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Speaker 2: Welcome to softcore History.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to softcore History.

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Speaker 3: This is Hello week, This is Hello. If you're gonna

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sing Halloween, Halloween, dude, gotta come from.

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Speaker 1: The Halloween this Halloween. Like, come on, man, I.

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Speaker 3: Know, leave it to the musical theater. It's gotta come

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from deep within. I get it. We put on I

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can't be talking. I'm ashimmed in that, so I it.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's a great high school memory of mine. Uh.

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While all the people, a lot of people are wasting

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their time like chasing girls and going to parties, me

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and several of my friends put on a street performance

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of The Night Mary before Christmas. It ran from October

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twentieth to December twenty fourth. It did really got great reviews.

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Speaker 3: What the voice you hear, of course, is brob Fox.

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I'm damn Jester. We're joined special guest Jesse Wiseman is

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the Halloween Bonus episode because we forgot to have Jesse on.

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Speaker 4: Hey, listen, you've got to trying to get this.

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Speaker 3: You gotta just figure out how you want it.

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Speaker 4: I just need to figure out how I want reference

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it really is, because I feel like sorry, Also.

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Speaker 1: You look straight on what that looks good? This? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So one of us, uh, I guess believes in Halloween.

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One of us, yeah right, one of us gets the idea.

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Speaker 1: Now, who are you today?

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing do I say? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's a there's a deep cut joke. If

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you've I'm not even gonna allude to it at all,

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right because I can't because one allusion to it, even

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the illusion of even alluding to alluding to it maybe

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too much.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, you do have audio listeners, right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And there's plenty of people have no idea who we are.

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This could be their first episode. We'll start already.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh no, I am a deep cut John Bene Ramsey.

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Yeah yeah, it's not like the classic one that you

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would think of. But I don't know if you guys

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put pictures in this at all.

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Speaker 1: But if you will toss picture up, yeah, if.

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Speaker 4: You put the one picture.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a running bit where I'm like, oh,

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I'll put the photo right here, and I never do

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it right.

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Speaker 4: Right, so you may not. But you know what I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, Do you even need to put a photo there? No?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's yeah. If she wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Killed, are you the same age as her?

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Speaker 4: Holy shit? No, I think she would be no, thirty something, she.

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Speaker 1: Would be not even not even right. Oh no, no, no, yeah, no,

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she would be Yeah, she'd be thirty four, thirty four,

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thirty four. I saw the death date, yeah, and I

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thought it was the birthday. Yeah, No, no, because it

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was they're very close together. Yeah, yeah, but you said

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thirty four. Yeah, yeah, she's thirty four, so she's a.

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Speaker 3: Year older than they.

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Speaker 1: Yeah sick. Yeah yeah, see that's that could have been

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your fate if you had been cast in signs. It's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if I got the colcn roll.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple different ways you can go with

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the jambonnet.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: You can go with this like classic so people know,

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or you could just be like what would she be

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like at thirty four pageant? Or like smoking cigarettes? Drinking,

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fucking she's a.

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Speaker 1: Rich family, right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: But like the rebellion of a girl in a rich family.

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Speaker 3: In the footsteps of what she came from.

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Speaker 1: I think she's in a she's in a sorority SeeU Boulder.

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Speaker 3: You think she probably has like a Paget institute.

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Speaker 4: You don't think there was that she would have looked

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back on that time and then gotten mad at her

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parents and then rebellio.

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Speaker 1: Mean she would yeah, she would have been like she

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would have gone to see you a ton of coke, okay,

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but she still would have kept the veneer. You know

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what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's it's a it's not.

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Speaker 1: A you wouldn't see the rebellion just from looking at her. Yeah,

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you would have to go out and party with her,

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so and then she would be like fuck me, my

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dad and all this stuff they put on me, and

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like fu eight guys and which you know what you're

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in college do whatever. But like that's the rebellion.

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Speaker 4: She'd come out of it pretty quickly and be like,

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oh well I kind of do like being.

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Speaker 1: Rich though, yeah, And it's the it's the type of

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thing where the parents are just like are you done?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, she'd probably find Jesus her out over swing.

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Speaker 1: The other way, she would eventually yes be like, yeah,

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she's coke in college Christ Postcrads maybe built some homes

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Coke to Christ pipeline is well tu yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah but anyways, so I.

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Speaker 1: Call that the Soul's a Bible joke.

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Speaker 4: Oh those are fun, huh Catholic? Yeah, thanks for having

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me on. Thanks on actual Halloween?

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Speaker 1: Is that it is going.

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Speaker 3: To drop on actual Halloween? Who recording this right before

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r PR because we figured Ross wouldn't be here on time.

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Speaker 1: Well, nos, I walked in at nine o'clock and he

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was here. He was here ready.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but don't it's it's always a tease.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's.

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Speaker 3: Gonna leave the twilight Zone.

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Speaker 4: He's even he's gonna probably be even later than he usually.

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Speaker 3: He said he's about to get a pump. Yeah, he's

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about to go gym, which I don't know what that entails.

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I don't know if that's the treadmill biceping.

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Speaker 4: It's elliptical, Okay, elliptical.

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Speaker 3: Only maybe talks to people for thirty minutes.

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Speaker 4: I'm elliptical with an eight eight pound weights.

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Speaker 3: Ok ye there, okay, yeah, I hate the elliptical Anyway,

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I have an episode that I think you're gonna enjoy

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very much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you as the host of Crime Corner. Yes, find

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it on anywhere you can find a podcast. Yeah, Crime

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Corner with Jesse Wiseman. Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 4: We also have a spooktacular episode the same.

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Speaker 1: As you have spook I mean all of your episode.

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Speaker 4: There spook tacular.

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Speaker 1: Yeahcular although most of our episodes a also feature death.

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Most of history is horrific. Yeah, it's like Colleen, you'll

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love history.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. All of my stuff is like, you know, sixties, seventies,

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little bit eighties because that was the heyday. Your stuff

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is little older, although, but like that.

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Speaker 3: The Patreon episode we just did was about a It

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was from the eight nineteen eighties Japanese murder, gang, rape,

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torture from the yakuza.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He was like, here's his fun snizz of history.

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This is yesterday morning, this is how my day started.

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Speaker 4: Coffee and Japanese rape.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, gang forty days of rape and uh they lit

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this woman on fire. It was terrific.

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Speaker 1: You can subscribe to the Patreon Patreon software history for

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a great time. I was definitely like, wow, history is.

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Speaker 4: Right right, you were into it.

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Speaker 1: And for whatever reason too, is mostly it was the

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eighties because I've done terrible episodes stuff about terrible shit.

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But it's like, oh, it was in World War I,

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so whatever.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's more like that was. It's like anything you go,

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that's just what you did back then, right right, like.

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Speaker 1: To modern for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Honestly, anything, especially

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if it's like something that's in like the thirteen hundreds

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and it's like he ate twelve children, I'm just.

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Speaker 3: Like, well, what were those children wearing?

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Speaker 1: I don't yeh.

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Speaker 4: Trial and error back there, and you know, trial and

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errors just life. They go, they go, can we they

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found the line back then for us?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but.

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Speaker 3: You're an eighties baby, so you're like, oh I am

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an eighties baby, but not in a nineties Mercedes the

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quote Maren Morris. The best part about that episode though,

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is they only got like max fifteen years to this woman.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Japan, I guess not great with their criminal justice system.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, yeah, we're the best to do it.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think so. But there's a little bit

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more fun today. We have a serial killer. But it's

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got all the it's got all the beats, got all

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the notes. I think you're gonna really appreciate this. If

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I could have written a serial killer story, I don't know,

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if I would have come up with something this good.

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Speaker 4: Okay, people would say like, I don't know, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: The amount of times that happens now where I'm like that,

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if I wrote that, people would be like, no, that's unfair,

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that's wrong, that's too much. And then someone just does

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it and it's like there's no what is the limit? Right,

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Like I can't This man was made in a lab

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Speaker 4: Jesse perfect, good morning.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about Bella kiss.

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Speaker 1: Mmmm, it's a chick.

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Speaker 3: Now, it's a man named Bella named Bella okay, belly

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kiss like not like one word like Bella kiss, Like

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he's a Greek. He's not Greek, Okay. So he was

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born in a small Hungarian town outside Budapest in eighteen

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seventy seven, and it didn't take long for his life

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to go completely sideway.

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Speaker 1: Just that area of the world. Murder, murder, it's like that.

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the forests. It's just like, yeah, get I'm not even

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can hear it, but there's enough people on the frequency.

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Speaker 3: It's just a kid Germany walking Austria.

