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Speaker 1: limb always keep it Squatchy. And now you're hosts Cliff
Speaker 1: Berrickman and James Bobo Fay.
Speaker 2: Hello, Squatch, geteers out there and Bigfoot and Beyond land.
Speaker 2: This is Cliff from Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: oftentimes Bobo. Bobo is not going to be here today.
Speaker 2: He was almost here. In fact, we're starting almost an
Speaker 2: hour late because he was almost here for almost an hour.
Speaker 2: But uh, technological problems haunt Bobo. So anyway, I'm excited
Speaker 2: about this guest because Bobo told me about this guy
Speaker 2: this past week, says, Dude, we got to have this
Speaker 2: guy on. Dude, He's blah blah blah, Boba blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. And I'm thinking, oh, well, Bobo's blah blawing
Speaker 2: at me. It must be amazing, right, So Bobo lined
Speaker 2: them up. But I love this because see, Bobo's already
Speaker 2: spent like an hour on the phone with peers. Peeris
Speaker 2: is this guy's name? I've never met the guy we
Speaker 2: started talking an hour ago on the phone here when
Speaker 2: we're trying to get Bobo to get his technological act together.
Speaker 2: And so I have never heard this story, so I
Speaker 2: am hearing it for the first time, just like you
Speaker 2: our listeners are hearing this story for the first time.
Speaker 2: So with that in mind, pieris how you doing, man?
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. I mean you you give me
Speaker 1: way too much accreditation.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know your witness and witnesses are are are
Speaker 2: to be listened to. And Bobo's said some great things
Speaker 2: about your encounter. And just so you know, I'm a
Speaker 2: pretty friendly guy and or nothing to be worried about.
Speaker 2: I know sasquatches are real. I'm not here to make
Speaker 2: fun of anybody. I'm just here to listen to what
Speaker 2: you have to say and get some perspective from what
Speaker 2: you've learned from this whole event. But let's let's learn
Speaker 2: a bit a little bit about who you are first.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us maybe what you do for a living,
Speaker 2: or where you live, or any of that sort of
Speaker 2: stuff to give us a background on who you are.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm in Tennessee. I've lived all over the world.
Speaker 1: I lived in Vietnam, for a year and a half.
Speaker 1: I was in Tanzania for a year and a half.
Speaker 1: I went to college in Germany. So I've lived all
Speaker 1: over the planet.
Speaker 2: Were you in the service or something. That's a lot
Speaker 2: of that's a lot of countries to cover.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not not exactly, no, but yeah, it's been a
Speaker 1: really amazing life. And you know, my one encounter with
Speaker 1: the sasquatch happened in Colorado. I was in Colorado for
Speaker 1: seven years and had an event company, and so that's
Speaker 1: where I had my encounter.
Speaker 2: And when when did this encounter happen?
Speaker 1: It's like ninety nine. I mean, I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: I could be one one off either way, but ninety
Speaker 1: nine January is what I think it is.
Speaker 2: What were you doing? Like, because you know, you don't
Speaker 2: run into sasquatches in Boulder, for example. You don't run
Speaker 2: into sasquatches in Denver.
Speaker 1: Aspen is really unique in the fact that it's kind
Speaker 1: of like Vancouver in the fact that is it's almost
Speaker 1: like an island unto itself. I mean, there's force all
Speaker 1: around you, there's food for bears and stuff all around you,
Speaker 1: and they don't hibernate there. I mean, because they're coming
Speaker 1: into town and they and they go, they run rough
Speaker 1: shot over your trash cans and stuff.
Speaker 2: And no, I've never been to Aspen. It's one of
Speaker 2: the places in Coloradi I have yet to visit. So
Speaker 2: is it pretty deep snow in January during during Aspen?
Speaker 1: It can be, it can be for sure.
Speaker 2: What about this particular winner, I mean it.
Speaker 1: Started snowing when I had my moment, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it was. It's always snowing a little bit. I
Speaker 1: mean it snow's like eleven months out of the year there.
Speaker 2: Oh geez, really, I wouldn't like it there very much then,
Speaker 2: although I heard it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's really pretty. But the whole point was I was
Speaker 1: going out to this Pine Creek Cookhouse, which is amazing
Speaker 1: the way, if you ever get a chance to do that,
Speaker 1: do this at a restaurant or it's a restaurant and
Speaker 1: it's out in the wilderness and fantastic food and they
Speaker 1: specialize and really exotic meats and stuff. So you have
Speaker 1: caribou and.
Speaker 2: Well, let tho's pause on that for a minute, like,
Speaker 2: because I'm always interested in that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 2: they have cariboos? Do they have do they have elk?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: What about moose or something like that.
Speaker 1: Moose, buffalo everything, And that was the place of the
Speaker 1: sighting and the way you get there in the winter time,
Speaker 1: you have two choices. You can cross country ski up
Speaker 1: to it, or you take a sleigh ride on the side.
Speaker 1: If you're an old, fat guy like me.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is a different level of restaurant.
