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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Bobby Brown and welcome to another fucking podcast.

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Kids with your loud music and your Dan Fogelberg, your Zeema,

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hula hoops and pac Man video games. Don't you see?

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People today have attention spans that can only be measured

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in namo seconds, old legends and they just do great

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like Legend.

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Speaker 2: And an Adam work from with a lot of like.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello Las Vegas, Hello World, Hello, my loyal minions.

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It is good to see you now, He's good to

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be seeing. I'm as He Presley and this is another

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f and podcast. I'm the host of the program, as

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you would think, so since you know my name's in

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the program, make sure you guys check out all the

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social media is at real Azy Presidenty all the way

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across the board to an Instagram, Facebook, and of course

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the show page. Another FN podcast, got a great show

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for you lined up today something that has been a

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lifelong dream of mine. There was this band that I

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fell in love with nineteen ninety called scatter Brain, and

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a few months back I get a friend request from

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some cat named Glenn Cummings and I did math, Yes,

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I did math, and I realized it was the Glenn

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Comings from Scatterbrain and he is on the show today.

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He's on the show this afternoon. He is part of

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this project that he was in in the night. He's

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called Stone Deep. The album that is out now is

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a reissue remaster of a bunch of the stuff that

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Stone Deep did. It is called Kung Fu Rip and

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it is It is rap rock. It is rap metal.

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It is the best way to describe it is. Really

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it's very very much down the vein of a stuck

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mojo type thing, and it's really good. It is really good.

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that gives you a starting point. And they were ahead

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of the curve. I mean it started in nineteen ninety two,

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so they were ahead of the rap rock curve. And

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I think you're really going to enjoy the story. And

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we're gonna get into some Scatterbrain stuff obviously, some ludicrous

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stuff obviously, and we're gonna have a lot of fun.

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I think you're gonna enjoy this interview. I had a

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goddamn blast doing it. Probably no show next week because

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I am going to be on the most as a

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rock cruise. Actually we can be gone leaving on Thursday,

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I get back on March thirteenth, so that is two

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weeks that I am gone. I'm gonna try to do

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a show on the boat, but obviously you won't hear

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until I get back. Man, there will probably be no video,

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just audio only because I don't have room on my phone. Whatever. Oh,

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before we get into the Glenn Commings interview, please please,

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please please, if you do like the show, subscribe. Get

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that subscription button right there, and we are back on Spreaker.

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And that is why we are not live. And it

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sucks not being able to do it live, but it

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is what it is, and this is the last time

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I'm gonna whine about it, because fucking whatever one part

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about doing it prerecorded, I can do it when I want.

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You know. There's no appointment listening anymore, which sucks. But

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I can do it when I want. I can put

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out two shows a week, three shows a week if

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I get ship lined up, because I can record when

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I want, when I want and when I want, and

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post it when I want, when I want, and when

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I want. So we'll be on the moster's of rock cruise.

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Make sure you guys check out and cruise to the edge.

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Get my program. Maybe last Friday, two records came out,

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two a very popular guitar players solo obviously a'ce Freeley

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and mcmah Let me do it over here so you

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can see so good. Oh yes, yes, I highly suggest

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these records if you're gonna ask me to pick between

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the two. Sorry, Ace, the mcmaarrs record is superior, but

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the Ace Frayley record is good as well. And I

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probably gonna have Steve Brown on the show to talk

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about it at some point, because Steve worked very closely

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with Ace, along with my good friend, close personal friend

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Joey Cassata. Maybe give them on together. But they're on

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three sides this week, so I don't know. I'm gonna

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watch the show. I'm gonna watch the three sides and

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the ship that they don't touch on. Maybe we have

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Steve and Joey on talking about it. I don't know,

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we'll see it. I will say whatever. Cool. So anyways,

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without further though, Ladies and gentlemen, Glenn Cummings, scatter Brain,

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ludicrist stone deep enjoy, all right, and we are back,

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and part of me will I go, oh, get into

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my cheesy radio voice into this. Ladies and gentlemen, it's

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gonna be big fun coming up. God, I don't know

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why I do that, Ladies, and Jen, I'm joining us.

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You know him from Scatterbrain and Ludacrist and he has

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his band, or had a band called Stone Deep. His

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name is Glenn Cummings and he is amazing fucking guitar player.

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And according to Wikipedia, Glenn, Joe Saturani thought you and

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your partner in Scatterbrain were phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul Neder, Yeah, thank you, thank you. Joe doesn't

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get any better than Joe Satriani. Right, a monster. He's

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Speaker 1: Do you know him? Have you met him?

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first one was, but the second one was what Surfing

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Combat Corps and then in Effect Records, it was it

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was the same company. So so Steve was kind of

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over there and would go in and steal as many

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copies of Steve's out vinyl. I mean, Joe's kind of

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vinyl as possible. Every time we went into the offices

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were huge fans.

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Speaker 1: No, he's a he's a super nice guy, super humble.

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and I do Mosses on the Mountain. He played there

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a couple of years ago, and I ended up in

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the shuttle back to the hotel from Gatlinburg to Knoxville,

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and I got the stern talking to from one of

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the gals in the office, just you know you're gonna

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be riding with Joe sachi Ron. He said, oh, fuck up.

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little nap. Donky.

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Speaker 1: Well it was him and Don Jamison had a great conversation.

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I was just sitting in the back enjoying it. But

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so the reason that you're here because something, something just

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came out last week. You were a part of a

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band called Stone Deep and it was out in Nashville

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giving it a listen. You guys were really you started

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what ninety two, correct, yeah, two, and that was really

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at the forefront. Yeah, we had like Anthrax, I'm the Man,

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and you know they did the did the thing with

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with Chuck d And that was really it as far

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as rap rock goes, because I think Stuck Mojo was

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after that, am I correct?

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like Stuck Mojo were probably about the same time. Okay,

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what yeah?

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Speaker 1: What what drew you to it? I mean because obviously,

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a little bit of the rap and scatter.

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mean we so like I grew up in Long Island

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and and you know, like my exposure or like my

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first experience so we can talk about it later with

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music was really playing in hardcore bands in New York.

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as the hardcore stuff was coming out, like the first

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super amazing rap that had like heavy beats were coming

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demn See that actually had guitars, or like Llo cool

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we were kind of I was gonna fan all, you know,

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like or kind of a pretty extreme fan kind of

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from early on. And in ninety two there was a

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like what Scatterbrain was doing. So so I decided I

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had a girlfriend. Tell me if this is too long

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of a.

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Speaker 1: Story, no, no, no please.

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Speaker 2: I had a fairly long term girlfriend who lived in

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Los Angeles and she had just moved back to Nashville

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and after being in New York for so long, Nashville

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was like Nashville was amazing, you know. It was like

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all this music happening and none of it was country music,

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and it was like there were like jazz bands and

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rock bands and crazy heavy metal bands and everybody was

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going like we were going to like concerts like seven

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days a week and beer was cheap. Yeah, the bands

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were great, you know, and I was like, I'm kind

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of I was really thinking, well, maybe I just kind

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of moved down here to Nashville, which I did. And

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guys that had a band and the band the band

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was called the Hardcore Corps and they had they had

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a record deal with Interscope and like they had this

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meteoric rise, like they got discovered, they got signed. Jam

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tour with Iced Tea during the body Count. Oh wow.

