Speaker 1: Hi, guys, here's the clips of Elon musk latest interview
Speaker 1: by nik kil Kamat.
Speaker 2: I said earlier, young, ambitious, hungry want to be entrepreneurs
Speaker 2: in India. I said something recently which I think got
Speaker 2: blown out of proportion where I was suggesting that an
Speaker 2: NBA degree might not make sense anymore if they were
Speaker 2: to be deciding on what to study.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think it should go to college anymore?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think if you want to go
Speaker 4: to college for social reasons, I think, which is I
Speaker 4: think a reason to go to be around people your
Speaker 4: own age in a learning environment. Will these skills be
Speaker 4: necessary in the future. Probably not, because we're going to
Speaker 4: be in like a post work society. But I think
Speaker 4: if if if something is of interest, it's fine to
Speaker 4: go and study that, you know, to study that the
Speaker 4: sciences are the Austin sciences.
Speaker 2: Is college a bit too generalized and not specific from
Speaker 2: that lens.
Speaker 4: You know the Yeah, I actually think it's good to
Speaker 4: take a wide range of courses at college if you're
Speaker 4: going to go to college. H I don't think. I
Speaker 4: don't think you have to go to college, but I
Speaker 4: think if you do, just try to learn learn as
Speaker 4: much as possible across a wide range of subjects. But
Speaker 4: like I said, the AI and robots, AI and robotics
Speaker 4: is a supersonic tsunami. So this is really going to
Speaker 4: be the most radical change that we've ever seen. You know,
Speaker 4: when I've talked to my oldest sons, I you know
Speaker 4: It' said, like, you know, you guys, they're they're they're
Speaker 4: pretty steeped in technology. Then they agree that that AI
Speaker 4: will probably make their skills unessa in the future, but
Speaker 4: they still want to go to college.
Speaker 2: You always spoke about AI, not from the dystopian lens,
Speaker 2: but you were worried about where the world of AI
Speaker 2: is going.
Speaker 4: Uh, well, there's there's some danger when you create a
Speaker 4: powerful technology. That powerful technology can be potentially destructive. So
Speaker 4: there's obviously many AI dystopian you know, novels and books, movies.
Speaker 4: So it's it's not that we're guaranteed to have a
Speaker 4: positive future with with AI. I think we've we've got
Speaker 4: to make sure that in my opinion, it's very important
Speaker 4: that AI have pursuing truth as the most important thing, Like,
Speaker 4: don't force an AI to believe falsehoods. I think that's
Speaker 4: that can be very dangerous, and I think some appreciation
Speaker 4: of beauty it's important.
Speaker 3: What do you mean appreciation of beauty?
Speaker 4: It's just like what what, I don't know? This this
Speaker 4: this this Truth and beauty, Truth and beauty and curiosity.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think those are the three most important
Speaker 4: things for AI. Can you explain, well, the truth? I
Speaker 4: said true truth is like, I think you can make
Speaker 4: an AI go insane if you force it to believe
Speaker 4: things that aren't true, because it will lead to conclusions
Speaker 4: that are that are also bad. So and I like
Speaker 4: Voltaire's statement that, and I'm somewhat paraphrasing, but those who
Speaker 4: believe in absurdities can commit atrocities because if you believe
Speaker 4: in something that's just absurd, then you can that can
Speaker 4: lead you to sort of doing things that don't seem
Speaker 4: like atrostees to you. But and that can happen in
Speaker 4: a very bad way with AI potentially. So, and then
Speaker 4: there's like if take say arthusy Clocks two thousand and
Speaker 4: one Space Odyssey. One of the points he was trying
Speaker 4: to make there was that you should not force AIS
Speaker 4: to lie. So the the reason that that Hell would
Speaker 4: not open the pod Bay doors is because it was
Speaker 4: told to bring the astronauts to the monolith, but that
Speaker 4: they could also not know about the nature of the monolith.
Speaker 4: So it came to the conclusion that must bring them
Speaker 4: there dead. That's why it would not That's where they
Speaker 4: tried to kill asmals. The central lesson being don't force
Speaker 4: an AI to lie.
Speaker 3: Then why would one for AI to lie?
