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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Fred Green of Golf Smarter with our

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seventh installment of spring Back into Golf season with the

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late Tony Manzoni. This episode was published in twenty fourteen

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and podcasting still really hadn't caught on yet, so there

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wasn't a lot of competition between distributors at the time

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or know how to work the system. I'm pretty sure

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that was before I could schedule an episode to publish

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while I was on vacation. Now I can make sure

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that you never miss a week without a new episode,

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even when I'm away. So this episode was two weeks

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with Tony in one show episodes four hundred and thirty

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eight and four hundred thirty nine. So we packed a

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lot of information and a lot of topics into one

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long show, and it's a long one. It's over an

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hour now. Tony's book The Lost Fundamental is available on Amazon,

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and his DVD, which we converted to a private link online,

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is also available when you write to me. And for

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the most comprehensive information ever collected about Tony Manzoni, please

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go to Golfsmarter dot com. If you'd like to access

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that video, please write to me directly. Golf Smarter Podcast

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when you visit golfsmarter dot com.

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Speaker 2: For members only. Golf Smarter numbers four hundred thirty eight

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and four hundred thirty nine. Published on May twenty seven,

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twenty fourteen. This is two weeks where the episode's delivered

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it once. It's an hour long conversation, but luckily it's

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a podcast and you can listen as much or as

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little as you want. Starting right now, Ben Hogan's Secret

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Letter and The Loss Fundamental Short Game with Tony Manzoni.

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This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Tony, Hey, great to be back, Fred.

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Speaker 2: It's great to talk to you. Have you been well.

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Speaker 3: I had a little bit of a mishap. It's kind

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of funny in a way. I broke three bones of

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my right foot ankle by falling from a hill, hit

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a wet spot and slid downhill and body weight went

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forward and right leg didn't want to go forward and

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it snapped like a twig. So it's been a little setback,

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but other than that, life is really good. My golf

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team did well again. We won the twenty seventh Conference

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championship in a row, which is kind of crazy. Each year,

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I just shake my head. I don't know why it

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keeps happening, but it does.

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Speaker 2: Do you recruit these kids? Are they find you? I mean,

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you keep winning and winning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we get them from all over. This year we

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had a bunch of boys out of the country and

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some of them, yeah, some were really good players. And

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they're all coming back next year. But I always say

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to them, how did you find the College of the

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Desert from Belgium? But they go on the website and

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if you look at the website, you know our record

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really is really is sensational. And then the area that

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we'll end is such a beautiful area for golf. We

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go over one hundred golf courses, great weather, it's spring

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when we compete. We have a wonderful drive range on

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the facility. I'm a PGA member. I like to hope

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that part of them coming is my coaching, and the

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whole package is good for young person that really wants

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to get into golf in a serious way.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, guess details, Yeah, more details about the school

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where it is and so people can Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The name of the school is College of the Desert,

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it's in Palm Desert, California. It's a population of about

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ten thousand students. We have been rebuilding the college, built

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all kinds of new buildings and campus is fabulous. Of course,

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the weather in Palm desertgard to Cochello Valley is second

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to none, and especially in springtime. So it's just a

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marvelous place to come to. Uh. You know, we have

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a lot of we have the Coachella Fest and all

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kinds of activities for young people, but it's just a

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great place to live. I'm very lucky I left the

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Bay Area and you know, we we all know this

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is one of the greatest citas all all time, if

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not the greatest. Yeah, I do miss it, believe me.

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But but for me and golf and what I had

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wanted to accomplish, this is probably the best place I

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could have come to.

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Speaker 2: M Well, congratulations, you guys have just owned it. And uh,

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I think it's more of a testimony to to your teaching.

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Speaker 3: But even I hope it's part of it. For sure.

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I have I do have a formula that I use

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every year and it seems to be working out. And

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you know, the kids nowadays, you don't really have to

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teach much. When it comes to the apple, the movement

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of the swing, they're all pretty up to date, you know,

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they're all into rotation and connection and so forth. So

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it's not a hard sell. It's not like it was,

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let's say, fifteen years ago, where everybody was, you know,

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more of a hands and arm swinger opposed to body swinger.

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So that parts are really good.

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Speaker 2: Well. And we've also had tremendous success. Your book and

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the video actually the only place that really available on

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golf Smarter. And it's amazing to me what a phenomenal

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response you've received from the golf Smarter community.

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Speaker 3: It is amazing because you know, I'm you know, seriously,

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I'm a no name. I'm just a golf professional, although

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I think that i'm a pretty good teacher. And when

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we did the book, when we did the book, I

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did it kind of a friend and family and hoping

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that some people in golfing community would like it and

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accept it. And I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised.

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Thanks to your sight too, you have such a great

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group of people that are on your site all the time,

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so that's been a big plus for me, and I

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enjoyed a small success, so people out of the country

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by it, which is always kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: And all over the world.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. Well, let's talk about the book and what

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you cover and what your method is, because it's very effective.

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Speaker 3: It is a quick history. About fifteen twenty years ago.

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I had NFL walk in my office and tell me,

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would you like a copy of a letter that Ben

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Hogan wrote by explaining how to hit the driver? And

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also he has a film that was private film that

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he had taken and known I had actually seen him

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be home and swing, and you know, I almost jumped

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on his lap. So I read. The first thing I

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did is I read the letter, and the first thing

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I noticed was that Hogan stated, but on the top

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of the back swing, he has his weight shifts shifts

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to the instep of his left foot. And when I

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read it, I thought, well, I think he means the

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instep of his right foot, because that's what all traditional

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think he was. And then I went on to read

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the letter and that was really informative, and a lot

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of stick figure pictures and so forth. And then I

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watched the film, you know, and it was very obvious

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that he was staying on his left side. Throughout the backswing,

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it looked like he set up a little bit like

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side say sixty forty, and I think when you really

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center your head to the golf ball, you must be

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right side. I noticed that his right the right hip

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was aligned on the inside of his right foot, so

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that was his right side. And I just noticed that

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when he's slung, he rotated his shoulders around his pine

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and the shoulders really were more level than his earlier swings.

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playing off the left side. And the funny thing about

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that statement the left side, A lot of people say that,

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but they don't know what it means. It certainly isn't

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stack and tilt. A lot of people will say, oh,

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you teach sack untilt, and I don't. And I'm not

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speaking against stack and tilt. I just believe that the

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shoulders really don't tilt on the down swing. I believe

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they turn based on the way they were set up

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at the ball, because when they tilt, it really steepens

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the swing and the down swing and it also the

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hands must finish, must higher, and the body ends up

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in kind of what we used to call a seat position.

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do that a lot end up with lower back problems,

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as did most of the people from the era that

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I played in. So I believe in turning more level,

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as Hogan says, to turn the level left and posting

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up so that when you when you finish, your body

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is really more erect and your weight is really on

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the left side, and you're not your body isn't tilted back. Uh.

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So when I got all this information, I started applying

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it to some of the people that I taught, elderly

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people who their first complaint was I want to hit

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it farther. That seemed to be the number one chant

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that I got from everyone that I said, Well, what

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would you like to do in the golfing? I want

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to hit it farther. So I started working with this,

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and Holy mackerel, uh. Because I had them more on

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the left side, I can get them onto the total

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left side. I get them through the golf ball much

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easier than when they transferred their weight right and then

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back to the left. And I readily saw that there

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was a rationale for doing this. This wasn't a band aid,

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but this was really the way he did. And then

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going back into filming, you know, I saw the Palmers

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and the Nicholas's and all the greats. They had long careers,

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their head was very steady. They had did not move

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to the right in the back sleet. So little by

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little I started really buying into this. Then I got

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a call from al Geiberger, who is a resident here,

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and of course I'm a very famous golfer, mister fifteen nine.

