1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: The the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, 2 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,879 the the. 3 00:01:43,519 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: The do. 4 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: Do the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, 5 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:33,800 the the the do. 6 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 4: Do do. 7 00:02:42,719 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 5: Do? Do? 8 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 4: Do do? 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Do? Do? 45 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,879 Speaker 2: Do? Do? Do the. 46 00:11:02,039 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: The the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, 47 00:11:54,159 --> 00:12:10,039 the the the. Oh. 48 00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, when you go start your stream, when. 49 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: You go start your stream. 50 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 6: When I finished my apple son, and yes it's a 51 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:28,919 Keto Apple. It's made of meat. I took meat, shaped 52 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,200 it into the shape of an apple, and then I 53 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:38,799 painted that meat apple colors with non toxic Crayola paints. Therefore, 54 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:48,879 my apple identifies as meat. Thus it's keto. Welcome everybody, 55 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,799 Everybody to the limit. We had a fun fourth hour 56 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,639 of Lord Voldemort with Andrew. Hopefully you guys got to 57 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:06,200 see Andrew Wilson. Uh, first time on the Lord Voldemort Show. 58 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:12,039 I wasn't expecting a alex chit chat. He threw me 59 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,679 for a loop. He said, what do you think of 60 00:13:15,759 --> 00:13:17,600 what's going on? And I answered, and I thought it 61 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,679 was a conversation, and he was saying take it, and 62 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:28,840 he had food in his mouth, and so so I'm 63 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:31,320 doing the same for you. I'm eating my meat apples, 64 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:41,720 I am. I answer everybody's quieting as Mr Apple style 65 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:56,440 with meat am I? Well, I mean apple meat. That's 66 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,639 a little bit of ASM Wars for all you. 67 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 7: Smooth players out there. Tonight in Asmon Radio, Ahgain, Tonight, 68 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:10,559 we're gonna talk about love on the Love Connection. 69 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 6: Unsubscribed goodbye, dude, good riddance. 70 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:23,039 Speaker 8: I said, go ridance to you when you unsubscribed to 71 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,360 me and I'll live my life like a nerven knew 72 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:33,519 you existed. Calls in my life, you didn't existed at all. 73 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 6: You got a little bit of Nickelback and Creed for 74 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:41,360 free right there, just for free, because to me, I 75 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:48,879 don't even know you, son? Gay? What's up all you 76 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,759 Guys's you guys's cutnowns are next level? Do you say gay? 77 00:14:54,120 --> 00:15:00,360 Do you say he's unsubscribing? Didn't you know this was 78 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:08,879 a as Mr slash Nickel Creed channel? How's that when 79 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:11,960 Nickel Creed song go about going back to his high 80 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:12,639 school or whatever. 81 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,799 Speaker 4: Look at this photograph. 82 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,919 Speaker 6: Look at this apple half. Every time a dude makes 83 00:15:23,039 --> 00:15:41,000 miss mack nickel Creed, that's what I'm talking about. That 84 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,679 that's the name of my band. I'm gonna have a 85 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:48,240 Nickelback Creed cover band called nickel Creed, and all we 86 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,519 do them people will think that it's Nickel Creek, a 87 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,200 network a bluegrass band. I'm like, nah, dude, nickel Creed. 88 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,440 We only sing. We don't even sing Nickelback or Creed songs. 89 00:16:01,799 --> 00:16:05,759 We sing every song between the two bands synthesized. 90 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,279 Speaker 1: Oh I just heard. 91 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 6: The photograph. It doesn't even make any sense. It's just synthesized, 92 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,759 Oh man, what's up? Everybody? Welcome. I had to get 93 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:26,919 a little bit of apple meat energy after Lord Voldemort 94 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,919 got my coffee, got my barista wife up in there. 95 00:16:31,919 --> 00:16:35,399 What's up day? You're much more than a barista. Don't worry, 96 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,000 look at this breed the wife. 97 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 4: Uh. 98 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 6: Today, I'm gonna open it up to any topic and 99 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:51,360 we're gonna let you guys decide what you want to 100 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,240 talk about. Okay, we got I got some videos everything 101 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:04,519 from spooky videos to theology videos, to James Lafloor's stuff, 102 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:10,640 to Tucker talking about banks, to Andrew Bustamante talking about 103 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,319 the CIA tapping into women's fantasies. Can the CIA teach 104 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,680 us how to be better mac Daddy's so that you 105 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:22,039 nerds you dorse find a date? Can you learn from 106 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:24,640 the CIA how to get a date? I've got this 107 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:30,400 girl over here talking about dead Internet theory and AI 108 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:35,480 bots taken over the Internet. We've got this conspiracy person 109 00:17:35,519 --> 00:17:39,960 over here talking about the coming clamp to the present, 110 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,359 rolling out coming clamp down of internets, which is not 111 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,799 to save the kids from naked women. They're actually introducing 112 00:17:50,519 --> 00:17:56,440 all of this ID verification ultimately probably for some form 113 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:04,000 of shutting everything down. We got Lumberjack hunter Man. I 114 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:06,160 don't know what this dude is, but he's talking about 115 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,079 books and I like what he said. He had a 116 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:11,519 good message here. I listened to his video. Today. We've 117 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:17,599 got a young gen Z dude talking about NPCs and 118 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,839 no monologues. Remember this. Sorry, by talking about this a 119 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:23,680 few years back, I forgot about This. Doesn't even occur 120 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:27,720 to me that supposedly significant portions of the population thirty 121 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:31,400 to fifty percent don't have an inner monologue. This blows 122 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,279 my mind. I don't even understand, like how it's possible. 123 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:42,640 What's going Like? Did they lose it through toxic chemicals 124 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:48,000 and brainwashing? Do they never have it? Is this environmental epigenetic? 125 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:56,000 Is it genetic? Kind of crazy? We've got Cotel over 126 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:02,240 here talking about Zionism doing his stream on dispensationalism. We 127 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,680 also did a stream, by the way, Jim Bob and 128 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:08,440 I and Posh we did a four hour stream breaking down, 129 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,799 critiquing in toto all of the dispensationalists nonsense, which is 130 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:20,000 on Jim Bob's channel, so you can always go check 131 00:19:20,079 --> 00:19:21,400 that one out. I think I'll put it on my 132 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:26,640 clips channel too. So that's all the stuff on my 133 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,599 mind and that popped up in my feed today. I 134 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,559 want to know what you guys want to talk about. 135 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,119 Call in through the link in the show description and 136 00:19:35,519 --> 00:19:37,839 also that has been pasted into the chat many times. 137 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,400 That is the Twitter link or the X link where 138 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,839 it says call in here. So you call in through Twitter, 139 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,079 you hit request to speak, you get in line, I 140 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,759 will say so, and so you're on unmute yourself. Let's 141 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,519 let's get in the habit of this. Please unmute yourself. 142 00:19:58,599 --> 00:20:00,400 Don't make me have to sit here and say mute 143 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:09,519 dude a million times anyway, So what do y'all want 144 00:20:09,559 --> 00:20:11,480 to talk about? We can also react to some of these. 145 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:19,160 I've also got the infinite reservoir of Tristan's reels. It's 146 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,480 a never ending content well from which we can draw 147 00:20:23,519 --> 00:20:28,519 at any time to go through Tristan's reels. Who you know, 148 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:33,960 our boy Tristan, who sends the craziest reels of anybody endlessly. 149 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:37,400 He's just an infinite reel engine. We're not even really 150 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,799 friends anymore. He's just a source of just crazy reels. 151 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,559 I just look at him as a a program that 152 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:52,240 sends me Reels. I'm just kidding, Tristan. We're still friends. 153 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:55,599 Speaker 4: Yo. 154 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 6: I'm over here drinking now, why mom says our up? 155 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:06,759 Sip sip, sipping on some scissorup. Just kidding. This is 156 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,440 sparkle water. That's not. 157 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 4: All right. 158 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,759 Speaker 6: Let's go to the calls. We got a Nick Is 159 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,759 on the on the line right away, here, Nick, what 160 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,240 I'm what's up? 161 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 4: Jay? Dude? 162 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 9: So I've been going through the philosophy course. By the way, man, 163 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,880 if you guys aren't in the philosophy course. 164 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 6: What do y'all do with my mind? 165 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 4: Yeah? 166 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,079 Speaker 9: Man, oh man, if you guys aren't in the philosophy course, 167 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,960 I mean, you're dumb, Like that's just what it is. Yeah, 168 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,440 so your cook, dude, I've been loving it. I did 169 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:52,319 not expect the level of material that I was getting though. 170 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:54,920 When I went in, I was holding you know, we'll see. 171 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,839 I mean, but it's a it's just been so in 172 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,000 depth that I can't even like fly through the material. 173 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,319 I have to like go and really do the research 174 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,920 on everything because you're throwing out so many resources. 175 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:06,799 Speaker 4: It's just it's been. 176 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 6: Awesome, But that's great. 177 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:11,519 Speaker 9: I had one deep dive that I wanted to ask 178 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:14,440 you a question about so on. I think it was 179 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,000 like your first module where you're going into the presocratics. 180 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:22,160 So I did a deep dive into Baile's an Aximander 181 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,039 and Anaximenes, and I had a question about those three 182 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,640 in relation to debating and not just like in terms 183 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,720 of debating like secular soy boys, but like actually your 184 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:38,759 own internal debates and being able to navigate these conversations. So, 185 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,640 from what I understood is you basically had Dailies who 186 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,039 came up with empiricism. 187 00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 4: You had an Aximander who. 188 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 9: Was really focused on rationalism, and then an Aximenes, who 189 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,319 is focused on mechanism. And so what I've started to 190 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,000 see though, is now whenever I hear people stating a position, 191 00:22:58,519 --> 00:23:02,200 I can just immediately go oh, oh rationalism, oh mechanism, 192 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:05,279 like I can hear from what position they're coming from, 193 00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:08,440 which has been actually really interesting to see this whole 194 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:10,799 door of knowledge opened up to me that I didn't 195 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:13,839 have access to before. But my question I had for you, 196 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:17,759 Jay is when you have those different positions and you 197 00:23:17,839 --> 00:23:21,000 can identify when someone is in that position, do you 198 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:24,480 have like a list of questions that you kind of 199 00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:26,880 go through even if it's yourself or if it's your 200 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,759 in debate with others, when you identify they're in that 201 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:33,160 like kind of like almost like a template of here's. 202 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 4: The types of questions you should ask to. 203 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,519 Speaker 9: Help dismantle the position or to like identify where the 204 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,279 flaws are at in the position. Because that that's been 205 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:44,039 the main thing I've been seeing is just everything is 206 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,920 kind of a combination of one or all of those 207 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,559 all those positions at once. 208 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 6: I don't really have a standard plan, no, I just 209 00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:00,680 kind of let people answer a few questions and then 210 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,440 it's pretty easy to figure out what their worldview is 211 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:06,640 and what the basic assumptions are. And most people have 212 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,279 pretty much the same assumptions no matter what in modernity, 213 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,839 so you don't really get a whole lot of variation 214 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:19,440 in modernity when it comes to worldviews and assumptions. So, 215 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,279 I mean, I'm not trying to be dismissive. It's just like, yeah, 216 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,559 I think also too, if you've done, you know, a 217 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,599 lot of debates from many years, you don't really think 218 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,160 through stuff. It's just kind of second nature how you 219 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,000 answer and how you apply to stuff because you've heard 220 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,200 the same stuff for so many years. 221 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 9: Could I give an example. Sure, So I was going 222 00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:43,599 through some gnostic stuff. It's not that I believe nascissism, 223 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,759 it's just that's hard to me. And I was like, okay, 224 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,880 i'll read through this. So as I'm going through, it's 225 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,480 talking about how everything in the Bible is metaphorical. 226 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 4: And I'm orthodox. 227 00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 9: I'm a catechumen right now, so it's like, okay, I 228 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,680 can read it and understand how it's separate from our 229 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,920 position in orthodoxy. But there's stuff that I'm going through 230 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,920 and I'm like, all right, I mean, I understand how 231 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,000 that could be a metaphor, and maybe that's the case. 232 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:12,599 But then when I think, okay, what's like, what's the 233 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,519 epistemological foundation for that? 234 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 4: This is the metaphor for this? 235 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 9: And the answer is just well, those who have eyes 236 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,039 will see it, and it to me it's like, all right, well, 237 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:25,319 you're kind of in empiricism and then kind of in rationalism, 238 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:29,720 but there's no foundation for it. So when I attack 239 00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:32,640 that position and I go towards okay, well, what's the 240 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,039 proof that you have, they just go towards. Well, it's 241 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,680 obvious to anyone who understands religious symbolry. It's obvious for 242 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:41,000 anyone who can see it. I don't really know how 243 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:43,079 to go further than that because they've just taken a 244 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,799 completely subjective. 245 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 4: Position, So I don't know how to, like you. 246 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 10: Make did you see the gnostic psychomath that came on 247 00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:55,480 to debate Patrick and I? 248 00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 4: No, I haven't. 249 00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it's actually really hard to debate them for 250 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,119 the most difficult debates. 251 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:04,559 Speaker 4: You know why. 252 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,759 Speaker 10: You can't keep them on the train of thought, Like 253 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:12,799 they're all over the place, just jumping from one thing 254 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:16,519 to other, sort of bring them back to I think, Jane, 255 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:19,960 I've noticed that. I mean, even if like gnostics not 256 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:27,359 taking drugs and psychedelics, they're really fragmented in their thought. 257 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,319 Speaker 4: Isn't that interesting that it's really. 258 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: Like the camp It sounds like Florida, man. 259 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 4: It like actually sounds like Florida man. 260 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,279 Speaker 9: Whenever I'm listening to them, it's like schizo rants and 261 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,559 I can't really I can't pin them down on any position. 262 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:42,680 It just kind of goes all over the place. And 263 00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:46,240 then this is just this is esoteric knowledge, brother, like 264 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,039 you you either see it or you don't. 265 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 2: It's not for the masses. 266 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 4: This is kind of what it ends up at usually. 267 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,559 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, there's just so many problems in gnosticism. 268 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,559 I don't I wouldn't even go into trying to figure 269 00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:01,920 out the extra Jesus of various passages. There's nothing about 270 00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:06,119 a passage that automatically necessarily tells you whether it's supposed 271 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,680 to be an allegory or a simile or a metaphor, Like, 272 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,160 it depends on the context, it depends on the you 273 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,839 know what's going on. You can't just say like, oh, well, 274 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,519 this one is obviously symbolic, because it's obvious. It's like, 275 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,319 that's not an answer. Also, like, I mean, the problems 276 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,079 in gnosticism and these kinds of positions are more fundamental 277 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,240 than trying to figure out the right passage in scripture. 278 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:35,119 They're all kind of subjectivist and relativist, and they don't 279 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,640 actually give you any kind of ethic. In fact, we 280 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,880 did a talk some years ago that would probably be 281 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:47,160 a direct, more wide ranging answer to your question where 282 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:54,039 I covered Iurinaeus against heresies and all of his detailing 283 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,559 of the Gnostic sex and groups seven or eight years ago. 284 00:27:58,839 --> 00:27:59,039 Speaker 4: Yeah. 285 00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:07,279 Speaker 10: Yeah, they commit the fallacy of I'm uniquely immune from 286 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:10,319 the criticism you're applying to me, and. 287 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,599 Speaker 4: They also commit. So, for example, if you take one 288 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,079 way to refute. 289 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,039 Speaker 10: Somebody argue with them, is you take whatever their epistemic 290 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,960 standard is, well you just if you have eyes to see, 291 00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:27,400 then you can see it. Like, well, that's crazy because 292 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,720 that's actually my principle. My eyes told me that your 293 00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:33,039 your eyes are. 294 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 4: All messed up. 295 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 10: Oh no, you can't use that same principle against me. 296 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:42,799 You see, that's uniquely I'm immune from that, and so I, 297 00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:46,599 you know, in a humorous way, identified that I'm uniquely 298 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,440 immune from the criticism I'm applying to you. 299 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: But let's take for example, Mohammedians. 300 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 10: Right, they love to go after Christians with higher text criticism. 301 00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 4: Right, yeah, then you bring it up to them for 302 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,400 then no that you can't use that. It's okay, I 303 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:02,960 got I got it. 304 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 11: It's like the in jail. 305 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 9: They'll say that where they're like, oh yeah, christ had 306 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,880 the in jail. It's like, okay, well we have no 307 00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:11,440 documentation of that at all, Like you guys just kind 308 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,240 of made this up. And they're like, well, our text 309 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:17,680 is accurate, but your text is not accurate. But it's 310 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:20,400 just like it doesn't the argument doesn't move anywhere, and 311 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,759 I just kind of exit at that point. I'm like, okay, whatever, 312 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:24,799 I just don't feel the need. I'm also not in 313 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,440 a formal debate setting. But I've just realized that most 314 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,720 of the time, there's never like a hard there's never 315 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:30,799 a hard stance. 316 00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 4: Most of the time it's just it's like a very loose, airy, 317 00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:35,119 fairy stance. 318 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 6: I'm trying to find this talk on aeronas against heresies, 319 00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:49,440 and it's not coming up. It's called it might be 320 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:54,640 hidden in an algorithm. They're out here bank No, I 321 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,839 mean it's it's it's it's actually hidden. It doesn't come up. 322 00:29:58,319 --> 00:29:58,839 That's crazy. 323 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 10: Well, you don't have the special eyes, you see. Yeah, 324 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,839 so you I can see it, Jay, because I've reached 325 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:16,200 I've reached gnosis. But I was gonna say it's thoroughly narcissistic, 326 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:24,200 it's antich hierarchical, and that in itself right because it's. 327 00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:25,759 Speaker 4: Oh I have them not right. 