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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp, the

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<v Speaker 1>house Whisper on demand on the iHeartRadio app, talking about

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<v Speaker 1>anything and everything that you want to talk about regarding

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<v Speaker 1>your home. I want to talk to James. James, welcome home.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, thank you so much and I appreciate you taking

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<v Speaker 2>my call, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>You are welcome, sir. How can I help you?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 5>I've been running this home for the past ten years.

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<v Speaker 6>It's three bedroom, two and a half bats.

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<v Speaker 7>Approximately eleven hundred square feet. The owner decides he wants

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<v Speaker 7>to sell because he's going back to his country and

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<v Speaker 7>he hasn't put it out in the market yet.

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<v Speaker 2>On red Fend the house is approximately between eight lower

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<v Speaker 2>eight to eight twenty.

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<v Speaker 5>He wants to give me.

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<v Speaker 2>First DIBs at the at the house.

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<v Speaker 8>And there is some.

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<v Speaker 2>Fixes that the house's meets with the plumbing. There's termite,

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<v Speaker 2>the chimney has cracks, and then there's like multiple cracks

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the home.

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<v Speaker 8>I did get an inspector to come out yesterday. Unfortunately

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<v Speaker 8>he didn't inspect the foundation. Just by ayyballing it. He said,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, you're going to need someone to come check

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<v Speaker 8>out the foundation. There's going to be some.

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<v Speaker 2>Fixes that the house is going to have to be addressed.

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<v Speaker 5>My question to you is.

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<v Speaker 6>It was build in nineteen thirty six, that's about ninety

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<v Speaker 6>years old. Is it going to be a good investment,

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<v Speaker 6>is it going to be a headache in the long run?

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<v Speaker 6>And what would be a fair offer, because that's the

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<v Speaker 6>owner said, I'm not gonna fix anything that the house needs.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd rather give you credit on it. So what what's

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<v Speaker 6>your opinion being?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, really really good question, James. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 3>first of all, just so as not to disappoint you,

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of my answer, I can't give you

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<v Speaker 3>a number on it. I can't give you a number okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but because you know, there's just too many there are

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<v Speaker 3>too many variables. We don't know what's going on. But

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like you're in a good position to make

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<v Speaker 3>the decision. Okay. It sounds like he's being fair with you,

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<v Speaker 3>he's being honest, he's being straight up front. He says, listen,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not fixing anything, but I'd rather give you credit. Okay. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>so here are the layers that go into this layer.

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<v Speaker 3>Number One, you got to know from a realtor or two,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fair market value of the house is as

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<v Speaker 3>is as it sits right there. What are the comps?

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<v Speaker 3>What's fair and you get a sense of that. Number one.

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<v Speaker 3>Number two, you've had the home inspection done. Now home

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<v Speaker 3>inspection start is. The whole purpose of a home inspection

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<v Speaker 3>is to find any potential things that could be an issue. Plumbing, foundation,

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<v Speaker 3>you know where why you know, a house built in

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen thirties, you know, may have cracks, cracks in

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<v Speaker 3>the plaster, cracks in the ceiling. Does not necessarily mean

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<v Speaker 3>that the ceiling is failing. It just means that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's almost one hundred year old house at this point,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe those things have been neglected for a while,

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<v Speaker 3>so he wants to give you first DIBs all. What

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<v Speaker 3>you need to do, if you're seriously thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 3>is to do your due diligence. In other words, if

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<v Speaker 3>you know that if the home inspector has said somebody

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<v Speaker 3>should look at the foundation, then you got to get

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<v Speaker 3>a foundation company out there to take a look at

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<v Speaker 3>the foundation. Uh, one who's going to give you a

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<v Speaker 3>thorough inspection and a price. That's what the home inspector

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<v Speaker 3>isn't doing. His job is to simply alert you to

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<v Speaker 3>issues that he finds. He's not giving you an estimate

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<v Speaker 3>of value. You need to get a couple of foundation companies.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is how I would support my justification for

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<v Speaker 3>the credit. I would have more than one contractor, a

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<v Speaker 3>reputable contractor in every category of concern come out to

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<v Speaker 3>the house. So if there's a potential foundation issue, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>get two bids, two estimates from them, number one, so

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<v Speaker 3>that you can show them, Hey, you know all the

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<v Speaker 3>guys who look at the house, are they all have

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<v Speaker 3>a consensus? You know, they all agree it should be this,

