Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan ray I WBZY Costins News Radio.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Dan Watkin's My next guest really
Speaker 2: needs no introduction, so I'm just gonna say, welcome back,
Speaker 2: Ernie Bark Junior. Ernie, how are you tonight?
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Dan, Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, there's so much to talk about. People of
Speaker 2: course know the back family name. They know Ernie. He
Speaker 2: is a businessman, a philanthropist, a musician or renaissance man.
Speaker 2: He also knows a lot about Donald Trump taxes and tariffs.
Speaker 2: Let me first start Ernie with an important event that's
Speaker 2: going to result in about sixty thousand dollars worth of
Speaker 2: music equipment. This is an extraordinary story that maybe most
Speaker 2: people won't see. But there's a Medford Elementary school, Roberts
Speaker 2: Elementary School in Medford will receive this donation this week
Speaker 2: from your charity, Music Drives Us obviously a play on
Speaker 2: words there for sure, and you basically are providing your
Speaker 2: charities providing these kids with performance risers, ukuleles, violins, and
Speaker 2: musical instruments to the tune of sixty thousand dollars. What
Speaker 2: a gift to a bunch of kids in Midford. How
Speaker 2: did it happen? Was this school? How did this school
Speaker 2: become solucky? I want to talk about the serious stuff later,
Speaker 2: but this is.
Speaker 3: Up sure so sure. Well my foundation Music drives Us,
Speaker 3: which is at Music drives Us dot org. We have grants.
Speaker 3: You can apply for a grant if there's a situation
Speaker 3: like that school where instruments are old or they need
Speaker 3: instruments or anything. And it's not just schools, it's the
Speaker 3: public and private sector trying to keep music alive in
Speaker 3: public and private situations. That this particular school is a
Speaker 3: great school because they are in incredible need for instruments.
Speaker 3: So isn't like so many schools. I mean, it's kind
Speaker 3: of like you would never be done really almost no
Speaker 3: matter how much money you had. There's always a situation
Speaker 3: where people need money, instruments, whatever to keep music programs going.
Speaker 3: I love it. I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Well it's again you've been doing this for how many
Speaker 2: years now, Music Drives This.
Speaker 3: Has been almost twenty almost twenty years.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, that's it's such a great, a great effort.
Speaker 2: And this is the Roberts Elementary School in Midford. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this Thursday, December fifth, and do these kids know that
Speaker 2: you guys are going to show up.
Speaker 3: They with these yeah, oh yeah, they know where we're coming.
Speaker 3: With all the instruments and everything we do it. You know,
Speaker 3: I go to ninety nine percent of what we call
Speaker 3: this funding. I go to nine to nine percent of
Speaker 3: the fundings. I like it, Dan, I've actually broken down
Speaker 3: like a little baby crying when you see when you
Speaker 3: see what happens with the instruments, with the kids and
Speaker 3: how we change lives, it's it's amazing. And if you
Speaker 3: want to get involved at all, you can go to
Speaker 3: music drives us dot org see what we're doing and
Speaker 3: get involved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I think it's so important that it's funny.
Speaker 2: I never learned a musical instrument as a kid.
Speaker 3: That's okay, that's all right, And I.
Speaker 2: Wish in retrospect we have a piano and I have
Speaker 2: no idea what I'm doing or anything. But it's just
Speaker 2: that the idea that there's that point in time in
Speaker 2: a child's life, whatever their age is, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
Speaker 2: when it's like taking up a sport. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you don't learn to ice skate by time I'm your fifteen,
Speaker 2: pretty tough, tough to make the National Hockey League. If
Speaker 2: you don't learn, you know, how to play a musical instrument,
Speaker 2: it's an opportunity. The window closes early, and this basically
Speaker 2: gets kids inside that window. That's what's great about.
Speaker 3: This, right. You know, I wouldn't necessarily agree that the
Speaker 3: that the window closes early. You know, you had the
Speaker 3: kids early to get the kids early with music. Many, many,
Speaker 3: many studies have been done and agree that music is
Speaker 3: it's more than just producing music. It's jumping jacks for
Speaker 3: the brain. The statistics are if the if the kid
Speaker 3: plays music, he's he's a higher percentage of graduation, less
Speaker 3: problems in school. It's just it's it's music can literally
Speaker 3: rewire the brain. It's wiful thing. And hey, if you're
Speaker 3: fifty and you want to play something that you should
Speaker 3: be able to, I'm.
