Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back everyone. It is now a little
Speaker 2: bit after nine o'clock. Thanks very much, Stan Watkins, and
Speaker 2: we have taken a break here and we're going to
Speaker 2: now go to the postion of the program where callers
Speaker 2: are invited to join the conversation, and I think we're
Speaker 2: about to have a fascinating conversation. My guest is David Nangele,
Speaker 2: former Massachusetts state representative representative. Welcome to Nightside. How are
Speaker 2: you tonight? David?
Speaker 3: I'm going to find Dan and thank you for having
Speaker 3: me on this evening.
Speaker 2: Well delighted to have you. I think people are going
Speaker 2: to be gratified to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 2: You did end up in federal prison for some matters
Speaker 2: that did not involve the u of public funds. These
Speaker 2: were your own political campaign funds, and I know that's
Speaker 2: sort of the end of the story and we will
Speaker 2: get to that. But you have a message that you
Speaker 2: want to impart to people because I think it's fair
Speaker 2: to say that all of your legal problems began as
Speaker 2: a consequence of an addiction.
Speaker 3: Fair statement, Absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: Okay, why did you explain in your own words, how
Speaker 2: you got to the point that you were serving in
Speaker 2: the legislature for twenty two years. You the assistant majority leader,
Speaker 2: You were known as the constituent service guy. You probably
Speaker 2: could have stayed and someday been speak with the House
Speaker 2: of Massachusetts. You're represented amongst other communities at different times, Lowell, Chelmsford,
Speaker 2: Tewkesbury and andover. You were very popular in your district
Speaker 2: and it all came apart kind of quickly. So give
Speaker 2: us your perspective, and then you're not backing away from
Speaker 2: You admitted, you played guilty, you served your time, You've
Speaker 2: paid your debt to society, all of which is good.
Speaker 2: But beyond that, now you're not coming back and hiding.
Speaker 2: You're putting your story out there tonight publicly, and I
Speaker 2: hope people will listen to it because I think it
Speaker 2: is one a cautionary tale, and it's also a story
Speaker 2: of someone who wants to get up off the mat
Speaker 2: and be a participant, and if not in public life,
Speaker 2: but certainly be a participant publicly in the cormwealth of Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Be a person who walks with his head up, go
Speaker 2: right ahead.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Dan for the opportunity to speak this evening,
Speaker 3: and I'm glad that you have me on here tonight,
Speaker 3: and I'll tell my story and a little bit about
Speaker 3: where I am today and what I'm looking to do,
Speaker 3: and hopefully they can help some individuals. So, as I said,
Speaker 3: I was a kid, probably thirteen fourteen years old when
Speaker 3: UH started betting with football cards and playing a game
Speaker 3: of CODs called forty five. Then it led to betting
Speaker 3: with the local bookies at the age of sixteen seventeen,
Speaker 3: eighteen years old. Coming from the city of old there
Speaker 3: were a lot of bookies at the time. I might
Speaker 3: rat and it just got ahead of me. You know,
Speaker 3: I was seventeen years old and I owed a bookie
Speaker 3: eight hundred dollars. I was working in my uncle sub
Speaker 3: shop making probably two dollars and twenty cents an hour
Speaker 3: at the time, So that was.
Speaker 2: A lot of stubs to pay off that debt. How
Speaker 2: did you get in so deep so quickly that.
Speaker 3: I really don't know, Dan, I really don't I guess
Speaker 3: I was chasing my losses at that point in time.
Speaker 3: I have to think back, you know, that's forty seven
Speaker 3: years ago, and so we just got ahead of me.
Speaker 3: And then through a friend and a friend. I was
Speaker 3: able to get bailed out, as we say, and it
Speaker 3: was probably a good thing at the time, but unfortunately
Speaker 3: it wasn't a good thing at forty four years later
Speaker 3: with the outcome of what happened to me. So I
Speaker 3: was able to get out of that situation. But the
Speaker 3: game went continued as I continued into my twenties until
Speaker 3: my mid twenties, I got married, and you know, at
Speaker 3: that point, the game we kept going on and on,
Speaker 3: and I hit it from everybody, hit it from my siblings,
Speaker 3: from my closest friends, from other people. Some of them
Speaker 3: may have known, maybe they didn't know, but I hit it.
Speaker 3: I thought I did anyways, So at that point I'm
Speaker 3: going along and I ended up costing me my marriage.
Speaker 3: And that's what bothers me the most is the fact
Speaker 3: of what I've done to my family, to my daughter
Speaker 3: in particular, the embarrassment is shame that she went through
Speaker 3: at the same time that I did. But my family
Speaker 3: is just unbelievable. I have the best family in the world,
Speaker 3: and they all supported me throughout the darkest time of
Speaker 3: my life. My close friend were there for me as well,
Speaker 3: and it all came crashing down on February twentieth of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, when I had eleven agents, if you will
Speaker 3: come to retrieve me out of my house and take
Speaker 3: me down to the Mocley Courthouse Federal courthouse in Boston,
Speaker 3: and ruined me that day, charged me with a whole
Speaker 3: host of different charges, misuse of campaign dollars, some tax issues,
Speaker 3: some alleged bank fraud, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: So I'll never forget coming out of there that day,
Speaker 3: and you being a former news reporter on the street,
Speaker 3: then you know, we walked out into a sea of reporters.