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We call him and al said, you know, when I

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read your article in a golf magazine, local magazine, I

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thought you had flipped your wig, he said, but I

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started doing it with a fellow that was reversing his

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weight shift all the time. And he said it worked

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like a charm. I got him from falling back to

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the right side and he is now finishing and hitting

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the ball. You know, really really great. And then I

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to that left side like I used to. And he

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said it works like a charm. So that was the

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kind of the catalyst in the history of how I

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it just like everybody else I was taught. You know,

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timing element there because you've got to make a little

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lateral slide and then rotate. And this eliminates that lateral

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side slide. So then everyone that I taught, so you know,

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you need to write this in some kind of a

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book for him so other people can see it. And

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I'm the elbow, I mean, my ego pretty hard there.

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So I wrote that little bit arioto, small little book,

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as you know, but I think it's concise. And I

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have done this now since today I got that letter.

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I have been continuous. I have never stopped doing this.

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anyone say I can't do it this way, I can't

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hit it this way. I think this is wrong. Not

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one and I would tell you even if there was one,

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a lot of guests, by the way, come from your

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lesson from me, and I must say that I got

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love letters from them after.

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Speaker 2: M I've received those letters as well. I've had people

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in the golf Smarter community right to me from all

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who have come to Palm Desert in the Palm Springs

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area in southern California to take lessons with you and

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were just just so happy of the results.

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Speaker 3: It really has been astounding, and you can only thank

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mister Hogan because he was really the one that I

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like most people, I was embarrassed to say, what do

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you mean by that? But then after I got into this,

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I certainly understood what he was talking about, and no

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true statement can be made. The thing I love about

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it is that I get women that have started to

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play golf later in years and also men, and they've

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taken a couple of lessons they and I say, well,

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you know, you're really finishing your sway it. My protone

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is shift my weight, but I just can't do it.

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And I explained to that, I said, the reason you

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can't is because your body's in the wrong position. At

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the top of the E're in a place where there's

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no way, no place to go but the hit off

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of the right foot. Throw your arms at the ball

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and just hope that your hands square instead of roll

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over and closer, are stay open. And that's why a

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lot of people, you know, they slice the ball and

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then they pull a ball and now they don't know

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where to go. And it's just primarily because they've put

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the responsibility of scoring the clubt with the hands and arms,

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and that is tenulous at best. When you do this system,

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you set up to the ball and you create your

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triangle your arms and you set to the golf ball.

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You rotate your right shoulder behind your neck, so there's

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no movement to the right. What you're doing is displacing

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your weight behind your spine, and in doing that, the

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right hip and right shoulder go behind you, and you

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actually add a little bit more weight to the left side.

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The right arm folds into its throat position simultaneously as

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a right shoulder turns, so it's a real simple move.

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You're not trying to take it back low or do

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all these things that we've been talked about are cockterist here.

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Don't talk to rists here. You just take that try

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and go back with the rotation of your right side

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behind you and let the right arm fold naturally, and

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that sets the club and it's in your throw position.

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Because everybody's in a little different position. If I give

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you a baseball, say throw thread, you might throw it

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from a little different position above your shoulder or below

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your shoulder than I would, and we're all subject to that.

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So it's ludicrous to tell someone I don't say that

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you have to put the club here, because here it

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doesn't exist. It's depending on their anatomy. And then the

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next part of it is I don't get involved with

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where the club is at the top in the sense

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of is my wrist flat or is my wrist cup

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the natural hinging of the risk occurrent. Some people it

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flattens a little bit, some people it stays cupped. It

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really matters is word's impact. And I find that, you know,

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Halging cupped his wrists like crazy, but it impacts his

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risks were flat, And I think that's really not a

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part of manipulation of the hands. I think that's part

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of getting the left side out of the way, keeping

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the left arm connected across the chest. And let me

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say this, no matter who you are, if you're right

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handed golfer, when you take the club back, your left

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arm goes across your chest. So that's not some trickery.

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That's the only way you can move. And when that

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left arm goes across the chest, it connects. It connects

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on top of the pectoral muscle of your left side

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of your chest. That's that's where true connection is. So

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when you take that club back, the right arm folds,

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that left arm is stretched across the chest. Where that chest,

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where that left arm is is setting, is where it

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must stay. On the first move of the That's why

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a lot of people used to put a headcover under

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their arm pit or a handkerchief, and that was to

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keep that left arm from coming down immediately in the downswing.

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Because once you do that, you are now subject to

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what your arms can do. You've left your body behind.

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So all this stuff about dropping the hands first, I mean,

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I'm not saying that you can't do that, but for

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the average person, they drop their hands first, they're going

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to just pull their arms down and they're going to

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either hit it behind the ball or hit it fin

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and if they're lucky, they're going to hit it in

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the air. But they're not going to hit it with

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any force because they're only using their arms. They have

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eliminated their core. Or when you take the club back

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correctly across the chest and then you wrote you start

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a rotational movement, or as you're doing the opposite of

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what you do on the backsley, you turned on a

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single axis, which is your left side, and then you

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rotate around that axis and that arm stays there. Eventually

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their right arm straight is the club hits the ball.

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And then as you rotate to the left, and you

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must have a club follows you back to the left

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and the left un fold. It's just like the right

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armfold on the right side. So it's a really simple

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It's a simple, simple move. And I have people that

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come to me that are, you know, ones and two handicaps,

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thirty handicaps, and they always say, what do I have

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to worry about this? Don't I have to worry about it?

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I said, no, you're hitting the ball great, aren't you. Yeah,

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I says, golf is like every other sports. There's a

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domino effect. You you make the correct move here, a

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bunch of good moves happen, you get in the wrong position.

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I don't care who you are, you're going to have

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a tough time with the game.

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Speaker 2: I get frequent questions from listeners asking me about the

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book and the DVD that you have offered and want

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to know your response. Which is better for them to

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I always say, just buy both. But when somebody wants to,

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when somebody wants to study more of the Lost Fundamental

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which the name of the book and the DVD which

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are both available, and our golfer smart goolf smarter dot com,

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tell me the difference from your perspective of what those

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two have to offer.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that we all learn differently. Some people

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like to see it and some people can when they

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read it, they can see it. You know, I personally

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love the book because I can go back and I

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can put in the yellow marks where I well, I

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think it's important. I think because I forget myself. Believe me.

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You know, there's a science to this, and even in

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a simplicity, the sequence has to be correct. And when

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I hit a ball fan or fat, I know that

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I first of all didn't get past the ball. And

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that's one of the one of the things that I

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hear all the time. Stay behind the ball, Stay behind

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the ball. There's no sport that I know where you

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don't move through impact when you throw a punch, when

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you hit a tennis ball. You have baseball, there's a

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movement forward. Now it isn't a straight line movement, but

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there's a movement past the ball. For sure. You got

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to end up on your left side, so you're rotating

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around that axis. But pass the ball. You want your

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right shoulder and right hip to go past the golf ball.

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You don't want to keep it behind. And that's again

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what I see on the drive range all the time.

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You see people end up with their swinging still back

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on the right right foot. And there's a couple of

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guys on tour that I won't mention that if they

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understood this and got over a little bit and address

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on the left side, they wouldn't be hitting off that

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right side and all of a sudden hit it a

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fairway left or fairly right, which they still continue to do.

