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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasi gos. I'm Dan Favalley coming at

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you with my certified fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes.

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We're on to another twenty twenty five twenty twenty six

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NBA season. Look ahead. The Brooklyn Nets are up, which

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means we have the distinct pleasure of being joined by

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Lucas Kaplan covers the Nets and the Liberty for Nets Daily.

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You can also find his stuff over at Basketball Insiders

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as well. He does excellent work. Follow him on the

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socials at Lucas Kaplan. That's at Lucas kap La and

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Lucas Year three. For you, Thank you much for so

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much for coming back. How the heck are you?

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Speaker 2: I could do this in my sleep. By this point,

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I feel super comfortable in the chair. I think this

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is my first time with Grant though, but I'm very,

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very very excited to be back here because it's signals

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busy season in the NBA, which is always a welcome sign.

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Speaker 1: Now this is fun because since it's your first time

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with Grant, if you won't come back next year, I

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get to lay the blame in his feet.

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Speaker 3: I don't know me. I am known for my gotcha questions,

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So just really, can you keep your knees bent, be

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on your toes for all?

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Speaker 2: I think we'll have a Kevin Durant Draymond Green style

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moment against the Clippers.

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Speaker 3: That would be, you know, I was gonna have a

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tank Dan, I was about to do a tangent a

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mid twenty in, but I'm gonna reserve that for later.

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Let's get started here, Lucas. I think, uh, we were

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talking a little bit before we started recording, just about

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kind of the how this season feels like things are

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kind of temporary or new or experimental. That seems, you know,

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from Afar to be part of, Like this feels like

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a pretty like well planned bottom out effort getting both

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of the you know, getting their pickback last year didn't

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pan out quite the way they might have hoped. They've

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got another crack at it is that sort of the

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lens through which you're viewing this season. We'll get to

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all the like some of the interesting things that will

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happen with this team and how young it is and experimental,

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but like the way the last two years went to

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you feel like this is this is like the real

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honest shot. We gotta be sort of as bad as

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is possible to be.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is. I think that everything that happened this

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summer is in line with the plan. You know. I

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don't think they overreacted to falling to the eighth pick

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or deviated. You know, I think the Cam Johnson Michael

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Porter junior swap would have been something that made sense

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whether they got the one pick or the fourteen pick.

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You know, they get that twenty thirty two Denver first,

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So I don't think it's an overreaction maybe to you know,

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getting that eighth pick in the draft last year. But

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I do think if you're just from the outside looking in,

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and I would imagine organizationally, this is it. You know,

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you traded for Phoenix assets for two of your own back.

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One of them's already conveyed. It was the eighth pick.

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And by the way, that Phoenix pick was like two

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late tenth, tenth, so you really didn't get a ton

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out of that swap. So this is the chance, and

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you got a loaded top of the twenty twenty six

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draft class. So yes, this is the chance to do

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that and simultaneously really like start this rebuild now that

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you have some young talent in the room. So yeah,

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you're on the money, I guess.

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Speaker 1: When you look at where they are, though we know

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they don't have their own twenty twenty seven first round pick,

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so given the spot that they're currently into where you

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can't even like look at someone on this roster and

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so okay, that's the ten pole of the future, that's

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clearly the guy. Do you think that we're headed towards

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the situation where they're going to then continue down this

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gradual path with complete disregard for that commitment, that obligation

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that's still headed to Houston? Is that very much TVD

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on what happens with next year's draft, And they're also

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they could still have a ton of cap space, and

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so I'm just very interesting what internally their timeline is

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going to end up being because of that obligation and

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because of I don't want to say how little they

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have to show for what's gotten them here, but like

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they probably wanted a higher end prospect than the five

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they got out of the first round this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is year one of the rebuild. Honestly,

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like last year was like year zero because they didn't

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actually have the young building block talent in the room.

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get it. Now they have some of it, so we

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can start to evaluate that talent. I would say that

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because of how much flexibility they have, the future draft assets,

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the cap space, some tradable contracts, they probably have. My

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view on it is there's probably a timeline of like, Okay,

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you know, we're gonna start trying to win modestly next

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year at least not worry about bottoming out. And then

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you know, we have some margins on either side. We

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can maneuver through some things. If you know, a star

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becomes available that wants to play in New York, we

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can pick up the phone. But it's really, I think

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going to be this year. It's about trying to maximize

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that draft pick and then we'll see, we'll see where

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we're at. You know, next summer. You hear the flexibility

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word a lot when you talk to people around the team.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to get to the forward looking stuff

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with this team because I think that's where the real

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like we can have some like philosophical discussions about basketball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, through their.

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Speaker 3: Picks and stuff. But before we get there, the Cam

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Thomas situation that resolved the way that it did. Just

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I'm curious on your your you know, you're closer to

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the whole thing than Dan or certainly I am. How

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do you feel about how that played out? You know,

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knowing now that like this is not a player or

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maybe not correct me, that this is not a player

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they view as a long term piece. What's that gonna

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do for this coming season in terms of his role,

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like his attitude, how he's used, how much he plays, Like,

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how does that all square?

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Speaker 2: I wish I could tell you. I mean, it's a

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really odd situation. Just they don't have an incentive to

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play him a ton or to really feature him, right, Like,

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what is their incentive? Because let's take them at their

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word at face value and say, you know, we do

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believe in Cam, We've seen his development. We just couldn't

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get to a number, and we'll revisit these talks in

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unrestricted free agency next year and we hope he's here

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for the long term. I don't think that's a totally

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unreasonable place to come from. So let's say that it's true.

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Even presupposing that, why would they feature him a ton

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and a year they're trying to lose and hopefully resign

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him for a modest number next year. So I just

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I have no idea, and Cam Thomas the game is

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screams contract year no matter what his situation. He's sort

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of a perpetually contract year kind of guy.

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Speaker 3: So maybe nothing's different. Maybe he'll just be exactly the

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same and we'll all just agree that, like this will

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be cool when he's doing it somewhere else next year.

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Speaker 2: I guess maybe. I mean. I was watching their first

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preseason game on Saturday, his first bucket coming down, and

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after a nice allue pass off the pick and roll

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coming down in semi transition seventeen on the shot clock,

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picks up his dribble, pivot pivot shot, fake pivot, fall

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away fourteen footer and cashes it. It's like, well, I

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think this sets the tone for the year. You are

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still Cam Thomas, and frankly I think a fairly valuable

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offensive player, but you're Camp Thomas. So I don't really

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know what to expect this year other than maybe we're

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all expecting too much and it'll just be more of

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the same. And I don't really see him totally changing

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his value to the Nets and the rest of the

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league this year, regardless of what happens, and he also

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has to stay healthy. He has sneakily had some pretty

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consistent injury troubles in his career, including four hamstring strains

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last year. And you know, he came into the camp

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like looking slimmer, but it is a question of, well,

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you do need to be durable. I don't think that's

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helping his value either. So a big year for him,

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but probably not in the situation that he would draw up.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm wondering if him having the implicit no

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trade now, do you think that makes it less likely

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that he's actually moved because this is a play for

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him to get to unrestricted free agency next summer, or

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is there like value and if the Nets aren't going

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to use him or feature him as heavily, if we're

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you know, let's say we get to December or something

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and they've moved on from the Camp Thomas experiment, it's

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actually make it maybe more likely that he Okay, it's

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this implicit no trade, but he will go anywhere that

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wants him because it means that he just might have

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a more prominent role.

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Speaker 2: I think the former I think that he paid four

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million dollars for this no trade clause. If you look

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at some of the reporting, it was the NETS did

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offer him a one year, ten million dollar deal that

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did not have a no trade clause, but he accepted

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the one year six million qualifying offer, which does come

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with that kind of no trade clause. He already didn't

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get the money he wanted, and then he was like,

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here's another four million dollars because I'm pretty fed up

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with this and I just want to control my future

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as much as possible. So I think he is probably

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not getting traded. At least I think it did actually

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decrease the likelihood of it. But it just screams to

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me a guy that is wants to take full control

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of his career and he said those words, and whatever

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that means to him will see. I don't really know

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if it is, you know, getting traded to a contender,

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maybe coming off the bench and like playing on a

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playoff team. If I had to guess, for him, it

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means more like, let me show out and try to

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put myself in a good position where more teams have

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cap space next summer, and you know, you talk to

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people and it's like, I just don't know if he

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really believes and understands kind of how the league is

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currently looking at him. You know, I don't think the

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money necessarily would have been there this summer, and I

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don't know what he can do realistically to change that

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perception next summer.

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Speaker 1: It feels like his archetype of player, I don't want

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to use the term under sea is underseage, but like

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that's not I don't know he'd go out and score

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twenty five points a game for the Nets this season.

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I don't know if it actually materially changed his value,

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like we just like Jalen Green got the windfall, but

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trade asset. Look at what Quentin Grimes goes off and

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Philly isn't able to get a deal now look at it,

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and Anthony Simon's is kind of viewed. But that's what

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even O Hero where people as soon as he got

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a second deal, people are like, oh, like this is

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just so He's not the level of playmaker of most

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of those guys that we just named, And so I

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just wonder for him, and I'm wondering if this is

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a general question about the archetype of player is does

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it make more sense to be on a good team

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to come off the bench and help drive winning or

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positive minutes, because that might get you paid if it

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proves that you can be more plug and play or

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coexist on this good team rather than be close to

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the guy or like a b option.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say that I've written this many times.

