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Speaker 1: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
Speaker 1: for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: your host is always George Chobbs. As we record on
Speaker 1: the Saturday morning, January twenty fifth, twenty twenty five. I
Speaker 1: hope everybody is doing well and surviving the cold weather.
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Speaker 1: in the show description and without any further ado, let's
Speaker 1: bring on our guests for this week's podcast. He is John,
Speaker 1: and he's north of the border. He's a truck driver
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to the conversation. John. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the podcast. Thank you, George, and thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: And go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience if
Speaker 1: you would.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so my name is John. I lived here in
Speaker 6: southern Ontario, and I'm a trucker. As you said, I'm
Speaker 6: father to four beautiful girls and a lovely wife. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm thirty years old, and yeah, recently I have been
Speaker 6: really diving into this whole flatter thing. Yeah, so I'll
Speaker 6: start with how kind of I was raised and everything,
Speaker 6: and then kind of worked my way towards the whole
Speaker 6: flat earth thing. I'm actually a Mennonite, so yeah, I
Speaker 6: grew up in a very traditional men night home. I'm
Speaker 6: actually part of a low German community and yeah, so
Speaker 6: we were taught of God, but more of in a
Speaker 6: religious way, not to not definitely didn't have elevation. I
Speaker 6: only got the saved a couple of years ago and
Speaker 6: twenty nineteen, but me and my wife both got saved.
Speaker 6: But yeah, so growing up, I was taught religion and
Speaker 6: taught taught the Bible, and yeah, just started questioning things
Speaker 6: from very young. I remember as a kid in the
Speaker 6: public school. First couple of years I went to school,
Speaker 6: I went to public school, and and when the first
Speaker 6: the globe got introduce to me, I thought it was
Speaker 6: a joke at first, because I had so my whole
Speaker 6: thing was believing in Santa had all crashed down one
Speaker 6: day when one of the kids at school told me
Speaker 6: that that was all a hoax and wasn't true, and
Speaker 6: this that and the other, and so it started making
Speaker 6: me question everything that the adults were telling us. And
Speaker 6: so when the teachers would bring out the globe and
Speaker 6: start showing us how the globe worked and this that
Speaker 6: and the other, and the how it was spinning, and
Speaker 6: it just it didn't make sense to me. And I
Speaker 6: had always just assumed the world was flat, and now
Speaker 6: they're telling us we're living on this ball and I'm
Speaker 6: just sitting here looking at the globe, thinking all the
Speaker 6: people and like on the bottom of the globe they
Speaker 6: were standing upside down and the trees were hanging upside down.
Speaker 6: So it didn't make any sense to me. And so yeah,
Speaker 6: I really I started questioning that from pretty much day
Speaker 6: one when I seen the globe, and growing up, I
Speaker 6: never I never knew of anybody else that believed otherwise,
Speaker 6: so I never mentioned it to anybody, but it just
Speaker 6: it never made any sense to me. And then with
Speaker 6: waters and everything, like the sea levels and all that,
Speaker 6: I just I it didn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 6: But yeah, and then kind of just left it on
Speaker 6: the back burner and didn't put much attention to it.
Speaker 6: And then twenty twenty happened. We were the soul scamdemic,
Speaker 6: and yeah, I from day one. So it was actually
Speaker 6: March thirteenth of twenty twenty, our daughter was born. And
Speaker 6: while we were waiting for all that to happen in
Speaker 6: the hospital, we had the TVs on there and we
Speaker 6: never really watched TV, but I was seeing how they
Speaker 6: were just pushing this whole scare, yeah, trying to scare everybody, right,
Speaker 6: And so I was very skeptical about it. From day one.
Speaker 6: I remember saying to my what from the hospital, I said,
Speaker 6: this is gonna be something big and it's Actually even
Speaker 6: before before March, I said to my wife, had his
Speaker 6: gut feeling that there's something big coming, and I wasn't
Speaker 6: sure what it was, but I had this gut feeling
Speaker 6: that there was something big coming. Now I even told
Speaker 6: her it's gonna be worldwide. And I don't know where
Speaker 6: I got this from, but I just I felt it,
Speaker 6: and i've helt have I had had these things in
Speaker 6: the past where I feel like something's coming and sure
Speaker 6: enough like yeah. So when this whole scandemic started, I
Speaker 6: never felt for it, not once. I can't say that ever.
Speaker 6: I had an ounce of fear for COVID, for the disease,
Speaker 6: whatever you want to call it. And I went around
Speaker 6: and yeah, right away seeing how people were just falling
Speaker 6: for the hook line and singer and and it just
Speaker 6: bothered me. And from day one I stood up and
Speaker 6: and and spoke against what they were doing, and uh,
Speaker 6: and even from family just got h yeah, frowned upon.
Speaker 6: I guess I should say for what I was for
Speaker 6: my beliefs and what I was calling out like it
Speaker 6: was pretty much from day one that I called out
Speaker 6: that that it would be a way to try to
Speaker 6: get everybody vaccinated. And yeah, I had the family that
Speaker 6: would just uh basically write me off as a conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 6: and yeah, tell me I should spend the time that
Speaker 6: I was doing into research and spend the time reading
Speaker 6: the Bible instead of instead of into that nonsense. And yeah,
Speaker 6: sure enough, But it ended up being what I what
Speaker 6: I said it was, and you know, and then they
Speaker 6: got to go back on the word and that's that's
Speaker 6: always not an easy to pill the swallow, right.
Speaker 1: So no, it never is. It never is. And that
Speaker 1: goes back to my point. If I could just really
Speaker 1: quickly inject is that you know, here, we are human beings.
Speaker 1: God gave us our senses, right, we can see, we
Speaker 1: can feel, we can taste, we can touch. Yet, and
Speaker 1: the Bible warns us throughout the sixty six books in
Speaker 1: the Bible that man, you know, deceit is you know,
Speaker 1: probably Satan's greatest weapon. Right. He can't pick up a
Speaker 1: bottle of beer and put it in your hand. He
Speaker 1: can't pick you up and carry you into a strip club. However,
Speaker 1: he can deceive you, and he can persuade you, and
Speaker 1: he can tempt you. And you know, here we are
Speaker 1: someone like yourself, born a Mennonite, you go to school,
Speaker 1: you believe the earth is flat. We're not. Obviously, you
Speaker 1: don't feel we're spinning. The points you made about the
Speaker 1: people on the bottom of the globe, they're standing upside down.
Speaker 1: The gravity is so strong, so why aren't the branches
Speaker 1: from that tree being pulled down? Yet we are told,
Speaker 1: and we are manipulated to believe that we are on
Speaker 1: this ball. Never proven that water can stick to a ball.
Speaker 1: Water always needs a container, water needs its level. Yet
Speaker 1: we are programmed to believe it. And if you dare
Speaker 1: think otherwise, you're crazy.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And a couple of years ago, I at twenty twenty two,
Speaker 6: I remember going down that rap trail, like why would
Speaker 6: they want to convince us of a of a globe?
Speaker 6: And and I think you're right there, like it's they
Speaker 6: want us to go one hundred percent against our senses,
Speaker 6: Like if they can, if they can do that, well
Speaker 6: they can they can program us to believe anything, because
Speaker 6: we start belittling ourselves and oh we don't, we don't
Speaker 6: have the knowledge it takes a figure.
Speaker 7: Out of it.
Speaker 6: So well, let's just believe everything that they push on us.
Speaker 1: And that is john the very first step towards giving
Speaker 1: your mind to the quote unquote ruling elite. If you
Speaker 1: will right, you will allow them to control your emotions
Speaker 1: and what you think and what you believe. And that
Speaker 1: is a dangerous slope because we know this. Sure, some
Speaker 1: of these things, like COVID was about money and about power,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, this is very
Speaker 1: much a spiritual battle.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 6: I guess we're the We're not fighting the elites, you're
Speaker 6: fighting the double like the devil is the one that's controlling.
Speaker 1: The elite precisely. You know, people say who's at the
Speaker 1: top of the food chain, is that the Jesuits, the
Speaker 1: Freemates and Illuminati, It is Satan and they all vie
Speaker 1: you're positioning with him. Absolutely.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: Great point.
Speaker 6: And if you if you think about it, like anybody
Speaker 6: that I was amazed when I started listening to your podcast,
Speaker 6: how many people come on and say that they weren't
Speaker 6: Christians when they started looking into this flatter thing, and
Speaker 6: how you know, when they studied creation and how the
Speaker 6: world is actually created, like it led them to the Creator.
Speaker 6: And I believe that's why they are pushing this whole
Speaker 6: globe theory. They don't want people to know that. They
Speaker 6: don't want people to come to the conclusion that there
Speaker 6: is a creator.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent that that is the endgame. And there
Speaker 1: there are specific dates throughout history that that are really
Speaker 1: stand out. Obviously the sixteenth century with Copernicus and Martin Luther,
Speaker 1: THECS breaking away from Catholicism, and then that also shortly
Speaker 1: after that we talk about Francis Baking, who did the
Speaker 1: writings of William Shakespeare, who was very much into the
Speaker 1: Scientific Reformation, and he had a lot of influence over
Speaker 1: King James himself. That that's why a lot of people
Speaker 1: who listen question the fact, was it really a good
Speaker 1: idea to pull the other fourteen books the apocrypha out
Speaker 1: of the Bible because of that that timeline there, especially
Speaker 1: the Book of Enoch, which really if you sit down,
Speaker 1: and again this is just I'm just making a point here,
Speaker 1: is that if you do read the Book of Enoch,
Speaker 1: it does lend to a lot of the things we
Speaker 1: talk about on this program.
Speaker 6: YEP.
Speaker 1: And within the Mennonite community, we have a lot of
Speaker 1: Amish here and over in Mennonites as well. The Agricultural Store,
Speaker 1: a lot of Mennonites work there. And for those who
Speaker 1: don't know, the biggest difference Amish, very true, not really electricity.
Speaker 1: They don't drive vehicles Mennonits. You guys can drive vehicles, electricity,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But still very basic. You guys don't gather
Speaker 1: around the television every night, et cetera. If you want.
