WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:07.679 Big food and be on. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:08.320 With Cliff and Bobo. 3 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites, so like to subscribe and 4 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:16.120 raid it lip Story and me. 5 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:19.000 Righteous to go on. 6 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:24.879 Yes today listening watching, always keep its watching. 7 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bubo Fay. 8 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:33.399 All right, folks, we're here with a little update for 9 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:35.679 the most popular guests we've ever had. Sarah from episode 10 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.759 of fifty five. You all remember Sarah. We are at 11 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:41.719 the North American big Foot Center Cliff Museum in Boring, Oregon, 12 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:45.039 and she's had some stuffs since her last appearance on 13 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:48.560 the show, so we decided to hook up and we're 14 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:50.600 all here and we're gonna hear what she has going 15 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:53.560 on lately. Hello, Sarah and Greg, thanks for coming on. Hello. 16 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:57.840 Sure it wasn't even mentally prepared. I just wanted to 17 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:01.079 go squatching. Yeah, well that's cool. 18 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:01.359 Yeah. 19 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So I'm sitting here at the NABC right next to 20 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:07.920 the Peter Burn and Larry Lund gearbox. 21 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:10.359 Yeah yeah, Larry gave me that. Peter Burn gave a 22 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:12.319 bunch of stuff in there, and a lot of it's 23 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:14.040 on the wall. You probably saw the Peter stuff on 24 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:16.680 the wall outside, but that's what it all came in. 25 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:20.079 And that was Peter's trunk right there, and you know, epic. Yeah, 26 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.200 and this is backstage of course, nobody can just see this. 27 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:26.439 So great up here and the museum is just so 28 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.719 exciting and I could be in there for days. I 29 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:33.040 was thinking, we're going to have to camp out in 30 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:34.159 here overnight. 31 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:36.840 Yeah, we should do over night trips like you know, 32 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:43.120 like the Monarchy right right, we did that the ghost in. 33 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:46.799 The Ghost There are ghosts here? 34 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:47.640 Are there? 35 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:51.120 Melissa is convinced of it. I'm not. Melissa's The museum 36 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:53.640 members get a documentary that we make in the museum 37 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.000 every single month, oh right, and one of them was 38 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:58.959 a ghost ton on Halloween. Oh that's far Halloween at 39 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:00.560 you know, just a little bit of fun. 40 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.079 Yeah, go scare me, not big foots. 41 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:08.479 So last time we had Sarahan, you told some stories 42 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:10.280 that happened at home, and Greg, you heard you heard 43 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:12.520 some of the things that happened right back your house. 44 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.000 Yeah, well wait for where didn't you hear. 45 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:18.919 The one run through like the down the road and screaming. 46 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:22.159 Oh yeah, and Truckie that was the weirdest thing. We 47 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:24.439 were sitting the are yeap and something in the middle 48 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:29.039 of the night was extremely loud, moving very fast, running 49 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:31.759 down the road and making a noise that was you 50 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:33.599 could hear it from the left of the houses were 51 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:36.840 laying there in bed and then just continued and then 52 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.199 faded out for about I don't know, maybe about thirty 53 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:43.520 five seconds, and it just continued. It was not a car, 54 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:45.319 It wasn't. 55 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:47.120 Was it one cont like it was, Yeah, it was 56 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:48.280 one constant. 57 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:51.919 It was not a yell like that. It was like 58 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:53.680 an autis old grunt. 59 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:56.159 It was kind of but it was like it was. 60 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:59.879 Almost like a scream intermitten screen kind. 61 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.680 Of kept on a little louder, a little softer, a 62 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:04.360 little louder, a little softer than it eventually worked its 63 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:06.560 way out and it was gone, and we just. 64 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:11.719 That thing moved from one corner of the entire neighborhood 65 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:14.719 all the way through and our house was situated right 66 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:17.159 next to this little open space trail that the kids 67 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.639 used to cut through to get to the school that 68 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.039 we lived near. And it was up in the mountains. 