WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:00.720 Final day. 2 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:01.960 That's it. 3 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:04.679 Today's the last day you're allowed to say Happy New Year. 4 00:00:05.559 --> 00:00:09.000 Remember that we adhere to the gospel of Larry David 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.400 on the show. So I'm gonna welcome in our next guest, 6 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.519 Stevens and Sylvester, and let him know that I'm wishing 7 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:16.559 him a very happy New Year. But Sly, today's the 8 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:20.239 last day I can say that, man, Just so you know, I. 9 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:23.600 Love how Larry David can control our lives, but I 10 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:27.160 love saying Happy New Year. I actually said a few 11 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:29.559 dead jokes the other day about seeing you in the 12 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:31.359 next New year, So are to see you in the 13 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:34.359 next year? But yeah, man, Happy New Year to you 14 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:34.920 two spence. 15 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:37.320 So, Sly, I always say that New Year's is a 16 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:40.840 young person's holiday. So your boys stayed home and hung out? 17 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:42.520 What would you do? What it looked like in the 18 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:44.600 world of Stephen, Stephens and Sylvester. 19 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.759 Well, my New Year's has always got to be special 20 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:50.240 now for the rest of my life because my wife's birthday, 21 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:52.719 she's a New Year's baby. Oh, I got I gotta, 22 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:55.880 I gotta do stuff on New Year's. But we go 23 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:57.719 back and forth. You know. The last few years we 24 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:01.399 were actually talking about it Rose Bowl, Rose Bowl. I 25 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:04.079 went to Mexico before, San Diego after, so you know, 26 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.480 New Year's has always got to be I don't know 27 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:08.920 if I can do the old man New Year's that 28 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:12.719 much anymore, unless I can convince her to stay home, 29 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:16.280 which is not hard. But I just went out downtown 30 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.799 to Flanker. You know, me, you had to show over there. 31 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.560 I love that place over there. So I just went 32 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:25.079 to Flanker and we had Changing Lanes is a great 33 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:29.239 cover band. They did some amazing songs. The vibe was awesome. 34 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.359 There were so many people there. Everybody was getting in 35 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:34.879 the mix. Nobody dresses up anymore, though, you know, I 36 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:37.439 felt like me and my wife in our table, we 37 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:39.519 were the only group that was dressed up. So I 38 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:41.120 want to know what's going on with all that. 39 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:43.239 That was kind of different, well, respect for going out, 40 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:45.120 and I guess it does hit different when it's your 41 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:45.840 wife's birthday. 42 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:47.040 So happy birthday to her. 43 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:49.239 Glad you had a good time Flanker rules for sure, 44 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:52.040 All right, SLI, Before we get to some of the 45 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:55.359 local stuff. Now that we have the final four, some 46 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:59.239 pretty cool things. I mean, no conference champs in the 47 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:01.920 final four, no teams with first round byes in the 48 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:05.879 final four, and whoever wins the National Championship, it will 49 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:07.599 be the first time for their head coach, which I 50 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.439 think is kind of cool. But now that we're experiencing 51 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:12.599 the twelve team CFP for the first. 52 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:14.840 Time, are you pro are you against? What are your thoughts? 53 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:17.520 Oh? I love it? I love it. I mean just 54 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:20.879 the content alone, you know, it's great. You're giving so 55 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:24.879 many people opportunity, right, Like, only two of these teams 56 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:27.319 that are in the final four would have been in 57 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:30.960 there under the old rule, So I mean giving people 58 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:35.360 an opportunity. There's so much controversy around this, like should 59 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.879 be what you have been in? Should Alabama tried to 60 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:40.560 make a case of them being in, but we saw 61 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:43.599 that they shouldn't have been in. There's just so many 62 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.039 things that this is settling. And of course you're still 63 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:48.439 gonna have questions on whether we should extend it to 64 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:52.000 sixteen or whichever, but at least for the next five 65 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:54.120 six years, I think we should definitely have this model. 66 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.639 I love this model. It was great games. I really 67 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:02.840 really enjoyed her Dame game yesterday. The Arizona State Texas 68 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:08.639 game was absolutely terrific, and it just proved that, you know, 69 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:11.960 you just never know who's whose year it could be, right, 70 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:15.159 and so I just it played out great. I can't 71 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:17.240 wait to see who's going to actually be the champion. 