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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>A M.

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<v Speaker 2>Six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand on

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<v Speaker 2>the iHeartRadio app. I actually thought it was gonna I

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<v Speaker 2>thought today was supposed to be somewhat sunny.

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<v Speaker 1>It was sprinkly all morning. See what you get for

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<v Speaker 1>thinking that's my problem.

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<v Speaker 2>But by again, by the later this afternoon, there will

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<v Speaker 2>be some more showers coming in through southern California. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's going to be stronger, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be the same style of storm that

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<v Speaker 2>we saw over the last couple of days, with just

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<v Speaker 2>some steady rain. Probably dinner time ish tonight through tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>morning is what we're looking at in terms of the rain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yesterday I had the weirdest, uh, the weirdest rain related

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<v Speaker 2>car issue. I was driving home and I hit a

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<v Speaker 2>puddle on the right side of the car. It was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of in the curb there, and it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>deep puddle. I've seen it before when it rains, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a commonplace for there for a puddle to develop. But

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<v Speaker 2>I hit this puddle and immediately I heard this noise

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<v Speaker 2>on the side of the car, and I realized that

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<v Speaker 2>something from the puddle had gotten jammed up somewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>the wheel well, and it was just kind of making

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<v Speaker 2>this noise, not loud, not crazy loud. There's no place

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<v Speaker 2>for me to pull over and check it out or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. But I got all the way too

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<v Speaker 2>close to my house. I pull over in like a

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<v Speaker 2>Ralph's parking lot, and I get out of the car,

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<v Speaker 2>and I realized that on that side of the car,

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<v Speaker 2>the splash from the puddle had ripped a piece of

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<v Speaker 2>would you call it molding, plastic molding that is that

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<v Speaker 2>runs from the back of the front wheel well just

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<v Speaker 2>along the bottom of the car to the front of

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<v Speaker 2>the back wheel well, so it's like what a four

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<v Speaker 2>maybe five foot piece of plastic, and it had snapped

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<v Speaker 2>off of the front half of that, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of bent under itself and was dragging on the roadway.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole time it was sticking out, nobody said anything

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I passed all kinds of people stopped at

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of stoplights, and nobody did the thing where they're

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<v Speaker 2>like pointing at the hey, hey, that thing is.

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<v Speaker 1>Hanging off of your car. Nobody cares anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>It is it that nobody cares or they they assume

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<v Speaker 2>that I know that there's this giant piece of plastic

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<v Speaker 2>hanging off of my car.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is that nobody cares? I guess, oh, Michelle,

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<v Speaker 1>you're so jaded. I would have said something, well, I hope.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the thing is if there's no way to

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<v Speaker 2>tell and listen, if I was in another car, if

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that on someone else's car and I pull

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<v Speaker 2>up next to him and I roll down the window,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's raining, and just go, hey, you got

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<v Speaker 2>a thing sticking out. It's dragging on the road there.

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<v Speaker 4>And the.

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<v Speaker 2>Best thing they could say is, yeah, I know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to get it fixed right now.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you see somebody with a flat tire, you reach

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<v Speaker 2>out and you point, you go, hey, your tire's flat.

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<v Speaker 2>Because a lot of people don't know what it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like to drive on flat tire these days, because there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many sensors in the car, they assume that the

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<v Speaker 2>car is going to tell them in their car or

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<v Speaker 2>when their tire is flat. It was just as strange

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<v Speaker 2>as that I made it all the way home, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was driving for a good ten to

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes with this thing dragging on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>the car, and I didn't I didn't realize that's what

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<v Speaker 2>that was. Easily snapped back into place the car, you

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<v Speaker 2>would never be able to tell the difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was. It didn't cause any damage.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a couple of scrapes on the bottom of the thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but once you snap it back into place, the scrape

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<v Speaker 2>side of it actually disappears.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the car, so you'll never see it. There's just

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<v Speaker 1>if you see somebody with something hanging off of your car,

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<v Speaker 1>tell them to tell them you sound like Jimmy Stewart.