Speaker 2: And was not one of them. I was not one
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: No, No, not that, not that day. I know that.
Speaker 3: But you know the humiliation that I brought upon myself,
Speaker 3: but more importantly to me personally, the humiliation I brought
Speaker 3: upon to my family.
Speaker 2: I would just ask you questions. Just wanted to ask
Speaker 2: a couple a question here. So you had a problem
Speaker 2: when you're young. In the meantime, you get elected to
Speaker 2: the State House of Representatives and you're working a way
Speaker 2: up to the leadership rank, sure the assistant majority leader.
Speaker 2: You were on a path to become eventually Speaker of
Speaker 2: the House. I think that most people would have assumed
Speaker 2: that in that period from the time when you first
Speaker 2: got addicted to it, that covers a span of like
Speaker 2: forty years, there must have been before forty four years.
Speaker 2: There must have been some days during that time you
Speaker 2: weren't losing every bet. I'm sure that you must have
Speaker 2: had some days that you won and you probably said, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, this isn't so bad after all, but you
Speaker 2: were still hurtling toward that cliff. Is that an accurate
Speaker 2: metaphorical characterization.
Speaker 3: That's very accurate.
Speaker 4: Dan.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, any problem gambler will tell
Speaker 3: you the worst thing that can happen is having a
Speaker 3: big win, because once you have a big win, you
Speaker 3: go back, you think you're invincible and you're going to
Speaker 3: always win. That's the worst thing that can happen to
Speaker 3: a gambling individual that has a gambling problem. So yes,
Speaker 3: I served for twenty two years. I represented Bowl and
Speaker 3: some surrounding towns. I moved up in leadership. I appreciate
Speaker 3: that comment, but I don't think I ever would have
Speaker 3: been speaker. But I thoroughly enjoyed it twenty two years
Speaker 3: with just helping people. As you mentioned earlier, I was
Speaker 3: the constituent service representative known for that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: But yes, from my colleagues, hit it from anybody, so
Speaker 3: I thought maybe some new some have told me they
Speaker 3: sensed it. Since everything to be But yeah, I had
Speaker 3: a great career. I mean, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: I lost my career, I lost my reputation. I was
Speaker 3: lili needed all because of a gambling addiction. I paid
Speaker 3: the price varmit daily.
Speaker 2: You pled guilty. There wasn't a trial in the classic
Speaker 2: sense of a trial. You pled out. You were sentenced
Speaker 2: to fifteen months. Again, this was all happening in the
Speaker 2: context of the arrival of COVID, just to kind of
Speaker 2: put it in some perspective. And you spent some time,
Speaker 2: especially difficult time when they were concerned about the spread
Speaker 2: of COVID, up at the Fort Devons prison where you
Speaker 2: served your time, and actually COVID got you out of
Speaker 2: You completed your sentence a little earlier as a result
Speaker 2: of COVID. Ironically one of the few people that maybe
Speaker 2: had to believe it or not a benefit from COVID.
Speaker 2: So you came home and in the time you were away,
Speaker 2: the world that you knew in the world you represented
Speaker 2: had changed dramatic.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, what absolutely.
Speaker 2: What hit you the most when when you finally you know,
Speaker 2: walked to freedom. I mean you you weren't busting rocks
Speaker 2: and you know, on a chain gang, you a white
Speaker 2: collar sort of prison circumstance, but you're still in prison.
Speaker 2: It's no fun.
Speaker 3: No, I don't care where you go. If you go
Speaker 3: to prison, if you're incarcerated at any time, it's not fun.
Speaker 3: Once that door closes, you know, you lose your freedom
Speaker 3: and most importantly, contact with your loved ones. But you do.
Speaker 3: You did what you had to do there. You know
Speaker 3: it was I worked every day, I truthfully didned. I
Speaker 3: was in an office's quarters. I was cleaning the bathrooms
Speaker 3: and mopping the floors and empty and waste baskets. I
Speaker 3: was very humble, and during the time there, it was
Speaker 3: very difficult to be away from my loved ones. That
Speaker 3: was the most important thing that bought to me. I
Speaker 3: was just as concerned about them as they were about me.
Speaker 3: But we got through it. And like I say, it
Speaker 3: was faith, family and friends that got me through that
Speaker 3: most difficult time in my life. And I have to
Speaker 3: say it was my faith that tould me through. I
Speaker 3: have a dear friend up here in Rowland. I will
Speaker 3: say his name, A great guy from a state Senator,
Speaker 3: Steve Panjatakas. And the day before I had to report,
Speaker 3: I always remember him. He put his hands on my
Speaker 3: shoulders and said, don't lose your faith, and I didn't, okay,
Speaker 3: And that's two of the most difficult time.