72 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:20.159 And yeah, these guys are playing with it. It's great 73 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:20.960 heart out there, man. 74 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.879 All right, So let's actually get the Stevens and Sylvester 75 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:29.759 opinion on the hot button topic. I feel like ASU Texas, 76 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:33.800 I feel like that's targeting every single time. Well, look, 77 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:35.680 you played I didn't you know, you know, and that 78 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:37.759 was that was a call that really could have set 79 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:40.599 ASU up. Now they've had kicking game problems all year, 80 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:44.879 so there's no guarantee. And I've heard the argument that 81 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:48.680 because of you know, the time of the game, that's 82 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:50.319 not a call you want to make in. 83 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:52.039 Order to don't get me started on that. 84 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.919 Oh okay, good, okay, good, because I'm with you. But look, honestly, 85 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:57.719 you know how I do the show. I try to 86 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:00.680 figure out all angles and I've been listening for a 87 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:02.759 reason that makes sense to me as to why they 88 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:05.439 didn't make the call, and I simply haven't heard it, sly, 89 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:07.879 So give me your opinion on what went down there. 90 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:10.840 Well, I mean, first of all, the referees get to 91 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:15.400 review these things, right, and so in Low Hill, Yeah, 92 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:17.560 Arizona State tried to hire people off the street to 93 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.199 be a kicker, but they had great kicking game in 94 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.639 the conference championship, so I expected them to roll with 95 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:25.120 that and do well if they were set up in 96 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.720 good position. To me, that was targeting, right and to 97 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:31.519 the definition. Now when I played, there was no targeting. 98 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:36.079 Stuff wasn't a thing. The reasons why they probably couldn't 99 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:39.600 have called it because his face was up right, it 100 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:44.199 was like face to him. But per the definition of 101 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:47.519 what we've been able to or been privy to and experienced, 102 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:52.199 very subjective in my conference meetings on how the officials 103 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:55.319 actually officiated, and all depends on the crew that day, 104 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:59.279 which is bizarre. It's not a universal thing. But helmet 105 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:06.120 to helmet con intact on a defenseless receiver is targeting period. 106 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:08.720 That's why I say it's targeting. At that point of 107 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:13.399 the game, you call that call, but I mean, the 108 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:16.120 only reason why you wouldn't is because the defender's face 109 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:18.839 was up It wasn't the crown of the helmet, and 110 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:22.000 so that would be for argument. But if you want 111 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.399 to talk helmet to helmet contact is a definition of 112 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:28.079 targeting that was targeting at a significant point in the game. 113 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:31.040 I understand you let the players play and let that 114 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.800 determine it. Old football, that wouldn't even be a question. 115 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:36.480 But if you're going with these new rules and what 116 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:38.879 it is, then adhere to it as simple as that. 117 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:43.759 So did Arizona State, in your opinion slide answer any 118 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:46.800 questions about the narrative that the Big Twelve didn't. 119 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:47.920 Deserve a bye round one? 120 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.120 I mean, you gotta give Kenny I mean, Kenny Dillingham, 121 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:54.319 my goodness, like herm left that program for dead man. 122 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:58.319 They won three games the year before, and you know, 123 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:01.040 the narrative was no Big Twelve by they're gonna get 124 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:03.360 run by Texas. So even in a loss, did that 125 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:05.120 answer some questions about the conference? 