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Speaker 6: Today, I'm gonna open it up to any topic and
we're gonna let you guys decide what you want to
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to Tucker talking about banks, to Andrew Bustamante talking about
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over here talking about the coming clamp to the present,
rolling out coming clamp down of internets, which is not
to save the kids from naked women. They're actually introducing
all of this ID verification ultimately probably for some form
of shutting everything down. We got Lumberjack hunter Man. I
don't know what this dude is, but he's talking about
books and I like what he said. He had a
good message here. I listened to his video. Today. We've
got a young gen Z dude talking about NPCs and
no monologues. Remember this. Sorry, by talking about this a
few years back, I forgot about This. Doesn't even occur
to me that supposedly significant portions of the population thirty
to fifty percent don't have an inner monologue. This blows
my mind. I don't even understand, like how it's possible.
What's going Like? Did they lose it through toxic chemicals
and brainwashing? Do they never have it? Is this environmental epigenetic?
Is it genetic? Kind of crazy? We've got Cotel over
here talking about Zionism doing his stream on dispensationalism. We
also did a stream, by the way, Jim Bob and
I and Posh we did a four hour stream breaking down,
critiquing in toto all of the dispensationalists nonsense, which is
on Jim Bob's channel, so you can always go check
that one out. I think I'll put it on my
clips channel too. So that's all the stuff on my
mind and that popped up in my feed today. I
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Call in through the link in the show description and
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That is the Twitter link or the X link where
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Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 6: Let's go to the calls. We got a Nick Is
on the on the line right away, here, Nick, what
I'm what's up?
Speaker 4: Jay? Dude?
Speaker 9: So I've been going through the philosophy course. By the way, man,
if you guys aren't in the philosophy course.
Speaker 6: What do y'all do with my mind?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Man, oh man, if you guys aren't in the philosophy course,
I mean, you're dumb, Like that's just what it is. Yeah,
so your cook, dude, I've been loving it. I did
not expect the level of material that I was getting though.
When I went in, I was holding you know, we'll see.
I mean, but it's a it's just been so in
depth that I can't even like fly through the material.
I have to like go and really do the research
on everything because you're throwing out so many resources.
Speaker 4: It's just it's been.
Speaker 6: Awesome, But that's great.
Speaker 9: I had one deep dive that I wanted to ask
you a question about so on. I think it was
like your first module where you're going into the presocratics.
So I did a deep dive into Baile's an Aximander
and Anaximenes, and I had a question about those three
in relation to debating and not just like in terms
of debating like secular soy boys, but like actually your
own internal debates and being able to navigate these conversations. So,
from what I understood is you basically had Dailies who
came up with empiricism.
Speaker 4: You had an Aximander who.
Speaker 9: Was really focused on rationalism, and then an Aximenes, who
is focused on mechanism. And so what I've started to
see though, is now whenever I hear people stating a position,
I can just immediately go oh, oh rationalism, oh mechanism,
like I can hear from what position they're coming from,
which has been actually really interesting to see this whole
door of knowledge opened up to me that I didn't
have access to before. But my question I had for you,
Jay is when you have those different positions and you
can identify when someone is in that position, do you
have like a list of questions that you kind of
go through even if it's yourself or if it's your
in debate with others, when you identify they're in that
like kind of like almost like a template of here's.
Speaker 4: The types of questions you should ask to.
Speaker 9: Help dismantle the position or to like identify where the
flaws are at in the position. Because that that's been
the main thing I've been seeing is just everything is
kind of a combination of one or all of those
all those positions at once.
Speaker 6: I don't really have a standard plan, no, I just
kind of let people answer a few questions and then
it's pretty easy to figure out what their worldview is
and what the basic assumptions are. And most people have
pretty much the same assumptions no matter what in modernity,
so you don't really get a whole lot of variation
in modernity when it comes to worldviews and assumptions. So,
I mean, I'm not trying to be dismissive. It's just like, yeah,
I think also too, if you've done, you know, a
lot of debates from many years, you don't really think
through stuff. It's just kind of second nature how you
answer and how you apply to stuff because you've heard
the same stuff for so many years.
Speaker 9: Could I give an example. Sure, So I was going
through some gnostic stuff. It's not that I believe nascissism,
it's just that's hard to me. And I was like, okay,
i'll read through this. So as I'm going through, it's
talking about how everything in the Bible is metaphorical.
Speaker 4: And I'm orthodox.
Speaker 9: I'm a catechumen right now, so it's like, okay, I
can read it and understand how it's separate from our
position in orthodoxy. But there's stuff that I'm going through
and I'm like, all right, I mean, I understand how
that could be a metaphor, and maybe that's the case.
But then when I think, okay, what's like, what's the
epistemological foundation for that?
Speaker 4: This is the metaphor for this?
Speaker 9: And the answer is just well, those who have eyes
will see it, and it to me it's like, all right, well,
you're kind of in empiricism and then kind of in rationalism,
but there's no foundation for it. So when I attack
that position and I go towards okay, well, what's the
proof that you have, they just go towards. Well, it's
obvious to anyone who understands religious symbolry. It's obvious for
anyone who can see it. I don't really know how
to go further than that because they've just taken a
completely subjective.
Speaker 4: Position, So I don't know how to, like you.
Speaker 10: Make did you see the gnostic psychomath that came on
to debate Patrick and I?
Speaker 4: No, I haven't.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it's actually really hard to debate them for
the most difficult debates.
Speaker 4: You know why.
Speaker 10: You can't keep them on the train of thought, Like
they're all over the place, just jumping from one thing
to other, sort of bring them back to I think, Jane,
I've noticed that. I mean, even if like gnostics not
taking drugs and psychedelics, they're really fragmented in their thought.
Speaker 4: Isn't that interesting that it's really.
Speaker 2: Like the camp It sounds like Florida, man.
Speaker 4: It like actually sounds like Florida man.
Speaker 9: Whenever I'm listening to them, it's like schizo rants and
I can't really I can't pin them down on any position.
It just kind of goes all over the place. And
then this is just this is esoteric knowledge, brother, like
you you either see it or you don't.
Speaker 2: It's not for the masses.
Speaker 4: This is kind of what it ends up at usually.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, there's just so many problems in gnosticism.
I don't I wouldn't even go into trying to figure
out the extra Jesus of various passages. There's nothing about
a passage that automatically necessarily tells you whether it's supposed
to be an allegory or a simile or a metaphor, Like,
it depends on the context, it depends on the you
know what's going on. You can't just say like, oh, well,
this one is obviously symbolic, because it's obvious. It's like,
that's not an answer. Also, like, I mean, the problems
in gnosticism and these kinds of positions are more fundamental
than trying to figure out the right passage in scripture.
They're all kind of subjectivist and relativist, and they don't
actually give you any kind of ethic. In fact, we
did a talk some years ago that would probably be
a direct, more wide ranging answer to your question where
I covered Iurinaeus against heresies and all of his detailing
of the Gnostic sex and groups seven or eight years ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they commit the fallacy of I'm uniquely immune from
the criticism you're applying to me, and.
Speaker 4: They also commit. So, for example, if you take one
way to refute.
Speaker 10: Somebody argue with them, is you take whatever their epistemic
standard is, well you just if you have eyes to see,
then you can see it. Like, well, that's crazy because
that's actually my principle. My eyes told me that your
your eyes are.
Speaker 4: All messed up.
Speaker 10: Oh no, you can't use that same principle against me.
You see, that's uniquely I'm immune from that, and so I,
you know, in a humorous way, identified that I'm uniquely
immune from the criticism I'm applying to you.
Speaker 4: But let's take for example, Mohammedians.
Speaker 10: Right, they love to go after Christians with higher text criticism.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, then you bring it up to them for
then no that you can't use that. It's okay, I
got I got it.
Speaker 11: It's like the in jail.
Speaker 9: They'll say that where they're like, oh yeah, christ had
the in jail. It's like, okay, well we have no
documentation of that at all, Like you guys just kind
of made this up. And they're like, well, our text
is accurate, but your text is not accurate. But it's
just like it doesn't the argument doesn't move anywhere, and
I just kind of exit at that point. I'm like, okay, whatever,
I just don't feel the need. I'm also not in
a formal debate setting. But I've just realized that most
of the time, there's never like a hard there's never
a hard stance.
Speaker 4: Most of the time it's just it's like a very loose, airy,
fairy stance.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to find this talk on aeronas against heresies,
and it's not coming up. It's called it might be
hidden in an algorithm. They're out here bank No, I
mean it's it's it's it's actually hidden. It doesn't come up.
That's crazy.
Speaker 10: Well, you don't have the special eyes, you see. Yeah,
so you I can see it, Jay, because I've reached
I've reached gnosis. But I was gonna say it's thoroughly narcissistic,
it's antich hierarchical, and that in itself right because it's.
Speaker 4: Oh I have them not right.
Speaker 10: It's always I think what motivates a lot of these
people to get into the Gnostic text too.
Speaker 4: They don't like the church.
Speaker 10: They don't like the hierarchy, right, so on the church
are the bad guys, you know, See, that's hierarchy.
Speaker 9: And uh, I mean that's like the fundamental position they have, right,
that the nice Seeing Council like took away all the
gnostic texts, so like they fundamentally view the Church is
bad because it oppressed gnosticism.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I found the full talk and I put that
in the chat for you guys there. So gnosticism refuted
in saying against heresies. So awesome. For whatever reason, it's
hidden on YouTube. Awesome. Kai, what's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 6: That's a millennial name. Ka, what's okay?
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: It's I got an interesting request.
Speaker 12: So I'm I'm Protestant, but I've been looking into Orthodoxy
and I have like a Bible study that I meet
with and I'll talk to them about stuff, and so
I've been kind of bringing up to them like multiple
different questions that like I've been watching about your stuff
that I have, and they'll kind of just like kind
of steamroll me and be like, all right, well it's
five against one. We're just gonna start being like, well,
sol the scriptra and then I'll be like, well, let's
talk about that, and.
Speaker 2: Then they'll just kind of, you know, just run over me.
So uh, I asked some I sent him a text message.
Speaker 12: I'm like, hey, so if you could ask an Orthodox
apologist one question, what would it be?
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna send them this video later.
Speaker 12: So I have a list of six of their questions,
and I was wondering if you could answer them for me.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'll answer one or two, but I mean,
that's why we do use live streams. I'm not going
to answer six linky massive theological questions in a row
when you know we've got clips, channels, We've got like
thousands of hours of this material up. What's up?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I've been trying to listen to a lot of
your stuff and then send them clips.
Speaker 2: But you know how that works.
Speaker 12: No one wants to click on a four hour long video,
even if you're like, just send them a two minute
clip of it.
Speaker 6: Okay, go ahead, what's your question about the two?
Speaker 4: Real quick?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 12: Okay, the first one and this one's very basic, but
I feel like there's a very I have a very
Protestant understanding of this.
Speaker 2: I was wondering what the Orthodox understanding is. What is
the gospel?
Speaker 6: Well, Paul says, the gospel is the resurrection of crime,
and thus it's our participation in the resurrection you know
what you notice when he's asked that and he says
it's the death rown resurrection. He doesn't say that it's
the sinner's prayer.
Speaker 12: M Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, this one is the
next one. What is done differently that brings an Orthodox
Christian to Christ and separates a Protestant from him?
Speaker 6: What's done differently that separates from.
Speaker 2: Him Protestant from Christ? And then what brings an Orthodox person.
Speaker 4: Closer to Christ?
Speaker 10: Well, I mean there's a lot of things, but Christian
foremost the sacraments, that they're efficacious, the Gods divine energies,
like we actually God's not just a proposition in our heads.
You actually encounter them. And there's not just seven there's
the seven Sacraments, but the entire Church of Sacrament, the icons,
the So if we're going to be healed, and that's
what salvation is, it's an actual, not a propositional right
encounter with a proposition or a belief system, but with
actual encounter with God.
Speaker 4: And that's the medicine.
Speaker 10: So you know, and all the modes in which God
exists in stecments are obviously different. The way that He
exists in the uterus is different than the way that
she exists in the confessional and the icons and stuff
like that.
Speaker 4: But it's Protestants don't have that.
Speaker 2: They have it.
Speaker 6: I mean, I have a video top ten reasons I'm
not Protestant with all, which will cover all these. So
go ahead, thank you.
Speaker 2: I have one last one.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, are you there, Sippensen scissor sip sip sipen No,
are you there, dude, we lost him.
