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your support. So the Charlotte Observer piece by Mary Ramsey

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headlined crime takes focus in Charlotte mayoral race after Southend

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light rail stabbing. This might explain why the mayor, who

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is up for reelection as a primary maybe why she

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called an emergency session of the Metropolitan Transit Commission met

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today at nine am. And as I mentioned last hour,

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I watched it so you didn't have to, because I'm

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a giver. This is what I do. The pace of

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the Charlotte Observer begins. Charlotte mayoral candidates are rolling out

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plans to address crime after a high profile murder on

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the city's public transit system and calling out current Mayor

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Vy Lyles's response to the situation, which is not mentioned

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in the piece, but I will note here that her

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initial response to the stabbing was a single sentence thoughts

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and prayers for the victim, the twenty three year old

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Ukrainian refugee who had settled in Charlotte after fleeing a

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war zone, and one sentence their thoughts and prayers were

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for her family, and then five paragraphs about how somehow

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we the community all failed the suspect and you know,

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we need to do better by him, and people thought

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that was a little tone deaf after it took her

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like four days to even issue any kind of a

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statement at all. Multiple city council members now called for

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action to improve safety on public transit in the wake

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of the killing. Lyles issued a statement, as I mentioned,

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days after the incident, offering condolences to Zerutzka's loved ones

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that's Arena Zeruitzka, the victim here, and calling the case

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a tragic situation that sheds light on problems with society

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safety nets related to mental health care and the systems

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that should be in place.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So it's always this call to spend more money on

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more stuff, more services. How did we fail that suspect?

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Some of her opponents in the Democrat primary are questioning

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whether she has done enough to address crime. However, you've

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got candidate Brendan McGinnis. He called Lyles's initial response to

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the stabbing quote less than adequate. He told The Observer

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that he worries that the Trump administration could use a

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high profile killing to justify intervening in Charlotte. I don't

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even know if Trump knows Charlotte exists. Okay, No, okay,

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he does know it exists. But I don't think it's like,

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I don't think we're on his radar for the crime situation. Okay.

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I think he's looking at cities like LA Chicago, DC,

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you know where, like until he works all the way

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down that list.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you got to worry about that, mister McGinnis.

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I do applaud him, though, because he actually released a

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public safety plan he calls it, in the wake of

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the stabbing, and I looked it over. I read through

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his plan and it's a lot of expansion of government

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spending and services in order to address the very things

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that vy Lyles said in her statement, which he called

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less than adequate. So he says he wants there to

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be two hundred cameras installed across Blue Line stations, uh,

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and link those to the Charlotte Chlamburg Police departments Real

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Time Crime Center. This was actually part of the meeting

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today h the transit Metropolitan Transit Commission members was Uh.

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They were asked about, you know, all of the cameras

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that we've got there, do they connect into the you know,

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the the CMPD Real Time Crime Center where they got

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all these you know, monitors and stuff, and they can

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they can see cameras from all over the city. And

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the answer is no, they're not tied in. There's not

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a direct feed into CMPD. And so look, I mean

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that's an idea. I'm not I'm not against that. If

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you if there's a way to give them a feed

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somehow of these cameras, I think that would be helpful.

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some evidence of some kind or whatever they think it's

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do it, sure, why not. He also wants de escalation

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training for cats operators. That's what it always comes down to.

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It's always like de escalate the person who's you know,

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behaving insane right. What about what about criminally insane? What

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about people who are who are deranged?

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Speaker 2: Right? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You think the bus drivers getting some de escalation training.

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I mean, I guess it could help, but I would

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say probably the primary problem is that they're you know,

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driving the bus for example, And while there are a

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lot of buses, I don't think you can put a

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cop on every single bus. Although I will say the

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cat's officials say they're trying to beef up security. Right now,

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the system has one hundred and eighty four officers on staff.

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They want to raise that to two hundred and nineteen.

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so they want to add thirty five more security officers. Okay.

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They want to decouple the security from the fair collection. Okay.