69 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:22.319 You know. 70 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:27.319 That thing ran from the woods and probably from like 71 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:31.080 the river, like the Trucky River, all the way out 72 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:34.439 across towards the meadows and maybe the other side of 73 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:39.439 the river because the subdivision is right on a big turn. 74 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:41.360 It was a flat plane, you know. And then the 75 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:43.879 river was on three sides of us, and it must 76 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.240 have come up from one side and then made this 77 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:50.520 strange sound as it continued and early early morning, nobody 78 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.560 was out driving, No kids were on their older car 79 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.599 that would make a screech as it went down the road. 80 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:58.280 It wasn't a oily or a mechanical screech. 81 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:00.960 It was really odd slapping too. 82 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:05.039 Yes, yes, we heard. You could hear it running like 83 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:09.400 a padded steps, you know, or running on cement. 84 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:14.879 Yeah, it's all dirt, paved saved roads and then dirt 85 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.839 on the little trail cut through right next to our house. 86 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.639 So it came like right past our our house in 87 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:22.879 our backyard. 88 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:24.600 And those houses. I mean it's a road, you know. 89 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:26.120 It was squatchy. 90 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:28.920 Yeah, we both woke up and we were like, that 91 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:33.920 had to have been much. That thing was huge and 92 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:36.000 running and you could hear it. 93 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:41.199 Yeah, either what kind of jogger would be yelling? Frank 94 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:46.120 Sinatra practice singing while swimming, And it was it was fast. 95 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.040 It was as fast as you would you know, be 96 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.920 either riding a bicycle and it wasn't a car you're 97 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:53.639 writing it was. 98 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:54.519 It was fast. 99 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.360 However, you know, however, you could hear it getting louder 100 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.480 and then you could it was clearly in front of 101 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:04.120 the house and then beyond the house. Really, so that 102 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:05.600 was years ago. That was years ago. 103 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:06.920 That was that was. 104 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:16.319 That was probably twelve years ago, at least maybe thirteen, yeah, fourteen, probably. 105 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:17.360 They had some more reason happened. 106 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.199 So something else recent happened. I was with a I 107 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:24.279 worked for a water agency in northern California, and we 108 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.360 were up checking out a meadow project that we had 109 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:29.920 just done a restoration project away in the High Sierra. 110 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.519 And there's about twelve of us out there paying attention 111 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:35.360 to it, looking at what we did. And it was 112 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:38.480 a big project. It was big meadow restoration. We had 113 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:41.160 a bunch of heavy equipment out there the season few 114 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.800 seasons before, and so we were out taking a look 115 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:48.639 at the project and walking around, walking around the woods 116 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:51.879 in and the meadow. And so we were out there 117 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:53.639 with about a group of twelve of us walking around, 118 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.199 and then we were checking out these little they weren't 119 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:00.519 vernal pools, but they were springs that that the project 120 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.319 had sort of re reinvigorated, and the whole thing was 121 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:09.959 to reconnect the floodplain of the of the meadow to 122 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:12.680 to be more natural. It was insized and cut and 123 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:16.439 so we had we had rebuilt it for water retention 124 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:21.279 and retention for our reservoir downstream, et cetera. So we 125 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:23.240 were walking around checking it out, and we were standing 126 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:27.040 around this little area looking at these little vernal kind 127 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:30.800 of pool areas, and then out of nowhere there definitely 128 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:35.680 was this knock, knock, knock, And then it stopped for 129 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.800 a second. And I was standing apart from most people. 130 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:42.480 They were kind of down a little bit, and and 131 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:47.000 I listened really carefully, and nobody really seemed to hear it. 132 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:50.759 Then it happened again, knock. Not the location same, Yeah, 133 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.120 kind of off to the left down stream a little bit, 134 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:55.800 maybe one hundred yards, you know. But it was a 135 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.160 it was a it was we were in a clearing 136 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.480 and then it was a wooded zone about one hundred 137 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:05.439 yards away, and it was in there. It was well forested. 