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Speaker 3: his website is John Eoorwork dot com and you can
Speaker 3: find him on Instagram at j O R. Author on Instagram.
Speaker 3: And he contacts me out of the blue and he says, hey, man,
Speaker 3: you know I heard you talk about the one of
Speaker 3: my publishers, you know. And he says, I wrote this
Speaker 3: book about Richard Beganwald. Okay, And I said Richard Beganwall.
Speaker 3: I met Richard Beganhall. So the book is called The
Speaker 3: Jersey Shore Thrill Killer Richard Beganwall, and it's by John Owarke.
Speaker 3: And there's gonna be a link in the Operaman Report
Speaker 3: bookstore and also on our Facebook and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. So, so, John, are you there, Okay? Still
Speaker 3: got your mute?
Speaker 1: John?
Speaker 3: Johnny you're there, Yes, John, mute this? Sorry? So tell
Speaker 3: us about yourself, John, who is General Roy?
Speaker 1: Well, thanks ed first for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I started as a new Jersey State trooper back in
Speaker 1: June of nineteen eighty five. From there, I went up
Speaker 1: patrolled the rural mountains of Sussex County. State Police up
Speaker 1: there are responsible for several counts. So that was the
Speaker 1: start of my career. A created lasted twenty six years
Speaker 1: with a number of assignments, mainly in the uniform that's
Speaker 1: what we call in the State Police, the field operations,
Speaker 1: some what we call plane clothes. It becails along the way.
Speaker 1: Ended up becoming a squad supervisor and running a squad
Speaker 1: of ten troopers for a good decade or more before
Speaker 1: moving on to headquarters, which was located down in the
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with New Jersey, put
Speaker 1: down by the Arts Center. They opened up a new
Speaker 1: State Police facility there and I was instrumental in providing
Speaker 1: the security recommendations for that facility. And it was towards
Speaker 1: the end of my career that I decided to write
Speaker 1: a book on the Jersey Troopers who died in the
Speaker 1: line of duty. So I spent a good six years
Speaker 1: researching what I had planned to be a book about
Speaker 1: the Troopers, and it turned out to be two books.
Speaker 1: To the publisher of the History Press liked the idea.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go with it, but they said it
Speaker 1: was too much for one book. So first book was
Speaker 1: titled Jersey Troopers Sacrifice at the Ultro Public Service. That
Speaker 1: came out just the last year twenty ten, the last
Speaker 1: year that I was with the organization. So it was
Speaker 1: actually a pretty good you know entry, I should say
Speaker 1: exit for me from the organization. I paid tribute to
Speaker 1: the troopers who died in the line of duty, and
Speaker 1: I retired a year later, and then the second book
Speaker 1: came out after that, And so since my retiring in
Speaker 1: February twenty eleven, I've been working as a security consulting
Speaker 1: I run. I'm directed security of a high end private
Speaker 1: country club, so I do private club security. And in
Speaker 1: addition to that, I've been writing two books. One is
Speaker 1: a true prime book and the other one is a
Speaker 1: fiction book. And the Jersey Sure Throw Killer was I
Speaker 1: guess it came out in twenty fourteen, so yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess I was doing that shortly after I left.
Speaker 3: It's been out for a while. Then, Okay, how old are.
Speaker 1: You I am? Jeez, fifty four?
Speaker 3: Me too, Yeah, I'm fifty four. I'm going to be
Speaker 3: fifty five in November, and I can't remember reading. As
Speaker 3: a matter of fact, I'll be fifty five or September.
Speaker 3: I got the month wrong's you? It's amazing how your
Speaker 3: memory starts to go. So, okay, it's really cool. Now,
Speaker 3: while you were a cop in the Jersey State Troopers there,
Speaker 3: did you have any connection with the Bigland Wall case
Speaker 3: round antime.
Speaker 1: No, I did not. I came on in eighty five
Speaker 1: and bigger wall case didn't really crack into January eighty
Speaker 1: three with the discovery of the body of Anna Ossouritz
Speaker 1: in Ocean Township. Okay, so it was it was just
Speaker 1: three years prior to me becoming a trooper.
Speaker 3: Right, So then give us an idea. Who was Richard
Speaker 3: bigan Wald and his crimes and how did this guy
Speaker 3: get started?
Speaker 1: Richard bigger Wald was a problematic individual almost from the
Speaker 1: get go. As a small child, he had displayed a
Speaker 1: lot of mental issues that at first the family kind
Speaker 1: of dismissed as just a problematic child. But as time
Speaker 1: went on, his mother sought out some medical help for him,
Speaker 1: and it was it was determined that he was a schizophrenic.
Speaker 1: And uh so he spent a lot of time in
Speaker 1: and out of mental institutions as a child. He from
Speaker 1: a I guess when he was around fire or so,
Speaker 1: he had tried to set himself on fire, and so
Speaker 1: he was starting to display some problematic signs that you
Speaker 1: see in these type of individuals that go on to
Speaker 1: become become serial killers. He had a fascination with death.
Speaker 1: He showed cruelty towards animals, and he was just a
Speaker 1: he was just a problem individual from the get go.
Speaker 1: But he was also a very bright individual. I had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to speak with his defense attorney, who Diamond,
Speaker 1: who knew him better than anyone and spent a considerable
Speaker 1: amount of time with him, and he said he was
Speaker 1: the most intelligent any of them met. So really, because.
Speaker 3: I've met no Diamond sure plenty of times, I take
Speaker 3: that as an insult. I think I'm a lot smarter
Speaker 3: than Vegan World. I can't even have to call him
Speaker 3: up on that one.
Speaker 1: Well that is that is funny. But yeah, and well,
Speaker 1: Luke Diamond got connected with Richard biegi Wold. What happened
Speaker 1: was in December of fifty a being a walled committed
Speaker 1: his first murder. It was it was a robbery, uh
Speaker 1: that didn't go wrong, as you know, don't. I don't
Speaker 1: want to give away too much of the book, but
Speaker 1: if you read the book, he actually he actually had
Speaker 1: an intent to uh to push his his fantasies to
Speaker 1: the next level and take a life, and it happened.