Speaker 2: When we come back, I got to take a break.
Speaker 2: We come back, I want to talk about what is
Speaker 2: your message. I know you were at the State House
Speaker 2: sort an ironic return. It was late March. If I'm
Speaker 2: not mistaken when I read the story, and my respect
Speaker 2: for you grew no having known you while you were
Speaker 2: in the legislature, not having known about your gambling addiction.
Speaker 2: But to come back and to go back to the
Speaker 2: place where you were always welcome, I'm sure that must
Speaker 2: have been a kind of kind of a day of
Speaker 2: nervous nerves as to how you would be received. I
Speaker 2: want to talk about that reception. I want to and
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the message that you have,
Speaker 2: and will also take some phone calls if you'd let
Speaker 2: anyone like to join the conversation. As always, I say,
Speaker 2: let's be respectful to my guests. If you want to
Speaker 2: ask a tough question. That's fine, just do it respectfully.
Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty. I guess this form of
Speaker 2: Massachusetts State Representative Dave Nangel. He he has had a
Speaker 2: huge bump in the road of life, but he is
Speaker 2: back on his feet and he feels that he still
Speaker 2: has something to give back and he's starting well, he's
Speaker 2: starting long before tonight, but he is. He has talked
Speaker 2: about the issues that are very very important to him now,
Speaker 2: and that is making sure others realize that there is
Speaker 2: a price to pay for doing something that you know
Speaker 2: that cost you your problems. And when I get I
Speaker 2: got some questions that I'm going to ask, which but
Speaker 2: I'd prefer to hear questions from the audience as well.
Speaker 2: Back on Nightside, right after this, You're.
Speaker 1: On night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: We're back with Foremostate Representative David Nangel. He has spent
Speaker 2: some time in federal prison. And you were in prison.
Speaker 2: What year did you go? Pretty much you pled guilty?
Speaker 2: Will you did you spend most of twenty twenty in
Speaker 2: prison or you no?
Speaker 3: I reported on November first of twenty twenty one, and
Speaker 3: there is released at the end of April and twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I assume that they knew you weren't going
Speaker 2: to flee. Your passport had been pulled all top. Was
Speaker 2: it just to wait? I mean, you knew you were
Speaker 2: going to be sentenced to something?
Speaker 3: I assume right, Oh, absolutely is some on. A dear
Speaker 3: friend of mine had said to me along the way,
Speaker 3: I was doing time, waiting to do my time. It
Speaker 3: was that lapse. I pled guilty to the counts in
Speaker 3: February of twenty twenty one, and I wasn't sentenced until
Speaker 3: September of twenty twenty one. And I remember standing before
Speaker 3: Judge Sobel, who sentenced me, and at that time, you know,
Speaker 3: I told her I'd take full responsibility for my actions.
Speaker 3: Whatever sentence you will pose on me, I'm ready to accept.
Speaker 3: And I said to her at that time, and what
Speaker 3: I would like to do at the end of all
Speaker 3: of what's going to happen to me, my sentence and
Speaker 3: so forth, I want to become a productive citizen. But
Speaker 3: I said, maybe, just maybe I can help a young
Speaker 3: high school kid or a college kid not to travel
Speaker 3: down the road that I traveled for over forty years,
Speaker 3: and I noticed that the judge took notice of that,
Speaker 3: and she gave me the sentence of fifteen months, the
Speaker 3: lower end of the recommendation, and I asked to go
Speaker 3: as soon as possible at that point, and I reported
Speaker 3: November first.
Speaker 2: To get it over with. I had to be a
Speaker 2: tough Thanksgiving and a tough Christmas, I assume.
Speaker 3: And a birthday in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: Happy birthday. So, so what are you physically doing at
Speaker 2: this point? You've been you've been out now for at
Speaker 2: least a couple of years, more than that. Actually you've
Speaker 2: been out, what almost three years?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, coming upon years?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, So what do you are you speaking to
Speaker 2: youth groups? Obviously you're doing this program tonight, which takes
Speaker 2: a lot of courage. You're not being compensated in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form. You're doing this because this, I think
Speaker 2: is what you consider to be part of your responsibility.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate that. I have you been invited to
Speaker 2: high schools, to colleges. I think that we're.
Speaker 3: No, we were in the process when it first came out.
Speaker 3: Arthur Demulis from Mock to Basket was kind enough to
Speaker 3: offer me a position that I worked at a market
Speaker 3: basket up in New Hampshire for about a year and
Speaker 3: a half and then at that time my passion at
Speaker 3: that point became I said, wait a minute, I really
Speaker 3: want to give back. I've got to find a way
Speaker 3: to help someone else and not going down the road.
Speaker 3: I did and I met Bob Cox from the Bridge
Speaker 3: Club here en roll, which is a nonprofit that deals
Speaker 3: with all substance abuses, whether it's alcohol or substance abuse, gambling,
Speaker 3: overeatings and so forth. So he approached me and I
Speaker 3: went to work down there, and in the meantime I've
Speaker 3: become a recovery coach. And then last fall I started
Speaker 3: working part time for the Mass Council on Gaming and
Speaker 3: Health as a peer supporters peer specialist. And in both
Speaker 3: of these roles, what you basically do is you speaking
Speaker 3: to someone that is having an issue with their gambling.