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to seven Spies. They did a year of that and

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exact moment I moved to Nashville. They were like wow,

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they were like what happened? And they had a bunch

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of of shows still booked, like some in Atlanta, some

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like a real job. He was like he was kind

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of an engineer, and and when everything fell out, he said, look,

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like I got to do this. So I was sitting

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enough that could fill in on some of these shows?

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their music. So I kind of I had I think

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I had something I was kind of doing. I was

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doing something together with Mucky Pop. Maybe it was like

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a record they were working on. I think I was

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back in New York and then I came back down

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and I played a couple of shows with the guys

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and we had a total blast. Like we didn't even

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have a rehearsal. We just kind of I learned their

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music in the in the car on the car ride

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down from New York. I took notes, you know, like

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I had like a note man, And I was like,

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Listen to the CD like fifteen times, and then we

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kind of we went and played the shows and we

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had a blast it like hit totally hit it off.

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in some ways they had They just had like a

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chemistry like that was really that was super super different

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than than what we were doing with with Scatterbrain right,

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and it just felt like a live and spontaneous and

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so we started we said, okay, well let's do some songs,

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let's do some recording. And initially we thought we were

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call it the Hardcore and we kind of make a

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new record and get a new label. And then when

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so we changed the name to Stone Deep. We pretty

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much did it. Did the band from ninety two until

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back together and we started playing. We thought, are we

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just like a bunch of old men that like, you know,

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it's just gonna work, you know, Yeah, And we got

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and in like three weeks we had like twenty four

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thousand followers. Holy shit, and it's like, holy shit, And

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these kind of young kids were saying stuff like, dude,

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how do you get like the how do you get

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the that crazy like nineteen nineties sound. We're like, like, well,

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ironically be from the nineties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, recorded in the nineties, that's how you do it. Well,

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you know, it's a funny that you know, you talk

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about how this came came out in like ninety two,

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and you know, I didn't know what was going on

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with scatterin there was it was a real weird time

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in the in the in the music industry because you

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had that great wall of Nirvana come down, and that

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not only affected you know, eighties glam rock as I

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like to call it, I hate the term hair metal,

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but you know, it affected metal, it affected pop music,

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it affected everything. Everything changed, and so it was like

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it was probably you know, it had to be something

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in your mind, like funk, what am I going to do?

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Now let's go see right.

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and forth between we had like Scatterbrain had left in

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Effect Records, which was, you know, kind of part of

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the same family as Combat, Combat Core and Relativity, like

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sort of towards the end of the arc of here

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comes trouble because there were two guys from Elektra Records

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that were like huge fans and they were both like

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senior vice presidents, and we thought and basically we were

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ending the we were ending the tour cycle. So basically

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our tour support budget and our label support. They had

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done a fantastic job, Steve Martin and Howie Abrams had

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done like an amazing job kind of pushing stuff forward,

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but there was like still some life left in it,

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and so Electra wanted to like buy out that the

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remainder of that buy that option and then then get

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our next two options. And there were all sorts of

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kind of like legal weirdnesses there, but we were like, yeah, okay,

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let's do it. So we put out one album on

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Electra and well, first we weren't sure if we should

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do it right because so we kind of left and

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we put one album out on Electra. That's a longer story,

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but basically, our two senior vice presidents got fired almost

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like as soon as the album came out, and we

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were like, uh now what, so basically tour support fell off,

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and when you know, back at that moment, everybody was

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get everybody was selling their labels. You know, if we

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even if we would have stayed at in effect like

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later that year, in effect sold everything to I mean,

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Relativity sold itself to Sony, so that whole label disappeared.

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so it was like the whole thing just shunk down,

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and I don't think anybody really had a context for understanding,

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you know, like the other guys and the men were

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maybe more of the mind of like, let's wait until

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stuff kind of settles a little bit and we can

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see what the landscape is. And I was more of

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the mind like I got nothing to do, you know,

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like yeah, so like let's let's let's rock for like

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two hundred bucks a night or whatever we got to do.

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and that's what kind of led me to kind of

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head to Nashville in some ways.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's so funny just to touch on

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that for you know, for a second. Is that you

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know you said the two guys with the rush got fired.

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There was a lot of that happening around the industry

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at the time because oh you work with those hair bands,

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we don't need you. Boom, you're done. You know, like

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you hear that story, I think I think that's what happened,

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is Tom Zutat right, you know, it happened to a

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lot of guys, so yeah, that it makes sense that

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your guys at that time got shit canned.

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Speaker 2: Right, And they were like they were kind of funny

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guys too, like Howard Thompson like signed like a bunch

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like some really a crazy range of things from like

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from like Byork to like the Pixies and you know,

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or like there's a bunch of things too that were

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like they weren't even alternative, they were just more like unusual,

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unusual groups that they were just like you know, it's

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like old school A and R like hire the hire

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the weird band and then just support them through twenty

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years and they'll do amazing stuff. Except except we sort

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of got like maybe a year out of it before

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before they kind of.

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Speaker 1: Went yeah right right.

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Speaker 2: Before they're unconditional love just sort of you know, like

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the whole economic world changed, so you know, it wasn't

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any but it wasn't their fault. It was like more corporate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. So the so deep things.

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So you said you got you guys got together bout

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a year? Are you? Were you out playing gigs again?

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Were you just kind of jamming?

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Speaker 2: Well? I mean so yeah. Part of the funny part

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is like everybody else is still in in Nashville and

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I wound up in in New York. So so we

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made a couple uh weekends where I go down to

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Nashville and like we'd run through songs and build back

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some of the repertoire and have dinner and talk and stuff. Yeah,

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and then after like two or three times, maybe two times,

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then we're like, Okay, we probably should do promo photos

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next time, and then we probably should start shooting videos,

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and then we figured we would remaster and re release.

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The funny thing is we made like five albums during

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that nine year stint, and one of them got like

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acknowledged by the Grammy Foundation as like best independent recording

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from nineteen ninety six. We won every regional award we

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could kind of win in Nashville, and there were a lot,

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so it was like, regionally, we've kind of had this

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incredible success, but like nobody outside of like Nashville or Kentucky,

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Tennessee actually heard anything. So we thought, Okay, let's put

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some of this stuff out again and just see. Like

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so once we started doing that, we just started getting momentum.

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And then we started playing a couple a couple gigs,

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and so we've been gigging, but only in Nashville. Okay,

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well Nashville and Memphis.

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Speaker 1: I love Memphis, Yeah, well I love Memphis when you

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stay in the decent parts of Memphis. When you get

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you get like behind Elvis Presley Boulevard.

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Speaker 2: Year But it's like saying I love New Orleans and

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you're like, which part of New exactly? Some parts that

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are still really really struggling, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, well I suppose, I mean, it's like, you know,

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I equated to There was an eighties band out of

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Minneapolis called Slave Rat. I'm from Minneapolis, and they were

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big in the Upper Midwest, but it was pre Internet.

