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Speaker 4: And now you're hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bubo Fay.

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All right, folks, we're here with a little update for

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the most popular guests we've ever had. Sarah from episode

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of fifty five. You all remember Sarah. We are at

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the North American big Foot Center Cliff Museum in Boring, Oregon,

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and she's had some stuffs since her last appearance on

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the show, so we decided to hook up and we're

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all here and we're gonna hear what she has going

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on lately. Hello, Sarah and Greg, thanks for coming on. Hello.

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Speaker 5: Sure it wasn't even mentally prepared. I just wanted to

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go squatching. Yeah, well that's cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I'm sitting here at the NABC right next to

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the Peter Burn and Larry Lund gearbox.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Larry gave me that. Peter Burn gave a

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bunch of stuff in there, and a lot of it's

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on the wall. You probably saw the Peter stuff on

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the wall outside, but that's what it all came in.

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And that was Peter's trunk right there, and you know, epic. Yeah,

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and this is backstage of course, nobody can just see this.

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Speaker 5: So great up here and the museum is just so

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exciting and I could be in there for days. I

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was thinking, we're going to have to camp out in

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here overnight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we should do over night trips like you know,

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like the Monarchy right right, we did that the ghost in.

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Speaker 2: The Ghost There are ghosts here?

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Speaker 5: Are there?

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Speaker 2: Melissa is convinced of it. I'm not. Melissa's The museum

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members get a documentary that we make in the museum

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every single month, oh right, and one of them was

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a ghost ton on Halloween. Oh that's far Halloween at

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you know, just a little bit of fun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, go scare me, not big foots.

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Speaker 4: So last time we had Sarahan, you told some stories

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that happened at home, and Greg, you heard you heard

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some of the things that happened right back your house.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well wait for where didn't you hear.

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Speaker 4: The one run through like the down the road and screaming.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Truckie that was the weirdest thing. We

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were sitting the are yeap and something in the middle

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of the night was extremely loud, moving very fast, running

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down the road and making a noise that was you

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could hear it from the left of the houses were

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laying there in bed and then just continued and then

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faded out for about I don't know, maybe about thirty

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five seconds, and it just continued. It was not a car,

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Speaker 2: Was it one cont like it was, Yeah, it was

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one constant.

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Speaker 5: It was not a yell like that. It was like

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an autis old grunt.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of but it was like it was.

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Speaker 5: Almost like a scream intermitten screen kind.

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Speaker 1: Of kept on a little louder, a little softer, a

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little louder, a little softer than it eventually worked its

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way out and it was gone, and we just.

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Speaker 5: That thing moved from one corner of the entire neighborhood

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all the way through and our house was situated right

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next to this little open space trail that the kids

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used to cut through to get to the school that

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we lived near. And it was up in the mountains.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: That thing ran from the woods and probably from like

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the river, like the Trucky River, all the way out

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across towards the meadows and maybe the other side of

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the river because the subdivision is right on a big turn.

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Speaker 1: It was a flat plane, you know. And then the

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river was on three sides of us, and it must

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have come up from one side and then made this

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strange sound as it continued and early early morning, nobody

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was out driving, No kids were on their older car

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that would make a screech as it went down the road.

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Speaker 4: It was really odd slapping too.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we heard. You could hear it running like

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a padded steps, you know, or running on cement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all dirt, paved saved roads and then dirt

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on the little trail cut through right next to our house.

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Speaker 5: So it came like right past our our house in

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Speaker 1: And those houses. I mean it's a road, you know.

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had to have been much. That thing was huge and

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running and you could hear it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, either what kind of jogger would be yelling? Frank

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Sinatra practice singing while swimming, And it was it was fast.

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Speaker 1: It was as fast as you would you know, be

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either riding a bicycle and it wasn't a car you're

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Speaker 2: It was fast.

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Speaker 1: However, you know, however, you could hear it getting louder

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and then you could it was clearly in front of

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the house and then beyond the house. Really, so that

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was years ago. That was years ago.

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Speaker 5: That was probably twelve years ago, at least maybe thirteen, yeah, fourteen, probably.

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Speaker 4: They had some more reason happened.

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Speaker 1: So something else recent happened. I was with a I

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worked for a water agency in northern California, and we

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were up checking out a meadow project that we had

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just done a restoration project away in the High Sierra.

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to it, looking at what we did. And it was

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a big project. It was big meadow restoration. We had

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a bunch of heavy equipment out there the season few

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seasons before, and so we were out taking a look

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at the project and walking around, walking around the woods

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in and the meadow. And so we were out there

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with about a group of twelve of us walking around,

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and then we were checking out these little they weren't

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vernal pools, but they were springs that that the project

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had sort of re reinvigorated, and the whole thing was

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to reconnect the floodplain of the of the meadow to

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to be more natural. It was insized and cut and

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so we had we had rebuilt it for water retention

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and retention for our reservoir downstream, et cetera. So we

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were walking around checking it out, and we were standing

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around this little area looking at these little vernal kind

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of pool areas, and then out of nowhere there definitely

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was this knock, knock, knock, And then it stopped for

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a second. And I was standing apart from most people.

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maybe one hundred yards, you know. But it was a

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and then it was a wooded zone about one hundred

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yards away, and it was in there. It was well forested.

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Speaker 2: Three knocks, three, three knocks each twice.

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Speaker 1: How many of you were there, it was about twelve

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of us, and at the time nobody said anything. Then

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we walked away. We were back behind the I was

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outside of the group a little bit. Everybody was kind

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of down in this little space, but I was, you know,

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not more than ten feet away from everybody. And yeah,

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it was a bucket. It was it was a three knock.

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it and looked into the woods and stared into the

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zone and went back upstream and to the cars, which

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were about a mile and a half away, and I

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kept looking back. I kept looking back, just staring into

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the tree line to see if there was something, and

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didn't see anything and didn't hear anything after that, and

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we walked away and it wasn't an till maybe, I

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don't know. A week later, I was downloading with our

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two project managers for this project and I was asking about,

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you know, how was the trip, and Da Da DA,

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and we were talking about the project and then I

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asked them both, I said, you know, do you guys

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hear anything back in there? And the one guy that

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works for me said he did, and the other woman

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said she didn't, and he and I compared our notes

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and he said, yeah, I heard that knock as well,

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and so and we pontificated as to what it could be.

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And we were both like, well, that was definitely a

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chackling the bigfoot, and the other gal was like, no way,

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I can't be. You know, you guys are just it

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was something else and we're like, okay, kind of know

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where you stand. And then and then but he and

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I were like, yeah, that's definitely what it was. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Five, okay, if we were beaver involved.

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Speaker 1: So there was another beaver incit in this where we

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had included released some beavers into this area the spring before,

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and we were worried that some of the ponds weren't

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deep enough, but we regardless, the beavers were released and

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then they went back in the fall kind of after

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the same period of time, so they had been there

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now all summer long, and and it was about six

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months later before the winter hit twenty twenty five, and

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they tracked the beaver because the beaver tail had a

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tracking on it, and they tracked the tail up into

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the woods about three hundred yards two hundred yards outside

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of the outside of the meadow into the woods. And

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it was just the tail, nobody, nothing. And it was

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a clean, clean cut of the tail.

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Speaker 5: It was a cut.

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Speaker 1: It was it was either chomped or I mean, it

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was just the edge of the tail and there was

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no flesh nothing. Yeah, And I don't know how the beaver,

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that's bone, or if it's just flesh on flesh that

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connects the tail to the butt. I'm not sure how

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that the beaver anatomy is, but it was.

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Speaker 4: I don't think the bones too, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Or if it's just a fleshy connection.

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tail bone ends and the tails is a fleshy part

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that connects to a tailbone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They got a picture of the beaver just and I

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saw the you know, it was a pretty big beaver tail.

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It was, you know, this big. It was a good

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sized beaver, you know, And and it had the tag

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on the edge of it and it was sitting there.

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I didn't know what I mean, it clearly the ponds.

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I don't think we're really deep and so could have

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been could have been a bobcat. I mean, I'm sure

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a lot of yeah, coyotes. I'm sure a lot of

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people go after there, a lot of things go after those.

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But it was definitely either drug taken transported a few

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because it was in the tree line now and there

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was I'm not sure what they ended up doing.

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Speaker 2: And curious happening in the same area where. Yeah, how

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far away from the knocking place was this this?

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Speaker 1: I don't know because I wasn't It's not far. I mean,

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it's it's within it's within the meadow itself is about

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twenty or thirty acres, and so it was within the

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same same right there. Yeah, within a mile. Yeah, it's

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a mile or two okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you could

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look down, you know, across and you're in the same zone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, so a few hundred yards.

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Speaker 1: Or right not along's not a long walk, yeah, or

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stride for any particular creature.

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Speaker 5: I mean, could have been a poacher, I suppose.

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Speaker 4: Because that's such a nutritious part of the animal, you know, Oh.

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Speaker 5: The tail.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

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was buried. I mean it was just sitting in the

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dirt and the you know, in the leaves. I just

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strange connection.

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We'll be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 4: What about you starting on the show and your name

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got out there and then they don't even comment on

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the TV thing we did that I was on recently,

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like the interview.

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Speaker 5: I was watching that and just bringing me back to

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interviewing with you, and that was that was a really

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fun experience. But I was just so dorky. I think

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I was more starstruck by meeting you for the first

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time and just I just remember, like I had this

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little grin on my face and I'm talking about my

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Bigfoot encounter.

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Speaker 4: Our fans are starstruck by you and our show.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, so I had an opportunity to go back

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to my site of where that creature came through my

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camp just recently, just a few weeks ago, and it

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was incredibly special. I never thought I would go back

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to that exact spot again, and I was invited with

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Less Stroud. He's working on maybe a documentary film, kind

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of a really what it seems to me is a

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well thought out film piece on the phenomenon of Sasquatch.

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I had met Less about a year before, similar to

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the time that Greg heard the Knox out in the Sierra,

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and I met Less in person, and he did an

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initial interview with me and great guy. I mean, he's survivorman,

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right and really really kind, really nice, and he had

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said within the near future he wanted to get me

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back out someday to my spot, and I sort of

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brushed it off, like yeah, right, like I'll ever be

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able to get out there again. And sure enough, the

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trip came together and at the first part of this

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summer we went out there, Less and I and a

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couple of his camera guys and we did a full

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wilderness expedition hike out to this spot and I was

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just so taken and moved by being in that area again.

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It was incredibly beautiful and wild and you know, not

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visited by humans, very little negative impact in there, just

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the forest and the forest structure itself. So I'm a

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professional chorister. I mean, I was just doorking out on

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the forest and the forest ecology, and there was a

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fire in there a couple of years ago, so I

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wasn't sure what to expect, and I was just so

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pleasantly surprised by the state of this landscape. It was

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basically perfect. It was exactly how I remembered it. Actually,

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we didn't approach my site from the same way that

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I had originally gone in, and so I wasn't even

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sure if we were going to make it. And sure enough,

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we hoofed it up there and got up towards the

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PCT and out to that marble outcropping and right above

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the cliff where that creature had climbed, and then came

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up through the knoll or sort of the smooth part

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of above the cliff where I was sleeping on, and

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it came right next to me, and I got to

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replay that whole memory. That part was exactly how I

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remembered it. And the watershed was as wide and deep

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and vast as I remembered it. It was actually more

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beautiful than I had remembered it. The colors and the

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wildflowers this year were just spectacular. The mountain fog was

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rolling in over the peaks, and then that was another

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part of the trip this time, was that I really

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got to reflect on the mountain and the shoulder of

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that peak that it eventually went up to the shoulder

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of and called until sunrise, because that I've been playing

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back in my head over the last twenty eight years

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of you know, where was that? Was it? How I

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remembered it? You know, I replayed the sound and the

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calling that it did in my head over and over again.

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And actually listening to the interview with Shane Corson and

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he talked about the long howl, I was just moved

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by that because I'm like, that's what it was. It

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was the long howl, and it was a long howl,

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and it was over the course of hours, and so

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I got to pinpoint when we were back there exactly

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where it went up the shoulder of this peak and

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made that call until almost the sun came up and

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I was right below it, and so the whole thing

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was just there's one word I wish I could take back,

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because we were filming, I didn't expect that we were

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actually going to be filming for Less's movie or show

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or whatever he intends to do with it. But sure enough,

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he had these camera guys and I was reliving the

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whole thing, and I was telling the story, and so

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he captured it all on the film, and you know,

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maybe he'll release that someday. But he asked me when

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we were up there, he said, you know, what's it

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like being back here? And I said it was it

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was very moving. It was it was emotional, it was spiritual,

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it was physical being there. But I said that it

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was validating, and if I could take that word back,

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I would say it was affirming, affirming, affirming. It was

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one hundred percent affirming of what I experienced when I

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was fairly twenty one years old.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's fantastic. And you know, our listeners know that

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I've been doing filming with Less, and I wasn't sure

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that I know Less reached out and wanted your contact information.