Speaker 3: But I have a lot of what they call lived experience,
Speaker 3: twenty four years of it to be exact, and at
Speaker 3: that point they kind of relate to you a little more,
Speaker 3: you know, rather than maybe sitting in talking to you
Speaker 3: know some i'one the therapist and I'm not knocking therapists
Speaker 3: by any means. But what I'm saying is they relate.
Speaker 3: I have found they relate to me or whoever the
Speaker 3: recovery coach may be, or to pay supporter may be.
Speaker 3: And I feel like, you know, in a lot of ways,
Speaker 3: being I think I've come full circle I started. You know,
Speaker 3: my main job in the legislature is helping people who
Speaker 3: cling to me with a problem. That's what I did.
Speaker 3: Now after all these years, I think I'm back doing
Speaker 3: sort of the same thing. I got the help, and
Speaker 3: now what I want to continue to do going forward
Speaker 3: is helping others and yes, to get to the kids,
Speaker 3: and I'm working with I don't want to get into
Speaker 3: it right now, but you might be able to imagine
Speaker 3: a university president and a city manager and we're working
Speaker 3: on something where I would go in to the schools,
Speaker 3: to the car, we'll just talk to the kids. And
Speaker 3: I want to say, by the way, if from all
Speaker 3: the studies and everything that I've learned so much, we
Speaker 3: did we're talking kids starting at the age of twelve
Speaker 3: or thirteen years old today, That's that's where it's really at. Having.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm assuming that that you were gambling was primarily
Speaker 2: on professional sports or was it college sports, pro sports,
Speaker 2: horse racing? Was it a were you betting on everything?
Speaker 2: And did you have a specialty that you felt you
Speaker 2: could beat the odds?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Professional football? And of course living in Law we were
Speaker 3: twenty minutes from an old racetrack called Rockingham Park and
Speaker 3: just being around it, you know, in all my younger years,
Speaker 3: and so I would bet on ended. We have the
Speaker 3: old football cads, you remember those, and so anything at all?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: And were you a better twelve months out of the
Speaker 2: year or did you take a break when football ended?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know I had in my young years
Speaker 3: it would end probably, But as I got into my
Speaker 3: twenties and thirties, thinking bad it would be football and
Speaker 3: baseball and basketball and the Hustes. Then it became the Husses.
Speaker 3: Quite a bit of the attraction to the racing tracks. Yes.
Speaker 3: And then you know, in the last ten years, with
Speaker 3: everything on the TV and everything's so accessible and all
Speaker 3: the phones. You know, your phone can do everything. You
Speaker 3: can sit right in here writing your home and do it.
Speaker 3: And as you know, as I said to it, I've
Speaker 3: said publicly before. You know, someone can be sitting at
Speaker 3: the dinner table with this spouse and two or three
Speaker 3: kids sitting there and can be betting this month's mortgage away,
Speaker 3: mortgage payment away. And that's the reality of what's going
Speaker 3: on today. And I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 3: against gambling. I want to make that perfectly clear. I
Speaker 3: think that's fine. I'm just talking about those that have
Speaker 3: a problem gambling, or the public health model as we
Speaker 3: call it, responsible gaming model.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like anything else, people, not everybody who
Speaker 2: drinks beer, wine or even liquor is in it. There
Speaker 2: are people who do it within reason, and there were
Speaker 2: people who enjoy I guess, watching a football game on
Speaker 2: Saturday and having a few dollars. But but you weren't
Speaker 2: making bets with friends, so it wasn't like we were
Speaker 2: sitting watching a football game and we're betting ten bucks
Speaker 2: on You got the paypriots and I got the jets.
Speaker 2: How big were your bets? What was the range that
Speaker 2: you were normally in, and what's the biggest bet you
Speaker 2: ever lost? And that's my last question for the news.
Speaker 3: I have that in the throes of a den, I
Speaker 3: bet one hundred or two hundred dollars on a game,
Speaker 3: or or three hundred dollars maybe go up as much
Speaker 3: as a five hundred dollars single bet probably at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then when the casinos came around that that became
Speaker 3: a big problem. With the proximity to Connecticut. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: could sip down there and call them. Thought I covered
Speaker 3: my tracks, but you know just what I was doing,
Speaker 3: and then the addiction just got to me going down
Speaker 3: and playing blackjack or playing slot machine. I mean, that
Speaker 3: would be it. I think I never bet more than
Speaker 3: five hundred dollars on a particular game, but you lose
Speaker 3: that five hundred, then you bet another five hundred or
Speaker 3: another three hundred. But the way it is today out there,
Speaker 3: they you know, you can't watch a sporting event without
Speaker 3: you know, all the advertisement coming on and promotions, and
Speaker 3: there's all sorts of promotions for kids. And that's where
Speaker 3: I want to go with this as I go along
Speaker 3: and whatever time I have left, if I can educate kids,
Speaker 3: in particular the youth about the problem gambling.
