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<v Speaker 1>Hi Jes, retired Air Force Lice colonel and retired NASA.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the author of what we call Father of the Motherplanes.

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Doctor Sky Show. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for listening to our show.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Fulton, one of the most phenomenal airplanes I think

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<v Speaker 2>of all time was the XB seventy and B seventy bomber.

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<v Speaker 2>You flew it. Talk about the B seventy bomber.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big airplane, sorr offwa's stainless steel, honey comb,

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<v Speaker 1>unusual construction. It's not my favorite airplane. Was my second favorite,

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<v Speaker 1>B fifteen being the number one. But B seventy was

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred and fifty thousand pounds, one hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five feet long and five Mark three a Florida Mark

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<v Speaker 1>three and fifty. Some of my applies to the airplane

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<v Speaker 1>and joined on had some tragedy in the program. But

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<v Speaker 1>who was a good airplane?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, sir, And let's go back one minute for the

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<v Speaker 2>B fifty eight. I think that's also a beautiful airplane.

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<v Speaker 2>But you tell our audience you flew that to over

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five thousand feet and you received the nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>two Harman International Aviation Trophy. That's a beautiful airplane.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your airplane. Has some real problems to be a

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<v Speaker 1>but live around the Air Force pause. We had the

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<v Speaker 1>obscurity fly and I'll tell you they thought you was fine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's some beautiful airplane, sir, and I want to thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for spending a time today. And one last question

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<v Speaker 2>for all the young students out there and people that

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<v Speaker 2>aspire to aviation, what do you recommend they do if

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<v Speaker 2>they want to be pilots of airplanes of the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Many things. Get some education, get some knowledge of there

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be in, try to use some light

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<v Speaker 1>plane fly and then move on up to the heavier stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have the optuities with the Air Force or

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<v Speaker 1>with commercial operation pass still have jobs available. Hard work

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<v Speaker 1>is well.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Fulton. I want to thank you for your service

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<v Speaker 2>to the United States of America and to the Air

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<v Speaker 2>Force and all of the airplanes that you've flown. I

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, sir for your time, and look forward to

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<v Speaker 2>talking to you folks. If you'd like to learn much

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<v Speaker 2>more about our special guest, Fitz Fulton, a legend and aviation,

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<v Speaker 2>get a copy of his book entitled Father of the

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<v Speaker 2>Mother Planes. Colonel. I want to thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 2>us here on the Doctor Sky Show. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for spending time with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you one of my favorite places met my wife

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<v Speaker 1>who married her. I hope we have it up to

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<v Speaker 1>meet and talk airplanes well.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to congratulate you on being married for well

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<v Speaker 2>over seventy years to the love of your life. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you fitz Fulton for joining us today. A great

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<v Speaker 2>history in the story of aviation today our very special

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<v Speaker 2>guest fits you, Ill fitz Fulton Junior, born back on

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<v Speaker 2>June sixth of nineteen twenty five. Our tribute to fitz

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton continues as I read here an article my Carl

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<v Speaker 2>Posey from Air and Space Magaze seeing Back in December

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty thirteen, entitled the Greatest test Pilot You've Never

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<v Speaker 2>Heard of? Carl Posey introduces us to Fitzfulton. The photograph

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<v Speaker 2>shows a boy of five or six, jugg eared and happy,

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<v Speaker 2>holding onto the wingstrut of a biplane, taken in rural Blakeley,

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia in the early nineteen thirties. The image captures the

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<v Speaker 2>joy afforded by small pleasures during hard times. But what

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<v Speaker 2>boy would not have cheered by being close to a real,

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<v Speaker 2>honest to goodness airplane. His mother evidently sensed the effect

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<v Speaker 2>on her son, for she labeled a photograph first Love,

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<v Speaker 2>the first of many. The boy would spend this working

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<v Speaker 2>life in the close, sometimes perilous company of aircraft, taking

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<v Speaker 2>them to war and exploring the extremes of their performance.

