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Speaker 1: The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is

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your host, Doge Hobbs.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time

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for another edition of the fact Hunder podcast as we

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record on this Monday morning, March second, twenty twenty six.

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Hope everybody had a great weekend. This is a very

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busy week. We have two interviews as promised. Today we

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have Jeff Fish we'll be talking about Abolitionist Rising, and

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don't forget. Wednesday, we have Grace's dad, Scott Schara, joining us.

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His book is coming out on March tenth, So we

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have two great conversations this week. And we have at

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least two substack articles, one dropping tomorrow and I think

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one dropping Thursday. So busy week, and one housekeeping item.

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I am going to be on vacation next week if

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something you know huge happens. And don't forget, by the way,

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tomorrow's March there's your thirty three, so keep your head

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on a swivel. But otherwise, the wife and I are

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going to take some downtime before we start the next

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semester and spring gets here and the chickens arrive, you

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know how it goes. So there's the housekeeping portion of

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the podcast. We're going to bring on today's special guest

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joining us from the great state of Oklahoma. Been there

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several times. Beautiful town, beautiful city, Tulsa, Oklahoma City, great people.

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He's struggling with a cold. Today it's a freezing forty

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seven degrees and we're going to bring them on the show.

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Here he is this Jeff Fish. Jeff, thank you so

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much for taking the time out to join us today.

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Speaker 4: It's my pleasure. George. I've been looking forward to reaching

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out to you for a long time, and you have

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another podcast I was going to be on and then

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that one ended, but thankfully it came back on and

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so that's kind of what brought you and I together.

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But we thought that, or you thought that it would

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be a good idea to have me on this one today,

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and I'm happy to do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And we'll certainly have you on the other one

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to share your journey in the very near future as well.

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But you know, the subject we're going to talk about

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today is something that is it's it's funny because it's

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considered divisive. It's even considered divisive and many denominations within

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the churches here in America. And but John Macarthurs, somebody

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who I read often, you know, talks about the Great Holocaust.

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One people who aren't in Christ. Number two all the

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the babies that are slaughtered in the womb. And that

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is something very near and dear to my heart that

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I think we as followers of Christ need to treat

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life with the utmost of respect. And the Bible warns

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us of, you know, those who bring harm to little ones.

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But you know, instead of me rambling, I think the

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right thing to do. Let's have you introduced yourself and

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kind of how you you know, stumbled onto Abolitionist Rising

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and your mission.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, my name is Jeff and I now live

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in Oklahoma, and that's been a long journey to get here.

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Parents are from Arkansas, both of them from the Deep South.

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They wound up in Colorado. I was born there. Just

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take a guess which day I was born on. George, Oh,

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I have no idea is in context with what we're

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Speaker 3: So, oh, what was it when they passed Rover Versus Wade?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, January twenty second, nineteen seventy three was the day

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I was born. That's right.

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Speaker 3: I dropped a substack on that day because it was

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the fifty third anniversary. I think it was seventy three's

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when it happened. And if you look at that, well,

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I think it's between sixteen seventy million abortions over the

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last you know, fifty three years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just the ones that we can count. We

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actually had abolitionists rising. My good friend Russell Hunter. T

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Russell Hunter. He's a he's a brilliant man. If you

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were allowed to worship a human being, he'd be a

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good candidate, but you know, we're not allowed to. And

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he's a sinner just like me. But he's a he's

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a fabulous artist. He's a he's a great speaker, he's

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a great thinker, and he makes he makes some pretty

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interesting already made a bill that that it looks like money,

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but it had fifty three the value of fifty three

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in the corners. And our good President Donald Trump is

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featured in there, and in his head is turned away

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from child sacrifice. It has taken place in the nation,

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and he has his red hat on and it it

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doesn't show what's written on the red hat. We know

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it's usually written on the red hat, which is make

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America great again. But his hat says goat nation g

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O A T. He is the head of a goat nation.

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is going to separate the nations the sheep from the goats,

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and he is the head of a goat nation. Anyway,

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decent upbringing, kind of an unstable childhood. Father was always

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mom and my brothers raised me. I was the youngest

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of three boys. Anyway, my parents split the sheets when

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her when I was in the seventh grade. She and

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high school nineteen ninety one, went into the army about

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a half a year later, went into the army band

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and stayed in for eight years. She and I married

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the army ninety two, and we've been together since. So

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what is that thirty three years now working on her

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thirty fourth. Anyway, I was not a Christian. I considered

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myself a Christian because I was, you know, I believed

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in God, but I wasn't. I mean, we went to

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church occasionally, but not all the time. My parents were

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both alcoholics, into drugs, very unstable marriage. They were married

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for twenty three years actually, And so anyway, I thought

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know what that meant. I didn't know. I knew I

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wasn't following God and everything because I was pretty sinful.

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I was. I would lie when the truth sounded better.

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many times by my father in law. Anyway, So while

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I was in Germany nineteen ninety seven, I finally surrendered.

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I was in deep moral depravity, doing a lot of

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harm to my wife and just just to everybody, other

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people's families, and I finally surrendered. I kind of I

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hated who I was, you know, I knew I was

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a liar. I was constantly making up stories and yeah,

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and I would, I would cheat to cheat lie. You know,

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it all goes hand in hand, all sin goes hand

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in hand. And I wasn't faithful to my wife, and

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you know, God preserved us through all of that. But

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it was it was through that time in my life

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where I knew that I was in big trouble with God.

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believed in him, and I always there was no question

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that he was real. But I finally surrendered and and

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one day and I told him, I said, you know,

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for months and uh, and I said, but I want,

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I want to be a Christian. I want to follow God. Now. Anyway,

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that was October of ninety seven. So and and I

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tell you you hear stories like this from people who

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are who talk about their Christian journey, from their life

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before Christ, living as you know, really deep sinners, to

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what it means to be made new, to be regenerated,

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to be regiemed that happened to me. I mean, colors

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looked different to me. Sounds and smells they were all.

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people who've been through that know what I'm talking about.

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the Bible. I was in the army, so you know,

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you know, we wore BDU's battle dress uniform. We have

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cargo pockets. I kept a Bible in my right cargo pocket.

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Bible and start reading and memorizing scripture. That was just

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what I did to cope with it. And so I

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memorized a lot of scripture that way. Anyway, up until

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that point, I wasn't paying attention to really anything on

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the world stage. In my own little world, I was.

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the person that I voted for first as president, my

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first time voting, when I was eighteen. Was my governor,

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Bill Clinton. I voted for him because my dad told

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me I'm a Democrat, that Republicans were evil, and you know,

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I was happy to vote for my government. He's he's

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my governor, he's on my team. You know, he's head

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of my state. So I voted for him, but I

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couldn't tell you that he he got re elected. I

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didn't even notice that that happened. That's how self centered

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after I was saved and I surrendered, bowed the need

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of Christ, I started paying attention to things, Like things

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started mattering to me, like even politics, and I kind

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of got involved in that, like listening to all the

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talking heads, you know, the Republican talking heads, and so

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whereas an abortion was never anything to me, it became

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like the thing that it was a litmus test or

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like I can't vote for somebody if they weren't if

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they aren't at least pro life, if they if they

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said that they were pro life, then I could consider them,

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all these other things that we're concerned about, our freedoms,

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they took a back seat to life. Because if you

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don't have life, then you don't have anything else. So

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pro life. Well, fast forward after having a baby, a

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baby that had special needs. By the way, my first

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child with Down syndromes. It's been such a blessing. But

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and that was the main problem. She had cerebral palsy

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womb because of a blood disorder. So she came into

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the womb, you know, traumatically. It really affected our lives

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so much that I just We were then stationed in

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Missouri at Fort hunard Wood and needed to get get

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small community church if you've ever heard of them. They're

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of believe like they do during during you know, like

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the time. And anyway, it was a very respectful, very

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I shouldn't say, a TV evangelist. He was an evangelist.

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Many might know him, can't hovend he He was from

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from the north, the north, but he he he wound

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up down in Pensacola, Florida, and he had a a

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website called doctor dno dot com. He was the head

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of creation Science evangelism. He went around at churches speaking

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on creation science, evolution, and dinosaurs. And that really intrigued

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me that in Bible prophecy. So started studying all that.

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But during this time, I was a consumer of information,

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just constantly consuming things. But I wasn't really I wasn't

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sharing my faith with people, my way of sharing my faith,

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And it was like a terrifying thing. I'm you know,

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I'm a man pleaser that I've always known that about myself.

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That's That's why I was a liar so much, because

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I wanted to please man, I wanted to be accepted.

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A very insecure person, I was scared to share the

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Gospel with people, and I probably couldn't very well. So

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I would just you know, like get up the nerve

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to invite people to church. And that was like terrifying

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because I was afraid of rejection. So I'm studying all

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these things, and you know, I would consider myself very

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bold if I like talked about them with people like

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coworkers and family and friends, but never sharing the gospel.

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And this is kind of interesting. One of my reasons

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in getting out of the military, not just because of

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my daughter. I wanted to become a police officer and

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I had an incident in Germany. You remember force protection, Yeah,

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of course. Yeah. Yeah, So for people who don't know,

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like overseas is where I got to experience force force protection.

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And that's if you're at a military installation and there's

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like a known thread or if there's a heightened level

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of security.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if they raised the threat con levels, like even

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when you drive here on the Dover Air Force Base,

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it'll let you know what the current threat con is.

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And when the bombing started on Saturday, they raised it.

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The folks at the front gate instead of just wearing

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their uniforms and a hat, they have their otvs on,

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they have their weapons with them. So you know, as

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world events change, so does the threat cons on these bases.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was. I was an E five. Now

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remember I'm an Army bandsman. But Army bandsmen are first

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trained as soldiers. We have, yeah, we have a secondary mission.

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They used to be combat life savers combat medics, but

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over time they switched them to being They ended up

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becoming the security force for their general, a forty member

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unit that was attached to the general. Anytime he went

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on deployment, the band went with them as a security detachment.

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So we controlled the skiff, the talk, not the skiff,

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but the talk, the tactical Operations Center and anyway. So

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we would be sent out to different parts of the

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base or other facilities, US facilities in Germany and control

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the access to those places. So I'm armed, locked and loaded.

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I'm the n c O. I C at a checkpoint

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in Wisbaden, Germany, and I'm within sight of where the

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UH the PX is and and somebody came running out

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of there, running from there, and then a woman came

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behind him and said, stop him. He just robbed us. Well,

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I didn't want to shoot him, so I handed my

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my partner my weapon and took off after him. I

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ended up tackling him, arrested him. I don't you know,

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I don't even have handcuffs. I tackled him and held

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him down until the police came. And anyway, it was

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a big deal. I got reprimanded by my commander for

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doing that. He said, I put myself in danger and

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never do that again. And I'm I'm kind of confused

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because like everybody else was saying, you did a great job. Well,

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that incident affected my life. It kind of it changed

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the trajectory of what I wanted to do with my life.

