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Speaker 1: What is up?

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Speaker 2: Fellasiko's I Am Dana Valley coming at you with Mark

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Jensen of the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame

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of Forbes's, fame of HBO Max fame, and of course

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of Only Fans celebrity. We did our Eastern Conference rookie

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check in already.

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Speaker 1: Go check out that episode.

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Speaker 2: A lot of fun, a lot of nerdy, dorky stuff

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in there. We're about to get nerdier and dorkier with

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the Western Conference rookies. Uh, this is more exciting, I

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think for me at least than the Eastern Conference. Class

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was still some names in the East that we're worth

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talking about, but the crop of talent in the Western Conference,

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for me at least, was a lot more fun to scout.

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Before we get started, and Mort and I will bounce around,

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We'll take turns picking you know, which rookies, which teams

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we end up talking about moret Are you doing you

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know what?

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Speaker 1: Man? I am doing good. I'm doing very well because

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and I told this to Brian Saporik, who asked me

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the same question question our neutral buddy on Friday when

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we're doing a podcast, and I told her I'm probably

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gonna chinx it now, but I haven't been six for

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sick for a month and a half, so I just

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to unchinxit. I'm gonna save for the second time because

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I could just see myself having jinxed it on Friday.

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Now here on Tuesday, I'm going to save it for

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a second time. Hopefully it unjinkses the whole thing. That's

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how it works.

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Speaker 2: That's bold because we're entering peak flu cold COVID season anyway,

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So that was very bold of you speaking of peak

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flu season. This is being released on Thanksgiving in America,

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So happy Thanksgiving today everybody who celebrates. We hope you

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enjoy it and have some fun listening to Hardwood Knox

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and the NBA podcast.

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Speaker 1: Is there?

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Speaker 2: I didn't ask you this when we did the East though. More,

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when you're evaluating rookies in general, are there?

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Speaker 1: I tend to I make a joke that I just

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go off vibes.

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Speaker 2: Which is really just me saying I assign a lot

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of value to the eye test, but certain things where it's, oh,

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if they were supposed to be really good at.

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Speaker 1: This and this is really bad might raise my eyes.

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Speaker 2: But is there any thing specifically that you look for

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that maybe you throw out the window in evaluating rookies

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because I think year one in year two they might

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be the most fun seasons to evaluate because.

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Speaker 1: You're not working with much, But at the same time,

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they might.

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Speaker 2: Also be the most complicated seasons to evaluate because you

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don't know what to read into, what baseline to work off.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you included the second year. I think I

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always find that the hardest to evaluate because you know,

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you can come into the league and have a great

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rookie year, then we don't really know who you are

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if you then struggling in year two. And the primary

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example of this is Haimi Hakis right now. Yet we

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just did not know what was going on there. He

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came in as a rookie, did really really well, looked

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like at times a borderline NBA player in year two,

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and now he's what like the leading seasons he has

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the rotation last year for the heat at one point. Yeah, exactly.

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So it's that year two for me is a lot

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more difficult, and I think for me it's just fun.

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I think you kind of nailed it with the rookie year.

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Like I just I don't put too much stock into

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it because I know that they're young, they're coming into

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a new environment. What I have noticed before I actually

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answer your question though, is and I want to give

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rookies this compliment. For a long time, rookies who came

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in were just bad defenders, like horrendous defenders, just very

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very poor. We've seen a pretty sharp flip of that

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over the past, I want to say, five to six years, Like,

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there are a lot of rookies coming in now who

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are quality NPA defenders. I'm really impressed with how they've

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closed that gap so soon, So I want to give

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them that. But there's one thing I'm looking for in

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terms of like the eye test format, hesitation. Just does

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the player hesitate? Is when he gets the ball and

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he's just like a little open, does he grab it

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and look or does just does he grab that thing

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and just shoots the shoot the heck out of it?

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Because the guys who do that are usually usually the

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ones who end up doing well. Like I think, to

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be a star in this league, you do have to

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have some level of irrational confidence, like even as a rookie,

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where your game might not be necessarily at that stage,

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but your mentality just keeps going with it until your

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level just increases year by year by year, and suddenly

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your blatant arrogance is actually as high as your own

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level of game. And then that's when that person becomes

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a star. So just being able to make decisions, quick

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decisions with the ball, being able to just be determined

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and say, yeah, I know exactly what I'm going to

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try to do. Even if they fail, Like VJ Edgcombe,

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about like the West thing, but we talked about last

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time around. He took he takes too many you know,

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pull up twos and whatnot. I don't necessarily hate it

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every single time, Like, yeah, he has some Kobe shots

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where you're like, oh oh, but when he gets to

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a point where oh yeah, I can just load up

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here and take this shot. Sure, why not? Like if

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he gets that down, I don't hate it. Like it's

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not like it's right.

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Speaker 2: It's like getting mad at Ace Bailey for taking a

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step back three when you think it driving lane is open.

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It's allowed them to explore that space right as a

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rookie and it but it's it works in the inverse

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for me too, And Ace Bailey is a good example

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to where when we get to him, I want to

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see the Jazz have him do more things on his

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own or run more places for him. I actually I

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viewed as super encouraging because just the narrative coming out

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of school for him was all over the place. And

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I think you looked at this Utah roster, looked at

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what people were saying coming out of the draft, and

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thought he would dominate the ball, could be hijacking the offense.

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And he hasn't been passive by any stretch, but the

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fact that he is filling in those gaps and trying

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to work is part of that larger ecosystem.

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Speaker 1: I give a ton of credit to it.

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Speaker 2: But then I'm also sitting here, Well, it's good that

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Kiante George is having a good season. It's good that

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the Jazz want to test out Walter Clayton Junior is

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a playmaker, Larry Market is having a great year. But

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I want more on ball Ace Bailey, and the answers

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is yes, but again that's what makes the rookie years

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fun and also a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit complicated. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think this isn't really a pick for either

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of us, but I think that we should just start

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with a rookie that no one has really ever heard of,

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and that would be Cooper Flag of the Dallas Yeah,

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of the Dallas Mavericks. What have been your initial impressions

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of him? Mort And are you let me ask you

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this first, are you all in the camp of people

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who are disappointed that Cooper Flag currently is not running

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away with the Rookie of the Year award.

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Speaker 1: Look, I can't be in any way shape of form

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disappointed in a player who's getting played entirely out of

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position by Jason Kidd to a point where I think

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it's hurting him this year. He's is he the youngest

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player in the league.

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Speaker 2: If not, he's like the second youngest or not even

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nineteen yet He's right exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think that is just too much, too soon,

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throwing him in as point guard. Like I get, I

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know these stats are noisy as hell, but according to

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Basketball Reference, he's played zero zero percent of his minutes

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at the four, and two percent of his minutes at

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the three, seventy seven percent at the two, and twenty

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one percent at the one. Where I'm just like, yeah,

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even when they've moved, they've now been able to move

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away from like we've seen a little bit more of

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Ryan Nemhard, we saw Brandon william even as they move

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away from Cooper flag quote unquote point guard. They're not

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playing him in his optimal position right yet. And I

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think that's probably reflected just as much he's I think

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he's been really good defensively. You want to make that clear, Yeah,

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but you look at the defensive playmaking, it would probably

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be a lot higher and even more impactful if he

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was in the right role or had a different like

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personnel collection around him, right, Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, look,

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when you're playing that farther away from the basket and

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you have to guard like wings and like, yeah, that

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was always going to be part of his job, but

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I wanted him to become more of like a free

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roaming defender because I think that's where he's best. He's

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just not getting that treatment right now by the coaching staff.

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So I think what he's done despite being played out

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position is incredibly, incredibly impressive. I just I am not

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sitting here and being disappointed at anything he's done at all.

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I'm if anything, I'm just in awe at how he

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continuously takes that challenge and goes all right, well, this

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is this is certainly something that's over my head at

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this point, but like, I'm gonna keep going at it.

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I think his mentality is super refreshing, and I think

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the coaching staff is wrong having thrown him into the

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deep end this soon. I think this should have been

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a year two thing, or at the very least, I

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hope that they make a change after like the half

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seasoned mark and say, Okay, like we've tested him out

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that way, now let's go get him into a more

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of a play finish your role, because I think that

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is going to be his primary scoring avenue. I don't

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think it's going to be, hey, let me create stuff

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off the triple consistently. No, I think he needs a

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playmaker who can also set him.

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Speaker 2: Up and that I don't know how much of that

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to put on the coaching staff as much as the

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front office, the Nico Harrison era.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, no, that's that's the front dosh. Yeah yeah,

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And like that.

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Speaker 2: Now it's on Michael Finley and Matt McCarthy to turn

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over the roster and put him in a position where

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he can be at least blend the idea of him

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being a play starter and play finisher better, and they have.

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To this point, what I've really liked about him, I mean,

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like the defense is to me is mostly as advertised.

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I wouldn't have much to add there. He's already the

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two things that stand out for me. He's kind of

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a whiz at sniping those outlet passes in the back

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court where where the offense doesn't really think that anyone's

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gonna try anything, which is weird in this era where

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it feels like everyone's full court pressing more and it's

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fun to watch smaller guards or ball handlers just think

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that they can take him off the dribble and get

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by him, and then either one not or two they do,

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and then he's just gonna block their shot from behind

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at the basket anyway. So the defense, he's gonna be

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spectacular on defense. Yes, offensively, he's been I think better

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than people are giving him credit for. He is quietly

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shooting thirty five point five percent on self created threes

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and just eighteen point four percent off the catch. There's

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a lot of noise there. I think a lot of

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that is defense are gonna sag off him, So those

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are kind of slowed ruble pull ups.

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Speaker 1: He's taking the catch.

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Speaker 2: And shoots the quality of them when you look at

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who is feeding him the ball. But I think it's

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good the fact that he has, Oh, he can hit

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the methodical pull up three. He's also his finishing at

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the rim sixty five percent isn't great for someone at

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quote unquote his position, whatever that is, but mort he

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ranks in the fourteenth percentile of shot quality at the

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basket because of the way the mats are built. So yeah,

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I'll take sixty five percent finishing at the rim. He's

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twelve nineteen on floaters, so he has some touch, and

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he's fifty percent on twos in the paint that aren't

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in the restricted area. The league average on those shots

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is forty four percent. I think this is someone who's

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already a little bit more well rounded offensively than he's

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getting credit for. The efficiency in full has yet to

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catch up, and I can sort of only imagine, well,

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what would it look like if he was just in

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more lineups where he was whether you want to call

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it the day facto four or not, but where it's

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not as many floor spacing liabilities around him and or,

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I mean, would be optimal. But I'll even take or

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the best player getting him the ball? Is who who

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is the best player on the Mavericks getting Cooper Flag

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the ball right now? So if Kyrie Irving does come

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back this season, that will be really fun to see.

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Speaker 1: I have zero disappointments with Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 2: I think the fact that he's not running away with

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Rookie of the Year, it's certainly on the mass roster construction.

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I think it also just says more about Contin Nipple

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VJ Edgecombe specifically, and some of the other guys will

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ultimately talk about.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, you said sixty five percent of the rim

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conversion rate. Yeah, okay, it's because I'm using Basketball Reference

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that has him an almost seventy nine percent efficiency.

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Speaker 2: So I use cleaning the glass which is inside four

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feet and filters out guard.

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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, yep, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: I mean even better than if he's going to be

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eighty percent at the basket and you're in the you know,

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fourteen percentile of shot quality right at the rim.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of insane. Well, because there's there's a follow

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up points to that, which I think I think is

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super interesting. So he's making a I'm using Basketball Reference

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for this one, and that is definitely within three feet

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of the basket, So I get the distinction there where

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he's shooting seventy eight point six percent, only thirty eight

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point six percent of those shots are assisted, So that

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means he's self creating those paths towards the basket for

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the most part and converting at that rate, which I'll

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be honest with you, I did a double take when

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I saw that because the eye test for me did

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not capture that, which is why again, to just say

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it for the thousands time, you have to marry the

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eye test with the numbers because sometimes there's bias going

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on in some capacity like I did. I would never

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in a million years have connected those things. But like,

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that's impressive to me because you know, he's not you know,

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he's not Wemby. In terms of coming into the league.

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It's seven foot ridiculous, Like he's he's six', nine and

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for him to come in and you, know be prototypical

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power forward height and length and just to keep doing,

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THIS i, mean come, on that's. Insane everything is insanely

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encouraging about him is basically.

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Speaker 2: AGAIN i think even when you're looking at the miss jump,

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SHOTS i don't like. It doesn't look like anything is.

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Broken some of the, misses of a, course been, bad

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BUT i would bet that at some point he is

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either in above average if you want to call it

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a mid range, shooter or even just a decidedly above

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average three point. SHOOTER i would bet on at least

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one of those things, happening and if both of them happened,

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happened then game.

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Speaker 1: OVER i don't, LIKE i don't look at that, point

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what are you supposed to do? Again it's to me

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it's just a matter of how are the mass going

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to use him for the rest of this? Year and

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are they going into the trade deadline with the eye

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on providing. MORE i don't want to say help because

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that sounds like they want to accelerate, something but LIKE

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i want to Give cooper, FLEA.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to Trade Anthony. Davis they do want

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to accelerate something. More didn't you Hear Mark? Cuban they're

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not Trading Anthony, davis.

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Speaker 1: But YOU'RE i don't. Know this would be.

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Speaker 2: TRICKY i think there would have to be way moving parts,

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involved but why not try to take a flyer or

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even go after a hot like is there any higher

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end might be, extreme but So jared McCain would be

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a good. Example we don't really kind of know what

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he is In, philly but it'd be interesting to see

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him In dallas where the pecking order is kind of

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clear for, him and then you try to develop the and,

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look if You're, dallas even if you're giving up like

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bigger players in other, trades you're still gonna be big

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enough to cover up For jared McCain. Defensively and so

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a move like that doesn't have to Be jared, McCain

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but just a younger ball handler type To, yeah you

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could hope for the draft for, that but for the

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rest of this, season especially Post All star, Break i'd

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love to see that. Same do you want to pick

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who we do? Next, WELL i, mean, obviously let's just

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go down the draft. Board Dylan harper number two In San.

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ANTONIO i only played six games so.

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Speaker 1: Far that's just say he will WIN. Mvp OH i.

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Speaker 2: DID i did want to shout out two people on

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The Dallas, mavericks the other quick rookies we got playing.

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Time Ryan emhard at the game of his short career

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the other, night dishing out seven. ASSISTS i do like

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his ability to spray when he's in the, paint AND

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si said gave them minutes and has like a block

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rate of nine When dallas was really banged, Up and

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so you would when you look At dallas' roster.

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Speaker 1: More there is no reality in which.

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Speaker 2: You should have thought That Mussa cis should have had

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to log any sort of minutes this. Year but they

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were so banged up at one point that he needed.

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To and so shout out to. HIM i apologize for

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taking us on that.

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Speaker 1: Tangent, no that's that is that is. Fair that is.

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Fair he is a. ROOKIE i wasn't drafted like an

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unders or undrafted. Rookie. Counts it all. Counts this is

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a rookie. Pod but, Yeah i'm gonna go back To

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Dylan harper what we saw in those six, games AND

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i recognize this sample size obviously is a lot smaller

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because of that calf. Strain he was so. Methodical is

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that's probably the best. Word coming into the league immediately

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just he knows where he wants to go at all,

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times he knows how to get, there and he was

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so productive in limited minutes WHERE i was, like, oh,

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okay this this is beginning to look really. GOOD i

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was surprised defensively as how He you, know most big

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players coming into the, league, no especially big, guards they're

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a little afraid of using their. Physicality they're a little

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afraid of like using their muscles and getting into the

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thick of. Things they're, like, oh, yeah Because i'm probably

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gonna get foul Or i'm gonna probably gonna. Foul Harper is, like,

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No i'm gonna get up on, Guys Like i'm gonna

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IF i see a this guy calling for a, Screen

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i'm gonna get right in between those two. Guys i'm

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going to force him the other. Direction, like there's a

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lot to love. There the passing has been has been

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phenomenal in my. Eyes the fact that he can finish

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around the. Basket he made numerous wicked like wrap around

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plays where he just finished right over the top of.

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GUYS i just think this dude carries himself so well

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on THE np. Floor as soon as he hit, it

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he was, like, yeah this is home for. Me it's,

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working so very very excited to see him back hopefully. Soon,

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yeah he was really. Good there's some turnover stuff that's.

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Speaker 2: Concerning he is like eight turnovers on just twenty two

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pick and roll. Possessions but that's just the learning, curve

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AND i think we kind of knew the on.

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Speaker 1: Ball smoothness was going to be. THERE i said this about,

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HIM i think.

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Speaker 2: Coming out Of Summer, league and it didn't change through

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the first part of THIS nba, season the movement off

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the ball and just trusting, that, no this will be

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somebody who can work alongside Both Steph castle And Daron

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fox if they want to go that, route and certainly

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at least one of them we saw more of.

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Speaker 1: It of course With Steph.

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Speaker 2: Castle that is super encouraging because what was the talk

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coming into this, season including on this, podcast WHERE'S i

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don't want to Play it's not the one ball, card

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but it's, well these three guys with none of them

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are considered dead eye, shooters And Dylan harper will probably

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get there, now it feels, like but he could be

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the skeleton key that insures when all three of them are,

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healthy if you want.

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Speaker 1: To run those units.

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Speaker 2: Together he kind of feels like the one who needs

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to make the fewest. Adjustments it feels like that would

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come more naturally to him than either of the other,

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two and that's big for The. Spurs so just as a,

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SCORE i, think is it like you, said the passes

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that he could.

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Speaker 1: Try i'm on, team throw the audacious pass.

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Speaker 2: Now and we'll deal with the turnovers because if you

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start making those on, points that's just going to open

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up and be you, know if we get to year

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three or something and it's.

