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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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We'd love to hear from you, and it's definitely nice

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to have you back. Molly. Your voice was out last week.

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It's sort of back, right.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing much better now. I hope I can make

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it through this. And yeah, I'm sorry I was unable

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to talk last week.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll win some debates now that you can respond.

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I love what I'm on Twitter and everyone's like, I

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can't wait till Molly dunks on. You teaches you the

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right way to think about.

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Speaker 2: This, as if I've ever had any influence on that

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at all. But anyway, let's of course you have. Let's

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get into it.

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Speaker 1: So when I was thinking about this week's episode, I

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was thinking, there are so many things going on at

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the same time that it's like almost difficult to decide

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what even to start talking about. It's a barrage, right, Well.

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Speaker 2: The strategy seems to be from the Trump administration to

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just do things every day and almost keep the enemies

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of the Trump administration off their footing.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, go on, Well, I figured we could start

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with last night's press conference was that Trump had with

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Benjamin N'tagna, who the Prime Minister of Israel, in which

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he said a lot of things that I think, surprise

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for you all. I was. I was blown away by

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this press conference. I was blown away. Now, obviously, the

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most newsworthy thing he said was that the United States

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was going to own Gaza. Someone online said from the

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riviera to the sea. You know, he is going to

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make it, you know, a beautiful place. He's going to

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move out all the Gazins, the Palestinians, rebuild it, let

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people come back, maybe long term. Now, I suspect I

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just want to preface all that. First of all, it

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wasn't the only thing he said. I just thought, well, actually,

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let me just preface this by saying, I don't actually

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think that's ever going to happen. You know, I don't

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think that the United States is going to own Gaza.

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I don't even really believe that Donald Trump wants to

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own Gaza. I don't know what he's going what's going on.

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But as usual, I think he's throwing a bomb in

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and re calibrating the entire debate. The expectation of the

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of the Brookings Institution people and the swamp and everything

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is that one day there'll be a Palestinian state in

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Gaza and that's just what's going to happen sooner or later.

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And Trump's like, actually, there might just be a casino.

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There are no Palestine student. I mean, it completely starts

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the debate over anyway. I don't know what did you

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think when you first heard that?

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Speaker 2: So I have been really sick. So I'm hearing little

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snippets and I saw little tidy things. So I'd like

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to watch the whole debate, but I have so many

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the whole press conferences, press conference, but I have so

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many thoughts about this in general. Do you know we've

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referenced before the time we met with Jared Kushner in

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the first Trump administration when he laid out his plan

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for the Abraham Accords, and we very politely listened and

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asked questions, left the White House and said to each

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other that that was a very nice meeting, but that

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we were pretty sure that no other country would ever

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sign an accord with Israel like the one he was plotting.

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Speaker 1: Did we say, dude's crazy if something like that, I

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feel like.

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Speaker 2: We might have been more positive, but we just thought

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it was completely unrealistic.

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Speaker 1: Now for sure.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I remember that he said was

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that the Trump administration view was that the Palestinians would

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get the first sort of right in this contract negotiation.

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They would be the first people that the offer was

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brought to to have a peaceful accord with Israel, to

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start treating themselves less like permanent refugees and more like

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normal human beings who want to flourish. But that if

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they said no, they didn't have veto power over the

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whole thing. If they said no, they were just going

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to move on to the next country.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that, Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I feel like is the

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different view of Trump versus what much much of the

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world was thinking. Before Trump. They just gave Palestinians veto

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authority over everything that was happening in the region, and

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ass adults, but they don't have veto power. And since

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then we saw the Palestinians launch a war or sorry,

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I should really just say Hamas because it's not all Palestinians,

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and I'm sorry for that. But Hamas launched a war.

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They lost that war. They're losing that war horrifically, and

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there are consequences to launching and losing a war that

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might include that their little permanent refugee grift that they've

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been running doesn't continue. I don't think people realize, like

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the whole stick there is that when they lost their

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war with Israel with what became, you know, the powers

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of Israel in the forties, they became refugees, they say.

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And you know, I'm very sympathetic to how awful that

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war was and how bad it was for the Arab people,

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but they lost, you know, and so they said there

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were refugees, and thus began like a global situation of

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being tree like they were refugees for the next eighty years.

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So they claim to live in refugee camps, you know,

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in both the West Bank and Gaza. And I think

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Trump's saying like, okay, well, let's just not do this

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refugee thing anymore, you know, or if you want to

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be refugees, you can be refugees. Elsewhere in the UN

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can support you elsewhere, but it's causing such a problem

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to have you be in this space that that can't continue.

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Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's exactly right. Now. I would just stress

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that the refugee think so most Gozins are claimed to

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be refugees. They're only around fifty thousand people in Gaza

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nineteen forty eight. Now there are millions. There's an entire

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UN agency that props up this idea that you can

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be a refugee for seventy years, just sitting around waiting

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to go back to your home in Tel Aviv. Right, So,

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if that's true, if these people are actually refugees, why

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can't they be refugees in Egypt? Why can't they be

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refugees in Jordan? Gaza is not their home. They're waiting

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to go home home. Why must they live under hamas rule?

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Why must they be martyred for Hamas's cause? Now in

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nineteen forty eight, After nineteen forty eight, around seven hundred

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and fifty thousand Jews were expelled from the Islamic world.

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At the same time, Jews didn't create refugee camps, you know,

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outside of Jerusalem and waiting for them to go back home.

