WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.599 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:28.960 When you look me on the sky, do you feel 3 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:29.600 the poll? 4 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:32.799 The question why. 5 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:40.719 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the 6 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:48.159 truth we find. They built their tails on grafts and 7 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:50.880 lives on theories. 8 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.880 They stake their designed. 9 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:59.439 Put down here on this solid. 10 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:02.439 Brown the answer screen. 11 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:03.920 They're all around. 12 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:10.079 Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 13 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:13.840 for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm 14 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:17.079 your host is always George Chobbs. As we record on 15 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:21.280 the Saturday morning, January twenty fifth, twenty twenty five. I 16 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:24.400 hope everybody is doing well and surviving the cold weather. 17 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:27.719 We have a great guest standing by. We'll get to 18 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:30.439 in just a moment before we do. Two quick reminders 19 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.599 please do stop by the website, the flat earthfiles dot com, 20 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:37.280 stop by the chat room, leave your thoughts in the forum, 21 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.000 and every episode is delivered in the form of a 22 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:45.760 blog post with all the supporting I should say, the discussions, 23 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:49.319 the particular things that we cite are all in there. Again, 24 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:53.640 it is the flatterethfiles dot com. And if you would 25 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.200 like to join the show like John is today, please 26 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:01.319 do send us an email it is fe Files guest 27 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:05.239 at gmail dot com. Again, it is fe Files guest 28 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:09.120 at gmail dot com. The link to the website and 29 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:11.919 the email address and John's email address if you'd like 30 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:14.560 to reach out to him after the podcast is all 31 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:18.120 in the show description and without any further ado, let's 32 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.840 bring on our guests for this week's podcast. He is John, 33 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:23.879 and he's north of the border. He's a truck driver 34 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:27.319 and I'm looking forward to the conversation. John. Welcome to 35 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:32.280 the podcast. Thank you, George, and thank you for joining us. 36 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:34.560 And go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience if 37 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:34.840 you would. 38 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:39.120 Yeah, so my name is John. I lived here in 39 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:43.520 southern Ontario, and I'm a trucker. As you said, I'm 40 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:48.919 father to four beautiful girls and a lovely wife. Yeah, 41 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:53.039 I'm thirty years old, and yeah, recently I have been 42 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:57.560 really diving into this whole flatter thing. Yeah, so I'll 43 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:02.080 start with how kind of I was raised and everything, 44 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:04.599 and then kind of worked my way towards the whole 45 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:09.479 flat earth thing. I'm actually a Mennonite, so yeah, I 46 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:14.439 grew up in a very traditional men night home. I'm 47 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:20.439 actually part of a low German community and yeah, so 48 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:25.560 we were taught of God, but more of in a 49 00:03:25.719 --> 00:03:30.479 religious way, not to not definitely didn't have elevation. I 50 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.719 only got the saved a couple of years ago and 51 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.599 twenty nineteen, but me and my wife both got saved. 52 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:41.520 But yeah, so growing up, I was taught religion and 53 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:48.000 taught taught the Bible, and yeah, just started questioning things 54 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:51.719 from very young. I remember as a kid in the 55 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.080 public school. First couple of years I went to school, 56 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:59.039 I went to public school, and and when the first 57 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.719 the globe got introduce to me, I thought it was 58 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:04.680 a joke at first, because I had so my whole 59 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:08.680 thing was believing in Santa had all crashed down one 60 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:10.360 day when one of the kids at school told me 61 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.719 that that was all a hoax and wasn't true, and 62 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.759 this that and the other, and so it started making 63 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.959 me question everything that the adults were telling us. And 64 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.319 so when the teachers would bring out the globe and 65 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:25.000 start showing us how the globe worked and this that 66 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:27.639 and the other, and the how it was spinning, and 67 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:30.199 it just it didn't make sense to me. And I 68 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.959 had always just assumed the world was flat, and now 69 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.639 they're telling