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I would be so infuriated if I looked across the coastline,

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across this, across the map and I saw Jalen Green

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making thirty five million dollars in Phoenix. If I was

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Cam Thomas, like, Okay, he got drafted higher. I you know,

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I kind of think Cam is better and he makes shots,

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he's a legitimately good jump shooter. I would just be

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sad I think he does and he's like that is infuriating,

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and I get it for him. But it's it's really

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interesting that you mentioned that, because I think you're right, like,

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if a guy like that were to go to contribute

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to winning, come off the bench right or start or whatever,

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that would signify a lot of value. But you know

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what's really interesting, and it's really in the last ten

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years or so, we don't really have like, oh, the

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bench guy that comes in and does this one thing

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and scores and then you take him out. Like you

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look at really good bench pieces and they're like complimentary

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pieces to the starting lineup. They're different looks. They can

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fit with your starters instead of, you know, come in

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off the bench and kind of run things and give

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us a scoring boost. Obviously, those guys are in the

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league and have a valuable place in the league. But

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to be a really good bench player, it's almost like

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a change of pace, like running back, Like you want

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the guy who can pass block and allows you to

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run this. You want the guy that can run between

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the tackles or outside. Like you look at the pacers.

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They don't go to Obie Toppin or well whoever else

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they bring off the bench Nei Smith, Nemhard those guys started, Yeah,

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thank you. I was losing my mind, Ben Shephard. They

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don't bring those guys in to like run the offense

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and do their own thing. They bring them in to

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give the starters a different look, to give Tyrese haliburt

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In a different kind of outlet and camp Thomas, I

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don't know who you really know if he can do that,

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if you can give your best players a different look,

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or if he's just going to be on the court,

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and it's like, well, if you play Cam, you have

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to put the ball on his hands, but then you

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also have to play a defensive guard next to him,

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and then you also have to have this like that

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is not what the NBA wants out of their supporting

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pieces right now.

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Speaker 3: I think I always think of it as teams are

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viewing their roster construction in a lot of ways through

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like a playoff lens, which one means if you're a

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specialist of this variety in particular, you just like, like

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Cam Thomas maybe can't defend well enough to get you

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through three playoff series. And it's like, well, that's not

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really an issue at the moment, but like that's still

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the lens he gets viewed through. And then also like

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the best version of these types of players we're talking

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about are like they have to be a huge part

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of what you do, and it's I think teams have decided,

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like we're better off just moving it around a lot

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than getting a guy with a huge usage rate that's

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below average as a true shooting percent or whatever not

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that Actually Thomas is kind of on the high end

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of those types of guys. Yeah, in terms of his efficiency,

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but like he's just lumped in with it. Yeah, he's

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got to be longing for the days of like Jamal

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Crawford and Lou Williams and early Jordan Clarkson, like those

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guys are who like if if they had a market,

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And I guess Thomas just doesn't now.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure he feels I'm sure he hears that

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and probably feels a little slighted, like you know he did.

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And and I've written about his flaws a lot. Youngest player

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to ever score forty and three straight games, Like he's

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had these moments where you watch him and it's like, oh,

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this is really advanced for a twenty one, twenty two

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year old and is actually dragging them to wins through

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sheer scoring. But ultimately that is kind of how the

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league views him right now. And it's just it's so

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hard to be a score first guy in the NBA,

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Like the bar is just so high if that's what

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you do to be good, And it's not really a

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huge slight that teams don't view him as capable of

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being that on a good team right now.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna talk about Cam Johnson and MPJ, but

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this is just such a ripe segue into like, as

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for comparison's sake, if Cam Thomas is a type of

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player that's out of favor. The Nets had five first

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round picks and use them all, and they really seem

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to skew towards guys with a very different skill set

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than what Thomas has just to be to kind of

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jump from one issue to the other. So I really

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want your take on just generally, were you surprised they

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used all five of those first rounders that that's like

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if you were betting on If I had been betting

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on it, I would have said, there's no way. And

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then what are your thoughts on, Like, we can go

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through them individually, but is there a through line, a

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skill set, consistent thing that they seemed to be looking

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for with those players that they took in the first round?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a I forget who tweeted this. I

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should know this, but someone tweeted this. After the draft nights.

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There were three players in the draft that averaged six

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assists per thirty six minutes. The Nets took all three

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of them, and Danny Wolf had the second highest assist

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rate ever for any seven footer in the NCAA, and

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you watched the press conferences and you heard them talk

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about zero point five decision making getting on or off

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the ball, just this belief that if you stack as

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many willing, competent decision makers on the floor at once,

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it leads to good offense. And it's a you know,

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it is a black and white bet in this direction.

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And you know they also drafted Drake Powell, who's kind

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of like a three and D wing who can't really

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do much on offense right now. But that is you know,

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even if you think, oh, well they were just taking

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best player available, it should tell you about what they

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think the best player available was that they all kind

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of have this sort of skill set. So that's the

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other interesting layer to the camp Thomas thing. It's like, well,

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this team just seemingly made a huge bet against the

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sort of stuff that you do very specifically you, So

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there is that too. But yeah, it was a very

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in my mind's unambiguous draft philosophy that they carried out,

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and I'm excited to see it. Like to be different,

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you have to act different. So I'm genuinely I didn't

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love it at the time. I've talked myself into at

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least being kind of morbidly fascinated by it.

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Speaker 3: The criticism would be like, if you have all these

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first round picks, you should be taking cracks at like

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the guy with the highest superstar ceiling. But maybe that

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guy wasn't there. I think I'm curious about your take

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on and this will require you to get inside the

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head of Sean Marks and the nets like player evaluation staff,

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so it's unfair. But do you view this bent as

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more of like a copycat thing, like look what the

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Pacers accomplished with smart offensive players and movement and good

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passers and all this stuff. Or is it like a

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broader market inefficiency where it's kind of like, maybe this

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is the skill set you have to have to play

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basketball in twenty twenty five effectively.

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Speaker 2: I would lean to the ladder. I think it is

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more of that, And I also think it is a

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very clear eyed acknowledgment of their situation in that Listen,

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we're probably not going to be great unless a superstar

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finds their way to Brooklyn in the next three or

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four years. And if one of these willing passing guards

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really hits, and who better to kind of play with

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one of those stars? I think it's kind of both.

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And the reason that the draft heard at the time

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other than like, you know, the nets are perceived to

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be reaching on guys and then it pants to their

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war room just going insane on the broadcast, which is

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you know whatever, who cares. But a very funny look

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is that it feels like, right you draft these at

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least with the three guards. They their entire pre NBA

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careers have been high, pick and roll the basketballs in

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your hand, and it feels now like they a have

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to cannibalize each other, right Like, it's hard to imagine

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all three of them succeeding in this environment. And b

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you also didn't get maybe value, you know, relative to

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their draft slot. So that kind of I think dampened

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the mood for me and many others on draft night.

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But in the months since, it's like, well, they're doing

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something different and I'm at least, you know, I'm excited

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to see. So I've talked myself into it since that night,

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but those worries still exist.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there's an element of and it's specifically

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like it ties to yeg or demon specifically to where

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it's are they looking at the quality and these guys

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to where Okay, when you're looking at the assists or

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the way that they play, they think those players might

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be more easily adaptable. Because I was going to ask

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you about the vision yeah for yeg or where when

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you look at summer League. I watch a lot of

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him in Summer League. He was off the ball, like

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he was knocking down jumpers, very malleable positionally, But then

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there's also still I think the biggest concern with him

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is like, is this a guy who when he's on

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the ball, can he touch the paint?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Can he touch the paint with those on ball touches?

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So what have you? I guess your early impressions of

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like their vision for him, especially against the backdrop of okay,

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they did draft all these at least two of these

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other guys that want the ball in their hands.

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Speaker 2: I think the cell is this. He was a career

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in many leagues in many settings, thirty six percent three

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point shooter before BYU as a pro you know in Europe,

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and they think he can shoot. And so if you

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think he can shoot and he just kind of couldn't

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last year, or got you know, a raw deal, raw

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sample size, whatever, he's a pretty good statistical prospect because

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all of his flaws come from the lack of three

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point shooting. He took a lot of them and he

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only made twenty seven percent, which kind of depressed everything else.

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But the other cell of that is, like, yes, he

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doesn't really have a lot of bend, a lot of juice.

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He didn't really touch the paint well. He led one

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of the five best offenses in college basketball last year,

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and they plummeted when he was off the floor. And

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so the bed is, if you just put this tall,

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passing guy that we think can shoot on the floor,

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that's a productive offensive player in any context. And even

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if he can't really shake people, his ability to pass

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and read the floor at six' nine is going to play.

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Somewhat so if they think he can, SHOOT i get.

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It and it'll be interesting to, see as you, mentioned

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like how much of his reps are really on, ball

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how much are off, Ball like do they really just

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think he's supercharged Hopefully joe ingles like, passing shooting wing

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or do they want to kind of mold him into

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more of an on ball. Player so his usage is

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gonna be something really key to watch this. Year and

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if he can figure out a way to like get

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to the paint at all AGAINST nba.

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Speaker 3: Defenders do you view say that just to get the

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kind of the next two really the more primary ball handling,

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Guards traore And Sarah, like of those, TWO i, guess

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do you think one of them profiles more as like

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the worst spamming pick and rolls type or, like because

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it seems like jem and is maybe we're fine with

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him on the second side being a connective. Passer he

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can run a pick and roll if the defense is

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if we swing it to, him but that maybe he's

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not gonna be pounding the dribble like of those other two,

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guys that seems more like the. Archetype correct me again

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IF i. Don't and of the, two, like do you

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have a sense of which of them might be more

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ready and ultimately successful in that more CONVENTIONAL i guess leading.