Speaker 2: This is not what I was expecting at all. That's
Speaker 2: really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It's pretty spectacular. And so I was
Speaker 1: there with some friends and you know, we cross country
Speaker 1: skied up there. I was in my twenties then, well
Speaker 1: maybe thirties, but okay, don't tell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't worry about it, you know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I mean, so, you know, we hiked up to
Speaker 1: the spot and had a great dinner, and we were
Speaker 1: the last ones to leave, and because we're just hanging
Speaker 1: out having a good time, and it got to the
Speaker 1: point where there were probably like three people left in
Speaker 1: the building other than us, and it got to be
Speaker 1: obvious it was time to leave the premises, and so
Speaker 1: we were heading downhill, and as luck would have it,
Speaker 1: I failed to zip up my green north Face jacket
Speaker 1: that had my keys in it, so my keys fell
Speaker 1: in the snow and it's snowing, so that's that's there's
Speaker 1: some good news. So so we get all the way
Speaker 1: down to the bottom and this is about I think
Speaker 1: it's like one point one miles I think somewhere in
Speaker 1: that range. And we get there and we pull up
Speaker 1: the car. I mean, you take off your skis and
Speaker 1: you take off your visor that has a headlamp. You
Speaker 1: know that you know allows you to not take a
Speaker 1: header off a footfall or something. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: it's not real bright, neither of mine.
Speaker 3: So so anyway, so we get down the hill and
Speaker 3: uh I pull up to the car and uh I
Speaker 3: don't have the keys, and.
Speaker 1: My friends are a little looking at me, and some
Speaker 1: of them are from out of town. They're from from Virginia,
Speaker 1: and uh I just said, I got to go get
Speaker 1: my keys, and and they said, you're never going to
Speaker 1: find your keys, Like, I mean, it's snowing. We just
Speaker 1: ran downhill with this thing or or ski downhill. You're
Speaker 1: never going to find your keys. But these keys are
Speaker 1: my house keys, my work keys, everything, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm going to leave that behind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your life is on these key chains. It's like
Speaker 2: losing your wallet or something.
Speaker 1: It is because I mean, it's easy for them to say,
Speaker 1: we can catch a taxi and you can go back home, but.
Speaker 4: I can't get into my home without my keys. I
Speaker 4: can't go into work the next day without them. And
Speaker 4: I don't have a car to drive without those keys too.
Speaker 4: So I said, you know what, I'm going to go
Speaker 4: find my keys. So I actually walked back up, and
Speaker 4: I was not skiing at this point, I was.
Speaker 5: I walked back up, and I put the head lamp
Speaker 5: back on my head, and I put one lamp and
Speaker 5: each of each hands, so I had basically three lamps
Speaker 5: going on, and I just slowly walked up.
Speaker 1: I mean, and when I say slowly, I mean slowly,
Speaker 1: and this is a mile plus, you know, but I
Speaker 1: don't know where it could have fallen out. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm going to kick something up or I'm
Speaker 1: not going to kick something up, and so I'm being
Speaker 1: very careful about that. And then I'm focusing my head
Speaker 1: lamps on the on my feet because that's where I
Speaker 1: figure I'm going to find the keys. And this fast
Speaker 1: forward times like thirty minutes because at the top of
Speaker 1: the hill, I'm about to give up, and I actually
Speaker 1: saw the fob sticking out of the of the snow
Speaker 1: because it was there was a tree that had blocked
Speaker 1: some of the snow, thankfully for me, because the story
Speaker 1: would be indifferently proly. But anyway, so I picked the
Speaker 1: keys up and I thought, man, that's that's a moment.
Speaker 1: That's a moment.
Speaker 2: What a huge breath of release. I relief that must
Speaker 2: have been. This is insane. Just the stress off your
Speaker 2: shoulders at that point.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I put them in and zipped up my coat.
Speaker 1: I tucked it away, and I thought, this is a
Speaker 1: thank you God moment.
Speaker 2: There's always an opportunity for gratitude, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Yes, And then I heard this deep breathing off the side.
Speaker 1: And get your attention, because you are in the wilderness.
Speaker 1: I mean when you're when you when you go to
Speaker 1: the Pine Creek cook House, you're in the wilderness. Get me,
Speaker 1: no wrong, this is the wilderness. So I'm honestly I'm
Speaker 1: afraid that it's a mountain lion or a bear or something.
Speaker 1: I mean a bear, I could deal with mountain line
Speaker 1: then they can be cagy. So I mean, I was
Speaker 1: honestly more afraid the fact that it would be a
Speaker 1: mountain line than anything. And I shined the light on it,
Speaker 1: the lights plural on it, and this is not a
Speaker 1: mountain line, and it steps out. It takes a linebacker stance.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty accurate on on height, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: people want to say, you know, they're twelve feet tall
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It was like seven and a
Speaker 1: half feet tall, seven to five. So that's what you said.
Speaker 2: It stepped out.
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 2: What was it behind a tree or something.
Speaker 1: Or it was leaning up against the side of the
Speaker 1: building to try to be invisible.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was leaning against the restaurant.
Speaker 1: Leaning against the restaurant because it was trying to not
Speaker 1: be seen.
Speaker 2: Oh. I didn't realize we're back at the restaurant. I
Speaker 2: thought it was like en route to the restaurants.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a poor rendition of the No.
Speaker 2: Hey, that's why I'm here, man, keeping us on track. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So it was leaning against the restaurant, which is interesting
Speaker 2: because you got to wonder why was it going to
Speaker 2: the restaurant. I wonder if there was an outside grease
Speaker 2: trap or something it was rating on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what David asked me.
Speaker 2: David Ellis when you spoke to him.
Speaker 1: David Ellis, Yeah, he asked me about that, which again
Speaker 1: my answer would be, I don't know, but there was
Speaker 1: no tree to hide behind.
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's leaning against the restaurant almost kind of
Speaker 2: like a plain view in a way.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's it's complete darkness, but you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm illuminating that with the with the light,
Speaker 1: and it was trying to not be seen. As soon
Speaker 1: as that it recognized that it was on pay per
Speaker 1: view here, you know, I mean, it stepped out and
Speaker 1: just said, okay, well you know this is where we are.
Speaker 1: These these are my words, clearly, and it just took
Speaker 1: a posture that was basically permitting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said a linebacker stance. What do you mean
Speaker 2: by that?
