Speaker 1: What is up?
Speaker 2: Fellasiko's I Am Dana Valley coming at you with Mark
Jensen of the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame
of Forbes's, fame of HBO Max fame, and of course
of Only Fans celebrity. We did our Eastern Conference rookie
check in already.
Speaker 1: Go check out that episode.
Speaker 2: A lot of fun, a lot of nerdy, dorky stuff
in there. We're about to get nerdier and dorkier with
the Western Conference rookies. Uh, this is more exciting, I
think for me at least than the Eastern Conference. Class
was still some names in the East that we're worth
talking about, but the crop of talent in the Western Conference,
for me at least, was a lot more fun to scout.
Before we get started, and Mort and I will bounce around,
We'll take turns picking you know, which rookies, which teams
we end up talking about moret Are you doing you
know what?
Speaker 1: Man? I am doing good. I'm doing very well because
and I told this to Brian Saporik, who asked me
the same question question our neutral buddy on Friday when
we're doing a podcast, and I told her I'm probably
gonna chinx it now, but I haven't been six for
sick for a month and a half, so I just
to unchinxit. I'm gonna save for the second time because
I could just see myself having jinxed it on Friday.
Now here on Tuesday, I'm going to save it for
a second time. Hopefully it unjinkses the whole thing. That's
how it works.
Speaker 2: That's bold because we're entering peak flu cold COVID season anyway,
So that was very bold of you speaking of peak
flu season. This is being released on Thanksgiving in America,
So happy Thanksgiving today everybody who celebrates. We hope you
enjoy it and have some fun listening to Hardwood Knox
and the NBA podcast.
Speaker 1: Is there?
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you this when we did the East though. More,
when you're evaluating rookies in general, are there?
Speaker 1: I tend to I make a joke that I just
go off vibes.
Speaker 2: Which is really just me saying I assign a lot
of value to the eye test, but certain things where it's, oh,
if they were supposed to be really good at.
Speaker 1: This and this is really bad might raise my eyes.
Speaker 2: But is there any thing specifically that you look for
that maybe you throw out the window in evaluating rookies
because I think year one in year two they might
be the most fun seasons to evaluate because.
Speaker 1: You're not working with much, But at the same time,
they might.
Speaker 2: Also be the most complicated seasons to evaluate because you
don't know what to read into, what baseline to work off.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you included the second year. I think I
always find that the hardest to evaluate because you know,
you can come into the league and have a great
rookie year, then we don't really know who you are
if you then struggling in year two. And the primary
example of this is Haimi Hakis right now. Yet we
just did not know what was going on there. He
came in as a rookie, did really really well, looked
like at times a borderline NBA player in year two,
and now he's what like the leading seasons he has
the rotation last year for the heat at one point. Yeah, exactly.
So it's that year two for me is a lot
more difficult, and I think for me it's just fun.
I think you kind of nailed it with the rookie year.
Like I just I don't put too much stock into
it because I know that they're young, they're coming into
a new environment. What I have noticed before I actually
answer your question though, is and I want to give
rookies this compliment. For a long time, rookies who came
in were just bad defenders, like horrendous defenders, just very
very poor. We've seen a pretty sharp flip of that
over the past, I want to say, five to six years, Like,
there are a lot of rookies coming in now who
are quality NPA defenders. I'm really impressed with how they've
closed that gap so soon, So I want to give
them that. But there's one thing I'm looking for in
terms of like the eye test format, hesitation. Just does
the player hesitate? Is when he gets the ball and
he's just like a little open, does he grab it
and look or does just does he grab that thing
and just shoots the shoot the heck out of it?
Because the guys who do that are usually usually the
ones who end up doing well. Like I think, to
be a star in this league, you do have to
have some level of irrational confidence, like even as a rookie,
where your game might not be necessarily at that stage,
but your mentality just keeps going with it until your
level just increases year by year by year, and suddenly
your blatant arrogance is actually as high as your own
level of game. And then that's when that person becomes
a star. So just being able to make decisions, quick
decisions with the ball, being able to just be determined
and say, yeah, I know exactly what I'm going to
try to do. Even if they fail, Like VJ Edgcombe,
I'm gonna give him this. I know we're gonna talk
about like the West thing, but we talked about last
time around. He took he takes too many you know,
pull up twos and whatnot. I don't necessarily hate it
every single time, Like, yeah, he has some Kobe shots
where you're like, oh oh, but when he gets to
a point where oh yeah, I can just load up
here and take this shot. Sure, why not? Like if
he gets that down, I don't hate it. Like it's
not like it's right.
Speaker 2: It's like getting mad at Ace Bailey for taking a
step back three when you think it driving lane is open.
It's allowed them to explore that space right as a
rookie and it but it's it works in the inverse
for me too, And Ace Bailey is a good example
to where when we get to him, I want to
see the Jazz have him do more things on his
own or run more places for him. I actually I
viewed as super encouraging because just the narrative coming out
of school for him was all over the place. And
I think you looked at this Utah roster, looked at
what people were saying coming out of the draft, and
thought he would dominate the ball, could be hijacking the offense.
And he hasn't been passive by any stretch, but the
fact that he is filling in those gaps and trying
to work is part of that larger ecosystem.
Speaker 1: I give a ton of credit to it.
Speaker 2: But then I'm also sitting here, Well, it's good that
Kiante George is having a good season. It's good that
the Jazz want to test out Walter Clayton Junior is
a playmaker, Larry Market is having a great year. But
I want more on ball Ace Bailey, and the answers
is yes, but again that's what makes the rookie years
fun and also a.
Speaker 1: Little bit complicated. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think this isn't really a pick for either
of us, but I think that we should just start
with a rookie that no one has really ever heard of,
and that would be Cooper Flag of the Dallas Yeah,
of the Dallas Mavericks. What have been your initial impressions
of him? Mort And are you let me ask you
this first, are you all in the camp of people
who are disappointed that Cooper Flag currently is not running
away with the Rookie of the Year award.
Speaker 1: Look, I can't be in any way shape of form
disappointed in a player who's getting played entirely out of
position by Jason Kidd to a point where I think
it's hurting him this year. He's is he the youngest
player in the league.
Speaker 2: If not, he's like the second youngest or not even
nineteen yet He's right exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think that is just too much, too soon,
throwing him in as point guard. Like I get, I
know these stats are noisy as hell, but according to
Basketball Reference, he's played zero zero percent of his minutes
at the four, and two percent of his minutes at
the three, seventy seven percent at the two, and twenty
one percent at the one. Where I'm just like, yeah,
even when they've moved, they've now been able to move
away from like we've seen a little bit more of
Ryan Nemhard, we saw Brandon william even as they move
away from Cooper flag quote unquote point guard. They're not
playing him in his optimal position right yet. And I
think that's probably reflected just as much he's I think
he's been really good defensively. You want to make that clear, Yeah,
but you look at the defensive playmaking, it would probably
be a lot higher and even more impactful if he
was in the right role or had a different like
personnel collection around him, right, Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, look,
when you're playing that farther away from the basket and
you have to guard like wings and like, yeah, that
was always going to be part of his job, but
I wanted him to become more of like a free
roaming defender because I think that's where he's best. He's
just not getting that treatment right now by the coaching staff.
So I think what he's done despite being played out
position is incredibly, incredibly impressive. I just I am not
sitting here and being disappointed at anything he's done at all.
I'm if anything, I'm just in awe at how he
continuously takes that challenge and goes all right, well, this
is this is certainly something that's over my head at
this point, but like, I'm gonna keep going at it.
I think his mentality is super refreshing, and I think
the coaching staff is wrong having thrown him into the
deep end this soon. I think this should have been
a year two thing, or at the very least, I
hope that they make a change after like the half
seasoned mark and say, Okay, like we've tested him out
that way, now let's go get him into a more
of a play finish your role, because I think that
is going to be his primary scoring avenue. I don't
think it's going to be, hey, let me create stuff
off the triple consistently. No, I think he needs a
playmaker who can also set him.
Speaker 2: Up and that I don't know how much of that
to put on the coaching staff as much as the
front office, the Nico Harrison era.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, no, that's that's the front dosh. Yeah yeah,
And like that.
Speaker 2: Now it's on Michael Finley and Matt McCarthy to turn
over the roster and put him in a position where
he can be at least blend the idea of him
being a play starter and play finisher better, and they have.
To this point, what I've really liked about him, I mean,
like the defense is to me is mostly as advertised.
I wouldn't have much to add there. He's already the
two things that stand out for me. He's kind of
a whiz at sniping those outlet passes in the back
court where where the offense doesn't really think that anyone's
gonna try anything, which is weird in this era where
it feels like everyone's full court pressing more and it's
fun to watch smaller guards or ball handlers just think
that they can take him off the dribble and get
by him, and then either one not or two they do,
and then he's just gonna block their shot from behind
at the basket anyway. So the defense, he's gonna be
spectacular on defense. Yes, offensively, he's been I think better
than people are giving him credit for. He is quietly
shooting thirty five point five percent on self created threes
and just eighteen point four percent off the catch. There's
a lot of noise there. I think a lot of
that is defense are gonna sag off him, So those
are kind of slowed ruble pull ups.
Speaker 1: He's taking the catch.
Speaker 2: And shoots the quality of them when you look at
who is feeding him the ball. But I think it's
good the fact that he has, Oh, he can hit
the methodical pull up three. He's also his finishing at
the rim sixty five percent isn't great for someone at
quote unquote his position, whatever that is, but mort he
ranks in the fourteenth percentile of shot quality at the
basket because of the way the mats are built. So yeah,
I'll take sixty five percent finishing at the rim. He's
twelve nineteen on floaters, so he has some touch, and
he's fifty percent on twos in the paint that aren't
in the restricted area. The league average on those shots
is forty four percent. I think this is someone who's
already a little bit more well rounded offensively than he's
getting credit for. The efficiency in full has yet to
catch up, and I can sort of only imagine, well,
what would it look like if he was just in
more lineups where he was whether you want to call
it the day facto four or not, but where it's
not as many floor spacing liabilities around him and or,
I mean, would be optimal. But I'll even take or
the best player getting him the ball? Is who who
is the best player on the Mavericks getting Cooper Flag
the ball right now? So if Kyrie Irving does come
back this season, that will be really fun to see.
Speaker 1: I have zero disappointments with Cooper Flag.
Speaker 2: I think the fact that he's not running away with
Rookie of the Year, it's certainly on the mass roster construction.
I think it also just says more about Contin Nipple
VJ Edgecombe specifically, and some of the other guys will
ultimately talk about.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, you said sixty five percent of the rim
conversion rate. Yeah, okay, it's because I'm using Basketball Reference
that has him an almost seventy nine percent efficiency.
Speaker 2: So I use cleaning the glass which is inside four
feet and filters out guard.
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, yep, that's fair.
Speaker 2: I mean even better than if he's going to be
eighty percent at the basket and you're in the you know,
fourteen percentile of shot quality right at the rim.
Speaker 1: That's kind of insane. Well, because there's there's a follow
up points to that, which I think I think is
super interesting. So he's making a I'm using Basketball Reference
for this one, and that is definitely within three feet
of the basket, So I get the distinction there where
he's shooting seventy eight point six percent, only thirty eight
point six percent of those shots are assisted, So that
means he's self creating those paths towards the basket for
the most part and converting at that rate, which I'll
be honest with you, I did a double take when
I saw that because the eye test for me did
not capture that, which is why again, to just say
it for the thousands time, you have to marry the
eye test with the numbers because sometimes there's bias going
on in some capacity like I did. I would never
in a million years have connected those things. But like,
that's impressive to me because you know, he's not you know,
he's not Wemby. In terms of coming into the league.
It's seven foot ridiculous, Like he's he's six', nine and
for him to come in and you, know be prototypical
power forward height and length and just to keep doing,
THIS i, mean come, on that's. Insane everything is insanely
encouraging about him is basically.
Speaker 2: AGAIN i think even when you're looking at the miss jump,
SHOTS i don't like. It doesn't look like anything is.
Broken some of the, misses of a, course been, bad
BUT i would bet that at some point he is
either in above average if you want to call it
a mid range, shooter or even just a decidedly above
average three point. SHOOTER i would bet on at least
one of those things, happening and if both of them happened,
happened then game.
Speaker 1: OVER i don't, LIKE i don't look at that, point
what are you supposed to do? Again it's to me
it's just a matter of how are the mass going
to use him for the rest of this? Year and
are they going into the trade deadline with the eye
on providing. MORE i don't want to say help because
that sounds like they want to accelerate, something but LIKE
i want to Give cooper, FLEA.
Speaker 2: I don't want to Trade Anthony. Davis they do want
to accelerate something. More didn't you Hear Mark? Cuban they're
not Trading Anthony, davis.