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That's where one of the reasons we're in contact. I

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didn't know he's going to go to the spot with you.

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What a fantastic comportunity for not only you personally, but

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for people like me or our listeners who have kind

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of lived vicariously through your encounter, that we're gonna be

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able to see that and see the magnificent terrain of

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the Marble Mountains. You know, nobody goes in there. Very

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few people do and get to the spot. Because that's

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we're not going to give away much about Less's documentary.

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We're not going to give away the spot or anything.

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But it's between a ten and twenty mile hike to

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get there, you know, it's a long ways in. Very

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few people get it's on this spot.

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Speaker 5: It's on the twenty end of that spectrum. And actually

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I had tried to get to the spot three years

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ago with a friend of mine. She and I went

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out for the twenty fifth anniversary and we approached from

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the way that I originally approached way back when, and

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we didn't make it. There was no water. We were

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barely making you know, over ten miles, and we were

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just whooped and we were like we were just suffering together.

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And we did get to a vantage point up above

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from this one ridge. That was a really spectacular moment

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also where I randomly got off the trail and went

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up to this lookout and sure enough it looked out

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over the entire watershed where that individual had come up

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from the bottom, and I saw the cliff, and I

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saw the marble escarpment that I was sleeping on, and

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got to see that whole landscape where it had happened

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from afar. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's score, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: A bottled water that is labeled bigfoot piece, I can't

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treat that.

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Speaker 4: Not really a big.

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Speaker 2: He's well hydrated. It's well hydrated, big got clear with.

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Speaker 5: Stabilized oxygen clearing coy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what what a fantastic delicious I know that

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we're all looking forward to seeing the documentary, of course,

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and and you bing in it. It just makes it all

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the better because you are.

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Speaker 5: Bear and makeup, pair and makeup, because.

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Speaker 2: You have the by far, the most popular episode of

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our podcast.

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Speaker 5: No way, that is impossible. Okay, So the Elk Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Number one number, okay's my He's.

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Speaker 5: My second, second to Kathy Strain. I still have yet

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to meet her. She's my hero. I can't wait, you know,

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I need to. I got to figure it out. Both Californians.

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Speaker 2: And she's doun in like Santa swas national for US

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for the Forest Service.

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Speaker 5: You can get old her and then yeah, I've gotten

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a hold of her, but I just busy mom and

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almost done moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So how what was the moon conditions, the lighting

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conditions at night when you were when you're up there,

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when we went back out there, what was the conditions like?

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Was it sooner the light the moonlight?

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Speaker 5: It was not. It was dark and we had been

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up there. Yeah, and let's see, I think it was

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pretty slivery of a moon. In fact, it was a

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little let's see, it was wax on. It was waxing.

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It was waxing by less than a quarter Okay, so yeah,

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it was still a sliver and it was very dark,

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and it was following a heat wave that that whole

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and I think Oregon experienced this whole heat wave the

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week before, and so it was this cooling trend that

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had come in.

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Speaker 3: So it was actually kind of cold.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, burr by the way summer come on. And yeah,

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so it was kind of it was cool. And so

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I'm out there with less shroud, survivor man, and I

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forgot my knife and a jacket like jacket jacket was

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a jacket. Yeah, No, I had a little wool a

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little wool piece that I love that's super warm.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't even kill a deer and make a hide.

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Speaker 5: I could have killed it. Yeah, I couldn't make it

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hi jacket and so but then the him and his

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camera crew, they were like, you're not going to bring

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a tent. I was like, well, I wasn't going to,

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and they're like, I think it might rain out there.

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Sure enough, it rained a little bit, but not much,

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so I had to carry my whole tent the poles

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like rainfly. And so then I figured, well, if it

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really comes down, I'll just put the rain fly over me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Don't you have a bad hipper knee or something

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to you?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 5: No, I when I hiked twenty eight years ago, I

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went so far that I had blown out my knee, okay,

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and so towards the second half of that trip, I

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was limping. But I have pretty strong knees. I have

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pretty good hips and a back. But I blew out

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my shoulder three years ago. Right after actually I went

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back to this, tried to get out to my spot

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with my friend like two weeks after that, we went rafting,

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and I blew my entire wing connection and I broke

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it and I tore all ligaments I tore the nerve.

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I snapped my entire arm back all the way. So

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that was a three year ago injury.

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Speaker 4: How was that ride in the hospital?

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Speaker 1: It was, Well, it was a mile or it was

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an hour down river first and on the on the.

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Speaker 5: Raft shot and I'm our salty old raft guide of

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the family, and I look up and I'm in the

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river and I look up at Greg and he says,

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are you okay? And I was like, I think you're

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gonna have to guide us out of here. And that's

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all I could think of, was like, you know, guiding

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the raft and I was down in the cold water,

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and I just wanted to sink down my left arm

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and shoulder down to the bottom of the river because

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it was ice. That was terrible. Yeah, but other than that, no,

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I'm pretty pretty strong.

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Speaker 4: Here's a slave drove me up there, like sixteen mile high.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. He didn't have any mules to carry my my stuff,

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or a ferrari or a limo ride or a helicopter

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come on, no, no helicopter ride. It was it was.

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It was a full epic hike and we walked all

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the way in there, and I was surprised that we

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made it all the way out there. I didn't. I

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really didn't foresee that happening, and it was awesome.

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Speaker 4: Didn't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I even told I'm like, I don't think we're

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going to make it out to my spot, but we're

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going to go out there and see what happens. And

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so it was pretty awesome.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

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Will be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 5: I took tons of photos.

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Speaker 4: And a couple of those from you so we could

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put them on the package. Yeah, because I know people

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be excited to see that, because I mean, I've never

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seen exactly where it was, and it's different. You should be.

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The pictures like not what I expected, but similar but

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not what I expected exactly, and it was really nice

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to see. I love seeing the photos when we're something

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that took. When you're the story, you want to know

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what it looks like.

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Speaker 5: It's changed. The landscape has even more brushy now, No,

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it was less brushy. The trees down in the tree

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pockets were they were beautiful and big and green. But

477
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,279
down below there was really cool fire behavior and some

478
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,400
like moderate fires that had moved through there. And that's

479
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,799
part of My industry is forestry, but the fire ecology

480
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:29,559
part of it. So want moderate fire, yeah, and you

481
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:31,559
want moderate fire. And so there was like the most

482
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,839
perfect fire that was down at the bottom. So I

483
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,039
got to geek out on that on our way up.

484
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,079
And then when we got up there, I noticed that

485
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,240
in the rockier, drier parts a lot of the trees

486
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,559
had had died. There was quite a bit of tree mortality.

487
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,720
And it is drier, you know, it's it's the whole

488
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,759
change in weather in whatever way you want to perceive that.

489
00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:01,799
There's there's different patterns. And what I've noticed is, you know,

490
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,119
it's it's wetter and more intense. But then the dryer

491
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:09,119
spells are drier and more intense in that way, and

492
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,319
that has a big impact on tree growth because you

493
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,319
can't irrigate forests and so when when the forest landscapes

494
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,920
dry out in those cycles, they really have an impact.

495
00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:23,839
So but it was just phenomenal.

496
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 4: Two days.

497
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, we camped for two nights.

498
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,839
Speaker 4: Did pheromones or anything or to do anything, attract.

499
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 5: Anything or well I did. I left a secret fruit

500
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,960
bait at the vehicle and I really wanted something to

501
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,279
come and take the I had a half eaten nectarine,

502
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:46,680
and I forget why I didn't want to fish finish

503
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,839
the nectary. I was like full or something, and then

504
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,279
I had another nectarine. I was like, I can't hike

505
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:55,039
a nectarine out with lesh trout, and so anyways, I

506
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,359
left him right next to the vehicle, but then they

507
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,440
were there when I got back.

508
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,799
Speaker 4: Do you have any pheromones or anything with them? Or

509
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:04,400
do you cook bacon all night?

510
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:05,839
Speaker 5: Or no?

511
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:06,039
Speaker 2: No.

512
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 5: Less was like, we're hiking light and he's like, I

513
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:12,839
might bring like a sandwich out there, and like a

514
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:16,839
couple bars. I'm like, okay, So I packed a sandwich

515
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:21,279
and by that night of the huge hike, none of

516
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,440
the guys had any food. So I shared my soggy

517
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,880
sandwich with them and we were all like, oh my gosh,

518
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,480
this is the best sandwich ever. I'm like, I thought

519
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,039
you guys were hiking a sandwich out like what the heck?

520
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:40,599
So we didn't have much. The songbirds were amazing. I

521
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,200
recorded so many birds on my Merlin app.

522
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,519
Speaker 4: But yep, did you ever get into contact of that

523
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:49,400
native guy? You just got to listen to the meeting calls?

524
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: He said, no.

525
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 5: That was so that was shortly after that was within

526
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,000
the week right after my experience, and so what happened

527
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,440
there was right after I got done with my solo hike,

528
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,640
my backpacking trip, I went to go meet a group

529
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,559
of girlfriends to go climb Mount Shasta, and the day

530
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,519
before the with my blown out kneet. So, needless to say,

531
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,240
I started that hike with my friends and I did

532
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:20,799
not make it and they had to leave me on

533
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Mount Shasta. Well in between meeting them, because I didn't

534
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,880
have a car, so I was hitch hiking and I

535
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,279
took a bus. I hitchhiked to the main campground at

536
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,880
Mount Shasta, which was Bunny Flat. This is a crazy story.

537
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,920
So I'm you know, I'm young, but I'm not like

538
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,960
real in the WU crowd and you know, the big

539
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,319
and you know, I love all the hippie music and

540
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:49,400
all that kind of stuff. But this these guys were

541
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:53,880
legit hippies, and so they said, hey, you want to

542
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,279
come with us too. I said, well, I'm trying to

543
00:29:57,319 --> 00:29:59,519
get to Bunny Flat and they said, oh, well, we're

544
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:02,920
having a full moon healing circle at Bunny Flat. And

545
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,599
I'm like, what's a full moon healing circle? Well, sure enough,

546
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,599
when we got there, I like set up my little

547
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:11,799
camp over in my corner, and they had close to

548
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,799
one hundred people come from all over the world and

549
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:22,079
they circled up and held hands and like prayed for healing.

550
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,079
So I'm walking around and then it turned into a

551
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:29,599
drum circle and a party, and so I'm walking around this.

552
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:32,759
So I'm walking around this party and it's getting dark

553
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:35,920
and the full moon's coming up, and it was on

554
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,119
the other side of Mount Shasta, and I remember these

555
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:41,880
guys were saying, they were like, well, where's the moon,

556
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,599
Like when's the moon gonna come up? And I was like, hey,

557
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,319
I know where we can see the moon. And we

558
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,160
went walked up to this little ridge and sure enough,

559
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,079
you could see the moon rise and it was one

560
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,920
of those moon rises where it was just the entire horizon.

561
00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:00,519
It was a huge moon and it was just on

562
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,240
the other side of the little ridge. So we're walking

563
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:08,400
back and this lady sees me limping and she said

564
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,599
to me, she was like, hey, you look like you're limping, Like,

565
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:13,640
do you want me to I do reiki? Do you

566
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,720
want me to rub your knee and do reiki on

567
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,720
your knee? And I was like, sure, that sounds great.

568
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,160
So she's rubbing my knee and I'm just sitting there thinking,

569
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,079
all this feels really good, and she says, there's like

570
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,680
something about you. She's like, you know, how'd you hurt

571
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,839
your knee? What's going on with you? That's kind of

572
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:36,960
what I remember her saying. She's just like, something's going

573
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,240
on with you. And I just looked at her and

574
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,799
I was like, this really weird thing happened to me

575
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,160
out there. I was on this hiking trip. I remember

576
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,960
exactly what I said, but I'm like, I was out

577
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,359
on this hiking trip and this thing came through my

578
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,680
camp one night and it went up past me. It

579
00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,480
was huge, and it went up past me and it hauled.

580
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,400
And I don't think I explained her like it was

581
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,200
a grilla, it was an ape like creature. I just

582
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,680
said it was humongous and strong, and it was howling,

583
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,759
and it passed right by me and went up behind

584
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,160
me and made this call all through the night until sunrise.

585
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,640
And she plainly, matter of fact, we stopped rubbing my

586
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,680
knee and looked at me and she said, I'm Kadouk Indian,

587
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,720
and my father has been recording the Sasquatches up at

588
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:36,279
the tops of peaks in full moons for many years.

589
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:40,640
And he goes out to Medicine Lake and you know,

590
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,920
Little Shasta and in the Mount Shasta area, and he's

591
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,480
been to that area and the marbles and he records

592
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:52,119
those and I think what you heard was a sasquatch

593
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,119
doing a mating call.

