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You'll like me lighter well. 25 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: Now. 26 00:02:03,439 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: From February eighth, nineteen fifty one, here is the Big. 27 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,439 Speaker 3: Cast, Ladies and gentlemen, proud to bring you its prize 28 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:16,520 winning radio program, winner of the Motion Picture Herald Fame Award. 29 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:26,479 Speaker 4: The story you're about to hear is true, only the 30 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,759 names have been changed to protect the innocent. 31 00:02:36,439 --> 00:02:41,199 Speaker 3: You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned to Homicide Detail. Twelve 32 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,080 men drop completely from sight over a short period of time. 33 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:49,439 There's evidence of foul play. Four months past, you finally 34 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:53,879 locate the leading suspect in the case. Your job, pick him. 35 00:02:53,759 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 5: Up, drag meet the documented drama of an actual crime. 36 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,199 For the next thirty minutes. In cooperation with the Los 37 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,520 Angeles Police Department, you will travel step by step on 38 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:15,159 the side of the law through an actual case transcribed 39 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:19,439 from official police violence, from beginning to end, from crime 40 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:22,520 to punishment. Drag Net is the story of your police 41 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,360 force in action. 42 00:03:26,599 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 3: It was Wednesday, October the sixth, was sultry in Los Angeles. 43 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:32,400 We were working the day watch out of homicide. My 44 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,599 partner's Ben Romero, the boss istat Brown Chief of detectives. 45 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,080 My name's Friday. We were on the way out from 46 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,639 the office and was ten forty five am when we 47 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:49,280 got to our Tegas Street number twelve eighty five, second floor. Yeah, 48 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:58,159 room fourteen. They all smell the same, don't they. What's 49 00:03:58,199 --> 00:04:03,319 a rooman housing coorea? H No, these are the odd 50 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:10,280 numbers here, must be down that way. Huh yeah, here 51 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:23,199 it is fourteen. Yeah, it's a minute, taking his time, 52 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:26,439 Try it again. 53 00:04:28,319 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right? 54 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:37,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, police officers. Your name Henry Ross. 55 00:04:37,639 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: Get out of here, get all right? 56 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: Come on? 57 00:04:50,560 --> 00:05:01,519 Speaker 2: Where all right? What what do you want? 58 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,959 Speaker 4: Ben? Yeah? I got him? What is this? 59 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: You guys really costs? 60 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 4: Come on, get up so fuller, no fulling, you're really coss. 61 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,879 I thought you're faking. We showed you your identification at 62 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:18,240 the door. 63 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: I thought you're faking. That's the truth. 64 00:05:20,519 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 4: There's a couple of guys got to mess me up. 65 00:05:22,199 --> 00:05:23,839 I thought you were them. 66 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: Is your name Henry Ross? Yeah, that's right. 67 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 6: I thought you were one of those moochers had a 68 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,199 fight within the bar the other night. So he's gonna 69 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,879 get a power and come back in take care of me. Yeah, yeah, 70 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:41,000 I got no reason to fight with cops. I didn't 71 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,240 do my room any good land ladyes, sh're gonna scream. 72 00:05:44,879 --> 00:05:46,439 Speaker 3: Come on, you want to finish up dressing? I want 73 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:50,600 to talk to you downtown. It's a bout officer missing person. 74 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,439 They'll brief you when we get downtown. Oh that's Harry 75 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,319 with me. Take his handcuffs off, please, it's kind of 76 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,160 hard dressing with him. 77 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 4: All you have to do is put your shoes on. 78 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,079 You man, all right, I don't know. 79 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,639 Speaker 6: Why you had the slap handcuffs. Tell me I didn't 80 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:07,720 know your cops. You mind if we chick through your 81 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,160 things wrong? Why you mind? Oh go ahead if you want. 82 00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: I got on the hip. 83 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 6: You know, if you spoke up at the door, that 84 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,560 wouldn't have been a fight. I thought you were that 85 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,399 mooch in the bar and he's praying. I thought you 86 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:22,240 were looking for trouble. 87 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 4: You by ready to go. 88 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd like to brush my teeth off. 89 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:27,399 Speaker 2: You don't mind. 90 00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 4: I got a real muffull of cot in his monkey. 91 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:32,199 All right, what do you keep your tooth brush and 92 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:32,680 so here? 93 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: I'll get it. 94 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:34,199 Speaker 4: No, I'll get it. Never mind. 95 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:38,759 Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, first show, it's in the glass. Don't you 96 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:39,240 trust me? 97 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 4: There? You go? Want some toothpaste? 98 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:44,639 Speaker 2: Yeah? 99 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:51,879 Speaker 4: All right, yeah, turn on the water tap on? Thanks? 100 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 6: Nothing, Joe's pretty clean, of course I'm clean. What do 101 00:06:56,319 --> 00:06:58,560 you expect anybody could have made the mistake? 