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Speaker 1: It is funny, like what's like the fairy tales come

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from when the like back in the day, especially like

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the Romans, but even after that too, But the Romans

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would just be like, that's the darkest fucking forest I've

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ever seen in my life for sure, Like they're like,

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what the fuck is that?

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Speaker 4: There's like always a fog. Yeah, like everyone horrible, horrible,

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sunken in gray looking with a gray jacket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's europe specific.

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Speaker 4: Northwest potatoes or something. It's very.

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Speaker 3: I got the same kind of energy invibe from Oregon

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's another place where the forests where you're

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like some fucked up yeah, because it's weird too, because

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we're I feel like we're trained to think like, oh,

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a fucked up place with trees and stuff will be

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like the rainforest to jungle, like that's where crazy shit is.

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deer But like once you like walk into a little bit,

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you're like this place creeps me out. Yeah it's too quiet.

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Speaker 3: Oh there's all those murders that happen at national parks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, great, place to do.

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Speaker 4: Nothing creepier than a forest, like next to a highway,

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too easy to access that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Why don't people just live out there on the

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Speaker 4: I guess.

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Speaker 3: I've never explored those forests, so I wouldn't know. But yeah,

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if I was homeless, kind of get as far as

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you can on like thirty five going to those Nobody's

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gonna bother you there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you need to they gotta go get.

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Speaker 3: Close to an exit though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to be near a gas station.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: So his father was not around very much, so his

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mother put all our attention and love into her sweet

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sweet boy. And by that I mean she molested and

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raped her son.

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Speaker 4: Goodness, goodness, sakes just.

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Speaker 1: Made for Jesse in a lab.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, guys, I just want you know, on crime corner,

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I don't do any kids stuff, and I.

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Speaker 4: Don't I don't the origin mom molesters for some reason.

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A mom molester, you.

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Speaker 3: Guys, Every serial killer usually gets kind of molested, right,

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Speaker 4: They usually have mom issues one way or the other,

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whether they didn't love him enough, they loved him too much. Whatever,

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it's usually connected. God fucking damn. I mean yes, I

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mean I am a misogynist, right, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, her husband was probably a drunk, never around.

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Speaker 4: She needed to attention mom molesters. No, there's no way

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to justify it's too much.

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Speaker 1: It is actually weird because the guy you're like, well,

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men are morons or.

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Speaker 4: Morons, they just like get something in their head and

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the testosterone just drives him right there.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, women, it's like what what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Which is why Remember that story we did on

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the other show about the engagement that was broken off.

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The teacher was engaged, but she was like making out

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with a fifth grader. Yeah, and you're just like, what, like,

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are how mentally ill? Can you possibly be?

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Speaker 4: What? Okay?

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Speaker 3: This type of support from at least one parent was

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just the foundation he needed to become a successful entrepreneur,

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running his tin business that did fairly well.

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Speaker 1: O you getting really sassy with this one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Friends and acquaintances described him as a social and handsome

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gentleman that was one of the most eligible bachelors in

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the area, known for his lavish parties and seductive charisma.

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Speaker 1: How wealthy was he Yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He was wealthy in the fact that he ran a business.

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Speaker 1: Like middle class, like merchant class.

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Speaker 3: Upper middle class. He had a trade.

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Speaker 1: It's just hard you say, hungry in the eighteen seventies,

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and yeah, I don't know if he's eating raw potatoes

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for every meal or or if he's like in the city,

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like doing pretty decent.

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Speaker 3: Well, he was a tall blonde, okay.

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Speaker 4: And his mom just could not couldn't resist cool.

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Speaker 3: This is what he grows up in the beach, so

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I imagine he was probably yes, she knew she could

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spot it. Outside of being the tin man in town.

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Kiss got really into astrology and occult practices.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that's how it starts. That break your brain as

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a child. Then you see some weird shit and you're like,

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that makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 4: Finding meaning. You know, I know a lot of people

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like that, that find meaning.

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Speaker 3: This guy was just early and everything right, Like he's

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just into the stars sort of that women were all

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about older women.

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Speaker 1: We the man, we're just really flushing kids down a

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toilet today.

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Speaker 3: Well with no data apps at the time. In nineteen

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oh three, he started putting out ads in the newspaper

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offering himself up for marriage to the right woman.

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Speaker 1: I mean very common thing at the time. That was.

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Even personal ads were a thing in the right when

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we were right before, yes, even on the internet Internet and.

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Speaker 4: Had personal ads like for a forever. Yeah, even like Nanny,

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like yeahs.

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Speaker 1: Era the absolutely and like I remember I read you.

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Speaker 4: Had to write letters in and get.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one I read from like that eighteen

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hundreds in America that was like, I am looking for

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a good woman. I have my full set of teeth,

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I own three sheep and a farm, and uh, I'm

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learning to read little pictures.

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Speaker 4: You're basically just like hiring a sturdy gal to help you.

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Speaker 1: On find a woman. I do not think the lonely

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life suits me. Like that's literally like what it said.

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And I was like, boy, yeah, he wasn't even old,

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he was like eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you look at like dating profiles now

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it's all the same.

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Speaker 4: That might be a better way to go about it now, guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, should you've got.

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Speaker 4: To like write a letter, you get a letter, you

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have to write another one back send it.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, I meant to tell you this. You know

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what I found out recently? Do you you know what

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Riya is? Yes, you know what I did. But what

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I didn't know was that like they are like influencers

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and ship on there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he's not enough famous people women, So like,

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you need to get on Riya.

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, no, posure you can get an invitation.

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Speaker 3: I would get rejected immediately.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to get on. I'll set up your

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Rya profile. Now, let's set up. I want you to

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be on Riya.

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Speaker 4: What do you get like you get sponsored or recommended

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or like vetted by else?

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Speaker 1: Do you apply? You have to get invited? Yeah, I

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can get off. Figure out.

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Speaker 4: We'll figure Outlet's get on, right with that haircut and

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the the beard all fucking combed. We'll take your picture

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right now, put you on there.

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Speaker 3: Jeff Dies said he had a terrible time on Riah.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's it's probably a nightmare.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably accessible. But he also didn't he probably

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met Christmas on RYA.

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Speaker 4: Seriously, it's the worst of the worst. It's if one

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of those people was on Tender, you'd be.

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Speaker 3: Like, God, imagine any famous person isn't actually on ride.

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Speaker 1: I knew it, should I know I know someone Courtney

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knew a guy who matched with Carl ray Jepson. Call

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me baby singer.

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Speaker 3: Is that impressive?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I love it, Yeah I do. I'm into it

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all right.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, Bob derailed this serial killer with a.

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Speaker 1: Let's get back.

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Speaker 4: The connection.

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Speaker 3: But he's in the riah of his time.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the higher newspaper ads.

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Speaker 3: Police later found out that he was interested and corresponded

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with seventy four different women.

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Speaker 4: So he was getting small dude, you described him?

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, Like did he include a picture?

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Speaker 3: I believe so?

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Speaker 1: Oh wow. By the way, not easy to get a

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picture in the paper back. In fact, they probably I'm

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not even sure they were putting photographs in the paper,

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so it would have been a drawing.

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Speaker 3: Who knows.

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Speaker 1: In the eighteen nineties, No, this was nineteen oh three.

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Speaker 4: Another idea. Here's another idea, dating app with drawings only. Yeah,

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right now, drawings only.

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Speaker 3: Of these seventy four, he started to convince dozens of

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them to send him money and assets in exchange for

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matchmaking services with his non existent friends, fortune telling and

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some good old fashioned pipeline on these desperate hens.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, whatever.

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Speaker 3: So he would meet up with some of them, hook

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up and extort them for cash, or he'd be like, hey,

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I got a buddy, that's like, you know, he's an

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incredible guy. You should like meet up with him, but

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I need some money to get the meet up going.

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Speaker 4: So he started catfishing too, he's ahead of from their is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's also a little fortune telling too. He's like, I'll

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read your future.

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Speaker 4: Oh look back then, pay me please.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a yeah, that's a legitimate service business, especially

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in that part. I mean he's in like Gypsy country,

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Hungary and shit like that.

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Speaker 4: Oh fuck, all right now I'm picturing it the gypsy is.

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Speaker 3: He ultimately married his first wife, Julia, in nineteen oh five,

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and they had two children together. Oh and that's the story.

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They lived happily ever after.

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Speaker 4: Oh oh how nice kid in.

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Speaker 3: Kiss couldn't keep it in his pants? And at thirty

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five he gets involved with a twenty year old name Maria.

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Speaker 1: Well it's better than molesting his kids, I suppose.

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Speaker 4: So he's he's already doing.