594
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:55,599
Speaker 4: I tried to find that guy. I could never find him.

595
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wouldn't have a clue, right, And this was

596
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:03,319
back before the you know, it was like at probably

597
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:05,880
at the start of the Internet, like maybe I had email,

598
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,920
but there I certainly wasn't googling. Could a medicine man

599
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,400
recording sasquatch mating calls? Like there's a Google search. The

600
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,359
other thing that this ties into is so less. And

601
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,759
I had a really nice connection, like just I think scientifically,

602
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,480
like he and I really had some good chats and

603
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,279
he was asking a lot of really great, thoughtful questions.

604
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,440
And I found him to be really intelligent and well

605
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,519
versed and researched, and I thought it was a really

606
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:44,079
smart guy. So he was I forget what, no, I

607
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,680
asked him. Oh that's the other thing about him, is

608
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,440
he he was not chatty kathy like me. And there

609
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,480
were a couple points where I could tell he was

610
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:55,680
like getting a little bit irritated with me. He was like,

611
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:57,240
was this lady ever gonna shut up?

612
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:03,279
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that, so anyways, so so.

613
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:07,119
Speaker 5: So then I asked him at one point, I was like, so, Les,

614
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,000
I'm like, where are you on the point of you know,

615
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,000
how many? How many of these critters do you think

616
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:18,760
are out there in the world, I said, because I

617
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,199
am of the thought that there really aren't very many,

618
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:28,599
and that potentially there's there they would could be considered endangered.

619
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,440
And I think that they're on the decline in their population,

620
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,239
at least certainly of what they would have been let's say,

621
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,280
one hundred years ago, one hundred and fifty years ago.

622
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:41,599
And he and I got into this whole sort of

623
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:45,480
thought train, and he was like, why do you think that?

624
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,239
And he said, I'm of more of the thought of

625
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,880
he said, ask Cliff about this. He said, because I

626
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:58,519
think that actually their population is probably fairly steady and

627
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:03,760
maybe grown, and actually they have figured out where to

628
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,800
live away from our human impact. And so then later

629
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,920
that night we were sitting out where we had camped.

630
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:16,719
There's this rock outcropping and it is marble, and there's

631
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,039
marble pieces in there. It's really cool. And you can

632
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:24,280
see the whole watershed below of where where that thing

633
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,119
had come from the night that I was there, you know,

634
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,360
prior twenty eight years ago. And so I was sitting

635
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,199
there and I was just introspective of that question that

636
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,000
I had asked less earlier, and I was like, huh,

637
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:40,360
And I was just thinking, and I was looking down

638
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,840
the watershed and I was looking up to the peak

639
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,360
where the thing had made the call, and I was like, Okay,

640
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,639
so there's either I could see like fifteen to twenty

641
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:01,639
individuals in this water shed or zero. And I was like, well,

642
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,119
maybe less in cliff are right, and maybe there's twenty

643
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:08,400
to thirty individuals in this watershed.

644
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's probably too many.

645
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,599
Speaker 3: That's too many.

646
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I kind of like one hundred and

647
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,800
one bear. The big foot thing is easy to ass

648
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:20,519
you know, but Meldrum always had as one hundred and

649
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:22,440
fifty to two hundred. I think that's little on the

650
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:24,119
on the sparse side.

651
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,199
Speaker 5: One hundred one hundred bear per.

652
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,519
Speaker 2: Bigfoot air pick. Yeah, And it's like for Oregon there's

653
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:32,119
about thirty five thousand thirty to thirty five thousand black

654
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:35,199
bear right now, Okay, about three hundred hundred and fifty

655
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:37,599
big foot sounds about right kind of to me, Okay,

656
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,119
but I wouldn't I wouldn't be too surprised if there's

657
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:45,079
five hundred or right, maybe a little maybe that feels

658
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,119
a little high to speak, but maybe that might be.

659
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,519
We don't really know enough, And unfortunately, the Bigfoot community

660
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:52,760
doesn't seem interested in collecting the kind of data that

661
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,239
would tell us. And I fought the Bigfoot community with

662
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,719
it because they're mostly interested in spooky sighting reports that

663
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,000
scared them. But that's a human thing, because we've been

664
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,559
telling stories around the campfire for three hundred thousand years

665
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:05,440
or more, right, So they're interested in the like make

666
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,559
me scared stuff. They're not interested in footprints and and

667
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,199
saying what which individuals are identifiable in the footprint data set,

668
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,039
which is what I'm interested in doing, you know. But

669
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:19,800
I think three hundred to maybe six hundred for organs

670
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,760
seems kind of reasonable because they don't inhabit the land.

671
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,800
As far as I can tell, they don't inhabit the

672
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,320
land uniformly. You know, it's not a thin blanket.

673
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 4: Of these things.

674
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're cohorts.

675
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: Is that what this?

676
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:33,679
Speaker 6: Yeah?

677
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you get a pocket or a grouping that's

678
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,360
considered a cohort. A cohort though in the science term,

679
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:47,960
it takes into account mating individuals, so interaction on a

680
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:53,320
reproductive scale, So a cohort is not there's families, So

681
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:57,440
let's take two families they come together. Now they're a cohort.

682
00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:00,159
Speaker 2: Well, I see, yeah, I wouldn't be. That sounds like

683
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:03,079
a reasonable model for them. Because the research area that

684
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,440
I have been studying, I'm finding mostly a small individual

685
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,719
like a twelve inch foot. Until last year, year before,

686
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,039
I would usually about thirty and usually bigfoot is a

687
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,280
different number, but usually about thirty to fifty percent of

688
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,400
the time find a fourteen inch nearby. Sometimes at the

689
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,159
same place, but within a couple of hundred yards, I

690
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:28,320
find a fourteen inch track, and then every once in

691
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,239
a while like a larger one fifteen and a half

692
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,159
or so. Although this past year I found a seventeen

693
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:37,800
in my area that I've never seen before, but I

694
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:41,199
have found a seventeen in an adjacent area about eight

695
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,440
miles away away might be the same one, but there

696
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,599
wasn't enough detail in the track to tell so, but

697
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,679
again I don't know. I mean, if that could be,

698
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,320
it's a kind of a different watershed. This watershed could

699
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,840
have a different seventeen than this one, right, you know

700
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,039
what I mean? But I just don't know that. Well,

701
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,000
we need a clear tracks. But again there's not enough

702
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:03,079
data and unfortunately the bigfooters don't seem to be interested

703
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,519
in quite so we have to kind of wait until

704
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:08,760
the professionals getting all and to start both of these

705
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,840
things more. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with

706
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,639
Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages.

707
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 5: And honestly, being on the podcast with you guys reinvigorated

708
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,639
my interest in it. For so long I had gone,

709
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,039
I mean that was okay, So that was twenty twenty

710
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,719
and my incident happened in nineteen ninety eight, and for

711
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,000
all of those years, I mean, Greg was one of

712
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:46,880
my early believers, like right off the bat, and I

713
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,039
was like, oh, I'm going to marry this guy.

714
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:50,519
Speaker 6: I know.

715
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:54,119
Speaker 1: Well, early on I saw in the down there and

716
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:56,480
I just sent a picture to my brother. We were

717
00:39:56,519 --> 00:40:00,280
watching the Legend of Boggy Creek. I was like eight

718
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,760
years old. I was rad and I was like like, yeah,

719
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,639
you got it in here picture.

720
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,039
Speaker 2: I've got the autograph of the guy in the suit.

721
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's awesome. Yeah yeah. So early on when

722
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,039
she told me the story, I'm like, yeah, he's a keeper.

723
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:19,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally Even.

724
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 5: His brother doesn't believe me.

725
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: He does, he does.

726
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,039
Speaker 5: I didn't think.

727
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: That's one in the.

728
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 4: Podcast bringing some fubbles together and apart.

729
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,639
Speaker 5: But I know, yeah, so so for so many years,

730
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,840
I you know, so my dad I told pretty soon

731
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,199
after I remembered that recently, I didn't really tell anyone

732
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,159
the one lady the week of when it happened. After that,

733
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,400
I didn't tell very many people, if anyone, for a while,

734
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:02,119
and then like slowly over the years, I would kind

735
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:06,000
of start to dabble in telling my experience with friends,

736
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:10,320
and everyone was just ridicule and say, oh my gosh,

737
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,800
like you are crazy that that even happened, that you're

738
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,719
even saying that, Like don't you think it was a bear,

739
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,519
or don't you think that you were dreaming or whatever?

740
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:27,679
And you know, people just very rarely believed me, and.

741
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: Children always make fun of things they don't understand.

742
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, So then when you well first of all, Bob,

743
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,039
but when you called me that very first time, I

744
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,000
was just freaking out. I'm like, I called Greg. I'm like,

745
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,840
you'll never believe I just called me. He goes, We'll

746
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,760
get off the phone call him back. And so that

747
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,760
was before the podcast interview, and since the interview and

748
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:58,119
Your Guys' podcast has totally reinvigorated my own interest in

749
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:01,360
what it was that I saw and what came through

750
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,039
that night, and and I've really been digging in and

751
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:11,199
then and then it was sort of reinstated after I

752
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,280
went back, tried to get back out there with my

753
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,320
friend a few years ago, and then this connection with

754
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,639
Les Stroud and now now I'm ready.

755
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 4: So after you were on the pologe you ever have

756
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,159
anything coach you like that of conference or work or anything.

757
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:25,159
I've ever bring it up Bigfoot.

758
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 5: Like I, Well, I have one friend. He's a young guy.

759
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,719
He lives here in Oregon, and he was already listening

760
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,639
to the podcast by then, and so then he and

761
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,679
I connected. He was like, was that you? And then

762
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,920
it got around the office and here I am working

763
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,840
for one of the biggest forestry firms in Oregon and

764
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,719
California in the nation. And yeah, so word quickly got

765
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,559
out professionally, but you know, it was fine because it's

766
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:02,280
like people can be skept and I know what I

767
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,880
saw that night, and I know what I experienced more

768
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,559
than anything. I know that it was over the course

769
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:11,400
of hours. I know the intensity, I know the noise

770
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,599
that it made. And so then you know, hearing going

771
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:20,239
back to Shane Corson and how he categorizes the vocalizations

772
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,360
was just so riveting to me because because that's what

773
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,719
I heard, was the long howl and the grunt and

774
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,880
the you know when it when it stuttered and moved

775
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,800
and noticed me. All of that I've been able to

776
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,159
reflect on and then going back there this past couple

777
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:44,559
of weeks was so affirming and wonderful and it was

778
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,119
exactly what happened and what I remembered.

779
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:48,559
Speaker 4: Well.

780
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: We also shared the podcast with a lot of friends

781
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,559
that you know, tried to explain it to and told

782
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:57,920
it to in summer y and wouldn't listen. You know,

783
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:01,480
it's great. I mean, yeah, we've told everything and everybody

784
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,960
who's listened to it is just like, wow, it was

785
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,400
a great story and there's an appreciation I think for

786
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,599
Sarah that's different exactly they really understood before. It's like, okay,

787
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:14,800
you saw something whatever.

788
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:16,599
Speaker 4: She can you figure there when she tells it?

789
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah you do. It's really good.

790
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,519
Speaker 2: Why she's number one, number one?

791
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:27,039
Speaker 4: You show that's wrong that Pete did for you or

792
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,920
filled you Yeah, Sarah crowd when when we started finishing it.

793
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,639
Speaker 5: Right, it is about right. The only thing about that

794
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,000
sketch that I am like, what is the abs? The

795
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,920
full six pack? Yeah, I'm like, I don't know if

796
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,559
I noticed a six pack, but what I fully remembered

797
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:53,159
is the silhouette right here and the rump, muscles, the quads,

798
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:58,519
the calf, the foot, the long arm, the shoulder right

799
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:03,079
here in this whole shoulder connection, and definitely the long

800
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:09,639
arms because when it came up running over that the

801
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:12,519
crest of the cliff, and it was coming up where

802
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:16,800
it sloped out is right when it passed right where

803
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,199
I was, which I didn't really get to show you

804
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,760
a good picture of that on the slash with Less

805
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:27,079
is yeah, Less went down and then walked up right

806
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:28,239
where I think it.

807
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:34,519
Speaker 4: Was and it was confirmed estimate it No, it was.

808
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 5: I don't feel like it was huge, Like I don't

809
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,519
think it was much more than six and a half

810
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:44,079
seven feet. But so that's my point is right when

811
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:47,320
it passed me and it did that whole thing where

812
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,679
it's paused and sort of stuttered and went like this,

813
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:55,119
and I just remember this motion with the arm where

814
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:58,320
it took off and it used its arms. It went

815
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:05,159
and pulled itself to yes, all fours as it was

816
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:06,960
coming up and over as it was.

