Speaker 1: This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2: Six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand on
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. I actually thought it was gonna I
Speaker 2: thought today was supposed to be somewhat sunny.
Speaker 1: It was sprinkly all morning. See what you get for
Speaker 1: thinking that's my problem.
Speaker 2: But by again, by the later this afternoon, there will
Speaker 2: be some more showers coming in through southern California. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's going to be stronger, but it
Speaker 2: is going to be the same style of storm that
Speaker 2: we saw over the last couple of days, with just
Speaker 2: some steady rain. Probably dinner time ish tonight through tomorrow
Speaker 2: morning is what we're looking at in terms of the rain.
Speaker 2: Yesterday I had the weirdest, uh, the weirdest rain related
Speaker 2: car issue. I was driving home and I hit a
Speaker 2: puddle on the right side of the car. It was
Speaker 2: sort of in the curb there, and it's not a
Speaker 2: deep puddle. I've seen it before when it rains, it's
Speaker 2: a commonplace for there for a puddle to develop. But
Speaker 2: I hit this puddle and immediately I heard this noise
Speaker 2: on the side of the car, and I realized that
Speaker 2: something from the puddle had gotten jammed up somewhere in
Speaker 2: the wheel well, and it was just kind of making
Speaker 2: this noise, not loud, not crazy loud. There's no place
Speaker 2: for me to pull over and check it out or
Speaker 2: anything like that. But I got all the way too
Speaker 2: close to my house. I pull over in like a
Speaker 2: Ralph's parking lot, and I get out of the car,
Speaker 2: and I realized that on that side of the car,
Speaker 2: the splash from the puddle had ripped a piece of
Speaker 2: would you call it molding, plastic molding that is that
Speaker 2: runs from the back of the front wheel well just
Speaker 2: along the bottom of the car to the front of
Speaker 2: the back wheel well, so it's like what a four
Speaker 2: maybe five foot piece of plastic, and it had snapped
Speaker 2: off of the front half of that, so it was
Speaker 2: kind of bent under itself and was dragging on the roadway.
Speaker 2: The whole time it was sticking out, nobody said anything
Speaker 2: to me. I passed all kinds of people stopped at
Speaker 2: plenty of stoplights, and nobody did the thing where they're
Speaker 2: like pointing at the hey, hey, that thing is.
Speaker 1: Hanging off of your car. Nobody cares anymore?
Speaker 2: It is it that nobody cares or they they assume
Speaker 2: that I know that there's this giant piece of plastic
Speaker 2: hanging off of my car.
Speaker 3: And I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, is that nobody cares? I guess, oh, Michelle,
Speaker 1: you're so jaded. I would have said something, well, I hope.
Speaker 2: So that's the thing is if there's no way to
Speaker 2: tell and listen, if I was in another car, if
Speaker 2: I saw that on someone else's car and I pull
Speaker 2: up next to him and I roll down the window,
Speaker 2: even if it's raining, and just go, hey, you got
Speaker 2: a thing sticking out. It's dragging on the road there.
Speaker 4: And the.
Speaker 2: Best thing they could say is, yeah, I know, I'm
Speaker 2: going to get it fixed right now.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: If you see somebody with a flat tire, you reach
Speaker 2: out and you point, you go, hey, your tire's flat.
Speaker 2: Because a lot of people don't know what it feels
Speaker 2: like to drive on flat tire these days, because there's
Speaker 2: so many sensors in the car, they assume that the
Speaker 2: car is going to tell them in their car or
Speaker 2: when their tire is flat. It was just as strange
Speaker 2: as that I made it all the way home, and
Speaker 2: I mean I was driving for a good ten to
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes with this thing dragging on the side of
Speaker 2: the car, and I didn't I didn't realize that's what
Speaker 2: that was. Easily snapped back into place the car, you
Speaker 2: would never be able to tell the difference.
Speaker 1: Like it was. It didn't cause any damage.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of scrapes on the bottom of the thing,
Speaker 2: but once you snap it back into place, the scrape
Speaker 2: side of it actually disappears.
Speaker 1: Under the car, so you'll never see it. There's just
Speaker 1: if you see somebody with something hanging off of your car,
Speaker 1: tell them to tell them you sound like Jimmy Stewart.
Speaker 1: My car, my car. Oh just marry. You'll never know.
Speaker 1: You'll never guess what happened to you married? My car?
Speaker 1: Those falling apart. Nobody told me what am I supposed
Speaker 1: to do? Mary? What do you want? Mary? You want me?