us we're living on this ball and I'm 70 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:38.519 just sitting here looking at the globe, thinking all the 71 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:40.800 people and like on the bottom of the globe they 72 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.680 were standing upside down and the trees were hanging upside down. 73 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:47.680 So it didn't make any sense to me. And so yeah, 74 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:51.759 I really I started questioning that from pretty much day 75 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:54.720 one when I seen the globe, and growing up, I 76 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:58.839 never I never knew of anybody else that believed otherwise, 77 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.319 so I never mentioned it to anybody, but it just 78 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:04.240 it never made any sense to me. And then with 79 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:08.600 waters and everything, like the sea levels and all that, 80 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:11.160 I just I it didn't make any sense to me. 81 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:18.639 But yeah, and then kind of just left it on 82 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:23.120 the back burner and didn't put much attention to it. 83 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:30.120 And then twenty twenty happened. We were the soul scamdemic, 84 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:36.120 and yeah, I from day one. So it was actually 85 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:39.160 March thirteenth of twenty twenty, our daughter was born. And 86 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.040 while we were waiting for all that to happen in 87 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.879 the hospital, we had the TVs on there and we 88 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:46.879 never really watched TV, but I was seeing how they 89 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:52.360 were just pushing this whole scare, yeah, trying to scare everybody, right, 90 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:57.680 And so I was very skeptical about it. From day one. 91 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:00.199 I remember saying to my what from the hospital, I said, 92 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.199 this is gonna be something big and it's Actually even 93 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.279 before before March, I said to my wife, had his 94 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:08.720 gut feeling that there's something big coming, and I wasn't 95 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:10.560 sure what it was, but I had this gut feeling 96 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:13.199 that there was something big coming. Now I even told 97 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.160 her it's gonna be worldwide. And I don't know where 98 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.680 I got this from, but I just I felt it, 99 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.000 and i've helt have I had had these things in 100 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.959 the past where I feel like something's coming and sure 101 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:31.000 enough like yeah. So when this whole scandemic started, I 102 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:34.000 never felt for it, not once. I can't say that ever. 103 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:39.560 I had an ounce of fear for COVID, for the disease, 104 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:41.199 whatever you want to call it. And I went around 105 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.199 and yeah, right away seeing how people were just falling 106 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.319 for the hook line and singer and and it just 107 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.079 bothered me. And from day one I stood up and 108 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.560 and and spoke against what they were doing, and uh, 109 00:06:55.040 --> 00:07:00.959 and even from family just got h yeah, frowned upon. 110 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:02.800 I guess I should say for what I was for 111 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:06.240 my beliefs and what I was calling out like it 112 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:07.839 was pretty much from day one that I called out 113 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:10.439 that that it would be a way to try to 114 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:16.000 get everybody vaccinated. And yeah, I had the family that 115 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:21.480 would just uh basically write me off as a conspiracy theorist, 116 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.639 and yeah, tell me I should spend the time that 117 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:27.639 I was doing into research and spend the time reading 118 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:32.160 the Bible instead of instead of into that nonsense. And yeah, 119 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:35.519 sure enough, But it ended up being what I what 120 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:37.000 I said it was, and you know, and then they 121 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:39.399 got to go back on the word and that's that's 122 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:41.439 always not an easy to pill the swallow, right. 123 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:46.079 So no, it never is. It never is. And that 124 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.600 goes back to my point. If I could just really 125 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:52.600 quickly inject is that you know, here, we are human beings. 126 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.000 God gave us our senses, right, we can see, we 127 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:57.839 can feel, we can taste, we can touch. Yet, and 128 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.120 the Bible warns us throughout the sixty six books in 129 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:06.600 the Bible that man, you know, deceit is you know, 130 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.959 probably Satan's greatest weapon. Right. He can't pick up a 131 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:14.079 bottle of beer and put it in your hand. He 132 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:17.360 can't pick you up and carry you into a strip club. However, 133 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.560 he can deceive you, and he can persuade you, and 134 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.639 he can tempt you. And you know, here we are 135 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:27.720 someone like yourself, born a Mennonite, you go to school, 136 