Speaker 1: It happened in December of fifty eight with the killing
Speaker 1: of a man called Stephen Sladowski, and Bigger Ward was
Speaker 1: sent to life in prison with the possibility parole for
Speaker 1: good if he if he you know, acted accordingly, he'd
Speaker 1: get out on a good behavior a number of years
Speaker 1: down the road. And even uh Slinowski's widow actually had
Speaker 1: pleaded for the court to have mercy on on a
Speaker 1: young BigGAN Wald. So that's sus the stage where a
Speaker 1: Bigger World is in in Trenton State for a number
Speaker 1: of years and had opportunities to speak with prison guards
Speaker 1: that actually were there with big and World while he
Speaker 1: was in prison, and in the beginning he was problematic
Speaker 1: and you know, did what he did what he had
Speaker 1: to do. He had to established himself in order to
Speaker 1: survive with and you know, the confines of a prison.
Speaker 1: But when it got to the point in time when
Speaker 1: he realized he wanted to get out and uh you know,
Speaker 1: on parole, he started to conform and act a certain way,
Speaker 1: which was he had he had foreshadowed that years prior,
Speaker 1: when his mother hadn't committed to the the Boys Club
Speaker 1: in upstate New York, where he was very problematic there
Speaker 1: and actually tried to escape from there and got a
Speaker 1: whole group of individuals to organize this, this massive escape.
Speaker 1: But once that went awry, he realized that he had
Speaker 1: to in order to get out, he had to perform,
Speaker 1: and he ended up. He ended up performing, got out.
Speaker 1: They put him a mainstream school for a few years,
Speaker 1: but he soon dropped out, and that was the segue
Speaker 1: towards his first murder. But you know, fast forward, he's
Speaker 1: in prison, he realizes it's once he's at the point
Speaker 1: where he's starting to become eligible for parole, he starts
Speaker 1: becoming a model prisoner, and then he gets released.
Speaker 3: But you started chelling that story because you're you're going
Speaker 3: to describe how he got connected to lou Diamond.
Speaker 1: Yes, so that reads up to his release. He gets released,
Speaker 1: and then about a year or two later, he picks
Speaker 1: up a hitchhiker, a young woman early twenties, fair skin,
Speaker 1: dark haired, dark eyes, which tended to be the woman
Speaker 1: that he was attracted to. Picks her up hitchhiking, and
Speaker 1: somewhere during the travel, she realizes this is not right.
Speaker 1: Something is really bad. She goes with her instincts. Unlike
Speaker 1: the other victims that you'll read about in the book,
Speaker 1: she follows the instincts and she jumps out of the
Speaker 1: car and flees. She gets away, she notifies the police.
Speaker 1: She gives a description of him. He was an individual
Speaker 1: that had read a share well you know you met
Speaker 1: him and he had these blue eyes. So she thoroughly
Speaker 1: describedes bigan World. This happened in Staten Island. The Staten
Speaker 1: Island authorities for outs catch the super figure. It's Richard Biganwald.
Speaker 1: He is on the run for a few years. He
Speaker 1: gets caught up at a at a raid in New
Speaker 1: York City and gets arrested Lou Diamond. That's how Lou
Speaker 1: Diamond comes into the picture. Year that I'm sorry, what
Speaker 1: year was that? Oh, you're testing my memory now with
Speaker 1: my narrative worth about seventy five seventy six when he
Speaker 1: when he commits this, this is not a woman and
Speaker 1: they authorities had it down as an attempted rape. Lou
Speaker 1: Diamond is sitting in his office in Staten Island one
Speaker 1: day he gets a call. Now he's very upfront, he's
Speaker 1: he gets a call. He tells me it's a call
Speaker 1: from an organized crime figure. The figure. He won't mention
Speaker 1: my name, but he says it's an organized crime figure.
Speaker 1: Asking him to represent Richard Bigenwald. He says that bigan
Speaker 1: Walled is working for him. This is this is the
Speaker 1: organized figure that's on the phone and is a good
Speaker 1: guy who doesn't throw anyone under the bus, and see
Speaker 1: what you can do for him.
Speaker 3: Now, did a Diamond I would tell you off the
Speaker 3: record who this guy was?
Speaker 1: No, he didn't.
Speaker 3: Oh really, okay, I'd love to find out.
Speaker 1: Okay, and quite frankly, if you told me in confidence,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Say an.
Speaker 1: So that's that is how he got the connection to
Speaker 1: beagon Wall. But that also will align later on in
Speaker 1: the story. As the story unfolds, how through his conversations
Speaker 1: with his client, Diamond comes to believe that bigan Wald
Speaker 1: is working with organized crime as a hit man. And
Speaker 1: although the victims that the authorities will eventually come to
Speaker 1: know that are bigger Walds, there are many more, according
Speaker 1: to the Diamond, that are out there.
Speaker 3: Very interesting.
Speaker 1: Did you find out if this we have that connection this.
Speaker 3: Organized crime figure? Do we know if he was from
Speaker 3: Staten Island or from Brooklyn? Do we know what family
Speaker 3: he was from?
Speaker 1: Again? It was well, it was from Staten Island and
Speaker 1: lu Diamond had represented a number of people, uh that
Speaker 1: were you know, with with uh, you know, criminal groups
Speaker 1: on the island. The particular group I don't recall, but
Speaker 1: even Lou Diamond has a relative and I can't think
Speaker 1: of his name right off the bat, it's in my
Speaker 1: it's in my narrative that was an organized crime figure
Speaker 1: as his godfather. Who's actually connected to the mob.
Speaker 3: Well, Stanton Eun's a very small place, especially back in
Speaker 3: the seventies and the eighties, So all your neighbors, everybody,
Speaker 3: you know, everybody knew somebody. It was such a small
Speaker 3: town back in Yeah.
Speaker 1: Believe it or not. Muth Diamond actually lived on Shart's
Speaker 1: Road and Biggerwald's mother lived at for twenty Sheriff's So
Speaker 1: they were, in essence neighbors. Never knew him until he
Speaker 1: got the call, but they were a stone throw from
Speaker 1: one another.
Speaker 3: Very interesting, that same home where they found those bodies
Speaker 3: buried in the basement.
Speaker 1: Right correct, in the basement in the backyard.