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<v Speaker 3>this and this and this is the ballpark price for

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<v Speaker 3>getting this done. Somebody to take a look at the framing,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody to look at the plumbing, and so on. A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of stuff when it comes to an older home

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<v Speaker 3>may be superficial. But when you mentioned plumbing and foundation work,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not superficial stuff. That stuff that needs to be

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<v Speaker 3>seriously addressed. And what you do is you simply compile

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<v Speaker 3>together the costs to you of realistically bringing the house,

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<v Speaker 3>not making it brand spanking new in terms of every finish,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's that's not you know, we're not crediting, we're

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<v Speaker 3>not asking for a credit to make a house that's

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<v Speaker 3>been you know, a little old, it has a dingy

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<v Speaker 3>paint job to get it all bright and shiny. Because

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<v Speaker 3>that's not the point. Okay, the house gets evaluated at

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<v Speaker 3>the price that it's in given the condition, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you say, listen, you know there's sixty thousand dollars worth

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<v Speaker 3>of things here that have to be done to the house.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you willing to take sixty off the price,

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<v Speaker 3>then you know, maybe we're talking about me buying this

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<v Speaker 3>house from.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, perfect, great advice and neither more so peace of mind. Soel, definitely,

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<v Speaker 5>I do have plumber coming out tomorrow, and I do

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<v Speaker 5>have someone that's gonna look at the foundation. But to

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<v Speaker 5>get a second opinion, I think that would also ease

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<v Speaker 5>the homeowner and say, well, it's just one person's opinion.

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<v Speaker 5>I suppose to there's.

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<v Speaker 3>Two, yeah, exactly. And that's the thing is that it's

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<v Speaker 3>not See, it's really easy to argue down from a

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<v Speaker 3>negotiating standpoint. It's really easy to argue down the idea like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh so you had Joe blow come out and they

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<v Speaker 3>gave you a crazy price. It's completely different to say, listen,

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<v Speaker 3>I had three builders look at this specific prom I

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<v Speaker 3>had three plumbers look at this, and I'm here. Let

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<v Speaker 3>me show you they're written estimates. You see consensus between

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<v Speaker 3>them all. This is at least a fifteen thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>plumbing job. That's what I'm saying, between three different licensed

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<v Speaker 3>plumbers and a couple of different foundation You see how

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<v Speaker 3>that takes the argument to a completely different level. Plus

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<v Speaker 3>it gives you peace of mind that you're not missing

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<v Speaker 3>anything along the way. So, James, I think you're headed

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<v Speaker 3>in the right direction. Just my opinion would be double up,

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<v Speaker 3>at least double up on the estimates so that you

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<v Speaker 3>really are standing on solid ground when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>the house. Good luck, my friend, and thanks for your call,

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for listening, thanks for your confidence in asking me

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<v Speaker 3>the question.

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<v Speaker 9>All right, you're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on

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<v Speaker 9>demand from KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about a great architectural design being theater, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm using the idea of theater or movies, movies or plays,

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<v Speaker 3>cinema and theater as things that your elements of artistic

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<v Speaker 3>endeavor that you're more familiar with than you are evaluating

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<v Speaker 3>an architectural space for improving its design. So I want

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<v Speaker 3>to get your head more into your home, knowing what

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<v Speaker 3>to look at, where to look, how to look at

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<v Speaker 3>a space, to try and figure out what is wrong

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<v Speaker 3>with this room, how can I make it better? And

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<v Speaker 3>we're using cinema and theater as a metaphor for that,

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<v Speaker 3>as a tool to get in your head because it's

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<v Speaker 3>so so very true, it's so applicable. Of course, not

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<v Speaker 3>everything is this equal across the board, but already, already

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<v Speaker 3>I think we've crossed some boundaries and opened up your

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<v Speaker 3>thinking in terms of how you evaluate a room. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to be going back to that in a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>But middle of the show right now, the ten o'clock

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<v Speaker 3>hour means we're taking calls, and that is always a

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<v Speaker 3>pleasure and a joy for me as well. So let's

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<v Speaker 3>go back to the phones. I want to talk to Sandy. Hey, Sandy,

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<v Speaker 3>welcome home, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 10>Hi.