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:29.959 you believe the earth is flat. We're not. Obviously, you 137 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:32.799 don't feel we're spinning. The points you made about the 138 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:35.759 people on the bottom of the globe, they're standing upside down. 139 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:39.039 The gravity is so strong, so why aren't the branches 140 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:42.559 from that tree being pulled down? Yet we are told, 141 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.559 and we are manipulated to believe that we are on 142 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.600 this ball. Never proven that water can stick to a ball. 143 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:54.440 Water always needs a container, water needs its level. Yet 144 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:59.080 we are programmed to believe it. And if you dare 145 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.279 think otherwise, you're crazy. 146 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:02.639 Yep. 147 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:03.440 Yeah. 148 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:05.679 And a couple of years ago, I at twenty twenty two, 149 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:07.679 I remember going down that rap trail, like why would 150 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:12.159 they want to convince us of a of a globe? 151 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:16.080 And and I think you're right there, like it's they 152 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:18.559 want us to go one hundred percent against our senses, 153 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:20.879 Like if they can, if they can do that, well 154 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.080 they can they can program us to believe anything, because 155 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:26.840 we start belittling ourselves and oh we don't, we don't 156 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:28.320 have the knowledge it takes a figure. 157 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:28.320 Out of it. 158 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.519 So well, let's just believe everything that they push on us. 159 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:36.320 And that is john the very first step towards giving 160 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:40.200 your mind to the quote unquote ruling elite. If you 161 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:44.240 will right, you will allow them to control your emotions 162 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:46.440 and what you think and what you believe. And that 163 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.279 is a dangerous slope because we know this. Sure, some 164 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:53.600 of these things, like COVID was about money and about power, 165 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:55.320 but at the end of the day, this is very 166 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:56.559 much a spiritual battle. 167 00:09:59.799 --> 00:09:59.960 Yep. 168 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.000 I guess we're the We're not fighting the elites, you're 169 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.679 fighting the double like the devil is the one that's controlling. 170 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.320 The elite precisely. You know, people say who's at the 171 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:09.240 top of the food chain, is that the Jesuits, the 172 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:12.480 Freemates and Illuminati, It is Satan and they all vie 173 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:14.919 you're positioning with him. Absolutely. 174 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:16.759 Yep. 175 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:17.720 Great point. 176 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:20.440 And if you if you think about it, like anybody 177 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.480 that I was amazed when I started listening to your podcast, 178 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.039 how many people come on and say that they weren't 179 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:29.919 Christians when they started looking into this flatter thing, and 180 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.559 how you know, when they studied creation and how the 181 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:35.320 world is actually created, like it led them to the Creator. 182 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:38.399 And I believe that's why they are pushing this whole 183 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:40.799 globe theory. They don't want people to know that. They 184 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:42.399 don't want people to come to the conclusion that there 185 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:43.519 is a creator. 186 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:49.879 One hundred percent that that is the endgame. And there 187 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:55.480 there are specific dates throughout history that that are really 188 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:59.759 stand out. Obviously the sixteenth century with Copernicus and Martin Luther, 189 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:05.200 THECS breaking away from Catholicism, and then that also shortly 190 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.759 after that we talk about Francis Baking, who did the 191 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:12.639 writings of William Shakespeare, who was very much into the 192 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.720 Scientific Reformation, and he had a lot of influence over 193 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:19.559 King James himself. That that's why a lot of people 194 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:24.799 who listen question the fact, was it really a good 195 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:28.480 idea to pull the other fourteen books the apocrypha out 196 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.120 of the Bible because of that that timeline there, especially 197 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.759 the Book of Enoch, which really if you sit down, 198 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:38.200 and again this is just I'm just making a point here, 199 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:39.960 is that if you do read the Book of Enoch, 200 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:42.600 it does lend to a lot of the things we 201 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:44.600 talk about on this program. 