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<v Speaker 1>If anything Trump does, I think he knows is doing

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<v Speaker 1>every day what we.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to you know, fifty five KRC the Talk station.

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<v Speaker 2>He five the fifty five KRC the Talk Station.

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<v Speaker 1>Are very happy.

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<v Speaker 3>Monday's always made extra special happy. We get to hear

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<v Speaker 3>from Brian James Moor Financial on money matters. Brian James,

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<v Speaker 3>hope you had a wonderful week and welcome back to

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<v Speaker 3>the fifty five KRC Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you and good morning to you as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a lot of good news in the rundown of

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<v Speaker 3>topics here, so let's talk about consumer sentiment. I know

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<v Speaker 3>there's a couple of polls out Michigan University of Michigan

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<v Speaker 3>poll and a CNN poll people not feeling real good

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<v Speaker 3>about the economy at least in so far as concerns

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<v Speaker 3>about inflation are concerned. Are they are are the those

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<v Speaker 3>polled who are having these concerns and the sentiment dropping

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<v Speaker 3>off accurate?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but any poll is only as accurate as the

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<v Speaker 1>audience that they're talking to. Now, these do come from

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Michigan, which is that that's who we're

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<v Speaker 1>always talking about, right whenever you hear the words consumer sentiment. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there are plenty of organizations, but the University of Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>is the whopper that has been around for the longest time.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're going to trust any poll, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>one with the largest reach in the most history. So

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<v Speaker 1>University of Michigan latest survey is showing a significant decline

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<v Speaker 1>in sentiment in February, dropping by about ten percent from January.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not shocking if you've paid any attention at

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<v Speaker 1>all to the headlines. I think there were plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>people out there who thought all we had to do

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<v Speaker 1>was was elect a really conservative administration and everything would

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<v Speaker 1>get fixed with the push of a button, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>just that simple. Well, we know that's not the case. Obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>Egg prices are the thing that everybody's sick of hearing about.

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<v Speaker 1>Tariffs are never ever ever going to be an immediate

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<v Speaker 1>good thing. They are shot across the bow to start

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a trade war and settle things

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<v Speaker 1>out at a different point. But in the very short run,

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<v Speaker 1>we're always going to have a negative downturn as business

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<v Speaker 1>sorts itself out and countries figure how they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>work together again with regard to these trade agreements. We've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it before, though, so nothing to panic about yet. However, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a lot of grumpy people out there at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and I found it a little ridiculous that Trump

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<v Speaker 3>actually set on the campaign trail. Here at trail he

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<v Speaker 3>promised to bring down prices starting day one. I think

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<v Speaker 3>I may even comment about that on the air. How

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<v Speaker 3>I mean this is inflation is very complicated and complex.

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<v Speaker 3>You talk about egg prices, well, there's something called the

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<v Speaker 3>bird flu out there. They're killing millions and millions and

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<v Speaker 3>millions of chicken, obviously reducing the availability of the price

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<v Speaker 3>of eggs. So there's one legitimate connection that has nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to do whatsoever with any administration's policies. So you can't

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<v Speaker 3>magically make bird flu go away or magically increase the

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<v Speaker 3>number of laying chickens in the world. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have to struggle with that problem for a while un

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<v Speaker 3>till it gets you worked out. However it gets worked out.

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<v Speaker 3>But insofar as tariffs are concerned, and you and I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of share the same point on that, if you

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<v Speaker 3>increase tariffs, the prices are going to necessarily increase by

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<v Speaker 3>some percentage, maybe not a full twenty five percent, but

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to get passed along to the consumer. Has

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<v Speaker 3>that happened yet, I mean, we're feeling yet the impact

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<v Speaker 3>of tariffs, because my understanding is it hasn't really settled

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<v Speaker 3>in yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're starting to see increases on prices on things

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<v Speaker 1>laid on things that come out of China, for example, iPhones,

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<v Speaker 1>MacBooks are starting to increase prices a little bit, the

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<v Speaker 1>fast fashion types of things. These are names wh wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have heard of ten years ago, Shine and Timu, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm pronouncing one of those incorrectly. But these

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<v Speaker 1>are places where where people have used a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>recent history to get really cheap clothing and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's kind of ground zero for what we're really after.