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<v Speaker 11>I just have a quick question about an air conditioner

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<v Speaker 11>versus the heat pump. Sure, And we live in Marino

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<v Speaker 11>Valley and out closer to the desert, and we have

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<v Speaker 11>a single story, nineteen hundred square foot home and it

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<v Speaker 11>was built in two thousand and two, and the air

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<v Speaker 11>conditioners still running from then, but we just put a

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<v Speaker 11>capacitor in and it's still going. But wanted to kind

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<v Speaker 11>of get some head up about heads up about whether

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<v Speaker 11>heat pump. We spoke with the air conditioning gentleman, but

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<v Speaker 11>he wasn't really excited about the heat pump. He said,

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<v Speaker 11>they've had problems with them. So I just want to

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<v Speaker 11>get your ideas on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So my first idea is talk with more than

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<v Speaker 3>one air conditioning gentleman. Okay, when it comes to that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, everybody has their experiences with things, but I

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<v Speaker 3>am I'm actually I'm surprised, and not surprised, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've got I got I know plumbers out

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<v Speaker 3>there who are still telling me that you know, putting

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<v Speaker 3>in copper piping is way better than pecks, or that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, everybody's got their thing. Everybody's got their thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But you want to educate yourself on a wider spectrum.

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<v Speaker 3>So as the homeowner, I want you to have two

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<v Speaker 3>or three I would say three at a minimum, ac

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<v Speaker 3>take a look at the house and evaluate it and

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<v Speaker 3>talk to you about it. Honestly, I have a very

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<v Speaker 3>very different opinion about that than the one that the

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<v Speaker 3>gentleman expressed to you, which is that heat pumps are

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<v Speaker 3>probably very very they're very much becoming, especially here in

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<v Speaker 3>California and in more temperate climates and even in more

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<v Speaker 3>severe cold climates. Get pumps are gaining ground like no

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<v Speaker 3>other innovation in the HVAC industry in a long, long,

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<v Speaker 3>long time. And it really doesn't Yeah.

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<v Speaker 11>Go ahead. He was something concerned about something about the

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<v Speaker 11>free on issue. Yeah, there's something he was talking about.

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<v Speaker 11>There's things going on with the free on about new

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<v Speaker 11>ones and old ones and getting it and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 11>I guess there were some free on questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So that sounds like that you may be a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit confused or maybe he wasn't really clear about

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<v Speaker 3>certain things. Free on is a kind of refrigerant that

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<v Speaker 3>we don't use anymore. It's out of date and older.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty thirty year old AC has a free on, a

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<v Speaker 3>kind of free on in it that is not available anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>And so in terms of like, you know, when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes time to upgrade, do you just keep repairing the

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<v Speaker 3>old unit and keep it going. The question is, next

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<v Speaker 3>time you have to charge that thing up with the

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<v Speaker 3>refrigerant that is no longer being sold or manufactured, you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be paying a mint for it because the

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<v Speaker 3>only free on that's out there right now available is

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<v Speaker 3>free on that has been bled off of old units

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<v Speaker 3>that are being removed. So it's like it's like an

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<v Speaker 3>antique now. And so that piece of furniture, now that

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<v Speaker 3>it's been labeled antique, is like ten times more expensive

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<v Speaker 3>than it normally would be. So there are new refrigerants,

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<v Speaker 3>better refrigerants in existing modern units that you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to have that worry. That's a kind of a different conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>But let me just very quickly explain the heat pump.

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<v Speaker 3>The heat pump is really not about the AC. A

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<v Speaker 3>heat pump question is whether you're going to buy an

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<v Speaker 3>AC unit that is also a heat pump and that

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<v Speaker 3>replaces not the air conditioner, but it replaces your gas

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<v Speaker 3>in reverse. So during the hot summer months, the air

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, And are they a lot more expensive?

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<v Speaker 3>They are more expensive than just a standard unit. But

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<v Speaker 3>Either you get your less expensive air conditioner that only

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<v Speaker 3>a wash across the board. Sandy. So here's my advice again,

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<v Speaker 3>talk to two three at least vetted, well reputed, well

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<v Speaker 3>pump and not discouraging you away from it. They don't really,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't have problem. I don't know what do you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think what he meant was problems with maintaining your

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<v Speaker 3>They're very, very very reliable. There is really as you

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<v Speaker 3>are conditioning you is because they are essentially you're air

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<v Speaker 3>conditioning you. It's just one that has a reverse gear

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<v Speaker 3>to it. Essentially it's a metaphor. But that's the way

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<v Speaker 3>it works. Sandy. Thank you for your question. I've got

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<v Speaker 3>But again, again, like I harp on so often, get

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<v Speaker 9>You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on Demand from

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<v Speaker 3>Home. This is the place where every weekend we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about turning your ordinary house into an extraordinary home. No

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<v Speaker 3>better way to do that than to understand how great

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<v Speaker 3>you want them to give you. Get back to that

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<v Speaker 3>conversation just a bit. But we're in the middle hour

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<v Speaker 3>here of the program, which means we're taking calls, which

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<v Speaker 3>And let's go to one of our directors right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to talk to Beth. Hey, Beth, welcome home,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Dian.