Speaker 1: For those who may not be familiar with being a Mennonite,
Speaker 1: what was it like for you growing up?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so for me, it was a go to church
Speaker 6: on Sunday and don't talk about the Bible at home. Well,
Speaker 6: I guess at home would be wouldn't be frowned upon,
Speaker 6: but like in friend groups, like, yeah, you didn't talk
Speaker 6: about the Bible, you didn't talk about Christ, you didn't
Speaker 6: talk about any of that. And and yeah, basically an
Speaker 6: hour of church on Sunday and race race the church
Speaker 6: and to get your spot and uh and race back
Speaker 6: home and forget exactly everything that the that the preacher
Speaker 6: had been sharing. And yeah, sometimes I remember if my
Speaker 6: parents didn't go to church and and and we still
Speaker 6: went and after church they would ask, you know, what
Speaker 6: was the message about. And I remember sometimes listening for
Speaker 6: a couple of seconds just to try to see what
Speaker 6: the story was about. And then then at home I
Speaker 6: had you know, a one line day give them what
Speaker 6: the message was about. And but yeah, just very much workspace. Yeah,
Speaker 6: religion that I grew up and grew up in, and
Speaker 6: so yeah, for us, there was a Yeah, the women
Speaker 6: had to wear their modest dresses and the head covering
Speaker 6: is a very big thing that they pushed too. Yeah,
Speaker 6: to the whole. So we left the church that we
Speaker 6: grew up in twenty nineteen when we got saved, and
Speaker 6: boyful both attended a conference. I went to a men's
Speaker 6: conference and she went to a women's conference, and that's
Speaker 6: where God opened our eyes. But yeah, that was a
Speaker 6: big deal for in my family at the time that
Speaker 6: left the church. But it was just rules upon rules
Speaker 6: that the mind of Nite culture I guess that that
Speaker 6: I grew up grew up in, and it was you know, basically,
Speaker 6: you're saved by by following these rules. Well, it wasn't
Speaker 6: even an assurance of being a salvation. It was hopefully
Speaker 6: God has enough mercy on us if we follow all
Speaker 6: these rules. And so yeah, that's kind of the system
Speaker 6: that I grew up in. And then yeah, being set
Speaker 6: free from that religious bondage and and yeah, just the
Speaker 6: freedom in Christ that we experienced, it was it was amazing.
Speaker 6: And yeah, now it was. It's kind of funny how
Speaker 6: after we left the church then for but four and
Speaker 6: a half years, none of my other siblings were born again,
Speaker 6: and now they're pretty much all born again.
Speaker 1: And wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a very hard time during the beginning
Speaker 6: that me and my wife went through because now we
Speaker 6: had them persecuting us, my fam, my parents and and
Speaker 6: my uh my siblings, and you know, even having my
Speaker 6: father as far as him going and telling me that,
Speaker 6: you know, I was going to hell and my my
Speaker 6: wife was following me, and then I was supposed to
Speaker 6: think about our children. And it was a very very
Speaker 6: tough time. And I often often cried out to God,
Speaker 6: like if I am in the wrong here, if I
Speaker 6: am going against you will show me. But every time
Speaker 6: I cried out for peace, God gave me peace. And
Speaker 6: that was just my assurance that what we were doing,
Speaker 6: we had this new found the joy we had found
Speaker 6: it was it was real and uh, yeah, and now
Speaker 6: you know, it's been five just over five years, and
Speaker 6: you know, most of my family has been out born again.
Speaker 6: They're true believers now and it's just amazing the difference.
Speaker 6: And my parents they still attend the church that they
Speaker 6: grew up in, but they're trying to make a difference
Speaker 6: there now too. And but most of my siblings we've
Speaker 6: moved on to churches that actually preach the Gospel and
Speaker 6: preach freedom. And yeah, so the the I guess the
Speaker 6: childhood that I had, or the culture that grew up
Speaker 6: in is very very workspace and very yeah traditional.
Speaker 1: Very interesting in your journeys because obviously you you were
Speaker 1: a critical thinker from a very young age. Were there
Speaker 1: other events you said? I think you said you're thirty,
Speaker 1: so that would you? I mean you were only like
Speaker 1: five or six years old when nine to eleven happened.
Speaker 1: So really, I guess for you, what was COVID really
Speaker 1: the first quote unquote rabbit hole that you came upon?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's actually is this whole line eleven thing?
Speaker 6: That was my first conspiracy that I ran a rabbit
Speaker 6: trail that I guess I went down. I was this
Speaker 6: is twenty seventeen. I was delivering a load in Michigan,
Speaker 6: and on my way there there was this on on
Speaker 6: a I think it was a stop sign or somewhere.
Speaker 6: Someone put a sticker on there. Nine to eleven was
Speaker 6: an inside job, and them like, you know what, I like,
Speaker 6: I could believe that. And then I started to going
Speaker 6: down that rabbit trail, and back then, you know, you'd
Speaker 6: search stuff on the internet. It wasn't as much as
Speaker 6: censored as much yet, and I found a whole bunch
Speaker 6: of stuff on it, and yeah, it was. I was convinced. Well,
Speaker 6: after like you know, a couple of days of looking
Speaker 6: into it, I was convinced that I was an inside job.
Speaker 6: And and then yeah, that was my That was I
Speaker 6: think the first thing then, you know, I think about
Speaker 6: but that too, like building seven. Like if you ask,
Speaker 6: I guarantee you ninety percent of the people out there
Speaker 6: they didn't have no idea about Building seven.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I've mentioned several times, if you stood outside of a Walmart,
Speaker 1: your local Walmart, and asked one hundred people how many
Speaker 1: buildings fell in New York City on September eleventh, maybe
Speaker 1: five would say three. And that's probably being generous.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you're you're right. I've brought it up
Speaker 6: to I don't know how many people, and not one
Speaker 6: person has said that yet, Like, it's just crazy. How
Speaker 6: many people don't know that.
Speaker 1: And for those who maybe have never been down that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole before, you know, new to the truth. Just
Speaker 1: look at architects and engineers for nine to eleven truth,
Speaker 1: thousands upon thousands of you know, highly respected engineers have
Speaker 1: come out and spoken on this. It's not just some
Speaker 1: you know, crazy conspiracy theory. Go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 6: Sorry, yeah, exactly, it's I don't know, just the censorship
Speaker 6: therein Yeah. If that doesn't make you questions, then I'm
Speaker 6: not sure what will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And people say why would they do that? There's
Speaker 1: a hundred reasons. You know, Larry Silverstein got that contract
Speaker 1: for pennies on the dollar, got four billion dollars of insurance,
Speaker 1: He made billions of dollars right The New Jersey Port
Speaker 1: Authority was more than happy to get rid of that.
Speaker 1: And obviously that you know, the warmongers that the military
Speaker 1: industrial complex wanted boots on the ground in Afghanistan, you know,
Speaker 1: they they just emboldened the heroin industry. We had guys
Speaker 1: guarding poppy seeds, and that's a whole other rabbit hole
Speaker 1: with Pat Tillman. But the oil from Iraq and General
Speaker 1: Wesley Clark's seven Countries in five Years speech that is
Speaker 1: still on YouTube, and the September tenth two point three
Speaker 1: trillion dollars missing. It was a big story for about
Speaker 1: twelve hours and then it was all forgotten.
Speaker 6: Yeah, how can that much money? And even back in
Speaker 6: you know, two thousand and one, like that money was
Speaker 6: worth way more than it is today. But like, you know,
Speaker 6: that amount of money going missing, and it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 6: how can that all just get swept on or the rug? Yeah,
Speaker 6: they cover up.
Speaker 1: But if you don't report your six hundred dollars eBay sale,
Speaker 1: they're coming after you. It's just live and people just
Speaker 1: accept this, and you know what, it all goes back
Speaker 1: full circle to the very first lie. I always say.
Speaker 1: You know, as a child, you're told two lies. Immediately
Speaker 1: that number one, a jolly old guy in a red
Speaker 1: suit delivers gifts around the you know, eight billion gifts
Speaker 1: in twenty four hours. And you know the globe which
Speaker 1: is in every classroom, which how many people when they
Speaker 1: have a child either hang like a little planetary system,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Above the crib or they
Speaker 1: have they shoot the lights on the ceiling. It is
Speaker 1: so there, and people, we are just psychologically manipulated at
Speaker 1: levels people don't understand.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, my daughter. So we have our kids in
Speaker 6: our private school here, our church has its own private school,
Speaker 6: and and so we in my daughter's class. She's I
Speaker 6: think she's seven, I'm not sure exactly what great she is,
Speaker 6: probably two. But we had a parent teacher meeting and
Speaker 6: we were all able to go look in the classrooms
Speaker 6: and her classroom is just decked out with these planets
Speaker 6: and this that and the other, and the globe and
Speaker 6: all this that and the other, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 6: we were just setting these kids up for failure. Absolutely,
Speaker 6: And it was honestly the whole thing with this like
Speaker 6: a flatter that's kind of what is pushing us to
Speaker 6: take our like we're next year we're going to homeschooling.
Speaker 6: And that's what it pushed us over the edge. Well
Speaker 6: for a long time already we wanted to do this,
Speaker 6: and I said to my wife, we can't just keep
Speaker 6: having them in this system that's you know, teaching one
Speaker 6: hundred percent opposite of what we believe as far as
Speaker 6: the Earth goes in that.