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They made they brought them in and assimilated them into

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society and gave them lives. No one thinks of themselves

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that way. It is it is a It is a

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crime against humanity what these Arab countries, including Jordan and Egypt,

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have done to the Palestinian people, who they used as

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a cudgel against Israel. You know, the only people who

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you know, there are fifty million Kurds. No one does

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that with them. It's just this one area because of Jews. Anyway,

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people say, you know, like this is a terrible idea,

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We're going to invade another Middle Eastern country. I don't

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want to do that. I don't want to put one

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American in harm's way for Gaza or anything like that.

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But why can't we ask them if they want to leave?

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And why can't we pressure Jordan, which incidentally, during the

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partition plan, like you say, they lost wars, They've lost

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six seven wars. They constantly want to reset history back

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to pre nineteen forty eight. No, it doesn't work like

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that anywhere else in the world. Anyway, I'm going on

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this is like another Ted talk, but it is perfectly legitimate.

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To ask them and to incentivize them to leave there.

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somewhere else and then rebuild that place and make it

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a place that's, you know, that works for everyone and

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is more peaceful. I think the core or the kind

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of the seed of Trump's idea is a good one.

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It's happened in a thousand places in the world, you know.

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Speaker 2: So this is not totally related, but the whole thing

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reminds me of one of my very favorite stories about

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me as a reporter, which I'm sure I've said like before,

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but when I was in the West Bank in Ramaala,

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like you know, thirteen years ago or something, and interviewing

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sayib Ericott and he has kind and the guy famous

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for the negotiating the Oslo Accords for the Palestinians, and

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my first question to him, I did not know that

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the culture in Palestine Monkst Palestinians is to not ask

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questions of leaders, so I just treated it like a

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normal reporting assignment, completely ignorant to the culture. So my

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first question was about that permanent refugee thing and why

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they weren't just focused more on uplifting the economic prospects

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of the people she did not like. And then my

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second question was that I wondered if he was sending

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mixed messages by claiming to be opposed to suicide bombings

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while also going to his nephew's funeral who was a

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suicide bomber, which you know, I thought there was like

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a totally reasonable explanation for it, but I was just

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trying to Anyway, I and the other reporters I was

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with got kicked out of Ramala for these questions.

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of you, Amali. I'm always proud when I

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hear that story, a woman asking this man these questions.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea how dangerous it was while I'm

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doing it, but anyway, Yeah, the economic game is not

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good for anyone. I mean, we talk a lot about

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how the people there in the Gaza Strip support Hamas,

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and that's true. They've also been horribly mistreated by their

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own leaders, who keep them in a less economically viable

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situation than they should be and who do it for

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political gain. And so it would just be great to

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end the entire game there, which has resulted in disaster

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for both Israel and the Palestinians.

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Speaker 1: So like the tariffs on Mexico and Canada, which we

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will discuss in a minute. This could be Trump saying, listen,

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this is something that can happen Jordan, Egypt, you know,

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Saudi Arabia. Maybe you should start to think about helping

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these people rebuild, Start to think about what the world

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could look like if there is a you know, if

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if Gaza looks like Dubai. Now, obviously they're not under

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an ocean of oil, so I don't think that's going

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to happen. But maybe he's pressuring them to take in

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some refugees. You know, I always think about this. We

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in the West, we have like a moral imperative to

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take in refugees. You know, if you don't, you're you're

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a hater, et cetera. But Arab countries and Islamic countries

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have no imperative to take in their own people. Just

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we have to import all these people. They never have to.

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I mean, there is literally no ethnic difference between a

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Gosen and someone in Jordan, but yet they take almost

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no refugees.

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Speaker 2: The thing that worries me about what I've heard about

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what Trump was saying though, was yeah, definitely do not

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want Americans involved in any kind of military any more

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involved than we already are, particularly in any kind of

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military operation there. I also don't love the idea that

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Israel has bombed the Gaza Strip into oblivion and then

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we're the ones who pay for the cleanup, like they

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chose a particular approach to eradicating Hamas and I totally

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think it's their business. I mean, not that you can't

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weigh in on what you think about it, but it's

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there a decision they made. But there is an aspect

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of it that seems to be that they should also

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be dealing with the expense of rebuilding, Like you can't

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actually have these Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip right

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now in many parts because of the destruction there. That's

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another issue that people are just not talking about. It's

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so utterly destroyed that it's unsafe for inhabitation and much

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of it. So, but why should that be? That was

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the decision made by the Israelis, which is, you know,

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they were responding to a war that they did not

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start in this case. But I don't like the idea

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that it's our job to clean it up unless there

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is some you know, massive payoff, like it would be

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kind of funny to have an American outpost there with

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great beautiful Mediterranean beaches.

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Speaker 1: Well, you wouldn't have to have them anymore in these

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Gulf States, and you wouldn't have to have them all over.

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If America actually owned a piece of guys and had

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a base there, I think it would be the best

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spot for it. But you know whatever, I agree, I

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don't want to put Americans in danger, and I don't

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really think Americans should pay for a rebuild, and I

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want to you know, I know that people might not

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understand this, but it is highly unlikely. I don't have

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any I haven't spoken to anyone yet, but it's highly

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unlikely that the Israelis actually want to see American souliers

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put in danger. They know that they would be blamed

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for that, and that would hurt their relationship with the

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United States. You know. I just it seems very unlikely

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to me that they actually want the US there. I

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think they would be happy to see some Palestinian refugees leave,

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but I doubt very much that they would want to

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see the Americans there. But see where it goes. I

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suspect that this is just a negotiating tactic. I mean,

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it was funny because as as Trump was speaking, you

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could see Benjamin Natanna, who trying to hold back his laughter.