328 00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 10: It's always I think what motivates a lot of these 329 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,400 people to get into the Gnostic text too. 330 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,759 Speaker 4: They don't like the church. 331 00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:35,359 Speaker 10: They don't like the hierarchy, right, so on the church 332 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,240 are the bad guys, you know, See, that's hierarchy. 333 00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:41,759 Speaker 9: And uh, I mean that's like the fundamental position they have, right, 334 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,160 that the nice Seeing Council like took away all the 335 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,039 gnostic texts, so like they fundamentally view the Church is 336 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:49,880 bad because it oppressed gnosticism. 337 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, I found the full talk and I put that 338 00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,480 in the chat for you guys there. So gnosticism refuted 339 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:03,599 in saying against heresies. So awesome. For whatever reason, it's 340 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:11,960 hidden on YouTube. Awesome. Kai, what's up? 341 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 4: Man? 342 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 6: That's a millennial name. Ka, what's okay? 343 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 4: What's up? 344 00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 5: Uh? 345 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 2: It's I got an interesting request. 346 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,519 Speaker 12: So I'm I'm Protestant, but I've been looking into Orthodoxy 347 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:28,880 and I have like a Bible study that I meet 348 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,519 with and I'll talk to them about stuff, and so 349 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,960 I've been kind of bringing up to them like multiple 350 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,400 different questions that like I've been watching about your stuff 351 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,400 that I have, and they'll kind of just like kind 352 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,160 of steamroll me and be like, all right, well it's 353 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,359 five against one. We're just gonna start being like, well, 354 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,519 sol the scriptra and then I'll be like, well, let's 355 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:50,200 talk about that, and. 356 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,079 Speaker 2: Then they'll just kind of, you know, just run over me. 357 00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,920 So uh, I asked some I sent him a text message. 358 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 12: I'm like, hey, so if you could ask an Orthodox 359 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,839 apologist one question, what would it be? 360 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,599 Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna send them this video later. 361 00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 12: So I have a list of six of their questions, 362 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:08,200 and I was wondering if you could answer them for me. 363 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 6: I mean, I'll answer one or two, but I mean, 364 00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:15,039 that's why we do use live streams. I'm not going 365 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,200 to answer six linky massive theological questions in a row 366 00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:22,279 when you know we've got clips, channels, We've got like 367 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:24,960 thousands of hours of this material up. What's up? 368 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 12: Yeah, I've been trying to listen to a lot of 369 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,799 your stuff and then send them clips. 370 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:30,839 Speaker 2: But you know how that works. 371 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,119 Speaker 12: No one wants to click on a four hour long video, 372 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,839 even if you're like, just send them a two minute 373 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:35,279 clip of it. 374 00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,319 Speaker 6: Okay, go ahead, what's your question about the two? 375 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 4: Real quick? 376 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,119 Speaker 6: Then? 377 00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:48,319 Speaker 12: Okay, the first one and this one's very basic, but 378 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,519 I feel like there's a very I have a very 379 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,880 Protestant understanding of this. 380 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,039 Speaker 2: I was wondering what the Orthodox understanding is. What is 381 00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:55,720 the gospel? 382 00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 6: Well, Paul says, the gospel is the resurrection of crime, 383 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,880 and thus it's our participation in the resurrection you know 384 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,759 what you notice when he's asked that and he says 385 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,759 it's the death rown resurrection. He doesn't say that it's 386 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,039 the sinner's prayer. 387 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:16,319 Speaker 12: M Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, this one is the 388 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,039 next one. What is done differently that brings an Orthodox 389 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,200 Christian to Christ and separates a Protestant from him? 390 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 6: What's done differently that separates from. 391 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,079 Speaker 2: Him Protestant from Christ? And then what brings an Orthodox person. 392 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 4: Closer to Christ? 393 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,319 Speaker 10: Well, I mean there's a lot of things, but Christian 394 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:45,519 foremost the sacraments, that they're efficacious, the Gods divine energies, 395 00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:50,599 like we actually God's not just a proposition in our heads. 396 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,240 You actually encounter them. And there's not just seven there's 397 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,519 the seven Sacraments, but the entire Church of Sacrament, the icons, 398 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,880 the So if we're going to be healed, and that's 399 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:10,199 what salvation is, it's an actual, not a propositional right 400 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,480 encounter with a proposition or a belief system, but with 401 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,679 actual encounter with God. 402 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,079 Speaker 4: And that's the medicine. 403 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 10: So you know, and all the modes in which God 404 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,079 exists in stecments are obviously different. The way that He 405 00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:30,159 exists in the uterus is different than the way that 406 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,079 she exists in the confessional and the icons and stuff 407 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:33,320 like that. 408 00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:35,199 Speaker 4: But it's Protestants don't have that. 409 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 2: They have it. 410 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 6: I mean, I have a video top ten reasons I'm 411 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,880 not Protestant with all, which will cover all these. So 412 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,679 go ahead, thank you. 413 00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:47,559 Speaker 2: I have one last one. 414 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:59,559 Speaker 6: Mm hmm, are you there, Sippensen scissor sip sip sipen No, 415 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:01,960 are you there, dude, we lost him. 416 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 4: We're here. 417 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 6: Come on, Crucible, what's up, Crucible? 418 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 4: Hello? 419 00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 13: Hey, hey, I basically have maybe what would be seen 420 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,039 as a twisted view. I believe in the Holy Trinity, 421 00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:34,840 and I was Protestant and grew grew up Catholic, and 422 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,119 but anyways, I'm interested in being Orthodox, but I believe 423 00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,599 that maybe God maybe didn't make. 424 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:48,159 Speaker 4: People black people. 425 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:56,039 Speaker 6: And yeah, that's really funny. Other uh yeah, super funny, dude, Luco, 426 00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:56,480 what's up? 427 00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:56,679 Speaker 4: Man? 428 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 14: Made is twisted? It is freaking email god or child 429 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,559 twisted edgy, it's metal. 430 00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:13,559 Speaker 4: God, d. 431 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:23,679 Speaker 6: That's the twisted, twisted metal. What's up, man? I'm your Luca. 432 00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:25,039 My name is Luca. 433 00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:27,079 Speaker 4: I agree. 434 00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 15: I'm a guy from Serbia. And maybe it's not even 435 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,360 that I'm trying to debate or anything. I listened to 436 00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:36,760 a bit of your stuff and I really want to 437 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,039 see that. 438 00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 4: I admire your knowledge and everything. 439 00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,199 Speaker 2: But maybe a bit of a local question. 440 00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 15: I know you you read Houston Popovich, which is Serbian 441 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,320 Orthodox scholar, and I wanted to ask you what is 442 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:58,639 your opinion on Vatican's role in killings of Orthodox serves 443 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,320 people in the circle of the World War, because it 444 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,159 is documented. 445 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've talked about it a lot. I mean, that's 446 00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,199 one of the reasons why the Vatican is evil is 447 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,000 that they have beatified the person behind that, and the 448 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:16,800 cardinal was a steponic. Yeah, we've talked about that many times. 449 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 4: Oh, did you you have videos on it or well, we've. 450 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 6: Talked about it. I haven't made a specific video on it, 451 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,519 but yeah, no, it's the Vatican. It's totally corrupt. 452 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,559 Speaker 15: Yeah, but is there any like theological explanation? I mean, 453 00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:36,599 obviously they disagree in auctions and everything, but isn't it 454 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:37,400 a bit too much? 455 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:38,119 Speaker 2: You know. 456 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 6: Right now? Is there a theological explanation of what. 457 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:44,159 Speaker 4: I mean? 458 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:50,159 Speaker 15: You know, the schism lasted for thousands of years and 459 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:55,000 there wasn't like any killing up until that point between ords, 460 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:57,280 dogs and cattle the people years. 461 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,280 Speaker 6: What are you talking about? 462 00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:04,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Kisson was in uh thousand fifty three, if. 463 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 6: I believe four. But what about it? 464 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 10: There was all kinds of you saying there wasn't any killings, 465 00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:11,920 but they're all kinds of killings because. 466 00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 6: Of the Yeah, Rome killed Orthodox Christians all the time. 467 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,639 There was I mean, they they invaded, uh you know, 468 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,480 they sacked they zantheum, what do you mean? 469 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 4: And they in the in the unions too. 470 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:30,079 Speaker 6: Yeah? 471 00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:38,039 Speaker 4: They also uh am I blanking killed Peter. 472 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean there's there's tons of that. 473 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,800 I'm not trying to be rude, but I know that 474 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,119 they have killed uh Orthodox people many times. Wasn't just 475 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,400 a cardinal step On Neck or whatever his name is. 476 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:48,760 What's up? 477 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 13: Man? 478 00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 6: Hey man? 479 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,639 Speaker 16: I just wanted to expand on what that Protestant guy 480 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,440 was asking if it's okay with you. Uh, Protestants don't 481 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,000 worship at all. What you do is worship the idea 482 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,480 of God in your mind. And you also don't worship 483 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:09,400 anything because you don't have the sacrificial meal aspect. If 484 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,360 you went too any country in antiquity, it wasn't about 485 00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,199 how you worshiped, it was who you worshiped, because worship 486 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,320 was done almost identically throughout every system. I just wanted 487 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,320 to I'm so tired of Protestant saying they worship God. 488 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 4: You don't. 489 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 16: You worship an idea in your mind. You venerate yourself. 490 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,320 You don't submit to any authority. Right, if God says 491 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,719 homosexuality is back, you agree with that. But if you 492 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,800 ask you to be chased in marriage in the same way, 493 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,079 you won't do that because you don't understand what this 494 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:41,679 really is. 495 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 6: That's all I had to say. Yeah, I think it's 496 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,679 important to realize that worship, as we noted in a 497 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,360 lot of these debates with the Roman Catholics when it 498 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,960 came to whether Muslims, Christians, and Jews quote worship the 499 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:57,079 same God, the only way are One of the ways 500 00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,360 that they could get away with that fallacious line of 501 00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:04,079 argument was by redefining worship to be mental assent to 502 00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:08,079 what you think you believe in. That's not what worship means. 503 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,079 Worship is not just mentally assenting to the existence of 504 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,239 the thing in certain propositions. Worship is defined within the 505 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,280 context of the world being the religion in discussion, and 506 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,400 so from our vantage point, Muslims do not have the Eucharist, 507 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:28,320 they do not have any notion of sacrifice whatsoever in 508 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,239 their worship. God in the Bible has always required sacrifice 509 00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:36,719 all the way back to the beginning. And that's because 510 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,639 Jesus is a priest after the order of Malchisedec. That's 511 00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:44,679 an eternal priesthood that he's always had. It didn't begin 512 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,000 when he came to exist. His priesthood is the pattern 513 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:54,119 for Malchisedex priesthood, you see, because people don't understand Jesus 514 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,639 is the eternal second person. So it's it's I think, 515 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,440 just all flipped around backwards in people's minds. They think 516 00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,599 that really, the more I think about it, I was 517 00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:08,599 arguing with a Roman Catholic friend of mine the other day, 518 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,840 Well we weren't arguing, but we were going back and 519 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,400 forth in texts. And he's a super smart guy, one 520 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,719 of my last remaining trad cat buddies, and he's not 521 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,639 really kept up with They've been familiar with a lot 522 00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,039 of the Muslim debates that we've done in the last 523 00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:26,960 several years. And he was asking me about the Old 524 00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:30,159 Testament Unitarian God, and I'm like, there is no Old 525 00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:32,639 Testament Unitarian God. And this sort of blew his mind. 526 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 2: He was like what. 527 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,519 Speaker 6: And I'm just like, have you not listened to anything 528 00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:40,320 that we've been arguing for the last seven or eight 529 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,960 years against the Muslims, Like what do you mean? 530 00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 4: Man? 531 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 6: Like, there is there's no Old Testament Unitarian God that Muslims, Hebrews, 532 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,760 or that Unitarians all point to. And then there's this 533 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,480 new thing called Trinity that's you know, comes, that's that's 534 00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:59,440 hinted at in the Gospels and invented by the Church fathers. 535 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,239 It's just really weird that people don't know what's in 536 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,559 the Old Testament. I mean, Roman Catholics just don't read it. 537 00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:08,559 They have no idea what the toy teach is. They 538 00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:11,440 have no idea what's in the prophets. If they did, 539 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,840 there's no way they could make these preposterous, just out 540 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,400 to lunch statements like the Unitarian God of the Old Testament. 541 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:23,559 So the more I think about it, the more I 542 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,400 deal with people from varying positions, whether it's Tomas or 543 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,239 whether it's Muslims and Jews as well. But they've only 544 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,679 debated once or twice over here. It's pretty evident to 545 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,239 me that Theophanes, pretty much Theophanies and the trendid in 546 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,920 the Old Testament ends up kind of being the clincher 547 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,719 for all of this, because if that's true, then all 548 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,880 of this nonsense of the Roman Catholics and their idea 549 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,400 that we worship the same Gosam, it all falls away 550 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,639 because there was no Old Testament Unitarian God, so there 551 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,360 is no common ground. They're all assuming there's a common 552 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,480 ground of Unitarianism, don't you understand. That's that's what natural 553 00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:09,639 theology is all about. You know, Muslims teach natural theology 554 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,480 just like the Thomas. They have the exact same position 555 00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:21,719 on natural theology. So it's really ironic that all of 556 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,800 this is kind of ultimately coming down to what's in 557 00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:29,000 the law and the profits, which is kind of wild. 558 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,360 Then a ghosto became a Remember David James Flood five pounds. 559 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960 I have a book recommendation for you. It's called The 560 00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:39,440 Two World Wars and Tiny Mustache Man who was responsible 561 00:43:41,159 --> 00:43:47,039 Anglo money, Foreign Agents geopolitics. Yeah, that sounds interesting, kind 562 00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:48,719 of sounds like the one is that. I think that 563 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,280 might be the one that my publisher is putting out. 564 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,960 If that's what it is. I'm familiar with that EB 565 00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:58,360 five dollars. Bro, you gotta make the intro music loop. 566 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,719 It does loop well. Read one piece. It's about secret 567 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,840 societies in the world government, the racist history. I'm assuming 568 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:15,719 you're talking about a fictional thing. Y saw twenty dollars. 569 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,519 Thank you for your content on church history. I'm moving 570 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:24,880 towards orthodoxy. Can you riff on muscular Christianity? I don't 571 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,239 know what that means. You're talking about like the strong boys, 572 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:32,400 like like the what are those guys called the the 573 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,119 God squad? Or is that I get that mixed up 574 00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:40,079 with righteous gemstones? What's the. 575 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't think of the name of it. 576 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:52,119 Speaker 6: When I was evangelical in the nineties, these dudes would 577 00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,280 come to the like the Baptists love this stuff. They 578 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,119 would get the the I don't know what they're called 579 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,159 like this this Damie disc calls them the strong boys. 580 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,760 Like they come and then they they pick up this 581 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,039 thing for Jesus, and it's like, look what you can 582 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,199 do if you believe the Gospel. It's like, see all this, 583 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,719 I want to live that well, pray the sinner's prayer. 584 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,159 There you go, right, that's great. Uh, but they had 585 00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:20,519 a name. It's just not somebody in the chat will 586 00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,559 remember it. The Power Team. That's it, thank you, thank 587 00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:25,239 you Power Team. 588 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:25,519 Speaker 17: Yeah. 589 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,639 Speaker 6: Did you have that in Calvary Chapel and all that 590 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,400 back in your day? 591 00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:30,199 Speaker 2: Well? 592 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 4: No, but they played up. 593 00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:37,159 Speaker 10: You know, I wrestled on Calvin Chapel and they had 594 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,840 do you remember they had the Lord's Gym? Yes, and 595 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,519 it was like power Team. 596 00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 4: Like they loved those. And then is that funny? Then 597 00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:53,280 you have Shuler. Robert Schuler is our power It's crazy 598 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,920 how many? And I was just watching Oh what is 599 00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:03,840 the name of the Uh? I always forget this. It's uh, 600 00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:05,639 sort of like twilight Zone. 601 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 6: But it's more I think this guy's wearing This guy's 602 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,639 wearing like karate kids ship Like he's wearing like a bandana, 603 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:19,280 and he's chopping b He's kicking and chopping bricks. What's this, dud, dude? 604 00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:21,639 This dude's blowing up balloons? What the heck is this? 605 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 2: What you up? 606 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 4: Balloons? 607 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 6: Dude? Before I was converted, I could never blow up 608 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,760 a balloon. But now that I prayed the Sinner's prayer, 609 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,360 I'm I'm I'm awesome at balloons. 610 00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 18: Man. 611 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,599 Speaker 6: Remember before Jesus before before you were good at balloons. 612 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,199 Speaker 4: That's hilarious. 613 00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:46,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, but how good are you at balloons? 