Speaker 1: Okay, so he or she because I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say which one it is because I don't know, all right,
Speaker 1: So it bent his knees, the knees and the hands
Speaker 1: went out to the side, and and it was basically
Speaker 1: ready for handling whatever's going to come forward after that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a ready, ready pose. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know another way to say it.
Speaker 2: Cliff, So like again, I'm not much of a sports guy,
Speaker 2: but kind of like just like two guys ready to
Speaker 2: face off, almost like a wrestling sort of thing before
Speaker 2: they engage, but a little bit more stand up.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, I'm just trying to kind of trying
Speaker 2: to picture it in my head, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was it was ready to uh handle me,
Speaker 1: which which would have taken nothing, but okay, would have
Speaker 1: taken nothing. But I mean once once it was on
Speaker 1: full display, like it just gave of the ghost and
Speaker 1: just said, hey, look I'm here. Now what And I
Speaker 1: was like, I didn't ask for what.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was part of the deal here, right,
Speaker 2: And I was.
Speaker 1: Just trying to find my keys and go back to
Speaker 1: my tahoe and go home.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages.
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Speaker 1: It squared off with me, and it's staring at me.
Speaker 1: And people want to say they have these crazy eyes
Speaker 1: or something like that. That's not true. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not what I saw. I mean they were deep set eyes,
Speaker 1: but they were intense and it was obvious. It was
Speaker 1: absolutely a It's a creature. It's not something out of
Speaker 1: some fairy tale. I mean, this is a real thing
Speaker 1: and you're looking at it and you have to recognize
Speaker 1: it and give it some respect and give it some room.
Speaker 1: You know. It kind of waited me out, and I
Speaker 1: was waiting it out, and I thought, obviously, your first
Speaker 1: thought is to run, right, I mean, if you're encountering
Speaker 1: a lion or something, you're going to run, but that.
Speaker 2: Could trigger Yeah, you may not want to. I just
Speaker 2: thought maybe that.
Speaker 1: Could trigger some some thing in its mind that I
Speaker 1: should be pursued. If I do that. So I just
Speaker 1: sat there and staring at it and staring at me,
Speaker 1: and this went on for roughly fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2: Fifteen seconds. And how about about how far apart were
Speaker 2: you at that time?
Speaker 1: Twenty feet twenty five feet?
Speaker 2: Twenty five feet holy smoked, okay, so twenty to twenty
Speaker 2: five feet. Were there any lights coming off the building
Speaker 2: or anything, or your headlamps the only thing illumining?
Speaker 1: Nothing? Nothing, okay with cloudy?
Speaker 2: It was cloudy thing because you said it was snowing,
Speaker 2: so the moon wasn't out either.
Speaker 1: It was snowing. And I looked at the building because honestly,
Speaker 1: I was trying to find refuge, because I thought, all right,
Speaker 1: so that might be an option because the other ray
Speaker 1: is like a mile and a half down the hill
Speaker 1: or one point one miles anywhere down the hill, and
Speaker 1: by that time I'm not gonna make it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so I I glanced at the building and the lights
Speaker 1: are all out, all out, and I think the people
Speaker 1: that work there probably had between the time of us
Speaker 1: leaving and me getting back to that spot, they had
Speaker 1: already gone home, and so everything was dark. And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean again, I mean, if you asked me to guess. Obviously,
Speaker 1: probably at times people leave food out or something like that,
Speaker 1: or trash out maybe, but that'd be just a pure guess, uh,
Speaker 1: because I don't know. It was just there and anyway,
Speaker 1: So I'm squaring off with this guy or girl and
Speaker 1: it has this low growl that is absolutely unique to
Speaker 1: anything I've ever heard. I mean, like when a dog
Speaker 1: growls at you, it has this kind of consistent like
Speaker 1: thing us and it might have to catch his breath,
Speaker 1: but it's going to be the same growl. This did
Speaker 1: not sound like that it was modulated. That gave me
Speaker 1: a little pause too, because I thought at some point
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, it's got something to say.
Speaker 2: When you say modulated, do you mean like it went
Speaker 2: up like like up and down in pitch or did
Speaker 2: it slow and it's rumbles or what do you mean
Speaker 2: by the word modulated, because it could mean a lot
Speaker 2: of different things to a lot of different people, and
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get as accurate a picture as
Speaker 2: i can.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the best rendition would would be if
Speaker 1: you would were to play play David's.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right, Maybe that's good. This is a
Speaker 2: good time to bring that in because You've already spoken
Speaker 2: about this to David Ellis, who's a fantastic researcher, a
Speaker 2: part of the Olympic Project, good friend of ours, been
Speaker 2: on the show before, super Smart Guy too, you know,
Speaker 2: super Smart Guy, And he has a recording apparently that
Speaker 2: matches this really well.
Speaker 1: Identical, except this is deeper. It's deeper, but it's identical
Speaker 1: other than that, and it goes up and down and
Speaker 1: it almost mimics voice.
Speaker 2: Through the magic of editing. We'll have Matt prut put
Speaker 2: that into the episode right now so our listeners can
Speaker 2: hear it.
Speaker 1: I never had heard that before, because well, I mean,
Speaker 1: certainly I did in real time, but but I had
Speaker 1: not heard the episode that you had on. I think
Speaker 1: it was sixty five, episode sixty five, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know David. Then I know David, and I think David's
Speaker 1: a great guy. He's a super super smart guy.