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Speaker 2: Out they both kind of have the similar promise and

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they get there in different. Ways, Okay treori Is i'm

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going downhill a million miles an hour And i'm trying

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to finish with my right hand and if, Not i'm

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spraying the ball. Out and saraff is more Like i'm

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kind of, BIG i have a very tight. Handle i'm

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kind of dropping you off with the shoulder and elbow

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and spinning and eurostep, in but Ultimately i'm trying to

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get into the pain and you, know work my way

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out from. There so BOTH i think both kind of

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have that. PROMISE i Think Sir, raff who started in

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that preseason game and WHO i would bet to start

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on opening, night is more, Ready LIKE i don't think

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he can, shoot but he won't look, overwhelmed like he's

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big and you, know very professional. HANDLE i don't know

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WHO i, yeah IT'S i guess it's too early to

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say WHO i would put my chips in. On but

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those two really feel like the nets being, like, well

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one of them is probably gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Good what do you think about that, approach because that's

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that's kind of the other Like, macro like you have

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all these picks you could have, diversified they, Didn't and

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we've talked to you a little bit about why do

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you think there's a concern of there's just not enough

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to kind of go around in terms of size of

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role for all these guys to get a real, shot you, know,

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individually or is it, like, well if any of them's any,

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good they're going to show it, regardless you, Know, like

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is that kind of the?

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Speaker 2: BET i think the bet really Is we're not a

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small market. Team we don't have to, like you, know

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we're not The grizzlies where we have to hit on

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these picks as they have On Bane jackson And. JAW i,

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Know jah And jaron are like top, five but they

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did a great, job. Right the nets are, like, well

478
00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:49,640
we don't necessarily have to build like that because teams

479
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,839
and stars or stars will want to come here and

480
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,400
we have the assets to trade for them or attract

481
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,400
them free agency. Whatever so therefore we just need to

482
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:04,640
land like one of these these complimentary skill sets are

483
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,279
always like willing good decision. Makers and so if we

484
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,799
Stack yegor and Trey or and draft and, yeah well

485
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:14,559
you know one of the tour or one of them

486
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,359
will probably cannibalize the. Rest and you, know If ben

487
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,240
is really, good then where when Is treor gonna? Play

488
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,960
we'll probably you, know we have to cross that bridge

489
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,559
when we come to. It BUT i think that's kind

490
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:27,319
of the guiding, Philosophy, like, yeah it's super unlikely both

491
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:29,319
of them will be, good but if one of them

492
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,319
is we've accomplished our goals and we are now ready

493
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,319
to go star. HUNTING i think that IF i had to,

494
00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:37,839
guess is where they're coming, FROM i hope that answered.

495
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,839
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, no it's it's a shotgun. Approach and then

496
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,799
they have the luxury of being, like, well we missed with,

497
00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,319
four but we hit the one and that's our that's the.

498
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: Guy yeah and uh and you, know And wolf And, powell,

499
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:51,519
like don't you know they can certainly coexist with the

500
00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:55,880
other guys and if they're, good then you got maybe

501
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,599
two or three GOOD nba players in one, draft which

502
00:25:58,799 --> 00:25:59,720
is tough to complain.

503
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,279
Speaker 1: About how do you, think cause you Mentioned powell And, Wolf,

504
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,559
like how do you do you expect all five of

505
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:09,960
these guys when they're healthy to just be in the? Rotation,

506
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,839
NO i think like it's someone you're less confident that

507
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,880
will get actual playing time this year than.

508
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,319
Speaker 2: OTHERS i Think powell's gonna live in THE G, league

509
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,960
and they've been good about. That, LIKE i think that's

510
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,359
a good. Thing if you look at their draft picks

511
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,839
that are maybe turned into REAL nba, Players Claxton, sharp Camp,

512
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,839
thomas Even Noah clowney who might become. Something all spent

513
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,279
a lot of time in THE G league and it

514
00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:36,000
was good for. Them So powell's like a lot OF

515
00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:39,400
G league. RUN i think whatever of the guards isn't

516
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,720
playing a ton it's gonna be in THE G. League you,

517
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,519
Know Danny wolf is not going to play right away

518
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:50,359
ahead Of Nick, Claxton Dayron, Sharp Noah, Clowney Zia, Williams

519
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,799
Michael Porter. Junior you, know if you view those guys

520
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:56,839
as like fours so later in the, year, yes BUT

521
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,359
i think if you're tuning into The Nets halloween and you're,

522
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,359
like let's see the five, rookies you will be sorely.

523
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: Disappointed that's more of A march, thing, probably.

524
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah Hopefully. February but, Yes nets, fans the comments Of

525
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,839
nets daily will be obscene after they lose by twenty

526
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:22,519
to The grizzlies In november and like the rookies get

527
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:23,440
a total of like twenty.

528
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: Minutes, look there just needs to be a game where

529
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,279
they are the starting lineup, though like they all five

530
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:31,240
of them just need to be the. Starters that needs to.

531
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: Happen i'm gonna jump, ahead you know your question of

532
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:36,200
the funky lineup you want to SEE i don't think

533
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,440
there's been an easier answer in the history of the.

534
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 3: Show ye read them all out.

535
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,039
Speaker 2: There i'll think of something, else but that has to be.

536
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: It, well what Is Danny wolf to? You? POSITIONALLY i

537
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,039
know we don't get too bogged down by. Positions BUT

538
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,200
i don't look at. Him, okay he has the size of, like,

539
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,160
yeah you could play, CENTER i don't know if you

540
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,200
want him, To and then he, thinks like the way

541
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,119
he handles the ball works on. IT i guess he

542
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,640
could be a, wing BUT i don't necessarily look at

543
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,319
him and they know, like that's a guy who could

544
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:06,440
be a. WING i kind of. WORRY i don't know

545
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,920
if it's a, worry BUT i kind of, wonder is

546
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,960
this someone who ends up being like a pure four

547
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,319
almost maybe a little bit more dynamic because of what

548
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,839
he could do on the. Ball BUT i HAVE i

549
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,920
struggled to see the vision for him in THE. Nba

550
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:18,440
is What i'm.

551
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,039
Speaker 2: Getting YET i said this the other day and you

552
00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:23,480
would have loved, it So i'll repeat. It he's like

553
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,519
If Andre Andre blatch had as much passing flair as

554
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:30,920
he did mid range step back. Flair like he's like

555
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:34,599
If andre liked to, pass and my favorite net growing,

556
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,440
up he felt like he shot eighty percent from mid.

557
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:42,039
Range he is. HUGE i didn't really realize that he's

558
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:46,000
like legitimately seven feet tall two fifty like. Big you,

559
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,640
know he's twenty, one not nineteen like the other, guys

560
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,319
so a little. Bit so he's done, growing he's done,

561
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:58,039
growing done. Bulking but he's, huge and so he has more,

562
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,480
like oh he he's kind of a not a force

563
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:04,319
at the, rim but like you're not just going right

564
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,759
around him or through. Him and he showed some of

565
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,839
that In Summer, League like he had a game where

566
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:11,480
he had like two steals and four blocks AND i was, like,

567
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,640
oh that's. Cool so that is kind of the bonus

568
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:19,200
the cell on him playing the five quote, unquote because,

569
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:22,200
man if he's playing the four and he is to

570
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:24,960
like x out on the weak side or like play

571
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:28,920
between two, shooters that to me feels worse than if

572
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,480
he's just like all, right like stay near the, rim

573
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:36,440
try not to do too much. Wrong and then, yeah

574
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,000
he has a lot of like funky. Skills he can,

575
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:40,880
move he can, dribble he can pass on. Offense it's just, like,

576
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:44,359
dude you're kind of a career thirty percent three point

577
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,440
shooter and sixty five percent free throw.

578
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,359
Speaker 1: Shooter so, like what's what the free throw lines?

579
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,079
Speaker 2: Do so like can you actually? Shoot like you need

580
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:54,880
to actually shoot for this to. Work so he is Quite,

581
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,599
yeah he's so, long way, short long answer. SHORT i don't.

582
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,599
KNOW i have no idea what he's going to. Be

583
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,519
but hopefully all of these skills mesh into one valuable.

584
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: Player can we pin you down on which of the? Five,

585
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,160
like don't you don't have to say like this guy

586
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,640
will be the best player five?

587
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: Years, No, no you? Do who's?

588
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: Well, Okay dan, says you, Do so you? Do who's

589
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,880
most interesting to you right? Now like who's who's the

590
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,519
guy of the five that you're? Watching that's kind of

591
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:28,079
like there's there's some there there And i'm most interested

592
00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:28,640
to see what that.

593
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: Becomes it's Between yaegor And. Ben, YEAH i Think yegor

594
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:42,000
because it's just, like, man what are the limits on

595
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:46,960
a guy that can like really not dribble or explode

596
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:51,880
BY nba? Defenders how valuable can just the court, mapping

597
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,720
height and hopefully shooting Be like what are the upper

598
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:58,119
limits of? That, like you, know.

599
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: What's the comp, Right like who is the point, To,

600
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:03,839
like who is that guy that's really excelled with that?

601
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: MAKEUP i don't, KNOW i, MEAN i, mean that's WHY

602
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000
i keep going back To Joe.

603
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:11,519
Speaker 1: Ingles but, like, uh what If Kyle anderson could?

604
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: Shoot what If kyle Anders anderson could? Shoot is a good,

605
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,000
One but, like are they going to try to make?

606
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:20,880
Him is he gonna be on the? Ball like that's the.

607
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,519
Thing those guys were always pretty much big, wings. Right

608
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,519
yegor his whole life was here's the, ball high pick and,

609
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:32,160
roll we're up tempo pro style offense at B yu

610
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:34,519
were one of the best in the country because the

611
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:36,160
ball is always in your hands and you're whipping it.

612
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,039
Around SO I, i it's just. FASCINATING i don't, KNOW i.

613
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:42,680
Mean and you, know on top of like the fact

614
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,880
that they draft him, eighth The suns released their war

615
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,200
room video of them laughing at The nets for doing.