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But something I heard Brent Kagil say. It was the

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interim CEO of CATS. I heard him say today at

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the meeting. He said that, you know, fair collection and

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fair enforcement is mainly like a revenue protection operation. That's

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why they do it well. Right, But that's that's one

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part of it. It's the right to protect your revenue collection,

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which I would submit that's also important. However, when you

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crack down on fair jumping, you are also making your

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transit system safer because the people who who would jump

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the fares, jump the turnstiles to get into your system

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right to not pay. They then feel emboldened to engage

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in more criminal activity because it doesn't cost them anything,

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especially if they're under the age of eighteen. They can

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run amok, they can get arrested, they're gonna get released

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right back out to their parents or guardians within hours,

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and there's no penalty, right so at least if you

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have to pay it again in why do you think

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Disney charges so much money to get into their theme parks?

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As Neil Boorts would tell you, famous talk show host

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out of Atlanta, it's to keep the riff raff out.

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And maybe that's offensive for you to hear, or some

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lefties to hear. Oh my gosh, he said, riffraff. Yeah,

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that's behavioral. If you're going to behave like a jackass,

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then you don't get to come onto the property. If

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you cannot abide by the social norms of a civil society,

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then you don't get to participate in those privileges that

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the society pays for. That's the deal. If you don't

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like that deal, then go live off somewhere else where

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there are no transit services, right, and there might not

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also be a lot of victims for you to pray upon. Uh,

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let me go to Ralph. Hello, Ralph watching.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I would like to come in defense of live

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bials read and I why it took so long for

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her to make a statement four days she was keeping

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her grandchildren that week, and I mean, you know I

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ever heard this probably you know her number one priority

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and everything you know for tidy town. We don't like

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these little messes. We would need to squeak them under

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the rug. And especially the news media outt they don't

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need to be reporting because if we if we won't

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visit to come to Charlotte, we don't need this kind

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of coverage.

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Speaker 1: Well, then it's a fair point. I do not deny

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that mentality exists. I would submit, if you don't want

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the coverage, then address the crime, address the problem, Ralph.

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I appreciate the call, Buddy, good to hear from you.

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I think that's really the like, that's the problem. The

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problem is the problem. It's not the coverage of the problem.

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So when I was a kid, my Grandpa died with Alzheimer's,

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and before he died, my mom and my dad took

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care of him as he got worse. Forty years ago,

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there were no treatments and not much support for caregivers

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and family. But things are different today because of the

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work of so many people, including the Alzheimer's Association of

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Western Carolina. It's a great organization with awesome people with

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huge hearts. I've been a supporter for twenty five years.

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This cause means a lot to me. I participate in

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the annual Walk to end Alzheimer's and I'm leading a

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Charlotte team again this year, and it's called once again

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Pete's Pack. You can sign up and you can join

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the team and walk with us. It's on October eighteenth,

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that truest field. Sign up at alz dot org slash

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walk and then you could search for my team name

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Pete's Peck. There's also a link at thepetepod dot com.

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There's also a link in the description of this podcast. Also,

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I'll be am seeing the Gastonia Walk on October eleventh,

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and so you can make a team and join that

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one too, or make a donation and help me hit

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my goal of five thousand dollars. If you do, I

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really appreciate it. There are a bunch of other walks

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all over the Carolinas. You can go to alz dot

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org slash walk for all the dates and locations. We're

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closer than ever to stopping Alzheimer's. Can you help us

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get there? Will you walk with me? For a different future,

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for families, for more time for treatments. This is why

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we walk. I got this text from Dana. You keep

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speaking on George Floyd's murder, almost as if you think

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it was his fault that he was choked out. You

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don't know it, but you sound like an undercover racist. Okay, sorry, Dana,

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that charge carries no purchase any longer. Here there is

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a difference between commenting on the way George Floyd was

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killed and the way that he was essentially elevated to

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martyr status by the left and the media. Okay, that's

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why I call it. That's why I call him, you know,

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Saint George Floyd, because that's what was done to him.

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Speaker 2: That is that is.

