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Speaker 3: This is Hello week, This is Hello. If you're gonna
sing Halloween, Halloween, dude, gotta come from.
Speaker 1: The Halloween this Halloween. Like, come on, man, I.
Speaker 3: Know, leave it to the musical theater. It's gotta come
from deep within. I get it. We put on I
can't be talking. I'm ashimmed in that, so I it.
Speaker 1: You know. It's a great high school memory of mine. Uh.
While all the people, a lot of people are wasting
their time like chasing girls and going to parties, me
and several of my friends put on a street performance
of The Night Mary before Christmas. It ran from October
twentieth to December twenty fourth. It did really got great reviews.
Speaker 3: What the voice you hear, of course, is brob Fox.
I'm damn Jester. We're joined special guest Jesse Wiseman is
the Halloween Bonus episode because we forgot to have Jesse on.
Speaker 4: Hey, listen, you've got to trying to get this.
Speaker 3: You gotta just figure out how you want it.
Speaker 4: I just need to figure out how I want reference
it really is, because I feel like sorry, Also.
Speaker 1: You look straight on what that looks good? This? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, So one of us, uh, I guess believes in Halloween.
One of us, yeah right, one of us gets the idea.
Speaker 1: Now, who are you today?
Speaker 4: Here's the thing do I say? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's a there's a deep cut joke. If
you've I'm not even gonna allude to it at all,
right because I can't because one allusion to it, even
the illusion of even alluding to alluding to it maybe
too much.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, you do have audio listeners, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: And there's plenty of people have no idea who we are.
This could be their first episode. We'll start already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, I am a deep cut John Bene Ramsey.
Yeah yeah, it's not like the classic one that you
would think of. But I don't know if you guys
put pictures in this at all.
Speaker 1: But if you will toss picture up, yeah, if.
Speaker 4: You put the one picture.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a running bit where I'm like, oh,
I'll put the photo right here, and I never do
it right.
Speaker 4: Right, so you may not. But you know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, Do you even need to put a photo there? No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's yeah. If she wasn't.
Speaker 1: Killed, are you the same age as her?
Speaker 4: Holy shit? No, I think she would be no, thirty something, she.
Speaker 1: Would be not even not even right. Oh no, no, no, yeah, no,
she would be Yeah, she'd be thirty four, thirty four,
thirty four. I saw the death date, yeah, and I
thought it was the birthday. Yeah, No, no, because it
was they're very close together. Yeah, yeah, but you said
thirty four. Yeah, yeah, she's thirty four, so she's a.
Speaker 3: Year older than they.
Speaker 1: Yeah sick. Yeah yeah, see that's that could have been
your fate if you had been cast in signs. It's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I got the colcn roll.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple different ways you can go with
the jambonnet.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: You can go with this like classic so people know,
or you could just be like what would she be
like at thirty four pageant? Or like smoking cigarettes? Drinking,
fucking she's a.
Speaker 1: Rich family, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But like the rebellion of a girl in a rich family.
Speaker 3: In the footsteps of what she came from.
Speaker 1: I think she's in a she's in a sorority SeeU Boulder.
Speaker 3: You think she probably has like a Paget institute.
Speaker 4: You don't think there was that she would have looked
back on that time and then gotten mad at her
parents and then rebellio.
Speaker 1: Mean she would yeah, she would have been like she
would have gone to see you a ton of coke, okay,
but she still would have kept the veneer. You know
what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's it's a it's not.
Speaker 1: A you wouldn't see the rebellion just from looking at her. Yeah,
you would have to go out and party with her,
so and then she would be like fuck me, my
dad and all this stuff they put on me, and
like fu eight guys and which you know what you're
in college do whatever. But like that's the rebellion.
Speaker 4: She'd come out of it pretty quickly and be like,
oh well I kind of do like being.
Speaker 1: Rich though, yeah, And it's the it's the type of
thing where the parents are just like are you done?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, she'd probably find Jesus her out over swing.
Speaker 1: The other way, she would eventually yes be like, yeah,
she's coke in college Christ Postcrads maybe built some homes
Coke to Christ pipeline is well tu yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah but anyways, so I.
Speaker 1: Call that the Soul's a Bible joke.
Speaker 4: Oh those are fun, huh Catholic? Yeah, thanks for having
me on. Thanks on actual Halloween?
Speaker 1: Is that it is going.
Speaker 3: To drop on actual Halloween? Who recording this right before
r PR because we figured Ross wouldn't be here on time.
Speaker 1: Well, nos, I walked in at nine o'clock and he
was here. He was here ready.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but don't it's it's always a tease.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's.
Speaker 3: Gonna leave the twilight Zone.
Speaker 4: He's even he's gonna probably be even later than he usually.
Speaker 3: He said he's about to get a pump. Yeah, he's
about to go gym, which I don't know what that entails.
I don't know if that's the treadmill biceping.
Speaker 4: It's elliptical, Okay, elliptical.
Speaker 3: Only maybe talks to people for thirty minutes.
Speaker 4: I'm elliptical with an eight eight pound weights.
Speaker 3: Ok ye there, okay, yeah, I hate the elliptical Anyway,
I have an episode that I think you're gonna enjoy
very much.
Speaker 1: Thank you as the host of Crime Corner. Yes, find
it on anywhere you can find a podcast. Yeah, Crime
Corner with Jesse Wiseman. Yes, thank you.
Speaker 4: We also have a spooktacular episode the same.
Speaker 1: As you have spook I mean all of your episode.
Speaker 4: There spook tacular.
Speaker 1: Yeahcular although most of our episodes a also feature death.
Most of history is horrific. Yeah, it's like Colleen, you'll
love history.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. All of my stuff is like, you know, sixties, seventies,
little bit eighties because that was the heyday. Your stuff
is little older, although, but like that.
Speaker 3: The Patreon episode we just did was about a It
was from the eight nineteen eighties Japanese murder, gang, rape,
torture from the yakuza.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was like, here's his fun snizz of history.
This is yesterday morning, this is how my day started.
Speaker 4: Coffee and Japanese rape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gang forty days of rape and uh they lit
this woman on fire. It was terrific.
Speaker 1: You can subscribe to the Patreon Patreon software history for
a great time. I was definitely like, wow, history is.
Speaker 4: Right right, you were into it.
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason too, is mostly it was the
eighties because I've done terrible episodes stuff about terrible shit.
But it's like, oh, it was in World War I,
so whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's more like that was. It's like anything you go,
that's just what you did back then, right right, like.
Speaker 1: To modern for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Honestly, anything, especially
if it's like something that's in like the thirteen hundreds
and it's like he ate twelve children, I'm just.
Speaker 3: Like, well, what were those children wearing?
Speaker 1: I don't yeh.
Speaker 4: Trial and error back there, and you know, trial and
errors just life. They go, they go, can we they
found the line back then for us?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but.