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<v Speaker 2>His log book, with some seventeen thousand or so hours

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<v Speaker 2>of flight in more than two hundred types of aircraft,

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<v Speaker 2>would tell the story of how aviation evolved from a

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forties onward. For this Georgia boy would be present

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<v Speaker 2>every crucial branching out of that evolutionary path, from pistons

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<v Speaker 2>to jets, subsonic to supersonic. He would fly everywhere and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>all aircraft great and small. Now eighty nine, fitz Al

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton Junior, fits to family and friends, still has his

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<v Speaker 2>mother's photos. I like that photograph, he says, we protected it.

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<v Speaker 2>He thinks the airplane was a keen or powered bird.

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<v Speaker 2>He never flew in it. He got his first flight

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<v Speaker 2>several years later when a cousin sprang for a dollar

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<v Speaker 2>ride in a Ford tri motor. After his parents separated, Fulton,

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<v Speaker 2>his two siblings moved with their mother to the larger

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia town of Columbus Or. Among other things, there was

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<v Speaker 2>what was called a real airport. He had a four

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<v Speaker 2>thousand foot grass runway and a fixed base operation that

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<v Speaker 2>flew J three cubs and Taylor Crafts in the time

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<v Speaker 2>honored way of air minded youngsters. He began hanging out

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<v Speaker 2>at the field, doing occasional chores and reaping occasion riots.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually he settled into a more organized border system, sweeping

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<v Speaker 2>the hangar, washing and fueling the airplanes. Pushing the airplanes

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<v Speaker 2>in and out of the hangar. Each was good for

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes of flight, which he hoarded, then spent twenty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes at a time. In June of nineteen forty two,

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen years old, just out of high school and not

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<v Speaker 2>yet driving a car, he soloed in a J three

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<v Speaker 2>cop In nineteen forty three, with the US Armed Forces

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<v Speaker 2>needing pilots to serve in World War II, he entered

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<v Speaker 2>the United States Army Air Force's Air Cadet program. Fledgling

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<v Speaker 2>pilots of movies and myth invariably opt for single engine

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<v Speaker 2>training with A nine, becoming fighter races. Fulton wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>fly the twin engine lockeed P thirty eight, though he

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<v Speaker 2>so chose multi engine aircraft training, but when the P

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight failed to materialize, he followed the less glamorous

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<v Speaker 2>road to transports and bombers. It was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>less traveled roads that would make all the difference. A

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<v Speaker 2>career pilot of big airplanes. Houlton would fly the bombers

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<v Speaker 2>that dropped the X fifteen and other experimental speedsters at

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<v Speaker 2>Edward's Air Force Base in California during the time now

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<v Speaker 2>regarded as the Golden Age of flight test, and that

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<v Speaker 2>experience led to opportunities in the Space Shuttle program. I

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<v Speaker 2>certainly welcomed that opportunity to drop the explains he said not.

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<v Speaker 2>He adds quickly that he was uniquely qualified. Anybody could

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<v Speaker 2>have flown the mother ships. But I had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of experience by then, and I like to think I

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<v Speaker 2>helped to train some of those people. In nineteen forty five,

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<v Speaker 2>his own train led him to Davis mont And Army

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<v Speaker 2>Airfield in Tucson, Arizona. He reported for duty on August

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<v Speaker 2>the fourteenth, but the officer checking him in the next

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<v Speaker 2>day wonted why he bothered to show up the war

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<v Speaker 2>was over. Although somewhat devoid of flight, the Tucson assignment

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<v Speaker 2>had an unexpected reward. It was there that Fulton met

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<v Speaker 2>Irma Beck, to whom he has now been married for

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<v Speaker 2>almost seventy years. Fulton was then sent to Roswell, New Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>where the three hundred and twentieth Troop Carriers Squadron was based.