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Speaker 1: That's fine. The way this story has already gone. Him

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banging a twenty year old, Ye.

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Speaker 4: No problem, first sentence.

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Speaker 3: But he blows up his marriage and he leaves his

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kids well for a twenty year.

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Speaker 4: Old okay again, back then, god.

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Speaker 3: Father, what did she look like? She was a she

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was a damsel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but sometimes there's there are people you would blow

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and look hit the reset.

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Speaker 4: But I'm sure we've been over it when I'm on

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the show, and I'm sure you guys have been over

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it otherwise. But the amount of people that Bob has

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on that list, right, people that he would just risk

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it all, blow it all.

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Speaker 3: Up for it was one person.

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Speaker 4: I think, Oh, it evolves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, depends on the mood. Ode is one of them, certainly.

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Speaker 3: But she she's very attainable and that at this point,

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she's not she's no, she looks fine. No, she doesn't.

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Speaker 1: She looks great. She I don't like her. I don't

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like the blonde hair, but that's just for Wicked.

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Speaker 4: Which he loves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Whin win.

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Speaker 1: She'll be warming in my front yard for Halloween for

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the children.

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Speaker 3: And hopes that she sees it.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, if I go viral.

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Speaker 4: And she do you know how Bob found out about Riyah?

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Speaker 3: Are you on Riah's I can get on it, but

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I'm trying to make networking connections. Yeah, this isn't about me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not really, it's not It doesn't count as

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you know, everyone has like their hall pass let celet

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if doesn't really count if you're actively.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, No, it's or like the joke of like

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somebody's hall pass like your wife's hall passes, you know,

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a Brad Pitt and yours is like a friend of hers,

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do you know what I mean? Doesn't really work like that,

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but yeah.

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Speaker 3: We've talked about this before. There was a guy on

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Reddit that was asking if he should be mad because

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his girlfriend's hall pass was like a local DJ.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it can't be you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it can't be the weather man.

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Speaker 3: No, it's gotta be like Scar Joe, right, yes, yeah,

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it needs to be.

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Speaker 1: It's like an offense.

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Speaker 4: It's unattainable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like an offensive joke, right if it's it

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has to be so funny. The more offensive it is,

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the funnier it has to be. It's the same thing

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like though, to do something that drastic, she it has

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to be so impressive that you can't even be mad

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about it. Exactly, it actually happens. She has to laugh

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about it, right, be like I don't know, Starlett Johansson

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just fucking she was just like black from Captain America. Yeah,

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Winter Soldier, and I mean it's just, you know, I

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went bananas.

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Speaker 3: So he gets married to this twenty year old in

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nineteen twelve after blowing up his other marriage. Cool, but

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Maria was still for the streets. Shortly after, she gets

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involved with an artist named Bakari. Kiss walks in on

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the two and does what any sane man does and

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strangles them both to death, opening up his bloodthirsty desire.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, so he awakens something right.

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Speaker 4: But the first just kill just kind of you know

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what I mean, especially hungry.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's he's like, if anyone is going to

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destroy a marriage in this home, it's me. Yes, how

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00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:11,759
dare you?

468
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 4: Yeah? Hello, I thought we had ah.

469
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,319
Speaker 1: I forgot about the opening scene of I hadn't seen

470
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,279
a minority port in a while, and I got served

471
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:25,119
to the opening scene on YouTube with a guy like

472
00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:28,480
thinks his wife is banging someone else and he goes

473
00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:30,720
back into the house and like he just hears that,

474
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,559
like hears them banging, and he's like like under the bed,

475
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,519
like like listening to his wife get drilled or whatever.

476
00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:39,519
And then he's and he's about to kill him, but

477
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,039
then Tom Cruise busts in.

478
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,039
Speaker 4: Right, I think that it'd.

479
00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: Be tough to hear.

480
00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 4: Listen, like there's we've all, you know, had moments like

481
00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:53,880
that where we're like I could kill not going to But.

482
00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: Never that I've had that moment with somebody.

483
00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:00,519
Speaker 4: No, no, like not that bad, Like I've never walked in

484
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:04,240
on anyone. Yeah, but like even just the horrible feeling

485
00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,400
of knowing about it, finding about it whatever, Like can

486
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,119
you imagine if you actually saw it in murder in action?

487
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

488
00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:14,799
Speaker 1: There. I have a friend who was you don't know

489
00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:16,519
what we would do. I have a friend who was

490
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:22,799
the guy that was ruining the relationship, not a marriage.

491
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 3: But it was so he had somebody else walk in

492
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:24,599
on him.

493
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't know. And my boyfriend like, that's going

494
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:30,599
to be terrifying too, because you have no idea who

495
00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:33,400
this man is. Yeah, you know, the boyfriend is just

496
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,359
like just get the fuck out of here, broke like

497
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,720
he was. Yeah, it's funny that the bro It was

498
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:39,680
funny to me that the bro code survived. It's like,

499
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,240
I get it, but you didn't know. If you didn't know,

500
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,960
it's not your problems. Get the out.

501
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, holy shit.

502
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 3: In my mind, someone's pulling a gun on me immediately. Yeah,

503
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:49,960
and I'm dead.

504
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah it's a it's boogie Knights. Oh hell yeah yeah, yeah,

505
00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:55,519
you're getting macy.

506
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,799
Speaker 3: When authorities investigated her disappearance, Kiss claim the two ran

507
00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:03,359
off to America, leaving him heartbroken in the chambo and

508
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,039
who could.

509
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: Say he was wrong?

510
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 4: And who could say there was no way to find out?

511
00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: No? Not?

512
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: Then good?

513
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: Hey buy it?

514
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 3: And Kiss is back on the market looking for his

515
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,640
next victim.

516
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:15,599
Speaker 1: So now he's he's just in it now, Yeah he

517
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:16,039
did it.

518
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,799
Speaker 4: They don't need to be killing him. It's just like

519
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,599
now I'm fucking filled with rage.

520
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's his villain aire, Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, Karma

521
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:27,400
is his boyfriend.

522
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:27,839
Speaker 4: Sure.

523
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:32,079
Speaker 3: Around this time, he also hires an old housekeeper named

524
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:35,799
missus Jacobec to keep things in order around his place

525
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,720
as he went gallavans in around town. So he hired

526
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:40,440
his own, like Alfred does she now?

527
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: Does she know? Because that makes it really fun if

528
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,880
the housekeeper's in on it, right, and are.

529
00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:49,839
Speaker 4: They doing it? You know what I mean? There's some things.

530
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,279
Speaker 3: We'll get to it, okay. She noticed an abundance of

531
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:56,119
women coming in and out of his place, but didn't

532
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,359
think too much of it, believing Kiss was just in

533
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,119
total place boy mode. She was like, don't ask, don't tell.

534
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's you know, I'm a housekeeper, a simple housekeeper.

535
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:09,559
Speaker 4: And it's just girls. Well you'll get to it. But

536
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,880
girls coming in. He's he's just having fun, just having fun.

537
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,079
Speaker 1: You know.

538
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: We just had his heart broken. Goodman left him for

539
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:17,440
another younger man went to America.

540
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:19,519
Speaker 4: The women come in. Does she see him leave?

541
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:21,799
Speaker 3: She doesn't ask questions?

542
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,559
Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead.

543
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Kiss got back on his bullshit of hitting

544
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:32,079
interested women up with you up letters, not to rob

545
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,240
them of their wealth this time, but their lives.

546
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: So now he was like, I've tasted the sweetest fruit

547
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,440
and I have to keep going back to it. Like, yeah,

548
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,000
extortion doesn't cut it for him anymore. It's murdered.

549
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,759
Speaker 4: But he's kind of doing both. He does like, if

550
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:48,920
you make the cut of like I'm gonna have sex

551
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,279
with you and let you leave cool, or you're the

552
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,480
kind of person that I'm gonna kill.

553
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,599
Speaker 3: Well. His method of murder was strangulation, typically with a

554
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,599
rope or his bare hands while in the act of intimacy.

555
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,079
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, so it starts fun.

556
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,839
Speaker 3: And maybe it gets a little rough and like, oh

557
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,400
this is this.

558
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:12,279
Speaker 1: Is com kind of into this.

559
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah too far?

560
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah he's going he's getting some kinks off.

561
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels weird to bang someone while they're transitioning

562
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,279
from living to dead. Yeah like that one chick do

563
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:28,960
that well. I think we did a story of that too.

564
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000
They found the head of the boyfriend in the root

565
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:33,559
in the house. Yeah, but she like killed him, like

566
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:34,960
cut his throat while they were fucking.