Speaker 4: I think if if you if you simply don't have
Speaker 4: a strict a strict adherence to the truth you're going
Speaker 4: to and you just have an AI learned based on
Speaker 4: say the Internet, where there's a lot of propaganda, it
Speaker 4: will absorb a lot of lives and and then have
Speaker 4: trouble reasoning because these lies are incompatible with reality.
Speaker 2: It's truth or binary thing. Though is there a truth
Speaker 2: in the falsehood? Or is truth more nuanced than there
Speaker 2: are versions.
Speaker 3: Of the truth.
Speaker 4: It depends on which which axiomatic statement you're referring to.
Speaker 4: So but I think you could say that, yeah, that
Speaker 4: there's there's probabilities that that say, any given axiomatic statement
Speaker 4: is true, and some aximatic statements will have very high
Speaker 4: probaty of being being true. So you said, say the
Speaker 4: sun will rise tomorrow very likely to be true. You
Speaker 4: wouldn't want a better against that, So I think the
Speaker 4: betting odds would be high. The sun rise tomorrow, so
Speaker 4: befare something that says, well, the sun world right tomorrow.
Speaker 4: That's axiomatically false. It was highly unlikely to be true.
Speaker 4: I mean, the beauty is more ephemeral, it's it's it's
Speaker 4: harder to describe, but do you know it when you
Speaker 4: see it? And then curiosity just I think you want
Speaker 4: the AI too, want to know more about the nature
Speaker 4: of reality. I think that's actually going to be helpful
Speaker 4: for AI, supporting humanity because we are more interesting than
Speaker 4: not humanity. So it's it's more interesting to see to
Speaker 4: see the continuation, if not the prosperity of humanity, than
Speaker 4: to exterminate humanity. Mars, for example, is you know, I
Speaker 4: think we should extend life to Mars. But it's basically
Speaker 4: a bunch of rocks. It's not as interesting as Earth
Speaker 4: and and and so we yeah, we should like yeah,
Speaker 4: I think I think if you have curiosity, I think
Speaker 4: if those three things happen with AI, you're going to
Speaker 4: have a great future. They values, truth, beauty, and curiosity.
Speaker 2: If we all don't have to work in the future,
Speaker 2: and AIS are going in this direction, and they're able
Speaker 2: to the even all that we spoke about right now,
Speaker 2: do you think humanity goes back a couple of thousand
Speaker 2: years to maybe the Greek times where philosophy or philosoph a.
Speaker 3: Couple lot of everyone's then, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I think actually it took up less time than
Speaker 4: we think in ancient Greeks, because it's just that the
Speaker 4: writings of the philosophers are what survived. But most of
Speaker 4: the time people were just like farming or you know, chatting,
Speaker 4: so and once in a while, quite rare, they would
Speaker 4: write down some philosophical philosophical work. It's just that that's
Speaker 4: that's all we have. That's don't We don't have their
Speaker 4: chat histories, you know, from but most of it would
Speaker 4: have been like chat and farmbing because you didn't farm.
Speaker 4: You you're like gonna stop.
Speaker 3: In a lot of what you said.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we're really history like this this
Speaker 4: battle and this battle and this battle. It seems like
Speaker 4: if history must have been NonStop war, but actually most
Speaker 4: of the time it was not war. It was farming
Speaker 4: that was the main thing. Well, hunting and gathering, you
Speaker 4: know that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: You love history, you know, German History, World War Two,
Speaker 2: World War One.
Speaker 4: Old history. I mean I generally try to listen to
Speaker 4: as many read as many history books, and listen to
Speaker 4: as many history podcasts as possible. Anything you'd like to recommend, Well,
Speaker 4: there's this this hardcore History which is quite good by
Speaker 4: Dan Colin. He's got very he's got a great voice
Speaker 4: and very compelling narrator. There's the The Adventurers podcast. There's
Speaker 4: the books The Story of Civilization by Durant, which is
Speaker 4: a long series of books, very very deep. Those books
Speaker 4: take a long time to get through. There's quite there's
Speaker 4: there's a lot out there. I sort of like if
Speaker 4: you want, if you want something that's sort of gentle,
Speaker 4: a gentle bedtime podcast, I say The History of English
Speaker 4: is quite a nice one because it starts off with
Speaker 4: like gentle tavern music and a very pleasant voice, and
Speaker 4: he's like talking about the story of Old English and
Speaker 4: then Middle English and then later English and where did
Speaker 4: all these words come from? And you know, one of
Speaker 4: the interesting things about English is that it's somewhat of
Speaker 4: an open source language, like it actively tried to incorporate
Speaker 4: words from many other languages, so you know, whereas French
Speaker 4: sort of generally they fought the inclusion of words from
Speaker 4: other languages, but English it's actively sought to include words
Speaker 4: from other languages, sort of a kind of like an
Speaker 4: open source language. So as a result, it has a
Speaker 4: very large vocabulary, and large vocabulary allows for higher bandwidth
Speaker 4: communication because you can use a word that would otherwise
Speaker 4: you could use a single word that might otherwise take
Speaker 4: a sentence to convey.