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Speaker 2: Like what I was just going to say the little

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clip I saw, he had this like very funny grin

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about everything that was being said. But can you take

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us through everything else that was said at the or

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the other things you were said, Well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for thank you for bringing that up. I

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don't remember the exact wording, but Trump had had also

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said that he was looking into it. The administration was

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going to look into how they felt about Israel annexing Judea,

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like I can even use the word West Bank, which

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just is amazing. But you know, there's such a dramatic

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change from the last administration on this, But that to

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me is almost more important. I Mean everyone says, you know,

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uses the media, media and un you know, endorsed phrases

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like occupied territory and refuge ges and settlements and all that.

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territory is being was fought over in a war. It

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was never a country. You know, it's disputed, there's no

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no one's occupied whatever. I've always thought that Israel should

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create a defend you know, defensible border there by annixing

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certain land maybe giving back some other land elsewhere to Palestinians.

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And no American administration has ever endorsed that idea, and

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Trump might and I think that that is maybe even

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bigger news than this Gaza thing, which probably won't happen.

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the idea that there has to be a Palestinian state

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is not really on the table with him, and it

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doesn't need to be a Palestinian state. I hope there

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never is really unless they change their ways, and I

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think that that's important as well. Anyway you want to

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talk about, Yeah, sorry, I have something.

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Speaker 2: Else, that weird thing that people talk about forty or

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three D chess or whatever. Yeah, what is the praise?

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Obviously not three?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I just said sixty. I

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don't know what they usually say.

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Speaker 2: But it does seem that, in fact, his approach is

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so simple, but people keep being shocked by it constantly,

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Like he wrote the book about it, the Art of

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the Deal.

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Speaker 1: I read Art of the Deal recently, and it's just to.

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Speaker 2: Make an outlandish first offer and then it breaks people

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out of their normal way of thinking, and then you

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can negotiate for what you really want.

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Speaker 1: He sounds it like controlled hyperbole or something in the book.

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I forget the exact wording.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean definitely, like even Fetterman, who I do

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not like and I hate it when Republicans are like

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so pleased by him.

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Speaker 1: But he was.

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Speaker 2: Saying something about how it was a provocative suggestion what

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to do with with the Gaza strip, but that new

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ways of thinking were needed about this, and I was like, yeah,

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you don't need to like freak out about it necessarily.

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I mean, I would freak out if like this is

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Liz Cheney's next war enacted by Donald Trump, that would

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be horrific. I doubt it will be, but I you know,

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I'm always nervous when any US official starts talking about

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a permanent presence in Israel or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but people should, like I said, I'm

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against that kind of thing, but I will say that,

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you know, the idea that this is like Iraq or

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something Hamas has been really destroyed, and you know it

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wouldn't be that sort of thing. I just I think

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it's a mistake. I think about American Zain bre Root

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in the early eighties. You're dealing with Hazbalah, You're dealing

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with Iran, You're dealing with you know, Hamas Islami shi

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Had Muslim Brotherhood. These are dangerous groups. You don't really

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want to be meshed within them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But I but even like on the expansion of

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the country, I mean, I'm not opposed to strategic expansion.

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I think that Alaska was a great purchase. I'm glad

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with the Louisiana purchase. Like I like all these things.

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I would love to get Greenland, and I think that's

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strategically a very important thing if we could somehow work

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something out with them and make that a US territory.

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I do wish we had control over the Panama Canal.

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A permanent presence in the Middle East for the purpose

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of war is not something that makes me nearly so excited.

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it's just, you know, it's I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, we have a basis in Saudi Arabia and Qatar

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and elsewhere. Why can't you just have one base in

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Gaza That would But I.

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Speaker 2: Don't love those either, That's what I understand. I would

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like to be focused on China other things.

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Speaker 1: So, but like you said, you know, exerting or strength

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leads to peace sometimes, and Americans being there do maybe

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make the world a more peaceful place. Again, I'm not

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one of these. I'm not a neoconn or anything, but

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I'm not. You know, there's a balance to these things,

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you know. So I don't know. We'll see where it goes.

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You know, you never know what this guy is the

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thing is going to go. I you know, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I thought next week could talk because to me, it's

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almost similar in a way the tariff situation with Canada

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and Mexico, and to maybe a lesser degree China, which

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I tend to think is its own problem. And I'm

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gonna say we probably disagree on this. I don't think

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it was this great move. I don't think we gain

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that much from doing it. As you know, I oppose

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any kind of tariffs. Really. Here's what happens with Trump,

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though he'll say tariff's are great in and of themselves.

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I want to be like McKinley. I want to get

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rid of the income tax. I want to just run

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the country on tariffs. So David Harsani goes out there

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and he's like, well, here are the problems with that, A,

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B and C. And then Trump's you know, rescinds his

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tariffs because he just wants to gain whatever, you know,

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more Mexicans on the border with soldiers on the border,

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and everyone's like, you're such a fool, You're such a

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fool that you fell for that Trump is thinking way about.

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But the problem is that a ton of Trump boosters

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and Trump fans go out there and then defend tariffs

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in and of themselves too, you know, you know, like

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how am I supposed to debate within this kind of

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with these rules that are constantly changing.

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Speaker 2: I have two somewhat contradictory thoughts here. One is that

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I actually am You know, the country was funded by

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tariffs back when it had a much smaller government, and

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the introduction of the income tax coincided with a horrific

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and unconstitutional expansion of government through this unaccountable administrative state.