Speaker 2: Well past fifty or I'm on the wrong side of fifty,
Speaker 2: but we'll believe that. We'll leave that go. Look, I
Speaker 2: also want to pick your brain a little bit. Obviously,
Speaker 2: besides music, you know a lot about the car industry,
Speaker 2: and you know a lot about the president who will
Speaker 2: take the oath of office as the forty seventh president.
Speaker 2: And he's talking about taxes and rev tariffs and things
Speaker 2: like that. So what I'd like to do is just
Speaker 2: take a quick break and we come back talk about this,
Speaker 2: because I think a lot of my listeners when they
Speaker 2: hear the concept of tariffs, they probably go back to
Speaker 2: like their their history's classes when they were in the
Speaker 2: seventh or eighth grade, and some teacher didn't describe to
Speaker 2: them pretty much there was some tariff that we put
Speaker 2: on Britain or Britain put on France, right, and this
Speaker 2: is going to have impact and hopefully a positive impact,
Speaker 2: but it could have a negative imok and you in
Speaker 2: the car industry, you above all have to be aware
Speaker 2: of this. So we'll take a break. We've talked about music,
Speaker 2: but I want to talk about tariffs and in taxes
Speaker 2: and Donald Trump. Uh. You know, I I don't know if, if,
Speaker 2: how you feel towards him at this point. And I'll
Speaker 2: give you an opportunity to say whatever whatever you want
Speaker 2: to say, and we'll give the with the audience an
Speaker 2: opportunity to give us a call and talk about some
Speaker 2: of this, because I think our economic structure is going
Speaker 2: to have some impact. It's going to be impacted by
Speaker 2: the Trump presidency. This is what it's going to be different.
Speaker 2: We'll have to we'll talk about it with Erdiebak Junior.
Speaker 2: If you'd like to join the conversation, feel free to
Speaker 2: jump on board six one, seven, two, five, four ten
Speaker 2: thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Some
Speaker 2: days I feel this way, other the ways I feel.
Speaker 2: I'll bet you Ernie probably has some very specific thoughts
Speaker 2: and we'll get to him and to phone calls. Here
Speaker 2: at Nightside. I'm back after a week off, and we're
Speaker 2: ready and we're to go back on Nightside right after
Speaker 2: a couple of quick messages.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: My guess is Ernie Buck needs really no introduction if
Speaker 2: you're from New England, that's for sure. Bock Automotive, Ernie,
Speaker 2: I think, are you the largest car dealer in New
Speaker 2: England with all the brands that?
Speaker 3: Oh no, not even I think the largest car brand
Speaker 3: in New England is mister Herb Chambers. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: by I used to have. I used to have two
Speaker 3: big Honda stores, number one Honda store in the world,
Speaker 3: one of them, and two giant Toyota stores number two
Speaker 3: in the world at my big Toyota store, and I
Speaker 3: ended up selling all my retail stuff, my body shot,
Speaker 3: my rented car, everything like that. But I maintained and
Speaker 3: kept Ferrari Maserati, so I have So my retail right
Speaker 3: now is Ferrari Maserati too fairly small stores. But I
Speaker 3: distribute super Roos throughout New England. I'll do sixty thousand
Speaker 3: subar Roos this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's pretty good. Okay, that's that's sixty thousand
Speaker 2: SuPAR Us. Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So therefore, I assume you have looked at the issue
Speaker 2: of a tariffs, yes, and so give us a thumbnail
Speaker 2: sketch of what do you think the impact of some
Speaker 2: of the Trump tariffs might be for good or for work,
Speaker 2: for good or for bad. What's your take on this?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean tariffs are more of a carry a
Speaker 3: big stick, and if you recall in May of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: Trump threatened Mexico with a five percent tariff, with a
Speaker 3: five percent tariff if Mexico doesn't do this, this or that,
Speaker 3: and within ten days Mexico acquiesced. I mean, he is
Speaker 3: he is. World leaders are falling in line with what
Speaker 3: he wants, which is, you know, making the economy of
Speaker 3: the US better and also again leading the free world.
Speaker 2: So his goal is to stop the bleeding. First, I
Speaker 2: assume to stop automobile manufacturers from leaving America. And I
Speaker 2: believe that there's some companies that have recently built plants
Speaker 2: in Mexico. If I'm wrong, correct me if I'm not.
Speaker 3: Oh no, not recently. They've They've been building or assembling
Speaker 3: cars in Mexico for a long long time. Also in
Speaker 3: also in Canada. General Motors has manufacturing facilities in Canada.