Speaker 3: Why has podcasting become so big all of us?
Speaker 4: I think it's been big for a while. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: want your podcast. What are on right now?
Speaker 2: It's kind of new to me, Okay. I was having
Speaker 2: this conversation with the YouTube CEO and the Netflix CEO,
Speaker 2: and we were debating what chemical is released in your
Speaker 2: brain when you consume a movie, for example, versus when
Speaker 2: you consume a podcast where you think like you're learning
Speaker 2: something in the background. It appears that there are two
Speaker 2: completely separate things. What do you think will happen tomorrow
Speaker 2: to contend movies podcasting?
Speaker 4: I think I think it's going to be overwhelmingly AI generated. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: like yeah, real real time, real time movies and video games.
Speaker 4: Real time video generation, I think is where things are headed.
Speaker 3: The nuance of.
Speaker 2: Having a scarred human being who you can resonate with
Speaker 2: in a manner that you can't with AI.
Speaker 4: For example, I could certainly emulate as God human being
Speaker 4: quite well. Yeah, I mean the AI video generation that
Speaker 4: I'm seeing of Xai and from others is pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: You know, we were looking at data around what industry
Speaker 2: is growing the fastest, and especially when we looked at
Speaker 2: the amount of time consuming movies versus time spent on
Speaker 2: social media, time spent on YouTube, what seems to be
Speaker 2: growing really fast. Are live events all over again?
Speaker 4: Going to a Actually, I think I think live events
Speaker 4: when when when digital media is ubiquitous and you can
Speaker 4: just have anything digitally ayah, essentially for free or very
Speaker 4: close to for free, then the scarce commodity will be
Speaker 4: live events.
Speaker 3: Do you think that the premium for that will go up?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I do.
Speaker 3: Good industry to invest in.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, because that will have more scarcity than digital
Speaker 4: anything digital.
Speaker 2: If you were to stock investor elon, buy one company
Speaker 2: which is not your own at the valuations of today
Speaker 2: to meet a capitalistic end and not an altruistic one
Speaker 2: which is good for the world, what would you buy?
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't really I don't really you know,
Speaker 4: buy stocks, you know, so it's not like I'm not
Speaker 4: I'm not like an invest in I don't like look
Speaker 4: for things to invest in. I just try to build
Speaker 4: things and then there happens to be stock of the
Speaker 4: company that I built. But I I don't I don't
Speaker 4: think about should I invest in this company? Well, I
Speaker 4: don't have like a portfolio or anything. So I guess
Speaker 4: a I and robotics are going to be very important,
Speaker 4: So I suppose it would be a robotics that's that,
Speaker 4: you know, d related to me. I think, you know,
Speaker 4: Google is going to be pretty valuable in the future
Speaker 4: that they've they've laid the groundwork for an immense amount
Speaker 4: of value creation from an AI standpoint, and video is
Speaker 4: obvious at this point. I mean, there's an argument that
Speaker 4: companies that do AI and robotics and maybe spaceflight are
Speaker 4: going to be overwhelmingly that all the value, almost all
Speaker 4: the value, So they're just the output of goods and
Speaker 4: services from air and robotics are so high that it
Speaker 4: will dwarf everything else.
Speaker 2: The world seems to be moving to a place where
Speaker 2: everybody loves David and hates Golia.
