WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.360 --> 00:00:06.320 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's Radio. 2 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:10.599 All right, welcome back everyone. It is now a little 3 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:13.119 bit after nine o'clock. Thanks very much, Stan Watkins, and 4 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:16.839 we have taken a break here and we're going to 5 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:19.800 now go to the postion of the program where callers 6 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:22.359 are invited to join the conversation, and I think we're 7 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:26.719 about to have a fascinating conversation. My guest is David Nangele, 8 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:34.039 former Massachusetts state representative representative. Welcome to Nightside. How are 9 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:35.000 you tonight? David? 10 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:37.920 I'm going to find Dan and thank you for having 11 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:38.880 me on this evening. 12 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:42.399 Well delighted to have you. I think people are going 13 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:47.240 to be gratified to hear what you have to say. 14 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:57.439 You did end up in federal prison for some matters 15 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:02.719 that did not involve the u of public funds. These 16 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:06.159 were your own political campaign funds, and I know that's 17 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:07.719 sort of the end of the story and we will 18 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:12.359 get to that. But you have a message that you 19 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:16.840 want to impart to people because I think it's fair 20 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:22.560 to say that all of your legal problems began as 21 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:24.200 a consequence of an addiction. 22 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.200 Fair statement, Absolutely correct. 23 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:33.000 Okay, why did you explain in your own words, how 24 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:36.079 you got to the point that you were serving in 25 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:39.959 the legislature for twenty two years. You the assistant majority leader, 26 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.599 You were known as the constituent service guy. You probably 27 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:46.640 could have stayed and someday been speak with the House 28 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:52.000 of Massachusetts. You're represented amongst other communities at different times, Lowell, Chelmsford, 29 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.680 Tewkesbury and andover. You were very popular in your district 30 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:00.280 and it all came apart kind of quickly. So give 31 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:04.439 us your perspective, and then you're not backing away from 32 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.759 You admitted, you played guilty, you served your time, You've 33 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:11.240 paid your debt to society, all of which is good. 34 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:15.439 But beyond that, now you're not coming back and hiding. 35 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:19.840 You're putting your story out there tonight publicly, and I 36 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:21.680 hope people will listen to it because I think it 37 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:24.960 is one a cautionary tale, and it's also a story 38 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:27.960 of someone who wants to get up off the mat 39 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:33.919 and be a participant, and if not in public life, 40 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:38.240 but certainly be a participant publicly in the cormwealth of Massachusetts. 41 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:41.840 Be a person who walks with his head up, go 42 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:42.400 right ahead. 43 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:46.479 Well, thank you, Dan for the opportunity to speak this evening, 44 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:49.360 and I'm glad that you have me on here tonight, 45 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.439 and I'll tell my story and a little bit about 46 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.319 where I am today and what I'm looking to do, 47 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:58.599 and hopefully they can help some individuals. So, as I said, 48 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:01.599 I was a kid, probably thirteen fourteen years old when 49 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:05.199 UH started betting with football cards and playing a game 50 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:09.680 of CODs called forty five. Then it led to betting 51 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:12.800 with the local bookies at the age of sixteen seventeen, 52 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:16.639 eighteen years old. Coming from the city of old there 53 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:18.919 were a lot of bookies at the time. I might 54 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.960 rat and it just got ahead of me. You know, 55 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:24.879 I was seventeen years old and I owed a bookie 56 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:27.919 eight hundred dollars. I was working in my uncle sub 57 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:30.719 shop making probably two dollars and twenty cents an hour 58 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:33.520 at the time, So that was. 59 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:38.159 A lot of stubs to pay off that debt. How 60 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:41.400 did you get in so deep so quickly that. 61 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:44.080 I really don't know, Dan, I really don't I guess 62 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:46.759 I was chasing my losses at that point in time. 63 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:51.039 I have to think back, you know, that's forty seven 64 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.759 years ago, and so we just got ahead of me. 65 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:57.560 And then through a friend and a friend. I was 66 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:01.199 able to get bailed out, as we say, and it 67 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.879 