138 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:08.480 Three knocks, three, three knocks each twice. 139 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.199 How many of you were there, it was about twelve 140 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.879 of us, and at the time nobody said anything. Then 141 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.079 we walked away. We were back behind the I was 142 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:20.160 outside of the group a little bit. Everybody was kind 143 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:22.519 of down in this little space, but I was, you know, 144 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:26.639 not more than ten feet away from everybody. And yeah, 145 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:28.680 it was a bucket. It was it was a three knock. 146 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.879 It was definitely wood on wood and I definitely heard 147 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:34.079 it and looked into the woods and stared into the 148 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:37.000 woods and is And then about a minute or three later, 149 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:40.800 we all sort of started walking away and left that 150 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:44.160 zone and went back upstream and to the cars, which 151 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:46.920 were about a mile and a half away, and I 152 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:51.800 kept looking back. I kept looking back, just staring into 153 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:55.079 the tree line to see if there was something, and 154 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:58.000 didn't see anything and didn't hear anything after that, and 155 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:01.639 we walked away and it wasn't an till maybe, I 156 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:04.879 don't know. A week later, I was downloading with our 157 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:07.800 two project managers for this project and I was asking about, 158 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:09.959 you know, how was the trip, and Da Da DA, 159 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.720 and we were talking about the project and then I 160 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:15.959 asked them both, I said, you know, do you guys 161 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.439 hear anything back in there? And the one guy that 162 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:21.120 works for me said he did, and the other woman 163 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:25.600 said she didn't, and he and I compared our notes 164 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:29.720 and he said, yeah, I heard that knock as well, 165 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.440 and so and we pontificated as to what it could be. 166 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:35.360 And we were both like, well, that was definitely a 167 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:39.919 chackling the bigfoot, and the other gal was like, no way, 168 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:42.639 I can't be. You know, you guys are just it 169 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:45.399 was something else and we're like, okay, kind of know 170 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:48.080 where you stand. And then and then but he and 171 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.919 I were like, yeah, that's definitely what it was. Yeah, 172 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:55.519 and yeah that that was the last late summer twenty twenty. 173 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:57.320 Five, okay, if we were beaver involved. 174 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:01.279 So there was another beaver incit in this where we 175 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:05.759 had included released some beavers into this area the spring before, 176 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.720 and we were worried that some of the ponds weren't 177 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:13.559 deep enough, but we regardless, the beavers were released and 178 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:17.519 then they went back in the fall kind of after 179 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:19.399 the same period of time, so they had been there 180 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.519 now all summer long, and and it was about six 181 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.720 months later before the winter hit twenty twenty five, and 182 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:29.960 they tracked the beaver because the beaver tail had a 183 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.480 tracking on it, and they tracked the tail up into 184 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:38.039 the woods about three hundred yards two hundred yards outside 185 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:42.720 of the outside of the meadow into the woods. And 186 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:47.120 it was just the tail, nobody, nothing. And it was 187 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:49.759 a clean, clean cut of the tail. 188 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:50.759 It was a cut. 189 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:54.639 It was it was either chomped or I mean, it 190 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:56.679 was just the edge of the tail and there was 191 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.200 no flesh nothing. Yeah, And I don't know how the beaver, 192 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.840 you know, if that's a bony sec you know, if 193 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:05.679 that's bone, or if it's just flesh on flesh that 194 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.399 connects the tail to the butt. I'm not sure how 195 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:12.600 that the beaver anatomy is, but it was. 196 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.720 I don't think the bones too, I don't know. 197 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:17.279 Or if it's just a fleshy connection. 198 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.000 I think it is a fleshy connection. It's like the 199 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:25.399 tail bone ends and the tails is a fleshy part 200 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:27.480 that connects to a tailbone. 