Speaker 2: You want to you want to tire that's not flat, Murray,
Speaker 2: Just pull it down from the moon and I'll.
Speaker 1: Give it to you.
Speaker 2: Office space is coming to a government agency near you.
Speaker 1: What would you say you do here?
Speaker 2: I mean there are thousands of government employees who are
Speaker 2: sitting at a table across from the bobs and trying
Speaker 2: to justify their existence at the bottom of the hour,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk more about what's going on with
Speaker 2: this Department of Government Efficiency and Elon Musk's plan to
Speaker 2: try to trim some of the fat that exists in
Speaker 2: the federal bureaucracy. Why Democrats are so upset about it. Right,
Speaker 2: Republicans are letting this guy do what he wants to do.
Speaker 1: And the team of.
Speaker 2: People he's got a core group of people that he
Speaker 2: has I guess deployed, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 2: he deployed to take over some of these agencies and
Speaker 2: to dig into at least the computer codes that exist
Speaker 2: around the Department of the Treasury, the Office of the USAID,
Speaker 2: the CIA. Even so, we'll talk about some of these
Speaker 2: literal kids that are involved with the Department of Government
Speaker 2: Efficiencies Office of Geek Executives. That's okay, you could change that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure somebody is probably going to make a T
Speaker 2: shirt of that. But nothing, there's nothing inherently wrong with
Speaker 2: a twenty year old who is a master coder going
Speaker 2: in and looking at computer codes. I think there's this
Speaker 2: impression that you've got twenty year olds with beer cans
Speaker 2: and chocolate stains on their T shirts going through and
Speaker 2: making decisions about what government agencies and specific workers are
Speaker 2: valuable and are not.
Speaker 1: That's not what these guys are doing.
Speaker 2: But we're going to start with what's going on with
Speaker 2: this plan for Gaza. Yesterday we were talking about President
Speaker 2: Trump's surprise announcement that he wants to turn Gaza into
Speaker 2: the riviw area of them vy era of the or
Speaker 2: of the Middle East. I shouldn't say the Mediterranean, since
Speaker 2: there is already a riviera there, but the the riviera
Speaker 2: of the sorry riviera of the Middle East. I said yesterday,
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a plan for this. He's just spitballing here.
Speaker 2: Apparently I was wrong. This is something he's talked about
Speaker 2: for months, and in fact may have gotten the idea
Speaker 2: from his son in law, Dimple's Kushner. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about what's going on with Gaza. We got
Speaker 2: doze a lot of fire coverage from next hour. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of interesting stuff that's coming up about our fires,
Speaker 2: both in Altadena and over in Pacific Palisades. And guests
Speaker 2: who sat down with President Trump yesterday, your Governor Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that conversation late in the show as well.
Speaker 4: I'm glad your co host said it. Yeah, Gary, nobody
Speaker 4: cares how many cars you drive by on the highway
Speaker 4: that half their front or rear bumper is hanging off.
Speaker 4: We don't care because some people are going to take
Speaker 4: that as, I don't know, an aggressive move these days,
Speaker 4: So to tell people, huh, I guess just got to
Speaker 4: suck it up, brother, I did, and I'm everything's fine, yes.
Speaker 5: But nobody cares what you're having issues with on your car.
Speaker 6: Remember you're in California, self centered land.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. But but why can't Why does
Speaker 2: it have to be that way? You can't just point
Speaker 2: and say, hey, your your tires flat?
Speaker 1: You got something hanging off your car?
Speaker 6: Gary, I live out in Oxnard. Been listening to you
Speaker 6: all for years. So I once tried to tell someone
Speaker 6: that neither of their break lights were on and we
Speaker 6: were at a stop sign. Stop light, excuse me? And
Speaker 6: I got screamed at for the entire remaining time of
Speaker 6: the red light, because of course I was an idiot
Speaker 6: and I should have known that they knew that both
Speaker 6: of their back break lights are out. Period. I will
Speaker 6: no longer be notifying people of issues.
Speaker 2: Don't let one, you'll get the I'm telling you, if
Speaker 2: you roll down your window and try to say something,
Speaker 2: people will think you're trying to scream at them, you're
Speaker 2: going to get the finger.
Speaker 1: Nobody cares.
Speaker 2: I mean, the one guy said that it may be
Speaker 2: seen as an act of aggression.
Speaker 1: I think that's a little bit over it.