126 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.639 You think, oh, yeah, the conference was tough man and 127 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.959 and and Arizona State, who's picked at the bottom of 128 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.720 the conference, you know, giving Texas a run for the 129 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.800 money and double overtime and we sitting here talking about 130 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:20.639 opportunities where they should have won it. Uh, definitely give 131 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:22.879 it to you. Texas definitely should have beat Georgia and 132 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.920 been conference champion of the SEC and and so like 133 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:29.720 that's just it right there, and so like I hate 134 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:35.319 you know, kirkirk Street. First, take all these guys talking 135 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:38.120 about who should be in there who shouldn't. Hey, look, 136 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:40.600 if you guys put the criteria up and people fit 137 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:42.439 into that criteria, then that's what it is. 138 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:42.600 Now. 139 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:45.439 The fourteen playoff that was some bs because there was 140 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:47.120 a lot of teams that deserved it. You put other 141 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:51.120 people in, but you know, just because of people donors 142 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:54.759 and and respect people's bank accounts, this and that don't 143 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:57.680 negate the play on the field. And I think Arizona 144 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.600 definitely proved themselves to be there, prove that the Big 145 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:04.160 Twelve is worthy of being in these games no matter what. 146 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:08.120 And so even Iowa State, right, they played great against Miami. 147 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:09.959 I know kem Word didn't play in the second half, 148 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.720 but you gotta love rock Gobec. I think the Big 149 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.360 Twelve next year we're gonna have four or five teams 150 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:17.759 that people are gonna be like, have a great shot 151 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:20.240 at being a part of these twelve team playoffs and 152 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:21.000 making some noise. 153 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:24.040 All right, So before we get to the local stuff, 154 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:27.279 it feels like at this point, Ohio State, you know 155 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.279 the old saying like, how good is your ceiling when 156 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:31.560 you are playing at your best? 157 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:32.600 What does that look like? 158 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:35.720 And it feels like Ohio State's best sly is better 159 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.160 than everybody else's best, including Oregon's best. 160 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:39.639 Who is the number one team in the country. 161 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:42.879 Does it feel like this national championship is Ohio State's 162 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:43.160 to lose? 163 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:44.680 And if not, who do you think it can get 164 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:45.120 in their way? 165 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.040 Absolutely not? It's wide open. 166 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:49.560 Oh wow, I love hearing that. 167 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:53.839 Okay, absolutely not Ohio State. We all know that great 168 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:59.040 game plans can help out, you know, certain situations. Plus, 169 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.480 it's hard to beat a team twice. That's why I 170 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.079 didn't like Ohio State being in the same bracket as 171 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:07.720 an Oregon in this because, like, I'm just like, you 172 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:10.439 just didn't give a shot to other people. They've already 173 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:12.800 played Oregon in Ohio State. It was a thriller during 174 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:15.959 the season. I absolutely loved that game. But you know, 175 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:20.920 now you have Notre Dame who had to play Indiana 176 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.120 and then goes on to play Georgia. I think this 177 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:26.040 is wide open, right, And I'm a big proponent and 178 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:31.680 looking at matchups as matchups, right, Not necessarily your rec 179 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:34.759 especially in the playoffs, throw your record out the door, 180 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:38.120 Throw the statistics out the door. They may help you 181 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:41.080 in certain situations as far as the outcome of the game. 182 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:44.000 The playoffs, it's all about grit and who could come 183 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:47.159 with it. You could have a lowly second team guy 184 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:49.360 who gets a start and has the game of his 185 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:52.080 career and he ruins it for the other team, right, 186 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:54.279 the guy that you didn't scout. These are the type 187 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.200 of games. Playoffs is all about matchups and who aligns right. 188 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.840 Right if Ohio State meets a good team that has 189 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:01.960 a and the credible defense as far as like Penn 190 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:04.840 State or even the way Notre Dame played the other day, 191 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.480 like who knows what can happen? And so I say 192 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:12.039 this all the time. No game is won before it's played. 193 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:15.039 Ohio State is very talented, but I do not think 194 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:17.879 that they have the track. This Texas game and the 195 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:21.120 Cotton Bowl is going to be terrific at Att Stadium 196 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:23.519 next week, and I can't wait for it. I think 197 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:26.879 all of these matchups are our premier and can't wait 198 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:28.559 to see who goes to the national championship. 199 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:29.559 All right, let's move over. 200 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:31.960 And I'm glad you said that, because all I want 201 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:34.120 every single time I sit down to watch one of 202 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:35.600 these things, I'm like, just give me a good game. 203 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:36.759 I've got no dog in the fight. 