Speaker 1: But YOU'RE i don't. Know this would be.
Speaker 2: TRICKY i think there would have to be way moving parts,
involved but why not try to take a flyer or
even go after a hot like is there any higher
end might be, extreme but So jared McCain would be
a good. Example we don't really kind of know what
he is In, philly but it'd be interesting to see
him In dallas where the pecking order is kind of
clear for, him and then you try to develop the and,
look if You're, dallas even if you're giving up like
bigger players in other, trades you're still gonna be big
enough to cover up For jared McCain. Defensively and so
a move like that doesn't have to Be jared, McCain
but just a younger ball handler type To, yeah you
could hope for the draft for, that but for the
rest of this, season especially Post All star, Break i'd
love to see that. Same do you want to pick
who we do? Next, WELL i, mean, obviously let's just
go down the draft. Board Dylan harper number two In San.
ANTONIO i only played six games so.
Speaker 1: Far that's just say he will WIN. Mvp OH i.
Speaker 2: DID i did want to shout out two people on
The Dallas, mavericks the other quick rookies we got playing.
Time Ryan emhard at the game of his short career
the other, night dishing out seven. ASSISTS i do like
his ability to spray when he's in the, paint AND
si said gave them minutes and has like a block
rate of nine When dallas was really banged, Up and
so you would when you look At dallas' roster.
Speaker 1: More there is no reality in which.
Speaker 2: You should have thought That Mussa cis should have had
to log any sort of minutes this. Year but they
were so banged up at one point that he needed.
To and so shout out to. HIM i apologize for
taking us on that.
Speaker 1: Tangent, no that's that is that is. Fair that is.
Fair he is a. ROOKIE i wasn't drafted like an
unders or undrafted. Rookie. Counts it all. Counts this is
a rookie. Pod but, Yeah i'm gonna go back To
Dylan harper what we saw in those six, games AND
i recognize this sample size obviously is a lot smaller
because of that calf. Strain he was so. Methodical is
that's probably the best. Word coming into the league immediately
just he knows where he wants to go at all,
times he knows how to get, there and he was
so productive in limited minutes WHERE i was, like, oh,
okay this this is beginning to look really. GOOD i
was surprised defensively as how He you, know most big
players coming into the, league, no especially big, guards they're
a little afraid of using their. Physicality they're a little
afraid of like using their muscles and getting into the
thick of. Things they're, like, oh, yeah Because i'm probably
gonna get foul Or i'm gonna probably gonna. Foul Harper is, like,
No i'm gonna get up on, Guys Like i'm gonna
IF i see a this guy calling for a, Screen
i'm gonna get right in between those two. Guys i'm
going to force him the other. Direction, like there's a
lot to love. There the passing has been has been
phenomenal in my. Eyes the fact that he can finish
around the. Basket he made numerous wicked like wrap around
plays where he just finished right over the top of.
GUYS i just think this dude carries himself so well
on THE np. Floor as soon as he hit, it
he was, like, yeah this is home for. Me it's,
working so very very excited to see him back hopefully. Soon,
yeah he was really. Good there's some turnover stuff that's.
Speaker 2: Concerning he is like eight turnovers on just twenty two
pick and roll. Possessions but that's just the learning, curve
AND i think we kind of knew the on.
Speaker 1: Ball smoothness was going to be. THERE i said this about,
HIM i think.
Speaker 2: Coming out Of Summer, league and it didn't change through
the first part of THIS nba, season the movement off
the ball and just trusting, that, no this will be
somebody who can work alongside Both Steph castle And Daron
fox if they want to go that, route and certainly
at least one of them we saw more of.
Speaker 1: It of course With Steph.
Speaker 2: Castle that is super encouraging because what was the talk
coming into this, season including on this, podcast WHERE'S i
don't want to Play it's not the one ball, card
but it's, well these three guys with none of them
are considered dead eye, shooters And Dylan harper will probably
get there, now it feels, like but he could be
the skeleton key that insures when all three of them are,
healthy if you want.
Speaker 1: To run those units.
Speaker 2: Together he kind of feels like the one who needs
to make the fewest. Adjustments it feels like that would
come more naturally to him than either of the other,
two and that's big for The. Spurs so just as a,
SCORE i, think is it like you, said the passes
that he could.
Speaker 1: Try i'm on, team throw the audacious pass.
Speaker 2: Now and we'll deal with the turnovers because if you
start making those on, points that's just going to open
up and be you, know if we get to year
three or something and it's.
Speaker 1: Just you, know we need to have a.
Speaker 2: Conversation But i'm especially year one and year, Two i'm
hashtag just just try. Stuff, yeah that's try so, yeah,
yeah just try out. Shit, honestly that's.
Speaker 1: Fine, No i'm very encouraged about what he's done so.
Far and, again the limited minutes to, me like he
came in and The spurs were, like let's let's issue into.
It like he's he wasn't even averaging a half of
PLAYING ti per game before he went, down and he
was still at like fourteen, points four, rebounds four, assists
like getting to the foul. Line it's. On it's just
he understands how to maximize the production level in those limited.
Minutes it feels like he has this mentality AND i
think he saw it At rutgers as, Well like when
he's on the, floor he feels this need to be
involved in place, like he doesn't shy, away he doesn't
LOOK i want to turn this into a, verb he
Doesn't Patrick williams himself out where he's just standing there
with a thumb up his ass and does. Nothing he's
like he's actively engaged in whatever action he can get involved,
in WHICH i think is always such a strong sign
of future stardom as, well he has not played a.
Speaker 2: Ton did you Expect Carter bryant to have any type
of role on this? TEAM i think right now you
look at it and, say, well between Having Julian, Champenny,
Harrison barnes small when you're at full, strength tecically, smaller
just Having Devin, Vessel Fox Castle, harper but especially With
Kelden johnson playing like he is, now you would have, said,
no there's not going to be a pathway to him getting.
Minutes did you expect them, to especially given they have
like injuries of ripped through this?
Speaker 1: Rock. Yeah, so AS i said in the earlier episodes
that we had that we did about The, east WHERE
i basically apologized For Konka, nipple SAYING i expected him
to be a second year. Guy that is HOW i
came into this year With Carter bryant because he was very.
Young in his first season or his only season With,
arizona he didn't play a whole. Lot he's he's a.
Project he's more theoretical at this. POINT i did not
think that one offseason and one training camp was going
to change. That so he's basically on course for What
i'd expected so. Far to be honest with, you, LIKE
i just never kind of looped him in as a first,
year highly influential role player.
Speaker 2: Us mostly in the same. BOAT i thought maybe his
defense could keep him on the. Floor but it turns
out IF i, mean it doesn't turn out we do.
This If wemby's gonna be, healthy and given What Steph
cassel can, do you don't necessarily need the. DEFENSE i will,
say in the very very few minutes that he's, played
he's already had one monster transition, block and there was
this possession against The. SUNS i think it was earlier
this month he was Defending Jordan goodwin and just swallowed
that dude. Hole and he is going to be a defensive.
Maniac and the question for him is he can move
well without the. Ball that's not the, problem is can
he make? Shots we don't know about, that but that'll
be if he does get playing, time that's gonna be the.
Question he is what you said at the top of this,
podcast THOUGH i would already say he's an above average
we have not seen enough of, him and he's, no
that's an above average.
Speaker 1: Defender so these rookies are coming.
Speaker 2: In you look AT, cmb you look At Cooper, flag
you look at just some of these other. Guys they're
coming in and they feel better. Defensively to your, POINT
i wish we could see more of, him but if
we see more of, him it's probably because either The
spurs are unfathomably injured or they've fallen out of the
playoff race at some, point and you, know you obviously
don't want to see either of those things, happen, Right and.
Speaker 1: We should just conclude The Carter brian segment by wishing
him a happy birthday. Tomorrow he's turning twenty years old On.
Thanksgiving look at, Him, Yeah november Twenty, Look I'm danish.
MAN i don't know jack About thanksgiving other other than you,
know it's basically a genocide that you guys are. Celebrating
but Like november twenty six is his. Birthday so if
that's when you Celebrate, Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Yeah a happy birthday To Carter. Bryant then my, Pick
now where should we?
Speaker 1: Go this is.
Speaker 2: Tough let's do, uh let's do The pellies having some things, happening.
Speaker 1: Which shout yeah they have no before you, start before you,
Start i'm actually gonna ask. You i'm gonna put you
on the line, here who's the better Rookie Jeremiah fears
With Derek.
Speaker 2: Queen, oh you know, so aesthetically the answer should Be.
Fears BUT i think when you start to dig into
the results of what they're gonna, do It's Derek queen
just because if you look at The pelicans the way
they move when he, like is he gonna be when
he's being used as a.
Speaker 1: Hub it's just.
Speaker 2: Different it's in the same vein Of jokic and al
pahin Shangun to where the players are just moving around him.
Differently and the other. Thing let's, hey, look let's go
ahead and start With Derek queen. Here, uh he Has
zion playing off the ball more when they're. Together there
was THE i think it was there was the. Game
it was the game against The. BULLS i was watching And,
zion they basically run like a mid post.
Speaker 1: Picking it was like a mid range pick and.
Speaker 2: Roll zion sets the screen from the midpoles mid post
and then like sprints to the rim and it turns
into an alley oop and it's just that's a fun.
Tandem but the idea Of zion not having like those
are plays to Where zion's bodies not being put through the.
Ringer and there are different types of, playmakers because what
do we know About. Zion he's kind of closer to
The Russell westbrook type of, playmaker where it's this force
of nature going. Downhill that's how he's going to generate his.
Advantages Derek queen is more of a like a finesse
guy who's gonna use complicated footwork to create those advantages
or pass from a. Standstill the passing is JUST i
want to see more of. IT i understand that there's
other mouths to feed on the. Roster though of COURSE
i think he's been. Great he's actually impressed. Me you
would maybe great is a, stretch but you look at.
It it would be awesome if he had some more perimeter.
Efficiency the three balls just not there right. Now he
is shooting eleven of nineteen on floaters and forty nine
point three percent on, drives and it doesn't really feel
like he's getting deep enough on his drives, yet so
those might be good. Harbingers he's just a little too
mid range heavy at the moment for. Me but, Defensively
i've been actually impressed with his, activity AND i know
That Willie green was using him more aggressively Than James
brego is probably going to in the short and long.
Term that's probably better is he probably needs to be
a guy who's in. Drop but, man he intercepted an
entry pass against The nuggets On jokich like he just
has really active, Hands and SO i wouldn't mind seeing
the mix in aggressive coverages with more sort of base defensive.
Coverages AND i do believe as A i guess more
of as a fundamental rim, protector not someone who's gonna
make a ton of reads as the helper or chase
down guys in swat away.
Speaker 1: Shots he can be a standstill rim.
Speaker 2: Protector he's only six' nine and his defensive footwork can
be all over. The place but if you can say that,
about him opponents are shooting five point seven percent worse
at the rim when he's on the floor, in general
like the. Entire teams that's sort of just an interesting
subplot to this because if he can do this stuff
now for the, most part maybe foul a little.
Speaker 1: Bit less, of course that's a.
Speaker 2: Really good sign for the future when you're, looking, at
well how do we build a defense out around?
Speaker 1: This GUY so i Really Like derk QUEEN and i
that's a necessary pre cursor For what i'm about. To
say The baby jokic stuff is. Such bullshit we need
to stop putting that. On him it's. So unfair it
is SO like i know that you you're saying it's
sort of, in JEST like i know what you're trying,
to say but like this has become a. Whole thing
WHY did i call Him? Baby joki oh you didn't
call him Baby yok You said jokic, esk right you
describe something with THE passes, i said players move around
him Differently like yokic and Shape. Like, jokichen okay, My
bad but Like the yokic stuff is, out THERE and
i fucking. HATE it i hate IT because i think
it's just it's putting so much pressure on a twenty
year old young man who at the same time he's
already dealing with the Pressure Of joe dumore is making
those two traits and making him like the lynchpin of. Those,
TRAITS also i think the comp. IS wrong i think
it's the wrong player that is being used. For him
THE more i watch Him, play dan the more he
reminds Me Of, DeMarcus cousins just the way that, he
moves the way that he, actually scores the way he
handles the ball but like getting from a dribble drive
position into, scoring position the way, he Passes like bookie
was a super underrated passer. AS well i think that's
the comp. For ME whenever I Watched derrek, queen play
that's the player that comes up in. My Head, it's cousins.
Speaker 2: That's that's Better, than jokic. FOR sure i didn't Know
the jokic comparisons were going around in all That VAIN
he's I Know DeMarcus cousins was nimble footed for, his
Size But derek queen moves more like a Wing than cousins.
Ever did but then you Look And derek queen at
six' nine kind of is what a wing would be,
in the League so that cousins is. A way better
i don't know if there would even be a better,
one Out there but cousins just felt he had more
of that brute force nature IN him than I Think that.