614 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 19: Oh? 615 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,039 Speaker 6: It popped? What the heck? 616 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:51,519 Speaker 2: What? 617 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,599 Speaker 6: I don't understand? What the power? Oh yeah, the Power 618 00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:57,320 team would tear up the phone book to remember that 619 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,719 they could rip the phone. Yeah, like this guy's ripping 620 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,880 the phone book. Oh you can get real mad, hey 621 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,920 brother exactly. Oh, he's ripping multiple Oh they're having a 622 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,119 phone book rip off? Like who could rip more phone books? Jamie? 623 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,519 You remember the strong boys in Baptist Church. 624 00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:19,639 Speaker 4: Why does his balloon look like a big whoopy cushion? 625 00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:25,760 Speaker 6: Exactly? That's like, what is that doesn't becushion? It's like, okay, 626 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,519 now they're gonna are they gonna? They're gonna break a 627 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,760 bat in half? Look at this pop. 628 00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 10: I can't find the best one that I really love 629 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,800 is drunk on the Holy Spirit? 630 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:40,119 Speaker 4: Dude? 631 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,599 Speaker 6: Is that a what do you mean? It's like a bodybuilder? 632 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 4: No, he was like on I think you advice did something. 633 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 10: But like he's this guy who's all tatted up and 634 00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,320 he gets like high and drunk on the like he's 635 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,199 like drink cup this Holy Spirit. 636 00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:58,760 Speaker 2: Oh wow? 637 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,559 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like you guys like a church guy. 638 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 6: Remember the strong boys, Jamie. Look at these guys. Did 639 00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:09,079 you have the power team come to your Baptist church? 640 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,440 You didn't have it? 641 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 11: What do you mean? 642 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,199 Speaker 6: Remember these guys? Every bad every Baptist church had the 643 00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:20,679 power team. How could you not have it? Look they're 644 00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:25,719 blowing up balloons. I don't know why, but how good 645 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:26,599 are you at balloons? 646 00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: That's incredible? 647 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,639 Speaker 6: Is that what it's supposed to be? Can't every I know, 648 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,039 can't everyone blow up a balloon? 649 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 2: Though? 650 00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:40,199 Speaker 6: Anyway? Now everybody? So how do we get on that? 651 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 4: Oh? 652 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 6: The super Jack question was, uh, can you riff on bodybuilding? 653 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 2: What was it? 654 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,800 Speaker 6: Muscular Christianity? Well, Father Moses is a bodybuilder. Bodybuilding is 655 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,000 pretty good. Yeah. 656 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 4: If you're like it's faking great. 657 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:03,800 Speaker 6: Thank gay. But I mean I'm not into, you know, 658 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:09,480 becoming like one of these massive steroid beast type of dudes. 659 00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:12,000 To me, that looks ridiculous. I don't understand why people 660 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:17,320 do that. But can you pair the strength. 661 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:19,599 Speaker 4: With spirit? 662 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,760 Speaker 6: In the spirit, I don't know what that means. Yes, said, 663 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,440 let's hoist weight and eat apple meat exactly. Now you're 664 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,119 talking about language tony twenty pounds. I agree, that all 665 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,440 worldviews have assumptions when it comes to foundations. My friend 666 00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:39,000 said to me, but you are assuming God to prove God. 667 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,440 I tried to use tag How do I refute this? 668 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,880 This is my first time super chatting. Well, the atheist 669 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,760 is missing the point of the argument. The argument is 670 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,639 not that you're saying, well, I prove God by just 671 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,239 assuming that God exists. Therefore God exists. You're actually saying that. 672 00:49:57,159 --> 00:50:01,639 It's an indirect argument, and you're saying that if God exists, 673 00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:06,800 then world views and knowledge are possible. If God doesn't exist, 674 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,760 world views and knowledge and ethics are not possible. We 675 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,639 have world views, we have knowledge, we have ethics. Therefore 676 00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:17,960 God exists. So they're missing that. It's a different type 677 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,719 of argument. The argument is not God exists, I assume him, 678 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,400 therefore he exists. That's not what we're saying. 679 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,480 Speaker 10: Did you want to say something if God didn't exist, 680 00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:29,039 you think we could blow up balloons like that? 681 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 6: Yeah? How could you have power teams? It would be impossible. 682 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,519 There would be no power. There would be no power, 683 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,239 so there would be no power teams. Guy, five dollars. 684 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,239 I started digging into church history. Do you know of 685 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,719 good YouTube videos? About the Church Fathers. Yeah, I have 686 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,480 many of those on my channel that are much older. 687 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,320 So if you go to the front page of my channel, 688 00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:51,599 you will notice a lecture series I did five or 689 00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,360 six years ago. I don't know why nobody ever checks 690 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,719 out people's main pages. It's just weird, like people don't 691 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,039 go to anyone's main page anymore, because if you did, 692 00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:05,440 you would see, here's all the debates in a playlist. 693 00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,480 Here is traditional philosophy, metaphysics, and in this talk we 694 00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:11,480 go through the entirety of John Damascus, Saint John Damascus 695 00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,599 is on the Orthodox faith. So there's a whole series there. 696 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,519 And also, guys, people don't know this maybe, but on 697 00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:22,880 the front of everyone's channel is a channel specific search box. 698 00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:26,280 Is that right there? So we could search, for example, 699 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,760 church fathers, and you'll get me five years ago doing 700 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,519 a talk on Yaroslav Pelicans Volume one. Right there, you'll 701 00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:41,519 get a talk here, fifteen Orthodox books, seven ecumenical councils. 702 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:41,840 Speaker 2: Right. 703 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 6: A lot of this is there's on Pallem St. Gregory Palama, 704 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,880 so a lot of church father stuff will come up. Unfortunately, 705 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,280 we know that it's the search functions are not the 706 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,679 best over here, but they still kind of work. They 707 00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:03,559 halfway work. Let's talk God. Five dollars. What is orthodox 708 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,199 predestination or predestination is seen through the lens of Christology. 709 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,360 So yes, I do have videos on this, and again 710 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,760 it's underneath the John Damascus lecture series down here. So 711 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,719 go to my main page and play this playlist right here. 712 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,679 See this, This is going through all of the essenceentrity, 713 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:31,880 sinction stuff. All that stuff is right here, Adam crazy 714 00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:37,480 five dollars. Muscular Christianity is a philosophy about athletic discipline 715 00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:41,559 masculine Christianity from the UK at the turn of the 716 00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:45,079 twentieth century. It is actually the origins of the YMCAO. 717 00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:48,039 I didn't know that. I did not know that Muscular 718 00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:53,639 Christianity so it's an actual Protestant movement. I did not 719 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,039 know that. Thank you, Adam. I thought we were talking 720 00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:02,679 about the power team cosmic saws. Five dollars. Did you 721 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,880 see that Peers removed your picture? Well it's not Peers. 722 00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:12,480 For whatever reason, my picture was never on the thumb 723 00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:15,599 It was on it wasn't on the thumbnail, and then 724 00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:17,599 it was on a thumbnail, and then it wasn't on 725 00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,159 the thumbnail. But another thing that they do, and a 726 00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:24,880 lot of big channels do, is rotate thumbnails. And this 727 00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:28,840 is a mister Beast strategy. What they do is the 728 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,320 first time a video goes up, it has one thumbnail, 729 00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:36,360 and then after the core you know, superfan audience watches it, 730 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,960 they'll rotate to another thumbnail because people will then think, oh, 731 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,559 that's a different video. I didn't see that it's a 732 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,960 different thumbnail. So this is kind of a YouTube strategy. 733 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,920 I don't know that it was intentionally removing me from 734 00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:53,119 but they could have been, because who knows. I haven't 735 00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:55,679 been asked back on although I did email the producers 736 00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,679 and ask them. I said, was I too sassy? You 737 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:01,599 every time I come on? You guys have asked me 738 00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:05,039 to be sassy? And they said no. They said we 739 00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,480 would like to have you back, so we'll see. 740 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 2: No. 741 00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:14,840 Speaker 6: Helen, No, Helen, no, Helen. Hey, Jamie, could you make 742 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,519 me an expresso? Are you in there? Thank you? 743 00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:21,679 Speaker 4: Am? I on? Yeah? 744 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,079 Speaker 6: What's up? 745 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:22,199 Speaker 4: Man? 746 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:22,920 Speaker 2: Hey? 747 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,119 Speaker 4: What's up? Panel? I had a question and I wanted 748 00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:30,119 to get your take on it. This is second Timothy 749 00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,039 three two Timothy chapter. 750 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:37,400 Speaker 19: Three, verses fifteen to seventeen, about how all scripture is breathed. 751 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:37,599 Speaker 6: Out by God. 752 00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:41,039 Speaker 4: I'm sure we're all familiar. So I was doing a little. 753 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:46,400 Speaker 19: Research on this passage by Paul to Timothy, and I 754 00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:51,480 was able to dig up some interesting facts by it. 755 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,360 How it was written somewhere around. 756 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:59,519 Speaker 4: Sixty four and sixty seven a d. Before the time 757 00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:02,840 of most gospels. I think that we do. We have 758 00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:06,440 the Gospel of Mark recorded around. 759 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,239 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's referring to the Old Testament. 760 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,679 Speaker 19: Text correct, Yeah, yeah, So I guess, as you, being 761 00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:17,239 an Orthodox believer, how how would you reconcile something like 762 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,639 the words of Paul saying that if you're trying to 763 00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:28,039 live righteously and the Torah is the I guess the. 764 00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:31,440 Speaker 4: What you want to refer back to when you're training 765 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,320 for righteousness and reprove and correction, et cetera. 766 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,119 Speaker 19: How do you guys, then, or what's your take on 767 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,679 reconciling the validity of the Torah that Paul is writing 768 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:42,800 about to Timothy. 769 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,360 Speaker 6: There is no need to reconcile anything. I don't even 770 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,280 understand the argument. What there's nothing in this cell. There's 771 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,000 nothing in this text that number one teaches solo scripture. 772 00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:54,559 There's nothing in this text that teaches that there won't 773 00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:57,639 be Yeah, and we finished that there won't be New 774 00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,119 Testament passages that are also part of Scripture. So what 775 00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:02,199 do you mean reconciling what? 776 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:03,360 Speaker 2: So? 777 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,360 Speaker 4: So let's take, for example, let's say food laws. Let's 778 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,519 take that for example, right the Vedicus eleven. 779 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 19: It's a it's a divine command from God to eat 780 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,760 clean animals, and. 781 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,679 Speaker 4: So as an Orthodox, I believe you believe that we 782 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,079 can eat whatever we want. 783 00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:24,800 Speaker 6: I mean, are you familiar with the hold on? So 784 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,719 you're appealing to Paul as your starting point right for this? 785 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,840 Speaker 4: Well, I'm appealing to Paul scripture. 786 00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:35,079 Speaker 6: Yes, okay, So elsewhere Paul explains explains the dietary laws, 787 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,559 doesn't he like at the end of Timothy verse Timothy, 788 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:39,599 where he says that all food is given by God 789 00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,800 and is sanctified by the Word of God in prayer. 790 00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:50,119 Speaker 19: Okay, So I guess here's where I would push back 791 00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:51,400 a little bit and say. 792 00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:57,360 Speaker 6: How elt let me ask you this question before you 793 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,400 go into this. In the other passages where Paul talks 794 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,280 about dietary laws, how does he exidute them? What's their significance? 795 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:18,199 Are you there? I guess we lost him. Are you there, man, 796 00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:20,800 I still see you, but you're not. We can't hear you. 797 00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:25,599 Speaker 4: I never understand this too. 798 00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,599 Speaker 6: I mean, try to call back in if you'd like to. 799 00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:34,920 Speaker 10: Because a doctor gave you a dietary prescription, does it 800 00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:38,280 follow that what I have to be on this diet forever. 801 00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 4: That's why I don't understand what hope, well, God says it. 802 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:46,440 You know how you brought this up to. 803 00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:50,559 Speaker 10: Like, obviously things can be some like parents do the 804 00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:55,679 same thing too. There can be laws and prescriptions given 805 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,440 for a period of time, but for some reason people 806 00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:01,920 can't get to be like, well, it's God, it has 807 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:02,719 to be well. 808 00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:07,360 Speaker 6: I mean, even Jews believe that there's certain laws and 809 00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:10,920 prescriptions from God that were for a certain amount of time, 810 00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:14,400 or were temperary or can be bypassed. For example, Jews 811 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,239 don't have a temple, and they will say that, well, 812 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,519 when there's no temple, then you just do your good 813 00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:22,039 works and that makes up for not having a temple. Well, 814 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:27,159 that's the Christian position. Likewise, Paul many many times in 815 00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:31,159 the New Testament speaks about the dietary laws and their temporal, 816 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,760 limited scope and usefulness. So when the Messiah came as 817 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,760 the Book of Hebrews says those things are no longer necessary. 818 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,480 They serve their time, and you can't go back to 819 00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:48,679 the thing that those things pointed to, Right Like, if 820 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,079 Jesus has come and that's the purpose of all those things, 821 00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:54,400 it would be a retrograde move to go to those 822 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,639 things when the reality that those things typified has come, 823 00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:01,039 the realities here. It'd be like saying, I don't want 824 00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:06,599 to build the Trump Tower. I want the miniature, you know, 825 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,199 little desk model that Trump built of Trump Tower that's 826 00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:18,320 sitting on his desk. Well, but the model is pointing 827 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:23,000 to and shadowing, foreshadowing of the actual Trump Tower when 828 00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:26,960 it gets built, Right, Yeah, why would you go back 829 00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:31,679 to the model? It's just doesn't make any sense. Paul Paul, 830 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,920 many times over in The New Testament, for example, says 831 00:59:34,039 --> 00:59:39,719 that the division between different foods, different unclean and clean animals, 832 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,960 or different garments sewed together, or different seeds in a field. 833 00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:49,320 He says those were all symbolic of moral goods and evils. 834 00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:56,480 Unclean animals symbolized vices, they symbolize sin. Okay, that's the 835 00:59:56,599 --> 01:00:00,880 pedagogical purpose of the clean and unclean animals. Strictly speaking, 836 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,440 there's no such thing as an unclean animal, because God 837 01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:06,239 created them. Think how stupid this is that God creates 838 01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,880 something unclean? Of course not. The restrictions were in place 839 01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:14,599 as a pedagogical tool for a temporary time period to 840 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,400 teach Jews a lesson about good and evil until the 841 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,159 Messiah comes. And then Jesus says, it is not what 842 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,079 enters a man that makes them unclean, but the things 843 01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:25,159 that proceed out of his mouth, because they proceed from 844 01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:28,400 his heart, that make a man unclean. So Jesus himself 845 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,320 says that it's not about the unclean animals, and Paul 846 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,639 says this is many times over as well. 847 01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:36,400 Speaker 4: It's totally man. I can't. 848 01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:37,039 Speaker 9: I mean. 849 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,480 Speaker 6: Again, well, what's the whole purpose of the vision that 850 01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:44,360 Peter has of the unclean animals coming down in the 851 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,440 blanket and God says, rise and eat Peter, Oh, I 852 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,719 would never do that, and he says, rise and eat. 853 01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:52,840 Speaker 4: More. 854 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 6: It's uh, okay, he's back if he wants to try 855 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:56,440 to talk again. 856 01:00:58,519 --> 01:01:00,800 Speaker 19: I think I lost you guys earlier. I was able 857 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,039 to I was able to listen, and you guys were 858 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:10,599 about so without I suppose that. I mean, we can't 859 01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:13,480 get into the whole dietary Reistricians. I'm not uh, I'm 860 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:14,840 not opposed to go in there, but I just wanted 861 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,639 to go back and bring it back to the writing 862 01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:20,360 of Paul. Was as if you were tried or live 863 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:25,639 a righteous life, Timothy about to observe, to train in 864 01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:28,760 all righteousness. So so you're saying that there is no 865 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,480 reconciliation because Christ is time. 866 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,000 Speaker 4: Therefore we must. 867 01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:34,960 Speaker 6: I mean, have you read the Book of has it's 868 01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:39,000 only temporary? Have you read the book? Ready? What what 869 01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:40,159 does it say about all these things? 870 01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:46,400 Speaker 4: Read? So it says that the law is the the. 871 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,800 Speaker 6: What does it say about the Sabbath? Law dogs? 872 01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 4: I think that's Chapter ten talks about. 873 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,519 Speaker 6: The Sabbath is chapter four of Christ? Chapter four is 874 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:00,320 the Sabbath? What does it say about that stuff? 875 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,000 Speaker 19: It talks about how it's a shadow of things to come. 876 01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:06,519 Speaker 6: And okay, has Christ come? 877 01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:14,119 Speaker 4: Gas come? But here I believe is a there's an 878 01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:17,199 issue because it just take the plane reading with just 879 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:17,920 isolating that. 880 01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:21,440 Speaker 6: There's no such thing as isolating passages with a plane reading. 881 01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:23,480 That's what every heretical second is. 882 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,960 Speaker 4: It's true. But what I'm what I'm saying is referring 883 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,280 to the whole council of Scripture. 884 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,639 Speaker 6: And what I mean by you're not And you just 885 01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:34,360 literally said, I'm going to isolate a passage. How are you? 886 01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:37,119 How are you referring to the How are you? 887 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,039 Speaker 4: You? Can I speak? 888 01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:41,599 Speaker 6: No, because because what you're no, you're not going to 889 01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:42,760 be able to just blow past. 890 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:46,119 Speaker 19: So, so here's so no, no, no, Well, I'm trying 891 01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:48,079 to finish a sentence and you're trying to interrupt. 892 01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:48,880 Speaker 4: I let you speak. 