Speaker 3: In the backyard. See because when I'll tell the story
Speaker 3: now real quick, because I was at that home with
Speaker 3: Began Wald and some guys from Tennessee. They were bringing
Speaker 3: some marijuana up from Tennessee and I was there meeting
Speaker 3: with them, and we used began Wall's house and also
Speaker 3: a guy from Stanton Alley named Pete Peaches that I've
Speaker 3: talked about before. Pete Peaches Stenistrude, which was he was
Speaker 3: a driver for some of the families in Stanton Island,
Speaker 3: so he knew everybody and a big, big guy, six
Speaker 3: foot five. And in the middle of all this, I
Speaker 3: didn't know began Wold at all. And I don't remember
Speaker 3: him having red hair. I don't recall that. It's a
Speaker 3: long time ago, you know. And but he starts waving
Speaker 3: around a shotgun like a joke, you know, and he
Speaker 3: was just doing a lot of wacky stuff, well erratic behavior,
Speaker 3: you know. And as we were leaving, he did this
Speaker 3: thing out the front entrance. There was a little patio
Speaker 3: area that was walled in and there might have been
Speaker 3: a bench there, but it was a little garden type
Speaker 3: area and he waves his armors around because he was
Speaker 3: a very erratic and frantic that day, and he goes,
Speaker 3: this is where we bury the bodies, you know, as
Speaker 3: a joke. And we just kind of chuckled and we
Speaker 3: want to get out of there, you know. We just
Speaker 3: chuckled and left and then years later I found out
Speaker 3: from Tom and Pete. Yeah, this guy was a serial
Speaker 3: killer and had bodies buried at the house. But did
Speaker 3: they ever check the front? Do you know?
Speaker 1: Well, you know that's funny that you that he said
Speaker 1: that to you, because yeah, he wasn't joking. He actually
Speaker 1: probably buried out there. But the interesting thing when I
Speaker 1: asked James Fagan about this, there was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a power struggle that I talked about in the
Speaker 1: narrative between New York and New Jersey, and New York
Speaker 1: was very uncooperative. Uh So once they got the bodies,
Speaker 1: Jersey went Jersey officials went over the river. And he
Speaker 1: doesn't know James Fagan on whether they actually ever dug
Speaker 1: into the basement, he doesn't believe that they did, so
Speaker 1: from my understanding, the authorities never uh never went into
Speaker 1: the basement.
Speaker 3: Really, so then they could have dug in the front
Speaker 3: where he was mentioning, we was joking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what happened in the past is big the
Speaker 1: world is known to have buried a body in a
Speaker 1: h I think it's the point point pleasant in his appointment,
Speaker 1: and they had point in point pleasant he had buried
Speaker 1: the body temporarily uh in the basement and eventually moved
Speaker 1: that body. So he is he is known to have
Speaker 1: buried bodies in basements, but they never looked at the
Speaker 1: basement at the mother's house.
Speaker 3: The brand He's also known to move bodies too, so
Speaker 3: he could have had him there for a little while
Speaker 3: and moved them. My god, what a fascinating And now
Speaker 3: now I don't we call him being like a big, strong,
Speaker 3: tough guy either. He's was he short.
Speaker 1: Hexactly, I believe it around five five or nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't strike me as like a guy that
Speaker 3: was a particular threat or except for the shotgun, you know,
Speaker 3: but other than that, he just seemed like one of
Speaker 3: the guys because and Pete was so big and giants,
Speaker 3: such a big giant guy. He shadowed everybody. And the
Speaker 3: guys from Tennessee were kind of like my height. They
Speaker 3: were kind of like hippies, Vietnam Vet type guys, and
Speaker 3: they would all smile into when he was waving the shotguns,
Speaker 3: and no one took him serious. We immediately interpreted as
Speaker 3: a joke.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I think that kind of that
Speaker 1: also kind of made it easier for him to uh
Speaker 1: to meet and greet his victims. He wasn't He wasn't
Speaker 1: an overbearing type of man. From what I've spoken with people,
Speaker 1: he was very pleasant. He could be pleasant, and he
Speaker 1: wasn't intimidating whatsoever. So the young, you know, his young
Speaker 1: victims didn't too intimidated buy him at all. But those
Speaker 1: that doctor know him and knew that, you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't joke around. So like James Fagan joked that,
Speaker 1: you know, he got the impression that if Big Old
Speaker 1: said I'm going to kill you, he wasn't a joke.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a you know, a statement. It was
Speaker 1: a fact. He was going to kill you. And there
Speaker 1: was a couple of witnesses that had actually witnessed the execution,
Speaker 1: people that lived in his apartment in as Perry Park.
Speaker 1: They actually had witnessed the murder of William Ward out
Speaker 1: there was a struggle that took place outside and Big
Speaker 1: Wall shut the guy in the head, and they did
Speaker 1: not come forward at all because they were just in
Speaker 1: fear that they would be next.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. I could see that too, because you know,
Speaker 3: all those guys are pretty serious guys, the ones that
Speaker 3: I knew, and I'm sure he you know, all those
Speaker 3: guys on Staten Island was so serious back in those days, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and well, you know it's fine, that's you know,
Speaker 1: to go back to the bodies that you say about transition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I suspected that the two bodies that they did find,
Speaker 1: it was Maria Chillella and Deborah Osborne at the mother's
Speaker 1: house in Staten Island, that they were just buried there temporarily.
Speaker 1: They was three or four feet down. They were dismembered
Speaker 1: in bags and I believe that that was a temporary
Speaker 1: holding spin until he can move them.
Speaker 3: How did they come about to catch money these serial killings?
Speaker 1: What happened was in January of nineteen eighty three, a
Speaker 1: couple of kids were playing in a vacant lot behind
Speaker 1: Burger King and they discovered the remains of a female.
Speaker 3: On Stanton Island or in Jersey.