Speaker 4: We're here.
Speaker 6: Come on, Crucible, what's up, Crucible?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 13: Hey, hey, I basically have maybe what would be seen
as a twisted view. I believe in the Holy Trinity,
and I was Protestant and grew grew up Catholic, and
but anyways, I'm interested in being Orthodox, but I believe
that maybe God maybe didn't make.
Speaker 4: People black people.
Speaker 6: And yeah, that's really funny. Other uh yeah, super funny, dude, Luco,
what's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 14: Made is twisted? It is freaking email god or child
twisted edgy, it's metal.
Speaker 4: God, d.
Speaker 6: That's the twisted, twisted metal. What's up, man? I'm your Luca.
My name is Luca.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 15: I'm a guy from Serbia. And maybe it's not even
that I'm trying to debate or anything. I listened to
a bit of your stuff and I really want to
see that.
Speaker 4: I admire your knowledge and everything.
Speaker 2: But maybe a bit of a local question.
Speaker 15: I know you you read Houston Popovich, which is Serbian
Orthodox scholar, and I wanted to ask you what is
your opinion on Vatican's role in killings of Orthodox serves
people in the circle of the World War, because it
is documented.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've talked about it a lot. I mean, that's
one of the reasons why the Vatican is evil is
that they have beatified the person behind that, and the
cardinal was a steponic. Yeah, we've talked about that many times.
Speaker 4: Oh, did you you have videos on it or well, we've.
Speaker 6: Talked about it. I haven't made a specific video on it,
but yeah, no, it's the Vatican. It's totally corrupt.
Speaker 15: Yeah, but is there any like theological explanation? I mean,
obviously they disagree in auctions and everything, but isn't it
a bit too much?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Right now? Is there a theological explanation of what.
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 15: You know, the schism lasted for thousands of years and
there wasn't like any killing up until that point between ords,
dogs and cattle the people years.
Speaker 6: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Kisson was in uh thousand fifty three, if.
Speaker 6: I believe four. But what about it?
Speaker 10: There was all kinds of you saying there wasn't any killings,
but they're all kinds of killings because.
Speaker 6: Of the Yeah, Rome killed Orthodox Christians all the time.
There was I mean, they they invaded, uh you know,
they sacked they zantheum, what do you mean?
Speaker 4: And they in the in the unions too.
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: They also uh am I blanking killed Peter.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean there's there's tons of that.
I'm not trying to be rude, but I know that
they have killed uh Orthodox people many times. Wasn't just
a cardinal step On Neck or whatever his name is.
What's up?
Speaker 13: Man?
Speaker 6: Hey man?
Speaker 16: I just wanted to expand on what that Protestant guy
was asking if it's okay with you. Uh, Protestants don't
worship at all. What you do is worship the idea
of God in your mind. And you also don't worship
anything because you don't have the sacrificial meal aspect. If
you went too any country in antiquity, it wasn't about
how you worshiped, it was who you worshiped, because worship
was done almost identically throughout every system. I just wanted
to I'm so tired of Protestant saying they worship God.
Speaker 4: You don't.
Speaker 16: You worship an idea in your mind. You venerate yourself.
You don't submit to any authority. Right, if God says
homosexuality is back, you agree with that. But if you
ask you to be chased in marriage in the same way,
you won't do that because you don't understand what this
really is.
Speaker 6: That's all I had to say. Yeah, I think it's
important to realize that worship, as we noted in a
lot of these debates with the Roman Catholics when it
came to whether Muslims, Christians, and Jews quote worship the
same God, the only way are One of the ways
that they could get away with that fallacious line of
argument was by redefining worship to be mental assent to
what you think you believe in. That's not what worship means.
Worship is not just mentally assenting to the existence of
the thing in certain propositions. Worship is defined within the
context of the world being the religion in discussion, and
so from our vantage point, Muslims do not have the Eucharist,
they do not have any notion of sacrifice whatsoever in
their worship. God in the Bible has always required sacrifice
all the way back to the beginning. And that's because
Jesus is a priest after the order of Malchisedec. That's
an eternal priesthood that he's always had. It didn't begin
when he came to exist. His priesthood is the pattern
for Malchisedex priesthood, you see, because people don't understand Jesus
is the eternal second person. So it's it's I think,
just all flipped around backwards in people's minds. They think
that really, the more I think about it, I was
arguing with a Roman Catholic friend of mine the other day,
Well we weren't arguing, but we were going back and
forth in texts. And he's a super smart guy, one
of my last remaining trad cat buddies, and he's not
really kept up with They've been familiar with a lot
of the Muslim debates that we've done in the last
several years. And he was asking me about the Old
Testament Unitarian God, and I'm like, there is no Old
Testament Unitarian God. And this sort of blew his mind.
Speaker 2: He was like what.
Speaker 6: And I'm just like, have you not listened to anything
that we've been arguing for the last seven or eight
years against the Muslims, Like what do you mean?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 6: Like, there is there's no Old Testament Unitarian God that Muslims, Hebrews,
or that Unitarians all point to. And then there's this
new thing called Trinity that's you know, comes, that's that's
hinted at in the Gospels and invented by the Church fathers.
It's just really weird that people don't know what's in
the Old Testament. I mean, Roman Catholics just don't read it.
They have no idea what the toy teach is. They
have no idea what's in the prophets. If they did,
there's no way they could make these preposterous, just out
to lunch statements like the Unitarian God of the Old Testament.
So the more I think about it, the more I
deal with people from varying positions, whether it's Tomas or
whether it's Muslims and Jews as well. But they've only
debated once or twice over here. It's pretty evident to
me that Theophanes, pretty much Theophanies and the trendid in
the Old Testament ends up kind of being the clincher
for all of this, because if that's true, then all
of this nonsense of the Roman Catholics and their idea
that we worship the same Gosam, it all falls away
because there was no Old Testament Unitarian God, so there
is no common ground. They're all assuming there's a common
ground of Unitarianism, don't you understand. That's that's what natural
theology is all about. You know, Muslims teach natural theology
just like the Thomas. They have the exact same position
on natural theology. So it's really ironic that all of
this is kind of ultimately coming down to what's in
the law and the profits, which is kind of wild.
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might be the one that my publisher is putting out.
If that's what it is. I'm familiar with that EB
five dollars. Bro, you gotta make the intro music loop.
It does loop well. Read one piece. It's about secret
societies in the world government, the racist history. I'm assuming
you're talking about a fictional thing. Y saw twenty dollars.
Thank you for your content on church history. I'm moving
towards orthodoxy. Can you riff on muscular Christianity? I don't
know what that means. You're talking about like the strong boys,
like like the what are those guys called the the
God squad? Or is that I get that mixed up
with righteous gemstones? What's the.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't think of the name of it.
Speaker 6: When I was evangelical in the nineties, these dudes would
come to the like the Baptists love this stuff. They
would get the the I don't know what they're called
like this this Damie disc calls them the strong boys.
Like they come and then they they pick up this
thing for Jesus, and it's like, look what you can
do if you believe the Gospel. It's like, see all this,
I want to live that well, pray the sinner's prayer.
There you go, right, that's great. Uh, but they had
a name. It's just not somebody in the chat will
remember it. The Power Team. That's it, thank you, thank
you Power Team.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Did you have that in Calvary Chapel and all that
back in your day?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: No, but they played up.
Speaker 10: You know, I wrestled on Calvin Chapel and they had
do you remember they had the Lord's Gym? Yes, and
it was like power Team.
Speaker 4: Like they loved those. And then is that funny? Then
you have Shuler. Robert Schuler is our power It's crazy
how many? And I was just watching Oh what is
the name of the Uh? I always forget this. It's uh,
sort of like twilight Zone.
Speaker 6: But it's more I think this guy's wearing This guy's
wearing like karate kids ship Like he's wearing like a bandana,
and he's chopping b He's kicking and chopping bricks. What's this, dud, dude?
This dude's blowing up balloons? What the heck is this?
Speaker 2: What you up?
Speaker 4: Balloons?
Speaker 6: Dude? Before I was converted, I could never blow up
a balloon. But now that I prayed the Sinner's prayer,
I'm I'm I'm awesome at balloons.
Speaker 18: Man.
Speaker 6: Remember before Jesus before before you were good at balloons.
Speaker 4: That's hilarious.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but how good are you at balloons?
Speaker 19: Oh?
Speaker 6: It popped? What the heck?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 6: I don't understand? What the power? Oh yeah, the Power
team would tear up the phone book to remember that
they could rip the phone. Yeah, like this guy's ripping
the phone book. Oh you can get real mad, hey
brother exactly. Oh, he's ripping multiple Oh they're having a
phone book rip off? Like who could rip more phone books? Jamie?
You remember the strong boys in Baptist Church.
Speaker 4: Why does his balloon look like a big whoopy cushion?
Speaker 6: Exactly? That's like, what is that doesn't becushion? It's like, okay,
now they're gonna are they gonna? They're gonna break a
bat in half? Look at this pop.
Speaker 10: I can't find the best one that I really love
is drunk on the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 4: Dude?
Speaker 6: Is that a what do you mean? It's like a bodybuilder?
Speaker 4: No, he was like on I think you advice did something.
Speaker 10: But like he's this guy who's all tatted up and
he gets like high and drunk on the like he's
like drink cup this Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2: Oh wow?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like you guys like a church guy.
Speaker 6: Remember the strong boys, Jamie. Look at these guys. Did
you have the power team come to your Baptist church?
You didn't have it?
Speaker 11: What do you mean?
Speaker 6: Remember these guys? Every bad every Baptist church had the
power team. How could you not have it? Look they're
blowing up balloons. I don't know why, but how good
are you at balloons?
Speaker 1: That's incredible?
Speaker 6: Is that what it's supposed to be? Can't every I know,
can't everyone blow up a balloon?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 6: Anyway? Now everybody? So how do we get on that?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: The super Jack question was, uh, can you riff on bodybuilding?
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 6: Muscular Christianity? Well, Father Moses is a bodybuilder. Bodybuilding is
pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If you're like it's faking great.
Speaker 6: Thank gay. But I mean I'm not into, you know,
becoming like one of these massive steroid beast type of dudes.
To me, that looks ridiculous. I don't understand why people
do that. But can you pair the strength.
Speaker 4: With spirit?
Speaker 6: In the spirit, I don't know what that means. Yes, said,
let's hoist weight and eat apple meat exactly. Now you're
talking about language tony twenty pounds. I agree, that all
worldviews have assumptions when it comes to foundations. My friend
said to me, but you are assuming God to prove God.
I tried to use tag How do I refute this?
This is my first time super chatting. Well, the atheist
is missing the point of the argument. The argument is
not that you're saying, well, I prove God by just
assuming that God exists. Therefore God exists. You're actually saying that.
It's an indirect argument, and you're saying that if God exists,
then world views and knowledge are possible. If God doesn't exist,
world views and knowledge and ethics are not possible. We
have world views, we have knowledge, we have ethics. Therefore
God exists. So they're missing that. It's a different type
of argument. The argument is not God exists, I assume him,
therefore he exists. That's not what we're saying.
Speaker 10: Did you want to say something if God didn't exist,
you think we could blow up balloons like that?
Speaker 6: Yeah? How could you have power teams? It would be impossible.
There would be no power. There would be no power,
so there would be no power teams. Guy, five dollars.
I started digging into church history. Do you know of
good YouTube videos? About the Church Fathers. Yeah, I have
many of those on my channel that are much older.
So if you go to the front page of my channel,
you will notice a lecture series I did five or
six years ago. I don't know why nobody ever checks
out people's main pages. It's just weird, like people don't
go to anyone's main page anymore, because if you did,
you would see, here's all the debates in a playlist.
Here is traditional philosophy, metaphysics, and in this talk we
go through the entirety of John Damascus, Saint John Damascus
is on the Orthodox faith. So there's a whole series there.
And also, guys, people don't know this maybe, but on
the front of everyone's channel is a channel specific search box.
Is that right there? So we could search, for example,
church fathers, and you'll get me five years ago doing
a talk on Yaroslav Pelicans Volume one. Right there, you'll
get a talk here, fifteen Orthodox books, seven ecumenical councils.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: A lot of this is there's on Pallem St. Gregory Palama,
so a lot of church father stuff will come up. Unfortunately,
we know that it's the search functions are not the
best over here, but they still kind of work. They
halfway work. Let's talk God. Five dollars. What is orthodox
predestination or predestination is seen through the lens of Christology.