Speaker 8: So to listen to him and gain some wisdom from that,
Speaker 8: you know that that gave me some insight that I
Speaker 8: did not previously have.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to give him some big old shout out.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was staring off at me and growling,
Speaker 1: and I never felt threatened. I honestly didn't feel threatened,
Speaker 1: but I thought that it had chosen its ground and
Speaker 1: just said, basically like this is my this is my assumption,
Speaker 1: like this is where the line ends. That was my intake.
Speaker 1: It's like the line ends here. Everything after this is real,
Speaker 1: you know. I just waited them out.
Speaker 2: And how long did you have to wait before the
Speaker 2: next move happened? And I'm sure that seemed much longer
Speaker 2: than it actually was.
Speaker 1: Well again, I mean considering this, all right, so five
Speaker 1: seconds sound like five minutes. I mean I didn't never
Speaker 1: stop watch, but I think the whole thing was probably
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty seconds.
Speaker 2: Which is an eternity when you're actually there.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, when you're yeah, when you're squaring off with
Speaker 1: something that can end you. Yes, of course.
Speaker 8: And it took its hands again, I'm gonna say it,
Speaker 8: because I don't know if it's a male or female.
Speaker 2: It works for us, the word it works for the situation.
Speaker 1: All right, So the sasquatch cupped its hands. I remember
Speaker 1: this distinctly because there's only a couple of things I'm
Speaker 1: looking at right now, and what I'm looking at is
Speaker 1: what's going to physically be a problem, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's the hands in the mouth. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: I'm staring at. That's the only thing I'm shining a
Speaker 1: light on at this point. I mean, people ask me, hey,
Speaker 1: does it does it have big feet? How do I know?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's snowing, so I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: and even if I didn't know, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to stare his feet. I'm worried about these gigantic hands,
Speaker 1: and I mean in the face, and it's almost I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's a human face because that
Speaker 1: that that would be wrong. But it's close. It's real close.
Speaker 1: You know, if someone didn't shave for five weeks or
Speaker 1: something like that, it'd be real close. And the intensity
Speaker 1: of the stair I'm never going to forget that. I'm
Speaker 1: never going to forget that. That was something that will
Speaker 1: resonate with me forever.
Speaker 8: And then when it put its hands together and it
Speaker 8: clapped and it did this with this cupped hand thing
Speaker 8: it did and it sounded like again I don't want
Speaker 8: to sound like a crazy person, but it sounded like
Speaker 8: a door getting shut on a seventies car.
Speaker 1: It sounded exactly like that, exactly like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm fifty three years old. So I remember those times
Speaker 1: and when you would close the door, it has this
Speaker 1: deep clunk noise, and that's exactly what it sounded like,
Speaker 1: and that's when I decided to part ways.
Speaker 2: Well, here's a deal. Anybody who says that they would
Speaker 2: have done something different wasn't there and has no right
Speaker 2: to say so, because I don't know if anybody has
Speaker 2: been big footing for a while, or any any witness
Speaker 2: like yourself who's a purely accidental witness. Right to be
Speaker 2: in that situation is entirely different than planning to be
Speaker 2: in that situation. And you never know what you're gonna do.
Speaker 2: You never can predict, So how can you do and
Speaker 2: dig a picture of it? All those questions? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: can see how someone would ask that, but there's nonsense.
Speaker 2: Having been in those situations.
Speaker 1: Over and above that, I think someone who that says
Speaker 1: that they can prepare for that, they're lying too. They're
Speaker 1: lying to themselves, because you know, once you're there and
Speaker 1: you're facing the storm, it's different. I mean it's different,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you can say all day long
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do, Okay, I'm gonna under these circumstances,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do. Oh yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: great barroom talk. But you know, when you're in the moment,
Speaker 1: you know when when a lion looks you in the face,
Speaker 1: then you have it your own come to Jesus moment,
Speaker 1: so to speak. And that's what I had. And you
Speaker 1: know it wasn't some paranormal thing it was. It was
Speaker 1: a feral thing that I was just I was. I
Speaker 1: was intimidated. I'll tell you right now. I was.
Speaker 2: Anybody would have been. So did it clap once?
Speaker 1: One time? That's all too one clap And that clap
Speaker 1: was loud. Dude, it was loud. It was really like
Speaker 1: slamming a door. But I mean, you have to understand,
Speaker 1: these hands are huge. They're huge, They're huge, they're cartoonish. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm going to reference David one more time, because David
Speaker 1: asked me, he said, did it use his mouth to
Speaker 1: combine that with the with the And the truth is,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, because the only thing at
Speaker 1: that point I'm looking at our hands because that's what
Speaker 1: I think is about to rip me in three pieces.
Speaker 2: Now I've got a question about it, and I know
Speaker 2: I'm really nitpicking here, but I'm curious if maybe if
Speaker 2: I ask you, maybe you remember something or maybe you
Speaker 2: notice what I'm when it clapped, you know, like imagine
Speaker 2: sitting in a seat watching a presentation, and then afterwards
Speaker 2: you clap your arm. Your elbows would be bent, probably
Speaker 2: about ninety degrees or so, and you'd be clapping in
Speaker 2: Your hands would be six inches or a foot away
Speaker 2: from chest or your chest? Was that like the position
Speaker 2: that clapped? Or how did this sing clap? How did
Speaker 2: the arms move when they came together?
Speaker 1: It was just a lightning strike. I mean it was
Speaker 1: both hands wide apart coming together.
Speaker 2: Were the arms extended when the hands connected or were
Speaker 2: they bent? If you remember and I don't know, it
Speaker 2: is always an acceptable answer.
Speaker 1: I mean to tell you the truth. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you were a little overwhelmed at the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean from my recollection, they came from
Speaker 1: wide apart and it just it just collapsed his hands
Speaker 1: into each other. And whether they're bent or not, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know, your description kind of reminds me of is
Speaker 2: like a grandmother trying to scare away a from a picnic.