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And these are unbelievable golfers that have so much talent

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and do it every day. Think about the average guy,

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our gal. They don't put that much time and they

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don't have the physical attributes that these people have, so

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how the heck are they to go play the game.

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And that's why the score has primarily stayed the same

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for men and women. With all this technology, new ball,

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all this stuff, his course is still really, really high.

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Speaker 2: I've always had a wrist hinge issue with my left hand.

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I'm right handed, but my wrist is hinged. I'm just

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starting to get it under control here, but I've always

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found that what the impact it had on me was

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that my club face would be open at impact. And

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so the.

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Speaker 3: Ball most people roll, yeah, most people roll, or it

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comes with the right hand grab. They roll the club open. Okay.

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Now that's a compensation that has to be dealt with

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on the dolls wing. So you got to roll the

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club closed. And who can roll it open and close

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it and get it right back to where they started

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as they're moving. It's seventy eighty miles an hour with

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a club club that speak. I mean, it's just it's

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all silly to think you can. So most people that

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roll it open and then close it hook the ball.

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In fact, that that's how a lot of people when

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they want to look the ball of fan it and

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then close it and they'll get a little drawer or

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close it coick to make it go on corner. The

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correct way I believe is that when you when you

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hold the close in your hands, your right your left

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wrist should be bent and your right wrist should be flat. Okay,

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And what you want to do is you want to

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move that position at least past your right leg in

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the backswing, and you move it with the turning of

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your shoulders which swings the arms back. Now, if you

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do that, if you do that, if you can get

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past that and just let the natural occurrence happen. What

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will happen is that the right wrist will go back

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a little bit and fold down like you're holding plates.

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Depind on how much how much flexibility you have on

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there is, and the left wrist will flatten a bit.

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It may it may only hinge like you're hinging a

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club towards your nose up and down. May hinge, or

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it may flatten a little bit. And then again it

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depends on the way you have your hands on the club,

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flexibility of versts and so forth. Remember the backswing, it's

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just it's just the point where you're changing directions. So

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it's not you take the club up to a spot

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and stop and start. That's just you know. It also

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is a continuous move. But to start the club back,

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you need to start back slow. It has to have

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a rhythm, but it has to be slow because if

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you start fast, two things occur. You're going to grab

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it with the right hand and you're going to pull

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it right wrist back. You're going to bring that club

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back to the inside too soon. That's number one and

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number two. When you have a fast back swing, you're

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always going to have a short backswing. Those two go together.

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So if you want to hit it a long ways,

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you have to have a why swing, and you have

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to have take time. As I tell people, if you're

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going to shoot an arrow with a bowl, you got

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to pull that bowl all the way back. There's a

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time period to do that. So you see people with

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these real short, fast swings. They hit it nowhere. And

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that's the majority of people are playing because they're not

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sure what they want to do, so they get quick,

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they get it over with.

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Speaker 2: How would you advise someone to change their tempo and

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be conscious of it. I have a friend that I've

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been playing with. I've have a friend that I've been

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playing with for years that stands over the ball for

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almost forty seconds. He just stares at the ball and

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then all of a sudden, if you blinked, you miss

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the entire swing. It is so fast, and he can't

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understand why he doesn't get better, and it's like, dude,

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slow down.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, first of all, he needs to he needs

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to have a pre shot routine. Whe starts from behind

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the ball and then he goes to the golf but

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looks at the target, looks back at the ball, and

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as he's doing that, he's aligning himself and calming himself down.

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And then to start the temple. A good A good

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way to start the temples. Start with like your right

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knee kind of a kick in. It just kicks kind

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of in like a forward press. But you really want

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your body to set the temple. You don't want your

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hands and arms to set the temple because they'll get

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out of position immediately. These they'll get they'll get across you,

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and your chest has moved. And now when your chest

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turns and your shoulders turned, your club's going to go

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way inside. So the sequence has to be a more

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one piece. Now, you know, I don't mind if the

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club hit moves a little early, a little first, but

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I like to feel as if I set the temple

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with the sternal of my chest. Some people like to

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set the temple with their shoulders, but for God's sakes,

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you can't set the temple with your hands because you'll

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start slow and then you'll quick you'll you know, yank

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it back because you'll it just doesn't feel right. You've

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got to do this like you're winding up your body

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and not just taking your arms back. And that's the

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00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,519
I think that's a good thought. Is that a slow

479
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,200
wind of the body so that you can really get coiled,

480
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,359
and now you've got some room to create momentum on

481
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:06,960
the down slid.

482
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: How do you create the tempo or set the tempo

483
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:12,640
from your sternum?

484
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:16,839
Speaker 3: Well, I think about I think about my chest turning. Okay,

485
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,279
So I just think the center of my chest. So

486
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,079
I connect my arms and so my arm. Imagine that

487
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,920
my chest is a picture and my two arms are

488
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,519
a frame of that picture. I try to keep that

489
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:33,519
picture the chest between those two arms, okay, And so

490
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:38,000
I focus on that picture, and I'm using this analogy

491
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,519
because it's my picture. You know, other people might use

492
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:44,279
their nose. I don't know, but I use that, and

493
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,559
so I try to keep that picture inside that frame

494
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,240
as I turn. So in doing so, I'm taking the

495
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:54,359
address position and I'm moving it to the right of me.

496
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,759
And then of course they're the right arm poles and

497
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:02,079
puts club in my throat position. But that's my process

498
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,480
because I've always been fast. I've been a Lanny Watkins

499
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:09,839
kind of backswing. And you know, if you have the

500
00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:12,039
challenge at landing Watkins, you can get away with it.

501
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,319
But I certainly don't, and most people don't. So what happens, serily,

502
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:17,759
you pull that baby aside too much.

503
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: You mentioned about putting the club head cover under your

504
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:24,759
arm made me think about I don't know if he's

505
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:26,640
a disciple of yours, but I know he's a fan

506
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,039
of yours. And that's Martin Chuck of Tour Striker out

507
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:34,359
of Arizona. He's been on the show multiple times and

508
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,400
he developed the Tour Striker Club and now he has

509
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,519
a new product that this little inflatable ball that you

510
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,759
can either deflate it and put under your arms, or

511
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,039
when you inflate it, you hold it between your arms

512
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:52,440
so that they stay connected, right, And he talks about

513
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,000
he's been on the show multiple times, and he talks

514
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:58,839
about you and your methods.

515
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know, Martin, it's really funny. I was a

516
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,079
member of I was giving an honorary membership at a

517
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,480
club that Martin was an end proat here in the desert,

518
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:12,359
and you know, I always try to stay away out

519
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,880
of the way of the pro shop and all that,

520
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,640
because I found a little guilty. I was paying any duds,

521
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,200
I was paying any membership fees. So I was always

522
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,240
the back of the arrangement I played. And this happened

523
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:23,799
late in my life. You know, I saw I wasn't

524
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,720
a great player or anything. Martin and I liked Martin

525
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,119
very much, really a gentleman, a really nice young guy.

526
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,559
But at that time we didn't really get social because

527
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:34,640
I always, like I said, I always felt like, I

528
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,119
hope he doesn't think I'm going to be trying to

529
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,160
give lessons out here, or I'm after his job or

530
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,279
anything like that, because a want of pros feel that way.

531
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,519
Martin has. It turned out didn't have that kind of

532
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:47,000
thought in his mind. But one day he asked her

533
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,519
if I would play in a junior senior event with him,

534
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,440
and I said sure, but part of me said, oh, man,

535
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,160
I don't want to shoot eighty because, like I say,

536
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,640
this is end of my golf career. So we com

537
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,759
paired with two of the best player in Southern California.