Speaker 2: You know more than I said I said last question.
Speaker 2: But my last question, we're going to go to phone
Speaker 2: calls right after the break. You're right, you pay for
Speaker 2: your for the for the convictions. You paid your price
Speaker 2: to society. Do you ever have the urge today when
Speaker 2: you're watching a ball game or watching a football game
Speaker 2: and sat I wish I had some money on this
Speaker 2: or has that impulse been completely squaw squashed?
Speaker 3: Lucky from me, it's been completely squashed. I can sit here.
Speaker 3: He's watching the Red Sox game. It was a matter
Speaker 3: of fact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right from there you go.
Speaker 3: But I can watch any sporting event. And I've always
Speaker 3: been a die grown Patriots, Celtics, Red Sox fan, so yeah,
Speaker 3: amazingly I can sit and watch every game and hear
Speaker 3: and on. Ok And no, I do not. I really
Speaker 3: don't have an urge at all. I never do. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Okay, we will take a break. My guest is former
Speaker 2: Massachusetts state Representative David Nangle, and Daved Angles spent some
Speaker 2: time in Feu prison for there was some bank fraud,
Speaker 2: mortgage fraud, and some use of political campaign funds. No
Speaker 2: public moneies we were used. He spent in effects seven
Speaker 2: months at Fort depens. He's now out putting his life
Speaker 2: back together.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And my suspicion is that he's genuine that he wants
Speaker 2: to try to help U tell other people what his
Speaker 2: experience is and try to caution them. So this I
Speaker 2: do consider this to be a cautionary tale. We're going
Speaker 2: to go to phone calls. Those of you out there
Speaker 2: who would be kind enough to join us, we'd appreciate
Speaker 2: it very much. Six seven, six, one, seven, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: I got lines open on both those numbers. Coming right
Speaker 2: back on night Side. Phone calls, your comments, I hope
Speaker 2: they're positive, but you can ask any question you want
Speaker 2: back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Right after this, you're on night Side with Dan Ray
Speaker 1: on WZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: My guest, former state Representative David Nangel. The indictment that
Speaker 2: he pled guilty to was a federal indictment that said
Speaker 2: that he illicitly used campaign funds to, among other things,
Speaker 2: pay for personal expenses, to fraud his bank lender, and
Speaker 2: collect income that he failed to report to the Internal
Speaker 2: Revenue Service. Pled guilty to those Again emphasize, he's a politician,
Speaker 2: I'm black, member of the legislature. Never mixed public moneys
Speaker 2: with what he was convicted for. So let's go to
Speaker 2: the phones. We're going to start it off with Dennis
Speaker 2: in Lowell. Dennis, you've held on a while. Thanks very much.
Speaker 2: You were first this hour a night side with formustate Rep.
Speaker 2: David Nangle. Go right ahead, Dennis, yep.
Speaker 6: Good evening, Dan, and good evening David. Dennis Canty calling,
Speaker 6: I go way back with David, and I like to
Speaker 6: personally a test that to me, David Nangle is that
Speaker 6: fine person individually and always will be. I've known David
Speaker 6: since he was a little kid and his family and
Speaker 6: always tried to help people. Unfortunately he did not help
Speaker 6: himself until it was too late. But right now, immiate
Speaker 6: that I appreciate those kind words. And the truth of
Speaker 6: the matter was we helped people a lot, Dennis, as
Speaker 6: when I served as representative. And the truth of the
Speaker 6: matter is I needed to help.
Speaker 3: I have got it, and now I want to pay
Speaker 3: it forward, so to speak, and help someone else who's
Speaker 3: struggling with any addiction. At this point, thank you Dennis
Speaker 3: for the kind words.
Speaker 6: Well, it's true. I just you know, I wouldn't say
Speaker 6: them unless they're true. And Dan knows me, he knows
Speaker 6: I speak. You know the truth from what I see
Speaker 6: in here's.
Speaker 2: A straight shooter, David. If you get Dennis, Dennis has
Speaker 2: your back. You you covered. Thank you, Dennis, appreciate you
Speaker 2: taking time to call. And it's a tough spot that
Speaker 2: he found himself in, and he's paid the price to
Speaker 2: society and now he's trying to, I think, give back.
Speaker 2: And I'm hoping some people tonight they might be listening
Speaker 2: carefully to him and recognizing maybe that some of the
Speaker 2: pitfalls that that he faced facing some other people and
Speaker 2: they listened to his guidance and his advice and David,
Speaker 2: maybe later tonight if you want, if there's anybody that
Speaker 2: is up in your neck of the woods and feels
Speaker 2: they want to talk to you, is there a way
Speaker 2: in which people can reach you, either to you know,
Speaker 2: pat you on the back, or seek your guidance. Are
Speaker 2: you fairly public at this point?
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't mind giving out my cell phone, Dan,
Speaker 3: I really don't. I know it sounds crazy, but I'm
Speaker 3: an open book and if i'm.