So yes, I do have videos on this, and again
it's underneath the John Damascus lecture series down here. So
go to my main page and play this playlist right here.
See this, This is going through all of the essenceentrity,
sinction stuff. All that stuff is right here, Adam crazy
five dollars. Muscular Christianity is a philosophy about athletic discipline
masculine Christianity from the UK at the turn of the
twentieth century. It is actually the origins of the YMCAO.
I didn't know that. I did not know that Muscular
Christianity so it's an actual Protestant movement. I did not
know that. Thank you, Adam. I thought we were talking
about the power team cosmic saws. Five dollars. Did you
see that Peers removed your picture? Well it's not Peers.
For whatever reason, my picture was never on the thumb
It was on it wasn't on the thumbnail, and then
it was on a thumbnail, and then it wasn't on
the thumbnail. But another thing that they do, and a
lot of big channels do, is rotate thumbnails. And this
is a mister Beast strategy. What they do is the
first time a video goes up, it has one thumbnail,
and then after the core you know, superfan audience watches it,
they'll rotate to another thumbnail because people will then think, oh,
that's a different video. I didn't see that it's a
different thumbnail. So this is kind of a YouTube strategy.
I don't know that it was intentionally removing me from
but they could have been, because who knows. I haven't
been asked back on although I did email the producers
and ask them. I said, was I too sassy? You
every time I come on? You guys have asked me
to be sassy? And they said no. They said we
would like to have you back, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 6: Helen, No, Helen, no, Helen. Hey, Jamie, could you make
me an expresso? Are you in there? Thank you?
Speaker 4: Am? I on? Yeah?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 4: What's up? Panel? I had a question and I wanted
to get your take on it. This is second Timothy
three two Timothy chapter.
Speaker 19: Three, verses fifteen to seventeen, about how all scripture is breathed.
Speaker 6: Out by God.
Speaker 4: I'm sure we're all familiar. So I was doing a little.
Speaker 19: Research on this passage by Paul to Timothy, and I
was able to dig up some interesting facts by it.
How it was written somewhere around.
Speaker 4: Sixty four and sixty seven a d. Before the time
of most gospels. I think that we do. We have
the Gospel of Mark recorded around.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's referring to the Old Testament.
Speaker 19: Text correct, Yeah, yeah, So I guess, as you, being
an Orthodox believer, how how would you reconcile something like
the words of Paul saying that if you're trying to
live righteously and the Torah is the I guess the.
Speaker 4: What you want to refer back to when you're training
for righteousness and reprove and correction, et cetera.
Speaker 19: How do you guys, then, or what's your take on
reconciling the validity of the Torah that Paul is writing
about to Timothy.
Speaker 6: There is no need to reconcile anything. I don't even
understand the argument. What there's nothing in this cell. There's
nothing in this text that number one teaches solo scripture.
There's nothing in this text that teaches that there won't
be Yeah, and we finished that there won't be New
Testament passages that are also part of Scripture. So what
do you mean reconciling what?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 4: So let's take, for example, let's say food laws. Let's
take that for example, right the Vedicus eleven.
Speaker 19: It's a it's a divine command from God to eat
clean animals, and.
Speaker 4: So as an Orthodox, I believe you believe that we
can eat whatever we want.
Speaker 6: I mean, are you familiar with the hold on? So
you're appealing to Paul as your starting point right for this?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm appealing to Paul scripture.
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, So elsewhere Paul explains explains the dietary laws,
doesn't he like at the end of Timothy verse Timothy,
where he says that all food is given by God
and is sanctified by the Word of God in prayer.
Speaker 19: Okay, So I guess here's where I would push back
a little bit and say.
Speaker 6: How elt let me ask you this question before you
go into this. In the other passages where Paul talks
about dietary laws, how does he exidute them? What's their significance?
Are you there? I guess we lost him. Are you there, man,
I still see you, but you're not. We can't hear you.
Speaker 4: I never understand this too.
Speaker 6: I mean, try to call back in if you'd like to.
Speaker 10: Because a doctor gave you a dietary prescription, does it
follow that what I have to be on this diet forever.
Speaker 4: That's why I don't understand what hope, well, God says it.
You know how you brought this up to.
Speaker 10: Like, obviously things can be some like parents do the
same thing too. There can be laws and prescriptions given
for a period of time, but for some reason people
can't get to be like, well, it's God, it has
to be well.
Speaker 6: I mean, even Jews believe that there's certain laws and
prescriptions from God that were for a certain amount of time,
or were temperary or can be bypassed. For example, Jews
don't have a temple, and they will say that, well,
when there's no temple, then you just do your good
works and that makes up for not having a temple. Well,
that's the Christian position. Likewise, Paul many many times in
the New Testament speaks about the dietary laws and their temporal,
limited scope and usefulness. So when the Messiah came as
the Book of Hebrews says those things are no longer necessary.
They serve their time, and you can't go back to
the thing that those things pointed to, Right Like, if
Jesus has come and that's the purpose of all those things,
it would be a retrograde move to go to those
things when the reality that those things typified has come,
the realities here. It'd be like saying, I don't want
to build the Trump Tower. I want the miniature, you know,
little desk model that Trump built of Trump Tower that's
sitting on his desk. Well, but the model is pointing
to and shadowing, foreshadowing of the actual Trump Tower when
it gets built, Right, Yeah, why would you go back
to the model? It's just doesn't make any sense. Paul Paul,
many times over in The New Testament, for example, says
that the division between different foods, different unclean and clean animals,
or different garments sewed together, or different seeds in a field.
He says those were all symbolic of moral goods and evils.
Unclean animals symbolized vices, they symbolize sin. Okay, that's the
pedagogical purpose of the clean and unclean animals. Strictly speaking,
there's no such thing as an unclean animal, because God
created them. Think how stupid this is that God creates
something unclean? Of course not. The restrictions were in place
as a pedagogical tool for a temporary time period to
teach Jews a lesson about good and evil until the
Messiah comes. And then Jesus says, it is not what
enters a man that makes them unclean, but the things
that proceed out of his mouth, because they proceed from
his heart, that make a man unclean. So Jesus himself
says that it's not about the unclean animals, and Paul
says this is many times over as well.
Speaker 4: It's totally man. I can't.
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 6: Again, well, what's the whole purpose of the vision that
Peter has of the unclean animals coming down in the
blanket and God says, rise and eat Peter, Oh, I
would never do that, and he says, rise and eat.
Speaker 4: More.
Speaker 6: It's uh, okay, he's back if he wants to try
to talk again.
Speaker 19: I think I lost you guys earlier. I was able
to I was able to listen, and you guys were
about so without I suppose that. I mean, we can't
get into the whole dietary Reistricians. I'm not uh, I'm
not opposed to go in there, but I just wanted
to go back and bring it back to the writing
of Paul. Was as if you were tried or live
a righteous life, Timothy about to observe, to train in
all righteousness. So so you're saying that there is no
reconciliation because Christ is time.
Speaker 4: Therefore we must.
Speaker 6: I mean, have you read the Book of has it's
only temporary? Have you read the book? Ready? What what
does it say about all these things?
Speaker 4: Read? So it says that the law is the the.
Speaker 6: What does it say about the Sabbath? Law dogs?
Speaker 4: I think that's Chapter ten talks about.
Speaker 6: The Sabbath is chapter four of Christ? Chapter four is
the Sabbath? What does it say about that stuff?
Speaker 19: It talks about how it's a shadow of things to come.
Speaker 6: And okay, has Christ come?
Speaker 4: Gas come? But here I believe is a there's an
issue because it just take the plane reading with just
isolating that.
Speaker 6: There's no such thing as isolating passages with a plane reading.
That's what every heretical second is.
Speaker 4: It's true. But what I'm what I'm saying is referring
to the whole council of Scripture.
Speaker 6: And what I mean by you're not And you just
literally said, I'm going to isolate a passage. How are you?
How are you referring to the How are you?
Speaker 4: You? Can I speak?
Speaker 6: No, because because what you're no, you're not going to
be able to just blow past.
Speaker 19: So, so here's so no, no, no, Well, I'm trying
to finish a sentence and you're trying to interrupt.
Speaker 4: I let you speak.
Speaker 6: I mean, what you're saying doesn't make sense. That's why
I'm interrupting you. It's not because I'm being mean. You
just said I want to appeal. I want to appeal
to the pash For a second, you said you want
to appeal to the whole count to God, and then
you said, let's isolate this passage that doesn't make any sense.
That's a contradiction. Hello are you there?
Speaker 4: Hello? Hello? Yeah? Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: Yes? How are you appealing to the whole counsel of God?
If you're saying that, let's take this passage in isolation?
That makes no sense?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Again, you're you're I did not say that.
Speaker 6: You did say that. That is literally what you said.
Speaker 4: You everybody can go back in this video and watch
everybody heard.
Speaker 6: Those are the thousand people watching right now. That's what
you said. What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: And I'm glad they are. And I'm glad they are.
Speaker 19: I'm saying that you can't isolate something alone, because that
would be I sagging says.
Speaker 4: You can look at the entire Council of Scripture or
interpret scripture.
Speaker 6: You have to look at Did you not say, let's
take this passage in isolation, I say, lest I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't believe I said that. I'm saying this.
Speaker 19: Okay, if I okay, let's s let's say for the
sake of it, I did. Okay, So let me let
me let me wreck myself. Well, let me make myself
a little bit more clear in case I did say that,
I don't believe that it's proper exegesus to take a
single passage and interpret that to be the definitive conclusion. Rather,
I'm saying that you should look at the entire Council
of Scripture.
Speaker 6: You're literally doing that with this passage.
Speaker 4: Can I can I finish my sentence?
Speaker 6: You are literally doing that with this passage?
Speaker 4: Can I can I finish my sentence?
Speaker 6: Finish your sentence.
Speaker 4: Thank you take your breath.
Speaker 6: So now I'm not I'm not the one that's what
you're saying is retarded, So don't now, don't tell me
to take a breath. And then who you're interrupting me
after you say some stupid let let somebody finish their
Make your argument, dude, your argument is garbage. It doesn't
make any sense.
Speaker 4: That's that's cool.
Speaker 6: I know the don't make it. Stop blining, make it.
Speaker 4: And stop blinning.
Speaker 6: Okay, you already contradicted yourself, and then you're acting like
I'm the one that's a problem. You contradicted yourself.
Speaker 4: Let me know where I can speak.
Speaker 6: Dude, you contradicted yourself, and then when I call you
out on it, you're acting like I won't let you talk.
When you're saying garbage, make your argument speak, make the argument.
Speaker 19: You can't look at isolated passages and then just say
that that's that's what that says.
Speaker 4: You have to look at it.
Speaker 6: You're literally doing that right here. How are you not
doing that right here?
Speaker 19: Because I'm trying to bring it back to the entirety
of scripture, which is something I'm sure you believe in, but.
Speaker 6: You're literally doing it from one passage and saying this
is the key to all of the other passages. Everything
must be fit.
Speaker 19: This is is Jesus you do this is okay, great,
let's let's do this instead. Let's do this instead, and
I'll and I'll come back to this. Is there a
hierarchy of authority that you take when you're examining scripture entirety,
the entirety of scripture?
Speaker 4: Is there like a hierarchy of who has authority.
Speaker 6: You mean within scripture or in general within scripture?
Speaker 4: Yes, how do you go about who's at the top?
I suppose? And then how does it trickle down for you?
Speaker 6: Well, and it's going to be determined by the tradition
of the church, because that's how we know what the
scriptures are is the tradition.
Speaker 2: Of the church.
Speaker 19: Okay, So it's a tradition that okay, can I let
me let me know, okay, So thank you for clarifying.
Speaker 4: Now let me ask you this.
Speaker 19: So in light of very clear pat passages, where where
where God, her Father or Messiah says something, is there
ever any chance for places where the where the tradition
of Orthodoxy will say, well, do.
Speaker 4: You know what I know? That God said this.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't even I won't even grant you
that there are the clear passages. You're just assuming that
they are clear. So I don't even know what you
think of that's just your assumption that there's a clear passages,
and then there's the one that's not says who and
how do you know?
Speaker 19: Okay, well, I think I think God is not the
author of confusion. I think that when he speaks there
And what I'm getting to is this right? So, so
you're saying equating that the interpretation of your church specifically
is the definitive authoritative interpreter of scripture?