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That adrenaline and the praise that came from that. My

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commander had to retract his reprimand because the six the

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colonel in charge of a fees in Europe, gave me

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an award for doing that. So all of a sudden,

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I wanted to be a cop. And uh so that

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was another reason for getting out of the military. I

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was going to go be part of the Colorado State patrol,

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thinking that I could just you know, military experience, I

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could be a walk on. Well that's not the case.

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Anybody who's in law enforcement knows how political it is. Basically,

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I would have had to have had a senator's letter

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or something like that. It's kind of like getting into,

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you know, one of the Ivy League military schools. You

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got to you have to know somebody otherwise, you know,

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seasoned police officers from decent departments, it takes them years

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to get on. Well, I tried three different times, went

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through the whole hiring process, and it didn't didn't happen.

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So in the meantime, I put myself through law enforcement

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Academy at a votech got certified, got hired on with

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the Sheriff's Department Glenwood Springs, Colorado, which is Garfield County,

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and I got hired on with a federal grant. So

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they were the federal government gave out a bunch of

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grants to hire police officers. So there were like thirty

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thousand a piece just to put them through training and

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cover all the expenses of getting them on the rolls.

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Well attached with that grant is the money would stay

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with the department if that if that officer stayed on

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ninety days, but if they left before ninety days, they

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had to give the remainder of the money back. They

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forfeited it. Day ninety of my training, I got pulled

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into the Sheriff's office. Everything had been going fine and

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I had not gotten in any trouble or anything like that,

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you know. I mean, I'm a new guy, so you know,

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learning learning, curve problems. But all I ever got was

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positive feedback from my ftos, my field training officers. You're

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going to be a good officer, Jeff, you're doing well.

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You need to work on this. And this got brought

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in this sheriff. I didn't really know anything about him

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other than he was pretty liberal. Said Jeff, you're going

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to be a good officer, but just not here. You

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don't fit in. And I already knew that was the case.

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I was a Christian and I didn't know any other

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Christians on the department at all, and so all of

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a sudden I didn't have a job. I went on

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to other things. But leading up to what I was saying,

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when I was in Grand Junction, Colorado, nine to eleven

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took place, and by this time, because I was listening

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to Kent Hovend the creation science evangelism evangelists. I was

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starting to learn that certain events that happened in the

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past weren't as they seemed he taught about the first

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thing that really opened my eyes was his teaching about

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what took place in Oklahoma City, the Oklahoma City bombing.

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He showed he showed evidence like news evidence like video

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video from the news that initially when the story broke

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that this building had blown up because of improvised explosive

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devices that were planted throughout and there were others that

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were found that were undetonated. That was the first bit

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of news that went out. And then all of a

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sudden he shows Kent Hoven showed the shift from that

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story to the news story, which was there was a

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yellow Rider truck and that had been arrested north of

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Oklahoma City by a Perry up in Perry, Oklahoma. Anyway,

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I don't know, it was something minor, like he had

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his license plate hanging off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly what it was. I think he didn't even

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have a license plate. This guy was so smart, but

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his getaway car didn't have a license plate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, and it never went back to they completely

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shifted the story, and I'm like, that's wicked. That was

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my first like, you know, I already knew about you know,

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like JFK and stuff. I wasn't really into that. I

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just knew that it wasn't as they said that. There's

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all these other theories out there, the man on the

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Hill and blah blah blah, the grassy knoll. So all

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that stuff started to make sense to me. And then

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nine to eleven took place. I didn't I didn't think

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anything about it, Like it didn't go off in my radar.

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I bought the narrative. And a year later, you know,

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Department of Homeland Security took off, and you know, the

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TSA Transportation Security Administration takes stuff away tough, you know

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what a hole. All the acronyms for t s A.

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I call them the blue shirt Nazis now because we

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we wore a blue uniform. Well, I I applied and

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got hired on with them with their first wave because

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I wanted to continue my federal service. I thought one

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day I'd be a federal cop of some sort. I

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know this is rambling, but this is still a part

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of my story. It's all. It's all interwoven. It's it's

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all about who I am and what I am becoming.

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So at that time, law enforcement was still on my

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on my sites, you know, in a good way and

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a bad way. The good the good part is I

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believe that most cops were good and well meaning and

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they just want to serve their country, their their their heroes.

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Right we have we have police officer worship in this country,

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or and veteran worship. We we revere police officers and

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veterans and you know, teachers and nurses and doctor and stuff.

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So and I was, you know, I was just a

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conservative Christian, you know, Republican that bought most of the narrative.

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So I wanted to become a cop. TSA was a

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stepping stone for that. I got hired on in Montrose, Colorado,

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which I transferred to Grand Junction, where I lived, and

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I stayed on there for about four and a half years.

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And then my in laws, who were who lived in

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Grand Junction were going to move back to Arkansas, so

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we wanted we wanted to stay close. They were fine

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with us like kind of moving with them. So I

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got a transfer to Tulsa and they were going to

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be in Northwest Arkansas, which was about an hour and

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a half away. Well, my transfer went through, I bought

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a house, sold my house in Colorado, just hot knife

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through butter and everything went through fine. Well, they got

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stuck in Colorado. Couldn't leave, they couldn't they couldn't get

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it job, they couldn't sell their house all that. So

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we got stuck in the Tulsa area, me working at

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the TSA in Tulsa for like two years and then

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we'd had enough of that. We were on an island,

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we didn't know anybody, we didn't have any family or

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friends nearby. So you know, in hindsight, I get to

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see where God allowed that time for me to become

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really close with my dad. And my dad was, you know,

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he was a really hard man, angry hard man, and

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I got to see a lot of softening towards the

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things of God. And he died while I was there.

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So that was a gift that the move to Tulsa.

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So anyway, another part of the TSA program you probably remember,

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they have behavior detection officers the SPOT program, screening passengers

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by observation techniques. Yep. Now, yeah, so I became one

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of those when the first rolled them out and did

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that at Tulsa for a little bit, and then they

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opened up a whole bunch of positions for that across

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the nation. We moved back to Colorado, went to Colorado Springs.

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This is where your your story and my story kind

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of crisscross a little bit. So I'm there in Colorado

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Springs from two thousand and the end of two thousand

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and eight until twenty nineteen, so you were probably there

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at that time. Yep. So still working for the TSA,

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still growing in Christ. But I would basically classify myself

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as a I would say I'm definitely saved, you know,

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in Christ, but still deceived on many different things, like

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still part of you know, buying the narrative of everything.

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But by this time, and now I'm seeing nine to

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eleven for what it really was, you know, the documentary

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Loose Change that and another small documentary that was made

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called Dplane sites plane being spelled like an airplane endplane sight.

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So I started watching all these documentaries and I'm like, Dad, gummut,

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they did it again, and this is horrible. And of

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course by this time, I can't keep my mouth shut.

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I'm running my mouth at work. I'm telling everybody I know,

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I'm on fire about this whole thing. It's like a

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huge cover up. Wolve's been pulled over our eyes. Nothing

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is as it seems. They start watching these documentaries by

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do you know the name Chris Pento? Okay, Chris Pento.

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He has all these like two three four hour documentaries

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that start exposing the founding of our nation and the

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people who were part of that founding and the secret

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societies that they belong to. And so I'm going down

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those rabbit holes nine to eleven Illuminati, secret societies, cults

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and all their connections, and my mind is being blown.

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And of course abortion is always kind of this thing. Well,

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twenty twelve is the election with Obama. But at the

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time I was trying to go for Santorum. For some reason,

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my brain was okay with voting for a Catholic that

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had a large family and he had a he had

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a son with Down syndrome or special needs, and that

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for that very basic reason, I was like, yeah, I

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want that guy. Well, he didn't get it. Rodney got it.

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And then I'm like, I'm not Mormon, and I don't

474
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:49,680
mean to hurt the Mormon audience out there, but so

475
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,640
I didn't want a Mormon. I'm a Christian. I'm a

476
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,599
follower of Christ, and I believe there are some true

477
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:01,839
followers of Rice that are Mormons. But I believe as

478
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,079
a whole, the Mormon Church is not of God. It's

479
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,960
very inception, just like Islam. So I know that's controversial,

480
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:14,400
but it's truth.

481
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's very controversial for our audience.

482
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,119
We just did a podcast on that, I think two

483
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,119
months ago.

484
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I'm sensitive to to how the things that

485
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,480
I say people and I know that. Yeah, so you know,

486
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:37,440
tend to lose people when you start talking about certain things. Well,

487
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,960
I had to work through that situation in my brain.

488
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,039
This was this was a pivotal point for me. This

489
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,680
is what this is where I became an abolitionist. And

490
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,200
I didn't even know what that meant. I didn't I

491
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,880
wasn't even aware of that word. Maybe maybe like had

492
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,160
to do a slavery, But that was a long time ago.

493
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,000
So I'm working through this. I'm like, why, he's my choice,

494
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:01,440
He's the thing, He's the person I have to choose.

495
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,880
You know, I can't choose Obama, and he's the only

496
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,200
other option I have if I want to participate in

497
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,519
this and not participating wasn't an option for me, or

498
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:14,640
at least I didn't see it as one. So but

499
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,119
during that time and going to the church that I

500
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,839
was going to, which was basically a John MacArthur church,

501
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:26,960
all the pastors were from the Master Seminary out in California,

502
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,799
where John MacArthur was the president of the Master Seminary

503
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:34,599
or whatever title it is. He's the head of it.

504
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,680
He founded it, so and he was you know, I eat,

505
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:44,000
slept and drank. John MacArthur and you know, Paul Washer

506
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:50,079
and all those guys. So going to this MacArthur Wite church,

507
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:57,039
very conservative church, very active as far as Bible studies,

508
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,519
doing stuff together as a group, as a community, and

509
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:05,319
doing things in the community to affect our community. Not

510
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,160
a member but just an attendee, but faithful attendees. My

511
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:15,279
family and I were. I started side note at the

512
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,160
airport there was a skycap guy who pushes people in

513
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,279
wheelchairs and stuff. He and I became friends. Had a

514
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,400
lot of downtime as a behavior detection officer. We have

515
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,279
free roam at the airport, can go wherever we want,

516
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,119
do whatever we want. Basically, so I spent a lot

517
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:32,680
of time talking to this guy, the skycap. We hung

518
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,000
out in the same area the airport while we're waiting

519
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:41,160
to do our job, and he's a Christian and he said,

520
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,519
you know, you know something you would be very good

521
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:46,119
at is have you ever heard of the Way of

522
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,079
the Master? And I'm like, yeah, now that's not my thing.

523
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:54,880
That's the Way of the Master Ray Comfort teaching how

524
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,640
to evangelize people, how to share the Gospel with people

525
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,400
by using the law and the Gospel, and I just

526
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:04,079
I remembered a pastor of mine from before who was

527
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:07,440
doing that, and I just it scared me, like it

528
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,599
was too like you had to have good knowledge of

529
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,199
a good grasp of things, and I didn't feel comfortable.

530
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,360
So I just felt like that wasn't my calling and

531
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,320
that wasn't what God made me to do. I'd talk

532
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,960
about other things, and he said, but you'd be very

533
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,519
good at it, and you ought to try it well.