Speaker 1: Exactly. At some point we you know, having a podcast
Speaker 1: and being able to talk about it amongst our community
Speaker 1: is a win. Right, people stumble upon the podcast listen,
Speaker 1: that's a win. But I think at some point we
Speaker 1: need to take the next step, and that is I
Speaker 1: think the most important next step is to get our
Speaker 1: quote unquote religious leaders, right, our local pastors, to sit
Speaker 1: down and have a truthful conversation with bullet points from
Speaker 1: the Bible.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: I think depending on who you're talking about. The last
Speaker 1: interview I had, gentlemen said, if I'm talking to an atheist,
Speaker 1: I can't give him bullet points from the Bible because
Speaker 1: he's going to ignore it. However, if you're talking to
Speaker 1: a person of faith, I think, A, you should cite
Speaker 1: all the verses from the Bible, and then b we
Speaker 1: have so many supple you know, so much supplementary exhibits
Speaker 1: to prove to people, whether it's we can see too far,
Speaker 1: water needs a container. But most importantly, people need to
Speaker 1: understand all the verses in the Bible. Joshua ten thirteen,
Speaker 1: How the sun and the moon stood still? Yeah, Genesis
Speaker 1: one one to two one, and then it was finished
Speaker 1: and the speeds and and we're spinning and moving. Yet
Speaker 1: every single night, going back to the Georgia guidestones, you
Speaker 1: could peak through that little hole and the North Star
Speaker 1: was always there. At some point, we have to understand
Speaker 1: that we are being lied to, and on top of
Speaker 1: being lied to, John, we're being we're having our money
Speaker 1: stolen on a daily basis from the federal government that
Speaker 1: you know, giving it to SpaceX and NASA, et cetera.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the seven billion dollars a day, you know, that's
Speaker 6: another one of those things to ask, you know, at
Speaker 6: one hundred people, how much how much is getting and
Speaker 6: NASA get in a day? I would doubt there would
Speaker 6: be you know, more than one or two people that
Speaker 6: would know that. Like the amount of money that they
Speaker 6: get is it's crazy. I think I said billion, but
Speaker 6: I meant say million.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's seventy million a day. I think they get Yeah, seventy.
Speaker 6: Million, that's right, So seventy million dollars a day. And
Speaker 6: then people will be like, you know, how these guys
Speaker 6: in the International Space Station you will be away for
Speaker 6: six months. If it was it was all just a
Speaker 6: cover up, I would think, well, you know, if I
Speaker 6: was even getting a million dollars that would be pretty tempting.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And these people also know what would happen if
Speaker 1: they tried to spill the beans. And the other thing
Speaker 1: is and people need to know that the media is
Speaker 1: one completely controlled, So even if somebody tries to be
Speaker 1: a whistleblower, their voice wouldn't be amplified. Yep, yep, they
Speaker 1: controlled the algorithms, yes, all of that. So who are
Speaker 1: they going to tell.
Speaker 6: Exactly? But yeah, going back to, uh, how I came
Speaker 6: across the or Yeah, the whole flatter thing. Say, I
Speaker 6: started dating after that, the whole COVID thing and coming
Speaker 6: out about, yeah, the whole that they're pushing the vaccines
Speaker 6: and all that. Then it was in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 6: so I was part of the freedom convoy that went
Speaker 6: to autaw uh and we did the protests. And this
Speaker 6: was when I still believed in the whole left right,
Speaker 6: left wing, right wing thing. And so yeah, we were
Speaker 6: protesting up there, and I kept seeing it over and
Speaker 6: over how the news was calling us, you know, conspiracy
Speaker 6: theorists and uh, and then there all of a sudden
Speaker 6: they started calling us are there, yeah, saying we were
Speaker 6: the flat earthers and I'm like, why, what the world
Speaker 6: does flatters have to do with these anti vaxers, And
Speaker 6: I just didn't understand why they would call us, Uh yeah,
Speaker 6: group us in the same category. And uh then I'm thinking, here, okay, well,
Speaker 6: I know for a fact that this whole vaccine mandate
Speaker 6: was was all hoax and it was all just to
Speaker 6: get people jobbed, and you know, the vaccine wasn't actually
Speaker 6: doing what they were saying it was doing. And and
Speaker 6: so if I know this, then you know there there
Speaker 6: must be something about the flat earth that is righting
Speaker 6: to them too. And that's when I decided to go
Speaker 6: down that hole.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: I was actually a little bit before that that I
Speaker 6: had started noticing that there was actually other flatterers out there,
Speaker 6: and uh yeah, people have believed in the in the flatters,
Speaker 6: and so yeah, after this thing happened in Ottawa, I
Speaker 6: started believing that there was there was it was just
Speaker 6: a couple of us. It was had to be a
Speaker 6: bigger group. And so I started going down this whole
Speaker 6: h rabbit trail was I guess looking into the the flatters.
Speaker 6: And it was not very long after looking into it
Speaker 6: I was like, well, now I know enough already that
Speaker 6: I can never go back to even considering the globe,
Speaker 6: Like the globe is just not even the thing. I
Speaker 6: I never really fell for it to begin with. But
Speaker 6: and now it's just like, yeah, I am, I'm past
Speaker 6: that point where I believe any of that. And then
Speaker 6: I came, h, you know, there's rivers that flow from
Speaker 6: south north, Like, how does that make any sense on
Speaker 6: a globe?
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the southern hemisphere at that so it's literally
Speaker 1: flowing uphill.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, water flowing uphill. But and then you know,
Speaker 6: the whole thing that's keeping their theory together is gravity.
Speaker 6: And then that was one of the early things that
Speaker 6: I that I learned too, that gravity is just a myth.
Speaker 6: It's never been proven, it's just a theory. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 6: that just it blew me away that the the in
Speaker 6: my eyes, the strongest thing holding their case together, is
Speaker 6: just a myth.
Speaker 1: And but with with they understand how psychology works, and
Speaker 1: they've known for a long long time. And the old
Speaker 1: you know line is if you tell a big enough lie,
Speaker 1: people will believe it. And I still do this day.
Speaker 1: I think about how people will have a conversation you
Speaker 1: know that you know, we're on a ball and the
Speaker 1: International Space Station, the moon landing and little Green Men
Speaker 1: f you know, from Mars. But if you say something
Speaker 1: thing that is completely based on common sense, that you know,
Speaker 1: we Antarctica is the bathtub. You know we have the
Speaker 1: water and you know we can prove it via the
Speaker 1: wonderful book sixteen Emergency Landings that the prove flat earth
Speaker 1: water always find, you know, just and you know, again,
Speaker 1: ask a normal person how far away the sun is?
Speaker 1: Like everything else we've talked about today, maybe five will
Speaker 1: be close to the ninety three million. And most people
Speaker 1: know about how fast we're spending because of the twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. And again that is what Tesla warned us
Speaker 1: about is science was turning into math and it was
Speaker 1: just you know, backwards engineering the math to get to
Speaker 1: the answer that they want. And to this day, like yourself,
Speaker 1: it is just laughable. And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: us at some point in our lives, whether it was
Speaker 1: in class or for me it was one of our
Speaker 1: teacher was spinning the bucket saying, look this, you know
Speaker 1: this is gravity. I'm like, that's some trifical force. It's
Speaker 1: if that was really gravity. Turned the bucket outside in
Speaker 1: and let's see that bucket, hold the water. And and
Speaker 1: again you try to have a sane conversation with somebody,
Speaker 1: even somebody you may have known all your life. They're
Speaker 1: going to think, man, did John slip and hit his head?
Speaker 1: That's really what.
Speaker 6: You're going to get. Well, I was just having conversation
Speaker 6: yesterday with some guys that we had a thing at church,
Speaker 6: and just having a conversation with the guys there is
Speaker 6: we had we were splitting up into groups. We have
Speaker 6: this thing going on now called Freedom Session, and after
Speaker 6: the whole video session, will we break up into groups.
Speaker 6: And so I was a little bit late to my
Speaker 6: group and I was telling the guys there I was
Speaker 6: got caught up there. I got another guy converted to
Speaker 6: flat earth and they're all laughing about it. And I've
Speaker 6: been mentioning this lately in our group, and one of
Speaker 6: the guys is like, like, this is not a joke.
Speaker 6: You're actually think it's real. And you know, they they
Speaker 6: thought it was funny that I actually believed it. And
Speaker 6: that's a lot of people now like they think it's
Speaker 6: that you know, you're just this somebody hit you the
Speaker 6: wrong way over your head, or you just fall somewhere
Speaker 6: and you're just not quite there anymore. And yeah, you
Speaker 6: get laughed at you. And then on the other hand,
Speaker 6: those sometimes you bring it up and people just get
Speaker 6: the offensive and start arguing and like it's yeah, it's
Speaker 6: like you just rip their world.
Speaker 1: You know. I was at a church a year ago,
Speaker 1: maybe two years at this point, I'm not very good
Speaker 1: with keeping time anymore. But we were out it was
Speaker 1: post church, having a meal, and you know, I had
Speaker 1: mentioned within the group that, you know, I was very
Speaker 1: disappointed that schools. You know, we send our children to
Speaker 1: Sunday school and church on Sundays and then Monday they
Speaker 1: go back into the indoctrination center for five days a
Speaker 1: week where they're taught the Big Bang theory and evolution.
Speaker 1: And one of the women there got very, very defensive,
Speaker 1: and she put down her plate, said the Big Bang
Speaker 1: is how we were created. God is all encompassing, and
Speaker 1: he put the Big Bang in motion and I'm like,
Speaker 1: well that you have a different version of Genesis than
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 6: A lot of people do when it comes to the
Speaker 6: firm and all that they're not reading it.
Speaker 1: No, and that's why we have so many tools available
Speaker 1: with the internet. Now, you know, Strong's concordance is at
Speaker 1: your fingertips right on your phone. And if there's that's
Speaker 1: what you know. What one takeaway from me coming into
Speaker 1: the Flat Earth is I read it. I've learned how
Speaker 1: to read the Bible now and if there's a word
Speaker 1: I don't understand, I go into Strong's concordance and oh
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Like how many times have we glossed
Speaker 1: over the word firmament and just went on reading the
Speaker 1: Book of Genesis exactly?
Speaker 6: That's what I was Tellma was the other day, Like
Speaker 6: until I got into this flatter thing, I never really
Speaker 6: knew what that meant. And I don't even know if
Speaker 6: I like, honestly, if I read the word, I probably
Speaker 6: I did never even registered, Like, but yeah, it's it's
Speaker 6: crazy when you actually when your eyes are opened exactly.
Speaker 1: And I wonder, you know, in the other versions, whether
Speaker 1: it's the EESV or NIV, do they use the word firmament.
Speaker 6: I looked into that, ah while ago I forget what
Speaker 6: it was. Yeah, I guess I would have to right now,
Speaker 6: I don't have the answer.