Speaker 6: Correct not?
Speaker 4: God? Am I am I hearing that correctly?
Speaker 6: No, it's not. It's not. You're pitting it quote against God.
God set up the church. Therefore the church is the
pillar and ground of truth. Doesn't Paul tell Timothy that
the church is the pillar and ground of truth.
Speaker 10: It's just so crazy, it's such a crazy secular modern
mindset that we'll just look at the This is where
textual criticism, Like what you're saying gets you to textual criticism.
Speaker 4: We'll just look and analyze from these secular kind of
views of how.
Speaker 10: To interpret text apart from the community in which it
was written in and looking at any of this stuff.
I mean, that's and that's why you get crazy theories
and interpretations like you do.
Speaker 4: Can I respond to that?
Speaker 6: Who does Paul say is the pillar and grounded truth?
Speaker 4: The assembly?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 6: Can I respond to the assembly? What's the word there?
The clusia? Which is the what? Why doesn't he say
it's Why doesn't he say it's the written text?
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's so, this is what I want to
respond back to.
Speaker 6: Your Why doesn't he say it's the written text?
Speaker 19: Well, because he's under the assumption that the that the readers,
who were your host was talking.
Speaker 6: So he's only the assumption that the readers will just
stay in the Protestant position.
Speaker 19: No, No, not at all, not at all, because you
have to keep you have to keep in mind because
I'm sure you guys know that the audience are first
entry or abiding, lawful Jews.
Speaker 6: No, the Church at Ephesus is the church. That's the
Church at Ephesus is not Jews. What are you talking about? Okay,
So who's the church at Ephesus? So you have no
idea what you're talking about. You're just spitting out Protestant nonsense,
assuming that this is I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think this is Protestant. I think it's just
I think it'd be a natural conclusion to assume.
Speaker 6: You didn't even know who?
Speaker 4: Did you know?
Speaker 6: Timothy's in Ephesus. That's not a Jewish church. What are
you talking about?
Speaker 4: Was? Was Timothy not a Jew?
Speaker 6: The church in Ephesus is not a primarily Jewish church.
Speaker 4: Was Timothy a Jew?
Speaker 6: What does that have to do with whether the church
is primarily a Jewish Torah observant community, which you're assuming.
I'm showing you that Paul tells the church at Ephesus
to not worry with the ceremonial laws, which is the
opposite of what you're saying.
Speaker 19: Well, so, so here's where I think there's a contradiction
in in maybe the Orthodox tradition. How can we say,
how can we say that Paul is forsaking the telling?
Speaker 6: Nobody's forsaking the Torah? You just simply don't. That's everything
I answered, because everything I answered, And all right, you're done,
get out here wasting our time, all right, stupid just
dutyizing nonsense, Golden, what's up? Yeah, everything that he objected
to about the first question with dietary laws. We answered,
he comes back, doesn't want to deal with that, then
switches to saying the whole Council of God from an
isolated text. Then he says, I never said isolated text.
Everybody in the chat was literally typing. We heard you
say it, dude, what's up all right? Well we dropped
off solo, what's up? All right?
Speaker 17: So I should have talked about sola feed and even
the righteousness with relation to like nominalism and how it
like didn't exist in the ancient world, Like there was
no conception of, I think, having a name without having
the ontology of it correct. So I kind of connected
it to another phenomenon that you spoke about the Angel
of the Lord, Like what is what is called the
theory where the name Yahweh is like given to it,
but it's not like the actual ontology of it is
like a created messenger or something. So would you apply
the same center of the nominalism lack of phnomenalism in
the ancient world to say that such an interpretation is
not possible?
Speaker 6: No, I don't think the Angel Lord has anything to
do with nominalism.
Speaker 4: No. I mean, like.
Speaker 17: If someone were to say that being can be called
Yahweh without having the actual ontology of Yahweh, would it
be similar to Uh?
Speaker 6: No, I think in the ancient world they had the
idea of representatives. I mean you could say that somebody
represents the king or something like that. That didn't have
anything to do with nominalism, though.
Speaker 17: I just made that the connection in my kiss wants
to ask what you know?
Speaker 4: No, that's thank you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no problem. I mean, I understand where you're going.
I just I just wouldn't necessarily connect those things wild
will what's up? Of course, if you disagree, you do
go to the head of line.
Speaker 20: So oh am on yep.
Speaker 4: Oh hey, uh so probably not your typical question, I suppose.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 21: I'm just wondering if you had like me, I'm a
I believe in the Biblical cosmology of earths.
Speaker 4: I believe that it's a flat earth.
Speaker 2: I believe that they faked the moon landing.
Speaker 6: Be goodbye, good for you. Not on the topic extreme
what's up?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: One five dollars? Can you talk about Mormon modalism in
the Book of Mormon, et cetera. Yeah, I mean there's
you can just look up modalism in the Book of Mormon,
and and there are other documents. It's pretty well known.
I do have my Book of Mormon over there, and
I do have actually some of the Modalist passages list
of the extreme. What's up, mister Wright? What's up? By
the way, if you don't follow me on X, you
can follow me right here. Here is a link, mister right,
what's up? Unmute barely so uh, basically, can't can't hear you?
Speaker 19: Man?
Speaker 6: Are you calling me from your damn flip phone? Come on, guys,
I don't understand what the heck is going on. If
you would like to call in on almost every topic,
I'm not doing the schizo stuff today, you can call
in right there. There's the Twitter link. Extreme you want
to try again.
Speaker 18: Hear me?
Speaker 6: Mahel, what's up? I forgot that was the we're not
doing flat Earth time? Good evening, Jay, good evening.
Speaker 22: You were talking earlier about muscular rocks.
Speaker 6: Now we got vampires in the chat. What's up? Vampires?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: I have no, I'm not a vampire, little man vampire?
What's up?
Speaker 2: I am from Montenegro. I am a member of autocephalous Montenegro.
Speaker 4: And Orthodox Church.
Speaker 6: Okay, what's your question?
Speaker 22: Well, are you familiar with the autocephalous Montenegro Orthodox Church?
Speaker 6: And if not, I would like to enter moving on,
can we get just some like actual disagreements on stuff
that's relevant? I don't know anything about Montenegro. What's up? Sorry,
I'm just not taking Vlad the Impaler's call today. If
you're I'm not in the mood for Vlad. No vampires
are allowed to call in. What's up? Man, I'm yours?
Speaker 5: What's up?
Speaker 6: How are you doing good? What's on your mind?
Speaker 4: I just want to ask maybe quick questions.
Speaker 23: Just I'm in my cut kiss and I'm pretty fired,
but I'm in the Greek Church. Do you think there's
no problem in getting baptized?
Speaker 4: There no.
Speaker 6: Come home?
Speaker 23: And the second question was more, can we it's a
bit political?
Speaker 4: But is it it's okay?
Speaker 2: Is it okay?
Speaker 19: Yeah?
Speaker 23: I just want to ask about economics, what you think
is the best system from the Orthodox point of view.
Speaker 6: I don't know that there is like one ideal system.
I mean, I would probably agree with a lot of
the Austrian economics school, but I would have some criticisms
of that as well. But I mean, ultimately I'm just
a bitcoin guy, So that's the That's the only really
the solution I have to anything, But I can't tell
you what to do. Well, look at people who disagree.
By the way, you got a headline. If you disagree,
I'm not interested in talking about stupid flatter stuff. Joseph,
what's up? P Diddy? Two dollars? Is it a sin
for me to work as a bouncer at a gay nightclub?
In your case, I think no, because it's just who
you are, P Diddy, So you got to be true
to yourself. Bro, have five dollars? Have you heard of
the World Mission Society Church of God? Yes, they came
to my door. They believe in God, the Father, and
the Mother. They're scary. Yes, I would avoid that. Stay
away crazy Protestants Hammer crash More cult basically Hammer crash
More twenty dollars. Meat apples are not a dietary restriction exactly. Mclovin.
Five dollars does fill up in the Ethiopian Eunich and
Act Sate disproved solo scriptura, I mean, depending on like
how you interpret unless someone guide me, because I think
even Protestants will say, well, yeah, you're not really supposed
to be, you know, solo doing everything on your own
without the church. But they're just gonna reinterpret that to
me to say, but that doesn't mean that there's this
authoritative institutional entity. So I mean, yes, but Protestants are
just gonna like reinterpret it. Isaac, what's up? Yeah? I
only believe in fat Earth now, p h a t Earth.
By the way, you'll get your fill of the the
Sam Hi Show episode on fat Earth. What's up, Isaac?
What's up?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 6: Isaac? You want to? I mean, is Twitter not working
today or something? I don't understand what's going on underwater umbrella?
What's up? Seems like half of the people that called
today can't get in. There's no connection. What's up?
Speaker 24: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 4: I have two questions. How do you it's about? Yeah,
it's how do you? How would you?
Speaker 25: How do you feel about Trump and the situation that's
going on with him and Russia try and Ukraine and
him sending in submarines nuclear submarines around the area.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 6: I mean it's probably just like saber rattling and propaganda.
I don't think we're actually going to go to war.
In fact, I think he just there's supposed to be
an emergency meeting and it sounds like there might be
a peace deal that was breaking like an hour ago.
Speaker 4: Oh shoot, you just reminded me of something, dude.
Speaker 25: Apparently I've heard that, like apparently he's Trump and NATO
is like having like, uh, I guess a bit of
problems because he apparently it's it's it looks like they're
that he's choosing Israel over NATO, which is really strange.
And a lot of the times there's always ties with
Israel and the United States, which I always think is weird.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, what are they doing?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 25: Even he even made laws trying to protect Israel and
apparently he also made a law that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to they. I don't know
if this is true or not, but it I mean,
Yike's dude, I mean, if this many people are talking
about it. It's like.
Speaker 6: About what I mean, Yeah, we all know. We all
know Trump, uh, you know is a Zionist worships Israel.
So that's there's no news in that. But thank you
for your comment. Mitro, what's up, man, Jay?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: Hey? What's going on?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Really quick?
Speaker 26: First off, that guy called about the Montanagan Orthodox Church
that's just a totally nationalist driven church.
Speaker 4: To separate themselves from the Serbian Orthodox Church. Is that.
Speaker 6: Is that the like the CIA promoted schism there. That's
the analog to the Ukraine, totally totally.
Speaker 26: You saw all those protests where they were trying to
take the church away. Anyway, what I'm well, I guess
staying in the region, going more on the geopolitical side
of things.
Speaker 4: So just looking at you know, the whole situation is
real with.
Speaker 26: Gaza, Ukraine, with Crimea, don Bes those regions that are
primarily inhabited by you know, Palsines and one Russians and
the other. Whereas the world has taken sides of of
the opposite of what occurred.
Speaker 4: In Serbia with Kosovo.
Speaker 26: So I just want to get your understanding or maybe
you disagree, maybe don't disagree. I don't know what your
stances on it, but just want to get a kind
of an idea from you as.
Speaker 4: To what the reason was there that majority of the world.
Speaker 26: Supported separation from Coastvo whereas they're you know, being pro
Israel and pro Ukraine in these In.
Speaker 6: These instances, ask the question again, what is the support
or whatnot?
Speaker 26: So like in koso Inkosvos like ninety five percent Albanian
and Gaz. It's like, I don't even know what percent
of palacin it is compared to Jewish. So my whole
thing is like, what's the difference between the two. It
seems like that the West always, you know, goes against
interests with the Allies and you know, things of that nature. Ukraine,
for example, with Crimea Dombas, I think there's a referendum
where a majority of the population there was Russian, yet
they can't split away from Ukraine, whereas you know, Kostovo,
you know, was just granted independence essentially. So I just
want to get your get your thoughts on as to
why that's the that's the case.
Speaker 6: I still don't understand the question why what's the case?
Speaker 4: Well, well, I'm asking you. It's like, you know, why
is the world so hard stuck on.
Speaker 26: You know, not allowing Gaza to split away from Israel,
whereas everyone was so quick.
Speaker 6: To to allow cost quota.
Speaker 4: To leave Serbia not split from Israel, like the two
party solutions, the two state solution for example.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, I think most people want that.
Speaker 4: What do you mean I mean? I wouldn't say so.
Speaker 6: The world's opinion looking at the situation would say that
that's why Israel's approval is that an all time low.
So that's what I'm well, maybe like you, me and you.
Speaker 26: Know, normal folk, but I'm also thinking, like, uh, the
major players in the West, you know, France, UK, US,
who are.