Speaker 2: In a way, you know, like these faster, hey you
Speaker 2: get out of here sort of things. There's something about
Speaker 2: what you're describing that reminds me of that.
Speaker 1: It's the same effect because I left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's what I wanted to ask you. Because
Speaker 2: even those Sasquatches are not humans, and it's hard to
Speaker 2: get inside their head, and they don't speak English or
Speaker 2: whatever o their language.
Speaker 1: We're still all apes. We're still all apes.
Speaker 2: And they're very effective communicators. What did you feel it
Speaker 2: was communicating to you by that clap? Or was even
Speaker 2: for you? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was time to leave the situation. That's that's what
Speaker 1: I got, you know, it was it was okay for
Speaker 1: a minute, and it's like, all right, you need to
Speaker 1: go home. And I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: got no problem with that. I have no problem with that.
Speaker 2: And is that what you did? What happened next?
Speaker 1: I mean, I face planted like three times run downhill
Speaker 1: because I'm running in snow.
Speaker 2: So you turned and ran at that point, Yes, once.
Speaker 1: You decide that it's time to exit stage right, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't do it, you know, in a
Speaker 1: wonderful way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no grace at that point.
Speaker 1: It's no grace because I mean you you know, and
Speaker 1: you're thinking. I've had had people ask me, Hey, did
Speaker 1: you look behind you and see what's coming? It's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I did not. I did not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might see it, why would you look?
Speaker 1: I mean, if you see it, it's over. I mean
Speaker 1: the thing could have overturned me in a half second.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if it's behind me, it's behind me.
Speaker 1: And I'll never find out. You know, the thing that
Speaker 1: struck me is not the height, it's the width. Honestly,
Speaker 1: the width is what probably stood out to me.
Speaker 2: Is it just a shoulder with or with of the
Speaker 2: whole torso or or.
Speaker 1: With of the shoulder with shoulder with was like four
Speaker 1: and a half feet wide? And you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I've shared this story with friends and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, four feet wise, it's not the big deal. No,
Speaker 1: it's a big deal.
Speaker 2: It's a big deal on a seven and a half
Speaker 2: foot tall one, it is. Yeah, it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: And they're perfectly sculpted, let's put it that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this thing is definitely worked out. I mean I don't
Speaker 1: want to fight it, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I happen to be sitting at the
Speaker 2: desk here at the North American Bigfoot Center, and all
Speaker 2: over this museum here we have tape measures. I'm measuring
Speaker 2: my shoulders now, and I'm not a big man. I'm
Speaker 2: five foot eight tall as long as I'm not slouching,
Speaker 2: and I'm measuring my shoulders right now, and they are
Speaker 2: basically twenty one inches, and I'm fairly broad shouldered. I
Speaker 2: get I think for my height, twenty one inches.
Speaker 1: So take the times two point three exactly exactly. Anyone
Speaker 1: who doesn't understand how big that is doesn't get it.
Speaker 1: I mean it's absolutely would cut out the sun. That's great.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I've got to congratulate you on
Speaker 2: your math skills, you know, because twenty two inches times
Speaker 2: two point three is fifty point six. It's like a
Speaker 2: you know, four foot Uh.
Speaker 1: Well, I've got a real good friend of mine. He
Speaker 1: played for the Mavericks. He's uh he's six foot eleven
Speaker 1: and uh yon mahemi he was. He played for the
Speaker 1: Mavericks when they won the championship with Dirk Novisky, and
Speaker 1: so I got a pretty good, you know, reference point
Speaker 1: of height and stuff. And this was taller, but the
Speaker 1: width was amazingly different. I mean, there's there's no human
Speaker 1: that could fill that, no way, you know. And and
Speaker 1: you know, I've had people ask me like, oh, you
Speaker 1: think somebody was wearing some suit or something like that.
Speaker 1: Why in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 1: why would they do that? And that's not possible. And
Speaker 1: they couldn't even fill it out if they tried. It'd
Speaker 1: be like making a prank phone call to a to
Speaker 1: a number that you know won't pick up. Like that's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and with Cliff and Bogo
Speaker 2: will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: The only reason, the only reason that I saw this
Speaker 1: sasquatch was the fact that I dropped my keys in
Speaker 1: the snow and I went downhill and I came back
Speaker 1: up real slow and real quiet, and it's snowing and
Speaker 1: I'm down in so it can't smell me, you can't
Speaker 1: hear me because I'm basically just shuffling my feet to
Speaker 1: try to churn up my keys. And uh, and I
Speaker 1: just stumbled upon it and it was probably like focused
Speaker 1: on some other stuff, and you know, you know, David
Speaker 1: David Ellis asked me. He's like, hey, was there a
Speaker 1: trash can outside? I don't know. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you think I'm going to go back and look, No,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a check sign right there. Man. When
Speaker 1: it's time to go home. It's time to go home.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was haven't been back. Actually, you know,
Speaker 1: I have not been back. And they have great food.
Speaker 1: It's a great place, you know. I just you know,
Speaker 1: that was my little moment. And I'm not qualified to
Speaker 1: be on this show. I'll be the first one to
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 2: Oh I would. I would be the first one to
Speaker 2: disagree with you. No, I'll due respect. I think you
Speaker 2: had a fantastic encounter. That's close up and cool, and yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got an interesting observation because you know, the vast
Speaker 2: majority of sasquatch sighting reports seemed to be road crossings
Speaker 2: or I saw it at a distance and it disappeared.