Speaker 3: You're an eighties baby, so you're like, oh I am
an eighties baby, but not in a nineties Mercedes the
quote Maren Morris. The best part about that episode though,
is they only got like max fifteen years to this woman.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Japan, I guess not great with their criminal justice system.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, yeah, we're the best to do it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think so. But there's a little bit
more fun today. We have a serial killer. But it's
got all the it's got all the beats, got all
the notes. I think you're gonna really appreciate this. If
I could have written a serial killer story, I don't know,
if I would have come up with something this good.
Speaker 4: Okay, people would say like, I don't know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The amount of times that happens now where I'm like that,
if I wrote that, people would be like, no, that's unfair,
that's wrong, that's too much. And then someone just does
it and it's like there's no what is the limit? Right,
Like I can't This man was made in a lab
for you.
Speaker 4: Jesse perfect, good morning.
Speaker 3: We're talking about Bella kiss.
Speaker 1: Mmmm, it's a chick.
Speaker 3: Now, it's a man named Bella named Bella okay, belly
kiss like not like one word like Bella kiss, Like
he's a Greek. He's not Greek, Okay. So he was
born in a small Hungarian town outside Budapest in eighteen
seventy seven, and it didn't take long for his life
to go completely sideway.
Speaker 1: Just that area of the world. Murder, murder, it's like that.
It's like there's a there's a voice coming out of
the forests. It's just like, yeah, get I'm not even
can hear it, but there's enough people on the frequency.
Speaker 3: It's just a kid Germany walking Austria.
Speaker 1: It is funny, like what's like the fairy tales come
from when the like back in the day, especially like
the Romans, but even after that too, But the Romans
would just be like, that's the darkest fucking forest I've
ever seen in my life for sure, Like they're like,
what the fuck is that?
Speaker 4: There's like always a fog. Yeah, like everyone horrible, horrible,
sunken in gray looking with a gray jacket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's europe specific.
Speaker 4: Northwest potatoes or something. It's very.
Speaker 3: I got the same kind of energy invibe from Oregon
Washington State.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's another place where the forests where you're
like some fucked up yeah, because it's weird too, because
we're I feel like we're trained to think like, oh,
a fucked up place with trees and stuff will be
like the rainforest to jungle, like that's where crazy shit is.
Like a normal forest, it's like what's in there? Some
deer But like once you like walk into a little bit,
you're like this place creeps me out. Yeah it's too quiet.
Speaker 3: Oh there's all those murders that happen at national parks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, great, place to do.
Speaker 4: Nothing creepier than a forest, like next to a highway,
Do you know what I mean? Because you just go
too easy to access that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Why don't people just live out there on the
highways they do what?
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 3: I've never explored those forests, so I wouldn't know. But yeah,
if I was homeless, kind of get as far as
you can on like thirty five going to those Nobody's
gonna bother you there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you need to they gotta go get.
Speaker 3: Close to an exit though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to be near a gas station.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: So his father was not around very much, so his
mother put all our attention and love into her sweet
sweet boy. And by that I mean she molested and
raped her son.
Speaker 4: Goodness, goodness, sakes just.
Speaker 1: Made for Jesse in a lab.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, guys, I just want you know, on crime corner,
I don't do any kids stuff, and I.
Speaker 4: Don't I don't the origin mom molesters for some reason.
A mom molester, you.
Speaker 3: Guys, Every serial killer usually gets kind of molested, right,
A lot of them.
Speaker 4: They usually have mom issues one way or the other,
whether they didn't love him enough, they loved him too much. Whatever,
it's usually connected. God fucking damn. I mean yes, I
mean I am a misogynist, right, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, her husband was probably a drunk, never around.
Speaker 4: She needed to attention mom molesters. No, there's no way
to justify it's too much.
Speaker 1: It is actually weird because the guy you're like, well,
men are morons or.
Speaker 4: Morons, they just like get something in their head and
the testosterone just drives him right there.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, women, it's like what what?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Which is why Remember that story we did on
the other show about the engagement that was broken off.
The teacher was engaged, but she was like making out
with a fifth grader. Yeah, and you're just like, what, like,
are how mentally ill? Can you possibly be?
Speaker 4: What? Okay?
Speaker 3: This type of support from at least one parent was
just the foundation he needed to become a successful entrepreneur,
running his tin business that did fairly well.
Speaker 1: O you getting really sassy with this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Friends and acquaintances described him as a social and handsome
gentleman that was one of the most eligible bachelors in
the area, known for his lavish parties and seductive charisma.
Speaker 1: How wealthy was he Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was wealthy in the fact that he ran a business.
Speaker 1: Like middle class, like merchant class.
Speaker 3: Upper middle class. He had a trade.
Speaker 1: It's just hard you say, hungry in the eighteen seventies,
and yeah, I don't know if he's eating raw potatoes
for every meal or or if he's like in the city,
like doing pretty decent.
Speaker 3: Well, he was a tall blonde, okay.
Speaker 4: And his mom just could not couldn't resist cool.
Speaker 3: This is what he grows up in the beach, so
I imagine he was probably yes, she knew she could
spot it. Outside of being the tin man in town.
Kiss got really into astrology and occult practices.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's how it starts. That break your brain as
a child. Then you see some weird shit and you're like,
that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4: Finding meaning. You know, I know a lot of people
like that, that find meaning.
Speaker 3: This guy was just early and everything right, Like he's
just into the stars sort of that women were all
about older women.
Speaker 1: We the man, we're just really flushing kids down a
toilet today.
Speaker 3: Well with no data apps at the time. In nineteen
oh three, he started putting out ads in the newspaper
offering himself up for marriage to the right woman.
Speaker 1: I mean very common thing at the time. That was.
Even personal ads were a thing in the right when
we were right before, yes, even on the internet Internet and.
Speaker 4: Had personal ads like for a forever. Yeah, even like Nanny,
like yeahs.
Speaker 1: Era the absolutely and like I remember I read you.
Speaker 4: Had to write letters in and get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one I read from like that eighteen
hundreds in America that was like, I am looking for
a good woman. I have my full set of teeth,
I own three sheep and a farm, and uh, I'm
learning to read little pictures.
Speaker 4: You're basically just like hiring a sturdy gal to help you.
Speaker 1: On find a woman. I do not think the lonely
life suits me. Like that's literally like what it said.
And I was like, boy, yeah, he wasn't even old,
he was like eighteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you look at like dating profiles now
it's all the same.
Speaker 4: That might be a better way to go about it now, guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, should you've got.
Speaker 4: To like write a letter, you get a letter, you
have to write another one back send it.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I meant to tell you this. You know
what I found out recently? Do you you know what
Riya is? Yes, you know what I did. But what
I didn't know was that like they are like influencers
and ship on there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's not enough famous people women, So like,
you need to get on Riya.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, no, posure you can get an invitation.
Speaker 3: I would get rejected immediately.
Speaker 1: I don't need to get on. I'll set up your
Rya profile. Now, let's set up. I want you to
be on Riya.