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Speaker 1: A commentary on the media reaction to him. They disregard

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all of the stuff that he did, all of the

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contributing factors everything else, and it just becomes this this

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hagiographical figure. That's it. And then in his name, now

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defund all the police, tear down all the systems of

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oppression and institutional racism, and now here we are. And

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people like me were saying you're being stupid at that time,

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and now we are in the reaping phase. Not very pleasant,

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but I would venture to guess I know which side

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of that argument you were on, and now you are

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trying to avoid the responsibility of what we are reaping, right, Craig,

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Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: Hello Craig, Hey, how are you good?

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 2: So? I don't believe that paying the fare is a

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priority for our mayor or any of our city council,

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because if it was, they would have had things and

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programs in place from day one to ensure that it was.

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Being that. They are Democrats who think that pretty much

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everything should be free. I can pretty much guarantee you

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they believe that there should be no fair being charged

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with us are light Rail, so they don't care about

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trying to make sure anybody pays it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that would be I mean, that would explain sort

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of the response today from the interim CEO of CATS,

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Brent Kagel, who said that, you know, fair enforcement is

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primarily a revenue protection operation. And to your point, if

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they don't care about revenue protection, then they wouldn't care

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about enforcing the fares. When in fact, there's a twofold

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reason for the fair collection, which is, as I said,

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you know the other part of it is to keep

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the riff raff out.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't believe they do care because as we

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all know, this one penny sales tax, it's going to

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happen on the votes just a formality. So if they

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can just keep going back and raping the taxpayers for

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the money that they need to run these programs, then

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they're not going to concern themselves with warring about making

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people pay. They don't believe these people should have to

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pay anyways. They think that they're poor and they're maligned,

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and they're unserved and any other adjective democrats like to

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say about people, and that they're basically owed a free

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ride because of their situation in life.

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Speaker 1: Book, there are yeah, I mean there are the City

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of Ashville. I mean not just reparations. They literally just

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did this, Uh, they did their reparations presentation this week.

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But they also they have done free buses in Ashville

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for years. They've been doing that for that for those

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very reasons, and they are rolling homeless shelters, and then

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they wonder why people don't want to get on the

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buses and sit in somebody else's vomit and defecation. Right,

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And you're again like you you can't come to me

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and ask me to increase funding for your transit system

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through this referendum while the transit system has the has

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these problems. Right, It's a hard sell to now have

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to make. And I'm not so sure that I'm not

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so sure that they aren't too worried that they aren't

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worried about the way this election might go, because I mean,

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this is going to be an off year low turnout

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election for where this reference is up. You've already got

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voters that are mad because it doesn't have funding for

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the light rail to Huntersville, right, So people are complaining

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or not hunters But but Matthew's right, they're complaining about that,

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and the North side is complaining about bait and switch stuff.

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I'm not so sure that there isn't going to be

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enough of an oppositional force that may very well turn

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out and vote this thing down. It is a county

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wide referendum, so it could happen.

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Speaker 2: I mean they hope it does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the the Arena vote back in two

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thousand went down in a you know, an in an

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odd year off cycle referendum vote too, because if you

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just get the angries that get out and vote, you

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could have a lot of people that are angry, you know,

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for different reasons, and then they all create one big

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coalition to vote it down. So it's possible, Craig, I

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appreciate the call man. Good to hear from you. And

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to Craig's point, I got this message from Mark who

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says the blame for this rests squarely on the show

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of Pat McCrory and ron to Pat McCrory, the former

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mayor of Charlotte, ron Tober the original Cats CEO. They

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were the ones driving the train, if you will. No

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consideration was given to securing access to riders who had

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paid by installing security turnstiles. That is, not the little

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green ones with a silver waste bar, but actual security

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where a person cannot breach the system. Of course, that

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would imply there were people in Charlotte that weren't the

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patrician Southerners that the mcrory's and Tobers and others thing populate.

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The Queen City curses upon them all. So, yeah, this

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was the original design flaw with the system was the

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open platforms, Like you can walk up to any of

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these platforms. They wanted it nice and clean and tidy, right,

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They wanted it all nice and clean and open, so

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anybody could just walk up. And that's the whole idea

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with the trolley line too. Oh, just like I got

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these visions of San Francisco, I just jump aboard the

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trolley and I just write it up the hill. That's

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that was the vision. And yeah, how are you gonna

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stop the fair jumpers? How are you gonna keep the

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revenue protected? They didn't care to. It was the original

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to the text line with some more commentary. Do these people,

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this is from a nine to eight zero number, do

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these people realize that you aren't going to find volunteers

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to check tickets? You would be the one being knifed.