Speaker 3: It's the idea, the idea that that the US auto
Speaker 3: industry is in a little bit of trouble. It is
Speaker 3: in a little bit of trouble. The tarifs don't necessarily
Speaker 3: just for automobiles, but but the the the electrification or
Speaker 3: the the the prior administration that that tried to, in
Speaker 3: my view, force electrification on the people. Then, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: the government should not tell us what we should drive.
Speaker 3: If you want to buy an ice car, an internal
Speaker 3: combustion engine car, you should be able to buy it.
Speaker 3: If you want to buy an electric car, some electric
Speaker 3: cars feed fit people's needs, buy it. If you want
Speaker 3: to buy a hybrid. Buy whatever you want, but I
Speaker 3: don't believe the government should force you to purchase a
Speaker 3: certain vehicle. I just don't. And some manufacturers have literally
Speaker 3: spent and lost billions of dollars trying to keep up
Speaker 3: with the fantasy goals that the lost administration had. It's
Speaker 3: crazy what they're trying to do so quickly with electric vehicles.
Speaker 3: Right now, about seven percent of all cars on the
Speaker 3: road are electric vehicles, so you know, it's it's a
Speaker 3: small amount of cars. Are electric vehicles good? Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: great if they fit your needs in Tesla and Tesla
Speaker 3: last year had sixty percent share of the electric vehicles
Speaker 3: in the United States. Now they're down to forty eight
Speaker 3: because so many people are getting to the game. We
Speaker 3: have we have we have some some problems in the
Speaker 3: in the auto industry. One of them is is this
Speaker 3: whole electrification and then of course pricing the Although the
Speaker 3: average car over the last couple of years new car
Speaker 3: was forty seven thousand dollars, it's now forty five thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: so that's that's that's a little better. But there are
Speaker 3: there are one million more cars in inventory and dealers
Speaker 3: lots across the United States than there was a year ago.
Speaker 2: Well, that will push the price down. Mind is standing Earnie,
Speaker 2: And again you're the expert here. I'm just asking a
Speaker 2: couple of questions. My understanding. One of the concerns that
Speaker 2: the automotive industry has in America is that China leads
Speaker 2: the world in producing electric vehicles and somehow very upset that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: as you say the electric vehicle mandate that by twenty
Speaker 2: thirty or by twenty thirty five percentage of the cars
Speaker 2: in America have to be evs, all.
Speaker 3: Those mandates will not come true because it is impossible
Speaker 3: to do. The people just aren't buying them.
Speaker 2: Free market, in a free market system. But is China
Speaker 2: a big player here in electric vehicles? And is there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the situation with China. For the last ten years,
Speaker 3: maybe fifteen years, the storyline or everybody thought that the
Speaker 3: Chinese vehicles were not ready for prime time. The quality
Speaker 3: wasn't there. They made some starts and stops over the
Speaker 3: last fifteen years trying to come into the United States.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't because we were afraid of them. It
Speaker 3: was because they couldn't put it together. They didn't have
Speaker 3: the quality. They just literally were not ready for prime time.
Speaker 3: Now they are so ready for prime time that they
Speaker 3: are a looming threat. They have China, it's a different
Speaker 3: government than the United States. They can mandate all sorts
Speaker 3: of things. They've got tremendous, tremendous quality and electrification through
Speaker 3: the whole entire country. They they will, they will present
Speaker 3: a problem. They if they are unleashed on the American market,
Speaker 3: then with electric vehicles, Tesla will be number one, and
Speaker 3: probably the next ten will be Chinese scars.
Speaker 2: And so I'm assuming that the Trump administration sees this
Speaker 2: and sees that as a threat to the American worker
Speaker 2: in the American automotive industry.
Speaker 3: Correct, yes, but it's it's you can't you can't stop
Speaker 3: free enterprise. You can't you can't legislate people to not compete.
Speaker 3: Some countries through that candidate is famous for that. That's
Speaker 3: that's not the real Really the way to do it,
Speaker 3: The way to do it is to not open the
Speaker 3: gate all at once, just you know, see see see
Speaker 3: what's happening with the vehicles, and you know, if they
Speaker 3: will eventually be here, they have to be here. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the tariffs are the tariffs are for automobiles in for
Speaker 3: other goods. But but they've most of the tariff. The
Speaker 3: threats were just that, they were threats to put every
Speaker 3: to put everybody in line.
Speaker 2: Okay, so come back, come back if you will to China.