893 01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,199 Speaker 6: I mean, what you're saying doesn't make sense. That's why 894 01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:54,440 I'm interrupting you. It's not because I'm being mean. You 895 01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:56,679 just said I want to appeal. I want to appeal 896 01:02:56,719 --> 01:02:59,000 to the pash For a second, you said you want 897 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,800 to appeal to the whole count to God, and then 898 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,679 you said, let's isolate this passage that doesn't make any sense. 899 01:03:03,719 --> 01:03:16,400 That's a contradiction. Hello are you there? 900 01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:19,840 Speaker 4: Hello? Hello? Yeah? Can you hear me? 901 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,599 Speaker 6: Yes? How are you appealing to the whole counsel of God? 902 01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:26,760 If you're saying that, let's take this passage in isolation? 903 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:27,760 That makes no sense? 904 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:28,920 Speaker 2: No? 905 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,280 Speaker 4: Again, you're you're I did not say that. 906 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,360 Speaker 6: You did say that. That is literally what you said. 907 01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:36,239 Speaker 4: You everybody can go back in this video and watch 908 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:37,159 everybody heard. 909 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,239 Speaker 6: Those are the thousand people watching right now. That's what 910 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:40,519 you said. What are you talking about? 911 01:03:40,639 --> 01:03:42,480 Speaker 4: And I'm glad they are. And I'm glad they are. 912 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,840 Speaker 19: I'm saying that you can't isolate something alone, because that 913 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:47,920 would be I sagging says. 914 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,519 Speaker 4: You can look at the entire Council of Scripture or 915 01:03:50,599 --> 01:03:51,360 interpret scripture. 916 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,880 Speaker 6: You have to look at Did you not say, let's 917 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,920 take this passage in isolation, I say, lest I don't. 918 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,559 Speaker 4: I don't believe I said that. I'm saying this. 919 01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:01,079 Speaker 19: Okay, if I okay, let's s let's say for the 920 01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:02,400 sake of it, I did. Okay, So let me let 921 01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,400 me let me wreck myself. Well, let me make myself 922 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,920 a little bit more clear in case I did say that, 923 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,719 I don't believe that it's proper exegesus to take a 924 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:18,880 single passage and interpret that to be the definitive conclusion. Rather, 925 01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:21,920 I'm saying that you should look at the entire Council 926 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:22,519 of Scripture. 927 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,639 Speaker 6: You're literally doing that with this passage. 928 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,000 Speaker 4: Can I can I finish my sentence? 929 01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:29,639 Speaker 6: You are literally doing that with this passage? 930 01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:31,280 Speaker 4: Can I can I finish my sentence? 931 01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:32,599 Speaker 6: Finish your sentence. 932 01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:35,599 Speaker 4: Thank you take your breath. 933 01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:38,599 Speaker 6: So now I'm not I'm not the one that's what 934 01:04:38,679 --> 01:04:41,199 you're saying is retarded, So don't now, don't tell me 935 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,480 to take a breath. And then who you're interrupting me 936 01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:46,559 after you say some stupid let let somebody finish their 937 01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:50,159 Make your argument, dude, your argument is garbage. It doesn't 938 01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:50,840 make any sense. 939 01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:51,719 Speaker 4: That's that's cool. 940 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,440 Speaker 6: I know the don't make it. Stop blining, make it. 941 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,159 Speaker 4: And stop blinning. 942 01:04:56,199 --> 01:04:59,239 Speaker 6: Okay, you already contradicted yourself, and then you're acting like 943 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,719 I'm the one that's a problem. You contradicted yourself. 944 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:03,280 Speaker 4: Let me know where I can speak. 945 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,840 Speaker 6: Dude, you contradicted yourself, and then when I call you 946 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,800 out on it, you're acting like I won't let you talk. 947 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:16,920 When you're saying garbage, make your argument speak, make the argument. 948 01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:21,199 Speaker 19: You can't look at isolated passages and then just say 949 01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:22,480 that that's that's what that says. 950 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:23,119 Speaker 4: You have to look at it. 951 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,639 Speaker 6: You're literally doing that right here. How are you not 952 01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:26,400 doing that right here? 953 01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:32,800 Speaker 19: Because I'm trying to bring it back to the entirety 954 01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,039 of scripture, which is something I'm sure you believe in, but. 955 01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:38,280 Speaker 6: You're literally doing it from one passage and saying this 956 01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:41,199 is the key to all of the other passages. Everything 957 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:41,800 must be fit. 958 01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,280 Speaker 19: This is is Jesus you do this is okay, great, 959 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,280 let's let's do this instead. Let's do this instead, and 960 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,519 I'll and I'll come back to this. Is there a 961 01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:55,360 hierarchy of authority that you take when you're examining scripture entirety, 962 01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:56,800 the entirety of scripture? 963 01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,639 Speaker 4: Is there like a hierarchy of who has authority. 964 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,599 Speaker 6: You mean within scripture or in general within scripture? 965 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,280 Speaker 4: Yes, how do you go about who's at the top? 966 01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:10,880 I suppose? And then how does it trickle down for you? 967 01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:13,039 Speaker 6: Well, and it's going to be determined by the tradition 968 01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:14,599 of the church, because that's how we know what the 969 01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:16,280 scriptures are is the tradition. 970 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:16,360 Speaker 2: Of the church. 971 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:22,400 Speaker 19: Okay, So it's a tradition that okay, can I let 972 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,719 me let me know, okay, So thank you for clarifying. 973 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:25,599 Speaker 4: Now let me ask you this. 974 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,880 Speaker 19: So in light of very clear pat passages, where where 975 01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:36,119 where God, her Father or Messiah says something, is there 976 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,320 ever any chance for places where the where the tradition 977 01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:42,199 of Orthodoxy will say, well, do. 978 01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:44,280 Speaker 4: You know what I know? That God said this. 979 01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:46,159 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't even I won't even grant you 980 01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:48,320 that there are the clear passages. You're just assuming that 981 01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:49,719 they are clear. So I don't even know what you 982 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,480 think of that's just your assumption that there's a clear passages, 983 01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:54,920 and then there's the one that's not says who and 984 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:55,400 how do you know? 985 01:06:56,679 --> 01:07:00,239 Speaker 19: Okay, well, I think I think God is not the 986 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,360 author of confusion. I think that when he speaks there 987 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,760 And what I'm getting to is this right? So, so 988 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,880 you're saying equating that the interpretation of your church specifically 989 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,119 is the definitive authoritative interpreter of scripture? 990 01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:21,800 Speaker 6: Correct not? 991 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,679 Speaker 4: God? Am I am I hearing that correctly? 992 01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:26,880 Speaker 6: No, it's not. It's not. You're pitting it quote against God. 993 01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:29,679 God set up the church. Therefore the church is the 994 01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:32,079 pillar and ground of truth. Doesn't Paul tell Timothy that 995 01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:33,519 the church is the pillar and ground of truth. 996 01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:38,440 Speaker 10: It's just so crazy, it's such a crazy secular modern 997 01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:42,719 mindset that we'll just look at the This is where 998 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,440 textual criticism, Like what you're saying gets you to textual criticism. 999 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,400 Speaker 4: We'll just look and analyze from these secular kind of 1000 01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:51,119 views of how. 1001 01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,719 Speaker 10: To interpret text apart from the community in which it 1002 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,280 was written in and looking at any of this stuff. 1003 01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,639 I mean, that's and that's why you get crazy theories 1004 01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:01,360 and interpretations like you do. 1005 01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:03,599 Speaker 4: Can I respond to that? 1006 01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,039 Speaker 6: Who does Paul say is the pillar and grounded truth? 1007 01:08:08,199 --> 01:08:08,639 Speaker 4: The assembly? 1008 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:08,920 Speaker 5: Now? 1009 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,599 Speaker 6: Can I respond to the assembly? What's the word there? 1010 01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:15,559 The clusia? Which is the what? Why doesn't he say 1011 01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:17,239 it's Why doesn't he say it's the written text? 1012 01:08:21,119 --> 01:08:23,640 Speaker 4: Well, that's that's so, this is what I want to 1013 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:24,319 respond back to. 1014 01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:27,760 Speaker 6: Your Why doesn't he say it's the written text? 1015 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,279 Speaker 19: Well, because he's under the assumption that the that the readers, 1016 01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:33,880 who were your host was talking. 1017 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,800 Speaker 6: So he's only the assumption that the readers will just 1018 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:37,920 stay in the Protestant position. 1019 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,880 Speaker 19: No, No, not at all, not at all, because you 1020 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,680 have to keep you have to keep in mind because 1021 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,720 I'm sure you guys know that the audience are first 1022 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,560 entry or abiding, lawful Jews. 1023 01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:52,920 Speaker 6: No, the Church at Ephesus is the church. That's the 1024 01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:57,000 Church at Ephesus is not Jews. What are you talking about? Okay, 1025 01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:00,279 So who's the church at Ephesus? So you have no 1026 01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,520 idea what you're talking about. You're just spitting out Protestant nonsense, 1027 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,319 assuming that this is I don't. 1028 01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:08,439 Speaker 4: I don't think this is Protestant. I think it's just 1029 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,359 I think it'd be a natural conclusion to assume. 1030 01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:12,359 Speaker 6: You didn't even know who? 1031 01:09:13,119 --> 01:09:13,439 Speaker 4: Did you know? 1032 01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,119 Speaker 6: Timothy's in Ephesus. That's not a Jewish church. What are 1033 01:09:16,119 --> 01:09:16,680 you talking about? 1034 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,319 Speaker 4: Was? Was Timothy not a Jew? 1035 01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,840 Speaker 6: The church in Ephesus is not a primarily Jewish church. 1036 01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:25,800 Speaker 4: Was Timothy a Jew? 1037 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,399 Speaker 6: What does that have to do with whether the church 1038 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,800 is primarily a Jewish Torah observant community, which you're assuming. 1039 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,720 I'm showing you that Paul tells the church at Ephesus 1040 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,039 to not worry with the ceremonial laws, which is the 1041 01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:41,159 opposite of what you're saying. 1042 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,840 Speaker 19: Well, so, so here's where I think there's a contradiction 1043 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,800 in in maybe the Orthodox tradition. How can we say, 1044 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,560 how can we say that Paul is forsaking the telling? 1045 01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,680 Speaker 6: Nobody's forsaking the Torah? You just simply don't. That's everything 1046 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,079 I answered, because everything I answered, And all right, you're done, 1047 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,880 get out here wasting our time, all right, stupid just 1048 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:16,359 dutyizing nonsense, Golden, what's up? Yeah, everything that he objected 1049 01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:21,479 to about the first question with dietary laws. We answered, 1050 01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,880 he comes back, doesn't want to deal with that, then 1051 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,000 switches to saying the whole Council of God from an 1052 01:10:28,039 --> 01:10:31,560 isolated text. Then he says, I never said isolated text. 1053 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,760 Everybody in the chat was literally typing. We heard you 1054 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,560 say it, dude, what's up all right? Well we dropped 1055 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:55,760 off solo, what's up? All right? 1056 01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,079 Speaker 17: So I should have talked about sola feed and even 1057 01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:03,279 the righteousness with relation to like nominalism and how it 1058 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,560 like didn't exist in the ancient world, Like there was 1059 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,319 no conception of, I think, having a name without having 1060 01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:15,560 the ontology of it correct. So I kind of connected 1061 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,760 it to another phenomenon that you spoke about the Angel 1062 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,399 of the Lord, Like what is what is called the 1063 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,039 theory where the name Yahweh is like given to it, 1064 01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:32,600 but it's not like the actual ontology of it is 1065 01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,000 like a created messenger or something. So would you apply 1066 01:11:36,119 --> 01:11:39,560 the same center of the nominalism lack of phnomenalism in 1067 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,760 the ancient world to say that such an interpretation is 1068 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:44,399 not possible? 1069 01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,039 Speaker 6: No, I don't think the Angel Lord has anything to 1070 01:11:47,159 --> 01:11:49,239 do with nominalism. 1071 01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:50,880 Speaker 4: No. I mean, like. 1072 01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:55,239 Speaker 17: If someone were to say that being can be called 1073 01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:59,279 Yahweh without having the actual ontology of Yahweh, would it 1074 01:11:59,359 --> 01:12:01,680 be similar to Uh? 1075 01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:04,039 Speaker 6: No, I think in the ancient world they had the 1076 01:12:04,119 --> 01:12:07,800 idea of representatives. I mean you could say that somebody 1077 01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,000 represents the king or something like that. That didn't have 1078 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,319 anything to do with nominalism, though. 1079 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,439 Speaker 17: I just made that the connection in my kiss wants 1080 01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:17,359 to ask what you know? 1081 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:18,119 Speaker 4: No, that's thank you. 1082 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, no problem. I mean, I understand where you're going. 1083 01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,439 I just I just wouldn't necessarily connect those things wild 1084 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,800 will what's up? Of course, if you disagree, you do 1085 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:29,680 go to the head of line. 1086 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:35,760 Speaker 20: So oh am on yep. 1087 01:12:37,279 --> 01:12:42,760 Speaker 4: Oh hey, uh so probably not your typical question, I suppose. 1088 01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:43,840 Speaker 14: Uh. 1089 01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:49,920 Speaker 21: I'm just wondering if you had like me, I'm a 1090 01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,079 I believe in the Biblical cosmology of earths. 1091 01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,359 Speaker 4: I believe that it's a flat earth. 1092 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,439 Speaker 2: I believe that they faked the moon landing. 1093 01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:06,279 Speaker 6: Be goodbye, good for you. Not on the topic extreme 1094 01:13:06,399 --> 01:13:06,760 what's up? 1095 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:15,600 Speaker 2: No? 1096 01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,680 Speaker 6: One five dollars? Can you talk about Mormon modalism in 1097 01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,359 the Book of Mormon, et cetera. Yeah, I mean there's 1098 01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,880 you can just look up modalism in the Book of Mormon, 1099 01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,680 and and there are other documents. It's pretty well known. 1100 01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:28,640 I do have my Book of Mormon over there, and 1101 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,760 I do have actually some of the Modalist passages list 1102 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:57,239 of the extreme. What's up, mister Wright? What's up? By 1103 01:13:57,279 --> 01:13:59,039 the way, if you don't follow me on X, you 1104 01:13:59,119 --> 01:14:04,399 can follow me right here. Here is a link, mister right, 1105 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:21,119 what's up? Unmute barely so uh, basically, can't can't hear you? 1106 01:14:21,239 --> 01:14:21,359 Speaker 19: Man? 1107 01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,800 Speaker 6: Are you calling me from your damn flip phone? Come on, guys, 1108 01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,960 I don't understand what the heck is going on. If 1109 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,640 you would like to call in on almost every topic, 1110 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,920 I'm not doing the schizo stuff today, you can call 1111 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:43,760 in right there. There's the Twitter link. Extreme you want 1112 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:44,399 to try again. 1113 01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:52,520 Speaker 18: Hear me? 1114 01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:00,960 Speaker 6: Mahel, what's up? I forgot that was the we're not 1115 01:15:01,039 --> 01:15:06,199 doing flat Earth time? Good evening, Jay, good evening. 1116 01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:09,840 Speaker 22: You were talking earlier about muscular rocks. 1117 01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,920 Speaker 6: Now we got vampires in the chat. What's up? Vampires? 1118 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:13,039 Speaker 5: No? 1119 01:15:13,239 --> 01:15:16,399 Speaker 6: I have no, I'm not a vampire, little man vampire? 1120 01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:17,520 What's up? 1121 01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:23,000 Speaker 2: I am from Montenegro. I am a member of autocephalous Montenegro. 1122 01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:23,479 Speaker 4: And Orthodox Church. 1123 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:24,439 Speaker 6: Okay, what's your question? 1124 01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:30,640 Speaker 22: Well, are you familiar with the autocephalous Montenegro Orthodox Church? 1125 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,840 Speaker 6: And if not, I would like to enter moving on, 1126 01:15:35,119 --> 01:15:38,880 can we get just some like actual disagreements on stuff 1127 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:46,680 that's relevant? I don't know anything about Montenegro. What's up? Sorry, 1128 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,239 I'm just not taking Vlad the Impaler's call today. If 1129 01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:55,720 you're I'm not in the mood for Vlad. No vampires 1130 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,079 are allowed to call in. What's up? Man, I'm yours? 1131 01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:00,760 Speaker 5: What's up? 1132 01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,960 Speaker 6: How are you doing good? What's on your mind? 1133 01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,279 Speaker 4: I just want to ask maybe quick questions. 1134 01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,520 Speaker 23: Just I'm in my cut kiss and I'm pretty fired, 1135 01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,439 but I'm in the Greek Church. Do you think there's 1136 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,479 no problem in getting baptized? 1137 01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:16,920 Speaker 4: There no. 1138 01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:18,840 Speaker 6: Come home? 1139 01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:23,960 Speaker 23: And the second question was more, can we it's a 1140 01:16:24,039 --> 01:16:24,880 bit political? 1141 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:26,720 Speaker 4: But is it it's okay? 1142 01:16:27,079 --> 01:16:27,600 Speaker 2: Is it okay? 1143 01:16:29,039 --> 01:16:29,239 Speaker 19: Yeah? 1144 01:16:29,279 --> 01:16:32,560 Speaker 23: I just want to ask about economics, what you think 1145 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,920 is the best system from the Orthodox point of view. 1146 01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,479 Speaker 6: I don't know that there is like one ideal system. 1147 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,439 I mean, I would probably agree with a lot of 1148 01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:48,239 the Austrian economics school, but I would have some criticisms 1149 01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:50,960 of that as well. But I mean, ultimately I'm just 1150 01:16:51,079 --> 01:16:53,319 a bitcoin guy, So that's the That's the only really 1151 01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:56,239 the solution I have to anything, But I can't tell 1152 01:16:56,279 --> 01:16:58,039 you what to do. Well, look at people who disagree. 1153 01:16:58,039 --> 01:16:59,800 By the way, you got a headline. If you disagree, 1154 01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:09,359 I'm not interested in talking about stupid flatter stuff. Joseph, 1155 01:17:09,399 --> 01:17:21,840 what's up? P Diddy? Two dollars? Is it a sin 1156 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,199 for me to work as a bouncer at a gay nightclub? 1157 01:17:25,119 --> 01:17:28,880 In your case, I think no, because it's just who 1158 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,239 you are, P Diddy, So you got to be true 1159 01:17:31,279 --> 01:17:34,880 to yourself. Bro, have five dollars? Have you heard of 1160 01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:40,319 the World Mission Society Church of God? Yes, they came 1161 01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,039 to my door. They believe in God, the Father, and 1162 01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:47,239 the Mother. They're scary. Yes, I would avoid that. Stay 1163 01:17:47,279 --> 01:17:52,800 away crazy Protestants Hammer crash More cult basically Hammer crash 1164 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:58,720 More twenty dollars. Meat apples are not a dietary restriction exactly. Mclovin. 1165 01:17:59,319 --> 01:18:03,359 Five dollars does fill up in the Ethiopian Eunich and 1166 01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:09,039 Act Sate disproved solo scriptura, I mean, depending on like 1167 01:18:09,159 --> 01:18:12,199 how you interpret unless someone guide me, because I think 1168 01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:15,479 even Protestants will say, well, yeah, you're not really supposed 1169 01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,479 to be, you know, solo doing everything on your own 1170 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:23,319 without the church. But they're just gonna reinterpret that to 1171 01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,560 me to say, but that doesn't mean that there's this 1172 01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:33,159 authoritative institutional entity. So I mean, yes, but Protestants are 1173 01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:39,039 just gonna like reinterpret it. Isaac, what's up? Yeah? I 1174 01:18:39,079 --> 01:18:42,520 only believe in fat Earth now, p h a t Earth. 1175 01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,079 By the way, you'll get your fill of the the 1176 01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:55,439 Sam Hi Show episode on fat Earth. What's up, Isaac? 1177 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:55,880 What's up? 1178 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:56,039 Speaker 11: Man? 1179 01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:03,239 Speaker 6: Isaac? You want to? I mean, is Twitter not working 1180 01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:08,039 today or something? I don't understand what's going on underwater umbrella? 