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<v Speaker 1>My car, my car. Oh just marry. You'll never know.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll never guess what happened to you married? My car?

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<v Speaker 1>Those falling apart. Nobody told me what am I supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to do? Mary? What do you want? Mary? You want me?

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<v Speaker 2>You want to you want to tire that's not flat, Murray,

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<v Speaker 2>Just pull it down from the moon and I'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Give it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Office space is coming to a government agency near you.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you say you do here?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there are thousands of government employees who are

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<v Speaker 2>sitting at a table across from the bobs and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to justify their existence at the bottom of the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk more about what's going on with

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<v Speaker 2>this Department of Government Efficiency and Elon Musk's plan to

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<v Speaker 2>try to trim some of the fat that exists in

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<v Speaker 2>the federal bureaucracy. Why Democrats are so upset about it. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans are letting this guy do what he wants to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And the team of.

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<v Speaker 2>People he's got a core group of people that he

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<v Speaker 2>has I guess deployed, for lack of a better term,

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<v Speaker 2>he deployed to take over some of these agencies and

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<v Speaker 2>to dig into at least the computer codes that exist

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<v Speaker 2>around the Department of the Treasury, the Office of the USAID,

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA. Even so, we'll talk about some of these

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<v Speaker 2>literal kids that are involved with the Department of Government

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<v Speaker 2>Efficiencies Office of Geek Executives. That's okay, you could change that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure somebody is probably going to make a T

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<v Speaker 2>shirt of that. But nothing, there's nothing inherently wrong with

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty year old who is a master coder going

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<v Speaker 2>in and looking at computer codes. I think there's this

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<v Speaker 2>impression that you've got twenty year olds with beer cans

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<v Speaker 2>and chocolate stains on their T shirts going through and

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<v Speaker 2>making decisions about what government agencies and specific workers are

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<v Speaker 2>valuable and are not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what these guys are doing.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're going to start with what's going on with

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<v Speaker 2>this plan for Gaza. Yesterday we were talking about President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's surprise announcement that he wants to turn Gaza into

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<v Speaker 2>the riviw area of them vy era of the or

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<v Speaker 2>of the Middle East. I shouldn't say the Mediterranean, since

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<v Speaker 2>there is already a riviera there, but the the riviera

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<v Speaker 2>of the sorry riviera of the Middle East. I said yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have a plan for this. He's just spitballing here.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently I was wrong. This is something he's talked about

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<v Speaker 2>for months, and in fact may have gotten the idea

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<v Speaker 2>from his son in law, Dimple's Kushner. We'll talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about what's going on with Gaza. We got

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<v Speaker 2>doze a lot of fire coverage from next hour. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of interesting stuff that's coming up about our fires,

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<v Speaker 2>both in Altadena and over in Pacific Palisades. And guests

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<v Speaker 2>who sat down with President Trump yesterday, your Governor Gavin Newsom.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about that conversation late in the show as well.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad your co host said it. Yeah, Gary, nobody

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<v Speaker 4>cares how many cars you drive by on the highway

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<v Speaker 4>that half their front or rear bumper is hanging off.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't care because some people are going to take

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<v Speaker 4>that as, I don't know, an aggressive move these days,

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<v Speaker 4>So to tell people, huh, I guess just got to

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<v Speaker 4>suck it up, brother, I did, and I'm everything's fine, yes.

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<v Speaker 5>But nobody cares what you're having issues with on your car.

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<v Speaker 6>Remember you're in California, self centered land.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point. But but why can't Why does

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<v Speaker 2>it have to be that way? You can't just point

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<v Speaker 2>and say, hey, your your tires flat?

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<v Speaker 1>You got something hanging off your car?