102 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,319 Speaker 2: I didn't know your. 103 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,399 Speaker 4: Cops was Worth Ross. That's your full name. 104 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 105 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: Hard to ever used the Elsworth. It's a real lazzy name. 106 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,519 Speaker 4: Huh. What's a fetch on all this? 107 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: Officer? 108 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,279 Speaker 4: We told you a missing person. I want to talk 109 00:07:13,279 --> 00:07:15,160 to you about it. I don't think I can help you. 110 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,839 Nobody I know he's missing. How about Paul Davis Davis? 111 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know Davis. 112 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 4: I don't know what his name is. Paul been gone 113 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:28,879 a long time, isn't miss Davis? 114 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 115 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 4: That's right? 116 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:33,759 Speaker 2: Even more? Something wrong? 117 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 4: You think we figure murder? 118 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:43,319 Speaker 3: After going over his room thoroughly, we took Henry Ellsworth 119 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:45,800 Ross back to the city hall to the interrogation room. 120 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,480 Who was a slightly built man, dark hair, brown eyes, 121 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:50,480 swarthy complexion. 122 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,279 Speaker 4: It was a long shoreman by trade. 123 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: Among his friends and acquaintances, he was known as a 124 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:58,079 heavy drinker and a man with a violent temper. Ben 125 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,720 and I questioned him for a half an hour and 126 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:03,480 got nowhere. He sat across the table, relaxed, scraping at 127 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,519 a thick callous on his hand with his fingernail. 128 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,839 Speaker 4: I'll tell you the truth. I just don't know what 129 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,120 you're getting at. I think I know a guy named Davis, and. 130 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: It's about as far as it goes. Sure, that's all 131 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,439 you've got to Dallas, of course, I'm sure, ah loock, 132 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:17,759 I got a right to call a lawyer if you're 133 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:18,720 gonna sit there and throw a lot of. 134 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:19,319 Speaker 2: Charges at me. 135 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,519 Speaker 3: We're not throwing charges at your hand. We've got a 136 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,680 missing person's case. We'd like to have you cooperate. 137 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:24,199 Speaker 4: That's about it. 138 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: Well, maybe i'd like to, but I can't. Paul Davis 139 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:29,160 is just a name of me. Maybe I know him, 140 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:32,159 I I don't know. You got that report event m Yeah, 141 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:39,159 just a minute, there you go. Thanks, here's the way 142 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,759 it goes in. Yeah, according to his wife. Paul Davis 143 00:08:42,879 --> 00:08:45,399 left Los Angeles by auto a little over four months ago, 144 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,639 was driving up to Oakdale, California to take a job 145 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:49,960 with a dairy company up there. 146 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:52,759 Speaker 4: He never got there. He's been missing ever since. 147 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: So what's the picture. 148 00:08:54,919 --> 00:08:56,799 Speaker 4: All we've been able to find is Davis's car. 149 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 3: It's a thirty six Ford coup seven Toms seven nine 150 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,480 two was sold a month ago up in Low Dye, California, 151 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:06,240 but Davis didn't sell it. Man with the name of 152 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,039 Carter signed the pink slip at the time of the sale, 153 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:09,840 Henry Carter. 154 00:09:10,639 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't mean anything to me. 155 00:09:12,919 --> 00:09:15,639 Speaker 4: Wes Carter made it look like Paul Davis had signed 156 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:18,360 the Ford over to him. We checked it out. Davis's 157 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:19,399 signature was forged. 158 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: That so supposed to. That has something to do with me. 159 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 3: Did you ever use the name Henry Carter? Of course 160 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,639 not Ross, that's some of the name might go by. 161 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:30,120 Never had your name, Jane, never used the navy I 162 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:30,759 told you no. 163 00:09:32,279 --> 00:09:33,879 Speaker 4: I wonder if you'd mind taking a look at this. 164 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:36,840 Here you go this year. 165 00:09:38,159 --> 00:09:39,039 Speaker 2: We just got to do with me. 166 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,919 Speaker 4: It's the pink slip to Paul Davis. Carr. 167 00:09:42,919 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 3: See these signatures on the back here, transfer of ownership. 168 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:47,080 You recognize either one of them? 169 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: Paul Davis Henry Carter. 170 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: Doesn't mean anything to me? 171 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:54,759 Speaker 2: Is it supposed to? It should? 172 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 4: Yeah? Why the signatures? They're both in your handwriting? How 173 00:09:59,320 --> 00:09:59,919 about Henry? 174 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:00,519 Speaker 2: About what? 175 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:02,799 Speaker 3: I don't even know what you're talking about. You're trying 176 00:10:02,799 --> 00:10:04,360 to give me the treatment. What's this all about? 177 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,639 Speaker 4: Trying to locate Paul Dave. I'm not even sure I 178 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,759 know the guy. I think you better level Henry. Our 179 00:10:08,799 --> 00:10:11,200 handwriting man checked both the signatures that you're writing, and 180 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,919 then maybe you better get a new handwriting man. 181 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,919 Speaker 3: I never saw that slip. I never wrote those signatures. 