Speaker 1: But yeah, likewise, that's something I definitely need to look into,
Speaker 1: because that is and I have said before, I try
Speaker 1: my best to use the King James Bible, just because
Speaker 1: what you're told is it every time something is translated,
Speaker 1: it does lose meaning, and then whether intentional or not,
Speaker 1: it is the actual translation lies at the hand of
Speaker 1: the person doing the translating, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I just looked it up here. It's Genesis
Speaker 6: one seven. It talks about the firmament, and then in
Speaker 6: the ESV it said the expanse. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here in the n I V it says God called
Speaker 1: the vault sky.
Speaker 6: Yeah, V says the vault.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's our answer.
Speaker 6: And then the MSG says, yeah, holds the sky. So
Speaker 6: and the New King Games does say firmament.
Speaker 1: So yes it does. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's what they do.
Speaker 1: So. Yeah, that that that is one piece of evidence
Speaker 1: to reminding ourselves that maybe we if you are going
Speaker 1: to read the n I I V or or he
Speaker 1: asked V whatever version, maybe take the time just to
Speaker 1: scroll past the KJV, just because something, one little word
Speaker 1: like that that is missing could could intentionally lead you
Speaker 1: away from the truth exactly. Yeah. Can I ask you
Speaker 1: a little more about the freedom convoys, because because I
Speaker 1: had heard some story I covered all that well on
Speaker 1: the radio show on the podcasts. I heard a lot
Speaker 1: of people were like, had their bank accounts taken away?
Speaker 1: Did you know anybody who was, you know, personally attacked
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I actually know a couple of people. So I
Speaker 6: worked for a small truck and company at the time.
Speaker 6: He had like eight drivers I think, and his brother
Speaker 6: he owns a bigger truck company and his yeah, his all.
Speaker 6: I think it was all the US accounts. I can't it,
Speaker 6: don't mark my mark me on that, but it was
Speaker 6: one of his bank accounts that I've got frozen anyways,
Speaker 6: And there was also some other people that I got
Speaker 6: to know in Ottawa that the other bank accounts got frozen,
Speaker 6: and it had to do with people that were donating
Speaker 6: to the GoFundMe that we had set up or that
Speaker 6: someone else set set up for us. But yeah, I
Speaker 6: was actually I was actually the first truck down in Ottawa,
Speaker 6: got a load of tents and stuff down there for
Speaker 6: for the freedom convoy, and uh, yeah, I got to
Speaker 6: see that all happen, and yeah, just the way the
Speaker 6: way they treated us, and then you know, in the
Speaker 6: in the end they had to get the UN troops
Speaker 6: in there to push us out because I don't know
Speaker 6: if the Canadian troops wouldn't do it or what. But yeah,
Speaker 6: the and even on the way out like it was,
Speaker 6: it was crazy they had I had had to drive
Speaker 6: through two spot checks before I could get out, and
Speaker 6: and both spot checks it was a female cop and
Speaker 6: they both got onto my steps, like could stopped me
Speaker 6: and got onto my steps and thank me for what
Speaker 6: we did there. Yeah, you had so many people that
Speaker 6: were just rooting for us, and and you know, and
Speaker 6: then just for the government to go and send the
Speaker 6: you United Nations troops after us to push us out.
Speaker 1: That that's interesting. I don't recall them bringing in the
Speaker 1: UN So the blue hatters were actually there? Were they
Speaker 1: actually armed?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they were armed. Oh yeah, I have, I have,
Speaker 6: I didn't have pictures of it yet.
Speaker 1: That's incredible.
Speaker 6: Maybe sent them to you.
Speaker 1: But but what you said there with the police coming
Speaker 1: up and thanking you, I kind of got the same.
Speaker 1: This is not even close to what you did. And
Speaker 1: I'm so thankful that you did that. But it was
Speaker 1: the same reaction you would get if you went into
Speaker 1: a like in twenty twenty, if you went into a
Speaker 1: Walmart or a local grocery store without your mask on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were a few people who gave you the dirty eye,
Speaker 1: but there were also a few people, even them wearing
Speaker 1: masks that kind of give you a nod and a
Speaker 1: smile and like a thanks for having the you know,
Speaker 1: cajoles to stand up to this evil exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're just amount of people, like I've heard you
Speaker 6: mentioned over and over that they overplayed their their hand
Speaker 6: on COVID, and I really believe that, Like, there are
Speaker 6: so many people that that were in Ottawa and telling us, like,
Speaker 6: you know, we got vaccinated, and we believed the government
Speaker 6: and you guys. You know, it took you guys to
Speaker 6: open our eyes and and you know, I'm I'm glad
Speaker 6: that that at least happened. That I feel, you know,
Speaker 6: leaving Ottawa, I felt, you know, we hadn't gotten what
Speaker 6: we came for. You know, we we we said we
Speaker 6: would leave till we till we got our freedoms back,
Speaker 6: this that and the other. You know, After that we
Speaker 6: left there, we still had to wear a masks, and
Speaker 6: still the vaccine requirements were still in place and all
Speaker 6: this that and the other workplaces and and it was
Speaker 6: very frustrating to leave there. But I felt we had
Speaker 6: been cheated by our government, like you know, and the
Speaker 6: you know, we found found out I think it was
Speaker 6: the day before we got pushed out of there, that
Speaker 6: there was UN planes in air he had an airport
Speaker 6: close by, and and we started noticing that the troops
Speaker 6: they were different. There's different people on the ground, and
Speaker 6: then there had been up until that point, and they
Speaker 6: all the cops and everything pulled back and it was
Speaker 6: different to troops on the ground. So that's where we
Speaker 6: put two and three together and you know, you'd equal five.
Speaker 6: And we noticed it was the U N U N
Speaker 6: troops that were out there pushing us out. And these
Speaker 6: guys they weren't. They were messing around, like instead of
Speaker 6: opening a door on a truck to pull a guy out,
Speaker 6: you know, even if he didn't have his door locked,
Speaker 6: they would they would just go right to breaking windows
Speaker 6: like they were. These guys weren't about to do things
Speaker 6: the nice way.
Speaker 1: Wow. And all this talk about the UN and the
Speaker 1: Blue helmets coming in, Oh, that's just a conspiracy theory. Well,
Speaker 1: this happened three years ago. It happened to you, not
Speaker 1: necessarily your windows getting broken, but it happened. You were
Speaker 1: first hand account of it. Yeah, that's incredible. Well, you
Speaker 1: know what, you should be proud of. Go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 6: Sorry they came through there with armored, armored vehicles and everything.
Speaker 1: It was it was not that's just insane. But you
Speaker 1: know what, at the end of the day, you again,
Speaker 1: there's people who talk to talk, and there's people who
Speaker 1: walk the walk, and your children and grandchildren that is
Speaker 1: a part of history, not just Canadian history, but world history.
Speaker 1: We were cheering you on here from little old Delaware
Speaker 1: and your children and grandchildren are going to be able
Speaker 1: to tell the story of how you got in your
Speaker 1: truck and you stood up to tyranny. So thank you
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, yep. And it's going to take all
Speaker 1: of us to stand up to tyranny if we want
Speaker 1: to flip the script right.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And I feel like if we had more people
Speaker 6: open up to the truth, like in the truth community,
Speaker 6: we could do something with the way this world is running.
Speaker 6: But there's there's not enough enough of us.
Speaker 1: No, not at all. Slowly but surely we make progress,
Speaker 1: and then little things like the Final Experiment happened and
Speaker 1: it divides the truth community again, and it really we
Speaker 1: have to put all of our small differences aside and
Speaker 1: join together and continue to preach the truth, including the Gospel,
Speaker 1: and to really to turn the tide. And unfortunately, whether
Speaker 1: you're talking about the Gospel of Jesus or uh, flat
Speaker 1: Earth or nine to eleven, people would would rather just
Speaker 1: have a conversation about the the AFC Championship Game tomorrow.
Speaker 6: One. Everybody's so tied up in there and their hobbies
Speaker 6: and their day to day things that they they don't
Speaker 6: wanna they don't want to get out of that bubble.
Speaker 6: And and just to you acknowledge that this world is
Speaker 6: not as perfect as they wanted to be.
Speaker 1: Indeed, well, do you have your your your silver bullets,
Speaker 1: if you'd like to share with the audience, what were
Speaker 1: the things that convinced you and if you had thirty
Speaker 1: seconds in an elevator to convince others, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: your silver bullets that prove flat Earth.
Speaker 6: My biggest one is always so I had the five
Speaker 6: silver bullets here. But the one I touched on before
Speaker 6: is the tall gravity is just a theory, not a
Speaker 6: not an actual proven fact. That one I always bring
Speaker 6: up pretty early into the conversation. But I think the
Speaker 6: biggest one would be the people on the bottom of
Speaker 6: the globe because that was the first you know, as
Speaker 6: far back as I can remember being taught about the globe,
Speaker 6: that was the first thing that didn't make sense to me.
Speaker 6: And you know, now the people standing on the bottom
Speaker 6: of the globe. Yeah, but the curvature is so little,
Speaker 6: you know, out of time that people don't notice that
Speaker 6: they're standing upside down. I'm like, okay, how about if
Speaker 6: we get in a plane in North America and then
Speaker 6: we fly fly down to Argentina and you wouldn't notice that,
Speaker 6: you know, all of a sudden the planes upside down. Yeah, right,
Speaker 6: Like that's that I guess I didn't think of when
Speaker 6: I was younger, but I thought of the trees growing
Speaker 6: upside down and the people walking upside down, buildings upside down,
Speaker 6: and it's just like, nah, that's that's not happening. So
Speaker 6: that's always my my one of my silver bullets. And
Speaker 6: and then the politicians and the news and everybody belittling
Speaker 6: the latter. That's the big thing. Like if you go
Speaker 6: on YouTube, you search any video on flatters, it always
Speaker 6: has that banner on how flat Earth is disproven and this,
Speaker 6: that and the other, and like if flat earth wasn't
Speaker 6: a threat to them. Why do they need to put
Speaker 6: that in? They're just like back when you were doing
Speaker 6: research on YouTube about vaccines or I think I haven't
Speaker 6: done that in a long time, so I'm not sure
Speaker 6: if the warning banners or whatever you want to call
Speaker 6: them are still on there, but they have the same
Speaker 6: thing on the like oh, you know the who recommends
Speaker 6: the vaccine blah blah blah, and like, okay, so if
Speaker 6: they're doing that with the vaccines, why are they doing
Speaker 6: the same thing with the flatter. It's like, why is
Speaker 6: the flatter such a threat that they have to every video?