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Oh that's from Doug. Well, yeah, I mean cats employees

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you would hire. You would hire employees and they would

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walk the trains and they would check the tickets, and

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then if somebody doesn't want to show the ticket or

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doesn't have a ticket, whatever, they then call that in

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to the security and then the security comes and removes

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the people. The cat's conductor isn't supposed to be doing enforcement,

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Like they're not cuffing people and anything like that. Bob says, uh,

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felony rap sheet. I wish the courts and judges were

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civilly liable for felonious behaviors in some circumstances. I've heard

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that kicked around as a potential way to reign in

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some of these people. Baine thanks me for taking his call,

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and not a problem. I always good to talk with you.

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Speaker 2: Ban.

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Speaker 1: Whatever happened to institutes that housed all of the crazy people, Well,

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it's funny you mentioned that there actually are still some

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of these. Now, there was a piece I pulled from

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actually twenty twenty one North Carolina Healthnews dot org. So

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this was at you know, twenty twenty one. The defund

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the police movement was really you know, genned up at

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this time. And one of the things that they were

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talking about in the North Carolina General Assembly actually before

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the summer of fiery but mostly peaceful riots. Before that,

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they had passed a law on involuntary commitments or ivc's,

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And part of the problem North Carolina has is that

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there aren't a lot of these institutions still open for

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and involuntar Harry commitment, and most counties use their sheriffs

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deputies or law enforcement in general to transport people to

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the to the hospitals, and the mental health professionals are saying,

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have been saying for years that that compounds the trauma,

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so there needs to be some different kind of an

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ambulance service. Basically, we shouldn't be handcuffing people and sending

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them to these hospitals. Although I would point out, as

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Russ did here in a message on Twitter, that all

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the people who want to prioritize de escalation over police

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use of force seem totally unaware that professional mental health

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institutions also use very large people with straight jackets, batons,

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and tasers in case the de escalation fails, right, I

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This idea that you just got a couple of you know,

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nurses that are talking kindly to somebody, and that's going

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to de escalate the situation, Yet it ignores the fact

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that they are backed up by three or four very

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large guys in white lab coats or smocks, right, that

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are able to physically restrain somebody who is a danger

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to themselves or others. Let me see, I let me

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clear out another texter to do do you? De escalators

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will not help?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Says another Texter, Tell that jackass that said in the

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meeting this morning that there is no way to check

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tickets for every rider to take a ride on Amtrak,

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Long Island Railroad or any well run public transportation. The

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LI double R has been doing it successfully for as

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long as I've been alive, seventy years. Yeah, it's like

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it's a very simple it's a very simple system, right,

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Like train technology is not new, Okay, it's been a

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round for over a century, So they figured this out

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a long time ago. Guy walks through with a little

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ticket puncher and he puts it onto your seat, this

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little clip on the seat, and you stick the ticket

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on the seat, and they know that you have paid

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for that ticket, and you click, you punch the hole

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in it, you put it on the seat, and now

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they know I've already come through, I've already talked to you.

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Because there are a lot of stops, so they're constantly

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walking through checking for tickets. Mike says the state needs

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to change the law for legal concealed carry on cats

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trains and buses. That would help the crime problem, No,

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because then then the bad guys would conceal carry on

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the buses and trains too. Mike. Oh wait, oh, they

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already do, if you want to call their bluff, says Stan.

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Put the light rail up for sale so somebody can

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run it and maintain it for a profit. That's an idea.

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Why not privatize it, See if somebody else can do

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a better job. Simple solution until they can figure out

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is to bring in the National Guard. Bring off duty

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sheriffs and CMPD officers, team them up with the National

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Guard MP or soldier and let them patrol the light

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rail until they get it under control. Uh yeah, I

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mean the mayor can ask for some assistance from the

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state if she wanted to. Betty says, let me get

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this straight. They want me to vote yes to millions

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of light rail dollars and the revenue is not rider shared.