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Speaker 1: Just you, know we need to have a.

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Speaker 2: Conversation But i'm especially year one and year, Two i'm

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hashtag just just try. Stuff, yeah that's try so, yeah,

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yeah just try out. Shit, honestly that's.

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Speaker 1: Fine, No i'm very encouraged about what he's done so.

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Far and, again the limited minutes to, me like he

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came in and The spurs were, like let's let's issue into.

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It like he's he wasn't even averaging a half of

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PLAYING ti per game before he went, down and he

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was still at like fourteen, points four, rebounds four, assists

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like getting to the foul. Line it's. On it's just

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he understands how to maximize the production level in those limited.

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Minutes it feels like he has this mentality AND i

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think he saw it At rutgers as, Well like when

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he's on the, floor he feels this need to be

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involved in place, like he doesn't shy, away he doesn't

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LOOK i want to turn this into a, verb he

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Doesn't Patrick williams himself out where he's just standing there

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with a thumb up his ass and does. Nothing he's

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like he's actively engaged in whatever action he can get involved,

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in WHICH i think is always such a strong sign

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of future stardom as, well he has not played a.

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Speaker 2: Ton did you Expect Carter bryant to have any type

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of role on this? TEAM i think right now you

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look at it and, say, well between Having Julian, Champenny,

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Harrison barnes small when you're at full, strength tecically, smaller

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just Having Devin, Vessel Fox Castle, harper but especially With

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Kelden johnson playing like he is, now you would have, said,

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no there's not going to be a pathway to him getting.

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Minutes did you expect them, to especially given they have

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like injuries of ripped through this?

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Speaker 1: Rock. Yeah, so AS i said in the earlier episodes

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that we had that we did about The, east WHERE

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i basically apologized For Konka, nipple SAYING i expected him

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to be a second year. Guy that is HOW i

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came into this year With Carter bryant because he was very.

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Young in his first season or his only season With,

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arizona he didn't play a whole. Lot he's he's a.

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Project he's more theoretical at this. POINT i did not

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think that one offseason and one training camp was going

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to change. That so he's basically on course for What

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i'd expected so. Far to be honest with, you, LIKE

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i just never kind of looped him in as a first,

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year highly influential role player.

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Speaker 2: Us mostly in the same. BOAT i thought maybe his

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defense could keep him on the. Floor but it turns

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out IF i, mean it doesn't turn out we do.

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This If wemby's gonna be, healthy and given What Steph

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cassel can, do you don't necessarily need the. DEFENSE i will,

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say in the very very few minutes that he's, played

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he's already had one monster transition, block and there was

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this possession against The. SUNS i think it was earlier

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this month he was Defending Jordan goodwin and just swallowed

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that dude. Hole and he is going to be a defensive.

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Maniac and the question for him is he can move

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well without the. Ball that's not the, problem is can

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he make? Shots we don't know about, that but that'll

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be if he does get playing, time that's gonna be the.

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Question he is what you said at the top of this,

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podcast THOUGH i would already say he's an above average

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we have not seen enough of, him and he's, no

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that's an above average.

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Speaker 1: Defender so these rookies are coming.

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Speaker 2: In you look AT, cmb you look At Cooper, flag

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you look at just some of these other. Guys they're

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coming in and they feel better. Defensively to your, POINT

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i wish we could see more of, him but if

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we see more of, him it's probably because either The

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spurs are unfathomably injured or they've fallen out of the

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playoff race at some, point and you, know you obviously

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don't want to see either of those things, happen, Right and.

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Speaker 1: We should just conclude The Carter brian segment by wishing

474
00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:18,039
him a happy birthday. Tomorrow he's turning twenty years old On.

475
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,200
Thanksgiving look at, Him, Yeah november Twenty, Look I'm danish.

476
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:25,160
MAN i don't know jack About thanksgiving other other than you,

477
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,519
know it's basically a genocide that you guys are. Celebrating

478
00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:30,920
but Like november twenty six is his. Birthday so if

479
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,720
that's when you Celebrate, Thanksgiving.

480
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah a happy birthday To Carter. Bryant then my, Pick

481
00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:39,319
now where should we?

482
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: Go this is.

483
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: Tough let's do, uh let's do The pellies having some things, happening.

484
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:49,839
Speaker 1: Which shout yeah they have no before you, start before you,

485
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,759
Start i'm actually gonna ask. You i'm gonna put you

486
00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:55,480
on the line, here who's the better Rookie Jeremiah fears

487
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:55,799
With Derek.

488
00:23:55,839 --> 00:24:02,559
Speaker 2: Queen, oh you know, so aesthetically the answer should Be.

489
00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:04,559
Fears BUT i think when you start to dig into

490
00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:06,599
the results of what they're gonna, do It's Derek queen

491
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:09,519
just because if you look at The pelicans the way

492
00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:12,400
they move when he, like is he gonna be when

493
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,440
he's being used as a.

494
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: Hub it's just.

495
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: Different it's in the same vein Of jokic and al

496
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,039
pahin Shangun to where the players are just moving around him.

497
00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:22,039
Differently and the other. Thing let's, hey, look let's go

498
00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:25,680
ahead and start With Derek queen. Here, uh he Has

499
00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:29,039
zion playing off the ball more when they're. Together there

500
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,160
was THE i think it was there was the. Game

501
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,440
it was the game against The. BULLS i was watching And,

502
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:35,759
zion they basically run like a mid post.

503
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: Picking it was like a mid range pick and.

504
00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,519
Speaker 2: Roll zion sets the screen from the midpoles mid post

505
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,599
and then like sprints to the rim and it turns

506
00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:45,000
into an alley oop and it's just that's a fun.

507
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:47,960
Tandem but the idea Of zion not having like those

508
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,440
are plays to Where zion's bodies not being put through the.

509
00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:53,079
Ringer and there are different types of, playmakers because what

510
00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:55,200
do we know About. Zion he's kind of closer to

511
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:58,640
The Russell westbrook type of, playmaker where it's this force

512
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,319
of nature going. Downhill that's how he's going to generate his.

513
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,519
Advantages Derek queen is more of a like a finesse

514
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:08,440
guy who's gonna use complicated footwork to create those advantages

515
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,839
or pass from a. Standstill the passing is JUST i

516
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,559
want to see more of. IT i understand that there's

517
00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:15,839
other mouths to feed on the. Roster though of COURSE

518
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:18,759
i think he's been. Great he's actually impressed. Me you

519
00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:21,839
would maybe great is a, stretch but you look at.

520
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,519
It it would be awesome if he had some more perimeter.

521
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:29,119
Efficiency the three balls just not there right. Now he

522
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:33,119
is shooting eleven of nineteen on floaters and forty nine

523
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,119
point three percent on, drives and it doesn't really feel

524
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,000
like he's getting deep enough on his drives, yet so

525
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,640
those might be good. Harbingers he's just a little too

526
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,240
mid range heavy at the moment for. Me but, Defensively

527
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,720
i've been actually impressed with his, activity AND i know

528
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,079
That Willie green was using him more aggressively Than James

529
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:55,799
brego is probably going to in the short and long.

530
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,839
Term that's probably better is he probably needs to be

531
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,279
a guy who's in. Drop but, man he intercepted an

532
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,960
entry pass against The nuggets On jokich like he just

533
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,480
has really active, Hands and SO i wouldn't mind seeing

534
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:12,160
the mix in aggressive coverages with more sort of base defensive.

535
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,440
Coverages AND i do believe as A i guess more

536
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,920
of as a fundamental rim, protector not someone who's gonna

537
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,400
make a ton of reads as the helper or chase

538
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,519
down guys in swat away.

539
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:24,559
Speaker 1: Shots he can be a standstill rim.

540
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: Protector he's only six' nine and his defensive footwork can

541
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:30,359
be all over. The place but if you can say that,

542
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,200
about him opponents are shooting five point seven percent worse

543
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,279
at the rim when he's on the floor, in general

544
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:39,359
like the. Entire teams that's sort of just an interesting

545
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,400
subplot to this because if he can do this stuff

546
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,599
now for the, most part maybe foul a little.

547
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,599
Speaker 1: Bit less, of course that's a.

548
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: Really good sign for the future when you're, looking, at

549
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,920
well how do we build a defense out around?

550
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: This GUY so i Really Like derk QUEEN and i

551
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,240
that's a necessary pre cursor For what i'm about. To

552
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:06,440
say The baby jokic stuff is. Such bullshit we need

553
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,000
to stop putting that. On him it's. So unfair it

554
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:11,359
is SO like i know that you you're saying it's

555
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,920
sort of, in JEST like i know what you're trying,

556
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,720
to say but like this has become a. Whole thing

557
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,119
WHY did i call Him? Baby joki oh you didn't

558
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,240
call him Baby yok You said jokic, esk right you

559
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,400
describe something with THE passes, i said players move around

560
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,440
him Differently like yokic and Shape. Like, jokichen okay, My

561
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:28,920
bad but Like the yokic stuff is, out THERE and

562
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,559
i fucking. HATE it i hate IT because i think

563
00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:34,200
it's just it's putting so much pressure on a twenty

564
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:37,039
year old young man who at the same time he's

565
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:39,480
already dealing with the Pressure Of joe dumore is making

566
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:42,039
those two traits and making him like the lynchpin of. Those,

567
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,839
TRAITS also i think the comp. IS wrong i think

568
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,279
it's the wrong player that is being used. For him

569
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,400
THE more i watch Him, play dan the more he

570
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:55,759
reminds Me Of, DeMarcus cousins just the way that, he

571
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,880
moves the way that he, actually scores the way he

572
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,759
handles the ball but like getting from a dribble drive

573
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:04,440
position into, scoring position the way, he Passes like bookie

574
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,720
was a super underrated passer. AS well i think that's

575
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:10,359
the comp. For ME whenever I Watched derrek, queen play

576
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,359
that's the player that comes up in. My Head, it's cousins.

577
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: That's that's Better, than jokic. FOR sure i didn't Know

578
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,359
the jokic comparisons were going around in all That VAIN

579
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,039
he's I Know DeMarcus cousins was nimble footed for, his

580
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,240
Size But derek queen moves more like a Wing than cousins.

581
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:30,880
Ever did but then you Look And derek queen at

582
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,119
six' nine kind of is what a wing would be,

583
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,480
in the League so that cousins is. A way better

584
00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:38,119
i don't know if there would even be a better,

585
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,039
one Out there but cousins just felt he had more

586
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:43,240
of that brute force nature IN him than I Think that.

587
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:46,640
Derek queen, does but yeah this, is definitely closer at

588
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,359
least when you're looking at as an on ball, creator

589
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,880
and score He's closer in Cousins.

590
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,759
Speaker 1: Than a jokis and like that's not a, bad comp

591
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:57,519
either like before he went down, and, like, really yeah

592
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:04,240
yeah that dude what overpowering. AND highly, dominant i mean

593
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,359
that was the guy who was draining several, triples per

594
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,200
game he was getting to. The foul. Line it's on

595
00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:11,880
he was grabbing a, ton of rebounds savaging, like five

596
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,519
assists going twenty five, points per game like he Was A.

597
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:18,480
Freaking all star, but LIKE so so i think it's

598
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,400
important to also just put it And the reason, i'm mentioning,

599
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,039
it you know, the yoga stuff like just take A

600
00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:26,599
Look at basketball reference already there in, the Nickname section

601
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:29,920
baby jokic and like. You you urge It's just, like

602
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:34,039
ESOP guys like i hate it because he's just not

603
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,759
that advanced. Of A playmaker ash yokich with like who?

604
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,799
Speaker 2: Is who is as as our resident, FAN of hyperbole i.

605
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,279
DON'T mind it i think if you're using it to

606
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:45,839
if that's.

607
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:47,799
Speaker 1: The bar against which he is now going, to be

608
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,319
judged that's.

609
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: Where it's unfair but if you just want to Get

610
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,480
Excited about derek queen, and, say, yeah yeah oh he's

611
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,759
like What If a Kima LaJuan and nikola jokic? Had

612
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:57,160
a baby i'm all, for that stuff, just early on,

613
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,160
because it's. Right it's funny it gets to a point

614
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,720
where it's grading if you're actively penalizing him because he's

615
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:05,279
not that right for sure.

616
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: RIGHTS and THAT'S i just i don't want that to

617
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,319
be put, on him, because LIKE again like, i said

618
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,440
before he already has To Carry the, joe DUMARS trades

619
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,039
and i hate. THAT for him i really genuinely hate

620
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:20,720
that FOR him because i think it's so important to

621
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:23,960
support young players that that was completely out. Of his

622
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:27,160
control he did not ask to be like the centerpiece.

623
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,480
Of all this he never, asked of that and, everyone,

624
00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:32,400
Is Like well derek queen better, be, good then, like

625
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,920
come on give the. Guy a break he's. Twenty years

626
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,599
Old jesus so this is all a long way From

627
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,960
me saying I'm Own. The derek, Queen, YOU know bandwagon,

628
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,240
i love it giving Me Everything. About derek queen just

629
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:49,200
don't put the extra level of. EXPECTATIONS upon him i think.

630
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,440
It's so unfair let's, Let's let him let's allow him

631
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,559
to develop within.

632
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,799
Speaker 2: His, own pace Please it was it's just never gonna

633
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:01,279
happen because of THE trade as i think, that this,

634
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:05,279
podcast your podcast other podcast will distinguish between that move

635
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:07,640
and the player. That he becomes but he's always just

636
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,839
going to be inextricably. Linked to that and maybe that's

637
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,720
also part of the impulse For saying baby yokich is

638
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:16,640
the steaks are already, just so high so you might

639
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:16,880
as well?

640
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: Just WHY not now i have three follow up, Questions,

641
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,720
about this. Okay go ahead What do you what do

642
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:24,119
you make?

643
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: Of the shooting he's at about seventy eight percent from.

644
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,079
Speaker 1: The foul line he has been god.

645
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,839
Speaker 2: Awful from three do you see this as someone who

646
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:34,799
could develop as it.

647
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to, be high volume but oh we trust

648
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:36,960
him to.

649
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: Hit SET jumpers, So i yeah you're you're asking a,

650
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,559
good Question there because i'm still.

651
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: Not, so surprised no that's A, good que no you ask.

652
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:50,319
Good questions generally but but you're catching me a little

653
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:53,559
bit on This one because i'm still not settled within

654
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,319
Myself TO where because i love the stroke from the,

655
00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,720
free throw, LINE the three i don't like, the shooting

656
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:04,119
mechanics just like he's extending himself a little further further

657
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,240
than what. He's COMFORTABLE with but i do respect that

658
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:09,960
the fact that, he's taking THEM and as i said

659
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,799
at the top, of THE program like i also like

660
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,759
that he's taking those. SHOTS without hesitation i think, that's

661
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:20,960
a great. Great Encouraging sign but i'm like curious in,

662
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,519
regards to like if, he, keeps missing right is that

663
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:26,960
going to? Affect his confidence is he going to start

664
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,519
like second guessing himself when, he's taking threes or is

665
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,759
he capable of going through a whole year, where, He's

666
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:35,240
saying look i'm gonna take a three or two per

667
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,160
game BECAUSE that's what i need to do for. My

668
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,880
own Development and if i'm gonna end up shooting ten

669
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,680
percent over the course of my rookie, season on them.

670
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,200
So be it if he, has that mentality, good, for

671
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:50,200
him genuinely, that'd be great because. That's WHAT'S necessary, BUT

672
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,880
i personally i think he's like, a year away maybe

673
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,839
a year, and a half two years away from like

674
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,759
really being a, three point shooter someone who's should take them.

675
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,480
With high regularity but at, THE same time i fucking

676
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,839
respect what he's doing because he. Hears the noise i've

677
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,759
been saying it for like half, a year, now you,

678
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:15,359
Know no three, no d guy that's, not exactly, encouraging

679
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,400
you know as, a lottery pick, And, he's like hey,

680
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,119
You know what i'm going to do. My best offensively

681
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,880
i'm also going to try to. GET that three, I Respect.

682
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,880
THAT derek queen i fucking respect that he's trying to

683
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,279
turn the, entire NARRATIVE around and. I RESPECT it so

684
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,119
i don't care what he. ENDS up shooting i just

685
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,640
want him to see that take that shot again, and

686
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,079
again again as long as it doesn't affect. His CONFIDENCE

687
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,319
level but i will say the mechanics need work. FROM

688
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:43,559
out there i honestly don't know how to feel. ABOUT

689
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:45,880
it either i do trust him to kind of Score

690
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,279
from The DeAndre and.

691
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: ISAIAH hartenstein range i think that the, mid range game

692
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,720
even the long, mid range game will come along and,

693
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,279
like we said with, the floater stuff we've seen some of. That, already,

694
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:59,400
WORKING yeah defensively i think he's been better than you

695
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,400
would said be Work on, Him no Three, NO d oh.

696
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: I did too i'm he's guilty. Of that Too. He's.

697
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,319
Definitely no three at least they're. Not, going, in yeah.

698
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah he's not, He's REALLY. Not NO d but i

699
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,679
do wonder this was, my other question what's the ideal

700
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,039
type of front corp? Partner for him it's not in

701
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,159
it's fun watching Him Play, with ZION williams and i want,

702
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,239
to be clear that is not the ideal front Corn Partner.

703
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:30,039
Speaker 1: For derek queen, so to me, he feels, like defensively

704
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:35,960
speaking like a little bit Better Than. Prime nikola vusovich,

705
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,880
and you know people, will say booge like he's. A,

706
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,039
shitty defender yeah now now that he gotten significantly, Older,

707
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:47,360
and slower yeah he was actually Pretty, Decent in orlando like.