1181 01:19:08,119 --> 01:19:12,039 What's up? Seems like half of the people that called 1182 01:19:12,079 --> 01:19:15,039 today can't get in. There's no connection. What's up? 1183 01:19:16,359 --> 01:19:16,520 Speaker 24: Oh? 1184 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was. 1185 01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:20,079 Speaker 5: Oh. 1186 01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:25,760 Speaker 4: I have two questions. How do you it's about? Yeah, 1187 01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:28,600 it's how do you? How would you? 1188 01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:33,560 Speaker 25: How do you feel about Trump and the situation that's 1189 01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,439 going on with him and Russia try and Ukraine and 1190 01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:41,239 him sending in submarines nuclear submarines around the area. 1191 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:42,720 Speaker 8: Uh. 1192 01:19:43,159 --> 01:19:47,359 Speaker 6: I mean it's probably just like saber rattling and propaganda. 1193 01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,079 I don't think we're actually going to go to war. 1194 01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:52,760 In fact, I think he just there's supposed to be 1195 01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,199 an emergency meeting and it sounds like there might be 1196 01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,399 a peace deal that was breaking like an hour ago. 1197 01:20:00,279 --> 01:20:02,479 Speaker 4: Oh shoot, you just reminded me of something, dude. 1198 01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:09,039 Speaker 25: Apparently I've heard that, like apparently he's Trump and NATO 1199 01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:12,439 is like having like, uh, I guess a bit of 1200 01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,039 problems because he apparently it's it's it looks like they're 1201 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,960 that he's choosing Israel over NATO, which is really strange. 1202 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,159 And a lot of the times there's always ties with 1203 01:20:23,359 --> 01:20:26,279 Israel and the United States, which I always think is weird. 1204 01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:27,279 Speaker 4: I mean, like, what are they doing? 1205 01:20:28,359 --> 01:20:28,520 Speaker 5: Oh? 1206 01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,279 Speaker 25: Even he even made laws trying to protect Israel and 1207 01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:33,800 apparently he also made a law that. 1208 01:20:35,279 --> 01:20:37,119 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to they. I don't know 1209 01:20:37,159 --> 01:20:38,680 if this is true or not, but it I mean, 1210 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,680 Yike's dude, I mean, if this many people are talking 1211 01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:41,359 about it. It's like. 1212 01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:45,199 Speaker 6: About what I mean, Yeah, we all know. We all 1213 01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:47,920 know Trump, uh, you know is a Zionist worships Israel. 1214 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,159 So that's there's no news in that. But thank you 1215 01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:59,880 for your comment. Mitro, what's up, man, Jay? 1216 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:00,479 Speaker 2: Can you hear me? 1217 01:21:01,039 --> 01:21:02,520 Speaker 6: Hey? What's going on? 1218 01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:02,840 Speaker 4: Man? 1219 01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:05,319 Speaker 6: Yeah? 1220 01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:05,960 Speaker 4: Really quick? 1221 01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:08,800 Speaker 26: First off, that guy called about the Montanagan Orthodox Church 1222 01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,199 that's just a totally nationalist driven church. 1223 01:21:11,119 --> 01:21:14,600 Speaker 4: To separate themselves from the Serbian Orthodox Church. Is that. 1224 01:21:16,199 --> 01:21:19,319 Speaker 6: Is that the like the CIA promoted schism there. That's 1225 01:21:19,359 --> 01:21:21,800 the analog to the Ukraine, totally totally. 1226 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:23,640 Speaker 26: You saw all those protests where they were trying to 1227 01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:27,239 take the church away. Anyway, what I'm well, I guess 1228 01:21:27,279 --> 01:21:30,600 staying in the region, going more on the geopolitical side 1229 01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:30,960 of things. 1230 01:21:32,359 --> 01:21:34,520 Speaker 4: So just looking at you know, the whole situation is 1231 01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:34,920 real with. 1232 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:39,600 Speaker 26: Gaza, Ukraine, with Crimea, don Bes those regions that are 1233 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:43,239 primarily inhabited by you know, Palsines and one Russians and 1234 01:21:43,279 --> 01:21:47,119 the other. Whereas the world has taken sides of of 1235 01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:48,760 the opposite of what occurred. 1236 01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:49,520 Speaker 4: In Serbia with Kosovo. 1237 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,000 Speaker 26: So I just want to get your understanding or maybe 1238 01:21:52,399 --> 01:21:54,359 you disagree, maybe don't disagree. I don't know what your 1239 01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:56,680 stances on it, but just want to get a kind 1240 01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:57,960 of an idea from you as. 1241 01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,359 Speaker 4: To what the reason was there that majority of the world. 1242 01:22:01,279 --> 01:22:05,039 Speaker 26: Supported separation from Coastvo whereas they're you know, being pro 1243 01:22:05,239 --> 01:22:07,319 Israel and pro Ukraine in these In. 1244 01:22:07,399 --> 01:22:12,600 Speaker 6: These instances, ask the question again, what is the support 1245 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:13,039 or whatnot? 1246 01:22:14,199 --> 01:22:18,399 Speaker 26: So like in koso Inkosvos like ninety five percent Albanian 1247 01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,279 and Gaz. It's like, I don't even know what percent 1248 01:22:21,319 --> 01:22:24,239 of palacin it is compared to Jewish. So my whole 1249 01:22:24,279 --> 01:22:27,159 thing is like, what's the difference between the two. It 1250 01:22:27,279 --> 01:22:30,319 seems like that the West always, you know, goes against 1251 01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:35,279 interests with the Allies and you know, things of that nature. Ukraine, 1252 01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:38,319 for example, with Crimea Dombas, I think there's a referendum 1253 01:22:38,359 --> 01:22:41,000 where a majority of the population there was Russian, yet 1254 01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:45,279 they can't split away from Ukraine, whereas you know, Kostovo, 1255 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,479 you know, was just granted independence essentially. So I just 1256 01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,640 want to get your get your thoughts on as to 1257 01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,199 why that's the that's the case. 1258 01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:58,600 Speaker 6: I still don't understand the question why what's the case? 1259 01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:03,119 Speaker 4: Well, well, I'm asking you. It's like, you know, why 1260 01:23:03,239 --> 01:23:04,720 is the world so hard stuck on. 1261 01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,800 Speaker 26: You know, not allowing Gaza to split away from Israel, 1262 01:23:10,279 --> 01:23:12,560 whereas everyone was so quick. 1263 01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:14,079 Speaker 6: To to allow cost quota. 1264 01:23:14,319 --> 01:23:23,880 Speaker 4: To leave Serbia not split from Israel, like the two 1265 01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,960 party solutions, the two state solution for example. 1266 01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,000 Speaker 6: You know what I mean, I think most people want that. 1267 01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:33,399 Speaker 4: What do you mean I mean? I wouldn't say so. 1268 01:23:35,279 --> 01:23:39,840 Speaker 6: The world's opinion looking at the situation would say that 1269 01:23:40,039 --> 01:23:42,560 that's why Israel's approval is that an all time low. 1270 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,439 So that's what I'm well, maybe like you, me and you. 1271 01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,920 Speaker 26: Know, normal folk, but I'm also thinking, like, uh, the 1272 01:23:49,039 --> 01:23:51,920 major players in the West, you know, France, UK, US, 1273 01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:54,159 who are. 1274 01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:57,359 Speaker 4: Strong staunch Israel supporters, who aren't looking. 1275 01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:58,199 Speaker 20: For that to be the case. 1276 01:23:58,199 --> 01:23:59,960 Speaker 6: Well, I mean you have this, like you know, control 1277 01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:03,279 old government class that holds these opinions. But I don't 1278 01:24:03,279 --> 01:24:05,680 even think those reflect the majority of of any of 1279 01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:06,800 these countries really. 1280 01:24:09,119 --> 01:24:11,520 Speaker 26: No, Like I said, I think you, you, you, me, 1281 01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,159 and all the normal folk would agree. I'm just thinking 1282 01:24:14,279 --> 01:24:18,920 from like a geopolitical point as to you're looking at 1283 01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,039 like cultural significance of Coasto to Serbia, looking at cultural 1284 01:24:22,119 --> 01:24:26,319 significant significance of Gaza to to Palestinians. It's like, you know, 1285 01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:29,119 what's the difference and why is it? You know, too 1286 01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:34,000 polar opposite decisions being made on on the case. 1287 01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:37,000 Speaker 6: So I was just just just a thought. 1288 01:24:37,239 --> 01:24:38,800 Speaker 4: I didn't know if you had a. 1289 01:24:39,079 --> 01:24:41,359 Speaker 6: Different I don't know, man, honestly, I don't know. I mean, 1290 01:24:41,399 --> 01:24:43,920 I've read a couple of books on you know, the 1291 01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:49,079 CIA's operations and approach to you know, Melosovich and Serbia 1292 01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:52,920 and Coastvo and all that, comparing it to Gaza, and 1293 01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:56,159 I just I don't know how to answer, no, no. 1294 01:24:56,199 --> 01:24:58,720 Speaker 4: Worries it do your time for one more, one more questions. 1295 01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:02,439 Speaker 26: So I think it was about a couple of months 1296 01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:08,119 ago in Croatia they held a huge nationalist concert from Thompson. 1297 01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:10,600 I'm not sure if you saw that, you know, across 1298 01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,399 the center it was like half a million people attended 1299 01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:13,960 one of the biggest concerts. 1300 01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,159 Speaker 4: In recent history. 1301 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,960 Speaker 26: Whereas he's deemed as a war criminal. It's also yesterday 1302 01:25:20,079 --> 01:25:24,359 marked the anniversary of Operations Storm in. 1303 01:25:24,359 --> 01:25:28,000 Speaker 4: Croatia where they drove out a bunch of Serbs out 1304 01:25:28,039 --> 01:25:30,600 of Croatia to Bosnia to Serbia. 1305 01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,960 Speaker 26: Also from that point of view, is you know, how 1306 01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:38,920 is one quote unquote genocide being celebrated and it's being allowed, 1307 01:25:39,279 --> 01:25:43,039 whereas you know, you look at for example, again like 1308 01:25:43,159 --> 01:25:49,079 Gaza and the genocide of Palestines there it's being looked 1309 01:25:49,119 --> 01:25:49,520 down upon. 1310 01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:50,520 Speaker 6: So a different point of view. 1311 01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,000 Speaker 4: But you know, if you don't have like an opinion 1312 01:25:53,079 --> 01:25:53,520 on any. 1313 01:25:53,359 --> 01:25:54,760 Speaker 26: Of those things, that I totally get. 1314 01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,239 Speaker 6: It was just looking to. I mean, people in the 1315 01:25:57,319 --> 01:25:59,640 West are just They just go about what the media 1316 01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,520 tells them. So if the media doesn't talk about something 1317 01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,279 happening in Serbia, they don't know about it. But the 1318 01:26:06,319 --> 01:26:10,239 whole media will talk about Israel, so that's what they know. 1319 01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,000 I don't think it's dictated by anything other than just 1320 01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:17,439 what the media just deems worthy of talking about. El CALIFORNIAO, 1321 01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,960 what's up? Journey of Abundance ten dollars? Did you see 1322 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,880 Adam Livingson's video on bitcoin about God's Money? For those 1323 01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,680 that don't know, he took a lot of inspiration from 1324 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,319 Jay when he made the video will You Do a 1325 01:26:29,399 --> 01:26:32,279 collap He reached out to me and I did see 1326 01:26:32,279 --> 01:26:34,039 that he made this video, and he seems like a 1327 01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:37,199 cool guy. We chatted a little bit on Twitter DMS. 1328 01:26:38,319 --> 01:26:40,439 I have not watched this video yet. I watched one 1329 01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,399 of his other videos, but I did see that he 1330 01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:47,640 made this. I did not know that he liked some 1331 01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:52,399 of my content, but yeah, I appreciate that. Adam Livingstone 1332 01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,239 seems like a cool dude. What's up man, El Californio? 1333 01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:57,399 Speaker 4: Hey, what's up? 1334 01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:57,640 Speaker 2: Jerry? 1335 01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:58,119 Speaker 24: What's going on? 1336 01:26:58,359 --> 01:26:59,279 Speaker 6: Hey? What's on your mind? 1337 01:27:00,319 --> 01:27:02,600 Speaker 22: And I wanted to ask you, what is the Orthodox, 1338 01:27:03,039 --> 01:27:08,720 Roman Catholic and Rabbinical teaching on eating all food? 1339 01:27:09,399 --> 01:27:10,920 Speaker 2: And I say this because I live in Europe. 1340 01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:16,640 Speaker 22: I'm from California eating what the hello, yeah food? What's 1341 01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:20,640 the Orthodox and Roman Catholic and Jewish teaching on because 1342 01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,039 I know they they have a prayer where they sacrifice 1343 01:27:24,079 --> 01:27:28,960 it to Allah, and I know and that might be 1344 01:27:29,119 --> 01:27:32,039 considered idol worship. 1345 01:27:33,399 --> 01:27:35,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I don't think Catholics. 1346 01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,359 I mean, I don't. I can't speak for Roman Catholics. 1347 01:27:38,399 --> 01:27:38,680 Speaker 4: I don't. 1348 01:27:39,399 --> 01:27:41,039 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think they really care. I don't 1349 01:27:41,039 --> 01:27:46,880 think Orthodox Christians and probably Catholics don't care. I mean 1350 01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:52,119 what Paul says in Corinthians, what is an idol? It's nothing. 1351 01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,479 The food is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer. 1352 01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,159 So we're not superstitious, like if you know, if I 1353 01:28:00,359 --> 01:28:03,039 ate at a month I've eaten at a Jewish deli before, 1354 01:28:03,119 --> 01:28:07,680 I'm not like secretly cursed with Midichlorians or something like. 1355 01:28:08,399 --> 01:28:13,920 It's just just pray over the food. STU, what's up? Yeah, 1356 01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,640 I mean food does as Paul says, like, food doesn't 1357 01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:21,720 commend us to God, right, So God's not impressed if 1358 01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,560 you don't drink alcohol versus drinking alcohol, or if you 1359 01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,920 drink alcohol versus not drinking alcoho, or if you you 1360 01:28:27,119 --> 01:28:30,960 don't eat the the shrimp dedicated to isis. It's like 1361 01:28:31,319 --> 01:28:32,800 all you got to do is pray over your food. 1362 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:36,880 It doesn't matter. Stu, what's up? I mute? Listen. If 1363 01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:42,680 you want shrimp that is orthodox, then you want to 1364 01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,720 eat the shrimp with project Pat right here while you 1365 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,159 sipp and also says there. 1366 01:28:51,279 --> 01:28:52,119 Speaker 2: Hey, j can you hear me? 1367 01:28:52,199 --> 01:28:54,479 Speaker 4: Uh huh, hey, good afternoon. How are you doing? 1368 01:28:55,239 --> 01:28:56,279 Speaker 6: I'm good? What's on your mom? 1369 01:28:57,239 --> 01:28:57,359 Speaker 2: Uh? 1370 01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:00,000 Speaker 4: I got just a quick question. 1371 01:29:00,279 --> 01:29:03,560 Speaker 27: So I'm I'm I am orthodox. I actually just got 1372 01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,680 crismated back in March of this year, and you were. 1373 01:29:07,079 --> 01:29:10,000 You were a big help and helping me come to 1374 01:29:10,119 --> 01:29:12,079 Orthodoxy and studying it. So I just wanted to say 1375 01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:15,279 thank you very much for your work. I really appreciate you. 1376 01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:17,279 Speaker 4: Real quick. 1377 01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,159 Speaker 27: I have a Catholic buddy that I went to high 1378 01:29:20,199 --> 01:29:23,079 school with and we're still really good friends. And you know, 1379 01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:26,560 we have discussions back and forth, not really debates, more 1380 01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,920 like friendly conversations. But I remember we were talking one time, 1381 01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:34,239 and he was asking me questions about the the Constantinople 1382 01:29:34,319 --> 01:29:36,960 Moscow schism, and I was trying to do my best 1383 01:29:37,039 --> 01:29:41,800 to explain, you know, uh, you know, canonical. 1384 01:29:41,319 --> 01:29:45,079 Speaker 4: Stages of schism, how it's not really as big of 1385 01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:46,399 a deal as he might think. 1386 01:29:47,079 --> 01:29:50,039 Speaker 2: And he made a point to me, He's like, yeah, well, you. 1387 01:29:50,079 --> 01:29:52,760 Speaker 27: Know, I just think if you guys had a magisterium, 1388 01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,399 you know, that wouldn't really be an issue. 1389 01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,640 Speaker 4: And I just don't really know how to respond to that. 1390 01:29:58,039 --> 01:30:00,439 Speaker 6: I mean, they have a magisterium, and then they still 1391 01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:04,239 have issues, they still have schisms. So like, by the way, 1392 01:30:04,359 --> 01:30:07,079 this argument refutes their own position, because if the Church 1393 01:30:07,119 --> 01:30:10,319 of the first thousand years was Roman Catholic with a 1394 01:30:10,399 --> 01:30:14,960 magisterium and the East schismed, then that's an argument against 1395 01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,880 their own church. It's just such a stupid, lowbrow argument. 1396 01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,840 When they say this stuff, they didn't realize it falls 1397 01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:23,399 back on their own head like twenty times harder because 1398 01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,439 they're arguing against their own position. From the first thousand years, 1399 01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:30,000 there have been multiple there were multiple schisms of patriarch. 1400 01:30:30,039 --> 01:30:32,159 It's in the first thousand years. There's schisms in the 1401 01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:38,319 Roman Callogy church right now and is the magistarium fixing 1402 01:30:38,359 --> 01:30:42,359 it or healing it. It's like they just ignore reality 1403 01:30:42,399 --> 01:30:45,720 and history and just say, magisterium, we got this, you 1404 01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,680 don't got it, therefore we win. And they don't even 1405 01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:52,119 realize that. Like it's not actually even doing what you 1406 01:30:52,199 --> 01:30:55,399 says it you say it does. Like it's like right 1407 01:30:55,560 --> 01:31:02,640 wing dice squad. What's up, dude, welcome everybody to the limit. 1408 01:31:03,359 --> 01:31:05,680 We got Cody for ten dollars. I missed his super 1409 01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,000 Chatty says, I like your film analysis videos that David 1410 01:31:08,039 --> 01:31:12,000 Lynch ones are really good, fascinating. Do the same themes 1411 01:31:12,039 --> 01:31:17,039 in his main movies. Go into his rendition of Doune. 1412 01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:21,119 Is there a video where you break down David Lynch's Dune? Yes, 1413 01:31:21,239 --> 01:31:24,039 it's on my channel, Jay Dyer, David Lynch Dune. Just 1414 01:31:24,119 --> 01:31:29,159 guys search this stuff. Yeah. David Lynch usually carries everything 1415 01:31:29,239 --> 01:31:32,119 from the Lynch universe into every one of his productions. 1416 01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:36,520 He is correct, acoustic, and restarted. Ten dollars. Thank you 1417 01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:38,520 for your apologetics to change my life and love your 1418 01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,359 film books. I read them several times. Thank you. And 1419 01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,159 of course that's start Callly with three will be out 1420 01:31:43,279 --> 01:31:46,079 very soon. I have one last thing to fix and 1421 01:31:46,199 --> 01:31:50,439 then it should be ready for the printer. Scooma bear 1422 01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,279 ten dollars God, bless you well, Thank you so much 1423 01:31:52,319 --> 01:31:54,920 to Scoomer Beer. What's up? Right wing dice squad? 1424 01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:56,359 Speaker 20: Thank you? 1425 01:31:56,399 --> 01:32:00,760 Speaker 6: What's man? How's my life good? All right? 1426 01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:01,079 Speaker 4: Sweet? 1427 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:06,119 Speaker 9: My layman interpretation or understanding of God is that if 1428 01:32:06,119 --> 01:32:10,079 people are taught about Jesus Christ and they reject him, it's. 1429 01:32:11,079 --> 01:32:13,640 Speaker 4: Basically like sinity, you're likely to go to Hell. 1430 01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:15,800 Speaker 28: Of course, nobody knows for sure who goes sells that 1431 01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:18,039 sufficient before I ask my questions. 1432 01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:24,920 Speaker 6: I don't understand what you're saying that your understanding is 1433 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,359 that you're only accountable if you heard about Jesus and 1434 01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,680 then you if you did, then you go to Hell. 1435 01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:34,159 I mean it sounds like some sort of a Protestant 1436 01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:35,800 type of thing. I don't know what you're talking about. 1437 01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:36,640 Speaker 9: Well, I don't know. 1438 01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:37,399 Speaker 4: I grew with Catholic. 1439 01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:38,680 Speaker 6: But like like if. 1440 01:32:40,039 --> 01:32:42,920 Speaker 4: I imagine, you know, like an untouched island that. 1441 01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:44,119 Speaker 6: Never heard of Jesus Christ. 1442 01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:46,359 Speaker 4: Of course, if they never accepted Jesus Christ, they could 1443 01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:48,640 never be held accountable. Do you do the same thing? 1444 01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:54,119 Speaker 6: Yes, I mean there have been different answers from Roman 1445 01:32:54,199 --> 01:32:57,920 Catholic theologians over the years, different positions different, I mean 1446 01:32:58,119 --> 01:33:02,439 the Augustinian period, You're all damned no matter what the 1447 01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,239 modern Vatican would say, everybody can be saved. Yes, so 1448 01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:07,079 what about it? 1449 01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:07,720 Speaker 4: All right? So? 1450 01:33:08,199 --> 01:33:09,119 Speaker 2: So about that? 1451 01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:13,319 Speaker 28: This one has always gotten to me, like what if 1452 01:33:13,359 --> 01:33:15,640 people are like too stupid to understand it, like just 1453 01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,680 generally speaking, nobody in specific, but what if people's IQ 1454 01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,720 is so low that if they taught it and they 1455 01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,159 just sort of reject it out right? 1456 01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:27,359 Speaker 4: It's like, I guess, uh, I don't know theological. 1457 01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,359 Speaker 6: Invalid I mean, I think salvation is not dependent upon 1458 01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,600 your IQ. Otherwise you wouldn't baptize infants, and the Orthodox 1459 01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,239 Church anth Calloy Church baptized infants. We also believe that 1460 01:33:36,119 --> 01:33:40,800 slowboas can be saved, so it's not an issue of IQ. Topsy. 1461 01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:41,239 What's up? 1462 01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:47,720 Speaker 4: Hello? 1463 01:33:48,079 --> 01:33:48,239 Speaker 6: Hey? 1464 01:33:50,079 --> 01:33:52,560 Speaker 4: So I just had a quick question. 1465 01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:57,920 Speaker 21: About Zionism and Jews or whatever and just why they 1466 01:33:58,079 --> 01:34:03,760 push uh a lot of anti christ beliefs and transgender 1467 01:34:04,039 --> 01:34:06,279 and their magical rocket water ball. 1468 01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:10,079 Speaker 2: The earth is flat, it's not some. 1469 01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:18,319 Speaker 4: It's not some picture the pictures they admitted. What is 1470 01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:21,800 up with the flat ears? You know that's a stupid 1471 01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:26,800 from an even lego. 1472 01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:28,399 Speaker 6: What's up? Man? 1473 01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:30,119 Speaker 20: Couldn't hear me? 1474 01:34:30,199 --> 01:34:30,239 Speaker 5: No? 1475 01:34:31,359 --> 01:34:31,880 Speaker 6: Hear you now? 1476 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:32,119 Speaker 4: Man? 1477 01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:32,960 Speaker 6: What's on your mind? 1478 01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:37,800 Speaker 20: Okay, I've got two things to say. I've got one 1479 01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,199 little debate, a. 1480 01:34:39,239 --> 01:34:42,479 Speaker 6: Little questions debate that. What's a debate? 1481 01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:50,079 Speaker 20: Alright, Edward, good quick, good, good topic. I'm just going 1482 01:34:50,119 --> 01:34:51,520 to position about it. 1483 01:34:52,279 --> 01:34:54,399 Speaker 6: And I just want that's what you called them to 1484 01:34:54,479 --> 01:35:02,520 debate the N word. Everybody's phone is and I didn't 1485 01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:04,760 meet this guy. He just went out like I can't. 1486 01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,279 Speaker 4: Debate the word news in the news. 1487 01:35:11,079 --> 01:35:11,800 Speaker 6: What's up, Caleb? 1488 01:35:17,319 --> 01:35:17,600 Speaker 4: Hello? 1489 01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:18,319 Speaker 9: You hear me? 1490 01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:20,239 Speaker 4: All right? 