Derek queen, does but yeah this, is definitely closer at
least when you're looking at as an on ball, creator
and score He's closer in Cousins.
Speaker 1: Than a jokis and like that's not a, bad comp
either like before he went down, and, like, really yeah
yeah that dude what overpowering. AND highly, dominant i mean
that was the guy who was draining several, triples per
game he was getting to. The foul. Line it's on
he was grabbing a, ton of rebounds savaging, like five
assists going twenty five, points per game like he Was A.
Freaking all star, but LIKE so so i think it's
important to also just put it And the reason, i'm mentioning,
it you know, the yoga stuff like just take A
Look at basketball reference already there in, the Nickname section
baby jokic and like. You you urge It's just, like
ESOP guys like i hate it because he's just not
that advanced. Of A playmaker ash yokich with like who?
Speaker 2: Is who is as as our resident, FAN of hyperbole i.
DON'T mind it i think if you're using it to
if that's.
Speaker 1: The bar against which he is now going, to be
judged that's.
Speaker 2: Where it's unfair but if you just want to Get
Excited about derek queen, and, say, yeah yeah oh he's
like What If a Kima LaJuan and nikola jokic? Had
a baby i'm all, for that stuff, just early on,
because it's. Right it's funny it gets to a point
where it's grading if you're actively penalizing him because he's
not that right for sure.
Speaker 1: RIGHTS and THAT'S i just i don't want that to
be put, on him, because LIKE again like, i said
before he already has To Carry the, joe DUMARS trades
and i hate. THAT for him i really genuinely hate
that FOR him because i think it's so important to
support young players that that was completely out. Of his
control he did not ask to be like the centerpiece.
Of all this he never, asked of that and, everyone,
Is Like well derek queen better, be, good then, like
come on give the. Guy a break he's. Twenty years
Old jesus so this is all a long way From
me saying I'm Own. The derek, Queen, YOU know bandwagon,
i love it giving Me Everything. About derek queen just
don't put the extra level of. EXPECTATIONS upon him i think.
It's so unfair let's, Let's let him let's allow him
to develop within.
Speaker 2: His, own pace Please it was it's just never gonna
happen because of THE trade as i think, that this,
podcast your podcast other podcast will distinguish between that move
and the player. That he becomes but he's always just
going to be inextricably. Linked to that and maybe that's
also part of the impulse For saying baby yokich is
the steaks are already, just so high so you might
as well?
Speaker 1: Just WHY not now i have three follow up, Questions,
about this. Okay go ahead What do you what do
you make?
Speaker 2: Of the shooting he's at about seventy eight percent from.
Speaker 1: The foul line he has been god.
Speaker 2: Awful from three do you see this as someone who
could develop as it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to, be high volume but oh we trust
him to.
Speaker 2: Hit SET jumpers, So i yeah you're you're asking a,
good Question there because i'm still.
Speaker 1: Not, so surprised no that's A, good que no you ask.
Good questions generally but but you're catching me a little
bit on This one because i'm still not settled within
Myself TO where because i love the stroke from the,
free throw, LINE the three i don't like, the shooting
mechanics just like he's extending himself a little further further
than what. He's COMFORTABLE with but i do respect that
the fact that, he's taking THEM and as i said
at the top, of THE program like i also like
that he's taking those. SHOTS without hesitation i think, that's
a great. Great Encouraging sign but i'm like curious in,
regards to like if, he, keeps missing right is that
going to? Affect his confidence is he going to start
like second guessing himself when, he's taking threes or is
he capable of going through a whole year, where, He's
saying look i'm gonna take a three or two per
game BECAUSE that's what i need to do for. My
own Development and if i'm gonna end up shooting ten
percent over the course of my rookie, season on them.
So be it if he, has that mentality, good, for
him genuinely, that'd be great because. That's WHAT'S necessary, BUT
i personally i think he's like, a year away maybe
a year, and a half two years away from like
really being a, three point shooter someone who's should take them.
With high regularity but at, THE same time i fucking
respect what he's doing because he. Hears the noise i've
been saying it for like half, a year, now you,
Know no three, no d guy that's, not exactly, encouraging
you know as, a lottery pick, And, he's like hey,
You know what i'm going to do. My best offensively
i'm also going to try to. GET that three, I Respect.
THAT derek queen i fucking respect that he's trying to
turn the, entire NARRATIVE around and. I RESPECT it so
i don't care what he. ENDS up shooting i just
want him to see that take that shot again, and
again again as long as it doesn't affect. His CONFIDENCE
level but i will say the mechanics need work. FROM
out there i honestly don't know how to feel. ABOUT
it either i do trust him to kind of Score
from The DeAndre and.
Speaker 2: ISAIAH hartenstein range i think that the, mid range game
even the long, mid range game will come along and,
like we said with, the floater stuff we've seen some of. That, already,
WORKING yeah defensively i think he's been better than you
would said be Work on, Him no Three, NO d oh.
Speaker 1: I did too i'm he's guilty. Of that Too. He's.
Definitely no three at least they're. Not, going, in yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's not, He's REALLY. Not NO d but i
do wonder this was, my other question what's the ideal
type of front corp? Partner for him it's not in
it's fun watching Him Play, with ZION williams and i want,
to be clear that is not the ideal front Corn Partner.
Speaker 1: For derek queen, so to me, he feels, like defensively
speaking like a little bit Better Than. Prime nikola vusovich,
and you know people, will say booge like he's. A,
shitty defender yeah now now that he gotten significantly, Older,
and slower yeah he was actually Pretty, Decent in orlando like.
He understood angles he knew he wasn't going to be a,
major shot blocker so what he wanted to do was
deter players from taking a, lot of shots so like
He would roatchate in, THE same time i feel that's
sort of what We're Seeing with derek. QUEEN right now i.
DON'T hate that i don't think he's going to be
someone who ends up, being you know quote unquote, a
great defender like a. Generational defender whatsoever so if we
put him into that kind, of You know, player archet
Type A prime, nikola vusovich defender then, you, ask yourself
like what what is the type of defender you need
Alongside A? Prime nikola vusovich and Is That A? Jaron
jackson junior is that like An In? Prime aaron Gordon
like who whoch? Actually, played, With.
Speaker 2: Like yeah aaron gordon's. A good one I had been
i'd Been Thinking About. Jaron jackson junior i've been Thinking
About og an andobi would have been My PRIDE good
and i think now, after watching him you want someone,
From THAT mold but i don't think they need to
be as good right to where it's if it was
what would be a good If It, was kegan murray
who's been really good defensively, when he's healthy but He's
not Og Anobi's. Not aaron gordon if it was even
if It Was, j allen johnson maybe that's a. Little
TOO light but i and those are. All good play
this is not you Can't Just. Find jalen johnson That's
not what i'm. Trying to say but you don't need
in all defense caliber four or five next to him
for at least for your baseline. Defense to work is my.
Very early impression we have Not Talked. ABOUT jeremiah fears
i don't know how you felt about him coming out.
OF the draft i Was Not A jeremi. Jeremiah fears
guy he Turned Me. In summer league he has continued
to turn. Me ever since the three point shot can,
still be shaky but thirty six point four percent on,
self created threes that is money he. Needs to bring
he was higher on catching shoots earlier. In the year
he's down to thirty six, point eight percent but that
gives you confidence that he can be an above average or.
Average set shooter he's Still shooting over his percentages have
come down over the past, couple of weeks but he's
still shooting over fifty percent on nearly thirteen, drives Per
game which he's another guy where when you look, at
the volume when you look at just the level of
defense of attention he commands with his live dribble if
you're gonna shoot over fifty percent on drives at that.
Volume per game and, by the way he's not even
playing thirty, minutes a game so thirteen drys or thirty
minutes per.
Speaker 1: Game is insane the shooting, at the rim this.
Speaker 2: Is per cleaning the glass has dipped below, fifty eight
percent and he's not drawing a. TON of fouls i
honestly don't care about either of THOSE things because i
just think that. They're gonna come his on ball speed and.
Handles ARE insane and i would also say the. Defense
of playmaking he's pretty frenetic at points when it comes
to denying the ball when he's guarding, away from it
and he's really good at generating steals if he's playing.
The cutting lanes this is TO me when, I watch
him i want to make it clear with at least
the finishing, around the, RIM the, Handle i see Oh
What if kyrie irving was more of. A defensive playmaker
that's a Terrible comp because fears is not The shooter
that kyrie has. Basically always been but he just has
those daring do handles and then the types of finishes
that he can attempt. AROUND the basket i am way
more In on the jeremiah of yours experience THAN not
only i, expected TO be but i expected to be
Relative to this PELICAN situation where i think you look
at this roster and say it's not Really optimized for,
jeremiah yours strengths and yet he's still been a.
Speaker 1: Relative to, expectations to me he's. Been really good. He's
been good i'm actually curious why you were not a guy?
Who you Know you Weren't you? Weren't jeremiah fierce guy's
kind of what you said going, into the season or
at least last? Year in? College? What what what what
was like outside. Of the shooting it's just those are
the red flag.
Speaker 2: Types for me is it's always KIND of why I
was more i don't want, to Say Disenchanted But john morant.
Speaker 1: I'VE never been i.
Speaker 2: Think he was transcendent, at HIS peak but i always just,
kind of wondered if the jumper is not going, to
come along what?
Speaker 1: Does HE become and.
Speaker 2: I tend to i can move, on my opinions especially
if they're gonna, try ON defense which i think we've Seen,
That from fears but he's KIND of just. I DON'T
know there's i, love THE aesthetics so i go off
vibes And So like john morant is entertaining in part because,
of His aesthetics but fears shooting the ball better FROM
three than i would have expected in those play situations has.
Helped a ton but it's why so coming out this
Is a good this is a great discussion because you
weren't so Much Of a. TREY johnson guy i inherently
believe more in those archetypes scaling to HAVING a successful
NBA career than i Do someone like fears because it
feels like he needs to prove this. Really important SKILL
and then i probably didn't trust whether his finishing.
Speaker 1: Was going to be a lead, enough, to say well
we know he can do.
Speaker 2: This one, THING now here i am sitting looking at
the percentages and, it's, all, right like yeah he's decidedly
below average at the, rim right, now but no he's
just going, to.
Speaker 1: Be fine, Right, two questions one did that did you
Also STRUGGLE with tyree's maxi back, in the day because
then because he came into the league with not not
a reputation of being a shooter and now obviously he
is WAS that because i made That Mistake. WITH tyree's
maxie i was skeptical when he came. INTO the league,
i was like he, Didn't Shoot Well, LIKE i'm i'm
i don't think necessarily he's going to be as clean cut,
of fit. Yeada YadA YadA but he. Was the motor,
it was like as soon as he started just displaying
the ridiculous motor, that he had, It, was like okay,
you know. WHAT screw it i made a. MISTAKE with
fears i struggled initially with, the three TWO not because
i actually thought he was, a bad shooter but like
he just took, Bad shots right like he was a
guy who would take so many very very long pull
ups over the course of last, season IN college where,
i was like that's just a. Bad SHOTS selection do
i trust that GOING into the Nba and now jordan,
pulls his teammate? What IS right but i never. Questioned
the motor, and that's why like EVERY single time i,
WATCHED him play, i was like, you know what that
that three point concern, That just began it begins to
fill less and less. In my head it's just, sort, of,
like yeah okay, You know what he'll. Figure it out like,
the motors. There you could he's basically a bunch of
clay and you can just sort of create him as.
You want to he's, just too, quick too strong which
sounds ridiculous when he's like he wets what one seventy,
five or, something, but like yeah, pretty the, strength. That
RIGHT exactly and i trusted, his touch too because when
he would get into like that mid range area in,
college as well and he would pull up LIKE those,
Were nba moves like, Those, Were like oh i'm gonna snake,
The pig roll i'm gonna get into the. Foul line
area i'm just gonna pull. Up on guys, it, was
like huh. Look like that we're seeing like at least,
two or THREE like legit nba moves from a shot
selection perspective every single, game at least and we're seeing,
like the playmaking we're, seeing the rebounding we're seeing the.
Athleticism as well so that was that WAS something that
i never really was too. Concerned about it and the
second question for you is the fact that his shot
selection was, bad in college but the fact that he
was still a decent shooter when he, took you know quote.
Unquote normal shots was that baked into your concern the
fact that he just took those. Outrageous JUMPING offs so.
Speaker 2: I Think no it actually the bigger thing was having
questions about what would the shooting look LIKE at? The
nba level and then is this somebody who could like the?