Speaker 2: So if he, if he is, if Donald Trump is
Speaker 2: concerned about an influx of electric vehicles from China, which
Speaker 2: would impact the US automotive market, he's going to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: you can't bring those You can bring those electric vehicles
Speaker 2: in and you can sell them for you know, thirty
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars what I assume they would be cheaper
Speaker 2: in terms of cost than the than the American vehicles.
Speaker 2: He's going to throw a tariff on them, which is
Speaker 2: going to inhibit them from bringing in and having such
Speaker 2: an impact on our industry.
Speaker 3: That's the purpose of the terraff Well yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: and no, yes and no. They do have they do
Speaker 3: have less expensive electric and they have very extensive electric.
Speaker 3: But remember but remember the electric market in the United
Speaker 3: States is less than ten percent. So even if they
Speaker 3: all came in, they just sit on lots because people
Speaker 3: aren't buying them. It's not it's not like oh, it's
Speaker 3: this has something that no other vehicle has No, they're
Speaker 3: a good vehicle, but they also have ice vehicles, internal
Speaker 3: combustion engine vehicles that they want to bring here. Also,
Speaker 3: it's not just electric. So so it.
Speaker 2: Is that represents nonetheless a threat to our automotive industry.
Speaker 2: And so I assume that's why he wants to at
Speaker 2: least either threaten or invoke tariffs. I'm assuming correct.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's they are a threat, just like just
Speaker 3: like in the in the seventies, the Japanese were a
Speaker 3: threat with the with to the domestics, and and and
Speaker 3: at the turn of the century in the late nineties
Speaker 3: and early two thousands, the Koreans, the Koreans were a
Speaker 3: threat to the Japanese. We have a Vietnamese car available
Speaker 3: in the United States called Thenfast, which is which is
Speaker 3: a vehicle that made in Vietnam is selling in the
Speaker 3: United States super low volume right now, but vehicles are
Speaker 3: coming in the US. Is the market of the world
Speaker 3: for automotive So at.
Speaker 2: What point My question then, is, at what point do
Speaker 2: you think that the Trump presidency will turn around and say, hey,
Speaker 2: wait a second, we got to protect tariffs of protection,
Speaker 2: we have to protect our automotive industry because if if look,
Speaker 2: that was part of the group that helped elect him president.
Speaker 2: I mean the the the auto workers didn't follow the leadership,
Speaker 2: uh you know of you know, U A. W And
Speaker 2: and Dors Biden. But the I think the polls indicated
Speaker 2: that the auto workers Trump Trump connected with blue collar
Speaker 2: traditional Democratic voters, labor union guys, more than any Republican
Speaker 2: president has in history. He now has to do something.
Speaker 2: And is that where the tariffs come in? Is what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out. Particularly, No, I think you're right.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think you're right. They will put tarris on
Speaker 3: the Chinese vehicles. And and yes we should protect the
Speaker 3: US market. You can't protect it forever, but you can
Speaker 3: you can be smart about.
Speaker 2: It, and and and and the impact is going to
Speaker 2: I assume I assume you, as a citizen and as
Speaker 2: some any and the automotive three you feel the tariffs
Speaker 2: are necessary, you know, to to at least stem the
Speaker 2: flow of the import of these cars or am I wrong?
Speaker 3: Well? I think I think tariffs are again shaking a
Speaker 3: big stick. If if the if the countries get in
Speaker 3: line and do what what the US wants, then carry
Speaker 3: there there there are Travis now on on a on
Speaker 3: a lot of on a lot of goods. But if
Speaker 3: they get in line and do what the US wants,
Speaker 3: then maybe the tariffs won't be won't be that bad.
Speaker 3: But I think I think you had mentioned that that
Speaker 3: Trump wants to help get the economy back on and
Speaker 3: and and I agree. I think I think he does,
Speaker 3: and the and the tariffs are a part of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Ernie, let's take a break. I want to invite
Speaker 2: callers to call in and uh and I also like
Speaker 2: to uh, you know, like to talk to you a
Speaker 2: little bit about what you're feeling is towards the second
Speaker 2: administration and and what you expect as a businessman and
Speaker 2: whether or not there's something that we need to be
Speaker 2: concerned about or something we need to give it, give
Speaker 2: it a chance to work. My guest is Ernie Bach.
Speaker 2: He is not only a great businessman, he's a philanthropist.
Speaker 2: We talked about music drives us, but we're talking right
Speaker 2: now taxes and tariffs and Trump T, T and T,
Speaker 2: and that's going to be a lot of that's going
Speaker 2: to be discussed on night side in the in the weeks,
Speaker 2: certainly in the months ahead. And who better to start
Speaker 2: off with that Ernie Bark will take some phone calls
Speaker 2: if you'd like to join the conversation six one seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three thirty Back
Speaker 2: on night Side right after the news at the bottom
Speaker 2: of the hour with Ernie Bach.
Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on Way Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: With us Ernie Bak Ernie before we get the phone calls,
Speaker 2: and we got phone calls. Who I want to get
Speaker 2: to if anyone else that wants to try to join us?
Speaker 2: Six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. What does
Speaker 2: your take? You hosted Donald Trump back and I think
Speaker 2: it was toowenty fifteen when he was running the first time.
Speaker 2: Have you kept in contact with him?
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny he called me the other day. Really yeah,
Speaker 3: I you know my experience with Trump I in the eighties.
Speaker 3: You know, I was a big fan. I mean everybody
Speaker 3: was a big fan of Donald Trump in the eighties
Speaker 3: before the whole political thing happened, the Art of the Deal.
Speaker 3: One of the richest guys around, flamboyant, just just like
Speaker 3: just a very very popular guy. And then then you know,
Speaker 3: I always I always like what he did. And you
Speaker 3: know this, I'm a conservative you know in up here
Speaker 3: in the Blue States, something me in New England, which
Speaker 3: is mostly blue. I'm a I'm a conservative, so I
Speaker 3: believe in I believe in in paying for what we
Speaker 3: want to do. I believe in balancing the budget. I
Speaker 3: with me, Dan, who's ever like. I didn't vote for
Speaker 3: Joe Biden. I didn't vote for Joe Biden the first time,
Speaker 3: and I didn't vote vote for Joe Biden the second time.
Speaker 3: But when he won, he he's my president. That's how
Speaker 3: I do. I when you know, we vote, we do
Speaker 3: whatever we want. We want whoever to win to win.
Speaker 3: But but then whoever wins, it's my He's my president.
Speaker 3: So that's just how I am.
Speaker 2: I only have one at a time, Aready, And by
Speaker 2: the way, I'm the same as you are philosophically, and
Speaker 2: I had that same attitude. Go right ahead.
Speaker 3: I'm right. I think he's going to do I think
Speaker 3: he's going to do great things with with the economy.
Speaker 3: I I A lot of the stuff that happened during
Speaker 3: this last administration we knew was going to happen. We
Speaker 3: had no idea it was going to happen the way
Speaker 3: the way it did, but we knew there were going
Speaker 3: to be problems. And I think I think a guy
Speaker 3: like Trump, who has who had a pretty good record
Speaker 3: for the four years, for some reason, a a minority
Speaker 3: part of the population that you did not like what
Speaker 3: he did. But as we see now that that everybody
Speaker 3: voted and and he's the popular guy, he's the one
Speaker 3: that won. So let's give him a shot. Let's stand
Speaker 3: behind him. See what we can do.
Speaker 2: Is there anything I know when you have a conversation
Speaker 2: with the president you'd like to sort of keep that
Speaker 2: somewhat private. Anything that he said to you that surprised.
Speaker 3: You, Well, I you know, I'm not Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I'm not like. I'm not on me.
Speaker 3: I'm not in the inner circle of all of all this.
Speaker 3: You know. I know a couple of the right hand
Speaker 3: guys and something I like to I think I got
Speaker 3: the courtesy phone call just because he was calling a
Speaker 3: bunch of people. I don't think he didn't call me
Speaker 3: for any you know my opinion of anything. You know,
Speaker 3: I think I was just I think I was on
Speaker 3: a list of people they like to call. I'll tell
Speaker 3: you one thing about President Trump. Uh, you know what
Speaker 3: I've learned with the few times that I've I've talked
Speaker 3: to him is say, you don't talk to mister Trump.
Speaker 3: Trump talks to you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: That's that's just how it is.
Speaker 2: There. Enough, let's get some phoe calls for Ernie back here.
Speaker 2: That's a very app description description. Let me go first
Speaker 2: off to Donna in North bro Donnie, you have been
Speaker 2: holding on for a little bit. Appreciate your patience. You're
Speaker 2: all with Ernie buck Go.
Speaker 4: Right ahead, Donna, y'all worth the wait. I sure appreciate it. Hi, Dane,
Speaker 4: Hi Ernie. How are you tonight?
Speaker 3: Hello Donna, I'm very well.