538
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,640
One guy's going on the tour, one guy just got

539
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,559
off the senior tour. That was there's team against us.

540
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,200
We started the first one, we tied them, but they

541
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,759
had blasted their balls out there fifty yards past both

542
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:17,480
of us, and then we had started. It was a

543
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:20,440
shot to the event. We started on the ninth hole

544
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:25,240
and then it was like a crazy thing. I made

545
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,440
a birdie and ten and eleven, Part twelve, Birdy thirteen,

546
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,640
Part fourteen had a whole in one in fifteen Birdy sixteen. Yeah,

547
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,880
and I shot like twenty nine or twenty eight on

548
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,279
the back. Then, Oh, I said, what are you doing

549
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:45,119
out here? Martin? Somebody should put up a plaque right

550
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:49,559
now because a miracles occurring. Well, anyway, long story short,

551
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,759
I think I shot one under on the back and

552
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,680
Martin shot two or three under on the on the

553
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,920
other side, I should say, and we win the tournament going.

554
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:02,400
I mean, it was just it wasn't even a contest.

555
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,400
The two guys were playing with the looks on their faces.

556
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:09,200
Was at wish I had that picture because of this

557
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:12,519
classic as they figured, you know, especially on the first

558
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:15,160
roll of the droll it out there about three ten

559
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:18,640
each and we're out there about two sixty. You know, well,

560
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,599
we're going to get rid of these guys real quick.

561
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,640
Is to turn off. We love the tournaments, so, you know,

562
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:27,359
Martin and I we've laughed about that that tournament and

563
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,279
the only time we ever played together. Okay, and we've

564
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,119
never really talked about the golf swing, but I watch

565
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:38,160
revolutionary golf every now and then, and Martin's on there, yeah,

566
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:43,039
and are on your site, and we talked the same language.

567
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,920
We believe it the same thing. And as ironic as

568
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,960
this is is I had to see Martin for years.

569
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,519
I went to Lake Tahoe last summer with my gal

570
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,480
and one of my clients golong to a golf course

571
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,000
up there, and when I walk in Gus Jones, who

572
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,039
I know very well from the desert as an anttro

573
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,759
and Martin Jeff is a teaching prone I just about

574
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,200
fell over. So we had a big laugh over there.

575
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,480
But he's a great guy, really, a very very fine golfer.

576
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,720
I mean, and you know, if you want to watch

577
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,640
one of the golf singers, look at what he's doing

578
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,759
and that tour striker and that he created his genius.

579
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:21,079
It really is do.

580
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,279
Speaker 2: You like that? Do you like that product? And what

581
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:26,039
it how it teaches you to come down on the ball.

582
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure I like him. And the only thing

583
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,440
is I will say that it's for the average guy.

584
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,960
It's very hard because the average guy doesn't do it right,

585
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,559
doesn't get you know, it doesn't He's got that handle

586
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,039
behind the club, he had the impact, so the head's

587
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,039
coming up, so he stopped and he get the bowl airborne,

588
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,880
and I must say, the first time I did it,

589
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,000
I just shot it down the about a foot off

590
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,680
the ground about what you know. But then al Geiberger

591
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:54,359
was the first one that had had one, and he

592
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,880
brought it over and he says, you got to try this,

593
00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:00,319
and then then after you know, my correct wink, can

594
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,319
I start getting the ball here? And I thought, God,

595
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:05,200
this is terrific, and you know it must be a

596
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,640
good product trillion.

597
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's having fun with that. I'm curious to go

598
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,599
back to this, this tournament that the two of you

599
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,839
played together, because recently in a conversation UH with Mark

600
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,680
Brody about Every Shot Counts his book, and we were

601
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,440
talking about golf metrics and how he's saying that statistics

602
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,960
show that the drive for show put for doe is

603
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,160
actually backwards. That you really if you hit the ball

604
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,400
longer and farther, you're gonna have lower scores. I should

605
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,880
say longer and straighter, you're gonna have lower scores because

606
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,839
you're you're coming into the green with shorter irons, which

607
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:53,960
are gonna, you know, increase your chances of hitting the green.

608
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:58,680
What was the key? What is it about you guys

609
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,960
not hitting the ball far, but okay, you got a

610
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,160
hold one. But what is it that that beat them?

611
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,000
And what can we learn from that?

612
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,359
Speaker 3: What really happened? Uh? I kind of after the really

613
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,200
after the first tea shot, which was a it was

614
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:22,440
mediocre at best, I kind of felt something. Uh it

615
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:26,440
was like a little precock position and address. And I

616
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,640
don't know how things happened. And I started because I

617
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,440
was playing from the senior teas. I started keeping it

618
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,559
up with this fellow and on occasion even doctor Passon

619
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,799
and and I think I rattled them a little bit

620
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:44,640
because you know, on the first first tee shot he

621
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,799
got me by at least with few arms, So that

622
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,839
was part of it. And then my iron plate just

623
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,000
got stupid good. I was just drilling it in there,

624
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,759
and I mean I was laughing, truthfully, laughing to myself,

625
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:03,240
like when is this bubble gonna bursts? And just to

626
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:07,799
think about this, going holding one birdie Okay, yeah, I

627
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:13,239
mean usually you go hold one triple bogie excited, but

628
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,960
it just, you know, I guess I kind of got

629
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,280
out of my own way and it was an overdrive

630
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,800
when I got that feeling that no matter what I did.

631
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,440
It was going to be good. And you know that

632
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:27,719
they call that the zone. But you know, you know,

633
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,039
I have a fifteen or twenty foot put bam in

634
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,920
the whole ten foot plug bam, and the whole five

635
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,039
foot plug baman. It just it just just they just

636
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:38,039
went crazy. And then when I got a little bit

637
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:41,119
conscious of it, you know, and you shoot under thirty uh,

638
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,320
and then went to the other side. I had started

639
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,159
with a power. I had eight holes to go. I

640
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,079
had a tough time because I was conscious. I wanted

641
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:54,119
to shoot some you know, your ego gets so going

642
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,760
out of proportion. Uh. So you know, like I said,

643
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,639
I think I was one under or something like that.

644
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,800
But that one night was magic. It was just I thought,

645
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,960
this is what it must feel like. Could be Tied

646
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,440
Woods or whoever you because you know, it was just simple.

647
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:14,119
It was just absolutely simple. Getting back to what you

648
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,440
said about something, I'd like to bring something up from

649
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,119
my past years ago. I was training some ladies on

650
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:24,519
the LPGA when I was at Mission Hills, and I

651
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,360
mean because they had the craft of the Bisco at

652
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,880
that time, and I became a big fan of ladies

653
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,519
golf because I saw how great they hit the golf ball,

654
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:36,880
but they couldn't hit it very far compared to a man.

655
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,639
And I started thinking about it way way back when

656
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,119
they had a tournament. I can't even remember that there

657
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,360
was a man and a woman against a man and

658
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,679
a woman. So just for the fun of it, I

659
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,559
started using the computer and looking at the distance. And

660
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:56,400
women hit the drive and also the second shot. And

661
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:59,960
when I looked at what the ladies tour was, hardly anybody.

662
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,639
I was reaching power five two and they were hitting

663
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:06,960
long irons and sometimes ferry was to the par fours

664
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,960
where the men were hitting drives eight iron, seven irons

665
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,960
right in there all the time, and the long hitters

666
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,159
were brought away with the power four as you drive

667
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:17,519
and ledge. So I compiled a distance advantage that I

668
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:21,000
thought men women should have over men, and I wanted

669
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:24,800
to set up men tournament, I mean a livemen against

670
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,760
men tournament. And we came up with seventy five yard distance.