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It was pre and like you guys. They were on

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the Headbanger's Ball or whatever, and they were on a

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licensed to drive soundtrack. But that's really the height of

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where that went. You know, they were a regional band,

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and it kind of sounds like Still Deep was the

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same thing, especially because it's pre Internet. You know, do

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you think it do you think do you think it

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could have been different had it been Internet times?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Yeah, I think maybe because at

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that point we were still really really trying to like

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we did everything ourselves, right, we kind of, yeah, we

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did our own recording sessions, we put out our own

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uh our own release, and we booked our own tours,

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we uh we made our own merchandise. We kind of

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we basically did everything, and but we still kind of

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had the idea that eventually, at some point we would

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we would get a label involved and we get at

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least enough financial support to like build out a team. Yeah,

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and and that just sort of like it wasn't where

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the where the rest of the music world was, and

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so we had a great time doing it ourselves. And

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then you know, as the guys got a little bit older,

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everybody started getting married and having kids and was like, okay, well,

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let's put it on hold for a while, you know,

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but now it's kind of been fun to go back

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to it. In some ways, the music sounds well, here,

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here's what this is. This is really funny. We when

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we were playing the same music back in the nineties,

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people used to say, oh, this music it's over, like

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like your your style, and we're like, well, what style

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is that? Exactly? Yeah, this style is over, say okay.

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And then when we started just playing again, people were like, oh,

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this sounds like, this sounds fantastic. So it's like the

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things that were the things that were over twenty five

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years ago are not over any I guess they're not old.

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They weren't actually over, they just weren't of that moment.

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Speaker 1: Well that that's always how the cycle seems to go,

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and it's it's always after twenty years that's when the

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comeback drums, you know, because then the two early two

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thousand US when the eighties stuff started coming back, right,

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you know, seventies in the nineties, it's like boom, It's

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like clockwork.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's like clock It's literally like clockwork. It's amazing.

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So many great, so many great bands are back, you know, which.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, like even with like the resurgers of

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Limp Biscuit, you know, even though it's a different style

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inside the same style, you know, it's got to help

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a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's fantastic and and like all

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of us have kind of friends in different bands and

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things over the over the years from from touring, so

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you know, it's it's great to see those those those

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folks kind of like friends and people whose music we

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love like out there kind of doing it and and

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hopefully we'll connect to do some shows together with some

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of those some of those acts along the way too.

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Speaker 1: How close did you guys come though, as far as

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like to possibly getting a label and all that stuff, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I mean we we allegedly had label deals like

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six times. You know, like there were different you know,

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it's like people they got the they got the recordings,

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they loved it, they came in, they saw a show,

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they were blown away. We said another you know, we

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said another time for them to see more shows. There

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was a phone call where they said they're hoping to

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get support from the rest of the team. That's always

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the like super key word, and then things would kind

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of peter out. So it happened. It really happened like

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five or six times. And then after you know, the

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first three times we're like okay when we're like sending stuff,

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and then the last two times we were like, okay,

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well you just come we're playing and just come on

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down and stay at my house. And you know, see

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the gigs and the band was always fantastic live and

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and because it was Nashville in the in the nineties,

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the stud videos were and still are, you know, like

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world class. And basically, you know, the people who are

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kind of working on the high end projects like the

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Garth Brooks Records or whatever, they weren't necessarily country fans.

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They were audio fans, fidelity fans, and so it was

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very easy. Like there were some really great, great guys.

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We worked with a guy named Mike Griffiths who had

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like tons and tons of hits and another guy named

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Rob Earls who had his own studio for years, and

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they were both like world class guys, and they'd be like, yeah, yeah,

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we got we've got plenty of empty studio time. Let's

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work out a deal. And you know, it was like

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it was, it was fantastic. It was very easy to

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live and kind of make music and record in Nashville

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at that point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Nashville was cheap then. Oh yes, I mean especially

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compared to New Yorker. I mean I was in LA

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for eight and a half years too. It's like, and

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that's where everybody they're going to Nashville. I'm in Vegas

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now or Austin, which is basically turning into LA. You know.

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Speaker 2: I remember going from New York and we went to Nashville,

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and I was splitting an apartment with my girlfriend, and

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I think we had like a we had a nice,

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like two bedroom apartment. I think, like I don't know,

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maybe it was like six hundred dollars a month and uh,

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and we were outraged that we were paying so much,

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so we bought a house. We bought a house, like

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really close to downtown because the mortgage.

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Speaker 1: On the house was cheaper than rent.

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Speaker 2: Would only be around three hundred dollars a month, holy shit.

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And it was way cheaper than rent. So we were like,

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why are we paying so much for rent when we

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could just pay half the price for kind of the mortgage.

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Speaker 1: Of course, now you're thanking God. I should have held

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00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,160
onto that house. Oh house.

476
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the around two in the early two thousands,

477
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,720
like the like real estate like houses that were like

478
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,920
thirty thousand dollar houses became like four hundred thousand dollar houses,

479
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,200
you know, just like in like two years. It was

480
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,200
like insane. So people who invested in real estate in

481
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:18,240
Nashville and everywhere across the US did did you know

482
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,079
had a real bump there? Yeah?

483
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: Well I saw that. I don't remember the TV show Scrubs,

484
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,640
but I think I follow the guy that played the

485
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,440
todd and he's like, he's a real estate guy. I

486
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,680
just saw him. He was all proud he sold a condo,

487
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,640
which means he sold an apartment or nine hundred thousand

488
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,039
dollars in Santa Monica. And it's probably the size of

489
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:40,920
my apartment here.

490
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: Much great, exactly exactly what it? Oh, yeah, it's an

491
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,720
article is last year, maybe about a year and a half,

492
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:53,559
that in New York that the median, the median apartment

493
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:58,880
in New York hit one million dollars in apartment. Now,

494
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,400
most medium doesn't mean the average, right, it just means like,

495
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,440
if there's a thousand, you basically take the one in

496
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:08,160
the middle, and what does that cause? But most apartments

497
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,000
are one bedroom apartments. There's only like a very smooth

498
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,359
you know, like the very few apartments like in certain

499
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,319
parts of town that are that are two or three

500
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,160
bedroom apartments good because who can who can afford them? Right?

501
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:25,119
Speaker 1: It's just insane. I mean I live on the Strip

502
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,400
and I'm paying eleven hundred dollars a month.

503
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:30,839
Speaker 2: Huh not some bad.

504
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: Vegas, Baby Vegas. But Vegas is starting to get out

505
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,160
of control too, So so you're gonna do some gigs,

506
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,400
you can have some fun. That's kind of what you're

507
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,559
doing with Stow Deep right now.

508
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been having a great time. We released a

509
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:50,880
new album called Kung Fu Grip. That's a well new album,

510
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,359
a remastered version of the album we put out in

511
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:57,599
in Uh in ninety six, and in some ways it's

512
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,559
kind of my favorite album because we kind of switched

513
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:07,279
from like guitar based drums, DJ vocal ur our DJ

514
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,799
second vocalist got just busy with work and things, so

515
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,200
we had this like strip stripped down version of the

516
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:16,680
band and it was like it was like a super

517
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,240
energized time. So I think the albums are really really great.

518
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:25,319
It's like on all the streaming services now. Yeah, and

519
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,240
that's the way to do it, and we'll play some

520
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,559
gigs this fall, I mean this spring. Sorry, wrong time

521
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:30,880
of year.

522
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, and then and we'll

523
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,640
have a great time. So so we got to talk

524
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,720
scatter Brain. We got to talk a little scatter Brain.