Other player type that disenchants me is these guards who,
can't be wings but they can't be point guards and
so basically two guards where it feels like that position
doesn't exist at least in. Proliferation, as much yeah, AND
to me i still don't know if he can drive
the offense. As a playmaker but because he's just so
quick on ball, and the defensive like when you look
at how many bodies or being drawn to the ball when,
he's getting.
Speaker 1: Downhill he's going as they get.
Speaker 2: Better shot makers and even better, cutters around him it's just.
Gonna BE easier and i think if you have pairing
him with sort of like not To, bring back jokic
But The way jamal murray IS. Paired, WITH nicolea Jokic
I think jamal murray is the Better. Passer than fears
let me, make it clear but to be the second
derry playmaker on your team as the starting primary guard
that feels more so well. Within his reach and so
those are the two Things that are they were red,
flags for me and they're as of right now they're not.
Speaker 1: Red. Flags Anymore so the. Pelicans got Nicolea Jokicch and
jamal murray, in this Draft is What i'm. What, i'm,
hearing okay well.
Speaker 2: They might have Gotten Better, than jamal murray, but you
know defensive playmake The Way that, jeremiah fears does maybe
like Playoff Super. HEALTHY jamal murray i do want to
SHOUT out because i did watch them. Film On him
michaeh pev is a defensive psychopath and he's incredibly. Tough
to screen they Had him guarding wemby for like an
actual stretch at one point when They. PLAYED the spurs
i do not know if, he could SHOOT and if i,
had to guess the answer is probably going. To be
no and that's kind of because but he is just.
DEFENSIVE for neticism i do Not Have any, hunter, dickinson's.
Speaker 1: THOUGHTS though so i.
Speaker 2: Apologize that's fair did you want to take us to
another team, slash.
Speaker 1: Player PLAYER primarily because i don't really want to talk
about this. Team TOO much, WHENEVER i do i, start
BEING oh?
Speaker 2: Can?
Speaker 1: I GUESS yeah?
Speaker 2: Can? I, guess Then, Yeah, the, grizzlies yeah yeah we
need To Talk about cedric Coward And.
Speaker 1: Only. Cedric, coward, man look well we just did twenty Minutes.
Speaker 2: ON the pelicans i want to know what other national
podcast is doing that without focusing solely on The Trade that.
Speaker 1: Joe, DUMARS made wow i. Mean we did we did,
TOUCH on, it. I said solely we focused on the return,
of the Trade Which. Was derek queen but so did
we find The new era mikale, Bridges In? Uh cedric,
Coward Because well. Draymond green disagrees, he thinks that and,
this is oh you were never allowed to start a. Sentence,
That way no so his, response, THIS is well i.
Speaker 2: SHOULD say this i Don't Listen to, draymond green's podcast
but THE clips that i see going around are not
as insightful as the comments He Made about cedric cowhard
that seem over the. Top and Wrong He thinks cedric
coward Is The. Next kwhi leonard but the way that
wrapped it Out and said kawhi, couldn't do this he
Couldn't Shoot like cedric cowhard when he came. Into The
league cedric coward maybe can't DEFEND like how, i could
now but like, That evening out but the answer he
gave was just, so IN depth and i was If
This was, DRAYMOND green's podcast i Would Listen to. DRAYMOND
green's podcast i Think You saying michale bridges or even
someone else in that vein makes MORE sense because i
don't see the and we didn't See this with kawhi,
to be clear coming in the primary shot creation like
Type From from frederick, Coward, Right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm okay kawhi of, a, pool there okay Especially
with Somewhere Remember.
Speaker 2: When gary harris was Going to be kawhi? Two point
zero that was the like.
Speaker 1: This, IS what no i. Don't remember that.
Speaker 2: In five thirty eight It Was WHY gary harris i
Think It, was chris harry who's, a spectacular writer went
Through The ladis gary harris Was having a it was
one of it was, a great article but like we
just get caught up and these players are having career
seasons or doing, a certain thing and so we just
throw these. Comps, out there Coward What if cedric coward
Is both Mckal Bridges, and kawhi leonard like like is
he is he stuck between the middle of them or
is he both at.
Speaker 1: The same time he's both at the same he's the
best Version of both kawhi and, oh, My.
Speaker 2: God okay so so Basically He's a kawhi leonard.
Speaker 1: Who actually plays that's. What he is because if he's
A combination Between Kawhi, and mikail bridges he plays eighty
two games. Every single year any plays. With pace too
he's not really going to juice the pace all right to.
Turn serious though hell of a Pull By, the memphis grizzlies,
and you know this is what. They can do THIS
is where, i love, them you know being able to
just find these guys in the middle of, the first
round even later in, The first round like they. Just
find guys it's it's always the top of the draft
that becomes a little bit. Tough for Him But like cedric.
Coward is awesome he is, going to, be you know
one of THOSE three and d guys who we all
look at over the next ten years, ago good lord
like he would fit in so well at insert every
single TEAM in, The nba here like he's. Just, so
plucking yeah what team would he? Not, work on. Yeah
Exactly right the king is probably. Because They're, fast the.
Speaker 2: Kings he, look serious question you're joking If You replace
demarta Rosen et cetera, coward Right now the kings are a.
Batter basketball team that's not That's more about i'm about what.
But that's not that's, JUST not spicy I, guess because okay,
first Of all the kings are overloaded, with non Wings
Even though doug christie thinks that.
Speaker 1: They're not right, My point is. Damar Is good the.
Mar's super talented here's a guy, who's you know obviously,
coward is too but he's not not as, well around
it like his skills are, primarily you. Know two factors
but he's going to fix stuff because he's not high
usage like this dude is going to be. A WINNING
player and i Just hope the grislies understand what they have.
On their hands they're.
Speaker 2: Starting, him now yeah so that must mean. That, THEY
do yeah i mean my question would be is what
is how good or valuable can you be if he
doesn't if you're not going to if you have to
be the second or third, option on offense and even
the way he plays offense now he probably needs to
be more of like.
Speaker 1: A third option he's just the se and.
Speaker 2: He's a rookie this, could still develop but if the
self creation, doesn't come still He's kind of he's had
a guard some really tough assignments on. The defensive end
the shooting has been just incredible by and large.
Speaker 1: The entire season.
Speaker 2: He's shooting really like sub thirty eight. Percent on drive
so that's a little bit of. A CONCERN there but
i think if you just want someone who's, plug and
play and we've seen he's been able to move like
when he does have the ball in his.
Speaker 1: HANDS with it i don't know what. HIS ceiling, IS
i know i know that we've.
Speaker 2: Thrown Names around McHale bridges feels More Fair, than kawhi
leonard but even That is McHale bridges.
Speaker 1: WAS always okay i have another, one for you which.
You're gonna love his top Tier Ceiling is turmanty kamara
with a more. Staple offensive game.
Speaker 2: So you know that would imply that you don't have
high expectations for if he could do anything, on.
Speaker 1: The ball well not. NECESSARILY like that.
Speaker 2: I mean tomorrow tomorrow can, do the, attack closeout stuff
but that's, really, The Extent.
Speaker 1: Right but i'm saying a more, Nuanced OFFENSIVE game like
I don't think coward necessarily is going to be someone
who you can give, the ball, too would say go,
make a play because we also have. To be realistic
he came into the league as. An old rookie he's
twenty two already, he started, THIS so like i think
we're a little bit closer to, like his, prime his
ceiling and even if he doesn't have the on ball
Chops Like, at tumani kamara with a more efficient and higher,
volume offensive game is that not a thirty. Million, Dollar,
player honestly.
Speaker 2: No it is, and then look he's a. Willing, ball
mover yeah isn't going to. On his drives he's, not
shooting well but he's not going to turn the Ball.
Over reight ton and JUST the thing i, come back
to And this is i'm just, GOING to continue i
guess spotlight your point from the top of the podcast
about rookies being better defensively even when he was coming,
off the bench just the guys that he had to
line up against without really having any help being left to,
His Own, Devices Kay, Cunningham Cooper, Flag, Devin, Booker. Shake,
gilges alexander, yeah that's Bonkers and so. I'm WITH YOU
he's i i just struggle with his ceiling in. A
good WAY is that i think whatever we said it
at where it's either gonna be too ambitious or. Not
ambitious enough because if you start Throwing, like is ojiannaobi does?
That make sense or he's not Really gonna do he's
not like the. Five position guys. So that's tough i'm
Gonna Stick with tremani kamara with a more.
Speaker 1: Consistent Three pointer McHale.
Speaker 2: Bridges feels closest just with mchal bridges higher VOLUME from
three i think would.
Speaker 1: Be feels close. It feels close maybe it just for. Like,
Seven years yeah look.
Speaker 2: The version of mckel bridges we're, WATCHING this season i
will take eleven times.
Speaker 1: Out of ten yeah.
Speaker 2: He, is great yeah but so do you think that's
guess this all comes to the Head of the grizzlies,
in their direction, whatever it is what level of? Cornerstone
is he is this someone where it's They should trade
jah And Rebuild around Cedria Coward And jared jackson junior.
Or In Theory if john moran is going to normalize
at some point, And Stay healthy cedric coward is almost
in the best spot because he is kind of that.
Speaker 1: That third, wheel so yeah you Don't Build. Around cedric
coward that very important to me that you, don't, do
that because like as many superlatives that we've, thrown out
here he's. Not that dude he's not someone you just
tear down your. Organization FOR now would i prefer to
see him with a POINT guard who's i guess we
can just say it More Mature, than john moran someone
who's More Disciplined. Than, John moran yeah Like if The
hawks and grizzlies were to do, my you Know Pretty
simplistic John Moran for. Trey young trade THAT'S one Where
i think cedria cow would be super Interesting. Next to,
Trey for example jaw specifically IS not someone i want to. Pair,
him with well so? What is it so throw the
if like the stuff, you're, talking, about leadership okay three
point the lack of, three point shot like the. LACK
of space i was just curious as to Why you Like.
Trey than. Jaws the gravity the. Gravity for. Sure, THE
gravity Also i think trey's. A better playmaker i think
he's he. Has, THIS thing Yeah i think trey has
a knack, for finding guys especially outside the, three point
line a Lot Better. THAN jay is i Understand that
every grizzlies fan is going to throw this stat at
us Again Where whenever, john moran plays they win sixty percent,
Of the, games, AND like yeah. I hear you but at,
the same time.
Speaker 2: You gotta look at like how it seems, built ULTIMATELY
speaking AND i think i would want a point guard
who is more playmaking oriented and has more AND capabilities
if i want to optimize The, Playoff CENTRIC coward.
Speaker 1: So i would want Someone Else. Than. JOHN morant uh
i Do Think The jared Jaction junior centric coward fit is.
Actually pretty decent coward obviously is going to take over
the rebounding department because he's better At it Than Jaron.
Speaker 2: To action junior THAT'S not even i should have known.
THAT was, coming i mean it's not. Even, a lie
dan look.
Speaker 1: At, The numbers no.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying i'm just saying you could Have Commented
on cedric coward's REBOUNDING rather than.
Speaker 1: I could could i really We're talking ABOUT memphis. Could
i could i'm CONTRACTUALLY obligated whenever i. Have, A chance,
no i do like like the defensive potential of that duel,
at least, Yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Man YEAH THE more, I i know i'm focusing too
much on your. Comps for it but so He leads
the grizzlies in points scored in transition just. BY a
mile I think the mcallbridges comp. Is probably best. And
That's look cal bridges didn't turn into a more of
an on ball guy until what like the final part
of His.
Speaker 1: Leg in, phoenix yeah right He.
Speaker 2: Was an he was an, older, rookie too right so
that might that might Be The comp cedria coward is
if You were doing Rookie of the year, rankings right
Now It's probably conk Nipple followed By, flag, OR coward,
Right i know.
Speaker 1: Edgecomb is there oh that's a.
Speaker 2: TOUGH top four i had not because, FOR whatever reason
i had just not been thinking like walk you. To your,
vote Let's so let's i'll ask, You, THIS then okay
i know you haven't, thought About this because i've only
thought about it. Three seconds ago if you were redrafting
This draft class cooper flag. Still, goes one Yes Where
does Cedria, coward go well.
Speaker 1: He, doesn't go too Because That's. STILL dylan Harper I
think conk nipple didn't goes three At. This point edgecomb,
that's Harsh, THOUGH BECAUSE edgecombe i i feel. There's, More
there still does he Go? Five, over baily.
Speaker 2: YEAH he's tough i would be shocked to see if he.
Got PAST six and i think there might be a
team that would be willing to bet that he will
have a better career than at Least ONE of and
i Don't know if i'm falling, in this camp so
this doesn't necessarily take but it wouldn't shock me if
a team decided to take him over One, Of.