616
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: That somehouldn't be laughing at.

617
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: Anybody AND i Loved malowash AND i Love yegor. Too

618
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:02,000
he's like such a sweet nineteen year Old russian kid

619
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:05,480
who like drops these banger quotes about how basketball is

620
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,920
art and how he wants to play pretty like in

621
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,240
his second, language in a new, country going To Brighton,

622
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:14,440
beach eating bushed in The russian neighborhoods Of New. York

623
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,279
i'm all. In he seems like a cool.

624
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: DUDE i didn't know about those. Quotes he just won my.

625
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:19,400
Heart that's.

626
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah i'll read one to you.

627
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: Later the reaction to the nets picking, HIM i was

628
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,160
like surprised. By he was pretty high up on my

629
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,440
unofficial board when Like grant AND i were. TALKING i

630
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,039
think he's the. LIMITATIONS i totally get, there get any

631
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,319
of the paint, touches but someone who could decision make like.

632
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,279
Him if you believe in the, jumper there's no way

633
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,319
for him to be bad in my, eye right.

634
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,039
Speaker 2: RIGHT i, mean if you believe he can, shoot then

635
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:44,319
it changes his whole profile because it all of a

636
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:49,599
sudden he's an, efficient good passing, again tall like and

637
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,799
all of his statistic, things oh, well his box plus

638
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,039
minus against good comp his true. Shooting, well if you

639
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,440
think he's gonna, shoot then you can kind of throw

640
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,759
that out the. Window and the nets are unequip betting on.

641
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,240
That and then the ben part of it is just

642
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:07,920
like was he? Undersold is like a legitimate six' five,

643
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:12,559
six six like big professional, Ball handler like won't that

644
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,079
just always play and maybe he won't be the worst

645
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:18,599
shooter in. The league, So YEAH and i also is, just,

646
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,720
like well he's off to a, Good start like you

647
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,359
hear him about him, in camp he's starting. Like that

648
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:27,319
that's a pretty good start to. His career, so yeah

649
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,240
That's where i'm at with those. Two, GUYS okay.

650
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,559
Speaker 1: I was, gonna say what's? Gonna be So The cam

651
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Johnson And Michael porter junior transition is kind of a.

652
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,079
TWOFOLD question i think the first one is like what's

653
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:41,720
going to be the biggest difference for the nets offensively

654
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:44,599
Going From cam Johnson To Michael. Porter junior.

655
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: It Seems like mpj's talked about like playing through the.

656
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:54,359
HIGH posts I Think, cam johnson for all of his

657
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:59,000
lack of like, explosion burst like you really could run,

658
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:03,640
him around, dribble handoffs, pinned downs get him into like

659
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:07,799
pick and roll. Esque actions, you know where you're there

660
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,760
is a screen at the top of. The floor he

661
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,400
is coming off, of it whether it's a handoff or

662
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,719
an off, ball screen and he's. Like diagramming and he

663
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,400
got really really good at that or just at least

664
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,559
BETTER than i ever thought he. Would be and it

665
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:24,239
seems like they just maybe AREN'T sure mpj is gonna replicate,

666
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,159
the same like you really? Running around are you really?

667
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,159
Getting low you know off a. Ball screen you are

668
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,719
six' ten with, A bad back so maybe, Less of

669
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,239
that maybe that's more Of a, yegor jeman thing but

670
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,800
still just like an outlet that's gonna shoot a, lot

671
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,800
of threes which they want and generally provide somewhat of,

672
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,199
the same role even if like the specifics are going

673
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:50,440
to be.

674
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: A little different do you think they're gonna juice his

675
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,679
on ball touches because when you go back His, time

676
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,880
in denver like the, dribbles per touch the amount of

677
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,800
time he spends, off the ball his offensive possessions. Through

678
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,800
the roof and now he's on this TEAM to where

679
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:06,280
i don't know ANYONE who's watched mpj, and, thought like

680
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,760
yeah like that dude needs to create for himself. And

681
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,719
others more but we've never actually seen it. In high

682
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,280
doses and this is a, team in theory despite drafting

683
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:16,800
at least three guys who really want, to maybe four

684
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,239
we really want to operate on the ball would have

685
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,840
the license, to, BE like well i see what.

686
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: This, LOOKS like YEAH i think i think. THERE will

687
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,440
be i think there's a decent trade off here where

688
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,440
like they're gonna run him around a little bit, off

689
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,280
the ball, and you know he had like a designed

690
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,039
back door cut for a dunk the other, day in preseason, so,

691
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,800
it's like listen you do, That for us you. Rebound

692
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,280
your defense here are your unball touches as the highest

693
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,400
paid member. OF the team i think there is definitely

694
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,480
going to be. Some of that i'm interested to see. How.

695
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,199
THEY come like i don't think he'll be just handling high.

696
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:51,039
Pick and roll he again has talked about more out of,

697
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:56,280
the high, POST so yes i can't say that's the

698
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,519
part of The net season i'm looking forward. To the,

699
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:02,079
most but yes there will be more.

700
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 3: KIND of, PIVOTING i mean I Guess how jordi fernandez

701
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,159
CHOOSES to use mpj is gonna tie this question to,

702
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:14,679
the previous one but JUST broadly from, afar last season

703
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,639
The View was jordi fernandez did too good of a

704
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,519
job from the jump for what this team. Was going

705
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:23,519
for they won. TOO many games i think that does

706
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:25,440
a little bit of a disservice to some of the

707
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,599
talent on the roster.

708
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: That maybe was.

709
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,639
Speaker 3: A little underrated but what do you if you could

710
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:33,360
give us a glimpse into the sort, Of the why

711
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:35,199
like it's, easy, to say oh he, Did too well

712
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,559
like what kinds of things can You Attribute to jordi

713
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:43,159
fernandez as a head coach that led to more success?

714
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:46,199
Than was expected, and from there like what do you

715
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,199
think the core sort of principles are of his coaching

716
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:52,679
philosophy as as they'll now be applied to like to like.

717
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,760
THIS new roster I.

718
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,639
Speaker 2: Mean they i want to get back to the talent,

719
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,639
part OF that because i think it's an. Interesting organizational

720
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,840
question but they were just prepared with a game plan

721
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,960
a lot, of the time and, like you know you

722
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,199
Look at the, suns last year there's a, Game over There,

723
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,159
like the kings they're like kind of a new ish

724
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,719
team figuring, some stuff out and the nets come, in

725
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,280
with like this is, our game plan that's. What we're

726
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,280
doing and in the early part, of the year, like

727
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,679
You know like i'm thinking about. IT this year i

728
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,400
use this. The other day let's say They play the

729
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,239
magic who are. Way more talented, but you, know, it's

730
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,800
Like oh where's bin? Getting his, offense and like how

731
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,079
are we the? Two Man game the nets are going

732
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:32,559
to come in with a game plan and they're going,

733
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:34,719
to execute it and, it's like that can you know

734
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,039
that leads to some wins early. In the year so

735
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:41,039
it's that and they just, played really hard and they

736
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:43,400
played the most aggressive defense in the league in terms

737
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,159
of blitzing and. Trapping on screens and if you weren't

738
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:49,599
ready for That in a january Game Before the, all

739
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,440
star break like you were going to turn it over

740
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,320
twenty times and maybe not shoot so well from three

741
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,920
because you're not getting great looks and you're. A little

742
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,639
tired it's kind of a tongue, in, Cheek thing right

743
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:03,840
he got a lot of guys who are FIGHTING for

744
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,679
their nba careers, to play, hard big surprise. But he

745
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,920
did and they did always know what they were, Doing

746
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:18,280
on offense, like you know they had very good hits

747
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,800
and reads out of like high, pick and roll. Dribble

748
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,960
handoff game right if you get trapped, here going there

749
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,199
we're forty, five cutting here we're cutting on. The BASELINE

750
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:31,159
here and i think their just ability to consistently do

751
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,199
that led to a few more wins, than you know

752
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,320
the talent, would have suggested especially a little later.

753
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,559
Speaker 3: IN the year i guess that leads into the roster

754
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:49,239
this year having like this, this youth infusion but in

755
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,679
which you might like into guys PLAYING for. Their nba

756
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,559
career not quite, the same thing but it's like guys

757
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,880
that are gonna be motivated to. Get after it there's

758
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,199
also this contingent, of older, GUYS you know, Mpg Being

759
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:03,400
One terrence Man haywood high smith. WHEN he's healthy i

760
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,679
Guess You throw nick, claxon in there and then there's

761
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,400
kind of an in between group players at different stages.

762
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,159
Of their careers do you have a, sense of like

763
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:17,159
because It Seems like jordi frnana's team is tactically prepared,

764
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:19,280
and plays hard do you have a sense of how

765
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,000
he might be able to manage what could be like

766
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:26,800
some some personalities and some agendas and like not everybody

767
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,639
wants the same thing on this roster necessarily because there

768
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:31,199
are different points. Of their careers do you have a,

769
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,440
SENSE of like i guess it's his, like interpersonal stuff

770
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,320
like because there's just gonna it's gonna be a bigger

771
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,480
challenge in some respects this. Year, THAN last.

772
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:40,679
Speaker 2: Yeah i think it's just your two of a guy

773
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,760
that is really going to push you and demand. That

774
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,039
you sacrifice and if you look, at the roster there's

775
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:48,239
like all fifteen guys on this team, probably, ARE like

776
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,440
WELL i think i have a. Case, For minutes YEAH,

777
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,960
i'm A vet or i'm a, high draft pick LIKE

778
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,880
why shouldn't? I be playing and it was probably easier

779
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,559
to balance, That last year, and you know we'll. See.