Speaker 4: What do you get like you get sponsored or recommended
or like vetted by else?
Speaker 1: Do you apply? You have to get invited? Yeah, I
can get off. Figure out.
Speaker 4: We'll figure Outlet's get on, right with that haircut and
the the beard all fucking combed. We'll take your picture
right now, put you on there.
Speaker 3: Jeff Dies said he had a terrible time on Riah.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's it's probably a nightmare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably accessible. But he also didn't he probably
met Christmas on RYA.
Speaker 4: Seriously, it's the worst of the worst. It's if one
of those people was on Tender, you'd be.
Speaker 3: Like, God, imagine any famous person isn't actually on ride.
Speaker 1: I knew it, should I know I know someone Courtney
knew a guy who matched with Carl ray Jepson. Call
me baby singer.
Speaker 3: Is that impressive?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I love it, Yeah I do. I'm into it
all right.
Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, Bob derailed this serial killer with a.
Speaker 1: Let's get back.
Speaker 4: The connection.
Speaker 3: But he's in the riah of his time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the higher newspaper ads.
Speaker 3: Police later found out that he was interested and corresponded
with seventy four different women.
Speaker 4: So he was getting small dude, you described him?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, Like did he include a picture?
Speaker 3: I believe so?
Speaker 1: Oh wow. By the way, not easy to get a
picture in the paper back. In fact, they probably I'm
not even sure they were putting photographs in the paper,
so it would have been a drawing.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 1: In the eighteen nineties, No, this was nineteen oh three.
Speaker 4: Another idea. Here's another idea, dating app with drawings only. Yeah,
right now, drawings only.
Speaker 3: Of these seventy four, he started to convince dozens of
them to send him money and assets in exchange for
matchmaking services with his non existent friends, fortune telling and
some good old fashioned pipeline on these desperate hens.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, whatever.
Speaker 3: So he would meet up with some of them, hook
up and extort them for cash, or he'd be like, hey,
I got a buddy, that's like, you know, he's an
incredible guy. You should like meet up with him, but
I need some money to get the meet up going.
Speaker 4: So he started catfishing too, he's ahead of from their is.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's also a little fortune telling too. He's like, I'll
read your future.
Speaker 4: Oh look back then, pay me please.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a yeah, that's a legitimate service business, especially
in that part. I mean he's in like Gypsy country,
Hungary and shit like that.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck, all right now I'm picturing it the gypsy is.
Speaker 3: He ultimately married his first wife, Julia, in nineteen oh five,
and they had two children together. Oh and that's the story.
They lived happily ever after.
Speaker 4: Oh oh how nice kid in.
Speaker 3: Kiss couldn't keep it in his pants? And at thirty
five he gets involved with a twenty year old name Maria.
Speaker 1: Well it's better than molesting his kids, I suppose.
Speaker 4: So he's he's already doing.
Speaker 1: That's fine. The way this story has already gone. Him
banging a twenty year old, Ye.
Speaker 4: No problem, first sentence.
Speaker 3: But he blows up his marriage and he leaves his
kids well for a twenty year.
Speaker 4: Old okay again, back then, god.
Speaker 3: Father, what did she look like? She was a she
was a damsel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but sometimes there's there are people you would blow
and look hit the reset.
Speaker 4: But I'm sure we've been over it when I'm on
the show, and I'm sure you guys have been over
it otherwise. But the amount of people that Bob has
on that list, right, people that he would just risk
it all, blow it all.
Speaker 3: Up for it was one person.
Speaker 4: I think, Oh, it evolves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, depends on the mood. Ode is one of them, certainly.
Speaker 3: But she she's very attainable and that at this point,
she's not she's no, she looks fine. No, she doesn't.
Speaker 1: She looks great. She I don't like her. I don't
like the blonde hair, but that's just for Wicked.
Speaker 4: Which he loves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Whin win.
Speaker 1: She'll be warming in my front yard for Halloween for
the children.
Speaker 3: And hopes that she sees it.
Speaker 1: Well, hey, if I go viral.
Speaker 4: And she do you know how Bob found out about Riyah?
Speaker 3: Are you on Riah's I can get on it, but
I'm trying to make networking connections. Yeah, this isn't about me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not really, it's not It doesn't count as
you know, everyone has like their hall pass let celet
if doesn't really count if you're actively.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, No, it's or like the joke of like
somebody's hall pass like your wife's hall passes, you know,
a Brad Pitt and yours is like a friend of hers,
do you know what I mean? Doesn't really work like that,
but yeah.
Speaker 3: We've talked about this before. There was a guy on
Reddit that was asking if he should be mad because
his girlfriend's hall pass was like a local DJ.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it can't be you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it can't be the weather man.
Speaker 3: No, it's gotta be like Scar Joe, right, yes, yeah,
it needs to be.
Speaker 1: It's like an offense.
Speaker 4: It's unattainable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like an offensive joke, right if it's it
has to be so funny. The more offensive it is,
the funnier it has to be. It's the same thing
like though, to do something that drastic, she it has
to be so impressive that you can't even be mad
about it. Exactly, it actually happens. She has to laugh
about it, right, be like I don't know, Starlett Johansson
just fucking she was just like black from Captain America. Yeah,
Winter Soldier, and I mean it's just, you know, I
went bananas.
Speaker 3: So he gets married to this twenty year old in
nineteen twelve after blowing up his other marriage. Cool, but
Maria was still for the streets. Shortly after, she gets
involved with an artist named Bakari. Kiss walks in on
the two and does what any sane man does and
strangles them both to death, opening up his bloodthirsty desire.
Speaker 1: It's okay, so he awakens something right.
Speaker 4: But the first just kill just kind of you know
what I mean, especially hungry.
Speaker 1: I mean it's he's like, if anyone is going to
destroy a marriage in this home, it's me. Yes, how
dare you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Hello, I thought we had ah.
Speaker 1: I forgot about the opening scene of I hadn't seen
a minority port in a while, and I got served
to the opening scene on YouTube with a guy like
thinks his wife is banging someone else and he goes
back into the house and like he just hears that,
like hears them banging, and he's like like under the bed,
like like listening to his wife get drilled or whatever.
And then he's and he's about to kill him, but
then Tom Cruise busts in.
Speaker 4: Right, I think that it'd.
Speaker 1: Be tough to hear.
Speaker 4: Listen, like there's we've all, you know, had moments like
that where we're like I could kill not going to But.
Speaker 3: Never that I've had that moment with somebody.
Speaker 4: No, no, like not that bad, Like I've never walked in
on anyone. Yeah, but like even just the horrible feeling
of knowing about it, finding about it whatever, Like can
you imagine if you actually saw it in murder in action?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: There. I have a friend who was you don't know
what we would do. I have a friend who was
the guy that was ruining the relationship, not a marriage.