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<v Speaker 6>Gary, I live out in Oxnard. Been listening to you

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<v Speaker 6>all for years. So I once tried to tell someone

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<v Speaker 6>that neither of their break lights were on and we

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<v Speaker 6>were at a stop sign. Stop light, excuse me? And

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<v Speaker 6>I got screamed at for the entire remaining time of

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<v Speaker 6>the red light, because of course I was an idiot

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<v Speaker 6>and I should have known that they knew that both

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<v Speaker 6>of their back break lights are out. Period. I will

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<v Speaker 6>no longer be notifying people of issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't let one, you'll get the I'm telling you, if

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<v Speaker 2>you roll down your window and try to say something,

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<v Speaker 2>people will think you're trying to scream at them, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get the finger.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody cares.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the one guy said that it may be

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<v Speaker 2>seen as an act of aggression.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a little bit over it.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, good morning, Gary. You said you're going to talk

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<v Speaker 7>about the doge thing. Yes, next, Why are people freaking

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<v Speaker 7>out that he wants to have our tax money dwindle

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<v Speaker 7>down to where we may get more money in our

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<v Speaker 7>pockets or enough throwing it away on other people's needs

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<v Speaker 7>somewhere else and not here. I don't understand that for

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<v Speaker 7>the life of me. Why American citizens are upset that

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<v Speaker 7>we're looking into our money being spent on foolish things

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<v Speaker 7>makes no sense at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll talk about it coming up at the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of the hour. But first we know that President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has said that the United States would somehow take control

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<v Speaker 2>of Gaza voluntarily or maybe forcibly, evacuate the two hundred, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>the two million people that live there to other countries

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<v Speaker 2>there throughout the Middle East, even though nobody has said

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<v Speaker 2>that they would accept them Benjaminette Yahoo, the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel loves the idea you have to rebuild Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to rebuild Gaza, you can't have.

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<v Speaker 8>This is the first good idea that I've heard.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a remarkable idea, and I think it should be

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<v Speaker 5>really pursued.

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<v Speaker 2>And yesterday we were saying, I was saying specifically that

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<v Speaker 2>this is not a thought out plan.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just sort of a pie in the sky thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also in terms of negotiations for what the future

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<v Speaker 2>of Gaza looks like. It's an opportunity for Trump to

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<v Speaker 2>do what he has done in the past and make

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<v Speaker 2>a big, bold statement and then use that as the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of whatever negotiation he has in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I said there's no plan to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people are saying there is a plan because he

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<v Speaker 2>posted on truth Social today and I quote the Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>Strip would be turned over to the United States by

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<v Speaker 2>Israel at the conclusion of fighting. The Palestinians would have

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<v Speaker 2>already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities

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<v Speaker 2>with new and modern homes in the region. They would

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<v Speaker 2>actually have a chance to be happy, safe and free.

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<v Speaker 2>The US working with great development teams from all over

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<v Speaker 2>the world would slowly and carefully begin the construction of

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<v Speaker 2>what would become one of the greatest and most spectacular

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<v Speaker 2>developments of its kind on Earth. No soldiers by the

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<v Speaker 2>US would be needed. Stability for the stability for the

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<v Speaker 2>region would reign. Now that's not a detailed plan, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is more than just saying it's going to turn

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<v Speaker 2>into the riviera of the Middle East. So there's an

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<v Speaker 2>article in The Telegraph, the London newspaper that says that

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<v Speaker 2>this plan is something that's been rattling around his big

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<v Speaker 2>brain for some time. About a year ago, Jared Kushner,

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<v Speaker 2>first son in law Dimple's Kushner, who in the previous

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<v Speaker 2>administration was a Special Envoy to the Middle East, he

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<v Speaker 1>He did that last week.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Wall Street Journal, Trump told net Yahoo months

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like, whatever however it materializes, could potentially just

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<v Speaker 1>But there are ways, it seems that it could be done. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Later later last year, I should say, all right, what

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<v Speaker 2>Say you do here? The bobs are running amok. When

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to the federal government, we'll talk about what

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<v Speaker 2>DOJE is. And this team of very young but very

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<v Speaker 2>smart young people who are at the center of this

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<v Speaker 2>government takeover. It's a little harsh, but this government cleanup,