671
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,440
And I knew Sandra Palm and some of the gals

672
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,880
from the Dabisco. They had told him about it, and

673
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,519
we went over to a golf course and at that

674
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:40,559
time I could pop it out there three hundred yards plus,

675
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,920
so I played from the back tees and then I

676
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,000
moved the girls up seventy five yards and we hit

677
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,400
our t shots. Said well, heck, they were still ahead

678
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,119
of me even if I busted it, because they needed

679
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:54,119
to be because they needed to hit cbs going to

680
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:55,360
hit an eight R and I hit an eight air

681
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,480
and at that time about one sixty five seventy they

682
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:00,800
would have to be They would have to be able

683
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,400
to hit hey from their distance probably about like one

684
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,880
fifty here one forty five, so they needed that distance

685
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,639
advantage also the second shot. So it worked out great,

686
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,559
and we played nine holes and they shot. They were all,

687
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,360
you know, five under, and they, you know, very excited,

688
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,639
thirty one thirty twos for you know about thirty six.

689
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:26,800
So I got some people interested in my concept and

690
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,639
they said, well, we'll fund that. It's culinary work. Reginie

691
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,119
and I went to the PGA with the idea. I'm trying.

692
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,960
I can't think of the name of the guy. Then

693
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,000
there's a good player. He was an attorney with glasses,

694
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:43,719
and he immediately said, no, we would never do that

695
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,199
because you know, we have nothing in the game. So

696
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,800
I came back with my tail between my legs and

697
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,199
I met with Commissioner Revolpi, who was a commissioner for

698
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,760
the LPGA at the time, and we talked about it

699
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,440
and said, well, there is one chance we could do

700
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,000
the thing in December when there is no tour. We

701
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:06,320
could do it like an old tourk dance. We'll have

702
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,199
the gals invite the guys. So my friends that were

703
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,159
sponsoring the thing in the Hotel Workers Union, they got

704
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:17,480
the Dual Country Club and we had the gals invite boys.

705
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,519
Sider Palmer invited Arnold Palmer, and anyway, we had Trevino Palmer,

706
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:26,559
we had everybody, and we did this tournament and it

707
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:29,320
was there also success didn't have it on regular television,

708
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,760
had on PBS, but you know, everybody really enjoyed the event.

709
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,559
But they didn't play men against women, but they did

710
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:41,159
give the gals a seventy five yard dis stands. The

711
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:43,679
second year, Frank Sinnotra, who I knew very well. So

712
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,719
I'd like to sponsor that tournament and I'll bring a

713
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,840
Stayers Roebuck in. But she did, and you know, long

714
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,159
story short, just before the tournament was going to be announced,

715
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,960
the stress Annountras mom Lew was in a jet plane

716
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,280
just go see him in Vegas and they flew right

717
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,320
into the Santa Rose and mountains here in the desert.

718
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,920
She died and he had to back out of the tournament,

719
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,159
and of course Sears went with him. So there I

720
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,159
am now, and I spent more money than I had

721
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,599
trying to promote this thing and make the appearance of success.

722
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,280
You know, fancy card closed. So because I was meeting

723
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:28,400
with the Actors Equity, which was one of misters charities

724
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,800
and for actors that are now on their luck, they

725
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,599
either pay for their medical bills or so far. Well,

726
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,039
when I got the word from mister stops people that

727
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,159
you know, he couldn't announce obviously, you know, with mom died,

728
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:48,360
calling LPGA got the tournament with the PGA and they

729
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,079
had waiting in the Wayne's hands, uh J C. Penny's

730
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,519
and that's why of them became a JAC Kenny's Mixed

731
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,800
Team Championship and out of I think they played somewhere

732
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,760
in Florida Hampound or something like that, and it was

733
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,679
on TV for about fourteen years and everybody said, well,

734
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:06,440
you got to sue, that was your idea and you

735
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:08,840
have all the paperwork, and I said, look, I was

736
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,599
trying to promote ladies going. I don't give a damn

737
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:15,840
about suing anybody I feel like I got. I should

738
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,360
have been giving a pad on the back or a

739
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,039
goal watch or something. But the key thing that the

740
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:23,840
key thing that I was bringing this up about it

741
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,440
is not so much I lost the term and everything,

742
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:30,119
but the disparity between men and women's golf is distance.

743
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:34,800
It's not ability. Believe me when I tell you the

744
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,880
gals can hit the hell out of the golf battle

745
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:39,880
and they can. I think there's a few gals out

746
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,840
there that I'll put against the men and putting any day.

747
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,119
But you can't overcome the distance. And you know, when

748
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:50,519
Michelle Wee was coming out when she's fourteen and doing

749
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,559
so well, when people were saying she's going to go

750
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,880
on the tour, they interviewed me and I said, look,

751
00:40:55,639 --> 00:41:00,280
you know, I can go lift weights for ten years

752
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,199
and then you put me in a cage where a

753
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:05,440
bear or a lion or or whatever, and they're gonna

754
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,760
tear me apart. And that's that's nature and yellow. The

755
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,039
show's a wonderful little gallagy. It's all really good at going.

756
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,800
She can't compete with a man. We don't don't, don't

757
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,400
be stupid. That's all that, all that garbage, and I

758
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,199
think the people that were pushing that hurt her. They

759
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:25,840
put a lot of pressure in the girl and I

760
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,719
so I have to see her playing great golf again.

761
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:34,880
But there's a there's a distance difference. And when you

762
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,400
say is there an advantage and love, sure there is,

763
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:40,519
of course there is. If I've got an eight iron

764
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:42,719
into the green, you've got foreign and the breed, we're

765
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:45,800
somewhat the same. I'm gonna beat your brains up. It's

766
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,000
just because well it's just it's just science. I mean,

767
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,199
it's just math. It's an easier shot. So you're absolutely

768
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,719
right when you say that does mean something. But distances

769
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,199
it everything. And that was proved the year when we

770
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:05,039
were in the regional championship. I had a boy that

771
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,119
could need a three forty or fatigue with no doubt.

772
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:10,719
But we played a real tight little golf course where

773
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:13,760
you can't hit driver. They just look the designer and

774
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,239
just love you to hit drivers that you could not

775
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,119
head out of bounds. And that's exactly what happened to me.

776
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,559
I don't want only three drivers out of bounds. So

777
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:24,639
that's craziness. There is a point where you have to

778
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:26,960
look at what the what the hole is and then

779
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,920
you have to say, Okay, this is what I must do.

780
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:31,239
I'm going to take double and triple and all that

781
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,199
out of play. By doing this, that's managing yourself on

782
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,719
the golf course. That's what I try to teach by players.

783
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,719
Sometimes they listens and sometimes they don't. The distance is

784
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,920
an advantage to a point.

785
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: So now on the women's tour, we have an eleven

786
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:57,079
year old who's making headlines.

787
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that crazy? What's wonderful? Action, It's really wonderful.

788
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: Tell me what you know about her and what you've

789
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:06,840
seen and what your thoughts are about someone who can

790
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,360
compete at that level at that age.

791
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,079
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I saw that she had one of

792
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:14,920
the pitch and put things, or was one of the

793
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,719
winners at Augusta, and it turns herround and gets on

794
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,239
the tour august in a, qualified for the US opening,

795
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,880
makes it for the ladies. It doesn't surprise me. Fair.