780
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:03,480
This year nothing there's no indication that he won't. Be

781
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,960
able to, BUT you know, i think guys especially if

782
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,679
you look at the kind of, guys they, Have You,

783
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:13,559
Know Zire, williams kobe buffkin like reclamation projects or lower

784
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,400
draft picks trying to make the JUMP into, the nba

785
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:21,320
relevancy they appreciate getting coached or they're not going, to

786
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,079
react poorly like getting coached real hard and getting asked

787
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:28,239
to play a really aggressive style of defense all game

788
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,960
if that's what they have to DO for. Their NBA

789
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:32,760
careers so i think the more interesting question will be

790
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,599
if they get, really good eventually is he still going

791
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:38,639
to be able to? Push THESE buttons but i think

792
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:43,119
this year He, should be Okay Even If michael porter

793
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,559
Junior and camp thomas are like not the greatest. Most,

794
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:48,800
active DEFENDERS well and.

795
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,199
Speaker 1: I was gonna that was gonna be my, next question

796
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,559
too because you mentioned all the aggressive defense, that they

797
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:55,000
played they still, Have the personnel like even look at

798
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,119
something the inbound youngsters coming in when you're talking about

799
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,719
yaeg or when you're Even, Talking, about saraf like do

800
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,960
you think that those guys have the ability to play

801
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,559
not just, that aggressive style but consistently play that AGGRESSIVE

802
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:09,159
style for x amount of? Minutes, PER game yeah.

803
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: I think, so i mean as long, as THEY'RE trying

804
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,239
and i, think they will like it might, Not BE

805
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,199
perfect like i will Always Be a. Nick claxton believer

806
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,320
he says. His DAC's, good you know let's say. He's about.

807
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,800
It this, year you know you get forty Eight minutes Of.

808
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,840
Clax and dayron that's like a real center rotation. In

809
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,480
The league day ron's gotten. So much better he can.

810
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,360
Move his feet so you got these big centers that

811
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,280
are kind of just intimidating at the. Point of Attack

812
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,360
you Got Zaire And, michael porter junior and you know

813
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,800
they're not, the greatest defenders but they're, also pretty, long

814
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,000
pretty Big So. Is noah clowney like there is enough

815
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:48,079
INSULATION to where i do want to see them. Get

816
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:51,239
After it and i'm sure the CONDITIONING and guarding nba

817
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,280
guards is, gonna BE tough but i don't suspect that

818
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,079
they won't be able to at least run out this

819
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:04,440
game plan and. See what, Happens, YOU mentioned yeah i.

820
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 3: Was good ahead you can. Ask the question. I'm, both interested.

821
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: Please this is year three, of this.

822
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:11,639
Speaker 1: Right where does?

823
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 2: He?

824
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,079
Speaker 1: Fit in now but now it's even like more opaque

825
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:15,840
than ever is where does he fit into like this

826
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,079
team's overall larger vision.

827
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,039
Speaker 2: Because you can't trade him because he makes twenty five

828
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,840
million dollars a year and it's like probably a negative

829
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,719
asset as viewed. By other teams and THEN that's why i, Tell.

830
00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: You something lucas all the other.

831
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,679
Speaker 2: Teams are wrong THEY could not i could not agree. With,

832
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,599
You more yeah nick was THE guy when i actually

833
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:38,679
started like trying to cover and like. Really watch basketball

834
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,840
That was, JUST i'm like i think. This guy's good

835
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:43,280
and then he had that year, In twenty Three so

836
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,440
now i'm like forever just indebted to him and like.

837
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,440
My favorite player but he makes twenty five million, dollars

838
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,280
a year then nets have no reason to dump an

839
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,480
asset and like, attach, A pick right so that's. Not

840
00:42:56,559 --> 00:43:00,639
gonna happen but, it's also like, you were real really

841
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:02,800
good at the age. Of twenty three you were Like

842
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:05,519
Ninth in defensive Player of. THE year voting i thought

843
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:07,320
you could. Have been higher you led the league and,

844
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,239
field goal percentage a legitimately great finisher, around the rim

845
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:15,840
off drives Like. POSTING up smalls i thought you were

846
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,800
a top fifty to sixty player in the league that

847
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,119
year and you. Were twenty three there's no. Way that's

848
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:24,360
gone there's no way that's. Just GONE forever and i

849
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,239
know that he is a leaner guy and the shift

850
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,360
to like double big lineups and offensive rebounding has kind

851
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,960
of hurt. Him A little and, i'm, okay saying okay

852
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,519
that'll dim his, Impact a little but somewhere that's inside

853
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:39,599
of you and twenty nine other teams are must have one,

854
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,599
eye on that and so you know you have the,

855
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:45,119
contract for now but at some point we have to.

856
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,519
See THAT again and i don't know what that looks

857
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,679
like on this team where they are trying to maximize

858
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:58,440
their pick and you are maybe not the most clean

859
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,400
fit into their. Long TERM plan so i. Just don't

860
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,400
know but also if you come out and you are

861
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,199
playing really well, again, and motivated like what are the?

862
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,039
Net's gonna do like he probably needs to do it

863
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,559
for a whole year to reclaim. The trade value you can't.

864
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,840
Just trade him so is he gonna mess? Up the

865
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,440
tank or is he gonna keep declining from his age,

866
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,159
twenty THREE season which i just refuse to believe will be?

867
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,199
His career arc.

868
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:27,039
Speaker 1: So do You Get the ben simmons arc? At?

869
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 3: That, point oh god don't. Invoke. That name uh there

870
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,719
are versions of this team that could Better set up

871
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,440
claxton to be, like the best, like, More successful right

872
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:42,000
like because if in theory, he's out there if you

873
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:43,480
had to put him in one bucket, or the other

874
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:47,199
he's a, Dependent offensive player like he's gonna benefit more

875
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:49,719
from setups than being like. A self starter if you're

876
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,719
playing with a bunch, of rookie playmakers like that's as

877
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,840
good as they may be for, Their experience level like

878
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,360
that's not. Ideal for him do you think there will

879
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,639
be situations This year where claxton is out there with

880
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,480
like what passes for the veteran core, of this team

881
00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:06,400
and like suddenly he looks like his twenty three. Year

882
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,880
old self do the nets just not even want to

883
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,559
mess around with competent like? The experienced lineups?

884
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: Out of that it all comes back to that question

885
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,519
for everybody. On This team right, LIKE last year i

886
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:22,000
would have told you you can't start this lineup on

887
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:25,440
opening Night they Had, Dennis shrewder Camp, Thomas cam Johnson

888
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,880
Dorian and nick claxton and They brought Day ron and cyr.

889
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,400
Off the, bench i'm like you're not winning, a playoff

890
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,559
series but you're also not. Tanking you guys. That's too

891
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,440
good and what? Do you know they were nine and

892
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:40,280
ten and that's set up, the whole season and so

893
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:43,159
this year they the. Messaging hasn't changed it's all we.

894
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,719
Want to compete we're running out. The best. GUYS you

895
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,639
know i don't think their lineup is as good as,

896
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,679
that right now but. It's not bad and If, you

897
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,480
get nick. It's not atrocious and If You get nick

898
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,800
Claxton Playing like, nick claxton again like he's gonna STEAL

899
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,639
you some, I don't know. I don't know it just

900
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:03,880
all comes, back, to that like is this organ what

901
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,519
is this organization prepared to? Do this year because you

902
00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:09,280
got one pick this year and, it's your own you

903
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,960
don't have FIVE point being i Wouldn't Be surprised nick,

904
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,480
claxon either way like they. Are ROOKIE guards but i

905
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:18,639
do think this will be a better passing. Team either

906
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:23,840
way and it's, Really, on him, like you. Know his

907
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,039
back he had an. Epidural last year there were times

908
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,239
last year he wasn't even touching like the top. Of

909
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,559
the square he just didn't. Look the same so, if

910
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:37,320
that's back he can only. BE so bad. I don't

911
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,920
know it's that that last question is really the thing

912
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,360
that is most intriguing to me about this team and

913
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,159
will determine the.

914
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 3: MOST another player i think that probably undercovered just because

915
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,920
he has virtually zero track record for how long he's been.

916
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,559
In The League is kobe bufkin the type of guy

917
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,280
We would? A dan favorite i'll just say, it for

918
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,880
him but, he's hell yeah the type of guy That

919
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,320
we ALWAYS dan and, i, talk like oh perfect, Second

920
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,599
draft candidate like why wouldn't you take a crack at

921
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:07,519
this guy if you're a team in? The nets position, because,

922
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:11,039
who knows right, especially with him is he someone that

923
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,039
is maybe in the way of some. Of these Rookies

924
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,960
will the nets even allow that to? Be the circumstance

925
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:18,199
and then like they.

926
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: Gave up a whole one hundred, and, ten thousand.

927
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,519
Speaker 3: Right they spent they SPENT nine than i, Have, this

928
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:27,039
guy like is he a piece of this or is

929
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,280
it just a pure flyer that like he'll have to

930
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,000
show something incredible to. Crack this, rotation you.

931
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: Know his his rookie contract Extension date is, October THIRTY first,

932
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:42,840
so i, mean you know it was really truly the

933
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,440
cheapest way to get to, the SALARY floor and i

934
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,840
think that was the primary motivation trade.

935
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: But reflect well on him. As a player.

936
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: But, but if, we're you know cards, on the table

937
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:58,559
who's the best guard on this? Team right now it's.

938
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,920
It's it's him. It's obviously Him so if jordi is

939
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:06,119
being for real Not, Counting camp Thomas so if jordie's

940
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,000
for real, about oh well you have, to earn it

941
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,159
and like the best. Players will play it's like We

942
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:13,280
should see kobe and this is Kind of the nets

943
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,800
should be doing this. Second DRAFT stuff so i he needs.