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So I'm not. I am one of those people who

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also thinks that tariffs are not the worst way to

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fund the government, and I believe less bad than the

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current taxation regime. But I also learned a lot during

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the first Trump administration when at that meeting up in

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Canada with world leaders, they were freaking out about Trump's

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tariff proposal, and he was like, I mean, we could

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just all go to zero tariffs if you want it,

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I'll do that today. And they were like no, no, no,

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no no. And it made me realize, like, oh, this

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is like every single other thing. This is a negotiation tactic.

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But also it's one that works. I mean, we do

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have power as such a large economy, and it is

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true that Canada and Mexico have benefited mightily from being

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our neighbors. In some cases, they don't just take advantage

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of that, they are materially undermining our security and health.

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And I think the fact that Mexico is basically a

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government run by the cartel right now is a great

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example of that. But also Canada has taken advantage of

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the security that we provide them to just not care

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as much as they should about their own immigration policy,

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their border policies. You know, they need to clean up

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their situation. And I I personally wish that we cared

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a million times more about Canada and Mexico and other

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near neighbors than we do about Ukraine, the Middle East,

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et cetera.

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Speaker 1: We have.

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Speaker 2: After being overinvolved in these other things far away, we've

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been under involved in the security that's near. And so

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I am glad that Canada and Mexico took it seriously.

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I'm glad that they're beginning to talk about what to

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do and do it in a much more serious way.

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Mexico has more to do than Canada, but they both

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have a lot to do to secure the border, take

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more responsibility for their own defense and not just be

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taking advantage of us and free riding off of a

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lot of our strength and economy.

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree that income taxes are the wrong way

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to tax citizens. I prefer some kind of vattax or something,

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you know, some kind of consumption tax I think would

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be better, but it's never going to happen because there's

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so many vested interests in the income tax and things

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like that. Anyway, the best way I agree, also to

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help us with Mexico is to try to help maybe

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lift Mexico into first world status instead of third world status.

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But I don't really know how we can do that,

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you know, I mean, I think we've tried, and yes,

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we can pummel any nation into submission that we want. Right.

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But this but as soon as Trump announced tariffs, a

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bunch of people went out there and started talking about

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trade deficits and all the usual stuff, as if we

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don't benefit from trade ourselves, which we do. Even Trump,

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I think, and I forgot his language, admitted that there

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could be pain involved when we put tariffs in place,

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probably inflation. So you know, it's if you want to

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use the threat of tariffs. For instance, what did he

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do before? Oh yeah, Columbia, he just Columbian president basically

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surrendered within like ten minutes of hearing Trump threaten him

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with tariffs, right, he should take his own citizens. I'm

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completely on board with that kind of stuff. And China's

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a different story because they are you know, they're an

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enemy of the United States in any way, so I

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understand that.

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Speaker 2: I actually, you know, people were the Canadians were upset

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because the tariff on China was like ten percent and

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one on Canada was thirty percent or something. I don't

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remember what the numbers were, but way higher twenty five.

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I think the one on China is still enacted, and

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it's about these It also relates to these products that

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have been able to be shipped from China with basically

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no scrutiny. I think that's the one that's going to

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be a really big issue, and I haven't seen nearly

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enough coverage on that. There is this cheap economy that's

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run through China that you know, is causing problems with

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our own economy just because of how much kind of

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steals intellectual property, which a lot of people think of

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as really big things, like you know, scientific knowledge, but

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it also can just be fashion or you know, artistry

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of some kind, and they copy it and they reproduce

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it for cheap, and they're you know, just kind of

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like skimming off of the economy without much scrutiny because

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it's so difficult to scrutinize like individual packages from China.

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It'll just be interesting to see what happens there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I am concerned about the turn against

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free trade, not in maybe in action, but in rhetoric

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and in the way people think, you know, that people

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are ripping us off when no, there we're buying stuff

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from them that we like and need at affordable prices.

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bigger than it's ever been. Fewer people work in manufacturing now,

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we don't have the manufacturing base that we should have

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for our own security. It doesn't work as a complete

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free trade issue when there are borders involved. We don't

479
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have the capability of building certain things start to finish

480
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in our own country in a way that could cause

481
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major problems in a global conflict. So, yeah, we've got

482
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a good manufacturing base, but we have also offshored a

483
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:23,759
lot of that without thinking through not just the consequences

484
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on our people, but the consequences on our security. So

485
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,160
I don't disagree with what you're saying, and I totally

486
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,960
agree that the importance of letting markets work on fetter.

487
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:38,960
It is really key. Oh my gosh, this reminds me

488
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,279
of something hilarious. I saw someone said this to me. There's,

489
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,200
you know, the Bulwark publication that's so crazy. There's this

490
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,039
guy who works there who used to work at the

491
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:53,880
Weekly Standard named Jonathan Last who I saw on TV

492
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,279
and he is looking rough, so I hope he's physically

493
00:27:57,319 --> 00:27:59,720
and you know, physically okay, he did not look good,

494
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:03,160
but I saw this a little still shot of him.

495
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But he sent out a special edition of The Bulwark

496
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:10,000
on Sunday night and he said, you'll see why I'm

497
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:13,279
doing this. It's because we're about to see, you know,

498
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:16,799
a catastrophic drop in the markets. And so his's because

499
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of the tariff threat. And his whole thing was like

500
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what to do, what each level of drop in the

501
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,359
market would mean, and so he had four categories. The

502
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,920
first was like a zero to five percent drop, and

503
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,200
then it was a five to seven, seven to nine,

504
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:32,640
and it was like more than nine percent and what

505
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,039
it means and it was this, you know, basically like

506
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:37,519
a prediction that the country was about to go off

507
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:44,200
the cliff because of Donald Trump's tariff threats. Of course,

508
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,799
like the market does drop, but like at the level

509
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:50,119
of four tenths of a percent or something like that.