708
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,119
He understood angles he knew he wasn't going to be a,

709
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,440
major shot blocker so what he wanted to do was

710
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,119
deter players from taking a, lot of shots so like

711
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,159
He would roatchate in, THE same time i feel that's

712
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,719
sort of what We're Seeing with derek. QUEEN right now i.

713
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,800
DON'T hate that i don't think he's going to be

714
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,920
someone who ends up, being you know quote unquote, a

715
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:10,360
great defender like a. Generational defender whatsoever so if we

716
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,000
put him into that kind, of You know, player archet

717
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,239
Type A prime, nikola vusovich defender then, you, ask yourself

718
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,360
like what what is the type of defender you need

719
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,239
Alongside A? Prime nikola vusovich and Is That A? Jaron

720
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,599
jackson junior is that like An In? Prime aaron Gordon

721
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,199
like who whoch? Actually, played, With.

722
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: Like yeah aaron gordon's. A good one I had been

723
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,920
i'd Been Thinking About. Jaron jackson junior i've been Thinking

724
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,400
About og an andobi would have been My PRIDE good

725
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,760
and i think now, after watching him you want someone,

726
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,960
From THAT mold but i don't think they need to

727
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,679
be as good right to where it's if it was

728
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,480
what would be a good If It, was kegan murray

729
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,320
who's been really good defensively, when he's healthy but He's

730
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,519
not Og Anobi's. Not aaron gordon if it was even

731
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:57,559
if It Was, j allen johnson maybe that's a. Little

732
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,400
TOO light but i and those are. All good play

733
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,360
this is not you Can't Just. Find jalen johnson That's

734
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,400
not what i'm. Trying to say but you don't need

735
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,880
in all defense caliber four or five next to him

736
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:14,119
for at least for your baseline. Defense to work is my.

737
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,159
Very early impression we have Not Talked. ABOUT jeremiah fears

738
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,519
i don't know how you felt about him coming out.

739
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,280
OF the draft i Was Not A jeremi. Jeremiah fears

740
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,719
guy he Turned Me. In summer league he has continued

741
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,079
to turn. Me ever since the three point shot can,

742
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:33,760
still be shaky but thirty six point four percent on,

743
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,119
self created threes that is money he. Needs to bring

744
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,280
he was higher on catching shoots earlier. In the year

745
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:41,440
he's down to thirty six, point eight percent but that

746
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,320
gives you confidence that he can be an above average or.

747
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,639
Average set shooter he's Still shooting over his percentages have

748
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:51,519
come down over the past, couple of weeks but he's

749
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,920
still shooting over fifty percent on nearly thirteen, drives Per

750
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,239
game which he's another guy where when you look, at

751
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,639
the volume when you look at just the level of

752
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,760
defense of attention he commands with his live dribble if

753
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,840
you're gonna shoot over fifty percent on drives at that.

754
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,840
Volume per game and, by the way he's not even

755
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,599
playing thirty, minutes a game so thirteen drys or thirty

756
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:11,039
minutes per.

757
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: Game is insane the shooting, at the rim this.

758
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: Is per cleaning the glass has dipped below, fifty eight

759
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,400
percent and he's not drawing a. TON of fouls i

760
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,039
honestly don't care about either of THOSE things because i

761
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:27,159
just think that. They're gonna come his on ball speed and.

762
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,960
Handles ARE insane and i would also say the. Defense

763
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,559
of playmaking he's pretty frenetic at points when it comes

764
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:38,400
to denying the ball when he's guarding, away from it

765
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:42,679
and he's really good at generating steals if he's playing.

766
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,119
The cutting lanes this is TO me when, I watch

767
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:48,079
him i want to make it clear with at least

768
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:52,159
the finishing, around the, RIM the, Handle i see Oh

769
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:54,679
What if kyrie irving was more of. A defensive playmaker

770
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,119
that's a Terrible comp because fears is not The shooter

771
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:01,719
that kyrie has. Basically always been but he just has

772
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,679
those daring do handles and then the types of finishes

773
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:09,039
that he can attempt. AROUND the basket i am way

774
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:12,039
more In on the jeremiah of yours experience THAN not

775
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:14,400
only i, expected TO be but i expected to be

776
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:17,159
Relative to this PELICAN situation where i think you look

777
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:20,679
at this roster and say it's not Really optimized for,

778
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,119
jeremiah yours strengths and yet he's still been a.

779
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Relative to, expectations to me he's. Been really good. He's

780
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,840
been good i'm actually curious why you were not a guy?

781
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,519
Who you Know you Weren't you? Weren't jeremiah fierce guy's

782
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,440
kind of what you said going, into the season or

783
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,840
at least last? Year in? College? What what what what

784
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,440
was like outside. Of the shooting it's just those are

785
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,159
the red flag.

786
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: Types for me is it's always KIND of why I

787
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,039
was more i don't want, to Say Disenchanted But john morant.

788
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:54,119
Speaker 1: I'VE never been i.

789
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: Think he was transcendent, at HIS peak but i always just,

790
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,039
kind of wondered if the jumper is not going, to

791
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:00,159
come along what?

792
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: Does HE become and.

793
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: I tend to i can move, on my opinions especially

794
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,440
if they're gonna, try ON defense which i think we've Seen,

795
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:10,159
That from fears but he's KIND of just. I DON'T

796
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:13,000
know there's i, love THE aesthetics so i go off

797
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:16,280
vibes And So like john morant is entertaining in part because,

798
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,000
of His aesthetics but fears shooting the ball better FROM

799
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:22,559
three than i would have expected in those play situations has.

800
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:24,320
Helped a ton but it's why so coming out this

801
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,320
Is a good this is a great discussion because you

802
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,239
weren't so Much Of a. TREY johnson guy i inherently

803
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,480
believe more in those archetypes scaling to HAVING a successful

804
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,239
NBA career than i Do someone like fears because it

805
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,800
feels like he needs to prove this. Really important SKILL

806
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,760
and then i probably didn't trust whether his finishing.

807
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,159
Speaker 1: Was going to be a lead, enough, to say well

808
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:47,960
we know he can do.

809
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,159
Speaker 2: This one, THING now here i am sitting looking at

810
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:53,559
the percentages and, it's, all, right like yeah he's decidedly

811
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:55,239
below average at the, rim right, now but no he's

812
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:55,639
just going, to.

813
00:39:55,679 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: Be fine, Right, two questions one did that did you

814
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:05,840
Also STRUGGLE with tyree's maxi back, in the day because

815
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,679
then because he came into the league with not not

816
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,039
a reputation of being a shooter and now obviously he

817
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:14,639
is WAS that because i made That Mistake. WITH tyree's

818
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,760
maxie i was skeptical when he came. INTO the league,

819
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,960
i was like he, Didn't Shoot Well, LIKE i'm i'm

820
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:22,519
i don't think necessarily he's going to be as clean cut,

821
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:24,280
of fit. Yeada YadA YadA but he. Was the motor,

822
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:27,920
it was like as soon as he started just displaying

823
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,639
the ridiculous motor, that he had, It, was like okay,

824
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,559
you know. WHAT screw it i made a. MISTAKE with

825
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,280
fears i struggled initially with, the three TWO not because

826
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,039
i actually thought he was, a bad shooter but like

827
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,320
he just took, Bad shots right like he was a

828
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,760
guy who would take so many very very long pull

829
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,000
ups over the course of last, season IN college where,

830
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,639
i was like that's just a. Bad SHOTS selection do

831
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,079
i trust that GOING into the Nba and now jordan,

832
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:59,519
pulls his teammate? What IS right but i never. Questioned

833
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:02,039
the motor, and that's why like EVERY single time i,

834
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:04,679
WATCHED him play, i was like, you know what that

835
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:08,039
that three point concern, That just began it begins to

836
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,679
fill less and less. In my head it's just, sort, of,

837
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,960
like yeah okay, You know what he'll. Figure it out like,

838
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,719
the motors. There you could he's basically a bunch of

839
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,719
clay and you can just sort of create him as.

840
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,239
You want to he's, just too, quick too strong which

841
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,119
sounds ridiculous when he's like he wets what one seventy,

842
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:31,440
five or, something, but like yeah, pretty the, strength. That

843
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:36,719
RIGHT exactly and i trusted, his touch too because when

844
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,800
he would get into like that mid range area in,

845
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,559
college as well and he would pull up LIKE those,

846
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,920
Were nba moves like, Those, Were like oh i'm gonna snake,

847
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,360
The pig roll i'm gonna get into the. Foul line

848
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,239
area i'm just gonna pull. Up on guys, it, was

849
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,119
like huh. Look like that we're seeing like at least,

850
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:57,559
two or THREE like legit nba moves from a shot

851
00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:02,119
selection perspective every single, game at least and we're seeing,

852
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:04,239
like the playmaking we're, seeing the rebounding we're seeing the.

853
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,599
Athleticism as well so that was that WAS something that

854
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,920
i never really was too. Concerned about it and the

855
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,119
second question for you is the fact that his shot

856
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:15,800
selection was, bad in college but the fact that he

857
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,960
was still a decent shooter when he, took you know quote.

858
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:22,920
Unquote normal shots was that baked into your concern the

859
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,000
fact that he just took those. Outrageous JUMPING offs so.

860
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: I Think no it actually the bigger thing was having

861
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:31,800
questions about what would the shooting look LIKE at? The

862
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,760
nba level and then is this somebody who could like the?

863
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,079
Other player type that disenchants me is these guards who,

864
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:42,320
can't be wings but they can't be point guards and

865
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,559
so basically two guards where it feels like that position

866
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:49,159
doesn't exist at least in. Proliferation, as much yeah, AND

867
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,480
to me i still don't know if he can drive

868
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,440
the offense. As a playmaker but because he's just so

869
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:59,039
quick on ball, and the defensive like when you look

870
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:01,400
at how many bodies or being drawn to the ball when,

871
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:01,920
he's getting.

872
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,079
Speaker 1: Downhill he's going as they get.

873
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: Better shot makers and even better, cutters around him it's just.

874
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,400
Gonna BE easier and i think if you have pairing

875
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,840
him with sort of like not To, bring back jokic

876
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,920
But The way jamal murray IS. Paired, WITH nicolea Jokic

877
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,719
I think jamal murray is the Better. Passer than fears

878
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,400
let me, make it clear but to be the second

879
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,840
derry playmaker on your team as the starting primary guard

880
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:27,199
that feels more so well. Within his reach and so

881
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,079
those are the two Things that are they were red,

882
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,320
flags for me and they're as of right now they're not.

883
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,119
Speaker 1: Red. Flags Anymore so the. Pelicans got Nicolea Jokicch and

884
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,159
jamal murray, in this Draft is What i'm. What, i'm,

885
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:38,880
hearing okay well.

886
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,079
Speaker 2: They might have Gotten Better, than jamal murray, but you

887
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:44,639
know defensive playmake The Way that, jeremiah fears does maybe

888
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:49,559
like Playoff Super. HEALTHY jamal murray i do want to

889
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:51,679
SHOUT out because i did watch them. Film On him

890
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:56,440
michaeh pev is a defensive psychopath and he's incredibly. Tough

891
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,280
to screen they Had him guarding wemby for like an

892
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,760
actual stretch at one point when They. PLAYED the spurs

893
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,559
i do not know if, he could SHOOT and if i,

894
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:06,119
had to guess the answer is probably going. To be

895
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,840
no and that's kind of because but he is just.

896
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:13,039
DEFENSIVE for neticism i do Not Have any, hunter, dickinson's.

897
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: THOUGHTS though so i.

898
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: Apologize that's fair did you want to take us to

899
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,199
another team, slash.

900
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,079
Speaker 1: Player PLAYER primarily because i don't really want to talk

901
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:26,159
about this. Team TOO much, WHENEVER i do i, start

902
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:26,719
BEING oh?

903
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: Can?

904
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: I GUESS yeah?

905
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 2: Can? I, guess Then, Yeah, the, grizzlies yeah yeah we

906
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,360
need To Talk about cedric Coward And.

907
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: Only. Cedric, coward, man look well we just did twenty Minutes.

908
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: ON the pelicans i want to know what other national

909
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,519
podcast is doing that without focusing solely on The Trade that.

910
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: Joe, DUMARS made wow i. Mean we did we did,

911
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:54,800
TOUCH on, it. I said solely we focused on the return,

912
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:58,599
of the Trade Which. Was derek queen but so did

913
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:04,079
we find The new era mikale, Bridges In? Uh cedric,

914
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:10,360
Coward Because well. Draymond green disagrees, he thinks that and,

915
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,599
this is oh you were never allowed to start a. Sentence,

916
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:15,920
That way no so his, response, THIS is well i.

917
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: SHOULD say this i Don't Listen to, draymond green's podcast

918
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,639
but THE clips that i see going around are not

919
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,519
as insightful as the comments He Made about cedric cowhard

920
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:28,320
that seem over the. Top and Wrong He thinks cedric

921
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,719
coward Is The. Next kwhi leonard but the way that

922
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,039
wrapped it Out and said kawhi, couldn't do this he

923
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:36,280
Couldn't Shoot like cedric cowhard when he came. Into The

924
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,280
league cedric coward maybe can't DEFEND like how, i could

925
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,199
now but like, That evening out but the answer he

926
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,119
gave was just, so IN depth and i was If

927
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:46,800
This was, DRAYMOND green's podcast i Would Listen to. DRAYMOND

928
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,199
green's podcast i Think You saying michale bridges or even

929
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,800
someone else in that vein makes MORE sense because i

930
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,840
don't see the and we didn't See this with kawhi,

931
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,599
to be clear coming in the primary shot creation like

932
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,840
Type From from frederick, Coward, Right now.

933
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm okay kawhi of, a, pool there okay Especially

934
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:11,440
with Somewhere Remember.

935
00:46:11,199 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: When gary harris was Going to be kawhi? Two point

936
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,719
zero that was the like.

937
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: This, IS what no i. Don't remember that.

938
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: In five thirty eight It Was WHY gary harris i

939
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,000
Think It, was chris harry who's, a spectacular writer went

940
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,639
Through The ladis gary harris Was having a it was

941
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:29,719
one of it was, a great article but like we

942
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,920
just get caught up and these players are having career

943
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,639
seasons or doing, a certain thing and so we just

944
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,440
throw these. Comps, out there Coward What if cedric coward

945
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,119
Is both Mckal Bridges, and kawhi leonard like like is

946
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:45,280
he is he stuck between the middle of them or

947
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,039
is he both at.

948
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: The same time he's both at the same he's the

949
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,920
best Version of both kawhi and, oh, My.

950
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,159
Speaker 2: God okay so so Basically He's a kawhi leonard.

951
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: Who actually plays that's. What he is because if he's

952
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,880
A combination Between Kawhi, and mikail bridges he plays eighty

953
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,519
two games. Every single year any plays. With pace too

954
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,079
he's not really going to juice the pace all right to.

955
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:13,800
Turn serious though hell of a Pull By, the memphis grizzlies,

956
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,199
and you know this is what. They can do THIS

957
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,239
is where, i love, them you know being able to

958
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,440
just find these guys in the middle of, the first

959
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,559
round even later in, The first round like they. Just

960
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,400
find guys it's it's always the top of the draft

961
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,719
that becomes a little bit. Tough for Him But like cedric.

962
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,000
Coward is awesome he is, going to, be you know

963
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:35,760
one of THOSE three and d guys who we all

964
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:39,360
look at over the next ten years, ago good lord

965
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:43,960
like he would fit in so well at insert every

966
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,360
single TEAM in, The nba here like he's. Just, so

967
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:48,960
plucking yeah what team would he? Not, work on. Yeah

968
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:54,400
Exactly right the king is probably. Because They're, fast the.

969
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: Kings he, look serious question you're joking If You replace

970
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,079
demarta Rosen et cetera, coward Right now the kings are a.

971
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:09,679
Batter basketball team that's not That's more about i'm about what.

972
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,880
But that's not that's, JUST not spicy I, guess because okay,

973
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,320
first Of all the kings are overloaded, with non Wings

974
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,519
Even though doug christie thinks that.

975
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: They're not right, My point is. Damar Is good the.

976
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:24,280
Mar's super talented here's a guy, who's you know obviously,

977
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:26,679
coward is too but he's not not as, well around

978
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,280
it like his skills are, primarily you. Know two factors

979
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,480
but he's going to fix stuff because he's not high

980
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:39,000
usage like this dude is going to be. A WINNING

981
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:42,719
player and i Just hope the grislies understand what they have.

982
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,199
On their hands they're.

983
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:48,079
Speaker 2: Starting, him now yeah so that must mean. That, THEY

984
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:51,519
do yeah i mean my question would be is what

985
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:54,960
is how good or valuable can you be if he

986
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,400
doesn't if you're not going to if you have to

987
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,360
be the second or third, option on offense and even

988
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,960
the way he plays offense now he probably needs to

989
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,159
be more of like.

990
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: A third option he's just the se and.

991
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,199
Speaker 2: He's a rookie this, could still develop but if the

992
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,159
self creation, doesn't come still He's kind of he's had

993
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:16,760
a guard some really tough assignments on. The defensive end

994
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:20,440
the shooting has been just incredible by and large.

995
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: The entire season.

996
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: He's shooting really like sub thirty eight. Percent on drive

997
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,679
so that's a little bit of. A CONCERN there but

998
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,519
i think if you just want someone who's, plug and

999
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:31,760
play and we've seen he's been able to move like

1000
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,000
when he does have the ball in his.

1001
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: HANDS with it i don't know what. HIS ceiling, IS

1002
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:37,119
i know i know that we've.

1003
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: Thrown Names around McHale bridges feels More Fair, than kawhi

1004
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,159
leonard but even That is McHale bridges.

1005
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: WAS always okay i have another, one for you which.