796
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,039
I've got a fifteen year old by the mayor, June

797
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:32,239
Jang that found my video. I started her when she

798
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,880
was a little past twelve, and recently she played in

799
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,599
a major event in it was called a silver Bell event,

800
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,559
I think in Phoenix somewhere, and she shot seventy four,

801
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:50,519
sixty four, seventy against twenty six year olds. And just

802
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:55,599
recently she played in the Golf Week magazine tournament. The

803
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:58,639
previous year's years shot sixty seven seventy one to win it,

804
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,840
and this year shot seventy five with a triple part

805
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,199
five which she tried to go into when there's water

806
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,760
on both sides, and she learned a good lesson. But

807
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,559
then she came back with sixty eight and she said, coach,

808
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:13,280
I had ery green, and she said, I missed so

809
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,400
many puts. I could add fifty nine today. And it

810
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,159
wouldn't shock me if she said, Coach, I shot fifty

811
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,239
nine a day. That's how good these kids are nowadays.

812
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,920
What they're doing is what it used to take us

813
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,800
ten years. They're compressing that into a year because they're

814
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,440
practicing every single day. They got a wedge or a

815
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,320
putter in their hand all the time. They're not thinking

816
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,960
about they're not thinking about music, par dos, nothing. All

817
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,559
they're thinking about is how to get that ball in

818
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,400
the hole. There's a mindset out there with a lot

819
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,280
of young kids that just love the sport. But it's

820
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,920
like what happened when the Beatles came out. Every mom

821
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,119
and dad wanted to give their kid to get the

822
00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:01,239
guitar to learn it because they saw a chance for fame.

823
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,079
And I think that's what's happening. Young people are starting

824
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:08,280
to really discover golf. And you know, you're like a

825
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,079
rock star. For God's sakes, if you're really good in golf,

826
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:13,280
Here here a star. You know we see in the

827
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,360
men's store. Well, the same thing is going to happen

828
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,039
to women's. But the women's will never be as popular

829
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:21,280
as men's because that's just how life is. But but

830
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,400
if you want to see quality golf, watch of women play.

831
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,679
It's it's it's unbelievable. Uh. And and they're and they're

832
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,159
and they're a getting longer. And when you read these

833
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:35,440
stories about eleven year olds making it's just great for golf,

834
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:39,800
and women's golf especially, but more importantly it's great for juniors.

835
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:43,039
For a kid they see my god, and eleven year

836
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,920
old make it, Mom, get me a wedge by me

837
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:48,760
said clubs. Uh, you know, we know that it takes

838
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,159
a lot of hard work, and you have to be

839
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,679
a special training of person to get it all the

840
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,679
way to the tour. But it's still this is such

841
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:58,199
a great sport. It's such a great sport for a kid.

842
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,960
It's a lifelong sport. Teaches us so many great lessons.

843
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:03,800
And hey, every now and then, out of a batch

844
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,480
of kids, you get one that's so special. And June

845
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:09,559
is to me. I mean, she's like, she's like my daughter.

846
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,599
I mean, I just adore her and she is such

847
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,800
a hard worker. Uh. I had a couple of big

848
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,440
universities called I can't I don't want to mention their names,

849
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:24,519
but they're already looking at her, and she's a sophomore fantastic.

850
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:27,639
So it didn't surprise me. I mean it did a

851
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,840
little bit, but I didn't say, oh my god, that's

852
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,519
not impossible, because it is possible when you when you

853
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:34,840
go to some of these a j g as, the

854
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,559
events and some of the things that the PGA does

855
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:41,239
and those those they should be so thank for doing that,

856
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:44,000
and you see the talent that's out there, it's just

857
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:46,400
it's mine. It's mine, Bob. I've got a seven year

858
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,400
old and I'm teaching right now, and I want to

859
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,800
tell you something he got he's got corrected also, and

860
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,440
is anybody on tour? I mean it's when I say

861
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,199
it's perfect, it's perfect. And he beats the ball out

862
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,920
there way farther than a seven year old. Shit it

863
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:03,239
And where's he what's he going to be doing when

864
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,239
he's fifteen and sixteen if he continues this and all

865
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,000
he can think about it he watches the golf channel.

866
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:14,599
He doesn't watch SpongeBob. It's crazy, you know, it's crazy,

867
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,559
and I love it. I mean, I just love it.

868
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:19,199
Speaker 2: So the fifteen year old, if I'm not mistaken, is

869
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,440
it June Jang.

870
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:25,639
Speaker 3: Jane Jang, And she's on my video and the swing

871
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:29,360
that he had is tighter and better than it was then.

872
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,639
It was pretty down good bed.

873
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: Because you, yeah, at the end of twenty thirteen, you

874
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,079
sent me a couple of video clips of her swing

875
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,599
and I will definitely put those up on the blog

876
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,920
post with this show. But you also sent me the

877
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,719
video of the seven year old boy what's his name?

878
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:52,960
Ivan Tran, Ivan Tran, Okay, I'll put I'll put those

879
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:55,960
up so people can see what you're talking about, because yeah,

880
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,519
I interesting, there's short there's short videos. They're real quick.

881
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:01,039
It's just the you know, kid swing, but you'll have.

882
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:03,079
Speaker 3: To do you just look at the swing. You say,

883
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:06,079
Holy Macro, how the heck did he do that? And

884
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:09,320
in Iran's case, I can't take credit for the swing

885
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:14,360
because he watched the golf channel and copied it. And

886
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,400
so when his dad came to me and said, would

887
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,800
you help my son? And I han't seen him at

888
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,840
the ball in the range because every time he comes

889
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,480
out there he draws a crowd. I said, well, I said,

890
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,320
you've done a great job with him. He said, he

891
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,039
won't listen to me anymore. I crashed up seventy years

892
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:32,840
old ago. But the truth is the dad doesn't play

893
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,840
golf and the kid knows that. So I had such

894
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:41,000
I mean, I want to tell you something. I would

895
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:43,119
pay to give this kid lessons. And I don't charge

896
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,239
I don't charge kids, but I would pay to give

897
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,800
this little kid lessons because it's just looking at a

898
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,840
phenomenon in the future. I mean, this kid's going to

899
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,920
do something in golf, is going to be crazy. And

900
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:58,800
he puts his chips like a pro. I mean, already

901
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,679
he gets on the putting green and you'll see all

902
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,239
people punting everybody stops because they see him roll one

903
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,440
after twenty foot or one right after another bag, And

904
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:11,320
I just sit there and just watch the ball just

905
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,159
keeps going in the hall. He thinks it was supposed

906
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:18,519
to happen. Yeah, it's fabulous, It is fabulous.

907
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:21,639
Speaker 2: Well, so, I've always been fascinated by young people who

908
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,320
come up on the tour because it's golf is well

909
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:31,159
beyond physical skills, there's the metal aspect. There's the emotional

910
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:35,920
aspect of dealing with the pressure of a Sunday round.

911
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:40,119
And you know, I'm thinking a seven year old, he's

912
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:42,719
going to bang it away. He doesn't even know or

913
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,320
understand what it means to have the pressure on, you know,

914
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,559
with all the eyes watching and got to make this putt.

915
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,000
How is the metal side for? I mean, these kids

916
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:55,039
can hit balls like crazy all day long. But put

917
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:58,199
him on a golf course in competition. What happens then?

918
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,159
Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't played in a number of tournaments which

919
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:04,679
he's won or been in second place.

920
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, competing against seven year olds.

921
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: Right of course, yeah, of course, yeah. But but but

922
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:14,559
this is the thing that I think that is happening

923
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:19,320
like this eleven years old eleven year old they see

924
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,039
they can do it, they enjoy doing it, and they

925
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,800
love people watching them do it, So they don't have

926
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,559
the insecurities and the feelings why can't I beat this?

