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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, This is Jeff Johnson from a film by podcast,

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and you are listening to the wildly popular Surely you

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Can't Be Serious podcast. Hello everybody, and welcome back to

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the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast where we're by ed.

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Speaker 2: That's good, that's good intro.

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Speaker 1: Right there, Shirley fans. We are here today to talk

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about the Stephen King trifecta from nineteen eighty three, The

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Dead Zone, Old Yeller and Herbie Goes Bananas.

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Speaker 2: You actually stole that from me. I was gonna drop

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that later. So here's the deal. You know, we talk

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about storytelling. The thing is is that tell it to me,

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Just tell it to me different, all right? So Kujo

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so clearly is a retelling of Old Yeller.

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Speaker 1: I literally didn't talk to you about this. I know, right,

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this is funny that our brains both went there. But

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that's funny.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, go ahead, okay, And I know we did

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talk about that. Christine is actually a retelling of Herbie

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Goes Bananas, right right. And the Dead Zone I actually

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have not a retelling, but it has been retold by

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Stephen King eleven twenty two sixty three. It's about a

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man who knows the future he sets out to change.

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Speaker 1: It, right or the past sort of. Yeah, that's crazy.

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Yeah about that the future past or the past future. Yeah,

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that's good future for him, but he's in the past. Yeah,

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that's great. That's a great one. Well, you so that's

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that's a good topic. Right. So this is these are

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Stephen King books first, and then they've obviously made all

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of these into movies, and you've got a significant history

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with his books. Yeah. So my history is I can

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remember not being a big reader for most of the

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time I was in school, and then I get to

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be a freshman in high school and I'm in study

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hall and I'm sitting behind this kid who is a

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couple of years older than me, who I think is

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one of the coolest guys in school, and he's perusing

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this big old book and I'm like, you read it?

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He shows me and it's it. I'd ask him about it,

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and he just, you know, has nothing but good, powerful

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things to say about it. And I'm like, I think,

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I think this is on the bookshelf at our house.

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I'm going to go try this. And so the first

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real book that I ever picked up and read was it.

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I mean it's nine hundred and something pages long.

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Speaker 2: That's an incredible feat for your first book.

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Speaker 1: And loved it. I loved it. But I haven't really

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read many Stephen King books beyond that. There was the

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book Four Past Midnight that had like four different short

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stories in it.

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Speaker 2: One of the short stories in four Past Midnight, Yeah,

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it's called the Sun Dog, Okay, and it actually involves

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the character Ace from Stand By Me. You for Solan's character.

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Speaker 1: Okay, as an older man, okay, okay, Yeah, I might

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have might have been the one I read. I'm again,

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I was in high school, so it's been a while back.

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Speaker 2: So basically, he has this pull red camera and in

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he's taken pictures and he notices there's this dog in

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the pictures. Yeah, and for every picture it takes, it

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gets a little closer. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think I did read that. Yeah. Oh that's great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Ace finally got his.

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Speaker 2: Ace got his.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we will probably spoil the books in

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case you haven't read those, if you've only seen the movies,

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so just be aware of that these maybe books that

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you haven't read. I haven't read any of them. I

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haven't read any of these books.

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Speaker 2: I've read all three and.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear how the books vary from the movies.

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But the other Stephen King book that I've read from

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cover to cover is eleven twenty two sixty three, which

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I got from you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's my all time favorite Stephen King book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I would love to do a Top five Stephen King

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type of episode one of these days.

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Speaker 1: So I think they'd be fantastic. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Actually Kujo is what got me started on my Stephen

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King journey.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So I'm at a friend's house. It's a sleepover. They've

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got HBO and it's like, hey, you guys want to

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watch this you know, R rated movie. You know, we're

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all eleven, you know we shouldn't be doing.

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Speaker 1: This, but yeah, are rated. That means boobies, right, well

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I hoped, but h it did not mean that, not

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Speaker 2: But anyway, it captivated me. Man, I was entranced. So

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next step, because I love the movie is go check

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out the book.

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Speaker 1: Right Wow?

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Speaker 2: Okay, And as a eleven year old or twelve year

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old whatever I was when I read the book, there's

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a lot of adult themes in there that I didn't

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really understand the affair and sort of the kind of

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the nastiness of the breakup of the marriage and a

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lot of stuff involved in that that was too much

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for an eleven year old, But the storytelling and all

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that was captivating, and so I set off on my

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journey starting with Kujo. I mean, I've read it. I

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read The Stand, which is probably my second favorite book

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of all time. Of course, Skeleton Crew, Night Shift, all

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those little short story collections are awesome. I've read Salem's Lot,

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I've read Kerrie, I've read Cemetery. I basically have read

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everything he put out until I got to maybe graduate

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from college.

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Speaker 2: You talk about shook. After I read app Pupil, I

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's a poignant ending and kind

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of the same themes. We just got finished with our

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top five seventies movies to watch it Halloween and our

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Top five eighties movies to watch it Halloween, And obviously

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Stephen King was a big factor in that. I cannot

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believe we didn't bring up The Shining. I know, I

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like feel guilty, like it's a great movie, but it's

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just it's like, you got to watch this when you're

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very specifically in the mood for it, because it's so overpowering.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know famously, you know, they talk about it

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even in Ready Player one. Stephen King does not like

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the movie adaptation of The Shining.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He also doesn't really care for one of the movies

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And as it turns out, it looked like he

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was right about The Shining until I was. With most

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Stanley Kubrick movies. It starts off, it's not got a

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good reception, it doesn't do very well, and then a

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few years go by and suddenly people go, oh, this

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is a work of absolute genius. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. So I'm glad that I actually got you to

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read a Stephen King book that you enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I guess maybe The Stand is your next no

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but it's amazing, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember when the TV movie came out. I

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was nineteen ninety and the Stand was ninety four.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So anyway, we've talked to Stephen King in depth. Yep.

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novel to get published was also immediately made into a movie,

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sold it for only twenty five hundred bucks, and the

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name of that movie was Carrie. Right. As I mentioned

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in that episode, he had actually thrown this thing away

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through it in the trash, didn't like way it was going.

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and said keep going. And that's why he is the

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guy that we everyone knows today, right true, And so

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in the next five years he each earns out book

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after book after book.

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Speaker 2: Classic after classic.

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Speaker 1: Salem's Lot came out in seventy five, The Shining came

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out in seventy seven. Also in seventy seven he published

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Rage as Richard Bachmann. Then this is no longer buy

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that book now? Why because it's about a kid that

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brings a gun to a school and kills other kids.

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endorses the idea that it's no longer available. That's impressive. Okay. Anyway,

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on to less depressing topics. The Stand came out in

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seventy eight. Yep, The Long Walk came out in seventy nine.

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non Richard Bachmann book that I just mentioned, this was

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the first time that a book hit the top ten

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in the US for him. That's incredible, Right, five years later,

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all of these incredible books, and the Dead Zone is

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Speaker 2: That hits even just four years after this point. So

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seventy nine, he's got a best seller in eighty three.

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They're buying rights to his novels before they're out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well, the Dead Zone is the first novel that takes

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place in Castle Rock. Yes, then of course we also

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have Kujo, which takes place in Castle Rocks. Correct, And

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then we had Stand by Me the Dark Half and

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Speaker 2: Needful Things, I think is kind of the death of

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Speaker 1: The impression that I got was it was this town

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that was literally inhabited by all of the characters of

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Stephen King's novels. So you've you've got Ace and Gordy

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Speaker 2: You know, it's out of the gate, and I know

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we'll get into this, but Sheriff Bannerman, the law enforcement

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officer that shows up and gets killed by Kujo. That's

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the guy played by Tom Scarrett in the Dead Zone,

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the guy that they look for the Castle Rock killer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean and Frank Dodd, the Castle Rock

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Speaker 2: Right, that's right.

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you can tell me as we go on, oh hey

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this is different or this is something else. But but

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let's talk about the movies. All right. Let's start with Kujo.