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll do. I will have you during the
Speaker 2: next break. I will have Rob take your cell phone number,
Speaker 2: and anyone feels that they'd like to reach you. I
Speaker 2: don't want to put it out publicly because you got
Speaker 2: to have anybody listening halfway anywhere around the world. But
Speaker 2: Rob will be able to give that to people who
Speaker 2: have a concern. Okay, thanks Dennis for We'll talk soon.
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks buddy, Okay, bye, bye, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Next, let's stay in Lowell. We're going to go to
Speaker 2: Raymond and Lowell. Raymond, you're next night's side with former
Speaker 2: state representative David Nangele Go right ahead, Raymond, Hey.
Speaker 3: Dan, Hey, Dave, Hello Raymond.
Speaker 2: Can you hear me perfectly?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 7: Okay, I just wanted to let you know I Dave
Speaker 7: representative the city along with one of my other friends
Speaker 7: name was tom Golden. Now he's gone.
Speaker 8: It's at the manager's office. And we really really miss
Speaker 8: the representation that David and Tommy both both gave us
Speaker 8: while they were while they were here, and I want
Speaker 8: to I just want to thank you Dave and and
Speaker 8: and when you say that you've come full circle, I
Speaker 8: just hope that there's another running in office for yeah,
Speaker 8: because we really need you back. Buddy.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Raymond, thanks for those kind words. And
Speaker 3: while Tommy's a dear friend and he's the city manager
Speaker 3: now up here doing a terrific job, and and we
Speaker 3: enjoyed our time together, and what we both tried to
Speaker 3: do together was do what was best for the city
Speaker 3: of Lowell in our district. So thank you, Raymond, and hey,
Speaker 3: you never know, you never know what the hold. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I think that the response he gets tonight, if it's
Speaker 2: similar to what you have to say, and Dennis has
Speaker 2: to say, uh, it might, it might plan to see
Speaker 2: it in his mind. You just never know. And I
Speaker 2: also think that uh that did we Americans and people
Speaker 2: love a comeback story. They love the guy that is
Speaker 2: injured on the field of play and maybe has to,
Speaker 2: you know, get an operation on his a picture with
Speaker 2: who has Tommy John surgery and that guy's able to
Speaker 2: come back. People recognize and respect perseverance, so I'm not
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised either. Raymond, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for your call and your support for for Dave.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Have a great night. Good Let me get one more
Speaker 2: in here before the break. I'm going to go to
Speaker 2: Burlington nearby. Dan is in Burlington, Daniel, next time, nic
Speaker 2: side will get you in here before the break, right ahead? Dan?
Speaker 4: All right? Thanks because I don't have much to say,
Speaker 4: but I have some concerns and you've been down the road,
Speaker 4: so maybe you can address it. Dave. This whole fan
Speaker 4: duel and lottery on your phone. They just it just
Speaker 4: made it so easy now and maybe that doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: You know, back in my day you had to get
Speaker 4: down to the gas station and see the bookie. But
Speaker 4: correct do you. I don't know how to word it,
Speaker 4: but is anybody lobbying against this stuff? Or how do
Speaker 4: you feel about it being so easy now?
Speaker 3: Well? I think, let's face it, the gambling is here
Speaker 3: to stay. There's no doubt about it. That can change
Speaker 3: things in the revenue that comes in from it. All
Speaker 3: the states enjoy that and it goes to different things.
Speaker 3: So what I'd like to do is what we call
Speaker 3: a like a better approach is the public health model
Speaker 3: responsible doing. And that's what like a Senator John Keenan
Speaker 3: and a Representative Carol Fiola and a Representative Adam Scanlan
Speaker 3: all have different bills to make it more responsible and
Speaker 3: help the individuals. Maybe what I'd like to say is
Speaker 3: before they suffer a substantial hob okay, the public health model,
Speaker 3: I guess the analogy to that would be it's better
Speaker 3: to put a godrail at the top of a cliff
Speaker 3: than the station an ambulance in the valley. And that's
Speaker 3: what we need to do we need to put some
Speaker 3: precautions there godrail so to speak, that can maybe educate
Speaker 3: individuals early on as the dangers of what's going on.
Speaker 3: And you are correct, it's all over the place, but
Speaker 3: it's here to stay. So I just think we need
Speaker 3: to do a better job at educating people about it,
Speaker 3: particularly the kids, and going forward and doing what we
Speaker 3: can to help someone before they suffer substantial harm.