182 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,320 Anybody can copy handwriting. 183 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: Oh it got something else for your ross. I like 184 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,600 to have you check it over, see if you can 185 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:25,399 identify it. What is it? It's a letter? I want 186 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,480 to take a look. Here mean anything to you? No? 187 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: No, nothing? 188 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: Now, OK, A'm not gonna tell me this is my handwriting. 189 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:35,720 That's what the report said. Oh it's crazy. 190 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:37,159 Speaker 2: I never wrote like that in my life. 191 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: All the writing characteristics match up same as the signatures 192 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:42,240 on Pink's lap. All right, maybe they are the same. 193 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:43,480 I didn't write either one. 194 00:10:44,039 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: I never wrote like that in my life. Here let 195 00:10:45,759 --> 00:10:46,279 me show you all. 196 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 4: Sorry, Henry Ben you want to pull the package tomorrow 197 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,759 and I yeah, okay. 198 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: Don savvy one bit of this, sergeant. How about laying 199 00:10:55,399 --> 00:10:57,960 it out man. You can see the name at the 200 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,200 bottom of the letter. It's signed Henry Carter. Same the 201 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:00,639 pink slip. 202 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,639 Speaker 2: Well that is meaning to me. Well. 203 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,879 Speaker 3: This letter was sent to the wife of Paul Davis 204 00:11:05,919 --> 00:11:08,440 about nine weeks ago, and it says here that Davis 205 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,840 supposedly was too busy to write his wife, so he 206 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:12,519 had this Henry Carter send a letter. 207 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:14,919 Speaker 4: He also writes in here that Davis sold his car 208 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,200 to Carter. Somebody trying to cover up huh no, we 209 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:20,759 think so. We think it's Henry Carter. 210 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 6: This Davis guy's been gone about four months. That's right, 211 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,559 you said you thought Davis was murdered. I'll come just 212 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:30,120 an idea. 213 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: Eight men had disappeared from around here in the last 214 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:36,440 fourteen months, just like Davis. Six more up in the 215 00:11:36,519 --> 00:11:39,879 San Joaquin Valley the same way. They took off alone 216 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:42,759 on auto trips and never seen again, not a trace. 217 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 4: Pretty funny. 218 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:50,519 Speaker 3: Here you go, Jill, Thank you, You've got your record 219 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,519 here Henry from Baton Rouge sent to Sheriff Clemens sport A. 220 00:11:57,279 --> 00:11:59,759 Speaker 2: Look, we have to drag all out again. It's past. 221 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,639 Speaker 4: It's just one thing we had to check. Henry. You 222 00:12:04,759 --> 00:12:06,200 told us that you never used an aliens. 223 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:06,639 Speaker 2: Is that right? 224 00:12:06,759 --> 00:12:07,159 Speaker 3: All right? 225 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:08,799 Speaker 4: I have. I didn't know what you're getting at. 226 00:12:08,799 --> 00:12:11,399 Speaker 3: I didn't figure there's any use dragging out dirty laundry again. 227 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:14,039 Speaker 4: I asked you if you ever used the name Henry Carter. Okay, 228 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,879 I've used that. It's common name. There's a lot of 229 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,559 Henry Carters around. We only know what toll pet your description. 230 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: I'm clean, you know all that. 231 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,519 Speaker 4: I'm gonna smoke Henry, now, yeah, yeah, thanks, well let 232 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:36,480 me have one here you goes. Thanks, I'm gonna match here. Yeah. 233 00:12:36,519 --> 00:12:40,320 We rode this thing for four months. It's all over 234 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:49,000 the state. Here. Thanks, I'll tell you what we got, Henry. 235 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,279 We'll let you make up your own mind. 236 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:51,759 Speaker 2: It's not my writing. 237 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,919 Speaker 3: On June fourth, Paul Davis left Los Angeles and his 238 00:12:55,039 --> 00:12:57,799 car headed for Oakdale late in the afternoon. He stopped 239 00:12:57,799 --> 00:13:00,919 for gas at the service station just beyond Sandford. The 240 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,639 attendant says, a man was with Davis. 241 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 4: You fit. 242 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 3: That man's description, Henry. Yeah, I've seen monks like that 243 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,720 in court. Now get on the stand and can't remember 244 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:10,240 their own name. 245 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,799 Speaker 4: A couple others. You and Davis stopped for Hamburger just 246 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:14,679 outside of Gorman. 247 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 3: There's a man there. He remembers you too. He stopped 248 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,440 again in Bakersfield, picked up a court of. 249 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: Oil for the car. You and Davis had a coke. 250 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,919 It's the last time he was seen alive. 251 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,399 Speaker 2: That makes me a killer, huh. 252 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: Month after that, the pink slip to Davis's car came 253 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,639 through DMV up in Sacramento. That was for the transfer 254 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,240 of ownership from Davis to Henry Carter, both in your handwriting. 255 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,120 A couple of weeks later, Missus Davis got that letter. 