534
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,559
I took his advice, went online that night and looked

535
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,599
up a video on the Way of the Master, and

536
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,199
I was hooked. I was like, this is easy. This

537
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,639
is like showing people, you know, asking people basically if

538
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,199
you're a good person most people would think they are,

539
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,320
and they answer yes, and then you actually take them

540
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,679
through the law of God and show them where they're

541
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,000
actually not a good person. And if God were to

542
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:55,480
judge them based on their answers, would they be found

543
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:59,440
innocent or guilty on the day of judgment? And honest,

544
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,679
you know, humble person usually answers that they'd begin and

545
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:05,840
then you share the Gospel with them. Well, so I

546
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,079
started doing that, and then I got involved with a

547
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:10,159
group who was actually going out on the streets and

548
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:14,280
doing that, and that was a very exciting time. And

549
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,159
because of that, I joined social media for the first time.

550
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,000
I hated it before this because my wife was always

551
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:24,480
on it and that was like her second husband and

552
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:27,679
she was always on like MySpace and then Facebook and

553
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,599
all that. But the street evangelists that I was with,

554
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:34,159
they said you ought to get involved with on Facebook,

555
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:38,280
connect with other like minded believers. And I did it reluctantly,

556
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:42,199
but it was very eye opening because I started with

557
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,159
really serious Christians who take who are taking their faith

558
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,639
seriously and putting their faith into action. They were Now

559
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:55,440
my feed was full of that and only that, and

560
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,039
so I'm I'm looking at all these amazing things. And

561
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,599
one thing I'm seeing being done or people or going

562
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:04,599
to the places where babies are actually being killed and

563
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,559
they're trying to rescue them. They're trying to rescue the women,

564
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,679
thus rescuing the baby. So they're outside of these abortion

565
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:15,559
I don't like calling them clinics because a clinic is

566
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:17,199
like a good place.

567
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:21,159
Speaker 3: We call them a hospital or something that where it's

568
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,440
pro health, where that's the exact opposite.

569
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 4: So we call them kill mills or abortion mills, the

570
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,280
baby murder place, you know, whatever you want to call it.

571
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,679
Just from a biblical worldview, it's where you go to

572
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,480
murder your baby. And so unlike most murders that take place,

573
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,280
or murders that were on my radar, you don't you

574
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,760
know when these murders are taking place, you know where

575
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,159
they're taking place, you know when they're taking place, and

576
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,039
who's doing it. And so it just makes sense that

577
00:36:55,159 --> 00:37:01,039
you would be there to intervene, to interpose, interposes, to

578
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:08,079
stand in between, you know, an evil intentioned person and

579
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:11,639
their intended victim. You interpose, you stand in between. So

580
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,320
that made sense to me, and I was like, we

581
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,480
have one of those in Colorado Springs. We have a

582
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,679
planned parenthood, and we have a big planned parenthood in

583
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:27,159
Denver anyway, So started doing that. Back to Romney, I

584
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:31,280
started seeing clips on social media how he says he's

585
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,159
pro life, like he was a Democrat. He passed Romneycare,

586
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,000
and part of Romneycare was I mean, underneath his leadership

587
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:46,320
as a governor, Romneycare paid for abortions up to twenty

588
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:53,079
six weeks gestation well passed byability. And I was just like, well,

589
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,880
he's not I don't care what he says. He's not

590
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,920
pro life. I can't vote for him. Talk about a

591
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,679
triggering thing to tell your friends who are very political,

592
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,320
even the good ones who are out on the streets

593
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,480
preaching the gospel, but they're very political too. Is that, Jeff,

594
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:10,800
you don't have a choice. If you don't vote for Rodney,

595
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,360
then you're voting for Obama. And I'm like, I don't

596
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,519
understand your reasoning. That doesn't make sense to me. I'm

597
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:22,280
not voting for either. I'm not giving my support to

598
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,400
either of them. He says, yeah, but that helps the decide.

599
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,760
We don't want to win win that, I say, he

600
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,239
somebody in particular. But I had a lot of people

601
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,920
telling me that like, this is just the world we

602
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,760
live in, Jeff. You have to vote for the lesser

603
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,360
of two evils, otherwise it just keeps getting worse and

604
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,400
worse and worse. And I'm thinking to my mind, like

605
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:44,639
I think, if we keep voting for the lesser of

606
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,880
two evils, it's going to continue to keep getting worse

607
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,840
and worse and worse. That's what's going on in my brain,

608
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,920
but I can't express it. And so back to social media.

609
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:59,920
One day, I'm sitting on my couch in Colorado, spring

610
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:03,199
day off, and I'm reading this post from a woman.

611
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,239
She's the wife of a street evangelists that I've been

612
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,880
out on the streets with. He's very popular in the

613
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:18,559
street preaching reform circles. And she quotes this person on here.

614
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,000
It's like this brilliant post, and it encapsulates this whole idea,

615
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:27,599
this whole conundrum that I'm having with trying to trying

616
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:33,360
to justify participating in this election knowing what we know.

617
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,360
I can't even recall like everything that was said, but

618
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,639
it was so impactful I jumped up off of the

619
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:45,079
couch like I hit a word, and I jumped up

620
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,039
off the couch and ran into the kitchen and told

621
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:50,320
my wife, I said, look at this, I think I

622
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,360
know what we are. It's it makes me laugh to

623
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,360
this day because it was so like it was just

624
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,480
an innocent discovery, and I said, I think we're abolitionists

625
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,719
because somebody defined it, put a word to it. Like

626
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:09,199
the thing that I was feeling. I couldn't do this

627
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:12,760
evil thing over here, which was vote for a known

628
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,639
evil person, even though he was like on the right side, supposedly,

629
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,280
they just couldn't. I couldn't do it. And it took

630
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,519
the abortion situation to make this very clear to me

631
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,679
that I've been voting for the lesser of two evils

632
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,679
and promoting the lesser of two evils, which is an

633
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:37,320
unbiblical idea. It is a compromise idea, and not a

634
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,360
good compromise. But it's easy to justify it in your mind,

635
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,519
especially in your echo chambers, when you have very solid,

636
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:49,880
well meaning Christians that are solid in their lives, that

637
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,440
you know lead good, sound lives. But in this one area,

638
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:58,960
they're doing this thing and perpetuating a bad system. And

639
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:03,599
so at the end of that social media post she

640
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,079
quoted who it was from. It was hyperlinked and it said,

641
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:10,639
t Russell Hunter, abolitionist. You know, I touched on that

642
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,760
name right away, sent the guy a friend request. He

643
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,719
accepted my friend request, and then all of a sudden,

644
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,920
I got gang piled by a bunch of a bunch

645
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,119
of people. I had no idea who they were friend

646
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:28,480
requests coming out of the out of the woods, and

647
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,639
they were starting to private message me and send me

648
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,599
things to watch and read. And these were the abolitionists.

649
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,920
I felt like I had entered into a cult or something.

650
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:41,960
And we kind of make we joke about it that

651
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,960
we are a cult. I mean we are, but we're

652
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:46,840
you know, it's a I'm the cult of Jesus Christ.

653
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,199
So and they even had a symbol. I'm like, that's weird,

654
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:56,039
but it was cool at the same time. But it

655
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,400
opened my eyes and and all of a sudden I

656
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,880
found my people, people that had gone through all the

657
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,760
same things that I had gone through, separately, completely separately,

658
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,280
not attached to each other. We had gone through the

659
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,280
same process and wound up finding each other through social media.

660
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:16,719
And those were the Abolitionists. We had a website. I

661
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,119
say when I say we we have a website, somebody

662
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:24,960
else did all that, but we own it collectively the

663
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:32,039
idea and abolish human abortion dot com on all the

664
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:40,239
social media platforms. Abolish human abortion we were Let me

665
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,679
let me just tell you what abolitionism is is that

666
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:51,000
abolitionism is a doctrine that's found only in the scriptures,

667
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:55,480
only within the inspired Word of God. Can you can

668
00:42:55,519 --> 00:43:05,599
you find abolitionism because it is just biblical Christianity and

669
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,440
so but you can go through you know, you've got

670
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:12,239
Calvinism and Armenianism and all these other isms that you

671
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,039
can you can find throughout scriptures, and people will, you know,

672
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:20,559
teach on those doctrines, whether right or wrong. Abolitionism is

673
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:24,719
another doctrine, another teaching that you can extrapolate from the scriptures.

674
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,039
It's a consistent thing. Of course, it's consistent because God

675
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:33,320
is consistent. He doesn't, you know, deny himself, he doesn't

676
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:37,039
contradict himself, and so it's consistent all the way through

677
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:45,400
the scriptures, this thread of an uncompromising spirit to promote

678
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,159
God's kingdom in this earth. And so abolitionism is the

679
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,400
removal of evils from our culture, from our society, and

680
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,559
it's also a removal of evils from your own life.

681
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:05,239
So abolitionism is just repentance. That's what abolitionism is. It's repentance,

682
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,400
whether it be on a personal level or a national level.

683
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,199
And so that all that stuff started to make sense

684
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,119
to me. Abolitionism it takes place in two different modes,

685
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,760
agitation and assistance. So there are people out there that

686
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,639
like to become agitators in a negative sense. They're you know,

687
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:33,119
the the screaming street preachers or protesters, you know, the Antifa,

688
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:40,000
they're they're agitators. Yeah, yeah, in a negative sense, but

689
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,760
can be an agitator in a good in a good sense,

690
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:45,960
though a lot of people will see it in a

691
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:53,000
negative way. You know. You know, it's inside a washing machine,

692
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,800
you know, the kind that are top loaders, and they

693
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,159
got this thing in the middle. Yeah, it's an agitator.

694
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:02,800
It doesn't it doesn't introduce dirt into the clothing. You know,

695
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,480
it gets it out, It helps gets it out. You

696
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:10,199
put in some water and you put in a solvent,

697
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,679
and that agitator is going to beat those clothes, you know,

698
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,840
stir those clothes, and it's going to get the dirt out.

699
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:21,599
And that's what the profits have always been, that's what

700
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:25,480
the apostles were that's what salt and Light throughout all

701
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:29,199
of history has been. They've been the agitators of their world.

702
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:32,599
They've they've come in and they've turned the world upside down,

703
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,440
you know. So they've done this. But you know there's

704
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,360
a verse. Maybe you could tell me what it is.

705
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,800
I can't remember. I have a lot of the Word

706
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,480
of God inside of me, but I don't always know

707
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:44,960
where it's at. But you know, we're supposed to stir

708
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:47,239
each other up to love and good deeds, to love

709
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,800
and good works. You know, that's you're agitating. You're stirring

710
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,840
you know, people up. So that's what the abolitionist movement

711
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,199
does is that's one of our modes is agitation, and

712
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,079
that's through sharing the gospel, that's through seeding our culture

713
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:08,440
with information, and and then we have assistants. So we

714
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,639
don't want to leave out the assistance part because you know,

715
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,639
Christ was compassionate toward the center. He was very hard

716
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,440
on the religious, you know, prideful people, but he was

717
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:24,199
he was very he was very compassionate toward the center.