Speaker 4: Excellent, thanks, wonderful.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: I love what you both do. Ernie. I want to
Speaker 4: speak to the fact that you do this music charity because,
Speaker 4: as a professional in the industry of engineering, one of
Speaker 4: our vps said that they would never hire anybody without
Speaker 4: a music background.
Speaker 3: So that's funny. That's funny when they're young.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, So that's a that's a wonderful, wonderful thing
Speaker 4: that you're doing. And as far as your Honder dealership goes,
Speaker 4: your dealer, it was the best in service for my
Speaker 4: Honda until a tree fell on it and broke it.
Speaker 3: Like oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that happened, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I was very proud. I was very powered of the
Speaker 3: customer service that I had with that Honda store. We
Speaker 3: did a tremendous amount of volume out of there and
Speaker 3: tried to keep everybody happy.
Speaker 4: Oh, incredibly professional in every way and very capable at
Speaker 4: their job. So that was wonderful. And I am aligned
Speaker 4: with you in terms of how you view the political
Speaker 4: world and how we run the country and how we
Speaker 4: support whomever is in office. And I do believe that
Speaker 4: Trump's using these Some people are calling them threats. I
Speaker 4: call them negotiation tactics.
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
Speaker 4: They absolutely need it in order to make people understand that,
Speaker 4: you know, we want to operate and support our own
Speaker 4: country as well. So thank you for for all that
Speaker 4: you're contributing to all of this. And Dan, I want
Speaker 4: to ask you, do you have great pool parties tooties
Speaker 4: anywhere near?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 4: Does he know anything about your pool parties?
Speaker 6: Ernie?
Speaker 3: They used to be a little wild, but you know
Speaker 3: they've they've calmed down.
Speaker 2: Oh, Donna, sounds like there's an inside joke here, but
Speaker 2: we're not going to touch it, that's for sure. Donna.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for Gaul.
Speaker 4: Yep, take care everyone.
Speaker 2: Very Christmas.
Speaker 4: Donna, yep, thank you.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Mark and Muber and Mark Ernie
Speaker 2: buck right ahead.
Speaker 6: Mark, I just think I was listening to the discussion
Speaker 6: and I just thought it was kind of ironic that
Speaker 6: we don't want government regulation to tell us to buy
Speaker 6: electric vehicles.
Speaker 3: Correct, well, we don't want really the government to tell
Speaker 3: us to buy anything. I mean, we should be able
Speaker 3: to decide on our own.
Speaker 6: So why should we then have the current government tell
Speaker 6: us what we can't buy? Isn't that just as much
Speaker 6: socialist overreach?
Speaker 3: I don't I don't understand.
Speaker 2: And what specific items, Mark, if you could be a
Speaker 2: little more less philosophical and more specific, what the Chinese?
Speaker 6: The Chinese electric vehicles, they don't want us to buy
Speaker 6: them because they're putting tariffs on that. What if those
Speaker 6: vehicles in an open market can compete with American electric vehicles?
Speaker 5: Are we not.
Speaker 6: Depriving the American consumer the ability to vote with their
Speaker 6: dollar and giving them the freedom to choose rather than
Speaker 6: restricting them.
Speaker 2: You've established a counter argument. Very well, go ahead, Ernie.
Speaker 3: No, I agree with you. I agree with you. You notice
Speaker 3: I took a soft stance on that, yes, they eventually
Speaker 3: will be here. The eventually will be here. In nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy one, the number one import to the United States
Speaker 3: was Volkswagen, number one import, and they were they were
Speaker 3: I remember this like it was yesterday, around nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three. They're going, hey, wait a minute, these
Speaker 3: Japanese cars, and everybody's like, gap, but you'll never be
Speaker 3: Vokswagen never and boom, you know, Japans the number one,
Speaker 3: number one import, and yeah, there has to be competition,
Speaker 3: but it's got to be. You don't want to just
Speaker 3: you know, open the gates and have them come in
Speaker 3: and slaughter rush. You don't want that, you want to
Speaker 3: want it.
Speaker 6: Well, that's but that that's capitalism. You're arguing for socialism
Speaker 6: short term social nis.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not. I am absolutely not arguing for socialism.
Speaker 3: I'm arguing you're wondering about a true or false You're
Speaker 3: using the I'm with the intelligent of an intelligent way
Speaker 3: to let him in, an intelligent way to let him in.
Speaker 3: I mean you have you have Jim Farley over there
Speaker 3: right now or he was over there recently from Ford,
Speaker 3: you know, because Ford Ford wants to wants to check
Speaker 3: out this this Chinese technology. They're fascinated with it. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it may come in, you know, the Chinese technology may
Speaker 3: come in via a domestic brand or or something like that.