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It was the first one released. So Stephen King actually

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specifically picked Lewis Tigue to direct this movie. He had

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seen a movie that Lewis Tigue had done called Alligator. Ah, yeah,

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have you seen it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And what did you think?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's Is it like fun?

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Speaker 1: Is it like piranha? I mean, is it basically like that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Because I mean Tigue referred to it as a horror spoof, like,

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not as an actual attempt at horror, but a horror spoof.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know those urban legends where somebody flushes a

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baby alligator down a toilet and then five years later

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you've got this massive alligator in the living in the

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serial system. That's what it's about. And early HBO man

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I was all about it. Yeah, it was fun.

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Speaker 1: So Stephen King hand picks Lewis Tig. Dan Blatt is

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the producer, right, It's with a particular studio that ultimately

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it doesn't end up with, and so Dan Blatt is like, Okay, sorry, Lewis,

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We're not going to be able to do this. And

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then Dan Blatt teams up with Warner Brothers and Lewis

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Tig's like, all right, we're back on, and he's like,

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they really have somebody else that they would rather use.

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And so the guy that they pick is a guy

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named Peter Medick. He's the same director who had done

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the Changeling just right before this movie came out, which

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was had done very well, and the director of photography

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was Tony Richmond. Keep in mind, there were multiple versions

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of this script written, and this is going to be

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a continuing story for all of these and usually Stephen

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King takes his swing at it at least once, and

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every single time they're like, no.

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Speaker 2: I know, right, that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, the one that Peter Medick is using

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is Barbara Turner's script, and she had included the Frank

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Dodd part in her story as the supernatural connection that's

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haunting the little boy or whatever. So Peter Medick had

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had this grand idea for how this thing was going

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to begin. He had changed the name of the town

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from cas Rock to Mendocino. I don't know what that is,

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but that's what that was what it was supposed to be,

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and it was supposed to be that you start on

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this big kind of crane shot into this stream of

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cars and then it like follows the cars and over

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to a cemetery where you see a vampire bat who's

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going to ultimately be the vampire bat that infects Kujo

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with Rabi's okay, okay, And it's such a big, complicated

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production and shot that two days into filming, Dan Blatt says,

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we're not fricking doing this and he fires Peter Meddick

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and Tony Richmond. Ye, now what do you do? You

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are you have started production at this point, right, We've

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started production. And so he calls up Lewis t because

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Lewis t had already kind of had it in his

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head that he was going to direct, and he's like,

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can you come and direct this movie?

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Speaker 2: Hey? Remember when we let you go, we need you back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he's and Lewis Tig's like, yeah, I'm available,

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Let's do it. And he goes, Okay, there's just one thing.

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You only have one day to prepare, right, and dan

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Blatt said, and I listened to silence for a second,

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and then Lewis Tigue says two days, and dan Blad says, okay,

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we'll shut down for two days, right. So in that

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two days, I can't even imagine Lewis Tigue what he's

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got to go through. Because there's a question about the cast,

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if the cast stays the same, a question about the script. Obviously,

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Barbara Turner's written one. There's been another couple of them

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that have been written. Stephen King was involved at some point,

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and he's just got to go, Okay, I like some

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of the stuff from this script, but I don't like

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this other stuff, and we're gonna rearrange all of it

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and kind of put it together. But the beautiful thing

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for him, he said, was they had cast the perfect cast.

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Right now. You kick out a director after two days,

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your crew is gonna be I mean, this is an

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independent feature, so these are non union guys. The crew

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was upset because they really love Tony Richmond, and people

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had nothing but nice things to say about Peter Medick.

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But there can't right, And so it's interesting the article

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that I read, it says Peter medic was devastated by this,

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Like he didn't walk away, he didn't quit, and he

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was like this was sad. He was true looking forward

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to this and this was a depressing moment for him.

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And it turns out his son was a production assistant.

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His son stayed on and finished as a pious assistant

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for the for the movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting Aristopher metics stayed the whole time. Yeah, well,

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good for him. I mean that shows maturity. And I

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was going to tell you, Louis Tige, here's his little catalog. Right,

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we talked about Alligator, right when he goes on to

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do Kat's Eye, Yeah, with Ju and I both enjoy, Yeah,

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very much. Another Stephen King movie. Right, he does Jewel

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Denile flash Back to our Worst Sequels of All Time

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episode couple.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, disagree with you on that one. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he does a movie called Collision Course with Jay

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Leno and Pat Marita.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh. Yeah, and he.

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Speaker 2: Does Navy Seals and the Dukes of Hazard Reunion movie.

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Speaker 1: His is not as impressive career as the other two

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directors that we're going to talk about today, that's okay,

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but he does well with what he's got, right, He

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did a great job with it, and he brings in

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a new cinematographer named Jon DuPont. H Now, I think

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we're dropping this episode on October twenty fourth, so two

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days ago for those who of you who are listening,

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it was Jon Depont's eightieth birthday. He is still with us,

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and he's he really didn't. I mean, there's some incredible

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things that you don't. I mean, it's great that you

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don't think about them, but there are some incredible things

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that they did with the camera work on this.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I watched a whole breakdown of like

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the Pinto and how they had to do the spinning

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shot through the roof of the car and they took

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the doors off and the guys were in the car

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with him all around complicated shots, and you know, he

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used fire to make it look like it was hot

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when it was actually freezing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They had a lot of cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So the story is supposed to take place

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in the hot summer, right, right, but they were actually

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filming when it was cold outside, like incredibly cold.

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Speaker 2: October, November and December in northern California.

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Speaker 1: And Dee Wallace and Danny Peturo are supposed to be

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in the heat, but they're not. But they had you know,

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there's stripped of most of their clothes, and d Wallace

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is finally like, guys, you got to put a heater

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inside the car. And then they'd start filming. They're like,

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we can't hear over the heater, so they would have

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the heater on and then they would turn it off. Yeah. So,

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like you were saying, it was supposed to be hot,

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so to give the illusion of heat coming up off

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of the ground, yonda Pont would start an actual fire

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underneath where the eye line was, so that you had

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the waves of the.

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Speaker 2: Heat coming up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's a scene where Danny is running towards

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his bed. I felt like this, like you tried to

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get you turned off your light and tried to get

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to your bed before it got dark inside. Right, absolutely.

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had two sets. Fascinating the lights are on and it's

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a regular looking bedroom. As soon as they flip the switch,

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it turns into like the bed is a football field.

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Speaker 2: Right right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Lewis Tigue says to yonda Pont, Okay, here's

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what I want to happen. I want us to follow

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him and as he jumps, we're gonna flip over and

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see it from upside down, like he's jumping into space basically,

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and yonda. Pont's like okay, yeah, okay, yeah, And so

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they rig up this entire system so that he can

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hold the camera and flip upside down as he jumps

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into the bed.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's really interesting just talking about the movie

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to the book. One of the biggest things. They kind

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of mention it in the movie. I don't think it's

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really emphasized, but this whole thing about the monster in

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the closet. Tad little boy is scared of the monster

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in his closet and his dad comes in. He says, Tad,

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there's no such things as monsters. Kujo is the actual

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like the monster from his closet who appears in real life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, the whole idea of the movie is

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a little bit different than the idea of the book

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because in the book you've got supernatural things to be

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scared of and real things to be scared of. Right

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in this movie, unlike the other two, you don't have

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a supernatural element. They took that part out, and so

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it becomes imaginary things to be scared of, sure, like

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things in the closet and potentially the not really imaginary,

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but things that trouble adults like Dee Wallace is worried about,

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you know, growing old in a tiny little town and

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never making anything of herself. And the husband is worried about,

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you know, losing all of the money to take care

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of the family, which is all of those kid, mom

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and dad. Those are all very identifiable fears.

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Speaker 2: In the book. Also, the guy she's having an affair

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with is off the range and upset, and you know,

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he's willing to trash their house and destroy their life.

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And he's a real villain in the in the book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you described to me some of the things that

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he does in the book to the pillows specifically, and uh, yeah,

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I'm glad that did not make it into the movie. Yeah,

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they did tone him down a bit, they did. Okay,

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so we kind of wandered into production. So let's let's

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back up here. Okay, So let's jump back talk about

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the Dead Zone, first of the three books that came out,

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but second of the movies that came out. Right, So

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I'm going to tell you about a guy named Peter Herkos.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you know that name?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I don't, all right.