817
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, like it was running and I remember it, and

818
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,000
now it could have appeared, you know, six and a

819
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,599
half seven feet tall, because it was like crouching and

820
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:23,800
running and then it stopped and that's when it did

821
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,840
this thing where it went.

822
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:32,119
Speaker 5: And I just remember this. I remember this motion of like, yeah,

823
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:37,199
this whole swinging this what would you call this, this

824
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:42,280
pendulation of the shoulder it and that arm dropped and

825
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:48,679
it pulled itself with its hands to project its self

826
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,440
and its body and just hall ass. And I think, honestly,

827
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:58,280
I think it was startled and somewhat scared of me

828
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:01,400
in that moment. I don't know about scared, but like

829
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,920
startled surprise. And that's when it really took off. And

830
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:13,239
I remember that whole left side silhouette like clear as

831
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,239
it's burned in my Brain.

832
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

833
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:22,880
We'll be right back after these messages.

834
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: And now enjoy the original interview with Sarah, released May

835
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:37,039
fifth of twenty twenty, episode fifty five, A Terrifying Night

836
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:38,440
in the Marble Mountains.

837
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,039
Speaker 2: Hi, Bobo, how you doing, man?

838
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 4: Good man?

839
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,519
Speaker 6: I got us a special guest today.

840
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,199
Speaker 2: You've been talking about this guest for a little while

841
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:48,800
and you haven't told me who it is or anything

842
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,360
like that, so I'm kind of excited to learn a

843
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,079
little bit about it.

844
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 8: Well, you don't recognize the report, I'm sure Sarah. She

845
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:59,280
as a female backpacker back in the late nineties. You

846
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,119
had a incredible encounter up in the Marble Mountains.

847
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 6: I'll let her tell the story, but you will recognize that,

848
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,280
I promise.

849
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:08,559
Speaker 2: Fantastic, fantastical. Let's bring her on.

850
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 6: Sarah, Welcome on board. This is Cliff. Yeah.

851
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,559
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't want to confuse you, Sarah. That was

852
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:16,199
actually Bobo who said that. But I understand I get

853
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,880
us mixed up sometimes too. But yeah, I'm Cliff. It's

854
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,000
nice to meet you, Sarah.

855
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 9: Nice to meet you too.

856
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,559
Speaker 5: Cliff and Bobo's voice is unmistakable, So thank you both

857
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:27,480
for having me.

858
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: His voice is like the grumbling of a volcano before

859
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,039
it belches.

860
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 6: So yeah, Sarah's report.

861
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 8: They tried to get a hold of her for finding Bigfoot,

862
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,719
but I couldn't track her down. I thought, there's a

863
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,679
fun over here. It's like twenty three years old. I'll

864
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:42,480
try it anyways, and I try it. She still had

865
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:43,320
the same number.

866
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: Oh nice, And she's not just your.

867
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 8: Average witness, She's got full accreditations. Can you tell us

868
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,719
a little about your your background, Sara, I, then you're

869
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,119
going to your story.

870
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: Uh.

871
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, A little bit about my background is I grew

872
00:48:56,679 --> 00:49:00,599
up in California in the Bay Area, and my dad

873
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:05,320
and I were avid outdoors people, and he taught me

874
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,800
how to fish and hike and a little.

875
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 9: Bit of backpacking.

876
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 5: And then when I went to college in the nineties

877
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:19,639
up at Chico State, I really became an avid backpacker.

878
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:25,159
Speaker 9: So I sort of followed this path that maybe.

879
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 5: My career would be in the natural resources and outdoor sciences.

880
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,400
And I had worked in the summer of ninety six

881
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,599
for the Klamath National Forest, and so I learned.

882
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 9: A lot about that area. And so the following summer.

883
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,639
Speaker 5: I was going to summer school, and I wanted to

884
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:50,320
plan out a big one hundred mile solo hike, and

885
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,360
so I did that. And not to get too far

886
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,840
into the story, I did eventually obtain a science degree

887
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:02,480
and actually my forester's license here in California. So I'm

888
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:05,880
a registered professional forester. I live in northern California.

889
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: And that is that the way you make your living today?

890
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 5: Still, Yeah, I'm a I'm an active licensed forester. I

891
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,199
do a lot of wildfire safety planning.

892
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 4: I see.

893
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 2: Okay, very good. So and so you had an encounter

894
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,039
at one point with a sasquatch. What what's the context

895
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:25,719
of that? Like, what were you doing at the time?

896
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,320
And it was that on that one hundred mile trek

897
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,119
that you just mentioned.

898
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 9: That's correct.

899
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 5: It was the second night in Oh wow, yeah.

900
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 6: So Sarah, where you can't what was the physical location?

901
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 5: So I was the second night in on ae hundred

902
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,480
mile backpacking trip, and I had hiked a fair amount

903
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,320
the first day and then I noticed on my map

904
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,599
that there was this lake that I wanted to try

905
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:54,000
and get to.

906
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,159
Speaker 9: So I made it to the lake.

907
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 5: Within the late afternoon evening the second day, and then

908
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:05,719
just beyond the lake. Although the lake was beautiful, it

909
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,679
was a little bit smaller than I had imagined.

910
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 9: And just beyond the.

911
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 5: Lake I could kind of catch a glimpse of what

912
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,159
looked like a big rock out cropping, and so I

913
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:18,519
continued onto that, and when I got there, it was

914
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:25,559
like this football field of a flat escarpment, this big rock,

915
00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:29,400
solid rock field, which, now, knowing what I know about

916
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:34,559
the area, I believe was a large marble escarpment. And

917
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:36,199
so I wanted a camp there that night.

918
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 2: So you set up camp on this outcropping, I guess,

919
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,519
And did the encounter happened during the day at night? Like,

920
00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:46,639
how did the whole thing begin?

921
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,519
Speaker 9: So I didn't bring a tent on the trip.

922
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 5: It was hot and it was forecasted to be very

923
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,960
hot for the whole time. In fact, along the trip

924
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,960
I had left articles of clothing like a rain jacket

925
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,280
and a few things where I was like, I'm not

926
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,679
going to need these things, and you know, lighten my

927
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,880
load if I'm actually going to make it through this trip.

928
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 9: So I didn't have a tent, and so when I got.

929
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 5: To the the site that I wanted to camp at,

930
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,880
I set up my bag, my sleeping bag, and you know,

931
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,880
my backpack and kind of unpacked.

932
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,119
Speaker 9: A little bit right there. And I knew that I

933
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:25,519
was going.

934
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 5: To encounter a bear or two, or however many, and

935
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:32,559
I was pretty concerned about bears on the trip, and

936
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,119
so I packed up all my food stuff and my

937
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,119
stove and hiked way over to the far side of the.

938
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,559
Speaker 9: Escarpment and cooked my dinner.

939
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 5: I was pretty crashed out and wanted to go to bed,

940
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:50,920
and it was kind of early, it was maybe just dusk,

941
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,719
so late August, and I was starting to get dark,

942
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,679
and I'm laying there in my bed and I fell

943
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:02,880
asleep and I was I was sleeping hard, and I

944
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,719
woke up in the middle of the night to a sound.

945
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,199
It was really far away and very faint, and I

946
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:14,800
could hear it, and at first I thought it's probably

947
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,360
an owl. It kept going and I was kind of

948
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,880
trying to go back to sleep, and the way that

949
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,599
I was situated on the escarpment with my sleeping bag,

950
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:34,079
I was basically feet facing down this canyon or ravine,

951
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,519
and it was a big canyon. So I keep hearing

952
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:44,639
the noise and now reminding you, this was twenty three

953
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,639
years ago, and so I'm remembering this right now as

954
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,039
I tell you guys what happened. So what I was

955
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:57,440
hearing was repetitive and it just didn't stop. It was

956
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,119
still faint and very far away, but it was repetitive.

957
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,079
So then I thought, after I thought maybe it was

958
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:05,960
an owl and I was just going to go back

959
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,159
to sleep. Then I thought, well, maybe it's a bugling elk.

960
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:15,400
And so I was laying there and sure enough it

961
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:21,519
continued without pause, and it was over and over and

962
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:27,679
over again of what I originally called this inward howl.

963
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,519
And it was one after the next, and I will

964
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:36,679
tell you that it started to grow just slightly louder.

965
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:41,400
And so then I started thinking to myself, Okay, probably

966
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,239
not an owl, maybe not a bugling elk. I did

967
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,320
think maybe this was a mountain lion. And then eventually

968
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,239
I ended up having some scary thoughts that maybe it

969
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,320
was a man or a person really a man that

970
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:02,639
was crazy or or drunk way down in the bottom

971
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,440
of a wilderness canyon. And I have to be honest,

972
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,960
that thought immediately went away because of the unlikelihood of that,

973
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,800
and all along it kept going. And so now I'm

974
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,280
in my mind going, what in the world is that,

975
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:23,920
And it's getting louder, and it keeps going, and it's

976
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:30,599
clearly running and howling up the creek down at the

977
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:35,480
bottom of this canyon that I'm sleeping up above. And

978
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:41,800
so I thought, okay, whatever, it is, no problem. I'm

979
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,440
way up here at the top of this canyon and

980
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,920
really at the base of a peak, so.

981
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 9: There's nothing that can get up here.

982
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:53,519
Speaker 5: And earlier in the night, when it was still light,

983
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:57,159
I had definitely looked over the canyon a bunch, and

984
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,079
so I knew that I was right over like a

985
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:05,519
short cliff base with a big screen field down below

986
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:08,400
and then the ravine, and it was huge. I mean,

987
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,519
the relief in those canyons can easily be two thousand feet.

988
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:18,239
So as it started to get louder and louder and

989
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:23,079
clearly running and calling or doing whatever it was doing,

990
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:25,880
crying or for ever you want to call it, all

991
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:32,519
the way up and repetitively, I started thinking, this thing

992
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:39,320
is running up the canyon and is running to.

993
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:41,039
Speaker 9: The boulder field the screen pile down below.

994
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,559
Speaker 5: So then I kind of thought, well, that'll surely stop.

995
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:46,199
Speaker 9: It in its tracks.

996
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 5: And so the time period is a little bit foggy

997
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,719
in my recollection. In all honesty, I think that it

998
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,920
was probably about forty five minutes of hearing it down

999
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,000
in the creek bottom in the ravine until it got

1000
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:05,679
to what was the boulder field down below, and when

1001
00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:11,880
it got to the boulder field again continuously howling or

1002
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,719
inward howling. At that point I could start to hear it.

1003
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,199
I could start to hear clearly that there was something

1004
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:29,000
running and frankly hauling ass and it was going fast

1005
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:34,079
through this boulder field, carrying you know, running and sort

1006
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:37,320
of carrying its body. And I could just start to

1007
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,119
make out rocks moving, but just faintly. Obviously at this

1008
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:44,840
point it was much louder. It was right below me

1009
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:49,800
by two hundred feet. It started, you know, kind of

1010
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:55,079
propelling itself up what was the boulder field. I'm scared,

1011
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:59,639
you guys. I was so scared. I didn't know anything.

1012
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,920
I didn't know what it was. I didn't know if

1013
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,119
it was coming for me. I just was laying there

1014
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:14,280
as scared as you can imagine, completely breathless, completely motionless,

1015
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,039
and thinking, Okay, it's going to get to the bottom

1016
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:23,960
of the cliff, and there's no way any bugling elk or

1017
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:31,880
crazy person or whatever could climb up that cliff, and I,

1018
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,679
being an outdoors person in adventure, I was familiar with

1019
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,639
rock climbing a little bit. At that point. I went

1020
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:42,440
on to do some more rock climbing, but I knew

1021
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,119
that no one could climb that without ropes. It was

1022
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,119
easily a five to nine maybe a five eight pitch.

1023
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:57,119
It would have been a crumbly, very steep cliff face,

1024
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:03,039
and it was at least fifty feet tall, if not,

1025
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:07,960
I don't know, seventy feet seventy five feet. Sure enough,

1026
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,760
the thing started and you could hear it pulling itself

1027
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,920
and climbing up the cliff. And it was really interesting

1028
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,639
because when it got to the bottom and started the

1029
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:22,039
climbing was the first that it had taken a real

1030
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:26,920
break from the howling or the whooping, and so it

1031
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,760
sort of caught its breath, and it had some that

1032
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,559
I could hear, some grunts and some slight pitches, but

1033
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,599
not the repetitious whoops that.

1034
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:42,719
Speaker 9: Later in the call. I can describe to you guys

1035
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:43,280
what I heard.

1036
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 5: But anyways, things started climbing up the cliff, and I'm

1037
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,480
at the very top of it, and I'm just off

1038
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,679
to the side of what was a little creek that

1039
00:59:54,760 --> 01:00:01,519
sort of defined the escarpment and the cliff and then down.

1040
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 9: Into the ravine. It was just off to.