525
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:44,799
So so Scatterbrain originally started out as Ludachrist. Yeah, I mean,

526
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:46,440
the gist of it.

527
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,759
Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of funny story around it because

528
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:53,839
you know, like at the time, the second Ludicrist album

529
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:57,079
it didn't really like, it didn't really sell very well,

530
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,240
and and so there were a lot of like this,

531
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,319
it's this weird thing in the world of music that

532
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,480
if you have one one album that doesn't sell, it's

533
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,440
very hard to kind of jump start the next one. Yeah,

534
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:18,319
so we were we had written the whole third Ludicrist

535
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,880
album and tell me if I'm going into too much detail,

536
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:26,359
no no, no, the more the gooder. And and it's

537
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,119
just around the time when when Howie Abrams and Steve

538
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,279
Martin had been charged with, you know, heading up this

539
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,920
new version or this new imprint of Inside Relativity called

540
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,519
in Effect, and they had already put together like it

541
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,039
was like Agnostic Front twenty four to seven Spies Nuclear Assault,

542
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:51,799
Limbo Maniacs, some other things. They kind of moved over there,

543
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:55,559
and we knew how we from shows. We didn't really

544
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,359
know Steve, but Steve had previously played an Agnostic front

545
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,599
and he was like also like a pretty savvy promo guy.

546
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:08,440
And so Howie and Steve came out to like some rehearsals,

547
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:11,960
Like I think there was a big question mark whether

548
00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:16,200
the label even wanted to make the third Ludicrist album,

549
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,279
like this is like and so we were like, okay,

550
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,480
because let me tell you, the album budgets weren't really

551
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:31,960
you know. It's like like you could have afforded to

552
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,720
be the record label for well.

553
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:38,079
Speaker 1: Let's get ahead of ourselves here. That's funny.

554
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: I could have whatever, Like we could get like five

555
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:45,000
guys in any bar together and fund the second Ludicrist records.

556
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,799
So there wasn't a lot of money at stake. So

557
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,039
Howie and Steve came down to see the rehearsals, say

558
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:53,480
what the hell are these guys doing anyway, and and

559
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:57,000
they both kind of loved the new material and uh,

560
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:03,240
and so they started kind of like coming to rehearsals.

561
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:04,640
It was the first time we kind of had an

562
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,880
a and r presence at all, and we went through

563
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:09,599
I mean, we can go back to this with the

564
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:12,880
more detail in how we developed the songs and recorded

565
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,920
them up at Normandy Sound with Tom Sores and and

566
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,119
we got through the whole thing. I think we I

567
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,599
think we even had artwork underway, and and Howie and

568
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,960
Steve were like, we're running into all sorts of block

569
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,000
and promotional blockades already. We think like, this is a

570
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,119
this is an incredible album, and we're going to sort

571
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:40,960
of get cock blocked out of the start with it

572
00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:44,880
being a Ludicroust album. So we said, okay, like what

573
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,480
are we talking about. They said, well, if you shift

574
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,319
the name like that kind of freeze up a lot

575
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,880
of a lot of the problems. So the record company

576
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:01,039
held a contest to rename us, and that's awesome, and uh,

577
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:05,359
the entries are like they're they're absolutely hysterical, you know,

578
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,480
they're like, yeah, everyone is X rated and kind of

579
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,400
more absurdist than the next. In the end, I don't

580
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,800
think I think we we we gave somebody a prize

581
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,199
and then we just picked the name scatter Brain, and

582
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,519
uh and it was like became scatter Brain. So then

583
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:29,440
the since the story was that basically the story became

584
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,159
like it was a new band because that was part

585
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,400
of like how we could kind of how it could

586
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,639
break from the previous thing. But if you go back

587
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,960
to videotapes or even like search YouTube, you're gonna see

588
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,960
all these Ludicrist videos where we're playing Don't Call Me

589
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,639
Dude and uh and all the songs from the new

590
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:53,239
Ludicrist album, which is pretty which is is pretty funny.

591
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: Were you, well, were you doing the the costumes and

592
00:34:57,519 --> 00:34:59,039
all that ship in Ludicrist.

593
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: It's a good question. You know, we kind of we

594
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,440
weren't because we well with the first record. I mean,

595
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,639
you have to remember this is like nineteen eighty five

596
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:15,039
eighty six, So touring was a lot more rough and

597
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:17,960
like heart like the first album. We were considered a

598
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,800
hardcore band, which meant we mostly played at in storage

599
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:30,599
spaces like you know, billiard halls, people's parents' house, We

600
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:34,440
slept in clubs, we slept in the van, you know.

601
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,320
So we toured a good amount, but it was really

602
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,159
rough and ready. And by the second album, the world,

603
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,719
like the music world was getting more like crossover. Basically

604
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,239
there was like heavy metal stuff meeting hardcore stuff. And

605
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,519
so the shows tended to be like there was more

606
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:56,800
concentration in like bigger venues, so we would go and

607
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,400
actually pay play real venues on that tour. But it

608
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,280
was like we'd have like five shows in a row,

609
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,119
and then we come home for two weeks, and then

610
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,480
we'd have another five then we drive to like Michigan

611
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:12,760
and like play like six shows kind of in a row.

612
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:16,320
Like we were really like we didn't really have proper

613
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,559
tours except for a European run. And I think the

614
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:27,639
costumes only really started when when we were months of

615
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,599
five shows a week, six shows a week as a

616
00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:32,840
way to just stay.

617
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: Stay entertained. I mean, you can't really wear a chicken

618
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,960
outfit in a hardcore show in the corner of a.

619
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: It would rule. The precedent for me always was we.

620
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,960
I was always a big MDC Millions of the Cops

621
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,760
fan and uh and we played with them in Berlin

622
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,840
before before the wall came down, right, so it was

623
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,079
like heavy crazy police presidence. It was like military zone

624
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:11,840
and in this giant squat we kind of we we

625
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,880
played a show together with with MDC and I hadn't

626
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,239
seen them in years and Dave Dickter the singer. We

627
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,920
were like hanging out backstage I get ready to play,

628
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,559
kind of like he dresses up in this Elvis costume,

629
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,920
just going what the hell is going on? Like like

630
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:35,800
NBC like such an intense, intense act. I'm like, what

631
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,039
the hell's he dressing up like Elvis? Like it's not like, uh,

632
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:41,679
what was that band? It was a band in like

633
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:47,639
the Zeppelin, yeah right right, doing the Hey like reggae

634
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,920
kind of Elvis Zeppelin tune. And it was the same

635
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,559
thing like like like Dave was just like they're just

636
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:58,880
like keeping the absurd spirit alive, like doing doing whatever

637
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,519
they're gonna do. And I always felt like that was

638
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:05,800
like an extension of Tommy's move into the Chicken suit,

639
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:12,079
and and there are many chicken suit stories, but the

640
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:14,679
nun suit, the chicken suit. Yeah, yeah yeah.

641
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:18,199
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that that stuff might

642
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,360
have hurt you in the long run?

643
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: You know, that's a good question.

644
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: Well, I mean because I mean you look at the videos,

645
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:30,840
you look at you know, obviously you've seen the live

646
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:36,039
stuff of the band, and it's just all this ridiculous, absurd, funny,

647
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,800
awesome stuff going on. But do you think like you

648
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,519
got maybe put into all their just a comedic band,

649
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,440
they'll go away.