256 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,440 Month ago, Davis's car was sold to a dealer in Lodi. Yeah, yeah, 257 00:13:41,799 --> 00:13:44,919 we found a dealer. Rus showed him a mugshot. He 258 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,039 says you sold him. 259 00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: In the car at all. 260 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,759 Speaker 4: It's just the main part. There's more. We've been on 261 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:52,399 the road a lot. We followed you from here to 262 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,559 Sacramento and back, Henry, every stop, every detour. It took 263 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:56,240 us a long time. 264 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it did. 265 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 4: What do you say, not any way? You want it, Henry, 266 00:14:04,879 --> 00:14:07,759 he got on the smoke. Yeah, yeah, here, you know 267 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:10,799 nice here. 268 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess you worked hard on it all over 269 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:20,279 the state. 270 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:21,039 Speaker 4: Yeah. Try. 271 00:14:21,039 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: It must be pretty hot up in the valley summer time, 272 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,159 Dusty en We I've never been up in the valley 273 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:26,480 in summer. 274 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,159 Speaker 2: It's too hot for me. 275 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 4: We got people who saw you there. 276 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 6: What's improved? Ten people in some riding, Sam, But you 277 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:32,639 can't build a case on that, you know it, don't 278 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:39,039 You're gonna try. Do you think I murdered Davis? You said, yeah, 279 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:41,840 you think I murdered those other guys too? What was 280 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:44,960 it the ten twelve of them we're asking about Davis? 281 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,159 You think I killed him? Tell me the truth. Do 282 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,279 you think I murdered Davis? 283 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he did. Well. 284 00:14:53,399 --> 00:14:54,679 Speaker 3: Then you know as well as I do. There's only 285 00:14:54,759 --> 00:15:00,919 one way to prove it. He find his body. One 286 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,120 fifteen PM, Ben and I took Henry Ross out and 287 00:15:04,159 --> 00:15:06,279 fed him some lunch. Then we took him back to 288 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,720 the City Hall of the interrogation room, where we continued 289 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,200 to question him. It was relaxed and he talked a 290 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,120 great deal about everything but the disappearance of Paul Davis. 291 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,600 He didn't seem anxious to get away, made no demands 292 00:15:17,639 --> 00:15:20,480 for an attorney to represent him. For a full hour, 293 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:23,559 he did most of the talking. He told us about 294 00:15:23,559 --> 00:15:26,159 the different homicide cases he'd read up on. He asked 295 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,840 us about the twelve men who disappeared in the past months, 296 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:30,600 in the same manner Paul Davis had. 297 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 4: Was there any trace of him at all? Did we 298 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,679 have any leads? How did we think we were going 299 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:36,240 to find him? 300 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,159 Speaker 3: Well, we finally got around asking him if he'd submit 301 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,600 to a light detector test. He seemed taken by the 302 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:44,960 id and agreed to it almost immediately. Ben called Sergeant 303 00:15:45,039 --> 00:15:46,519 Burger and made arrangements. 304 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,039 Speaker 4: For the test. We made up a list of key questions. 305 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,919 Speaker 3: At five pm, we took the suspect to the third 306 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,279 floor of the Old City Jail, where Sergeant Burger gave 307 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,440 him the polygraph test. On the way back to the office, 308 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:01,159 Ross complained he was hungry. We stopped him coffee and donuts. 309 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,399 We got back to the interrogation room a little after 310 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,600 six pm. The questioning continued. Ross didn't seem to mind 311 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:11,039 at all. We kept talking. We let him talk eight pm. 312 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,519 He was still going strong. 313 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,639 Speaker 6: You remember the Wilson case back in thirty four. Don't 314 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:19,799 you say, woman killed a whole family? Big case you remember, Yeah, 315 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,039 it's pretty tragic. Got a hobby of yours, Henry, collecting 316 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:24,840 murder stories. 317 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:28,519 Speaker 3: I just read them, remember them. I guess I can 318 00:16:28,559 --> 00:16:30,879 remember every big murder case in the last fifteen years. 319 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:31,519 Speaker 2: That's so. 320 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's about all of them. I guess it is 321 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:36,919 kind of a hobby. I got a big kick out 322 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:37,080 of it. 323 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 3: I got it, Ben, excuse me, Henry, Oh, oh sure, 324 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:48,000 interrogation room Friday, Oh yeah, Burger, how many? 325 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, thank you. 326 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 6: You know, there's one thing I get a real big 327 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:58,080 kick out of those Detecting magazine mystery stories. 328 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 4: The way they make out the murderer. You know, they 329 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,399 always build it up into something big. 330 00:17:02,919 --> 00:17:05,799 Speaker 3: Somebody's always killing somebody else for a million dollars, or 331 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,440 maybe over some woman, some beautiful woman. 332 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,079 Speaker 2: Same way with the movies. That's where they get it 333 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:11,720 all mixed up. 334 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 4: Don't think I follow you. I'm sure you do. 335 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 3: Every time some guy writes some murder story, he's got 336 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,920 to build up a big reason for the killing. 337 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,079 Speaker 6: A lot of money, beautiful woman. Revenge maybe always got 338 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,119 to be a big reason motive. Motive, that's what they say. 339 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, well generally works out that way, didn't it. 340 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,519 Speaker 3: Why, I bet you there's a thousand murder cases in 341 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:34,839 your flaws without any reason at all. Some people kill, 342 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,839 that's all I've heard about, lots of them that they 343 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,839 just want to kill, and they go ahead and do it, 344 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,359 maybe for a few bucks, maybe for nothing. 