Speaker 4: Strong staunch Israel supporters, who aren't looking.
Speaker 20: For that to be the case.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean you have this, like you know, control
old government class that holds these opinions. But I don't
even think those reflect the majority of of any of
these countries really.
Speaker 26: No, Like I said, I think you, you, you, me,
and all the normal folk would agree. I'm just thinking
from like a geopolitical point as to you're looking at
like cultural significance of Coasto to Serbia, looking at cultural
significant significance of Gaza to to Palestinians. It's like, you know,
what's the difference and why is it? You know, too
polar opposite decisions being made on on the case.
Speaker 6: So I was just just just a thought.
Speaker 4: I didn't know if you had a.
Speaker 6: Different I don't know, man, honestly, I don't know. I mean,
I've read a couple of books on you know, the
CIA's operations and approach to you know, Melosovich and Serbia
and Coastvo and all that, comparing it to Gaza, and
I just I don't know how to answer, no, no.
Speaker 4: Worries it do your time for one more, one more questions.
Speaker 26: So I think it was about a couple of months
ago in Croatia they held a huge nationalist concert from Thompson.
I'm not sure if you saw that, you know, across
the center it was like half a million people attended
one of the biggest concerts.
Speaker 4: In recent history.
Speaker 26: Whereas he's deemed as a war criminal. It's also yesterday
marked the anniversary of Operations Storm in.
Speaker 4: Croatia where they drove out a bunch of Serbs out
of Croatia to Bosnia to Serbia.
Speaker 26: Also from that point of view, is you know, how
is one quote unquote genocide being celebrated and it's being allowed,
whereas you know, you look at for example, again like
Gaza and the genocide of Palestines there it's being looked
down upon.
Speaker 6: So a different point of view.
Speaker 4: But you know, if you don't have like an opinion
on any.
Speaker 26: Of those things, that I totally get.
Speaker 6: It was just looking to. I mean, people in the
West are just They just go about what the media
tells them. So if the media doesn't talk about something
happening in Serbia, they don't know about it. But the
whole media will talk about Israel, so that's what they know.
I don't think it's dictated by anything other than just
what the media just deems worthy of talking about. El CALIFORNIAO,
what's up? Journey of Abundance ten dollars? Did you see
Adam Livingson's video on bitcoin about God's Money? For those
that don't know, he took a lot of inspiration from
Jay when he made the video will You Do a
collap He reached out to me and I did see
that he made this video, and he seems like a
cool guy. We chatted a little bit on Twitter DMS.
I have not watched this video yet. I watched one
of his other videos, but I did see that he
made this. I did not know that he liked some
of my content, but yeah, I appreciate that. Adam Livingstone
seems like a cool dude. What's up man, El Californio?
Speaker 4: Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2: Jerry?
Speaker 24: What's going on?
Speaker 6: Hey? What's on your mind?
Speaker 22: And I wanted to ask you, what is the Orthodox,
Roman Catholic and Rabbinical teaching on eating all food?
Speaker 2: And I say this because I live in Europe.
Speaker 22: I'm from California eating what the hello, yeah food? What's
the Orthodox and Roman Catholic and Jewish teaching on because
I know they they have a prayer where they sacrifice
it to Allah, and I know and that might be
considered idol worship.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I don't think Catholics.
I mean, I don't. I can't speak for Roman Catholics.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think they really care. I don't
think Orthodox Christians and probably Catholics don't care. I mean
what Paul says in Corinthians, what is an idol? It's nothing.
The food is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer.
So we're not superstitious, like if you know, if I
ate at a month I've eaten at a Jewish deli before,
I'm not like secretly cursed with Midichlorians or something like.
It's just just pray over the food. STU, what's up? Yeah,
I mean food does as Paul says, like, food doesn't
commend us to God, right, So God's not impressed if
you don't drink alcohol versus drinking alcohol, or if you
drink alcohol versus not drinking alcoho, or if you you
don't eat the the shrimp dedicated to isis. It's like
all you got to do is pray over your food.
It doesn't matter. Stu, what's up? I mute? Listen. If
you want shrimp that is orthodox, then you want to
eat the shrimp with project Pat right here while you
sipp and also says there.
Speaker 2: Hey, j can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Uh huh, hey, good afternoon. How are you doing?
Speaker 6: I'm good? What's on your mom?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: I got just a quick question.
Speaker 27: So I'm I'm I am orthodox. I actually just got
crismated back in March of this year, and you were.
You were a big help and helping me come to
Orthodoxy and studying it. So I just wanted to say
thank you very much for your work. I really appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Real quick.
Speaker 27: I have a Catholic buddy that I went to high
school with and we're still really good friends. And you know,
we have discussions back and forth, not really debates, more
like friendly conversations. But I remember we were talking one time,
and he was asking me questions about the the Constantinople
Moscow schism, and I was trying to do my best
to explain, you know, uh, you know, canonical.
Speaker 4: Stages of schism, how it's not really as big of
a deal as he might think.
Speaker 2: And he made a point to me, He's like, yeah, well, you.
Speaker 27: Know, I just think if you guys had a magisterium,
you know, that wouldn't really be an issue.
Speaker 4: And I just don't really know how to respond to that.
Speaker 6: I mean, they have a magisterium, and then they still
have issues, they still have schisms. So like, by the way,
this argument refutes their own position, because if the Church
of the first thousand years was Roman Catholic with a
magisterium and the East schismed, then that's an argument against
their own church. It's just such a stupid, lowbrow argument.
When they say this stuff, they didn't realize it falls
back on their own head like twenty times harder because
they're arguing against their own position. From the first thousand years,
there have been multiple there were multiple schisms of patriarch.
It's in the first thousand years. There's schisms in the
Roman Callogy church right now and is the magistarium fixing
it or healing it. It's like they just ignore reality
and history and just say, magisterium, we got this, you
don't got it, therefore we win. And they don't even
realize that. Like it's not actually even doing what you
says it you say it does. Like it's like right
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Speaker 20: Thank you?
Speaker 6: What's man? How's my life good? All right?
Speaker 4: Sweet?
Speaker 9: My layman interpretation or understanding of God is that if
people are taught about Jesus Christ and they reject him, it's.
Speaker 4: Basically like sinity, you're likely to go to Hell.
Speaker 28: Of course, nobody knows for sure who goes sells that
sufficient before I ask my questions.
Speaker 6: I don't understand what you're saying that your understanding is
that you're only accountable if you heard about Jesus and
then you if you did, then you go to Hell.
I mean it sounds like some sort of a Protestant
type of thing. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 9: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I grew with Catholic.
Speaker 6: But like like if.
Speaker 4: I imagine, you know, like an untouched island that.
Speaker 6: Never heard of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Of course, if they never accepted Jesus Christ, they could
never be held accountable. Do you do the same thing?
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean there have been different answers from Roman
Catholic theologians over the years, different positions different, I mean
the Augustinian period, You're all damned no matter what the
modern Vatican would say, everybody can be saved. Yes, so
what about it?
Speaker 4: All right? So?
Speaker 2: So about that?
Speaker 28: This one has always gotten to me, like what if
people are like too stupid to understand it, like just
generally speaking, nobody in specific, but what if people's IQ
is so low that if they taught it and they
just sort of reject it out right?
Speaker 4: It's like, I guess, uh, I don't know theological.
Speaker 6: Invalid I mean, I think salvation is not dependent upon
your IQ. Otherwise you wouldn't baptize infants, and the Orthodox
Church anth Calloy Church baptized infants. We also believe that
slowboas can be saved, so it's not an issue of IQ. Topsy.
What's up?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 4: So I just had a quick question.
Speaker 21: About Zionism and Jews or whatever and just why they
push uh a lot of anti christ beliefs and transgender
and their magical rocket water ball.
Speaker 2: The earth is flat, it's not some.
Speaker 4: It's not some picture the pictures they admitted. What is
up with the flat ears? You know that's a stupid
from an even lego.
Speaker 6: What's up? Man?
Speaker 20: Couldn't hear me?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: Hear you now?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 6: What's on your mind?
Speaker 20: Okay, I've got two things to say. I've got one
little debate, a.
Speaker 6: Little questions debate that. What's a debate?
Speaker 20: Alright, Edward, good quick, good, good topic. I'm just going
to position about it.
Speaker 6: And I just want that's what you called them to
debate the N word. Everybody's phone is and I didn't
meet this guy. He just went out like I can't.
Speaker 4: Debate the word news in the news.
Speaker 6: What's up, Caleb?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 9: You hear me?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 2: Sir?
Speaker 29: Well?
Speaker 30: I have a question between the relationship between the Orthodox
Church and Protestant Church.
Speaker 2: So a little bit of background.
Speaker 30: I guess I am the chairman of a board for
a Christian summer camp, and that I accepted the position
as the chair before I started watching you know you
and Jim Bob and Andrew Wilson debate Orthodox Christianity versus
Protestant Protestantism. But now I've made a commitment to this organization,
and if I, you know, move towards Orthodoxy, what would
it look like towards my commitment?
Speaker 4: Do I just drop it all and leave it all behind.
Speaker 6: Or Yeah, Unfortunately, our commitments to the church come first,
and you can't promote heretical groups if you're going to
be Orthodox.
Speaker 30: So yeah, So I talked to my pastor a little
bit about this, and according to him or documents do
recognize the CMA Church as being Christians.
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know what that is. But
the fact that your pastor says that really has nothing
to do with this. The Orthodox Church doesn't accept that
any of these groups can be promoted or given money
to or any of that kind of stuff if they
teach the heresies of the Reformation. So, I mean, it depends.
It also might depend upon like what capacity you're involved
in this, So you're saying a chair, like, I mean,
it really just depends on you know. I mean, if
this was, like I don't know, some kind of a
therapy camp or something like that where people are with
addictions are going, there might be a place for that.
But like if it's a place where they're teaching and
inculcating Protestant Evangelical theology, no you can't. You just you
just have to make a choice. And I'm sorry to
be you know, hardliner like that. But you can't. You
just can't. It's like when, ah, who's that evangelical dude
that became Greek Orthodox the hank handigraph and uh, you know,
Perry called him out for promoting for several years after
becoming Orthodox. You can just continue to promote all of
his evangelical Protestant stuff because it makes money. Like, you
can't do that, Like it's, yeah.
Speaker 10: I'm committed to these groups and so they're my donors
and stuff like that. So he theologically was, you know,
compromised himself in order to to be part of these
groups and get money.
Speaker 6: And then this the solution of the justification is always
a form of a humanism. Oh well, but we're all
but we all worship Jesus and we're all part of
the same church. And what's up, j R. I'm ready
to debate the N word, nostalgia.
Speaker 4: Nostalgia historians, the new world order, a new world order.
The guy who's calling in about the two state solution.
Speaker 31: If you go if you go back and read your
Brazienski and your Kissinger, the two state solution.
Speaker 4: Has always been the plant. Even even if even if me.
Speaker 31: And you or anybody on the ground might think it's
a good idea, that's always been the plan.
Speaker 4: But Brazinski back in the day, what.
Speaker 32: He used to say was, you know, the Tusti solution
is always the plan, except the American must dictate it.
Speaker 6: Well, actually, the original Rothschild plan, if you go back
to reading these old Rothschild books, which I've bought more recently,
their original statement when they were buying land in what
they call the Palestine Project, the original plan of the
British Empire was a two state situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it might, it might seem like the most logical solution,
but most people don't.
Speaker 31: Like they're looking at something like the guy called in,
he's looking at it from a good or bad perspective
or a good guy bad guy. And that's how that's
the unfortunate thing when people are looking at geopolitics, is
that the geopoliticians, you.
Speaker 11: Know, I never I do not look at things as
good or the look at things benefits, you know.
Speaker 31: That's that's how they look at it. They don't care
if it's two state solution or if that you know what,
whatever the benefit, whatever's going to benefit the new.
Speaker 4: World order, that's what they're going to go with exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 31: So so it's like trying to figure out like, oh,
if if, if this politician is for the two state solution,
but this guy isn't, which guy is the good guy?
Speaker 4: That doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 2: To do that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know it's like who would you rather
be under an Islamic caliphate or a Jewish banking elite.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 6: Those are pretty pretty close friends.
Speaker 31: So, I mean, I've been under a Jewish Jewish thinking
to leave my entire life and I'm still alive.
Speaker 6: So that's true. Like you, you might just have to
pay some usury and some interest, but you might lose
your head under the caliphate.