Speaker 3: But it was so he had somebody else walk in
on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't know. And my boyfriend like, that's going
to be terrifying too, because you have no idea who
this man is. Yeah, you know, the boyfriend is just
like just get the fuck out of here, broke like
he was. Yeah, it's funny that the bro It was
funny to me that the bro code survived. It's like,
I get it, but you didn't know. If you didn't know,
it's not your problems. Get the out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, holy shit.
Speaker 3: In my mind, someone's pulling a gun on me immediately. Yeah,
and I'm dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's a it's boogie Knights. Oh hell yeah yeah, yeah,
you're getting macy.
Speaker 3: When authorities investigated her disappearance, Kiss claim the two ran
off to America, leaving him heartbroken in the chambo and
who could.
Speaker 1: Say he was wrong?
Speaker 4: And who could say there was no way to find out?
Speaker 1: No? Not?
Speaker 3: Then good?
Speaker 1: Hey buy it?
Speaker 3: And Kiss is back on the market looking for his
next victim.
Speaker 1: So now he's he's just in it now, Yeah he
did it.
Speaker 4: They don't need to be killing him. It's just like
now I'm fucking filled with rage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's his villain aire, Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, Karma
is his boyfriend.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 3: Around this time, he also hires an old housekeeper named
missus Jacobec to keep things in order around his place
as he went gallavans in around town. So he hired
his own, like Alfred does she now?
Speaker 1: Does she know? Because that makes it really fun if
the housekeeper's in on it, right, and are.
Speaker 4: They doing it? You know what I mean? There's some things.
Speaker 3: We'll get to it, okay. She noticed an abundance of
women coming in and out of his place, but didn't
think too much of it, believing Kiss was just in
total place boy mode. She was like, don't ask, don't tell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's you know, I'm a housekeeper, a simple housekeeper.
Speaker 4: And it's just girls. Well you'll get to it. But
girls coming in. He's he's just having fun, just having fun.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: We just had his heart broken. Goodman left him for
another younger man went to America.
Speaker 4: The women come in. Does she see him leave?
Speaker 3: She doesn't ask questions?
Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Kiss got back on his bullshit of hitting
interested women up with you up letters, not to rob
them of their wealth this time, but their lives.
Speaker 1: So now he was like, I've tasted the sweetest fruit
and I have to keep going back to it. Like, yeah,
extortion doesn't cut it for him anymore. It's murdered.
Speaker 4: But he's kind of doing both. He does like, if
you make the cut of like I'm gonna have sex
with you and let you leave cool, or you're the
kind of person that I'm gonna kill.
Speaker 3: Well. His method of murder was strangulation, typically with a
rope or his bare hands while in the act of intimacy.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, so it starts fun.
Speaker 3: And maybe it gets a little rough and like, oh
this is this.
Speaker 1: Is com kind of into this.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah too far?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah he's going he's getting some kinks off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels weird to bang someone while they're transitioning
from living to dead. Yeah like that one chick do
that well. I think we did a story of that too.
They found the head of the boyfriend in the root
in the house. Yeah, but she like killed him, like
cut his throat while they were fucking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like she took it the farthest that like you
could think of taking it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, o kink Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah, truly the
queen of goth chicks. Yeah yeah, forever and.
Speaker 4: Ever, with like a smirk on her face too. After
super fucking weird.
Speaker 3: He would also butt into their necks and drain blood
from the victims, ultimately earning him the moniker of the
Vampire of Sinkota where he's from. Okay, so he left
vampire teeth marks on the neck.
Speaker 1: That's smart.
Speaker 4: Did any of them? Did he kill some and not
kill others? This was my question. Do we know or
it was just like every girl this was his thing.
Speaker 1: I think probably he just bangs some.
Speaker 4: He did bank so that's always kind of fascinates me
about serial killers or the people that survive basically where
I just go like, well, we need to harness that,
Like what did that person I do or have or
say or whatever?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you didn't. I saw one from some serial
killer who was like talking about how he picked up
two teenage girls taking into town in the middle of
the night. Yeah, somewhere in like California, and he was like,
I just didn't have it in me that at that time.
He's like it was an urge that would come, like
I couldn't do it whatever.
Speaker 4: That's the fucking scariest thing. Yeah, Like the people that
were like, yeah, I was in the car, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: He was like, like me out, he was like, they
would have never found him. Yeah, it was served on
a platter. But he's like, I just wasn't wasn't vibing
on it at that moment.
Speaker 4: I'd be offended, I think, do you know what I mean?
I'd be happy to be alive, but I'd also kind
of be like, what's up with what? I didn't do
it for you? What are you talking about? All right?
Speaker 3: He then preserved the bodies as trophies by pickling them
in large steel drums filled with wood alcohol.
Speaker 1: That's offensively Eastern European pickling your victims is, by the way,
But then for oh for what to look at him
to like like it's like a pig fetus in your science.
Speaker 4: Was trying to do and he used like the wrong ship.
Speaker 1: That's what he was trying to do, basically.
Speaker 4: Trying to keep them like preserved somehow, and he like
just could not figure out how that's Dahmer state, you
know what I mean? Rough for him, Ohio state education.
Speaker 3: I think it was more of like a dexter blood
splatter like slide that he had, Okay, that he kept.
It was just I don't think he was doing anything
to the bodies. He was just keeping them in them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just funny. It's just funny to me
that the Eastern European is pickling. Yeah, of course, yeah,
of course he is. And by the way, it's smart
of him. I wanted to say to the vampire thing,
because maybe these people are still so superstitious that all
you have to do to throw the scent off of
you is just walk around during the day and they're like,
well it's not Yeah, yeah, I got him. I saw
him at daytime. Yeah, I think he was just a freak.
Speaker 4: Actually he had like which like tendencies too with the
fucking practice practice in astrology.
Speaker 1: And who can't have a healthy relationship with Chris Sax
in general, considering.
Speaker 3: His mom was the one that took his virginity.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're always trying to chase that dragon, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When neighbors who genuinely liked him began asking questions about
the steel drums around his house, what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh same?
Speaker 1: What his name he had? Bella? Hey, Bella Bella.
Speaker 4: So what you got in your pickles? Oh? Well that
would be it.
Speaker 3: He said he was stockpiling gas as he expected a
shortage when a massive war was brown in Europe. So
he I mean that riding was on the wall, that
World War one was probably going to break out sooner
than later. Yeah, so he's like, I'm just stockpiling the gas.
Speaker 4: Weird that he would let people in the house.
Speaker 1: I would still be like, hey, well, Bella, I don't
love you keeping of the weltimate, Yeah, I don't. I
don't love you keeping all these gallons of flammable liquid
right next to my house. Yeah, because there's no fire
codes it's nineteen o eight or whatever fucking year it is,
Lightning is going to strike that drum and nu because
its entire block.
Speaker 4: Bob, even in nineteen oh eight, you sound like a
fucking he's calling fucking h OA director. Hey man, hate.
Speaker 1: Kiss z America.
Speaker 4: Hey man, I you know, I'm not gonna say anything,
but okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Like it's cool.