Speaker 3: But you know, I just don't think you should just
Speaker 3: open the gates and let him in. I just don't
Speaker 3: think that.
Speaker 2: Let me jump in here for a second. If I
Speaker 2: can market mar let me jump in, Mark, if you
Speaker 2: don't mind, let me jump in for a second. Okay.
Speaker 2: One of the things that tariffs are able to do.
Speaker 2: If all of a sudden, someone is bringing into this
Speaker 2: country automobiles which are competing and taking a part of
Speaker 2: the American market, the domestic market, and they're being produced
Speaker 2: in you know, whether it's shirts or automobiles in cheap
Speaker 2: labor countries which we cannot compete against that they can
Speaker 2: actually produce the car and ship the car here less
Speaker 2: expensively than can be produced. It will destroy the American
Speaker 2: automotive market. It will adversely dramatically impact our economy. A
Speaker 2: lot of fellow Americans like you and me going to
Speaker 2: find themselves out of a job after having worked for
Speaker 2: thirty or forty years in an industry. And yeah, tariffs
Speaker 2: are protectionism, and I'm a conservative, but I think we
Speaker 2: need to protect our economy and protect our American workers.
Speaker 2: That's my position. I'm probably a little bit more.
Speaker 6: That's a very socialist way to look at.
Speaker 2: That's not a socialist way. That's not a social way
Speaker 2: at all. You can you can characterize it anything you want,
Speaker 2: the communist way if you.
Speaker 6: Want, it's communists. It's a payer list.
Speaker 3: No, hey, Mark, do you remember do you remember in
Speaker 3: the market. Do you remember in the eighties when when
Speaker 3: we accuse the Japanese of dumping? Do you remember that?
Speaker 6: Is this not market manipulation though, that's the fundamentals. It's
Speaker 6: market manipulation. Whatever you want to call it, it's market
Speaker 6: manipulation to get people to keep their jobs. Correct.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, in a broad stroke, Mark, Yes, okay.
Speaker 6: So all I'm saying is, let's call it what it is, and.
Speaker 2: It's not socialism. If you call it anything, market, it's
Speaker 2: not socialism. It's us not what is it. It's acting
Speaker 2: in our own best predicular, it's in our own best
Speaker 2: economic interest when.
Speaker 6: We ending that, I'm agreeing with you wholeheartedly, but I'm
Speaker 6: just saying it's a mechanism used by the government to
Speaker 6: interfere with the freemall.
Speaker 2: This also, by the way, that there's no there's also
Speaker 2: a mechanism used by the government when we uh send
Speaker 2: US military troops to protect our economic interest. If all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, if all of a sudden, an if
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, if all of a sudden, a
Speaker 2: school of medical students in a in a small country
Speaker 2: like Grenada is taken over and the lives of those
Speaker 2: American students medical students are being threatened by the Grenadian government.
Speaker 2: You're damn right. I want the eighty second Airborne Division
Speaker 2: to go in there and protect American lives. And that's
Speaker 2: that's a different form of protectionism. But it's sure as
Speaker 2: hell not socialism. Mark.
Speaker 6: You make great points market manipulation though.
Speaker 2: Well look this all sorts of taxes of market manipulation. Mark,
Speaker 2: taxes of market manipulation. If the government takes enough to.
Speaker 6: Taxly out of you.
Speaker 2: You can't participate as fully as like in the market.
Speaker 2: You're playing games with us. It's an interesting call, but
Speaker 2: I'm past my break and I got to let you go.
Speaker 2: You felt you had a call, Mark, good call, thanks, Mark, Ernie.
Speaker 2: I got great calls. We'll be back with a couple
Speaker 2: more with Ernie Bach right after this at night Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Ernie Bach is my guest. Let's keep rolling here, going
Speaker 2: to go to Bill and Norfolk. Bill, we'll getting a
Speaker 2: little tight on time. Got you in with Ernie. Go
Speaker 2: right ahead.
Speaker 5: Bill, great, and thanks for taking my call. And Ernie,
Speaker 5: thank you for what you do for music drives us.
Speaker 5: You have a lot of schools, a lot of school systems.
Speaker 5: You get them a lot of gear that they can't
Speaker 5: get normally. So I appreciate you doing that because you
Speaker 5: don't have to thank you. And I bought three crvs
Speaker 5: from you guys, another CRV from the New Guys, and
Speaker 5: it's not the same. I'll tell you that man, Dan
Speaker 5: and Dan and I both went to the same high school.