204 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:38.960 So hopefully, yeah, yeah, for sure, hopefully we get some 205 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.120 good games the rest of the way. All right, before 206 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.000 we get to Utah Transfer Portal, you reference BYU, and you. 207 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:45.879 Know what's interesting. 208 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:50.399 There are data points and metrics that indicate BYU may 209 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:53.559 have been overlooked in the process to figure out who 210 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:56.200 should be in this twelve team thing. But they really 211 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.000 weren't slide for whatever reason, and I feel like it's 212 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:01.279 because of the timing of the losses. They lose two 213 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:04.480 of their final three and that Kansas loss at home 214 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:07.120 where you hang thirteen, I mean, that's the one that's 215 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:11.600 gonna cause Killanne sleepless nights during the offseason. But their 216 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:14.440 strength to record, their strength to schedule, their quality wins, 217 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:18.080 they beat a playoff team, they lost to a playoff team. 218 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.000 There are data points that do indicate BYU probably should 219 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.879 have received a little bit more attention and maybe even 220 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:28.600 deserve some inclusion. But you feel like if BYU was 221 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:31.720 allowed entrance to this twelve team CFP, that they would 222 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:33.440 have showed they measured up to the best teams in 223 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:34.320 the country. 224 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:37.639 No question. I mean anybody that they would have played against, 225 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:42.960 whether it was Tennessee, SMU, Notre Dame. I think that 226 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:47.600 they would have been an extremely great add to this 227 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:49.879 the way that they played defense, right, and then when 228 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:52.240 you get to playoff football, it's about defense. When I 229 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.320 got to Pittsburgh, it really solidified itself. I knew it 230 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:58.159 at Utah, but when we were in Pittsburgh and my 231 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:00.919 rookie year and we just had the most elite defense 232 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.600 that a lot of people just couldn't do anything against. 233 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:06.519 Man that that just set the stage. I mean, we 234 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:08.799 lost in the Super Bowl and you could tell the 235 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:13.600 pick six or you know, a muff punt that we 236 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:17.679 didn't recover those little instances. But you know, ultimately it 237 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:20.600 comes down to defense. And b Yu I think has 238 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:23.799 a top five defense in the country, and I think 239 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:27.480 that they would have reigned, especially if Brettslov can get 240 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.000 out of his own way and stop messing things up 241 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:32.879 and they just have a great day. It's anybody, anybody 242 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:36.120 could have a day, right, That's why, like you know, 243 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:38.960 coaches with motivation when we're getting warmed up and getting 244 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:41.799 ready for the game, they say, have a day, right, 245 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.120 Like make sure today's your day to have a day, 246 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:47.559 so any it could be anybody's day. That's why I'm 247 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.720 not giving Ohio State the clean track to the to 248 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.360 the national championship. It could be anybody's day. And I 249 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:56.799 think b YU would have made a great showing not 250 00:11:56.840 --> 00:11:59.000 only for the State of Utah, but for the conference 251 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:01.519 in Big Twelve. And I think they would have did 252 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.240 a great job sticking. 253 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.360 With the BYU side of things. Do you feel like 254 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.320 you know you're one of the Big Twelve? It wasn't 255 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:11.039 all bad, right, I mean, the record clearly was not 256 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:13.519 what they were hoping. But and I'm not a moral 257 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:15.480 victory guy, but you heard a lot of like, hey, 258 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:18.559 we are not far off. All these games were close 259 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:20.960 one score games, and you could call me as a 260 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:23.919 cynic because, like I said, I'm not a moral victory guy. 261 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:25.960 But that proved to be correct because they turned a 262 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:27.600 lot of those ls into wins. 263 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:28.120 Year two. 264 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:32.000 Do you feel like Kilate has built this thing up 265 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:34.960 slide where BYU is now kind of entering the beginning 266 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:38.080 of a really really successful era in the Big twelve, 267 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.519 Like it's not just like a one year you know, 268 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:45.200 stratospheric shot. This is something that consistently can be really 269 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:46.759 good down in Provo for a long time. 270 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:49.440 Well, you got to understand what comes with it, right, 271 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:52.039 What comes with winning is there's both good and bad. Right. 