567
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, like she took it the farthest that like you

568
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:41,119
could think of taking it.

569
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:45,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, o kink Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah, truly the

570
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,559
queen of goth chicks. Yeah yeah, forever and.

571
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 4: Ever, with like a smirk on her face too. After

572
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,799
super fucking weird.

573
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: He would also butt into their necks and drain blood

574
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,880
from the victims, ultimately earning him the moniker of the

575
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,680
Vampire of Sinkota where he's from. Okay, so he left

576
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:06,680
vampire teeth marks on the neck.

577
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: That's smart.

578
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 4: Did any of them? Did he kill some and not

579
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:15,319
kill others? This was my question. Do we know or

580
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,480
it was just like every girl this was his thing.

581
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: I think probably he just bangs some.

582
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:22,319
Speaker 4: He did bank so that's always kind of fascinates me

583
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:27,319
about serial killers or the people that survive basically where

584
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,519
I just go like, well, we need to harness that,

585
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,079
Like what did that person I do or have or

586
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:34,880
say or whatever?

587
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:39,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you didn't. I saw one from some serial

588
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:40,599
killer who was like talking about how he picked up

589
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,200
two teenage girls taking into town in the middle of

590
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,119
the night. Yeah, somewhere in like California, and he was like,

591
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,759
I just didn't have it in me that at that time.

592
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:51,279
He's like it was an urge that would come, like

593
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:52,279
I couldn't do it whatever.

594
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,119
Speaker 4: That's the fucking scariest thing. Yeah, Like the people that

595
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,519
were like, yeah, I was in the car, yeah, because.

596
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: He was like, like me out, he was like, they

597
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,519
would have never found him. Yeah, it was served on

598
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:06,920
a platter. But he's like, I just wasn't wasn't vibing

599
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,680
on it at that moment.

600
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:12,119
Speaker 4: I'd be offended, I think, do you know what I mean?

601
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,440
I'd be happy to be alive, but I'd also kind

602
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,880
of be like, what's up with what? I didn't do

603
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:20,880
it for you? What are you talking about? All right?

604
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: He then preserved the bodies as trophies by pickling them

605
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,279
in large steel drums filled with wood alcohol.

606
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: That's offensively Eastern European pickling your victims is, by the way,

607
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:36,799
But then for oh for what to look at him

608
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:40,359
to like like it's like a pig fetus in your science.

609
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 4: Was trying to do and he used like the wrong ship.

610
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,119
Speaker 1: That's what he was trying to do, basically.

611
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,119
Speaker 4: Trying to keep them like preserved somehow, and he like

612
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,079
just could not figure out how that's Dahmer state, you

613
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,599
know what I mean? Rough for him, Ohio state education.

614
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,079
Speaker 3: I think it was more of like a dexter blood

615
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,720
splatter like slide that he had, Okay, that he kept.

616
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,319
It was just I don't think he was doing anything

617
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:05,759
to the bodies. He was just keeping them in them.

618
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just funny. It's just funny to me

619
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:10,880
that the Eastern European is pickling. Yeah, of course, yeah,

620
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,920
of course he is. And by the way, it's smart

621
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,200
of him. I wanted to say to the vampire thing,

622
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,000
because maybe these people are still so superstitious that all

623
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:20,640
you have to do to throw the scent off of

624
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,960
you is just walk around during the day and they're like,

625
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,680
well it's not Yeah, yeah, I got him. I saw

626
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:30,279
him at daytime. Yeah, I think he was just a freak.

627
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,599
Speaker 4: Actually he had like which like tendencies too with the

628
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,519
fucking practice practice in astrology.

629
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,799
Speaker 1: And who can't have a healthy relationship with Chris Sax

630
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,480
in general, considering.

631
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,559
Speaker 3: His mom was the one that took his virginity.

632
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:45,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

633
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're always trying to chase that dragon, right.

634
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

635
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: When neighbors who genuinely liked him began asking questions about

636
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,160
the steel drums around his house, what.

637
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh same?

638
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,759
Speaker 1: What his name he had? Bella? Hey, Bella Bella.

639
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 4: So what you got in your pickles? Oh? Well that

640
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:07,279
would be it.

641
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:09,839
Speaker 3: He said he was stockpiling gas as he expected a

642
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,960
shortage when a massive war was brown in Europe. So

643
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,440
he I mean that riding was on the wall, that

644
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,839
World War one was probably going to break out sooner

645
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,599
than later. Yeah, so he's like, I'm just stockpiling the gas.

646
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:23,079
Speaker 4: Weird that he would let people in the house.

647
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:27,079
Speaker 1: I would still be like, hey, well, Bella, I don't

648
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,759
love you keeping of the weltimate, Yeah, I don't. I

649
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:35,200
don't love you keeping all these gallons of flammable liquid

650
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:38,839
right next to my house. Yeah, because there's no fire

651
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,279
codes it's nineteen o eight or whatever fucking year it is,

652
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,279
Lightning is going to strike that drum and nu because

653
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:46,160
its entire block.

654
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,799
Speaker 4: Bob, even in nineteen oh eight, you sound like a

655
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:58,279
fucking he's calling fucking h OA director. Hey man, hate.

656
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: Kiss z America.

657
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:05,319
Speaker 4: Hey man, I you know, I'm not gonna say anything,

658
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,720
but okay, go ahead.

659
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:07,599
Speaker 1: Like it's cool.

660
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 4: But it's like cool, and like.

661
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: Other people are talking about it and they're like, yeah.

662
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: Makes sense.

663
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:17,279
Speaker 4: Just fucking slits your throat.

664
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: Well, next thing I know.

665
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,039
Speaker 3: In nineteen fourteen, Kiss was drafted and joined the Austro

666
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,079
Hungarian Army for World War One.

667
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: What's up on our team, dude?

668
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:32,519
Speaker 3: He left the house he rented in the hands of

669
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:35,279
his housekeeper and put her in his will to receive

670
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:39,799
everything if he died in action. Oh so this is

671
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,319
kind of an issue for her because if they if

672
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:48,200
they find out bodies everywhere, there's bodies everywhere. She knows, No,

673
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:48,759
she doesn't know.

674
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: Okay, she doesn't know about the bodies.

675
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: She doesn't know anything. Yeah, she just thinks he's got

676
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,079
to keep it that way, right, he was just slinging, dick, but.

677
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:59,519
Speaker 1: She lives there, right, He's how's he pickling whole corpses?

678
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,880
There's no way she doesn't live there. She doesn't live there.

679
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 4: H snitch can figure it out. Yeah, you know what

680
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:07,039
I mean.

681
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: I just it's funny too now I want to know.

682
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: But like, if they find out, the police will be like,

683
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,319
why did he leave everything to you?

684
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, that was smart. Okay, that's

685
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,000
fucking her kind of yeah. Okay, So.

686
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: Rumors began swelling the kiss had been killed in action

687
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:27,759
two years later, in nineteen sixteen. The truth of the

688
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:31,480
matter is he swapped identification in tags with a dead soldier,

689
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:32,359
faking his own death.

690
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: Smart.

691
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,519
Speaker 3: So he did a was that mad men? Yeah?

692
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: That did happen? Mad man?

693
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:37,279
Speaker 3: John Hamm.

694
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: So far he is doing everything right.

695
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: I yeah, he other than second one murder has been

696
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:46,319
but even the murders.

697
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 4: If that's what you do, he's doing them right now.

698
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,279
Speaker 1: I want to know how many bodies he caught on

699
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:55,000
the battlefield. Oh was he getting any I.

700
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,839
Speaker 4: Don't think he found any pleasure in it, Yeah, because

701
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,359
if it's sexually driven, you just don't do it for.

702
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,839
Speaker 1: You find I actually guarantee you.

703
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: Oh, he definitely got some.

704
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: He got some on the field. He probably I mean,

705
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:10,559
you know, raped and pillaged. Oh sure, in whatever towns

706
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:13,559
the Austro Hungarians true barged into.

707
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,079
Speaker 3: Believing he was dead. Kiss His landlord then began to

708
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:21,079
try to find a new tenant for his home. Well

709
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:24,199
inspect in the house. He cracked open one of those

710
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,159
pesky barrels.

711
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a stupid batrels.

712
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: And he found a pickled woman on his property.

713
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: Good lord.

714
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 3: He called the police, and in total, twenty four bodies

715
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,119
were found at his home, including his ex wife and

716
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:39,599
her lover.

717
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: Oh so they were there the whole time. Yeah, I

718
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,320
wonder how well preserved they were. There's probably photos.

719
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:49,639
Speaker 3: I don't think they fucking lasted. It was during the war,

720
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,320
There's no way it lasted.