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Speaker 1: Peter Herkos was actually born Pieter vander Hirk in May

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of nineteen eleven, and he was a Dutchman who claimed

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that he manifested ESP after recovering from a head injury

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and a coma caused by a fall from a ladder

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when he was thirty years old. Interesting, Yeah, sounds familiar, right.

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So he ends up coming to the US. He's got

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like this guy who's a financier, wealthy guy who's like,

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I want you to come, and he's one of those

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guys who will show you the ESP tricks. Fully says,

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test me, do whatever you want. I will you know,

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I will prove that I have ESP. He goes on

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the Johnny Carson Show at like three different times. I mean,

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he is a he is a celebrity in the US

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in the mid twentieth century.

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Speaker 2: Does he shake Johnny's hand and say, you want to

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know when you're gonna die? I'm gonna die, You're gonna die.

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You want to know why your sister committed Suicide's waiting

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for that.

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Speaker 1: That's perfect, okay, and so inspired by this guy's story,

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Stephen King decides to write a book about a clairvoyant. Yes,

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and that book is called The Dead Zone. Yes.

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Speaker 2: So one of the cool things about the book, the

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Dead Zone, that's not really explained fully in the movie.

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Actually thinks it's better explained in eleven twenty two sixty

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three that the future, you know, the course of time,

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is an entity that will fight back against any changes

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that is brought upon it. Oh yeah, right, yeah, we

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you know eleven twenty two sixty three, he's trying to

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stop the assassination of JFK. And time is an enemy.

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It's fighting against him changing that.

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Speaker 1: And you have that physical guy when he comes back

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each time that he comes back into present times, guy

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in the yellow hat, I mean, yeah, right, out of

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curious George, right, but yeah, and as the past changes,

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the future changes. And this is this guy's kind of

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like a timekeeper. That's his job, that's right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so in the Dead Zone, you know Johnny and

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Sarah when they go to that little carnival, they go

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to a carnival where he writes the roller coaster, you

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see that. But there's this whole section in the book

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where he he does this roulette will and he starts

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to win because he predicts he has the shining Yeah.

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So yes, psychic abilities. And of course King touches on

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this in a lot of his books. There's a lot

472
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,200
of foreshat, you know, like vision seeing and stuff like that.

473
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,960
And so Johnny begins to win, and the carnival guy

474
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,960
gets really upset and Johnny he makes up with a

475
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,680
couple hundred bucks, but he's kind of the star of

476
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,000
the carnival for a little bit.

477
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

478
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,319
Speaker 2: And the way Time fights back against him is it

479
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,759
sends that truck and after him. Okay, and so it's

480
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,640
punishment for altering time.

481
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: Well, I showed you I pulled the script that Jeffrey

482
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,519
Boham wrote. I pulled it and read maybe the first

483
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,960
twenty pages of it or so. And it starts off

484
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,519
with Johnny Smith as a kid and he's going ice

485
00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:42,799
skating for the first time, and you know, sees the

486
00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:46,039
cool kids ice skating, sees the older kids playing hockey,

487
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,799
kind of gets distracted by what's going on his first

488
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:51,480
time on the ice and ends up running into this

489
00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:55,519
big kid who's playing hockey, slams his head against the ice,

490
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,880
and that kind of is the spark that sets him off,

491
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,039
right as they're trying to get resuscitate him. Basically, he

492
00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:04,880
does the he grabs the guy's hand. I don't remember

493
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,960
what the guy's name is. He grabs the guy's hand

494
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,599
and he's like, don't jump it. Don't jump it. The acid,

495
00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:13,599
that's what he says. Yeah. And then just a little

496
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,680
while later, this guy is at his house. He's got

497
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,279
a car battery that's dead, and he gets out and

498
00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:23,720
these teenagers are driving by on the bridge and distracting him,

499
00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:26,920
and he accidentally crosses the cables and so when he

500
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,920
tries to jump it, battery acid splatters all over his

501
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,359
face and he's like, ah, and so that would have

502
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,920
been a fantastic intro for the movie, right right, And

503
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,039
then it jumps forward to Johnny's a teacher, just like

504
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,319
the movie really starts, but unlike the movie, he starts

505
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:45,240
off as a college professor and his love interest is

506
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,200
one of the students. Now he's a young professor, but

507
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,559
it's still obviously very taboo. So Sarah is a student.

508
00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:55,319
Instead of it being that he has he's driving Herbie

509
00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:59,960
the love Bug and runs into the slowest moving tanker

510
00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:04,079
in the war. Gosh, yes, instead of that it is

511
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,680
he's on it. He's on a motorcycle. Basically, it's it

512
00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:09,880
is a different introduction, but I kind of like the

513
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,240
idea of not going all the way back. But they

514
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:14,400
give us that hint when they're on the roller coaster

515
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:17,079
that he did have some sort of childhood trauma because

516
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:19,599
he's feeling a pain in his head before he ever

517
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:20,359
has that accident.

518
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so the book that's, you know, Johnny's first

519
00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:27,319
brain trauma is that that ice accident. Yeah, the ice

520
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,240
is gonna break, but it doesn't in this case, so

521
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:32,079
but comes out.

522
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,039
Speaker 1: In seventy nine, Loria mar Film Entertainment buys the rights

523
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:39,200
to the book, right, and they hire Jeffrey Boum to

524
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,319
write the script. That's the script that I read, is

525
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,000
the Jeffrey Boham script. Right. Well, yeah, we've talked about

526
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:48,200
him a couple times. He wrote Last Crusade, he wrote

527
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,160
several other fantastic.

528
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: Guy's really good man.

529
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: Is he's an all star? Wrote The Lethal Weapon Part

530
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,640
two three? Yes, he's good at taking over a franchise,

531
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,440
that's right. They also started off with an entirely different director,

532
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,079
guy named Stanley Donan. Yeah you know this guy?

533
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so this is great I can't wait to

534
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:06,839
throw this at you.

535
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: Right.

536
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:09,519
Speaker 2: So the original director of the Dead Zone. This is

537
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:12,839
the guy who directed Singing in the Rain, Damn Yankees,

538
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:14,079
Funny Face.

539
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:15,559
Speaker 1: Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.

540
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he does Saturn three out, which is you know,

541
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,720
that's science fiction, that's you know, coming into the eighties

542
00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:25,160
right there. Sure, but he directs the Dancing on the

543
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,119
Ceiling video for Lionel Richie.

544
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, my mind is blown. That's not what

545
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:32,680
I was expecting you to bring up. Well, we talked

546
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,880
about it in our Lionel.

547
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,599
Speaker 2: Richie episode where he meets the girl who then you know,

548
00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:40,640
his wife has to be called and all that stuff. Right,

549
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,720
so that's when he meets her in the Dancing on

550
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:43,880
the Ceiling video.

551
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: That's fantastic.

552
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,079
Speaker 2: You have something else?

553
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so we know that he doesn't end up

554
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:53,039
staying with Right the project. Right. So nineteen eighty four

555
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:55,920
he has a movie that comes out that we've talked

556
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,880
about multiple times. Okay, blame it on Rio.

557
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: Oh serious.

558
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: One of his very last movies was was Blaming On

559
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:07,039
and he you know you mentioned Singing the Rain. He

560
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:11,000
collaborated with Gene Kelly pretty frequently and Eventually they had

561
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,119
a falling out because he felt like gene Kelly wasn't

562
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,079
treating him as an equal despite the fact that he's

563
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,480
freaking directing singing in the rain. And then it also

564
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,480
was not so good that his ex wife ended up

565
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,559
marrying gene Kelly.

566
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: So that'll do it.

567
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a big she's a big dancing star. But anyway,

568
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:34,039
So anyway, Stanley Donnan is gone and Laura mar has

569
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,880
a bunch of failures in a row, and they basically

570
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,119
decide to shut their film things down. And then are

571
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,319
you know our go to guy in the eighties for

572
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:49,960
buying scripts, mister Dino de Laurentis snatches this one up,

573
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,680
but he hates Jeffrey Boem script.