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I am voting no anyway, because the upticking businesses and

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dwellings that spring up around the rail should fund it.

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I am really voting no.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: How arrogant and irresponsible of the council. Yeah, they're not

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even protecting their revenue share. That's the frustrating thing too,

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Like you have this light rail that has spurred all

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this development, and yet you want to ask me for

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more money on everything I buy. But you're not even

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who this is from. I don't think hang on um

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no pete. I grew up here, but I lived fifteen

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years in the DMV area. That was about how long

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it felt when I was last at the DMV. Anyway,

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I rode the DC Metrorail every workday for a long time,

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and when I took the Charlotte light Rail, I was

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floored that there were no security turnstiles to prevent fair jumping. Granted,

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the metrorail is the only major public transportation system that

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I know of that is supported by a tax or sorry,

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that is not supported by attacks. It's supported by the

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riders and the jurisdictions promised to pay. So it's a

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tax from those jurisdictions maybe, but not a standalone in

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sales tax. I guess, but I don't understand it because

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seeing homeless people pandering in the or panhandling in the

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system was way more uncommon up there. Well, that's because

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the people who work in government don't want to see

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this stuff. This is just for you people to see

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and have to suffer through when you ride the train

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when it's their train. No, no, no, no, they're going

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to make sure that they're not exposed to any of

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those people. Stan asks, I wonder why they don't enforce

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tax collections the same way they enforce fair collection on

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the light rail. Make it the honor system. I like it, right?

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Why not that? That makes me think too. It's like,

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if you paid more attention to the collection of the fares,

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you wouldn't have to ask me to pay more money,

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and you wouldn't have to outsource the fair collection to

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local businesses because that's what you're doing, right. You're having

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the local businesses collect the sales tax and then refund

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the sales tax, you know, through the state and then

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back around. So it's going to devalue that total revenue

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and then give it back to the local so the

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businesses become your fair collectors. Is that fair?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: But there's certainty. See, there's certainty. If ever, there's an

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indictment on public versus private right, the public sector doing

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something versus the usual superiority of the private sector doing it.

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This is it no?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: You have the private sector that is able to actually

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collect all of the sales taxes to fund your train system.

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When you cannot do it, nay, you refuse to do it.

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Here's from the story that wbt's news director Mark Garrison

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wrote up after the Metropolitan Transit Commission meeting today. Transit

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chief Brent Cagel told the city council quote, with an

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open system, it will always be impossible to check every

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passenger every day. I'm going to need some numbers on that. Actually,

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I'm going to need to see some analysis before I

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say that that's true, before I agree with that premise.

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I'm going to need to see some data. How many

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people would it take to walk the trains because the

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buses are a different animal, Okay they are, I mean,

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because you've got way more buses than you have trains.

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So I'd like to see what it would cost, Like,

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how much revenue would be generated if you got close

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to one hundred percent fair collection, how much revenue is

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brought in for that versus the cost of hiring the

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personnel to do it right. And then also I'd kind

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of like to see what impact that has on public

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safety security because a greater presence on the trains, I

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mean other cities have shown us that when you crack

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down on this stuff and you put more police presence

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in your transit system, you get less crime. By the way,

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President Trump told the Daily Caller that he is open

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to bringing back insane asylums to institutionalize mentally ill individuals

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on America's streets. So there's that. And also came across

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this too, Tim Wigginton over at the Blue Ridge Times,

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reporting that the ashvill City Council passed an update to

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the city Ordinance addressing panhandling and solicitation in high traffic zones.

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The update increases high traffic areas to now include areas

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that experience a large amount of pedestrian foot traffic as

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well as bicycle traffic. Previously it only applied to areas

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of downtown and built more village. So they're expanding this out.

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And so in general, panhandling and solicitation are allowed on sidewalks,

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but it's prohibited anywhere within the high traffic zones. Prohibited

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on a median in the street or on a roadside shoulder. Congratulations, Ashville. Finally,

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I don't know, maybe cleaning up just a tad all right,

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that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much

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