345 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:42,279 Speaker 2: They just do it. 346 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,519 Speaker 3: That's so, that's so sure, you know that, Like this 347 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,279 thing you've been talking about, ten twelve guys disappear. 348 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 6: They got a few bucks, maybe they got nothing. Somebody 349 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,799 plaus them on it, and that's all, no big reason. 350 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 4: They just do it. 351 00:17:55,839 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 3: So twelve guys are gone. It doesn't mean anything. That's 352 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,519 how you got it figured out, all right. The phone 353 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:03,880 call a minute ago. There was a man who gave 354 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,079 you the light detective test. 355 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 4: Oh that right, how to go? 356 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: He just finished going over your graph. He got sixteen 357 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:10,039 positive reactions. 358 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, what's that mean? You lied Henry sixteen times? 359 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: That's right. 360 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,079 Speaker 4: You better tell him to get a new machine. I 361 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,440 lied all the way through mind telling us. 362 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:20,799 Speaker 2: Why, Yeah, I don't mind. 363 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:24,559 Speaker 3: I guess I knew you'd find I. Let's go get 364 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,480 something to eat first, So I'm hungry. Well, we better 365 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:28,240 talk a little more and let's go. I'll tell you 366 00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:29,480 why we're eating. Bring a pencil. 367 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: We did raw your mat maple on the canyon right 368 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:32,640 buried it. 369 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,559 Speaker 5: You are listening to Dragnet for the step by step 370 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,279 solution to Tonight's authentic case history. 371 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,279 Speaker 4: Wednesday, nine fifty five pm. 372 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 3: Ben and I took Henry Ross across the street, bought 373 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,759 him a coke at Max's place. Then we took him 374 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:06,039 next door to the Melbourne Cafeteria. It was almost closing time. 375 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 4: Ross got himself a cottage cheese and pineapple salad, bacon 376 00:19:09,559 --> 00:19:12,559 and liver with onions, rye bread, banana pie and coffee. 377 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,839 Ben had a hot beef sandwich, mashed potatoes and coffee. 378 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,759 I had the same. At the back of the cafeteria, 379 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:20,799 one of the bus boys was mopping the tiled floor. 380 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:27,519 It was a strong smell of disinfecting. How about that 381 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:29,240 table over there, Sgian had? All right with you? 382 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's okay, it doesn't make any different, that's fine. Yeah, 383 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,400 once the water, yeah her, yeah, please, all right, I'll 384 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:54,359 get some oh boy, living onions. This sure smells great. 385 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: Huh yeah. 386 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: I can't take those onions, so well they repeat on them, 387 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:02,319 not me. I didn't need any something paper. Yeah, thanks, 388 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:06,000 I'm sure hungry. I haven't eaten much to day. You 389 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:09,200 get the sandwich made with rye bread Graham bread. Oh 390 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:11,599 you should have gotten the rye real German rye bread. Yeah, 391 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,079 well that real nice and fresh. Here you go, man, 392 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:21,839 I don't thanks, Oh thank you. You know all that 393 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:27,640 talk really shopping up my appetite. Boys food tastes good. 394 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,119 Juger Joe, Uh. 395 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:37,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks. We brought a pencil along. Henry wanted to 396 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:38,279 start taking them. 397 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 6: The greatest time is any I guess you know, the 398 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,799 whole thing just comes right back to what I was 399 00:20:43,839 --> 00:20:45,079 trying to tell you there in the office. 400 00:20:46,599 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, what's that? 401 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:51,279 Speaker 6: You know all about those Forny mystery stories. Yeah, every 402 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:54,599 time there's trouble, there's a big reason behind it. It's Forny, 403 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:54,960 that's all. 404 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:55,599 Speaker 4: Yeah. 405 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 3: Sure, it's Paul Davis for Instan. I guess I knew 406 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,640 you would find me out. I knew this morning when 407 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,519 you picked me up you had it figured. Must have 408 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:09,160 been a big job huh finding me pretty big? 409 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,519 Speaker 4: I mean, you know a lot of mileage. How did 410 00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:12,920 it happened? 411 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,559 Speaker 3: Well, then again, it's just like I was saying, there's 412 00:21:16,599 --> 00:21:19,880 no big reason why it. I needed a few bucks. 413 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,880 If Davis came along, I guess he was it. I 414 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,359 passed me a catch up with oh yeah, and hey, 415 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,359 I'll get the land off there. 416 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 2: There you go? Nice? 417 00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 4: What'd you meet? Davis? 418 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 3: Henry's hitchhiking out on Ventura? 