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<v Speaker 1>There are rules not not only the tariffs, but there

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<v Speaker 1>are rules that were in place called the deminimous Exemptions

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<v Speaker 1>that that basically allowed China to create extremely cheap items

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<v Speaker 1>of apparel and things like that and ship them over here.

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<v Speaker 1>Shipping is the big part, but the policy that were

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<v Speaker 1>very easily and very cheaply. Those rules have changed too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not a tar iff, that's simply the removal of

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<v Speaker 1>a discount effectively, So things like that are going to

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<v Speaker 1>get more expensive. We're also seeing produce fruits and vegetables

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<v Speaker 1>If you've been paying attention have seen noticeable price increases,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not yet. Remember these are things that per unit

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<v Speaker 1>don't cost that much to begin with. So unless you're

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<v Speaker 1>truly paying attention, and you're one of those people with

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<v Speaker 1>a spreadsheet and I've seen them in the grocery store

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<v Speaker 1>lately tracking prices over time, you may not notice this,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know something that costs fifty cents now that

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<v Speaker 1>now costs fifty five cents, that's a nickel, But if

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<v Speaker 1>you do the math, that's a ten percent increase. So

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<v Speaker 1>these things were just at the beginning of this. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to sneak in. The price increases are going to

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<v Speaker 1>sneak in kind of without us noticing unless you're paying

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I know one of the things that was mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>in the article fed share at Jerome Pala said last

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<v Speaker 3>year to keynote address, you know, it was an inflation

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<v Speaker 3>brought about by a number of factors. Again, all these

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<v Speaker 3>different factors over which brand new administration can't really control

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<v Speaker 3>but pent up demand, stimulative policies, pandemic changes in work

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<v Speaker 3>and leisure policies, and the additional savings associated with constrained services.

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<v Speaker 3>In other words, people weren't out spending the money. Finally,

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<v Speaker 3>when the economy got opened back up again, it was

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<v Speaker 3>a spending free for all, which contributed to a historic

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<v Speaker 3>surgeon consumer spending on goods. If the demand goes down

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<v Speaker 3>because people are feeling the heat of you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>real estate tax is going up, or maybe some of

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<v Speaker 3>the increase in pricing. Obviously, grocery store prices continue to

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<v Speaker 3>go up. If demand goes down, then that might have

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<v Speaker 3>an impact on lowering prices because the supply will increase.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, that's all part of the correction. But demand going

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<v Speaker 1>down is usually going to result in some pain time,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, because if demand goes down for a product

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<v Speaker 1>that your company creates, guess who's in for a round

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<v Speaker 1>of belt tightening. So that's all part of the process

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<v Speaker 1>here of if we want to change the point at

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<v Speaker 1>which we meet in the market, meaning what do we

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<v Speaker 1>pay other countries for the goods and services that were

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<v Speaker 1>buying for them? What do they pay us for ours.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to change the point where we are on

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<v Speaker 1>the playing field for that, but that's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen without some pain and without some adjustment, and that

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing an awful lot of that, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>in the federal government with the cuts that like them

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<v Speaker 1>or not, the cuts that are coming from the Doge Office,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's real or not, these things are actually happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the same thing. We just want to

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<v Speaker 1>change how the money moves around. We want to change

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<v Speaker 1>how business is done, good, bad and different. There can

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<v Speaker 1>be good things that come out of that, there can

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<v Speaker 1>be bad things, but no matter what, there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be disruption and it's going to be a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a bumpy ride. And we're already seeing that these last

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<v Speaker 1>several weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, sort of a correlador to this discussion, I saw

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<v Speaker 3>this article headlines in the front page at the Wall