Speaker 1: Ca Nipple, edgecomb or bailly. If not more that's where
the age kills me, a. LITTLE bit though i GUESS
that's but i hear you like in terms of like
the the the level of play that he has and
the fact that he's since what's attractive about him is
the fact that, he's PLUCKING play and i think that
is why teams are also prioritizing that, Type of player
guys who can just come in and shoot, off the
catch who can integrate themselves without having a huge use
of the. Rage usage rade that's a tough. Word for
me they're just so damn LIKE valuable, for nba teams
and so the fact that he's not someone who will
demand the ball, TO that extent i could see like
a handful of, teams go yep that's exactly. What we
need that is what we. Love about it if he
was twenty years old instead, of twenty two then we
have a. Conversation for two, YOU'RE.
Speaker 2: Probably right i still Practice Go with dylan harper just
as the pro because even If Even if cedric, COWARD
is twenty i Don't know if i'm looking at, him,
and saying oh he could Be the north star from.
Speaker 1: MY REBUILD now i i gun, TO my head i
Would Still. Go DYLAN harper, BUT i mean i know
the thing about me with with draft, guys as well
it's when. THEY'RE that old i never buy into this whole,
mentality of oh that player because he's twenty two or
twenty three is automatically more. Be a ready, oh oh
really should we Check In on Nee? Clifford and?
Speaker 2: Sacramento should we we will in. A, little, bit okay.
Speaker 1: Great, but yeah. No he's great he's kind of my point.
About civic coward you Picked.
Speaker 2: To the grizzlies i'm gonna Pick, it's the jazz But
It's really ace Bailly Uh And walter clayton junior who
will get. TO as Well i so ace baally didn't
have the best start to the season and some of
the efficiency numbers can, still be rough but he is
since entering the starting lineup more shooting sixty nine percent
on twoes and thirty eight. Percent on threes he's still
shooting pretty low, on his drives but he's seventy.
Speaker 1: One percent conversion rate per cleaning the glass.
Speaker 2: At the rim he could stand to, get THERE more
which i think that's if he's gonna attack. Off the
dribble he has some of these like baseline drives where
he's just gonna yam it when he gets. TO the
basket i want to see him be more physical. In
that regard but and we kind of talked about this,
at the top just, AS an example i have, been
really impressed especially lately with how hard he's working just
to fit in and it's running the floor in transition
the offensive rebounding like he works.
Speaker 1: For that too we Saw It. In summer league he's
still continuing.
Speaker 2: To, do that now they've insulated him a little bit
MORE defensively than i thought they. Were going to but
he's been active for the most part around. There as
well but they've also there was when they Were playing
the lakers, the other night a game, they almost won
he had a massive Shutdown stop on luca where he
just he's stuck with him for basically the entire possession
that was able to poke. The ball away you look
at someone the way they're A the way bailey is
able to move laterally for someone his size as he continues,
TO get stronger i think that's gonna be a. Really
scary defender, my ONE complaint and i try not to
complain a ton about, higher profile rookies and this is
probably more of. A jazz thing i think that they
need to do more to make him at least. A,
SEMIFOCAL point again i. Love this stuff, he's coming around
screams well, off the ball he's lifted up from the
corner or relocating if he needs. To exceptionally well he's
run fewer than ten, Pick and rolls he's used FEWER than.
Ten iso possessions i'm not saying those need, To BE
crutches but i would like to See More of ace
bailey in those. Types of situations maybe That's something that
Jazz Do Post all star break when they feel more.
Comfortable with him but after it kind of a start, where,
it was oh he's not in the starting five and these,
PERFORMANCES aren't great i think that he's kind Of proven
he's for anyone who is concerned that they took him,
where they did he's already alleviated a bunch of that
with his play over the.
Speaker 1: PAST few weeks i agree with everything you just said
for one particular. Reason as well getting him more involved
in off on ball stuff and getting him downhill is
also going to put so much more pressure on the
defense to make a decision because, he is long. He
is athletic he's not a guy you want to see.
Attack the, rim and currently and this is, ridiculously low
number he's played three hundred and sixty six MINUTES in the,
nba so far he's taken. Nineteen, free FROs so like the,
FREEFROW generation stuff i don't even think that so much
of that. Is on him it's more, of the setup
like him being sort of. A bailout option he kind
of reminds me a. Little or not. He reminds me
the role that he plays reminds me a little bit
Of how The Kings used keegan murray. The first year
oh where, okay it, was you know it was not
exactly like the to the full extent like Because they
used keegan almost exclusively as like a spot up. Three
POINT shooter and i Think that the jests are trying
to do maybe a little bit More, mean with bailey but,
not a lot and so he's become this. Bailout option
instead and what have We Seen from keegan murray since?
That rookie year have we seen him get to the
fall line? A? Whole bunch. NO not really i think
those reps are so important early in, a PLAYER'S career
so i would make it a major emphasis of them
to get, him the ball put him in, screen roll situations.
Get him Downhill Because if ace bailey's primary calling card
is going, to be scoring which, let's be real that.
Is a thing that is how we gauged him. All
last year and.
Speaker 2: There are just moments too off, ball on ball He's
very tam maki in. A, good way yeah so that
is going to be that's.
Speaker 1: Going to be i'll be shocked if it's not. His, calling,
card well okay then then let me ask. You this
question if you're going to be, a primary scorer if
that's or at least one of the primary scores, on
a team can you do that if you're taking like
two free? Froze per game.
Speaker 2: Who is the i'm trying, to think of who's the
guy that is that would be driving a? Really good
offense or is the number one option that you, Look,
and sit oh he doesn't get to the. Foul line
enough there aren't a ton of those because when you
look at all, The, Best Ones, LUCA jannis jokic I,
Mean even steph, yes with That and like steph would
be the blueprint for he's not going to, dominate the
ball but he still has the ability. To, draw fouls
yeah is there ONE who? Am i missing have to be? Missing,
SOMEBODY there well i mean there isn't. A leading score
there isn't someone out there putting. Up twenty two, at
One point maybe tatum was still like what at least.
Speaker 1: Four per game i'm, Talking right now, Like Right now
ace bailey is attempting one point one free fro. Attempts
per game in twenty one and. A, half minutes like
even if scaling that up to, per thirty six we're
talking about. One point nine that is such a. Ridiculously
low Number and again i'm not putting that on. AT
his feet i think that's a Structural thing in utah
that they. Need to fix but it's it's just something
to keep an eye on because if you're it's been
a big issue of Mine again with sacramento not trying
to dig into that Part of, Keithen murray's game like
keiking is what eight to forty are? We gonna see
if we're gonna say he can't absorb contact coming closest, to,
the rim bullshit of. Course You can't ace bailey is
an atgile six'. Ten and supremely athletic if he's just
gonna stand around the three point line for the most
of His career because the jazz says, that's the best
idea then you're not using him. In the Right, manner
Like ir yeah.
Speaker 2: How i'll push back a little bit in the sense
of especially because wasn't one Of The questions for ace
bailey coming in could he do the ancillary stuff consistently,
or in higher volume so at least, earlier on the,
way We Would say let cedric coward, Be, a good
Example well maybe the grizzly should just test him on
the ball to see if he. Can do these things
is this sort, of, way of saying Well Let's see
if ace bailey.
Speaker 1: Can, handle a more. Streamlined, Less, central.
Speaker 2: Role right okay there's value, in that To me is.
Speaker 1: What, i'm getting at sure but you want him to, become,
MORE than that rightultimately.
Speaker 2: I mean for, Sure but we're like i'm with you
IN the sense that i want to. See more of
it but when you're fewer than twenty, GAMES into HIS
career i think i kind of get especially when you're
still you're still, trying, to figure out well who's going,
to lead our offense And You have the isaiah collier injury.
Speaker 1: To open up the. SEASON that complicated that i understand.
Speaker 2: IT a little bit i, WOULD like to again i,
want to see more but we already he's been promoted,
To the starting lineup but like we know, that HE'S
starting now so i think that. THOSE steps will come,
I don't view it i guess as as big of
a transgression at this, stage as YOU do even though
I do agree that i absolutely want to see more of, what,
you're talking.
Speaker 1: About right and again it's just, To clarify once again
i'm not putting. IT at his feet i think. He's
by the way. SOME of it is i think he's.
Speaker 2: Been A little bit and i don't know if this,
is an organizational mandate but two passive at points to
where you can see hesitance even on some of his, catch.
Speaker 1: And shoot threes even he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't he can't decide, he catches the, ball decides to
draw and, Then it'snt no waight i'm not.
Speaker 1: Going to do this i'm gonna go back to a
step back or get.
Speaker 2: Rid of the, ball so the onus especially when you're
looking at how deep can he get when he is,
Attacking with the, ball the consistency THERE some of that
i do, think is, on him, All right that's.
Speaker 1: FAIR that is fair i generally think the players spawned
to the type of roles that they, get by an
organization and sometimes they. Look over their shoulder i've.
Speaker 2: Been, told to DO this like am i allowed to
break out Of the constraints that i'm in this.
Speaker 1: Role Because The? Danger, is, keegan Murray Though.
Speaker 2: RIGHT like keegan murray, I think he's great but when
we were talking about extensions your your question to me
was what is he? Offensively at this point like he
hasn't been. Able to do more we've SEEN percentages decline,
and I blame that and i Still, do on, the,
kings and so yes if this becomes sort of An
Habitual pattern for ace bailey to where they've decided to
use him, as a complimentary player and then What Was
Happening with keegan murray it wasn't even that he. Was
a complimentary player is that his usage was fluctuating wildly
because of the way that they. Jumbled, THE pecking, Order,
YEAH i think look i think that's. Totally fair to
wonder my guess would be if we're having This Conversation
after the all star break, and we're still wondering what
does It Look like if ace bailey has more plays
called for him or, more on ball Work then is
when i'll.
Speaker 1: Sell The, alarm bell keegan, murray by the way he
should be noted three games into his season this, year
doing pretty well even If without taking. The, wolves WITH him,
Yeah but i, mean, i'm just saying usually if you
want to end up averaging twenty four to twenty. Five
twenty six points you're probably not doing it by taking
one to two three thro. Us, every single game no
they're just taking all threes and making them. A ridiculously, high, clip,
that too well. Yeah he's he shouldn't He's Four of
eight ace bailey on, step back threes already HIS step
back three i guess because he's six was he? Listed
at six nine. HE'S just so big i have. NO priors.
For this.
Speaker 2: I didn't i'm not i don't scout these guys while
they were like in. THE middle of school. I just
trust it i have no raction. NOW for doing it. I,
just trust it.
Speaker 1: Oh by the way he, Listed at six ten i'm
just reminded that is super wrong because he came in
he tested a lot worse. Than what people thought he
came in like six SEVEN point, twenty five i think.
OR something along this i thought he was listed he's.
LISTED at six ten i thought he's. Listed at, SIX
nine that's yeah i. Think you know that And This,
is ON basketball Reference so nba dot com is a
lot better. At the official Heights But, like on basketball.
Reference he's six ten that is not true that that is. Adding,
A little bit yes ctg has. Him at six nine
you said he's watched six. Seven AND change memory like
i believe he was listed without bigger. Than, six for
sure yeah but like, that, was without shoes right six.
SEVEN point twenty five i think He tested out at
it might have been six. SEVEN point seven, Five i
don't remember like there are limits TO the details that
i remember. From pre, DRAFT measurements but NO i mean
he's i like where he's at right now because the
start of, The SEASON was horrendous so i like the
fact that he's he's. Picking it up up and of
course now we're gonna talk about like your favorite guy,
IN the entire well i. WANT to ask you i
wanted to ask you One More.
Speaker 2: Question about ace bailey do you have any strong opinions
of him on defense.
Speaker 1: Or as a passer the passing is tough because we
just talked about his role and he will look for bigs.
Speaker 2: In the pocket already That's the stuff that i've been
unable to formulate a real opinion on. FOR him so
far i will be completely honest with you and say
that That is not something i've even devoted a whole,
lot of Attention too because When, I'M watching the jazz
i probably should focus, more ON their achievements BUT i
don't because i just look at a very young team
that it's also somewhat intentionally.
Speaker 1: Trying TO be bad so i just don't put a lot,
OF stock. Into it I Think and without walker kesterer
there because he's, OUT for the year i, just kind, of,
said all right well they're, just gonna be bad. AND
that's on me i probably should be better at just looking. At,
The individual before Defensively, I'VE with the jazz i, just,
sort of like no no bother. Out of my head
so it's a good. Shout From your end i'll i'll
start to look a little Bit more of. The bailey's
defensive prowess, it's.
Speaker 2: SIMILAR to offense where i think they need to give
him more cracks at the marquee. Marquee Role, type, stuff
walter clayton though, COMING into the season i thought that
maybe he would Be like the, best jazz guard basically
and that's.
Speaker 1: Not BEEN the case and i also banked on his.