Speaker 4: But it's like cool, and like.
Speaker 3: Other people are talking about it and they're like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Makes sense.
Speaker 4: Just fucking slits your throat.
Speaker 1: Well, next thing I know.
Speaker 3: In nineteen fourteen, Kiss was drafted and joined the Austro
Hungarian Army for World War One.
Speaker 4: What's up on our team, dude?
Speaker 3: He left the house he rented in the hands of
his housekeeper and put her in his will to receive
everything if he died in action. Oh so this is
kind of an issue for her because if they if
they find out bodies everywhere, there's bodies everywhere. She knows, No,
she doesn't know.
Speaker 4: Okay, she doesn't know about the bodies.
Speaker 3: She doesn't know anything. Yeah, she just thinks he's got
to keep it that way, right, he was just slinging, dick, but.
Speaker 1: She lives there, right, He's how's he pickling whole corpses?
There's no way she doesn't live there. She doesn't live there.
Speaker 4: H snitch can figure it out. Yeah, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1: I just it's funny too now I want to know.
Speaker 3: But like, if they find out, the police will be like,
why did he leave everything to you?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, that was smart. Okay, that's
fucking her kind of yeah. Okay, So.
Speaker 3: Rumors began swelling the kiss had been killed in action
two years later, in nineteen sixteen. The truth of the
matter is he swapped identification in tags with a dead soldier,
faking his own death.
Speaker 1: Smart.
Speaker 3: So he did a was that mad men? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That did happen? Mad man?
Speaker 3: John Hamm.
Speaker 4: So far he is doing everything right.
Speaker 1: I yeah, he other than second one murder has been
but even the murders.
Speaker 4: If that's what you do, he's doing them right now.
Speaker 1: I want to know how many bodies he caught on
the battlefield. Oh was he getting any I.
Speaker 4: Don't think he found any pleasure in it, Yeah, because
if it's sexually driven, you just don't do it for.
Speaker 1: You find I actually guarantee you.
Speaker 3: Oh, he definitely got some.
Speaker 1: He got some on the field. He probably I mean,
you know, raped and pillaged. Oh sure, in whatever towns
the Austro Hungarians true barged into.
Speaker 3: Believing he was dead. Kiss His landlord then began to
try to find a new tenant for his home. Well
inspect in the house. He cracked open one of those
pesky barrels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a stupid batrels.
Speaker 3: And he found a pickled woman on his property.
Speaker 1: Good lord.
Speaker 3: He called the police, and in total, twenty four bodies
were found at his home, including his ex wife and
her lover.
Speaker 1: Oh so they were there the whole time. Yeah, I
wonder how well preserved they were. There's probably photos.
Speaker 3: I don't think they fucking lasted. It was during the war,
There's no way it lasted.
Speaker 1: What the body.
Speaker 3: I could only find one boy, like one photo of
this dude, and it was him in uniform.
Speaker 1: Damn, no shit, because like.
Speaker 3: I think for the time, he had a great mustache, Okay,
strong jaw line, he sounded. He was tall. Okay, that's
just half the battle.
Speaker 1: You just gotta be tall, especially every chicks like five
to one and you're just like what.
Speaker 4: I think the problem for him was finding like a
woman that wasn't just a sturdy, Yeah, sturdy, child bearing, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And he had two kids.
Speaker 1: He left him. Yeah, it got old it by it.
Speaker 4: I mean, you probably don't know what did he pickle
him in?
Speaker 3: Wood? Alcohol?
Speaker 4: Wood? Alcohol? Did that work?
Speaker 1: Turpentine? All right? Okay, good to know.
Speaker 3: So some people that didn't believe that he was a
stockpil in oil, his neighbors, they just thought it was
alcohol in general.
Speaker 1: Oh, they thought he was just like a fucking alcohol.
Speaker 4: I bet that works for like smell too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one would imagine that it would, yah, would completely
neutralize the smell. This dude is not dumb, no, I mean,
but it's like you still got to learn these things.
Speaker 4: It's one of these things that I'm the whole time
I'm thinking, I'm like, if Dahmer did any of these,
he'd be like, you know, yeah, fine, so there is
still out there.
Speaker 3: Detectives arrested his housekeeper for questioning, believing she was an accomplice,
as Kiss had left everything to her perfect. She took
them to a locked room. Kiss instructed her to never
go to.
Speaker 1: Always always fun for the housekeeper.
Speaker 3: It's just like ever, No, it's just like, don't you
don't have to clean this room?
Speaker 1: You're fine, Like yeah, but did he say that, or hey,
you don't have clean this room? In fact, just don't
go in there, don't worry about it, don't don't don't
go in there, don't do it.
Speaker 4: I think it was definitely by no means do you
ever go in here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's like.
Speaker 3: Cool, I'm asking no questions.
Speaker 4: Most housekeepers are like, no problem to.
Speaker 3: Be like a sex down.
Speaker 1: She'll do that. With the people that clean this office,
I'll be like, whatever you do, whatever you do, do
not go into that fucking room. Don't do it. Which
room maybe the citizen room? Yeah, like close it doorup, like, hey,
you don't need to clean, you don't need to clean
that room anymore. Don't open the door, don't do anything.
Speaker 4: You have them clean Joel's trailer.
Speaker 1: Huh No, No, that's but they already know. Yeah, it's
a it's a trailer. You just avoid it at all costs.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was chock full of letters from women he interacted
with over the years, photo albums, and books on poison
and strangulation.
Speaker 1: So he was a student.
Speaker 3: He was always learning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was grinding.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying that you don't you don't do it,
you're not the best to ever do it of his
time in the in the region. You're if you're not
like researching, studying and finding the best practices, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: People people think he.
Speaker 3: Wasn't buying his own hype. He's like, I didn't approve, no,
but I can't.
Speaker 1: It's it's people think it's all just like athletic towns
stuff like that's about the game tape. It's about watching
game tape at four in the morning.
Speaker 4: The best ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what That's what separates you.
Speaker 4: The best ones do learn from each one.
Speaker 3: You know, he was an entrepreneur. He started his own business.
Speaker 1: How did he have the time, to be honest, he
had a ten business he was that was thriving. He
was mailing chicks constantly, murdering and fucking constantly.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, that's what I always like question when dudes
have multiple women that they're like dating at the same time, Like,
who has the fucking time to do that?
Speaker 1: You have to be like an actual set. I think
at this point in the show, I know one person
who's done that, and I know two women that that's
happened to.
Speaker 3: Like, that's why I got rid of the day and apps,
because I would be on it and after you get
like three or four messages, you're like, I'm done. Yeah,
I'm tired. Yeah, I can't keep up with this, like
what his head? It's exhausting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the.
Speaker 4: Same thing I say about the you know, Abercrombie freak off. Yeah,
how in the fuck do you have the time? Stamina? Interest?
Speaker 1: I just I don't you know. It's funny. I read
something once it was like this. I think it was
on Reddit and leve alone.