Speaker 4: So yes, one one one equal one one one.
Speaker 6: Thank you John my allergies for getting to me today. Reuben,
what a Ruben miro hero ten dollars? Hello, Jay, I've
been a Christian for six months. What does it mean
to be a Christian? I'm part of I'm part of
a Presbyterian church at the moment. Why is absolutely succession important? Well,
Orthodox Christianity is authentic Christianity. So you need to unfortunately
leave the Presbyterian Church even though you just joined it,
uh and become become Orthodox Jesus says, he who hears
you hears me when he's talking to the apostles. So Paul,
when he ordains Timothy, says, I gave you arge in
ephicis Timothy. Nobody else has authority in emphasis but you.
So that's episode succession in terms of authority. So why
does apodi succession matter? Well, authority matters. Uh, there is
no authority in the Protestant world. Not because they don't
have the Bible or things they have authority. They don't
have a less historical connected lineage to historical authority. And
that's why Protestantism fails, not just because of a lack
of authority, but lacking the sacraments, the uncreated grace of
the sacraments. Ruben, what's up, amute? Hey?
Speaker 4: Are you jay?
Speaker 18: I'm just gonna ask what you would recommend to either
research or read to have a better grasp of the
history of Christianity.
Speaker 6: I mean the Pelicon series, for the first three volumes
are good for the history of ideas. If you're looking
for church fathers, I would start with the Cappa Docians.
I would start with Afthenacious on the Incarnation, but probably
the first three volumes of your slav Pelicon. Okay, oh yeah,
I appreciate that, thank you. Sure, yeah, good question. Volumes
four and five of the Pelicon series are not that relevant,
Like it's just kind of kind of dumb, nitty tipsy.
By the way, we're giving precedents to people who disagree today.
So if you are in the chat, if you're in
the in the line and you disagree, raise your hand,
you go to the front of the line. I'll bring
you right up. Give me some kind of an emoji
or something to let me know that you disagree. Please
don't ask about p s A today. What's up, man,
I'm you nitty nitty? Do you want to unmute or not? Hello?
Speaker 4: Oh my bad?
Speaker 19: Uh yeah.
Speaker 4: So I got a lot of like you know, people
in my family, they're.
Speaker 32: Like old Romanian Pentecostal Christians, and like, you know, I'm
trying to talk to him about like bitcoin some of
them do, but some of them call it. And I've
been seeing this where people will see it's like the
mark of the beast, and like I'm I don't know
if I can even dispel that from them because they're.
Speaker 6: You know, uh well, I mean, there's basically nothing within
the text that talk about the mark of the Beast
that is in any way similar to what bitcoin is.
The mark of the Beast is in some way a
centralized tracking and tracing of everything that you do, and
it's being shut off by the Antichrist when you don't
worship him. Bitcoin is decentralized. It is partly anonymous, meaning
that it cannot be traced to the individuals that have
the wallet. The transactions are public, but who has what
wallet is unknown. So it's actually the stupidness idea if
the Antichrist came up with it, because it would never
be something that you could track and trace everybody's transactions from.
So that alone right there shows you that it's nothing
to do with what's in the biblical descriptions. And furthermore,
everything that supposedly is a beast ish element of what
would be you know, a critique is actually one hundred
times worse about the dollar, So if you're using the
US dollar, it's actually about one hundred times closer and
a hundred times more Antichrist than what bigqoin has.
Speaker 32: That was my argument exactly, And like I'm like banging
my head against the against Alan.
Speaker 2: I'm like, at this point, I'm ready to throwing.
Speaker 4: The towels to be like, man, just stay their minds.
Speaker 10: Yeah, tell them, actually kind of costalism is the Beast system,
like we all, oh, yeah, it's the Pentecostals that like
track everybody and and are the.
Speaker 4: Beast Okay, all right, cool, No, don't don't say that
to them, but I mean.
Speaker 32: All right, yeah, but like yeah, I was like trying
to explain to them about like the CBDCs and like
you know, like that we just put a ban on
it like this whole whatever just recently. And I was
like that actually was more of like the market the
beast that was actually tracking, just like they're doing with
the digital Euros.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and all of those people don't like Bitcoin, they
want something else.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And like I know, I've heard a lot of
people calling like about like XRP and meme coins and
ship It's like, yeah, like you want to get rich
quick maybe, but like like my my advice or like
what I've been personally doing, I'm.
Speaker 6: Not advising, well, I chance you're going to lose your
money betting on mean coins. So yeah, I don't even
think you're gonna get rich quick with meme coin. I
mean it's a huge bet.
Speaker 11: Yeah. To me, it's like if I ever got lucky
on it, I would just sell it and just put
it in bitcoin.
Speaker 4: It's like that's a guarantee.
Speaker 6: That's what everybody does. I mean, that's the the whole
point of mean coins is to get rich with the
mean coin put it in bitcoin. Yeah for sure. All right, man,
no great questions. You threw me for a loop there
because when I heard Romanian pentecostals, I wasn't expecting you
to then go to bitcoin, So that that was funny.
Bo Lensky, what's up man? We're looking for people who disagree.
You go ahead the line if you disagree that is
true that technically speaking, there is Like it's true that
k y C bitcoin could conceivably be somewhat traced. That's true.
What's upthing man?
Speaker 33: Hey, brothers, So I have a question about the west
Of take on the validity of scripture.
Speaker 4: On the west Of.
Speaker 6: Take on West West Half Yeah, west Hoff Okay, what
about him?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 33: So I wonder if you have any insight on because
I feel like it's like.
Speaker 4: I saw your take on.
Speaker 9: On on the video.
Speaker 6: What the one yesterday the day before the recent one? Okay, yeah, and.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you were trying to be charitable.
Speaker 33: But this is the thing I feel like he is
doing like a reframing of things, where like it's like
through semantics.
Speaker 4: Hm, right, that is the only team to like dodge the.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the objection is about authority. The question he's he's saying, look,
there were people who recognize the scriptures prior to the cannon.
It's like, well, nobody's nobody challenged that. But that's so
that that's a deflection exactly right.
Speaker 2: And he's also.
Speaker 4: Immediately a slow boy. So bear with me. I apologize.
Speaker 6: Sorry, I can talk, so I can tell I'm just joking.
Speaker 33: Awesome, No, but it's also like something about it doesn't
make sense to me because like the scriptures, especially the
New Testament, talks about the birth of the church.
Speaker 6: So it's like, I don't know, it's like, well, he's
just ignoring all that, you know. I mean, look, he's
a he's a you know, Protestant, is a pastor. I
don't know what he is. I mean he's a Protestant,
so he's committed to that. So there's a sunken cost,
you know, thing going into this. So but thank you
for that Brenner, what's up? Yeah, I mean people keep
asking me what about what? Like we've done two response
clips videos maybe three about west Huff. I mean, how
many times do we have to keep hammering this home?
It's what he's saying is not addressing anybody's argument. In fact,
I was looking at in his most recent YouTube Twitter
comment clip all of the comments underneath it. It's just
like all Catholics and Orthodox are just like slamming it.
So like I had to scroll for a pretty good
ways before I found one supportive Protestant comment, and it's
like almost everybody's kind of noticing, like, you're not even
answering the question about authority. Nobody's saying that there were
no scriptures prior to the decision of the canon, whether
you think that's the fourth century or the seventh century.
The question is who decides what the total final rule is?
And he never answered, Wait, have.
Speaker 10: You heard I started noticing recently, I think they're adopting
this in light of our arguments that some of the
Reformed by the Presbyterians are starting to say that they
have normanive authority.
Speaker 4: Have you heard this?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 6: Haven't?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy. Well, if that's the case.
Speaker 10: First of all, it's just so patently false because normal
authority is set against the rite of private judgment.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so they have to give up the Protestant classics? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, are they saying that? I know they don't believe this.
Speaker 10: If if you're presbyters, Actually, if you if you were
following what you thought was scripture, the final with the
you know, the the highest authority, you're saying they could
override and bind you against your conscience.
Speaker 4: Do you think any reformer would say that?
Speaker 6: Uh, even if they did, it would contradict the write
of private interpretation, freedom of conscience, and you know, the
classic the Protestant classics. If they want to give that up,
go ahead. Now you're like surrendering the Protestant fundamentals. So Isaac,
did you want to come back on see if we
can hear you now? Isaac Hayes, what's up? Dog? I'm
going to be burping, guys. I'm drinking my my wine.
Mom juice, Isaac, Isaac Hayes in the house. M dude
on that African dial up Internet? Why do you say
that that's racist? Can't hear you do? No connection? So
all the people that are on here are people that
are already in here. Where's the disagreeers, where's the debater
of this age? Spirit led Paul? Something must be up
with X or I don't know what because it's like
hardly anyone can connect their cell phone connections are crop
mister Wright, did you want to try again?
Speaker 4: Hell?
Speaker 24: Yeah, sorry for the last time. I was at work,
so I'm sorry for that. Home right now, so I
haven't taken a shower yet, so I just want to.
Speaker 6: Say that I will only talk to you if you're
in the shower. That's my uh, that's my robe. Come robe,
get in the shower, then then we'll talk.
Speaker 14: Okay.
Speaker 4: So basically.
Speaker 5: I grew up in a not a nominational Christian household.
Speaker 4: And uh uh.
Speaker 5: I used to view the UH church as a church
that was you know my My pastor used to tell
me that being in denominations, being in you know, denominations
like Baptists and.
Speaker 4: And angle Kinder, we should not be here the nominational thing.
Speaker 5: But my pastor of he passed away recently, but it's okay, yeah.
Speaker 6: So I would say, is that what's the question?
Speaker 5: I think the question is is that what is your
thoughts on Calvinism? Because I believe that Calvinism is a
great sin against the modern Reformed Church, because Calvinism teaches
us that I'm not predestined. Everybody that's not in the
that's not elect to go to Hell.
Speaker 4: So I think that it is quite disgusting.
Speaker 5: That Calvinism is being pushed in the Reform movement and.
Speaker 6: All, I appreciate your call, but I mean, the Reformed
are cal so nothing surprising that the Reformed would push Calvinism.
That is communism. But I have many videos critiquing Calvinisms.
So just put in Jay dire comic Calvinism and you'll
get those critiques. I used to be a Calvinist. Now
I see several people who've come up that we've already
had a non latinizer. Maybe you couldn't connect, I don't remember.
You want to try again. I know we got a
lot of people in the chat who disagree. I mean,
there's a thousand people over here on YouTube. I know
a lot of y'all don't agree with me. I know
y'all ready to refute me, put me in my place.
So why don't you call in? I'm super drunk already
on Saratoga wine, Mom juice right here. I don't even
know where I am. I'm stumbling over here. Give me
a call. I'd love to hear from you. I want
to hear your disagreements. I want you to disagree with me,
tell me why I'm wrong, and I want you to
put me in my place. Here's the right there. What's up?
Non Latin?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me speak?
Speaker 34: I don't disagree, just on task two questions? Okay, So
the first question is what the response do you give
me a when you ask an eathists to jify his
ethics and she appeared to an infinite three gress?
Speaker 6: Well, why would an infinite regress justify anything? That's not
a justification? I mean an infinite regress is it's like
saying that, well, I'm gonna appeal to a fallacy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean think about it.
Speaker 2: It's just passing.
Speaker 10: But you never get an problem with an infinite regress.
You never get an answer. It's like, well, that's only
an answer if this is an answer, Well is that
an answer? Oh no, you got to go to the
next answer. Like, so you never actually get a justification.
You just pass it on forever. So, in other words,
everybody knows that infinitism and infinite regresses are defeaters because
they're not justifications exact. And furthermore, here's a great reason why.
You know, there's several reasons, but here's one reason to
think of why it's not acceptable.
Speaker 4: Couldn't I just say that? Then?
Speaker 10: Can I just take the opposite position of them and
just say why? I have an infinite amount of reasons
for that?
Speaker 6: Do you see?
Speaker 10: So everybody could just appeal to infinitism and infinite regress
and obviously nobody's positions any better than anybody else's because
they're just all appealing.
Speaker 4: To the same thing. Well, there's an infinite regressive position received.
That's why it's so dumb, makes sense.
Speaker 34: It's the conversions why autonomous epistemology failures into subjectivism and
the why your revelation must be public.
Speaker 6: I mean, autonomous epistemology might not necessarily fall into subjectivism.