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<v Speaker 2>After winning a slaught as copilot on Douglas Sea fifty fours,

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton played a supporting role in Operation Crossroads, on a

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<v Speaker 2>topic weapons project for which an armada of captured and

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<v Speaker 2>surplus warships had been assembled in a lagoon of the

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<v Speaker 2>Bikini Atol in the Marshall Islands. The first test, on

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<v Speaker 2>July the first, nineteen forty six, would detonate a fat

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<v Speaker 2>Man plutonium bomb a few hundred feet above the lagoon

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<v Speaker 2>to see what a twenty kiloton air burst woul due

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<v Speaker 2>to the ships and tethered animals below. A few weeks later,

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<v Speaker 2>a second bomb would be detonated under water. For Fulton,

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<v Speaker 2>Crossroads meant long hauls from Roswell to Quadulien, the largest

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<v Speaker 2>of the Marshall Islands, ferrying the accouterments of nuclear warfare,

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<v Speaker 2>but the flight that stands out for him took place

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<v Speaker 2>the day after the first bomb test, when he flew

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<v Speaker 2>a Sea fifty four carrying scientists and Air Force brass

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<v Speaker 2>out to see what the bomb had done. Flying over

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<v Speaker 2>the lagoon at about two hundred feet, Fulton toward the

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<v Speaker 2>affected area. It hadn't occurred, damn that the flight might

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<v Speaker 2>expose him and his passengers to harmful levels of radiation,

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<v Speaker 2>but his attention was fully on the fleet of ruined warships.

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<v Speaker 2>In June nineteen forty eight and what became the opening

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<v Speaker 2>political salvo in the Cold War, the Soviets plockaded road,

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<v Speaker 2>rail and river access to the Allied controlled sectors of Berlin,

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<v Speaker 2>then a divided city. As the Allies mounted an impossibly

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<v Speaker 2>difficult release effort, the Berlin Airlift, Western aircrews with transport

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<v Speaker 2>experience were suddenly very much in demand. Our tribute to

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest test pilot you've never heard of, fitz Fulton continues.

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<v Speaker 2>During Central Europe's formidable winter, Allied aircraft operated into and

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<v Speaker 2>out of Reeinmann, Tempelhoff and Wiesbaden only a few minutes apart,

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<v Speaker 2>undeterred by severe icing conditions, low ceilings and zero visibility sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton remembers, you didn't know you'd landed until you felt

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<v Speaker 2>the tires on the runway. It built up my confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>he says. I've always considered myself a pretty strong instrument pilot,

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<v Speaker 2>but weather was a big problem. When the air left ended,

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton headed back to the United States, this time to

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<v Speaker 2>Egglin Air Force BACE in Florida, where B twenty nine's

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<v Speaker 2>were testing new instruments. But the heat and humidity of

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<v Speaker 2>Florida's Panhandle proved more than Ginger Fulton's lungs could tolerate

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<v Speaker 2>her asthma attacks got so bad, Fulton and Irma feared

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<v Speaker 2>that they might lose their little girl. A sympathetic commanding

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<v Speaker 2>officer stepped in, and Fulton was offered a slot in

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<v Speaker 2>southern California at what would soon be called Edward's Air

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<v Speaker 2>Force Bace. He didn't know about much what was going

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<v Speaker 2>on out there, but he was certain that the change

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<v Speaker 2>in climate would help his daughter. Fulton took the transfer.

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<v Speaker 2>After settling in California's high desert, Ginger's health quickly improved.

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<v Speaker 2>Once get rated, Fulton began expanding his repertoire in the

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<v Speaker 2>early nineteen fifties, borrowing an airplane was as easy as

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<v Speaker 2>borrowing a jeep from the motor pool. And when he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a the controls of a test aircraft, Fulton sat

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<v Speaker 2>in as copilot or flew the Chase aircraft. Much of

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<v Speaker 2>test piloting is the repetitive, rather humdrum stuff that makes

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<v Speaker 2>its way into manuals as Performance Parameters and airplanes maxima

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<v Speaker 2>and minimum. Of course, nobody became a test pilot to

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<v Speaker 2>generate data. They joined for the moments. One of those

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<v Speaker 2>moments was a night flight that Fulton made in a

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<v Speaker 2>Lockheed F ninety four A which, as he turned back

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<v Speaker 2>to Edward's Air Force Bace, lost all electrical power, rendering

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<v Speaker 2>the aircraft's flaps, lights, and some critical instruments inoperable. Unable

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<v Speaker 2>to set up a normal night landing, Fulton improvised. He

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<v Speaker 2>stole the airplane, which gave him the known air speed,

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<v Speaker 2>and from there worked out a let down approach. Asked

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<v Speaker 2>today if that flight, or any flight, constituted a really

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<v Speaker 2>bad moment for him, he says, to me, troubles were opportunities.