Speaker 6: And then you know, you go search for flatters and
Speaker 6: the first you know, you have to dig deep before
Speaker 6: you'll actually find something good about flatters. It's it's almost
Speaker 6: like they're controlling what's being fed to people when they
Speaker 6: search the flat earth, because, like I say in my
Speaker 6: wife the other day, you search flatter, then you'll have
Speaker 6: first couple of videos will be sitting there making fun
Speaker 6: of the flatterers or is how stupid they are? And
Speaker 6: you know, and even as far as you know, the
Speaker 6: flat earth society like having I s I feel that
Speaker 6: that's a controlled narrative. It's just to make us flatter
Speaker 6: earth ors look even stupider. And if the flatter Earth wasn't,
Speaker 6: if it wasn't a threat to them, to their whole system,
Speaker 6: then they wouldn't be belittling us and calling us these
Speaker 6: conspiracy theorists and this, that and the other. It's just that,
Speaker 6: that's my big thing, like why why why are they
Speaker 6: pushing it? Pushing that so hard?
Speaker 1: Yep, And and they strategically place these anytime they mentioned
Speaker 1: flat earth, like, uh, Trudeau did it. I think a
Speaker 1: year and a half ago, he was sitting in a
Speaker 1: fire station. I collected that and put it on our
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, or not our YouTube, our rubble channel for
Speaker 1: the flat Earth files. How he was ridiculing flat earthers
Speaker 1: in a conversation with firefighters, the famous one with Obama.
Speaker 1: And he didn't just say flat Earth, he said the
Speaker 1: Flat Earth Society, which directed everybody to that web page.
Speaker 1: And they said, huh, that is dumb.
Speaker 6: Exactly, that's what they do. But yeah, you'll have you
Speaker 6: have these politicians that they'll will do that.
Speaker 1: Crazy, yes indeed.
Speaker 6: But yeah, number three would be I think no, no
Speaker 6: before Joshua ten thirteen, the one that you brought up
Speaker 6: for like the Bible says the Sun stopped in the
Speaker 6: moon like, not the Earth. So obviously it's the Sun
Speaker 6: rotating around the Earth. It's not not the Earth. So
Speaker 6: you know, if we don't wanna believe the Bible, and
Speaker 6: let's believe the whole Bible.
Speaker 1: Right one hundred percent. And that is something that I
Speaker 1: have a hard time getting a straight answer from when
Speaker 1: I bring it up to someone who is very knowledgeable
Speaker 1: in the Bible, and I just get a you know,
Speaker 1: I never get a clear answer on it. That is
Speaker 1: one of the most defining. Yeah, outside of Genesis, I
Speaker 1: would say, you know, Joshua ten thirteen is one of
Speaker 1: the biggest bullets as far as you know, biblical knowledge,
Speaker 1: biblical cosmology perfectly putting in place. God didn't stop the
Speaker 1: Earth from spinning. No, No, he stopped the sun and
Speaker 1: the moon.
Speaker 6: Yep. Yeah, me and my wife actually, but a month
Speaker 6: ago we went and purchased a globe and a flat
Speaker 6: Earth map and then we got into this whole thing
Speaker 6: with the flight patterns. I tried to explain it to
Speaker 6: her before, and I figure, you know what, if I
Speaker 6: get a flat Earth map and a globe, then I
Speaker 6: can make this make sense. And yeah, it's just it's
Speaker 6: almost comical. You look at these emergency landings and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: why wouldn't the world would he go so far out
Speaker 6: of their way just to have an emergency landing?
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it doesn't make sense, any sense at all.
Speaker 6: No, man. Then the last one that I'd written down
Speaker 6: was the Firmament. They is the Bible talking about the firmament,
Speaker 6: and and it talks about the waters above the firmament
Speaker 6: and how God separated the waters above from the waters below.
Speaker 6: And you know it, it only makes sense on a
Speaker 6: on a flatter like so if we want again, if
Speaker 6: we want to pick the Bible literally, you know, why
Speaker 6: are we not believing that.
Speaker 1: It's a great point? And yeah, you get different answers.
Speaker 1: You know, well you know that. And and this is
Speaker 1: amazing to me. You had people back then, individuals back
Speaker 1: then who were living hundreds of years. Imagine how much
Speaker 1: wisdom that you could amass by living that long?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, And and.
Speaker 1: They're just like, well, you know, they weren't they didn't
Speaker 1: have the technology the telescopes. I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: And then again it gets directly back into what you mentioned.
Speaker 1: You either take the Bible as it is, written what
Speaker 1: trying to you know, well this and that that's a
Speaker 1: very slippery slope. Yep, it's a very slippery slope. And
Speaker 1: you know we see a lot of that. Well, the
Speaker 1: Bible says this, you know, like let call it like
Speaker 1: you say in the New Testament. The Bible says that
Speaker 1: women shouldn't be pastors. And a lot of people get
Speaker 1: very upset about that. And I don't get upset at me.
Speaker 1: I didn't write that book of its two Timothy. That
Speaker 1: wasn't George. And again you can go to YouTube and
Speaker 1: put that in there, and you can find five hundred
Speaker 1: different explanations as to why it's you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like the car commercials at the end they have they
Speaker 1: speak real fast, you know, the interest in terms and
Speaker 1: all the shady stuff. That's kind of what that's like
Speaker 1: to me. Either take it for wholesale. It's a slippery
Speaker 1: slope points you start doing asterix with the Bible exactly.
Speaker 6: And and I think like the whole gravity thing too,
Speaker 6: that that's I always didn't get it. Okay, So now
Speaker 6: let's like, so I host steel coils. That's what I
Speaker 6: do right now? You know, one steel coil can like
Speaker 6: I have the heaviest one I've had is he was
Speaker 6: seventy eight thousand pounds. Oh wow, And you know this
Speaker 6: seventy eight thousand pounds piece of metal, You know this
Speaker 6: with the Earth spinning over thousand miles an hour and
Speaker 6: orbiting around the Sun, not over one to the sixty
Speaker 6: six thousand, six hundred miles an.
Speaker 1: Hour something like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this gravity is so strong that I can,
Speaker 6: you know, keep this seventy eight thousand pound coil stuck
Speaker 6: on the Earth. But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 6: this little bird can just go hop on the ground
Speaker 6: and fly up when it wants to. Like, the gravity
Speaker 6: is so strong it can pull the has some much force,
Speaker 6: it can pull this big coil to the earth. But
Speaker 6: at the same time it's so weak that this little
Speaker 6: bird can just you know, pull out of that gravity
Speaker 6: and just fly away. It's I don't know, it doesn't
Speaker 6: make sense.
Speaker 1: What kind of gas mile is does your truck get
Speaker 1: when you're hull on that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got five point two miles to the gallon
Speaker 6: on a good bay.
Speaker 1: Holy yeah, that's an expensive trip. Oh yeah, my goodness.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a great point as well. And you
Speaker 1: try to point out that stuff you know you talk about,
Speaker 1: you know it holds the water, how heavy all that
Speaker 1: water is. And again, you know you were talking about
Speaker 1: the the airplanes and how they would constantly have to
Speaker 1: be nosing down. But think about this, if you're flying
Speaker 1: from North America to South America, say into Argentina, once
Speaker 1: you cross, once you cross the equator, flying south, imagine
Speaker 1: how much more you'd have to be constantly nosing down.
Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent. We were actually talking about that
Speaker 6: just yesterday, like the whole flying thing, Like there's there's
Speaker 6: never been any pilots that I've said, yeah, we have
Speaker 6: to you know, adjust Arnold's constantly for the curvature, and
Speaker 6: like if if it was actually the curvature was there,
Speaker 6: they would have to. There's there's no way around that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially draw you know, if you're flying from like
Speaker 1: say Central America to South America, I mean you're the
Speaker 1: southern hemisphere, the bottom of the ball is getting smaller
Speaker 1: and smaller towards the bottom, you'd really be nosing down.
Speaker 1: And again this is all it's just common sense, and
Speaker 1: we have been manipulated. You know, it's very interesting if
Speaker 1: we could really find that point. I believe it's the
Speaker 1: sixteenth century when they really started this scientific revolution where
Speaker 1: they've really started pushing, uh, you know, the brainwashing and
Speaker 1: hiding knowledge they you know, if you go back to
Speaker 1: the Alexandria Library, there's a lot of theories out there
Speaker 1: who say that, you know, that was hijacked and they
Speaker 1: burned it down, and a lot of those books are
Speaker 1: now some people saying the Vaticans, some people say in Switzerland.
Speaker 1: But that is that's why they call themselves the Illuminati.
Speaker 1: They have all this knowledge that we don't. They have
Speaker 1: they think right, they think they have the truth, and
Speaker 1: maybe for living this world, fine, but if you live
Speaker 1: in this world, but not of this world, right, And
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. They want to keep us
Speaker 1: in lies. They want to keep us dumb down, right,
Speaker 1: and they want us to believe that we're on a
Speaker 1: ball spinning and everything else, and to make it feel
Speaker 1: like we're so trivialized, that we're just this speck of
Speaker 1: dust on the earth for a very short period of
Speaker 1: time and then we're gone. But there's so much more
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 6: And they throw these big numbers out there, like ninety
Speaker 6: three million miles away and you know, Earth is spinning
Speaker 6: at one thousand miles an hour at sixty six six
Speaker 6: hundred miles an hour around the sun and blah blah,
Speaker 6: and you know, and they start throwing these numbers and
Speaker 6: people are whatever. They don't question it because you know,
Speaker 6: it's too big to figure it out for themselves, or yeah,
Speaker 6: they just yeah, they just believe everything because it just
Speaker 6: seems impossible to figure that out.
Speaker 1: Well, what a huge change, if you know. Somebody emailed
Speaker 1: me about a week ago and said, could you imagine
Speaker 1: if buzz Aldron came out inmitted that the moon landing
Speaker 1: was fake? Well, I said, well, the media is controlled.