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<v Speaker 3>Street Journal, the US economy depends more than ever on

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<v Speaker 3>rich people. The highest earning ten percent of Americans account

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<v Speaker 3>for almost fifty percent of all consumer spending, and as

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<v Speaker 3>the article points out, the number of lower income earners

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<v Speaker 3>spending is dropping, but the rich people keep going out

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<v Speaker 3>and spending heaploads of cash and all kinds of things,

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<v Speaker 3>including travel and you know, stuff that's out of the

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<v Speaker 3>reach of a lot of Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's what masks a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the real life situation here in the United States, because

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<v Speaker 1>those ten percent can really keep the economy cooking as

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<v Speaker 1>they have for the last several years. But you also

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of people suffering out there, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>hidden by the fact that we have a strong economy,

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<v Speaker 1>economy keeps growing. The stock market the last couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years has been strong. We tend to forget about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two was a terrible year in the stock market,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't come with a story attached, really, so

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really think about that. Nobody talks about it

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<v Speaker 1>like we do two thousand and eight. However, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people suffering out there, but that gets completely

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<v Speaker 1>hidden by all the economic activity that that largest or

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<v Speaker 1>richest ten percent is producing. And unfortunately, that's become the

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<v Speaker 1>American way over the last century or so. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>a new phenomenon. It's just getting the two groups are

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<v Speaker 1>just getting further and further apart.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, and pivoting over to something connected in some

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<v Speaker 3>level market correction I keep hearing about we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>we'd for a market correction good way. In other words,

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<v Speaker 3>the market is overpriced and people are expecting it to

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<v Speaker 3>drop off and valuations of stocks to drop off. And

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<v Speaker 3>the question is, as some are have observed, are the

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<v Speaker 3>Doge cuts bad for the economy? And will it empower?

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<v Speaker 3>Will it cause perhaps a market correction?

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<v Speaker 1>Good? Very well? So this This latest talking head is

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Cohen. He's the CEO Ofer point seventy two Asset Management,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says he is now bearished on the US

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<v Speaker 1>economy for the first time in a while. He manages

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<v Speaker 1>a hedge fund. He's a billionaire hedge fund type of

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<v Speaker 1>a guy, obviously a very smart person who have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>to this point. Certainly his opinion is worth something. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, you can go back through time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I encourage people to do this when you start

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<v Speaker 1>to feel attracted to this one talking head on some

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<v Speaker 1>TV show says, here's what I think that is valuable. However,

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<v Speaker 1>go back in time and go see what people said

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<v Speaker 1>about early twenty two or early twenty three or twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>There is always at least one talking head out there

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<v Speaker 1>who is not necessarily a stupid person. But there's always

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<v Speaker 1>one talking head out there that is predicting a huge pullback.

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<v Speaker 1>We never ever ever go back and see whether these

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<v Speaker 1>people will write or not. So maybe Brian Thomas, you

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<v Speaker 1>and I should mark our calendars or February whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth of twenty six and see if mister Cohen

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<v Speaker 1>was corrected.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's hope he's not correct because a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people have a lot of money in four oh and

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<v Speaker 3>ks and they're counting on that for the retirement. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to see the market go in the toilet again.

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<v Speaker 3>Does take a little bit while to get that money back,

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<v Speaker 3>although the market has rebounded enough that most people have

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<v Speaker 3>made up that money that we lost in twenty twenty two. Anyhow,

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<v Speaker 3>Brian James, all with financials pause. We'll find out about

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<v Speaker 3>home sales dropping in January and more Americans taking loans

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<v Speaker 3>to pay for emergencies, but at what costs. Cash poor

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<v Speaker 3>Americans are real problem eight fifteen fifty five kc DE

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<v Speaker 3>try to find some happiness in these sad stories we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about with money Mondays Brian James, and in real estate,

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<v Speaker 3>home sales have dropped January because prices are really high

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<v Speaker 3>and people's perception of the interest rates for mortgages really high,

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<v Speaker 3>in the combination of the two just really puts people

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<v Speaker 3>out of the out of the market. I saw the

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<v Speaker 3>medium price of a home in January three hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>ninety six thousand, nine hundred dollars. That's up four percent

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<v Speaker 3>or four point eight percent from the year before and

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<v Speaker 3>the highest price ever for the month of January. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of money for medium price Brian James.