Speaker 1: This is in New Jersey in Ocean Township. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I believe it was on thirty five. They were playing
Speaker 1: in the lot, they discovered the body and it was
Speaker 1: reported to police and that's how the police discovered the
Speaker 1: buy and it remained there was it was it was
Speaker 1: just a skeleton by the time they got it so
Speaker 1: when it got onto the news later that night into
Speaker 1: the next day, Bigan Wolf's ex girlfriend, a woman named
Speaker 1: Teresa Smith. Now he was married, mind you too, but
Speaker 1: he had a girlfriend as well, and at one time
Speaker 1: the girlfriend and the wife were living together. But the girlfriend,
Speaker 1: Teresa Smith, had broken away from Bigan Walter, but she
Speaker 1: knew that the body found in a lot was a
Speaker 1: Big Wolf's victim. At fact, he had brought the it's
Speaker 1: home the evening of her death, and he had actually
Speaker 1: wanted Teresa to to kill in the in the garage
Speaker 1: that was that was a test, so he actually had
Speaker 1: scooped and so it's up for me Asbury Park boardwalk,
Speaker 1: which is basically she was sitting right outside of the
Speaker 1: Stone Pony and took and took her home to meet
Speaker 1: Teresa with the intent that Teresa would perform the execution
Speaker 1: because they had been speaking about doing this for quite
Speaker 1: some time. I gather, although there's no proof that Bigger
Speaker 1: World ever sexually assaulted any of his victims, I gathered
Speaker 1: the relationship that he had with Teresa had some kind
Speaker 1: of sick connection to his victims, because if you look
Speaker 1: at his victims and you look at Teresa, she was
Speaker 1: very similar. She had that look. She was an attractive
Speaker 1: woman early early in her twenties, dark hair and brown eyes,
Speaker 1: so she looked just like his victims. But that's how
Speaker 1: So she's sitting there, she sees the news and she
Speaker 1: got scared that Bigger World was going to I guess
Speaker 1: terminate her because they were now we're not together, and
Speaker 1: she was afraid that he'd come after her of knowing
Speaker 1: that she actually knew and could put Big World in
Speaker 1: connection with that body in that lot. So that's how
Speaker 1: she came forward.
Speaker 3: So she went to the cops.
Speaker 1: She went to the cops, and then.
Speaker 3: Right away they pick him up to the confess.
Speaker 1: Well. It was a strange story that I talked about
Speaker 1: in the book where Theresa had a connection through a
Speaker 1: She was dating someone who knew a local police officer.
Speaker 1: And the story that she told about Richie Bigwall was
Speaker 1: quite bizarre. He had a poisonous snake in his basement
Speaker 1: that he was extracting the venom out of the snake
Speaker 1: because they were going to poison people at the Mammouth Mall.
Speaker 1: He had a variety of guns and makeshift weapons and bombs.
Speaker 1: He said that he was strucking. So it was a
Speaker 1: story that was that was so bizarre it wasn't really believable.
Speaker 1: So she had to really convince a friend to connect
Speaker 1: her with the police officer that it was actually a
Speaker 1: true story. And they met in the monoth Maul and
Speaker 1: it took a while for her to convince thee the
Speaker 1: officer who was his name was Bobby Miller, that this
Speaker 1: is actually a legit story. So they put that together,
Speaker 1: They interviewed her, they brought in the prosecutor, and then
Speaker 1: they determined that what they were going to do is
Speaker 1: they were based on the information that she provided, that
Speaker 1: they were going to raid his department at Nesbury Park.
Speaker 1: And that's that's how he he was arrested, and that's
Speaker 1: how they come up with some information and some evidence
Speaker 1: in terms of guns, the snake, the bombs that he
Speaker 1: was constructing in the basement with with a man called
Speaker 1: Darren Fitzgerald.
Speaker 3: Hey, Darren Fitzgerald, He a lie today?
Speaker 1: Well? Why RASTA checked? He was? He was living in Florida,
Speaker 1: but I was unable to to make contact with him.
Speaker 3: Really now, so did he do any time? Did he
Speaker 3: get arrested too?
Speaker 1: He did, he did some time, Yeah, but he eventually
Speaker 1: what happened was in January. I think it was January
Speaker 1: twenty second, the body found, the body is found, let
Speaker 1: me see, I think I have the date here. The
Speaker 1: body is found January fourteenth, and the Burger King parking lot.
Speaker 1: On the twenty second they great Big A. Wald's apartment
Speaker 1: and then the case still is dry. The only thing
Speaker 1: they haven't connected with is Anna's death, and they're coupled
Speaker 1: with the witness Teresa's testimony, so they have nothing to
Speaker 1: go on if not for Derrel Fitzgerald coming forward two
Speaker 1: months later, actually a couple of months later, in April,
Speaker 1: second week of April, he comes forward saying he'll give
Speaker 1: up additional bodies, one where he helped big Wald bury
Speaker 1: the bodies for a plead deal because they were charging
Speaker 1: him with the murder of anner as well I know.
Speaker 1: And his his account was that he, oh, he did,
Speaker 1: was helped begging Wall bury the body. He had no
Speaker 1: involvement in the murder.
Speaker 3: Wow. So this guy Fitzgerald, he was working on his bombs,
Speaker 3: he was working on a snake poison deal, all this stuff.
Speaker 3: He's helping burying bodies. But they let him out of prison.
Speaker 3: He's out walking around living in Florida. Yes, Wow, do
Speaker 3: we know how many years you got?
Speaker 1: I don't. I believe. I believe I mentioned that in
Speaker 1: the book, but I'm not sure right off the handle,
Speaker 1: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: Well, give me an idea, like over ten years? You think,
Speaker 3: what was it? Something that it strike you as being
Speaker 3: in a long amount of time or short amount of time.
Speaker 1: I think he did. I think he did ten years.
Speaker 3: See, you know, I'll tell you something. The guy who
Speaker 3: was bringing the pot up from Tennessee, Tom Tom McMahon.
Speaker 3: He went to prison for possession of maria on it
Speaker 3: down in Tennessee. I think he got twenty five to
Speaker 3: life from marijuana and okay, digging up bodies, moving around
Speaker 3: with snakes and bombs and stuff like that. This guy's
Speaker 3: walking around, well, you.
Speaker 1: Know, you're right. I made a lot of arrests as
Speaker 1: a trooper, and a lot of drug arrests, and they
Speaker 1: do come down very hard, believe it or not, in
Speaker 1: Jersey with with drug defenders that I've seen get you know,
Speaker 1: considerable amount of time longer than that. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: was out within within tent. But he also helped, yeah,
Speaker 1: recover a few bodies and close a couple of cases.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Tom tried to help make a couple
Speaker 3: of cases too. I didn't think it worked out too well.
Speaker 3: Let me take a commercial break here with John O'Rourke
Speaker 3: and his website is John eourke dot com where you
Speaker 3: could find these different books. You got a book about
Speaker 3: the fallen New Jersey State Police officers dying in the
Speaker 3: in the line of duty. But the book we're talking
Speaker 3: about today is called The Jersey Shore thrill Killer. It's
Speaker 3: about Richard began Wall fascinating stuff, all this Snton Island
Speaker 3: stuff that really gets to me.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And you can find him on Instagram at j o
Speaker 3: r Author on Instagram. Uh do you post a lot
Speaker 3: of selfies there on Instagram on page John?