1006
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:54,800
You're gonna love his top Tier Ceiling is turmanty kamara

1007
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:57,280
with a more. Staple offensive game.

1008
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: So you know that would imply that you don't have

1009
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,960
high expectations for if he could do anything, on.

1010
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: The ball well not. NECESSARILY like that.

1011
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:09,159
Speaker 2: I mean tomorrow tomorrow can, do the, attack closeout stuff

1012
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:10,519
but that's, really, The Extent.

1013
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: Right but i'm saying a more, Nuanced OFFENSIVE game like

1014
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,599
I don't think coward necessarily is going to be someone

1015
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,760
who you can give, the ball, too would say go,

1016
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,239
make a play because we also have. To be realistic

1017
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,960
he came into the league as. An old rookie he's

1018
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,840
twenty two already, he started, THIS so like i think

1019
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,679
we're a little bit closer to, like his, prime his

1020
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,280
ceiling and even if he doesn't have the on ball

1021
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,400
Chops Like, at tumani kamara with a more efficient and higher,

1022
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,440
volume offensive game is that not a thirty. Million, Dollar,

1023
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,280
player honestly.

1024
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: No it is, and then look he's a. Willing, ball

1025
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,920
mover yeah isn't going to. On his drives he's, not

1026
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,400
shooting well but he's not going to turn the Ball.

1027
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,840
Over reight ton and JUST the thing i, come back

1028
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,719
to And this is i'm just, GOING to continue i

1029
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,719
guess spotlight your point from the top of the podcast

1030
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,440
about rookies being better defensively even when he was coming,

1031
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,119
off the bench just the guys that he had to

1032
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,440
line up against without really having any help being left to,

1033
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,000
His Own, Devices Kay, Cunningham Cooper, Flag, Devin, Booker. Shake,

1034
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:17,519
gilges alexander, yeah that's Bonkers and so. I'm WITH YOU

1035
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:20,159
he's i i just struggle with his ceiling in. A

1036
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:22,559
good WAY is that i think whatever we said it

1037
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:24,760
at where it's either gonna be too ambitious or. Not

1038
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:30,199
ambitious enough because if you start Throwing, like is ojiannaobi does?

1039
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,400
That make sense or he's not Really gonna do he's

1040
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,119
not like the. Five position guys. So that's tough i'm

1041
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:38,679
Gonna Stick with tremani kamara with a more.

1042
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,679
Speaker 1: Consistent Three pointer McHale.

1043
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: Bridges feels closest just with mchal bridges higher VOLUME from

1044
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,840
three i think would.

1045
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,639
Speaker 1: Be feels close. It feels close maybe it just for. Like,

1046
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,679
Seven years yeah look.

1047
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: The version of mckel bridges we're, WATCHING this season i

1048
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:56,719
will take eleven times.

1049
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: Out of ten yeah.

1050
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,679
Speaker 2: He, is great yeah but so do you think that's

1051
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:04,079
guess this all comes to the Head of the grizzlies,

1052
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:07,840
in their direction, whatever it is what level of? Cornerstone

1053
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,519
is he is this someone where it's They should trade

1054
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:14,440
jah And Rebuild around Cedria Coward And jared jackson junior.

1055
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:19,639
Or In Theory if john moran is going to normalize

1056
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,400
at some point, And Stay healthy cedric coward is almost

1057
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,199
in the best spot because he is kind of that.

1058
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: That third, wheel so yeah you Don't Build. Around cedric

1059
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,079
coward that very important to me that you, don't, do

1060
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,519
that because like as many superlatives that we've, thrown out

1061
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,920
here he's. Not that dude he's not someone you just

1062
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,400
tear down your. Organization FOR now would i prefer to

1063
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,960
see him with a POINT guard who's i guess we

1064
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:52,599
can just say it More Mature, than john moran someone

1065
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,599
who's More Disciplined. Than, John moran yeah Like if The

1066
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:59,280
hawks and grizzlies were to do, my you Know Pretty

1067
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,960
simplistic John Moran for. Trey young trade THAT'S one Where

1068
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:07,559
i think cedria cow would be super Interesting. Next to,

1069
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:12,480
Trey for example jaw specifically IS not someone i want to. Pair,

1070
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:14,840
him with well so? What is it so throw the

1071
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,960
if like the stuff, you're, talking, about leadership okay three

1072
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,880
point the lack of, three point shot like the. LACK

1073
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,079
of space i was just curious as to Why you Like.

1074
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:27,679
Trey than. Jaws the gravity the. Gravity for. Sure, THE

1075
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,159
gravity Also i think trey's. A better playmaker i think

1076
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,039
he's he. Has, THIS thing Yeah i think trey has

1077
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:36,039
a knack, for finding guys especially outside the, three point

1078
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:39,599
line a Lot Better. THAN jay is i Understand that

1079
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,360
every grizzlies fan is going to throw this stat at

1080
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,239
us Again Where whenever, john moran plays they win sixty percent,

1081
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,519
Of the, games, AND like yeah. I hear you but at,

1082
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:48,400
the same time.

1083
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: You gotta look at like how it seems, built ULTIMATELY

1084
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,280
speaking AND i think i would want a point guard

1085
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,280
who is more playmaking oriented and has more AND capabilities

1086
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:04,440
if i want to optimize The, Playoff CENTRIC coward.

1087
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: So i would want Someone Else. Than. JOHN morant uh

1088
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:12,960
i Do Think The jared Jaction junior centric coward fit is.

1089
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,400
Actually pretty decent coward obviously is going to take over

1090
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,360
the rebounding department because he's better At it Than Jaron.

1091
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 2: To action junior THAT'S not even i should have known.

1092
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,920
THAT was, coming i mean it's not. Even, a lie

1093
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:25,480
dan look.

1094
00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:29,199
Speaker 1: At, The numbers no.

1095
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: I'm just saying i'm just saying you could Have Commented

1096
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,360
on cedric coward's REBOUNDING rather than.

1097
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: I could could i really We're talking ABOUT memphis. Could

1098
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:43,400
i could i'm CONTRACTUALLY obligated whenever i. Have, A chance,

1099
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,800
no i do like like the defensive potential of that duel,

1100
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:50,960
at least, Yeah, he.

1101
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: Man YEAH THE more, I i know i'm focusing too

1102
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:55,360
much on your. Comps for it but so He leads

1103
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,039
the grizzlies in points scored in transition just. BY a

1104
00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:01,400
mile I think the mcallbridges comp. Is probably best. And

1105
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,000
That's look cal bridges didn't turn into a more of

1106
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:06,840
an on ball guy until what like the final part

1107
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,119
of His.

1108
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,679
Speaker 1: Leg in, phoenix yeah right He.

1109
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 2: Was an he was an, older, rookie too right so

1110
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:15,519
that might that might Be The comp cedria coward is

1111
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:20,079
if You were doing Rookie of the year, rankings right

1112
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:25,559
Now It's probably conk Nipple followed By, flag, OR coward,

1113
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:26,159
Right i know.

1114
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: Edgecomb is there oh that's a.

1115
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 2: TOUGH top four i had not because, FOR whatever reason

1116
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,039
i had just not been thinking like walk you. To your,

1117
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:37,800
vote Let's so let's i'll ask, You, THIS then okay

1118
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,039
i know you haven't, thought About this because i've only

1119
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:43,559
thought about it. Three seconds ago if you were redrafting

1120
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,159
This draft class cooper flag. Still, goes one Yes Where

1121
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:50,679
does Cedria, coward go well.

1122
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: He, doesn't go too Because That's. STILL dylan Harper I

1123
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,920
think conk nipple didn't goes three At. This point edgecomb,

1124
00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:01,360
that's Harsh, THOUGH BECAUSE edgecombe i i feel. There's, More

1125
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:07,119
there still does he Go? Five, over baily.

1126
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:13,679
Speaker 2: YEAH he's tough i would be shocked to see if he.

1127
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,400
Got PAST six and i think there might be a

1128
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,119
team that would be willing to bet that he will

1129
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:21,559
have a better career than at Least ONE of and

1130
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:23,440
i Don't know if i'm falling, in this camp so

1131
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,960
this doesn't necessarily take but it wouldn't shock me if

1132
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,760
a team decided to take him over One, Of.

1133
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: Ca Nipple, edgecomb or bailly. If not more that's where

1134
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,679
the age kills me, a. LITTLE bit though i GUESS

1135
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,119
that's but i hear you like in terms of like

1136
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,840
the the the level of play that he has and

1137
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:48,800
the fact that he's since what's attractive about him is

1138
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,800
the fact that, he's PLUCKING play and i think that

1139
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,400
is why teams are also prioritizing that, Type of player

1140
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,559
guys who can just come in and shoot, off the

1141
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,800
catch who can integrate themselves without having a huge use

1142
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,639
of the. Rage usage rade that's a tough. Word for

1143
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:10,519
me they're just so damn LIKE valuable, for nba teams

1144
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,920
and so the fact that he's not someone who will

1145
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,440
demand the ball, TO that extent i could see like

1146
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,920
a handful of, teams go yep that's exactly. What we

1147
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,800
need that is what we. Love about it if he

1148
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,360
was twenty years old instead, of twenty two then we

1149
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,639
have a. Conversation for two, YOU'RE.

1150
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: Probably right i still Practice Go with dylan harper just

1151
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,159
as the pro because even If Even if cedric, COWARD

1152
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:38,480
is twenty i Don't know if i'm looking at, him,

1153
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,519
and saying oh he could Be the north star from.

1154
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,199
Speaker 1: MY REBUILD now i i gun, TO my head i

1155
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:49,239
Would Still. Go DYLAN harper, BUT i mean i know

1156
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,159
the thing about me with with draft, guys as well

1157
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,280
it's when. THEY'RE that old i never buy into this whole,

1158
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,760
mentality of oh that player because he's twenty two or

1159
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,960
twenty three is automatically more. Be a ready, oh oh

1160
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:04,960
really should we Check In on Nee? Clifford and?

1161
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: Sacramento should we we will in. A, little, bit okay.

1162
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:13,039
Speaker 1: Great, but yeah. No he's great he's kind of my point.

1163
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:15,679
About civic coward you Picked.

1164
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: To the grizzlies i'm gonna Pick, it's the jazz But

1165
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:21,760
It's really ace Bailly Uh And walter clayton junior who

1166
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,920
will get. TO as Well i so ace baally didn't

1167
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,079
have the best start to the season and some of

1168
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:31,159
the efficiency numbers can, still be rough but he is

1169
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:34,760
since entering the starting lineup more shooting sixty nine percent

1170
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,800
on twoes and thirty eight. Percent on threes he's still

1171
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,719
shooting pretty low, on his drives but he's seventy.

1172
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: One percent conversion rate per cleaning the glass.

1173
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: At the rim he could stand to, get THERE more

1174
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,239
which i think that's if he's gonna attack. Off the

1175
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,719
dribble he has some of these like baseline drives where

1176
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,480
he's just gonna yam it when he gets. TO the

1177
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:55,000
basket i want to see him be more physical. In

1178
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:57,639
that regard but and we kind of talked about this,

1179
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,840
at the top just, AS an example i have, been

1180
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,239
really impressed especially lately with how hard he's working just

1181
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,639
to fit in and it's running the floor in transition

1182
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,760
the offensive rebounding like he works.

1183
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,599
Speaker 1: For that too we Saw It. In summer league he's

1184
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:14,280
still continuing.

1185
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: To, do that now they've insulated him a little bit

1186
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,760
MORE defensively than i thought they. Were going to but

1187
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,599
he's been active for the most part around. There as

1188
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:25,039
well but they've also there was when they Were playing

1189
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:26,840
the lakers, the other night a game, they almost won

1190
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,159
he had a massive Shutdown stop on luca where he

1191
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,159
just he's stuck with him for basically the entire possession

1192
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:35,199
that was able to poke. The ball away you look

1193
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:37,760
at someone the way they're A the way bailey is

1194
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,760
able to move laterally for someone his size as he continues,

1195
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,000
TO get stronger i think that's gonna be a. Really

1196
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:48,440
scary defender, my ONE complaint and i try not to

1197
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,039
complain a ton about, higher profile rookies and this is

1198
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:54,679
probably more of. A jazz thing i think that they

1199
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:57,639
need to do more to make him at least. A,

1200
00:59:57,679 --> 01:00:00,480
SEMIFOCAL point again i. Love this stuff, he's coming around

1201
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,519
screams well, off the ball he's lifted up from the

1202
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:06,519
corner or relocating if he needs. To exceptionally well he's

1203
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:09,840
run fewer than ten, Pick and rolls he's used FEWER than.

1204
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,880
Ten iso possessions i'm not saying those need, To BE

1205
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,480
crutches but i would like to See More of ace

1206
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:18,519
bailey in those. Types of situations maybe That's something that

1207
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:20,800
Jazz Do Post all star break when they feel more.

1208
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,239
Comfortable with him but after it kind of a start, where,

1209
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:25,519
it was oh he's not in the starting five and these,

1210
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:28,760
PERFORMANCES aren't great i think that he's kind Of proven

1211
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:31,960
he's for anyone who is concerned that they took him,

1212
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,519
where they did he's already alleviated a bunch of that

1213
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:35,440
with his play over the.

1214
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,679
Speaker 1: PAST few weeks i agree with everything you just said

1215
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:44,000
for one particular. Reason as well getting him more involved

1216
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,239
in off on ball stuff and getting him downhill is

1217
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,639
also going to put so much more pressure on the

1218
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:54,320
defense to make a decision because, he is long. He

1219
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,719
is athletic he's not a guy you want to see.

1220
01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:02,480
Attack the, rim and currently and this is, ridiculously low

1221
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:05,400
number he's played three hundred and sixty six MINUTES in the,

1222
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,480
nba so far he's taken. Nineteen, free FROs so like the,

1223
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:12,599
FREEFROW generation stuff i don't even think that so much

1224
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:14,679
of that. Is on him it's more, of the setup

1225
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,079
like him being sort of. A bailout option he kind

1226
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:19,400
of reminds me a. Little or not. He reminds me

1227
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,320
the role that he plays reminds me a little bit

1228
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,880
Of how The Kings used keegan murray. The first year

1229
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:29,800
oh where, okay it, was you know it was not

1230
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,000
exactly like the to the full extent like Because they

1231
01:01:33,079 --> 01:01:37,280
used keegan almost exclusively as like a spot up. Three

1232
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,760
POINT shooter and i Think that the jests are trying

1233
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,880
to do maybe a little bit More, mean with bailey but,

1234
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,480
not a lot and so he's become this. Bailout option

1235
01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:48,679
instead and what have We Seen from keegan murray since?

1236
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:50,480
That rookie year have we seen him get to the

1237
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,760
fall line? A? Whole bunch. NO not really i think

1238
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,800
those reps are so important early in, a PLAYER'S career

1239
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,639
so i would make it a major emphasis of them

1240
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,079
to get, him the ball put him in, screen roll situations.

1241
01:02:04,119 --> 01:02:08,079
Get him Downhill Because if ace bailey's primary calling card

1242
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:11,280
is going, to be scoring which, let's be real that.

1243
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:14,480
Is a thing that is how we gauged him. All

1244
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:16,239
last year and.

1245
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: There are just moments too off, ball on ball He's

1246
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:22,480
very tam maki in. A, good way yeah so that

1247
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:23,679
is going to be that's.

1248
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: Going to be i'll be shocked if it's not. His, calling,

1249
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,920
card well okay then then let me ask. You this

1250
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,599
question if you're going to be, a primary scorer if

1251
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:32,800
that's or at least one of the primary scores, on

1252
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,920
a team can you do that if you're taking like

1253
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,239
two free? Froze per game.

1254
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: Who is the i'm trying, to think of who's the

1255
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,360
guy that is that would be driving a? Really good

1256
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,079
offense or is the number one option that you, Look,

1257
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:49,239
and sit oh he doesn't get to the. Foul line

1258
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,800
enough there aren't a ton of those because when you

1259
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:59,079
look at all, The, Best Ones, LUCA jannis jokic I,

1260
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:03,639
Mean even steph, yes with That and like steph would

1261
01:03:03,679 --> 01:03:05,400
be the blueprint for he's not going to, dominate the

1262
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,760
ball but he still has the ability. To, draw fouls

1263
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,920
yeah is there ONE who? Am i missing have to be? Missing,

1264
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,679
SOMEBODY there well i mean there isn't. A leading score

1265
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,960
there isn't someone out there putting. Up twenty two, at

1266
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,360
One point maybe tatum was still like what at least.

1267
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: Four per game i'm, Talking right now, Like Right now

1268
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:29,480
ace bailey is attempting one point one free fro. Attempts

1269
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,719
per game in twenty one and. A, half minutes like

1270
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,119
even if scaling that up to, per thirty six we're

1271
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:39,000
talking about. One point nine that is such a. Ridiculously

1272
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:41,239
low Number and again i'm not putting that on. AT

1273
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:46,280
his feet i think that's a Structural thing in utah

1274
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,559
that they. Need to fix but it's it's just something

1275
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:52,519
to keep an eye on because if you're it's been

1276
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:56,519
a big issue of Mine again with sacramento not trying

1277
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:58,599
to dig into that Part of, Keithen murray's game like

1278
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,320
keiking is what eight to forty are? We gonna see

1279
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,960
if we're gonna say he can't absorb contact coming closest, to,

1280
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,920
the rim bullshit of. Course You can't ace bailey is

1281
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,960
an atgile six'. Ten and supremely athletic if he's just

1282
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,039
gonna stand around the three point line for the most

1283
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:16,599
of His career because the jazz says, that's the best

1284
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:20,360
idea then you're not using him. In the Right, manner

1285
01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:23,760
Like ir yeah.