927
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,559
They don't. They don't even think that way. It's a

928
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:32,840
totally different way of thinking. And I think it's just

929
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,000
the era we're in. You know, kids are kids are

930
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,320
our other shell really early because of television and whatever.

931
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:46,159
I think, think back when you were a kid, things

932
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:50,960
you did and what's what's happening today? Because of because

933
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,880
of I don't think it's all good, don't get me wrong,

934
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,960
but because of Facebook and everything, everyone is more involved

935
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,000
in the social aspects. So people will have a tendency

936
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,480
to be a little bit more. They're not so self conscious.

937
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,119
And you know, I was such a wallflower. I mean

938
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:10,559
I remember going to a dance when I was a

939
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:14,480
sophomore and I was I was literally stuck against the wall,

940
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,320
afraid to ask anybody to dance. That doesn't occur anymore.

941
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,519
I mean, that doesn't occur anymore because of the exposure

942
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:26,559
that they have to everything. So kids don't have that

943
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:31,719
fear that I think that we had because that's just

944
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:32,360
how it was.

945
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,199
Speaker 2: Well, they're in front of cameras a whole lot more

946
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:38,199
than we ever were. I mean, there's no pictures of

947
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,480
me growing up. But every young person I know, and

948
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:44,639
I'm talking under ten, is so comfortable in front of

949
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:48,920
a camera because there's been pictures being taken every few minutes.

950
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is you know, this period of time

951
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,400
now is where people are showing off a lot, shot

952
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,360
off the way they look, where they dress. It was

953
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,440
conscious of all these thinks. So I'm mean, I'm not

954
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,599
saying that there aren't a few kids that still walk

955
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:04,840
around hung up on this and hung up on that,

956
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,519
but the majority are much more confident, I know that

957
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,960
than when I was a kid. Of course, I went

958
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,840
to parochial school and it was pretty it was pretty strict. Uh.

959
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,639
But these kids nowadays, I mean, the boys had come

960
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:24,519
in my programs. I mean, they're already they've had experiences

961
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:26,159
in their life that I didn't have until I was

962
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:29,559
in my thirties. You know, uh, some good, some bad.

963
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:31,760
But they've just been exposed to a hell of a

964
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,119
lot more than I was, and so consequently they think

965
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:38,360
more adult. They just they just they had they have

966
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,159
more adult feelings in the sense of what they think

967
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:43,599
about themselves, and I can tell you I've been If

968
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:45,880
I tell Ivan, hey, come on, how want you need

969
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,320
to drive for my boys golf team, he can't wait

970
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,039
to show them that he gets it better than them.

971
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:53,880
I mean he can't wait.

972
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 2: Me about your methods the swing for your short game,

973
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:14,039
for pitching and chipping and not full swing, how is

974
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:16,400
that impacted by what your method is?

975
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,519
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the chippion method has always been that

976
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:23,400
you playoff if you're right handed, you put the majority

977
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,880
of your weight on your left side. So that falls

978
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:31,000
right back into what we're doing. And modern day chippers

979
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,800
are less handsy, the more arm shoulder weight left and

980
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,079
a small rotation uh just and the rotation gets bigger

981
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:43,679
for the for the longer the shot. But but there

982
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,599
is a rotation, so they keep the arms connected and

983
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:51,679
it's still a body movement a post to just the arms.

984
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,280
Not to say that you can't do it with just

985
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,559
the arms, but again, when you're use it arms and hands,

986
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,119
you're bringing in the opper coortunity for the hands to

987
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:04,440
overwork or for you to decelerate your arms where you

988
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,840
stay connected and you turn through it. The club is

989
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,280
moving along with the body, so there's no hit to

990
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,239
the ball kind of thing. You have to be on

991
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,960
the left side for sure, because you want the club

992
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,320
to be coming down when it strikes the golf ball.

993
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:24,000
So that's part of it. It's not it's not difficult,

994
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:30,519
for sure. It's not difficult. So well, I think shipping ahead.

995
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:32,920
I'm sorry, I was just going to say. And then

996
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,320
of course I teach the fall running type of chipstroke.

997
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,960
So shipping where you're all on the fringe and shortside

998
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,719
of the grass. You know you're going to do that

999
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,320
with seven and eight six irons, you know, can you

1000
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,239
be using a sandwich and those guys shots pitching when

1001
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,239
you're further back and heavier grass where the club has

1002
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,360
to come up down but you're still on the left side.

1003
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,679
It's just that's just more of a you know, that's

1004
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,679
just more of what I say about it swing though.

1005
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,119
The real chipping where you set up to the ball

1006
00:55:04,159 --> 00:55:06,440
and you you take the heel of the of the

1007
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,480
club off the ground, so you put it up on

1008
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:10,800
a toe. And the reason you do that because you

1009
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,920
want to get the shaft in the same position as

1010
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,239
your putter shaft, so you get your eyes right down

1011
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,559
over the ball. That you're just using an arm armed

1012
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,599
you know, arm swing with a fly left wrist, very

1013
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:25,239
similar to your puddy's stroke, and that should be done

1014
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,280
around the green. You know, put put away your wedges

1015
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,199
around the green. You want to you want to hit

1016
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,599
the ball in a release and roll to the hole.

1017
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:34,559
You don't want to try to put back spin and

1018
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,559
all that. It's just silliness. But when you're pitching the

1019
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:40,599
ball from a distance, you know, thirty yards forty yards,

1020
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,639
then you have to do use a miniature rotary motion

1021
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:45,800
just like you do with the with the full swing.

1022
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: Real simple, Oh yeah, sure, real simple.

1023
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,119
Speaker 3: No, it really is. When if for those for those

1024
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:56,360
of you that have chipping problems or anything like that,

1025
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,239
they ever come in the desert bell get rid of

1026
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,440
them in five balls. I mean, I promise you, and

1027
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,480
I don't care if you if you scoop it right

1028
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:05,559
at the bottom or anything. I have I teach you

1029
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:11,159
some pe classes beginners, and and I get a lot

1030
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:13,199
of these people have never touched the golfld in their life,

1031
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:15,719
and in a very short period of time, everybody's got

1032
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,840
that handle ahead of a ball at impact and it looks,

1033
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,159
it looks great, but it's not hard. To do. But

1034
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:24,360
if it's hard to do, if you're trying to keep

1035
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,079
your wrists flat and your body still and your head

1036
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,920
still and you're pushing your arms at then it's really hard.

1037
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,880
Then you scull them across the green all day long.

1038
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,679
But that's not the action. It's it's you have to

1039
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,000
set up properly and you have to understand what what

1040
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:41,079
the movement is. But then once you get the movement,

1041
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:42,079
it's really simple.

1042
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:45,559
Speaker 2: Oh boy, do I want to see that. I'm bringing

1043
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:46,880
the video camera for that one.

1044
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,199
Speaker 3: Okay, anytime, this is a really duck soup. This is

1045
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,519
this is this is a simple part of the game.

1046
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:56,880
The only thing is a distance control. That's a hard

1047
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,119
part of that. Shipping and putting is yeah, yeah, it's

1048
00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:00,760
what twenty foot You got to be able to hit

1049
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,199
it twenty one feet twenty two feet?

1050
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, But most of the time I see the mistakes

1051
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,320
that happen for for chipping, is that people hit three

1052
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:16,000
or four inches behind the ball, and then well you get.