1041
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 5: Sort of the river right side of that little creek

1042
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:14,440
or brook that was really more of ice melt from

1043
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:20,079
the peak above. By about I don't know if I

1044
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:23,000
was fifteen feet or thirty feet, but I was right

1045
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,199
in there, fifteen to thirty feet off the side of

1046
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,719
that little creek that wouldn't have been more than a

1047
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:29,320
foot or two wide.

1048
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 9: So I just kept laying in.

1049
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:36,079
Speaker 5: My bag and essentially praying that I wasn't coming to

1050
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:41,679
get gobbled up. It continued to climb successfully and pretty quickly,

1051
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,719
and when it got to the top of the cliff,

1052
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:50,280
it was so amazing. The thing just pulled itself up

1053
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:56,079
and over. It just used whatever arms it had and

1054
01:00:56,239 --> 01:01:01,440
hoisted itself up and almost like it jumped up and

1055
01:01:01,519 --> 01:01:02,559
over the top.

1056
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: So at that moment you put your eyes on it,

1057
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,000
you could actually see the thing that you've been listening

1058
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:10,639
to for the last forty five minutes at that point,

1059
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:11,920
that's correct.

1060
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 9: And there was moonlight.

1061
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:17,719
Speaker 5: I didn't want to move my eyes, I didn't want

1062
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,039
to move anything. I didn't want to breathe, I didn't

1063
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:26,159
want to move my eyes or my head, but instinct

1064
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:26,880
I had to.

1065
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,639
Speaker 9: I had to see.

1066
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:34,119
Speaker 5: What was you coming for me or whatever? And it

1067
01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:37,719
wasn't coming for me, I'll tell you that now. But nevertheless,

1068
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:43,000
my eyes just went slowly and steadily to the left

1069
01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:47,440
and right. Then it started up as if it was

1070
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:52,280
going to start running again, and took a big breath

1071
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:57,360
and sort of hesitated and stopped just for a split

1072
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:02,880
second and looked looked at me, and I looked at it,

1073
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:06,920
and the only thing that I can describe of what

1074
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,360
I saw was similar to a gorilla.

1075
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 9: I think I scared the crap out of it. Honestly.

1076
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,079
Speaker 5: I think that it was at that moment just as

1077
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:21,920
scared as I was, and realized it wasn't alone thinking

1078
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:27,639
that it was, and I still didn't move and was

1079
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,239
extremely frightened, if not on the verge of a heart attack.

1080
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,039
Speaker 6: That's how I am right now.

1081
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:40,079
Speaker 5: And at that point, so it looks to the left over,

1082
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,960
you know, so we're facing opposite directions, so we both

1083
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:47,360
just barely look to our left, and as soon as

1084
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,920
it notices that there's someone or something else right there,

1085
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:54,239
it just stands up.

1086
01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:59,639
Speaker 9: And howls and takes off so fast.

1087
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:03,039
Speaker 5: Anyways, it took off and was at the base of

1088
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:07,280
that peak in probably ten minutes, maybe fifteen minutes, and

1089
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,599
then it continued to climb up that peak, doing the howl,

1090
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:17,480
the travel howl for another only like twenty or thirty minutes.

1091
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,599
And I'm still laying in my bag, just as scared

1092
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:25,360
as can be. And it stayed up there for hours

1093
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:31,599
and hours until almost sunrise, and it called the whole

1094
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:38,320
time as loud as you can imagine, consistently, one after

1095
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,239
the other, and just stayed there, calling out.

1096
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,039
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and

1097
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:56,000
Bogo will be right back. After these messages, you said

1098
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,559
that when it saw you, what it noticed you up there,

1099
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,719
it let out a how, and then a moment later

1100
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:06,000
you referred to a traveling howl. So that vocalization that

1101
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:08,800
it emitted when it saw you was different than the

1102
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:09,320
other ones.

1103
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 9: It was like a it was more of a grunt.

1104
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:14,199
Speaker 5: It was more of like the grunt that I was

1105
01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:16,599
hearing when it was climbing, and it was like a

1106
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,559
but it was like a hiccup.

1107
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:27,199
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay, And then that's the practice, I did

1108
01:04:27,239 --> 01:04:31,639
the same. Yeah, I get it. So the howl, the

1109
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:35,199
travel howl, that remained pretty consistent from when you first

1110
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,760
started hearing it to when it reached the top of

1111
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,920
the mountain of forty five minutes an hour or so later.

1112
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,199
Speaker 9: It was notably consistent and methodical.

1113
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, to describe that howl, I'm curious what that

1114
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:53,039
was like. It was a whoop along howl, a scream,

1115
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:56,360
high pitched, low pitch. The frequency, what can you tell

1116
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:56,920
us about that?

1117
01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 5: So I've always described it to my closest confidants as

1118
01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:10,760
an inward howl or an inward drawl. And it had

1119
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:17,239
a fairly high but medium high pitch, and it was

1120
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:21,119
it was created, it would be created in drawing the

1121
01:05:21,199 --> 01:05:26,400
lungs in and so the travel or running how how.

1122
01:05:26,679 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 9: That's what I'm calling it would be like.

1123
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: Wow. So that kind of frequency, like, that's how often

1124
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,000
that happened. And that's the approximately the length of the

1125
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:42,519
vocalization you heard as well.

1126
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,159
Speaker 5: From when the moment I heard it until it got

1127
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:49,079
to the bottom of the cliff field or excuse me

1128
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:53,960
that the cliff in the rock field, it was consistent

1129
01:05:54,119 --> 01:05:58,960
and just like that wow. And so that was probably

1130
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,880
close to an hour and a half, maybe two hours

1131
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:02,760
of hearing that.

1132
01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I had the timeline a little off.

1133
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, so what I was saying is it was

1134
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:13,239
probably close to forty five minutes down in the bottom

1135
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,559
of the ravine, so kind of the flat area, and

1136
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:23,760
then another say twenty five maybe forty minutes through the

1137
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:28,760
rock field. And crazy enough, I want to say that

1138
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,000
it climbed that cliff in like five minutes. It was fast,

1139
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:37,280
maybe it was ten, but really I think it was

1140
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,840
a total of from the time I started hearing it

1141
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,880
to the time it got to me my location was

1142
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:45,360
an hour.

1143
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:47,639
Speaker 2: And a half. And that's in real person time, not

1144
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,360
the I'm getting the crap scared out of me alone

1145
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,480
in the Marble Mountains time. Imagine it felt like an

1146
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:54,440
eternity for you.

1147
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:58,639
Speaker 5: Felt like an eternity for sure, and to this day,

1148
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:03,599
I really I do struggle with putting some real time

1149
01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:04,000
to that.

1150
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:09,719
Speaker 8: But I bet was that the solo extended backpacking trip.

1151
01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 5: I don't think it was Bobo no, And I continued

1152
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:16,000
on the trip.

1153
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 9: I actually had a goal.

1154
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 5: I was going to try and go off route and

1155
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:27,000
go in to the wilderness off trail, but I really

1156
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:31,639
couldn't find my way with just wayfinding, and I did

1157
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:33,480
not want to get lost, and I knew my dad

1158
01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:38,559
would kill me if I got lost, So I went

1159
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:41,320
back to the trail and continued on and carried out

1160
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:45,360
a full It was actually ninety eight mile trips.

1161
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:51,599
Speaker 2: That must have changed something with you on that trip,

1162
01:07:52,039 --> 01:07:54,440
Like that's the second day in on a hundred mile

1163
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:57,559
trip that that certainly must have planted some sort of

1164
01:07:57,679 --> 01:07:59,639
seed in you. For the rest of the trip, just

1165
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:02,840
thinking like, holy crap, those things are out here.

1166
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:06,599
Speaker 5: Those things were out there, and I knew that, but

1167
01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:11,039
I was in such shock that I put it in

1168
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:14,440
the depths of my mind. I was so focused on

1169
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:20,159
doing this trip, hello type A, that I just I

1170
01:08:20,199 --> 01:08:22,319
wanted to do the trip. It was a huge goal

1171
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:26,560
for me that whole year, and I just I didn't

1172
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,119
want to let it go because of this creature that

1173
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:32,119
came through my camp.

1174
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,399
Speaker 2: Were they on your radar before that trip? I mean,

1175
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,680
obviously of course you were aware of sasquatches, but like,

1176
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:41,199
did you think they were real? Did you think that

1177
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:43,239
they're just like a normal forest sort of thing out

1178
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:44,479
there that I could run into?

1179
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 5: Oka very much on my radar, by then, because the

1180
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,720
summer before is when I worked for the FEDS and

1181
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,479
spent my summer up in the Klamath the whole time,

1182
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:04,319
and I'd heard stories and I read that great book

1183
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,279
about the bio biodiversity of the sisq.

1184
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,199
Speaker 2: Oh, I know what you're talking about, and they mentioned

1185
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:11,079
it the klimathk Not.

1186
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,279
Speaker 9: Is that it the Klamath Knot? That's it?

1187
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, good one.

1188
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, So they were just barely in my mind. So

1189
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,720
that year that I was working for the FEDS, we

1190
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,680
were doing a survey. We were doing a recreational user survey,

1191
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:32,439
and I actually ended up interviewing this group of cave

1192
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,520
expeditioners that were heading into the Marbles and they were

1193
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,600
going to try and do some mapping of the caves.

1194
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:44,520
And they had mentioned at that interview, you know, yeah,

1195
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:50,600
there's there's caves out there, and and we think that

1196
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:54,600
that that is habitat and home to some of the

1197
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:59,479
Sasquatch and possibly last remaining Sasquatch on the planet. And

1198
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,720
at the time, I mean I was even a year

1199
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,199
younger then, So when I was eighteen, I kind of

1200
01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:11,680
was like, huh, okay, marked that one in the books.

1201
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,960
And so I mean, I knew that there was the

1202
01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:17,640
concept of these things being out there. And like I said,

1203
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,840
you know, I grew up as an outdoors person with

1204
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:27,479
my dad, but nothing like what I had actually experienced.

1205
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 8: And you had on your one the year before, You've

1206
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,720
been an interesting observation.

1207
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 6: You thought that it sounded.

1208
01:10:35,279 --> 01:10:36,199
Speaker 4: Like I was wounded.

1209
01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1210
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:42,119
Speaker 5: So the reason why I was turned on to the

1211
01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:46,399
book the Klamath Not was I met an individual out

1212
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:50,760
there and I myself and my partner, my working partner,

1213
01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:53,079
who I wish I could get a hold of, but

1214
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,399
I have no idea how to get a hold.

1215
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 9: Of this person.

1216
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 5: Anyways, he and I both had this creature through our

1217
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:06,239
camp late one night, and it was it was like

1218
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:11,239
limping and dragging a foot, so it was like and

1219
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,000
it was doing this same kind of almost like a

1220
01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:17,760
howl or howl or a whoop, but it was more

1221
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,880
of a cry and it cried out and it was

1222
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,960
just parallel to us. And that was right there on

1223
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,199
the Klamath River, and it was parallel to us, and

1224
01:11:28,279 --> 01:11:32,439
it was it was seemingly injured just by the sound,

1225
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,600
but we couldn't see it. We were shining our flashlights

1226
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:40,039
up there. We couldn't see anything, and then it just stopped.

1227
01:11:41,119 --> 01:11:46,399
There was nothing for like probably ten minutes, and then

1228
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,479
there was a splash in the river and we think

1229
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,640
that it jumped in the river and swam off.

1230
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 2: Oh so you had an entirely different encounter the year

1231
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,119
before during that when you're working for the FEDS. Is

1232
01:11:58,119 --> 01:11:59,039
that what I'm getting right?

1233
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 9: Right? Okay, right, but I mean hearing.

1234
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 5: An supposed injured sasquatch, Yeah, was pretty far from.

1235
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 9: My fathom ability.

1236
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 5: And then so, yeah, you're right, Cliff, there was somewhere

1237
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,479
in the back of my mind where I was aware

1238
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:24,079
that these creatures possibly existed, and so on the rest

1239
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:25,039
of my trip.

1240
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 9: I just kind of I really put it.

1241
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,079
Speaker 5: I put it in the back of my mind and

1242
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,960
ended up coming into, uh, within three feet of a

1243
01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:37,199
huge black bear.

1244
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 9: And that had me more.

1245
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:44,159
Speaker 5: Concerned than yeah than the first the first guy.

1246
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,279
Speaker 2: Okay, so I got to ask ad you happen to

1247
01:12:49,279 --> 01:12:53,880
look around your campsite for footprints the next morning where

1248
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,880
the thing walked through your camp Definitely.

1249
01:12:57,159 --> 01:13:02,159
Speaker 5: I packed up and looked around, and I was on

1250
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:03,439
I was on a rock face.

1251
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 9: There was nothing, nothing.