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't, but I feel both, you know,
Speaker 1: some pictures of me and I. I manage it, but
Speaker 1: also I have my my son helps me with it
Speaker 1: as well, because he's in the he's in the Creative Seals,
Speaker 1: so he kind of helps me along.
Speaker 3: Your son didn't follow him become a cop.
Speaker 1: You know, my son is working for Worker's Studio. He didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't follow his father's footsteps. Footsteps. Thank god, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially since you wrote those books about all those
Speaker 3: Jersey Trooper cops dying. I'm sure that's uh, that must
Speaker 3: have had some kind of effect on you, you know, uh,
Speaker 3: when you're dwelling on all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, you know it's it's funny. It did. And then
Speaker 1: towards the end of my career, my son said to me,
Speaker 1: he says, Dad, wouldn't it be funny because had a
Speaker 1: couple of close calls And he goes said, wouldn't be
Speaker 1: funny that you got killed in the line of duty?
Speaker 1: You wrote books about trip for the down line duty.
Speaker 1: And then I said, you know what, it's not for
Speaker 1: me to believe. Yea, that would be that would be ironic.
Speaker 1: So I retired.
Speaker 3: Probably would have sold a lot of books though it.
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Speaker 3: Private investigator Ed Opperman. We're here today with John O'Rourke,
Speaker 3: who is a former New Jersey State trooper retired. He
Speaker 3: wrote the book The Jersey Shore Thrill Killer Richard Beiegenwald. John,
Speaker 3: before we get into the trial, and I think that
Speaker 3: there's a lengthy appeal on this case too, if my
Speaker 3: memory serves correct, Because one of my professors when I
Speaker 3: was at the Congress Stan Allen was Eric Gansberg, and
Speaker 3: he said he worked on this casey ghost wrote everything,
Speaker 3: and Guy's breaking about everything all the time. But what
Speaker 3: caused you to be attracted to the Richard began Wall's story.
Speaker 1: We know It's an interesting connection here to why I
Speaker 1: chose Bigan Wall. I'd written two books about the Safe Police,
Speaker 1: and when I had submitted my first proposal to a publisher,
Speaker 1: I did a couple of different publishers, I publishing company
Speaker 1: in southern New Jersey, and then the History Press came along,
Speaker 1: so I ended up taking that. But the connection that
Speaker 1: I had with Plexus came to a friend. And I
Speaker 1: had spoken with a friend that you know, I never
Speaker 1: followed up at the individual. He was very nice. I
Speaker 1: probably should have said, you know, thank you, I appreciate
Speaker 1: your consideration, but and I didn't. I did nothing. There
Speaker 1: was no correspondence for about a year. So I said, hell,
Speaker 1: you know that I didn't throw write about that, And
Speaker 1: she's like, he's a great Can I just send it
Speaker 1: an email? You know, he's a publisher, sent them copy
Speaker 1: of the book, and you know, and well, mong story short,
Speaker 1: that person and I became friends. So we're having lunch
Speaker 1: one day and we're talking and I said that I
Speaker 1: wanted to write a book on history. I love the
Speaker 1: Revolutionary War, so I'm thinking about writing a book about
Speaker 1: the Revolutionary War. And he said to me, he says,
Speaker 1: you can't do that come on, And I said why.
Speaker 1: He says, he wrote two books about true crime, meaning
Speaker 1: to state police stories. You need to stay in that
Speaker 1: niche to get yourself established. You just can't change. You
Speaker 1: got yourself a publisher, You have twenty six years of
Speaker 1: experience that many true crime writers do not have. And
Speaker 1: he says, you need you need to take that momentum
Speaker 1: and move forward with it. So it took me a
Speaker 1: good year because I wasn't passionate about writing about true
Speaker 1: crime at all. Uh So when I started researching, I
Speaker 1: started doing about you know, serial killers, and every book
Speaker 1: that I looked at had Richard big Wall's name in it.
Speaker 1: Some was just a reference to others would have paragraph
Speaker 1: and others had a few pages. So now I said,
Speaker 1: let me see if anyone had ever written anything about
Speaker 1: the man, and they never did, so there was no
Speaker 1: books that were published about big and Walt. So then
Speaker 1: I said, that's a great that's a great book to
Speaker 1: write on. So that's how the Richard Biggerwald narrative came
Speaker 1: came about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't make a lot of even press back then.
Speaker 3: You know, there was press about it, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: like a big deal on the news every night on
Speaker 3: the ABC and NBC and stuff like that. The local
Speaker 3: Stand Island paper had a lot about it. Now did
Speaker 3: he confess at all or he foughted a trial?
Speaker 1: Well, this is another This is another interesting story that
Speaker 1: I found about when I did the research. What happened
Speaker 1: was when he got arrested. Now he would he would
Speaker 1: not commune, uh cooperate whatsoever, but he did not want
Speaker 1: death penalty. And the prosecutor, a man named al Laire,
Speaker 1: who was known as Hollywood Al because he always always
Speaker 1: getting himself in the paper. He would he teach his
Speaker 1: apartment what presscut the sources was doing. And he was
Speaker 1: always meeting at the press and letting them know. So
Speaker 1: that's how he got the name Hollywood Al. He pursues
Speaker 1: death penalty and Bigger Wall. According to Lue, Diamond was
Speaker 1: afraid of the death penalty. He did not want the
Speaker 1: death penalty. So, believe it or not, this man was
Speaker 1: taking liars, but he was afraid of death. So what
Speaker 1: happened was Bigger World approaches Diamond and says I will
Speaker 1: give up a number of bodies in order to take
Speaker 1: the death penalty off the table. So there's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a discrepancy here on the number of bodies.
Speaker 1: That's that's interesting. Rue Diamond, a defense attorney, claims that
Speaker 1: it was twenty five bodies that Bigger Wall was going
Speaker 1: to come forward with if they would take the death
Speaker 1: bounty off the table. James Fagan, the assistant prosecutor, remembers
Speaker 1: it being seventy five bodies. Really, yes, So you know,
Speaker 1: either way, it's a considerable amount of victims that this man,
Speaker 1: you know, was responsible for. And believe it or not,
Speaker 1: that Mom's County prosecutor turned it down that he wanted.
Speaker 1: He wanted to pursue the death county, so he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't take the plea bar pargain. So Diamond, you know,
Speaker 1: to this day, is very upset about that because he says, now,
Speaker 1: his goal wasn't to get to get Bigger Wall found
Speaker 1: not guilt. He knew the man was guilty of sin.