Speaker 2: That kind of thing where there has very very little
Speaker 2: information about about the animal. You know, it's a snapshot,
Speaker 2: and you're trying to write a biography about a person
Speaker 2: based on a snapshot. But in situations like this, where
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of a standoff and there's a
Speaker 2: little bit of an interaction. Maybe almost you've observed the
Speaker 2: sasquatch doing something unusual that kind of broadens our understanding
Speaker 2: of their species and the things that's stand out to me.
Speaker 2: It's so far, and I still have some questions for you,
Speaker 2: by the way, but the things that stand out to
Speaker 2: me so far about this is number one, it was
Speaker 2: leaning against the building when you encountered it's okay, So
Speaker 2: that tells me the thing goes to this building sometimes
Speaker 2: for something, most likely food. So maybe it's raiding the
Speaker 2: trash cans maybe, which is problematic because you can't tell
Speaker 2: if sasquatches raid the trash cans because they very often
Speaker 2: put the lids back on. They're not like bears in
Speaker 2: that sort of way. Maybe there's a grease trap, because
Speaker 2: that's been well documented in places out of Oklahoma, for example,
Speaker 2: there's a video of one of these things doing that thing.
Speaker 2: And also, once it knew, it tried to hide, but
Speaker 2: once it knew the gig was up, it kind of
Speaker 2: squared off against you. It looks like or sounds like.
Speaker 1: With that exception, that is exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so it was ready to take you on.
Speaker 1: It put me on notice.
Speaker 2: Because you put it on notice somehow exactly. And then
Speaker 2: of course the clapping thing was infinitely useful because it's
Speaker 2: been a discussion for a long time. I've been putting
Speaker 2: this out since at least two thousand and six or
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, that sasquatches are doing more than
Speaker 2: hitting trees with sticks. Man, They're they're clapping or making
Speaker 2: mouth and pop noises or something, or maybe all of
Speaker 2: those things and more. And the more visual observations of
Speaker 2: these kinds of behaviors, the more fuel we have for
Speaker 2: that fire, the more evidence we have for that hypothesis,
Speaker 2: which is by the way, supported by the other known
Speaker 2: apes as well. Gorillas are well known to do the same.
Speaker 1: The clunk noise definitely was hand to hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is really cool because I personally heard car
Speaker 2: door slamming in the woods and I had no idea
Speaker 2: why they were that. There couldn't have been cars where
Speaker 2: I was, So that this is, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: filling in that puzzle piece for people like me and
Speaker 2: other people have heard similar things.
Speaker 1: When it did that, my eyes got wide, like it
Speaker 1: was just to me. It was it was expressing itself,
Speaker 1: like you need to vacate the premises like, I mean,
Speaker 1: like it was very clearly just going, you're not okay here,
Speaker 1: you're not okay here. And uh and so guess what,
Speaker 1: I don't have to be asked twice. I'm out in
Speaker 1: that moment. I mean it was, it was real. I
Speaker 1: don't know, primal, I guess, so to speak. I mean,
Speaker 1: just the way it did it. I mean you wouldn't
Speaker 1: you wouldn't normally expect the sound to come out of that.
Speaker 1: But the way it cupped its hands, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess that's the way it does it.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Google Earth right now and I found
Speaker 2: Pine Creek Cookhouse. But it doesn't look like it's a
Speaker 2: mile from the fifteen Highway.
Speaker 1: No, it's definitely one point one miles back then, So
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't this is nineteen ninety nine, so.
Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe maybe if this highway is new or
Speaker 2: something like that, because it looks like there's a road that.
Speaker 1: Goes up to it at this point, could have changed.
Speaker 2: But uh, where do you at Castle Creek trailhead?
Speaker 1: By any chance that rings a bell? But I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly. I mean, I mean, this is a long
Speaker 1: time ago. It's a long time ago.
Speaker 2: It is that this is you know, like literally what
Speaker 2: thirty one?
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole this entire conversation came about because
Speaker 1: I asked Matt Preuit, you know, hey, or are there
Speaker 1: any no one ever talks about sasquatches in Colorado? And
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean I guess, I mean maybe it's
Speaker 1: not that common, but I saw one, and so I thought,
Speaker 1: there's got to be. I can't be the only guy
Speaker 1: who's seen one. It's not possible. There's no way as possible.
Speaker 2: No, no, either. You know, Colorado is big country, man,
Speaker 2: There's a lot of country, and they're not a ton
Speaker 2: of people out there in that country. So there's that
Speaker 2: contributes to there's no lack of reports from Colorado, but
Speaker 2: there are fewer there than lots of other states where
Speaker 2: people in humans.
Speaker 1: Which surprises me a lot, because I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's teeming with it's squatchy as hell. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you've got the trees, you've got rivers, you've
Speaker 1: got fish, I mean, deer everywhere. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: made for that. Now, what was that?
Speaker 2: What was that run run back to your car? Like,
Speaker 2: what was going through your head at the time?
Speaker 1: Hall ass? I mean That's pretty much what I was thinking, like, okay.
Speaker 2: We're sasquatches even on your radar before this absolute zero. No,
Speaker 2: just just I'm sure, sure you've heard a big foot.
Speaker 1: I certainly I know what a bigfoot is.
Speaker 2: You just thought it was all hogwash.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I was plus or minus on that,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't concerned with it. When you live in Colorado,
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, you're your biggest fear is a mountain lion,
Speaker 1: because they're they're really they're dangerous. You know, blackberries. I've
Speaker 1: been nosed to those of the black bear, literally knows
Speaker 1: to those of the black bear, and and they're not
Speaker 1: they're not a problem. I mean I went out one time.