201 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:28.120 Yeah. 202 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:29.960 They got a picture of the beaver just and I 203 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.440 saw the you know, it was a pretty big beaver tail. 204 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:34.080 It was, you know, this big. It was a good 205 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.879 sized beaver, you know, And and it had the tag 206 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:39.759 on the edge of it and it was sitting there. 207 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:44.679 I didn't know what I mean, it clearly the ponds. 208 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:48.240 I don't think we're really deep and so could have 209 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:53.399 been could have been a bobcat. I mean, I'm sure 210 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:55.559 a lot of yeah, coyotes. I'm sure a lot of 211 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:57.559 people go after there, a lot of things go after those. 212 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:03.879 But it was definitely either drug taken transported a few 213 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:07.360 hundred yards out into the woods away from the meadow 214 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:10.440 because it was in the tree line now and there 215 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:12.519 was I'm not sure what they ended up doing. 216 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:15.639 And curious happening in the same area where. Yeah, how 217 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.000 far away from the knocking place was this this? 218 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:21.120 I don't know because I wasn't It's not far. I mean, 219 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:25.120 it's it's within it's within the meadow itself is about 220 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:28.559 twenty or thirty acres, and so it was within the 221 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.039 same same right there. Yeah, within a mile. Yeah, it's 222 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.919 a mile or two okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you could 223 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:38.480 look down, you know, across and you're in the same zone. 224 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:40.759 Okay, yeah, yeah, so a few hundred yards. 225 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:43.799 Or right not along's not a long walk, yeah, or 226 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.840 stride for any particular creature. 227 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:50.159 I mean, could have been a poacher, I suppose. 228 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:53.799 Because that's such a nutritious part of the animal, you know, Oh. 229 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:54.039 The tail. 230 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:56.039 Yeah, I don't know. 231 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:58.600 I never had That was the weird thing. It was 232 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:00.519 just sitting there. I don't I can't remember if it 233 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:02.600 was buried. I mean it was just sitting in the 234 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:05.600 dirt and the you know, in the leaves. I just 235 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:08.360 saw the picture afterwards, and I just saw it the 236 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:11.000 one time. This was a Benson last fall. Yeah, just 237 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:14.080 a you know, just one of those h that's a 238 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:15.639 strange connection. 239 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:21.000 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 240 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:22.960 We'll be right back after these messages. 241 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:31.720 What about you starting on the show and your name 242 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:34.000 got out there and then they don't even comment on 243 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:36.200 the TV thing we did that I was on recently, 244 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:37.440 like the interview. 245 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:40.799 I was watching that and just bringing me back to 246 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:43.159 interviewing with you, and that was that was a really 247 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.399 fun experience. But I was just so dorky. I think 248 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.919 I was more starstruck by meeting you for the first 249 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.759 time and just I just remember, like I had this 250 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:55.360 little grin on my face and I'm talking about my 251 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:56.679 Bigfoot encounter. 252 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:59.519 Our fans are starstruck by you and our show. 253 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:04.159 Well, yeah, so I had an opportunity to go back 254 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:08.759 to my site of where that creature came through my 255 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:12.080 camp just recently, just a few weeks ago, and it 256 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:16.559 was incredibly special. I never thought I would go back 257 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.919 to that exact spot again, and I was invited with 258 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:25.360 Less Stroud. He's working on maybe a documentary film, kind 259 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:28.960 of a really what it seems to me is a 260 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:33.960 well thought out film piece on the phenomenon of Sasquatch. 261 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:39.759 I had met Less about a year before, similar to 262 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.360 the time that Greg heard the Knox out in the Sierra, 263 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:45.720 and I met Less in person, and he did an 264 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:50.759 initial interview with me and great guy. I mean, he's survivorman, 265 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:54.720 right and really really kind, really nice, and he had 266 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.600 said within the near future he wanted to get me 267 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.879 back out someday to my spot, and I sort of 268 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:04.519 brushed it off, like yeah, right, like I'll ever be 269 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:07.279 able to get out there again. And sure enough, the 270 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.000 trip came together and at the first part of this 271 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:13.559 summer we went out there, Less and I and a 272 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.799 couple of his camera guys and we did a full 273 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:23.360 wilderness expedition hike out to this spot and I was 274 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:30.440 just so taken and moved by being in that area again. 