Speaker 3: The people have like mistresses, right, like several a mistress
at least, but if you have like several of them,
if it's a.
Speaker 1: Girl in every report, multiple watress.
Speaker 4: But that's why I always say, like the wife or
whatever main partner has to be also a little bit
over it because for me, like you wouldn't be able
write I'm checking you know what I mean, what are
you doing? Where were you? I'm asking people if the
person was there to this day.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, you know what I mean. Sense it makes
sense to me if you're like I mean, I wouldn't
do it, But it makes sense to me if you're
like a pilot or like an NBA player, right, you're
where you're going to something like, oh, this is my
Dallas girlfriend. Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
this is m.
Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense if it's an NBA player. I
don't know about a pilot. You start to like be
in constant communication. But if you are like an athlete
or somebody of a certain stature, the girl's not really
going to get on you for not talking or for
like months.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you don't know that wife.
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying the mistress, the mistress isn't gonna care
if you're an NBA player that you haven't like hit
her up in like three months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless the mistress knows she's a mistress.
Speaker 3: She probably does.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying for the pilot too, the mistress nose,
it's just like, yeah, I just catch some dick when
the pilot, you know, and.
Speaker 3: He's watched up in the air to ends his day
at love.
Speaker 1: Field, and she doesn't have a lot of self esteem
because she's fucking a Southwest pilot.
Speaker 4: By the way, how do you not, any of you guys,
how do you not understand that a mistress is always
going to turn into I'm jealous?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you know what I mean, like it's
a loose.
Speaker 4: End always, so even that anxiety of that and trying
to keep that fucking down, and then that one's we're
just saying the time? Who has the time? Right?
Speaker 1: I I kind of think for everything, you every time
you see something blow up, you can like probably five
exit on the ones that didn't. Yeah, true, they're probably
way more like you hear about the ones blow up,
another one blew up, but it's like, okay, how many
didn't didn't? Right? Like I know, it's the same with
like a teacher thing like which like, oh man, you
don't just hear about another teacher. It's like, okay, But
if that's how many are getting caught, how many.
Speaker 3: Are doing how many priests are getting away with this?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: How many dudes your guys's age are walking around being like, yeah, dude,
best time in my fucking life.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying shite anyway.
Speaker 3: Dude in finance working in New York, he's just like
has like thirty girlfriends.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't this guy's mom, I would attribute it
to that. But but the but the mom molester.
Speaker 1: Really broken from the start.
Speaker 3: Can we even blame blame him? Really?
Speaker 1: Yes, yep, huh, Because here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Got molested by his mom and then walked in passion
really opened everything up.
Speaker 4: Maybe, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just most people who get molested don't become serial killers.
So it just feels like you could still blame him.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I will tell you this, most mom molested, right,
they do.
Speaker 1: That's probably a higher rate. Probably. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: So women are stronger, is what you're saying, when they
get father.
Speaker 4: Who birthed you is molesting you. I think the whole world,
I mean, I just to me, is the fucking craziest ship.
Speaker 1: You got to stab your eyes out. Yeah, no part
of the world feels safe at that point. No, Oedipus
did it on his own. That was consensual sex.
Speaker 3: He didn't know what. But with an adult story of Oedipus.
Speaker 4: He didn't know, but he found out well and then
still you.
Speaker 3: Know, his parents gave him away, okay, and then he
came back, conquered the land they were from, banged. His
mom didn't know his mom didn't know his mom biological mom.
Speaker 1: I gotta say I would have been like also killed.
His father didn't know his father, and then he was
all upset about it. That's not his fault. He didn't
fucking know. That's that's how my epipistory ends, is well.
Speaker 4: I didn't know, yep. Yeah, but that doesn't keep your eye.
That doesn't fuck you up in the same way, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no where it's like.
Speaker 4: Nothing is safe, nothing is safe. The world is upside down,
and I am killing everyone, and women in particular.
Speaker 3: So these letters they found showed that he primarily focused
on middle aged, lonely women who didn't have much family
nearby that would notice if they went missing or not.
Speaker 1: So he had a type easy yeah women, because he's
not dumb. Yeah because people although apparently not in according
to our fucking Patreon the other day with the Japanese girl,
but typically people are like, where'd that pretty young girl go? Right,
nobody's like if anything, they're like, oh man, I don't
know where the lonely middle age stick went, but I'm
glad here. Thank god.
Speaker 4: Somebody later you go, did you have you ever seen Yeah?
It was freaking years ago. Someone else just like, I
don't know, case closed, case closed on Janets.
Speaker 1: Twenty or hot, what do you care? She was twenty
five she's.
Speaker 4: A registered my retinas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they reach out to the military to investigate and
possibly make an arrest, but with the chaotic nature of
World War One, dozens of Bella Kisses being enlisted in
the Hungarian army, it was a common name apparently.
Speaker 4: On It sounds so fucking weird to me, though, I
know every time you say it.
Speaker 3: And our boy faking his own death and stealing the
identity of another man, it was virtually impossible to track
him down. They finally got a lead though, however, in
late nineteen sixteen, finding him in a Serbian hospital recovering
from injuries, but by the time they went to make
an arrest, he was gone and placed another decoy body
in the bed swapped his identity.
Speaker 1: Wow, how do you know they were coming? He could
just like he had this.
Speaker 3: Like sixth sense where anytime they got close, he just bailed.
Speaker 1: This guy.
Speaker 4: Is there a movie about him?
Speaker 1: I believe so, an American movie.
Speaker 4: No sly based, Okay, yeah, because I'll.
Speaker 1: Be honest, we watched that one European movie about that
other that with Ben Foster that's the Hiss, like the
hero of this area from the Middle Ages, and it
was pretty mid so I need thing. It's called medieval, right,
I think, yeah, I need an American or British film. Yeah, yeah,
Like I can't.
Speaker 3: I like that movie Ben Foster's.
Speaker 4: I think just Ben Foster's makes any of Ben.
Speaker 1: Foster's pretty sweet and Michael Kaine has a cup of
coffee in it. But like, but like it was pretty mid.
Speaker 3: You're just you're too harsh. You're like the biggest hitter
in the office. I always get that reputation, but you
are easily the biggest hate.
Speaker 1: It's so fucking untrue. I can't even I'm the im
the office optimist.
Speaker 4: He's just a realist man.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: There were several suddens of Kiss in the following years,
in Romania, Turkey, and the French Foreign Legion, but Kiss
was always one step ahead and moved on when he
since they were getting close. The last known side of
Kiss happened in nineteen thirty two in New York City.
Independent homicide detective Henry Oswald tracked him down out of
a subway in Times Square.
Speaker 1: What how did he even know?
Speaker 3: You're he's on the case for years? What he just
like kind of I think he picked up and read
about the story. I need to try an American. Okay,
So he came to the conclusion that Kiss was working
as a janitor in the city. But by the time
he reported his findings to the police, they went to
make or at least interview the man they believed to
be Kiss the janitor was gone and never seen again.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, he had to be getting bodies the whole
time too, right Foor.