574
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: What hey, Dino de Laurentis has given us a lot

575
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,400
of fun movies. Yeah, we've also made fun of a

576
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,720
lot of his stuff to write. Flashback to our Flash

577
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:03,200
Gordon episode Flash Gordon.

578
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:05,559
Speaker 1: Some of the stories on Dino de la Reentis for

579
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:06,240
that one are great.

580
00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:07,839
Speaker 2: Yes, I've got to give it up to this guy.

581
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,039
We know about the fact that he doesn't speak English

582
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,319
very well, right, but he comes over to American he's

583
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:14,920
trying to make movies. Yeah, okay. So one of the

584
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,400
things is he, you know, Stephen King writes a script

585
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,119
for the Dead Zone.

586
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was his idea. He was like, you know what,

587
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,920
I hate this Jeffrey Boem script. Why don't mister King

588
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:23,720
you write the script.

589
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,559
Speaker 2: I love your story.

590
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: I read it.

591
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not even good.

592
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah he writes. Yeah, King writes, and he's like, this

593
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:34,880
is convoluted. Yeah, what right? And so he asks another guy,

594
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:40,880
a guy named Anders Zolwowski. I mean he's this Polish

595
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,839
art house film guy making movies in France. He writes

596
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,359
the screenplay in Polish. Yeah, they then translate it to English.

597
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,519
But for Dino, they have to translate that to Italian. Yes,

598
00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:55,039
they don't. And they don't translate the Polish to Italian.

599
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:59,240
They translate the English translation to Italian exactly. Dino's like,

600
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,400
I don't like this at all. Yeah, so he ends

601
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,839
up going back to Boem script. But his stroke of genius,

602
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,920
I mean he's always got one he does. His stroke

603
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,839
of genius is he brings in Deborah Hill. Now we

604
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,319
had talked, we talked about her on our seventies Movies

605
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:21,079
to watch During Halloween. She was John Carpenter's girlfriend. Yep.

606
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,680
She was obviously heavily involved in movies even before him.

607
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:27,839
She had helped him with Assault on Precinct thirteen. She

608
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:32,039
and he wrote Halloween together. It was largely based on

609
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:35,279
her experience as a babysitter. Right, but I told you

610
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,160
I was watching interviews from back in the eighties when

611
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,640
these movies were about to come out. She's nice looking,

612
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,480
but she's not gorgeous. But when she starts talking, she's

613
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,720
so freaking smart. I fall in love with her. I mean,

614
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:52,599
I'm like, holy cow, this girl is a genius. She's

615
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,559
and proves it by going on to do so let

616
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:57,839
me just let me touch this all right.

617
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

618
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: So she's born in nineteen fifty works in the movies

619
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:05,640
in various positions, ends up with Assault on Preestcinct thirteen,

620
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:09,039
works on Halloween in nineteen seventy eight, also The Fog.

621
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:12,640
But she goes on forms her own independent film company

622
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,880
with a lady named Linda Oapst, and they produced Adventures

623
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,599
in Babysitting, Heartbreak, Hotel, The Fisher King. She also produced

624
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:26,240
Gross Anatomy and Clue. She worked with James Cameron back

625
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,000
when he was just there special effects she was a

626
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:31,240
freaking rock star.

627
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: Demra Hill. Yeah, go ahead is to John Carpenter what

628
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:39,039
gayl Ann heard was to James Cameron, very very fair comparison.

629
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. She actually ended up passing away of colon cancer

630
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,119
in two thousand and five, despite the fact that she'd

631
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,640
been fighting colon cancer had both of her legs amputated

632
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,359
because of the cancer. Oh man, she was still working

633
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,079
full tilt on a remake of The Fog with John

634
00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:00,799
Carpenter as well as an Oliver Stone movie called World

635
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,960
Trade Center. Whenever she ended up passing away.

636
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: That's fascinating.

637
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,759
Speaker 1: They've got this script there at least don't hate as

638
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,039
much as they did initially. They've got Deborah Hill on board.

639
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:14,319
They looked at a couple of different directors. They looked

640
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,799
at Michael Samino, who did The Deer Hunter. So, I

641
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:23,000
mean he's worked with and done great work with Christopher Walking. Yeah,

642
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,720
but he's he's out. They go to John Batham.

643
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: John Batham, Saturday Night Fever, Saturday Night Fever, and Wargames. Yeah,

644
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,200
how about that?

645
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: And they asked Cronenberg. They asked David Cronenberg to do it,

646
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:36,319
and he says, nah, right, And then they're like we

647
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,279
got Deborah Hill. He's like, Okay, I'm in, Yeah, come in.

648
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,799
That's I mean, that's it. That turned him.

649
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,279
Speaker 2: So David Cronenberg we talked about in our Halloween Movies

650
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,720
of the eighties. Yeah, I mean, this is this Guy's

651
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:51,319
directed The Brude in nineteen eighty Scanners in nineteen eighty one.

652
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:53,880
Video Drome. Have you ever seen video Drune?

653
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,519
Speaker 1: I have not seen video Drome.

654
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,559
Speaker 2: No, these are very odd. They call him bodygre Yeah.

655
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,279
The first scene in the entire movie is when the

656
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:04,839
killer commits suicide, and you only see that for a flash.

657
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, you really see him right before and then the results.

658
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:10,319
That's about all you see. You don't see the actual.

659
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: You don't see his face peel back like in the

660
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:12,839
fly right.

661
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: And he mentions, you know, clairvoyance and the movie Scanners,

662
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,799
talking about that whole idea of having an effect on

663
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:24,160
somebody with just your mind. But this was the first

664
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,160
movie that he hadn't had at least some sort of

665
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,559
partial writing involvement with the script. He worked with Jeffrey

666
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:32,599
Bohm and revised the script and condensed it about four

667
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,880
different times before they finally ended up with the final

668
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,799
draft November eighth, nineteen eighty two. By the way, his

669
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,440
original Jeffrey Boum's original script finished on the day that

670
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,359
Ron Reagan got elected, So really a few years later

671
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,880
that they end up with their their final We're going

672
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,960
to use this shooting script that was done, like I said,

673
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,720
November eighth, they start shooting January of eighty three.

674
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: This movie really is in three sections of screenplay. They

675
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,359
call it a trip Tyke, which I thought was interesting. Yeah,

676
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:00,839
so you have john his accident.

677
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: By the way, trip tyke, it's a religious symbol that

678
00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:06,039
has three parts. Just thought I throw that out.

679
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: But so you've got Johnny and his accident. Yep, You've

680
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,000
got the serial killer thread, and then you've got still

681
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:13,079
Sin's a three part story.

682
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, okay, so we've got two three

683
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:25,759
out of the way. Let's talk about Christine. Yes, So

684
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,440
you mentioned in our Best Movies for Halloween in the

685
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,839
seventies that you saw a TV adaptation movie. Yeah, a

686
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,799
TV movie of Stephen King's book called Salem's Lot.

687
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, super creepy. Right.

688
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. So one of the producers on that was a

689
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:42,799
guy named Richard Corbett's and so Stephen King actually really

690
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:46,359
loved the adaptation that he did. Stephen King says, I

691
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,359
really love what you've done. I've got some things that

692
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,480
I'm working on now that are not going to be

693
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:54,200
books until later. Would you like to see those before

694
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,079
they become books?

695
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,519
Speaker 2: Yes? Please, I'll take it whatever it is. Wow.

696
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:03,559
Speaker 1: And so, of course the first two opportunities that he

697
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,480
gets to see you book number one Kujo, I know

698
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,640
number two Christine. Yeah. Both he and John Carpenter, who

699
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,039
ends up being the director on this, both were like,

700
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,240
I can't figure out how Kujo becomes a movie, right,

701
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,599
I just don't. I don't see how that becomes a

702
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,480
scary movie. Sure. John Carpenter actually felt the same way

703
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,880
about Christine. He was like, I mean I've.