Speaker 2: I think the analogy to package stores. I mean, there
Speaker 2: was a period one hundred years ago when we would
Speaker 2: have been I think it would have was prohibition was
Speaker 2: in effect here in Massachusetts and the public had a thirst,
Speaker 2: if you will, pardon the pun for alcohol. And alcohol
Speaker 2: is now legal, and there are people who who over
Speaker 2: indulge in and but I don't think that it's going
Speaker 2: to alcohol is going to be eliminated anytime soon in
Speaker 2: our society, and I don't think gambling is going to
Speaker 2: be eliminated in our society either. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: we now have pot shops available, and they're talking about
Speaker 2: some of the psychedelic drugs mushrooms. That's probably gonna be
Speaker 2: the next item on the on the agenda, And I
Speaker 2: think we need to be as David, suggesting and proactive
Speaker 2: as opposed to reactive and anticipate problems and have things
Speaker 2: in place to help people who either over indulge or
Speaker 2: get lost in a dream that probably is is is
Speaker 2: not reality anyway, if if you get the drift up
Speaker 2: trying to a point of trying to make Dan, you
Speaker 2: raise great, great questions. Thank you, Dan, I appreciate it
Speaker 2: your call.
Speaker 4: Thank you, good night.
Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna take quick break six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty six, seven, nine, three, ten thirty. I can
Speaker 2: get a couple more calls in feel free coming right
Speaker 2: back on the night side. My guests former Massachusetts state
Speaker 2: Representative David Nagel and David, I think you would have
Speaker 2: been speaker. I don't know what the inside process is
Speaker 2: up there, but you know you were forty or so
Speaker 2: years into your uh, your time in politics. You are
Speaker 2: the assistant majority leader. Heyt But go to that quick break.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, but I never saw that in the future.
Speaker 3: But I do want to say that the men and
Speaker 3: women that servant on Beacon Hill, that I served with,
Speaker 3: that served today, they are good people. They genuinely uh.
Speaker 3: And when I went back in there a month ago.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know what the reception was going
Speaker 3: to be. I had a relative with me, and it
Speaker 3: was just overwhelming. I mean from staff members coming up
Speaker 3: to me in the hallway and former members knowing I
Speaker 3: was in the building and embracing me and showing the
Speaker 3: love and support. They are wonderful, wonderful individuals that serve
Speaker 3: as state reps and state senators.
Speaker 2: All right, on that positive note, we'll take a quick
Speaker 2: break right back on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: You're listening to former state represented David n Angele coming
Speaker 2: back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on w B Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're running out of time, but we have a
Speaker 2: bunch of let's try to get someone in as in
Speaker 2: as man has been as possible, as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2: Eleanor in drake it Eleanor. You're next with Wloma State
Speaker 2: Representative David nangle Go righthead, Eleanor.
Speaker 5: Hi, Dan, great show. Dave. A quick question before my comment.
Speaker 5: Seems like you were in prison for a long time
Speaker 5: when you compare it to other things people are doing.
Speaker 5: But when you get out, you want probation or parole
Speaker 5: or anything too.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was. I was on house arrest for six months,
Speaker 3: which carried me into that November of twenty two, and
Speaker 3: then I was on probation until November of twenty four. Yes,
Speaker 3: I was wow a long time. It was a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I gave you a lot of excuse me,
Speaker 5: a lot of credit us speaking out about this. I'm
Speaker 5: sure it's not easy. And you know when you say
Speaker 5: that kids twelve and thirteen years old are doing it,
Speaker 5: then you can see that's pretty scary. As Dan says,
Speaker 5: responsible betting is one thing, but when it leads to
Speaker 5: an ad that that's a real problem. So thanks for
Speaker 5: all that you're doing to help people.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you very much. A great call, appreciated
Speaker 2: a whole lot.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Let me get down to the cape. Down the Cape
Speaker 2: Ted is in Harwich. You can drop Ellen's call for
Speaker 2: me there, please, Rob, I don't want to combine. Here
Speaker 2: we go, Let's go to Ted and Harwich Ted a
Speaker 2: little tight on time.
Speaker 9: Go right ahead, Hi Dan, Hey, this is a terrific topic.
Speaker 9: Thank you very much for bringing this to everybody's attention.
Speaker 9: Mister Nangel. I have nothing but respect for you, everything
Speaker 9: that you went through to be willing to come on
Speaker 9: the radio and explain this to people, and you know,
Speaker 9: try to help other people. I want to thank you
Speaker 9: for that. I have a question. A friend of mine
Speaker 9: down here teachers in high school. He's been telling me
Speaker 9: lately that it's not uncommon for kids to be sitting
Speaker 9: in class or in study halls on there iPhone. Now
Speaker 9: you know, I've got them on their lapp, but they're
Speaker 9: on their iPhone betting on sports events all over the
Speaker 9: world in the middle of the school day. You know
Speaker 9: how big a problem is it, and and you know
Speaker 9: what can be done about that? And if it's all
Speaker 9: right with you, Dan, I'll hang up and listen to the.
Speaker 3: K Thanks for the kind words. Yes, I've spoken to
Speaker 3: high school principles. I've spoken to Chris Heron. You might
Speaker 3: recognize his name, Dan, who goes.
Speaker 2: I've had Chris and the show from an NBA player.