650
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:48,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. Like me, I think it's

651
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:52,559
a really good question. I was on some video thing

652
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,599
I did a kind of interview thing and together with

653
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:58,360
Howie Abrams and Howie who is like the record company

654
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,320
guy during here Comes Trouble in effect, and how he said, Yeah,

655
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,920
you know, you guys, you actually just never had an image,

656
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,679
you know, like even when you were ludicrous, like you

657
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,360
were just like guys that rolled out of bed and

658
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,800
and got on stage in sweatpants or like, you know,

659
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,400
like whatever. And and I think we were kind of

660
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:25,400
really into that, like we were really into not like

661
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:31,280
we were just we were into not you know, like

662
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,199
not having any barrier in between, like like we're just

663
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,199
like guys in the audience who like got on stage

664
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,960
and kind of played it. And how I was saying, well,

665
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,519
I'm not sure that like I ever kind of worked

666
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:49,159
in your favor, like because because people, you know, it's

667
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,800
like now people would say, oh, that's like the look

668
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,920
is no look right. Yeah, But like at that point,

669
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:58,239
like nineteen eighty five or nineteen eighty six, eighty seven,

670
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,480
that was like somehow the world didn't get that yet

671
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:05,000
and then if you take that forward into the chicken

672
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,400
the chicken suit or like pigtails or kind of wearing

673
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:15,320
dresses or whatever, I think, uh yeah, I think in

674
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,840
some ways like there was like there was there was

675
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,880
still this, there was like a music business expectation that

676
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:28,119
you would have that your image would be sensational. In

677
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,880
some ways that wasn't like a fuck you, right. I

678
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,599
think our presence, whether it was silly or whatever, it

679
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,960
was always sort of like a fuck you to the

680
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:45,760
whole thing, like like, listen to the music because he's

681
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,840
in a chicken suit and and I'm a nun and

682
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,920
uh and Paul's where you know, he's in in his

683
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,719
underwear because he just is. I don't even know why.

684
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:01,840
So yeah, I think like in some ways, like a

685
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,679
whole portion of the world probably just said, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

686
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:06,800
I don't like that, what is that? And then I

687
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,559
think there's a whole other section that that that got

688
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:15,280
it because that was the like a good A good

689
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,920
example is at some point we got this. We got

690
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,760
a phone call and we thought it was a prank

691
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,960
phone call from this promoter in Australia and he said, hey,

692
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,920
you guys have a he said, this is I'm going

693
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,639
to forget the guy's name. He said, yeah, this is

694
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,039
blah blah blah. And you guys have a number three

695
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:36,440
hit in Australia. I want to fund a tour, you know,

696
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,480
like a month long or month and a half tour

697
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:43,599
in Australia. He said, Mom, is that you? Yeah right,

698
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,679
I'm like, who is this? You know? And the funny

699
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:53,920
thing is the whole, the whole no image lobster suit

700
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:59,119
as image thing like it just one hundred percent connected

701
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,599
in Australia and people are like, yeah, fuck that image shit.

702
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,840
I want to see a band where where somebody's dressed

703
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,880
like a giant hot dog and everybody else has a

704
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:14,400
sunbarn because they fit, you know, like and like they

705
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,800
like it just like made sense, Like the whole piss

706
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,559
take on everything made sense, and the music kind of

707
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,840
made like don't call me dude was that and then

708
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,079
the visuals were that too, And it's so funny. But

709
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,880
in the United States, we had a lot of like

710
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,679
we had a lot of support from like Ricky Rackman

711
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,159
or MTV and kind of like various radio stations in

712
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,400
different cities. But but in general, I think what you're

713
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,320
saying like that people didn't know what to do with that.

714
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I think I think Scatter Rain though,

715
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,719
is very ahead of their time, not just for the theatrics,

716
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,079
but I mean, like you take you take a song

717
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:59,119
like Goodbye Freedom, hell a Mom, and it's almost like

718
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:01,679
that's what's going on nowadays, you know what I mean.

719
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it could be a contemporary song right,

720
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:12,039
no matter where you fall on the political stress spectrum,

721
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,800
moving from the model of I mean people literally, like

722
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:21,360
people who talk about like critical economic theory literally use

723
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,239
those terms like like big big mother instead of big brother,

724
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:33,599
because it's become like a like manners and kind of

725
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:40,360
these other things which used to be more free kind

726
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,000
of free zone are kind of more politicized thing at

727
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:46,039
the moment. Yeah.

728
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's like, you know, I was just listening

729
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,360
to the record again for the first time in a while,

730
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,880
and it's like, oh fuck, it's relevant. It's fucking relevant.

731
00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:58,280
It's all relevant again.

732
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: God bless, it's the thirty year thing again coming back

733
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,000
at It's.

734
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:09,639
Speaker 1: Like exactly obviously in the Cheech and Chong that was

735
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:11,519
a that was a beautiful choice. Is that something you

736
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:13,119
guys were doing live and just decided to do it

737
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,679
on the record or was that like, oh, fuck, we

738
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,000
love this, or you were you were high as fuck

739
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,400
watching Cheech and Chong said fuck it, we gotta do

740
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,079
this on the record.

741
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: Well, there's certain songs we kind of always loved, you know.

742
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,320
I feel like I feel like as the album or

743
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,679
as the other songs kind of took shape, I think

744
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,519
we kind of added in Cheat, you know, like that

745
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,280
it was the kind of Alice Bowie scene in in

746
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:42,679
Uh Up and Smoke Up in Smoke where where where

747
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,480
Cheech Cheech Maren is like he's in the two two,

748
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,400
you know, and he's like got like some crazy mask

749
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:53,199
on and he's doing some stage moves. But like the

750
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,320
song is like the song the riff is is is brutal,

751
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,880
you know, so it's like this thing that's like a

752
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,800
complete joke, but then it's kind of awesome at the

753
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:09,079
same time, and we thought, yeah, yeah, that's like somebody

754
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:12,480
wrote a song for us, you know, it's like that's

755
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,519
our song. You know. In some ways it's the same

756
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:17,719
as like the early you know, we used to do

757
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,880
a bunch of classical tunes and people say, oh, were

758
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,559
you kind of like a Mozart fan. We're a Sceni fan,

759
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:27,119
and it's like we're like Bugs Bunny fans, you know,

760
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:36,960
like the moment where Bugs Bunny is like massaging Elmer

761
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:40,800
Fudd's head pretending to be a barber. Yeah, he's like

762
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:44,280
and he's going doom Doom, Doom, doom doom. Like we

763
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,840
watched that like a million times and like fell on

764
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,239
the floor laughing like a million times to be like

765
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,639
that's what music should be, right, Like in some ways,

766
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,519
Carl Carl Stalling, who did the you know, it's kind

767
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:03,760
of completely under underrated musical genius because he's thought to

768
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,960
be a cartoon soundtrack guy, and he was like he's

769
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:13,119
more influential than Stockhausen or or any kind of you know,

770
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,239
like Concrete composer or anybody who John Cage or people

771
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,880
like who took those same concepts more too in a

772
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:24,719
high brow way.