202 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:45.559 YEP. 203 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:49.720 And within the Mennonite community, we have a lot of 204 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:53.960 Amish here and over in Mennonites as well. The Agricultural Store, 205 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:57.240 a lot of Mennonites work there. And for those who 206 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:01.759 don't know, the biggest difference Amish, very true, not really electricity. 207 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:07.120 They don't drive vehicles Mennonits. You guys can drive vehicles, electricity, 208 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:10.200 et cetera. But still very basic. You guys don't gather 209 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:12.360 around the television every night, et cetera. If you want. 210 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:15.279 For those who may not be familiar with being a Mennonite, 211 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:16.720 what was it like for you growing up? 212 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:20.559 Yeah, so for me, it was a go to church 213 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.240 on Sunday and don't talk about the Bible at home. Well, 214 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.240 I guess at home would be wouldn't be frowned upon, 215 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:28.840 but like in friend groups, like, yeah, you didn't talk 216 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:30.559 about the Bible, you didn't talk about Christ, you didn't 217 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:34.399 talk about any of that. And and yeah, basically an 218 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.559 hour of church on Sunday and race race the church 219 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.919 and to get your spot and uh and race back 220 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:44.759 home and forget exactly everything that the that the preacher 221 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:47.679 had been sharing. And yeah, sometimes I remember if my 222 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:50.320 parents didn't go to church and and and we still 223 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:53.039 went and after church they would ask, you know, what 224 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:55.559 was the message about. And I remember sometimes listening for 225 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:57.039 a couple of seconds just to try to see what 226 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:59.000 the story was about. And then then at home I 227 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:00.600 had you know, a one line day give them what 228 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:07.000 the message was about. And but yeah, just very much workspace. Yeah, 229 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.000 religion that I grew up and grew up in, and 230 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:13.639 so yeah, for us, there was a Yeah, the women 231 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:17.200 had to wear their modest dresses and the head covering 232 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:21.279 is a very big thing that they pushed too. Yeah, 233 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:25.000 to the whole. So we left the church that we 234 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.759 grew up in twenty nineteen when we got saved, and 235 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:30.840 boyful both attended a conference. I went to a men's 236 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.120 conference and she went to a women's conference, and that's 237 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:36.919 where God opened our eyes. But yeah, that was a 238 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:40.039 big deal for in my family at the time that 239 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:44.519 left the church. But it was just rules upon rules 240 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:47.440 that the mind of Nite culture I guess that that 241 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:49.720 I grew up grew up in, and it was you know, basically, 242 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.799 you're saved by by following these rules. Well, it wasn't 243 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.000 even an assurance of being a salvation. It was hopefully 244 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:57.960 God has enough mercy on us if we follow all 245 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:00.559 these rules. And so yeah, that's kind of the system 246 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:05.039 that I grew up in. And then yeah, being set 247 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.639 free from that religious bondage and and yeah, just the 248 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:12.320 freedom in Christ that we experienced, it was it was amazing. 249 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:17.080 And yeah, now it was. It's kind of funny how 250 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.039 after we left the church then for but four and 251 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.440 a half years, none of my other siblings were born again, 252 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:23.960 and now they're pretty much all born again. 253 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:24.519 And wow. 254 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:28.440 Yeah, it was a very hard time during the beginning 255 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:29.759 that me and my wife went through because now we 256 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:32.559 had them persecuting us, my fam, my parents and and 257 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:35.240 my uh my siblings, and you know, even having my 258 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:38.240 father as far as him going and telling me that, 259 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:40.159 you know, I was going to hell and my my 260 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:42.279 wife was following me, and then I was supposed to 261 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:44.200 think about our children. And it was a very very 262 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:46.639 tough time. And I often often cried out to God, 263 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:48.559 like if I am in the wrong here, if I 264 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.240 am going against you will show me. But every time 265 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:53.879 I cried out for peace, God gave me peace. And 266 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:56.399 that was just my assurance that what we were doing, 267 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:58.759 we had this new found the joy we had found 268 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.759 it was it was real and uh, yeah, and now 269 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.440 you know, it's been five just over five years, and 270 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:08.960 you know, most of my family has been out born again. 