Speaker 1: His goal was to get the death penalty taken away
Speaker 1: and get you know, getting a life sentence on hus
Speaker 1: That was his goal. And it was a perfect opportunity
Speaker 1: to close those cases out and put some closure to families,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. It wasn't taken by the prosecutor.
Speaker 3: So how many bodies was he convicted on six or
Speaker 3: something like that?
Speaker 1: Right? He was, He was convicted of killing six, But
Speaker 1: we know that there's a few other people that he
Speaker 1: was responsible for.
Speaker 3: Amazing, No, I know what about this other guy, this
Speaker 3: guy of Fitzgerald, anybody ever talked him about these other bodies.
Speaker 1: He was only involved with the helping to bury the
Speaker 1: bodies of bigger wolves, what they call the thrill killings,
Speaker 1: the women. The one that wasn't a thrill killing was
Speaker 1: William Ward who was executed on the front yard of
Speaker 1: the Ferry Park home. That was over a drugs dispute
Speaker 1: gone bad. And as you know, because you worked a
Speaker 1: case involving a drug deal with with Deagan Wald, it
Speaker 1: went bad. Fitzgerald was it was actually in a physical
Speaker 1: confrontation with William Ward, and big Walls simply walked out
Speaker 1: the door and put it twenty two next to the
Speaker 1: guy's head and pulled the trigger.
Speaker 3: What kind of drugs? What kind of drugs was it?
Speaker 1: You know, it was actually the drugs. I don't know
Speaker 1: specific a rund of drugs, but this was a drug
Speaker 1: deal that had already been completed and the argument was
Speaker 1: over the money. The argument was over the money. How
Speaker 1: much money that they were going to have. They were
Speaker 1: going to divide up the money.
Speaker 3: Now, how did he get a hold, how did he
Speaker 3: was How was he able to retain Lou Diamond? Did
Speaker 3: he have money to retain him or was Lou Diamond
Speaker 3: appointed by the court.
Speaker 1: Lou Diamond was obtained through Big Wolf's father left him
Speaker 1: considerable amount of money over one hundred thousand dollars excuse
Speaker 1: the phone for the hand in the background, over hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. So that's how he was able to have
Speaker 1: Blue dominant in his attorney.
Speaker 3: Okay, and they got a conviction on him because of
Speaker 3: Fitzgerald came in and testified against him. That's the only
Speaker 3: thing they really had.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, they had the bodies that were produced as
Speaker 1: a result of it. So they had his testimony and
Speaker 1: then they had the bodies. They had the pirchical evidence
Speaker 1: in the house, They had the twenty two that had
Speaker 1: had the forensics came back that the bullet used in
Speaker 1: the killing of Anosolits came from the twenty two that
Speaker 1: was recovered in being the Walstu appartment.
Speaker 3: Wasn't there like a secret room too, analysts?
Speaker 1: They had a secret passageway that went from the living
Speaker 1: room down into the basement.
Speaker 3: It's like a full time, you know, just working on
Speaker 3: this for a full time. It's just blows my mind.
Speaker 1: Now, he was he was not your typical serial killer
Speaker 1: because most serial killers. His thrill killings were all that
Speaker 1: was the serial killer part of the man that he
Speaker 1: His girlfriend described it as it was him. He would
Speaker 1: he would act like a woman on PMS. He would be,
Speaker 1: you know, all miserable and he would have to go
Speaker 1: out and commit a thrill killing to feel better. That's
Speaker 1: how she described it. So the other killings were all methodical.
Speaker 1: That none that we know of, other than John Patron,
Speaker 1: who was shot when they were practiced they were shooting, uh,
Speaker 1: and he executed him. But the way that body was
Speaker 1: recovered was done in such a poor way by the
Speaker 1: prosecutor's office that they could uh proceed with that conviction.
Speaker 3: But now, and by the way too, this wasn't his
Speaker 3: first murder conviction, right, He had a murder conviction when
Speaker 3: he was a young man in Tennis, I think, right.
Speaker 1: No, he killed his first victim, Steven Shlodowski, in December
Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty eight in Bayonne.
Speaker 3: And he got out of that. How many how many
Speaker 3: years did he do on that? Seventeen seventeen years? This
Speaker 3: guy does, But yet he can come out and have
Speaker 3: all these guns, a convicted fella and carrying on these
Speaker 3: firearms galore. Did he have any minor arrests like duy
Speaker 3: s or domestic violence or possession charges, anything like that
Speaker 3: and little stuff?
Speaker 1: The only thing that he had was that incident where
Speaker 1: he was accused of picking up the eat shaker and
Speaker 1: trying to sexually astall her.
Speaker 3: Fascinating. Now, what about was it a lengthy is my
Speaker 3: memory correct? There were lengthy appeals and all this. What
Speaker 3: were they trying to rid? The death penalty? I guess
Speaker 3: to him, well, there was.
Speaker 1: He got found guilty and he was he got the
Speaker 1: death penalty, and the appeal process was all about the
Speaker 1: death penalty, which ultimately was taken away and he got
Speaker 1: less from prison.
Speaker 3: Okay, and did a whole diamond.
Speaker 1: Diamond and his team achieved the objective?
Speaker 3: Did he ever mentioned the diamond ever mention the name
Speaker 3: eric Ansburg involved in any of us?
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound familiar to me.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I sent you the link to the guy.
Speaker 3: Now that very interesting. Now, what about his time in prison.
Speaker 3: Was he up to his death?
Speaker 1: Uh? He was. He was a rower. He he established
Speaker 1: himself very early on. No, don't don't, don't. Don't forget that.
Speaker 1: He spent seventeen years in Trenton State so when he
Speaker 1: when he came back, there was still some some lifers
Speaker 1: there that knew knew the man. So he had established
Speaker 1: him self a reputation. For those individuals that didn't know
Speaker 1: who he was, he uh, you know, he would he
Speaker 1: would show them in a very brutal way who he was.
Speaker 1: He spent a lot of time in solitary confinement.
Speaker 3: Really okay, and then he died of natural causes.
Speaker 1: He eyed of cancer. He was every chain smoker and.
Speaker 3: I guess back then, you'll smoke in prison, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so yeah, I spoke with I smoked with
Speaker 1: one of the prison guards who said his cell it
Speaker 1: looked like it was it was, it looked like fog
Speaker 1: and so much cigarette smoke was in his cell.