Speaker 7: Hey, good morning, Gary. You said you're going to talk
Speaker 7: about the doge thing. Yes, next, Why are people freaking
Speaker 7: out that he wants to have our tax money dwindle
Speaker 7: down to where we may get more money in our
Speaker 7: pockets or enough throwing it away on other people's needs
Speaker 7: somewhere else and not here. I don't understand that for
Speaker 7: the life of me. Why American citizens are upset that
Speaker 7: we're looking into our money being spent on foolish things
Speaker 7: makes no sense at all.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll talk about it coming up at the bottom
Speaker 2: of the hour. But first we know that President Trump
Speaker 2: has said that the United States would somehow take control
Speaker 2: of Gaza voluntarily or maybe forcibly, evacuate the two hundred, sorry,
Speaker 2: the two million people that live there to other countries
Speaker 2: there throughout the Middle East, even though nobody has said
Speaker 2: that they would accept them Benjaminette Yahoo, the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: of Israel loves the idea you have to rebuild Gaza.
Speaker 2: If you want to rebuild Gaza, you can't have.
Speaker 8: This is the first good idea that I've heard.
Speaker 5: It's a remarkable idea, and I think it should be
Speaker 5: really pursued.
Speaker 2: And yesterday we were saying, I was saying specifically that
Speaker 2: this is not a thought out plan.
Speaker 1: This is just sort of a pie in the sky thing.
Speaker 2: It's also in terms of negotiations for what the future
Speaker 2: of Gaza looks like. It's an opportunity for Trump to
Speaker 2: do what he has done in the past and make
Speaker 2: a big, bold statement and then use that as the
Speaker 2: beginning of whatever negotiation he has in mind.
Speaker 1: I said there's no plan to it.
Speaker 2: Some people are saying there is a plan because he
Speaker 2: posted on truth Social today and I quote the Gaza
Speaker 2: Strip would be turned over to the United States by
Speaker 2: Israel at the conclusion of fighting. The Palestinians would have
Speaker 2: already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities
Speaker 2: with new and modern homes in the region. They would
Speaker 2: actually have a chance to be happy, safe and free.
Speaker 2: The US working with great development teams from all over
Speaker 2: the world would slowly and carefully begin the construction of
Speaker 2: what would become one of the greatest and most spectacular
Speaker 2: developments of its kind on Earth. No soldiers by the
Speaker 2: US would be needed. Stability for the stability for the
Speaker 2: region would reign. Now that's not a detailed plan, but
Speaker 2: it is more than just saying it's going to turn
Speaker 2: into the riviera of the Middle East. So there's an
Speaker 2: article in The Telegraph, the London newspaper that says that
Speaker 2: this plan is something that's been rattling around his big
Speaker 2: brain for some time. About a year ago, Jared Kushner,
Speaker 2: first son in law Dimple's Kushner, who in the previous
Speaker 2: administration was a Special Envoy to the Middle East, he
Speaker 2: said that he would in the when it comes to
Speaker 2: the future of Gaza, look at other places around the
Speaker 2: world that have been developed a long coastline like Gaza,
Speaker 2: and he said that Gaza possessed very valuable waterfront property
Speaker 2: and could become a hub for tourism, that is, if
Speaker 2: the people of Gaza were relocated, at least temporarily out
Speaker 2: of the area. Now he's talking in Miami's referring to
Speaker 2: the offices of his investment firm, Affinity Partners, and he
Speaker 2: said at the time, I'm not sure anybody's talking about it,
Speaker 2: but it's a great idea.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Yesterday morning, sorry, Tuesday morning, after Trump talked about the
Speaker 2: plans for Gaza, the world was barely talking about anything else.
Speaker 2: Monday morning, when he was waiting for Benjamin Nett Yahoo
Speaker 2: to arrive White House, Aids told mister Trump that rebuilding
Speaker 2: Gaza would take about fifteen years, and Steve Whitkoff, who
Speaker 2: is the new envoy to the Middle East, said, just
Speaker 2: the cleanup process, when you're talking about removing debris from
Speaker 2: what is it sixteen months of Israeli bombing would take years.
Speaker 9: The disposal effort in Gaza is we estimate three to
Speaker 9: five years just to dispose of all the things before
Speaker 9: you can look down but believe beneath the surface of
Speaker 9: the soil, and then before you get a master plan done.
Speaker 2: By the way, Steve Whitcoff one of the first Western
Speaker 2: officials to actually walk through areas of Gaza.
Speaker 1: He did that last week.