272 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.720 You got the bad where everybody's gunning for you, You're 273 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:57.559 gonna get everybody's best shot, everybody's gonna want to take 274 00:12:57.600 --> 00:12:59.960 you down. And you got to keep out the ego 275 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:01.919 in your locker room. There's a lot of that bad stuff, 276 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.279 but you also got to recognize the good stuff with it, right. 277 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.240 You know, you get ultimate recruiting, you get a lot 278 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.279 of people like they're doing something down there in Byu. 279 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:10.879 That's what I want to be a part of, right, 280 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:15.519 Like they're doing stuff like where they got a winning culture. 281 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.360 They keep things in place. And if I want to 282 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:21.320 have all of bad things and I'm going into something 283 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:23.759 that's already working, right, I don't have to be a 284 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.039 part of a rebuild. You talk about the jazz, right, 285 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:29.399 how awful is that to be a part of a rebuild? Right? 286 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:32.600 And I feel for Jordan Clarkson man these are good 287 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:36.080 years for him and Laurie Marketing as well. Like you're 288 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:38.399 going through rebuild, Like, how do I want to waste 289 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:41.600 years of my career doing that right. And then but 290 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:44.360 like b Yu, they're setting their states right. They did 291 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:47.120 a great job at the end of last season that 292 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:50.679 propelled them into this past season and and it just 293 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.639 helped them out. Red Sluff got the majority of the 294 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:55.159 snaps at the end of the season last year, all 295 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:57.240 off season this year, and he proved to be their 296 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:01.159 starting quarterback and lead them into the great season this year, 297 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.399 right like Cam Rising, took a lot of the reps 298 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:06.399 this offseason and none of our backups did. And we 299 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:09.279 saw what happened right the year before buy you had 300 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:11.279 tons of quarterback issues. You didn't know if it was 301 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:14.440 gonna be Keaton Slovas or one of the other guys. 302 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:16.639 But you know, you see what happens when you have 303 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.679 a stable quarterback throughout the entire year. And so you know, 304 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.399 I'd love to go into a good situation. That's what 305 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:27.399 Kilani's building down there. He's got great head coaches that 306 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:30.399 don't seem like they're gonna retire or move on anytime soon. 307 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.960 He's got great relationships and what I hear over and 308 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:37.200 over and over again from guys that I talk to, 309 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.759 I see all the Utah guys that coaching down there, 310 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:42.120 and I'm like, I hate to see you in this color. 311 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:45.840 This is disgusting, literal hate. I said that to Siony 312 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.919 Pooha after the Utah game. To day He's like, I know, man, 313 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:52.559 but I just love Kialani. The way Kilani is doing 314 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.600 things down here, it's the right way. I gotta support 315 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:58.120 my boy, and they're doing it. And so Kilani is 316 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:01.120 creating from the top down is what it is. Right. 317 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.080 Can your top stay in place and and and be 318 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:07.879 a great infrastructure that kids can adhere to when they 319 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:10.480 come in. You guys are old guys and and and 320 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:13.600 continue to success. And that's what Kilani is doing. He's 321 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:15.879 putting people on the map, giving people their credit as 322 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:19.679 far as Roderick and Jay Hill, and they're just building 323 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:22.759 something down there that that's good. I mean, you just 324 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:24.879 hope that a wrench doesn't get thrown into all that. 325 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:28.159 But at the end of the day, he's doing things progressing. 326 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:30.799 It hasn't been it hasn't been quick. So nobody can 327 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:33.320 look at BYU and say like, oh, this happened over 328 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:35.399 light Like Claut has been trying to do this for 329 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:38.279 ten years and now he's on the right track, and 330 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:42.080 so uh good for him and putting together a good program. 331 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:44.679 And they were able to grab a really good player. 332 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:46.759 Since you and I spoke, Keanu town of Vasa has 333 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.600 elected to head down south about forty miles after a 334 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.799 really good uh stint here at Utah. 335 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:54.639 He's a good kid, man, he's a good player. 