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<v Speaker 2>for some quick dental work. Economic losses from the fires

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<v Speaker 2>they tore through La County could range from ninety five

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<v Speaker 2>natural disaster in history. The Eton Fire and the Palisades

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seven thousand acres, destroyed sixteen thousand structures, including more

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<v Speaker 2>Thousands of people have gotten off of the island and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel better that I'm not the only one who

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<v Speaker 10>Hey gear bear, hey, on the freeway with a car problem, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>I would have said something. I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>We both got it. But he was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>Oje is burrowing into different parts of the government and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to root out different waste in the government. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course it's the agency, this pseudo government agency that's

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<v Speaker 2>terms of people bad mouthing Elon Musk because he's a

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<v Speaker 2>billionaire that that somehow means that he doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>United States best interests at heart. And at the center

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<v Speaker 2>of all of what DOGE is doing is a group of.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're all men legally, but this group of

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty four, they don't have very much, if any,

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<v Speaker 2>government experience, and now they're playing critical roles in the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Government Efficiency because the Executive Order says that

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<v Speaker 2>maximize government efficiency and productivity. They all hold jobs with DOGE.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all weird job titles, and at least one of

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<v Speaker 2>these guys is working completely as a volunteer. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about who they are. Akash Boba, Edward Korustein, Luke Farrator,

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<v Speaker 2>Gatti a cole Killian, Gavin Kleiger, and Ethan Shautran Wired

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<v Speaker 2>Magazine put together sort of a profile of each of

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<v Speaker 1>Edward Corsateam.

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<v Speaker 2>May have just recently graduated from high school and was

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<v Speaker 2>to have been enrolled at Northeastern University. According to a

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<v Speaker 2>copy of his resume, he spent three months at Neuralink,

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<v Speaker 2>which of course is the brain computer interface company that

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<v Speaker 2>Elon must put together. Both of these guys are listed

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<v Speaker 2>in records as experts at OPM and they report directly

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<v Speaker 2>Scales previously worked on talent for Xai, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>artificial intelligence company The Elon must put together. Employees at

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<v Speaker 2>General Services Administration have said that Corstein has appeared on

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<v Speaker 2>calls where workers were made to go over code they

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<v Speaker 2>had written and to justify their jobs, which of course

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<v Speaker 2>brings up the old office space meme.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you say you do here?

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<v Speaker 2>Coursu Teine also added to a call with GSA staff

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Luke Ferrator, another one of these was working GSA email

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<v Speaker 2>has a working GSA email address. A former intern at SpaceX,

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<v Speaker 2>currently a Field Fellow, according to his LinkedIn, dropped out

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<v Speaker 2>of the UNI Diversity of Nebraska, Lincoln. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>was part of an award winning team that deciphered portions

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<v Speaker 2>These are not dumb people. We're talking about this Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Government Efficiency. What is it actually doing while it's

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<v Speaker 2>going through these different agencies?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Gary, I used to live right across the street

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<v Speaker 3>from SpaceX.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, he had them kids out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Designing that super tunnel. Get down for Dodger Stadium to

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<v Speaker 3>downtown Los Angeles or just a whole infrastructure on how

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<v Speaker 3>that is. That's what he does, man, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>kids are super smart like that, So I don't see

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<v Speaker 3>no problem with the young minds trying to come up

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do know.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, Gary, if Biden brought Bill Gates and and a

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<v Speaker 8>bunch of twenty year olds to do the same thing

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<v Speaker 8>Elon Musk is doing with that had been okay, I

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<v Speaker 8>don't think so. I don't think it's okay what Elon's doing.

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<v Speaker 8>They're not government employees. It just seems wrong and probably

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, when it comes to that, I have been pretty

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's a member of Congress, whether it's a member

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<v Speaker 2>of a bureaucracy, or whatever it is. We are the

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<v Speaker 2>have about what's going on, I think is a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you agree with or don't agree with whatever

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<v Speaker 2>funding exists at USAID or any of these other groups,

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<v Speaker 2>then that will determine how you vote for people And

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<v Speaker 2>like it or not, whether we voted for him or not,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy in the White House is the one who's

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<v Speaker 2>in charge. It was the same thing for Biden, it's

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<v Speaker 2>of people who obviously do not like this. What they

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<v Speaker 2>refer to us a takeover democracy.