721
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:52,199
Speaker 1: What the body.

722
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,079
Speaker 3: I could only find one boy, like one photo of

723
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:57,400
this dude, and it was him in uniform.

724
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: Damn, no shit, because like.

725
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 3: I think for the time, he had a great mustache, Okay,

726
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,559
strong jaw line, he sounded. He was tall. Okay, that's

727
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:09,199
just half the battle.

728
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:12,599
Speaker 1: You just gotta be tall, especially every chicks like five

729
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,639
to one and you're just like what.

730
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,039
Speaker 4: I think the problem for him was finding like a

731
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:25,000
woman that wasn't just a sturdy, Yeah, sturdy, child bearing, yeah, yeah.

732
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:25,559
Speaker 3: And he had two kids.

733
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: He left him. Yeah, it got old it by it.

734
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,559
Speaker 4: I mean, you probably don't know what did he pickle

735
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:31,840
him in?

736
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: Wood? Alcohol?

737
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 4: Wood? Alcohol? Did that work?

738
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:40,559
Speaker 1: Turpentine? All right? Okay, good to know.

739
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 3: So some people that didn't believe that he was a

740
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,880
stockpil in oil, his neighbors, they just thought it was

741
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,719
alcohol in general.

742
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: Oh, they thought he was just like a fucking alcohol.

743
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,199
Speaker 4: I bet that works for like smell too.

744
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, one would imagine that it would, yah, would completely

745
00:35:56,199 --> 00:36:00,400
neutralize the smell. This dude is not dumb, no, I mean,

746
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,679
but it's like you still got to learn these things.

747
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:05,679
Speaker 4: It's one of these things that I'm the whole time

748
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:08,159
I'm thinking, I'm like, if Dahmer did any of these,

749
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,599
he'd be like, you know, yeah, fine, so there is

750
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:14,199
still out there.

751
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 3: Detectives arrested his housekeeper for questioning, believing she was an accomplice,

752
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,239
as Kiss had left everything to her perfect. She took

753
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,920
them to a locked room. Kiss instructed her to never

754
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,360
go to.

755
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:28,679
Speaker 1: Always always fun for the housekeeper.

756
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 3: It's just like ever, No, it's just like, don't you

757
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,760
don't have to clean this room?

758
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: You're fine, Like yeah, but did he say that, or hey,

759
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,239
you don't have clean this room? In fact, just don't

760
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,480
go in there, don't worry about it, don't don't don't

761
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:40,440
go in there, don't do it.

762
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: I think it was definitely by no means do you

763
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:43,800
ever go in here?

764
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's like.

765
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 3: Cool, I'm asking no questions.

766
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 4: Most housekeepers are like, no problem to.

767
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,639
Speaker 3: Be like a sex down.

768
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,559
Speaker 1: She'll do that. With the people that clean this office,

769
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,559
I'll be like, whatever you do, whatever you do, do

770
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,840
not go into that fucking room. Don't do it. Which

771
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,239
room maybe the citizen room? Yeah, like close it doorup, like, hey,

772
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,079
you don't need to clean, you don't need to clean

773
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:13,039
that room anymore. Don't open the door, don't do anything.

774
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:14,639
Speaker 4: You have them clean Joel's trailer.

775
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: Huh No, No, that's but they already know. Yeah, it's

776
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,280
a it's a trailer. You just avoid it at all costs.

777
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

778
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: It was chock full of letters from women he interacted

779
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,800
with over the years, photo albums, and books on poison

780
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,559
and strangulation.

781
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:34,039
Speaker 1: So he was a student.

782
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,079
Speaker 3: He was always learning.

783
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was grinding.

784
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,039
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying that you don't you don't do it,

785
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:42,679
you're not the best to ever do it of his

786
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,679
time in the in the region. You're if you're not

787
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,960
like researching, studying and finding the best practices, right.

788
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

789
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: People people think he.

790
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,119
Speaker 3: Wasn't buying his own hype. He's like, I didn't approve, no,

791
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,039
but I can't.

792
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: It's it's people think it's all just like athletic towns

793
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,639
stuff like that's about the game tape. It's about watching

794
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:00,800
game tape at four in the morning.

795
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,679
Speaker 4: The best ones.

796
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what That's what separates you.

797
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 4: The best ones do learn from each one.

798
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,679
Speaker 3: You know, he was an entrepreneur. He started his own business.

799
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: How did he have the time, to be honest, he

800
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,480
had a ten business he was that was thriving. He

801
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:21,199
was mailing chicks constantly, murdering and fucking constantly.

802
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: Oh dude, that's what I always like question when dudes

803
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,000
have multiple women that they're like dating at the same time, Like,

804
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:29,559
who has the fucking time to do that?

805
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: You have to be like an actual set. I think

806
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,760
at this point in the show, I know one person

807
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,920
who's done that, and I know two women that that's

808
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:37,400
happened to.

809
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: Like, that's why I got rid of the day and apps,

810
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,760
because I would be on it and after you get

811
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,840
like three or four messages, you're like, I'm done. Yeah,

812
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,480
I'm tired. Yeah, I can't keep up with this, like

813
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:50,000
what his head? It's exhausting.

814
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:51,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the.

815
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,519
Speaker 4: Same thing I say about the you know, Abercrombie freak off. Yeah,

816
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:59,400
how in the fuck do you have the time? Stamina? Interest?

817
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,119
Speaker 1: I just I don't you know. It's funny. I read

818
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,480
something once it was like this. I think it was

819
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:05,440
on Reddit and leve alone.

820
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,079
Speaker 3: The people have like mistresses, right, like several a mistress

821
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:12,199
at least, but if you have like several of them,

822
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:12,719
if it's a.

823
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: Girl in every report, multiple watress.

824
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: But that's why I always say, like the wife or

825
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:21,559
whatever main partner has to be also a little bit

826
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:25,159
over it because for me, like you wouldn't be able

827
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:27,519
write I'm checking you know what I mean, what are

828
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:29,639
you doing? Where were you? I'm asking people if the

829
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:31,400
person was there to this day.

830
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: That's yeah, you know what I mean. Sense it makes

831
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,559
sense to me if you're like I mean, I wouldn't

832
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:36,679
do it, But it makes sense to me if you're

833
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:39,360
like a pilot or like an NBA player, right, you're

834
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,000
where you're going to something like, oh, this is my

835
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,840
Dallas girlfriend. Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

836
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:44,079
this is m.

837
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,519
Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense if it's an NBA player. I

838
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:48,400
don't know about a pilot. You start to like be

839
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,239
in constant communication. But if you are like an athlete

840
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,360
or somebody of a certain stature, the girl's not really

841
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,280
going to get on you for not talking or for

842
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,519
like months.

843
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 1: I don't know that you don't know that wife.

844
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: No, I'm saying the mistress, the mistress isn't gonna care

845
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,760
if you're an NBA player that you haven't like hit

846
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,840
her up in like three months.

847
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless the mistress knows she's a mistress.

848
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 3: She probably does.

849
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: But I'm saying for the pilot too, the mistress nose,

850
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,559
it's just like, yeah, I just catch some dick when

851
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:14,159
the pilot, you know, and.

852
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: He's watched up in the air to ends his day

853
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,440
at love.

854
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,559
Speaker 1: Field, and she doesn't have a lot of self esteem

855
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:20,079
because she's fucking a Southwest pilot.

856
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,639
Speaker 4: By the way, how do you not, any of you guys,

857
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:27,360
how do you not understand that a mistress is always

858
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,920
going to turn into I'm jealous?

859
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you know what I mean, like it's

860
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:33,119
a loose.

861
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 4: End always, so even that anxiety of that and trying

862
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,320
to keep that fucking down, and then that one's we're

863
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,239
just saying the time? Who has the time? Right?

864
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,679
Speaker 1: I I kind of think for everything, you every time

865
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,119
you see something blow up, you can like probably five

866
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:53,079
exit on the ones that didn't. Yeah, true, they're probably

867
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:54,760
way more like you hear about the ones blow up,

868
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:57,000
another one blew up, but it's like, okay, how many

869
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,440
didn't didn't? Right? Like I know, it's the same with

870
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,800
like a teacher thing like which like, oh man, you

871
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,000
don't just hear about another teacher. It's like, okay, But

872
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:07,320
if that's how many are getting caught, how many.

873
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,039
Speaker 3: Are doing how many priests are getting away with this?

874
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: Right?

875
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 4: How many dudes your guys's age are walking around being like, yeah, dude,

876
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:15,079
best time in my fucking life.

877
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: Right?

878
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying shite anyway.