336 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.559 This one sting slide, but BYU gets a really really 337 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.240 good player and a very very solid guy. 338 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.399 What was your action when you heard the news? 339 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:05.120 I thought it was I thought it was crap. You know, 340 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:09.159 I was upset about it because it's just like, why 341 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:11.840 why do you leave? Right? And and my whole thing 342 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:14.759 is just like I just want these guys to be honest, right, 343 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.279 just be honest with opinion. I heard Keanu talk about 344 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:23.240 guys leaving. I've interviewed him multiple times this year, talking 345 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:25.480 about how much he loves this program, how much he 346 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.200 loves these people around here, how much x y Z 347 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:31.720 right like and then not only does the season end, 348 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:33.559 do you say that I'm being here in Utah and 349 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:38.120 I'm gonna be at Utah? Man, you go back and 350 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:40.759 and and and jump in the portal and do exactly 351 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:44.960 what you accused or accosted everybody else for doing and 352 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.279 not only do you have the year that we had had, 353 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.879 the game that we played against BYU, and then you 354 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:57.480 signed to BYU. That is that to me is just 355 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:03.240 the worst mix, Like leave, Okay, that's fine, but you 356 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:06.039 can't say that I'm being a Utah Man and then 357 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.440 do that, right. And so this is what I've been doing. 358 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:11.359 You know, since I've been starting my brand line of 359 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.160 Utah Man brand line is I've been talking to all 360 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.039 of these former players from Coach Wit to Morgan's Galley, 361 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:24.759 Sharif Shaw, Luther Ellis, Eric Weddle, Alex Smith, and Rod 362 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:27.400 McBride said it the best I think, And he's just 363 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:31.680 like a Utah Man is all about investment, right, you 364 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:34.400 got to invest in this program from the good and bad. 365 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.359 Ron McBride said, I've been invested in this program since 366 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:40.640 the seventies. My family's been invested in this program since 367 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.880 the seventies. And anybody that leaves the program do they 368 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:50.279 really do they really showcase investment And it's not right. 369 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:54.519 And so yes, Ken Tom Voss is very articulate. Right, 370 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:58.079 I've interviewed him. You guys have heard him. He's great. 371 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:01.079 He's a young guy. So you know, young decisions. I 372 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.000 can't say that I was seventeen eighteen years old and 373 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.359 I'm gonna make great decisions. But when you say something, 374 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:10.240 you got to meet it. And I hope that everybody 375 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:14.880 else holds people accountable for those things, right. And so 376 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:17.680 for me, this all just sounded like a used car 377 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:22.000 salesman bit from him saying that I've communed with the 378 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:25.000 Lord and he told me to leave Utah to go 379 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:28.160 to someone else, to his interviews of him saying that 380 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:32.279 I wasn't wrong that Utah. Nothing was wrong at Utah, 381 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.960 to the point to where at the same statement he 382 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:37.960 goes and says, I just want, you know, to be 383 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.160 around people that you know appreciate me for me, And 384 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:44.359 is that not a shot at he wasn't being appreciated 385 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.079 for him and for him being him at Utah, So 386 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:50.559 like that felt to me like a contradictive statement. Where 387 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:54.319 he played six games this year barring injury, whenever he 388 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:57.680 was injured, he got his starting job back. That showed 389 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:00.640 investment and loyalty from the Utah spart to give to 390 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:04.640 him at that point, right, and then on top of that, 391 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:09.200 after he was injured, he got his job back. But 392 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:11.480 like I don't know, just the whole the whole deal 393 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.039 just stunk up the joint. And look, if you want 394 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:17.319 to make a business decision, make it a business decision. 395 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.079 I hate all these guys giving these freaking two page 396 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:27.279 little chat GBT essays about how I love the university 397 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:30.440 and then go out and just do other things. Just 398 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:32.799 say I'm making a business decision. This feels right, I'm 399 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:35.000 going to do it. I'm good with that. Don't say 400 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:37.119 I commune with the Lord, I love Utah, I'm a 401 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:39.640