718
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:28,480
And that's what that's what we that's what we're bringing

719
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:34,079
in to our work is not only agitation, but assistance

720
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:39,079
as well. So we are out there offering our our everything,

721
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:41,480
all of our substance at abortion clinics. And it's not

722
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,639
it's not just at abortion clinics. I mean it's it's

723
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,039
there are people sitting in the pews of most churches

724
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:52,480
that are actively killing their children through taking pills. I

725
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,760
mean it's going on. They're raising their hands in worship

726
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,360
and they're taking pills to either keep from having babies

727
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,519
or to kill the one that's inside of them while

728
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:03,760
they praise God. Abortion is taking place everywhere all the time. Now,

729
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:08,000
It's not just that these nasty abortion clinics that are

730
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:12,159
you know, where babies are being cut into pieces. It's

731
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:17,719
taking place everywhere, even in the church. So you had

732
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,679
a guest on your other show. Her name was b Yeah,

733
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,599
and she was Yeah. And one big thing that she

734
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:31,400
deals with her KIM trails and vaccines and all stuff.

735
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,239
And she's going around leaving literature everywhere. Like she was

736
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,079
talking about how she was putting you know, little cards

737
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:44,239
and trifles and stuff into like baby wipes and you know,

738
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,079
diaper diaper boxes and all that kind of stuff. Well, see,

739
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,000
she's probably an abolitionist and doesn't know it. And what

740
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,920
I mean is is whether she sees abortion rightly or not,

741
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,119
I don't know. But she's using principles that just make

742
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:06,239
She's made in the image of God. God has commanded

743
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,800
his followers to love him and love their neighbor. And

744
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,960
when you put these principles into action, you can't say

745
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,800
that you love God if you don't love your neighbor.

746
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,760
That's how you prove that you actually love God is

747
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,760
through love of neighbor. And she's trying to reach people

748
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,840
she doesn't even know, and she's doing it out of

749
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,639
love for those people to try to rescue. That's what

750
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,199
Jesus' name basically means is rescue. He's salvation is to rescue,

751
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,840
so we should be rescuers. Well, she's going out and

752
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,039
trying to rescue people from the pain that is being

753
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:44,519
caused by this world that we lived in, through vaccinations

754
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:47,039
and the poison and you know, just all of that.

755
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:51,599
Most of the listeners here know what I'm talking about. Well,

756
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,480
we have a name for that. We're seeding the culture.

757
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:57,239
We're doing the same thing that b is doing. We

758
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,679
have what we call drop cards. They're you know, business

759
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,559
sized cards that have you know, sometimes pictures and you know,

760
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:07,960
like biblical information on one side and a website on another.

761
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,800
You know, all kinds of stuff, and you can just

762
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,320
imagine as we're with abortion. We we do use graphic imagery,

763
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,000
so you might have graphic images that a picture says

764
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:21,679
a thousand words. It's basically the law of God and

765
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,960
picture form, Thou shalt not murder. That speaks to the

766
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,519
conscience of the person. Every person that looks at it,

767
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,960
they can't help it. They're made in the image of God.

768
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,800
They're going to see it. Thou shalt not murder. It's

769
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,280
a reminder, a constant reminder. We're putting this throughout our nation.

770
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,239
We're doing what be does. We go in and put

771
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,679
them inside beer cases and you know, clothing in the

772
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,679
pockets of clothes that people are going to buy, and

773
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,000
bags and just anywhere that we can put it, and

774
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,559
we put it out in the open. We're we're seeding

775
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:52,360
the culture with what we call drop cards or just

776
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,039
various literature. Okay, went off on a tangent.

777
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 3: Before you go on, let me interject a few things

778
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:03,079
real quick if I can. The first time, most important

779
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,760
thing is you mentioned Genesis one twenty seven. God created

780
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,719
man in his own image or imago day. So you know,

781
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:16,039
that's one of the I think abolitionism when it first

782
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:20,800
started becoming a name that was used often, I think

783
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,239
was the eighteen hundreds, and that's what they said, We're

784
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,679
made in God's God's image, and you're destroying his image.

785
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,719
And the other verse you had mentioned, I think it's

786
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,400
Hebrews ten twenty four and twenty five. It says, let

787
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,000
us consider one another to provoke unto love and to

788
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:38,880
good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together as

789
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,760
the matter of some is, but exhorting one another. And

790
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,320
so much the more see the day approaching. And then

791
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,320
another point I wanted to make was words are important,

792
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:53,760
because you know they talk about abortion being you know,

793
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,360
women's healthcare, and you know how they you know, made

794
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:03,440
and everything is dignity, and how they you know, everything

795
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,760
that is poison in the world, whether it's vaccines or abortion,

796
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,559
and how they are wordsmiths to make it sound like

797
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:14,719
they're doing something noble when you're having conversations with these people,

798
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,920
Like during the course of the last fifteen minutes of

799
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,000
you talking, you weren't mincing words. You were saying exactly

800
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:23,880
what is happening to these babies, and a lot of

801
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,119
people were cringing, and I'm sure a lot of people

802
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:31,800
maybe even tuned out. But that's you can't sugarcoat something

803
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,960
as diabolical as what's going on. It's important that we

804
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:38,639
use the words that they're actually using. Not healthcare, right,

805
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,599
not not women's healthcare or things of that nature. It's

806
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:45,119
straight up murder. So it's important that we use these words.

807
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:53,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, you know, abortion care. They take all these things, well,

808
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:59,559
just what is abortion? I mean that law enforcement, military,

809
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,519
we use that term a lot. Abort, you know, you

810
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:09,039
leave it behind you, you end it, you end your mission. Well,

811
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:12,599
when you abort something, you don't abort something that's not

812
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:18,760
alive or else it wouldn't be an abortion. Yeah, they

813
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:25,320
call you know, spontaneous abortion. That's not something where somebody

814
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,440
intended to end the life of a child that's in

815
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:33,119
nature taking its course. That's disease, the disease state in

816
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:35,599
this world that ended the life of that child. But

817
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:40,760
it wasn't the willful intention, the malice of forethought of

818
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,360
another human being ending the life of their child or

819
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,679
somebody else's child. So, you know, abortion, and we just

820
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,760
have to use biblical terms, because you know, just because

821
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,519
I believe the Bible doesn't mean it's true. It stands

822
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:58,320
on its own evidence, It stands on its own authority,

823
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,480
and like it or not, things, certain things are just true,

824
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,760
whether we believe them or not. Just so happens that

825
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,320
the Bible has plenty of evidence to prove in every

826
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,840
area you can study it, that it is true and factual.

827
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:18,159
Even though some of our translations are, you know, not

828
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,000
quite right, the truth still comes through. God is still God,

829
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,199
and he has preserved his word. And so we have

830
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,519
to talk in biblical terms. Abortion as murder. Everyone knows it.

831
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,400
Everyone does. Even who denies it to your face and

832
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,920
will argue with you and will never admit it, they

833
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:43,559
know it. Romans chapter one says very plainly that they

834
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,639
know that God is real. I'm just paraphrasing. Everyone knows.

835
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,079
He's made himself very clear and very plain that he

836
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,840
exists through his creation. Everyone knows that God is real.

837
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,000
He's written his law in their hearts. They're made in

838
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:05,400
his image. And that's just so. That is something that

839
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,599
we have to do, is we have to speak the truth. Yes,

840
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,800
we have to speak it in love, but speaking truth

841
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,840
is love. That's that is love, and some of us

842
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:24,079
have to work on our delivery. So yeah, agitation and assistance.

843
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:26,599
That was kind of what I was talking about. You

844
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:30,360
can't you can't just do one. You have to do both.

845
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:36,280
You have to be part of if if you know

846
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,079
where evil is taking place nearby you, you have to

847
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:44,519
do something about it. You can't just ignore it. And

848
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:49,320
you can't hide behind well, that's not my calling, because

849
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:54,079
that's Christian Eese, George, you probably I'm probably preaching to

850
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:59,079
the choir about about this stuff. But people hide behind

851
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:01,920
the words. Well, that's not my calling. My special calling

852
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,519
is this, Well that we've learned to speak this way.

853
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:11,960
In church culture, we have commands and we have been

854
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,760
commanded to love our neighbor as ourself, and so everything

855
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,079
falls into either loving God or loving your neighbor. All

856
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:25,480
of life does everything that you do, and so there's

857
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:28,119
a command to love your neighbor as yourself. When somebody

858
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:32,639
is being murdered nearby you, you can you know, most

859
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:35,159
of us don't know when murders are taking place, with

860
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:42,360
the exception of baby murder. And I don't know exactly

861
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,239
what the statistics is, but I think it's three out

862
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:53,800
of five women have had abortions. That does that is

863
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:54,519
just insane.

864
00:55:54,639 --> 00:56:00,679
Speaker 3: And for those who claim they follow Christ and champion

865
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,239
abortion or say, you know, it's it's up, you know,

866
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:08,320
between the woman and God. You know, most people acknowledged

867
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,400
the da Dash was written. Most scholars believe it was

868
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,920
written right about the same time Revelation was eighty five

869
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:20,639
ninety five AD. So at this point they understood the gospel.

870
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,480
Jesus was the Lamb. We're not sacrificing people anymore. However,

871
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:26,679
the Romans, they were still pagan and they were still

872
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,960
doing that. So they mentioned specifically in chapter two of

873
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,719
the Dadash that thal shalt not murder a child by

874
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,679
abortion or kill them when born. And that is acknowledged

875
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,199
by most ninety nine percent of all Christian scholars. That

876
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,000
was written, you know, right about the same time as Revelation.

877
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,760
And so for all the people who try to skate

878
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,039
on while it doesn't specifically say even though the Bible

879
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:51,760
clearly says we're made in God's image and thal shalt

880
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,360
not kill. But for those people who like to play

881
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,280
the matrix dodging the bullets, you know, because it doesn't

882
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,840
conform to their way of living, that did Dash you know,

883
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,960
it's clear about its stance on abortion or infanticide.

884
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 4: As they say, yeah, exactly. And you know, if people

885
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,119
are going to use the Bible to like justify certain things,

886
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,920
you hear all kinds of crazy justifications. People start reaching

887
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,119
into the Bible and trying to justify this or that.

888
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:24,719
When we're when we're out on the streets trying to

889
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,039
talk to people about this. We go out with signs,

890
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,880
we have conversations with people. We'll go to the bar districts,

891
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,480
we go to the universities, we go to the high schools,

892
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:36,480
even middle schools and things like that. We try to

893
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,920
have conversations with people. People start reaching into their bag

894
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,760
of tricks and pulling out Bible versus, and of course

895
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:48,800
it's out of context, but they start justifying, you know,

896
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:54,719
abortion through all kinds of different wicked means. But the

897
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,039
truth is, it's just like you said, man is made

898
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:02,480
in God's image. Genesis two seven talks about we're not

899
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:08,159
allowed to kill an innocent person. Noah was told when

900
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:11,079
he got off the art, this is what's now going

901
00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:13,559
to take place. You know, now all the animals are

902
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:15,639
going to be scared of you. You can eat them.