271 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.480 They're true believers now and it's just amazing the difference. 272 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:15.120 And my parents they still attend the church that they 273 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:17.039 grew up in, but they're trying to make a difference 274 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:19.720 there now too. And but most of my siblings we've 275 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:22.200 moved on to churches that actually preach the Gospel and 276 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.440 preach freedom. And yeah, so the the I guess the 277 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.840 childhood that I had, or the culture that grew up 278 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:34.679 in is very very workspace and very yeah traditional. 279 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.480 Very interesting in your journeys because obviously you you were 280 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:43.000 a critical thinker from a very young age. Were there 281 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:45.919 other events you said? I think you said you're thirty, 282 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:47.600 so that would you? I mean you were only like 283 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:49.759 five or six years old when nine to eleven happened. 284 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:53.600 So really, I guess for you, what was COVID really 285 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:56.360 the first quote unquote rabbit hole that you came upon? 286 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:01.159 Yeah, well that's actually is this whole line eleven thing? 287 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:05.240 That was my first conspiracy that I ran a rabbit 288 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:08.159 trail that I guess I went down. I was this 289 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.840 is twenty seventeen. I was delivering a load in Michigan, 290 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:16.639 and on my way there there was this on on 291 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.039 a I think it was a stop sign or somewhere. 292 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:20.720 Someone put a sticker on there. Nine to eleven was 293 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:25.000 an inside job, and them like, you know what, I like, 294 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.559 I could believe that. And then I started to going 295 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:29.840 down that rabbit trail, and back then, you know, you'd 296 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:31.600 search stuff on the internet. It wasn't as much as 297 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:33.840 censored as much yet, and I found a whole bunch 298 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:37.960 of stuff on it, and yeah, it was. I was convinced. Well, 299 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:40.159 after like you know, a couple of days of looking 300 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:41.919 into it, I was convinced that I was an inside job. 301 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:44.960 And and then yeah, that was my That was I 302 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.000 think the first thing then, you know, I think about 303 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.559 but that too, like building seven. Like if you ask, 304 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:54.600 I guarantee you ninety percent of the people out there 305 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:56.120 they didn't have no idea about Building seven. 306 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:56.360 No. 307 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.559 I've mentioned several times, if you stood outside of a Walmart, 308 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:01.639 your local Walmart, and asked one hundred people how many 309 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:04.839 buildings fell in New York City on September eleventh, maybe 310 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.920 five would say three. And that's probably being generous. 311 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.119 Yeah, I think you're you're right. I've brought it up 312 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:12.920 to I don't know how many people, and not one 313 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:15.839 person has said that yet, Like, it's just crazy. How 314 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:16.839 many people don't know that. 315 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.440 And for those who maybe have never been down that 316 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:25.000 rabbit hole before, you know, new to the truth. Just 317 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:27.559 look at architects and engineers for nine to eleven truth, 318 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:31.519 thousands upon thousands of you know, highly respected engineers have 319 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:33.359 come out and spoken on this. It's not just some 320 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.519 you know, crazy conspiracy theory. Go ahead, I'm. 321 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:41.319 Sorry, yeah, exactly, it's I don't know, just the censorship 322 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:47.440 therein Yeah. If that doesn't make you questions, then I'm 323 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:48.160 not sure what will. 324 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.400 Yeah, And people say why would they do that? There's 325 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:57.359 a hundred reasons. You know, Larry Silverstein got that contract 326 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.440 for pennies on the dollar, got four billion dollars of insurance, 327 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:05.680 He made billions of dollars right The New Jersey Port 328 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:07.640 Authority was more than happy to get rid of that. 329 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.880 And obviously that you know, the warmongers that the military 330 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.680 industrial complex wanted boots on the ground in Afghanistan, you know, 331 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:19.920 they they just emboldened the heroin industry. We had guys 332 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:24.119 guarding poppy seeds, and that's a whole other rabbit hole 333 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:29.920 with Pat Tillman. But the oil from Iraq and General 334 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:36.160 Wesley Clark's seven Countries in five Years speech that is 335 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:40.160 still on YouTube, and the September tenth two point three 336 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:43.200 trillion dollars missing. It was a big story for about 337 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:44.960 twelve hours and then it was all forgotten. 