Speaker 2: According to Wall Street Journal, Trump told net Yahoo months
Speaker 2: ago that the Gaza strip was a prime piece of
Speaker 2: real estate and that he should think about what kind
Speaker 2: of hotels could be constructed there. So this plan, whatever
Speaker 2: it looks like, whatever however it materializes, could potentially just
Speaker 2: be like I said the beginning of the negotiation plan,
Speaker 2: that would be his style.
Speaker 1: But there are ways, it seems that it could be done. Again.
Speaker 2: You've got to get whatever Middle East states, whether it's Jordan, Syria, Egypt,
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, you've got to get more than just a
Speaker 2: couple of them to agree to resettle two million Palestinians.
Speaker 2: And no one is on board with that now because,
Speaker 2: among other things, taking away Gaza from Palestinians would mean
Speaker 2: there is no two state solution, and most of those
Speaker 2: other Middle East states have said that they want a
Speaker 2: two state solution. Side note, Benjamin Netanyahu apparently gave the
Speaker 2: president a golden pager at this visit this week, a
Speaker 2: sort of a nod towards the detonation of those pagers
Speaker 2: in the hands of the Hesbalah operatives earlier in the year.
Speaker 1: Later later last year, I should say, all right, what
Speaker 1: is it you.
Speaker 2: Say you do here? The bobs are running amok. When
Speaker 2: it comes to the federal government, we'll talk about what
Speaker 2: DOJE is. And this team of very young but very
Speaker 2: smart young people who are at the center of this
Speaker 2: government takeover. It's a little harsh, but this government cleanup,
Speaker 2: that's what we'll call it. Shannon's out today, back tomorrow
Speaker 2: for some quick dental work. Economic losses from the fires
Speaker 2: they tore through La County could range from ninety five
Speaker 2: billion up to one hundred and sixty four billion. This
Speaker 2: is a new report from a couple of UCLA economists.
Speaker 2: I mean that it would mean that these fires here
Speaker 2: in southern California last month would be the second costliest
Speaker 2: natural disaster in history. The Eton Fire and the Palisades
Speaker 2: Fire killed at least twenty nine people, burn more than
Speaker 2: thirty seven thousand acres, destroyed sixteen thousand structures, including more
Speaker 2: than eleven thousand single family homes. And if you're just
Speaker 2: talking about the insured losses, they're talking about seventy five
Speaker 2: billion dollars. We'll talk next hour a little bit more
Speaker 2: about some of the fire stuff, including what the LAUSD
Speaker 2: is going to do to fast track rebuilding some of
Speaker 2: the schools, especially over the Palisades area, and then also
Speaker 2: the EPA and where they're going to be putting together
Speaker 2: a household hazardous waste of facility as they try to
Speaker 2: clean out what's left of the palisades. A state of
Speaker 2: emergency has been declared on the Greek island of Santorini.
Speaker 2: It's been rattled, we told you, by dozens of earthquakes
Speaker 2: over the last several days, but a strong earthquake, a
Speaker 2: five point two is the most powerful to have hit
Speaker 2: that island in recent weeks. It happened at a depth
Speaker 2: of about three miles, and as we know that that's
Speaker 2: a pretty good shaker that you could feel pretty well.
Speaker 2: Thousands of people have gotten off of the island and
Speaker 2: some of the neighboring islands and the GNC because they're
Speaker 2: afraid that they a massive earthquake is about to hit
Speaker 2: that could bring a tsunami, even a volcanic eruption. Perhaps, well,
Speaker 2: I feel better that I'm not the only one who
Speaker 2: would have pointed something out if my car was trailing
Speaker 2: a giant piece of plastic.
Speaker 10: Hey gear bear, hey, on the freeway with a car problem, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I would have said something. I know a lot of
Speaker 10: people really don't care, but I know sometimes.
Speaker 1: We both got it. But he was going to be
Speaker 1: nice to me, I think, And here it goes.
Speaker 2: Oje is burrowing into different parts of the government and
Speaker 2: trying to root out different waste in the government. And
Speaker 2: of course it's the agency, this pseudo government agency that's
Speaker 2: led by Elon Musk. We talked about it yesterday in
Speaker 2: terms of people bad mouthing Elon Musk because he's a
Speaker 2: billionaire that that somehow means that he doesn't have the
Speaker 2: United States best interests at heart. And at the center
Speaker 2: of all of what DOGE is doing is a group of.