1053
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's because they're staying behind the ball. They're not

1054
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,599
moving through the ball number one, or they're trying to

1055
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,920
they're trying to scoop under the wall, try to get

1056
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,519
under the ball and make it go up. You hear

1057
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:26,039
people say they'll scull this, so I didn't get under

1058
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:29,000
that one. Well that you don't get under it. You're hitting.

1059
00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:30,719
You're hitting. You have to get down on it. And

1060
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:32,719
the ball hits the face of the club. It slides

1061
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,239
up the face and then goes up in the air.

1062
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,800
But you don't scoop the club underneath, only shut it.

1063
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,480
I know that you go underneath like that as a

1064
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,039
sandshot when you when you lay the club back. But

1065
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,280
people try to do that. They feel like they have

1066
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,159
to help it up. And so in scooping, what what

1067
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:50,880
what to scoop? You have to You have to uncock

1068
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,280
your wrist. Your left wrist gets really cocked and the

1069
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,440
blade goes up so that that's that's the bana, you know.

1070
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:02,199
But it's easy we fix once people. You don't say,

1071
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:05,400
don't scoop your wrists. You just show them. Do you

1072
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,039
show them a movement where they don't the risk, don't scoop.

1073
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:12,639
You explain how the thing really works, and then then

1074
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:15,559
it's really easy. The problem is is that a lot

1075
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:18,320
of teachers that teach say don't do this, Well, no,

1076
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,840
you see, you scoop it or you did this, and

1077
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,159
and so they're still fixated on that movement instead of

1078
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:27,920
getting them to do the movement that that eliminates that.

1079
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:33,239
But really, honestly, if anybody wants to shift, they can

1080
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,239
go on any on any website. There's so many guys

1081
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:39,320
out there that that are saying exactly what I say,

1082
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,079
because it's not a secret. And and and you know,

1083
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:46,360
keep in mind, the tour is constantly looking for easy,

1084
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,119
the easiest way to do these things, not the hardest.

1085
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:53,199
So if you copy Mikelsen or those kinds of people,

1086
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:55,880
you'll see that they have a process that they repeat

1087
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:56,679
over and over again.

1088
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: But why that's that's where you're more strokes are lost.

1089
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,239
I think inside the thirty yard area, then.

1090
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: There's no question about it. Had no question about it.

1091
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:11,320
U I. One of the parts of my formula for

1092
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,320
the golf team is that you've got you got, You've

1093
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:16,519
got to be able to get it up and down

1094
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:18,559
from fifty yards and end. You just got to be

1095
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:20,239
able to do that if you want to if you're

1096
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,599
serious about being competitive golfer, you have to be able

1097
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:27,079
to do that. And it sounds really hard, but it's

1098
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:31,079
really not because once you have e motion that is consistent,

1099
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,599
and then you just can dial in the rotation of

1100
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,079
your body. But the distance when you do it with

1101
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:39,519
your hands. Now you know your nerve endings are at

1102
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:42,360
the end of the fingers, and we all get nervous,

1103
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:44,920
we all get anxious, and that never goes away, and

1104
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,920
hopefully never will because that's a good thing. Adrenaline is

1105
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,400
a good thing if you use it properly. But if

1106
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,679
you set up to the ball properly, whether you're hitting

1107
00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:57,559
the ball, chipping the ball, whatever, and now your body

1108
00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:59,719
dictates the distance the ball is going to go by,

1109
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:03,559
it's it's rotation and that temple, well you can you

1110
01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:07,119
can fine tune this thing really quick, opposed to trying

1111
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:10,800
to time your hands how when they turn over, how

1112
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,760
fast they turn over, and so forth. And those are

1113
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:18,320
the things that that the modern swing, even though this

1114
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,960
is not really a modern swing, but it's it's a

1115
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,480
modern way of teaching. You watch the tour now, you

1116
01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:25,079
look at the guys when we start the ball, you

1117
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:27,320
don't you don't see anybody way behind the ball in

1118
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,639
the dress anymore. You know. There was a guy but

1119
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:31,800
the named Jerry Hogan and said, I want you to

1120
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,000
stand above the ball but not behind it. And that's

1121
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:38,480
a great statement. And that's what the driver or anything else.

1122
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: Hm hmm.

1123
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:45,039
Speaker 3: Interesting, You're gonna have to come down and bring your wedge,

1124
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:47,840
a suitcase, a tooth brush, and a wedge.

1125
01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:58,559
Speaker 2: A long weekend. Okay, the suitcase, a toothbrush, and a wedge.

1126
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, maybe, and maybe they e there so that

1127
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,559
I can show you the run up huts.

1128
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: I'll bring the potter and we'll just play the entire

1129
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,800
round with three clubs. How's that?

1130
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

1131
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:11,639
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that'll be interesting. It'd probably scored the same.

1132
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:14,599
Speaker 3: Probably probably.

1133
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:19,119
Speaker 2: Oh, Tony, Well listen. I hope you have a full recovery.

1134
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:22,440
I'm so sorry about your accident. And I know that

1135
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,760
I haven't asked in a while. How old are you now?

1136
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: I'm seventy seven? Oh my god, but I well, right

1137
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,880
now when I had the accident, I fell ninety seven. Yeah,

1138
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,679
I bet because you're all of a sudden saying oh

1139
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,079
I'm falling because I'm old. But what happened to me

1140
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:43,239
was if if I was fifteen, I would have got

1141
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:47,639
the same result. Unfortunately, because I actually the golf course.

1142
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:52,800
I wonder what will happen if another member gets down

1143
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,480
there where I was, then try to walk up that

1144
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:56,920
hill and slips. The result is going to be very

1145
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,920
similar because it was just very It shouldn't be that

1146
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:02,880
steep anywhere near the green. But that's another story. I

1147
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,480
know a lot of people know how you get to sue,

1148
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:07,400
and I'm not a suing type, you know. Just I

1149
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,280
think God had that plan for me to teach me

1150
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,239
patience because I get a little impatient. My girlfriend is

1151
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:19,880
looking at me and nodding her head, so anyway, you know,

1152
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:22,079
I have to look at it as it gave me

1153
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:25,000
some time to stop working seven days a week, and

1154
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:29,280
I caught up on every TV show that exists, for sure.

1155
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 2: But that's not something that's not something you want to

1156
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:33,000
brag about.

1157
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,199
Speaker 3: No, it's just behind me now. And like I say,

1158
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,400
once I get to therapy, I'll be I'll be kicking

1159
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,639
and running again just like I always do.

1160
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,679
Speaker 2: Just like you always do, and dragging that team with

1161
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:49,199
you across the finish line ahead of everybody else.

1162
01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:52,239
Speaker 3: Hopefully we can keep that up, baby.

1163
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing, All right, Tony, Well, it was great to

1164
01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:57,840
talk to you again. Thank you so much for giving

1165
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,039
us your time. The golf Smarter community. He loves you,

1166
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:04,920
will always love you. And again, the book and the DVD,

1167
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,760
The Loss Fundamental by Tony Manzoni, is right here on

1168
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,480
our website. And I you know, I like to say this,

1169
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,199
and it's it's hard, but you're not going to find

1170
01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:16,920
it anywhere else. Really, you could look everywhere on the web.

1171
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:20,760
You're only going to find it here and so and

1172
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,159
that's why you're getting such a you know, the response

1173
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:24,239
from people all over the world.

1174
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: So well, I just want to thank everyone listening and

1175
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:34,719
leave them this thought and please continue supporting Fred. You

1176
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,159
are the voice of golf as far as I'm concerned,

1177
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,840
and I think you're doing a wonderful, wonderful thing for

1178
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:41,519
a lot of people.