419 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,519 Speaker 2: Not a diamond my jeans. I was going up to America, Opa. 420 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,880 I thought I had a job up there. This David 421 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,319 come along, pick me up. 422 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 4: You never know him before? 423 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 3: Then, no stranger, he says, going to Oakdale, little guy, 424 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:59,960 grimm me a ride. Go ahead, Well we'll stop for gasses, 425 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:01,200 say for now. And I saw he had a few 426 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,759 bucks in his walt. I guess that's when I got 427 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:05,400 the idea bad. What killing him? 428 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:06,519 Speaker 2: Now? 429 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 6: Maybe that gives you an idea what I was talking about. 430 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,839 You don't need any big reason to kill somebody. David said, 431 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,440 eighteen bucks. I suppose I told that to a writer. 432 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:18,039 Somebody killing the guy for eighteen bucks. That wouldn't make 433 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,680 much sense, huh. He told you I'd never sell you 434 00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:22,400 need a million dollars, beautiful woman? 435 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: Good morning? 436 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? What'd you kill him? Henry? 437 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 6: Just outside of Baker's Fill a little canyon there. I 438 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:32,839 got Davis to buy a fifth of sherry and Bakersfield. 439 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,039 He drank someone the way I passed the saw. Huh yeah, yeah, 440 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:41,519 there's no good without playing a saw. 441 00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 4: How'd you kill Davis, Henry? 442 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,799 Speaker 6: That's funny thing. He drank some of the wine, got 443 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:51,880 a little sleepy. I was just outside of Baker's drill 444 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:55,160 dark by that time. I spotted this little canyon. I 445 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,279 figured as good as place as any, so I get 446 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,400 him pull off the side road and had a few 447 00:22:59,440 --> 00:22:59,920 more drinks. 448 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 4: I spot this little shack out there in the middle 449 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,359 of nowhere. Exactly where it was, this enter. 450 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 6: Lacking Stawyers, maybe two miles north the beggar store. We 451 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,599 got to the shack, finished the wine, went to sleep both. 452 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,039 And that's where the funny point comes in. I guess 453 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:16,799 I killed Davis, all right, but I didn't mean it. 454 00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:21,400 Oh brother, get away for that. 455 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 4: Huh. 456 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,039 Speaker 2: Why of these monks had to mop up up? 457 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 4: People are eating? They'll be thrilling a minute in Its fine? 458 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,039 How'd you mean, Henry didn't mean the killing? You already 459 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:35,720 told you she had the idea, for sure, I had 460 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:37,000 the idea. Let me explain. Huh. 461 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 6: We both went to sleep in the shack. Davis me 462 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,680 just that must have been all about nine o'clock at night. 463 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,359 I don't know why. It was maybe the wine I 464 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,720 dis but I started having nightmarees. You know, maybe that's 465 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,119 probably sounds like a story, but it's the truth. I 466 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,039 had all these dreams. I woke up, but this still 467 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:57,240 there was that the faces. Faces, it's all I can see. 468 00:23:57,279 --> 00:23:59,400 It was full of faces like, I guess that's really 469 00:23:59,440 --> 00:23:59,960 still asleep. 470 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead. 471 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 6: Oh, I've picked up a two by four and started 472 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:05,640 swinging at him and faces. 473 00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 4: Funny thing too, I knew every want of these faces. 474 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,759 How do you mean people I killed? They're only a 475 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:13,200 dozen of them, really, but it seemed like there were 476 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,039 one hundred of them all. 477 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: Around in the air well. 478 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:17,279 Speaker 3: I grabbed that too by before and I started swinging. 479 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:19,160 I was cold and sweating all at the same time. 480 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,839 And I kept on swinging, and I saw Davis's face 481 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,480 and I swung hard. I kept swinging. Didn't he make 482 00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:28,519 a sound, his eyes closed, kept on swinging at his head. 483 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,559 Speaker 6: Oh, I come to there. He was flying on the floor. 484 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,440 Seemed to take those other faces away. They didn't bother me. 485 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,279 Speaker 2: After he killed Davis. 486 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 4: What'd you do with him? Henry? 487 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 6: Oh pulled him outside the shack. I go home and buried, 488 00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:42,480 burn his clothes, take his card, money, and drove off. 489 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:43,279 I'll show you if you like. 490 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: Where I buried him. 491 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,839 Speaker 4: I mean, how about these other men? Were lot these 492 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,240 faces you saw? M oh. 493 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: One. 494 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,799 Speaker 4: If I get a little more coffee, it's all gone again. 