1252
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:10,159
Speaker 5: And the and the summer before when the alleged injured

1253
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:14,840
one came through. We looked for footprints in the It

1254
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:16,600
was one of those spots on the river where it's

1255
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:21,239
really rocky, but then there's those perfect fine sand, little

1256
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,520
sand beaches and we couldn't see anything, no tracks.

1257
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,359
Speaker 8: Okay, you know what's interesting was that you guys got

1258
01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:31,439
the census thing was asking you for help in the

1259
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:32,359
first Yes.

1260
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 9: Absolutely, sorry, what do you mean by that?

1261
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about that because Bubbo knows a lot

1262
01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:40,359
more about your encounter than I do, so I don't

1263
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:41,680
know anything, so laid on me.

1264
01:13:42,359 --> 01:13:47,560
Speaker 5: Okay, well it okay, I'll tell that story from the beginning.

1265
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 9: That one.

1266
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 5: I guess I've always had a harder time with that

1267
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,840
one because I didn't see it.

1268
01:13:54,039 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 9: I only heard it. But I'll tell you all about it.

1269
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 5: So my work partner and I we were, you know,

1270
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,960
working for the FED, so we were out camping. It

1271
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:07,920
was a total internship and making no money.

1272
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,279
Speaker 9: It was great, but.

1273
01:14:09,319 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 5: We were We would find all these different places to

1274
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:17,239
camp and this one spot was like this old this

1275
01:14:17,399 --> 01:14:22,000
like old road river access and we took the cars

1276
01:14:22,039 --> 01:14:23,079
down there and we were.

1277
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 9: Like, hey, I think this would be a good spot

1278
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:25,319
to sleep.

1279
01:14:26,079 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 5: So we ate some food at our cars, and then

1280
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,640
we you know, gathered up our bags and just plopped

1281
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,600
them down on the river, and we each we each

1282
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,520
kind of grabbed one of those little sandy beach spots

1283
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,560
like that was our own little camp site. And so

1284
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:51,039
he was easily twenty feet away from me, my buddy.

1285
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,399
And so we went to sleep, and I had I

1286
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,399
was again no tent, but I'm in my sleeping bag,

1287
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:01,600
and I had all my belongings or me, you know,

1288
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:02,800
my journal.

1289
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,399
Speaker 9: My book, my headlamp, and I had a knife.

1290
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 5: So we go to sleep, and I was at that time,

1291
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:15,159
I was asleep too, and I wake up to the

1292
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:23,479
sound of this step drag, step drag through what was

1293
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,039
like oak, oak tree.

1294
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 9: Litter or duff. And it went on for a while.

1295
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 5: It was down the way a bit, and it just

1296
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,960
kept getting closer up towards us, and all we could

1297
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:42,239
hear was step drag, step drag, and it stopped right

1298
01:15:42,279 --> 01:15:48,119
above us, and it cried, and it was like, you

1299
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:50,840
know that one that one I want. I'll embarrass myself

1300
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,920
if I try to mimic it. But it was this

1301
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,520
this cry for help is what it seemed like. And

1302
01:15:59,159 --> 01:16:01,920
we were flashing our lights up there. We couldn't see anything,

1303
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,039
and I eventually I put my light down and I

1304
01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:09,680
was just gripping my knife, but I sort of let

1305
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,880
down my guard because I'm like and I even said

1306
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:14,760
over to Ben, I go, Ben.

1307
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 9: What is it?

1308
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,319
Speaker 5: And by then I sort of let my guard down

1309
01:16:20,399 --> 01:16:25,760
because it was almost like a emotional It wasn't threatening.

1310
01:16:27,039 --> 01:16:31,439
And we just sat there for a little while it

1311
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,680
all stopped, and I'll.

1312
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,239
Speaker 9: Be honest, I fell asleep.

1313
01:16:39,279 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 5: I fell asleep, and I woke up to the splash,

1314
01:16:42,039 --> 01:16:43,920
the sound of the splash of the river.

1315
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,520
Speaker 8: It's draining when you're when you're in a tense situation

1316
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,520
like that, like and your adrenaline is pumping for hours,

1317
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:56,119
it's so so like it's just drained your whole body.

1318
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:57,119
Speaker 9: No kidding.

1319
01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 5: So yeah, so I sometimes get em bare on that

1320
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,600
one that I'm like, yeah, I passed out. I just

1321
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,359
plumb passed out because I was just like, what in

1322
01:17:07,359 --> 01:17:07,720
the heck?

1323
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,359
Speaker 9: And and we both did.

1324
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,199
Speaker 5: We both passed out cold, So it could have, you know,

1325
01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:17,119
come right past us. And we looked for we looked

1326
01:17:17,159 --> 01:17:20,720
for any kind of tracks in the dusk. The next day,

1327
01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:24,600
where it was walking on the beach in the sand,

1328
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,960
all around and it didn't see anything.

1329
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,520
Speaker 2: Well, we thought for a long time they're probably pretty

1330
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:33,479
aware of their footprints, so that's not too surprising. I

1331
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,920
guess at the end of the day, I want to

1332
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,359
ask you a little bit about the what you actually

1333
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,760
visually observed, you know, so fast forward a year. I

1334
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,479
guess from that that the Olympia encounter, you said that

1335
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,760
it looked like a gorilla. Can you describe what you

1336
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,119
saw from the top of the head down to wherever

1337
01:17:52,199 --> 01:17:56,359
you lost it, you know, to steep presumably, So.

1338
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 5: From the top of the head it had a big

1339
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:06,199
blackish brown, squatty head, a big face. I still did

1340
01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:10,159
the stake and look right into its eyes, big eyes,

1341
01:18:10,319 --> 01:18:16,039
big bright eyes, kind of a flat face. And the

1342
01:18:16,079 --> 01:18:18,840
way that it turned its neck, it's like it had

1343
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:25,760
no neck, and it just turned completely to the side,

1344
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:33,239
almost without moving its shoulders. And the shoulders were very

1345
01:18:33,319 --> 01:18:40,479
broad and wide and huge and draping down with these

1346
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:45,239
large arms, kind of in a forward motion. So it

1347
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:49,119
had just climbed itself up and over this rock face,

1348
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,159
and at that point it sort of stopped and was

1349
01:18:52,199 --> 01:18:54,640
about to propel itself to take.

1350
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:55,359
Speaker 9: Off for the mountain.

1351
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:00,159
Speaker 5: When I think it realized that it was not alone.

1352
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,079
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

1353
01:19:04,279 --> 01:19:06,039
We'll be right back after these messages.

1354
01:19:12,319 --> 01:19:19,119
Speaker 5: So it sort of hunched forward, almost like startled. Shoulders

1355
01:19:19,119 --> 01:19:25,960
come forward, just slightly turning, but the neck turns completely

1356
01:19:26,079 --> 01:19:31,479
like ninety degrees over towards me, and then down the

1357
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,399
whole back. I can see its rump and just black

1358
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:41,079
blackish brown fur the whole way down into the legs,

1359
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:45,680
muscular legs. I can picture it right now. I mean

1360
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:50,680
I saw muscles. The thing was huge and ripped and

1361
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:55,920
broad and covered in her So it.

1362
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: Must have been a pretty good moon out. You said

1363
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:58,880
that earlier, but.

1364
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,039
Speaker 5: I believe it was like a few days prior to

1365
01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:04,680
a full moon.

1366
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:09,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then on a rock escarpment. Of course, that reflects.

1367
01:20:09,079 --> 01:20:11,319
And you know, I've done a lot of backpacking in

1368
01:20:11,359 --> 01:20:14,920
the Sierras, for example, and camping on those granite faces.

1369
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,079
It almost is like daylight under good moon conditions. It's ridiculous.

1370
01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:25,279
Speaker 5: So yeah, and my eyes were just cranked in that direction.

1371
01:20:26,119 --> 01:20:29,800
I didn't move my body at all, so you know,

1372
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,560
all I could see was what my eyes could see

1373
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,159
in a slightly turned and really periphery.

1374
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 9: But I saw it. That's what I saw.

1375
01:20:41,039 --> 01:20:44,520
Speaker 2: You might have said this in your initial description, but

1376
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,920
refreshing my memory if you did. How far away were

1377
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,640
you from it from where it came up over the

1378
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,119
cliff and when it first noticed you?

1379
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was on one side of the creek

1380
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,159
anywhere between, you know, fifteen twenty feet maybe thirty at

1381
01:20:58,199 --> 01:21:01,239
the most. And it was just on the other side

1382
01:21:01,279 --> 01:21:05,560
of that little creek or brook by like five or

1383
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:06,159
ten feet.

1384
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 2: Oh so you're within like forty fifty feet up from

1385
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:08,920
the thing.

1386
01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think that I was within thirty feet.

1387
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Yeah, that's horribly close.

1388
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,520
Speaker 5: I'm a forester. I know what thirty feet is.

1389
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, most people don't, honestly, and I don't,

1390
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,520
and I don't want to slam people or anything, but

1391
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:29,199
people are just terrible at distances. I'm sure. Because you're

1392
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:33,319
a forester, you depend on your estimation of distances for

1393
01:21:33,359 --> 01:21:35,359
a lot of what you do, you know, planting trees

1394
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:36,960
or whatever. I don't know. There's probably a million things

1395
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,720
you do that I have no idea about, but I

1396
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,920
have the layman say, oh, it was ten feet for me,

1397
01:21:42,359 --> 01:21:45,039
then that's like Okay, well, maybe that's fifty, maybe that's thirty.

1398
01:21:45,119 --> 01:21:47,359
You know, don't really know, but you're confident in your

1399
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:48,920
ability to judge distances at.

1400
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 5: This point, right, Yeah, And I've relived the experience in

1401
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,560
my mind enough and now knowing what thirty feet is,

1402
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,520
confidently that's.

1403
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 9: That's always the number I come back to.

1404
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 5: And I'm looking at thirty feet away from you right now,

1405
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:04,239
and I'm.

1406
01:22:04,079 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 2: Like, yep, yeah, it was horrifically close, you know, thirty

1407
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,760
feet ten yards. That's ridiculous, and.

1408
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:15,159
Speaker 5: So honestly, I don't know that it so it was

1409
01:22:15,239 --> 01:22:20,239
slightly hunched forward, not on all fours, but just enough

1410
01:22:20,279 --> 01:22:24,279
to where those arms and shoulders were forward. I don't

1411
01:22:24,319 --> 01:22:28,279
think it was much more than eight feet tall. Maybe

1412
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:33,760
standing completely upright, it could have been ten. But I

1413
01:22:34,319 --> 01:22:37,319
you know, like when I went to the museum in

1414
01:22:37,359 --> 01:22:42,199
Felton and they have that like the peak through and

1415
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:47,920
those things are like fifteen feet tall, Like, whoa, I didn't.

1416
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 9: See anything that was fifteen feet tall.

1417
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 5: Just for your guys's records, what I saw, I really

1418
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,640
think was about eight to ten feet tall.

1419
01:22:56,199 --> 01:22:59,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. I imagine you spent some time with topo maps

1420
01:22:59,119 --> 01:23:01,079
because you're doing this trip and you're doing you might

1421
01:23:01,079 --> 01:23:03,720
want to go off trail and the whole thing. I'm

1422
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:08,239
curious why, of all places it walked exactly where you were.

1423
01:23:08,279 --> 01:23:11,000
I mean that it's that's what are the chances of

1424
01:23:11,039 --> 01:23:15,159
that unless it was a path of least resistance in

1425
01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:17,840
some way to get to the top of that mountain?

1426
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,239
Perhaps do you have any insight or thoughts on that?

1427
01:23:21,119 --> 01:23:23,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was off trail. I was. I was off

1428
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,520
in a place that.

1429
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,399
Speaker 5: You know, wouldn't have been right off of a trail

1430
01:23:31,159 --> 01:23:34,439
on on a Tobo map. And when I kind of

1431
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,079
was peeking around that that first lake that I thought

1432
01:23:37,119 --> 01:23:39,920
I would get to and camp at, I sort of

1433
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,640
peeked around and just went you know, the extra not

1434
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:47,199
even quarter mile and sort of looked and was like,

1435
01:23:47,279 --> 01:23:54,159
what in the world, it's this huge rock escarpment, Like

1436
01:23:54,359 --> 01:23:55,239
I'm camping there?

1437
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 9: That's the spot.

1438
01:23:58,039 --> 01:24:01,199
Speaker 2: Did the creature drop by the lake on the way

1439
01:24:01,279 --> 01:24:03,159
and like after it left you on the way to

1440
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:04,000
the top of the mountain?

1441
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 9: No, there was no, there was do not pass go.

1442
01:24:08,199 --> 01:24:13,159
Speaker 5: It went from me directly up and continued on its

1443
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:18,560
already determined route. It knew where it was going and

1444
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:24,079
did not stop and went directly from the little creek

1445
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:28,319
or brook that I was on and followed that up.