944
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,119
TO show something i want him. TO show, something, i

945
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,519
think however they view their cap table will inform if

946
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,079
they pick up that option more so. Than HIS play

947
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,239
but i don't Know if he's they're gonna let him get,

948
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,800
in the way but they're certainly going to give. Him an.

949
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,159
OPPORTUNITY you know i don't view so much overlap as

950
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,599
like of him and the plan. For, THE rookies again

951
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:41,519
i think there's gonna be A Lot of g league play,

952
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:43,840
in their future in. Their immediate future.

953
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: Do you have any of the other like non core players,

954
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,119
on the roster whether It's Like a noah clowney or

955
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:51,840
who are on the ROSTER for now, i should Say

956
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,360
Or a jalen WILSON or As i or williams that

957
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,960
you find especially intriguing as the nets go forward with

958
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,480
this season. AND also Beyond i think noah's the.

959
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 2: MOST intriguing, one i mean it Would have been, dayron

960
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,800
LAST year but i think the day run arc has kind, Of, Been,

961
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,360
cemented like wow this guy turned himself into like a.

962
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,599
Valuable backup big he might actually just BE a. Good

963
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:18,159
nba player noah is interesting because a nobody's watched, him

964
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:21,079
at all because Why would you he's, like you know

965
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,880
the nets were not super, interesting last year but. His

966
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,880
rookie year it started, in summer league he. Looked absolutely

967
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,519
unplayable he gets better by the WEEK In the g league,

968
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:35,280
his rookie year and he kind of lights the nets

969
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,199
on fire in. The last month In Like meaningless, MARCH

970
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,119
april basketball i said this, the other day but just

971
00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:44,239
super unethical stat queries on on stat head of like

972
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,239
teenagers to record multiple threes and blocks. In, A game

973
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,800
HIM jaron and i.

974
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 3: Cited Some irrational noah clowney stats and like breakout. Picks

975
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,760
last year at like this, TIME last year, i was

976
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:56,480
like this is this is.

977
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:00,639
Speaker 2: Clearly the guy absolute crime on the on the Stat

978
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,280
Queries was noah clowney's kind. Of rookie season and then

979
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,280
last year he starts pretty decently and he sprains his,

980
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,840
ankle four times and every time he comes back he,

981
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,840
sprains it again and like the three point shooting's. Kind

982
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,480
of down he's so skinny and can't really throw, his

983
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,719
weight around and you know he can't do anything once

984
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,800
he breaks the paint or once he gets run. Off

985
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:29,639
the line but classic training, camp weight. Watchers he's buff

986
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:33,079
everyone's talking about how. Big he, looks you know he

987
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:38,400
looks like a professional shooter now and his role is kind.

988
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,920
Of more defined they've accepted that he just doesn't have

989
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,159
the juice to be like a, full time five so he's.

990
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:47,239
A big wing like hopefully it's Doing something Like santi

991
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,360
al dama stuff, from the, corners you, know less, talent

992
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,599
less flair but probably, better, On defense hopefully like he

993
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,800
has pretty, Great defensive instincts so that could. Be A

994
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,920
Player like i'm i'm if it's gonna. Happened for him

995
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,519
he's got to show, something THIS season but i really think,

996
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:05,079
It COULD happen so i am.

997
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: INTRIGUED by him i this is just interjecting on, A

998
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:11,239
tangent HERE but do i MENTIONED this when i Was

999
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,360
Doing the Utah. Jazz look ahead do We Feel like muscle?

1000
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,559
WATCH has changed I feel like i've seen more about,

1001
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:20,039
players slimming down where it's BEEN more Like. Glp One watch.

1002
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,599
Speaker 2: The. Nets had Both they had dayron Getting slimmer and.

1003
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:27,400
NOAH getting bigger i think we are in, a new

1004
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:33,239
progressive accepting era of all sorts, of BODY transformations and

1005
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,719
i love that. FOR the league i.

1006
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:37,199
Speaker 1: Would, love that Too Except the luka danch's discourse makes,

1007
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,320
me think otherwise where it's like he needed to get

1008
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,960
abs for people to think that he MIGHT be an mvp.

1009
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:43,880
Candidate or something that is.

1010
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,199
Speaker 2: A good point we're insulated over here.

1011
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: IN nets world i, was gonna say unless you have

1012
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,239
any other players you, want to discuss are you ready

1013
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,559
to enter the cookie cutter portion? Of the podcast.

1014
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: Derek Needs to do dereek whitead needs to. Do something

1015
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:05,880
soon it's, getting late. EARLY that's all i.

1016
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: What do you imagine, him doing ideally like what what's

1017
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,599
the role that he would need to fill just? SAVE

1018
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:14,000
his CAREER i guess i don't know if.

1019
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,639
Speaker 2: That's, too harsh no it's not just continuing to, like

1020
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:20,280
make threes but also showing that HE'S like an. Nba

1021
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,599
level athlete.

1022
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: Just so wild to think that's a. Concern about him.

1023
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:30,559
Speaker 2: Wild and like something, inside the arc like with a

1024
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,960
little bit of, a tighter HANDLE just something. I need

1025
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,400
it he's like THE NICEST guy i i really. Wanted for,

1026
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,599
him but yeah that's, It all.

1027
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: Right so we will go into the lightning Round slash

1028
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,840
cookie cutter portion. Of the podcast what you look at this, Roster,

1029
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,960
right now lucas what aside from saying they need like

1030
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,679
a centerpiece. Of, the future like what is this team's

1031
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,440
single biggest need as we, Sit here today.

1032
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 2: So probably a dribble. Pass shoot guy they have a

1033
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,159
lot of two of the three or one of, the

1034
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:08,679
three players but a guy, that can dribble. Pass and shoot.

1035
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: Is there anything about, this, team that like we all

1036
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:18,519
understand sort of what the basic narrative of the twenty

1037
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:21,199
five TO twenty, Six nets is but is there something whether,

1038
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,360
it's a player something that you think this team will,

1039
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,360
be good at, really bad at that's under discussed under

1040
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,559
the radar that like for, a national audience maybe we

1041
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:31,920
need to pay more. ATTENTION to it.

1042
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 2: I think they're a genuinely, Interesting philosophical team like they

1043
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,599
are betting on all out aggression on defense being the

1044
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:46,559
most well conditioned team. In the league, everyone says that,

1045
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,239
And you know I'M sure the nets are saying it,

1046
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,920
To An extent but jordi has become kind of Renowned

1047
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,599
for how cardio focused his, training camps are and last

1048
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:59,400
year they were often the more well conditioned team when.

1049
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,480
They played opponents so it's that a bet on that

1050
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:06,480
and a bet on just consistent decision, making and passing

1051
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,559
and this is like year one of this really maybe.

1052
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:11,840
Maybe YEAR two so i don't think you'll get the

1053
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,079
full fruits of watching this pretty bad, team this year

1054
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:19,280
but they are a genuinely interesting project in, Terms of

1055
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,039
that like how far can those two? Things take you being,

1056
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:25,760
a well conditioned aggressive defense and being a point five second.

1057
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,239
Team ON offense.

1058
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,559
Speaker 1: If i were, to Ask you which, i'm ABOUT to

1059
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,480
if i were, to Force you which, i'm about to

1060
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,239
to build a ten man rotation, for this team who

1061
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,239
are the ten guys that you're? Putting in it because

1062
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,559
you know why this is, interesting for them they've become

1063
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:42,840
A little like wizards y to where it's like they

1064
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,079
just have a. Bunch of guys we don't know who's. The,

1065
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:47,480
guy yet yeah and even less So, than the wizards

1066
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,360
but they just have, like right now like they're probably

1067
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,760
gonna cut someone who needs to or waves someone who

1068
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,199
needs to BELONGS in the nba or at least is.

1069
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,519
Worth a look so who are the ten guys you're?

1070
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: Playing right now is this like to win in a?

1071
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,519
Basketball game tomorrow.

1072
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 3: That's the question like that's a, very, Different answer right

1073
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,119
like you could, HAVE you know i were, completely, DIFFERENT looks.

1074
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: Right i, Would, say, no LIKE so if i let's

1075
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,760
free it this way, for the nets who do you

1076
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,119
think and who do you think ends up being the

1077
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:19,320
ten most played players This? Season, by brooklyn.

1078
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: Okay let, me let me let me get let me

1079
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,119
get their roster in. FRONT OF me i i this

1080
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:26,440
IS a practice i Developed During the, ben SIMMONS days

1081
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,280
when i would just straight up forget he was. On

1082
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,000
the ROSTER so now i have to look at the

1083
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:35,559
roster LISTED out before. I, DO this Ever I, Think,

1084
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:40,239
CAM thomas yeah i. Was a, ten you know week

1085
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,840
have questions about his role, in his, Minutes But, Yeah Cam,

1086
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:50,880
Thomas Zia, Williams Dayron. Sharp knick claxton, That's four. Ye

1087
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,519
George j Jeg OR and ben i think, Five To

1088
00:55:55,519 --> 00:56:06,119
Six michael, Porter Junior seven, Noah Clowney eight. Terrence MAN

1089
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:13,519
nine though i don't feel, great About it And I'm

1090
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,880
between Danny Wolf. And tyrese martin.

1091
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 3: Who do you think, starting opening night who's The first? Unit?

1092
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:22,159
DAY one.

1093
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:29,119
Speaker 2: Yeah i Would Say probably Ben saraff because jegor has

1094
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:31,440
had this planter fascion issue in his foot and like

1095
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,719
he's not even, doing contact yet so even, IF he's

1096
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:38,239
ready i don't think He'll Be, Starting Ben, Sarraf Cam Thomas,

1097
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,880
Michael Porter, Junior Nick, claxton terrence, man who's like.