495 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:56,039 You know, no, no, thanks not to me. What about 496 00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:56,920 it ross the other man? 497 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 3: Well, I don't recall him too well, that's what you 498 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,200 said in the office. Ten or twelve of them, and 499 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:02,319 Sacramento the others down through the building. Like I say, 500 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,079 there was no big reason for killing them. It just 501 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:04,720 happened that way. 502 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 4: What did you do with him? Your rumor? 503 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:09,839 Speaker 3: Generally? Yeah, there's one of them that stands up. Got 504 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,160 the name of Slattery, some kind of salesman, a real crybaby. 505 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,119 Before this happened, only picking up in his car outside 506 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,759 of Chuck Chiller. It's nighttime. He must been feeling pretty good. 507 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:21,160 I made him stop on the side road. I hit 508 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,599 him with a piece of angler, and he cried like 509 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,839 a baby. Buried him in a field. 510 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: There is one of the faces that I saw there. 511 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 4: That's funny. 512 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 2: I shows you how psychology works. 513 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 4: Huh yeah, what'd you do with his car? Slatteries? 514 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 6: I mean drove it down to Mexico. So I guess 515 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,559 that's what I should have done with Davis's gurning. 516 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 2: Well, here you go. Oh it's nice. 517 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,039 Speaker 3: These killings are yours? You got any more you want 518 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:44,599 to tell us about? I told you already ten or twelve. 519 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,640 I'm there pretty much the same. 520 00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 2: When was the first? 521 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 6: Oh maybe eighteen months, two years ago? The first one 522 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,519 wasn't any hard and elast. It's just like I was 523 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,519 telling you before. Yeah, everybody builds up murder. It's supposed 524 00:25:57,519 --> 00:25:59,079 to be a big thing, hard to do. All those 525 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,440 phony stories. I'd just hit a guy a couple of 526 00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:02,640 times or something, that'd be it. 527 00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:03,559 Speaker 2: A real small thing. 528 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,559 Speaker 4: Didn't change many That's why I say it, it's all 529 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,880 build up. You ever been treated for any mental sickness? Rough? No? 530 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,079 Why have you never been examined by a circle? Oh? 531 00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 3: After you kill these men didn't bother you at all. 532 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:22,680 I'm just that wondering time I was with Davis. That's 533 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,160 about it. Sure, good meal, serge? 534 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:27,519 Speaker 2: Thanks? 535 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:33,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you ready, Ben, Let's go all right, I'll 536 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:35,400 go back upstairs. Huh, yeah, do you want to give 537 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:35,960 us a statement? 538 00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 6: All right, I had an idea you'd find me. I 539 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,319 guess I always knew that you'd find me. Well, let's 540 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,680 go ahead. I guess I proved my point anyway. 541 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 4: Huh. 542 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: It's all build up. 543 00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:49,759 Speaker 4: Huh. 544 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: Murder killing somebody, those phony stories, it's all build up. 545 00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 2: It's cheap. 546 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 4: You know you got it wrong, Henry. Huh wait, they 547 00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:58,440 read you the build. 548 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 3: The story you have just heard was true, only the 549 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:10,119 names were changed to protect the innocent. 550 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,799 Speaker 5: On January seventh, trial was held in Superior Court, Department 551 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,839 eighty sixth, City and County of Los Angeles, State of California. 552 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:28,240 In a moment the results of that trial, Henry Ellsworth 553 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,599 Ross was tried and found guilty on two counts of 554 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,119 murder in the first degree and received the death sentence. 555 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,000 While he indicated that he had murdered the other ten men, 556 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,480 he refused to give any further information regarding the killings 557 00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:41,880 or what he had done with the buddies. Ross was 558 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,559 executed in the lethal gas chamber at the State Penitentiary 559 00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:53,440 San Quentin, California. You have just heard Dragnet a series 560 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,279 of authentic cases from official files technical advice comes from 561 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,759 the office of Chief of Police W H. Parker Angeles Police. 562 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 4: Now I'm more excitement with Cover Spy on NBC. 563 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back a great episode of Dragnet. This story is 564 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,200 a chilling look into the mind of a serial killer 565 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,759 before that phrase was popularized. And what's really chilling about 566 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:32,000 it is how utterly nonchalant he is. No terrains, laughing, lunatic, 567 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:35,799 just a guy talking about what he does, no different 568 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:40,240 than anyone might discuss their own job or hobby. Of course, 569 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,839 he's right about the contrast between many, if not most 570 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,799 killings and these stories you'd find in a detective fiction magazine. 