Speaker 4: You know, wasn't towards the end and was just like so.
Speaker 1: In the thirties, he would have been what in his sixties.
Speaker 3: He was born in seventy seven, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he was in his fifties. I mean that's
killing age.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Hungarian vampire was never caught in his
eventual fate as well as anyone he may have killed
remains unknown.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many bodies do we know for sure?
Speaker 3: Twenty four confirmed on his property.
Speaker 1: So twenty four murders. God knows how many on the battlefield,
I guarantee. I bet like double it, double it, not
even counting battle like killed in war, which is fine.
Speaker 3: Do you think he shaped him he was like that
was a weird phase.
Speaker 4: Well maybe, yeah, right.
Speaker 1: He could also have done that. Yeah, he could have
also been like come over it.
Speaker 4: How is the Uh, it's pretty prolific. The amount twenty
four is not bad and he's not bad.
Speaker 1: It's like close to one of the worst in a
short amount of time too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, close to one of the worst.
Speaker 1: The rat stats alone. I mean if we're talking.
Speaker 3: Like we're talking like nineteen twelve to nineteen fourteen, so.
Speaker 4: Like twelve the year what was gacy like thirty and
that was like I.
Speaker 3: Don't even know, you know, this means he had some
of these women on like his like he had been
in contact with them since like nineteen oh three. Yeah,
but like but like building up a roster.
Speaker 4: Twenty four bodies on the properties.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, the first kill was nineteen twelve.
Speaker 1: That's one a month.
Speaker 3: And it was his ex wife that he blew up
his other marriage for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well ex wife and uh and her her bofe.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: My weird thing is the American like what finding out
about this?
Speaker 1: How do you even look?
Speaker 3: A decade later, a.
Speaker 4: Decade later and finding him supposedly.
Speaker 1: As a janitor in New York City meeting up on
I guess that's your your profession, so you're likely he's
a PI dude. But then what he just like is like,
I bet he's in America. I mean, it would make sense.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't really look into that part.
Speaker 1: It would make sense for them to come to the
United States.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can track people when people were coming
through Ellis Island and stuff like that, or however.
Speaker 1: He yeah, wait came.
Speaker 4: Yeah a lot harder, but if you were a detective
at that time, yeah.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 3: So a common name that he used in both the
letters to these women the military he had he had
a name in alias that he always stuck with, and
the janitor also had this name. It was Hoffman. Okay,
So I think that.
Speaker 4: He probably wrote to someone in America or something that.
Speaker 3: Might have been that he was there. He was just
connecting the dots, like this Hoffman fella from Hungary and
he was in the French Foreign Legion.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they were just like, hey, Jim, I
know you have them fun, but there's like eight real
murders we have to solve New York.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, like this guy was.
Speaker 1: Like maybe another pigeon lady was stabbed at death in
the Bronx. I just get over the Hoffman guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I swear he's common dude, he's well, I
mean he's probably still in hungry in that fucking village.
Speaker 1: Or whatever anywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go there, I guess, but like just waiting for
him by the subway bud for years.
Speaker 1: Like you watched four people get pushed onto the tracks, but.
Speaker 4: It wasn't your Hungarian vampire. So I guess, keep on
the keep on the case.
Speaker 3: But he got away with it.
Speaker 4: He Yeah, dude, he sounds like, again one of the
best to ever do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think we put enough respect on this man.
I've never heard of him until I started doing this episode.
Speaker 1: We literally do not put nearly how many serial killers, Jesse,
have you done that never that disappeared into the night,
never got caught.
Speaker 4: I mean there's only like Zodiac at this point. Yeah,
because all the other ones, like the big ones, are
getting caught as like old men, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Even the Golden Gate or gold Golden.
Speaker 4: States, older State Night Soccer.
Speaker 3: Even these older like eighteen hundred and nineteen hundred serial
cos we've done in the past, they usually get caught
and they get like headed or you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's other murders from that time period that
like we did the Veliska or however you say axe murders, Yeah,
you know what I mean. But that was just probably
the one. He just did it that the one spot, yeah,
and killed like eight people. I mean you know it's
like almost like more like a mass that was a
traveling the Ripper.
Speaker 4: I think the.
Speaker 1: Ripper slash you need to do the Austin Servant Girl Annihilator.
Speaker 3: Because many think it's oh, yeah, Jack the Ripper.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, they think it's the same guy. Although now
I every once a while you see stuff pop up
that's like we figured out for sure who Jack the
Ripper was. So was he the goat?
Speaker 3: I mean he gets all the love.
Speaker 4: When I tell you too that the when they catch them,
isn't the Golden State killer. When they caught him, yeah,
there was no real satisfaction to it.
Speaker 3: Because he was old.
Speaker 4: Because he was old. And then it was also like
they couldn't really but kind of did right to a couple,
but not all, and you're just kind of like, okay,
eat a couple, right, I guess with these they.
Speaker 1: Never get all. And then they they had the one
guy in prison who obviously didn't get away with it,
but they just like it was that it's that black
guy who's the most prolific serial killer in US history,
who was just like, yeah, it's like a kill like
one hundred and twenty prostitutes over the years. Yeah, but
they were like and they look into it and they're like,
oh my god, it's he did right. Yeah, they're like, fuck,
like these are all.
Speaker 4: His Yeah, there's something to that when they're older and
when they're just like, uh, I don't know, it's not
there's no you know what I mean, like real right satisfaction.
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, it's like the guy it's like playing
hide and seek and you can't find him for so
long that the kid, other kid gets bored and he's
just like, all right, it's mine. All right.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're Highty Boulger, you know what I mean,
living in Santa Monica, whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: We're clearly keeping a low profile.
Speaker 1: So what Yeah, there's no satisfaction to that.
Speaker 4: No, not, no, we got him. So because they're still saying, no,
you don't have the evidence because it is so old
and so and you're just kind of like, right, and.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really lose the whole point is right, he's
supposed to lose his life either by being lockdack or
killed but in the state, and he didn't.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: He loves like six years, yeah years, the last ten,
the Laymouth ten. Right.
Speaker 4: So you know this guy when was he born.
Speaker 3: Sorry, eighteen seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Did most of his work in his thirties.
Speaker 4: He got away with it.
Speaker 3: Was a veteran.
Speaker 1: You're never Yeah. He was like the saint for the
Central Powers, for Australa and krist Yeah, for the for
the outside we fought against in World War One.
Speaker 3: He was an enemy, yeah, the state.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you for doing a serial killer. I know
you guys don't.
Speaker 3: No. I like when it ties into history though, like
he literally took a monumental event to escape, like World
War One. He's like, oh dude, I'm out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh he was. That's the perfect exit.
Speaker 3: So fun and uh what you learned today?
Speaker 4: I learned that even though a story starts with a
mom molester a molester mom, that you could still get
kind of uh inspired. Yeah, I'm telling you this guy,
I mean the vanishing.