1491 01:35:20,319 --> 01:35:20,680 Speaker 1: How are you? 1492 01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:20,920 Speaker 2: Sir? 1493 01:35:23,239 --> 01:35:23,399 Speaker 29: Well? 1494 01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,640 Speaker 30: I have a question between the relationship between the Orthodox 1495 01:35:27,319 --> 01:35:29,920 Church and Protestant Church. 1496 01:35:31,039 --> 01:35:33,000 Speaker 2: So a little bit of background. 1497 01:35:33,039 --> 01:35:37,439 Speaker 30: I guess I am the chairman of a board for 1498 01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:44,119 a Christian summer camp, and that I accepted the position 1499 01:35:44,199 --> 01:35:46,720 as the chair before I started watching you know you 1500 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:52,159 and Jim Bob and Andrew Wilson debate Orthodox Christianity versus 1501 01:35:52,319 --> 01:35:59,159 Protestant Protestantism. But now I've made a commitment to this organization, 1502 01:36:00,039 --> 01:36:06,399 and if I, you know, move towards Orthodoxy, what would 1503 01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,199 it look like towards my commitment? 1504 01:36:08,279 --> 01:36:10,720 Speaker 4: Do I just drop it all and leave it all behind. 1505 01:36:11,239 --> 01:36:15,760 Speaker 6: Or Yeah, Unfortunately, our commitments to the church come first, 1506 01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,640 and you can't promote heretical groups if you're going to 1507 01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:20,239 be Orthodox. 1508 01:36:20,319 --> 01:36:24,800 Speaker 30: So yeah, So I talked to my pastor a little 1509 01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:29,520 bit about this, and according to him or documents do 1510 01:36:32,279 --> 01:36:36,279 recognize the CMA Church as being Christians. 1511 01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:39,239 Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know what that is. But 1512 01:36:40,279 --> 01:36:42,640 the fact that your pastor says that really has nothing 1513 01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:46,079 to do with this. The Orthodox Church doesn't accept that 1514 01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:49,960 any of these groups can be promoted or given money 1515 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,159 to or any of that kind of stuff if they 1516 01:36:52,319 --> 01:36:57,039 teach the heresies of the Reformation. So, I mean, it depends. 1517 01:36:57,359 --> 01:37:00,880 It also might depend upon like what capacity you're involved 1518 01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,359 in this, So you're saying a chair, like, I mean, 1519 01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:08,039 it really just depends on you know. I mean, if 1520 01:37:08,079 --> 01:37:10,439 this was, like I don't know, some kind of a 1521 01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,199 therapy camp or something like that where people are with 1522 01:37:13,279 --> 01:37:15,520 addictions are going, there might be a place for that. 1523 01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,760 But like if it's a place where they're teaching and 1524 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:25,640 inculcating Protestant Evangelical theology, no you can't. You just you 1525 01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:27,720 just have to make a choice. And I'm sorry to 1526 01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:33,000 be you know, hardliner like that. But you can't. You 1527 01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:39,600 just can't. It's like when, ah, who's that evangelical dude 1528 01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:46,119 that became Greek Orthodox the hank handigraph and uh, you know, 1529 01:37:46,319 --> 01:37:50,760 Perry called him out for promoting for several years after 1530 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,159 becoming Orthodox. You can just continue to promote all of 1531 01:37:53,239 --> 01:37:58,680 his evangelical Protestant stuff because it makes money. Like, you 1532 01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,560 can't do that, Like it's, yeah. 1533 01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:05,119 Speaker 10: I'm committed to these groups and so they're my donors 1534 01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:08,279 and stuff like that. So he theologically was, you know, 1535 01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:12,479 compromised himself in order to to be part of these 1536 01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:13,520 groups and get money. 1537 01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,720 Speaker 6: And then this the solution of the justification is always 1538 01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,720 a form of a humanism. Oh well, but we're all 1539 01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:20,840 but we all worship Jesus and we're all part of 1540 01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:31,920 the same church. And what's up, j R. I'm ready 1541 01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:37,159 to debate the N word, nostalgia. 1542 01:38:37,239 --> 01:38:43,920 Speaker 4: Nostalgia historians, the new world order, a new world order. 1543 01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,199 The guy who's calling in about the two state solution. 1544 01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:53,079 Speaker 31: If you go if you go back and read your 1545 01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:57,279 Brazienski and your Kissinger, the two state solution. 1546 01:38:57,079 --> 01:39:02,239 Speaker 4: Has always been the plant. Even even if even if me. 1547 01:39:02,359 --> 01:39:04,640 Speaker 31: And you or anybody on the ground might think it's 1548 01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:07,760 a good idea, that's always been the plan. 1549 01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:09,399 Speaker 4: But Brazinski back in the day, what. 1550 01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:13,079 Speaker 32: He used to say was, you know, the Tusti solution 1551 01:39:14,199 --> 01:39:18,279 is always the plan, except the American must dictate it. 1552 01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:24,159 Speaker 6: Well, actually, the original Rothschild plan, if you go back 1553 01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:27,960 to reading these old Rothschild books, which I've bought more recently, 1554 01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,199 their original statement when they were buying land in what 1555 01:39:33,319 --> 01:39:36,119 they call the Palestine Project, the original plan of the 1556 01:39:36,119 --> 01:39:38,560 British Empire was a two state situation. 1557 01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:45,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, it might, it might seem like the most logical solution, 1558 01:39:45,319 --> 01:39:47,319 but most people don't. 1559 01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,359 Speaker 31: Like they're looking at something like the guy called in, 1560 01:39:51,039 --> 01:39:53,560 he's looking at it from a good or bad perspective 1561 01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:58,119 or a good guy bad guy. And that's how that's 1562 01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:01,359 the unfortunate thing when people are looking at geopolitics, is 1563 01:40:01,399 --> 01:40:03,479 that the geopoliticians, you. 1564 01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,600 Speaker 11: Know, I never I do not look at things as 1565 01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:11,039 good or the look at things benefits, you know. 1566 01:40:12,039 --> 01:40:14,560 Speaker 31: That's that's how they look at it. They don't care 1567 01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:19,520 if it's two state solution or if that you know what, 1568 01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:23,680 whatever the benefit, whatever's going to benefit the new. 1569 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:28,439 Speaker 4: World order, that's what they're going to go with exactly. Yeah. 1570 01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,399 Speaker 31: So so it's like trying to figure out like, oh, 1571 01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:36,640 if if, if this politician is for the two state solution, 1572 01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,199 but this guy isn't, which guy is the good guy? 1573 01:40:39,279 --> 01:40:40,960 Speaker 4: That doesn't even make any sense. 1574 01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:41,199 Speaker 2: To do that. 1575 01:40:43,319 --> 01:40:46,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know it's like who would you rather 1576 01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:50,760 be under an Islamic caliphate or a Jewish banking elite. 1577 01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:51,520 Speaker 4: Like. 1578 01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:56,880 Speaker 6: Those are pretty pretty close friends. 1579 01:40:57,239 --> 01:41:01,520 Speaker 31: So, I mean, I've been under a Jewish Jewish thinking 1580 01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:03,760 to leave my entire life and I'm still alive. 1581 01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:07,600 Speaker 6: So that's true. Like you, you might just have to 1582 01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,520 pay some usury and some interest, but you might lose 1583 01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:11,720 your head under the caliphate. 1584 01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:16,319 Speaker 4: So yes, one one one equal one one one. 1585 01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:26,479 Speaker 6: Thank you John my allergies for getting to me today. Reuben, 1586 01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:33,560 what a Ruben miro hero ten dollars? Hello, Jay, I've 1587 01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:36,239 been a Christian for six months. What does it mean 1588 01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:40,039 to be a Christian? I'm part of I'm part of 1589 01:41:40,079 --> 01:41:43,520 a Presbyterian church at the moment. Why is absolutely succession important? Well, 1590 01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:48,000 Orthodox Christianity is authentic Christianity. So you need to unfortunately 1591 01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:50,479 leave the Presbyterian Church even though you just joined it, 1592 01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:54,399 uh and become become Orthodox Jesus says, he who hears 1593 01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:57,720 you hears me when he's talking to the apostles. So Paul, 1594 01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:00,359 when he ordains Timothy, says, I gave you arge in 1595 01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:03,920 ephicis Timothy. Nobody else has authority in emphasis but you. 1596 01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:08,760 So that's episode succession in terms of authority. So why 1597 01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:12,640 does apodi succession matter? Well, authority matters. Uh, there is 1598 01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,640 no authority in the Protestant world. Not because they don't 1599 01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,159 have the Bible or things they have authority. They don't 1600 01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:23,119 have a less historical connected lineage to historical authority. And 1601 01:42:23,239 --> 01:42:26,560 that's why Protestantism fails, not just because of a lack 1602 01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:31,199 of authority, but lacking the sacraments, the uncreated grace of 1603 01:42:31,239 --> 01:42:38,359 the sacraments. Ruben, what's up, amute? Hey? 1604 01:42:39,279 --> 01:42:39,800 Speaker 4: Are you jay? 1605 01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:45,439 Speaker 18: I'm just gonna ask what you would recommend to either 1606 01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:49,600 research or read to have a better grasp of the 1607 01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:50,840 history of Christianity. 1608 01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:55,239 Speaker 6: I mean the Pelicon series, for the first three volumes 1609 01:42:55,279 --> 01:42:59,439 are good for the history of ideas. If you're looking 1610 01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:02,760 for church fathers, I would start with the Cappa Docians. 1611 01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:08,800 I would start with Afthenacious on the Incarnation, but probably 1612 01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:14,119 the first three volumes of your slav Pelicon. Okay, oh yeah, 1613 01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:20,399 I appreciate that, thank you. Sure, yeah, good question. Volumes 1614 01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:24,319 four and five of the Pelicon series are not that relevant, 1615 01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:36,600 Like it's just kind of kind of dumb, nitty tipsy. 1616 01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:42,279 By the way, we're giving precedents to people who disagree today. 1617 01:43:42,319 --> 01:43:44,359 So if you are in the chat, if you're in 1618 01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:46,720 the in the line and you disagree, raise your hand, 1619 01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:49,079 you go to the front of the line. I'll bring 1620 01:43:49,159 --> 01:43:51,600 you right up. Give me some kind of an emoji 1621 01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:54,920 or something to let me know that you disagree. Please 1622 01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:59,159 don't ask about p s A today. What's up, man, 1623 01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:12,359 I'm you nitty nitty? Do you want to unmute or not? Hello? 1624 01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:15,079 Speaker 4: Oh my bad? 1625 01:44:15,359 --> 01:44:15,800 Speaker 19: Uh yeah. 1626 01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:19,079 Speaker 4: So I got a lot of like you know, people 1627 01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:20,079 in my family, they're. 1628 01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:24,119 Speaker 32: Like old Romanian Pentecostal Christians, and like, you know, I'm 1629 01:44:24,119 --> 01:44:25,960 trying to talk to him about like bitcoin some of 1630 01:44:26,039 --> 01:44:27,960 them do, but some of them call it. And I've 1631 01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:29,760 been seeing this where people will see it's like the 1632 01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:32,600 mark of the beast, and like I'm I don't know 1633 01:44:33,159 --> 01:44:35,680 if I can even dispel that from them because they're. 1634 01:44:36,039 --> 01:44:41,000 Speaker 6: You know, uh well, I mean, there's basically nothing within 1635 01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,960 the text that talk about the mark of the Beast 1636 01:44:45,039 --> 01:44:47,439 that is in any way similar to what bitcoin is. 1637 01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:49,960 The mark of the Beast is in some way a 1638 01:44:50,239 --> 01:44:54,239 centralized tracking and tracing of everything that you do, and 1639 01:44:54,359 --> 01:44:56,920 it's being shut off by the Antichrist when you don't 1640 01:44:56,920 --> 01:45:01,640 worship him. Bitcoin is decentralized. It is partly anonymous, meaning 1641 01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,119 that it cannot be traced to the individuals that have 1642 01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:06,600 the wallet. The transactions are public, but who has what 1643 01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:11,680 wallet is unknown. So it's actually the stupidness idea if 1644 01:45:12,119 --> 01:45:14,159 the Antichrist came up with it, because it would never 1645 01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:17,319 be something that you could track and trace everybody's transactions from. 1646 01:45:18,279 --> 01:45:20,399 So that alone right there shows you that it's nothing 1647 01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:24,039 to do with what's in the biblical descriptions. And furthermore, 1648 01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:29,039 everything that supposedly is a beast ish element of what 1649 01:45:29,359 --> 01:45:33,760 would be you know, a critique is actually one hundred 1650 01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:36,199 times worse about the dollar, So if you're using the 1651 01:45:36,279 --> 01:45:39,720 US dollar, it's actually about one hundred times closer and 1652 01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:42,399 a hundred times more Antichrist than what bigqoin has. 1653 01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,920 Speaker 32: That was my argument exactly, And like I'm like banging 1654 01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,119 my head against the against Alan. 1655 01:45:49,239 --> 01:45:51,239 Speaker 2: I'm like, at this point, I'm ready to throwing. 1656 01:45:51,079 --> 01:45:54,359 Speaker 4: The towels to be like, man, just stay their minds. 1657 01:45:55,119 --> 01:45:59,640 Speaker 10: Yeah, tell them, actually kind of costalism is the Beast system, 1658 01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:05,600 like we all, oh, yeah, it's the Pentecostals that like 1659 01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:08,960 track everybody and and are the. 1660 01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:12,640 Speaker 4: Beast Okay, all right, cool, No, don't don't say that 1661 01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:14,520 to them, but I mean. 1662 01:46:16,319 --> 01:46:18,800 Speaker 32: All right, yeah, but like yeah, I was like trying 1663 01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:21,399 to explain to them about like the CBDCs and like 1664 01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:23,800 you know, like that we just put a ban on 1665 01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,760 it like this whole whatever just recently. And I was 1666 01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:29,479 like that actually was more of like the market the 1667 01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,720 beast that was actually tracking, just like they're doing with 1668 01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:32,840 the digital Euros. 1669 01:46:33,279 --> 01:46:35,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, and all of those people don't like Bitcoin, they 1670 01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,000 want something else. 1671 01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:40,439 Speaker 11: Yeah, And like I know, I've heard a lot of 1672 01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:42,920 people calling like about like XRP and meme coins and 1673 01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,279 ship It's like, yeah, like you want to get rich 1674 01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:49,840 quick maybe, but like like my my advice or like 1675 01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:51,720 what I've been personally doing, I'm. 1676 01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:54,319 Speaker 6: Not advising, well, I chance you're going to lose your 1677 01:46:54,359 --> 01:46:58,079 money betting on mean coins. So yeah, I don't even 1678 01:46:58,119 --> 01:47:00,319 think you're gonna get rich quick with meme coin. I 1679 01:47:00,399 --> 01:47:01,479 mean it's a huge bet. 1680 01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:04,560 Speaker 11: Yeah. To me, it's like if I ever got lucky 1681 01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:06,119 on it, I would just sell it and just put 1682 01:47:06,119 --> 01:47:06,760 it in bitcoin. 1683 01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:08,520 Speaker 4: It's like that's a guarantee. 1684 01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:10,760 Speaker 6: That's what everybody does. I mean, that's the the whole 1685 01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:13,880 point of mean coins is to get rich with the 1686 01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,800 mean coin put it in bitcoin. Yeah for sure. All right, man, 1687 01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:21,840 no great questions. You threw me for a loop there 1688 01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,560 because when I heard Romanian pentecostals, I wasn't expecting you 1689 01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:26,600 to then go to bitcoin, So that that was funny. 1690 01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:29,199 Bo Lensky, what's up man? We're looking for people who disagree. 1691 01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:33,960 You go ahead the line if you disagree that is 1692 01:47:34,079 --> 01:47:40,680 true that technically speaking, there is Like it's true that 1693 01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:46,279 k y C bitcoin could conceivably be somewhat traced. That's true. 1694 01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:47,399 What's upthing man? 1695 01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:53,239 Speaker 33: Hey, brothers, So I have a question about the west 1696 01:47:53,319 --> 01:47:56,159 Of take on the validity of scripture. 1697 01:47:57,359 --> 01:47:58,319 Speaker 4: On the west Of. 1698 01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:04,439 Speaker 6: Take on West West Half Yeah, west Hoff Okay, what 1699 01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:04,880 about him? 1700 01:48:05,399 --> 01:48:05,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1701 01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:12,560 Speaker 33: So I wonder if you have any insight on because 1702 01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:14,600 I feel like it's like. 1703 01:48:17,279 --> 01:48:18,520 Speaker 4: I saw your take on. 1704 01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:20,319 Speaker 9: On on the video. 1705 01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:27,000 Speaker 6: What the one yesterday the day before the recent one? Okay, yeah, and. 1706 01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:30,520 Speaker 4: I'm sure you were trying to be charitable. 1707 01:48:33,239 --> 01:48:35,800 Speaker 33: But this is the thing I feel like he is 1708 01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:41,319 doing like a reframing of things, where like it's like 1709 01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:42,520 through semantics. 1710 01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:48,119 Speaker 4: Hm, right, that is the only team to like dodge the. 1711 01:48:49,079 --> 01:48:53,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, the objection is about authority. The question he's he's saying, look, 1712 01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:56,600 there were people who recognize the scriptures prior to the cannon. 1713 01:48:56,680 --> 01:48:59,760 It's like, well, nobody's nobody challenged that. But that's so 1714 01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:02,439 that that's a deflection exactly right. 1715 01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:04,520 Speaker 2: And he's also. 1716 01:49:07,239 --> 01:49:11,239 Speaker 4: Immediately a slow boy. So bear with me. I apologize. 1717 01:49:11,319 --> 01:49:13,760 Speaker 6: Sorry, I can talk, so I can tell I'm just joking. 1718 01:49:15,359 --> 01:49:20,359 Speaker 33: Awesome, No, but it's also like something about it doesn't 1719 01:49:20,359 --> 01:49:23,359 make sense to me because like the scriptures, especially the 1720 01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:26,520 New Testament, talks about the birth of the church. 1721 01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:30,000 Speaker 6: So it's like, I don't know, it's like, well, he's 1722 01:49:30,039 --> 01:49:31,880 just ignoring all that, you know. I mean, look, he's 1723 01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:34,600 a he's a you know, Protestant, is a pastor. I 1724 01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:36,119 don't know what he is. I mean he's a Protestant, 1725 01:49:36,199 --> 01:49:38,960 so he's committed to that. So there's a sunken cost, 1726 01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,359 you know, thing going into this. So but thank you 1727 01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:48,720 for that Brenner, what's up? Yeah, I mean people keep 1728 01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:51,960 asking me what about what? Like we've done two response 1729 01:49:52,279 --> 01:49:56,800 clips videos maybe three about west Huff. I mean, how 1730 01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,680 many times do we have to keep hammering this home? 1731 01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:03,600 It's what he's saying is not addressing anybody's argument. In fact, 1732 01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:06,720 I was looking at in his most recent YouTube Twitter 1733 01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:10,680 comment clip all of the comments underneath it. It's just 1734 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,960 like all Catholics and Orthodox are just like slamming it. 1735 01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:17,479 So like I had to scroll for a pretty good 1736 01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:21,000 ways before I found one supportive Protestant comment, and it's 1737 01:50:21,079 --> 01:50:23,279 like almost everybody's kind of noticing, like, you're not even 1738 01:50:23,359 --> 01:50:26,880 answering the question about authority. Nobody's saying that there were 1739 01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:30,560 no scriptures prior to the decision of the canon, whether 1740 01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:33,039 you think that's the fourth century or the seventh century. 1741 01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:37,520 The question is who decides what the total final rule is? 1742 01:50:38,399 --> 01:50:39,800 And he never answered, Wait, have. 1743 01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:44,479 Speaker 10: You heard I started noticing recently, I think they're adopting 1744 01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:47,720 this in light of our arguments that some of the 1745 01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,920 Reformed by the Presbyterians are starting to say that they 1746 01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,000 have normanive authority. 1747 01:50:53,279 --> 01:50:53,880 Speaker 4: Have you heard this? 1748 01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:54,279 Speaker 2: No? 1749 01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:54,720 Speaker 6: Haven't? 1750 01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:58,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy. Well, if that's the case. 1751 01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:02,479 Speaker 10: First of all, it's just so patently false because normal 1752 01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:06,520 authority is set against the rite of private judgment. 1753 01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:09,760 Speaker 6: So yeah, so they have to give up the Protestant classics? Yeah? 1754 01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:13,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, are they saying that? I know they don't believe this. 1755 01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:18,520 Speaker 10: If if you're presbyters, Actually, if you if you were 1756 01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:22,079 following what you thought was scripture, the final with the 1757 01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:26,439 you know, the the highest authority, you're saying they could 1758 01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:30,319 override and bind you against your conscience. 1759 01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:32,439 Speaker 4: Do you think any reformer would say that? 1760 01:51:35,359 --> 01:51:38,640 Speaker 6: Uh, even if they did, it would contradict the write 1761 01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:41,560 of private interpretation, freedom of conscience, and you know, the 1762 01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:44,119 classic the Protestant classics. If they want to give that up, 1763 01:51:44,199 --> 01:51:51,359 go ahead. Now you're like surrendering the Protestant fundamentals. So Isaac, 1764 01:51:51,399 --> 01:51:52,640 did you want to come back on see if we 1765 01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:58,000 can hear you now? Isaac Hayes, what's up? Dog? I'm 1766 01:51:58,039 --> 01:52:01,800 going to be burping, guys. I'm drinking my my wine. 1767 01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:15,880 Mom juice, Isaac, Isaac Hayes in the house. M dude 1768 01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:20,439 on that African dial up Internet? Why do you say 1769 01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:24,119 that that's racist? Can't hear you do? No connection? So 1770 01:52:24,199 --> 01:52:25,840 all the people that are on here are people that 1771 01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:29,600 are already in here. Where's the disagreeers, where's the debater 1772 01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:45,239 of this age? Spirit led Paul? Something must be up 1773 01:52:45,279 --> 01:52:47,399 with X or I don't know what because it's like 1774 01:52:48,399 --> 01:52:55,119 hardly anyone can connect their cell phone connections are crop 1775 01:52:55,239 --> 01:52:56,800 mister Wright, did you want to try again? 1776 01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:00,800 Speaker 4: Hell? 1777 01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:05,119 Speaker 24: Yeah, sorry for the last time. I was at work, 1778 01:53:05,319 --> 01:53:09,920 so I'm sorry for that. Home right now, so I 1779 01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:13,039 haven't taken a shower yet, so I just want to. 1780 01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:15,479 Speaker 6: Say that I will only talk to you if you're 1781 01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:22,359 in the shower. That's my uh, that's my robe. Come robe, 1782 01:53:22,359 --> 01:53:24,319 get in the shower, then then we'll talk. 1783 01:53:26,039 --> 01:53:26,359 Speaker 14: Okay. 1784 01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:29,119 Speaker 4: So basically. 