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<v Speaker 10>So the question is what is the bare minimum that

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<v Speaker 10>we need to do to keep a property alive, if

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<v Speaker 10>you will, because the property is going to be closed,

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<v Speaker 10>has been closed for about eight months, then it will

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<v Speaker 10>be closed for a little while until one of the

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<v Speaker 10>assisted living, and it doesn't exist to sell the house

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<v Speaker 10>because they are going to pay huge capital gain taxes,

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<v Speaker 10>so we're going to wait until one dies. They don't

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<v Speaker 10>need the money. So but I'm nervous that the house

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<v Speaker 3>Ah Okay, well it's a good question, the really good question, Beth.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure anybody's asked me that in that way before. So,

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<v Speaker 3>first of all, where is the house as far as Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so you're here in southern California. So the reason I

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<v Speaker 3>asked that is because there are different requirements for doing

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<v Speaker 3>this for different homes across the country. Obviously, when it

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<v Speaker 3>are things. There's additional things i'd say that have to

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<v Speaker 3>be added to the maintenance of an empty house, including

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<v Speaker 3>not just not just putting in bleeder valves so that

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<v Speaker 3>the pipes don't freeze, and water plumbing, but also I

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<v Speaker 3>would suggest at least running the bare minimum amount of

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<v Speaker 3>moderate temperature. But here in southern California that's not as

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<v Speaker 3>the temperature shifts to extremes. If you're in an extreme

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<v Speaker 3>of an unoccupied house is to keep the temperature within

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<v Speaker 3>a moderate mid range. And that, you know, not a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people think about that. That a neglected home,

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<v Speaker 3>meaning a house that just doesn't have anybody living in it,

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<v Speaker 3>goes through more temperature extremes, and as a result, the

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<v Speaker 3>expansion of materials during hot weather, the contraction of materials

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<v Speaker 3>during cold weather can cause cracking in walls to start

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<v Speaker 3>in Hinton Beach not so much an issue, right, very

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<v Speaker 3>very temperate. Your main concern there will be letting, making

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<v Speaker 3>sure that somebody's dropping by and flushing toilets and running

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<v Speaker 3>water in all of the sinks. Okay. And here's why.

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<v Speaker 3>There's this little thing underneath every sink and in every

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<v Speaker 3>drain in the house called the pea trap. Okay. It's

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<v Speaker 3>that way, not because we're peeing in it, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>traps water. Okay, it's a trap for water. That water

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<v Speaker 3>that's in the pea trap is what's keeping sewer gases

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<v Speaker 3>air inside the house. Okay, that's why the houses that

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<v Speaker 3>have been not lived in for a long time, and

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<v Speaker 3>realtors who have not been doing their due diligence as

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<v Speaker 3>you'll open up a door and you're like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 3>enough that it can start to permeate walls and things

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<v Speaker 3>like that. We don't want that to happen. So the

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<v Speaker 3>key is the reason that happens is because if those

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<v Speaker 3>in the pea trap starts to evaporate out. And when

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<v Speaker 3>elements are inside the house. So as something as simple

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<v Speaker 3>as getting by the house every week or so and

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<v Speaker 3>just spending five minutes turning on faucets, turning on the shower,

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<v Speaker 3>letting it run for about thirty seconds, turning them off,

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<v Speaker 3>and going your merry way is going to keep the

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<v Speaker 3>house smelling normal. And apart from that, there's not a

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<v Speaker 3>whole lot at eight ten months a year, not a

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<v Speaker 3>whole lot you've got to do on the inside of

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<v Speaker 3>a house obviously, keep things watered on the outside, and

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<v Speaker 10>How about the heater. Should I turn the heater onto

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you can always, you know, run the heater

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<v Speaker 3>just to keep dust from building up in the ducts

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<v Speaker 3>and or on the heater element. Sometimes you know that

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<v Speaker 3>the first time you run the heater after you know,

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<v Speaker 3>long summer, it's you're like, smells like burning dust. Well

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<v Speaker 3>it kind of is, right, It can't hurt to do

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<v Speaker 3>that for a couple of minutes. Same with the air conditioner,

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<v Speaker 3>just to keep things limber and moving along. But again

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<v Speaker 3>not in the same way of trying to keep the

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, great, well that that gives me a piece of mind.