was probably a good thing at the time, but unfortunately 68 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:06.879 it wasn't a good thing at forty four years later 69 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:09.759 with the outcome of what happened to me. So I 70 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:12.319 was able to get out of that situation. But the 71 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:16.759 game went continued as I continued into my twenties until 72 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:19.399 my mid twenties, I got married, and you know, at 73 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:21.480 that point, the game we kept going on and on, 74 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:24.279 and I hit it from everybody, hit it from my siblings, 75 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:28.000 from my closest friends, from other people. Some of them 76 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.120 may have known, maybe they didn't know, but I hit it. 77 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.800 I thought I did anyways, So at that point I'm 78 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.720 going along and I ended up costing me my marriage. 79 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:39.639 And that's what bothers me the most is the fact 80 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:44.120 of what I've done to my family, to my daughter 81 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:47.600 in particular, the embarrassment is shame that she went through 82 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:50.839 at the same time that I did. But my family 83 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:54.399 is just unbelievable. I have the best family in the world, 84 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:57.839 and they all supported me throughout the darkest time of 85 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.360 my life. My close friend were there for me as well, 86 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:06.519 and it all came crashing down on February twentieth of 87 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:11.480 twenty twenty, when I had eleven agents, if you will 88 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:14.720 come to retrieve me out of my house and take 89 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:18.480 me down to the Mocley Courthouse Federal courthouse in Boston, 90 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.879 and ruined me that day, charged me with a whole 91 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:28.279 host of different charges, misuse of campaign dollars, some tax issues, 92 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:31.560 some alleged bank fraud, and so on and so forth. 93 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.680 So I'll never forget coming out of there that day, 94 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:38.160 and you being a former news reporter on the street, 95 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.040 then you know, we walked out into a sea of reporters. 96 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.120 And was not one of them. I was not one 97 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:43.439 of them. 98 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.639 No, No, not that, not that day. I know that. 99 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:51.199 But you know the humiliation that I brought upon myself, 100 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:55.600 but more importantly to me personally, the humiliation I brought 101 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:56.560 upon to my family. 102 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:00.519 I would just ask you questions. Just wanted to ask 103 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.560 a couple a question here. So you had a problem 104 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:08.519 when you're young. In the meantime, you get elected to 105 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.560 the State House of Representatives and you're working a way 106 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.040 up to the leadership rank, sure the assistant majority leader. 107 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.399 You were on a path to become eventually Speaker of 108 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.759 the House. I think that most people would have assumed 109 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:28.759 that in that period from the time when you first 110 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:34.399 got addicted to it, that covers a span of like 111 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.360 forty years, there must have been before forty four years. 112 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.279 There must have been some days during that time you 113 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.519 weren't losing every bet. I'm sure that you must have 114 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.000 had some days that you won and you probably said, hey, 115 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:51.079 you know, this isn't so bad after all, but you 116 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:53.920 were still hurtling toward that cliff. Is that an accurate 117 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:56.360 metaphorical characterization. 118 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:58.560 That's very accurate. 119 00:06:58.639 --> 00:06:58.800 Dan. 120 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:03.160 As a matter of fact, any problem gambler will tell 121 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:05.319 you the worst thing that can happen is having a 122 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.519 big win, because once you have a big win, you 123 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:11.160 go back, you think you're invincible and you're going to 124 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:13.319 always win. That's the worst thing that can happen to 125 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:18.120 a gambling individual that has a gambling problem. So yes, 126 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.399 I served for twenty two years. I represented Bowl and 127 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:26.040 some surrounding towns. I moved up in leadership. I appreciate 128 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:27.759 that comment, but I don't think I ever would have 129 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:32.319 been speaker. But I thoroughly enjoyed it twenty two years 130 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:36.800 with just helping people. As you mentioned earlier, I was 131 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.480 the constituent service representative known for that sort of thing. 