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<v Speaker 1>That really is and then we may maybe maybe seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a peak in all this. So sales are previously owned

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<v Speaker 1>homes fell by almost five percent in January compared to December.

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<v Speaker 1>One point one eight million homes for sale at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of January. That was an increase of three and

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<v Speaker 1>a half percent and up seventeen percent from January twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four So interestingly, we are seeing more homes than the

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<v Speaker 1>number of homes hitting the sale block has increased percentage wise,

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<v Speaker 1>but the actual closed sales are starting to drop, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's a sign of a peak here. And as you

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six thousand dollars. That's up five percent itself. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the highest we've ever had on that particular measure. In

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati is not exempted from this anymore like we used

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<v Speaker 1>to be. The secret is out that this is a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful place to live, and at least up until now,

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<v Speaker 1>has been very reasonably priced with regard to real estate.

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<v Speaker 1>Still is, of course regarding the compared to the richest

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<v Speaker 1>places out there in New York City, San Francisco, and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth. But at the same time, we are not

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<v Speaker 1>the bargain that we used to be, so we're look,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't too much of a surprise. The analyst. We're

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<v Speaker 1>expecting about a two point six percent decline in sales. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the actual decline was about five percent, So these you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we might be getting to that point where we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to start to see a correction, bit of correction on

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess if you want to sell your home

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<v Speaker 3>people aren't coming to see it, maybe you've overpriced the

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<v Speaker 3>home and asking too much, which obviously, if you're going

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<v Speaker 3>the price to a point where someone's going to even

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<v Speaker 3>they're not right now. Well, so yeah, there's a market

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<v Speaker 3>correction that might benefit everybody, just lower expectations on the

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's where it starts. I mean that there

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<v Speaker 1>are house is always worth something. Houses are never absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>run down and about to fall apart. It's always the

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<v Speaker 1>price that's the issue. So if the if the buying

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<v Speaker 1>be in, well you can correct that by lowering the price.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not wonderful, but it doesn't mean you cannot sell

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<v Speaker 1>your house at the same time. So there's also an

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<v Speaker 1>because there are people out there who want to change

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<v Speaker 1>their neighborhood or downsize, or they want to sell their

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<v Speaker 1>home for some reason, but they're currently sitting on a

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<v Speaker 1>mortgage it's less than four percent. Well, those folks are

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<v Speaker 1>going to say, you know what, we're not really in

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<v Speaker 1>a hurry that the problems we've identified here are not immediate.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's wait until it's better and enjoy our four percent

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<v Speaker 1>mortgage a little more. So That means sellers are really

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<v Speaker 1>only dealing with people who are forced to move because

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<v Speaker 1>fewer buyers out there now because the ones who have

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<v Speaker 1>flexibility are exercising that flexibility and going to hold off

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<v Speaker 3>And we've had conversations before about you know, paying off

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<v Speaker 3>not always within the reach of a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 3>but my wife and I you know, did a little

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<v Speaker 3>belt tightening over the years when we had that lower,

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<v Speaker 3>just just slightly under three percent mortgage because we refinanced

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<v Speaker 3>to a much lower level. That's the right thing to do,

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<v Speaker 3>but we use the extra money to make extra payments

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<v Speaker 3>every month and ended up being able to buy the

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<v Speaker 3>home a lot earlier. Now, is that, from a financial

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<v Speaker 3>planning standpoint, a good thing to do when it is

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<v Speaker 3>that low or where we have been better served had

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<v Speaker 3>we taken that extra revenue and maybe put it into

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<v Speaker 1>Great. Question comes up all the time here at this table,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure it's a quiz it important question. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I can show I can show you in a spreadsheet, Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>that the best thing we should all do is borrow

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<v Speaker 1>money against everything and always invested, and by the time

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<v Speaker 1>we're one hundred years old, we have a gigantic pile

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<v Speaker 1>of money. That's the mathematical answer, but it's obviously not

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<v Speaker 1>the human answer. So when you have this situation, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it always makes sense to invest as much as you can.