1785 01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:36,000 Speaker 5: I grew up in a not a nominational Christian household. 1786 01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:37,600 Speaker 4: And uh uh. 1787 01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:42,600 Speaker 5: I used to view the UH church as a church 1788 01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:46,640 that was you know my My pastor used to tell 1789 01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:52,880 me that being in denominations, being in you know, denominations 1790 01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:54,720 like Baptists and. 1791 01:53:55,880 --> 01:54:02,239 Speaker 4: And angle Kinder, we should not be here the nominational thing. 1792 01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:12,119 Speaker 5: But my pastor of he passed away recently, but it's okay, yeah. 1793 01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:15,920 Speaker 6: So I would say, is that what's the question? 1794 01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:21,319 Speaker 5: I think the question is is that what is your 1795 01:54:21,399 --> 01:54:27,319 thoughts on Calvinism? Because I believe that Calvinism is a 1796 01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:34,680 great sin against the modern Reformed Church, because Calvinism teaches 1797 01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:40,720 us that I'm not predestined. Everybody that's not in the 1798 01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:43,319 that's not elect to go to Hell. 1799 01:54:43,479 --> 01:54:47,680 Speaker 4: So I think that it is quite disgusting. 1800 01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:53,319 Speaker 5: That Calvinism is being pushed in the Reform movement and. 1801 01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:58,600 Speaker 6: All, I appreciate your call, but I mean, the Reformed 1802 01:54:59,439 --> 01:55:04,479 are cal so nothing surprising that the Reformed would push Calvinism. 1803 01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:09,119 That is communism. But I have many videos critiquing Calvinisms. 1804 01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:12,000 So just put in Jay dire comic Calvinism and you'll 1805 01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,039 get those critiques. I used to be a Calvinist. Now 1806 01:55:14,079 --> 01:55:16,840 I see several people who've come up that we've already 1807 01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:21,359 had a non latinizer. Maybe you couldn't connect, I don't remember. 1808 01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:23,520 You want to try again. I know we got a 1809 01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:25,800 lot of people in the chat who disagree. I mean, 1810 01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:27,920 there's a thousand people over here on YouTube. I know 1811 01:55:28,039 --> 01:55:30,359 a lot of y'all don't agree with me. I know 1812 01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:32,760 y'all ready to refute me, put me in my place. 1813 01:55:33,319 --> 01:55:37,359 So why don't you call in? I'm super drunk already 1814 01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:42,039 on Saratoga wine, Mom juice right here. I don't even 1815 01:55:42,119 --> 01:55:49,000 know where I am. I'm stumbling over here. Give me 1816 01:55:49,079 --> 01:55:51,920 a call. I'd love to hear from you. I want 1817 01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:55,479 to hear your disagreements. I want you to disagree with me, 1818 01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:58,199 tell me why I'm wrong, and I want you to 1819 01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:01,560 put me in my place. Here's the right there. What's up? 1820 01:56:01,720 --> 01:56:02,359 Non Latin? 1821 01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:05,199 Speaker 4: Hello? 1822 01:56:05,479 --> 01:56:07,319 Speaker 2: Can you hear me speak? 1823 01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:14,520 Speaker 34: I don't disagree, just on task two questions? Okay, So 1824 01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:18,159 the first question is what the response do you give 1825 01:56:18,199 --> 01:56:20,920 me a when you ask an eathists to jify his 1826 01:56:21,119 --> 01:56:24,600 ethics and she appeared to an infinite three gress? 1827 01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:29,760 Speaker 6: Well, why would an infinite regress justify anything? That's not 1828 01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:35,039 a justification? I mean an infinite regress is it's like 1829 01:56:35,159 --> 01:56:37,039 saying that, well, I'm gonna appeal to a fallacy. 1830 01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:45,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean think about it. 1831 01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:46,760 Speaker 2: It's just passing. 1832 01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:49,800 Speaker 10: But you never get an problem with an infinite regress. 1833 01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:52,359 You never get an answer. It's like, well, that's only 1834 01:56:52,399 --> 01:56:55,560 an answer if this is an answer, Well is that 1835 01:56:55,680 --> 01:56:58,199 an answer? Oh no, you got to go to the 1836 01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:01,319 next answer. Like, so you never actually get a justification. 1837 01:57:02,239 --> 01:57:05,840 You just pass it on forever. So, in other words, 1838 01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:13,760 everybody knows that infinitism and infinite regresses are defeaters because 1839 01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:21,920 they're not justifications exact. And furthermore, here's a great reason why. 1840 01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:25,680 You know, there's several reasons, but here's one reason to 1841 01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:29,279 think of why it's not acceptable. 1842 01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:31,199 Speaker 4: Couldn't I just say that? Then? 1843 01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:35,520 Speaker 10: Can I just take the opposite position of them and 1844 01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:37,800 just say why? I have an infinite amount of reasons 1845 01:57:38,039 --> 01:57:38,279 for that? 1846 01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:40,000 Speaker 6: Do you see? 1847 01:57:40,119 --> 01:57:45,359 Speaker 10: So everybody could just appeal to infinitism and infinite regress 1848 01:57:45,439 --> 01:57:51,720 and obviously nobody's positions any better than anybody else's because 1849 01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:53,560 they're just all appealing. 1850 01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:58,159 Speaker 4: To the same thing. Well, there's an infinite regressive position received. 1851 01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:03,039 That's why it's so dumb, makes sense. 1852 01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:11,079 Speaker 34: It's the conversions why autonomous epistemology failures into subjectivism and 1853 01:58:11,319 --> 01:58:14,840 the why your revelation must be public. 1854 01:58:18,319 --> 01:58:23,439 Speaker 6: I mean, autonomous epistemology might not necessarily fall into subjectivism. 1855 01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:26,159 You might be, you know, somebody believes in some kind 1856 01:58:26,199 --> 01:58:31,600 of objective epistemology or objective knowledge, but your account for 1857 01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:35,479 it is autonomous. So the problem is that autonomous epistemology 1858 01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:40,920 usually ends up in some type of arbitrary attempt at justification, 1859 01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:45,239 kind of like saying well, fine, it's just an infinite regress, okay, 1860 01:58:45,279 --> 01:58:47,760 but that would be a defeater. It wouldn't be a justification. 1861 01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:49,439 So Benjamin, what's. 1862 01:58:49,319 --> 01:58:51,520 Speaker 4: Up, jay? 1863 01:58:53,239 --> 01:58:57,119 Speaker 2: I resent that so many young men from my church leaving. Uh. 1864 01:58:57,199 --> 01:58:58,720 Speaker 6: We got Paul Washer on the line. 1865 01:58:59,399 --> 01:59:02,479 Speaker 4: So many men are leaving. And I must admit I 1866 01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:05,640 do like the beards and the and the incense and 1867 01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:06,359 the things that you. 1868 01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:10,399 Speaker 10: Use, but they still don't compare to khaki pants and 1869 01:59:10,479 --> 01:59:13,159 a blue shirt and the King James Bible. 1870 01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:18,119 Speaker 6: And a Brady belt. Yes, thank you, Weeping Washer. We're 1871 01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:21,479 glad to have you here. Thank you. Yeah, what's that? 1872 01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:22,560 What's on your mind? Man? 1873 01:59:23,279 --> 01:59:23,640 Speaker 4: Nothing? 1874 01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:23,840 Speaker 5: Man? 1875 01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:25,520 Speaker 4: I just love the Paul Washer. 1876 01:59:25,800 --> 01:59:28,960 Speaker 6: Depression is one of my thank you Yeah. I haven't 1877 01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:31,239 done that one in a while. And I'm glad to 1878 01:59:31,319 --> 01:59:41,000 hear from our boy Paul aim Yazid that did actually 1879 01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:42,840 did a really good Paul Washer. That was pretty awesome. 1880 01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:50,199 What's up, man? I'm kind of glad that Middle Eastern 1881 01:59:50,279 --> 01:59:52,680 WiFi is not working because this dude looks a little wild. 1882 01:59:52,720 --> 02:00:03,840 What's up, man, I'm mute, Azim, I'm mute, dude, See 1883 02:00:03,880 --> 02:00:06,720 what I mean. We're just today. We've got some we've 1884 02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:08,800 got some wild bio. 1885 02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:09,920 Speaker 4: David, it's hilarious. 1886 02:00:10,760 --> 02:00:14,640 Speaker 6: I don't yeah, I don't know what that is, mother's sisters, 1887 02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:19,039 daughter's wife. Okay, that's a trouble person, Ben Sibleys. We've 1888 02:00:19,039 --> 02:00:21,199 got a lot of a lot of a lot of jokers, 1889 02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:24,479 a lot of comedians on the internet today. What's up? 1890 02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:32,600 Man T says for ten dollars, I am Jewish, but 1891 02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:35,720 you're funny. I don't know if that's the joke or 1892 02:00:36,079 --> 02:00:46,239 if she's not joking. What's up? Man? See that it's weird. 1893 02:00:46,319 --> 02:00:49,960 Nobody can connect and we got a bunch of jokers, noble, 1894 02:00:50,079 --> 02:00:59,319 what's up? We got a lot of people in the chat, 1895 02:00:59,439 --> 02:01:04,920 I see what some interesting world views? What's up? 1896 02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:07,399 Speaker 2: What's object? 1897 02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:08,279 Speaker 6: What's on your mind? 1898 02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:13,319 Speaker 18: I just wanted to ask about I guess the debate 1899 02:01:13,479 --> 02:01:17,920 between could like this could be a central way people 1900 02:01:18,039 --> 02:01:24,479 debate and have issues with disagreements. Rather, how would you like, say, 1901 02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:30,920 the mystique between like the mystic between Eastern Orthodoxy and 1902 02:01:31,039 --> 02:01:34,520 the various religions, how they like intercept. 1903 02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:36,680 Speaker 4: And like coincide. 1904 02:01:38,439 --> 02:01:40,439 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I didn't understand the question. Could you could 1905 02:01:40,479 --> 02:01:42,760 you rephrase it? The mystique? 1906 02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:47,359 Speaker 18: Yeah, like in Eastern Orthodoxy like in chat So I 1907 02:01:47,399 --> 02:01:51,199 have a chat GBT like knowledge basically, but it says 1908 02:01:51,239 --> 02:01:52,159 like you embrace the. 1909 02:01:53,720 --> 02:01:54,560 Speaker 4: Like the unknown a. 1910 02:01:54,560 --> 02:02:01,039 Speaker 35: Little bit in some ways mystery and known. I mean 1911 02:02:01,119 --> 02:02:04,920 not at a mogl etymologically, but within the context. So 1912 02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:11,960 people outside always think so in the West, mystery means. 1913 02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:15,039 Speaker 10: On something that you don't know. In the East it 1914 02:02:15,119 --> 02:02:20,039 means something that you know but you can't explain away. 1915 02:02:21,239 --> 02:02:26,159 So notice in the West everything to know something is abstract, 1916 02:02:26,279 --> 02:02:33,039 it's propositional, it's analytic, all these different things. The East 1917 02:02:33,439 --> 02:02:42,479 is incarnational, experiential, personal, and that's what we mean by mystical. 1918 02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:44,920 Speaker 4: It's like the way that I know my wife. I 1919 02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:49,359 know her, but I can't explain her. She's a mystery, 1920 02:02:49,560 --> 02:02:49,960 do you see. 1921 02:02:51,399 --> 02:02:52,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, the chat. 1922 02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:55,319 Speaker 10: GBT stuff's going to make it seem like, oh, the 1923 02:02:55,479 --> 02:02:57,560 Orthodox believe in stuff that you don't know. 1924 02:02:57,800 --> 02:02:59,159 Speaker 4: It's like, no, we actually know it. 1925 02:03:00,119 --> 02:03:01,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, clarity, what's up? 1926 02:03:05,399 --> 02:03:05,640 Speaker 2: Hello? 1927 02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:07,439 Speaker 6: What's on your mind? 1928 02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:10,560 Speaker 4: All? My MIC's all right, man, I'm in a car 1929 02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:13,119 right now. I just want to ask a question real quick. Man. 1930 02:03:13,159 --> 02:03:14,680 Speaker 29: I was watching a couple of clips today, or at 1931 02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:18,359 least listening to them, and I don't know if it's 1932 02:03:18,399 --> 02:03:20,560 just something like you don't necessarily care about I know 1933 02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:24,920 you did your videos with David Aarhon, but would you 1934 02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:28,239 ever do a formal debate with orientals man? Or you 1935 02:03:28,399 --> 02:03:29,520 just don't care honestly. 1936 02:03:30,319 --> 02:03:34,800 Speaker 6: I mean, we're doing a really detailed, multi part series, 1937 02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:37,399 So what's the point of the debate when people can 1938 02:03:37,479 --> 02:03:38,439 just watch the series? 1939 02:03:38,840 --> 02:03:40,800 Speaker 29: No, I'll tell you so, like my thing is like 1940 02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:43,479 and this is like maybe this is just like an 1941 02:03:43,479 --> 02:03:45,039 anecdotal experience thing, but like. 1942 02:03:47,199 --> 02:03:48,479 Speaker 4: And maybe it just goes over my head. 1943 02:03:48,640 --> 02:03:50,720 Speaker 29: But like a lot of the quotes it seems that 1944 02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:53,079 people use from both sides and not like like not 1945 02:03:53,119 --> 02:03:56,760 even speaking about just you, but from my interactions from stuff. 1946 02:03:56,479 --> 02:04:01,000 Speaker 4: That I've seen online. It's easy for the quotes that 1947 02:04:01,079 --> 02:04:01,800 people use for. 1948 02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:05,800 Speaker 29: Their defense, whether it be metopaitism, metia physicism, or deeophysicism, 1949 02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:08,199 that they could like, I could see how. 1950 02:04:08,479 --> 02:04:10,560 Speaker 4: They view like this. 1951 02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:13,279 Speaker 6: That's why the format of a debate would be worse 1952 02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:16,880 for that rather than doing it more like a college course. 1953 02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:21,760 That's why you can't rely on quotes and a debate 1954 02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:24,000 is just going to be an exchange of quotes and 1955 02:04:24,119 --> 02:04:27,279 quote minds. When that's why precisely why we would do 1956 02:04:27,479 --> 02:04:30,479 the entire approach of like a full college course. That's 1957 02:04:30,520 --> 02:04:33,199 why we're doing it this way. It's precisely because of 1958 02:04:33,239 --> 02:04:33,760 what he said. 1959 02:04:34,079 --> 02:04:37,479 Speaker 10: Realmancatholics, dude, they're going to give in and just quote mine, 1960 02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:42,920 be like, well, beans this and they always shy away 1961 02:04:43,119 --> 02:04:45,319 from the philosophical presuppositions. 1962 02:04:45,439 --> 02:04:48,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's exactly why we're doing it now. It's 1963 02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:50,920 taken a long time, and that's because Kai just got 1964 02:04:51,039 --> 02:04:55,199 married and he's you know, he's got things going, so 1965 02:04:55,319 --> 02:04:58,359 we can't do everything as fast as we might like. 1966 02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:02,600 But it'll eventually be you know, ten eleven part series 1967 02:05:04,039 --> 02:05:06,479 and David's already debated all those guys. I don't even 1968 02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:08,479 understand why we have to have the same debate. It's like, 1969 02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:11,479 when are you going to debate cosmic skeptical? It's like, 1970 02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:13,720 do you think cosmic skeptic is going to bring an 1971 02:05:13,840 --> 02:05:17,880 argument that all the other atheists haven't brought? I mean, 1972 02:05:20,039 --> 02:05:23,079 banana here we go, right here, banana bender five dollars? 1973 02:05:23,800 --> 02:05:25,840 Have you reached out to Alex O'Connor for a bit, 1974 02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:28,800 of course I have. He won't debate, So what do 1975 02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:31,960 you want me to do? Fun five dollars, Jay, I 1976 02:05:31,960 --> 02:05:34,960 had a dream I was hanging out with you and 1977 02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:40,399 Mettaker at a cabana. There were Futureisic speedboats. I wish 1978 02:05:40,479 --> 02:05:45,760 White Boy Summer could be that awesome. Yes, saw twenty dollars. Oh, 1979 02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:50,279 we already did that. Excuse me. Groove Monster nineteen ninety two, 1980 02:05:50,439 --> 02:05:53,319 ten dollars. There's another book. It's called Pilgrim Society and 1981 02:05:53,439 --> 02:05:57,520 Diplomacy eighteen ninety five to nineteen forty five. That would 1982 02:05:57,520 --> 02:06:00,560 be a good one for the Global Le series. I 1983 02:06:00,600 --> 02:06:02,239 don't have a pen. I will write that down later. 1984 02:06:08,439 --> 02:06:12,600 Ao fifteen dollars. Did you see Fuent's reply to Tucker? 1985 02:06:13,319 --> 02:06:16,840 What are your thoughts? I saw like a seven minute 1986 02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:25,800 clip of a response. I mean, I mean, I have 1987 02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:27,760 a lot of thoughts. I just don't really think that 1988 02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:31,760 it's that relevant, because you know, I'm over here doing 1989 02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:34,520 my content and it's like, what about this? What do 1990 02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:43,920 you think about this? I mean, I think that it's 1991 02:06:44,159 --> 02:06:48,159 just a huge mess. I don't know. I've been watching 1992 02:06:48,279 --> 02:06:58,439 right wing people fight for fifteen years. So Adam Heikeel 1993 02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:01,359 nine three dollars, can you do a video on Mormonism? 1994 02:07:01,680 --> 02:07:01,800 Speaker 4: Bro? 1995 02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:08,359 Speaker 6: Come on, man, We've done a lot of videos and 1996 02:07:08,399 --> 02:07:11,000 wominess guy five dollars. No, he did that. Excuse me, 1997 02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:16,239 Pogo rat Tool three dollars. I like your bitcoin talk. 1998 02:07:16,399 --> 02:07:20,079 You should get Cyprian on for a talk. The Bitcoin 1999 02:07:20,199 --> 02:07:22,600 Mystery School is Good's cool. 2000 02:07:22,920 --> 02:07:29,159 Speaker 10: He's got a god's virtual god son of Father Trevo. 2001 02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:33,640 Speaker 6: Oh okay cool. Yeah, I'm not familiar with him. 2002 02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:35,960 Speaker 4: Well, he knows way more about bitcoin than. 2003 02:07:35,960 --> 02:07:37,239 Speaker 6: Yeah, he probably does. 2004 02:07:37,479 --> 02:07:38,840 Speaker 9: I'm not joking. 2005 02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:43,159 Speaker 6: I mean bitcoin is its own rabbit hole. I mean 2006 02:07:43,319 --> 02:07:46,560 I've just approached it as an investor for most of 2007 02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:50,560 the time, until you know, beginning to read more philosophically 2008 02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:53,680 about it more recently, am I sauced Guys, I don't 2009 02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:56,279 drink I'm joking. It's sparkling water. 2010 02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:04,600 Speaker 4: I actually use g Nancy for a bitcoin m hmm. 2011 02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:09,680 Speaker 6: All of your investing is based around, uh, what's there's 2012 02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:12,880 one for birds where you where you do divination from birds. 2013 02:08:14,359 --> 02:08:15,199 I forget what's called. 2014 02:08:15,279 --> 02:08:17,119 Speaker 4: But do you think you could actually. 2015 02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:21,079 Speaker 10: Like create a whole kind of fake thing like that 2016 02:08:21,239 --> 02:08:22,800 and actually get people to buy into it. 2017 02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:26,920 Speaker 6: I mean there's already there's already people who do astrological 2018 02:08:27,039 --> 02:08:28,279 crypto investment, So. 2019 02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:31,159 Speaker 4: No way that's a great grift. 2020 02:08:32,600 --> 02:08:34,479 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you could probably do really well with that. 2021 02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:36,640 But like if you start one with geomancy, I have 2022 02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:39,199 to start one with the with birds. I forget what 2023 02:08:39,359 --> 02:08:46,239 bird bird divination is. But good job Jay with sam 2024 02:08:46,359 --> 02:08:49,640 Hide show. Very good writing, very funny and very insightful. 2025 02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:54,479 God bless thank you, Pogo appreciate that we've got some 2026 02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:57,399 some good ones about to roll out to some new 2027 02:08:58,159 --> 02:09:03,960 sam Hid episodes. Hed got ten dollars, Jay, you said 2028 02:09:04,119 --> 02:09:10,960 gold was mostly old. Gold was old. They cause it 2029 02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:16,239 to crash and manipulate. Is it possible they own most 2030 02:09:16,279 --> 02:09:19,760 of the bitcoin? I mean, we can look and see 2031 02:09:19,800 --> 02:09:23,159 how decentralized bitcoin is, so we don't have to wonder 2032 02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:27,760 did the elite invent it? I mean you could say 2033 02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:30,159 that some of the computer elite invented it because it 2034 02:09:30,279 --> 02:09:33,000 comes out of Austrian economics and it was a very 2035 02:09:33,279 --> 02:09:39,199 smart invention. But I think people who have these kinds 2036 02:09:39,239 --> 02:09:42,760 of overly conspiratorial arguments are missing that the point that 2037 02:09:43,159 --> 02:09:47,920 if you had massive amounts of bitcoin, there's no incentive 2038 02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:51,000 to dump it all. That would be completely stupid, right. 2039 02:09:51,039 --> 02:09:53,520 They'd be like saying, you know, if you have massive 2040 02:09:53,560 --> 02:09:58,399 amounts of generational wealth, Oh, I'm gonna dump it to 2041 02:09:58,560 --> 02:10:03,079 destroy this thing, like why would you destroy your family's Well, 2042 02:10:03,159 --> 02:10:06,000 it just it just doesn't make sense at a very 2043 02:10:06,119 --> 02:10:11,800 practical level. So people over conspiracy theorized thinking that there's 2044 02:10:12,039 --> 02:10:17,359 just this like omniscient you know, specter organization that can 2045 02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:20,960 just decide every single event in history, and there's no 2046 02:10:21,119 --> 02:10:24,880 incentive to dump bigcoin. But even if many whales did dump, 2047 02:10:25,079 --> 02:10:29,479 which they have done in the past, and to cause 2048 02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:33,960 some minor changes in the market, I don't think that 2049 02:10:34,399 --> 02:10:38,600 ten fifteen years from now, in my opinion, when bitcoin 2050 02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:44,039 has grown significantly, that there would be any incentive to 2051 02:10:44,720 --> 02:10:47,359 massively dump it. I mean, imagine you're Michael Saylor and 2052 02:10:47,439 --> 02:10:50,399 you own what is he five hundred thousand bitcoin and 2053 02:10:50,479 --> 02:10:53,880 bitcoin has gone up to I don't know, a million 2054 02:10:53,880 --> 02:10:58,000 dollars a coin. Why why would you dump all of 2055 02:10:58,079 --> 02:11:01,279 your bigcoin like it's I mean, there's not even it 2056 02:11:01,399 --> 02:11:03,319 just doesn't make any sense, Like what would be the 2057 02:11:03,399 --> 02:11:13,119 point of that? But bays grouper two dollars? Have you 2058 02:11:13,199 --> 02:11:15,359 ever done a Jesus Lin? Do it to Jesus Lean, 2059 02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:16,800 Do to Jesus Lean. 2060 02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:18,600 Speaker 10: No. 2061 02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:21,159 Speaker 6: I was never a fan of be Shock. Oh he's 2062 02:11:21,159 --> 02:11:24,319 still be shock was pretty funny though, paisios three to 2063 02:11:24,439 --> 02:11:27,039 thirty three a d five dollars. Matt Powell is a 2064 02:11:27,119 --> 02:11:31,399 Baptist preacher. He made a misguided video he quote minds 2065 02:11:31,439 --> 02:11:34,800 the church fathers about Theosis. Why would a Baptist quote 2066 02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:39,920 mine about Theosis? I hope we all could invite him 2067 02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:45,359 to call in. I mean, you could just send him 2068 02:11:45,399 --> 02:11:49,199 the link and ask him to call in. Let's talk. God, 2069 02:11:49,399 --> 02:12:02,600 I know we did that already. Five dollars from lean 2070 02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:05,039 about the carnivore diet just asked, you're a spiritual father? 2071 02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:11,239 What three dollars? I'm apologize. I'm confused about how people act. 2072 02:12:13,439 --> 02:12:16,199 I just connected that to the watchers in the Nephilin. 2073 02:12:16,279 --> 02:12:19,159 I'm sorry. I don't have no idea what you're talking about, 2074 02:12:22,119 --> 02:12:24,680 how people act or can It's connected to the watchers 2075 02:12:24,720 --> 02:12:28,279 in the Nephelin and block me. I want to be educated. 2076 02:12:29,159 --> 02:12:31,640 I mean I don't. I don't know who you are, man. 2077 02:12:31,640 --> 02:12:35,600 I'm sorry, mister freaky five dollars. This is a freaktastic show, Jay. 2078 02:12:36,720 --> 02:12:39,359 I mean, now that I'm drunk on this, Sarahtoka sparkling wine, 2079 02:12:39,439 --> 02:12:41,239 you better it is about to get even freakier. I'm 2080 02:12:41,279 --> 02:12:47,840 not even unboughting this button right here. I'll start my 2081 02:12:47,920 --> 02:12:51,079 own only fans right here, live right here with with 2082 02:12:51,319 --> 02:12:54,439 Oh look at that, Damie, are you getting jealous? I'm 2083 02:12:54,520 --> 02:13:03,680 only fancy Faine Daniel's twenty six dollars, Jay, longtime listener, 2084 02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:08,479 I'm inquiring orthodoxy. I'm very rural. The church is ninety 2085 02:13:08,520 --> 02:13:12,920 six miles away. It's a go arch church. I'd rather 2086 02:13:13,039 --> 02:13:15,680 be Antiochian or Russian. They're one hundred and ninety six 2087 02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:19,960 miles away. What would you suggest I do? I mean 2088 02:13:20,079 --> 02:13:23,520 I would reach out to both and make the decision 2089 02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:27,079 on the basis of the people and the priest, not 2090 02:13:27,479 --> 02:13:34,359 the lengths away. Mirro Hero, No, we did that. T 2091 02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:39,640 sends ten dollars again with the Jewish star of David. 