275 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:37.559 It was incredibly beautiful and wild and you know, not 276 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:43.200 visited by humans, very little negative impact in there, just 277 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.639 the forest and the forest structure itself. So I'm a 278 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.000 professional chorister. I mean, I was just doorking out on 279 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:53.960 the forest and the forest ecology, and there was a 280 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.399 fire in there a couple of years ago, so I 281 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:59.039 wasn't sure what to expect, and I was just so 282 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:04.480 pleasantly surprised by the state of this landscape. It was 283 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.799 basically perfect. It was exactly how I remembered it. Actually, 284 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.759 we didn't approach my site from the same way that 285 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.440 I had originally gone in, and so I wasn't even 286 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:18.840 sure if we were going to make it. And sure enough, 287 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:21.799 we hoofed it up there and got up towards the 288 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:27.320 PCT and out to that marble outcropping and right above 289 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:33.039 the cliff where that creature had climbed, and then came 290 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.399 up through the knoll or sort of the smooth part 291 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.879 of above the cliff where I was sleeping on, and 292 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:44.039 it came right next to me, and I got to 293 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:49.080 replay that whole memory. That part was exactly how I 294 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:54.840 remembered it. And the watershed was as wide and deep 295 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:58.600 and vast as I remembered it. It was actually more 296 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:02.120 beautiful than I had remembered it. The colors and the 297 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:06.919 wildflowers this year were just spectacular. The mountain fog was 298 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.679 rolling in over the peaks, and then that was another 299 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.399 part of the trip this time, was that I really 300 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:19.039 got to reflect on the mountain and the shoulder of 301 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:22.399 that peak that it eventually went up to the shoulder 302 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:26.919 of and called until sunrise, because that I've been playing 303 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:29.840 back in my head over the last twenty eight years 304 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:34.559 of you know, where was that? Was it? How I 305 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:40.559 remembered it? You know, I replayed the sound and the 306 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:44.159 calling that it did in my head over and over again. 307 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:48.840 And actually listening to the interview with Shane Corson and 308 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.600 he talked about the long howl, I was just moved 309 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.480 by that because I'm like, that's what it was. It 310 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.559 was the long howl, and it was a long howl, 311 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:01.759 and it was over the course of hours, and so 312 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:06.000 I got to pinpoint when we were back there exactly 313 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.759 where it went up the shoulder of this peak and 314 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:13.319 made that call until almost the sun came up and 315 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.680 I was right below it, and so the whole thing 316 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:20.599 was just there's one word I wish I could take back, 317 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:24.599 because we were filming, I didn't expect that we were 318 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:28.440 actually going to be filming for Less's movie or show 319 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:31.640 or whatever he intends to do with it. But sure enough, 320 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:34.839 he had these camera guys and I was reliving the 321 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:38.599 whole thing, and I was telling the story, and so 322 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.519 he captured it all on the film, and you know, 323 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.720 maybe he'll release that someday. But he asked me when 324 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:46.559 we were up there, he said, you know, what's it 325 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:51.599 like being back here? And I said it was it 326 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:54.880 was very moving. It was it was emotional, it was spiritual, 327 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:59.240 it was physical being there. But I said that it 328 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:02.359 was validating, and if I could take that word back, 329 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:07.160 I would say it was affirming, affirming, affirming. It was 330 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.359 one hundred percent affirming of what I experienced when I 331 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:13.519 was fairly twenty one years old. 332 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:14.359 Yeah. 333 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:17.079 Well, that's fantastic. And you know, our listeners know that 334 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:20.799 I've been doing filming with Less, and I wasn't sure 335 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:23.559 that I know Less reached out and wanted your contact information. 