510
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:54,559
And so he was over on bluing on whatever that's

511
00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:57,160
called Blue On the bluing on Place Blue Sky.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was like blun On's an excellent book

513
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,240
that was out in November, and he.

514
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Speaker 2: Was really upset that the markets had not dropped much.

515
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And he said, I guess this means the markets don't

516
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,880
work anymore either, and that the markets are yet another

517
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,079
institution that's capitulating to a Donald Trump regime. And it was,

518
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,079
you know, he seemed very mentally unwell as well as

519
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:21,960
physically at lost.

520
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 3: It.

521
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:23,799
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I think I think the market

522
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:25,599
would take a big hit if we had twenty five

523
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:29,319
percent tariffs on Mexico and Canada. But when the market

524
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:31,279
fell and market falls, and then a lot of people

525
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,160
see deals that they can get in on because they're

526
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,680
not insane and they don't care about Trump. They care

527
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,880
about making money, you know what I mean. So I

528
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,160
think people get hysterical. And last thing on this I

529
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,160
want to say that drives me bananas. The inconsistency of

530
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,039
partisans drives me bananas. Bernie Sanders is out there saying, yeah,

531
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:54,079
tariffs are terrible. He's been a pro tariff guy for

532
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:59,640
like thirty years. Democrats were pro tariff, you know people,

533
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,000
you know, they claimed it would save American jobs and

534
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,759
so on. They've been that way forever. But Donald Trump

535
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:06,519
all of a sudden wants them, and now they're like

536
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,920
free marketers. I mean, Bernie Sanders wants unfettered international markets going.

537
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,720
I mean, it's insane how everyone hinges all their thoughts, opinions,

538
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,640
everything about the world on whatever Donald Trump says. It

539
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:20,079
just drives me by naval.

540
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,759
Speaker 2: Okay, I also think Republicans do that too. Something like

541
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:27,640
the Wall Street Journal, which is, you know, openly advocating

542
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:33,119
for business interests, has always opposed tariffs no matter who's

543
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,680
the president. But Republicans had no problem when Reagan enacted tariffs,

544
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,960
when you know, they had maybe a little bit of

545
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,880
a problem when Bush did. But they act like it's

546
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,880
the end of the world or you know, not. Republicans generally, Republicans,

547
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,480
I think are pretty supportive of Trump's economic policy, particularly

548
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:51,920
after seeing how well it went for everybody in his

549
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:58,960
first term. But that sort of you know, conservative establishment

550
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:03,720
treated did Trump's tariff threats differently than they did Reagan's

551
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:04,240
or bushes.

552
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: And I've said, because there's a reason for that.

553
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:10,599
Speaker 2: Reagan had very emotional outbursts over Trump.

554
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: What. No, Reagan didn't to do blanket tariffs over you know,

555
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,160
over to Mexico. He had some tarifts in Japan, which incidentally,

556
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,839
I think after a year he rescinded. And also Reagan

557
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,519
was a perfect person. I mean, he made mistakes, but

558
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:29,000
more than that, there was plenty of conservative opposition then

559
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,799
to those tariffs, including still in the Wall Street Journal

560
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:34,799
and elsewhere. I mean, Trump uses tariffs or the threat

561
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:39,519
of tariffs in a far broader way than than others.

562
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:42,000
And don't get me wrong, I get it. Protectionism is

563
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:46,119
or you know whatever. Protectionist policies are very popular with people.

564
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:48,480
I get that, and it was popular in Reagan's time

565
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:49,440
and it's popular now.

566
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: I do you have a question about this, How would

567
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:56,960
you prefer that a Trump get what he wants in

568
00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:02,000
terms of what Mexico or Canada or other countries should

569
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,319
be doing if not through threats of tariffs, that's a.

570
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: Very good question. I think that I'd have to think

571
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:12,880
about it a little more. But I am sure that

572
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,000
there are other levers to pull that you can threaten

573
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,799
Canada with certain kinds of aid. I don't know. I'd

574
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:27,279
have to think about what. But but if Trump said this, Canada,

575
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,480
We're going to put a twenty five percent tariff on

576
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,319
you if you don't stop the you know, drugs coming

577
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:34,839
over the border or whatever, that makes sense to me.

578
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:36,920
But that's not what he said. He said, we don't

579
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,519
want concessions. We want to get rid of the income tax,

580
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:42,559
and this is the way towards doing that. So you know,

581
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:45,720
am I sucker for believing what he's saying. Probably, But

582
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:47,680
I think it's worth for me, at least, I'm just

583
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:55,079
talking about myself to make arguments, philosophical arguments against long term,

584
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,119
forever tariffs of twenty five percent against Canada.

585
00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:01,079
Speaker 2: I mean, I disagree with that all David, but I

586
00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:03,400
do think it's funny that he can be like, We're

587
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,880
going to build a beautiful Las Vegas and the Gaza

588
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,200
Strip and you do not have these like huge philosophical

589
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,000
disagreements with for that.

590
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:15,039
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, I don't sorry. Let me just go

591
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,160
back a second. I think his Gozillan is awesome. I

592
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,720
didn't know that. I I hadn't stressed that to you. Obviously,

593
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,680
I don't again want to put Americans in danger, but

594
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,440
I think that overall, it's a very good idea to

595
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:31,200
let Gosins move to Jordan and Egypt and elsewhere and

596
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:36,279
build a beautiful riviera to the sea there. Let's talk

597
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:42,920
about DOGE and specifically us A I D. Which is

598
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:49,279
this agency within the government that basically its charge was

599
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,079
you know, it was supposed to help you know, foreign

600
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,759
nations and you know, and you in need and people

601
00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:59,599
in need and minorities in need and oppress people in need.