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<v Speaker 2>The best pilot in the world can get in trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a defeatist. I like to work on problems

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<v Speaker 2>that are solvable. Early two weeks into his term as

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<v Speaker 2>a student than than the Test Pilot School at Edwards,

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton learned he was headed for Korea, where the conflict

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<v Speaker 2>was entering its second year. Unlike some of the older

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<v Speaker 2>test pilots, he had never flown in combat. On September

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<v Speaker 2>the eighteenth, nineteen fifty one, he arrived at K eight,

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<v Speaker 2>the air base at Coonsan, South Korea. A day later,

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<v Speaker 2>he began combat missions in the Douglas B twenty six Invader.

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<v Speaker 2>His commander at Edwards had promised Fulton he would try

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<v Speaker 2>in Korea, and the promise was kept. By May of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty two, Fulton was back in the Test Pilot school,

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<v Speaker 2>which he completed that November. Not quite twenty seven years old,

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<v Speaker 2>the unflappable, soft spoken Air Force captain resumed his career

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<v Speaker 2>as a test pilot of all work. He was soon

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<v Speaker 2>shuttling between Edwards and the Convet plant in Fort Worth,

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<v Speaker 2>leaking an eye altitude would freeze and hit the props

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<v Speaker 2>and then be thrown into the fuselage, sometimes even penetrating

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<v Speaker 2>for a bomb drop test from B thirty six and

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<v Speaker 2>test of what now sounds like a hair brain scheme,

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<v Speaker 2>a B thirty six carrying an RF eighty four f thunderflash,

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<v Speaker 2>big ships carrying small ones. He also began testing a

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<v Speaker 2>Martin Company's XB fifty one. One of Fulton's closest friend's

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<v Speaker 2>altitude role in the Experimental Aircraft Fulton flying a B

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nine bomb drop test that they saw the coil

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<v Speaker 2>of black smoke rising from the dry Lake. It was

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton was assigned to the test flights. On one B

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<v Speaker 2>fifty seven flight, as he came out of a loop,

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<v Speaker 2>he discovered that the control wheel had decoupled from the

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<v Speaker 2>flight control system. Pushing the wheel full forward had no

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<v Speaker 2>effect on the airplane. When things go wrong, some pilots

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<v Speaker 2>yell on the radio. That's not my style, says fits.

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<v Speaker 2>call in and they offer suggestions. When Fulton reported the problem,

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<v Speaker 2>the consensus on the ground was that he should bail out,

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<v Speaker 2>but he thought that if he used the elevator trim

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<v Speaker 2>for pitch control, he might be able to save the airplane.

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<v Speaker 2>He managed a fast, straight in landing on the dry Lake,

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<v Speaker 2>for which he was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross. The

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<v Speaker 2>B forty seven would become his favorite airplane for traveling

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<v Speaker 2>and for several years he flew it in air shows.

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<v Speaker 2>The XB fifty two in the YB fifty two, the

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<v Speaker 2>first prototypes of Boeing's latest century in the Strategic Bomber Sweepstakes,

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<v Speaker 2>were ready for testing in nineteen fifty three, and Fulton

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the time he flew the F eighty six,

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<v Speaker 2>a pace airplane, to calibrate the new aircraft's speed and

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<v Speaker 2>altitude readings, or the chase aircraft in the F eighty

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<v Speaker 2>six wasn't needed, he flew on the bomber. Before long

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<v Speaker 2>he was checked out in the XB fifty two itself.