Speaker 2: Shooting just being incredible it has not, been incredible so
far under. THIRTY percent from three i do think he
is one. Of their better passers he's still turning the
ball over on basically twenty five percent of, his pick
and rolls and he's also shooting only six of nineteen
out of.
Speaker 1: The pick, And roll right now he's shot okay.
Speaker 2: OUT of his drives i do like him when he's
in the, center of the floor leading. It and transitioning
you if he can, GET in the lane i think the.
COURT vision is there i did have higher hopes for him,
to start his career especially WITH you know his i
guess his minutes have gone up and, down A little
bit but i thought this was someone who. MIGHT start
for them i don't think it's a bad thing that
he's come off the bench for all, Of his, THIRTEEN
appearances BUT man i think i got ahead of my
Steees Too. MUCH on walter clayton i don't think he's
nestinarily means he's gonna, be.
Speaker 1: A bad pro but i was hoping for a lot.
Speaker 2: MORE out of him i think, what, he has shown
though is that this is someone, who has the vision
whether the accuracy.
Speaker 1: Or the decision making is always. Going to be there,
as a different story is he Better? Than, ISAY a
collier well i mean better as a passer, Just as a,
player i'm not.
Speaker 2: THERE so like it i thought it was Very very
optimistic of hughes to say he might be, the best
jazz Guard, LIKE even, Over Keance i mean kiante george.
HAVING a great season i, was just not predicting especially this,
level of play making for you were predicting this level
of prey. Making for this level but like he's hasn't
exactly been clammed chowder over the. Past Couple, OF years.
Speaker 1: Kiante George.
Speaker 2: I mean kiante george i was really hyped through him,
after HIS rookie season so i probably overcompensated and was
disappointed what we've seen from him, so, FAR since then especially,
i mean even now the efficiency from beyond the arc just.
Refuses to come along but he's getting the. Foul line
a ton the, passing has, been, there he's been sir.
Speaker 1: You're being too critical the dude came in as a shooting,
guard and had to, like on the fly adjust to,
a brand new position the most tough position TO, learn
in the nba and this.
Speaker 2: Shot selection was awful, IT was you can't i don't
know what you're what are?
Speaker 1: You, defending, Him against though well i'm saying that the
fact that he came in as a guy who had
like the green light To do whatever at baylor and
certainly made use of it because his shot selection was
horrid and he, was an off guard like not really
having to handle the offense. To the Same extent comes
since utah in year, one, and it's told yeah you're gonna.
Be a point guard he ended up, starting forty four
games and he, actually did pretty well came back next
year last year, and got even better even. If his, efficiency,
sucked and.
Speaker 2: Yes look his shot quality isn't great it. Probably never
will be but considering what he had to do just
in terms of like make that position change and become
like a fully fledged, Starting level point guard.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling what he has not.
Speaker 2: BEEN until this season i don't think you could look
at it and say that. He's going to start but he.
Speaker 1: Played a lot of point guards minutes both in his rookie.
Year and, sophomore year after all you got to. Give,
him that, THOUGH yeah but again i don't know what.
Speaker 2: You're defending him AGAINST i'm just saying i was a
little bit disappointed that he wasn't BETTER three YEARS because
i thought i thought the. Efficiency would be higher and
EVEN now he's shooting i guess thirty seven percent or
whatever it does. On catching, shoot threes that's fine he's he's.
Having A good Year But, i thought walter clayton if
you were looking at who is the best playmaker LIKE
to Leave The i thought walter clayton had a.
Speaker 1: Chance TO be it that. I was clearly wrong i'll.
Totally COP to that but i also did not see
This Type of. KIANTE george leap.
Speaker 2: COMING i did not i actually didn't Even know that
the jazz we're gonna give him. This TYPE of opportunity
and i wonder how much sort of the way that
the opening season. Played OUT benefited, him but i mean
like he's doubled up his like free throws. P, thirty
six minutes basically it's just it's it's nuts and hitting it,
at ninety one percent it's it's fifty.
Speaker 1: Three twos for some of the twos that he takes.
Is a big deal it's amazing what happens when shot
quality and maturity sort. Of. Starts to align well there
was also the.
Speaker 2: Question about his maturity was he didn't he vacate this
leave the season excuse, ME talking about it i need
to like really. Focus on mid range, and it was,
well if what like that's not what this team needs from.
You at this point so he came back and he's
getting to the foul line, more like he said the
passing has, been in the patience the poison. Ball has
been great really. Good season from him but what Are Your.
THOUGHTS on walter clayton i don't know why you Turn
This Into a kiante Georgian.
Speaker 1: NO so so clayton i always thought coming into to,
this season as well when he was billed as like,
not an elite shooter but coming in as a as,
A major shooting prospect I was a little i thought
it was overstated considering how he shot the ball. At
THE collegia level so i, didn't anticipate, in having you
know him coming in and being like a knockdown three
point shooter. RIGHT off the bat, i. Didn't expect this,
though he's been struggling and, like to be fair sometimes
a player. Not A player's worth but i do think
a big part of the worth is just sort of
being reduced down to is he? Making SHOTS or not
And I will. Give walter clayton junior this the shot.
Selection isn't necessarily bad he's just clanking. Shits on right
now and if he were converting on a higher, percent
each of them would we even be having. THIS conversation about.
Disappointment i don't know it feels like a lot of
this comes down to just. Make or miss it, you're.
Speaker 2: You are right and he's shooting thirty nine percent. On
ZERO dribble threes but i Think The appeal of walter
clayton was that he was going to be able to
hit more of those, complicated shots right which as it.
Still might COME along i'm just i was way too
high on what his rookie season, was going to be
and EVEN the Role that i thought utah.
Speaker 1: Might, MIGHT put him yeah. I mean that's fair but
and and what doesn't speak to his advantage is that.
He's also twenty two. He's an old rookie so like
if he comes in, and is you know sorry bad right,
off the you know, Right, off, the bat like yeah
there's a chance he. Can figure it out but historically
old rookies coming, in and you know having a pretty
big curve to become fully flatched rotation players not a great,
TRACK record there yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess that's true he feels like someone who might
catch on later in the season of just like just
getting more of a feel for the, speed of the
game because, even when he's playmaking he just gets off
the ball like he's not someone who's gonna kill the.
Speaker 1: Flow Of your offense and.
Speaker 2: I'm always just going to, believe in those guys, AND
we have well, i guess in theory we thought we
had proof of concept when it came to what. The
shooting would, be so BUT yeah THAT'S his i THINK
i thought that i might go into the Season Looking
at oh ace bailey because of the role he had
ended up having what would be considered A Worse, year
Than Walter clayton because walter clayton.
Speaker 1: Thrived in his role And Really it's been ace bailey
doing a.
Speaker 2: Lot OF the stuff that i had questions whether he
would want to do a lot of the off ball,
work with the offense would he always be there for
the offensive rebounding if his usage.
Speaker 1: Wasn't through, THE roof so no i don't have.
Speaker 2: ANY major, red Flags I mean the a's bailey thing,
is the Big one and the jazz got what appears
to be is going to be a very.
Speaker 1: Useful, player moving forward yeah do you?
Speaker 2: Have?
Speaker 1: A NEXT pick ah do i like if we can
go into. The knee cliffer stuff but is he worth
having a, Big, time discussion about, oh we'll screw. It
let's have it an old rookie Going to be twenty
how many times have? You, said that. Now yeah twenty
four he's gonna Be. Twenty four in. February THAT'S just
ridiculous so i like some of the, DEFENSIVE chops we've
seen i. DON'T like the offense i don't understand what
his role is going TO be, at the nba level.
At least offensively speaking is he going to be like
a catch and, shoot three point shooter because that's not.
Historically been his thing is he going to be more
of an all ball creator because that looks like that's
a little BIT optimistic, at the nba level because in
order to get the ball, consistently at this level you,
have to be really. REALLY good with it i. Don't
THINK he IS so i think i feel like he's
sort of, stuck not between positions but between, on ball,
OFF ball and like i just don't know where. HE'S
gonna end up i think the the offensive ceiling is
kind of all. Over, The freaking place yeah i'm not.
Speaker 2: TOO worried about him i think that Even, now with
the kings he's shown that he can still, be a
ball mover so he's not going to.
Speaker 1: GUM up your.
Speaker 2: Offense i think even if you end up pitching holing
him into, that off ball role that he will be.
An intuitive ENOUGH cutter he's already i think he's seven
to seven at.
Speaker 1: The rim this year that might be a little. BIT
out of.
Speaker 2: Date i just don't the PROBLEM is is that i
was intrigued more by the on ball Offense Watching. HIM
in summer league i don't have a great. Feel for
it yet and for As bad as the kings are
and for his wing, light as they are whether if
You Want to call, nie, clifford a guard fine, He's
six to five like, he's a borderline wing. Especially On
this team kean allis. Already Isn't Playing enough, the sacramento
kings are with the exception that The win over the
timberwolves like. THEY kind of suck i mean they're on
a two game winning streak because, we were, this like,
why like play? Him play him more this is not
how many games he's, had won two games three games
where he's, locked over twenty minutes four games he's, locked
over twenty minutes and the last one he got over
Twenty minutes was, on november the twelfth In.
Speaker 1: A LOSS to atlanta.
Speaker 2: So i think they need to do more to plumb
the depth. Of his skill set i'm intrigued defensively because
he's already ended up covering some tough guys. AND held
his own i don't know if he could Do, that
in a okay we're gonna start him, and play thirty
minutes what?
Speaker 1: Does THAT look like but i.
Speaker 2: Think that he will wind up being a useful secondary
offensive player to where maybe you're not having, him run
the offense. Where if you could someone with his size,
at six to five running the offense, is always an
asset but just as a ball moover when he's gonna,
be in the lane, when he's in transition someone.
Speaker 1: Who will move off the ball.
Speaker 2: In the half court even the question will be do
you think the efficiency from the perimeter is? Going TO
come AROUND and i think i.
Speaker 1: Think, that it will okay this is all about prediction
and and.
Speaker 2: Well you sound skeptical is there's something you're noticing with
the What is the your.
Speaker 1: I'm noticing a guy who has who we used to
as a, as A Part. Before, Who's Patrick williamson well
patrick williams sing a, little bit out there just not,
doing a whole bunch like just standing around too often
when he does have a chance, to just change things maybe.
Just take that ball when he asked, the, opportunity to
say look, no one's doing something let's just. Get on
with it let me. JUST make something happen i think,
he's being too passive and that concerns me when you're
that old as well that you're because he comes in
from what was it five years in college if memory
serves like he had those Two Senior, years, at colorado
state right so like he should come in with plenty
of hoops experience, from the collegial level and now he's
like he looks like an eighteen year old rookie again
sometimes like just GOING around like? Should I attack here?
Should I do this should.
Speaker 2: I you're damn near, Twenty four years old like you
can't afford to wait around.
Speaker 1: THAT long like you i. JUST think he's passive i.
DON'T trust the offense i DON'T trust well do. I
trust THE playmaking i guess i do, if it's you,
Know FROM the bench like i don't trust him in
any starting caliber. Situation at this point if he's coming
in as a secondary which is kind of, your POINT
as well do i trust, him to, just make you
know be a secondary, Playmaker, Off THE bench maybe but
i need him to balance that with some level, of
aggression aggressive scoring because if you're standing there ball watching and,
looking AT everyone else which i, THINK he does well
i ALSO think that that's i would argue that that
might be by design or a byproduct of The way that. The.
Speaker 2: Kings, ARE built potentially yeah i do think we've seen
some of the glimpses when, he's been in transition being
able to be a little, bit more aggressive drawing he's dr.
On FOULS in TRANSITION but i just i don't know
that the scope of, his similar to well NOT similar
to but i don't know if the scope of his
role has been large enough yet to.
Speaker 1: Have, any major concerns yeah.
Speaker 2: You, look at it oh he's shooting seventeen percent or
whatever it is.
Speaker 1: On wide open threes that's.
Speaker 2: Like a red flag but it's also one of those red,
flags where you, say that's so low it's. Going to
come up if you were looking for him to be a,
primary on ball guy he might be the type of
secondary playmaker where it's you could Start him in the i'm,
not comparing the two but In The vein of derek, white,
to where it's oh it's cool when he's making plays
and there's two other options ball. Handler's on the court
But If you want derek wright to, won your entire
offense you might not be in, love with that idea.
Speaker 1: Or he's not going to be the most efficient version of.