You might be, you know, somebody believes in some kind
of objective epistemology or objective knowledge, but your account for
it is autonomous. So the problem is that autonomous epistemology
usually ends up in some type of arbitrary attempt at justification,
kind of like saying well, fine, it's just an infinite regress, okay,
but that would be a defeater. It wouldn't be a justification.
So Benjamin, what's.
Speaker 4: Up, jay?
Speaker 2: I resent that so many young men from my church leaving. Uh.
Speaker 6: We got Paul Washer on the line.
Speaker 4: So many men are leaving. And I must admit I
do like the beards and the and the incense and
the things that you.
Speaker 10: Use, but they still don't compare to khaki pants and
a blue shirt and the King James Bible.
Speaker 6: And a Brady belt. Yes, thank you, Weeping Washer. We're
glad to have you here. Thank you. Yeah, what's that?
What's on your mind? Man?
Speaker 4: Nothing?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: I just love the Paul Washer.
Speaker 6: Depression is one of my thank you Yeah. I haven't
done that one in a while. And I'm glad to
hear from our boy Paul aim Yazid that did actually
did a really good Paul Washer. That was pretty awesome.
What's up, man? I'm kind of glad that Middle Eastern
WiFi is not working because this dude looks a little wild.
What's up, man, I'm mute, Azim, I'm mute, dude, See
what I mean. We're just today. We've got some we've
got some wild bio.
Speaker 4: David, it's hilarious.
Speaker 6: I don't yeah, I don't know what that is, mother's sisters,
daughter's wife. Okay, that's a trouble person, Ben Sibleys. We've
got a lot of a lot of a lot of jokers,
a lot of comedians on the internet today. What's up?
Man T says for ten dollars, I am Jewish, but
you're funny. I don't know if that's the joke or
if she's not joking. What's up? Man? See that it's weird.
Nobody can connect and we got a bunch of jokers, noble,
what's up? We got a lot of people in the chat,
I see what some interesting world views? What's up?
Speaker 2: What's object?
Speaker 6: What's on your mind?
Speaker 18: I just wanted to ask about I guess the debate
between could like this could be a central way people
debate and have issues with disagreements. Rather, how would you like, say,
the mystique between like the mystic between Eastern Orthodoxy and
the various religions, how they like intercept.
Speaker 4: And like coincide.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I didn't understand the question. Could you could
you rephrase it? The mystique?
Speaker 18: Yeah, like in Eastern Orthodoxy like in chat So I
have a chat GBT like knowledge basically, but it says
like you embrace the.
Speaker 4: Like the unknown a.
Speaker 35: Little bit in some ways mystery and known. I mean
not at a mogl etymologically, but within the context. So
people outside always think so in the West, mystery means.
Speaker 10: On something that you don't know. In the East it
means something that you know but you can't explain away.
So notice in the West everything to know something is abstract,
it's propositional, it's analytic, all these different things. The East
is incarnational, experiential, personal, and that's what we mean by mystical.
Speaker 4: It's like the way that I know my wife. I
know her, but I can't explain her. She's a mystery,
do you see.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the chat.
Speaker 10: GBT stuff's going to make it seem like, oh, the
Orthodox believe in stuff that you don't know.
Speaker 4: It's like, no, we actually know it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, clarity, what's up?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 6: What's on your mind?
Speaker 4: All? My MIC's all right, man, I'm in a car
right now. I just want to ask a question real quick. Man.
Speaker 29: I was watching a couple of clips today, or at
least listening to them, and I don't know if it's
just something like you don't necessarily care about I know
you did your videos with David Aarhon, but would you
ever do a formal debate with orientals man? Or you
just don't care honestly.
Speaker 6: I mean, we're doing a really detailed, multi part series,
So what's the point of the debate when people can
just watch the series?
Speaker 29: No, I'll tell you so, like my thing is like
and this is like maybe this is just like an
anecdotal experience thing, but like.
Speaker 4: And maybe it just goes over my head.
Speaker 29: But like a lot of the quotes it seems that
people use from both sides and not like like not
even speaking about just you, but from my interactions from stuff.
Speaker 4: That I've seen online. It's easy for the quotes that
people use for.
Speaker 29: Their defense, whether it be metopaitism, metia physicism, or deeophysicism,
that they could like, I could see how.
Speaker 4: They view like this.
Speaker 6: That's why the format of a debate would be worse
for that rather than doing it more like a college course.
That's why you can't rely on quotes and a debate
is just going to be an exchange of quotes and
quote minds. When that's why precisely why we would do
the entire approach of like a full college course. That's
why we're doing it this way. It's precisely because of
what he said.
Speaker 10: Realmancatholics, dude, they're going to give in and just quote mine,
be like, well, beans this and they always shy away
from the philosophical presuppositions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's exactly why we're doing it now. It's
taken a long time, and that's because Kai just got
married and he's you know, he's got things going, so
we can't do everything as fast as we might like.
But it'll eventually be you know, ten eleven part series
and David's already debated all those guys. I don't even
understand why we have to have the same debate. It's like,
when are you going to debate cosmic skeptical? It's like,
do you think cosmic skeptic is going to bring an
argument that all the other atheists haven't brought? I mean,
banana here we go, right here, banana bender five dollars?
Have you reached out to Alex O'Connor for a bit,
of course I have. He won't debate, So what do
you want me to do? Fun five dollars, Jay, I
had a dream I was hanging out with you and
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we already did that. Excuse me. Groove Monster nineteen ninety two,
ten dollars. There's another book. It's called Pilgrim Society and
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don't have a pen. I will write that down later.
Ao fifteen dollars. Did you see Fuent's reply to Tucker?
What are your thoughts? I saw like a seven minute
clip of a response. I mean, I mean, I have
a lot of thoughts. I just don't really think that
it's that relevant, because you know, I'm over here doing
my content and it's like, what about this? What do
you think about this? I mean, I think that it's
just a huge mess. I don't know. I've been watching
right wing people fight for fifteen years. So Adam Heikeel
nine three dollars, can you do a video on Mormonism?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 6: Come on, man, We've done a lot of videos and
wominess guy five dollars. No, he did that. Excuse me,
Pogo rat Tool three dollars. I like your bitcoin talk.
You should get Cyprian on for a talk. The Bitcoin
Mystery School is Good's cool.
Speaker 10: He's got a god's virtual god son of Father Trevo.
Speaker 6: Oh okay cool. Yeah, I'm not familiar with him.
Speaker 4: Well, he knows way more about bitcoin than.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he probably does.
Speaker 9: I'm not joking.
Speaker 6: I mean bitcoin is its own rabbit hole. I mean
I've just approached it as an investor for most of
the time, until you know, beginning to read more philosophically
about it more recently, am I sauced Guys, I don't
drink I'm joking. It's sparkling water.
Speaker 4: I actually use g Nancy for a bitcoin m hmm.
Speaker 6: All of your investing is based around, uh, what's there's
one for birds where you where you do divination from birds.
I forget what's called.
Speaker 4: But do you think you could actually.
Speaker 10: Like create a whole kind of fake thing like that
and actually get people to buy into it.
Speaker 6: I mean there's already there's already people who do astrological
crypto investment, So.
Speaker 4: No way that's a great grift.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you could probably do really well with that.
But like if you start one with geomancy, I have
to start one with the with birds. I forget what
bird bird divination is. But good job Jay with sam
Hide show. Very good writing, very funny and very insightful.
God bless thank you, Pogo appreciate that we've got some
some good ones about to roll out to some new
sam Hid episodes. Hed got ten dollars, Jay, you said
gold was mostly old. Gold was old. They cause it
to crash and manipulate. Is it possible they own most
of the bitcoin? I mean, we can look and see
how decentralized bitcoin is, so we don't have to wonder
did the elite invent it? I mean you could say
that some of the computer elite invented it because it
comes out of Austrian economics and it was a very
smart invention. But I think people who have these kinds
of overly conspiratorial arguments are missing that the point that
if you had massive amounts of bitcoin, there's no incentive
to dump it all. That would be completely stupid, right.
They'd be like saying, you know, if you have massive
amounts of generational wealth, Oh, I'm gonna dump it to
destroy this thing, like why would you destroy your family's Well,
it just it just doesn't make sense at a very
practical level. So people over conspiracy theorized thinking that there's
just this like omniscient you know, specter organization that can
just decide every single event in history, and there's no
incentive to dump bigcoin. But even if many whales did dump,
which they have done in the past, and to cause
some minor changes in the market, I don't think that
ten fifteen years from now, in my opinion, when bitcoin
has grown significantly, that there would be any incentive to
massively dump it. I mean, imagine you're Michael Saylor and
you own what is he five hundred thousand bitcoin and
bitcoin has gone up to I don't know, a million
dollars a coin. Why why would you dump all of
your bigcoin like it's I mean, there's not even it
just doesn't make any sense, Like what would be the
point of that? But bays grouper two dollars? Have you
ever done a Jesus Lin? Do it to Jesus Lean,
Do to Jesus Lean.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 6: I was never a fan of be Shock. Oh he's
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thirty three a d five dollars. Matt Powell is a
Baptist preacher. He made a misguided video he quote minds
the church fathers about Theosis. Why would a Baptist quote
mine about Theosis? I hope we all could invite him
to call in. I mean, you could just send him
the link and ask him to call in. Let's talk. God,
I know we did that already. Five dollars from lean
about the carnivore diet just asked, you're a spiritual father?
What three dollars? I'm apologize. I'm confused about how people act.
I just connected that to the watchers in the Nephilin.
I'm sorry. I don't have no idea what you're talking about,
how people act or can It's connected to the watchers
in the Nephelin and block me. I want to be educated.
I mean I don't. I don't know who you are, man.
I'm sorry, mister freaky five dollars. This is a freaktastic show, Jay.
I mean, now that I'm drunk on this, Sarahtoka sparkling wine,
you better it is about to get even freakier. I'm
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own only fans right here, live right here with with
Oh look at that, Damie, are you getting jealous? I'm
only fancy Faine Daniel's twenty six dollars, Jay, longtime listener,
I'm inquiring orthodoxy. I'm very rural. The church is ninety
six miles away. It's a go arch church. I'd rather
be Antiochian or Russian. They're one hundred and ninety six
miles away. What would you suggest I do? I mean
I would reach out to both and make the decision
on the basis of the people and the priest, not
the lengths away. Mirro Hero, No, we did that. T
sends ten dollars again with the Jewish star of David.
So I'm guessing she's saying she's literally Jewish. Well, what
can I say, Jamie Jewish girls like me? What can
I say? She's Jamie's not upset, funny voice enjoyer six dollars,
My friend says accents and funny voices are not funny.
I mean, your friend sounds like a stick in the mud,
because pretty much everybody throughout all times has enjoyed impersonations.
So I don't know. I've never heard of a person
who doesn't think impressions are funny. I think funny voices
enhance comedy. Who is right and who is wrong? We
are right? Your friend is a boring stick in the mud, fallacious,
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of debating, you made a video where he debated chat GPT.
This is truly a must debate opponent. I've never really
understood why anybody thought.
Speaker 4: He was like some.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's basically just a kid who has like
ten different nonsense contradictory positions between determinism and veganism and
cosmic sceptic.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Jesus.
Speaker 6: I mean I don't really like what his world makes
absolutely no sense. So you know, if you guys are
like finding him really convincing, like, I don't know, there
we go, banana bender five dollars Jay, Have you talked
about the fact that the NSA worked on the algorithm
that made bitcoin possible? So yes, I think you're talking
about the mi T paper that was published about the
E dollar. Bitcoin is not the E dollar. If that's
what you're referring to so their opposite e dollars would
be like fiat things. Bitcoin is not a infinite infinity
fiat thing, Ignacio Larios. I mean the NSA was also
working on the internet. So why are you on the
internet if every all this attack is like you know,
it's this, it's the mark of the base they get
off the internet or even on the internet. Uh, Ignacio Larios,
too dollars, I would be buying and investing in a
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Speaker 4: There we go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, cub coin is the future. That's a joke. Don't
try to sue me for investment advice. There is no
such thing, or is there. Maybe there is, Yeah, cub coin,
Jason and Tammy twenty dollars. You're drinking the best sparkling water.
I've actually changed my opinion on this. I did like
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even though food again I says it's not good for you,
but it is now my favorite because it's the most bubbly.
Speaker 4: That's so weird. I just reported Chico.