Speaker 1: Kids.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're all men legally, but this group of
Speaker 2: about six young men, all between the ages of nineteen
Speaker 2: and twenty four, they don't have very much, if any,
Speaker 2: government experience, and now they're playing critical roles in the
Speaker 2: Department of Government Efficiency because the Executive Order says that
Speaker 2: DOGE is tasked with modernizing federal technology and software to
Speaker 2: maximize government efficiency and productivity. They all hold jobs with DOGE.
Speaker 2: They're all weird job titles, and at least one of
Speaker 2: these guys is working completely as a volunteer. So let's
Speaker 2: talk about who they are. Akash Boba, Edward Korustein, Luke Farrator,
Speaker 2: Gatti a cole Killian, Gavin Kleiger, and Ethan Shautran Wired
Speaker 2: Magazine put together sort of a profile of each of
Speaker 2: these guys and to give you an idea of what
Speaker 2: it is that they are doing. Akash Bolba went to Berkeley.
Speaker 2: He won the Management, Entrepreneurship and Technology Sorry, he was
Speaker 2: in that program. According to a copy of his now
Speaker 2: deleted linked in, he was an investment engineering intern at
Speaker 2: the Bridgewater Associate's Hedge Fund as of last spring, an
Speaker 2: intern at Meta, an intern at Pallenteer also featured guest
Speaker 2: on a podcast with Aman Manazer, an engineer who interviews
Speaker 2: engineers about how they land their dream jobs. He talked
Speaker 2: about those experiences in a podcast last June.
Speaker 1: Edward Corsateam.
Speaker 2: May have just recently graduated from high school and was
Speaker 2: to have been enrolled at Northeastern University. According to a
Speaker 2: copy of his resume, he spent three months at Neuralink,
Speaker 2: which of course is the brain computer interface company that
Speaker 2: Elon must put together. Both of these guys are listed
Speaker 2: in records as experts at OPM and they report directly
Speaker 2: to Amanda Scales, which is a new chief of staff.
Speaker 2: Scales previously worked on talent for Xai, which is the
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence company The Elon must put together. Employees at
Speaker 2: General Services Administration have said that Corstein has appeared on
Speaker 2: calls where workers were made to go over code they
Speaker 2: had written and to justify their jobs, which of course
Speaker 2: brings up the old office space meme.
Speaker 1: What would you say you do here?
Speaker 2: Coursu Teine also added to a call with GSA staff
Speaker 2: members using a non government Gmail address, and they were
Speaker 2: not given an explanation as to why who he was
Speaker 2: or why he was even on the call.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Luke Ferrator, another one of these was working GSA email
Speaker 2: has a working GSA email address. A former intern at SpaceX,
Speaker 2: currently a Field Fellow, according to his LinkedIn, dropped out
Speaker 2: of the UNI Diversity of Nebraska, Lincoln. This is a
Speaker 2: guy who, while he was at University of Nebraska Lincoln,
Speaker 2: was part of an award winning team that deciphered portions
Speaker 2: of an ancient Greek scholl a scroll using artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: These are not dumb people. We're talking about this Department
Speaker 2: of Government Efficiency. What is it actually doing while it's
Speaker 2: going through these different agencies?
Speaker 3: Hey, Gary, I used to live right across the street
Speaker 3: from SpaceX.
Speaker 1: Man, he had them kids out there.
Speaker 3: Designing that super tunnel. Get down for Dodger Stadium to
Speaker 3: downtown Los Angeles or just a whole infrastructure on how
Speaker 3: that is. That's what he does, man, you know, and
Speaker 3: kids are super smart like that, So I don't see
Speaker 3: no problem with the young minds trying to come up
Speaker 3: with new ideals.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do know.
Speaker 8: Hey, Gary, if Biden brought Bill Gates and and a
Speaker 8: bunch of twenty year olds to do the same thing
Speaker 8: Elon Musk is doing with that had been okay, I
Speaker 8: don't think so. I don't think it's okay what Elon's doing.
Speaker 8: They're not government employees. It just seems wrong and probably
Speaker 8: is well.
Speaker 2: Listen, when it comes to that, I have been pretty
Speaker 2: consistent in that whatever government is needs to be reliant
Speaker 2: upon us for permission to do the things it does.
Speaker 2: Whether it's a member of Congress, whether it's a member
Speaker 2: of a bureaucracy, or whatever it is. We are the
Speaker 2: ones that drive the bus. So the more information we
Speaker 2: have about what's going on, I think is a good thing.