HIMSELF in, that role, i think to me. It's the,
shot volume you know he's played two hundred, and forty
one minutes he's. Taking fifty, six shots you say is
BY the SIGN which i can, i CAN understand THAT
but i desig, i might be wrong but it doesn't
it feel that could be a trickle down effect of
The way that. The kings, Are built might maybe but
at the same time that is also what concerns me,
because on some level if you're, ON a bad team
i will always argue that you have a sort of
opportunity ahead of you if, you're getting rotational minutes and
which he does like, he's played fourteen games playing. Seventeen
minutes per game it's not. Like he's not playing he's
played two hundred and forty one minutes on, the year
so far so it's not like he's, only getting you
know six or. Seven minutes per game so you don't
think that they should. Be, playing Him more no WHAT
i'm saying is i need to see him make use
of those men's, a little bit more because if you're
playing on a team that's been a little bit, of
a shit show you have an opportunity that you can,
grab in some capacity be that, as a, ball mover,
a playmaker a, shooter, or just saying Hey You know what,
demarto rosen right now which just don't need to to
dribble the ball for sixteen seconds before you throw up
A contested mid range i'm just, gonna take this ball,
not even hold it just immediately attack off the catch and.
Get TO the, rim, And i just yeah i'm.
Speaker 2: GONNA tell you why i just don't think that where
if you look at, his most use lineups he's playing
basically at all times with At Least, Three Of dennis
Shruder Russell westbrook To Martin.
Speaker 1: Rosen and? Zach? Levine where where what what? Offense are
you taking what are?
Speaker 2: You, SEIZING in that Well i mean what i'm saying is,
that because you're right he, does move the ball which
means he does get, the ball as well right like
when it's swung, around on THE perimeter AND occasionally i
just i want him to do something Else because, THE
entire king's offense i think we, both can both, agree is.
Speaker 1: Extremely predictable extremely predictable he has this unique opportunity of
just throwing a fucking wrench, into, everything and saying hey
look here's, another layer, of it and look it's that
tough to. Put, on a rookie yes but he's. He's
almost Twenty four that's why i'm asking, him to. Do,
stuff mature stuff well.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you're asking him to deviate. And, Hijack, the, offense.
Speaker 1: SLIGHTLY yes yes slightly i will advocate for him hijacking
the offense just.
Speaker 2: TO see. What happens i will if you're saying that
he needs to be penalized for not actively hijacking or deviating,
from the GAME plan THAT'S something i thought i can't.
Speaker 1: Get OFF board with.
Speaker 2: But I you're right though i do want him to
hijack it just a little bit because occasionally that they
were using some.
Speaker 1: Bonus before his injury this team. Doesn't make any sense
there are just players who have to do it in
order to, get attention upon themselves and occasionally, some, team, will,
go oh oh okay, He's got. More juice like okay
this might not be, the Once One example but Quentin
grimes After the traits, of, philly, basically, Saying oh yeah
no i'm not gonna be your your three, In d
Darling here i'm, gonna i'm, gonna start you know. Dribbling
between my legs i'm. Gonna start creating looks, i'm. Gonna
start creating creating.
Speaker 2: But he didn't have the type of ball dominance around
him at the time Because of INJURIES in Philly that
i know.
Speaker 1: Clifford, HAS right now well i mean he's still. LIKE
when he came i, understand the opportunity there but, at
the same time he decided to, do SOMETHING about It and.
I meet clifford again i'm also, questioning the talent level
because that's. Let's just be real if you're playing five
years in college, at the same yeah. And he's, not super, he's.
NOT you know explosive i don't know if he's gonna
ever create a ton. OF arm. BALL separation i have
i have. Questions about him too.
Speaker 2: This is we're having it sounds like A Similar discussion
to keagan, murray all over again to WHERE you're assigning
what i believe is more responsibility to the player for
some of, the Shortcomings or concerns and i'm putting it.
Speaker 1: More on the, team and, It's right that's. Fair that
is FAIR you know what i think? It is For
Me it's the dylan jones, Effect where you know jones
came in as, this all round guy but that's NOT
a role the nba has to offer unless You're Like
invoking a dylan. Jones come right now, no but like
no but you catch, my drift row right like someone
who comes into the league with an all round game, At,
the collegial level like that's not a role that's available
unless you're like a freaking star, right. Off The Bat
right and knie, clifford had, that luxury you know in
college because he. Was the focal point he was the
guy who was. The all around GUY coming into the
nba and having to become a bit player. That is
so tough it's not always that we see guys, make
that transition successfully.
Speaker 2: IT'S but it's, WHEN i watch him i feel like
he should be. Able TO do it, and, i also
wonder though how inflated are both of our expectations based
on What He, did in summer league where he was.
Speaker 1: ACTUALLY doing a Lot I didn't watch. Summer, league at
all OKAY well then. Then i just don't so you want.
Speaker 2: Him to do, more but more realistically he should be
fit into a role that He's, Better, Suited fored no.
Speaker 1: I'm Saying the circumstances so i'm saying, the circumstances historically
speaking doesn't speak to a player of his ilk BEING successful.
At The nba level what i'm saying is that given that,
he's actually Receiving Minutes, unlike at, dylan jones for example
who just couldn't get on, the floor because like what the? Hell?
Was his role Really you know, mee clifford is playing
and so when you are playing and you, are on
the floor make sure that people notice that you. ARE
on the FLOOR i think he's i think he's basically
someone who, tends TO grow invisible and i, think that's
an issue even if, you're a bit player even if
you're out, there for special purposes being invisible in it
seemed context is just never a. Positive in my PERSPECTIVE
but that's again i agree with you that It's also
the freaking kings, that he could.
Speaker 2: GET and it's also i just think you're overstating how.
Much he plays like he HAS some games that i think,
are Inflating his totals but i'm just.
Speaker 1: Look, ause game, logs well.
Speaker 2: All. RIGHT that's fair eleven i concede. That that is,
fair that is fair and he's played, a LOT less
recently so i guess my point is just when, HE'S
on the floor i need him to seize a little
bit more of. The opportunity, he's given after all which
maybe there'll be some if they trade one of their
bajillion guys, that don't make sense or they're going to
turn around and trade for another one of.
Speaker 1: Those types of guys and it WILL be even more
i still Like My DeMar for kensavious cobalt pope trade
just to free up some. OPPORTUNITIES here And there I
hate damorro and jaw. ON the same team i. Don't, get,
that no well look we can talk About the fit for,
memphis all day Long but for the kings at least
they may they might have. To give up something, But,
look and look jaw is he? Going, to be available like,
if he's not available you need someone to handle the?
Ball a Little bit why? Not DeMar did that. Seems going,
nowhere anyway.
Speaker 2: It's fine it'screw it i'm Gonna Take us to Will
Richard And. The Golden state warriors the warriors just keep
hitting these picks in the fifties. OUT of the park
i haven't Heard As much from, quentin Post This season.
BUT will richard looks i don't want to, overstate what
he's done and we're just still so. Early in the
season but this is getting him, at number fifty six
shooting forty eight percent. On, spot up threes more he
is eighteen of twenty. One at the rim that is eighty.
Six percent in transition the two things that the actual
points per possession, in transition. Not sustainable absolutely insane one
point six that's the most among one hundred and forty
five players who have finished as many. Transition possessions as
him this is the thing.
Speaker 1: That caught my eye more.
Speaker 2: He is so far out in front of his own
TEAM in transition That i think the warriors end up
in transition on plays that they weren't anticipating to be
in TRANSITION in and so i looked ten their transition
frequency off of live rebounds increases by ten point seven
percentage points when he. Is on the floor of everyone
who is locked at least two hundred and, fifty Minutes
THIS season only resache. I Found that Interesting steph castle
and jokic have a larger swing impact on. Their team's
transition frequency, That's And that's again will richard isn't the
one that's jump starting these possessions In A way That
steph castle. And jokic might be he's just so far
out in. Front of everybody else he's been. Good defensively
for them he's had. TO defend real guys i think
he has great. Hands on the ball he had one
of the cleanest strips of The Season just on devin
vessel trying to do work, from the mid RANGE and
there was i don't know if you saw it was
one of the games he had Had Crazy pickpocket on
john moran who tried to do like a flyover dribble,
or whatever it was and he. Just clean swiped it and.
THE other thing too i know we're kind of In,
the era of oh there, are these crash zones these
perimeter players are doing more on the offensive. Glass Than
we expect will richards is, just, One of them APPARENTLY like,
EVERY time i look i feel like he's tipping a
shot back out of the basket or. Grabbing an offensive rebound,
this is just, again he has played, as we're recording.
This in thirteen games this is. Not a future star
his true shooting percentage doesn't line up with what We're,
Saying about the oh.
Speaker 1: I'm actually looking, at the wrong.
Speaker 2: Player so excuse, me he's, only played but like he's
BEEN so good that i think that this has the
chance to be a regular rotation player on a GOOD.
TEAM in the NBA i don't need i don't know.
WHAT his ceiling is i can't, really GET into that,
but i would say, as of right now this feels
like more of a Caps lock find.
Speaker 1: Than Quentin post was the only thing that makes me
Less enthusiastic about will richard is the fact that he
scored twenty one point six percent of his total season
points in One game and so i'm not REALLY sure
with her i should like ignore that and just look at,
the rest of it because he was so impressive in. That,
FURRY POINT game like i I don't know if i can, sit, there,
and say oh yeah he's he's at that level. As
YOU alluded to but i will say this in terms.
Of accepting his role when, he's given fewer minutes he.
Plays the same speed, whether he's you know playing forty
plus minutes. Or he's playing ten it's it's, it's the
same play, it's the same mentality, it's the same approach
and that is usually. The Key to success so i'm
encouraged in terms of, like the tail. Level the production
level i'm just not ready to like commit, to something
where oh like, he's a big steal. He's a big
get if we go towards the middle of the season and,
he is still efficient he, is still you know so
calculative in terms, of His shot selection then i'm joining.
YOU on the bandwagon i don't.
Speaker 2: Think he'll never stop being, Calculative of his shots like
if they, if he starts deviating if he if he
does What you want neat Clifford to, Do, the, warrior, again,
no no No No he's what well richard. Is doing right
now it.
Speaker 1: Is a SMART play it's just i, usually struggle, when
guys you know have this one game that's a huge
outlier and and just gobbles up so many of their
ceason numbers this. Early in, the year? I'm like how
much how much can we? Look at everything, else but
like again this is where as you said, earlier in
the show it just in terms, like, the eye tests
right like what are you looking at and you're looking,
At the activity level you're. Looking, at the approach yeah
like it's.
Speaker 2: THE three point shooting i think Would be the big
oh is this that's like the that's the game that's
going to pump up. The outlier stuff there but in
terms of him, getting to the basket flying around a
transition and defending and just being sneaky, ON the offensive
last i.
Speaker 1: Think that he's.
Speaker 2: There, yeah, for sure yeah yeah probably concerning that he's
needed to play as much as Uh As, He has
golden state but that's a, that's a.
Speaker 1: Different issue that's a different discussion that. See, makes no
sense uh did you have any other rookies that? YOU
want to decide. I do not know i. Have, A
couple more Okay i think the clippers might Have Found
somebody in kobe. Sanders well to moderate he's kind of
one of the things that have.
Speaker 2: Gone right this season he was someone who was. Taking
at number fifty he can be. A little mistake prone
has turned the ball over on thirty three percent, of
his transition, processions which isn't great but he's Also sometimes
the only, clippers player IN transition and so i feel
like that needs.
Speaker 1: To count for something he shot the.
Speaker 2: Three ball well, enough he's being inflated propped up forty
six percent from the corners in twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Percent on arc threes he's.
Speaker 2: Another one where he keeps The Ball, moving like nee
clifford and he's a willing passer on drives even if
it's not going.
Speaker 1: TO translate to anything i had this clocked Too From.
Speaker 2: Our Friend justin russo kobe SANDERS Is the first la
clippers rookie to log at least one hundred and thirty
minutes over a five Gamespan Since shit and landry. Shamman in,
twenty nineteen so yeah he's, GOING to be traded i
think is the. Moral of that sort and the other
thing that stands Out To me with kobe sanders is
they've Thrown him to, the WOLVES on defense and i
think that he's. Held up fairly well he will work
and he's pretty. Good at helping too so if he's
going to be, away from the action and that's, JUST
at number Fifty i know the clippers are a disaster
and so this might be, damning with faint praise but
he's been one of the bright. Spots of their season
do you know what, HIS middle name, Is.
Speaker 1: I do Not Michael. So he's kobe michael and now
that family Just. Ruined it with sanders they could have gone.
So many different ways They, Could Have Gone. James kobe
michael james there are. So many connections there i'm just
saying that what you're saying they. Should have actively changed they.
Should have. Actively changed they weren't they've they should have
made it more egregious than if that's what. It Should
have been, Kobe, michael lebron right yes they Should Have Just.
Speaker 2: BEEN cobe michael, KAREEM i don't, know i don't care
just something, that, would be like yeah, also an older,
rookie by the way also going to turn, twenty four
this season So and this is this is The.
Speaker 1: Maturity level that i'm. Kind of talking about someone who,
comes in, and Says All right like i've i've had
My fun, at THE Calicia level like i i'm ready to.