879
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,119
Speaker 3: Dude in finance working in New York, he's just like

880
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,679
has like thirty girlfriends.

881
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,199
Speaker 4: If it wasn't this guy's mom, I would attribute it

882
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:33,840
to that. But but the but the mom molester.

883
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: Really broken from the start.

884
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 3: Can we even blame blame him? Really?

885
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: Yes, yep, huh, Because here's the thing.

886
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: Got molested by his mom and then walked in passion

887
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:45,159
really opened everything up.

888
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 4: Maybe, man, I don't know.

889
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,679
Speaker 1: I just most people who get molested don't become serial killers.

890
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,320
So it just feels like you could still blame him.

891
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: I don't know.

892
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I will tell you this, most mom molested, right,

893
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,079
they do.

894
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,559
Speaker 1: That's probably a higher rate. Probably. I'm just saying.

895
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,119
Speaker 3: So women are stronger, is what you're saying, when they

896
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,199
get father.

897
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 4: Who birthed you is molesting you. I think the whole world,

898
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,639
I mean, I just to me, is the fucking craziest ship.

899
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: You got to stab your eyes out. Yeah, no part

900
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,119
of the world feels safe at that point. No, Oedipus

901
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:24,079
did it on his own. That was consensual sex.

902
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,159
Speaker 3: He didn't know what. But with an adult story of Oedipus.

903
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 4: He didn't know, but he found out well and then

904
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,280
still you.

905
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,679
Speaker 3: Know, his parents gave him away, okay, and then he

906
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,880
came back, conquered the land they were from, banged. His

907
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,199
mom didn't know his mom didn't know his mom biological mom.

908
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,039
Speaker 1: I gotta say I would have been like also killed.

909
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:47,480
His father didn't know his father, and then he was

910
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,519
all upset about it. That's not his fault. He didn't

911
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:53,840
fucking know. That's that's how my epipistory ends, is well.

912
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: I didn't know, yep. Yeah, but that doesn't keep your eye.

913
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,119
That doesn't fuck you up in the same way, dude.

914
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, no where it's like.

915
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 4: Nothing is safe, nothing is safe. The world is upside down,

916
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:09,880
and I am killing everyone, and women in particular.

917
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,599
Speaker 3: So these letters they found showed that he primarily focused

918
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,880
on middle aged, lonely women who didn't have much family

919
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,880
nearby that would notice if they went missing or not.

920
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:25,679
Speaker 1: So he had a type easy yeah women, because he's

921
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:31,159
not dumb. Yeah because people although apparently not in according

922
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,719
to our fucking Patreon the other day with the Japanese girl,

923
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:39,239
but typically people are like, where'd that pretty young girl go? Right,

924
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,519
nobody's like if anything, they're like, oh man, I don't

925
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:44,480
know where the lonely middle age stick went, but I'm

926
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,239
glad here. Thank god.

927
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 4: Somebody later you go, did you have you ever seen Yeah?

928
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,199
It was freaking years ago. Someone else just like, I

929
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,119
don't know, case closed, case closed on Janets.

930
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:03,199
Speaker 1: Twenty or hot, what do you care? She was twenty

931
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,880
five she's.

932
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: A registered my retinas.

933
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, they reach out to the military to investigate and

934
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,320
possibly make an arrest, but with the chaotic nature of

935
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,800
World War One, dozens of Bella Kisses being enlisted in

936
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,440
the Hungarian army, it was a common name apparently.

937
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: On It sounds so fucking weird to me, though, I

938
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,360
know every time you say it.

939
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,159
Speaker 3: And our boy faking his own death and stealing the

940
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,119
identity of another man, it was virtually impossible to track

941
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:32,760
him down. They finally got a lead though, however, in

942
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:38,119
late nineteen sixteen, finding him in a Serbian hospital recovering

943
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:40,719
from injuries, but by the time they went to make

944
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,400
an arrest, he was gone and placed another decoy body

945
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,360
in the bed swapped his identity.

946
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: Wow, how do you know they were coming? He could

947
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:51,039
just like he had this.

948
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:55,079
Speaker 3: Like sixth sense where anytime they got close, he just bailed.

949
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: This guy.

950
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 4: Is there a movie about him?

951
00:44:57,159 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: I believe so, an American movie.

952
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,599
Speaker 4: No sly based, Okay, yeah, because I'll.

953
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: Be honest, we watched that one European movie about that

954
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,920
other that with Ben Foster that's the Hiss, like the

955
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,519
hero of this area from the Middle Ages, and it

956
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,880
was pretty mid so I need thing. It's called medieval, right,

957
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,159
I think, yeah, I need an American or British film. Yeah, yeah,

958
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:19,760
Like I can't.

959
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 3: I like that movie Ben Foster's.

960
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 4: I think just Ben Foster's makes any of Ben.

961
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: Foster's pretty sweet and Michael Kaine has a cup of

962
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,840
coffee in it. But like, but like it was pretty mid.

963
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 3: You're just you're too harsh. You're like the biggest hitter

964
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,320
in the office. I always get that reputation, but you

965
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,400
are easily the biggest hate.

966
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,159
Speaker 1: It's so fucking untrue. I can't even I'm the im

967
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:42,159
the office optimist.

968
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 4: He's just a realist man.

969
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:45,679
Speaker 1: Now.

970
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: There were several suddens of Kiss in the following years,

971
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,840
in Romania, Turkey, and the French Foreign Legion, but Kiss

972
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,199
was always one step ahead and moved on when he

973
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,400
since they were getting close. The last known side of

974
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:04,760
Kiss happened in nineteen thirty two in New York City.

975
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,599
Independent homicide detective Henry Oswald tracked him down out of

976
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:09,960
a subway in Times Square.

977
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,159
Speaker 1: What how did he even know?

978
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 3: You're he's on the case for years? What he just

979
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,800
like kind of I think he picked up and read

980
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,079
about the story. I need to try an American. Okay,

981
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:26,079
So he came to the conclusion that Kiss was working

982
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:28,760
as a janitor in the city. But by the time

983
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,159
he reported his findings to the police, they went to

984
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:33,760
make or at least interview the man they believed to

985
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,400
be Kiss the janitor was gone and never seen again.

986
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: Oh boy, he had to be getting bodies the whole

987
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,480
time too, right Foor.

988
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:49,559
Speaker 4: You know, wasn't towards the end and was just like so.

989
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: In the thirties, he would have been what in his sixties.

990
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,119
Speaker 3: He was born in seventy seven, Yeah, yeah.

991
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,159
Speaker 1: Okay, so he was in his fifties. I mean that's

992
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:56,800
killing age.

993
00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:00,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Hungarian vampire was never caught in his

994
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:03,159
eventual fate as well as anyone he may have killed

995
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,159
remains unknown.

996
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean, how many bodies do we know for sure?

997
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: Twenty four confirmed on his property.

998
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:15,039
Speaker 1: So twenty four murders. God knows how many on the battlefield,

999
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,039
I guarantee. I bet like double it, double it, not

1000
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,079
even counting battle like killed in war, which is fine.

1001
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: Do you think he shaped him he was like that

1002
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,119
was a weird phase.

1003
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 4: Well maybe, yeah, right.

1004
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: He could also have done that. Yeah, he could have

1005
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:30,960
also been like come over it.

1006
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 4: How is the Uh, it's pretty prolific. The amount twenty

1007
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,599
four is not bad and he's not bad.

1008
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: It's like close to one of the worst in a

1009
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:42,679
short amount of time too.

1010
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, close to one of the worst.

1011
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: The rat stats alone. I mean if we're talking.

1012
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,639
Speaker 3: Like we're talking like nineteen twelve to nineteen fourteen, so.

1013
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: Like twelve the year what was gacy like thirty and

1014
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:55,960
that was like I.

1015
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: Don't even know, you know, this means he had some

1016
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,920
of these women on like his like he had been

1017
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,199
in contact with them since like nineteen oh three. Yeah,

1018
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:04,920
but like but like building up a roster.

1019
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 4: Twenty four bodies on the properties.

1020
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, the first kill was nineteen twelve.

1021
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,639
Speaker 1: That's one a month.

1022
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,559
Speaker 3: And it was his ex wife that he blew up

1023
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:13,320
his other marriage for.

1024
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:17,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, well ex wife and uh and her her bofe.

1025
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:19,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1026
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 4: My weird thing is the American like what finding out

1027
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:24,920
about this?

1028
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: How do you even look?

1029
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: A decade later, a.

1030
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 4: Decade later and finding him supposedly.

1031
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: As a janitor in New York City meeting up on

1032
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,760
I guess that's your your profession, so you're likely he's

1033
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,960
a PI dude. But then what he just like is like,

1034
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,239
I bet he's in America. I mean, it would make sense.