2092 02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:45,199 So I'm guessing she's saying she's literally Jewish. Well, what 2093 02:13:45,279 --> 02:13:47,920 can I say, Jamie Jewish girls like me? What can 2094 02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:53,680 I say? She's Jamie's not upset, funny voice enjoyer six dollars, 2095 02:13:54,640 --> 02:13:58,800 My friend says accents and funny voices are not funny. 2096 02:14:00,279 --> 02:14:02,800 I mean, your friend sounds like a stick in the mud, 2097 02:14:02,920 --> 02:14:09,279 because pretty much everybody throughout all times has enjoyed impersonations. 2098 02:14:09,479 --> 02:14:11,359 So I don't know. I've never heard of a person 2099 02:14:11,399 --> 02:14:16,760 who doesn't think impressions are funny. I think funny voices 2100 02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:20,039 enhance comedy. Who is right and who is wrong? We 2101 02:14:20,199 --> 02:14:26,600 are right? Your friend is a boring stick in the mud, fallacious, 2102 02:14:27,000 --> 02:14:35,680 anti comedian, skeptic, hades undead five dollars cosmic skeptic. Instead 2103 02:14:35,720 --> 02:14:39,359 of debating, you made a video where he debated chat GPT. 2104 02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:44,239 This is truly a must debate opponent. I've never really 2105 02:14:44,319 --> 02:14:45,680 understood why anybody thought. 2106 02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:46,119 Speaker 4: He was like some. 2107 02:14:47,239 --> 02:14:50,880 Speaker 6: I mean, he's basically just a kid who has like 2108 02:14:51,079 --> 02:14:56,119 ten different nonsense contradictory positions between determinism and veganism and 2109 02:14:58,760 --> 02:14:59,560 cosmic sceptic. 2110 02:15:00,239 --> 02:15:01,199 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Jesus. 2111 02:15:02,399 --> 02:15:05,439 Speaker 6: I mean I don't really like what his world makes 2112 02:15:05,479 --> 02:15:08,560 absolutely no sense. So you know, if you guys are 2113 02:15:08,640 --> 02:15:16,680 like finding him really convincing, like, I don't know, there 2114 02:15:16,760 --> 02:15:20,520 we go, banana bender five dollars Jay, Have you talked 2115 02:15:20,520 --> 02:15:24,880 about the fact that the NSA worked on the algorithm 2116 02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:28,159 that made bitcoin possible? So yes, I think you're talking 2117 02:15:28,199 --> 02:15:31,479 about the mi T paper that was published about the 2118 02:15:31,600 --> 02:15:34,960 E dollar. Bitcoin is not the E dollar. If that's 2119 02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:38,119 what you're referring to so their opposite e dollars would 2120 02:15:38,159 --> 02:15:44,039 be like fiat things. Bitcoin is not a infinite infinity 2121 02:15:44,159 --> 02:15:52,399 fiat thing, Ignacio Larios. I mean the NSA was also 2122 02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:55,479 working on the internet. So why are you on the 2123 02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:59,319 internet if every all this attack is like you know, 2124 02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:01,800 it's this, it's the mark of the base they get 2125 02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:06,680 off the internet or even on the internet. Uh, Ignacio Larios, 2126 02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:09,640 too dollars, I would be buying and investing in a 2127 02:16:09,720 --> 02:16:10,600 yakuba coin. 2128 02:16:10,680 --> 02:16:11,039 Speaker 4: There we go. 2129 02:16:11,960 --> 02:16:14,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, cub coin is the future. That's a joke. Don't 2130 02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:18,760 try to sue me for investment advice. There is no 2131 02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:22,960 such thing, or is there. Maybe there is, Yeah, cub coin, 2132 02:16:24,119 --> 02:16:28,079 Jason and Tammy twenty dollars. You're drinking the best sparkling water. 2133 02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:31,159 I've actually changed my opinion on this. I did like 2134 02:16:31,239 --> 02:16:35,000 Saratoga for a while, and now I drink Topa Chico, 2135 02:16:35,079 --> 02:16:37,600 even though food again I says it's not good for you, 2136 02:16:38,079 --> 02:16:41,319 but it is now my favorite because it's the most bubbly. 2137 02:16:44,159 --> 02:16:46,440 Speaker 4: That's so weird. I just reported Chico. 2138 02:16:46,879 --> 02:16:48,799 Speaker 6: Why did you say it was bad for you? Remember 2139 02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:49,680 you tell me that one time. 2140 02:16:54,079 --> 02:16:57,360 Speaker 4: It it's got pfoas and stuff, in it. 2141 02:16:57,639 --> 02:16:58,000 Speaker 2: What is that? 2142 02:16:59,559 --> 02:17:03,079 Speaker 6: Well, look at up pfag's p fags in and what 2143 02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:08,639 is that? Is that like plastics ors? 2144 02:17:08,760 --> 02:17:09,079 Speaker 2: What is that? 2145 02:17:11,520 --> 02:17:17,399 Speaker 6: Somebody said there is a a kub coin crouthodox ten 2146 02:17:17,440 --> 02:17:22,280 dollars in ten to fifteen years. Smart money will take 2147 02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:27,639 three to five thirty year fixed loans against bitcoin. They 2148 02:17:27,680 --> 02:17:31,280 will then refinance every few years as bitcoin is parabolic, 2149 02:17:31,399 --> 02:17:34,200 and never pay it back. Yeah, exactly. I mean people 2150 02:17:34,200 --> 02:17:39,520 who understand this kind of already might be thinking in 2151 02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:43,879 this way, ignacios do a debate with dark Matter twenty five, 2152 02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:46,879 twenty five. Honestly, I'm kind of bored of debates. I'm 2153 02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:49,879 just gonna be honest with you guys, Like most debates. 2154 02:17:49,559 --> 02:17:56,079 Speaker 4: Are boring now, So debates are so two eighteen Like 2155 02:17:56,280 --> 02:17:56,840 you don't. 2156 02:17:57,360 --> 02:18:00,840 Speaker 6: Well, you're a professor when you see debates like I 2157 02:18:00,920 --> 02:18:03,879 think you mentioned this recently, Like debates are kind of 2158 02:18:04,280 --> 02:18:07,079 more entertainment now, you know what I mean? Yeah, what 2159 02:18:07,440 --> 02:18:07,840 do you think? 2160 02:18:09,079 --> 02:18:10,280 Speaker 4: Yeah? I think we should end it. 2161 02:18:11,719 --> 02:18:15,200 Speaker 10: I think we should end debates because it isn't like, 2162 02:18:15,319 --> 02:18:19,159 first of all, most people are not intelligent enough or 2163 02:18:19,399 --> 02:18:21,079 educated up to right. 2164 02:18:23,239 --> 02:18:24,520 Speaker 4: Or have the virtues too. 2165 02:18:24,760 --> 02:18:27,840 Speaker 10: Like I've seen some of our guys do debates, and 2166 02:18:27,879 --> 02:18:30,000 I'm like they should have made that point, like that 2167 02:18:30,239 --> 02:18:30,760 was a wrong. 2168 02:18:32,040 --> 02:18:32,719 Speaker 4: That was a wrong. 2169 02:18:33,440 --> 02:18:33,639 Speaker 28: Guys. 2170 02:18:33,799 --> 02:18:38,399 Speaker 10: Objectively, I can transcend my biases and objectively, look, most 2171 02:18:38,440 --> 02:18:41,520 people can't do that. And number two, like I said, uh, 2172 02:18:42,239 --> 02:18:45,680 most people don't even aren't even trained in philosophy or 2173 02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:47,440 like they have no idea what So it's all. 2174 02:18:47,479 --> 02:18:50,079 Speaker 4: Just root from my favorite guy and I put the 2175 02:18:50,159 --> 02:18:54,399 jersey on and it's all entertainment and blood sport and 2176 02:18:54,799 --> 02:18:59,159 it's just really dirtied. Hey, oh my gosh, dude, my 2177 02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:00,159 cat's drink. 2178 02:19:01,840 --> 02:19:02,280 Speaker 5: You hear that? 2179 02:19:04,760 --> 02:19:05,079 Speaker 6: Atack? 2180 02:19:06,079 --> 02:19:08,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to say that, like it's now a debate. 2181 02:19:08,879 --> 02:19:11,639 Speaker 6: You're gonna have toxo plasma gandhia I over there with 2182 02:19:11,760 --> 02:19:12,719 that cat going crazy. 2183 02:19:14,079 --> 02:19:17,879 Speaker 4: Anyways, what if we had you remember bum fights, if. 2184 02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:21,719 Speaker 6: We had debate that we already do. That's what That's 2185 02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:25,079 what this channel is, Like, that's that's what this says 2186 02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:25,479 right now? 2187 02:19:25,600 --> 02:19:28,559 Speaker 4: What do you mean anyway? So I'm making for a 2188 02:19:28,680 --> 02:19:30,120 push PIP and all debates. 2189 02:19:30,440 --> 02:19:32,040 Speaker 6: You're going to band debates in general? 2190 02:19:32,920 --> 02:19:35,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I win all debates, you see. 2191 02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:40,280 Speaker 6: Darius? What's up? Darius Rucker? What's up? Hooting the blowfish 2192 02:19:40,319 --> 02:19:57,520 in the house, Darius Rucker, what's up? I'm you man, 2193 02:19:57,600 --> 02:20:03,280 nobody can connect what is going on? Man? Check? Check? 2194 02:20:04,319 --> 02:20:04,479 Speaker 4: Oh? 2195 02:20:05,680 --> 02:20:13,840 Speaker 6: Check? Though, what's up? Man? Bumb debates that sounds like 2196 02:20:13,959 --> 02:20:17,200 something that would be a good sam hide skit. What's up? Check? 2197 02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:21,399 Speaker 4: Oh? What's going on? Dire? I'm glad you let me 2198 02:20:21,479 --> 02:20:22,239 speak for a second. 2199 02:20:22,280 --> 02:20:24,079 Speaker 36: I got a lot to talk about God and stuff 2200 02:20:24,200 --> 02:20:27,559 like that. See this whole compartmentalization, like this. 2201 02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:29,559 Speaker 4: Whole day a minute. 2202 02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:32,639 Speaker 6: What are you talking about, bro, I'm. 2203 02:20:32,520 --> 02:20:35,000 Speaker 4: Talking about the God situation. That's what the title is, right, 2204 02:20:35,639 --> 02:20:37,559 Uh sure, go ahead. 2205 02:20:37,399 --> 02:20:40,799 Speaker 36: All right, outside of like the religion dichotomy, like the 2206 02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:43,680 envelope that we put ourselves in these brown paper bags 2207 02:20:43,719 --> 02:20:48,159 and all that, and use this you know, specific terminology the. 2208 02:20:48,319 --> 02:20:50,000 Speaker 6: Well hold on, what's the dochtomy? Bro? 2209 02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:53,680 Speaker 36: The problem is when I have a discussion with people, 2210 02:20:54,399 --> 02:20:56,079 y'all are worried about like being right. 2211 02:20:56,520 --> 02:20:58,959 Speaker 4: You know, I'm trying to talk about facts right now, 2212 02:20:59,479 --> 02:20:59,680 are you? 2213 02:21:00,280 --> 02:21:02,000 Speaker 6: Are you right when you talk about your facts? 2214 02:21:02,639 --> 02:21:02,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? 2215 02:21:02,879 --> 02:21:03,280 Speaker 36: Yeah, yeah. 2216 02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:04,600 Speaker 4: I also wouldn't be talking you. 2217 02:21:04,600 --> 02:21:06,319 Speaker 6: Know what I mean? So you're worried about being right? 2218 02:21:06,959 --> 02:21:10,040 Speaker 36: No, no, no, no, I'm worried about you guys understanding 2219 02:21:10,120 --> 02:21:10,879 what I'm talking about. 2220 02:21:10,920 --> 02:21:13,239 Speaker 6: Bro, let's stupid. Bro, we gotta low like you. Man, 2221 02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:15,200 we're like a low writer. We're like a low writer. 2222 02:21:15,319 --> 02:21:19,760 Speaker 4: But it's not that low, right, That's not what I'm 2223 02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:21,639 talking about right now either. Man, I'm talking about the 2224 02:21:21,680 --> 02:21:23,719 God story. You really want to have that discussion or 2225 02:21:23,799 --> 02:21:25,239 you want me to do? You want to just polish 2226 02:21:25,239 --> 02:21:26,399 your own that you're here to do? 2227 02:21:26,559 --> 02:21:28,760 Speaker 36: Like, do you want to have the real discussion about God? 2228 02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:29,319 Speaker 2: Is? 2229 02:21:29,319 --> 02:21:30,360 Speaker 4: That's what I'm here to talk about. 2230 02:21:30,639 --> 02:21:31,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, let's do it. 2231 02:21:31,360 --> 02:21:33,520 Speaker 36: I don't care about you, I don't care about any 2232 02:21:33,559 --> 02:21:34,719 of your religionship, I don't care. 2233 02:21:34,680 --> 02:21:35,879 Speaker 4: Any about that dude. 2234 02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:38,639 Speaker 6: You're You're I'm intimidated. I'm intimidated. 2235 02:21:38,760 --> 02:21:42,680 Speaker 4: So I'm finally going to destroy us and beat us argument. 2236 02:21:42,760 --> 02:21:44,639 Speaker 36: What I'm saying, the whole God's story is a lot 2237 02:21:44,680 --> 02:21:46,879 bigger than what you read. Like it goes back to 2238 02:21:46,959 --> 02:21:48,239 ancient Titans in Greece. 2239 02:21:48,399 --> 02:21:50,719 Speaker 4: Okay ology is. 2240 02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:53,920 Speaker 36: Yeah, it goes back to these weird stories like these 2241 02:21:53,959 --> 02:21:56,799 are twin brother gods that came that actually had something 2242 02:21:56,799 --> 02:21:58,520 to do with where the moon is where it is today. 2243 02:21:59,159 --> 02:22:02,399 And it sounds crazy, but like we didn't make this up. 2244 02:22:02,520 --> 02:22:05,719 This is not just something that some you know, fairy 2245 02:22:05,799 --> 02:22:08,799 tale writer putting together for a movie. Scared some This 2246 02:22:08,920 --> 02:22:11,680 is stuff that this came from somewhere, These stories came from. 2247 02:22:12,239 --> 02:22:17,000 Speaker 4: Yeah people, Well, I have a lot of argument for 2248 02:22:17,399 --> 02:22:19,719 the existence of God. I don't need any stories or 2249 02:22:19,719 --> 02:22:20,680 any of the stupid stuff. 2250 02:22:21,200 --> 02:22:23,120 Speaker 36: That's That's what I'm saying, though, is we went through 2251 02:22:23,159 --> 02:22:25,559 this whole thing millions of people for thousands of years. 2252 02:22:25,920 --> 02:22:28,319 They all believe that this whole stuff came from somewhere. 2253 02:22:28,440 --> 02:22:30,479 Speaker 4: We have literature prove bro. 2254 02:22:30,559 --> 02:22:31,440 Speaker 6: Where's your argument? 2255 02:22:31,559 --> 02:22:31,680 Speaker 2: Bro? 2256 02:22:32,799 --> 02:22:35,680 Speaker 36: What I'm saying is that we have literature that covers 2257 02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:37,120 up the real story with. 2258 02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:41,000 Speaker 6: This sounds super gnostic, Bro, Are you a nasty The whole. 2259 02:22:40,840 --> 02:22:43,319 Speaker 36: Problem is that people put it in these these these 2260 02:22:43,360 --> 02:22:49,000 boxes mentalization, and they make this column us. 2261 02:22:50,319 --> 02:22:52,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, you've got an argument for this. I hear a 2262 02:22:52,440 --> 02:22:54,479 lot of assertions, But where's the argument. 2263 02:22:56,399 --> 02:22:58,440 Speaker 36: What I'm saying is what you read is probably some 2264 02:22:58,600 --> 02:22:59,159 fake water. 2265 02:23:00,239 --> 02:23:02,719 Speaker 6: That's so freaking deep, bro, But where's the argument for this? 2266 02:23:04,959 --> 02:23:07,079 Speaker 4: Well, you know you're not reading is where these stories are? 2267 02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:08,319 Speaker 6: Where's the argument? 2268 02:23:08,440 --> 02:23:08,559 Speaker 18: Bro? 2269 02:23:08,799 --> 02:23:10,799 Speaker 6: You keep asserting? What argument? 2270 02:23:12,440 --> 02:23:13,799 Speaker 36: Just one of my what I'm telling you is what 2271 02:23:13,879 --> 02:23:16,079 you're trying to do here is compartmentalized stuff. 2272 02:23:16,159 --> 02:23:16,920 Speaker 4: Man, that's the way. 2273 02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:19,239 Speaker 6: Could you say that for like the tenth time because 2274 02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:21,239 I didn't understand it the first nine times. 2275 02:23:21,959 --> 02:23:22,840 Speaker 4: That's what I'm trying to say. 2276 02:23:22,920 --> 02:23:25,040 Speaker 36: Like a lot of people see through, like how much 2277 02:23:25,079 --> 02:23:26,600 effort you put into LARPing too? 2278 02:23:26,719 --> 02:23:26,920 Speaker 24: Dire? 2279 02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:27,520 Speaker 31: It's crazy? 2280 02:23:27,639 --> 02:23:29,360 Speaker 6: Like why are you calling me dire? 2281 02:23:29,440 --> 02:23:29,559 Speaker 4: Bro? 2282 02:23:29,879 --> 02:23:31,159 Speaker 6: Like, what are you doing on my first name? 2283 02:23:31,239 --> 02:23:34,799 Speaker 4: My first name is J and I mentioned dires? Are like, oh, yeah, 2284 02:23:34,959 --> 02:23:35,680 you're religious. 2285 02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:39,120 Speaker 6: Do you got an argument or you just got a 2286 02:23:39,200 --> 02:23:47,319 bunch of assertion effort? This is probably the lowest. This 2287 02:23:47,479 --> 02:23:50,360 is like a low low writer conversation right now, Bro, 2288 02:23:50,639 --> 02:23:52,799 you got about their stories? Where's the argument? 2289 02:23:52,879 --> 02:23:54,680 Speaker 37: I talk about something completely different? 2290 02:23:54,680 --> 02:23:57,360 Speaker 4: But if you want to make it about yourself, where do. 2291 02:23:57,399 --> 02:23:58,040 Speaker 6: We make it about me? 2292 02:23:58,120 --> 02:23:58,200 Speaker 4: Bro? 2293 02:23:58,319 --> 02:24:00,440 Speaker 6: You're the one that brought a dire with going about 2294 02:24:00,440 --> 02:24:01,440 your Gnostics stories. 2295 02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:01,639 Speaker 5: Bro. 2296 02:24:02,879 --> 02:24:05,920 Speaker 36: Right, So when I talk to Dyer, if you ever 2297 02:24:06,040 --> 02:24:08,680 let me talk, I try to talk to you about stuff. 2298 02:24:08,399 --> 02:24:10,360 Speaker 6: About like, let you talk. You've been You've been yapping 2299 02:24:10,399 --> 02:24:11,799 this whole time with a bunch of nonsense. 2300 02:24:12,959 --> 02:24:14,360 Speaker 4: It's okay, It's a bunch of not okay, do. 2301 02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:16,840 Speaker 6: You have an actual argument? You told some stories? Where's 2302 02:24:16,840 --> 02:24:18,479 the argument, bitch ass? 2303 02:24:18,520 --> 02:24:20,200 Speaker 36: And if I find you somewhere, I will slap the 2304 02:24:20,239 --> 02:24:20,680 ship out of you. 2305 02:24:20,760 --> 02:24:22,639 Speaker 4: You know that I will take you. I will take 2306 02:24:22,639 --> 02:24:23,879 your well, So you better bring your gun with you. 2307 02:24:23,959 --> 02:24:26,200 Speaker 36: Man, I will pepper spray you, and I'll take your stupid. 2308 02:24:29,079 --> 02:24:31,040 Speaker 6: Do you have an actual argument or you just got 2309 02:24:31,079 --> 02:24:31,760 a bunch of threats? 2310 02:24:31,799 --> 02:24:31,920 Speaker 4: Bro? 2311 02:24:32,399 --> 02:24:32,920 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm just. 2312 02:24:32,959 --> 02:24:34,559 Speaker 4: Telling you I don't like you, all right. You're not 2313 02:24:34,639 --> 02:24:36,280 my homeboy, right, So if. 2314 02:24:36,200 --> 02:24:37,840 Speaker 6: You want to call me like a fake or with 2315 02:24:38,079 --> 02:24:39,000 where's the argument? 2316 02:24:39,479 --> 02:24:41,000 Speaker 4: I just know you one of the same bus as 2317 02:24:41,079 --> 02:24:41,719 everybody else. 2318 02:24:41,799 --> 02:24:43,920 Speaker 1: Dude, you could be in the Alex Chilling department. 2319 02:24:43,959 --> 02:24:47,719 Speaker 6: What are you talking about? This is like, dude, where's 2320 02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:48,600 the actual argument? 2321 02:24:49,799 --> 02:24:50,879 Speaker 4: Try to spin your bullshit? 2322 02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:51,399 Speaker 6: Religious? 2323 02:24:51,639 --> 02:24:51,680 Speaker 5: Like? 2324 02:24:51,719 --> 02:24:54,719 Speaker 6: What are you talking about? What are you even talking about? 2325 02:24:55,360 --> 02:24:57,799 Speaker 4: You're stupid. You're not tolding you anybody anymore. It's what 2326 02:24:57,840 --> 02:24:59,760 I'm trying to tell you. So if you have the 2327 02:24:59,799 --> 02:25:00,959 guy debate, that's one thing. 2328 02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:03,000 Speaker 36: But if you want to like Puck religion versus religion 2329 02:25:03,079 --> 02:25:05,319 and what this means in this book compared to that book, 2330 02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:06,280 that's true. 2331 02:25:06,319 --> 02:25:08,680 Speaker 6: Do you know the difference between an argument and a 2332 02:25:08,719 --> 02:25:09,600 bunch of assertions? 2333 02:25:10,040 --> 02:25:12,319 Speaker 36: I'm talking about something that has nothing to do with you, 2334 02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:13,719 has nothing. 2335 02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:14,799 Speaker 4: To do with you, man, So. 2336 02:25:16,399 --> 02:25:18,719 Speaker 6: You can't even have a conversation with this person. Are 2337 02:25:18,760 --> 02:25:20,040 you going to make an argument or not? 2338 02:25:20,639 --> 02:25:22,319 Speaker 4: Are you gonna let me say? Let me finish? 2339 02:25:22,399 --> 02:25:26,319 Speaker 6: Okay, Finner's with what You've been? Just yapping and threatening people. 2340 02:25:26,360 --> 02:25:28,719 You're not making an actual argument. You sound like a schitzo. 2341 02:25:29,440 --> 02:25:31,319 Speaker 4: So you tell me what do you think God is? 2342 02:25:31,360 --> 02:25:32,200 You think it's all fake? 2343 02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:35,760 Speaker 6: Where is your argument that gnosticism is true? Do I 2344 02:25:35,799 --> 02:25:37,559 think it's all fake? What are you even talking about? 2345 02:25:39,440 --> 02:25:40,559 Speaker 4: Where do you think it comes from? 2346 02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:41,159 Speaker 14: Where you said? 2347 02:25:41,200 --> 02:25:42,159 Speaker 4: Somebody just made it up? 2348 02:25:42,879 --> 02:25:44,959 Speaker 6: You made the argument that we should be some kind 2349 02:25:45,000 --> 02:25:47,159 of gnostic. I want to know why I should. What's 2350 02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:48,319 the where's the argument for that? 2351 02:25:49,319 --> 02:25:50,079 Speaker 4: When did I say that? 2352 02:25:50,239 --> 02:25:50,920 Speaker 15: That's not what I said? 2353 02:25:50,959 --> 02:25:52,520 Speaker 4: I said the God's story. 2354 02:25:52,760 --> 02:25:53,440 Speaker 6: That's difficult. 2355 02:25:53,440 --> 02:25:53,799 Speaker 2: What is that? 2356 02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:55,280 Speaker 6: I'm going to know what you mean by that? The 2357 02:25:55,440 --> 02:25:56,959 God story? What are you talking about? 2358 02:25:57,719 --> 02:26:00,600 Speaker 4: I just told you that it comes from somewhere. These 2359 02:26:00,639 --> 02:26:01,680 were ancient titans? 2360 02:26:01,719 --> 02:26:04,520 Speaker 6: These how do you know that titans? You're talking about 2361 02:26:04,559 --> 02:26:06,719 the ancient Greek Titans. What are you talking about? 2362 02:26:07,520 --> 02:26:07,760 Speaker 7: Greek? 2363 02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:12,159 Speaker 6: How do you know that the Titans is a true. 2364 02:26:11,959 --> 02:26:16,200 Speaker 4: Story because it goes back with more than just the Titans. 2365 02:26:16,360 --> 02:26:18,959 Speaker 6: It goes back like what what goes back? 2366 02:26:19,000 --> 02:26:19,040 Speaker 2: What? 2367 02:26:19,239 --> 02:26:20,280 Speaker 6: Tex? What are you referring to? 2368 02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:24,280 Speaker 36: Also, ancient Egypt had god kings that lived a very 2369 02:26:24,319 --> 02:26:26,239 long time and they were tall. 2370 02:26:28,440 --> 02:26:31,879 Speaker 6: Ancient Egypt had tall Titan kings. So that makes it 2371 02:26:31,959 --> 02:26:33,680 true because it was in Egypt. Why is it true? 2372 02:26:35,200 --> 02:26:35,520 I don't know. 2373 02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:36,280 Speaker 11: What do you want to say? 2374 02:26:36,360 --> 02:26:37,879 Speaker 6: I don't know, So your answer is I don't know? 2375 02:26:39,600 --> 02:26:44,040 Question Church? What's up? Man? 2376 02:26:46,079 --> 02:26:46,200 Speaker 5: Bro? 2377 02:26:46,239 --> 02:26:47,360 Speaker 6: I'm gonna peturspring you. 2378 02:26:47,479 --> 02:26:47,559 Speaker 5: Bro. 2379 02:26:48,159 --> 02:26:50,879 Speaker 6: Hey, look man, I'm gonna let you peppers bring me 2380 02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:52,200 because I just want to chill with you. 2381 02:26:52,319 --> 02:26:52,440 Speaker 4: Bro. 2382 02:26:53,200 --> 02:26:56,159 Speaker 6: I just want a couple of tacos, a couples and 2383 02:26:56,239 --> 02:26:58,559 I just want to chill. Bro, don't put the peppers 2384 02:26:58,600 --> 02:26:59,920 bring up unless you're gonna peppers. 2385 02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:05,280 Speaker 4: That's all I want, Bro, tighten docles. 2386 02:27:05,319 --> 02:27:09,559 Speaker 6: Hey, Tan brought the first tackles out of He's a dog. 2387 02:27:10,200 --> 02:27:10,600 What's up? 2388 02:27:10,639 --> 02:27:10,760 Speaker 5: Man? 2389 02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:13,680 Speaker 24: Yeah? 2390 02:27:13,719 --> 02:27:17,840 Speaker 4: Hello, Hey, Yeah, I got a question. Hopefully it's a 2391 02:27:17,879 --> 02:27:19,879 good bum argument. Uh. 2392 02:27:20,479 --> 02:27:25,840 Speaker 37: Regarding the Eastern Orthodox as the one true Church. I'm 2393 02:27:25,840 --> 02:27:29,200 trying to understand can that be established. 2394 02:27:28,680 --> 02:27:36,399 Speaker 4: As a universal truth claim? And if not, one end 2395 02:27:36,520 --> 02:27:38,520 up assuming what they're trying to prove. 2396 02:27:40,760 --> 02:27:44,000 Speaker 6: Uh No, it's it's universally true that the Orthodox Church 2397 02:27:44,120 --> 02:27:44,799 is the one church. 2398 02:27:44,879 --> 02:27:49,639 Speaker 37: Sure, Okay, So because I'm trying to understand that when 2399 02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:53,000 it comes to like the claim of like like you'll 2400 02:27:53,000 --> 02:27:55,200 say a lot like the if you want to have 2401 02:27:55,319 --> 02:27:58,120 the sacraments, or I mean, to have the sacraments, you 2402 02:27:58,239 --> 02:27:58,479 have to. 2403 02:27:58,479 --> 02:27:59,079 Speaker 5: Have the faith. 2404 02:28:00,360 --> 02:28:03,719 Speaker 37: So when it comes to like bishops in the Eastern 2405 02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:06,760 Orthodox community, like if I were to become Orthodox and 2406 02:28:06,879 --> 02:28:10,559 someone were to say, hey, you know which Bishop LP. 2407 02:28:10,840 --> 02:28:13,559 The forest gets attacked a lot. You know, he says, well, 2408 02:28:13,639 --> 02:28:16,559 you know, you know, well, why is he in your communion? 2409 02:28:17,239 --> 02:28:20,239 And to be able to consistently say to them, like 2410 02:28:20,399 --> 02:28:22,719 what I would I have to tell them if they 2411 02:28:22,760 --> 02:28:25,399 were to say, hey, I'm going to go be under 2412 02:28:25,879 --> 02:28:30,319 Bishop LP, I'm guaranteed the sacraments, right, would I, as 2413 02:28:30,360 --> 02:28:34,840 an Eastern Orthodox have to tell them, Yes, they're guaranteed 2414 02:28:34,920 --> 02:28:39,239 sacraments because it's in the canonical circle, and being in 2415 02:28:39,399 --> 02:28:44,399 the canonical circle, everybody is guaranteed sacraments. So you could 2416 02:28:44,440 --> 02:28:45,719 go to a universalist priest. 2417 02:28:46,200 --> 02:28:50,959 Speaker 4: You could go to any any doesn't so now you 2418 02:28:51,000 --> 02:28:53,399 shouldn't go to from the universal priests. 2419 02:28:54,159 --> 02:29:00,360 Speaker 10: But uh, the power of God and protecting against error, 2420 02:29:01,319 --> 02:29:04,079 I mean, it's no fault of the people right until 2421 02:29:04,200 --> 02:29:09,920 he's excommunicated outside of the grace of God covers his errors. 2422 02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:12,760 And it's even in the prayer of in the liturgy 2423 02:29:13,360 --> 02:29:18,920 because of my sins, do not do not withhold back 2424 02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:22,879 your grace. The priest says this in because if you 2425 02:29:23,000 --> 02:29:26,159 take it's it's a reduct you because if we take. 2426 02:29:26,079 --> 02:29:30,319 Speaker 4: That line of reasoning, you don't know any one point 2427 02:29:30,360 --> 02:29:31,000 in time. 2428 02:29:31,280 --> 02:29:32,840 Speaker 21: What quote unquote. 2429 02:29:32,559 --> 02:29:35,840 Speaker 10: Heretical beliefs somebody might hold in private, So that would 2430 02:29:35,959 --> 02:29:37,840 mean it would be a defeater for knowledge. 2431 02:29:39,239 --> 02:29:42,040 Speaker 4: If you take that line of reasoning, then you never know. 2432 02:29:42,040 --> 02:29:44,680 Speaker 10: If you're getting the sacraments, because anybody at any one 2433 02:29:44,760 --> 02:29:49,760 point in time could privately hold an error. So until 2434 02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:53,120 their excommunicator outside the body that protects that. 2435 02:29:54,040 --> 02:29:56,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why we're not don't race that God covers 2436 02:29:56,399 --> 02:29:56,879 their errors. 2437 02:29:56,959 --> 02:30:00,120 Speaker 6: Yes. Donatism would be the position that any error or 2438 02:30:00,159 --> 02:30:02,959 any sin, any mistake on the part of an individual 2439 02:30:03,000 --> 02:30:05,959 priest suddenly invalidates everything, and we're not donatus because there 2440 02:30:06,040 --> 02:30:09,319 is a synodal, public sort of status that goes along 2441 02:30:09,399 --> 02:30:13,479 with excommunication. Now to your specific question about, well, what 2442 02:30:13,559 --> 02:30:16,040 if there's this priest that I met that's a universalist, 2443 02:30:16,559 --> 02:30:19,719 there can be situations where, on a case by case basis, 2444 02:30:19,760 --> 02:30:23,040 there's a priest that is openly and persistent in their heresy, 2445 02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:27,280 and you should not associate and be underneath that person 2446 02:30:27,360 --> 02:30:30,200 if they persist in that, even if they're not immediately 2447 02:30:30,239 --> 02:30:32,719 removed from the church, because sometimes that can happen where 2448 02:30:32,719 --> 02:30:36,280 people are not removed when they should be, but usually