132 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:44.120 But yes, from my colleagues, hit it from anybody, so 133 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.680 I thought maybe some new some have told me they 134 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:50.839 sensed it. Since everything to be But yeah, I had 135 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.439 a great career. I mean, there's no doubt about it. 136 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.399 I lost my career, I lost my reputation. I was 137 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:01.560 lili needed all because of a gambling addiction. I paid 138 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:03.079 the price varmit daily. 139 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.199 You pled guilty. There wasn't a trial in the classic 140 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:10.439 sense of a trial. You pled out. You were sentenced 141 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:14.079 to fifteen months. Again, this was all happening in the 142 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:17.079 context of the arrival of COVID, just to kind of 143 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:21.360 put it in some perspective. And you spent some time, 144 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.319 especially difficult time when they were concerned about the spread 145 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:29.160 of COVID, up at the Fort Devons prison where you 146 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:36.120 served your time, and actually COVID got you out of 147 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:40.919 You completed your sentence a little earlier as a result 148 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.919 of COVID. Ironically one of the few people that maybe 149 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:47.559 had to believe it or not a benefit from COVID. 150 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:53.240 So you came home and in the time you were away, 151 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:56.559 the world that you knew in the world you represented 152 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:59.039 had changed dramatic. 153 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.240 Absolutely, what absolutely. 154 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:04.840 What hit you the most when when you finally you know, 155 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:08.440 walked to freedom. I mean you you weren't busting rocks 156 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:11.279 and you know, on a chain gang, you a white 157 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:14.559 collar sort of prison circumstance, but you're still in prison. 158 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:15.240 It's no fun. 159 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:19.559 No, I don't care where you go. If you go 160 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.440 to prison, if you're incarcerated at any time, it's not fun. 161 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:27.480 Once that door closes, you know, you lose your freedom 162 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:31.960 and most importantly, contact with your loved ones. But you do. 163 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.080 You did what you had to do there. You know 164 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:38.519 it was I worked every day, I truthfully didned. I 165 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:41.720 was in an office's quarters. I was cleaning the bathrooms 166 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:45.240 and mopping the floors and empty and waste baskets. I 167 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:48.519 was very humble, and during the time there, it was 168 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:51.320 very difficult to be away from my loved ones. That 169 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:54.440 was the most important thing that bought to me. I 170 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:57.159 was just as concerned about them as they were about me. 171 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:00.879 But we got through it. And like I say, it 172 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:04.039 was faith, family and friends that got me through that 173 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:06.759 most difficult time in my life. And I have to 174 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:08.559 say it was my faith that tould me through. I 175 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:11.440 have a dear friend up here in Rowland. I will 176 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:14.840 say his name, A great guy from a state Senator, 177 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:17.919 Steve Panjatakas. And the day before I had to report, 178 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:20.639 I always remember him. He put his hands on my 179 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.879 shoulders and said, don't lose your faith, and I didn't, okay, 180 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:27.120 And that's two of the most difficult time. 181 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:29.159 When we come back, I got to take a break. 182 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.240 We come back, I want to talk about what is 183 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.480 your message. I know you were at the State House 184 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:38.679 sort an ironic return. It was late March. If I'm 185 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:43.639 not mistaken when I read the story, and my respect 186 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.759 for you grew no having known you while you were 187 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:51.080 in the legislature, not having known about your gambling addiction. 188 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.120 But to come back and to go back to the 189 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:59.240 place where you were always welcome, I'm sure that must 190 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.840 have been a kind of kind of a day of 191 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:04.919 nervous nerves as to how you would be received. I 192 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:06.720 want to talk about that reception. I want to and 193 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.440 I want to talk about the message that you have, 194 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:12.639 and will also take some phone calls if you'd let 195 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:15.840 anyone like to join the conversation. As always, I say, 196 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.080 let's be respectful to my guests. If you want to 197 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.960 ask a tough question. That's fine, just do it respectfully. 