Speaker 3: Is there anything I've forgotten to ask you that you
Speaker 3: want to add to the story.
Speaker 1: Just it's amazing how if not for his girlfriend coming forward,
Speaker 1: he would not have been he would not have been caught,
Speaker 1: even though that was probably not prudent of him to
Speaker 1: dump the body where he did. He did it at
Speaker 1: a time during the summer where the weeds were high,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't it wasn't discovered until the winter when
Speaker 1: everything had thinned out. Uh. But there was nothing, There
Speaker 1: was no evidence left that would really pin point any
Speaker 1: one to who he was. So that's what's amazing about
Speaker 1: it that he was that brilliant that he was able
Speaker 1: to kill these these victims without without anyone being able
Speaker 1: to tie any evidence back to him. And my speculation
Speaker 1: is ultimately Kitzgerald would have been would have ended up
Speaker 1: a victim. Wow.
Speaker 3: And these these these are the murders of twenty five
Speaker 3: to seventy five bodies. Now, were those murders that then
Speaker 3: he disposed of the bodies too, or were they like
Speaker 3: just hit and shoot them and drive by and stuff
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of things. Diamond says that he was
Speaker 1: told by Bigger Wall that what he would do is
Speaker 1: he would test these weapons out. They had recovered in
Speaker 1: the apartment cigarette lighters that had been converted over to
Speaker 1: twenty two caliber guns that actually worked, as one was
Speaker 1: actually shot off in the apartment by mistakes of someone
Speaker 1: trying to let a cigarette believe it or not. So,
Speaker 1: Diamond says that he would he would practice making these
Speaker 1: weapons and then what he would do is he would
Speaker 1: go into the city and he was shoot prostitutes. Really
Speaker 1: and he said he would then the other the hints
Speaker 1: that he would do, he would dump in the in
Speaker 1: the pine barrens and and off Sandy Hook.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, he Diamond was sent while
Speaker 1: bringing Wall. This is after his conviction and his time
Speaker 1: in prison. Yet for the for the serial killings, he
Speaker 1: was sent a manifest bel confessing to certain not confessing
Speaker 1: I misspoke there, talking about in vague terms about all
Speaker 1: these bodies that are missing on milk cartons, these victims.
Speaker 1: He came up with numbers the number of people that
Speaker 1: are missing. Uh, these are the that are shown on
Speaker 1: milk cortans and that are never never found. What do
Speaker 1: you think happens to him? And he alluded to some organization, uh,
Speaker 1: selling body plots overseas, killing people and sending the body
Speaker 1: plots overseas. So Diamond believes that he was involved in
Speaker 1: that in that business.
Speaker 3: Really, so he was involved in kidnapping little kids and
Speaker 3: harvesting their organs. To ship overseas.
Speaker 1: That's what Being the World had alluded to to Diamond
Speaker 1: and Diamond to this day belief that that's the case.
Speaker 3: When's the last time we talked to them?
Speaker 1: Thout a year and a half ago.
Speaker 3: Okay, very interesting. I wasn't aware of any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's an interesting story. But you know, one of
Speaker 1: the one of the frustrating plarts about my research on
Speaker 1: this says he never spoke about his killings whatsoever, and
Speaker 1: those people that knew about it weren't wrong for this earth.
Speaker 1: So that's why there's very little known about the men,
Speaker 1: and he didn't want to talk about it. There was
Speaker 1: an opportunity HBO had approached on New Diamond about doing
Speaker 1: a special on Richie Biganwall, and he didn't want to
Speaker 1: have anything to do with it. So he went to
Speaker 1: the grades with his methodology and how he killed his
Speaker 1: victims and how many victims you know he's responsible for.
Speaker 1: No one will know.
Speaker 3: Fascinating stuff, my friend. I can't thank you enough. And
Speaker 3: you're sending me a book, right all right? Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can't wait to get it. I can't. If not,
Speaker 3: I was just going to order it, Okay, don't do it.
Speaker 1: There's one in the mail.
Speaker 3: I cost you one sale. Okay, sorry, seven pm. Now
Speaker 3: you're going to be at the Long Branch Library in
Speaker 3: Long Branch, New Jersey giving a presentation on this.
Speaker 1: I am, yes, excellent.
Speaker 3: I encourage people to go out there and check that out.
Speaker 3: John eowurk dot com is the website. You can find
Speaker 3: him on Instagram. He has all these selfies on there
Speaker 3: at J O r Author and the book is called
Speaker 3: Jersey Short Thrilled Killer. Richard Beganwalt, John, thank you so much,
Speaker 3: my friend. I really appreciate this. I really appreciate you
Speaker 3: finding me and reminded me of all this stuff. It's
Speaker 3: been a real uh uh excitement, you know, and bringing
Speaker 3: back these old memories and I'll live in the old days.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, thank you. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 3: Okay, good night, good night. Okay, they got John O'Rourke
Speaker 3: the Jersey Thrill Killer. Richard Beganwald. I told you a
Speaker 3: story by how I ran into began wold. It was
Speaker 3: I wasn't worried about it because I Pete with me there.
Speaker 3: Pete was so loyal to me. Pete was at six
Speaker 3: with six and three hundred pounds and uh, he would
Speaker 3: never let anybody harm me in any possible way. So
Speaker 3: then when I saw Tom laugh and I knew there
Speaker 3: was no problem. But there was another incident we had.
Speaker 3: It might have been the same day, who knows. I
Speaker 3: think I told the story about Pete Peaches, the guy
Speaker 3: I loved. Then Pete was in and out. We just
Speaker 3: called Pete Nut because he was in and out of
Speaker 3: the South Beach Psychiatric Center. He had this ID card
Speaker 3: if he got a rest of for anything. They put
Speaker 3: him in there and let him in a couple of days.
Speaker 3: I got so many stories of the table on list.
Speaker 3: But there was another occasion where we were meeting Tom
Speaker 3: from Tennessee and his friends from Tennessee, and we Pete
Speaker 3: was driving.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Pete had this old beat up car, you know, and
Speaker 3: so you know, we had to do our little meeting
Speaker 3: there and we can come back out and we're trying
Speaker 3: to be you know, low key, we keep a low profile,
Speaker 3: you know what to noticing us. And we come out
Speaker 3: and there's Pete the Nut, running around in a circle
Speaker 3: in the parking lot of his apartment building, screaming at
Speaker 3: the top of his lungs. Because while we were upstairs.