773
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, to fucking Sonata, I mean, what more do

774
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,119
you need?

775
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: Was brilliant. We had a history of weird cover songs

776
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:42,559
like Ludichrist. Ludochrist did the first Ludochrist album. We did

777
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:47,559
Last Train to Clarksville. Really the reason was I think

778
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:51,400
I knew the Last Train to Clarksville Riff. But we

779
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:54,280
it's not much of a reason, but we thought it

780
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,239
would just be funny as hell to like play songs

781
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,440
from a TV band, you know, like they weren't even

782
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,320
a real like the Monkeys were, you know, like a

783
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,880
you know, they were like the Partridge Partridge family. So

784
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,639
we thought, yeah, yeah, that's kind of what we are.

785
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,760
We're like, we're like the Monkeys or like the Partridge Family.

786
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:17,719
And then, uh, I can't remember. We did some weird

787
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,320
stuff on well, the Rossini's actually on the second Ludicrist album,

788
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,000
which is My Fa which I which I always liked

789
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:29,719
better than the Mozart, although we got better at playing.

790
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,159
Speaker 1: Yeah a little bit.

791
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: There's also this very weird take that's probably only on

792
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:41,239
the bonus version of Power Trip. It's called Girl from

793
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,800
Ewo Jima. And we used to, like when we had

794
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,039
nothing to do or we were waiting for Tommy to

795
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:51,320
finish his cigarette. In between songs, we would like, whatever

796
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,519
song we heard on the radio, we would do a

797
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:55,400
version of We would just play it like we were

798
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,239
playing a real song. And that was like one of

799
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,360
the tunes. Like I guess we were in art. We

800
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,920
were in Tampa and we thought it was really funny.

801
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:08,679
Like I mean, the song was probably popularized by who

802
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,920
Beibell Gilberto right right.

803
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,079
Speaker 1: Well, actually, you know the most famous thing it's in

804
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,280
when Jake and Elwood are in the elevator. That's the music.

805
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,039
And actually if you when you listen to this show

806
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:29,199
the intro right after the intro ends, that elevator version

807
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:32,480
is behind me. As I'm talking, I love it.

808
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: I love it, absolutely love it. Yeah, I mean kind

809
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:41,679
of we really loved like like movie bands and like

810
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,599
TV bands. I thought that was like amazing, Well it

811
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,119
really works with what you guys.

812
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: Did you know it just it just did I mean

813
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,480
with the whole presentation. It's like fuck it movie and

814
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:55,360
TV shit, why not?

815
00:48:59,119 --> 00:48:59,159
Speaker 2: No?

816
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,159
Speaker 1: I love it and I'm gonna tell you this, this

817
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,880
is really cool. So when you know, we discovered the band,

818
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,119
me and my friend Jeff Coldest and going. It was

819
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,159
probably the summer before because it was nineteen ninety and

820
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:15,039
we bought we bought the CD and in the CD

821
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:20,159
there was this merch card, so we ordered T shirts. Now,

822
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,880
we thought we were being smart by not getting the

823
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,559
Don't call Me do chrit because we went to a

824
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:28,159
Catholic high school and everybody's a dick, and I'll we're

825
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:30,239
getting hey dude, Hey dude. So we got the white

826
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,199
one with the scatterbrain orange thing on it, right, and

827
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,599
now I regret not getting the Don't call Me do

828
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,000
Chert shirt. But when Big Fun was coming out, you

829
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:46,960
guys sent me a package that had an autographed photograph,

830
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:50,599
this a whole bunch of press clippings, and the Big

831
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,960
Fun CD single. It's like, that is the coolest thing

832
00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:00,320
ever you made. You made a kid's kid's day. Yeah.

833
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: I always felt like, you know, I mean, I was

834
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:06,840
like I grew up like we're like getting stuff, Like

835
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,519
getting music stuff was like a big deal. You know,

836
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:12,199
like if you've got stickers, like you think about it.

837
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:14,519
You just think about it for weeks, like putting on

838
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,079
like whatever you love most, and like play the album

839
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:21,039
over and over again, staring at the artwork. Yeah, you know,

840
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:24,559
it's like maybe it's like being an old person now

841
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:27,280
and it's like back in the day when we had

842
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,920
lots of free time, like we were kind of like

843
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:32,559
music just was like basically everything.

844
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean it's like that's one of the

845
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,800
reasons that it was such kiss geek because all the

846
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,079
shit that you got. There's this band out of Minneapolis,

847
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:43,280
Flip same thing. It's like Kiss meets the sex Pistols.

848
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,119
He's cheap trick. It's like the same fucking thing, you know.

849
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:49,119
And I just wanted to take a chance to personally

850
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:50,960
thank you for that, cause that's that's cool.

851
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:57,039
Speaker 2: You're you're welcome, you know. For years, it really wasn't

852
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:01,360
until like the Scambogerie moment where where we started to

853
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,719
have somebody else do merchandise. I started doing the ludicrous

854
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,599
T shirts probably in probably right at the beginning eighty five.

855
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:13,840
Tommy had designed like the little logo it's like Christ

856
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,639
with punk rock hair and and praying hands. And then

857
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,599
after that he was busy with other stuff, so I'd

858
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:27,760
make flyers and T shirts and and when we changed

859
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,119
his scatterbrain, we just kind of made all sorts of crazy,

860
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,559
crazy stuff. I think at some point we got it

861
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,559
was either Tommy's mom or my mom that would do

862
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:42,599
the fulfillment, you know. It basically we send it to

863
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:44,760
this address, and at some point it was all going

864
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,800
to Tommy's house, and at some point it came to

865
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,719
my house. And there was a really funny part where

866
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,480
where I guess we were on MTV and like we

867
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,719
were popular and uh and so they were. They were

868
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,599
like a range of of fans who were women who

869
00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:04,119
would like send naked pictures or they send like sexy

870
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:09,840
pictures to themselves to like to the band, and and

871
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,519
my mom would open them up and like answer the

872
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,280
so like when we got back from tour. We got

873
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,719
back from tours, there would be this pile of envelopes,

874
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,559
you know, like there would be like the answered answered mail,

875
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,440
and I'd look through them and there would be like

876
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,079
some sexy note and then they would be like I

877
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,800
think she used to make copy like photocopies of what

878
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,719
she because people use photocopies of her reply, and there

879
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,079
would be like some sexy note, and then she'd be

880
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:42,599
like do your francine, thank you for your lovely picture

881
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,679
and for being such a loyal fan to the band.

882
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:51,360
In closing, six stickers, if you enjoy them and use

883
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,159
them to cover whatever you need to cover.

884
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,519
Speaker 1: Mob I could have sex.

885
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,679
Speaker 2: What do you doing? This is wrong? Trap?

886
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,159
Speaker 1: Do you still talk to the guys?

887
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: I talk to a guy a bit because he's more

888
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:14,280
like online h Tommy's kind of just seems to be

889
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,639
busy with the things. He's not a kind of digital person,

890
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,360
so I haven't talked to him in like many many years.

891
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:26,400
Guy I talked to occasionally because he's sort of like

892
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:31,519
the the Well guys, like part owner in a music

893
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:34,320
store out in Long Island, so he's kind of like

894
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,880
out and about and kind of talking to people all

895
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,639
the time. So he's sort of like the mouthpiece that's

896
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:44,760
like available to talk for the for the other guys.