903
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,519
The fear of man is going to be put in you. Eventually.

904
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:21,920
He tells Noah that if even if an animal kills

905
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,679
a man says by man that animal must it's blood

906
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,280
must be shed because man is made in God's image.

907
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:32,920
It's the image of God the AMaGA day that's important here.

908
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,079
It's not just because babies are cute and cuddly and

909
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:38,320
smell good and all that. They don't always smell good,

910
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,880
but sometimes they do. They just have this natural good smell.

911
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:45,119
It's not because of that. And we're not just out

912
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:50,039
trying to save babies. We're out representing our King, who

913
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:53,079
tells us, who gave us a commandment, and we're not

914
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:55,800
supposed to be murdering innocent people. Yes, I do believe

915
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,480
in the death penalty. That is not the same as

916
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:03,760
murdering somebody. Is God's just punishment for a capital crime

917
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,920
that God has already predefined. And so and murder is

918
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,559
one of them. Murder killing somebody that doesn't deserve the

919
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:16,280
death penalty with malice a forethought and you think it

920
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,199
through and you carry it out. There's no more you know,

921
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:26,840
fitting description of what takes place during an abortion. So anyway,

922
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:33,480
there's a lot more to say about abolitionism. But what

923
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,679
has taken place since I became an abolitionist while you

924
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,920
were there? My wife and I started the Abolitionist Society

925
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,679
of Colorado Springs. I still run that, you know, that

926
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,039
YouTube page, that Facebook page, because there's no one else

927
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:51,639
that has taken it over there. There are other kind

928
00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:54,840
of like minded people over there, but I'm happy to

929
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,599
hand that over to somebody else. So if you want

930
00:59:56,599 --> 01:00:00,800
to contact me and take over the the work that's

931
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,000
been started in Colorado Springs, you know, feel free to

932
01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:10,679
contact me anyway. After moving to Oklahoma, or actually while

933
01:00:10,719 --> 01:00:14,880
we were living in Colorado twenty sixteen, as we're doing

934
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,440
all this abolitionist stuff, which is, you know, we're going

935
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,679
out on the streets, we're going to the abortion clinic,

936
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:25,559
We're going to the churches to stir them up to

937
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:29,840
love and good deeds. We're also going to these conferences

938
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,840
and missions that the other abolitionists are having. And one

939
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,519
big mission that happened, and it was the first time

940
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:43,280
that a bill of complete and total immediate abolition was

941
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:48,280
put in legislation form was here in Oklahoma in twenty sixteen.

942
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:54,119
There's a whole story behind that, but Basically, we put

943
01:00:54,159 --> 01:01:00,840
this forward and pro life governor, pro life House, pro

944
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:08,079
life Senate, so super majority, they sheltered it. They would

945
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:11,920
not let it be heard. That has been the story

946
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,880
of I don't know if what the number is now,

947
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,639
seventeen or eighteen different states have been regularly putting bills

948
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:26,039
of abolition for abortion, criminalizing it. Equal justice, the laws

949
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:31,440
against murder are applied to now what you would do

950
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,000
to a preborn child. So if in another scenario, if

951
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:38,639
you were to scheme and plot and conspire with somebody

952
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:42,239
to kill somebody else, you know, the murderer and the

953
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:47,119
conspirators are held liable, and you know justices meeted out

954
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:51,079
that way. Well, now just apply that to abortion. So

955
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:55,039
everybody that's involved in that situation is now held responsible

956
01:01:55,519 --> 01:02:02,000
for what's going on. So the abolitionists are not just

957
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:05,119
out trying to kill women who kill their babies. That's

958
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:08,760
a thing that gets thrown at us. We're just seeking

959
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,320
to honor God and his law. Like everything should be

960
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,800
submitted to God's law. All of our laws should be

961
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,440
in tandem with the law of God. Should not contradict,

962
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:26,559
and it does. And so the pro life legislators that

963
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,599
ran on pro life bills, and this is happening in

964
01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:33,039
all of these states where bills of abolition are being presented.

965
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:36,960
The ones who are running on pro life platforms saying

966
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:38,599
vote for me on pro life, We're going to do

967
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:41,119
something about abortion, we're going to restrict abortion, we're going

968
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:43,360
to end abortion, and all that. When they're given the

969
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,840
opportunity and they have it spoon fed to them by

970
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:53,199
one of their colleagues, the governor, the controllers, the gatekeepers,

971
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:56,800
they put people at the head of committees. Those committee

972
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,840
heads will not let the bills be heard. They don't

973
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,920
want to go on the record for criminalizing abortion, so

974
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,360
they shell them, they silence them, They will not let

975
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,880
them go forward. The pro life organizations also the professional

976
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:15,159
pro life lobbyists, and I could name names, I could

977
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:19,639
name organizations. It's the place. It's the people that you

978
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:22,280
get the emails from saying please donate, we have this

979
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,559
thing coming up. You know, seven dollars saves the life

980
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:28,119
of three children or whatever. You know, those types of

981
01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:34,280
schemes they rake in millions. These pro life activists and

982
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,880
lobbyists are perpetuating abortion. It's not the other way around.

983
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:44,760
It's not the pro death, pro abortion lobbyists and politicians

984
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,639
that are keeping abortion legal. They don't have to do anything.

985
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:51,440
They don't have to put a forward a bill that

986
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,079
says this is when you're gonna kill a baby, because

987
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:59,079
the pro life Christian conservative politicians are actually writing the laws.

988
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,400
And I can guarantee you this is going on in

989
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,159
other arenas, like other things that deal with the environment

990
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:12,800
and just any other topic you could bring. It's it's

991
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,880
these the good, the supposed good people, the good politicians,

992
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,760
the supposed ones that are that are doing it. They're

993
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,400
keeping things the way they are because it keeps them

994
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,400
in power. It keeps them, you know, where they can receive,

995
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,599
you know, accolades, be heroes that they they did a

996
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:35,199
little bit. But you know, if we were like Moses,

997
01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:39,239
we wouldn't live in the kind of world that we

998
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,719
live in now. Moses was a sinner, and he was

999
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,800
severely disciplined by God. But he was also very faithful

1000
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,760
to God in many ways. And when he when he

1001
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,360
came out of Egypt, and after he established his family,

1002
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,480
and then he went over and he met Yahweh in

1003
01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:59,440
the burning bush, and y always telling them what he's

1004
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:01,639
to do, and he's to go back to Pharaoh in

1005
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,719
Egypt and tell Pharaoh to let his people go. He

1006
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,039
fights with God. He wrestles with God a little bit

1007
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,559
that he eventually agrees to do it. God gives him

1008
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:15,840
signs that I will be with you, and he agrees

1009
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,000
to go. And he says, who am I supposed to say?

1010
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:22,760
Sent me? And God tells him, tell him, I am

1011
01:05:23,159 --> 01:05:27,079
sent you. Yep, that is self existent one. This title

1012
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:33,360
the self existent One sent you, like superseding all other gods.

1013
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,360
So he does this, and he goes to Pharaoh, and

1014
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,239
you know the story. He tells him to let his

1015
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,920
people go. He refuses, Pharaoh hardens his heart. Then later

1016
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,159
God hardens his heart. This goes back and forth and

1017
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:50,039
all the judgments judging the gods of Egypt, and he

1018
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:54,519
continues to give him signs that he means business. He

1019
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:58,440
never takes Pharaoh's deal. Pharaoh is telling them, Okay, you

1020
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:59,800
can take the men and they can go out in

1021
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,280
the desert and worship your God, but everybody else has

1022
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,239
to say He says, nope, everybody's going, So then he

1023
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:11,360
has to give his judgment and then comes back, Okay,

1024
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,199
you can take the men and women and the children.

1025
01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:17,199
He's trying to make a deal. The pro lifers, the

1026
01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:21,280
politicians take these deals. Every time Moses doesn't take the deal,

1027
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,679
he says, not one hoof is going to be left

1028
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:27,840
in Egypt. So you know what ends up taking place.

1029
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:36,000
The death Angel comes Israel. However, many millions and all

1030
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:40,280
of their belongings, everything, and half the wealth of Egypt

1031
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:44,880
probably left Egypt because he didn't take the deal. He

1032
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,760
didn't deal with the devil. He was an abolitionist. This

1033
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,400
is part of our abolitionist doctrine, is that you don't

1034
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:55,599
do evil, even a little bit of it. If good,

1035
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,480
if you think good may come from it, you can

1036
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:00,760
justify it. And either there's a way that seems right

1037
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:06,320
to a man. But the end is death and and

1038
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:10,880
it and it rolls down usually upon the fatherless, upon

1039
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,239
the widows and the orphans. All this stuff rolls down

1040
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:19,880
upon them. Isaiah one says, you know, woe to those

1041
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:25,679
who enact iniquitous decrees. I don't know about you, but

1042
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,480
I never want to hear God tell me woe to you.

1043
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:36,159
That is it's a terrifying thing. It's it's as terrifying

1044
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:43,119
as to hear depart from me, you worker of lawlessness.

1045
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:48,199
I never knew that, so to hear woe, and Jesus

1046
01:07:48,239 --> 01:07:52,559
said that to the Pharisees and the scribes, woe to

1047
01:07:52,679 --> 01:07:58,079
you scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites. He didn't mince words with them.

1048
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,599
He said exactly what it was. He promised their judgment.

1049
01:08:02,639 --> 01:08:04,840
He told them their judgment was coming, and it came.

1050
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,840
But he also told them way ahead of time. And

1051
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:12,000
because they didn't listen to the Father, they didn't recognize

1052
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:16,960
him when he came. We as abolitionists, we Christians, need

1053
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,439
to be abolitionists. We don't need to be pro life

1054
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:25,279
anymore saying that we're pro life. I am pro life,

1055
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,479
that I have a pro life opinion. I am for life,

1056
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,079
but I don't identify as a pro lifer. I don't

1057
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:34,479
tell people I'm pro life. I tell people what I

1058
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,600
am because it tells people what I do. I tell

1059
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,920
people I'm an abolitionist, especially in the context of abortion.

1060
01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:46,600
But it deals with all evil human trafficking just named

1061
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:51,720
the evil. Abolitionism will cover it, and if you apply abolitionism,

1062
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,119
it can end it and God will get the glory.

1063
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,800
The abolitionist movement is God's centered. We understand that the

1064
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,880
tip of the spear is the gospel of Jesus Christ,

1065
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:09,399
the fact that God became a man. God gave commands

1066
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:14,199
to man. Two, this is how you can be reconciled

1067
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:16,640
to me. And he gave them different ways to do

1068
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,600
that throughout time, with an ultimate end in mind. From

1069
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:28,159
the beginning that they failed, they said, ah, well, we'll

1070
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:30,159
do some of that, but we're also going to do

1071
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:32,720
this over here with this guy Moloch and Moloch and

1072
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,600
Bale and all that. So they dabbled in all that

1073
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,279
kind of stuff. They were, they were faithless, they were,

1074
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,800
and then they would repent and God would bring them

1075
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:46,479
back in. But after going through this whole plan, it

1076
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:51,680
was necessary. God said, I am going to enter time

1077
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:57,239
and space. And guess where He did this in the

1078
01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:00,640
womb of a woman who wasn't even a expected to

1079
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,279
be with child. He had no reason to be with child.