Speaker 3: Pete had the car was overheating, so Pete undid the
Speaker 3: radiator cap and all the steam came out and burned
Speaker 3: his arm on the side of his face and his shoulder.
Speaker 3: The guy, you know, he showed me, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: we left immediately, you know, to go take him someplace
Speaker 3: and holds him down. Uh, this big wild man, but
Speaker 3: you know, and he showed me his scars later on,
Speaker 3: there's all these thirty I had to take him to
Speaker 3: the hospital. Man's This is a wacky crew, you know.
Speaker 3: And I told the story too in the past too
Speaker 3: about how I had that dynamite and the guys who
Speaker 3: brought up the dynamite were the guys from Tennessee too.
Speaker 3: They were the ones that were bringing up the dynamite
Speaker 3: from from Tennessee, which which I really saved my life
Speaker 3: one time because I was in a car with these
Speaker 3: the Brooklyn Colombo family guys who were into extortion, extorting
Speaker 3: people and stuff like that, and I took the opportunity
Speaker 3: to see if they wanted to buy any dynamite. And
Speaker 3: after that they never bothered me. It was just lunatic
Speaker 3: with the you know, I had to sell dynamite you know,
Speaker 3: up in Staten Island, in Brooklyn, it wasn't a common
Speaker 3: thing like hey, unless you were began Walld. I guess
Speaker 3: a couple of funny stories about Lou Diamond. One time
Speaker 3: we had a friend who needed an attorney. And because
Speaker 3: I was a paralegal and a private investigator, everybody knew
Speaker 3: knew all the lawyers of Staten Island. They came to
Speaker 3: me and they need an attorney. So, okay, you know,
Speaker 3: we'll send you over a Lou Diamond. Okay, he's gonna
Speaker 3: take care of you. We had our our friend call
Speaker 3: Lou Diamond, make the little introduction there. Sure you have
Speaker 3: your friend come down, I'll meet him by his case,
Speaker 3: and uh he's Blue Diamond starts yelling at the kid,
Speaker 3: telling him to get a haircut, and throws his paperwork
Speaker 3: back out of him. Says, go get a haircut and
Speaker 3: then come back. And uh, you don't remember, Blue Diamond
Speaker 3: was the best man at my lawyer's wedding and they
Speaker 3: were the best man for each other, you know. And
Speaker 3: these are powerful lawyers on standout right now today they
Speaker 3: forget it. You know, I can't only imagine what kind
Speaker 3: of stuff they can pull off. These days. But back
Speaker 3: in we have powerful lawyers. And so our friend who
Speaker 3: went to see lou Diamonds go, Yeah, you know, he
Speaker 3: cursed me out. He threw the paperwork at me. You know,
Speaker 3: he tells me to get a haircut, get out of
Speaker 3: his office. He goes, and then he comes around his
Speaker 3: desk and he's wearing a suit and a tie, you know,
Speaker 3: and a jacket and suit pants. And I look down
Speaker 3: at his feet and he's weren't he had no sock.
Speaker 3: Sonny's wearing flip flops on his feet. No explanation. We
Speaker 3: don't know what that was or why. But that's that's
Speaker 3: a true story. Okay, one more I got for it.
Speaker 3: It's not funny, but just to give you an idea
Speaker 3: of some of the wackiness and the craziness and from them.
Speaker 3: My childhood on Staten Island is I had a friend
Speaker 3: in high school named Louis la Castro, and you can
Speaker 3: look that up, and he can look up his name.
Speaker 3: And Louis married this woman and I guess she had
Speaker 3: a little bit of mental illness or something, and they
Speaker 3: had a couple of kids, and she was pregnant but
Speaker 3: wasn't showing. He didn't know she was pregnant. They get
Speaker 3: on a plane to fly to California. She gets up,
Speaker 3: she goes into the the lavatory, the bathroom on the plane,
Speaker 3: and she gives birth there on the plane, and she
Speaker 3: takes the baby, the newborn infant, and shoves the baby
Speaker 3: into the trash container on the plane to get rid
Speaker 3: of the baby or kill the baby or whatever. Goes
Speaker 3: back to a seat. Ax that come up and happens.
Speaker 3: I guess some people saw traces of it as they
Speaker 3: found the baby. Who knows what happened, but I believe
Speaker 3: the baby did die, okay. And lou Diamond was the
Speaker 3: attorney for that case from my friend Louis l Castro
Speaker 3: in that so, you know, involved in a lot of stuff,
Speaker 3: a lot of cases I worked and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: He was involved in, of course with my attorney and
Speaker 3: Erica who claimed Eric was my professor at the college,
Speaker 3: stand Allen who claimed that he did all the appellet work.
Speaker 3: He goes through all the pellet work. But who knows.
Speaker 3: He was always bragging about stuff, fascinating stuff, fascinating times.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 3: You know, you know I could go on, I could
Speaker 3: tell you this stuff for hours about this. I know
Speaker 3: people like to hear it, but I really didn't enjoy.
Speaker 3: John o'arke brought back a lot of memories from He
Speaker 3: just contacted me out of the blue, really weird. His
Speaker 3: website is John eowork dot com. You can find his
Speaker 3: book on Amazon, The Jersey Shore Thrilled Killer Richard Beganwald.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll write a book about began Wall and I'll
Speaker 3: throw in my stories about him. It wouldn't mind that
Speaker 3: I had no idea about these twenty five bodies, of
Speaker 3: these seventy five bodies, but I think that Pete would
Speaker 3: know because they all knew each other. They all knew
Speaker 3: each other well, and there was no secret. But everybody
Speaker 3: was doing Everybody was all up to kind of shenanigans
Speaker 3: and doing all kinds of stuff. So I can't imagine
Speaker 3: that some of these killings were a secret from Pete.
Speaker 3: But what are you gonna do? Life goes on. If
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Speaker 3: in five ten years to regale you with my tails
Speaker 3: of airline passenger murderers and serial killers and dynamite dealers
Speaker 3: and all kinds of fun stuff. All right, guys, thank
Speaker 3: you so much. I enjoyed doing a show for you.
Speaker 3: Oh tomorrow I'll be talking to this woman who was doctor.
Speaker 3: I think it's Michelle Steven who was placed in a
Speaker 3: cage at eight years old and abused by her mother's boyfriend,
Speaker 3: her husband stepfather for like ten years. Will that be fun?
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you Margus. Goodnight,