1035
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't really look into that part.

1036
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:45,599
Speaker 1: It would make sense for them to come to the

1037
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:46,280
United States.

1038
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can track people when people were coming

1039
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,159
through Ellis Island and stuff like that, or however.

1040
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,079
Speaker 1: He yeah, wait came.

1041
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah a lot harder, but if you were a detective

1042
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:55,880
at that time, yeah.

1043
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: For sure.

1044
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:59,159
Speaker 3: So a common name that he used in both the

1045
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,679
letters to these women the military he had he had

1046
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,880
a name in alias that he always stuck with, and

1047
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,519
the janitor also had this name. It was Hoffman. Okay,

1048
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:10,480
So I think that.

1049
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,039
Speaker 4: He probably wrote to someone in America or something that.

1050
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 3: Might have been that he was there. He was just

1051
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,840
connecting the dots, like this Hoffman fella from Hungary and

1052
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,039
he was in the French Foreign Legion.

1053
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: I wonder if they were just like, hey, Jim, I

1054
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,719
know you have them fun, but there's like eight real

1055
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,599
murders we have to solve New York.

1056
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, like this guy was.

1057
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,159
Speaker 1: Like maybe another pigeon lady was stabbed at death in

1058
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:36,800
the Bronx. I just get over the Hoffman guy.

1059
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:40,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I swear he's common dude, he's well, I

1060
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:45,280
mean he's probably still in hungry in that fucking village.

1061
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: Or whatever anywhere.

1062
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, go there, I guess, but like just waiting for

1063
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,800
him by the subway bud for years.

1064
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: Like you watched four people get pushed onto the tracks, but.

1065
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 4: It wasn't your Hungarian vampire. So I guess, keep on

1066
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,519
the keep on the case.

1067
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:03,519
Speaker 3: But he got away with it.

1068
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 4: He Yeah, dude, he sounds like, again one of the

1069
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,400
best to ever do it.

1070
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,559
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think we put enough respect on this man.

1071
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:13,119
I've never heard of him until I started doing this episode.

1072
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:16,679
Speaker 1: We literally do not put nearly how many serial killers, Jesse,

1073
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,480
have you done that never that disappeared into the night,

1074
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:20,440
never got caught.

1075
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:25,039
Speaker 4: I mean there's only like Zodiac at this point. Yeah,

1076
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:27,800
because all the other ones, like the big ones, are

1077
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,199
getting caught as like old men, you know what I mean.

1078
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,639
Speaker 1: Even the Golden Gate or gold Golden.

1079
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,639
Speaker 4: States, older State Night Soccer.

1080
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,079
Speaker 3: Even these older like eighteen hundred and nineteen hundred serial

1081
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,320
cos we've done in the past, they usually get caught

1082
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,000
and they get like headed or you know.

1083
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:45,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's other murders from that time period that

1084
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:49,000
like we did the Veliska or however you say axe murders, Yeah,

1085
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:52,079
you know what I mean. But that was just probably

1086
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,800
the one. He just did it that the one spot, yeah,

1087
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,440
and killed like eight people. I mean you know it's

1088
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,960
like almost like more like a mass that was a

1089
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:01,360
traveling the Ripper.

1090
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 4: I think the.

1091
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: Ripper slash you need to do the Austin Servant Girl Annihilator.

1092
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: Because many think it's oh, yeah, Jack the Ripper.

1093
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,039
Speaker 1: Yeah right, they think it's the same guy. Although now

1094
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:13,960
I every once a while you see stuff pop up

1095
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,960
that's like we figured out for sure who Jack the

1096
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:17,440
Ripper was. So was he the goat?

1097
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,519
Speaker 3: I mean he gets all the love.

1098
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 4: When I tell you too that the when they catch them,

1099
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,920
isn't the Golden State killer. When they caught him, yeah,

1100
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:30,039
there was no real satisfaction to it.

1101
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 3: Because he was old.

1102
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 4: Because he was old. And then it was also like

1103
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:38,000
they couldn't really but kind of did right to a couple,

1104
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:42,079
but not all, and you're just kind of like, okay,

1105
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,880
eat a couple, right, I guess with these they.

1106
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: Never get all. And then they they had the one

1107
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,719
guy in prison who obviously didn't get away with it,

1108
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,400
but they just like it was that it's that black

1109
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,679
guy who's the most prolific serial killer in US history,

1110
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,679
who was just like, yeah, it's like a kill like

1111
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,320
one hundred and twenty prostitutes over the years. Yeah, but

1112
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:01,760
they were like and they look into it and they're like,

1113
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,760
oh my god, it's he did right. Yeah, they're like, fuck,

1114
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:06,920
like these are all.

1115
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 4: His Yeah, there's something to that when they're older and

1116
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,159
when they're just like, uh, I don't know, it's not

1117
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,360
there's no you know what I mean, like real right satisfaction.

1118
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,559
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, it's like the guy it's like playing

1119
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:24,559
hide and seek and you can't find him for so

1120
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:26,519
long that the kid, other kid gets bored and he's

1121
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,320
just like, all right, it's mine. All right.

1122
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,119
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're Highty Boulger, you know what I mean,

1123
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:33,559
living in Santa Monica, whatever.

1124
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean.

1125
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 4: We're clearly keeping a low profile.

1126
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: So what Yeah, there's no satisfaction to that.

1127
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 4: No, not, no, we got him. So because they're still saying, no,

1128
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,559
you don't have the evidence because it is so old

1129
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:50,119
and so and you're just kind of like, right, and.

1130
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,039
Speaker 1: He doesn't really lose the whole point is right, he's

1131
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:54,480
supposed to lose his life either by being lockdack or

1132
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:56,519
killed but in the state, and he didn't.

1133
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:57,119
Speaker 4: Right.

1134
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:01,599
Speaker 1: He loves like six years, yeah years, the last ten,

1135
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:03,320
the Laymouth ten. Right.

1136
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 4: So you know this guy when was he born.

1137
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 3: Sorry, eighteen seventy seven.

1138
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,199
Speaker 1: Did most of his work in his thirties.

1139
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 4: He got away with it.

1140
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:16,639
Speaker 3: Was a veteran.

1141
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:20,119
Speaker 1: You're never Yeah. He was like the saint for the

1142
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:23,079
Central Powers, for Australa and krist Yeah, for the for

1143
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:24,920
the outside we fought against in World War One.

1144
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:26,639
Speaker 3: He was an enemy, yeah, the state.

1145
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,159
Speaker 4: Well, thank you for doing a serial killer. I know

1146
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:29,800
you guys don't.

1147
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 3: No. I like when it ties into history though, like

1148
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,880
he literally took a monumental event to escape, like World

1149
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,800
War One. He's like, oh dude, I'm out.

1150
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh he was. That's the perfect exit.

1151
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,639
Speaker 3: So fun and uh what you learned today?

1152
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 4: I learned that even though a story starts with a

1153
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:58,800
mom molester a molester mom, that you could still get

1154
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,239
kind of uh inspired. Yeah, I'm telling you this guy,

1155
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,679
I mean the vanishing.

1156
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,639
Speaker 3: And he never really got red piled until's mistress slash

1157
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,079
future I guess wife.

1158
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know it's not what I learned. It's

1159
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,880
what other serial killers should have learned from him, because

1160
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,079
my god, he did everything. What right would alcohol have them? Made?

1161
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,039
Leave everything? Do you know what I mean? Like, if

1162
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,000
you're leaving and there's any chance for someone to come

1163
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:34,039
into your house, have the maid there, that's like, fully

1164
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,840
everything's going to her. It's her house based, everything's in

1165
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:38,239
her name.

1166
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, swap identities, fake joined.

1167
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 4: The military, right, see, you later.

1168
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 3: Make your old housekeeper the scapegoat.

1169
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, but he's you know, he

1170
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,039
should have written a book.

1171
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 3: Just become fucking better. Call Saul going over to New York,

1172
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:57,639
just living a low life.

1173
00:54:58,199 --> 00:54:59,119
Speaker 1: What's own cinema?

1174
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 3: Essentially it was his time's version of working at cinema.

1175
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I think that's what he was trying to do, right,

1176
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,280
I'm a janner.

1177
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,079
Speaker 1: Nobody looks at you don't look at a Jannet described

1178
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:10,360
to me one janitor's face. You can't do it exactly.

1179
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,159
Speaker 4: He did that, right.

1180
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:11,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1181
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:13,559
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm telling you.

1182
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 3: Who's today's hitler.