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<v Speaker 2>The experience with the B fifty two prototype would serve

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton well in the years to come. Through the nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>the NB fifty was the airplane he flew with an

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<v Speaker 2>X fifteen or an experimental lifting body tucked under the

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<v Speaker 2>bomber's starboard wing. He flew the mother ship for ninety

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<v Speaker 2>two of the one hundred and ninety A nine X

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen launches. In all, he was the pilot for some

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty launches of the manned aircraft. The

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<v Speaker 2>first stage of the X plants had begun at Edwards

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen forties, when the Air Force and what

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<v Speaker 2>is now NASA began exploring the terra incognito of transsonic

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<v Speaker 2>and supersonic flight. B twenty nine's and their descendants B

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<v Speaker 2>After release, the xplane pilot lit the engine for minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>and these long powered flights would continue it eventually well

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<v Speaker 2>beyond mack I. Then, on empty, the little ship, equipped

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<v Speaker 2>with skids, would glide to a dry lake landing. Fulton

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<v Speaker 2>was a natural choice for piloting the motherships. He flew

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<v Speaker 2>as copilot on the first two X one drops and

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<v Speaker 2>as pilot on all his subsequent mother plane flights. He

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<v Speaker 2>flew the B twenty nines for the slightly larger and

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<v Speaker 2>more powerful X one A and B, and the Douglas

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<v Speaker 2>D five fifty eight two skyrocket. Fulton flew at B

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<v Speaker 2>fifty for the Bell X two, a hotter swept wing

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<v Speaker 2>variant of the X one, in September nineteen fifty six.

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<v Speaker 2>The new design made Fulton's colleague mel apt the first

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<v Speaker 2>man to fly faster than Mock three. It was App's

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<v Speaker 2>first flight in a rocket powered airplane and his lass

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<v Speaker 2>tumbling out of control in a supersonic turn. The X

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<v Speaker 2>two killed him and was a sad day for all

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<v Speaker 2>of us. Rode Fulton, and that the same high speed

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<v Speaker 2>instability later showed up on other new high performance airplanes.

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<v Speaker 2>The late nineteen forties was also the error of the

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<v Speaker 2>right stuff, the term coined by the author Tom Wolf

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<v Speaker 2>to describe the amalgam of courage, cockiness, patriotism, airmanship, and

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<v Speaker 2>rowdiness required to be a test pilot. Fulton, although endowed

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<v Speaker 2>with everything but the routy part. He drinks no alcohol,

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<v Speaker 2>coffee or tea, was not really conscious that he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to become another of aviation's golden ages. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>recognize it until later, he says. As far as the

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<v Speaker 2>right stuff, everybody talked about it, says Fulton. When the

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<v Speaker 2>film was released in nineteen eighty three, he saw the

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<v Speaker 2>movie at the Base theater. It was good entertainment, he says,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody laugh. The women didn't like it, says Irma, because

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<v Speaker 2>it made us look a little stupid. Fulton had another

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<v Speaker 2>motive for keeping clear of the cowboys side of test piloting.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so appreciative of getting the fly airplanes to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it was don't tilt the boat. By the mid nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>aircraft designers had turned toward the triangular delta wing, which,

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<v Speaker 2>while presenting some challenges at lower speeds, offered to transform

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<v Speaker 2>the dreaded sound barrier from a wall into a membrane

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<v Speaker 2>through which the aircraft could pass with barely a ripple.

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<v Speaker 2>In the United States, Converair was leading the trend. Overseas,

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<v Speaker 2>the delta wing had made its way onto Britain's Avro

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<v Speaker 2>Vulcan and the Vickers Valiant bombers, and the Anglo French Concord.

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton was sent to Boscombe Downs, the British counterpart to

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<v Speaker 2>Edwards to learn from Britain's experience. He flew both the

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<v Speaker 2>Valiant and the Vulcan, and later the Concord. Accustomed to

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<v Speaker 2>the almost weatherless Edward sky. He was somewhat amused by

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<v Speaker 2>the British test pilot's willingness to fly in any weather.

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<v Speaker 2>His hosts explained that if they couldn't fly their test

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<v Speaker 2>in English weather, they couldn't fly their tests at all.