Speaker 1: I was in my underwear and it was early in
Speaker 1: the morning. I'm probably not supposed to say this on
Speaker 1: the show, but I'm going to say it. So I
Speaker 1: was just trying to take my trash out and my
Speaker 1: German shepherd who always comes out with me, just set
Speaker 1: this one out and he's and I thought, in hindsight,
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, something waiting on you. Yeah, you'll get
Speaker 1: it there. Yeah. So I went to hung a left
Speaker 1: out of my door, and that's right where my trash
Speaker 1: can is and then I picked up the lid, and
Speaker 1: then the bear stood up next to it, on the
Speaker 1: opposite side of me, and we were probably i don't know,
Speaker 1: eighteen inches apart or something like that, and the bear
Speaker 1: hauled ass and I quickly retreated back to my home. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: because I didn't see that coming either. It's just just
Speaker 1: just a random moment, just a random moment in your life.
Speaker 1: You know that you.
Speaker 2: Have stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
Speaker 2: and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Now,
Speaker 2: I hope you don't mind be saying this, but you
Speaker 2: were a little concerned about coming on the podcast. You
Speaker 2: didn't want to be made fun of, because.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be made fun I've told the
Speaker 1: story to people, and you know, people want to make
Speaker 1: you sound like you're crazy.
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to ask you, like, how was
Speaker 2: the really who did you tell first, and how did
Speaker 2: they react? And what's been this what's been your experience
Speaker 2: being a witness ever since?
Speaker 1: It took me years to really tell anyone that was
Speaker 1: of importance because I just try to digest that, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, all right, so remember this, like I've got
Speaker 1: to get back to this car. I got to get
Speaker 1: in this car and drive these people home.
Speaker 2: Right, they're all waiting for you down there. I forgot
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm driving them back to town and one
Speaker 1: of one of the girls, her name was Shari, and
Speaker 1: she says, you find your case. Said yep, that's all
Speaker 1: I said. It's all I said for like ten minutes straight, like,
Speaker 1: I just hopped in the car, drove down valley and
Speaker 1: back to Aspen to drop them off. And you know,
Speaker 1: one of the girls it was with us, her name
Speaker 1: was Julie, and uh, anyway, she was there and she's like,
Speaker 1: anyone want to have a drink? Is like absolutely yes,
Speaker 1: keep them going, absolutely yes. Does it come with a
Speaker 1: pair of extra underwear? Yeah, because used both. Yeah. At
Speaker 1: that point in the answer to your question, you know
Speaker 1: my story is pretty boring.
Speaker 2: No, it's not. No, Like, I don't know if you're
Speaker 2: listening to the same story I'm listening to. This is great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is fantastic. You saw it up close, You saw
Speaker 2: it do cool things at a cool place that has
Speaker 2: probably ought not to have been and it got caught.
Speaker 2: This is fantastic, And I totally understand your your hesitation
Speaker 2: to sharing because you don't want to be heckled. Because,
Speaker 2: as you told me before we started recording, I'm just
Speaker 2: telling the truth the way I experienced.
Speaker 1: It, and that's it, and that's all you're gonna get. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all we ever asked for. I'm talking to you
Speaker 1: online because it's important to me to tell the truth.
Speaker 1: And what I'm trying to say with this is I
Speaker 1: just want to move the needle forward a little bit
Speaker 1: because the next person who sees it, and there's probably
Speaker 1: been hundreds and thousands of people who've seen them, they
Speaker 1: won't come up. They won't say it because they get ridiculed,
Speaker 1: they get made fun of in their little small town
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Fast forward like twenty years from now, no problem. All
Speaker 1: the photos are going to come out of the woodshed.
Speaker 1: Everyone's got an uncle that had one, you know, But
Speaker 1: right now, nobody's willing to go on the record.
Speaker 2: Yeah. How has it changed your life having this experience?
Speaker 2: Not just like being ridkilled by your friends and you know,
Speaker 2: little minded folks that don't want to believe what you're saying,
Speaker 2: but has it changed you and your outlook on things
Speaker 2: or your relationships with the Wilder People or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Well that's a big question there, Cliff. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I mean for me personally, I like to camp,
Speaker 1: I like to hike, I like to fish. Nothing of
Speaker 1: that is changed. It's never going to happen twice say that.
Speaker 2: You say that, Well, I don't know, man. There's people
Speaker 2: have been struck by lightning more than a dozen times,
Speaker 2: and I mean by lightning, not big boots. You know,
Speaker 2: it can happen. I know, I know several multiple time witnesses.
Speaker 1: It could happen. Again, Bubo's not online, so maybe it's
Speaker 1: not going to happen.
Speaker 2: So well, Bubo's got his own by lightning curse.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I would say in my life hadn't
Speaker 1: changed much. I mean, I'm just I've always just been
Speaker 1: genuine person that I am. And it works for you,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I mean, frankly, y'all have been really cool
Speaker 1: about making me comfortable having this conversation, because it's not
Speaker 1: an easy conversation to have. When you when you have
Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody and you can express yourself and
Speaker 1: not be judged, that that's meaningful to me. So that's
Speaker 1: important to me. So I want to give you some props.
Speaker 1: I'm to give some big old, big old dabs on
Speaker 1: that so.
Speaker 2: Well, as I told you before we started recording, like,
Speaker 2: I'm an honest you know, and I therefore I assume
Speaker 2: everybody else kind of is too, you know. And I
Speaker 2: sure I get I make mistakes that way. People do
Speaker 2: lie to me, and I believe them, But I think
Speaker 2: that says more about them than it does me, honestly,
Speaker 2: you know. And and I and if I'm just open
Speaker 2: and honest with people, I would hope they're the same
Speaker 2: with me. And I think I think you're being I'm
Speaker 2: confident you're being honest with me. I have no problems
Speaker 2: with that at all. And I hope that that comes
Speaker 2: through in my attitude when I speak to Wiks.