1183
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:20,039
Speaker 1: His mom, even though he's I'm not gonna blame his mom.

1184
00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna blame his father for not sexually serving his mother.

1185
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: So it's not really how molestation works. But go on, he.

1186
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,039
Speaker 4: Wasn't around, No, carry on. I mean, if if he

1187
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:33,239
was around, right, you don't do the clips.

1188
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, if his dad was around more, she wouldn't be

1189
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:36,719
able to get.

1190
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:38,639
Speaker 1: Away with it. I guess he would have been there

1191
00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:41,000
to be like, don't do that.

1192
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:48,519
Speaker 4: Child, And that's my job. That's the shitty thing about

1193
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,440
mom molesters. It's like mom's you know, bathing the kid

1194
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,880
or mom's doing You're never like thinking it's weird if

1195
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,039
it's a mom alone, right, Yeah, that's the sinister thing

1196
00:55:59,079 --> 00:55:59,400
about it.

1197
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,119
Speaker 3: If anything, you're just yeah, you take it.

1198
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:02,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, you take care of it. I'm gonna go sit

1199
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:03,360
on the couch. Right.

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00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: Serial killing is murder is like normal to me, right,

1201
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,039
But the mam molists it's such a murdered the betrayal

1202
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:14,039
of trust. But mom molestic is such a insane betrayal

1203
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:18,159
of trust that it's mom wins. Mom wins. Listen, he

1204
00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:21,119
was a tall, handsome fellow. Why didn't he kill her?

1205
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 3: Well, I think by the time he got old enough

1206
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,679
and had that bloodthirst and she was dead.

1207
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,159
Speaker 4: Okay, fair so most of yeah, most of them aren't

1208
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:31,480
able to get back at the mom because it is

1209
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:34,960
all going back to the mom. I think he did

1210
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,800
or uh, gean killed the mom and made her into

1211
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,320
like a lampshade, right, So, but not all of them

1212
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,800
get to like revenge on the mom, so they're taking

1213
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,000
it out on every other woman.

1214
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:51,079
Speaker 1: Was that even revenge or was that like that They're crazy.

1215
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 4: Gan, I don't know if it was revenge or if

1216
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,639
it was like intense obsession with the mom who was

1217
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:01,559
kind of maybe mom molested. We're not really true, right, okay, Uh, I'm.

1218
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: Not well versed in serial killer lore.

1219
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 4: Well, it's always just trying to get back it. Whatever

1220
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,239
your mom did to you, fuck you mom, it's fuck

1221
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,639
you mom. Whether the mom was horrible or did that

1222
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,039
kind of shit or was like you're obsessed with her

1223
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,800
or she's obsessed with you, it's just what you know. Yeah,

1224
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:26,719
the mother son relationship is a real The consequences can

1225
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,400
be dire, right, So you gotta really enjoy it now.

1226
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: Enjoy it now while they just are obsessed with you

1227
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:35,559
to your little babies.

1228
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 4: Because at a certain point you're enough to go, hey, bro,

1229
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,639
you gotta get out of here. Man, I can't be

1230
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:44,440
your best friend. It might be fucking weird. So go

1231
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:48,480
get out there, be independent. I would say maybe the

1232
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:51,639
boyfriend that or the guy that he walked walked in.

1233
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: On awakening the beast, Awakening the beast.

1234
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:57,599
Speaker 4: And again, I always made woman. So it's her fault.

1235
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 3: You lose your woman to an artist?

1236
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and then and then whose fault is it?

1237
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: Right?

1238
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:06,239
Speaker 4: Is it his fault? Her fault?

1239
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,239
Speaker 3: I'm not sure she needed he kind of knew what

1240
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,559
he was getting into with a younger woman.

1241
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:11,599
Speaker 1: She needed someone who understood her. Right. He was as

1242
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:12,960
cold as the tin he sold.

1243
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:13,639
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

1244
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,239
Speaker 3: It happens like that, yeah, really fast. But that is

1245
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,559
the end of Halloween. Hohr Night's Jesse. Thank you for

1246
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:25,760
joining us for this last second spooctacular spacular.

1247
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: I love it.

1248
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 4: I love it. Guys love the show. Like how every

1249
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,760
time I'm on, you just try and out the gate

1250
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,320
and you always do, by the way, whether it's a yeah,

1251
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,280
whether it's a pig lit on fire and thrown.

1252
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,559
Speaker 1: Into understand what's happening to me?

1253
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, But in every episode we.

1254
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: Do the horrific animal murders. We kind of got into

1255
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,320
a bad habit of having you on for those. This

1256
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:55,320
really is by accident. It's not Rob was usually the

1257
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,000
head of those episodes. But you know, we'll get you

1258
00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,039
back to what you do best, and that is serial killers.

1259
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:03,320
And where can the people find you talking about serial killers.

1260
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,679
Speaker 4: You can find me on Crime Corner, audio feed Crime

1261
00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:09,840
Corner with Jesse Wiseman look it up, or on Drinking

1262
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,119
Ro's Patreon. We do video where you can see the

1263
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:17,719
pictures dateline style. But you know you can listen to

1264
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,079
one with delco.

1265
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,599
Speaker 3: On it two or three episodes to.

1266
00:59:21,679 --> 00:59:23,679
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, you've been on the Scott Peterson which, by

1267
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:26,320
the way, that might become a little bit more current. Okay,

1268
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,599
we'll see what's happening, right, might have to rerun that, Yeah,

1269
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:30,519
do a part two.

1270
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 3: And then we did the Safari thing.

1271
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:36,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did the the husband and wife that went

1272
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:40,760
to kill Big Game and the dumb bitch shut yourself

1273
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,079
in the heart, which.

1274
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: Is like women learn how to handle it right.

1275
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 4: And then Bob, we have to have you on for one.

1276
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,960
But I'm not sure it's got to be it's gotta

1277
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,280
be tailored. Yeah, of like what you're into.

1278
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: You know, I I say all the time, I used

1279
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,360
to a I worked for a summer, I was a

1280
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,159
law clerk for a federal death penalty defense lawyer. So

1281
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:10,400
I've read some gnarly cases just like but they're like randoms,

1282
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,079
like I had to like file his shit away and

1283
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:12,599
I would.

1284
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 4: Just get like the ones that didn't make you know.

1285
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:16,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like whatever I remember I asked. I

1286
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:17,159
was like, what are I happen to this guy? Because

1287
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:19,079
he like killed a little girl and killed this like woman.

1288
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:21,000
There's like a picture of the woman with a knife

1289
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,400
in her neck. I didn't see the girl, thankfully, Yeah,

1290
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:25,280
but I was like, what are I happening to this guy?

1291
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,480
He's still in jail, and he's just like, ah, they

1292
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:28,840
killed him fifteen years ago.

1293
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,199
Speaker 4: Oh all right.

1294
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, oh, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool

1295
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,320
cool cool cool. And then obviously I've read many a

1296
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,960
case my mother has left strewn about the house.

1297
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, maybe we can get your expertise.

1298
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:44,559
Speaker 3: He didn't challenge me immediately. On the Japanese episode we

1299
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:47,079
did for Patreon, He's like, I've seen so many like

1300
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,960
awful cases. There's no way you can like exceed this,

1301
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:50,719
and I think I did.

1302
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:52,159
Speaker 4: I most sounds like that.

1303
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: What made me It was just like frustrating that they

1304
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:57,079
just kept getting away with.

1305
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 3: It in their parents' house. Yeah, the parents would like

1306
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,519
pop in and hey, what's going on in here? Like,

1307
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:03,840
don't worry about it, ma'am.

1308
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: In the eighties and the eighties that's what really Morob

1309
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:09,760
and Dad were like, what's what's happening?

1310
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:12,519
Speaker 3: To be fair, they were terrified because he was in

1311
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:13,639
the yakuza.

1312
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 4: For sure, and it you know, it wasn't American eighties, right,

1313
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:19,320
I mean Japanese eighties.

1314
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,559
Speaker 3: Japanese a's was popping.

1315
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:23,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was when actually that was the economic boom

1316
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:25,039
in Japan. That was like their Roaring twenties because that

1317
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:28,760
was when that was when all the Japanese stuff.

1318
01:01:28,679 --> 01:01:30,599
Speaker 3: Electron electronics took off.

1319
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:31,039
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1320
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was when the money was just flying

1321
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:36,639
into Japan. Cars too, I guess.

1322
01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:40,519
Speaker 3: Tune in pictureon dot com slash software history. Well, thanks

1323
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:44,320
for tuning in. We love you guys. For Jesse Wiseman

1324
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,920
and Rob Fox. I'm Damna Chester and you just got

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