602
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,039
I think it was signed into existence to an executive

603
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:06,759
order by John F. Kennedy. Though we talking about this later.

604
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:10,079
You know there there is legislation, you know, funding it

605
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,360
and all of that. Yeah, it's hard for me to

606
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,039
even express how crazy some of the stuff that's been

607
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:24,000
uncovered as far as spending goes. Is like sending money

608
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,280
to Columbia so they can put on like trans plays

609
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,599
for kids or something, right, that sort of thing. And

610
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,199
I guess I would just start this conversation by saying,

611
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,519
if the people who ran those agencies really cared about

612
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,239
the mission, they would not have used it as a

613
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,239
slush fund for their partisan you know, propping up their

614
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,760
partisan friends and spreading their social science quackery around the world.

615
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for the overview. I think it was designed

616
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,880
as a way to advance American interests abroad, sort of

617
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,639
a slush fund for the CIA and State Department to

618
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:05,760
do soft power pushing of our interests abroup.

619
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: I like that part of it though, right.

620
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I was just gonna say the problem with it,

621
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:13,960
there are problems with that, but you know, leaving that aside,

622
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,000
the main problem with it is that the people in

623
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:21,880
charge of our regime became deeply hostile to American interests

624
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,840
and values, Like I think their interests began harming the

625
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,079
country and pushing left wing ideology. And so when you

626
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:34,599
see these insane amounts of money being spent on funding

627
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:39,840
DEI musicals in Ireland, or transgender operas in Colombia, or

628
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,360
a transgender comic book in Peru, or a you know,

629
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:47,840
a massive jobs program for gay and trans people in Serbia,

630
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:53,320
which were all those are all real things right, or

631
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,079
just even like all the crazy stuff that USAID was

632
00:35:56,199 --> 00:36:00,599
used to fund poorly designed projects in Africanistan. It was

633
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:03,960
just like lighting money on fire, you know, solar farms

634
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:08,800
in Afghanistan, where everyone just immediately stole the materials to

635
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:14,119
power their own houses. You know. But you know, in

636
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:18,239
and of itself, having a way to achieve foreign policy

637
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,559
goals with soft power is not the worst idea in

638
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,639
the world, Which is why I think that what's happening

639
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:27,119
with USAID, which is not it's shuddering so much as

640
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,480
bringing it under control of the Secretary of State so

641
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,159
that it can have proper oversight, is not just reasonable,

642
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,840
it's it's so beyond reasonable that the fact that people

643
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,920
are freaking out about it is a huge tell about

644
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,440
how corrupt this agency is.

645
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Chuck Schumer this passion about anything since

646
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,079
he was gening up a mob to go kill Supreme

647
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,239
Court justices, you know what I mean. And it is

648
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,760
says something about them that they are so angry, angry

649
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,480
about this, this thing, this this slush fund, right more

650
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:04,360
than they have been again about anything. They claim that

651
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:10,719
it's unconstitutional. I don't exactly know if what Elon Musk

652
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,159
says is always we're cutting funding or just transparency sometimes,

653
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:15,639
you know what I mean, if there is if there

654
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,760
is a congressional if there's legislation that funds something, you

655
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,239
need to have a new legislation. But I don't I

656
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,880
don't think he's doing that. I think he's like you say,

657
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,599
he's bringing in under Mark or Rubio who's in charge

658
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:30,119
now and just showing the American people what's happening.

659
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: Right Well, there are a couple of issues there. Yeah, absolutely,

660
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,760
if Congress has authorized the funding that you can't just

661
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,360
be like, well, we're not going to fund something in

662
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,400
this case. Usually what Congress has done is kind of

663
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,000
had really nebulous funding provisions. You know, we're just going

664
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,960
to give all the taxpayer money to this agency or

665
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:50,079
that agency, and how the agencies handle it, they have

666
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:55,360
some you know, discretion on So what I want to

667
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,400
say really quickly about these funding projects, though, I think

668
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,800
what we're learning and people have been slowly getting this vision,

669
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,000
maybe through learning about the Biden family business or other

670
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:11,199
family entities that are involved in government funding or government operations.

671
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:17,559
What frequently happens is you have this massive national government

672
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:24,559
i mean sorry, non governmental sector of the economy that

673
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,159
takes money from the government to achieve the government's goals.

674
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,239
This is not always bad either. I just want to

675
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,199
point out so or a lot of people are actually

676
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:37,639
more supportive of this than I am. To take example

677
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:41,320
of a domestic issue, during the Bush administration, there was

678
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,119
a big push to allow religious groups that were doing

679
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,199
good work that the government wanted done to have them

680
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,719
just be funded directly. So if you're running a soup kitchen,

681
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,519
or you're running a foster care agency, you're helping immigrants

682
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:56,760
and refugees, well, you're going to do a better job

683
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,360
than we will, we'll just give the grant money to you. Obviously,

684
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,679
there are major problems with this for religious organizations in

685
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,880
that you might start becoming reliant on the government, or

686
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,440
the government will start telling you how to do your charity.

687
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,800
Great example of this was when the City of Philadelphia

688
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:16,840
told Catholic charities that they couldn't be Catholic and continue

689
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,199
to run the foster care programs. They had to violate

690
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,840
their beliefs if they wanted to continue to do foster

691
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,679
care because now it was just like completely embroiled with

692
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,559
the government funding. So when you're looking in the international space.