704
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,799
Speaker 2: Seen Herbie goes bananas? Yeah?

705
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,079
Speaker 1: Is is that what? He said?

706
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: No?

707
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's me, But I mean that's that was kind

708
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,519
of his That was kind of his take. He said,

709
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,680
this is his quote. It just wasn't very frightening. It's

710
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,319
a cute little car. Yeah. The reason that Stephen King,

711
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:41,839
by the way, used this plymouth fury is that he

712
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,880
felt like it had been under used in cinema and literature.

713
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:48,720
He's like, this is a really cool car. Then nobody

714
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:49,759
seems to mention.

715
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: The giant fins in the back.

716
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: This is the biggest fins for the smallest car. But

717
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,720
it was a sweet little ride.

718
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,799
Speaker 2: I did hear John Carpenter say that he had seen

719
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,079
Dual Yeah, by Steven Spielberg, and he's like, now, those

720
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:02,920
trucks were scary.

721
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a big monster truck.

722
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, But this cool little cherry red convertible thing right

723
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,480
here not that scary, right, But he gave it his best, Sean,

724
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:12,360
and I thought he did make it scary.

725
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,599
Speaker 1: It'd be like trying to make a like a baby

726
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:20,280
doll scarier. Wait a minute, that's right. Yeah.

727
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 2: And so the interesting thing I think John Carpenter takes

728
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,320
this movie as a paycheck.

729
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: Guys, please go back last season and check out o

730
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,440
comparison of Blade Runner, Et and The Thing. And one

731
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,480
of the key stories that most people know from that

732
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,000
is that The Thing was a box office failure and

733
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,400
probably would not have been but for.

734
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,039
Speaker 2: Et come out two weeks before the same thing happened

735
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:42,679
a Blade Runner.

736
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

737
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: And you talk about three movies that are revered from

738
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,960
the eighties, Yeah, we talked about it. The Thing maybe

739
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,400
the best horror movie of the nineteen eighties. Yeah, Blade

740
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,239
Runner the best science fiction movie of the eighties and

741
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,159
et maybe the best family movie the eighties.

742
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: So have you seen Video Drum? Yes, okay, did you

743
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,800
like it? No, it hasn't got that cult status.

744
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: Seat Now I did like seeing Deborah Harry vamping it

745
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,079
up a little bit.

746
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:11,599
Speaker 1: But so Cronenberg had done Videodrome and had already gotten

747
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:14,599
signed on to do The Dead Zone before it came out,

748
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,199
and so it gets released while he's in the midst

749
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,320
of directing The Dead Zone and is a dismal failure.

750
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,360
Now Carpenter had said, okay, I want to do Firestarter.

751
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,199
He had another movie that he was working as well,

752
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:29,239
but he's right, I'm going to go do Firestarter. But

753
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,480
then the thing comes out and it is this box

754
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:36,199
office bomb, and so they're like, maybe we don't do

755
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,239
that with John Carpenter right now, and so DeLay's well skepticism. Well,

756
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,320
here's the thing with fire Starter with John Carpenter.

757
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,119
Speaker 2: They said, we'll keep you, but we're cutting your budget

758
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:49,480
in half, and he's like, no, yeah, no, I can't

759
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:49,760
do that.

760
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:53,199
Speaker 1: So Richard Corbett's the producer of Salem's Lot who has

761
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,360
Christine and is wanting to make it a movie comes

762
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,639
back to him again and he's like, hey, I've still

763
00:35:57,679 --> 00:35:59,960
got this property. They had worked together on a Tea

764
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,320
TV movie called Someone's Watching Me. But Carpenter is like,

765
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,800
I'm stuck. I have to have a job. I can't.

766
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,239
You know, I've got a family to feed, you know,

767
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,320
I got to do something. And so he's like, Okay,

768
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:10,880
I'll do it.

769
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: He's to be married to Adrian Barbo, by the way,

770
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,599
at this point or ever ever, yes, he was.

771
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they weren't married, they were very I think

772
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,199
probably at this point they were probably married because remember

773
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,920
she was the sole female cast member of the thing.

774
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:28,360
She was the voice on the computer.

775
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,119
Speaker 2: That's right, that's exactly right. Yeah, I've got Adrian Barbo.

776
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:34,000
You think those boob are gonna hang around?

777
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: I got Burt Reynolds staring down.

778
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: Her shirt all day long.

779
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,039
Speaker 1: I gotta to bring home the Captain. Chaos is hanging

780
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:47,880
around a little bit. So Carpenter says, Okay, I'll do it.

781
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,679
I don't like the script. Let's bring on Bill Phillips.

782
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:53,400
And so Bill Phillips is the one that gives us

783
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,079
this script. So if you're if you're hearing Bill Phillips,

784
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:59,239
and you're like, who is that again? It's not Lawrence Casten,

785
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,760
It's not right. It's a big name that you recognized.

786
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,000
The only movie that he had done before this movie

787
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:08,119
was a movie called Summer Solstice, which was a TV movie. Yeah, yeah,

788
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,559
I have no idea what that is. So why did

789
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:11,400
Carpenter pick him?

790
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,039
Speaker 2: Because he had worked with him on Firestarter?

791
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: Right, they had been working together on Firestarter, and so

792
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,119
he was like, Okay, that's not that project is not

793
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,760
moving forward. I have another Stephen King. He's done good

794
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,559
work with Stephen King. Let's bring this guy on it.

795
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:23,079
See what he does.

796
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: That's right.

797
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,039
Speaker 1: I don't think the dialogue is bad in this. I

798
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:28,960
don't think the writing is bad. I think it's it's

799
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,679
kind of where it needs to be. So I'm a

800
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:33,679
little surprised that Bill Phillips has really done. I mean,

801
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,159
he's got a large body of work, but it's like

802
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,840
all TV movies and teleplays.

803
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,519
Speaker 2: Honest, not a lot of stuff I recognized.

804
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:45,039
Speaker 1: So Bill Phillips produces a decent script. Carpenter's onto direct

805
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:50,079
so that he can rehabilitate his reputation. And there's just

806
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,199
one more key ingredient that needs to happen, and that

807
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,880
is special effects. Unfortunately, he had just finished a movie

808
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,400
called The Thing with a guy named Roy arbur cost

809
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:04,119
Close encounters are the third kind the Thing, and now

810
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:06,280
we're about to see what he can do with a car.

811
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,199
Speaker 2: They do some amazing things with this car.

812
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Okay, so you're ready to talk casting.

813
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: Let's talk casting. Okay, Yeah, let's let's look back over

814
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,400
to Kujo. Okay, when we talk about Kujo, you got

815
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,679
to start with d Wallace d Walls Stone, right, right,

816
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,840
So she had just played Elliott's mother from E T. Yeah,

817
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,559
she's really the mom of the nineteen eighties.

818
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Right for me for sure, Like I totally totally identify

819
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,519
her with a mother figure in my head for sure.

820
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:37,039
Speaker 2: And et yep, Kujo secret admirer. One of my favorites

821
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:38,480
The Howling, The Howling.

822
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:40,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, not that she's a mom in that, but right

823
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:46,800
memorable carrying part. Yeah, critters, critters, I can't believe.

824
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: Of course I did. And so she's in it to

825
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,000
play Donna Tritton. Now in the book, you know, she's

826
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,360
slumming around with this guy. She's having this affair and

827
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,159
it's kind of this.

828
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,079
Speaker 1: He was the guy who was in the howling with her.

829
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: I know, well that's it's her real life husband. Ah right, Yeah,

830
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,400
that's right. I thought that was kind of cool.

831
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: By the way, he passed away at only fifty five

832
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,000
when he died.

833
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 2: She does a great job as the mother. I just

834
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,360
don't see her as the sex kitten.

835
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,599
Speaker 1: Well, and that's not the way that she plays it.

836
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:19,199
I mean she's got a long, not form fitting red nightgown.

837
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: I mean, buttoned up all.