1286
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 2: How i'll push back a little bit in the sense

1287
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,559
of especially because wasn't one Of The questions for ace

1288
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:33,440
bailey coming in could he do the ancillary stuff consistently,

1289
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:37,840
or in higher volume so at least, earlier on the,

1290
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,119
way We Would say let cedric coward, Be, a good

1291
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:43,079
Example well maybe the grizzly should just test him on

1292
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:44,719
the ball to see if he. Can do these things

1293
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:47,000
is this sort, of, way of saying Well Let's see

1294
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:48,119
if ace bailey.

1295
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,159
Speaker 1: Can, handle a more. Streamlined, Less, central.

1296
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,039
Speaker 2: Role right okay there's value, in that To me is.

1297
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:58,039
Speaker 1: What, i'm getting at sure but you want him to, become,

1298
01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:01,840
MORE than that rightultimately.

1299
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:05,559
Speaker 2: I mean for, Sure but we're like i'm with you

1300
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:07,199
IN the sense that i want to. See more of

1301
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:09,719
it but when you're fewer than twenty, GAMES into HIS

1302
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:13,920
career i think i kind of get especially when you're

1303
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,000
still you're still, trying, to figure out well who's going,

1304
01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:19,239
to lead our offense And You have the isaiah collier injury.

1305
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: To open up the. SEASON that complicated that i understand.

1306
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,599
Speaker 2: IT a little bit i, WOULD like to again i,

1307
01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:26,199
want to see more but we already he's been promoted,

1308
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:27,880
To the starting lineup but like we know, that HE'S

1309
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,559
starting now so i think that. THOSE steps will come,

1310
01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:33,760
I don't view it i guess as as big of

1311
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,519
a transgression at this, stage as YOU do even though

1312
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:39,039
I do agree that i absolutely want to see more of, what,

1313
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:39,800
you're talking.

1314
01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:43,079
Speaker 1: About right and again it's just, To clarify once again

1315
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:46,239
i'm not putting. IT at his feet i think. He's

1316
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,760
by the way. SOME of it is i think he's.

1317
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,519
Speaker 2: Been A little bit and i don't know if this,

1318
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:53,280
is an organizational mandate but two passive at points to

1319
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,920
where you can see hesitance even on some of his, catch.

1320
01:05:55,719 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: And shoot threes even he.

1321
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: Doesn't he can't decide, he catches the, ball decides to

1322
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,119
draw and, Then it'snt no waight i'm not.

1323
01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: Going to do this i'm gonna go back to a

1324
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:03,000
step back or get.

1325
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:05,639
Speaker 2: Rid of the, ball so the onus especially when you're

1326
01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:07,679
looking at how deep can he get when he is,

1327
01:06:07,719 --> 01:06:10,880
Attacking with the, ball the consistency THERE some of that

1328
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,719
i do, think is, on him, All right that's.

1329
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: FAIR that is fair i generally think the players spawned

1330
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,039
to the type of roles that they, get by an

1331
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:22,159
organization and sometimes they. Look over their shoulder i've.

1332
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 2: Been, told to DO this like am i allowed to

1333
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:27,360
break out Of the constraints that i'm in this.

1334
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,719
Speaker 1: Role Because The? Danger, is, keegan Murray Though.

1335
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: RIGHT like keegan murray, I think he's great but when

1336
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,880
we were talking about extensions your your question to me

1337
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:38,119
was what is he? Offensively at this point like he

1338
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:40,360
hasn't been. Able to do more we've SEEN percentages decline,

1339
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,079
and I blame that and i Still, do on, the,

1340
01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:45,480
kings and so yes if this becomes sort of An

1341
01:06:45,719 --> 01:06:48,880
Habitual pattern for ace bailey to where they've decided to

1342
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,039
use him, as a complimentary player and then What Was

1343
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:53,559
Happening with keegan murray it wasn't even that he. Was

1344
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:57,599
a complimentary player is that his usage was fluctuating wildly

1345
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,760
because of the way that they. Jumbled, THE pecking, Order,

1346
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:02,440
YEAH i think look i think that's. Totally fair to

1347
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:06,679
wonder my guess would be if we're having This Conversation

1348
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:09,119
after the all star break, and we're still wondering what

1349
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:11,079
does It Look like if ace bailey has more plays

1350
01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:13,400
called for him or, more on ball Work then is

1351
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:13,920
when i'll.

1352
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: Sell The, alarm bell keegan, murray by the way he

1353
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,840
should be noted three games into his season this, year

1354
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:25,719
doing pretty well even If without taking. The, wolves WITH him,

1355
01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:29,280
Yeah but i, mean, i'm just saying usually if you

1356
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,199
want to end up averaging twenty four to twenty. Five

1357
01:07:31,239 --> 01:07:34,079
twenty six points you're probably not doing it by taking

1358
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:37,119
one to two three thro. Us, every single game no

1359
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,800
they're just taking all threes and making them. A ridiculously, high, clip,

1360
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,559
that too well. Yeah he's he shouldn't He's Four of

1361
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:47,320
eight ace bailey on, step back threes already HIS step

1362
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,320
back three i guess because he's six was he? Listed

1363
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,320
at six nine. HE'S just so big i have. NO priors.

1364
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:53,559
For this.

1365
01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: I didn't i'm not i don't scout these guys while

1366
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,079
they were like in. THE middle of school. I just

1367
01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,840
trust it i have no raction. NOW for doing it. I,

1368
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:00,719
just trust it.

1369
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: Oh by the way he, Listed at six ten i'm

1370
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,360
just reminded that is super wrong because he came in

1371
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,480
he tested a lot worse. Than what people thought he

1372
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:12,559
came in like six SEVEN point, twenty five i think.

1373
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:14,320
OR something along this i thought he was listed he's.

1374
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,039
LISTED at six ten i thought he's. Listed at, SIX

1375
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:18,600
nine that's yeah i. Think you know that And This,

1376
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,800
is ON basketball Reference so nba dot com is a

1377
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,840
lot better. At the official Heights But, like on basketball.

1378
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,840
Reference he's six ten that is not true that that is. Adding,

1379
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,880
A little bit yes ctg has. Him at six nine

1380
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,560
you said he's watched six. Seven AND change memory like

1381
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,920
i believe he was listed without bigger. Than, six for

1382
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,399
sure yeah but like, that, was without shoes right six.

1383
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,760
SEVEN point twenty five i think He tested out at

1384
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,840
it might have been six. SEVEN point seven, Five i

1385
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,720
don't remember like there are limits TO the details that

1386
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,439
i remember. From pre, DRAFT measurements but NO i mean

1387
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,239
he's i like where he's at right now because the

1388
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:58,640
start of, The SEASON was horrendous so i like the

1389
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,560
fact that he's he's. Picking it up up and of

1390
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,199
course now we're gonna talk about like your favorite guy,

1391
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:07,560
IN the entire well i. WANT to ask you i

1392
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:08,399
wanted to ask you One More.

1393
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 2: Question about ace bailey do you have any strong opinions

1394
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:12,680
of him on defense.

1395
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: Or as a passer the passing is tough because we

1396
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,399
just talked about his role and he will look for bigs.

1397
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:20,039
Speaker 2: In the pocket already That's the stuff that i've been

1398
01:09:20,119 --> 01:09:23,680
unable to formulate a real opinion on. FOR him so

1399
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,239
far i will be completely honest with you and say

1400
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:30,039
that That is not something i've even devoted a whole,

1401
01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:33,039
lot of Attention too because When, I'M watching the jazz

1402
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,640
i probably should focus, more ON their achievements BUT i

1403
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,000
don't because i just look at a very young team

1404
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,760
that it's also somewhat intentionally.

1405
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,359
Speaker 1: Trying TO be bad so i just don't put a lot,

1406
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:51,479
OF stock. Into it I Think and without walker kesterer

1407
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,840
there because he's, OUT for the year i, just kind, of,

1408
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,000
said all right well they're, just gonna be bad. AND

1409
01:09:56,039 --> 01:09:58,760
that's on me i probably should be better at just looking. At,

1410
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:03,000
The individual before Defensively, I'VE with the jazz i, just,

1411
01:10:03,039 --> 01:10:06,000
sort of like no no bother. Out of my head

1412
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:09,239
so it's a good. Shout From your end i'll i'll

1413
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,439
start to look a little Bit more of. The bailey's

1414
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,800
defensive prowess, it's.

1415
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,520
Speaker 2: SIMILAR to offense where i think they need to give

1416
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:22,039
him more cracks at the marquee. Marquee Role, type, stuff

1417
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,680
walter clayton though, COMING into the season i thought that

1418
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,640
maybe he would Be like the, best jazz guard basically

1419
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:31,159
and that's.

1420
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:33,079
Speaker 1: Not BEEN the case and i also banked on his.

1421
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:36,159
Speaker 2: Shooting just being incredible it has not, been incredible so

1422
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:39,760
far under. THIRTY percent from three i do think he

1423
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,600
is one. Of their better passers he's still turning the

1424
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,159
ball over on basically twenty five percent of, his pick

1425
01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:48,600
and rolls and he's also shooting only six of nineteen

1426
01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:49,359
out of.

1427
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:52,079
Speaker 1: The pick, And roll right now he's shot okay.

1428
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,279
Speaker 2: OUT of his drives i do like him when he's

1429
01:10:55,319 --> 01:10:57,199
in the, center of the floor leading. It and transitioning

1430
01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:58,800
you if he can, GET in the lane i think the.

1431
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,359
COURT vision is there i did have higher hopes for him,

1432
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,439
to start his career especially WITH you know his i

1433
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,239
guess his minutes have gone up and, down A little

1434
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:09,960
bit but i thought this was someone who. MIGHT start

1435
01:11:10,119 --> 01:11:11,680
for them i don't think it's a bad thing that

1436
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,600
he's come off the bench for all, Of his, THIRTEEN

1437
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,920
appearances BUT man i think i got ahead of my

1438
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,520
Steees Too. MUCH on walter clayton i don't think he's

1439
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:21,439
nestinarily means he's gonna, be.

1440
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,079
Speaker 1: A bad pro but i was hoping for a lot.

1441
01:11:23,159 --> 01:11:25,359
Speaker 2: MORE out of him i think, what, he has shown

1442
01:11:25,399 --> 01:11:28,319
though is that this is someone, who has the vision

1443
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,039
whether the accuracy.

1444
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: Or the decision making is always. Going to be there,

1445
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,720
as a different story is he Better? Than, ISAY a

1446
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:42,840
collier well i mean better as a passer, Just as a,

1447
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,159
player i'm not.

1448
01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 2: THERE so like it i thought it was Very very

1449
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,159
optimistic of hughes to say he might be, the best

1450
01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:57,680
jazz Guard, LIKE even, Over Keance i mean kiante george.

1451
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,119
HAVING a great season i, was just not predicting especially this,

1452
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:02,199
level of play making for you were predicting this level

1453
01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:05,000
of prey. Making for this level but like he's hasn't

1454
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,960
exactly been clammed chowder over the. Past Couple, OF years.

1455
01:12:09,079 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: Kiante George.

1456
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,039
Speaker 2: I mean kiante george i was really hyped through him,

1457
01:12:12,039 --> 01:12:15,479
after HIS rookie season so i probably overcompensated and was

1458
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,920
disappointed what we've seen from him, so, FAR since then especially,

1459
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,720
i mean even now the efficiency from beyond the arc just.

1460
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,920
Refuses to come along but he's getting the. Foul line

1461
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:26,560
a ton the, passing has, been, there he's been sir.

1462
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,560
Speaker 1: You're being too critical the dude came in as a shooting,

1463
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,920
guard and had to, like on the fly adjust to,

1464
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,880
a brand new position the most tough position TO, learn

1465
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,279
in the nba and this.

1466
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 2: Shot selection was awful, IT was you can't i don't

1467
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,600
know what you're what are?

1468
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: You, defending, Him against though well i'm saying that the

1469
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,800
fact that he came in as a guy who had

1470
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,680
like the green light To do whatever at baylor and

1471
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,800
certainly made use of it because his shot selection was

1472
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,319
horrid and he, was an off guard like not really

1473
01:12:59,319 --> 01:13:02,880
having to handle the offense. To the Same extent comes

1474
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,880
since utah in year, one, and it's told yeah you're gonna.

1475
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,000
Be a point guard he ended up, starting forty four

1476
01:13:09,079 --> 01:13:12,079
games and he, actually did pretty well came back next

1477
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:15,720
year last year, and got even better even. If his, efficiency,

1478
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:16,079
sucked and.

1479
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:20,279
Speaker 2: Yes look his shot quality isn't great it. Probably never

1480
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:25,359
will be but considering what he had to do just

1481
01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:29,359
in terms of like make that position change and become

1482
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,640
like a fully fledged, Starting level point guard.

1483
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm just telling what he has not.

1484
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 2: BEEN until this season i don't think you could look

1485
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,439
at it and say that. He's going to start but he.

1486
01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:42,319
Speaker 1: Played a lot of point guards minutes both in his rookie.

1487
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:45,039
Year and, sophomore year after all you got to. Give,

1488
01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:47,760
him that, THOUGH yeah but again i don't know what.

1489
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,119
Speaker 2: You're defending him AGAINST i'm just saying i was a

1490
01:13:50,119 --> 01:13:52,920
little bit disappointed that he wasn't BETTER three YEARS because

1491
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,960
i thought i thought the. Efficiency would be higher and

1492
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,600
EVEN now he's shooting i guess thirty seven percent or

1493
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,199
whatever it does. On catching, shoot threes that's fine he's he's.

1494
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:02,600
Having A good Year But, i thought walter clayton if

1495
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,880
you were looking at who is the best playmaker LIKE

1496
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,119
to Leave The i thought walter clayton had a.

1497
01:14:08,199 --> 01:14:10,079
Speaker 1: Chance TO be it that. I was clearly wrong i'll.

1498
01:14:10,119 --> 01:14:12,239
Totally COP to that but i also did not see

1499
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,159
This Type of. KIANTE george leap.

1500
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 2: COMING i did not i actually didn't Even know that

1501
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,520
the jazz we're gonna give him. This TYPE of opportunity

1502
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,800
and i wonder how much sort of the way that

1503
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,760
the opening season. Played OUT benefited, him but i mean

1504
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,119
like he's doubled up his like free throws. P, thirty

1505
01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:30,680
six minutes basically it's just it's it's nuts and hitting it,

1506
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,199
at ninety one percent it's it's fifty.

1507
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: Three twos for some of the twos that he takes.

1508
01:14:36,079 --> 01:14:39,840
Is a big deal it's amazing what happens when shot

1509
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,600
quality and maturity sort. Of. Starts to align well there

1510
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:44,119
was also the.

1511
01:14:44,199 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 2: Question about his maturity was he didn't he vacate this

1512
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,039
leave the season excuse, ME talking about it i need

1513
01:14:49,039 --> 01:14:51,680
to like really. Focus on mid range, and it was,

1514
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,279
well if what like that's not what this team needs from.

1515
01:14:54,319 --> 01:14:57,079
You at this point so he came back and he's

1516
01:14:57,119 --> 01:14:58,600
getting to the foul line, more like he said the

1517
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,880
passing has, been in the patience the poison. Ball has

1518
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,640
been great really. Good season from him but what Are Your.

1519
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,640
THOUGHTS on walter clayton i don't know why you Turn

1520
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:06,840
This Into a kiante Georgian.

1521
01:15:07,279 --> 01:15:14,159
Speaker 1: NO so so clayton i always thought coming into to,

1522
01:15:14,279 --> 01:15:16,119
this season as well when he was billed as like,

1523
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,800
not an elite shooter but coming in as a as,

1524
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,680
A major shooting prospect I was a little i thought

1525
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,960
it was overstated considering how he shot the ball. At

1526
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,520
THE collegia level so i, didn't anticipate, in having you

1527
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,640
know him coming in and being like a knockdown three

1528
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,119
point shooter. RIGHT off the bat, i. Didn't expect this,

1529
01:15:33,239 --> 01:15:37,199
though he's been struggling and, like to be fair sometimes

1530
01:15:38,039 --> 01:15:40,479
a player. Not A player's worth but i do think

1531
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,479
a big part of the worth is just sort of

1532
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,680
being reduced down to is he? Making SHOTS or not

1533
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:52,119
And I will. Give walter clayton junior this the shot.

1534
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:57,279
Selection isn't necessarily bad he's just clanking. Shits on right

1535
01:15:57,319 --> 01:15:59,960
now and if he were converting on a higher, percent

1536
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:02,960
each of them would we even be having. THIS conversation about.

1537
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,600
Disappointment i don't know it feels like a lot of

1538
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,479
this comes down to just. Make or miss it, you're.

1539
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 2: You are right and he's shooting thirty nine percent. On

1540
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,399
ZERO dribble threes but i Think The appeal of walter

1541
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,199
clayton was that he was going to be able to

1542
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:19,960
hit more of those, complicated shots right which as it.

1543
01:16:20,039 --> 01:16:22,479
Still might COME along i'm just i was way too

1544
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,199
high on what his rookie season, was going to be

1545
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:26,119
and EVEN the Role that i thought utah.

1546
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:28,239
Speaker 1: Might, MIGHT put him yeah. I mean that's fair but

1547
01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:32,439
and and what doesn't speak to his advantage is that.

1548
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,399
He's also twenty two. He's an old rookie so like

1549
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,960
if he comes in, and is you know sorry bad right,

1550
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:43,039
off the you know, Right, off, the bat like yeah

1551
01:16:43,079 --> 01:16:46,439
there's a chance he. Can figure it out but historically

1552
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,760
old rookies coming, in and you know having a pretty

1553
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:56,159
big curve to become fully flatched rotation players not a great,

1554
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,960
TRACK record there yeah.