1080
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,279
She had never been with a man, This miraculous prophesied.

1081
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:15,399
Event he enters the womb of a woman, guess what happens.

1082
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,439
She took out immediately on a journey to go tell

1083
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:25,560
her cousin Elizabeth, who was also pregnant, who shouldn't be pregnant,

1084
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,520
who was also a miraculous pregnancy. This is kind of

1085
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:34,359
like an Abraham and Sarah's story is is Sarah's husband

1086
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:40,039
not Sarah Elizabeth's husband? Is that Zechariah Zachariah. I can't remember.

1087
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,800
He's a he's a he's a priest. Well, six months

1088
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,479
before this, she was visited or he or her husband

1089
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:55,279
was visited by Gabriel told that your your wife is

1090
01:10:55,319 --> 01:10:58,960
going to have a son their past, you know, child

1091
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,239
bearing years. He doesn't believe him, He doubts, so the

1092
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:07,279
angel mutes him, silences him for during the pregnancy he

1093
01:11:07,319 --> 01:11:10,119
can't speak, so he can't do any of his duties.

1094
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:16,039
He told him, you're gonna name him John Missus Mary's

1095
01:11:16,199 --> 01:11:22,319
cousin Elizabeth. So six months into her pregnancy, that's when

1096
01:11:22,359 --> 01:11:27,520
Gabriel visits Mary says, you're highly favored among women, that

1097
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,880
the God of the universe is gonna come into your womb,

1098
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,199
and uh, basically, God's gonna become a man through you,

1099
01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:37,880
and you're gonna you're gonna bear this Messiah. You're gonna

1100
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:42,680
bear the the answer to the entire world's problem in

1101
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,840
human form. And she believes, and she sings a song

1102
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,439
and she heads out for Elizabeth, and it's a if

1103
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,479
scholars are right, it's about a five day journey. So

1104
01:11:54,960 --> 01:12:02,239
during this time, this dangerous travel, Jesus is forming. Sell

1105
01:12:02,319 --> 01:12:07,199
the creator of the Cosmos, is developing as a human being,

1106
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,520
forming five days old, probably in the phillopian tube. And

1107
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,239
when she gets to Elizabeth and she speaks to Elizabeth,

1108
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:21,159
the baby in her womb, John leaps the very first

1109
01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:26,600
person to recognize Jesus, John the bath is a baby

1110
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:34,600
in the womb. That blows my mind. Yeah, so anyway,

1111
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,479
and says she was with child. It doesn't say she

1112
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,760
was with you know, blasticist or zygote or fetus or anything.

1113
01:12:42,199 --> 01:12:45,920
Fetus just means little one or offspring or child. Baby.

1114
01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:48,359
That's all it means. But we like to use those

1115
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,960
terms because it dehumanizes them in our brain. People out

1116
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,680
on the streets, and it's just the fetus. It's just

1117
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,279
the clump of cells. The body inside you know, you know,

1118
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,199
my my choice. Well, the body inside your body is

1119
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:06,279
not your body. Somebody else's. The imago day lives inside

1120
01:13:06,279 --> 01:13:12,600
of you. So the God of the universe comes into

1121
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,800
this world. He's gone through every stage of life that

1122
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,800
we've ever gone through. He's been through every temptation that

1123
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,560
we've ever been through. That means if he looked at

1124
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,439
a woman, he probably was tempted, if he was put

1125
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:33,119
in situations where he was tempted to sin, but he didn't.

1126
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:36,359
He never did. It says that he was tempted in

1127
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:41,520
all ways liked us, yet without sin. So they couldn't

1128
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,119
fulfill the righteousness of God through the law in all

1129
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:47,680
the different ways that God had given them before. So

1130
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:52,680
now God becomes the solution. He becomes fully human to

1131
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,279
live as we were supposed to live, to live the

1132
01:13:56,359 --> 01:14:01,920
perfect life, a sinless life that we couldn't on our behalf.

1133
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:06,960
And yet what happens to him in the end is

1134
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,439
that this is the this is the thing. It seems

1135
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,880
like a huge injustice, and it is, but it's also

1136
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,760
the chess the chess game of the of the eons yep.

1137
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:24,399
Is that through his death, through the murder of Christ.

1138
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,279
You know, really no man took the life. Jesus laid

1139
01:14:28,319 --> 01:14:31,560
his life down, but there was a whole murder plot

1140
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,720
that went behind it, and everybody's going to get their

1141
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:39,359
just payment for that. But through all that, if he

1142
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:45,600
had told everybody what his death would accomplish, they anything

1143
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,439
and everything within their power to keep it from happening.

1144
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,560
They had to put him in a in a locked

1145
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,279
cell somewhere, you know, nobody could touch him, keep them

1146
01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:57,600
in here for a long time. But or they you know,

1147
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,840
they tried, they the devil tried to give him the

1148
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,880
kingdoms of the world. They tried doing all kinds of

1149
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:08,199
things to make him to feed his ego as a human,

1150
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,600
but he didn't buy any of it. He came to die,

1151
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,520
That's what he came to the God of the universe,

1152
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,680
enter time and space as a human being, yet not

1153
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:25,279
giving up his godhood, and he purchased eternity for us

1154
01:15:25,319 --> 01:15:29,680
through his death. And that all who look upon that

1155
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:35,079
bronze serpent, that fiery serpent that was lifted on high,

1156
01:15:35,119 --> 01:15:40,159
were healed. You look upon Jesus on the cross, trusting

1157
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:43,760
in what he accomplished. There the fact that the sinless

1158
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:50,720
son of God died in our place. And you trust

1159
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:55,479
in that, and you believe that his righteousness will be

1160
01:15:56,039 --> 01:16:04,159
credited to you. Because he took on our sin. He

1161
01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:08,199
swoppted places with us. But death had no hold on

1162
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:12,479
him because he was sinless. It says the wages of

1163
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,840
sin is death. He did not sin, therefore he would

1164
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,439
not remain dead. He did not see corruption. On the

1165
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:24,079
third day he rose, there were over five hundred witnesses.

1166
01:16:24,359 --> 01:16:28,520
He said many things, had many interactions with people, and

1167
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,840
he told him to go forward and do likewise. You know,

1168
01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:38,600
he gave us our marching orders. We have a king

1169
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,239
and we're to go and do likewise. He is the abolitionist.

1170
01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:49,720
He abolished sin and death. Yep. And that's why Christians

1171
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,479
need to be abolitionists and not just pro life. Because

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you're by being pro life and listening to your talking

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01:16:57,079 --> 01:17:01,560
heads and all these famous people that are supposedly fighting

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01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,159
abortion yet making millions while doing it and receiving the

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01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:08,439
accolades and the praise of men. The abolitionists are out

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01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:14,640
here saying we are going to abolish abortion without compromise,

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in the name of Jesus Christ, to the glory of

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God alone.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So number one is you know, we're talking about Jesus.

1180
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He's the lamb, he bears the weight. And I think

1181
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it's something that we should address during this podcast, is

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01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,720
that a woman who maybe in her life when she

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01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,680
was younger, who had an abortion, if she does come

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01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,039
to him in repentance and faith, she will be forgiven

1185
01:17:43,399 --> 01:17:48,079
and while she can't change the past, she can certainly

1186
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lend a voice to maybe help it from occurring to

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01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,840
a younger person in the future. What are your thoughts

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on that.

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Speaker 4: You're nailing it? We one of our signs, I mean,

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01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:07,279
we encapsulate a lot of our ideas into like three

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01:18:07,359 --> 01:18:09,399
foot by four foot signs that we take out on

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01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:14,760
the streets. Forgiveness for the sin of abortion can be

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01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:20,479
found in Jesus Christ alone. There is no other forgiveness,

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01:18:21,119 --> 01:18:25,920
is there. All of us, like Paul said, and such

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01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:30,000
were some of you. We have, all of us have

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01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:33,199
horrible things in our past. Those who are redeemed in

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01:18:33,279 --> 01:18:38,960
Christ have done wicked things. And yes, a murder can

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be forgiven, and yes you can't do anything about you

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01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,760
can't go back in time and stop. But many other

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01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:54,000
people can benefit from your previous failings and huge failings.

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That we live in a world of deception. That's why

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01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:03,359
your podcast even exists. And so you know, we're here

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01:19:03,399 --> 01:19:07,000
trying to wake people up to what the enemy is doing.

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01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,920
And he tells you that you can't be forgiven. He

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01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,279
makes you feel guilty. He continues to remind you that

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01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:18,319
you cannot be forgiven. This is too. You went too far,

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01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:23,680
but that is not true. David murdered his best friend.

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He betrayed his best friend. He you know, committed adultery

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01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,279
on his best friend, then had his best friend murder.

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Paul was murdering Christians, these were redeemed. We are going

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to be in the Kingdom of God with those, gentlemen,

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those are our brothers. You if you have killed your

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01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:54,720
baby through abortion, there is forgiveness in Christ alone. What

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01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:58,840
you must do is confess your sin. This is with anything,

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01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,479
but specifically with abortion. You must confess that what you

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01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:11,000
did was murder, that you intentionally ended the life of

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01:20:11,039 --> 01:20:15,279
your child so that your life could continue on. That

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is child sacrifice. And we've all been guilty of this

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01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:25,319
on one level or another, through taking pills or doing

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01:20:25,359 --> 01:20:27,760
all sorts of things that we shouldn't we shouldn't do

1221
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:31,920
to our bodies. We've unintentionally ended the life, ended the

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01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:36,159
life of children within our wives wounds or our wounds.

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You must confess your sin before God, ask for his forgiveness,

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01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,159
and he will. He will forgive, but it's only found

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through Christ. There is no mediator given among men except

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01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:55,119
Christ Jesus. He is the only door pathway, gate avenue

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01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:59,600
to God, the Father to eternity. With him, it's through

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01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:05,039
Jesus Christ. It's through his death, through his resurrection, we

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01:21:05,119 --> 01:21:10,920
can be reconciled to God. So if you have killed

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or participated in the killing of a child, confess this

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01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,119
to God and then tell people about it. Most I

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01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:20,520
shouldn't say most, but a lot of the women that

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are involved in the abolitionist movement are post abortive. They've

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01:21:25,319 --> 01:21:27,680
killed their children and some of them have killed many.

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And God, wo come up. They bowed the knee, they surrendered,

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01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,760
they gave their life to Christ, and they used their

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01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:49,000
worst sin as a platform to help rescue others. They

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01:21:49,079 --> 01:21:52,920
were allowed to. God is sovereign. God is incocomplete control.

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01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:56,239
He could stop anything if he wants. But he does

1240
01:21:56,279 --> 01:22:00,319
allow evil to take place, and the responsible part are

1241
01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:04,159
going to face judgment for that. And it's not just

1242
01:22:04,199 --> 01:22:06,720
people who commit it, it's people who don't do anything

1243
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:14,800
about it. It's a whole network. But God uses sinners

1244
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,560
to further his kingdom. That's just what he does. You

1245
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:20,880
see it all through the scriptures.