336 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:26.000 That's where one of the reasons we're in contact. I 337 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.640 didn't know he's going to go to the spot with you. 338 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:32.079 What a fantastic comportunity for not only you personally, but 339 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:35.759 for people like me or our listeners who have kind 340 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.559 of lived vicariously through your encounter, that we're gonna be 341 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:42.079 able to see that and see the magnificent terrain of 342 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:44.359 the Marble Mountains. You know, nobody goes in there. Very 343 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:48.039 few people do and get to the spot. Because that's 344 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.039 we're not going to give away much about Less's documentary. 345 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:52.799 We're not going to give away the spot or anything. 346 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.079 But it's between a ten and twenty mile hike to 347 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.640 get there, you know, it's a long ways in. Very 348 00:18:57.680 --> 00:18:59.160 few people get it's on this spot. 349 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.400 It's on the twenty end of that spectrum. And actually 350 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:06.200 I had tried to get to the spot three years 351 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.200 ago with a friend of mine. She and I went 352 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:13.279 out for the twenty fifth anniversary and we approached from 353 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.920 the way that I originally approached way back when, and 354 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:21.240 we didn't make it. There was no water. We were 355 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:25.640 barely making you know, over ten miles, and we were 356 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:31.680 just whooped and we were like we were just suffering together. 357 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:35.799 And we did get to a vantage point up above 358 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:39.279 from this one ridge. That was a really spectacular moment 359 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.519 also where I randomly got off the trail and went 360 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:46.480 up to this lookout and sure enough it looked out 361 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:50.960 over the entire watershed where that individual had come up 362 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.799 from the bottom, and I saw the cliff, and I 363 00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:58.720 saw the marble escarpment that I was sleeping on, and 364 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:03.720 got to see that whole landscape where it had happened 365 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:05.680 from afar. Thank you. 366 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:11.279 That's score, Sarah. 367 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:17.519 A bottled water that is labeled bigfoot piece, I can't 368 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:18.000 treat that. 369 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:20.960 Not really a big. 370 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:27.680 He's well hydrated. It's well hydrated, big got clear with. 371 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.039 Stabilized oxygen clearing coy. 372 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:38.960 Yeah, but what what a fantastic delicious I know that 373 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:41.200 we're all looking forward to seeing the documentary, of course, 374 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:43.039 and and you bing in it. It just makes it all 375 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:44.559 the better because you are. 376 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:48.680 Bear and makeup, pair and makeup, because. 377 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.119 You have the by far, the most popular episode of 378 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:51.720 our podcast. 379 00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:56.279 No way, that is impossible. Okay, So the Elk Hunter. 380 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:00.960 Number one number, okay's my He's. 381 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:05.119 My second, second to Kathy Strain. I still have yet 382 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:08.519 to meet her. She's my hero. I can't wait, you know, 383 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:13.000 I need to. I got to figure it out. Both Californians. 384 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:15.400 And she's doun in like Santa swas national for US 385 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:16.279 for the Forest Service. 386 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:18.319 You can get old her and then yeah, I've gotten 387 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.039 a hold of her, but I just busy mom and 388 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:22.400 almost done moment. 389 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.240 Yeah, So how what was the moon conditions, the lighting 390 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:28.680 conditions at night when you were when you're up there, 391 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.160 when we went back out there, what was the conditions like? 392 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:32.720 Was it sooner the light the moonlight? 393 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:37.319 It was not. It was dark and we had been 394 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.799 up there. Yeah, and let's see, I think it was 395 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.000 pretty slivery of a moon. In fact, it was a 396 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.279 little let's see, it was wax on. It was waxing. 397 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:55.720 It was waxing by less than a quarter Okay, so yeah, 398 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.440 it was still a sliver and it was very dark, 399 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.839 and it was following a heat wave that that whole 400 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.559 and I think Oregon experienced this whole heat wave the 401 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:11.279