198 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:23.440 Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, 199 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.000 nine three one ten thirty. I guess this form of 200 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:33.039 Massachusetts State Representative Dave Nangel. He he has had a 201 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.639 huge bump in the road of life, but he is 202 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:38.840 back on his feet and he feels that he still 203 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:42.279 has something to give back and he's starting well, he's 204 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:45.679 starting long before tonight, but he is. He has talked 205 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:51.039 about the issues that are very very important to him now, 206 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:55.799 and that is making sure others realize that there is 207 00:11:55.879 --> 00:12:01.440 a price to pay for doing something that you know 208 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:04.360 that cost you your problems. And when I get I 209 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:06.600 got some questions that I'm going to ask, which but 210 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.519 I'd prefer to hear questions from the audience as well. 211 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:12.399 Back on Nightside, right after this, You're. 212 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:16.919 On night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news Radio. 213 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:21.919 We're back with Foremostate Representative David Nangel. He has spent 214 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:27.399 some time in federal prison. And you were in prison. 215 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:32.120 What year did you go? Pretty much you pled guilty? 216 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:34.919 Will you did you spend most of twenty twenty in 217 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:36.720 prison or you no? 218 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.799 I reported on November first of twenty twenty one, and 219 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:44.639 there is released at the end of April and twenty 220 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:45.399 twenty two. 221 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.320 Okay, so I assume that they knew you weren't going 222 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.039 to flee. Your passport had been pulled all top. Was 223 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:54.360 it just to wait? I mean, you knew you were 224 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:55.720 going to be sentenced to something? 225 00:12:55.799 --> 00:13:00.919 I assume right, Oh, absolutely is some on. A dear 226 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:02.919 friend of mine had said to me along the way, 227 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:06.440 I was doing time, waiting to do my time. It 228 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:10.600 was that lapse. I pled guilty to the counts in 229 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:16.200 February of twenty twenty one, and I wasn't sentenced until 230 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.720 September of twenty twenty one. And I remember standing before 231 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:24.720 Judge Sobel, who sentenced me, and at that time, you know, 232 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:27.840 I told her I'd take full responsibility for my actions. 233 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.799 Whatever sentence you will pose on me, I'm ready to accept. 234 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.360 And I said to her at that time, and what 235 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:35.600 I would like to do at the end of all 236 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:38.039 of what's going to happen to me, my sentence and 237 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.000 so forth, I want to become a productive citizen. But 238 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:44.039 I said, maybe, just maybe I can help a young 239 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:46.639 high school kid or a college kid not to travel 240 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:49.600 down the road that I traveled for over forty years, 241 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:53.399 and I noticed that the judge took notice of that, 242 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:57.120 and she gave me the sentence of fifteen months, the 243 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:00.519 lower end of the recommendation, and I asked to go 244 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.360 as soon as possible at that point, and I reported 245 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.080 November first. 246 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:06.600 To get it over with. I had to be a 247 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:09.240 tough Thanksgiving and a tough Christmas, I assume. 248 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:11.039 And a birthday in the middle of it. 249 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:16.320 Happy birthday. So, so what are you physically doing at 250 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.480 this point? You've been you've been out now for at 251 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.320 least a couple of years, more than that. Actually you've 252 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.000 been out, what almost three years? 253 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:26.799 Yes? Yeah, coming upon years? 254 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:30.440 Yeah? Okay, So what do you are you speaking to 255 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:34.679 youth groups? Obviously you're doing this program tonight, which takes 256 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.720 a lot of courage. You're not being compensated in any way, 257 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:40.200 shape or form. You're doing this because this, I think 258 00:14:40.279 --> 00:14:42.639 is what you consider to be part of your responsibility. 