1246
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, most of the guys that most of the men

1247
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that He uses his disciples. You mentioned Paul Saul, you

1248
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,640
know he was there when Steven was killed. We're broken men,

1249
01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:35,279
and that's the story of all of us. We were young,

1250
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,119
we made poor. I mean, your story and my story

1251
01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:42,039
perfectly aligned. I had a very tough stretch in the nineties.

1252
01:22:42,039 --> 01:22:45,279
And as you get older, you get wiser. The same

1253
01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:47,760
with the ladies who have you know, made that decision.

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They get older, they get wiser. There's something called regret.

1255
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But you can't spend your entire life. You know, I

1256
01:22:54,359 --> 01:22:56,600
get emails all the time. Do you regret being in

1257
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,680
the army? Do you regret being in combat? Listen, I

1258
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:04,079
can't not change. And God takes us on these paths

1259
01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:06,279
for a certain reason. It gave me wisdom. It gave

1260
01:23:06,279 --> 01:23:08,920
me the understanding to look back now and see how

1261
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,720
the world truly operates. Whereas if I would have been

1262
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,239
a plumber or a mason or a computer tech, I

1263
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:16,920
would have I'd be clueless on it. But that's the

1264
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,520
journey He took me on it. And that kind of

1265
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,079
segues into this. You mentioned John MacArthur earlier, and you

1266
01:23:23,119 --> 01:23:25,159
know he was a man tu sinner, just like Martin Luther.

1267
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:28,199
I don't like to hold men up on pedestals. But

1268
01:23:28,399 --> 01:23:30,960
this book I keep on my desk at all times

1269
01:23:31,399 --> 01:23:33,760
is called Can God Bless America? You get it on

1270
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,960
eBay for ten bucks. It fits right in your cargo

1271
01:23:36,079 --> 01:23:39,600
pocket like used to in your BDUs. And it's interesting

1272
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,760
because it's America in a nutshell. We say God Bless America,

1273
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:48,159
but we allow abortion. Now, we have assisted suicide, and

1274
01:23:48,199 --> 01:23:52,680
I think twenty states. We're taxed on our property, usury,

1275
01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:55,920
all the things that the Bible talks against. But yet

1276
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,760
we're one nation under the God because we're blessed because

1277
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,720
we have all of these nice things. Well we have

1278
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,880
all of these nice things because of the way we operate,

1279
01:24:06,119 --> 01:24:09,359
you know, with Fiat currency and everything else and usury.

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01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:10,520
Speaker 4: And you know, I.

1281
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Speaker 3: Always say, somebody who listens to me the first time,

1282
01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:16,640
you sound like a bleeding heart liberal. And that's because

1283
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,720
you still live in this realm where you can only

1284
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,920
be one or the other, and you have to break

1285
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,920
that matrix and say no, if it's wrong, it's wrong.

1286
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,560
I don't care if you know the right team says

1287
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:29,560
it or the left teams says it. And this is

1288
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,279
a perfect segue to two things. Number one, the difference

1289
01:24:33,279 --> 01:24:38,279
between pro life and abolitionism. Right, you mentioned that it's secular,

1290
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:44,680
it's lobbyists driven. Send us seven dollars where abolitionists and

1291
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,680
again going back to God bless America? Can God bless America?

1292
01:24:48,119 --> 01:24:53,079
When a secular law crosses the law of God. It's

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01:24:53,239 --> 01:24:57,600
every Christian's duty to stand up, not to type something

1294
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,239
on social media and say I don't like this to

1295
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,399
especially if you're a man, you need to stand your

1296
01:25:02,399 --> 01:25:04,319
butt up and say this is wrong.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. What we have a lot happening a lot now

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01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,840
are the women are rising up. And if you know

1299
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:22,279
your Bibles, God raised up women as a judgment, Deborah

1300
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:26,439
is It is a perfect example. Women and children, women

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01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,119
in the youth are having to rise up when the

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01:25:29,239 --> 01:25:32,680
men won't. I was I was guilty of that when

1303
01:25:33,079 --> 01:25:38,560
when I was able bodied but wouldn't do anything. You know, God,

1304
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,760
God would use the category of people that he shouldn't

1305
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,279
have to use. So the women are rising up to

1306
01:25:46,359 --> 01:25:49,479
do what the men should be doing. That's that's why

1307
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,840
we have a lot of female pastors, That's why we

1308
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,640
have a lot of female politicians. And the men should

1309
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:59,079
be doing that. Men have all should be leading their homes,

1310
01:25:59,159 --> 01:26:01,920
they should be leading their communities. They should be leading

1311
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:08,159
whatever form of government that we have, but doing it rightly.

1312
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,359
But they won't, so God will use the category of

1313
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:17,000
person that shouldn't be doing that as a judgment. So, yes,

1314
01:26:17,079 --> 01:26:20,039
there is a difference between being an abolitionist and being

1315
01:26:20,119 --> 01:26:23,479
pro life. Pro life is actually the pro life movement

1316
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:29,000
is actually what's keeping abortion legal and healthy. And actually

1317
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:33,439
in Oklahoma where they had a trigger bill set up

1318
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:37,520
to where if roe versus Weighed was ever overturned, this

1319
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,159
law would go into effect. And now that's what we

1320
01:26:40,279 --> 01:26:42,680
have as we have a law that shut down all

1321
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,600
the abortion clinics. Women cannot go to a place and

1322
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,960
pay for somebody to kill their child, but they can

1323
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,960
do it on their own. They can go on live television,

1324
01:26:53,239 --> 01:26:56,520
live social media, nine months pregnant, They could go in

1325
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,560
the governor's office and take a sledgehammer and beat their

1326
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:02,560
child to death. As long as they're the one that

1327
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:06,279
does it, and they don't, the law recognizes it as murder,

1328
01:27:06,359 --> 01:27:08,880
but she will not be prosecuted for only the woman.

1329
01:27:09,319 --> 01:27:12,279
The mother has special murder rights. So that's the case

1330
01:27:12,319 --> 01:27:17,560
in a bunch of mostly Southern states. And now what

1331
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,800
you can do is you can get an abortion pill

1332
01:27:20,319 --> 01:27:21,880
that you used to just have to go to the

1333
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,760
abortion clinic four and it's a two phase situation. They

1334
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,359
give you a pill, it starts to starve the baby,

1335
01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:31,920
and then the baby ends up dying, and then they

1336
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,239
give you another pill to have you pass the baby.

1337
01:27:34,399 --> 01:27:37,640
And women are just doing this and having abortions at home.

1338
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,760
That the abortion numbers have skyrocketed over and above what

1339
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,920
they were before abortion was allowed to take place in

1340
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:49,199
abortion clinics. So we're abolitionists. We're not trying to cut

1341
01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:52,560
down on abortion numbers. We're trying to glorify God. That

1342
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,840
God may be glorified, his law may be honored in

1343
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:00,800
our laws, in our lives. We should not be tolerating

1344
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,479
these evils. We should be a voice against it. We're

1345
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,680
going to be held accountable based on our knowledge and

1346
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:11,600
our proximity to it. That's found evident in a principle

1347
01:28:12,279 --> 01:28:16,079
in Deuteronomy chapter twenty one, where a man was found

1348
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:19,520
laying dead in the field and no one know who

1349
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,720
killed him. So they brought the leaders of two of

1350
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:27,279
the nearest villages to that site where the murder took place.

1351
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,279
They had to testify that they did not know who

1352
01:28:30,319 --> 01:28:32,560
did it, their eyes didn't see it. They had to

1353
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:37,479
sacrifice an unworked heifer. It died in the place of

1354
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,680
the murder, and they had to take a vow that

1355
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,720
they didn't know about it. We can't do that today,

1356
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:47,399
None of us can, no Christian, no politician can say

1357
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:52,680
we didn't know. So God is demonstrating through that passage

1358
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:56,439
that through knowledge and proximity to the evils going on

1359
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,720
around you, God is going to hold us accountable, each

1360
01:29:02,039 --> 01:29:05,279
accountable for what they did or did not do. Yeah,

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01:29:05,399 --> 01:29:08,159
Jesus said it. He says, what you did to the

1362
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:11,359
least of these, you did to me, And he said

1363
01:29:11,359 --> 01:29:14,199
what you did not do for the least of these,

1364
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:17,239
you did not do for me. He doesn't give you

1365
01:29:17,279 --> 01:29:23,079
a way out. He tightens the law in every way.

1366
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:27,039
And so the Church is going to be held most

1367
01:29:27,079 --> 01:29:31,720
responsible for what's going on. The Church is the group

1368
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:33,880
of people on this earth that have been given the

1369
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:38,800
gifts and the power to bring about the Kingdom of God,

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01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,720
to make sure that God is being honored in this earth,

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01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,319
that our neighbors are being loved and cared for, and

1372
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,920
thus God is being honored. The Church is going to

1373
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,479
be held accountable. Our world is in the mess that

1374
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:53,760
it's in because throughout time and history, the people of God,

1375
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,800
the people who claim Christ as their as their savior,

1376
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:01,399
as their king, were disobedient Him. They did not use

1377
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,920
the talents that they were given. That's right. So we

1378
01:30:05,039 --> 01:30:07,079
have to use the gifts and talents that we're given.

1379
01:30:07,119 --> 01:30:09,479
But we do not need to confuse our gifts and

1380
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:13,800
talents with commands by God. You can do multiple things

1381
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,600
at the same time, George, you're a homesteader, you're a

1382
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:20,560
homeschool father, you're a husband, you're going through seminary, you're

1383
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:24,039
doing all sorts of things, and you run two podcasts.

1384
01:30:24,199 --> 01:30:27,399
You're multitasking. You're doing many things at once. But I

1385
01:30:27,399 --> 01:30:29,800
guarantee you if you knew that across the street from

1386
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:34,119
your homestead that somebody was scheduled to die, you'd be there. Absolutely.

1387
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:40,640
The churches are negligent, and they have to recognize that

1388
01:30:41,319 --> 01:30:45,199
they are not doing what's necessary and what's consistent with

1389
01:30:45,239 --> 01:30:47,439
what they claim they believe. They have to take their

1390
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,920
beliefs they are beliefs about abortion and everything else and

1391
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,840
put them into action. The people who know their God

1392
01:30:54,399 --> 01:30:59,720
will rise up and take action. That's what Daniel Well said.

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Speaker 3: Well said, and all the links are going to be

1394
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:07,199
in the show notes Abolitionists Rising. The petitions are on there,

1395
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,520
the dates are on there when certain gatherings are there

1396
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,239
the Gospel. They have a store as well if you

1397
01:31:13,279 --> 01:31:17,479
want to support them. Abolitionist Rising dot com also the

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YouTube channel abolitionist Rising. Three hundred and sixty three thousand

1399
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:27,079
subscribers yep top videos just about a million views. Go ahead,

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I'm sorry.