Speaker 5: And you and I both wanted same college. And I
Speaker 5: think I was a senior, you were a junior. We
Speaker 5: both had Jim Anderson as a guitar team.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's funny. I haven't heard that name in
Speaker 3: a long time. I love that guy. That guy was
Speaker 3: a cool guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was kind of a hipper kind of a teacher.
Speaker 5: But my question is are you playing and what are
Speaker 5: you doing musically these days?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I I play every day for myself.
Speaker 3: But what I do do when not many people know this,
Speaker 3: and I don't really say it that often, but all
Speaker 3: the cool Subaru jingles you hear on TV for New
Speaker 3: England Subaru, those are all original compositions and I play
Speaker 3: on a lot of them. Cool cool, Yeah, don't. We
Speaker 3: don't pay publishing. We write the song, record the song,
Speaker 3: and I have I have seventeen jingles that that that
Speaker 3: I can draw from that we've written. And we used
Speaker 3: to go and it's funny. Back in the day, we
Speaker 3: used to go into a proper recording studio, you know,
Speaker 3: with the buttons and the thing and the microphone, the
Speaker 3: isolation boost is all that stuff. And now with the tech,
Speaker 3: I just do it at my house.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the way things have done these days.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 2: Now, I want to get one more if I can. Okay,
Speaker 2: go right ahead, man, Thanks, Bill appreciate it of course.
Speaker 2: And Nie ernie Bach and his bandmates have opened for
Speaker 2: some big acts on the road. By the way, we've
Speaker 2: talked about that before. Let me go to Sandra in Carver. Sandra,
Speaker 2: I got you in here real real late, but you
Speaker 2: go right ahead. You're own with her.
Speaker 7: Okay, had a few things I was going to talk about,
Speaker 7: but I'll just single in on one thing and.
Speaker 3: Hello both he is, yeah, hello, taking my call.
Speaker 7: And I just want to say that I did take
Speaker 7: care of your father at Beth Israel Hospital in the
Speaker 7: nineteen sixties.
Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you.
Speaker 7: Hating myself at that point, he said, come on down,
Speaker 7: I'll give you a deal on a car. But I
Speaker 7: didn't even drive till I was in my thirties. So
Speaker 7: I just wanted to share that with you.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 7: And I don't know if I have any more time
Speaker 7: to talk.
Speaker 2: Or well, if you got if you want to ask
Speaker 2: a quick question, try a quick question, go ahead.
Speaker 7: Well I'll just say I believe strongly in music, and
Speaker 7: I you know, I was an individual that I was
Speaker 7: told I couldn't be taught piano and was going to
Speaker 7: get free lessons and I ended up playing the piano
Speaker 7: for the Sunday school and I played the piano for
Speaker 7: the capping exercises and nurses training. So if a kid
Speaker 7: can't learn that, I always find a way, and I
Speaker 7: did it, and I taught myself guitar later, so that's so.
Speaker 7: And I thought my kids would be musical, but I
Speaker 7: bought all kinds of instruments and nobody played anything. So
Speaker 7: I'll let you call somebody out talking. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2: Your career in nursing, so Erdiebach. If folks want to
Speaker 2: support Music Drives us, let's let's go to that website
Speaker 2: one more time. Here.
Speaker 3: Sure you can go to music drives dot org. We
Speaker 3: have a lot of we have a lot of events
Speaker 3: coming up, we have a lot of funding, and the
Speaker 3: grant cycle is open all the time. Now. You can
Speaker 3: follow me on Instagram at Ernie Bock Junior. On Instagram.
Speaker 3: I'm on Facebook, but I'm not on Facebook that much anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of weaning off of Facebook and more staying
Speaker 3: just on X and Instagram.
Speaker 2: All right, Ernie Bock Junior, always great, uh to chat.
Speaker 2: You are a renaissance man, businessman and philanthropist. You do
Speaker 2: a lot of good and you have the coverage of
Speaker 2: your convictions. I really appreciate you taking the time. You
Speaker 2: are welcome here any night or do you know that?
Speaker 3: Well? Thank you, Dan, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: All right, my friend, we'll talk soon. Have great holiday Christmas,
Speaker 2: Thanks very much. We get back going to talk about
Speaker 2: the story of the day, which is Joe Biden's pardon
Speaker 2: for his son Hunter. Biden said he wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2: Now he's doing it. What would have you done. We'll
Speaker 2: be back on Nightside right after the ten o'clock news
Speaker 2: here on a Monday night, December second,