1555
01:16:59,039 --> 01:17:01,520
Speaker 2: I guess that's true he feels like someone who might

1556
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,319
catch on later in the season of just like just

1557
01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:07,039
getting more of a feel for the, speed of the

1558
01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:09,439
game because, even when he's playmaking he just gets off

1559
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,359
the ball like he's not someone who's gonna kill the.

1560
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 1: Flow Of your offense and.

1561
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 2: I'm always just going to, believe in those guys, AND

1562
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,920
we have well, i guess in theory we thought we

1563
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,079
had proof of concept when it came to what. The

1564
01:17:21,119 --> 01:17:26,399
shooting would, be so BUT yeah THAT'S his i THINK

1565
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:29,840
i thought that i might go into the Season Looking

1566
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,079
at oh ace bailey because of the role he had

1567
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,039
ended up having what would be considered A Worse, year

1568
01:17:35,079 --> 01:17:37,119
Than Walter clayton because walter clayton.

1569
01:17:37,119 --> 01:17:39,560
Speaker 1: Thrived in his role And Really it's been ace bailey

1570
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:39,880
doing a.

1571
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 2: Lot OF the stuff that i had questions whether he

1572
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,520
would want to do a lot of the off ball,

1573
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:44,960
work with the offense would he always be there for

1574
01:17:45,039 --> 01:17:46,399
the offensive rebounding if his usage.

1575
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,520
Speaker 1: Wasn't through, THE roof so no i don't have.

1576
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 2: ANY major, red Flags I mean the a's bailey thing,

1577
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,399
is the Big one and the jazz got what appears

1578
01:17:54,399 --> 01:17:55,840
to be is going to be a very.

1579
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: Useful, player moving forward yeah do you?

1580
01:17:58,039 --> 01:17:58,159
Speaker 2: Have?

1581
01:17:58,199 --> 01:18:03,199
Speaker 1: A NEXT pick ah do i like if we can

1582
01:18:03,359 --> 01:18:09,159
go into. The knee cliffer stuff but is he worth

1583
01:18:09,239 --> 01:18:12,359
having a, Big, time discussion about, oh we'll screw. It

1584
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:16,399
let's have it an old rookie Going to be twenty

1585
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,199
how many times have? You, said that. Now yeah twenty

1586
01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:22,560
four he's gonna Be. Twenty four in. February THAT'S just

1587
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:27,279
ridiculous so i like some of the, DEFENSIVE chops we've

1588
01:18:27,279 --> 01:18:31,600
seen i. DON'T like the offense i don't understand what

1589
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,159
his role is going TO be, at the nba level.

1590
01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:37,439
At least offensively speaking is he going to be like

1591
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,920
a catch and, shoot three point shooter because that's not.

1592
01:18:40,119 --> 01:18:42,720
Historically been his thing is he going to be more

1593
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:46,279
of an all ball creator because that looks like that's

1594
01:18:46,279 --> 01:18:48,680
a little BIT optimistic, at the nba level because in

1595
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,640
order to get the ball, consistently at this level you,

1596
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,159
have to be really. REALLY good with it i. Don't

1597
01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:56,960
THINK he IS so i think i feel like he's

1598
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,600
sort of, stuck not between positions but between, on ball,

1599
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,600
OFF ball and like i just don't know where. HE'S

1600
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,880
gonna end up i think the the offensive ceiling is

1601
01:19:08,399 --> 01:19:14,239
kind of all. Over, The freaking place yeah i'm not.

1602
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,119
Speaker 2: TOO worried about him i think that Even, now with

1603
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:19,520
the kings he's shown that he can still, be a

1604
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:20,840
ball mover so he's not going to.

1605
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:21,560
Speaker 1: GUM up your.

1606
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,279
Speaker 2: Offense i think even if you end up pitching holing

1607
01:19:24,319 --> 01:19:26,439
him into, that off ball role that he will be.

1608
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,199
An intuitive ENOUGH cutter he's already i think he's seven

1609
01:19:29,239 --> 01:19:29,720
to seven at.

1610
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: The rim this year that might be a little. BIT

1611
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:32,239
out of.

1612
01:19:32,279 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 2: Date i just don't the PROBLEM is is that i

1613
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,880
was intrigued more by the on ball Offense Watching. HIM

1614
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,079
in summer league i don't have a great. Feel for

1615
01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:43,560
it yet and for As bad as the kings are

1616
01:19:44,199 --> 01:19:46,880
and for his wing, light as they are whether if

1617
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,880
You Want to call, nie, clifford a guard fine, He's

1618
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,079
six to five like, he's a borderline wing. Especially On

1619
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:54,800
this team kean allis. Already Isn't Playing enough, the sacramento

1620
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,159
kings are with the exception that The win over the

1621
01:19:57,159 --> 01:19:58,840
timberwolves like. THEY kind of suck i mean they're on

1622
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:01,039
a two game winning streak because, we were, this like,

1623
01:20:01,119 --> 01:20:04,000
why like play? Him play him more this is not

1624
01:20:04,119 --> 01:20:08,439
how many games he's, had won two games three games

1625
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,119
where he's, locked over twenty minutes four games he's, locked

1626
01:20:11,159 --> 01:20:13,560
over twenty minutes and the last one he got over

1627
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,119
Twenty minutes was, on november the twelfth In.

1628
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: A LOSS to atlanta.

1629
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:20,039
Speaker 2: So i think they need to do more to plumb

1630
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:23,000
the depth. Of his skill set i'm intrigued defensively because

1631
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,039
he's already ended up covering some tough guys. AND held

1632
01:20:26,039 --> 01:20:28,600
his own i don't know if he could Do, that

1633
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,479
in a okay we're gonna start him, and play thirty

1634
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:30,800
minutes what?

1635
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,239
Speaker 1: Does THAT look like but i.

1636
01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:35,239
Speaker 2: Think that he will wind up being a useful secondary

1637
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,520
offensive player to where maybe you're not having, him run

1638
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,560
the offense. Where if you could someone with his size,

1639
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,319
at six to five running the offense, is always an

1640
01:20:43,319 --> 01:20:45,680
asset but just as a ball moover when he's gonna,

1641
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,600
be in the lane, when he's in transition someone.

1642
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,079
Speaker 1: Who will move off the ball.

1643
01:20:49,159 --> 01:20:51,560
Speaker 2: In the half court even the question will be do

1644
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,199
you think the efficiency from the perimeter is? Going TO

1645
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:55,560
come AROUND and i think i.

1646
01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 1: Think, that it will okay this is all about prediction

1647
01:21:04,039 --> 01:21:04,399
and and.

1648
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,359
Speaker 2: Well you sound skeptical is there's something you're noticing with

1649
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:08,920
the What is the your.

1650
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm noticing a guy who has who we used to

1651
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,760
as a, as A Part. Before, Who's Patrick williamson well

1652
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,520
patrick williams sing a, little bit out there just not,

1653
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,800
doing a whole bunch like just standing around too often

1654
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,640
when he does have a chance, to just change things maybe.

1655
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,680
Just take that ball when he asked, the, opportunity to

1656
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,840
say look, no one's doing something let's just. Get on

1657
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,720
with it let me. JUST make something happen i think,

1658
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,720
he's being too passive and that concerns me when you're

1659
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,800
that old as well that you're because he comes in

1660
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,399
from what was it five years in college if memory

1661
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,439
serves like he had those Two Senior, years, at colorado

1662
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:52,199
state right so like he should come in with plenty

1663
01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:55,520
of hoops experience, from the collegial level and now he's

1664
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,319
like he looks like an eighteen year old rookie again

1665
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,000
sometimes like just GOING around like? Should I attack here?

1666
01:22:02,079 --> 01:22:03,319
Should I do this should.

1667
01:22:03,039 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 2: I you're damn near, Twenty four years old like you

1668
01:22:07,039 --> 01:22:08,479
can't afford to wait around.

1669
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: THAT long like you i. JUST think he's passive i.

1670
01:22:12,039 --> 01:22:16,399
DON'T trust the offense i DON'T trust well do. I

1671
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,159
trust THE playmaking i guess i do, if it's you,

1672
01:22:19,159 --> 01:22:21,199
Know FROM the bench like i don't trust him in

1673
01:22:21,279 --> 01:22:25,039
any starting caliber. Situation at this point if he's coming

1674
01:22:25,039 --> 01:22:27,319
in as a secondary which is kind of, your POINT

1675
01:22:27,319 --> 01:22:31,079
as well do i trust, him to, just make you

1676
01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:35,560
know be a secondary, Playmaker, Off THE bench maybe but

1677
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,359
i need him to balance that with some level, of

1678
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:43,680
aggression aggressive scoring because if you're standing there ball watching and,

1679
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:47,119
looking AT everyone else which i, THINK he does well

1680
01:22:47,159 --> 01:22:49,319
i ALSO think that that's i would argue that that

1681
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,199
might be by design or a byproduct of The way that. The.

1682
01:22:52,279 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 2: Kings, ARE built potentially yeah i do think we've seen

1683
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,119
some of the glimpses when, he's been in transition being

1684
01:22:59,119 --> 01:23:01,000
able to be a little, bit more aggressive drawing he's dr.

1685
01:23:01,039 --> 01:23:05,079
On FOULS in TRANSITION but i just i don't know

1686
01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:07,720
that the scope of, his similar to well NOT similar

1687
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,319
to but i don't know if the scope of his

1688
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,520
role has been large enough yet to.

1689
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,079
Speaker 1: Have, any major concerns yeah.

1690
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:17,279
Speaker 2: You, look at it oh he's shooting seventeen percent or

1691
01:23:17,319 --> 01:23:17,760
whatever it is.

1692
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,319
Speaker 1: On wide open threes that's.

1693
01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:21,159
Speaker 2: Like a red flag but it's also one of those red,

1694
01:23:21,159 --> 01:23:24,119
flags where you, say that's so low it's. Going to

1695
01:23:24,119 --> 01:23:26,520
come up if you were looking for him to be a,

1696
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,600
primary on ball guy he might be the type of

1697
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,319
secondary playmaker where it's you could Start him in the i'm,

1698
01:23:32,359 --> 01:23:35,199
not comparing the two but In The vein of derek, white,

1699
01:23:35,279 --> 01:23:37,720
to where it's oh it's cool when he's making plays

1700
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,039
and there's two other options ball. Handler's on the court

1701
01:23:40,039 --> 01:23:41,840
But If you want derek wright to, won your entire

1702
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,119
offense you might not be in, love with that idea.

1703
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,119
Speaker 1: Or he's not going to be the most efficient version of.

1704
01:23:47,159 --> 01:23:50,960
HIMSELF in, that role, i think to me. It's the,

1705
01:23:51,039 --> 01:23:54,119
shot volume you know he's played two hundred, and forty

1706
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:56,239
one minutes he's. Taking fifty, six shots you say is

1707
01:23:56,279 --> 01:23:59,000
BY the SIGN which i can, i CAN understand THAT

1708
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,760
but i desig, i might be wrong but it doesn't

1709
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,359
it feel that could be a trickle down effect of

1710
01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:06,239
The way that. The kings, Are built might maybe but

1711
01:24:06,359 --> 01:24:08,960
at the same time that is also what concerns me,

1712
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,000
because on some level if you're, ON a bad team

1713
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:17,199
i will always argue that you have a sort of

1714
01:24:17,239 --> 01:24:20,000
opportunity ahead of you if, you're getting rotational minutes and

1715
01:24:20,039 --> 01:24:22,680
which he does like, he's played fourteen games playing. Seventeen

1716
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,239
minutes per game it's not. Like he's not playing he's

1717
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:26,479
played two hundred and forty one minutes on, the year

1718
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,560
so far so it's not like he's, only getting you

1719
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,479
know six or. Seven minutes per game so you don't

1720
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,359
think that they should. Be, playing Him more no WHAT

1721
01:24:34,359 --> 01:24:38,600
i'm saying is i need to see him make use

1722
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,319
of those men's, a little bit more because if you're

1723
01:24:40,319 --> 01:24:41,880
playing on a team that's been a little bit, of

1724
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,039
a shit show you have an opportunity that you can,

1725
01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:48,680
grab in some capacity be that, as a, ball mover,

1726
01:24:49,039 --> 01:24:52,760
a playmaker a, shooter, or just saying Hey You know what,

1727
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,000
demarto rosen right now which just don't need to to

1728
01:24:56,119 --> 01:24:58,479
dribble the ball for sixteen seconds before you throw up

1729
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,119
A contested mid range i'm just, gonna take this ball,

1730
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,079
not even hold it just immediately attack off the catch and.

1731
01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:09,000
Get TO the, rim, And i just yeah i'm.

1732
01:25:09,039 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 2: GONNA tell you why i just don't think that where

1733
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:15,119
if you look at, his most use lineups he's playing

1734
01:25:15,239 --> 01:25:19,279
basically at all times with At Least, Three Of dennis

1735
01:25:19,319 --> 01:25:21,000
Shruder Russell westbrook To Martin.

1736
01:25:21,119 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: Rosen and? Zach? Levine where where what what? Offense are

1737
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,079
you taking what are?

1738
01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:29,520
Speaker 2: You, SEIZING in that Well i mean what i'm saying is,

1739
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,000
that because you're right he, does move the ball which

1740
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,239
means he does get, the ball as well right like

1741
01:25:34,279 --> 01:25:36,960
when it's swung, around on THE perimeter AND occasionally i

1742
01:25:37,079 --> 01:25:39,720
just i want him to do something Else because, THE

1743
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,319
entire king's offense i think we, both can both, agree is.

1744
01:25:43,359 --> 01:25:50,199
Speaker 1: Extremely predictable extremely predictable he has this unique opportunity of

1745
01:25:50,319 --> 01:25:53,600
just throwing a fucking wrench, into, everything and saying hey

1746
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,720
look here's, another layer, of it and look it's that

1747
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,159
tough to. Put, on a rookie yes but he's. He's

1748
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:03,000
almost Twenty four that's why i'm asking, him to. Do,

1749
01:26:03,119 --> 01:26:05,640
stuff mature stuff well.

1750
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 2: It sounds like you're asking him to deviate. And, Hijack, the, offense.

1751
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:15,119
Speaker 1: SLIGHTLY yes yes slightly i will advocate for him hijacking

1752
01:26:15,159 --> 01:26:15,760
the offense just.

1753
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 2: TO see. What happens i will if you're saying that

1754
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,359
he needs to be penalized for not actively hijacking or deviating,

1755
01:26:22,399 --> 01:26:25,279
from the GAME plan THAT'S something i thought i can't.

1756
01:26:25,319 --> 01:26:26,159
Speaker 1: Get OFF board with.

1757
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 2: But I you're right though i do want him to

1758
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:33,279
hijack it just a little bit because occasionally that they

1759
01:26:33,319 --> 01:26:33,760
were using some.

1760
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,239
Speaker 1: Bonus before his injury this team. Doesn't make any sense

1761
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,520
there are just players who have to do it in

1762
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,119
order to, get attention upon themselves and occasionally, some, team, will,

1763
01:26:45,159 --> 01:26:48,439
go oh oh okay, He's got. More juice like okay

1764
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:52,920
this might not be, the Once One example but Quentin

1765
01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:56,760
grimes After the traits, of, philly, basically, Saying oh yeah

1766
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:58,520
no i'm not gonna be your your three, In d

1767
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,720
Darling here i'm, gonna i'm, gonna start you know. Dribbling

1768
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,399
between my legs i'm. Gonna start creating looks, i'm. Gonna

1769
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,840
start creating creating.

1770
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 2: But he didn't have the type of ball dominance around

1771
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:11,520
him at the time Because of INJURIES in Philly that

1772
01:27:12,079 --> 01:27:12,319
i know.

1773
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: Clifford, HAS right now well i mean he's still. LIKE

1774
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:20,199
when he came i, understand the opportunity there but, at

1775
01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:22,920
the same time he decided to, do SOMETHING about It and.

1776
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,039
I meet clifford again i'm also, questioning the talent level

1777
01:27:26,039 --> 01:27:29,680
because that's. Let's just be real if you're playing five

1778
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,960
years in college, at the same yeah. And he's, not super, he's.

1779
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,840
NOT you know explosive i don't know if he's gonna

1780
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:36,920
ever create a ton. OF arm. BALL separation i have

1781
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:38,239
i have. Questions about him too.

1782
01:27:38,279 --> 01:27:40,560
Speaker 2: This is we're having it sounds like A Similar discussion

1783
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,800
to keagan, murray all over again to WHERE you're assigning

1784
01:27:43,079 --> 01:27:45,800
what i believe is more responsibility to the player for

1785
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,199
some of, the Shortcomings or concerns and i'm putting it.

1786
01:27:48,239 --> 01:27:50,079
Speaker 1: More on the, team and, It's right that's. Fair that

1787
01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:51,960
is FAIR you know what i think? It is For

1788
01:27:52,039 --> 01:27:58,039
Me it's the dylan jones, Effect where you know jones

1789
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:00,640
came in as, this all round guy but that's NOT

1790
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,439
a role the nba has to offer unless You're Like

1791
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,600
invoking a dylan. Jones come right now, no but like

1792
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,000
no but you catch, my drift row right like someone

1793
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,640
who comes into the league with an all round game, At,

1794
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:17,479
the collegial level like that's not a role that's available

1795
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,319
unless you're like a freaking star, right. Off The Bat

1796
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:24,039
right and knie, clifford had, that luxury you know in

1797
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:26,800
college because he. Was the focal point he was the

1798
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,199
guy who was. The all around GUY coming into the

1799
01:28:29,279 --> 01:28:31,520
nba and having to become a bit player. That is

1800
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,479
so tough it's not always that we see guys, make

1801
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:36,560
that transition successfully.