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01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:32,079
Speaker 4: We just passed one million followers on all of our

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01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:36,960
platforms the other day. That's awesome. That's awesome. They're they're

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01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,560
doing amazing things out of Norman, Oklahoma. There's a group

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01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,199
of guys there that are you know, they're they're not

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01:31:43,319 --> 01:31:46,039
highly paid. You know, they're not raking in the bucks.

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01:31:46,119 --> 01:31:48,279
I mean, we have to do like go fundmes to

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01:31:48,319 --> 01:31:52,119
help pay for them. So but they're giving their lives

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01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:55,560
for this cause, for the cause of Christ and doing

1409
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,640
wonderful things. So yeah, I echo your words and say, hey,

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01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:02,199
go to the store, buy you some merchandise, get some shirts,

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01:32:02,359 --> 01:32:05,520
get some some literature that you can hand out. I mean,

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01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,680
but and and get to know that stuff and believe it,

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01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:10,399
put it into action, put it into work.

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01:32:11,359 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 3: And if somebody's passionate about this and they feel moved

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01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,800
by the Lord to join and represent a certain area

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01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,960
in the country. What is the best quickest way to

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01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:22,720
contact someone in the organization.

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01:32:24,199 --> 01:32:27,520
Speaker 4: Well, I'm happy to funnel you to where you need

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01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,880
to go. But you can find us in our community.

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01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:36,000
There's a there's an abolitionist, uh, trying to remember if

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01:32:36,039 --> 01:32:40,239
it's it's it might just be abolitionists rising on discord.

1422
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,560
So a lot of people are joining Discord, a lot

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01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:46,279
of people are being brought in, and we we have

1424
01:32:46,359 --> 01:32:49,479
it set up in states and different topics through Discord.

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01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:54,479
I don't I'm not real familiar with Discord, but I'm not. Yeah,

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01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,359
it's it's confusing, but me too, I'm git better at it.

1427
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:01,680
But that's that's one way. But you know, on any

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01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,600
of the platforms, all social media aspects, you'll find abolitionists

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01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:09,239
rising on there. You can just comment and and ad

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01:33:09,239 --> 01:33:14,039
men that keeps an eye on things, they will contact you. Happy,

1431
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:16,079
I'm happy to funnel you to wherever you need But

1432
01:33:16,359 --> 01:33:18,680
you know, when when it started for us, when after

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01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:22,960
we realized the difference between what being an abolitionist was

1434
01:33:23,039 --> 01:33:26,640
versus being pro life, then just perpetuating to evil we

1435
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:31,159
were like, can we just start our own society here?

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01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:35,439
So I asked. I was like asking permission, but they

1437
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,960
were like, that's what That's what we were here to do.

1438
01:33:38,079 --> 01:33:40,159
Is we're here to you know, spur you to do

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01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:43,479
something like that. So yes, please started up. And then

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01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,359
you know, they made sure that I was equipped with

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01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:50,079
knowledge and good information. But yeah, you can do that.

1442
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:53,600
Like I since moving to Oklahoma, I have a good

1443
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:57,039
friend that's in in the Tulsa area. So he's the

1444
01:33:57,079 --> 01:34:01,680
director of the Abolitionist Society of Tulsa, and I started

1445
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:05,439
just a YouTube page or a Facebook page called the

1446
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:11,079
Abolitionist Society of Mays County in Ayes And so that's

1447
01:34:11,119 --> 01:34:14,079
what we do. And it's kind of like home churches

1448
01:34:14,199 --> 01:34:16,680
or home groups. You come together, you have your meetings,

1449
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:18,960
you have fellowship, and then you go out into the

1450
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:24,760
world and you go represent your team. That's awesome.

1451
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:26,560
Speaker 3: I can't thank you enough for your time today, Jeff.

1452
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,640
I've got another zoom in a fifteen minutes, I got

1453
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,960
a head two. But it's been a great conversation. And

1454
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,439
I think one thing is it woke a lot of

1455
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:38,239
people up that have been championing pro life. And I

1456
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:40,279
think this is going to kind of wake them up

1457
01:34:40,319 --> 01:34:42,600
to saying we need to take it a step forward

1458
01:34:43,039 --> 01:34:45,520
and hopefully, you know, we can wake people up and

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01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:48,960
make this one nation under God literally, not just something

1460
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,520
that we say as a catchphrase. So before we close,

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01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,560
I give you a minute for any closing thoughts or

1462
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,119
again if you want to point anybody a certain direction.

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01:34:58,119 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate your time, George. I told you in

1464
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:04,039
my initial email, I know you well because I listened

1465
01:35:04,079 --> 01:35:06,039
to you all the time, so you're like a friend.

1466
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,319
But then you know, it's not a reciprocal situation. We

1467
01:35:09,399 --> 01:35:14,199
haven't gotten to talk except for today, so I appreciate

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01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:18,600
what you're doing. I applaud you for continuing to be

1469
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:22,960
faithful with the time and the efforts that the God

1470
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,880
has given you, the gifts that He's given you. And

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01:35:27,119 --> 01:35:30,960
I would just encourage people to you know, if you

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01:35:31,079 --> 01:35:34,920
are wondering about whether you are right with God, like

1473
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,439
you recognize that God is real and maybe you were

1474
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:40,479
in church and you grew up a bunch with a

1475
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:43,159
bunch of hypocrites, and you know that's why you really

1476
01:35:43,159 --> 01:35:45,680
want nothing to do with church. Well, I'm right there

1477
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:51,479
with you, Like the church is the body of Christ

1478
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:55,840
on this earth. The Church isn't a building. The Church

1479
01:35:55,920 --> 01:36:00,319
isn't perfect. The people of God are not perfect. I

1480
01:36:00,319 --> 01:36:05,039
would encourage you to seek God, ask him to reveal

1481
01:36:05,079 --> 01:36:08,960
himself to you. Get a Bible, start reading it. Start

1482
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:13,279
in the Book of John, read the Gospels, read through

1483
01:36:13,279 --> 01:36:17,359
the New Testament. Then maybe go back and read, you know,

1484
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,359
like the Bible over a year or something like that.

1485
01:36:22,279 --> 01:36:25,039
Get to know God's word, you know, carry it around

1486
01:36:25,039 --> 01:36:28,039
with you. Find a small, small book, start reading it.

1487
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:30,840
It is it's the living word of God. It is live,

1488
01:36:31,039 --> 01:36:34,319
it's active, it's sharper than any two edged sword. It

1489
01:36:34,359 --> 01:36:41,960
cuts to the marrow everything. It'll change you. And just

1490
01:36:42,039 --> 01:36:44,920
ask God to reveal himself through through the scriptures and

1491
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:48,960
he will. He promises to challenges you to and he will.

1492
01:36:49,039 --> 01:36:52,800
He'll show up and he'll change your life. You need

1493
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,319
to give it to him. There's not many ways to God.

1494
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,439
There is only one way. Jesus said, I am the Way,

1495
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,479
the Truth and the life. No man, no woman, no

1496
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,720
child comes to me comes to God. But through me

1497
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,840
is that is the only hope for anybody on this earth.

1498
01:37:11,079 --> 01:37:14,600
We're put here for a short time. Answer his call,

1499
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:19,399
obey your conscience. He's written his law on your hearts.

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01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:21,640
He made you in his image, he made you with

1501
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,359
the knowledge that he is. He is real, and he's

1502
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:27,279
revealed himself. He's written all of us a love letter

1503
01:37:27,359 --> 01:37:29,399
and given us a lot of details in there and

1504
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:30,760
commands to follow.

1505
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,079
Speaker 3: Basic constructions before leaving Earth. They say, right.

1506
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:36,079
Speaker 4: The Bible.

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01:37:37,279 --> 01:37:40,800
Speaker 3: So there you go. What a great conversation, brother, and

1508
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,119
tip the cap to you and all the folks in

1509
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:48,079
your organization. I did give a little like to t

1510
01:37:48,279 --> 01:37:53,800
Russell Hunter join him. So looking forward to seeing where

1511
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:58,039
this leads. And again I'll have Jeff's email address and

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01:37:58,359 --> 01:38:02,640
YouTube channel for Abolitionist Rising. And again it's Abolitionist Rising

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01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:05,159
dot com for Jeff. I'm George, God bless you. We'll

1514
01:38:05,159 --> 01:38:08,399
see you Wednesday. Grace's dad Scott, Sharah and until we

1515
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:10,560
meet again, my friends, keep your head on a swivel,

1516
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,439
in Christ in your heart and we will see it.

1517
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:21,119
Speaker 2: I know it's being struggle. I know you've had spain.

1518
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 5: I know you feeling tied hell down by all the way. Yeah,

1519
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:36,680
I know you feel it. All you smile ain't the

1520
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:43,920
same I saw were gone from you. I feel like

1521
01:38:44,039 --> 01:38:49,840
you've lost your way don't give it.

1522
01:38:50,279 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 4: No, don't give it.

1523
01:38:53,039 --> 01:38:58,159
Speaker 2: Never is home. Don't let call the Primise. It ain't done.

1524
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:03,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gone. I planned why it's a right, got up?

1525
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:12,399
Speaker 2: Give me? Come? Why wait? Coming up? Recor?

1526
01:39:19,239 --> 01:39:24,119
Speaker 5: I can see the straight beside you. Childs are putting

1527
01:39:24,359 --> 01:39:31,319
up five. Oh, you're stronger than anything you are. Yeah,

1528
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:39,960
you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a bed found beautiful.

1529
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:41,439
Speaker 4: You're shoving ride.

1530
01:39:43,039 --> 01:39:48,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, you live and breathing, moveing, you can hold your

1531
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:49,199
head a pie.

1532
01:39:53,039 --> 01:39:58,520
Speaker 2: Don't give up, No, don't give in. Neverthless home. Don't

1533
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:03,399
they gone on the Pride Armies. It ain't Donion's god.

1534
01:40:03,359 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 4: Or Claire wa some wainetail, the god of me come,

1535
01:40:09,039 --> 01:40:11,840
don't give up, No, don't give in.

1536
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:17,319
Speaker 2: You never live home. Don't let go the Primise. It

1537
01:40:17,359 --> 01:40:22,279
ain't con likeness worth than man? What's a wainetail? The

1538
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:32,560
god of bavy cold? Why surprise now, God savy colt?

1539
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, what surprise now?

1540
01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 2: The god of baby come? Oh yeah, got a little

1541
01:40:47,640 --> 01:41:01,960
TV cold. Oh, don't don't give in. Never the hol

1542
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:04,479
do they goal of the Primise?

1543
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:05,039
Speaker 1: Me?

1544
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:12,039
Speaker 2: Don ys got a plane white, God of in it

1545
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:18,479
comes and don't give no dog given, never hold. Don't

1546
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:22,680
the goal of the crimes. It ain't done. Love is

1547
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:30,079
worth living. Wats God, God of avery, coors.

1548
01:41:34,119 --> 01:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Ah, the god of needs, cos Whitsune, God of any case.

1549
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:57,159
Speaker 4: You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just the facts, ma'am.