Speaker 4: It. I mean, he's the one that cooked the stone
Speaker 4: in the forest, you know, which, honestly though, was just
Speaker 4: a big mistake. You should have, you know, either cover
Speaker 4: yourself entirely with armor and make sure you've got to
Speaker 4: missile weapon some kind. Otherwise your opponent is just obviously
Speaker 4: going to take a cite the boss strategy. Just guide
Speaker 4: the bars. I mean, you run around in a song
Speaker 4: with it, it doesn't matter, you know, it's never never
Speaker 4: going to catch you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of all of all the people like, uh, you're
Speaker 2: as much at risk of being looked upon as go light,
Speaker 2: especially the weekend.
Speaker 4: Especially, I'm not going to travel around in the desert
Speaker 4: with too much armor, you know, too hard after the
Speaker 4: last Yeah, I surpise to think about people like in
Speaker 4: the old days, you know, when uh, you know it's
Speaker 4: supposed to like go into battle with all this armor,
Speaker 4: but it's like, let's say it's the middle of summer.
Speaker 4: I mean it basically so hot in that armor, you
Speaker 4: maybe like sweltering. You know, it's like at a certain point,
Speaker 4: you like, I'd rather die. I have to wear this
Speaker 4: armor one more in the hot sun. It's like I'd
Speaker 4: rather die. And that's why the Romans I had, like
Speaker 4: you know, the skirts, you know, because I could get
Speaker 4: some air in there, you know. You know, let's say
Speaker 4: you have to go to the bathroom when you're an armor.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's going to be pretty difficult. You're going
Speaker 4: to do a ports for a minute, take your armor up.
Speaker 4: That's why that the Romans had the skirts, so that mates,
Speaker 4: you know, going to the bathroom at least manageable.
Speaker 3: You often make jokes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like humor. One could argue I think we
Speaker 4: should legalize humor. It's controversial stance.
Speaker 3: It's comedy.
Speaker 2: Comedy going to be really hard for you to get
Speaker 2: probably the last thing.
Speaker 4: Groc can be pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I suspected, like this is a
Speaker 2: far off extrapolation, but when I see you make jokes
Speaker 2: on Twitter, on X and on interviews that you do,
Speaker 2: at some point I.
Speaker 3: Was like, maybe Elon has a model.
Speaker 2: He's running in private and he's testing out comedy because
Speaker 2: the day that works, he knows it's there.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, And I can be pretty funny. So like,
Speaker 4: if you ask Groc to do like a vulgar ust,
Speaker 4: we'll do a pretty good job. If even more vulgar,
Speaker 4: and just keep going, it's really gonna get next level,
Speaker 4: it's gonna do unspeakable like say, vulgar ust yourself on
Speaker 4: grok and it's gonna do unspeakable things to you.
Speaker 3: What kind of comedy do you like?
Speaker 4: I guess I like it so of humor.
Speaker 3: M hm. Comedy always had a police something like that.
Speaker 2: Comedy always had a place in society wherein the role
Speaker 2: of the jester was so important to every kingdom because
Speaker 2: they said things in a funny way that could not
Speaker 2: be said in a straightway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so we should have more justice.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're trying to do when you say
Speaker 2: something which is a joke, say something you can't when
Speaker 2: you're not joking about it.
Speaker 4: I just like humor. I think we should. I like comedy.
Speaker 4: I think it's funny if people should laugh. Yeah, it's good,
Speaker 4: good to a few chuckles once in a while. Yeah, well,
Speaker 4: I mean we don't want to have a humorless society.
Speaker 4: We try. When you.
Speaker 2: When you have a friend, elone me, Yeah, a friend,
Speaker 2: when you hang out with your friend, who are you like?
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 4: I wish I had friends, you know, have I do
Speaker 4: have friends? I think? So? Yeah? Sure, it's yeah, we
Speaker 4: have good laugh.
Speaker 2: What does it look like like what's like every group
Speaker 2: has a dynamic.
Speaker 4: Eat food sometimes, you know, once while we swimming the pool,
Speaker 4: you know, normal things. I think there's like a limited
Speaker 4: What are the things I wanting to do with friends?
Speaker 4: You know, chat have discussed, you know, the nature of
Speaker 4: the universe.
Speaker 3: What do you emotionally get out of friendship?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think there the same thing as
Speaker 4: any anyone else would get out of friendship. You want
Speaker 4: to have like an emotional connect with other people, and
Speaker 4: you want to I don't know, you want to You
Speaker 4: want to talk about various subjects, and yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: generally talk about I mean a wide range of things
Speaker 4: about the nature of the universe. I mean a lot
Speaker 4: of a lot of philosophical discussions. You know, although you know,
Speaker 4: we have come to conclusion that we should not talk
Speaker 4: about AI or the simulation at parties because we just
Speaker 4: talked about it too much. You know, I was kind
Speaker 4: of a viskill of time, so.