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<v Speaker 3>You're very very welcome, Beth, and good luck on just

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<v Speaker 3>keeping that house in good maintenance while nobody's inside. All right, y'all,

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<v Speaker 3>more of your calls when we return.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to go back to the phones. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk to Peter. Hey, Peter, welcome home, Good morning.

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<v Speaker 4>Being Dean. I have a second house up in the

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<v Speaker 4>mountains in a high very high risk fire area, and

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<v Speaker 4>I've been kind of researching the type of roof I

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<v Speaker 4>want to put gotta the roof has been on the

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<v Speaker 4>house now for about thirty five years. But I understand

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<v Speaker 4>metal roofs are the best fireproof roofs, and they come

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<v Speaker 4>in all sorts of types. I guess, uh, they got

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<v Speaker 4>metal shake roofs, metal slate roofs, commercial panels, metal shingles,

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<v Speaker 4>and I currently have a normal shingle roof on the house. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of want your opinion on a metal roof.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand that they can rust, they they're they're they're heavier,

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<v Speaker 4>uh with a wood underneath, but I don't know whether

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<v Speaker 4>it's you know by words you go to a shingle roof.

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<v Speaker 4>They have fireproof shingle roofs that go of course with

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<v Speaker 4>the vanguard bench also, But I just need your your

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, uh, I say, when you say you've got normal shingles,

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<v Speaker 3>do you mean you've got wood shingles on the house

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<v Speaker 4>No? No, not would Uh. I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 4>what they're made out of, but their shape.

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<v Speaker 3>Some kind of Okay. So so here's the thing. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>when I say this, because people ask me all the time, uh, hey, Dean,

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<v Speaker 3>what kind of roof should we put up there to

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<v Speaker 3>make sure the house is as fire safe as possible?

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<v Speaker 3>And my answer is always this. It's like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>any roof that you want up there, because there isn't

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<v Speaker 3>a single roof in the state of California that the

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<v Speaker 3>State of California will approve that isn't a class A

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<v Speaker 3>fire rated roofing material. And that means everything asphalt composition

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<v Speaker 3>to metal roofs, to Spanish tile, to slate roofs, to

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<v Speaker 3>all seriousness. Now, of course, you know, if you were

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<v Speaker 3>your roofing material. Some roofs would give way before others.

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<v Speaker 3>But the fact of the matter is, the fact on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground is that houses don't burn down. They burn up.

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<v Speaker 3>Fire burns up. Okay, And you can talk to any

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<v Speaker 3>local fire captains. They will tell you that they don't

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<v Speaker 3>come onto the scene to find houses with their roofs

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<v Speaker 3>on fire. Okay. Now, I know when you watch local

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<v Speaker 3>news coverage of the devastating fires, you see these gigantic

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<v Speaker 3>of the roof of the house. That is not the

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<v Speaker 3>roof catching fire and burning down. Okay, unless it's like

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<v Speaker 3>some house that's still for some bizarre reason, has a

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<v Speaker 3>shake shingle, real wood roof. That is not the house

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<v Speaker 3>the roof catching on fire and burning down, because that's

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<v Speaker 3>not the direction that fire travels. Fire burns up. So

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<v Speaker 3>a class A fire rated roof is the only kind

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<v Speaker 3>of roof that you're going to be able to put

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<v Speaker 3>on your home. All of the materials that you can

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<v Speaker 3>choose from are going to be the same. The most

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<v Speaker 3>important thing that you can ask, the biggest question to

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<v Speaker 3>ask in fire rating your roof assembly is is not

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<v Speaker 3>should I have metal roof versus versus composite shingles versus

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<v Speaker 3>tile versus concrete. The most important question you can ask is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know I've already brought it up, and that's what

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<v Speaker 3>are my vents made out of? Are they ember proof

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<v Speaker 3>vents as far as allowing embers into the attic space,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's what catches on fire and burns a hole

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<v Speaker 3>in the roof from underneath. And the bigger question is,

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<v Speaker 3>or I should say an equal question is what kind

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<v Speaker 3>of material am I going to put on the eaves

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<v Speaker 3>the overhang that the the soft underbelly of the tortoise shell,

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<v Speaker 3>as it were, the part of the roof that is

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<v Speaker 3>overhanging that flame can get to from up underneath. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So I am far more prone as a designer and

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<v Speaker 3>a builder to advise my clients to, hey, let's spend

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<v Speaker 3>extra money on the eves. Let's box in the eves.