Speaker 6: Why did you say it was bad for you? Remember
you tell me that one time.
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dollars in ten to fifteen years. Smart money will take
three to five thirty year fixed loans against bitcoin. They
will then refinance every few years as bitcoin is parabolic,
and never pay it back. Yeah, exactly. I mean people
who understand this kind of already might be thinking in
this way, ignacios do a debate with dark Matter twenty five,
twenty five. Honestly, I'm kind of bored of debates. I'm
just gonna be honest with you guys, Like most debates.
Speaker 4: Are boring now, So debates are so two eighteen Like
you don't.
Speaker 6: Well, you're a professor when you see debates like I
think you mentioned this recently, Like debates are kind of
more entertainment now, you know what I mean? Yeah, what
do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think we should end it.
Speaker 10: I think we should end debates because it isn't like,
first of all, most people are not intelligent enough or
educated up to right.
Speaker 4: Or have the virtues too.
Speaker 10: Like I've seen some of our guys do debates, and
I'm like they should have made that point, like that
was a wrong.
Speaker 4: That was a wrong.
Speaker 28: Guys.
Speaker 10: Objectively, I can transcend my biases and objectively, look, most
people can't do that. And number two, like I said, uh,
most people don't even aren't even trained in philosophy or
like they have no idea what So it's all.
Speaker 4: Just root from my favorite guy and I put the
jersey on and it's all entertainment and blood sport and
it's just really dirtied. Hey, oh my gosh, dude, my
cat's drink.
Speaker 5: You hear that?
Speaker 6: Atack?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to say that, like it's now a debate.
Speaker 6: You're gonna have toxo plasma gandhia I over there with
that cat going crazy.
Speaker 4: Anyways, what if we had you remember bum fights, if.
Speaker 6: We had debate that we already do. That's what That's
what this channel is, Like, that's that's what this says
right now?
Speaker 4: What do you mean anyway? So I'm making for a
push PIP and all debates.
Speaker 6: You're going to band debates in general?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I win all debates, you see.
Speaker 6: Darius? What's up? Darius Rucker? What's up? Hooting the blowfish
in the house, Darius Rucker, what's up? I'm you man,
nobody can connect what is going on? Man? Check? Check?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Check? Though, what's up? Man? Bumb debates that sounds like
something that would be a good sam hide skit. What's up? Check?
Speaker 4: Oh? What's going on? Dire? I'm glad you let me
speak for a second.
Speaker 36: I got a lot to talk about God and stuff
like that. See this whole compartmentalization, like this.
Speaker 4: Whole day a minute.
Speaker 6: What are you talking about, bro, I'm.
Speaker 4: Talking about the God situation. That's what the title is, right,
Uh sure, go ahead.
Speaker 36: All right, outside of like the religion dichotomy, like the
envelope that we put ourselves in these brown paper bags
and all that, and use this you know, specific terminology the.
Speaker 6: Well hold on, what's the dochtomy? Bro?
Speaker 36: The problem is when I have a discussion with people,
y'all are worried about like being right.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm trying to talk about facts right now,
are you?
Speaker 6: Are you right when you talk about your facts?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 36: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I also wouldn't be talking you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean? So you're worried about being right?
Speaker 36: No, no, no, no, I'm worried about you guys understanding
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 6: Bro, let's stupid. Bro, we gotta low like you. Man,
we're like a low writer. We're like a low writer.
Speaker 4: But it's not that low, right, That's not what I'm
talking about right now either. Man, I'm talking about the
God story. You really want to have that discussion or
you want me to do? You want to just polish
your own that you're here to do?
Speaker 36: Like, do you want to have the real discussion about God?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 4: That's what I'm here to talk about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 36: I don't care about you, I don't care about any
of your religionship, I don't care.
Speaker 4: Any about that dude.
Speaker 6: You're You're I'm intimidated. I'm intimidated.
Speaker 4: So I'm finally going to destroy us and beat us argument.
Speaker 36: What I'm saying, the whole God's story is a lot
bigger than what you read. Like it goes back to
ancient Titans in Greece.
Speaker 4: Okay ology is.
Speaker 36: Yeah, it goes back to these weird stories like these
are twin brother gods that came that actually had something
to do with where the moon is where it is today.
And it sounds crazy, but like we didn't make this up.
This is not just something that some you know, fairy
tale writer putting together for a movie. Scared some This
is stuff that this came from somewhere, These stories came from.
Speaker 4: Yeah people, Well, I have a lot of argument for
the existence of God. I don't need any stories or
any of the stupid stuff.
Speaker 36: That's That's what I'm saying, though, is we went through
this whole thing millions of people for thousands of years.
They all believe that this whole stuff came from somewhere.
Speaker 4: We have literature prove bro.
Speaker 6: Where's your argument?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 36: What I'm saying is that we have literature that covers
up the real story with.
Speaker 6: This sounds super gnostic, Bro, Are you a nasty The whole.
Speaker 36: Problem is that people put it in these these these
boxes mentalization, and they make this column us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you've got an argument for this. I hear a
lot of assertions, But where's the argument.
Speaker 36: What I'm saying is what you read is probably some
fake water.
Speaker 6: That's so freaking deep, bro, But where's the argument for this?
Speaker 4: Well, you know you're not reading is where these stories are?
Speaker 6: Where's the argument?
Speaker 18: Bro?
Speaker 6: You keep asserting? What argument?
Speaker 36: Just one of my what I'm telling you is what
you're trying to do here is compartmentalized stuff.
Speaker 4: Man, that's the way.
Speaker 6: Could you say that for like the tenth time because
I didn't understand it the first nine times.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 36: Like a lot of people see through, like how much
effort you put into LARPing too?
Speaker 24: Dire?
Speaker 31: It's crazy?
Speaker 6: Like why are you calling me dire?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 6: Like, what are you doing on my first name?
Speaker 4: My first name is J and I mentioned dires? Are like, oh, yeah,
you're religious.
Speaker 6: Do you got an argument or you just got a
bunch of assertion effort? This is probably the lowest. This
is like a low low writer conversation right now, Bro,
you got about their stories? Where's the argument?
Speaker 37: I talk about something completely different?
Speaker 4: But if you want to make it about yourself, where do.
Speaker 6: We make it about me?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 6: You're the one that brought a dire with going about
your Gnostics stories.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 36: Right, So when I talk to Dyer, if you ever
let me talk, I try to talk to you about stuff.
Speaker 6: About like, let you talk. You've been You've been yapping
this whole time with a bunch of nonsense.
Speaker 4: It's okay, It's a bunch of not okay, do.
Speaker 6: You have an actual argument? You told some stories? Where's
the argument, bitch ass?
Speaker 36: And if I find you somewhere, I will slap the
ship out of you.
Speaker 4: You know that I will take you. I will take
your well, So you better bring your gun with you.
Speaker 36: Man, I will pepper spray you, and I'll take your stupid.
Speaker 6: Do you have an actual argument or you just got
a bunch of threats?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm just.
Speaker 4: Telling you I don't like you, all right. You're not
my homeboy, right, So if.
Speaker 6: You want to call me like a fake or with
where's the argument?
Speaker 4: I just know you one of the same bus as
everybody else.
Speaker 1: Dude, you could be in the Alex Chilling department.
Speaker 6: What are you talking about? This is like, dude, where's
the actual argument?
Speaker 4: Try to spin your bullshit?
Speaker 6: Religious?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 6: What are you talking about? What are you even talking about?
Speaker 4: You're stupid. You're not tolding you anybody anymore. It's what
I'm trying to tell you. So if you have the
guy debate, that's one thing.
Speaker 36: But if you want to like Puck religion versus religion
and what this means in this book compared to that book,
that's true.
Speaker 6: Do you know the difference between an argument and a
bunch of assertions?
Speaker 36: I'm talking about something that has nothing to do with you,
has nothing.
Speaker 4: To do with you, man, So.
Speaker 6: You can't even have a conversation with this person. Are
you going to make an argument or not?
Speaker 4: Are you gonna let me say? Let me finish?
Speaker 6: Okay, Finner's with what You've been? Just yapping and threatening people.
You're not making an actual argument. You sound like a schitzo.
Speaker 4: So you tell me what do you think God is?
You think it's all fake?
Speaker 6: Where is your argument that gnosticism is true? Do I
think it's all fake? What are you even talking about?
Speaker 4: Where do you think it comes from?
Speaker 14: Where you said?
Speaker 4: Somebody just made it up?
Speaker 6: You made the argument that we should be some kind
of gnostic. I want to know why I should. What's
the where's the argument for that?
Speaker 4: When did I say that?
Speaker 15: That's not what I said?
Speaker 4: I said the God's story.
Speaker 6: That's difficult.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 6: I'm going to know what you mean by that? The
God story? What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: I just told you that it comes from somewhere. These
were ancient titans?
Speaker 6: These how do you know that titans? You're talking about
the ancient Greek Titans. What are you talking about?
Speaker 7: Greek?
Speaker 6: How do you know that the Titans is a true.
Speaker 4: Story because it goes back with more than just the Titans.
Speaker 6: It goes back like what what goes back?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 6: Tex? What are you referring to?
Speaker 36: Also, ancient Egypt had god kings that lived a very
long time and they were tall.
Speaker 6: Ancient Egypt had tall Titan kings. So that makes it
true because it was in Egypt. Why is it true?
I don't know.
Speaker 11: What do you want to say?
Speaker 6: I don't know, So your answer is I don't know?
Question Church? What's up? Man?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 6: I'm gonna peturspring you.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 6: Hey, look man, I'm gonna let you peppers bring me
because I just want to chill with you.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 6: I just want a couple of tacos, a couples and
I just want to chill. Bro, don't put the peppers
bring up unless you're gonna peppers.
Speaker 4: That's all I want, Bro, tighten docles.
Speaker 6: Hey, Tan brought the first tackles out of He's a dog.
What's up?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 24: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Hello, Hey, Yeah, I got a question. Hopefully it's a
good bum argument. Uh.
Speaker 37: Regarding the Eastern Orthodox as the one true Church. I'm
trying to understand can that be established.
Speaker 4: As a universal truth claim? And if not, one end
up assuming what they're trying to prove.
Speaker 6: Uh No, it's it's universally true that the Orthodox Church
is the one church.
Speaker 37: Sure, Okay, So because I'm trying to understand that when
it comes to like the claim of like like you'll
say a lot like the if you want to have
the sacraments, or I mean, to have the sacraments, you
have to.
Speaker 5: Have the faith.
Speaker 37: So when it comes to like bishops in the Eastern
Orthodox community, like if I were to become Orthodox and
someone were to say, hey, you know which Bishop LP.
The forest gets attacked a lot. You know, he says, well,
you know, you know, well, why is he in your communion?
And to be able to consistently say to them, like
what I would I have to tell them if they
were to say, hey, I'm going to go be under
Bishop LP, I'm guaranteed the sacraments, right, would I, as
an Eastern Orthodox have to tell them, Yes, they're guaranteed
sacraments because it's in the canonical circle, and being in
the canonical circle, everybody is guaranteed sacraments. So you could
go to a universalist priest.
Speaker 4: You could go to any any doesn't so now you
shouldn't go to from the universal priests.
Speaker 10: But uh, the power of God and protecting against error,
I mean, it's no fault of the people right until
he's excommunicated outside of the grace of God covers his errors.
And it's even in the prayer of in the liturgy
because of my sins, do not do not withhold back
your grace. The priest says this in because if you
take it's it's a reduct you because if we take.
Speaker 4: That line of reasoning, you don't know any one point
in time.
Speaker 21: What quote unquote.
Speaker 10: Heretical beliefs somebody might hold in private, So that would
mean it would be a defeater for knowledge.
Speaker 4: If you take that line of reasoning, then you never know.
Speaker 10: If you're getting the sacraments, because anybody at any one
point in time could privately hold an error. So until
their excommunicator outside the body that protects that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why we're not don't race that God covers
their errors.
Speaker 6: Yes. Donatism would be the position that any error or
any sin, any mistake on the part of an individual
priest suddenly invalidates everything, and we're not donatus because there
is a synodal, public sort of status that goes along
with excommunication. Now to your specific question about, well, what
if there's this priest that I met that's a universalist,
there can be situations where, on a case by case basis,
there's a priest that is openly and persistent in their heresy,
and you should not associate and be underneath that person
if they persist in that, even if they're not immediately
removed from the church, because sometimes that can happen where
people are not removed when they should be, but usually