Speaker 1: They would he's ninety six years old. They would say
Speaker 1: his all timers and he didn't know what he was
Speaker 1: talking about. And he's already come out a few times
Speaker 1: and subtly said these things like I think everybody remembers
Speaker 1: that little girl who asked and he's like, oh, it
Speaker 1: didn't happen that way.
Speaker 6: You know that.
Speaker 1: I think that is their way of disclosure, and people just, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to say, they don't care,
Speaker 1: but it is not a priority for most people. And again,
Speaker 1: going back to what you said earlier, how many people
Speaker 1: truly know how much money goes to NASA every day.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and a lot of people will be like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know what, I am saved. You know, it doesn't
Speaker 6: bother me, It doesn't. It doesn't change if I if
Speaker 6: the earth is flattered around. But at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, you don't care about you know, all this,
Speaker 6: you know, these seventy million dollars, If these dudes are
Speaker 6: making a day, you know, like that doesn't bother you
Speaker 6: at all. And yeah, it blows me away the the
Speaker 6: way that people are just they were willing to just
Speaker 6: look past everything just to live in this little comfortable bubble.
Speaker 6: And and I honestly I you know, the more I
Speaker 6: look into these things and the more I find more
Speaker 6: for truth I find, the more free I feel like.
Speaker 6: And you know, if they were also in the poll
Speaker 6: a pole another you know, big scam, deemic or whatever,
Speaker 6: it wouldn't you know, it wouldn't surprise me. And these people,
Speaker 6: you know, to hit them on the side of the
Speaker 6: head and they'd probably fall for it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're subtly dropping hints about the bird flew again.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you that there is And I'm not
Speaker 1: taking jabs at anybody. Nobody intended, no jabs at anybody,
Speaker 1: but they have once again because of the way they
Speaker 1: created the matrix. If they went back to you know,
Speaker 1: if this is so bad, everybody has to take it.
Speaker 1: I understand what happened in twenty twenty, and freedom is important. However, Comma,
Speaker 1: this is more dangerous than anything we've ever seen before.
Speaker 1: We need everybody to take it right. They can deliver
Speaker 1: it in such way. Number one, You know, these are
Speaker 1: the people who run Hollywood, right, and they can create
Speaker 1: these things, people dropping dead in the streets and all
Speaker 1: of this misery, and they can look you in the
Speaker 1: eye and just say, look, you know, what did they
Speaker 1: tell you back in twenty twenty. You don't take this.
Speaker 1: You don't care about your grandmother. You're going to kill
Speaker 1: your grandmother. The evil things. And I'm not saying we
Speaker 1: can't forgive. We're commanded to forgive our enemies and those
Speaker 1: who wish to do harm to us. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, accountability is a real thing, and people do
Speaker 1: need to be held accountable for their evil actions.
Speaker 6: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like yourself. It would not shock me if they tried.
Speaker 1: I would be shocked if they did it this soon.
Speaker 1: But who knows.
Speaker 6: Things Honestly, I feel like the world is stupid enough
Speaker 6: that they'd be able to pull it off again.
Speaker 1: That's just it's just incredible to me. Yeah, incredible to me.
Speaker 1: I think you covered all your silver bullets.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, no, I thought I had. Here was what
Speaker 6: I found very interesting. So I actually my brother in
Speaker 6: law passed away just over a month ago.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, and yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6: And as I guess, trying to cope with the whole thing,
Speaker 6: and just started going for walks and then I they'll
Speaker 6: just think about the whole flatter thing. As we lived
Speaker 6: down by the beach here and I had to go
Speaker 6: to the beach and I just look at the waters,
Speaker 6: and then the whole flat earth idea just came to
Speaker 6: my head again, and I got got on Spotify and
Speaker 6: searched for I was wondering if there'd be a like
Speaker 6: a flatter podcast, and because I listened to a couple
Speaker 6: of different podcasts, and then I was like wondering if
Speaker 6: the Flatters podcast. And then you know, it came across
Speaker 6: your your the Flatters files, and you know, you're so
Speaker 6: easy to listen to, and I just started going deeper
Speaker 6: and deeper and listening to more and more of your podcasts,
Speaker 6: and I've listened to so many of them since then.
Speaker 6: I drive trucks, so I got a lot of top
Speaker 6: my hands. And you know, if I'm not listening to
Speaker 6: ministries or you know, listening to the Bible, I'm listening
Speaker 6: to flatters files and it. Yeah, one thing I kept
Speaker 6: coming across was that how most people that your interview
Speaker 6: are believers. And it just it blows me away that
Speaker 6: the percentage of flatters that are actually believers. And you know,
Speaker 6: a lot of times people were believers, but when they
Speaker 6: started taking into this whole flatter thing, they you know,
Speaker 6: the creation led them to the.
Speaker 1: It is and you know, we get into discussions. Obviously
Speaker 1: it is not directly a salvation issue. You don't have
Speaker 1: to be a flat earther to get into heaven. I
Speaker 1: always tell people, however, it has led many people to
Speaker 1: God and salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ, and
Speaker 1: that in itself is the greatest thing, you know, out
Speaker 1: of all my podcasts I ever, do you know, if
Speaker 1: you bring one person to Jesus Christ, then it was
Speaker 1: worth all of the work. And that you know, we
Speaker 1: talk about all these rabbit holes and you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of the evil on earth that should not be ignored.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. Most of us have children and
Speaker 1: grandchildren and we want to make a better way for them.
Speaker 1: I do worry about the future, and it's important to
Speaker 1: get the truth out. And if the truth did get
Speaker 1: out and we just turn the you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of these evil government of shows upside down and the
Speaker 1: people who want to harm us, whether it's Bill Gates,
Speaker 1: insert diabolical person here. You know, Claus Schwabs, you will
Speaker 1: eat the bugs and be happy. I think it would.
Speaker 1: People don't realize John, the freedom it does bring, right,
Speaker 1: once you realize that you're being lied to and nobody
Speaker 1: controls you. Man, what a relief, one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: It's kind of funny the same thing we were going
Speaker 6: through about, you know, five years ago, when we left
Speaker 6: the church or I guess the church we grew up in.
Speaker 6: It's kind of funny how the persecution that we face
Speaker 6: now with the Flatters is very similar to that. It's
Speaker 6: not to that extent, but you know, we get made
Speaker 6: fun of. My family and even on my Wist side
Speaker 6: of the family, like I've there, I've preached for a
Speaker 6: couple of years already at my in laws, but you know,
Speaker 6: my side of the family, they they'll just laugh at
Speaker 6: me and call me crazy, this, that and the other.
Speaker 6: And the room gets pretty loud when when I bring
Speaker 6: up the flat earth. But it's one of those things
Speaker 6: that pretty much every time we have a gathering we
Speaker 6: get together, somehow it comes up. But I just find it,
Speaker 6: find it funny how it now now it seems like
Speaker 6: we're right back at square one, where I'm where I'm
Speaker 6: trying to convince everybody of something.
Speaker 1: That's but you know what, You're having meaningful conversation and
Speaker 1: it gets them thinking. Even though, and I tell people
Speaker 1: this often that even if you have a conversation with
Speaker 1: someone and they shut you down, chances are it sticks
Speaker 1: with them.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: That happened to me the very first time when I
Speaker 1: got that first email, and I'm like, what is what
Speaker 1: kind of what is he smoking? Flat earth? What? And
Speaker 1: but it was in my craw for a couple of days,
Speaker 1: and I went back and I there was links in
Speaker 1: the email, and I looked at it and like most people, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll look at this and I'll disprove this in five minutes,
Speaker 1: move on with my life, and and two weeks later,
Speaker 1: your head's upside down and you realize that everything's a
Speaker 1: lie and it is like you said, it is. While
Speaker 1: it can be emotional, especially for me who was you know,
Speaker 1: late forties at the time, it can be a little
Speaker 1: confusing and frustrating and even a little bit of anger,
Speaker 1: but at the same time it does bring freedom. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, just like my dad, he's in his fifties and
Speaker 6: he just recently got saved this past summer, and you know,
Speaker 6: for him for so many years, you know, being brainwashed
Speaker 6: in that religion, and the longer you're in it, the
Speaker 6: harder to get out of it. And a lot of
Speaker 6: people with the Flatter the same thing, like, the longer
Speaker 6: you've lived, the more you are just you're setting your
Speaker 6: ways and not willing to look at anything outside of that, right,
Speaker 6: and you just gotta gotta step back and forget everything
Speaker 6: you've been taught and questionably, where was I taught this?
Speaker 6: And why was I taught this? Okay, what about the Flatters?
Speaker 6: Does it make sense? Yeah, I've actually it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 6: It's almost on a daily basis that I've been talking
Speaker 6: on people but flatters lately, and I get myself people
Speaker 6: look at me all weird and think I'm all this,
Speaker 6: that and the other crazy, But it just I get
Speaker 6: energy from that.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed, like I keep mental notes anytime it
Speaker 1: happens to come up. Is there any particular breadcrumbs that
Speaker 1: you'll at least get an eyebrow raise for them? Like
Speaker 1: you can tell it hits them a certain way, but
Speaker 1: they still their cognitive dissonance is so strong that they
Speaker 1: don't really pursue it. But like for me, when I
Speaker 1: see that in their face, when it makes sense and
Speaker 1: they start questioning things, I know that eventually it may
Speaker 1: not be that day, may not be that night, but
Speaker 1: they're going to go back and revisit it. But I
Speaker 1: always worry is they're going to use Google and oh
Speaker 1: that'll be debunked to me. Yeah, But for some people,
Speaker 1: you know, when you put those little cards in the
Speaker 1: filing cabinet, when they go back to research or they
Speaker 1: hear it again, that those bread combs eventually do build
Speaker 1: up to a slice of bread. Right.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And I always tell people that are sure with
Speaker 6: like don't believe me in your own research, and don't
Speaker 6: you know dig deep? Yeah, and like if you if
Speaker 6: you're gonna believe me right just from you know, one conversation,
Speaker 6: then you know that that's not too clever, Like go
Speaker 6: do your own research and actually dig into this, pray
Speaker 6: about it. And I've like told people like ask God
Speaker 6: to open your eyes, like he will open your eyes,
Speaker 6: and but a lot of people it's just no, it
Speaker 6: doesn't affect my salvation and they want to live in
Speaker 6: that bubble. But it is one of those things like
Speaker 6: said like it. When you mentioned it to them, it's
Speaker 6: it's almost like they would have they would have liked
Speaker 6: it if you had not shared that, because now they
Speaker 6: it's there. There's they see there's truth in what you
Speaker 6: what you're sharing, or there's definitely some things that they're questioning,
Speaker 6: and it's like now they gotta you know, they can't
Speaker 6: just like you, you know, you lost two weeks of
Speaker 6: sleep over it, and a lot of these people, you know,
Speaker 6: now I got to think about this, and you know,
Speaker 6: if I'm not going to actually study this, then I'll
Speaker 6: never get the answers exactly right.