1098
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: Man's just here he's perfect for how they.

1099
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:51,159
Speaker 2: Want to defend he's here to give really good quotes

1100
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:54,480
About how downtown brooklyn has been gentrified since he. Grew

1101
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:56,880
up there and so it's like it's always a good

1102
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,719
it's a good lead for. Every b writer, WHEN he's

1103
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,239
like i remember When this like modell when it Was

1104
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,639
a model's, we're all.

1105
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:10,199
Speaker 3: Like that's can undergo a similar, transformation and, sorry all.

1106
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:15,079
Speaker 2: Right well don't don't do. Too much away.

1107
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,039
Speaker 3: What about, a closing lineup like they're trying to win,

1108
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:21,960
this game tonight who's on the floor of the last

1109
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,800
five minutes. Assuming it's, CLOSE.

1110
00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:26,559
Speaker 2: Oh god i did this. THE other day i actually

1111
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:29,880
think it's you have to get just the adults and

1112
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,800
the defense. In THE room so i Actually Think, IT'S

1113
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:43,199
Cam thomas Mpj, Heywood High smith Zia Williams, And nick

1114
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:47,320
Claxton Like maybe Terrence man over heywood if, like you

1115
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,239
know whoever's like shooting the ball better that night. Type

1116
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,440
of thing, but old.

1117
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: Still it's Ridiculous they Got heywood high smith while getting

1118
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,800
a second unless he's just completely cooked, from that nothing

1119
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,760
but it's said he's gonna be ready for. THE regular

1120
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,880
season i don't know. What the heat did he not

1121
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,320
know they happen until the end of the year to

1122
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,119
get out. Of the TAX did someone? I tell him I'M.

1123
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: Still literally, i don't know literally, not the point but they.

1124
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 3: Feel free to break news now that he's he's like

1125
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:12,880
actually thirty, five years old and it's just been a,

1126
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,039
ruse this well It's Like a. Buddy healed situation didn't we.

1127
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: Have a didn't We Have a jay huff birthday malfeasan

1128
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,880
situation this year on, TOUR to remember.

1129
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: I don't know i Always Point to buddy healed as like, the,

1130
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,239
most like, yeah of, course, he's.

1131
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,679
Speaker 2: Like yeah we did have we Had. A J huff

1132
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:32,920
the nba account reported his like they were like wishing

1133
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,920
a Happy Birthday to jay, Huff this year happy, twenty

1134
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,840
seventh birthday but, like last year they had posted happy,

1135
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,519
twenty fifth birthday so they were off by a, year

1136
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:48,280
and ye. Big, enough deal yeah? Who covers it he

1137
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,559
is he. Is twenty eight so we had a minor

1138
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:52,719
a minor birthday.

1139
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:56,199
Speaker 1: SNAPPER this year i Mean did the pacers try to

1140
00:58:56,239 --> 00:58:58,440
rescind the? Trade after that that's the.

1141
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: GROUNDS for it i Mean maybe.

1142
00:59:02,119 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: So lucas you would, tease this before but what would

1143
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,719
be a? Weird on lineup you Want To see jordi fernandez?

1144
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:08,920
Try this, year all.

1145
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: Right aside from, the five rookies because that's just such

1146
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,320
an easy compound answer.

1147
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,719
Speaker 1: That's gonna happen if it doesn't do does? He get Fired,

1148
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:23,440
It's like april i'll be held permitting obviously that would

1149
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,920
be the one thing, that would, suck is that oh

1150
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,679
if one of these guys is, just always injured.

1151
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:29,159
Speaker 2: That would blow it was a very nets thing to

1152
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,480
have happened where we're at media day and we as

1153
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:34,599
Someone asked About Yegor and sean marx is in the, middle, of,

1154
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:36,599
like oh well we just love him as a person

1155
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:39,400
and the hard working and. The basketball intellect and, by

1156
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,760
the way he tore his planter fascia Right, after summer

1157
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,760
league so he's going to be out. Through the preseason

1158
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:44,079
that's what.

1159
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: It was like it days become too is, like these.

1160
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:49,519
Injuries these, surgeries, IT'S like yeah.

1161
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:53,559
Speaker 2: I was like, what that's yeah, it was, uh but

1162
00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:57,360
yeah it has at least They're. NOT the sixers i

1163
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,440
guess that. Was, Really depressing.

1164
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:03,559
Speaker 1: Hey joelle and b didn't fall through. THE practice floor

1165
01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:06,079
i call that an absolute victory for phild and.

1166
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: They they're bringing back the best. Jerseys in basketball so

1167
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,519
with the they're bringing back the black two thousand. And,

1168
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:13,840
one retros, oh That's Right.

1169
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,199
Speaker 3: THE iver center i. MADE a joke, I was like

1170
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:18,800
i Could Just. See, matt geiger now THAT'S that's who

1171
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:19,719
i always associate.

1172
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,039
Speaker 2: With those jerseys this Is Just the cooper flag opening

1173
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,239
a pack of basketball cards from the year he was

1174
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:28,480
born and Not Knowing who eric snow. Was, Hurt, me

1175
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:30,960
what yeah you Didn't Know who.

1176
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:33,599
Speaker 3: ERIC snow was I Can see eric snow making twelve

1177
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:37,000
footers on the. Baseline right now He Knew who antoine

1178
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:37,800
walker Was and.

1179
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: Not rashad MCCANTZ.

1180
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,559
Speaker 1: So that's ok if we needed any More Evidence that

1181
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:44,159
cooper flag is going to, be a. Bust.

1182
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: That's it NOW the five, i would say is like

1183
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:54,159
probably beyond the it has to include some. OF the rookies,

1184
01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:57,079
I would Say YEGOR and nolan i have to. BE

1185
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:04,159
in This I think damn wolf and then like, two

1186
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:10,119
real Wings Probably Like michael porter Junior And maybe cam thomas.

1187
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:14,039
As just man that's like a kind, of a, real

1188
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:17,800
you know a theoretically real lineup that is super offensively

1189
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,280
juiced and could just actually be. Fun to Watch To,

1190
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:26,599
Get Nolan, YEGOR camp Thomas Mpj and danny wolf kind

1191
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:30,199
of Positionally viable if yegor is like, GUARDING a, three

1192
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,079
i mean, not defensively good but viable and like you actually,

1193
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:36,880
get to, see all right If You're playing danny wolf

1194
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,159
and you're playing your two top guards and you're you

1195
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:41,800
say you're gonna, Play them together let's throw them out

1196
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,679
there and see if they can really score and like

1197
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,400
lead an offense with real talent on The Floor in

1198
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,840
Camp Thomas And. Michael porter junior THAT'S a lineup I

1199
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,079
would say i would. LIKE to see.

1200
01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: I favor it i Want to see yegor. Plus all

1201
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:59,119
bigs so let's get let's Get claxed In Clowney. Day,

1202
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,719
danny wolf uh and then So we have jagor and then,

1203
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,679
Who's the other like do We throw day? Ron in

1204
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:10,079
there that seems. A Little Up michael porter. Junior's, pretty, Qualify, yeah.

1205
01:02:09,199 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah god there was a possession in the PRESEASON game

1206
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,599
Where Mpj and cam thomas were on the weak side

1207
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,679
and they were like they were exing out like the

1208
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:21,440
whole half and through the skit pass and it was

1209
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:27,280
they just were like walking around and escorting whoever caught

1210
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,199
it to THE rim and, i was, Like oh man

1211
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,119
i'm ready to see. THIS this year mpj was not

1212
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,079
exactly diving on the. Floor last night.

1213
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,559
Speaker 3: The, crazy thing is you remember the it, wasn't a

1214
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:41,679
narrative it was a real thing with how like his

1215
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,559
shoulder was, a real issue like he was hurt and.

1216
01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:46,599
Speaker 2: He said that it was, like he said look how tough.

1217
01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 3: This guy is he's. Getting after it and then then

1218
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,159
you see. Efforts like, that, it's like well? Which is

1219
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:51,760
IT the.

1220
01:02:53,519 --> 01:02:55,719
Speaker 1: Way i ended it during like the twenty twenty three

1221
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,280
title push was like that was it's?

1222
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:57,599
Speaker 3: In, there.

1223
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: Real yeah good.

1224
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:06,199
Speaker 3: Before we force you to stake your, reputation on predictions

1225
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,400
which this will be on. The permanent record anything else

1226
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,400
we haven't touched On, about the nets any aspect of

1227
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,519
them that you think this is kind of like the under,

1228
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:18,039
The radar question but, just like that you've the thoughts

1229
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:20,320
you've had about them that maybe aren't out there, For

1230
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,000
wider consumption like just what warrants discussion about the nets

1231
01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:26,639
this year that we, HAVEN'T hit nothing.

1232
01:03:26,679 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: I haven't Said i think i'll just keep coming back

1233
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,280
to like this feels like the start of a, mad

1234
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:38,559
scientist's experiment and whether you can really build a team

1235
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:43,239
again in a big market just sheer flexibility and cap

1236
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:48,719
space and assets, and just optionality and like down to

1237
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,559
the way they play, on the, court on offense down to,

1238
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:56,079
their draft strategy down to like the. Wider roster construction

1239
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,039
they could be. A sleeping giant they could fall on

1240
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:04,079
their face and deserve everyone laughing at them and totally

1241
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:08,159
have a new front office. In TWO years and i

1242
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:11,960
genuinely don't know which way. It's gonna, go i've, been

1243
01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:14,559
you know SOMETIMES some days I wake up i feel

1244
01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:17,400
like A homer because i'm genuinely interested in and Then

1245
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:22,440
other times i'm excommunicated from The facility because i'm. Trashing

1246
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,440
their draft, that DIDN'T happen but i feel like it.