259 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:46.879 And I appreciate that. I have you been invited to 260 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.799 high schools, to colleges. I think that we're. 261 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:54.759 No, we were in the process when it first came out. 262 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.879 Arthur Demulis from Mock to Basket was kind enough to 263 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:01.840 offer me a position that I worked at a market 264 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.840 basket up in New Hampshire for about a year and 265 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.480 a half and then at that time my passion at 266 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:10.720 that point became I said, wait a minute, I really 267 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:12.559 want to give back. I've got to find a way 268 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:15.480 to help someone else and not going down the road. 269 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:19.360 I did and I met Bob Cox from the Bridge 270 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:23.240 Club here en roll, which is a nonprofit that deals 271 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:29.519 with all substance abuses, whether it's alcohol or substance abuse, gambling, 272 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.519 overeatings and so forth. So he approached me and I 273 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:35.159 went to work down there, and in the meantime I've 274 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:40.759 become a recovery coach. And then last fall I started 275 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:43.279 working part time for the Mass Council on Gaming and 276 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:48.440 Health as a peer supporters peer specialist. And in both 277 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:51.480 of these roles, what you basically do is you speaking 278 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.840 to someone that is having an issue with their gambling. 279 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.080 But I have a lot of what they call lived experience, 280 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:02.120 twenty four years of it to be exact, and at 281 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:05.360 that point they kind of relate to you a little more, 282 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:08.600 you know, rather than maybe sitting in talking to you 283 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.159 know some i'one the therapist and I'm not knocking therapists 284 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:15.559 by any means. But what I'm saying is they relate. 285 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.360 I have found they relate to me or whoever the 286 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:21.759 recovery coach may be, or to pay supporter may be. 287 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:24.919 And I feel like, you know, in a lot of ways, 288 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:27.960 being I think I've come full circle I started. You know, 289 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:30.919 my main job in the legislature is helping people who 290 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.399 cling to me with a problem. That's what I did. 291 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:36.960 Now after all these years, I think I'm back doing 292 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:40.039 sort of the same thing. I got the help, and 293 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.759 now what I want to continue to do going forward 294 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:46.039 is helping others and yes, to get to the kids, 295 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:48.360 and I'm working with I don't want to get into 296 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:51.200 it right now, but you might be able to imagine 297 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:56.759 a university president and a city manager and we're working 298 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:59.440 on something where I would go in to the schools, 299 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.919 to the car, we'll just talk to the kids. And 300 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.960 I want to say, by the way, if from all 301 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.000 the studies and everything that I've learned so much, we 302 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:09.640 did we're talking kids starting at the age of twelve 303 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:14.000 or thirteen years old today, That's that's where it's really at. Having. 304 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:20.799 Yeah, I'm assuming that that you were gambling was primarily 305 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:25.440 on professional sports or was it college sports, pro sports, 306 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.079 horse racing? Was it a were you betting on everything? 307 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.599 And did you have a specialty that you felt you 308 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:31.799 could beat the odds? 309 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:32.400 Oh? 310 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:35.519 Professional football? And of course living in Law we were 311 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:38.759 twenty minutes from an old racetrack called Rockingham Park and 312 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:43.240 just being around it, you know, in all my younger years, 313 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.160 and so I would bet on ended. We have the 314 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:51.079 old football cads, you remember those, and so anything at all? 315 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:51.480 Yes? 316 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:53.799 And were you a better twelve months out of the 317 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.000 year or did you take a break when football ended? 318 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:00.440 Well, yeah, you know I had in my young years 319 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.440 it would end probably, But as I got into my 320 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.440 twenties and thirties, thinking bad it would be football and 321 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.920 baseball and basketball and the Hustes. Then it became the Husses. 322 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:16.240 Quite a bit of the attraction to the racing tracks. Yes. 323 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.880 And then you know, in the last ten years, with 324 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:23.039 everything on the TV and everything's so accessible and all 325 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:25.480 the phones. You know, your phone can do everything. You 326 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:28.000 can sit right in here writing your home and do it. 327 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:30.599 And as you know, as I said to it, I've 328 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.160 said publicly before. You know, someone can be sitting at 329 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:35.480 the dinner table with this spouse and two or three 330 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:40.359 kids sitting there and can be betting this month's mortgage away, 331 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:44.160 mortgage payment away. And that's the reality of what's going 332 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:46.720 on today. And I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm 333 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:49.039 against gambling. I want to make that perfectly clear. I 334 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:52.960 think that's fine. I'm just talking about those that have 335 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.559 a problem gambling, or the public health model as we 336 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:58.519 call it, responsible gaming model. 