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<v Speaker 2>The quick trips to see Britain's delta wing bombers were

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<v Speaker 2>in fact a prelude to Fulton's next assignment. Down in

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<v Speaker 2>fort Worth, convey was building the Bee fifty eight Hustler,

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<v Speaker 2>a four engine delta wing bomber with the speed and

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<v Speaker 2>high altitude performance of a supersonic fighter. Under the fuselage,

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<v Speaker 2>it would carry a nuclear payload in a large streamlined pod.

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<v Speaker 2>After it dropped its bomb and discarded the pod, it

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<v Speaker 2>would come home McLean. The Bee fifty eight had its

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<v Speaker 2>course for one thing. There was a large amount of

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<v Speaker 2>fuel to be wrangled. You go supersonic, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>move the fuel aft, Fulton explains, and when you slow down,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't move the fuel forward, you go unstable.

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<v Speaker 2>You spin. Some would say that they were real bad moments,

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<v Speaker 2>he says, but these were test pilots standing in line

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<v Speaker 2>just to fly the Bee fifty eight. Visiting General was

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<v Speaker 2>the first Air Force pilot to fly the Bee fifty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and Fulton was the second. Despite its idiosyncrasies, the Hustler

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<v Speaker 2>would become Fulton's all time favorite. It was super fast

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<v Speaker 2>for its time, He says. I was project pilot and

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<v Speaker 2>helped shape the airplane. And there was something else you said.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd never considered myself a true fighter Piloty explains, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do enjoy flying airplanes with only one seat. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton became the project pilot for the Bee fifty eight

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<v Speaker 2>at Edwards. His responsibilities included evaluating the hustler's behavior when

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<v Speaker 2>near maximum gross waite an engine was lost on takeoff.

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<v Speaker 2>The test involved accelerating to the decision speed and cutting

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<v Speaker 2>one of the outboard engines at or above that speed.

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<v Speaker 2>The pilot must continue the takeoff no matter what. On

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<v Speaker 2>one such test, Fulton had cut an outboard engine just

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<v Speaker 2>before taking off at one hundred and ninety knots that's

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<v Speaker 2>around two hundred and eighteen miles per hour. When the

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<v Speaker 2>right main gear's tires, all light of them, began to disintegrate.

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton felt nothing in the controls, but noticed rubber fragments

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<v Speaker 2>spewing out on his right. He continued to take off, however,

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<v Speaker 2>and after a lookout and look over by fellow test

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<v Speaker 2>pilots and an F one hundred, turned the hobble B

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<v Speaker 2>fifty eight toward home. Landed at one hundred knots. He

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<v Speaker 2>remembers not the usual one hundred and fifty pulled up

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<v Speaker 2>the nose, pulled it up slow, set it down and

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<v Speaker 2>dropped the nose wheels for steering. In September nineteen sixty two,

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton flew up B fifty eight with a payload of

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand kilograms slightly more than eleven thousand pounds to

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five thousand, three hundred and sixty four feet, setting

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<v Speaker 2>world records for both two thousand and five thousand kilogram payloads.

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<v Speaker 2>For those flights and his other work with the B

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<v Speaker 2>and I quote, the world's outstanding aviator for nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>two end of quote. President Lyndon Johnson awarded him the

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<v Speaker 2>trophy at the White House in September nineteen sixty four.

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<v Speaker 2>In his book, Fulton writes, during the ceremony, I was

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<v Speaker 2>standing right behind the President and could read his notes.

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<v Speaker 2>It was all over so quickly. The Harmon trophy is

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<v Speaker 2>big and heavy, but I carried it back to the

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<v Speaker 2>hotel and onto our appliant for the trip back to California.

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<v Speaker 2>That same month saw the first flight of North American

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<v Speaker 2>Aviation's XB seventy Valkyrie prototype, a MOCK three plus strategic

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<v Speaker 2>bomber intended as a successor to the B fifty two,

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton flew Chase in a B fifty eight while he

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<v Speaker 2>and several colleagues spent a couple of years learning about

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<v Speaker 2>the radical new bomber An airplane. He said that would

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<v Speaker 2>be close runner up to the B fifty eight in

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<v Speaker 2>his admiration. Fulton had by then come to an important

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<v Speaker 2>decision regarding his career. Offered a posting to the prestigious

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<v Speaker 2>Air War College at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama,

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<v Speaker 2>he declined, fearing it would put him behind a desk.