1247
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,599
WAS going to, i was, Like oh damn i'm really Going.

1248
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:28,639
In on Yegor and.

1249
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:31,239
Speaker 1: Then i'm not wondering if, it did happen they might

1250
01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:33,920
have radicalized you like to really buy. Into their draft, it,

1251
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:38,039
seems like yeah back, of the. Building, re educating.

1252
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,519
Speaker 2: Yeah they put me through a. RE education camp i

1253
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:45,800
Was like Clockwork. ORANGE watching, yegor i Think, LIKE floor.

1254
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,039
Speaker 3: Dan i we've talked about it, A million times Like

1255
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:51,960
when the grizzlies were playing without screens on, OFFENSE last

1256
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:53,599
year i just like couldn't shut. Up about it for,

1257
01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:56,159
The same REASON it's like i don't care. IF it

1258
01:04:56,239 --> 01:04:58,599
works i just love that someone's trying. THIS weird thing.

1259
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:00,960
I feel exactly i. THINK you're right i think that

1260
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:05,119
is like the true like it's going to carry through

1261
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:07,239
as the STORY of. This net season it's just like,

1262
01:05:07,519 --> 01:05:10,079
this is why like no. One's doing this, it might

1263
01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:11,960
work and, if it does how? Cool is that and,

1264
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,599
if it doesn't still kind of like. Credit, FOR trying

1265
01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:17,320
YEAH i know i, In MY opinion so i think

1266
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,800
they'll be, interesting at, least all, right they win. Get the, Predictions.

1267
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,519
Speaker 1: Let's go lucas how many games do you? Have THEM

1268
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:27,360
winning and i think the other side of that is

1269
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,880
how many Teams In the eastern conference do you think

1270
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:30,679
they'll be better?

1271
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:31,079
Speaker 2: Than this?

1272
01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: YEAR if any.

1273
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: I have them at, twenty three wins which is, Again

1274
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:45,760
over there. Vegas over under it really just comes down

1275
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,440
to how aggressive the front office wants to be and

1276
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:53,159
chasing this draft pick because they stumbled over. Themselves LAST

1277
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:55,639
year and i think you can justify, it, by saying

1278
01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:59,000
well we have five picks and it's about. Setting, the,

1279
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,840
culture okay great but like this year, is the year

1280
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,119
so let's see it is, THAT being said i do

1281
01:06:07,159 --> 01:06:09,960
think they're. GONNA play HARD i Think i trust jordie

1282
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,199
to get a lot, out of Guys and so i'll

1283
01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:16,840
go with. Twenty three wins is there a second part? Of,

1284
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:21,719
that Question? Oh the east their competition is Really what

1285
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,079
the Wizards, and THE hornets.

1286
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: And i think it might Only, be, the Wizards.

1287
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, The hornet yeah and maybe if one team has

1288
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,760
a random, season from hell Like if the celtics.

1289
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 3: Could be, down there? Again who Knows like, THIS celtics, sixers.

1290
01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: I ask yeah I can't the celtics just there are

1291
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,320
a lot of, people, ARE like yeah i think they're

1292
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,159
gonna be fighting for the sixth seed or they'll certainly

1293
01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:43,159
be in. PLAY in territoried i feelk they've telegraphed that

1294
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,199
they actively do not want, that to Happen and so

1295
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:47,519
i've just like kind of put a Pit in the

1296
01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:50,400
celtics as that might be the team that shocks everybody

1297
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,840
by being deliberately way worse than everybody seems.

1298
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,199
Speaker 2: To think they're all it Takes Is One jalen brown

1299
01:06:56,159 --> 01:07:00,280
draymond's twenty twenty One season where draymond like gets an in, and,

1300
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:01,320
He's like actually i'm out for.

1301
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:01,559
Speaker 1: The whole.

1302
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 2: Year. I'M good yeah i think there will be the

1303
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,760
second worst Team, in the East, likely the wizards. MAYBE

1304
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,800
someone ELSE i just, i don't. KNOW you know i

1305
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,239
did say the FUNNIEST and most nets outcome last year

1306
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:18,480
would be if their pick was One behind THE suns

1307
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,599
and i. ALMOST got there i think the funniest outcome

1308
01:07:21,719 --> 01:07:24,119
this year would be the worst record in the league and.

1309
01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:25,679
Falling to fifth oh?

1310
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:31,159
Speaker 1: Is that funny is? That really funny that dark Dark.

1311
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: In a shakespearean. SORT of way i guess.

1312
01:07:35,239 --> 01:07:38,079
Speaker 3: Before we, let you GO one other nets prediction can be.

1313
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:42,199
Anything You want.

1314
01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: Jag or makes second team ALL a rookie.

1315
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: I could, see i mean they better get an all

1316
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,360
rookie guy with drafted five of them in, the.

1317
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 3: First round and the percentage of the first round do

1318
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,039
they have? In play better they do have.

1319
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,039
Speaker 2: Twenty percent of the seventeen percent of the first rounded. Play,

1320
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,800
GREAT odds yeah. I don't, know you know, He's six'

1321
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:10,000
nine he'll he'll walk into some like thirteen. Five and,

1322
01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:11,920
six games you know if he makes a couple of

1323
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,559
threes and like gets vouled while. THEY'RE in, the bonus.

1324
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: I look, if he stays Healthy like if that planner,

1325
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,880
Fascist stuff doesn't. LINGER i'm all bored i think he's going.

1326
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,520
To be. REALLY good maybe not i don't know if he's,

1327
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:23,720
gonna BE a star but i think he's, gonna be

1328
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,560
A really. Really, good nba player.

1329
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,239
Speaker 2: Grant here's the, QUOTE by the way i almost. Forgot

1330
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,279
he said this he said. This on, draft night he

1331
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:34,079
said PASSING is something that. I was always doing AND

1332
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:36,600
this is why i believe in the game of basketball.

1333
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,359
As a creative, place, It's AN art right and i.

1334
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:41,720
WANT to play beautiful i, want TO play pretty and i.

1335
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,159
Want to play efficient there's never a sacrifice of myself

1336
01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:47,800
for the team. Or something like that it's just about.

1337
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,880
Making the right, decision, he's a poet done The.

1338
01:08:52,039 --> 01:08:55,600
Speaker 3: Rookie, of, the year. Like no, It's, over i'm sorry cooper,

1339
01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:58,239
This Is the moment like i'm in the. Bag for

1340
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,880
him forever. Now that's. Real too, that's incredible.

1341
01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 2: He's yeah he's great YOU gotta yeah some i could

1342
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,199
find these. Other quotes from him he's. Already been a

1343
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:11,560
machine and it was Funny, because at media day after

1344
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,439
a summer of THESE quotes about LIKE i know what

1345
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,359
i have, to GET better At like i know i'm.

1346
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:17,880
NOT a finished product i have to, live in, the

1347
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,520
gym this that, and these like long. Beautiful spiels about

1348
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,079
basketball he was, for the first time like visibly annoyed

1349
01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:26,079
because we. Asked like ten, questions, they were like, so

1350
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:29,800
like your injury can you? Tell us about it and

1351
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,520
he was like it's. Not a big deal, and we're

1352
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,279
like okay but like? What are you doing are you up?

1353
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:35,159
To on court activities, AND he was, Like i don't

1354
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:37,399
know i'm doing. WHAT the doctor, says, i, was like

1355
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,720
yeah man it's not gonna already it's not. Gonna, be,

1356
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,000
all artistic artistic.

1357
01:09:43,079 --> 01:09:46,520
Speaker 3: Well the the body, doesn't affect the soul and my

1358
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,920
soul is. Purified by skip passes.

1359
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:54,119
Speaker 2: Someone solds in my comments and said art. Is nothing

1360
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:57,159
without CONSTRAINTS that is why i have forsworn learning how.

1361
01:09:57,159 --> 01:10:03,840
TO dribble. That's, INCREDIBLE i know well i appreciate you

1362
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,319
guys having me On this is the NETS are fascinated

1363
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,279
and i hope to. More, than just me.

1364
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah they're fascinating to us and to all the sickos.

1365
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,560
That listen and watch can you just tell them where

1366
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,800
they can find you in all the fantastic, Work that you.

1367
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:23,039
Speaker 2: Do, Lucas Of course, Yeah as dan said lucas kaplan

1368
01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:27,199
on socials and then for all nets. Stuff netsdaily dot

1369
01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:31,600
com last year was our. Twentieth year in existence shout

1370
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:36,119
Out to the Legendary, bob of nets daily who runs

1371
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:40,159
all our socials and to this day writes like three

1372
01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:45,479
things a day, at eighty, years old a legend and BASKETBALL,

1373
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:50,199
INSIDERS for. General wnba nba stuff, some freelance, pieces there

1374
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:52,960
But yeah that's where i'm at And generally around the

1375
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:58,279
internet doing great pods such as. SUCH as this one i. Had,

1376
01:10:58,279 --> 01:10:58,560
a Great.

1377
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,039
Speaker 3: Time, yeah thanks lucas again everybody check out everything that

1378
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:05,239
he's writing. AND putting out there i will. SAY a

1379
01:11:05,319 --> 01:11:08,079
personal endorsement i Think he covers the nets, better than

1380
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:11,039
anybody else so make sure you make a. Point to, Do.

1381
01:11:11,119 --> 01:11:14,039
That thank you lucas thanks everybody, for listening for watching

1382
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,479
do All, the. THINGS rate reviews subscribe i will, not

1383
01:11:17,159 --> 01:11:18,920
tell your. FRIENDS tell your enemies i Will Not shout

1384
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,319
out frank milakina because he has nothing To Do with

1385
01:11:21,359 --> 01:11:22,359
the brooklyn nets