838
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really like June Cleaver having an affair,

839
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,320
is what it was? What it seems like, right, it

840
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,199
is right, And you don't even really completely realize what's

841
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,119
going on until she puts her panties on, that's right,

842
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:34,800
which you don't see because the nightgown goes all the

843
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,920
way to her ankles.

844
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: They actually do a pretty cool job of like slow

845
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,639
revealing that you're like, wait a minute, what she's getting

846
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:46,079
out of bed with that guy? Yeah, she's holding her panties.

847
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,519
What the heck is going on here?

848
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,079
Speaker 1: Yeah?

849
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm offended for Vic, right, and so Vic Vic Trentton,

850
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,559
her husband, the guy who is driving around the nice

851
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:58,199
car while she has the piece of crap pinto which takes.

852
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:02,039
Speaker 1: Any this week I'm watching this movie, and I'm like,

853
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,400
she's having an affair. And then I'm like, he's driving

854
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,880
a Jag and she's driving a Pinto, and I'm like,

855
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:11,119
I'm looking these things up right now, Ladies and gentlemen,

856
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,920
from the same dealership, you can get a nineteen seventies

857
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,199
model Jag for one hundred and nineteen thousand dollars, or

858
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:21,960
you can get a nineteen seventies Pinto for eighty five

859
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:22,519
hundred dollars.

860
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,679
Speaker 2: No wonder if she's having an affair.

861
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: Exactly having an affair too.

862
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,039
Speaker 2: So Vic Trenton is played by Daniel Hugh Kelly. He

863
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:32,920
was from soap operas and stuff like that.

864
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I pointed out to you that he was later

865
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,280
after this in Hardcastle and McCormick.

866
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: That's right. Dee Wallace said he was really nervous. He

867
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,119
saw this as his big break and so he really

868
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:44,760
wanted to be good and so he kind of leaned

869
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,920
on her, and you know, she's a movie star.

870
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:50,679
Speaker 1: So he did a good job in this, and I mean,

871
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,519
he's an interesting looking guy. He's a handsome guy. I'm

872
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:56,519
really surprised that he kind of just went back into

873
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:58,960
TV after and maybe that's was his choice. I don't know,

874
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,840
but I'm surprised he didn't have a bigger movie career

875
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:02,239
after this.

876
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a good job. Then, of course you've

877
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,840
got Danny Pintero, which we talked about, who plays Tad. Now,

878
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:11,280
Tad in this movie is a six year old boy. Yeah,

879
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,000
who's incredibly annoying the entire time.

880
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: See you say that, and he's supposed to be.

881
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: He is supposed to be.

882
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be. I mean, I genuinely think that

883
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:23,039
for a six year old, this kid gave the performance

884
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:26,400
of a life. Did I mean it is because at

885
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,159
no point am I thinking this is just an actor

886
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:31,920
fake in this. I'm thinking this is exactly what a

887
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,079
six year old. This is exactly how they would react

888
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,440
if all of this was going on, no doubt, And

889
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,159
just I didn't mention this before. I didn't see any

890
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:43,800
of these movies at the time they came out. I

891
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,599
saw Christine I Believe in the nineties, and I saw

892
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,679
Kujo and The Dead Zone. Within the last two weeks,

893
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,679
I was looking, you know, I looked up Danny Peturo

894
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,840
to see I was like, oh, who's the boss kid?

895
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,320
Of course, right yea? And I looked at how old

896
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,480
he was. He was literally, he's literally likes than six

897
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,559
months younger than I am. At the time that Kujo

898
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:04,880
came out, I was the same age as this kid,

899
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:08,360
and you were incredibly annoying, probably so whining and fussing

900
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,880
and watch your daddy. Yeah right, by the way. I

901
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,239
know that we're not there yet, but that scene, Lewis

902
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,679
Tigue talked about cutting. They saw it and it was

903
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,400
such a you know, uh whoa we don't want to

904
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,800
hate the yeah, we don't character, And Dee Wallace was like, no,

905
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,800
this is this is exactly how a parent would react

906
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,719
because at some point, even though you love these kids,

907
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,039
you're in a situation where the stress builds and builds

908
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:37,960
and builds in it just comes out like a volcano. Yeah, yep,

909
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:41,119
she erupted, Yep, she erupted. Okay, And then you've got

910
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,280
I mean, you've got some side characters. But you know,

911
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,400
Christopher Stone we talked about he is Steve. That's the

912
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,159
guy she's having an affair with. Huh.

913
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:53,039
Speaker 2: He's vised tennis buddy, backstabbing tennis buddy, kind of handyman

914
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:57,679
around town, the sheriff. And Kujo that's killed. His name's

915
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:01,360
George Bannerman. Okay, so Sandy Ward plays George Bannerman I

916
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,719
mentioned earlier. Kujo actually kills him when he goes out

917
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:07,960
to check on a lead to find Donna and Tad

918
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:11,039
finds them. Of course there he also finds a disgusty, nasty,

919
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:14,000
crazy dog and gets killed. That's the same guy from

920
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:14,639
the Dead Zone.

921
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: He's oh, the character is the same character.

922
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, the character is played by Tom Scarrett in the

923
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,400
Dead Zone. Yeah, and he and Johnny Smith are walking

924
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,559
around trying to find the serial killer. But you have

925
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,800
thirteen different Saint Bernard dogs.

926
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,079
Speaker 1: Well, you had Billy Jacoby as Brett Camber, the kid

927
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:34,719
who's he's been in quite a few things.

928
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,559
Speaker 2: He had, he's the brother in just one of the

929
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:39,840
guys about that.

930
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: The pervy little that's a great part for him. I know,

931
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,559
right that he was in Parker Lewis, Can't Lose and

932
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:47,440
a ton of other stuff.

933
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, he was speckled throughout the eighties. But

934
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,599
then you have thirteen different dogs who play Kujo. Well, yeah,

935
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,719
And that's the funny thing is that nobody can tell

936
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,679
you exactly how many dogs, Like everybody remembers a different

937
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:04,679
number of dogs, right, and you had real dogs at

938
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,639
least five of those.

939
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,599
Speaker 1: You had mechanical dogs. You had a guy in a

940
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:09,440
dog suit.

941
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: Yep, that's right.

942
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:14,079
Speaker 1: And there's a great picture, like behind the scenes picture

943
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:17,760
of d Wallace and I think it was Lewis Tigue

944
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:20,800
and the guy and the dogs doing like a but

945
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:21,599
you know, like.

946
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:22,119
Speaker 2: A high kick.

947
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the chorus girl kick. It's it's pretty good.

948
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny. One of the issues they actually had

949
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,000
on set is that Saint Bernard's are super friendly dogs, right,

950
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,719
super friendly. They're like dealing with the labor retrouver. Now,

951
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,559
they'll do what you take, you say, but they'll wag

952
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:38,719
their tail to the entire time.

953
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,079
Speaker 1: Right.

954
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 2: They had to tie down his tail so it would wag.

955
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then.

956
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: You know, getting them to bark, and you know they're

957
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,519
they're teasing it with a toy and he's trying to

958
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:48,400
get the toy through the window. And they had to

959
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,400
put this egg white and sugar, you know, concoction all

960
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,239
over the dog's face and you had to film quick

961
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,800
because the dog would spend the next ten minutes licking

962
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,719
it all off their face.

963
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: Right. The animal control guy is named Gary Morgan. When

964
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,599
he got the job, he was like a Saint Bernard,

965
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,159
you mean, the ones that rescue people in the Alps

966
00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:11,239
with a little whiskey barrel underneath their gin. The sweet, kind, lovable, fuzzy.

967
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,440
By the way, Tad has a Saint Bernard doll in

968
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,280
his room, you can see it. But he's like, they

969
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,239
don't really train those dogs. How about we do it Doberman.

970
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,519
Doberman's are mean and easily trained, and they're like, it's

971
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:27,119
going to be a Saint Bernard.

972
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,119
Speaker 2: And she's already made the man in the costume over.

973
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: Here, and so yeah, so he had to he had

974
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,760
to figure out how to train half a dozen or

975
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,119
so real dogs that they had. But they said he

976
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,119
was just a genius about it. His daughter, I think,

977
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:44,039
is doing animal stuff in movies now, Teresa Morgan, you.