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<v Speaker 2>In April of nineteen sixty six, he filed his retirement

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<v Speaker 2>request affected at the end of June. Meanwhile, he continued

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<v Speaker 2>flying the Valkyrie. On June eighth of nineteen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton was scheduled to fly the XB seventy in a

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<v Speaker 2>test run. They would segue into a calendar photoshoot for

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<v Speaker 2>General Electric showing a close formation of GE powered aircraft

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<v Speaker 2>and F four B T thirty eight, F one O

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<v Speaker 2>But word came that a pilot was needed for an

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<v Speaker 2>X fifteen drop from the NB fifty two, and Fulton

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<v Speaker 2>was reassigned. The X fifteen drop was subsequently canceled, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was too late to change the pilot roster for

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<v Speaker 2>the XB seventy. Major Carl Cross would pilot the XB

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<v Speaker 2>seventy with al White as copilot. The Valkyrie completed its

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<v Speaker 2>test program and settled into a photo session for some

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<v Speaker 2>forty minutes. All went well, but then the F one

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<v Speaker 2>o four drifted in toward the bomber, drawn perhap apps

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<v Speaker 2>by the XB seventy's whig vortex. The fighter bumped a

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<v Speaker 2>larger airplanes wing, then nosed up and inverted raked across

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<v Speaker 2>stabilizers and most of the other. The F one o

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<v Speaker 2>four pilot was killed second later, the Valkyrie rolled into

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<v Speaker 2>a violent spin, losing part of one wing. Al White

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<v Speaker 2>successfully ejected in his escape capsule. Carl Cross went down

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<v Speaker 2>with the aircraft. I've always thought that if I had

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<v Speaker 2>prevented the accident. You changed the players, you changed the outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>NASA wasn't quite finished with the Valkyrie. It wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>use the remaining prototype in a high speed flight research

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<v Speaker 2>program with the Air Force. Fulton, now a retired Air

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<v Speaker 2>Force lieutenant colonel, came to NASA with the airplane as

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<v Speaker 2>primary project pilot, working with Donald Malick, then a research

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<v Speaker 2>pilot at NASA's Edwards based Dryden Flight Research Center. Like

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in the test program in the pilot community, Malick

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<v Speaker 2>had heard of Fulton, but this was the men's first

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<v Speaker 2>time working together. Fulton and Colonel Joe Cotton, who'd been

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<v Speaker 2>the primary Air Force pilot in the Valkyrie, began a

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<v Speaker 2>checkout program for Malick and Lieutenant Colonel Ted Stermthal Flying

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<v Speaker 2>the XB seventy was quite an experience for me, Malick said.

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<v Speaker 2>Fitz and Colonel Cotton were the instructor pilots. Ted and

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<v Speaker 2>I flew with one of them and all the test flights,

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<v Speaker 2>a senior pilot and a junior pilot. I flew a

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<v Speaker 2>total of nine flights. I was able to fly four

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<v Speaker 2>of these flights from the left seat, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>proud that Fitz did not look on me as just

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<v Speaker 2>a co pilot. He shared the flying and the testing.

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<v Speaker 2>Fulton and Malick would then fly something even hotter, the

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<v Speaker 2>lockeyed Blackbird, in the form of the YF twelve A

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<v Speaker 2>and the YF twelve SE, which was actually the highly

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<v Speaker 2>classified SR seventy one in the skies. The pilots each

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<v Speaker 2>made more than one hundred flights in the Blackbird. Fitz

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<v Speaker 2>and I alternated flights for a most ten years from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy nine, says Malik. I always

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<v Speaker 2>had the feeling that I was a better pilot because

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to fly with him and share programs

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<v Speaker 2>like the Blackbirds. As the Blackbird research ended, they arranged

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<v Speaker 2>for an unforgettable going away present for their comrades. As