1446
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:31,199
Speaker 9: To the peak and the lake.

1447
01:24:32,039 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 5: That little lake would have been off to the west

1448
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,560
by a good quarter mile.

1449
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the things we've noticed over the years, Like, yeah,

1450
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,960
tracked a few sasquatches in our time. Then one of

1451
01:24:46,039 --> 01:24:49,279
the things that comes at is sometimes they're meandering about,

1452
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,840
you know, and the stride that the step lengths are

1453
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,239
usually shorter and all that kind of meandering, like they're

1454
01:24:54,319 --> 01:24:57,359
just kind of poking around, maybe looking for something in particular.

1455
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,720
But there are other times in cases when they seem

1456
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,520
to be going somewhere, like they have a goal in

1457
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,279
mind and for whatever forever reason. And you can tell

1458
01:25:07,279 --> 01:25:09,840
that sometimes because the step length is longer, for example,

1459
01:25:10,079 --> 01:25:12,680
but they seem to hone in on the direction they

1460
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,600
need to go, and they go that way and nothing

1461
01:25:16,039 --> 01:25:18,479
gets in their way. If something's there, they might go

1462
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,720
around something that's insurmountable, some sort of obstacle, but generally speaking,

1463
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,840
they'll go over whatever it is and just goes straight there,

1464
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:28,880
you know, just just you know, as the crow flies,

1465
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,479
as they say, no matter what's in their way. So

1466
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,560
maybe this is one of those cases perhaps right.

1467
01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 5: I've thought about the path a lot, and I think

1468
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,199
that it was either a path that it had traveled

1469
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:48,520
before multiple times, or it was it was, you know,

1470
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,079
just pre established it was.

1471
01:25:51,239 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 9: It was definitely a direct route. It knew where it

1472
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:54,880
was going.

1473
01:25:55,399 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 2: Do you have any speculations on why it might have

1474
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,880
been going there? I do.

1475
01:26:01,039 --> 01:26:06,159
Speaker 5: The week after my trip ended, I was meeting up

1476
01:26:06,199 --> 01:26:10,920
with some friends to go climb at Mount Shasta and

1477
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,600
to go climb the peak, and I'll just tell you, guys,

1478
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,680
I didn't make it. I did not sum it because

1479
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:20,199
I was so worn out from from the hiking trip,

1480
01:26:20,399 --> 01:26:24,960
and my friends actually left me at the at the start.

1481
01:26:25,039 --> 01:26:26,960
We you know, I made it to base camp. But

1482
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,760
it's a big it's a big climb to go at

1483
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:29,399
Mount Shasta.

1484
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:33,319
Speaker 2: Well, we won't tell anybody it didn't make it. It's

1485
01:26:33,359 --> 01:26:37,079
just broadcast that no one listens to this, that's all right.

1486
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1487
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,159
Speaker 5: So I was so worn out from from the trip

1488
01:26:42,199 --> 01:26:44,680
that I stayed back at our base camp.

1489
01:26:45,079 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 9: But when we had gone down.

1490
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 5: After that to the little campground for just like a

1491
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:55,840
after trip camp out before we go had headed back home,

1492
01:26:57,039 --> 01:27:00,600
I met this this woman at the campground there and.

1493
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 9: I was with a group.

1494
01:27:03,319 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 5: Of girlfriends and so we kind of befriended her and

1495
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:11,399
a bunch of people that she was camping with and they,

1496
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,159
you know, it was a campground, so they kind of

1497
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:17,319
had a party that night. And she was this really

1498
01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:22,720
nice lady and she noticed that I was limping and

1499
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:23,760
she was like, what's wrong.

1500
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,520
Speaker 9: Why are you limping? And I was like, oh, my

1501
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,600
knee hurts. I kind of blew it out.

1502
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:31,560
Speaker 5: I just finished up a big hike and it's really sore.

1503
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:36,000
And she was like, oh, well, I do reiki riki healing.

1504
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:37,520
Do you do you want me to do like a

1505
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:38,319
little reiki.

1506
01:27:38,119 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 9: Treatment on you?

1507
01:27:39,319 --> 01:27:43,520
Speaker 5: And I'm like sure, And so we sit down and

1508
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,000
I give her my knee and she's you know, rubbing

1509
01:27:46,079 --> 01:27:47,399
my knee doing whatever.

1510
01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:50,600
Speaker 9: And she was really interesting.

1511
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:54,239
Speaker 5: She goes, so you just went on a big backpacking trip,

1512
01:27:54,279 --> 01:27:55,920
a big hiking trip by yourself.

1513
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:56,600
Speaker 9: I'm like yeah.

1514
01:27:57,359 --> 01:28:01,399
Speaker 5: She's like that's interesting, and she kind of was looking

1515
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:05,159
at me funny, and I was like, yeah, this this

1516
01:28:05,279 --> 01:28:08,920
really strange thing happened to me on the trip.

1517
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 9: And she was like, oh, tell me. I was like, well,

1518
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:14,520
it was pretty wild.

1519
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:19,199
Speaker 5: I'm like i'll tell you, but and so she just listened,

1520
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,560
and she listened to my whole recollection of what had

1521
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,840
just happened. And I didn't even tell my girlfriends when

1522
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,800
we went up to Shasta, I didn't even tell them,

1523
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,880
So she was essentially the very first person who I told.

1524
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,119
And she listened to my story the whole way through,

1525
01:28:38,199 --> 01:28:43,439
and she said, I'm a Koduk Indian and my father's

1526
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:48,479
Koduk and has been going up every summer, late summer

1527
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:52,159
and every once in a while. I don't know what

1528
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,720
his pattern is, but my father goes up to the

1529
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:01,079
tops of the peaks and records sasquatches doing their mating calls.

1530
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:05,079
And I think that that's what you experienced was a

1531
01:29:05,119 --> 01:29:06,319
sasquatch mating call.

1532
01:29:07,319 --> 01:29:09,520
Speaker 8: I'll bet if you can figure out what that peak was,

1533
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,359
I'm sure they do it every year on that same peak.

1534
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:15,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, I can figure it out. I've looked at it

1535
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:16,279
in the past.

1536
01:29:16,319 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 5: They just haven't come up with a map file, but

1537
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,760
I can do that. But it made a lot of

1538
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,359
sense to me when she said that.

1539
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 2: I was like, of course, well, yeah, there are. There

1540
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,640
aren't very many reasons animals vocalized in general. I mean

1541
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,199
that because you know they don't want to be they

1542
01:29:32,199 --> 01:29:34,760
don't want to give their spot away, that give themselves away,

1543
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:38,239
and mating, I suppose would be top on the list,

1544
01:29:38,319 --> 01:29:41,319
I guess, you know, unless they're like highly social like

1545
01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:44,399
birds or something like that. You always chirping back and

1546
01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:47,119
forth to when another humans for that matter. And that's

1547
01:29:47,159 --> 01:29:49,479
kind of something I bring up quite often, is when

1548
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:53,960
you hear a sasquatch vocalize, chances are it's not doing

1549
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,119
that for its own benefit. It's that most animals don't

1550
01:29:57,159 --> 01:29:59,760
talk to themselves. In other words, humans are kind of

1551
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,840
special that way. There might be another one nearby, and

1552
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,840
that's something that you need to keep in mind. I think.

1553
01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, alsoppressed, you didn't hear one to answer at all,

1554
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:10,600
Not at all.

1555
01:30:11,039 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's a lot that's expending an awful lot

1556
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:17,000
of calories to get to at one certain location, you know,

1557
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,199
because that's climbing straight up to the top of a mountain. Basically,

1558
01:30:20,279 --> 01:30:24,119
that's not easy under any circumstance. So to get up

1559
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:27,000
there and then hoot and holler until morning time, there

1560
01:30:27,079 --> 01:30:29,119
must be a darn good reason to expend all those

1561
01:30:29,119 --> 01:30:33,239
calories doing it, and certainly mating would be one of them.

1562
01:30:33,279 --> 01:30:37,479
Just because a rare species like this that's spread very

1563
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,439
thinly across the landscape has to have some sort of

1564
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:44,199
trouble finding other sasquatches. Now, and now, let me ask

1565
01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:46,239
you this real fast. And I know that you probably

1566
01:30:46,279 --> 01:30:48,560
didn't see it's junk or anything like that, but did

1567
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,199
you get the impression this was a male or a female?

1568
01:30:52,319 --> 01:30:55,279
Speaker 5: I really early on got the impression that it was

1569
01:30:55,319 --> 01:30:57,600
a male. When it was down in the bottom of

1570
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:01,359
the canyon. It immediately was, like, I said, a crazy man,

1571
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:03,920
a drunk guy coming for me.

1572
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1573
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting that you've suspected, even for

1574
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,239
a moment, that this might be a human. So there

1575
01:31:10,319 --> 01:31:13,920
must have been something about the vocalization that reminded you

1576
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:18,399
of a human in some sort of way. Stay tuned

1577
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:21,520
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll

1578
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:29,880
be right back after these messages. So, now you're a

1579
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,920
forester for a living. Have you heard other people who

1580
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,399
work for the Forestry Service or FEDS or anything like

1581
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:38,159
that talk about sasquatch encounters that they've had.

1582
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 5: I only have one friend who's in a slightly related

1583
01:31:44,399 --> 01:31:48,239
position and career share another story. But I have to

1584
01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:51,760
be totally honest with you, I really don't cross mingle

1585
01:31:52,399 --> 01:31:59,000
the sasquatch siding with my professional forestry career. I've you know,

1586
01:31:59,039 --> 01:32:05,319
when I've shared this and my recollection, I've been really

1587
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:09,479
ridiculed and even by close friends.

1588
01:32:10,199 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 9: Luckily not any of my family. It's pretty cool.

1589
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 5: My family supports me and what I saw, But I've

1590
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:24,960
borderline lost friends over this story, and so I tend

1591
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,439
to keep it separate from my forestry career. I've shared

1592
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:32,439
it with a few people, but you know, there has

1593
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:35,199
to be a lot of trust there first, and more

1594
01:32:35,239 --> 01:32:38,600
of a friendship. But I do have a friend who

1595
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:43,399
is in a related hydrology field, and he and his

1596
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:47,520
wife had actually come across one up in the Feather

1597
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:55,399
River Canyon apparently and allegedly was like a juvenile, And

1598
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:59,680
they pulled into this remote campsite up in the Feather

1599
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:04,239
River Canyon off the highway, and when they pulled in,

1600
01:33:04,279 --> 01:33:08,239
their headlights were shining on this short, kind of squatty

1601
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:13,680
kid like sasquatch that peered out just from behind the tree,

1602
01:33:14,399 --> 01:33:17,600
kind of walked out, stared at it right in the headlights,

1603
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:19,119
and then ran off.

1604
01:33:20,119 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 2: I could be incorrect about this, because I mean, obviously

1605
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,359
I live, and just like Bobo, we both live pretty

1606
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:30,319
bigfoot centric lives, you know, our lives are you know,

1607
01:33:30,319 --> 01:33:32,560
we're basically drowning in the subject. So we probably have

1608
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,520
a skewed perception on some of this, but it seems

1609
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,680
to me, at least set the Forest Service and a

1610
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:41,319
lot of those sort of folks in general forest tree

1611
01:33:41,359 --> 01:33:43,479
people are kind of opening up a little bit more

1612
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,399
to it. Like, for example, I live on timberland and

1613
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:48,279
therefore I get like a tax to ferment because I

1614
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,079
have forests on my property, you know. And so I've

1615
01:33:51,079 --> 01:33:53,760
been dealing a lot with the Malala District guys because

1616
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:55,760
they have to come out and instect my property because

1617
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:57,800
the previous owners clear cut it and they want to

1618
01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,560
make sure I replant it and all that sort of

1619
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,000
stuff to kind of keep my forest deferment for my property.

1620
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:05,680
Faxes and I talk to them about bigfoot stuff. They

1621
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,279
haven't seen any, but they're pretty open to it, and

1622
01:34:07,279 --> 01:34:10,239
they have they have some good questions and whatever. And

1623
01:34:10,359 --> 01:34:13,640
as listeners of the podcast will know, this past fall,

1624
01:34:14,399 --> 01:34:17,920
mountain Hood some well some not not in an official capacity,

1625
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:21,159
but rangers from the mountain Hood National Forests reached out

1626
01:34:21,159 --> 01:34:23,960
to me because they got sasquatch sighting reported to them.

1627
01:34:25,119 --> 01:34:29,640
So it seems that that that icy wall is somewhat

1628
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:34,199
breaking down to some degree at least. Maybe it's just

1629
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:37,000
because the old the older folks are retiring or dying

1630
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,520
off and the new generations coming in and they're a

1631
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:41,279
little bit more open to that sort of thing. Or

1632
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:43,600
I don't know what it is, But can you comment

1633
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:45,600
at all about anything that I've just said, Like, do

1634
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:47,880
you think that's true at all? Or what do you

1635
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:48,640
what are your thoughts?