Speaker 1: And some people like you said you you said it perfect.
Speaker 1: They're in their nice little bubble, right, You've got their internet,
Speaker 1: and they if there are people who were just built
Speaker 1: that way, right, they wake up have breakfast, they work,
Speaker 1: they come home, they watch their TV shows, the Amazing
Speaker 1: Race or whatever the newest thing is, and they go
Speaker 1: to bed and rinse and repeat, and there's just and never.
Speaker 6: Even noticed that there's one hundred globes in that show.
Speaker 1: Or oh, you're not kidding, you're not kidding.
Speaker 6: I learned that on your on your podcast. And then
Speaker 6: me and my wife actually a couple of nights we
Speaker 6: were watching different movies and just just like we weren't
Speaker 6: even watching the movie for the movie. We were watching
Speaker 6: the movie to see how many globes and they're in there.
Speaker 6: Now our girls we have for little girls, and then
Speaker 6: they're like, hey, gatty, can we watch a movie to
Speaker 6: see how many globes are in there?
Speaker 1: That's awesome, it's so funny. But yeah, and that really
Speaker 1: goes to prove how important of an agenda it is
Speaker 1: for Satan because he uses Hollywood. He you know it.
Speaker 1: It's just that the deceit and to make people leave,
Speaker 1: like I said that they're just on this earth that is,
Speaker 1: you know, they tell us it's fourteen million years old,
Speaker 1: and you're only here for you know, seventy or eighty years,
Speaker 1: and then you're going again and maybe you'll come back again.
Speaker 1: You know, all this weird stuff that they put out
Speaker 1: there for to get people to believe anything except for
Speaker 1: salvation through Jesus.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and at the end of the day, I know
Speaker 6: like flatters is like, obfullly the salvation is way more
Speaker 6: important than you know, pushing pushing the gospel and everything.
Speaker 6: But I've said to buddy of mine before, like he's
Speaker 6: he he's very neutral, I guess, And I've said to
Speaker 6: him like, this whole Flatter thing a lot of like
Speaker 6: for a lot of these people are people are the
Speaker 6: culture that I grew up. And if if I could
Speaker 6: just convince him of the flatters, maybe that because they're
Speaker 6: not they're not searching inside their religion and you know,
Speaker 6: they're they're setting the ways as far as that goes.
Speaker 6: But if I can get them to open, like let
Speaker 6: their guard down a bit and open their eyes about
Speaker 6: the flatters, maybe they'll start questioning, Okay, what else have
Speaker 6: we been led about? And then at that point, you know,
Speaker 6: being able to share the Gospel with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a great avenue of approach, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's a great topic to bring up in a Bible
Speaker 1: study as well as you know, especially again going back
Speaker 1: to Joshua, right, Jesus is the is the ultimate truth.
Speaker 1: But truth is truth period. People should want truth, no
Speaker 1: matter how distasteful it is. And unfortunately there's so many
Speaker 1: people who would rather take their pill sugar coated instead
Speaker 1: of just taking it straightened up and to realize, you know,
Speaker 1: the actual world we live on, and like you said,
Speaker 1: it is freeing and I wish more people would just listen,
Speaker 1: just take the time out to listen, to be open minded.
Speaker 1: And like I said, you would think after what we
Speaker 1: dealt with in twenty twenty that more people would be
Speaker 1: would be open And yes, like you said, they've played
Speaker 1: their hand. And I would guess probably a third of
Speaker 1: the people who are awake today were probably just awakened
Speaker 1: within the last five years. I bet you it's that
Speaker 1: of the number.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would I would like to see those numbers,
Speaker 6: but I would honestly think you're right there was a
Speaker 6: lot of people that that got awakened over that time.
Speaker 1: So you know, amen for that Thing's happened for a reason,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad for the people who are awake. But
Speaker 1: I'll also say, if you have this information, and again
Speaker 1: the information that you've researched and that you believe everything
Speaker 1: we say on the podcast. Everybody should research for themselves.
Speaker 1: But keeping it inside this knowledge isn't doing anybody a favor.
Speaker 1: And I hope people do find the courage. I pray
Speaker 1: that people find the courage to come out and to
Speaker 1: share this information.
Speaker 6: Yep. Yeah, it's just like I always told people, like
Speaker 6: go read the Bible for yourself, like, don't just take
Speaker 6: any preacher's word for it, like I actually study the
Speaker 6: Bible yourself. And that's the same thing with a plotter
Speaker 6: thing like do your research.
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely absolutely was there.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, the whole mk ultra thing, like you know,
Speaker 6: how many people there there that know about that? You know,
Speaker 6: even Oklahoma the bombings in Oklahoma City, they you know
Speaker 6: how many people know about that? Why is why is
Speaker 6: this not stuff that we were being told? Like you know,
Speaker 6: and you mentioned these things to people, Yeah, whatever, that
Speaker 6: never happened, and do your research.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell people all the time, you ever heard
Speaker 1: of Arran Syaky And he was the policeman who was
Speaker 1: the first one on the scene, and yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he found out the truth and they killed him for it.
Speaker 6: This hero that was the guy that they found in
Speaker 6: the field, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He he committed suicide by stabbing himself fifty times and
Speaker 1: blood was in his car. Yeah, handcuffed and dragged in
Speaker 1: a field a mile away. It's one of the more
Speaker 1: disturbing stories. And I was in Oklahoma City on April
Speaker 1: nineteenth of last year for the anniversary and to see
Speaker 1: people there twenty nine years later. This year is going
Speaker 1: to be the thirtieth anniversary. And the pain you could
Speaker 1: see is just still raw today as it is. And
Speaker 1: you know, people outsiders think, well, they got their man
Speaker 1: McVeigh and he you know, he was put to death
Speaker 1: and now the healing can start. Boy you better, yeah,
Speaker 1: holy cow.
Speaker 6: And again yes it was. It wasn't suspicious at all
Speaker 6: that the authorities were there, you know, within two minutes
Speaker 6: of it happening, and had everything set up for whatever.
Speaker 6: They were doing their whole investigation there, and you know
Speaker 6: this cop just showing up, you know, a couple of
Speaker 6: minutes after and everything was already set up there and say, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's not suspicious at all.
Speaker 1: Yep. And just so happened. It happened nine oh two
Speaker 1: am and not one ATF agent was in the building.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And can you imagine. And this is the thing
Speaker 1: that gets me, Why are they keeping munitions in a
Speaker 1: building with the daycare?
Speaker 6: Exactly? That was one thing I kept thinking, like, what
Speaker 6: in the world was going through their minds?
Speaker 1: Listen, I was in the military for twenty four years.
Speaker 1: Ordnance even as small as five well, not so much
Speaker 1: that we kept it on us, but anything you know,
Speaker 1: that was explosive was kept at the AHA, which is
Speaker 1: the ammunition holding area, And there was so many rules
Speaker 1: and regulations that had to be x you know, far
Speaker 1: away from you know, normal areas of operations, this, that
Speaker 1: and the other thing. And the fact that they had
Speaker 1: bombs in a vault a couple stories above a daycare
Speaker 1: what and people just move on? I just I just
Speaker 1: can't fathom.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And then you think about it. Okay, if serial
Speaker 6: killer goes off and kills you know, a handful of
Speaker 6: people or whatever, and they're just a big story. Everybody
Speaker 6: knows their name and it's in the news and this,
Speaker 6: that and the other, and then you know, you have
Speaker 6: things like that happened, and like that happened in Oklahoma,
Speaker 6: their Oklahoma city there, and you just you never heard
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 1: Nope, not at all. It's just and these are the
Speaker 1: things that people really need, you know, really need to
Speaker 1: be paying attention to. Yep, unbelievable. What was there anything
Speaker 1: else that you had on your list that you hadn't
Speaker 1: had a chance to discuss yet?
Speaker 6: Not really, I guess the one thing I've been hearing
Speaker 6: it too in your podcast, but people talking about the
Speaker 6: whole the food industry and the Yeah, I guess I
Speaker 6: really recently started diving into that.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 6: But two years ago. I started a weight loss journey.
Speaker 6: I'm five ft seven and I was three hundred and
Speaker 6: seventeen pounds. I'm my heaviest, and I was like, I
Speaker 6: can't do this anymore. And so I started looking into
Speaker 6: like dieting and losing weight and stuff like that. And
Speaker 6: I tried diets and stuff in the past, and and
Speaker 6: another one of those things where I feel like we've
Speaker 6: been manipulated and lied to is is the whole food pyramid. Absolutely,
Speaker 6: And yeah, so I started like since July ninth of
Speaker 6: twenty twenty, twenty twenty two, I think it was so
Speaker 6: not last not twenty twenty four, twenty twenty three, it
Speaker 6: was so July ninth of twenty twenty three. I've not
Speaker 6: had a lunch box. It was to work like I
Speaker 6: was fast till supper and it has been like I've
Speaker 6: lost eighty pounds and since then, and I gained a
Speaker 6: little bit back when my brother in law passed away
Speaker 6: because not not being strict with my diet and stuff.