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<v Speaker 5>We're witnessing an assault on our democracy, make no mistake,

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<v Speaker 5>and the Congressional Progressive Caucus will fight at every opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Mark Warner, for example, You've got folks we don't

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<v Speaker 7>Looking at potentially all of our personal information, all of

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<v Speaker 1>Flows that go out of Treasury.

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<v Speaker 7>The Banking Committee needs to bring up the those folks

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<v Speaker 1>Treasury and have them testify.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, speaking of the new Secretary of the Treasury, Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Besson says, nobody's tampering with anything. Nobody's got access to

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<v Speaker 2>any of the personal information that is being talked about

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<v Speaker 5>Our payment system is not being touched in terms of

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<v Speaker 5>payments being stopped. That is happening upstream at the department

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<v Speaker 5>level at Treasury. Our motto is to move deliberately and

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<v Speaker 2>I will say this, there has to be Congressional oversight

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<v Speaker 2>on this, Democrats have an opportunity to invite I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if they're going to subpoena, but they can obviously

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<v Speaker 2>invite Elon Musk and anybody else at DOGE to come

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<v Speaker 2>testify before them. But it's incumbent upon Republicans to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that he does do that. Now, going down this

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<v Speaker 2>been unleashed on these different agencies. Gavin Kleiger is a

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<v Speaker 2>of OPM Office of Personnel and Management, who's listed in

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<v Speaker 2>internal records as a special advisor to the Director for

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<v Speaker 2>Information Technology. This guy was at UC Berkeley until a

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<v Speaker 2>few years ago. He worked for the company the AI

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<v Speaker 2>company Data Bricks. He talks about his support for conservative politicians.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote a paper apparently in favor of Matt Gates

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<v Speaker 2>that's thinking ship Pete Hegseth as well. Cole Killian is

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who also has an email associated with dough.

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<v Speaker 2>She's currently listed as a volunteer on his resume says

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<v Speaker 2>he attended McGill University through at least twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>graduated high school back in twenty nineteen. His personal website

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<v Speaker 2>also shows that he worked as an engineer at Jump Trading,

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<v Speaker 2>specializing in algorithmic and high frequency financial trades. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the last guy in this group, Ethan Shautran, told Business

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<v Speaker 2>Insider a few months ago he was a senior at

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard studying computer science and also the founder of an

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<v Speaker 2>open ai backed startup called energize Ai. He was the

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<v Speaker 2>runner up in a hackathon that was held by Musk's

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<v Speaker 2>AI company. They said he received about one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars grand from open Ai to build a scheduling assistant

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<v Speaker 2>that he had come up with. Now, most of these

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<v Speaker 2>guys have working GSA emails and a Suite level clearance,

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<v Speaker 2>which means they work out of the agency's top floor,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have access to physical bass and some IT systems.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not clear when they have the access to

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<v Speaker 2>the IT system. Is it what Scott Bessen said at Treasury,

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<v Speaker 2>which is they're just read only. They can't change anything,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't access information, personal information that would be available

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<v Speaker 2>or is it more than that? Now, if it's more

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<v Speaker 2>than that, that's a massive problem. And they got to

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<v Speaker 2>figure that stuff out, because that kind of information wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily have anything to do with working on government efficiency.

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<v Speaker 2>If these guys are just computer coders, more power to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's stop with this belief that somehow outside eyeballs on

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<v Speaker 2>what the government is doing is inherently bad. It's actually

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<v Speaker 2>inherently good. These things need to be exposed. We have

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<v Speaker 2>to know what the government is spending money on for

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<v Speaker 2>us to make decisions about who we're going to put

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