1802
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 2: IT'S but it's, WHEN i watch him i feel like

1803
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:40,399
he should be. Able TO do it, and, i also

1804
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:44,880
wonder though how inflated are both of our expectations based

1805
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:46,600
on What He, did in summer league where he was.

1806
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,560
Speaker 1: ACTUALLY doing a Lot I didn't watch. Summer, league at

1807
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:55,159
all OKAY well then. Then i just don't so you want.

1808
01:28:55,239 --> 01:28:59,199
Speaker 2: Him to do, more but more realistically he should be

1809
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,279
fit into a role that He's, Better, Suited fored no.

1810
01:29:02,399 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm Saying the circumstances so i'm saying, the circumstances historically

1811
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:12,720
speaking doesn't speak to a player of his ilk BEING successful.

1812
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,359
At The nba level what i'm saying is that given that,

1813
01:29:15,399 --> 01:29:18,640
he's actually Receiving Minutes, unlike at, dylan jones for example

1814
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,000
who just couldn't get on, the floor because like what the? Hell?

1815
01:29:21,119 --> 01:29:25,199
Was his role Really you know, mee clifford is playing

1816
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,359
and so when you are playing and you, are on

1817
01:29:27,399 --> 01:29:31,600
the floor make sure that people notice that you. ARE

1818
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,760
on the FLOOR i think he's i think he's basically

1819
01:29:35,399 --> 01:29:38,800
someone who, tends TO grow invisible and i, think that's

1820
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,039
an issue even if, you're a bit player even if

1821
01:29:41,079 --> 01:29:44,399
you're out, there for special purposes being invisible in it

1822
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:49,479
seemed context is just never a. Positive in my PERSPECTIVE

1823
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,239
but that's again i agree with you that It's also

1824
01:29:52,319 --> 01:29:54,359
the freaking kings, that he could.

1825
01:29:54,199 --> 01:29:56,319
Speaker 2: GET and it's also i just think you're overstating how.

1826
01:29:56,399 --> 01:29:58,319
Much he plays like he HAS some games that i think,

1827
01:29:58,359 --> 01:29:59,800
are Inflating his totals but i'm just.

1828
01:30:00,039 --> 01:30:01,239
Speaker 1: Look, ause game, logs well.

1829
01:30:01,279 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 2: All. RIGHT that's fair eleven i concede. That that is,

1830
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,880
fair that is fair and he's played, a LOT less

1831
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:11,800
recently so i guess my point is just when, HE'S

1832
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,840
on the floor i need him to seize a little

1833
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:18,800
bit more of. The opportunity, he's given after all which

1834
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:20,800
maybe there'll be some if they trade one of their

1835
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,439
bajillion guys, that don't make sense or they're going to

1836
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,000
turn around and trade for another one of.

1837
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: Those types of guys and it WILL be even more

1838
01:30:27,319 --> 01:30:30,720
i still Like My DeMar for kensavious cobalt pope trade

1839
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:37,800
just to free up some. OPPORTUNITIES here And there I

1840
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,159
hate damorro and jaw. ON the same team i. Don't, get,

1841
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:43,239
that no well look we can talk About the fit for,

1842
01:30:43,359 --> 01:30:45,159
memphis all day Long but for the kings at least

1843
01:30:45,159 --> 01:30:47,159
they may they might have. To give up something, But,

1844
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,640
look and look jaw is he? Going, to be available like,

1845
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:53,439
if he's not available you need someone to handle the?

1846
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,520
Ball a Little bit why? Not DeMar did that. Seems going,

1847
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:57,239
nowhere anyway.

1848
01:30:57,319 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 2: It's fine it'screw it i'm Gonna Take us to Will

1849
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:06,039
Richard And. The Golden state warriors the warriors just keep

1850
01:31:06,119 --> 01:31:08,840
hitting these picks in the fifties. OUT of the park

1851
01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:11,399
i haven't Heard As much from, quentin Post This season.

1852
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:15,239
BUT will richard looks i don't want to, overstate what

1853
01:31:15,399 --> 01:31:17,199
he's done and we're just still so. Early in the

1854
01:31:17,279 --> 01:31:20,600
season but this is getting him, at number fifty six

1855
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,039
shooting forty eight percent. On, spot up threes more he

1856
01:31:24,119 --> 01:31:26,920
is eighteen of twenty. One at the rim that is eighty.

1857
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,560
Six percent in transition the two things that the actual

1858
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:34,760
points per possession, in transition. Not sustainable absolutely insane one

1859
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,720
point six that's the most among one hundred and forty

1860
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,680
five players who have finished as many. Transition possessions as

1861
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:41,800
him this is the thing.

1862
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:43,119
Speaker 1: That caught my eye more.

1863
01:31:43,159 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 2: He is so far out in front of his own

1864
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,079
TEAM in transition That i think the warriors end up

1865
01:31:49,159 --> 01:31:51,800
in transition on plays that they weren't anticipating to be

1866
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:56,159
in TRANSITION in and so i looked ten their transition

1867
01:31:56,279 --> 01:31:59,960
frequency off of live rebounds increases by ten point seven

1868
01:32:00,119 --> 01:32:03,680
percentage points when he. Is on the floor of everyone

1869
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,640
who is locked at least two hundred and, fifty Minutes

1870
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,960
THIS season only resache. I Found that Interesting steph castle

1871
01:32:10,039 --> 01:32:13,640
and jokic have a larger swing impact on. Their team's

1872
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,680
transition frequency, That's And that's again will richard isn't the

1873
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,239
one that's jump starting these possessions In A way That

1874
01:32:20,279 --> 01:32:22,640
steph castle. And jokic might be he's just so far

1875
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:27,199
out in. Front of everybody else he's been. Good defensively

1876
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,880
for them he's had. TO defend real guys i think

1877
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,359
he has great. Hands on the ball he had one

1878
01:32:33,399 --> 01:32:35,680
of the cleanest strips of The Season just on devin

1879
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:37,840
vessel trying to do work, from the mid RANGE and

1880
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:39,600
there was i don't know if you saw it was

1881
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,479
one of the games he had Had Crazy pickpocket on

1882
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,319
john moran who tried to do like a flyover dribble,

1883
01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:47,359
or whatever it was and he. Just clean swiped it and.

1884
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:50,520
THE other thing too i know we're kind of In,

1885
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,279
the era of oh there, are these crash zones these

1886
01:32:53,319 --> 01:32:55,560
perimeter players are doing more on the offensive. Glass Than

1887
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:59,600
we expect will richards is, just, One of them APPARENTLY like,

1888
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:02,039
EVERY time i look i feel like he's tipping a

1889
01:33:02,079 --> 01:33:04,720
shot back out of the basket or. Grabbing an offensive rebound,

1890
01:33:05,359 --> 01:33:08,840
this is just, again he has played, as we're recording.

1891
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,560
This in thirteen games this is. Not a future star

1892
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,560
his true shooting percentage doesn't line up with what We're,

1893
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:15,760
Saying about the oh.

1894
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm actually looking, at the wrong.

1895
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 2: Player so excuse, me he's, only played but like he's

1896
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,880
BEEN so good that i think that this has the

1897
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,119
chance to be a regular rotation player on a GOOD.

1898
01:33:27,159 --> 01:33:29,800
TEAM in the NBA i don't need i don't know.

1899
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:31,960
WHAT his ceiling is i can't, really GET into that,

1900
01:33:32,039 --> 01:33:34,920
but i would say, as of right now this feels

1901
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,000
like more of a Caps lock find.

1902
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:43,159
Speaker 1: Than Quentin post was the only thing that makes me

1903
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:51,199
Less enthusiastic about will richard is the fact that he

1904
01:33:51,399 --> 01:33:54,760
scored twenty one point six percent of his total season

1905
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,520
points in One game and so i'm not REALLY sure

1906
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:02,239
with her i should like ignore that and just look at,

1907
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:04,560
the rest of it because he was so impressive in. That,

1908
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:08,680
FURRY POINT game like i I don't know if i can, sit, there,

1909
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:12,119
and say oh yeah he's he's at that level. As

1910
01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:15,359
YOU alluded to but i will say this in terms.

1911
01:34:15,399 --> 01:34:18,560
Of accepting his role when, he's given fewer minutes he.

1912
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:22,079
Plays the same speed, whether he's you know playing forty

1913
01:34:22,119 --> 01:34:26,159
plus minutes. Or he's playing ten it's it's, it's the

1914
01:34:26,199 --> 01:34:28,880
same play, it's the same mentality, it's the same approach

1915
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,359
and that is usually. The Key to success so i'm

1916
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:36,439
encouraged in terms of, like the tail. Level the production

1917
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:42,079
level i'm just not ready to like commit, to something

1918
01:34:42,119 --> 01:34:44,479
where oh like, he's a big steal. He's a big

1919
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:49,760
get if we go towards the middle of the season and,

1920
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:54,199
he is still efficient he, is still you know so

1921
01:34:54,399 --> 01:34:58,119
calculative in terms, of His shot selection then i'm joining.

1922
01:34:58,119 --> 01:35:00,039
YOU on the bandwagon i don't.

1923
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 2: Think he'll never stop being, Calculative of his shots like

1924
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:04,840
if they, if he starts deviating if he if he

1925
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:08,279
does What you want neat Clifford to, Do, the, warrior, again,

1926
01:35:08,359 --> 01:35:11,000
no no No No he's what well richard. Is doing right

1927
01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:11,680
now it.

1928
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 1: Is a SMART play it's just i, usually struggle, when

1929
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:19,319
guys you know have this one game that's a huge

1930
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:22,479
outlier and and just gobbles up so many of their

1931
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,600
ceason numbers this. Early in, the year? I'm like how

1932
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,840
much how much can we? Look at everything, else but

1933
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:31,560
like again this is where as you said, earlier in

1934
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,720
the show it just in terms, like, the eye tests

1935
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,039
right like what are you looking at and you're looking,

1936
01:35:36,119 --> 01:35:39,079
At the activity level you're. Looking, at the approach yeah

1937
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:40,079
like it's.

1938
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 2: THE three point shooting i think Would be the big

1939
01:35:42,079 --> 01:35:44,520
oh is this that's like the that's the game that's

1940
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,600
going to pump up. The outlier stuff there but in

1941
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:48,560
terms of him, getting to the basket flying around a

1942
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,279
transition and defending and just being sneaky, ON the offensive

1943
01:35:51,359 --> 01:35:51,720
last i.

1944
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:52,520
Speaker 1: Think that he's.

1945
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:57,079
Speaker 2: There, yeah, for sure yeah yeah probably concerning that he's

1946
01:35:57,079 --> 01:36:00,000
needed to play as much as Uh As, He has

1947
01:36:00,119 --> 01:36:01,520
golden state but that's a, that's a.

1948
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: Different issue that's a different discussion that. See, makes no

1949
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,840
sense uh did you have any other rookies that? YOU

1950
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:09,560
want to decide. I do not know i. Have, A

1951
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:13,479
couple more Okay i think the clippers might Have Found

1952
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,920
somebody in kobe. Sanders well to moderate he's kind of

1953
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:17,239
one of the things that have.

1954
01:36:17,279 --> 01:36:20,520
Speaker 2: Gone right this season he was someone who was. Taking

1955
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,159
at number fifty he can be. A little mistake prone

1956
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:25,199
has turned the ball over on thirty three percent, of

1957
01:36:25,239 --> 01:36:29,000
his transition, processions which isn't great but he's Also sometimes

1958
01:36:29,039 --> 01:36:31,600
the only, clippers player IN transition and so i feel

1959
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:32,039
like that needs.

1960
01:36:32,079 --> 01:36:34,520
Speaker 1: To count for something he shot the.

1961
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:38,319
Speaker 2: Three ball well, enough he's being inflated propped up forty

1962
01:36:38,359 --> 01:36:40,159
six percent from the corners in twenty nine.

1963
01:36:40,199 --> 01:36:42,399
Speaker 1: Percent on arc threes he's.

1964
01:36:42,199 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 2: Another one where he keeps The Ball, moving like nee

1965
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:48,239
clifford and he's a willing passer on drives even if

1966
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:48,640
it's not going.

1967
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 1: TO translate to anything i had this clocked Too From.

1968
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:56,079
Speaker 2: Our Friend justin russo kobe SANDERS Is the first la

1969
01:36:56,119 --> 01:36:58,119
clippers rookie to log at least one hundred and thirty

1970
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:01,520
minutes over a five Gamespan Since shit and landry. Shamman in,

1971
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:05,600
twenty nineteen so yeah he's, GOING to be traded i

1972
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:08,680
think is the. Moral of that sort and the other

1973
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:10,600
thing that stands Out To me with kobe sanders is

1974
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,159
they've Thrown him to, the WOLVES on defense and i

1975
01:37:13,159 --> 01:37:15,760
think that he's. Held up fairly well he will work

1976
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,600
and he's pretty. Good at helping too so if he's

1977
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,960
going to be, away from the action and that's, JUST

1978
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:23,600
at number Fifty i know the clippers are a disaster

1979
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,720
and so this might be, damning with faint praise but

1980
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:29,239
he's been one of the bright. Spots of their season

1981
01:37:30,199 --> 01:37:31,560
do you know what, HIS middle name, Is.

1982
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 1: I do Not Michael. So he's kobe michael and now

1983
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:40,520
that family Just. Ruined it with sanders they could have gone.

1984
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:43,000
So many different ways They, Could Have Gone. James kobe

1985
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:47,239
michael james there are. So many connections there i'm just

1986
01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:49,479
saying that what you're saying they. Should have actively changed they.

1987
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:52,439
Should have. Actively changed they weren't they've they should have

1988
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,239
made it more egregious than if that's what. It Should

1989
01:37:54,239 --> 01:37:58,359
have been, Kobe, michael lebron right yes they Should Have Just.

1990
01:37:58,399 --> 01:38:02,119
Speaker 2: BEEN cobe michael, KAREEM i don't, know i don't care

1991
01:38:02,359 --> 01:38:05,439
just something, that, would be like yeah, also an older,

1992
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:07,920
rookie by the way also going to turn, twenty four

1993
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,680
this season So and this is this is The.

1994
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: Maturity level that i'm. Kind of talking about someone who,

1995
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,159
comes in, and Says All right like i've i've had

1996
01:38:16,199 --> 01:38:19,520
My fun, at THE Calicia level like i i'm ready to.

1997
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:23,359
Do some, Damage here so. Yeah i'm with you. That's

1998
01:38:23,359 --> 01:38:26,840
a good show and THE other shout out, i, WOULD

1999
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:28,439
like to well i think there's two rookies. We could

2000
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:32,560
Talk about Is. IN portland young handsome i still believe

2001
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:33,319
he's just not Playing A.

2002
01:38:33,359 --> 01:38:37,039
Speaker 2: TON young young hanson i think that he is going

2003
01:38:37,039 --> 01:38:39,279
to be end up being better on. Defense, THAN people

2004
01:38:39,319 --> 01:38:42,399
expect still i have not Changed that prior and i'm

2005
01:38:42,399 --> 01:38:44,640
still just interested to see. WHAT in more minutes i

2006
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,560
think that he is someone who could. Be an instrumental

2007
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,279
passer but they have a Lot. Of dudes on portland

2008
01:38:49,279 --> 01:38:51,800
they like, to play small too and so he's been hard.

2009
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:53,920
Pressed TO get minutes, and i will say as someone,

2010
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:57,520
who even loves him hasn't necessarily earned. A ton of minutes, Jonny,

2011
01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:58,439
THOUGHTS on, him.

2012
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 1: Well i mean here's another rookie apparently during SUMMER league

2013
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:06,399
play which i heard, about but Didn't See who. Got

2014
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:09,479
nikola jokic COMPS so apparently nowadays.

2015
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:12,640
Speaker 2: I probably Made some of those apparently now it's Just easy, to,

2016
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,840
get Jokic, Comps Which like okay nicola? Jokic even impressive

2017
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:18,760
anymore then is Everyone? Just a new jokic is? THAT

2018
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,439
where we are i would, like to say No but

2019
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:22,720
he the jolkic. PASS the other night I, was just

2020
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,920
like i he we'ren't the point where he shouldn't be

2021
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:26,960
able TO keep us in.

2022
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 1: Awe twenty four, seven three sixty five. AND he still does.

2023
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,680
Speaker 2: I think that's why i, pushed BACK on it like i,

2024
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:38,199
think it's so insulting like arguing arguably the best offensive big.

2025
01:39:38,279 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: MAN of full time i.

2026
01:39:39,039 --> 01:39:42,119
Speaker 2: Don't think it's insulting it's. Just become too again the

2027
01:39:42,199 --> 01:39:44,359
VIBES of, it all i get but we just. Throw

2028
01:39:44,399 --> 01:39:47,399
them around haphazardly and, if, it's, A JOKE yeah sure

2029
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:49,039
but i think it's. More of a concern it's Not.

2030
01:39:49,079 --> 01:39:51,319
AN insult to yokic i viewed as if you really

2031
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:53,960
because if You Think thought that jan hansen Was going

2032
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,359
to be jokic and this is what, his rookie season

2033
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,079
is you're you're going to.

2034
01:39:58,119 --> 01:39:59,600
Speaker 1: Believe he's a disaster.

2035
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,319
Speaker 2: So so many people coming into this year Just Incredibly.

2036
01:40:04,319 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 1: Disappointed. In yon, hansen no so honestly he's just played

2037
01:40:11,159 --> 01:40:13,000
so few MINUTES that are.

2038
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,399
Speaker 2: You i guess the real question is there's there's nothing

2039
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:19,000
to take away. From, his rookie season well are you surprised?

2040
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,279
He hasn't played.