978
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,079
Speaker 2: Know I told you I watched some videos on rabies. Yeah,

979
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:50,239
and so it's a it's a neurological disease. One of

980
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,159
the things I learned about is that there's this barrier

981
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:57,559
that some viruses can get into your brain, and once

982
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,480
it gets in there, your body's immune system can't fight it.

983
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:03,880
I saw raccoons with rabies and I could not stop

984
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,239
laughing because they're trying to capture him in a trash

985
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,840
dumpster and stuff, and they are going bananas and they're

986
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,960
foaming at the mouth and they're aggressive and they're attacking it.

987
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,000
But I saw a skunk. He couldn't stand up, he

988
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:20,960
was falling over, and Kujo looks nothing like any of

989
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:21,480
these animals.

990
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: So well, you and you would talk to me about

991
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,039
how in the book you actually get you get the

992
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,639
Saint Bernard's get Kujo's perspective on it, like you're he's

993
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,320
he is lovable. Like they start the movie with a

994
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,039
very lovable Disney esque kind of scene where he's chasing

995
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,679
this rabbit around in the green field and it's all

996
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:42,880
pretty and warm. But you said in the book, like

997
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:47,840
you see his mental deterioration as he kind of narrates

998
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,639
his perspectives.

999
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: True, It's true. He looks at the man and the

1000
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,840
boy and he recognizes them and loves them, and he

1001
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,039
wants to be a good boy. And the real villain

1002
00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:01,039
of this story is the virus. Okay, So let's talk

1003
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:04,719
about casting for The Dead Zone. Okay. So on The

1004
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,559
Dead Zone they hire the amazing Christopher Walking to play

1005
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,760
Johnny Smith. Do you know who Stephen King wanted to

1006
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,440
play this role.

1007
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:18,679
Speaker 1: Now, Bill Murray, I could see that. How about that?

1008
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,639
I could see that. I mean, Christopher Walking has got

1009
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,639
a creepiness that Bill doesn't have. I think that baby

1010
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:28,239
Bill would have probably been a little too lovable. But no,

1011
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,239
I could see him. I could see him doing that.

1012
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: Hey, you know when we talk about the alternate video store,

1013
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,320
we could go rent these movies and the alternate universe.

1014
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,239
This is one of those. At the top of my list.

1015
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,159
I want to see Bill Murray as Johnny Smith. And

1016
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,719
you know, the whole premise of this book came about

1017
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,039
from Stephen King's question, could I make an assassin a

1018
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:47,559
good guy? And he does? Right?

1019
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he does.

1020
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:51,599
Speaker 2: And who is more lovable than Bill Murray, asked Chevy Chase.

1021
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:56,440
I mean, he'll tell you. But David Cronenberg he wanted

1022
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,719
Nicholas Campbell to be the lead to play with Johnny Smith.

1023
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,559
Nicholas Campbell was the lead from the movie The Brood,

1024
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,519
which was a David Cronenberg movie. Uh huh, And so

1025
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,440
they had worked together before and He's like, how about

1026
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,320
this guy? And they're like, we don't know who that is, right,

1027
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:11,519
And so he hired him. He's the guy who plays

1028
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,480
Frank Dot Oh yeah, okay, I got you. Yeah, that's right.

1029
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,719
Brook Adams plays Sarah in this so pretty.

1030
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: I think she's just got a very genuinely pretty face,

1031
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,199
great cheekbones.

1032
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's pretty and lovable and you can see her

1033
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:28,679
as the motherly character and she vamps it up a

1034
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,280
little bit for Johnny and sure.

1035
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,119
Speaker 1: You know I go with that. Yeah, she was an

1036
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:36,280
invasion of the Body Snatchers with Donald Sutherland. Yeah, but

1037
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,000
she's married to Tony Shaw. You know that is the

1038
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:44,880
guy monk Yeah, monks wings. Yes, Oh my gosh, she's

1039
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,039
been married to him since nineteen ninety two, so they're

1040
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:49,079
thirty one years in.

1041
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: Now, apparently there's a WWF wrestler name Brook Adams major

1042
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,440
hot too.

1043
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1044
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,159
Speaker 2: So then you've got Tom Scarett, who plays George Bannerman.

1045
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:02,519
We talked about him already. That's Viper from Top Gun. Yes, right, Yes,

1046
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:05,599
they originally wanted hal Holbrook to play that character, right,

1047
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,079
which I thought that was pretty cool.

1048
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, how Holbrook had just finished up with Creep Show

1049
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,400
from that's righting, right.

1050
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,079
Speaker 2: That's right. This is one of the ones that I

1051
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:15,840
find really interesting. Herbert Lohm plays Sam Weezak.

1052
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:17,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the doctor.

1053
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:19,079
Speaker 2: He's Johnny's friend, he's Johnny's doctor.

1054
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:20,039
Speaker 1: Man.

1055
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: He is so lovable in this. And he is the

1056
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,159
bumbling nothing goes right inspector from the Pink Panther movies.

1057
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: Right, and he's the inspector or commissioner.

1058
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: He's chief Inspector Dreyfuss. He is so frickin funny in

1059
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,159
the Pink Panther movies and in this he's just totally

1060
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,880
just a lovable doctor. Yeah, he's the one that goes crazy.

1061
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,239
He's always trying to kill clues out.

1062
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: You can't get rid of him. Got to kill him,

1063
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,519
that's right, that's right.

1064
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: And then of course you've got Martin Sheen who plays

1065
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:49,159
Greg Stilson.

1066
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sheen had come off he he had played

1067
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,320
JFK I think earlier in his career in something Okay.

1068
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:00,880
He's good as this as the slam politician. And then

1069
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,000
of course he goes on to be the president in

1070
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:06,199
the West Wing, which goes years and years. It's he's

1071
00:50:06,639 --> 00:50:08,119
good in that in that spot.

1072
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I saw an interview with Stephen King and he

1073
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,000
was comparing Greg Stillson to Donald Trump in the interview

1074
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,159
that I watched. He takes a lot of credit for

1075
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:20,280
forecasting this sort of snake oil salesman who rises to

1076
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,320
the White House, you know, right, kind of interesting. All right,

1077
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,599
So that about wraps up the cast for the Dead Zone. Yep, okay,

1078
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,079
let's flip over to Christine.

1079
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: Sounds good, started up? Her name is Christine? Okay.

1080
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:41,119
Speaker 2: So the main actor in Christine is a guy named

1081
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:41,719
Keith Gordon.

1082
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays Ernie Cunningham or Cuntingham if you're a

1083
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,239
school bully.

1084
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: That's right. If you'll remember we talked about this in

1085
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:52,920
our Footloose episode. They had originally hired Kevin Bacon to

1086
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:53,679
play this character.

1087
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then he had to go. Guys, I'm sorry,

1088
00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:58,679
but he had.

1089
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,039
Speaker 2: To make a decision. He was our already hired to

1090
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:04,360
play Arnie for Christine when Footloots came knocking.

1091
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:06,639
Speaker 1: How different a movie would this have been had you

1092
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,480
had Kevin Bacon in the Ernie Cunningham position'd be different?

1093
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:13,360
I mean he's taller, he's better looking. I don't know

1094
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,440
that he would pull off nerd like Ernie Cunningham does.

1095
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:18,599
I'm with you, man, I don't know how that like

1096
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,360
Keith Gordon does yep.

1097
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: Then you've got John Stockwell, who plays Arnie's best friend,

1098
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,360
Dennis Yep, Cougar from Top Gun.

1099
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: Cougar from Top Gun.

1100
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,639
Speaker 2: Right, and he's been in some stuff. He was in

1101
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,079
my science project. I saw an interview with him. He's

1102
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:34,360
playing the jock, the football player, the cool kai in school. Yeah,

1103
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:38,159
he's like all that fabricated, nothing like me, totally knew

1104
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:39,159
nothing about that world.

1105
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: But I thought he pulled it off perfectly.