571 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,200 Lots of crimes happen for small reasons or seemingly no 572 00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:57,759 reason at all. There's a reason why there are so 573 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:03,079 many unsolved crimes out there. Oftentimes there's crimes passion, or 574 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,880 robbery's gone bad, or moments of intoxication. However, if the 575 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:12,160 stories of murder were out of touch with the reality 576 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,039 of what went on in the real world most of 577 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,279 the time, so was he. He had killed a dozen 578 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:21,359 people deliberately and in a calculated manner to get a 579 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,240 few bucks, and other than that one dream, it was 580 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,279 no big deal to him at all, which makes him 581 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:32,160 a particularly dangerous and sinister character. But perhaps part of 582 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:35,519 the reason for his low view of human life is 583 00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:39,640 this assumption that most people at their core are really 584 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,200 just like him. The only other thing I'll add on 585 00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:46,200 a much lighter note is that I noticed Ben Romero 586 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,680 ordered graham bread. We discussed graham bread a few months 587 00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:53,400 back when he was sent on an erran for it 588 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,559 late at night after a case had been resolved by 589 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,759 his wife and was wondering where he'd find at that 590 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,200 time of not but apparently you could order graham bread 591 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,799 in health food restaurants. It does also suggest that missus 592 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:15,440 Romero's use of graham bread had one Sergeant Romero over 593 00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:19,119 to it. Well. Now we turn to listener comments and feedback, 594 00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:23,200 and I have an email here from Jonathan who writes, 595 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,480 I never miss a Johnny Dollar episode. Best part of 596 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,519 the week lately. I'm really enjoying more and more Dragnet. 597 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,160 The production quality with the sounds are really excellent. Two things. 598 00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:38,359 The passover Satyr that Joe and Ben were at was 599 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,759 incredibly accurate. The prayers and Hebrew were the exact same 600 00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:46,440 that I really used. Good show. And then the second thing, 601 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,799 there was an episode where they were chasing a thief 602 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,279 and he shot at them. In the end, the announcer 603 00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:58,400 said the perpetrator was only charged with burglary. Shooting at 604 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,680 a cop must still have been a cross So why 605 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,440 did the synopsis miss out on this? It seems odd 606 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,079 not charging them for shooting at them. Thanks for the 607 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:12,440 many hours of listening. Enjoyment yours truly, Jonathan. Well, thanks 608 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,839 so much, Jonathan, I appreciate your comments. It's tough to 609 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:23,119 imagine that using a firearm in that manner wouldn't be charged. 610 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,599 I can't say for sure why it wasn't mentioned. A 611 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,000 few things come to mind. It might be a situation 612 00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:35,079 where there was a guilty play and the prosecutor just 613 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:38,960 chose not to bring the gun charge. It also might 614 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:45,599 have been a practice to only mention the underlying crimes 615 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:51,000 that the police were investigating. I can't recall a lot 616 00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:56,720 of obstruction or resisting arrest being called out in that segment, 617 00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,400 and certainly there are many crimes that it could be brought, 618 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,319 or may even have been brought in real life, but 619 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,480 there just may not have been time to cover everything. 620 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,880 So those are my best guesses. I can't imagine that 621 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:13,759 it would not have been addressed in some way by 622 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:19,480 the prosecuting attorney when the case was brought up for consideration. 623 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,440 And then we've got a comment here from Jay Huggs 624 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,960 six two four over on YouTube regarding the Big Dance. 625 00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:35,880 It's always kind of made me a bit disappointed when 626 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,079 the culprits didn't have an aired interview on the show. 627 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,960 Granted it didn't happen much, but every now and then 628 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:46,599 you'll get an episode where the bandits feel elusive to 629 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,640 there being no character development and interviews. Be that as 630 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,279 it may, I still love Dragonet. It got me into 631 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,440 old time radio. Keep up the good work at them. Well, 632 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,359 thanks so much, And I do agree that there is 633 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:05,359 something really satisfying, after having followed our heroes through this 634 00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:09,480 whole process of investigation, for them to at least have 635 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,799 an exchange with the suspect and to get a feel 636 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,519 for the people who this whole episode has been about 637 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,240 the criminals who have committed this crime. And I don't know, 638 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,039 I guess because it's on radio, we also know on 639 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,000 some level that there's no one who is actually cast 640 00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:30,920 as these criminals on television. You can at least see them, 641 00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:34,640 but no such lock on radio. 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