897
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,920
And Paul like chatted with online, but I haven't spoke

898
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,800
to him in person a long time.

899
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: Okay, And do you remember the lesson you guys are

900
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:59,719
in the same room as a band, like playing or

901
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,920
just kind of in the show, just in the same place.

902
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: Well, when the Guys, when the Guys played their first

903
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:08,400
reunion thing, they played a show here in New York

904
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,920
at BB King's and I kind of went to go.

905
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,119
I it didn't line up with my schedule, but I

906
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:18,960
went to go see them, see them play, And so

907
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:21,280
that's the last time we were in the in the

908
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:25,760
same place. But the last time we played honestly had

909
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,719
to be like I was trying to I was trying

910
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,639
to go through the listing of shows and figure out

911
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:38,119
when the last show that I played was and I

912
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,559
still haven't figured it out because it might have been

913
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:46,800
at streets up in New Rochelle or I'm not exactly sure.

914
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:49,280
I think I was living in Nashville. I came back

915
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,719
to play one show and then there was a then

916
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,639
I lost track of what the what the guys were doing,

917
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:59,360
and I am they might have like taken a break

918
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,760
for a while, and then they then they put it,

919
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,000
they got it things moving again and put another album

920
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:09,519
together that they that they kind of released, and I

921
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:12,079
think there was a bunch of shows to support it.

922
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:18,239
But that's the one part of Scatterbrain history that I'm

923
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,440
the most blurry. Well I'm blurry on many things, but

924
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,079
I'm the most blurry on that.

925
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:26,559
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose if you weren't on it, Yeah, that

926
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:29,639
would you know? Has there been any talk about I mean,

927
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,639
you guys brought the idea up about doing a Scatterbrain

928
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:33,320
show here and there.

929
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: Well, I guess it's like the thirty or what is it,

930
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:39,639
thirty fIF Oh my god, is that right?

931
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,039
Speaker 1: Next year? Yeah?

932
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: Right, So guys brought it up a couple of times,

933
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:51,719
you know, like if there's some kind of some but

934
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,360
they would have to be like some reason to for everybody.

935
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:59,199
I don't think anybody is like opposed to it, but

936
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,519
I don't think there's anything concrete plan to do it.

937
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:09,960
There isn't. There's another like unreleased set of demos that

938
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:13,119
it basically was the album we were working on when

939
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:17,119
we got dropped from Elektra. Okay, so there's like twelve songs,

940
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,960
twelve Scatterbrain songs that nobody's ever heard. So there was

941
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:23,519
some discussion about trying to get it together and kind

942
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:26,800
of do a real release of that and then but

943
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,199
it's all kind of just speculative at this moment. Yeah.

944
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's that's cool, Glod. What do you do now?

945
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: That's a good question. After I Well, what I do

946
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:41,960
now is I run a design studio. I have a

947
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,679
design studio design all sorts of stuff, and I do

948
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,119
some teaching in New York at a school called Pratt Institute,

949
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,519
which is like a art slash design school, and that's

950
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:56,599
kept me busy. Like after I after I moved to Nashville,

951
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,039
I basically worked as a musician, like my own thing,

952
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:04,119
and then I would pick up gigs like playing playing

953
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:07,480
for other bands or whatever to pay the bills. And

954
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:11,280
then after a while, I started working and publishing and

955
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,800
then advertising. Then I moved to I moved from Nashville

956
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,199
to Chicago, and I worked in design in Chicago, and

957
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,320
then I went to grad school on the East Coast

958
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,320
and then I moved to New York in two thousand

959
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,039
and two, and I've kind of been doing design stuff

960
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:30,280
since when you.

961
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,519
Speaker 1: Were in When you were in Nashville, did you try

962
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:36,039
to get on with with one of those bigger bands

963
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:38,760
like in Nashville, Except look, a lot of those guys

964
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:39,480
are rock players.

965
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,039
Speaker 2: Man, there's a lot of good guitar.

966
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,119
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, but you're but you're in that echelon. I mean,

967
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,440
you're that fucking good.

968
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: I would say going to Nashville to play, like, play

969
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,079
guitar is like going to like Alaska to like shovel Snow.

970
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:58,920
It's like, like the people that are there actually, like

971
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:03,119
the country players, actually are really really good there, the best,

972
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,199
super good players.

973
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:04,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

974
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I I have an anecdote from when I first

975
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:14,119
moved to Nashville. I had a problem with my car,

976
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,039
so like I was like, where can I go to

977
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:19,239
like and so like a friend of a friend was like,

978
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,440
go to the sky. He's good. So like down some

979
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:26,239
street whatever, the middle of nowhere, dirt road. Some guy

980
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:29,159
you know, he's in overalls whatever. It's like, I'll fix

981
00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:31,760
your car. So I'm like he's like, yeah, let me

982
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,480
give me like half an hour, just hang around, like

983
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:36,280
let me take a look at it. I'm like okay.

984
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,639
So he's like looking at the car. I walk around

985
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:43,199
the block or something. I come back and he's like, yeah,

986
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:45,000
I can fix it. It's going to be like fifty

987
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:48,800
bucks and whatever. And I'm like okay, and he's like,

988
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,519
what do you do. I'm like, I'm a musician. He's like, oh,

989
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:53,840
that's cool. You play. He's like, I got a guitar

990
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,320
over here. I'm like, oh, that's cool. You play a

991
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,159
little bit. He's like, not really play that much. I'm

992
00:58:59,199 --> 00:59:02,559
like okay. So as I'm like counting my money up,

993
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:06,880
he picks up the guitar. He was an incredible, like

994
00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:14,239
a world class guitar player, like but like everybody was, yeah,

995
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,320
this is just like the like the just standard random

996
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,400
guy on the street was like a good like a

997
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,880
totally solid guitar player who could also sing, could also whatever,

998
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:30,400
and almost everybody is. So the problem is, you know,

999
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,159
if you're a studio guy or you're like touring guys

1000
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:39,519
are different than studio guys. And so touring guys like

1001
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:41,440
they have their gig, they're out on the road like

1002
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,760
three four months a year, five months a year or

1003
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,159
two different runs. And then basically they just have their

1004
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:51,199
own little bands that play and their their side gigs.

1005
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:56,159
The studio guys, there's like ten studio guys. It's always

1006
00:59:56,239 --> 01:00:00,239
those guys, you know, and they're fucking monsters. And like,

1007
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:06,079
so the gigs that are available, like for a New

1008
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:08,760
York guitar player, are you know, like you can play

1009
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,320
with a bunch of bands and hope that one some

1010
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,800
of those bands go, but it's much harder to like

1011
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:20,599
get like a pick up. Yeah, I mean I sat

1012
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:22,400
in with a kind of a bunch of people. The

1013
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,000
stuff that I did were like tended to be more

1014
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:29,000
with like guys that I knew, like like Mucky Pup

1015
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,320
would need a guitar player, like go out on tour

1016
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:33,960
with them for a month here or there when we

1017
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:36,719
weren't so busy, and we had a blast. You know,

1018
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:41,159
it's super fun playing playing other you know and other

1019
01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:42,679
people's set up.