693
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,199
A lot of the money that went out there supposedly

694
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,679
to Vietnam or Columbia or Serbia, it was really going

695
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:44,599
to this international space of elites who make money as

696
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:49,159
the heads or staff of nonprofit agencies, non governmental organizations.

697
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,920
And so when you're like, gosh, I don't think we

698
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,199
should be funding transgender operas in Colombia, what you're really

699
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:02,280
doing is funding like the rad Cliff grad who runs

700
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,079
that operation. And so it's sort of it's someone jokingly

701
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,960
referred to it as universal basic income for the left,

702
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,760
there is truth to this. They just completely control this

703
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,079
space in which the federal government is paying massive amounts

704
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:22,800
of money for the salaries and operations of these non

705
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,519
governmental operations, and just being able to see it, you're realizing, oh,

706
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:28,639
the reason why this is a threat is this is

707
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,239
how the Left accomplishes all its goals through this symbiotic

708
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,840
relationship with the government and the NGOs and all the

709
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,280
left is staffed there. They're using it, you know, we

710
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,360
see it. They're using it to push radical transit theology,

711
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,760
other you know things are sort of antithetical to basic

712
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,840
functioning society. And so just shedding a light on this

713
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:53,280
and possibly stopping the funding of this is a huge

714
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:59,440
threat to the left's ability to wage its political war

715
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:00,719
against its enemies.

716
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Speaker 1: I mean. And also pro terror groups are being funded

717
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,559
all kinds of terrible you know, nefarious organizations and un

718
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:15,519
American you know, organizations spread anti American ideas. But all

719
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:18,360
you know, I love the So another part of this

720
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:21,880
is well, and I saw you know, leftist saying this,

721
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,880
this isn't a lot of money, like why are they

722
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,920
you know, it's only three hundred and fifty million dollars

723
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,920
that program that you're talking about. Well, you know what,

724
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,800
there isn't a lot of discretionary spending to cut. There

725
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,119
are only certain places to go. And even if you

726
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,639
cut five million dollars somewhere, I'm for it. If it's

727
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,320
undermining American values, if it's being you know, if it's

728
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,039
under if there's no transparency in what you're doing, I

729
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:48,480
don't care if it's one million dollars, right, I mean,

730
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:52,760
it's worth doing. And I hate that argument. There's another

731
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,559
aspect to this that that that I think is really bad,

732
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:00,960
and it's the funding of media news organisations. We are

733
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:06,199
giving money to the BBC. Okay, a rich country that

734
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,880
you know, that that has. You know, the BBC, which

735
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,400
has a political outlook that often is against against American values,

736
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,519
are at a newspaper within Israel, which, which I would

737
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:21,400
explain to people, is kind of like the New York Times.

738
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,599
They hate Israel. You know, it's a it's a paper

739
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,719
in Israel that hates Israel, just far left. Why are

740
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,599
we funding the Israel's a rich country in that sense,

741
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:31,679
I mean, I understand we fund them for military needs,

742
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:37,079
but now we're we're funding a propaganda outlet within the country.

743
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:40,440
I mean, it's nuts. And then finally there's Politico. So

744
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:44,880
this morning I saw someone tweet that political had taken

745
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,760
eight million dollars. Then how they do it is the

746
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:53,440
government buys their subscription services. Okay, I'm not sure if

747
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,800
it's unclear to me how much of that is us

748
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,880
AI D. But I do know that they took around

749
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,199
eight million dollars from the federal government in the past

750
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,199
few years through subscriptions. That's a lot of money. And

751
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,800
never so of course they are going to protect the

752
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,519
people who basically bankroll their operation or help bankroll their operation,

753
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,880
and they never disclose this at all. So I wonder

754
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:22,360
how what other what other how much does a New

755
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,920
York Times, how many government how much does do taxpayers

756
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,679
subsidize government workers getting a New York Time time subscription

757
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,079
or Washington Post subscription.

758
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: So I was thinking about this about how you know,

759
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:39,199
just if you remember when government agencies used to meet

760
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:41,480
in person, which is something they're going to be doing again,

761
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,880
they would subscribe to local papers to stay informed on issues, right,

762
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,679
So they would subscribe to the New York Times or

763
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:51,000
the Washington Post or other things, and they would in

764
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,159
fact probably purchase quite a few subscriptions so people could

765
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:58,079
just share them around the office. And as things evolved,

766
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:01,880
you know, this changes to digital subscribcriptions. And I'm sure

767
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,519
in the minds of these people. What I found shocking,

768
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:08,079
by the way, was the price of these subscriptions. When

769
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,719
I think of subscription, I'm still remembering when like the

770
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,199
local paper was thirty five dollars a year or fifty

771
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,639
dollars a year, right, or you know, which would add

772
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,719
up if you're buying a few hundred of those the

773
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:25,599
political pro subscription, Am I right that it's like fifteen

774
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,639
thousand dollars a year for a single subscription. Because I

775
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:34,719
saw this one grant, it was like five hundred thousand dollars,

776
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,880
I think for thirty seven subscriptions, which I guess would

777
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,760
be more like thirteen thousand dollars.

778
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, but I think someone told me,

779
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,159
and you know, I don't know this is true that

780
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,119
two specialized subscriptions by the USAD costs like forty five

781
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,800
thousand dollars to Politico, and I just want to point.

782
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:56,199
Speaker 2: Out that's enough to hire in some cases a full reporter.