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<v Speaker 3>Or if we're gonna if the look of the house

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<v Speaker 3>is to be exposed wood elves, because those are wood

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<v Speaker 3>rafter tails that are sticking out, they're exposed to flame.

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<v Speaker 3>What are we going to do with those? And we

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<v Speaker 3>don't have to treat those like Fort Knox either. We

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<v Speaker 3>can simply spend extra money when it comes to paint

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<v Speaker 3>and paint the underside of the overhang of our eves

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<v Speaker 3>with efflorescent fireproof paint, so that a combination of any

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<v Speaker 3>class A fire rated roofing material, which is what you

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<v Speaker 3>have to put on anyway by code, plus a fireproof

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<v Speaker 3>painted eves. And I only say the eaves because fireproof

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<v Speaker 3>paint is very expensive, so I only want you to

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<v Speaker 3>put it on the overhang of the of the eves

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<v Speaker 3>and ember proof vents. That combination Peter. Honestly, it's all

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<v Speaker 3>you need to not worry about the house from the

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<v Speaker 3>roof perspective, and why wildfire. And I say that so

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<v Speaker 3>that we're not leading people astray. Metal roofs are great,

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<v Speaker 3>tile roofs are great. Shingled roofs are great. As a designer,

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<v Speaker 3>I look to the builder in me and I say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>what's the best one. The builder in me says, doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 3>pick your choice, and so that frees up the designer

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<v Speaker 3>to put on the kind of class A roof that

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<v Speaker 3>works best with the design of the house without putting

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<v Speaker 3>it in any way, shape or form at risk does

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<v Speaker 3>that make sense.

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<v Speaker 4>That makes a lot of sense, And I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 4>your input. All right, Okay, thank you very very much.

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<v Speaker 3>You are very very well competed. I hope that doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>confuse I hope it just opens up your opportunities and

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<v Speaker 3>your options for what to do with house. Plus, may

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<v Speaker 3>you know, not open your wallet as much because metal

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<v Speaker 3>roofs are as beautiful as they are, they're also one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most expensive roofs that you can put on

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<v Speaker 3>a house. And I'm not saying there isn't a place

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<v Speaker 3>for a metal roof. I would. I'm far more prone

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<v Speaker 3>directly men a metal roof in because of snow than

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<v Speaker 3>I am because of fire. So let me just make

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<v Speaker 3>that really clear. Because metal roofs, standing seam metal roofs,

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<v Speaker 3>not shingled metal roofs. They catch as much snow as

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<v Speaker 3>any shingled roof, but the standing seam metal roof it

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<v Speaker 3>handles snow in a way that most other roofs don't,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the teflon effects, so you don't get a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of snow load up on the roof. So we're

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<v Speaker 3>more prone to doing that with metal roofs than we

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<v Speaker 3>are worrying about metal and wildfire versus other materials. Just

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<v Speaker 3>want everybody to understand houses burn up, they don't burn down.

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<v Speaker 3>Fire ignites and it travels up right. You've never seen

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<v Speaker 3>a fireplace where the flames are going down from the log.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always when we light a fire wood fire in

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<v Speaker 3>a fireplace, we're trying to catch the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 3>log on fire, and then it will eventually burn up

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<v Speaker 3>through the rest of that material until there's nothing else

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<v Speaker 3>to burn fire. We could expose all sorts of flame

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<v Speaker 3>material to the top surface of your roof down and

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<v Speaker 3>not see anything happen. I mean, we might char the roof,

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<v Speaker 3>we might even melt part of it. But a class

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<v Speaker 3>A fire roof, rated fireroof is the only kind of

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<v Speaker 3>material you can buy in the state of California to

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<v Speaker 3>put on a roof. So you don't have to worry

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<v Speaker 3>about whether the roofing material itself is better or worse

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<v Speaker 3>for fire. You should worry about your vents and your eaves.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go, that's why you're here, all right. You're

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<v Speaker 3>listening to Dean Sharp the House Whisperer on KFI.

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