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<v Speaker 2>before the last YF twelve was returned to the Air Force,

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<v Speaker 2>they led each pilot in the office fly the Blackbird

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<v Speaker 2>to Mock three. A key element in developing NASA's Space

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<v Speaker 2>Shuttle was finding a way to airlift the orbiter. NASA

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<v Speaker 2>chose a Stock seven forty seven to one hundred name

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<v Speaker 2>primary NASA project pilot Fulton. He checked out in the

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<v Speaker 2>seven forty seven. I felt fully qualified, but was surprised

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<v Speaker 2>that so little time in the airplane was needed to

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<v Speaker 2>make it legal for me to fly it, Fulton writes

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<v Speaker 2>in his book. All he needed was a thirty minute

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<v Speaker 2>flight and one landing. NASA nine oh five, as the

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<v Speaker 2>first shuttle carrier was called, was flown to Seattle for

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<v Speaker 2>nine months of modification at the Boeing Factory. Its first

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<v Speaker 2>flight with the shuttle was made in February of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy seven, with Enterprise attached to struts on the seven

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<v Speaker 2>forty seven's upper fuselage. A few months later, the seven

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<v Speaker 2>explosive bolts tethering the shuttle were triggered and Enterprise soared

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<v Speaker 2>away on its historic wide to the Edwards runway. The

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<v Speaker 2>seven forty seven had a strong pitch down when the

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<v Speaker 2>release occurred, Writes Folded in his book. I had to

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<v Speaker 2>pull the control column aft with about ninety to one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds of force. There was still a slight increase

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<v Speaker 2>in the nose down pitch trim. The indicated airspeed increased

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<v Speaker 2>to approximately three hundred and twenty knots for a few seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>just like a glider releasing from its toeplane. The shuttle

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<v Speaker 2>turned to the right after launch, and we turned to

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<v Speaker 2>the left. The Shuttle seven forty seven combos NASA operated

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<v Speaker 2>two of them, remained an amazing sight to the end,

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<v Speaker 2>and never more so on the final flight across the

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<v Speaker 2>United States in twenty twelve. By then they had taken

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<v Speaker 2>many a star turn, not the one at the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three Paris Air Show, where Fulton flew the mother

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<v Speaker 2>plane with the orbiter for the crowds every day. Fulton

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<v Speaker 2>retired from NASA in nineteen eighty six, then spent three

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<v Speaker 2>years as a test pilot for Bert Rutan's scale composites

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<v Speaker 2>in Jjave, California. He and Irma lived in Thousand Oaks, California,

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<v Speaker 2>nearly an hour's drive from Edwards. Grounded by Parkinson's disease,

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<v Speaker 2>he misses having an airplane in his life. I'd still

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<v Speaker 2>be flying if I could pass the physical, he says.

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<v Speaker 2>Although he flew transports and bombers throughout his career, Fulton

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<v Speaker 2>ever quite got over the glovelike fit of smaller aircraft.

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<v Speaker 2>He owned a fair Child twenty four and because he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted a four seater in which he could teach his

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<v Speaker 2>family to fly, Assessina one seventy two. His last airplane

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<v Speaker 2>was a Meyer little toot Home built, a tiny biplane

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<v Speaker 2>he saw after delivering the first Shuttle to the Kennedy

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<v Speaker 2>Space Center in Florida. While technicians practiced loading the Orbiter

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<v Speaker 2>onto the carrier and unloading it. Fulton wandered off to

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<v Speaker 2>it nearby airfield where he saw the Little Tout. He

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was a good looking airplane that would be

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<v Speaker 2>fun to fly back at. Edwards, he and Irma decided

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<v Speaker 2>to buy it. He returned and picked up the Little

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<v Speaker 2>Too for a five day ferry back to California. The

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia Boy and his biplane, the Doctor Sky and Photo

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<v Speaker 2>Reconsalute to the greatest test pilot you never heard of,

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<v Speaker 2>retired United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel fitz Fulton. A

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<v Speaker 2>reread of an article by Carl Posey of Air and

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<v Speaker 2>Space Magazine, December of twenty thirteen,