Speaker 6: But I'm I'm going to go back onto the carnivor
Speaker 6: did here? Now that was where I was going with
Speaker 6: this all. But yeah, learning you know how my body works,
Speaker 6: and you know, always being like my my mom, she
Speaker 6: definitely made really good food. But now I look at
Speaker 6: the food and I'm like, man, that's so high carb
Speaker 6: carb foods that are the in the you know a
Speaker 6: lot of these breads that you would make and and
Speaker 6: all these things that were it's terrible for me. I
Speaker 6: was just consuming these on a regular basis and you know,
Speaker 6: very low protein diet that I had, and you know,
Speaker 6: that's what got me up to where I was like
Speaker 6: and and I had a very rough childhood growing up,
Speaker 6: and I coped with food. And you know, the bigger,
Speaker 6: the more pain I went through, the more the bigger
Speaker 6: I got. And now recent yeah, diving into this whole
Speaker 6: food pyramid, and you know how that industry makes their
Speaker 6: money and it just it upsets me, Like and even
Speaker 6: like we're pulling our kids out of school next year
Speaker 6: and going to homeschooling, and in the there's two big
Speaker 6: reasons for it, well, I guess three. The one is
Speaker 6: we wanted to teach our kids the way we way
Speaker 6: we believed, and and the next thing was I just
Speaker 6: hate the way the kids snack all day. Like I
Speaker 6: don't believe we were created to snack all day and
Speaker 6: you know, our body never that way, and it just
Speaker 6: it upsets me the amount of sugar that these kids
Speaker 6: are consuming. And and you know, for us, sometimes we'll
Speaker 6: give our daughters like healthier snacks and now they feel
Speaker 6: like they're they're weird for you know, having you know,
Speaker 6: pepperettes for for their snacks instead of you know, chips
Speaker 6: and granola bars. And it's just that's another reason, that's
Speaker 6: one of the big reasons why we're pulling them out
Speaker 6: of school. It's just I don't agree with all these
Speaker 6: uh snacks that they're that we're feeding our kids, and
Speaker 6: it just it upsets me. You know, even for our
Speaker 6: oldest daughter, she's not overweighted by any means, but I
Speaker 6: can see how like I was her age I was six, well,
Speaker 6: I was actually a little bit younger, around six or
Speaker 6: seven years old when I started gaining weight. And I
Speaker 6: can see for her she's kind of like leaning towards
Speaker 6: the chubbier side. And I'm like, okay, well, if we
Speaker 6: don't start, you know, cutting their sugar out of their diet,
Speaker 6: then you know, she's probably gonna get to the same
Speaker 6: point where I am, and and hate herself all her
Speaker 6: life for you know, being solbes and like I did.
Speaker 6: And yeah, it upsets me the way they have manipulated
Speaker 6: us with the whole food industry.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a great point. That is something I've
Speaker 1: been wanting to trist is doing the carnivore diet. We're
Speaker 1: going to the butcher next week and I think I'm
Speaker 1: going to give it a shot. And you know, it's interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about homeschool and I've been saying for
Speaker 1: a while that was the probably one of the greatest
Speaker 1: decisions I've ever made. I was very skeptical because you
Speaker 1: know what is not taking vaccines, believing in the flat earth,
Speaker 1: and homeschooling have in common. Right, Oh, you're a homeschooler.
Speaker 1: Oh you don't believe in vaccines? Oh you're a flat earther.
Speaker 1: All of these things are are stigmas amongst the normy population.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, when you really
Speaker 1: again peel back the layers of the onion and think,
Speaker 1: do I want do I want to control what goes
Speaker 1: into my child's mind? Or do I want to trust
Speaker 1: someone else doing it?
Speaker 6: Exactly? Yep. Yeah, going to the carnivore thing, we've done it,
Speaker 6: me and my wife. I have done it in the
Speaker 6: past and I did thirty days at one point, and
Speaker 6: then yeah, the first time we did it together. We
Speaker 6: did for thirty days and it was way harder for her.
Speaker 6: She's very she loves her sugar, her sweets, and for me,
Speaker 6: I don't care for it as much, so it was
Speaker 6: easier for me. But the mental clarity I got, like
Speaker 6: after the three week mark, it was amazing. And then
Speaker 6: just realizing how we've been like enslaved to our food. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the amount of food we consume when we have a
Speaker 6: high carbo, high sugar diet, it's it's unreal. And you
Speaker 6: think that the carnival diet would be super expensive because
Speaker 6: you're consuming all this meat, but you eat weight less,
Speaker 6: like you know your body doesn't need all this garbage.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, you know back in the day when you know,
Speaker 1: before you had restaurants and everything, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: talking going way back, people had to go out and
Speaker 1: hunt their food and right, they didn't have all this
Speaker 1: other things that they ate what they caught and right.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that is, I think people get
Speaker 1: away from his proper sleep and that is something I
Speaker 1: didn't learn till well after my time in the army.
Speaker 1: And how much clear I feel getting actually a lot
Speaker 1: of sleep. But you know, everybody's different. Some people tolerate
Speaker 1: it differently. But yeah, I'm looking forward to try that
Speaker 1: out and to you know, skipping two meals a day,
Speaker 1: you know, meet in the morning, meet in the afternoon. Whatever.
Speaker 1: I've heard nothing but positive. I've heard it helped people
Speaker 1: with what had bad skin condition. It completely cleared that up.
Speaker 1: So I know everybody's different, and I once again tell
Speaker 1: everybody to research for themselves. But it's something I'm going
Speaker 1: to start soon and I'll give my feedback once that's
Speaker 1: you know, one I'm endo my journey.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just talked to a guy two days ago.
Speaker 6: He had type two diabetes, and you know that's supposed
Speaker 6: to not be curable, and he completely reversed his diabetes
Speaker 6: and I think was six months. He said it went
Speaker 6: back to his doctors, and his doctor just couldn't believe it.
Speaker 6: Then his doc asked what he was doing, and he
Speaker 6: told me he could out roll the sugars and the carbs,
Speaker 6: and and the doctor goes, you know what, there's only
Speaker 6: one percent of you that can do this. He goes,
Speaker 6: that's why we put people on insulin, because people are
Speaker 6: not willing to give up their sugar and their you know,
Speaker 6: their diet. And yeah, like even that doctor acknowledge, like
Speaker 6: there it is reversible, but.
Speaker 1: People aren't willing to do it the effort, right, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: one hundred Yeah. But but also let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Let me retort with this, how many doctors and I
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to this, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: because of the medical industry the way it is, it's
Speaker 1: meant to make money, how many doctors their first piece
Speaker 1: of advice is to go on o zepic or on
Speaker 1: insulin versus you need to change your diet now. And
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm just I don't know the answer to that,
Speaker 1: but i'd be I'd be interested to know how many
Speaker 1: doctors actually push healthier eating before putting somebody on a
Speaker 1: medicine like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's not very many doctors. I'll tell you that
Speaker 6: the I get familiar with the carnival community. There is
Speaker 6: doctors out there that they believe in the Keto diet
Speaker 6: and the carnial diet, and that would tell you that.
Speaker 6: But you know, these doctors aren't making money if you
Speaker 6: if you're not in the hospital, so they want you
Speaker 6: to come back.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's your customer. An healthy person is not
Speaker 1: a return customer, and anybody who has a business knows
Speaker 1: having return customers is what keeps you afloat.
Speaker 6: Yep. But yeah, going back to the homeschool. Yeah, before
Speaker 6: we wrap up here, I've heard you talk about the Yeah,
Speaker 6: the homeschool, and you know how that would be good
Speaker 6: if there was like a Flatters homeschool curriculum. Have you
Speaker 6: come across anything like that yet? I guess we were
Speaker 6: really researching that now on.
Speaker 1: So the founded Earth Brothers on YouTube and I'll try
Speaker 1: to find it and link it in the show notes.
Speaker 1: I know they started a beta version. I haven't followed up,
Speaker 1: and I've been meaning to but I know that they
Speaker 1: have started a curriculum, and they were at least one
Speaker 1: of them. I think it was Josh, the one that
Speaker 1: was on my podcast. He was actually a science teacher
Speaker 1: and he became uncomfortable being a flat earther and then
Speaker 1: going to school and you know, having to teach the
Speaker 1: curriculum that he has to teach. But I believe that
Speaker 1: they have started a curriculum. And again I'll look and
Speaker 1: I'll I'll try to get that in the in the
Speaker 1: show notes.
Speaker 6: Sounds good.
Speaker 1: So there you go. Well, what a conversation. Thanks for
Speaker 1: taking the time on the Saturday morning to join us,
Speaker 1: number one. Thank you number two for walking the walk
Speaker 1: and being a part of the trucker's convoy up there.
Speaker 1: You were an inspiration to people not just in Canada
Speaker 1: and North America, but around the world. And just you know,
Speaker 1: you're only thirty years old and you're a truck driver.
Speaker 1: The backbone of this country and all countries truck drivers.
Speaker 1: You know, with no truck drivers, there's no food. So
Speaker 1: thank you for that, and I wish you all the success.
Speaker 1: And again God bless you and your family for the
Speaker 1: loss of your brother in law. We'll keep you guys
Speaker 1: in your prayers and just thank you again for joining us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks George to really appreciate that. And yeah, if
Speaker 6: there's anybody listening here from southern Ontario, if you want
Speaker 6: to reach out to me, I pass my email on
Speaker 6: to George. You'll patch it in a show notes. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I I'd like to get in touch with the locals
Speaker 6: that believe what we believe in. I also have a
Speaker 6: WhatsApp group where we there's like a probably a kind
Speaker 6: of us in there that share Flatters content and yeah,
Speaker 6: it's nice to get to know some more people.
Speaker 1: Do you know what's the link to your WhatsApp?
Speaker 6: It's just a small group that we have. I have
Speaker 6: to add them. Okay, reach out to me on first
Speaker 6: me on email, then to the group.
Speaker 1: Gotcha all right, Well awesome, Well there you go. And
Speaker 1: again John's email is in the show notes. Reach out
Speaker 1: to him, say hello if you want to be a
Speaker 1: part of the group, and I'll try to track down
Speaker 1: that information for the Founded Earth Brothers to see where
Speaker 1: that is at that homeschool curriculum. Last I heard it
Speaker 1: was in a beta phase, but it's it's a great option,
Speaker 1: or even you could use it as a supplemental education.
Speaker 1: So for for John, I'm George. Thank you all for
Speaker 1: continuing to support the Flat Earth Files podcast. Hope everybody
Speaker 1: has a great week. God bless you all. Keep your
Speaker 1: head on a swivel. And until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 1: we will see you.
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