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<v Speaker 1>What I would encourage people to do is truly learn

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<v Speaker 1>how an amortized mortgage works. And that simply means go

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<v Speaker 1>look at understand the relationship between your payment and the

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<v Speaker 1>interest rate and how much goes to principle early in

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<v Speaker 1>the mortgage versus how much goes late. If you're ten

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<v Speaker 1>years into a fifteen year mortgage, you are paying very

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<v Speaker 1>very very very very little no matter what the interest

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<v Speaker 1>rate is. You are paying very little interest because you're

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<v Speaker 1>mostly paying principle, because you pay the interest and amortization exactly. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you paid it up front. Your first payment was ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent interest. Your last payment is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine percent principle. Everything else is somewhere in between.

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<v Speaker 1>So I am a big believer, and of course come

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<v Speaker 1>up with a financial plan, and first of all, see

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<v Speaker 1>what you need to do, and then once you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the basics covered, make these decisions based off of what

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<v Speaker 1>will make you feel most confident. If you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>my nest egg is a little low, I need more money,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fine, and your interest, your mortgage rate is reasonable,

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<v Speaker 1>then focus on the four one k. Put those extra

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a four one k and grown. Or if you

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<v Speaker 1>feel the opposite, you know what, I think, We're okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a good pile of money. I really want

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<v Speaker 1>to get this mortgage monkey off my back. That's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>pay it down more quickly. That's an emotional decision, not

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<v Speaker 1>so much a mathematical one, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I really really understood that when we

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<v Speaker 3>did it. But we were able to do the extra

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<v Speaker 3>payments because we were in a comfortable position. And I

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<v Speaker 3>got to think about being in debt, Brian, I really do.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's because of my Westside genetics,

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<v Speaker 3>but if I owe a human being a dollar, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to discharge that asap and that and just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of owning something outright just makes me feel

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<v Speaker 3>very comfortable, you know what I mean. It's a psychological thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It absolutely is. And here's a common situation that drives

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<v Speaker 1>us question. So when people are in their late fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>early maybe mid sixties and they still have a mortgage,

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<v Speaker 1>that's you usually about the age that if there's an

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<v Speaker 1>inheritance coming, then that's about when it's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So oftentimes people will have a wind fall. Now I've

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<v Speaker 1>now got one hundred grand available that I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't have a job. Should I invest it? Should

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<v Speaker 1>I pay off the mortgage or whatever? So, yes, those

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<v Speaker 1>wind falls tend to drive that decision. And again there's

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<v Speaker 1>a mathematical component to it. And I always let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with the math. Here's the impact of investing it versus

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<v Speaker 1>here's the impact of paying off all of your debt,

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<v Speaker 1>And then we can start to see here's the mathematical

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<v Speaker 1>impact that is known, it's black and white, it's in stone.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about how you will feel emotionally and psychologically

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<v Speaker 1>doing one versus the other. That is usually the answer.

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<v Speaker 1>As long as those basics are covered right.

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<v Speaker 3>And another a shout out for financial planners who are

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<v Speaker 3>working for you and have a fiduciary obligation. They will

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<v Speaker 3>break this down for you. You don't have to do it yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it's a critical thing for your future

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<v Speaker 3>to have a financial planner so you can have these

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<v Speaker 3>Brian James pause from them, and we're going to find

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<v Speaker 3>out with a problem we're facing here in America.