1020
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well dude, that's that's why I do the a

1021
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,000
is Raeli tribute thing. You know, I'll play two three

1022
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:50,840
times a year. I get to play Kiss songs with

1023
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,159
my friends and get paid for it.

1024
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:54,199
Speaker 2: It's amazing.

1025
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: Did you ever fall into the Kiss geek t them?

1026
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,400
Being a New York kid, I.

1027
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,159
Speaker 2: Was always a I mean I grew up like a

1028
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,440
Kiss fan, like like I mean, I feel like I

1029
01:01:04,519 --> 01:01:07,920
had every Kiss album and like even when I was

1030
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:10,800
you know, I think of like hanging around with my

1031
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:15,119
friends in grade school, we would like we would put

1032
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:17,960
Kiss records on and like jump, you know, totally jump

1033
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:23,000
around there Whoever's house, like imitating you know, the songs

1034
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:25,559
on Kiss Alive one and then Kiss Alive two, and

1035
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:28,199
you know, it was like we just kind of stayed.

1036
01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:30,760
And I guess I was a Kiss fan. I really

1037
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:36,760
followed pretty closely through maybe Animalize. Maybe I saw maybe

1038
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,920
I saw the Animalize. I mean I saw them a

1039
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,800
bunch of times. I think Animalized. They played Radio City

1040
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,679
Music Hall and we went to go see them.

1041
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: That would have been with Queen's Reig opening.

1042
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:50,199
Speaker 2: That sounds right, Yeah, that sounds right.

1043
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:51,719
Speaker 1: I'm a dork, I know these things.

1044
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:55,719
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Yeah, And they were great and they were great,

1045
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,920
and then I just got to you know, I never

1046
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,800
stopped being a kiss fan. I just got dragged into

1047
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,280
other stuff that was more like.

1048
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:06,079
Speaker 1: I always say that we as kiss fans, we are

1049
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:09,559
the scientologists of rock and roll. You think about it.

1050
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:13,599
We worship these gods from outer space. They take all

1051
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:16,519
of our money, and if you say anything bad about them,

1052
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,800
we will cut you. The only difference is scientologists do

1053
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,199
not talk about scientology. Kiss fans never shut the fuck.

1054
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:30,519
Speaker 2: Up space space space. I mean I was always like,

1055
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,000
I mean, who isn't an Ace f Reely fan? I

1056
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:38,800
got almost I met Ace really once, only once for

1057
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:44,360
like thirteen seconds. We were at some point I was

1058
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,000
in I had a guitar endorsement. We were indorsing. I

1059
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:52,119
was indorsing Paul reed Smith guitars okay, and Paul would

1060
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:54,360
do this thing where he would like he would like

1061
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,920
go to New York and he had his like combo

1062
01:02:57,079 --> 01:02:59,880
which were like you know some guys who were set

1063
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:03,679
players and they play like the hard Rock Cafe for

1064
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,360
like one or two nights and invite people up and

1065
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,480
they were like, hey, come down and play like you know,

1066
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:12,440
like sit in for a song or two, like a

1067
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:17,639
blue song. It's like Ace Reely's invited. Ace really says

1068
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:20,400
he's coming. I'm like, holy shit, I could like be

1069
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:25,360
one music in the mix with Ace Reely. That would

1070
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,199
be like amazing. So like everybody's hanging around, and like

1071
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,679
eventually the band's like, okay, whatever we're playing, got to

1072
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:35,880
sit in with those guys. They're really super nice guys

1073
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,840
and amazing. And then everybody like cleaned up and like

1074
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:42,719
had their drink extra drinks and like move their stuff

1075
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,480
out right, And I was just like, I can't remember

1076
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:48,440
what it was. I had somewhere to be like later,

1077
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,440
like much later at night, so I was like hanging around.

1078
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:54,280
Everybody had left, and I was like, all right, I'll

1079
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,480
get the fuck out of here. And I was walking

1080
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:59,880
towards the door and this guy comes in, Hey, man,

1081
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,559
where's the where's the fucking band? I was a band?

1082
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:10,440
And I was like, uh, you mean the band that

1083
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:14,039
like stopped like two and a half hours ago. He's like, uh,

1084
01:04:14,519 --> 01:04:17,440
this this place, you know, this is so stupid, like

1085
01:04:17,559 --> 01:04:21,480
this place socks or something. Well, everybody playing in the

1086
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:26,480
afternoon or it was already like two in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1087
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,639
I wasn't going to play a fucking afternoon. I was like,

1088
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:34,079
well they're gone. He was like, all right, thanks buddy,

1089
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,880
and I was like, hey, I medic is freely Yeah.

1090
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god. That is a perfect place to end, Glenn.

1091
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,039
I could, I could keep talking to you for hours.

1092
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,239
Thank you so much for doing this. This has been

1093
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,440
an absolute pleasure. Make sure you check out Still Deep.

1094
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:52,360
Hit him up on all of these streaming services. Uh

1095
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:59,159
and it helms out now. It's kung Fu kung Fu Grip,

1096
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,400
Hung Fu Grip. Thank you, thank you. I only had

1097
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:08,039
I have a fucking prol I mean whatever.

1098
01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure man, so good to hang with you.

1099
01:05:13,639 --> 01:05:14,400
Let's do it again.

1100
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: Please, man, you are welcome anytime we do one of

1101
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,199
these kiss shows. We'll we'll get you on and have

1102
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:19,639
some fun.

1103
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,599
Speaker 2: Oh please, please man, I love it.

1104
01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:26,559
Speaker 1: That'd be fucking great, Glenn, Glenn Cummings, everybody. Well there

1105
01:05:26,599 --> 01:05:31,480
you go, kids, Glenn Cummings, Scatter Brain, Luda Christ and

1106
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,199
Stone Deep. Make sure you guys check out the latest

1107
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:39,239
Stone Deep remastered reissued kung Fu Grip stuff from the nineties.

1108
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:45,119
It is very cool. You will thoroughly enjoy it. And yeah,

1109
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,440
I had a blast. Glenn Cummings. What a great guy.

1110
01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:51,599
I could have sat and talked to him for a

1111
01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:54,239
couple more hours at least. I hopefully he gets out

1112
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,719
here to Nashville Las Vegas at some point and we

1113
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,840
can sit down and have Bever Jason have a good

1114
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,960
old time. Maybe get him in studio. I don't, I'll see,

1115
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,320
but he has to come to Las Vegas first for

1116
01:06:05,519 --> 01:06:08,559
the app and uh be back in a couple of

1117
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:11,519
weeks obviously. I leave on Thursday for the Masses of

1118
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:15,000
Rock Cruise, which I am a host on every year.

1119
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:19,039
Not any trunk level host, but I am there. God

1120
01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:22,400
damn it, I am there. Love you, Ed, can't wait

1121
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,920
to see you, can't wait to see everybody. It's going

1122
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,719
to be a blast as frail. He's on the ball.

1123
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: I can't wait.

1124
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,039
Speaker 1: And so there, Cruise to the Edge. I get back

1125
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:33,280
on the thirteenth and hopefully post a show that I

1126
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,360
recorded on the Masses of Rock Cruise. We'll see, maybe

1127
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,920
it will happen, Maybe it will happen. All right, love

1128
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,639
you guys, I say, good day.