Do some, Damage here so. Yeah i'm with you. That's
a good show and THE other shout out, i, WOULD
like to well i think there's two rookies. We could
Talk about Is. IN portland young handsome i still believe
he's just not Playing A.
Speaker 2: TON young young hanson i think that he is going
to be end up being better on. Defense, THAN people
expect still i have not Changed that prior and i'm
still just interested to see. WHAT in more minutes i
think that he is someone who could. Be an instrumental
passer but they have a Lot. Of dudes on portland
they like, to play small too and so he's been hard.
Pressed TO get minutes, and i will say as someone,
who even loves him hasn't necessarily earned. A ton of minutes, Jonny,
THOUGHTS on, him.
Speaker 1: Well i mean here's another rookie apparently during SUMMER league
play which i heard, about but Didn't See who. Got
nikola jokic COMPS so apparently nowadays.
Speaker 2: I probably Made some of those apparently now it's Just easy, to,
get Jokic, Comps Which like okay nicola? Jokic even impressive
anymore then is Everyone? Just a new jokic is? THAT
where we are i would, like to say No but
he the jolkic. PASS the other night I, was just
like i he we'ren't the point where he shouldn't be
able TO keep us in.
Speaker 1: Awe twenty four, seven three sixty five. AND he still does.
Speaker 2: I think that's why i, pushed BACK on it like i,
think it's so insulting like arguing arguably the best offensive big.
Speaker 1: MAN of full time i.
Speaker 2: Don't think it's insulting it's. Just become too again the
VIBES of, it all i get but we just. Throw
them around haphazardly and, if, it's, A JOKE yeah sure
but i think it's. More of a concern it's Not.
AN insult to yokic i viewed as if you really
because if You Think thought that jan hansen Was going
to be jokic and this is what, his rookie season
is you're you're going to.
Speaker 1: Believe he's a disaster.
Speaker 2: So so many people coming into this year Just Incredibly.
Speaker 1: Disappointed. In yon, hansen no so honestly he's just played
so few MINUTES that are.
Speaker 2: You i guess the real question is there's there's nothing
to take away. From, his rookie season well are you surprised?
He hasn't played.
Speaker 1: More there's one thing i'm. Taking, away from it uh
him being allowed to take threes at this RATE was
something that i wasn't sure was going. To be a
thing i'm glad that they're going this route because and
they sort of they sort of went The Same win with,
donovan klingen basically, saying you know what, We're, okay with
that like we're okay with you taking. THE three point.
SHOT i love that i love the, centers like, have
that you know that green flag or that green light
to be able to go out and actually take it
because eventually it's going. To be a necessity so for
a young guy coming in the league and not having
TO worry about am I getting yank if? I? Take this?
Three No take. It j. I'm, FELLER it's fine. YEAH
i like. That, i like that well he he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't worry about getting yanked because he's just gonna play, eclusively,
In garbage time right but there.
Speaker 1: Was there's that and the other take.
Speaker 2: Just THE defensive takeaway and i can't remember what garbage
time GAME it was as, i saw him in but there,
was just two possessed straight possessions where he played both
ends of the pick and roll and broke up. One
of The, PLAYS and it's okay i don't Think He's
gonna be Defensive player, of the year material but it
just feels like there's maybe a, little Bit more there
and i'm so fascinated to see how he's developed and.
Speaker 1: WHAT he turns.
Speaker 2: Into i still fascinated is. The word by him i'm
not Gonna. Call him baby jokic maybe he's more what
would be The. Word like fetus jokic so he hasn't.
Speaker 1: Really, Been, born yet okay okay we're we're entering that
stage of the podcast. Where, we're, Just Idiots.
Speaker 2: Okay great caleb love or That's a totally valid he's he.
Speaker 1: Hasn't come out Yet he'll be baby jokic by his.
Speaker 2: Sophomore Or third season Caleb love coming for me Came
out of where caleb of not somebody KNEW a ton
about i just really the real takeaway from his season
Is he had the warriors broadcast in.
Speaker 1: Shambles, the other night. YEAH you'd told me i haven't
heard that.
Speaker 2: Because he was just he, was knocking down threes, and,
they were basically well you're not gonna win this game
when this guy. Is shooting like that and to some
extent that's kind of true because he's not shot. The,
ball exceptionally well overall his shot making is all over
the place and it needs to even out just because
he's not the best, finisher at THE basket and so
i think he. NEEDS that perimeter game I will say
what i like about him is he will he's looking
to pass on THE move more than, i expected, from
him just effort going back through his scouting reports and
then the movement, away from. The ball just everything like
my very few priors of him and then looking back
at some of the stuff that was written, about him
pre draft felt like he was going to be someone
who maybe needed the ball, athletically to make plays and
he hasn't necessarily. Needed to do that so to just
be Able to get some caleb ve minutes going early
on in the season and to just, have that game
again he he, won you the game or was one
of your two or three primary reasons That you beat
the warriors and put. THEIR broadcast in shambles i would
call THAT eleven of. Ten, A plus, stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes so overall not, a great efficiency player not, at
the collegia LEVEL not. At the nba level i'm curious
as to what his, Totally, total upside is like, what
his ceiling is what kind of role he CAN have.
At the nba level is he going to be someone
who can settle into. A more streamlined role you, Were,
talking about this oh we were talking about this. Earlier
with another player who? The? HELL was that like I Think? Was, it,
A's bailey yeah yeah like just getting into more of
a limited role where you can be a star within
this small. FRACTION of the offense i think that has to.
Be THE way forward and i just don't know if
he's the three point shot. OVER it's something else i
do think he offers you. SOMETHING on the class i
do think he gives. You some all roundness he's Done
that at the. Gleacha level as well so it's just
a matter of finding out what can he do THAT'S sustainable,
At the nba level because like, coming in, and scoring
you know twenty Six points against the warriors and being
allowed fourteen three point shots probably not sustainable in the.
LONG term for him i don't think that's a, role
he's gonna get especially. Playing, forty, seven minutes so like
what is? HIS path towards relevance.
Speaker 2: I have no idea and like one of, The bigger
like so portland plays basically faster than. Anybody in the
league he's been radic even in. High, quality transition opportunities
yeah seven. Of NINETEEN in transition, so i don't know
but he'll. ALWAYS have that game i will just say
the comps that came out for him were along The
Lines of a jamal crawford Even And maybe.
Speaker 1: A kevin porter junior the game might be a little.
Speaker 2: BIT more spot on i just really looked at that,
background info and thought there's this is not someone who
should be even remotely menacing, away From THE ball right
and i think that he's, at least done that or
at least has made an effort to and we'll see.
Where IT pans out but i have if you, Were
To ask me, I'm i'll say this i'm Way More
confident in will richard being a staple rotation PLAYER long term.
Speaker 1: Than I would be caleb love that might be the best.
Speaker 2: Way, to frame it yeah See there any other do
you have any honorable MENTIONS or Guys that i think
the one that sticks with me is we have not
seen a ton. OF common mole watch i thought that
he was gonna be someone that was gonna get a
ton of minute out Of, the gate for phoenix, and
to their credit they've been pretty feisty. And good and fun,
Stat On that more dylan brooks right now is seventh
in self created. Shot, making efficiency seventh okay that's that's
the stat that, just blew, my head all right and,
it's it's Obviously sustainable.
Speaker 1: Is, what. I'm getting yeah totally but.
Speaker 2: We're as that surprised you at all that he hasn't
gotten or do you think that this is, a matter
of well look, at what they're doing malawatch isn't going
to a line with them Being Scrappy in the western,
Conference AT this STAGE.
Speaker 1: And i just i don't know.
Speaker 2: How to square it you you got the tenth You
Got him into kevin durantrady. Was, the tenth pick yeah
so you do have some you have real. Equity INVESTED
in him but i look at how the rest of
the team is playing the Minutes They've. Used with ohsu
Gadaro We talked about mark williams. ON a previous podcast
i don't know what, to make of it BUT at
some point i hope he gets more minutes just so
we can kind of see what he looks.
Speaker 1: Like at this level this is a team that doesn't
always value draft picks or or. Guys that they draft
Remember When they declined jalen smith's for your option as
well after he was drafted Tenth over You, and jalen
smith man are? YOU on the payroll. I wish, to'll
be that's fine. Just call me. Up, I'll do That
no but like i'm just saying that the, King, or
The king sorry the suns have a tendency to not
get the best out, of their draft picks and where
they lack foresight is probably the best. WAY to phrase
it i just don't think regardless of whether they're feist,
Or not they are THERE'S just, no way i, can
in any way shape or form justify this, as an,
organization like oh yeah let's get this guy, tenth overall
in lottery like he let's play him under. Five minutes
per game it's just, it's so blatantly ridiculous and you
can sit, there, and, argue that oh well we're better off.
Trying this, And that all right so When you were
beating indiana, by thirty five points you could only get
him six. Minutes, of playing time really When you're beating
the pelicans, by twenty three points you could only get
him four. Minutes of playing. Time bull absolutely ball. THAT
is just again i just Do not trust the suns
at this stage to go out and actually invest in like,
legitimate Junk guys because like ryan don know so last year,
they were older rookies they were a little bit more.
Ready for the fight but when it, comes to younger guys.
They lose their patients this has been a thing. THEY'VE
done for years i need to see. Them. Flip that
switch malawatch not, playing more is.
Speaker 2: Criminal just absolutely, criminal do you think if, you had
to guess do you think that that will change at?
Speaker 1: Some point this.
Speaker 2: SEASON because it's not i, know people have mentioned Well If,
they Trade nick richards nick richards isn't, Even, PLAYING really.
Speaker 1: Right no i, know they're playing centerless but if you,
want to play?
Speaker 2: Centerless Why go on mark, williams is a, center, right
all right okay BUT you.
Speaker 1: Know what I, mean adjacent adjacent okay but LIKE you,
know what i mean they don't really go deep on,
the traditional center stuff which is fair like that is a.
CHOICE as an organization i don't necessarily sit here and
say that. That's a bad idea because you can start
to win. Games, of that mentality well then why go
out and spend the Tenth overall Pick on malawach. Centric
cowaracter's right there if you want to, go more wing
heavy you're. Gonna taken him instead there were so many, Don't,
GET me STARTED dan i just i when he, WAS
picked at tenth i, remember, sitting there going. Oh what
a waste that WAS the first thing i thought of when,
he was picked there and so. FAR it stayed true i.
Speaker 2: Probably wouldn't go, as far, as to You know criticize the,
suns TO that Extent but i, Am, i've clocked that
oh this is very bizarre to me that he is, not,
playing MORE so yes and i think. IT needs to
change i know that gradual, development is a thing but
at some point you want to find.
Speaker 1: Out WHAT you, have.
Speaker 2: And i mean if you don't play someone look At the. Dice,
and daniels situation yeah barely plays and Doesn't Play enough
in new orleans, vers first Two years gets who lanta,
has his breakout season all of sudden he Has to
be paid like you're you're talking about an extension and
so you're you need you want to, amass that sample size.
ESPECIALLY in a season i know you don't control your,
own first round pick but. There are no stakes like
we all kind Of knew that the suns have, been
friskier than expected but you gotta find a, way to
get him get him, more PT and.
Speaker 1: Again like i said a thirty Five, point win against indiana?
Six minutes six minutes can you can you justify that
AS an organization because i don't.
Speaker 2: IF he was active i did not See, the game
against indiana so, if he, WAS out you know i
don't know how you justify not.
Speaker 1: Playing, Him, in that.
Speaker 2: No no he played, but six minutes again six minutes
in a, thirty five point win and.
Speaker 1: You have it's he's. A top ten pick you have to.
Invest in, his development it's unseerious.
Speaker 2: Is what it is and it wouldn't even shock me if,
he's traded mid season like some organizations go, Into, that men.
Speaker 1: Sadly okay we. Have a young guy he's not gonna
fit something because like we're, we're frisky this year. We're
doing pretty well let's see, what we can get and
like his salary slot is actually pretty high because this
rookie scale is is? You know up there let Me
just make sure i'm not. Lying to our listeners, but
like six million. That's not a contract you, you don't get,
anything then all right you. Can get Someone there just
saying i'm. Trying to is there i'm trying to think.
IF there's, Anyone Else i mean chris youngblood playing so
much more than now we're down in the slumps. OF
the rookie class. I think we're okay i he.
Speaker 2: Has, not PLAYED a ton and i would not expect him.
To Play A ton but brooks barnheiser is not a
is not THE dregs. Of the na draft that dude
is going, to be a player whether, All, OF a
sudden oh i don't Know If we Need Lou door or,
alex Cruiser Moving forward. Because brooks barnheiser exists just remember
that you heard it here first fair.
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