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<v Speaker 1>People are apparently pretty cash poor.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe some financial planning advice additional coming up next eight

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<v Speaker 3>A twenty nine if fifty gout KRCD talk station doing

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<v Speaker 3>that money Monday thing with all the financials, Brian James.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a financial planner, and maybe he can help

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<v Speaker 3>out some of the folks who are dealing with these struggles.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of heartbreaking, Brian, when you read how

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<v Speaker 3>many folks do not have money to cover, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>an expense that might pop up. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>live in paycheck to paycheck and even as the article

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<v Speaker 3>points out folks making six figures. I mean that sounds

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<v Speaker 3>to me like they maybe need to speak with someone

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<v Speaker 3>like you in financial planning. I don't know. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>living in these circumstances. But when you see it broken down,

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<v Speaker 3>you know somebody has a car repair, or medical bills

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<v Speaker 3>or a big one surprise expenses, which happened to literally

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<v Speaker 3>every human being. They're put in a bad place, and

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<v Speaker 3>quite often that's going to end up on a high

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. This is a real life example of fins to

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<v Speaker 1>the left. Fins to the right were surrounded by sharks.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you pointed out, it affects not only people

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<v Speaker 1>who just don't have a lot to put together, it

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<v Speaker 1>affects people who weren't paying attention. So here's two quick

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<v Speaker 1>examples that a client does. It's probably twenty five years ago. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was young and just getting started, client would

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<v Speaker 1>I forget with cash to go or whatever. Well, their

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<v Speaker 1>out and pay a ridiculous interest rate, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>would have to take money out of the IRA to

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<v Speaker 1>pay it off. So it took months to get them

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<v Speaker 1>to catch up and stop that process. Now, shortly after that,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a client that came to me from the

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<v Speaker 1>private client group of a bank I was working for,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was a doctor with an enormous amount millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars worth of cash flow, and he was paying

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<v Speaker 1>thirty some thousand dollars in overdraft fees just because he

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<v Speaker 1>never sat down to catch up on his own cash flow.

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<v Speaker 1>And when the rules changed the CFPB. That's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>other topic, but the CFPB came in and said the

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<v Speaker 1>banks can't do this anymore. The bank that I was

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<v Speaker 1>employed by was concerned about the revenue we were going

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<v Speaker 1>to lose because we couldn't do that to him anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Fins to the left, fins to the right. If there's

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<v Speaker 1>a need out there, there will be somebody out there

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<v Speaker 1>to fill it. But yes, you're right, this concern among

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people is resulting in these these payday

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<v Speaker 1>lenders and these subprime credit cards where fees are sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>go up to ninety percent of the principle payday loans

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<v Speaker 1>average cost of about thirty five percent. Yeah, there's abuse

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<v Speaker 1>out there, but people are still falling for it.

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<v Speaker 3>So in terms of a payday loan, they're gonna if

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you borrow us one thousand dollars, the payday

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<v Speaker 3>lender is going to get thirty five percent of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because if you are somebody who is forced into

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<v Speaker 1>the situation of going to a payday lender, then that

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<v Speaker 1>means you don't have anything else. You don't have anything

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<v Speaker 1>else you could use as collateral other than your next payday,

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<v Speaker 1>your next paycheck. So you walk into one of these

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<v Speaker 1>places and they have bulletproof glass for a reason, and

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<v Speaker 1>you want to and you basically provide proof of employment

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<v Speaker 1>with your past pay stubs, and you just basically tell

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<v Speaker 1>them you're gonna get my next paycheck it's gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>on this day. And they say, cool, here's a thousand bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, it's going to be thirteen fifty to

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<v Speaker 1>pay us back because that's the average cost of the

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<v Speaker 1>payday loan. But again, remember these are people who don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any other choice and feel forced into these situations.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always going to be somebody willing to bankroll that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not much different than paying the mafia protection money. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Now is there a best case option for folks who

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<v Speaker 3>find themselves in this position like, oh my god, you

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<v Speaker 3>know I got this three thousand dollars bill that I

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<v Speaker 3>had to pay was a medical expense or they needed