Speaker 2: And if you agree with or don't agree with whatever
Speaker 2: funding exists at USAID or any of these other groups,
Speaker 2: then that will determine how you vote for people And
Speaker 2: like it or not, whether we voted for him or not,
Speaker 2: the guy in the White House is the one who's
Speaker 2: in charge. It was the same thing for Biden, it's
Speaker 2: the same thing for Trump. Now, there were a lot
Speaker 2: of people who obviously do not like this. What they
Speaker 2: refer to us a takeover democracy.
Speaker 5: We're witnessing an assault on our democracy, make no mistake,
Speaker 5: and the Congressional Progressive Caucus will fight at every opportunity.
Speaker 1: Senator Mark Warner, for example, You've got folks we don't
Speaker 1: know anything about.
Speaker 7: Looking at potentially all of our personal information, all of
Speaker 7: the money.
Speaker 1: Flows that go out of Treasury.
Speaker 7: The Banking Committee needs to bring up the those folks
Speaker 7: who are illegally in.
Speaker 1: Treasury and have them testify.
Speaker 2: Now, speaking of the new Secretary of the Treasury, Scott
Speaker 2: Besson says, nobody's tampering with anything. Nobody's got access to
Speaker 2: any of the personal information that is being talked about
Speaker 2: the Treasury.
Speaker 5: Our payment system is not being touched in terms of
Speaker 5: payments being stopped. That is happening upstream at the department
Speaker 5: level at Treasury. Our motto is to move deliberately and
Speaker 5: fix thing.
Speaker 2: I will say this, there has to be Congressional oversight
Speaker 2: on this, Democrats have an opportunity to invite I don't
Speaker 2: know if they're going to subpoena, but they can obviously
Speaker 2: invite Elon Musk and anybody else at DOGE to come
Speaker 2: testify before them. But it's incumbent upon Republicans to make
Speaker 2: sure that he does do that. Now, going down this
Speaker 2: list of these other this group of six young engineers
Speaker 2: who are apparently sort of the task force that has
Speaker 2: been unleashed on these different agencies. Gavin Kleiger is a
Speaker 2: guy listed him as a special advisor to the Director
Speaker 2: of OPM Office of Personnel and Management, who's listed in
Speaker 2: internal records as a special advisor to the Director for
Speaker 2: Information Technology. This guy was at UC Berkeley until a
Speaker 2: few years ago. He worked for the company the AI
Speaker 2: company Data Bricks. He talks about his support for conservative politicians.
Speaker 2: He wrote a paper apparently in favor of Matt Gates
Speaker 2: that's thinking ship Pete Hegseth as well. Cole Killian is
Speaker 2: a guy who also has an email associated with dough.
Speaker 2: She's currently listed as a volunteer on his resume says
Speaker 2: he attended McGill University through at least twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: graduated high school back in twenty nineteen. His personal website
Speaker 2: also shows that he worked as an engineer at Jump Trading,
Speaker 2: specializing in algorithmic and high frequency financial trades. And then
Speaker 2: the last guy in this group, Ethan Shautran, told Business
Speaker 2: Insider a few months ago he was a senior at
Speaker 2: Harvard studying computer science and also the founder of an
Speaker 2: open ai backed startup called energize Ai. He was the
Speaker 2: runner up in a hackathon that was held by Musk's
Speaker 2: AI company. They said he received about one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars grand from open Ai to build a scheduling assistant
Speaker 2: that he had come up with. Now, most of these
Speaker 2: guys have working GSA emails and a Suite level clearance,
Speaker 2: which means they work out of the agency's top floor,
Speaker 2: and they have access to physical bass and some IT systems.
Speaker 2: But it's not clear when they have the access to
Speaker 2: the IT system. Is it what Scott Bessen said at Treasury,
Speaker 2: which is they're just read only. They can't change anything,
Speaker 2: they can't access information, personal information that would be available
Speaker 2: or is it more than that? Now, if it's more
Speaker 2: than that, that's a massive problem. And they got to
Speaker 2: figure that stuff out, because that kind of information wouldn't
Speaker 2: necessarily have anything to do with working on government efficiency.
Speaker 2: If these guys are just computer coders, more power to them.
Speaker 2: Let's stop with this belief that somehow outside eyeballs on
Speaker 2: what the government is doing is inherently bad. It's actually
Speaker 2: inherently good. These things need to be exposed. We have
Speaker 2: to know what the government is spending money on for
Speaker 2: us to make decisions about who we're going to put
Speaker 2: in office next time. All right, up next, the evacuation
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