Speaker 3: And he never really got red piled until's mistress slash
future I guess wife.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know it's not what I learned. It's
what other serial killers should have learned from him, because
my god, he did everything. What right would alcohol have them? Made?
Leave everything? Do you know what I mean? Like, if
you're leaving and there's any chance for someone to come
into your house, have the maid there, that's like, fully
everything's going to her. It's her house based, everything's in
her name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, swap identities, fake joined.
Speaker 4: The military, right, see, you later.
Speaker 3: Make your old housekeeper the scapegoat.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, but he's you know, he
should have written a book.
Speaker 3: Just become fucking better. Call Saul going over to New York,
just living a low life.
Speaker 1: What's own cinema?
Speaker 3: Essentially it was his time's version of working at cinema.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I think that's what he was trying to do, right,
I'm a janner.
Speaker 1: Nobody looks at you don't look at a Jannet described
to me one janitor's face. You can't do it exactly.
Speaker 4: He did that, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: Who's today's hitler.
Speaker 1: His mom, even though he's I'm not gonna blame his mom.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna blame his father for not sexually serving his mother.
Speaker 1: So it's not really how molestation works. But go on, he.
Speaker 4: Wasn't around, No, carry on. I mean, if if he
was around, right, you don't do the clips.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if his dad was around more, she wouldn't be
able to get.
Speaker 1: Away with it. I guess he would have been there
to be like, don't do that.
Speaker 4: Child, And that's my job. That's the shitty thing about
mom molesters. It's like mom's you know, bathing the kid
or mom's doing You're never like thinking it's weird if
it's a mom alone, right, Yeah, that's the sinister thing
about it.
Speaker 3: If anything, you're just yeah, you take it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you take care of it. I'm gonna go sit
on the couch. Right.
Speaker 1: Serial killing is murder is like normal to me, right,
But the mam molists it's such a murdered the betrayal
of trust. But mom molestic is such a insane betrayal
of trust that it's mom wins. Mom wins. Listen, he
was a tall, handsome fellow. Why didn't he kill her?
Speaker 3: Well, I think by the time he got old enough
and had that bloodthirst and she was dead.
Speaker 4: Okay, fair so most of yeah, most of them aren't
able to get back at the mom because it is
all going back to the mom. I think he did
or uh, gean killed the mom and made her into
like a lampshade, right, So, but not all of them
get to like revenge on the mom, so they're taking
it out on every other woman.
Speaker 1: Was that even revenge or was that like that They're crazy.
Speaker 4: Gan, I don't know if it was revenge or if
it was like intense obsession with the mom who was
kind of maybe mom molested. We're not really true, right, okay, Uh, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not well versed in serial killer lore.
Speaker 4: Well, it's always just trying to get back it. Whatever
your mom did to you, fuck you mom, it's fuck
you mom. Whether the mom was horrible or did that
kind of shit or was like you're obsessed with her
or she's obsessed with you, it's just what you know. Yeah,
the mother son relationship is a real The consequences can
be dire, right, So you gotta really enjoy it now.
Speaker 1: Enjoy it now while they just are obsessed with you
to your little babies.
Speaker 4: Because at a certain point you're enough to go, hey, bro,
you gotta get out of here. Man, I can't be
your best friend. It might be fucking weird. So go
get out there, be independent. I would say maybe the
boyfriend that or the guy that he walked walked in.
Speaker 1: On awakening the beast, Awakening the beast.
Speaker 4: And again, I always made woman. So it's her fault.
Speaker 3: You lose your woman to an artist?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and then and then whose fault is it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Is it his fault? Her fault?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure she needed he kind of knew what
he was getting into with a younger woman.
Speaker 1: She needed someone who understood her. Right. He was as
cold as the tin he sold.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: It happens like that, yeah, really fast. But that is
the end of Halloween. Hohr Night's Jesse. Thank you for
joining us for this last second spooctacular spacular.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 4: I love it. Guys love the show. Like how every
time I'm on, you just try and out the gate
and you always do, by the way, whether it's a yeah,
whether it's a pig lit on fire and thrown.
Speaker 1: Into understand what's happening to me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, But in every episode we.
Speaker 3: Do the horrific animal murders. We kind of got into
a bad habit of having you on for those. This
really is by accident. It's not Rob was usually the
head of those episodes. But you know, we'll get you
back to what you do best, and that is serial killers.
And where can the people find you talking about serial killers.
Speaker 4: You can find me on Crime Corner, audio feed Crime
Corner with Jesse Wiseman look it up, or on Drinking
Ro's Patreon. We do video where you can see the
pictures dateline style. But you know you can listen to
one with delco.
Speaker 3: On it two or three episodes to.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, you've been on the Scott Peterson which, by
the way, that might become a little bit more current. Okay,
we'll see what's happening, right, might have to rerun that, Yeah,
do a part two.
Speaker 3: And then we did the Safari thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did the the husband and wife that went
to kill Big Game and the dumb bitch shut yourself
in the heart, which.
Speaker 1: Is like women learn how to handle it right.
Speaker 4: And then Bob, we have to have you on for one.
But I'm not sure it's got to be it's gotta
be tailored. Yeah, of like what you're into.
Speaker 1: You know, I I say all the time, I used
to a I worked for a summer, I was a
law clerk for a federal death penalty defense lawyer. So
I've read some gnarly cases just like but they're like randoms,
like I had to like file his shit away and
I would.
Speaker 4: Just get like the ones that didn't make you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like whatever I remember I asked. I
was like, what are I happen to this guy? Because
he like killed a little girl and killed this like woman.
There's like a picture of the woman with a knife
in her neck. I didn't see the girl, thankfully, Yeah,
but I was like, what are I happening to this guy?
He's still in jail, and he's just like, ah, they
killed him fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4: Oh all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, oh, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool
cool cool cool. And then obviously I've read many a
case my mother has left strewn about the house.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, maybe we can get your expertise.
Speaker 3: He didn't challenge me immediately. On the Japanese episode we
did for Patreon, He's like, I've seen so many like
awful cases. There's no way you can like exceed this,
and I think I did.
Speaker 4: I most sounds like that.
Speaker 1: What made me It was just like frustrating that they
just kept getting away with.
Speaker 3: It in their parents' house. Yeah, the parents would like
pop in and hey, what's going on in here? Like,
don't worry about it, ma'am.
Speaker 1: In the eighties and the eighties that's what really Morob
and Dad were like, what's what's happening?
Speaker 3: To be fair, they were terrified because he was in
the yakuza.
Speaker 4: For sure, and it you know, it wasn't American eighties, right,
I mean Japanese eighties.
Speaker 3: Japanese a's was popping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was when actually that was the economic boom
in Japan. That was like their Roaring twenties because that
was when that was when all the Japanese stuff.
Speaker 3: Electron electronics took off.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was when the money was just flying
into Japan. Cars too, I guess.
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