2041
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:23,159
Speaker 1: More there's one thing i'm. Taking, away from it uh

2042
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:27,560
him being allowed to take threes at this RATE was

2043
01:40:28,199 --> 01:40:30,199
something that i wasn't sure was going. To be a

2044
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:33,239
thing i'm glad that they're going this route because and

2045
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:35,439
they sort of they sort of went The Same win with,

2046
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:38,239
donovan klingen basically, saying you know what, We're, okay with

2047
01:40:38,279 --> 01:40:40,119
that like we're okay with you taking. THE three point.

2048
01:40:40,119 --> 01:40:43,479
SHOT i love that i love the, centers like, have

2049
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:47,800
that you know that green flag or that green light

2050
01:40:48,199 --> 01:40:51,199
to be able to go out and actually take it

2051
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,760
because eventually it's going. To be a necessity so for

2052
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:57,720
a young guy coming in the league and not having

2053
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,720
TO worry about am I getting yank if? I? Take this?

2054
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:04,079
Three No take. It j. I'm, FELLER it's fine. YEAH

2055
01:41:04,199 --> 01:41:07,119
i like. That, i like that well he he.

2056
01:41:07,039 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 2: Doesn't worry about getting yanked because he's just gonna play, eclusively,

2057
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:11,479
In garbage time right but there.

2058
01:41:11,399 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 1: Was there's that and the other take.

2059
01:41:13,159 --> 01:41:16,520
Speaker 2: Just THE defensive takeaway and i can't remember what garbage

2060
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:17,920
time GAME it was as, i saw him in but there,

2061
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:19,960
was just two possessed straight possessions where he played both

2062
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:21,520
ends of the pick and roll and broke up. One

2063
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:23,520
of The, PLAYS and it's okay i don't Think He's

2064
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,239
gonna be Defensive player, of the year material but it

2065
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:28,520
just feels like there's maybe a, little Bit more there

2066
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:31,079
and i'm so fascinated to see how he's developed and.

2067
01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:31,600
Speaker 1: WHAT he turns.

2068
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 2: Into i still fascinated is. The word by him i'm

2069
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:39,319
not Gonna. Call him baby jokic maybe he's more what

2070
01:41:39,359 --> 01:41:41,520
would be The. Word like fetus jokic so he hasn't.

2071
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:46,680
Speaker 1: Really, Been, born yet okay okay we're we're entering that

2072
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,399
stage of the podcast. Where, we're, Just Idiots.

2073
01:41:49,039 --> 01:41:53,199
Speaker 2: Okay great caleb love or That's a totally valid he's he.

2074
01:41:53,239 --> 01:41:55,319
Speaker 1: Hasn't come out Yet he'll be baby jokic by his.

2075
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:59,600
Speaker 2: Sophomore Or third season Caleb love coming for me Came

2076
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,600
out of where caleb of not somebody KNEW a ton

2077
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,840
about i just really the real takeaway from his season

2078
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:06,800
Is he had the warriors broadcast in.

2079
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 1: Shambles, the other night. YEAH you'd told me i haven't

2080
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:10,239
heard that.

2081
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:13,119
Speaker 2: Because he was just he, was knocking down threes, and,

2082
01:42:13,159 --> 01:42:15,199
they were basically well you're not gonna win this game

2083
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:18,319
when this guy. Is shooting like that and to some

2084
01:42:18,479 --> 01:42:21,079
extent that's kind of true because he's not shot. The,

2085
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:24,720
ball exceptionally well overall his shot making is all over

2086
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,720
the place and it needs to even out just because

2087
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:29,439
he's not the best, finisher at THE basket and so

2088
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:32,680
i think he. NEEDS that perimeter game I will say

2089
01:42:33,279 --> 01:42:36,319
what i like about him is he will he's looking

2090
01:42:36,319 --> 01:42:38,840
to pass on THE move more than, i expected, from

2091
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:42,239
him just effort going back through his scouting reports and

2092
01:42:42,319 --> 01:42:46,399
then the movement, away from. The ball just everything like

2093
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:48,920
my very few priors of him and then looking back

2094
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:50,960
at some of the stuff that was written, about him

2095
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:54,399
pre draft felt like he was going to be someone

2096
01:42:54,399 --> 01:42:57,880
who maybe needed the ball, athletically to make plays and

2097
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,720
he hasn't necessarily. Needed to do that so to just

2098
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,359
be Able to get some caleb ve minutes going early

2099
01:43:03,399 --> 01:43:05,560
on in the season and to just, have that game

2100
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:08,479
again he he, won you the game or was one

2101
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:10,760
of your two or three primary reasons That you beat

2102
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:13,439
the warriors and put. THEIR broadcast in shambles i would

2103
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:15,720
call THAT eleven of. Ten, A plus, stuff.

2104
01:43:17,399 --> 01:43:23,279
Speaker 1: Yes so overall not, a great efficiency player not, at

2105
01:43:23,279 --> 01:43:27,840
the collegia LEVEL not. At the nba level i'm curious

2106
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:30,840
as to what his, Totally, total upside is like, what

2107
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:32,960
his ceiling is what kind of role he CAN have.

2108
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,319
At the nba level is he going to be someone

2109
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:40,159
who can settle into. A more streamlined role you, Were,

2110
01:43:40,199 --> 01:43:42,520
talking about this oh we were talking about this. Earlier

2111
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:46,199
with another player who? The? HELL was that like I Think? Was, it,

2112
01:43:46,279 --> 01:43:49,640
A's bailey yeah yeah like just getting into more of

2113
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:52,439
a limited role where you can be a star within

2114
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:56,640
this small. FRACTION of the offense i think that has to.

2115
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:59,840
Be THE way forward and i just don't know if

2116
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:02,800
he's the three point shot. OVER it's something else i

2117
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:04,680
do think he offers you. SOMETHING on the class i

2118
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,279
do think he gives. You some all roundness he's Done

2119
01:44:07,279 --> 01:44:11,159
that at the. Gleacha level as well so it's just

2120
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:15,119
a matter of finding out what can he do THAT'S sustainable,

2121
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,520
At the nba level because like, coming in, and scoring

2122
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:22,800
you know twenty Six points against the warriors and being

2123
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:27,000
allowed fourteen three point shots probably not sustainable in the.

2124
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,840
LONG term for him i don't think that's a, role

2125
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:33,199
he's gonna get especially. Playing, forty, seven minutes so like

2126
01:44:33,319 --> 01:44:37,880
what is? HIS path towards relevance.

2127
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,119
Speaker 2: I have no idea and like one of, The bigger

2128
01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:42,920
like so portland plays basically faster than. Anybody in the

2129
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:47,640
league he's been radic even in. High, quality transition opportunities

2130
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:50,600
yeah seven. Of NINETEEN in transition, so i don't know

2131
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:52,800
but he'll. ALWAYS have that game i will just say

2132
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:57,199
the comps that came out for him were along The

2133
01:44:57,239 --> 01:45:00,520
Lines of a jamal crawford Even And maybe.

2134
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:03,159
Speaker 1: A kevin porter junior the game might be a little.

2135
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:06,600
Speaker 2: BIT more spot on i just really looked at that,

2136
01:45:07,239 --> 01:45:09,920
background info and thought there's this is not someone who

2137
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:13,960
should be even remotely menacing, away From THE ball right

2138
01:45:14,079 --> 01:45:15,680
and i think that he's, at least done that or

2139
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:17,359
at least has made an effort to and we'll see.

2140
01:45:17,359 --> 01:45:19,119
Where IT pans out but i have if you, Were

2141
01:45:19,159 --> 01:45:23,119
To ask me, I'm i'll say this i'm Way More

2142
01:45:23,159 --> 01:45:26,760
confident in will richard being a staple rotation PLAYER long term.

2143
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 1: Than I would be caleb love that might be the best.

2144
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:32,720
Speaker 2: Way, to frame it yeah See there any other do

2145
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,920
you have any honorable MENTIONS or Guys that i think

2146
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:38,039
the one that sticks with me is we have not

2147
01:45:38,119 --> 01:45:40,239
seen a ton. OF common mole watch i thought that

2148
01:45:40,279 --> 01:45:41,560
he was gonna be someone that was gonna get a

2149
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,159
ton of minute out Of, the gate for phoenix, and

2150
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:48,039
to their credit they've been pretty feisty. And good and fun,

2151
01:45:48,119 --> 01:45:50,760
Stat On that more dylan brooks right now is seventh

2152
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:56,680
in self created. Shot, making efficiency seventh okay that's that's

2153
01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:58,600
the stat that, just blew, my head all right and,

2154
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:00,000
it's it's Obviously sustainable.

2155
01:46:00,279 --> 01:46:03,520
Speaker 1: Is, what. I'm getting yeah totally but.

2156
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:05,399
Speaker 2: We're as that surprised you at all that he hasn't

2157
01:46:05,399 --> 01:46:07,239
gotten or do you think that this is, a matter

2158
01:46:07,279 --> 01:46:11,000
of well look, at what they're doing malawatch isn't going

2159
01:46:11,039 --> 01:46:13,640
to a line with them Being Scrappy in the western,

2160
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:15,079
Conference AT this STAGE.

2161
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 1: And i just i don't know.

2162
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:18,399
Speaker 2: How to square it you you got the tenth You

2163
01:46:18,399 --> 01:46:20,960
Got him into kevin durantrady. Was, the tenth pick yeah

2164
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:23,119
so you do have some you have real. Equity INVESTED

2165
01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:24,880
in him but i look at how the rest of

2166
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:27,279
the team is playing the Minutes They've. Used with ohsu

2167
01:46:27,399 --> 01:46:30,560
Gadaro We talked about mark williams. ON a previous podcast

2168
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:33,800
i don't know what, to make of it BUT at

2169
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,479
some point i hope he gets more minutes just so

2170
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:36,560
we can kind of see what he looks.

2171
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 1: Like at this level this is a team that doesn't

2172
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:43,359
always value draft picks or or. Guys that they draft

2173
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:47,880
Remember When they declined jalen smith's for your option as

2174
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:51,680
well after he was drafted Tenth over You, and jalen

2175
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:55,479
smith man are? YOU on the payroll. I wish, to'll

2176
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:59,439
be that's fine. Just call me. Up, I'll do That

2177
01:46:59,479 --> 01:47:02,479
no but like i'm just saying that the, King, or

2178
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:06,239
The king sorry the suns have a tendency to not

2179
01:47:06,399 --> 01:47:09,920
get the best out, of their draft picks and where

2180
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:12,359
they lack foresight is probably the best. WAY to phrase

2181
01:47:12,399 --> 01:47:16,279
it i just don't think regardless of whether they're feist,

2182
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:20,000
Or not they are THERE'S just, no way i, can

2183
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:25,199
in any way shape or form justify this, as an,

2184
01:47:25,279 --> 01:47:29,800
organization like oh yeah let's get this guy, tenth overall

2185
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:34,479
in lottery like he let's play him under. Five minutes

2186
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:40,079
per game it's just, it's so blatantly ridiculous and you

2187
01:47:40,119 --> 01:47:43,279
can sit, there, and, argue that oh well we're better off.

2188
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:46,199
Trying this, And that all right so When you were

2189
01:47:46,239 --> 01:47:50,680
beating indiana, by thirty five points you could only get

2190
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:53,600
him six. Minutes, of playing time really When you're beating

2191
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,199
the pelicans, by twenty three points you could only get

2192
01:47:56,239 --> 01:48:00,960
him four. Minutes of playing. Time bull absolutely ball. THAT

2193
01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:04,279
is just again i just Do not trust the suns

2194
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:08,600
at this stage to go out and actually invest in like,

2195
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:11,840
legitimate Junk guys because like ryan don know so last year,

2196
01:48:12,039 --> 01:48:14,800
they were older rookies they were a little bit more.

2197
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:18,000
Ready for the fight but when it, comes to younger guys.

2198
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,600
They lose their patients this has been a thing. THEY'VE

2199
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:22,960
done for years i need to see. Them. Flip that

2200
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,760
switch malawatch not, playing more is.

2201
01:48:26,159 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 2: Criminal just absolutely, criminal do you think if, you had

2202
01:48:31,039 --> 01:48:33,319
to guess do you think that that will change at?

2203
01:48:33,359 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 1: Some point this.

2204
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:39,039
Speaker 2: SEASON because it's not i, know people have mentioned Well If,

2205
01:48:39,039 --> 01:48:41,680
they Trade nick richards nick richards isn't, Even, PLAYING really.

2206
01:48:42,039 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 1: Right no i, know they're playing centerless but if you,

2207
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:45,439
want to play?

2208
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 2: Centerless Why go on mark, williams is a, center, right

2209
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:50,760
all right okay BUT you.

2210
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:58,079
Speaker 1: Know what I, mean adjacent adjacent okay but LIKE you,

2211
01:48:58,119 --> 01:48:59,840
know what i mean they don't really go deep on,

2212
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:02,479
the traditional center stuff which is fair like that is a.

2213
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:05,439
CHOICE as an organization i don't necessarily sit here and

2214
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:08,520
say that. That's a bad idea because you can start

2215
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:11,680
to win. Games, of that mentality well then why go

2216
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:16,640
out and spend the Tenth overall Pick on malawach. Centric

2217
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:19,760
cowaracter's right there if you want to, go more wing

2218
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:23,359
heavy you're. Gonna taken him instead there were so many, Don't,

2219
01:49:23,359 --> 01:49:26,119
GET me STARTED dan i just i when he, WAS

2220
01:49:26,279 --> 01:49:29,960
picked at tenth i, remember, sitting there going. Oh what

2221
01:49:30,119 --> 01:49:34,520
a waste that WAS the first thing i thought of when,

2222
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:38,399
he was picked there and so. FAR it stayed true i.

2223
01:49:38,319 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 2: Probably wouldn't go, as far, as to You know criticize the,

2224
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:45,079
suns TO that Extent but i, Am, i've clocked that

2225
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:47,439
oh this is very bizarre to me that he is, not,

2226
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:50,359
playing MORE so yes and i think. IT needs to

2227
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:53,239
change i know that gradual, development is a thing but

2228
01:49:53,319 --> 01:49:54,600
at some point you want to find.

2229
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:56,039
Speaker 1: Out WHAT you, have.

2230
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 2: And i mean if you don't play someone look At the. Dice,

2231
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:02,159
and daniels situation yeah barely plays and Doesn't Play enough

2232
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:04,520
in new orleans, vers first Two years gets who lanta,

2233
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:06,000
has his breakout season all of sudden he Has to

2234
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,079
be paid like you're you're talking about an extension and

2235
01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:11,239
so you're you need you want to, amass that sample size.

2236
01:50:11,279 --> 01:50:13,279
ESPECIALLY in a season i know you don't control your,

2237
01:50:13,279 --> 01:50:16,319
own first round pick but. There are no stakes like

2238
01:50:16,359 --> 01:50:17,680
we all kind Of knew that the suns have, been

2239
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:19,840
friskier than expected but you gotta find a, way to

2240
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:21,880
get him get him, more PT and.

2241
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 1: Again like i said a thirty Five, point win against indiana?

2242
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:31,119
Six minutes six minutes can you can you justify that

2243
01:50:31,159 --> 01:50:32,439
AS an organization because i don't.

2244
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,479
Speaker 2: IF he was active i did not See, the game

2245
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:36,239
against indiana so, if he, WAS out you know i

2246
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:37,680
don't know how you justify not.

2247
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:39,039
Speaker 1: Playing, Him, in that.

2248
01:50:39,399 --> 01:50:43,079
Speaker 2: No no he played, but six minutes again six minutes

2249
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:45,720
in a, thirty five point win and.

2250
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:48,680
Speaker 1: You have it's he's. A top ten pick you have to.

2251
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,880
Invest in, his development it's unseerious.

2252
01:50:52,279 --> 01:50:55,640
Speaker 2: Is what it is and it wouldn't even shock me if,

2253
01:50:55,680 --> 01:51:00,359
he's traded mid season like some organizations go, Into, that men.

2254
01:51:00,279 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 1: Sadly okay we. Have a young guy he's not gonna

2255
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:05,560
fit something because like we're, we're frisky this year. We're

2256
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,439
doing pretty well let's see, what we can get and

2257
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:11,479
like his salary slot is actually pretty high because this

2258
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:15,920
rookie scale is is? You know up there let Me

2259
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,079
just make sure i'm not. Lying to our listeners, but

2260
01:51:18,119 --> 01:51:22,319
like six million. That's not a contract you, you don't get,

2261
01:51:22,319 --> 01:51:27,279
anything then all right you. Can get Someone there just

2262
01:51:27,279 --> 01:51:30,359
saying i'm. Trying to is there i'm trying to think.

2263
01:51:30,319 --> 01:51:33,279
IF there's, Anyone Else i mean chris youngblood playing so

2264
01:51:33,399 --> 01:51:38,159
much more than now we're down in the slumps. OF

2265
01:51:38,199 --> 01:51:41,800
the rookie class. I think we're okay i he.

2266
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,600
Speaker 2: Has, not PLAYED a ton and i would not expect him.

2267
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:46,880
To Play A ton but brooks barnheiser is not a

2268
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:49,319
is not THE dregs. Of the na draft that dude

2269
01:51:49,399 --> 01:51:51,159
is going, to be a player whether, All, OF a

2270
01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:53,680
sudden oh i don't Know If we Need Lou door or,

2271
01:51:54,039 --> 01:51:57,479
alex Cruiser Moving forward. Because brooks barnheiser exists just remember

2272
01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:58,960
that you heard it here first fair.

2273
01:52:00,359 --> 01:52:01,479
Speaker 1: You have anything else or are you.

2274
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:03,600
Speaker 2: Ready to tell our audience where they can find you

2275
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:04,439
and all the fantastic.

2276
01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:07,399
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2279
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:18,880
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2280
01:52:20,319 --> 01:52:24,359
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2281
01:52:24,399 --> 01:52:26,119
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2282
01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:30,159
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2283
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2284
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