1106
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he looks like the cool high school guy.

1107
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean. And the other thing is he had

1108
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:48,079
just graduated from college, so he's he's four years older.

1109
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:50,480
A lot of times, the reason the guys are popular

1110
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:53,440
is because they're bigger and more mature, and so now

1111
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,199
he's got that going for him. But it's interesting, both

1112
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,760
of these guys don't really do much acting at all anymore.

1113
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,719
They both become writer, producer, directors. That's right.

1114
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,599
Speaker 2: I saw Keith Gordon when they were asking him about

1115
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:07,519
this character. Yeah, he initially took it. He's like, oh,

1116
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,239
this is my chance to play doctor Jackyll and mister Ryde.

1117
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,599
Yeah that was really cool, you know, a great way

1118
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:13,199
of looking at it.

1119
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes through a major transformation and he and

1120
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,719
he is, I mean, he to me is more goof

1121
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,239
more goofy looking, more nerdy looking, but he still kind

1122
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,079
of pulls off the cool kid when he does start

1123
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,119
you know, when he makes his change. Yeah, when he

1124
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,639
becomes Doctor Jekyll, he kind of he kind of pulls

1125
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:32,840
off the coolness.

1126
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:35,199
Speaker 2: By the way. Keith Gordon Thornton Millen's son and back

1127
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,960
to school, yes, Jason, Yeah, the guy who is wants

1128
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:40,000
to be on the diving team.

1129
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:41,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

1130
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: And then you've got the beautiful Alexandra Paul Yes, who

1131
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:46,599
is nineteen when she was hired to do this.

1132
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,199
Speaker 1: This is her first kind of big deal. Was not

1133
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,559
significantly trained as an actress, said she'd never read, never

1134
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,360
read a Stephen King book before, but read this one

1135
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,199
when she got the part so that she could get

1136
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,239
a kind of deeper understanding of the character.

1137
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. She's so beautiful that I struggled to see Arnie

1138
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,559
and her together, and I know that's part of the Well, just.

1139
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: Keep in mind she was kind of the homely one

1140
00:53:11,679 --> 00:53:16,320
on Baywatch, so there's a maybe there.

1141
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:18,519
Speaker 2: She's homely then you know, well, I.

1142
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: Mean when you're standing next to and they're running. I

1143
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,119
like to watch it when they're running.

1144
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,159
Speaker 2: He is thinking about the running.

1145
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,679
Speaker 1: Yes, mean oh man, yeah.

1146
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:38,159
Speaker 2: Donnaderico, Oh gosh, Cameron or common Electra and yeah, so anyway, yes,

1147
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,079
but but for this, for nineteen year o, yes, she

1148
00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:41,119
is stunning.

1149
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:46,079
Speaker 1: However, you got Kelly freaking Preston knocking on your door

1150
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,360
begging you, right, and and you're like whatever, what what?

1151
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: I I she is totally wasted in this.

1152
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she's so well But I I think

1153
00:53:58,039 --> 00:54:01,360
that that was their intent because I know, I mean,

1154
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:04,239
I know looking back that there were girls in high

1155
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,440
school who were gorgeous who I just didn't look at

1156
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:10,360
because of some reason that I can't explain at this point.

1157
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,800
Who Now, I'm like, ah, she was so unto me

1158
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,280
and I was such an idiot back.

1159
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 2: It's probably because she's a sophomore and you're a senior

1160
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,280
or something dumb like.

1161
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: That, right, right, And so I think you're the idea

1162
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:24,239
was You're you're feeling the same way where you're like

1163
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:27,320
you want to grab you want to grab Dennis by

1164
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,119
the by his letterman jacket and go, what's wrong with you?

1165
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: She's begging you to ask her out? Yeah, So she's Roseanne.

1166
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:38,239
She's a friend of Dennis, and she like makes googly

1167
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,440
eyes at him, and then we leave her. We never

1168
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see her again, nothing ever happens.

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Speaker 1: Well, you see her on the sideline as a cheerleader,

1170
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and even though she is in rather a bulky kind

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of sweater thing, she still looks amazing. Kelly Preston, Happy

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birthday today. By the way, we're recording on the October thirteenth,

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her birthday.

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Speaker 2: If you want to hear us, goat got a little

1175
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,760
more about Kelly Preston. Go back to our tw episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the last thing about that movie.

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Speaker 2: You also have Robert Prosky, who plays Will the garage owner.

1178
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we just got done talking about Last Action Hero.

1179
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He was the movie operator.

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Speaker 2: Ticket taker, and he's also the one of the guys

1181
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:20,679
in the Great Outdoors and he's also like the TV

1182
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,360
production guy and missus doubtfire.

1183
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Speaker 1: I don't think you want those kids kissing him? Why not?

1184
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He's just old. He's been dead for an hour.

1185
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Speaker 2: And then you've got Harry Dean Stanton.

1186
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Speaker 1: Oh, good old Harry Dean Stanton from Alien and a

1187
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million other things where he's a bad guy but he

1188
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:42,360
hit John Carpenter up and he was like, I don't

1189
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,360
want to play a bad guy King.

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Speaker 2: He's awesome, man.

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00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: He does a great job as a cop in this one.

1192
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:46,840
Very good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You might remember him from Red Dawn where he's telling

1194
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,679
the boys to avenge me. Okay, a couple of guys

1195
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I want to mention before we leave this. But you

1196
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have William Ostrander, who plays Buddy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We talked about how he looks exactly like a seventies

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era bully.

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00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, there was a guy who lived next door

1201
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,800
who is one of those guys for me, you know,

1202
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:11,760
always leaned over his hood of his I can't remember.

1203
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,400
I think it was a Camaro blue Camaro, seventies model

1204
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,400
Camaro and just was a piece of crap, just an

1205
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,639
absolute had the pube stash until he was nineteen, right,

1206
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,239
just a crud hoole.

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00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all know guys like that.

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00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:26,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:30,599
Speaker 2: We also want to mention a guy named Stephen Tash. Okay,

1210
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he's one of Buddy's minions. He plays a guy named Richie.

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Speaker 1: Why are we mentioning Steven Tash?

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00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: You might remember him from a little movie called Ghostbusters.

1213
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He's the guy at the beginning he's chewing the gum

1214
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:46,599
he's like a couple of wavy lines and he's like, Oh,

1215
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:49,480
I'm studying the effect of the effect. I'll tell you

1216
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:55,079
what the effect is. It's pissy me off. He's great

1217
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:57,519
in this as one of the little toadies.

1218
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't forget about Roberts Blossom.

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Speaker 2: Man, Oh, I know, right, how did I miss him?

1220
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,559
Speaker 1: All right? So Roberts Blossom we all know from Home

1221
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:09,800
Alone as the guy next door, scary neighbor with a

1222
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,920
shovel who saves him at the end. So he plays

1223
00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:16,719
the brother of Roland Lebay, George Lebay, who's selling the

1224
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,719
car right and is very creepy. He says he's stone dead.

1225
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That's why.

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Speaker 2: He's got that weird, dirty like backbrace that he.

1227
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:29,119
Speaker 1: Wears, and he doesn't give an explanation for that.

1228
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 2: He is scary in this.

1229
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,679
Speaker 1: That character is actually his brother's character is the one

1230
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:37,440
that's supposed to be possessing the car, but they changed

1231
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:41,199
that feature and so there are a ton of things

1232
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,840
like that that are different from the book to the movie.

1233
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But we will get into all of that on our

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next episode. Okay, guys, that does it for casting. Be

1235
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:51,480
sure to come back next week. Where are going to

1236
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:55,320
talk about the distinction and differences between the books and

1237
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,400
the movies a little bit. We're going to talk about

1238
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,920
the stories that led to them, We're going to talk

1239
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,400
about the stories of production reception, and then we're going

1240
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,960
to give you our final judgment. And in addition to that,

1241
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:10,159
we've got a question, what are your three favorite Stephen

1242
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,519
King works that have become movies or TV series?

1243
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: Fantastic, I can't wait for you to show me. Come

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00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:24,000
back next week.