Speaker 3: I've met with him and about a year and a
Speaker 3: half ago I met with him and he said, when
Speaker 3: he goes into these schools now to talk about substance
Speaker 3: abuse the principles, the head masses are grabbing him and saying,
Speaker 3: you're not going to believe this. I got freshman sophomore
Speaker 3: juniors and so forth, all on their phones all day long,
Speaker 3: betting pong and China whatever is going on across the world.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. So to answer that question, tich, I don't
Speaker 3: have the answers by Senator Keenan. If we get something
Speaker 3: there where we can educate these kids, that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 3: Education is the biggest component. I think the Attorney General
Speaker 3: Campbell is putting together a curriculum with the mass console
Speaker 3: and gaming and health, and they're going to start going
Speaker 3: into these high schools freshman years and start talking to
Speaker 3: the kids and explain it to them. What can happen?
Speaker 7: Don It's great.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Chris Herron wrote the book Basketball Junkie.
Speaker 2: I had this in studio. It's got to be now
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago. What a fabulous recovery Chris Herron has made. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Let me get at least one more in here. We
Speaker 2: take him in order, Tom and Melrose. Tom, Tom, you
Speaker 2: are next on night Side with State Representative David Nangle.
Speaker 2: Right ahead, form of state Representative, Go ahead, Tom.
Speaker 10: Hey, thanks so much for taking my call. Hey, Dave,
Speaker 10: I just wanted to say I know, you know, I
Speaker 10: know Dave and I know the great work that he
Speaker 10: did in the state legislature for a number of years,
Speaker 10: and and I you know, I know what he's been through,
Speaker 10: and I have nothing but the ultimate respect for how
Speaker 10: he's giving back to his community. He always did give
Speaker 10: to his community, and now he's expanding that a little
Speaker 10: bit throughout the Commonwealth. So Dave, I give you great
Speaker 10: kudos for that.
Speaker 3: I missed the beginning of this, Dan, is this how
Speaker 3: Tom is it? It is Tom terrific, a great guy,
Speaker 3: and I thank you for that, Tom, And then I
Speaker 3: got cut off a thirty seconds, But I have to
Speaker 3: be transparent about it. Tom worked with me in a
Speaker 3: group for a number of years and Tom was is
Speaker 3: a great person and he saw a day in and
Speaker 3: day out what we did on a regular basis helping constituents.
Speaker 3: And Tom has been a supportive, good friend. And I
Speaker 3: thank you and I'm going to continue doing the good
Speaker 3: work Tom as I go forward. And thank you for
Speaker 3: the phone call.
Speaker 10: Oh absolutely, I know what daves. Every time you know
Speaker 10: constitionent called Dave was the first person there, So you
Speaker 10: know that's a that's testament to your days. And thanks
Speaker 10: so much for giving this this really informative program before.
Speaker 2: All right, I appreciate thank you more in here real quickly.
Speaker 2: Thanks Tom, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you Tom.
Speaker 2: Rachel. I got about twenty seconds. You called late, say
Speaker 2: something and then we'll bid you ado. Go right ahead,
Speaker 2: and if Rachel's not there, no problem, Rachel, hie. Rachel,
Speaker 2: I got fifteen seconds, go.
Speaker 5: Ahead, okay, fifteen seconds one.
Speaker 11: I am so proud of you for what you've come through.
Speaker 11: My question is when you were in the realms of
Speaker 11: your addiction and you were a powerful man, did anybody
Speaker 11: in your family try to convince you to try to
Speaker 11: get help and you didn't because of your position?
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: I think he said that he hid it from the family. Rachel. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: fifteen seconds says long since a lap, So I got
Speaker 2: to let you go. But David, am I correct? You
Speaker 2: hit it from your family pretty well?
Speaker 3: Yes, I did, absolutely, I did it, and I did
Speaker 3: that all of myself. I was the victim. I hurt myself.
Speaker 3: I embarrassed my family, but I hurt myself and Dan.
Speaker 3: I know what cut time. But if I can just
Speaker 3: finish with this, thank you, I want to let people
Speaker 3: out there know who have an alcohol issue or substance
Speaker 3: abuse issue or gambling issue, whatever it may be, whatever
Speaker 3: that addiction is, that there is hope and there are
Speaker 3: resources and they can help you. And I am proof
Speaker 3: of that. I'm living proof of that and going forward.
Speaker 3: If I can help one individual and I feel I'm
Speaker 3: doing something good with the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much. If Rob has your cell
Speaker 2: phone number, stay in the line, make sure he has it,
Speaker 2: and if anyone wants to contact you directly, Rob will
Speaker 2: make that cell phone number available. We'll have the lines
Speaker 2: open for the next few minutes. We're going to go
Speaker 2: to the car, guys, right after the ten o'clock news,
Speaker 2: Dave and Angle a profile and courage, real courage. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much. You should get a nomination for that
Speaker 2: for the Kennedy Library.
Speaker 3: Thank you for allowing me on tonight. Thank you for
Speaker 3: being here.
Speaker 2: We'll be back right after the ten o'clock news. And
Speaker 2: make sure Robbie get his number up. Okay, there it goes.
Speaker 2: Talk to you later, guys. Okay, we'll be back right
Speaker 2: after the ten