Speaker 1: It certainly does.
Speaker 2: It certainly does, Yeah, because I know they're real. I
Speaker 2: know they're real. So yeah, just tell me what you
Speaker 2: saw on Let's let's learn about learn a little bit
Speaker 2: more about him, is my thought.
Speaker 1: And for me, you know, it's not like I'm looking
Speaker 1: for validation because I've already seen it, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's where you know, I really enjoyed
Speaker 1: my conversation with David illis. Uh, I'm going to reference
Speaker 1: him a lot because I really respect him a lot.
Speaker 1: He deserves it.
Speaker 2: He's a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: I love that guy. He's a good dude.
Speaker 9: And uh and uh you know he's seen him and uh,
Speaker 9: you know, in having a conversation with him, I mean,
Speaker 9: he'd be the best psychiatrist you could ever ask for.
Speaker 1: Just a good, good human being and good soul.
Speaker 2: So have you taken an interest to the subject now
Speaker 2: or you're like reading books and watching shows and like
Speaker 2: listen to the podcasts.
Speaker 1: Always say, I'm not a bigfooter, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean trade but I mean I'd like to get
Speaker 1: more into it. But I don't want to misrepresent myself too,
Speaker 1: because you know, my encounter was just by chance, absolutely
Speaker 1: happenstance chance And uh you know, I mean you could
Speaker 1: be the guy who studies everything out of the gate
Speaker 1: and and never never come in contact because they're few
Speaker 1: and far between. I just happened to run into into
Speaker 1: that moment.
Speaker 2: The vast majority of witnesses are just are people just
Speaker 2: like you, you know, who accidentally saw something they never expected.
Speaker 2: And there are you know, I know a little bit
Speaker 2: about bigfoots. I know a lot about the subject, a
Speaker 2: little bit about the animals. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 2: expert or not.
Speaker 1: But well, you're certainly more expertise than me.
Speaker 2: I certainly have a passion for the subject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and y'll have been doing y'all have been doing
Speaker 1: it for a long time too, So I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm sort of cutting in line, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Cutting in line. I love the way you talk, man.
Speaker 2: You have some really great things to say, you know,
Speaker 2: blocked out the moon or the sun. I love your stuff,
Speaker 2: and you have away with words and it's hilarious. I
Speaker 2: love it. You paint a really good picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean hopefully I related everything I could say.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have any other questions, you're certainly
Speaker 1: welcome to reach out.
Speaker 2: I think you did a great job, man, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just fantastic. You got the totally serendipitous events where you, oh, man,
Speaker 2: my keys dropped that you walked up and you found
Speaker 2: your keys, which is a good thing, of course, and
Speaker 2: a sasquatch happened to be there. You had this momentary standoff.
Speaker 1: It was a yet but moment from God.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, holy smokes, right.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you one and enridge.
Speaker 2: You one exactly, I fold and then you folded, and
Speaker 2: then you turned and ran tail down the mountain, hop
Speaker 2: back in cars.
Speaker 1: Face planet three times exactly, three times in the snow.
Speaker 1: I came up with snow on my face like some
Speaker 1: idiot running from the wind with keys until.
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Big Foy was laughing at you all
Speaker 2: the way. It probably probably clapping at your your your
Speaker 2: performance all the way.
Speaker 1: It was probably was like, watch this thing, let's let's
Speaker 1: wind him up, let's see what he can got.
Speaker 2: Well, that was fantastic. I love the story. You have
Speaker 2: such a way with words. You're and you can just
Speaker 2: I love the way you presented everything. That's just the
Speaker 2: way it is.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: There's the whole attitude of you with the entire evening, like, hey,
Speaker 2: this is it. I don't know, that's it. That's what
Speaker 2: I saw. Take it or leave it, and I'll take it. Man.
Speaker 2: It was great. It was a wonderful report. Super cool.
Speaker 2: I've been taking notes the entire time. I'm adding to
Speaker 2: this to my my database, so you're gonna be added
Speaker 2: on to the twelve or fifteen hundred reports I have
Speaker 2: on my database, my Colorado files. A little light to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, So thank you for helping me
Speaker 2: with that. And you're just a fantastic guest. I don't
Speaker 2: know how you feel about it. In a way I care,
Speaker 2: in a way I don't because I know you're a
Speaker 2: fantastic guest. I hope you agree with me. And if
Speaker 2: you don't, sorry, people are gonna love this episode.
Speaker 1: And I have a way way wards. You do you do?
Speaker 1: You do well?
Speaker 2: You know what? I also straight? I also shoot straight.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, you know. I hope we have a
Speaker 1: chance one day to shake hands as some boy. That'd
Speaker 1: be cool.
Speaker 2: That'd be great, That'd be great. I've got I got
Speaker 2: a couple of jobs in Tennessee. I'm gonna be out
Speaker 2: there late in the year.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll be there.
Speaker 2: I'll show up, all right. So yeah, hopefully next week
Speaker 2: we'll be back with Bobo and Pierce. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for coming on the show. I'm sorry Bobo could
Speaker 2: be here too, but I'm glad I was. You have
Speaker 2: an amazing story and I think all of our listeners
Speaker 2: are going to really enjoy this one. So thank you
Speaker 2: so much for your time. So okay, everybody, big Foot
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Speaker 2: my bfs, my big Foot and Beyond friends. Thank you
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Speaker 2: even know, and I'm the host of this show. But
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