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<v Speaker 3>their roof repaired or car repaired? Is there an option

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<v Speaker 3>that it represents the best option for folks rather than

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<v Speaker 3>obviously something like a payday loan.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, So what I what I look at in situations

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<v Speaker 1>like this is you know what else could we borrow

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<v Speaker 1>it against? Is there? First off, maybe there's a credit

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<v Speaker 1>card out there that you've got in your arsenal that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a ridiculous interest rate. Maybe you have something

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<v Speaker 1>that's on a on one of those bonus upfront offering rates,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe you're getting those envelopes in your mailbox. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>wants to have more credit cards than we have to.

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<v Speaker 1>But if somebody is offering you zero percent for six

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<v Speaker 1>months or twelve months or whatever it is, then that

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<v Speaker 1>can be an opportunity to deal with this kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's not a choice, then maybe a home equity line.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wrote that down home equity can be yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's a great way. Interest rates are currently running

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<v Speaker 3>seven percent or whatever, so you figure home equity loans

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<v Speaker 3>probably going to fall into that lower single digit category.

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<v Speaker 3>If you've got equity in your home and you can

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<v Speaker 3>get your bank to could give you a home equity loan,

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<v Speaker 3>at least you're not paying thirty percent interest.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct Now, debt is debt. We don't want it. But

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<v Speaker 1>remember this shouldn't be a permanent situation anyway. If you

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<v Speaker 1>find yourself in this permanent situation of just always being behind,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's time for a ground to ceiling Florida ceiling

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<v Speaker 1>redo of all your finances. This is more like the

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<v Speaker 1>engine fell out at the bottom of the car and

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<v Speaker 1>I can't afford to buy a new one. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to pay the five grand or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is to put an engine back in the car.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something that makes perfect sense for a home equity

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<v Speaker 1>line of credit. And because yes, you should be able

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<v Speaker 1>to keep that interest rate within the single digit the

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<v Speaker 1>single digit range, which is helpful. But the other thing

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<v Speaker 1>I'd throw out is if you have one out there

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<v Speaker 1>and I've had this conversation recently with clients and you

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<v Speaker 1>want to pay it off, do so. Don't necessarily close

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<v Speaker 1>it because you never know how you're going to need

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<v Speaker 1>a pile of cash in the short run, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you are about to retire, keep that line open even

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<v Speaker 1>if it's paid off. It can be at zero even

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<v Speaker 1>just pay an annual fee or something, because it will

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<v Speaker 1>be harder to get one after you no longer have

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<v Speaker 1>w two income.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you get basically like a checkbook that draws against

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<v Speaker 3>your home equity.

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<v Speaker 1>Line of credit so correct or even a debit card

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<v Speaker 1>as well. It's very easy to use once you've got

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<v Speaker 1>it set up and then making the payments back. It

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<v Speaker 1>works like a credit card, look and feel like our

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<v Speaker 1>credit card. It's just you're borrowing against your house. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna borrow five thousand bucks against two hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars house, you're okay. If you're gonna borrow one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>grand against your two hundred thousand dollars house, maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>need to sit down and talk about what the real

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<v Speaker 1>problem is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you might want to hold off on that new

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<v Speaker 3>edition remodeling project at that particular time. Brian James appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>your sound financial advice and the suggestions you offer folks,

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<v Speaker 3>and for coming on the program every morning to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about every Monday to talk about it and I'll look

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<v Speaker 3>forward to next Money, another edition of Money Monday. And thanks,

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<v Speaker 3>as always to all with Financial for loading you out.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate the opportunity. We'll talk to you in a week.

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<v Speaker 3>Take care of Brian. It's a thirty five right now,

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<v Speaker 3>fifty five Krcity Talk station. Joking the opening up the

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<v Speaker 3>phone lines of the something specific you want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy to do that, but anyway, don't go well, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>This is fifty five karc an iHeartRadio station. Man, this

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<v Speaker 1>is Jeff