338 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:49.680 Yeah, how can that much money? And even back in 339 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:53.000 you know, two thousand and one, like that money was 340 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:55.440 worth way more than it is today. But like, you know, 341 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:58.559 that amount of money going missing, and it's just like, yeah, 342 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:02.200 how can that all just get swept on or the rug? Yeah, 343 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:02.920 they cover up. 344 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.079 But if you don't report your six hundred dollars eBay sale, 345 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:13.200 they're coming after you. It's just live and people just 346 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:15.680 accept this, and you know what, it all goes back 347 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.720 full circle to the very first lie. I always say. 348 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.119 You know, as a child, you're told two lies. Immediately 349 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.759 that number one, a jolly old guy in a red 350 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:28.680 suit delivers gifts around the you know, eight billion gifts 351 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:34.559 in twenty four hours. And you know the globe which 352 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:37.920 is in every classroom, which how many people when they 353 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:40.880 have a child either hang like a little planetary system, 354 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:43.119 you know what I mean? Above the crib or they 355 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:46.359 have they shoot the lights on the ceiling. It is 356 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:52.079 so there, and people, we are just psychologically manipulated at 357 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:53.759 levels people don't understand. 358 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.440 Yeah, yeah, my daughter. So we have our kids in 359 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:02.000 our private school here, our church has its own private school, 360 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:06.400 and and so we in my daughter's class. She's I 361 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:08.640 think she's seven, I'm not sure exactly what great she is, 362 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:14.359 probably two. But we had a parent teacher meeting and 363 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:16.079 we were all able to go look in the classrooms 364 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:18.880 and her classroom is just decked out with these planets 365 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.519 and this that and the other, and the globe and 366 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:24.160 all this that and the other, and I'm like, man, 367 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:27.960 we were just setting these kids up for failure. Absolutely, 368 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:32.680 And it was honestly the whole thing with this like 369 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:37.279 a flatter that's kind of what is pushing us to 370 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:39.559 take our like we're next year we're going to homeschooling. 371 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:42.440 And that's what it pushed us over the edge. Well 372 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:44.039 for a long time already we wanted to do this, 373 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.160 and I said to my wife, we can't just keep 374 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:48.960 having them in this system that's you know, teaching one 375 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.119 hundred percent opposite of what we believe as far as 376 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:52.000 the Earth goes in that. 377 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:57.880 Exactly. At some point we you know, having a podcast 378 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.680 and being able to talk about it amongst our community 379 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:04.759 is a win. Right, people stumble upon the podcast listen, 380 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:06.880 that's a win. But I think at some point we 381 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:10.319 need to take the next step, and that is I 382 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:14.640 think the most important next step is to get our 383 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:19.720 quote unquote religious leaders, right, our local pastors, to sit 384 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:25.119 down and have a truthful conversation with bullet points from 385 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:25.799 the Bible. 386 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:26.200 Right. 387 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:28.880 I think depending on who you're talking about. The last 388 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:32.039 interview I had, gentlemen said, if I'm talking to an atheist, 389 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:34.640 I can't give him bullet points from the Bible because 390 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:37.160 he's going to ignore it. However, if you're talking to 391 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.599 a person of faith, I think, A, you should cite 392 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:42.720 all the verses from the Bible, and then b we 393 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:46.799 have so many supple you know, so much supplementary exhibits 394 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:49.599 to prove to people, whether it's we can see too far, 395 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:54.200 water needs a container. But most importantly, people need to 396 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:57.240 understand all the verses in the Bible. Joshua ten thirteen, 397 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:01.319 How the sun and the moon stood still? Yeah, Genesis 398 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:04.039 one one to two one, and then it was finished 399 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.720 and the speeds and and we're spinning and moving. Yet 400 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.799 every single night, going back to the Georgia guidestones, you 401 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:12.680