1636
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:52,039
Speaker 5: I think I think that the icy wall you describe

1637
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:58,079
is is coming down, but it just doesn't do the

1638
01:34:57,319 --> 01:35:02,279
the scientific community any justice that it's not you know,

1639
01:35:02,359 --> 01:35:07,560
a classified specie species. It's not you know, keyed out

1640
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:13,239
as a living, existing thing. And so that's where I mean,

1641
01:35:13,359 --> 01:35:17,479
once it is adopted as a as a as a

1642
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:26,359
classified primate mammal, then that wall's gone. But without having

1643
01:35:26,399 --> 01:35:31,479
that scientific you know, background of a scientific name, it's

1644
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:32,199
going nowhere.

1645
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1646
01:35:33,079 --> 01:35:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you what do you think is going

1647
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:36,680
to happen? Because you know these are I mean obviously

1648
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:40,760
you know they're real clearly, you know, And it's only therefore,

1649
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,920
in my opinion, it's really only a matter at time

1650
01:35:43,079 --> 01:35:45,960
until the type specimen is brought in. What do you

1651
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,199
think that will look like from your end, like how

1652
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:52,079
it will affect your job and and how how do

1653
01:35:52,119 --> 01:35:55,159
you think it will go down? Basically, how it.

1654
01:35:55,159 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 5: Would affect my my career is you know, it would

1655
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,359
uh probably for one, open up a bunch of experiences

1656
01:36:03,359 --> 01:36:07,520
and encounters that people have never reported and just go, yep,

1657
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:10,119
I saw one here, I saw one here, and those

1658
01:36:10,119 --> 01:36:10,840
stories will.

1659
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 9: Be coming out of the woodwork.

1660
01:36:12,359 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 5: And secondly, I mean at that point would probably be

1661
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:23,039
identified as somewhat endangered, if not extinct species, and so

1662
01:36:23,359 --> 01:36:27,439
there would be protection measures I would hope put into place,

1663
01:36:28,159 --> 01:36:30,319
and so that would be that would.

1664
01:36:30,079 --> 01:36:34,159
Speaker 2: Be good, Yeah, because it would have to immediately I imagine,

1665
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:36,800
be declared endangered even if it's not, and I don't

1666
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,039
think they are necessarily, but I think it would be

1667
01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:44,359
immediately declared as endangered until a thorough ecological study could

1668
01:36:44,359 --> 01:36:47,000
be done and you know the way these things are,

1669
01:36:47,039 --> 01:36:48,520
that could take a decade.

1670
01:36:48,079 --> 01:36:52,640
Speaker 5: Man, right, that it would be really beneficial I think

1671
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:57,600
for the protection and for the knowledge that it is

1672
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:02,600
a not a hoax or be some you know, mythical creature.

1673
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would it would validate a whole lot of witnesses.

1674
01:37:07,359 --> 01:37:10,720
I do that it would go. It would validate entire cultures,

1675
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:14,039
like the indigenous cultures of North America. They would get

1676
01:37:14,079 --> 01:37:19,479
such a validation to their stories and unique oral traditions.

1677
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:23,000
But it also, you know, you said the whole lot

1678
01:37:23,039 --> 01:37:26,000
of stories will come out. I would also predict that

1679
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:29,640
a whole lot of videos and photographs will come out

1680
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:32,479
that people have just been sitting on because they don't

1681
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,720
want to be thought a fool or the local drunk

1682
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:35,560
or something.

1683
01:37:35,319 --> 01:37:40,039
Speaker 5: Like that, and hopefully some immediate protection measures.

1684
01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:42,239
Speaker 9: So I'll sit on that panel for sure.

1685
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 2: Oh fantastic. Well, so, Sarah Bobo and I have both

1686
01:37:47,079 --> 01:37:51,359
heard from more than one source that people are very

1687
01:37:51,399 --> 01:37:53,279
high up in the government are aware of these things.

1688
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,039
But what do you have any thoughts on some sort

1689
01:37:56,039 --> 01:37:59,640
of overarching conspiracy or some nonsense or I think most

1690
01:38:00,359 --> 01:38:05,960
conspiracies are nonsense personally. So are there any conspiracy conspiratorial

1691
01:38:06,039 --> 01:38:10,399
thoughts in your mind about this, because obviously there would

1692
01:38:10,399 --> 01:38:15,039
be a huge economic issue for closing off a lot

1693
01:38:15,079 --> 01:38:17,560
of land and all this other stuff, because we all

1694
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:21,319
saw what the snailed art fish the consequences of that

1695
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:24,880
or the consequences of the spotted owl in the Pacific Northwest.

1696
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,319
I mean, I would say that the logging industry still

1697
01:38:27,359 --> 01:38:31,159
hasn't really fully recovered from that whole ordeal. Do you

1698
01:38:31,159 --> 01:38:34,439
think there's any sort of conspiracy amongst any level of

1699
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:38,079
government that's a concerted effort or do you think it's

1700
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:40,680
just individuals not really wanting to talk about it.

1701
01:38:41,359 --> 01:38:42,159
Speaker 9: Yeah, I wouldn't.

1702
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:46,239
Speaker 5: I wouldn't know enough to know about a concerted effort.

1703
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:50,159
But what comes to mind is I think it's more

1704
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:55,039
in my industry specifically. I think it's more almost of

1705
01:38:55,079 --> 01:38:59,840
a jealous feeling that they haven't seen one and so

1706
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,800
so they immediately.

1707
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:02,560
Speaker 9: Knock it down.

1708
01:39:03,359 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 5: Now at the higher level, you know, with leadership, government

1709
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:15,279
decision makers, I'm honestly at a loss of why this

1710
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:20,079
isn't a you know, a documented species, and so so

1711
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:23,000
I've had, you know, thoughts of my own of is

1712
01:39:23,039 --> 01:39:27,119
there is there some sort of conspiracy to to protect

1713
01:39:27,239 --> 01:39:30,520
or to hide this creature from legitimacy.

1714
01:39:31,279 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 9: I mean, I've had that thought.

1715
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:36,399
Speaker 5: Myself a lot, because I saw what I saw and

1716
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:42,439
it's still not a believed creature for the most part,

1717
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:46,239
and so it's it's actually kind of frustrating. Not kind of,

1718
01:39:46,359 --> 01:39:51,880
it's very frustrating from my end. It's there's some emotions

1719
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:55,680
that go along with it, like embarrassment and like I said,

1720
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:59,079
maybe jealousy from the others.

1721
01:39:59,079 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 2: You know what, especially with this species of all of them,

1722
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,520
because you know, we study the other apes, for example,

1723
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:08,159
to learn more about ourselves. That's our biological family, right,

1724
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:10,680
and you think that like, oh, here's an opportunity to

1725
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:15,560
learn so much more about where we came from. Like

1726
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:18,600
why wouldn't they just jump on this. It just doesn't

1727
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,399
make sense to me at all. But so I've always

1728
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,920
thought like, if there is some sort of effort, it's

1729
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,279
really a passive effort. I mean, people aren't going out

1730
01:40:27,359 --> 01:40:30,600
and you know, squat black people in like black SUVs,

1731
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,479
aren't picking up dead ones on the side of the road,

1732
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:35,039
in my opinion, or anything like that. Although I've heard

1733
01:40:35,039 --> 01:40:37,760
more than my fair share of stories like that. I've

1734
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:41,000
heard stories probably once every two weeks in my Bigfoot

1735
01:40:41,079 --> 01:40:44,039
museum up here by Portland, Oregon, somebody comes in ask

1736
01:40:44,119 --> 01:40:48,680
me about these conspiratorial ideas of helicopters whisking dead bigfoots

1737
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:51,359
away from Mount Saint Helens after it blew in nineteen eighty.

1738
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:54,359
But if there is a conspiracy, it must be an

1739
01:40:54,359 --> 01:40:58,399
awful passive one, something like, well, the bigfoots seem to

1740
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:00,880
be taken care of themselves pretty well, so let's not

1741
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,560
expend any resources towards this because they got outunder control.

1742
01:41:05,279 --> 01:41:07,560
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, that's a happy thought. I'm going to go

1743
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:08,119
with that one.

1744
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:10,640
Speaker 5: And I think I think we're all leaning on you,

1745
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:15,479
Cliff and Bobo, to help us, you know, help the

1746
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:21,560
species become something that's validated, recognized and approved by the

1747
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:23,479
scientific community.

1748
01:41:24,399 --> 01:41:26,159
Speaker 8: Well, shoot, this has been a good one, Cliff. What

1749
01:41:26,199 --> 01:41:28,840
do you think that was our best witness testimony so far?

1750
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:33,359
Speaker 2: I'd say that's fantastic. Just the proximity, the encounter, the

1751
01:41:34,279 --> 01:41:38,520
observations you made, and knowing that we're speaking to a legit,

1752
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:43,119
you know, forestry professional here, all of those things just

1753
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:45,520
tie into this beautiful situation that you brought us. Man

1754
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:47,760
that this is an amazing encounter. Thank you so much,

1755
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:49,800
Boba for setting us up, and thank you so much

1756
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:50,760
Sarah for joining us.

1757
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 9: Absolutely honored you guys. Thank you so much. And like

1758
01:41:55,039 --> 01:41:57,479
I said, I really appreciate your guys work.

1759
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 5: I've been following you guys and watching the shows and

1760
01:42:02,039 --> 01:42:05,800
now listening to this podcast, and and I really look

1761
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:09,039
up to you guys. This is this is truly an honor,

1762
01:42:09,239 --> 01:42:13,319
and today's talk has been a dream come true.

1763
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:15,319
Speaker 6: Nerd.

1764
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 9: I used to watch the show a.

1765
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:24,119
Speaker 5: Bunch and I'm like, oh, come on, Cliff yelling at

1766
01:42:24,119 --> 01:42:26,359
you from from my living room.

1767
01:42:27,039 --> 01:42:29,159
Speaker 2: Well, you know people yelled at me on set too,

1768
01:42:29,239 --> 01:42:32,319
so yeah.

1769
01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 6: I was always have to keep that guy straight.

1770
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I had Bobo to point the way

1771
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:36,399
for me. Yeah.

1772
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 9: Good.

1773
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:42,359
Speaker 8: Well, if you see anything else out in the woods

1774
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:44,600
or here's something, you let us know and come back on.

1775
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:48,319
Speaker 9: Okay, I will do that. Quit my day job.

1776
01:42:49,239 --> 01:42:51,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, quit your day jobs. Do big foot stuff

1777
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:53,960
full time. There's no money in it, but holy smokes,

1778
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,239
it's a lot of fun.

1779
01:42:56,319 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 5: Is great.

1780
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you so much, Sarah, Thanks guys, by

1781
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,560
so Bobo man, that was a great witness. I can't

1782
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,720
believe you pulled one out like that. That was amazing.

1783
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,039
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you recognize that story, I'm sure read off

1784
01:43:11,079 --> 01:43:11,560
the bat.

1785
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 2: I have read it. I have read it, but you know,

1786
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:16,439
things get jumbled in my mind, you know, like these

1787
01:43:17,079 --> 01:43:19,399
all these basically all the reports from the last twenty

1788
01:43:19,399 --> 01:43:21,479
five twenty six years of doing this just get all

1789
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:23,720
jumbled up. So it's nice to have a refresher course,

1790
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,239
especially when it's straight from the witness's mouth.

1791
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1792
01:43:27,039 --> 01:43:31,680
Speaker 8: She was excellent relaying details, and her memory was great.

1793
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:33,520
Speaker 6: Her observational skills were great.

1794
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:36,279
Speaker 2: I mean, and she's cautious. She even said, like at

1795
01:43:36,319 --> 01:43:38,560
one point she said, I'm not so sure that, so

1796
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:40,399
I'm not going to say it, you know, like I

1797
01:43:40,399 --> 01:43:41,640
think it was the peak of the mountain if I

1798
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:44,960
remember right. She's cautious about what she's saying to make

1799
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:48,239
sure that everything she's saying is accurate. And I so

1800
01:43:48,319 --> 01:43:50,680
appreciate that from a witness instead of just making something

1801
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:52,960
up or answering even though they may not be one

1802
01:43:53,039 --> 01:43:53,760
hundred percent for.

1803
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 8: Sure, right right, Yeah, those are the witnesses everyone dreams

1804
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:00,000
about talking to you.

1805
01:44:00,399 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1806
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic man. So thank you, Bob. So that was amazing.

1807
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:07,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, we got some great guests coming up, so if

1808
01:44:07,159 --> 01:44:08,920
you listen to this one, folks, we got more coming

1809
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:13,119
for you. And until next time, keep it Squatchy.

1810
01:44:17,359 --> 01:44:20,680
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