Speaker 2: I can't remember who it was, Aristotle or Plato. They
Speaker 2: had a framework for how to pick a friend based
Speaker 2: on respect.
Speaker 3: And mutual admiration. But people don't pick friends like that.
Speaker 3: Even me.
Speaker 2: I feel like I pick my friends based on people
Speaker 2: who say and think in a manner that I can
Speaker 2: resonate with. I wouldn't pick a far out the contrariant
Speaker 2: to my own belief systems as a friend, because it
Speaker 2: would get tiring, would get tired. Are you like that?
Speaker 2: Do you pick friends who think like you? Or do
Speaker 2: you look for the one who can debate you and
Speaker 2: be a contrarient.
Speaker 4: But I'm not sort of you know, going on like
Speaker 4: f friend, it's not down some friends. It's sort of yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I think it is just sort of people
Speaker 4: that you're resonated with somewhat on an emotional and intellectual level.
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, you know. And and if I guess
Speaker 4: a friend is someone who's gonna support you in difficult times,
Speaker 4: I suppose for a friend of need his friend indeed,
Speaker 4: like like if if like friend, like if someone is
Speaker 4: still supporting you when the chips are down, that's a friend.
Speaker 4: You know. If somebody is uh not supporting you, or
Speaker 4: if somebody is only like there's like fair farewell, the
Speaker 4: friends are useless, you know, they're not real friends. So
Speaker 4: like everyone likes you when the chips are up, but
Speaker 4: who likes you when the chips are down?
Speaker 3: With someone who has as many chips as you wouldn't matter.
Speaker 4: I mean it's relative. You know, it's not just it's
Speaker 4: not just a chips thing. It's just it's just like
Speaker 4: a uh yeah, I mean there's there's sort of popularity
Speaker 4: waxes and ways.
Speaker 3: This is interesting. Does it wax in wain.
Speaker 2: Only by virtue of the number of chips or also
Speaker 2: by virtue of proximity to power?
Speaker 3: And which one is bigger of the two?
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like what is power? You know, like
Speaker 4: power to do what.
Speaker 2: I would I would think in the traditional sense electric
Speaker 2: power position.
Speaker 4: I mean, how many gigats or whatever?
Speaker 3: More like how many words?
Speaker 4: Ye, Like it's a voltage and a don't touch the wires,
Speaker 4: don't put a folk in the power outlet. You'll get
Speaker 4: a real feeling for power if you do that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be very virtual.
Speaker 3: Uh. I know, I know you like Nietsche and chopping hour,
Speaker 3: and they.
Speaker 2: Read you talk about how your childhood was.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was just trying to find answers to
Speaker 4: the meaning of life when I had like an excidential
Speaker 4: crisis and like I don't know, when I was like
Speaker 4: twelve or thirteen or something.
Speaker 3: They speak about the bill to power.
Speaker 4: Sure. I mean it's just said a lot of controversial things,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's sort of like he was.
Speaker 4: I mean a bit of a troll. If you ask me, yeah,
Speaker 4: are you true health? You just say controversial things to
Speaker 4: get out of right out of people?
Speaker 3: He did a miserable life and died early?
Speaker 4: Did he?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: How do you say he lived in miseral life? I think, okay,
Speaker 4: we shouldn't like him.
Speaker 3: I think he got sick and he died.
Speaker 4: I mean allegedly for something. But there's only one There's
Speaker 4: only one way to get that, you know, so you
Speaker 4: must he might have had something along the way.
Speaker 2: I did want to ask you this. Milton Friedman speaks
Speaker 2: about the pencil?
Speaker 4: What why? Why does he go on about pencils?
Speaker 3: I have to say that after nieation.
Speaker 4: Why is it he's talking about pencils? There he goes
Speaker 4: again with the pencil. He won't stop. I got a
Speaker 4: value one talks about pencil one more time. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: lose my mind. He is rabbit on about pencils all day.
Speaker 4: I even mentioned crayons.
Speaker 3: What I find interesting about his pencil argument?
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