337 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:03.640 Yeah, I mean, like anything else, people, not everybody who 338 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:08.440 drinks beer, wine or even liquor is in it. There 339 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:12.359 are people who do it within reason, and there were 340 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.319 people who enjoy I guess, watching a football game on 341 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.440 Saturday and having a few dollars. But but you weren't 342 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:20.519 making bets with friends, so it wasn't like we were 343 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.279 sitting watching a football game and we're betting ten bucks 344 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:26.079 on You got the paypriots and I got the jets. 345 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:31.279 How big were your bets? What was the range that 346 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:33.119 you were normally in, and what's the biggest bet you 347 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:35.759 ever lost? And that's my last question for the news. 348 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:38.799 I have that in the throes of a den, I 349 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.079 bet one hundred or two hundred dollars on a game, 350 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:45.039 or or three hundred dollars maybe go up as much 351 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.400 as a five hundred dollars single bet probably at the end. Yeah, 352 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:51.599 and then when the casinos came around that that became 353 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:54.960 a big problem. With the proximity to Connecticut. Yeah, I 354 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:58.000 could sip down there and call them. Thought I covered 355 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:02.279 my tracks, but you know just what I was doing, 356 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:05.359 and then the addiction just got to me going down 357 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:10.960 and playing blackjack or playing slot machine. I mean, that 358 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:12.599 would be it. I think I never bet more than 359 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:16.599 five hundred dollars on a particular game, but you lose 360 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:18.960 that five hundred, then you bet another five hundred or 361 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:22.200 another three hundred. But the way it is today out there, 362 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:25.799 they you know, you can't watch a sporting event without 363 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.559 you know, all the advertisement coming on and promotions, and 364 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.400 there's all sorts of promotions for kids. And that's where 365 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:34.200 I want to go with this as I go along 366 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:37.920 and whatever time I have left, if I can educate kids, 367 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:43.559 in particular the youth about the problem gambling. 368 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:46.920 You know more than I said I said last question. 369 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:48.640 But my last question, we're going to go to phone 370 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:53.960 calls right after the break. You're right, you pay for 371 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:57.759 your for the for the convictions. You paid your price 372 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:01.400 to society. Do you ever have the urge today when 373 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:03.960 you're watching a ball game or watching a football game 374 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:05.799 and sat I wish I had some money on this 375 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:11.079 or has that impulse been completely squaw squashed? 376 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.400 Lucky from me, it's been completely squashed. I can sit here. 377 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:17.680 He's watching the Red Sox game. It was a matter 378 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:18.039 of fact. 379 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:24.200 Yeah, right from there you go. 380 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:27.960 But I can watch any sporting event. And I've always 381 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:32.440 been a die grown Patriots, Celtics, Red Sox fan, so yeah, 382 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:35.599 amazingly I can sit and watch every game and hear 383 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:38.480 and on. Ok And no, I do not. I really 384 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.359 don't have an urge at all. I never do. Thank you. 385 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:44.640 Okay, we will take a break. My guest is former 386 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:49.640 Massachusetts state Representative David Nangle, and Daved Angles spent some 387 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:55.440 time in Feu prison for there was some bank fraud, 388 00:21:55.680 --> 00:22:00.400 mortgage fraud, and some use of political campaign funds. No 389 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:06.039 public moneies we were used. He spent in effects seven 390 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:10.960 months at Fort depens. He's now out putting his life 391 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:11.599 back together. 392 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:12.440 Uh. 393 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:15.039 And my suspicion is that he's genuine that he wants 394 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:18.119 to try to help U tell other people what his 395 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:21.119 experience is and try to caution them. So this I 396 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:23.480 do consider this to be a cautionary tale. We're going 397 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.319 to go to phone calls. Those of you out there 398 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:29.240 who would be kind enough to join us, we'd appreciate 399 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:34.440 it very much. Six seven, six, one, seven, ten thirty. 400 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:36.680 I got lines open on both those numbers. Coming right 401 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:40.839