3410
02:57:58,319 --> 02:57:59,200
wasn't charge.

3411
02:58:00,719 --> 02:58:01,520
Speaker 4: At the time, I had my.

3412
02:58:01,520 --> 02:58:04,479
Speaker 16: Own plane, so I fooled myself to Yeah, oh god,

3413
02:58:04,559 --> 02:58:06,399
the little town he lived in, Mississippi.

3414
02:58:07,799 --> 02:58:09,239
Speaker 4: And I didn't know what to expect.

3415
02:58:09,280 --> 02:58:12,840
Speaker 16: I'd heard all the stories, all the dirt sheet bullshit

3416
02:58:12,959 --> 02:58:18,680
from guys like Dave Meltzer. Went into the meeting with

3417
02:58:20,000 --> 02:58:22,879
I was, I was cautious, I was reserved. I didn't

3418
02:58:22,879 --> 02:58:30,639
know what to expect. Man, humble home, humble guy, small

3419
02:58:30,760 --> 02:58:35,280
town that's what he loved in his family, obviously, and

3420
02:58:35,639 --> 02:58:39,680
I kind of admire someone, especially at a young age,

3421
02:58:39,799 --> 02:58:43,159
especially when people are dangling buckets and buckets and buckets

3422
02:58:43,239 --> 02:58:45,760
and money in front of you. When you're a small

3423
02:58:45,840 --> 02:58:51,200
town guy from Mississippi, who's you know, happy driver a

3424
02:58:51,280 --> 02:58:53,360
twenty year old car. As long as it works, that

3425
02:58:53,559 --> 02:58:56,559
was it. He wasn't. He didn't live above his means.

3426
02:58:58,040 --> 02:59:01,479
Money was I guess important to him. But it's clear

3427
02:59:01,559 --> 02:59:04,120
to me now, especially in retrospect, as you just pointed out,

3428
02:59:05,120 --> 02:59:08,280
his life, his family, his community was far more important

3429
02:59:08,440 --> 02:59:13,360
than perhaps another opportunity to wrestle in a WrestleMania main

3430
02:59:13,440 --> 02:59:16,799
event or WCW main event. He had his priorities straight.

3431
02:59:16,879 --> 02:59:20,079
They're pretty uncommon in this business, and I understand that.

3432
02:59:21,159 --> 02:59:23,040
You know, it's hard for people to wrap their head

3433
02:59:23,079 --> 02:59:29,559
around the idea that someone like sid would jeopardize hundreds

3434
02:59:29,600 --> 02:59:32,840
of thousands of dollars because being with his family and

3435
02:59:32,920 --> 02:59:34,559
being in this community and be a part of it

3436
02:59:34,920 --> 02:59:36,280
was actually more important to him.

3437
02:59:36,319 --> 02:59:37,520
Speaker 14: I admire that.

3438
02:59:39,559 --> 02:59:41,200
Speaker 3: Well, that sounds like he's found a way to get

3439
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:41,840
over the stabbing.

3440
02:59:42,520 --> 02:59:44,559
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I guess so, I guess it's fine to

3441
02:59:45,840 --> 02:59:50,680
I may mean was arn was retired by this point, right, he.

3442
02:59:50,760 --> 02:59:52,719
Speaker 3: Was retired from the ring, but he was definitely working

3443
02:59:52,719 --> 02:59:53,920
at WCW every day.

3444
02:59:54,680 --> 02:59:56,440
Speaker 4: But you know they were retired from the ring though,

3445
02:59:56,520 --> 02:59:57,319
so he's fine.

3446
02:59:57,200 --> 02:59:58,200
Speaker 3: Easy to keep them apart.

3447
02:59:58,920 --> 02:59:59,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3448
02:59:59,600 --> 03:00:02,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, turns out to be something that addressed and something

3449
03:00:02,920 --> 03:00:08,879
that certainly wouldn't provide an in an insurmountable barrier. And

3450
03:00:09,000 --> 03:00:11,680
that's that would imagine remarkable when you think about what

3451
03:00:11,719 --> 03:00:13,799
actually happened in that hotel in England. But here we are,

3452
03:00:14,479 --> 03:00:17,040
and this is the wrestling business, and it's intense, the

3453
03:00:17,200 --> 03:00:19,879
battle between w w F and ww and even ECW

3454
03:00:20,079 --> 03:00:22,719
making a bid for someone like a Sid. It's time

3455
03:00:22,840 --> 03:00:26,120
for the w CW largess. It's time for Sid Boss,

3456
03:00:26,959 --> 03:00:30,079
as he tells Sean Mooney here to after all of

3457
03:00:30,200 --> 03:00:32,840
these kind of false starts in his mind, finally, yes,

3458
03:00:33,159 --> 03:00:34,559
finally cash in.

3459
03:00:35,040 --> 03:00:38,760
Speaker 26: So Eric Bischoff lies a private plane. I pick him

3460
03:00:38,840 --> 03:00:41,399
up at the West Memphis Airport. We go to Cracker

3461
03:00:41,440 --> 03:00:43,399
Burrow and we sit there and make it deal with

3462
03:00:43,440 --> 03:00:48,000
Cracker Barrow. All right, you know, he says, he goes,

3463
03:00:48,079 --> 03:00:51,920
We're going to start you out at one point six, right,

3464
03:00:52,040 --> 03:00:56,520
that's exactly what I was making province for four years, right, Okay,

3465
03:00:57,200 --> 03:01:00,440
so I'm figuring he already knew that. I'm sitting there,

3466
03:01:00,440 --> 03:01:03,440
I'm looking at him. Okay, you know this evidently, right,

3467
03:01:04,360 --> 03:01:07,639
But I didn't say anything. Then he goes, but he said,

3468
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:11,280
I mean one point six year first year said I, Oh,

3469
03:01:11,360 --> 03:01:14,440
my fucking god, you know, because I'm trying not to

3470
03:01:15,040 --> 03:01:17,639
show that how happy I am. So I said, well,

3471
03:01:17,680 --> 03:01:19,879
let me think about it, you know. So I take

3472
03:01:19,920 --> 03:01:22,200
you back to the airport, drop you mom. He actually

3473
03:01:22,239 --> 03:01:26,079
flew himself in. He's a power as well. So did

3474
03:01:26,159 --> 03:01:28,079
they call me the next day? We talked about on

3475
03:01:28,120 --> 03:01:28,440
the phone.

3476
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Speaker 3: I say yeah, I say, yeah, sounds like a big

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money contract there, boss, Yeah, I does. But of course

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we'll never know what actually was in the contract.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe that.

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Speaker 3: Next time, on the TLF Tribute to Sid, we embark

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upon his final run in the National Spotlight, the one

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that would see the end of his career in some

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of his prime earning years. And yes, friends, we dig

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in to Sid's complete WCW contract. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 11: The City Presiding Announcement as.

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Speaker 1: A t J DeSantis production. Its content is intended for

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private use only