783
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,360
Two subscriptions gives you a full reporter, yes, who can

784
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:06,960
make it their job to protect everything. That enables politicode

785
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,199
to hire one reporter with two subscriptions, like, it's a

786
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:16,039
whole corrupt model that we're not getting paid twenty thousand

787
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:19,800
dollars for a subscription to the knowledge that we have.

788
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,079
We're sort of getting the opposite. We're getting censored by

789
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:28,639
USAID funded agencies or funded groups by the US government

790
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:31,920
because we are a threat to the regime. But if

791
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,800
you're not a threat to the regime, and Politico is

792
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,679
not a threat to the regime, they are. They are

793
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,639
huge asset of the regime. You see, taxpayer dollars go

794
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,519
to help keep the regime in power. And if they're buying, Like,

795
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,920
oh my gosh, if one agency is buying thirty seven

796
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:56,320
of these crazy subscriptions to have twenty reporters who help

797
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,199
support the regime, do you know what I could do

798
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,320
with twenty reporters to report actual news? Like it's just

799
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,760
enraging to think about this. So people are like, Oh,

800
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,400
don't worry about it. That's just paying for a subscription,

801
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,159
a twenty thousand dollars a year subscription that enables you

802
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,199
to hire half of a reporter. And that's just the

803
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,599
federal agencies. There are state agencies, there are NGOs, all

804
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:27,280
these people paying for a ridiculously priced subscription that enables

805
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,320
them all to keep their power. It's a great example

806
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,199
of the corruption of the media and the government.

807
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's kind of a moral hazard inherent

808
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:38,320
and all of that because you can charge whatever you

809
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,039
want and government will pay. So if it's fifty thousand dollars,

810
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:43,559
no normal person's paying that. Maybe a corporation is paying

811
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:47,280
it if there's value, But I assume that, like a

812
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,519
lot of these subscriptions can be shared, So why do

813
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:51,199
you need to buy a whole bunch for the government.

814
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,199
I don't really know what to do about that, except

815
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,840
I think a good way to go about it is transparency. Say,

816
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,400
government pays US eight million dollars, so now I'm going

817
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,519
to take you know, I think that it's going to

818
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:05,639
affect your coverage. I'm sorry, And that's how I'm right.

819
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: Right, Like we're running this hit piece on the Supreme Court,

820
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,239
we should let you know that we're worried that the

821
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,119
Supreme Court is a threat to our business model, you

822
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:16,440
know what I mean. Like, it's just we're running this

823
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:18,800
hit piece on Trump because he's a threat to our

824
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,679
business model. Everyone has interests and they should be disclosed.

825
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,000
But knowing that Politico is such a highly government funded

826
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:29,400
operation is one of them. And it's not like they're

827
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,039
saying we're giving you money to report the news. They're saying,

828
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,599
we're giving you money for a subscription to the secret

829
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:37,480
knowledge you have, Oh, the secret knowledge you have. By

830
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:42,320
the way, corporations also paying this sort of bounty so

831
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:47,000
that they can continue to have good coverage as they

832
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:51,400
compete for government contracts as well, is super interesting.

833
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,599
Speaker 1: But if you're a reporter, you you know you're reporting

834
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:57,519
on USAID and you know you're that maybe your salaries

835
00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:58,920
are being paid by them. Are you really going to

836
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,280
go after them? I don't know you are. And I'm

837
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,159
not one of these people who says everyone should disclose

838
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:05,480
their funding. I'm sorry. I just judge people on what

839
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,079
they write and do accept if it's coming from a

840
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:09,400
government source, then I want I.

841
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: Do think government funding is different.

842
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,639
Speaker 1: Not because of political but because the government needs to

843
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:15,960
tell us. Do you know what I'm saying, Like I

844
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:17,840
want to know my tax dollars are going to fund

845
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:23,119
the BBC. I should know about that. So just to listen.

846
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:25,639
Even if you think that the USAID does some good things,

847
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:31,039
and I actually do, the lack of transparency is a scandal.

848
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,280
It is just a massive scandal. And you know what's

849
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,679
funny about this, It's not funny. Who knows what other

850
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,480
like big giant agencies are doing, like it must be crazy.

851
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: On that note, I just want to say the brilliance

852
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:48,159
of Musk sort of immediately going for the funding and

853
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:53,320
the hr for transparency purposes is just a great idea.

854
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: I mean, people get so many at the end of

855
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,679
the day, like he has access to this or that.

856
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,559
First of all, they pretend they want you to think,

857
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:04,039
they want voters think Elon Musk is this rogue figure

858
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:06,360
within the government. I'm sorry to explain this to people.

859
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,440
The president actually doesn't do everything himself. He hires people

860
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,239
to do things. A lot of most bureaucrats aren't elected.

861
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,280
All of a sudden, they care about unelected bureaucrats. That

862
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,920
kind of makes me laugh. Now, if you want to

863
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,079
say that those should be an agency and the Congress

864
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:20,480
should make it one because it has such a big task,

865
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,320
all right, maybe you have a case. So that's not

866
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:29,199
their case. They've spent decades empowering bureaucrats, unelected bureaucrats, empowering

867
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,639
executive abuses. So you know, I don't really take them

868
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,639
very seriously. I don't know where I was going with this,

869
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:36,639
but I want.

870
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:38,599
Speaker 2: To have one more comment on the sort of corruption

871
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:43,920
of USAID and other agencies that fund the left's political

872
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,480
operation domestically, you know, because it's USA, idea is international,

873
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:51,960
but every single one of our departments is funding NGOs

874
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,280
where the left works. I also think that what you

875
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,960
what is true is, particularly in the DC area, just

876
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,039
a lot of people work get USAID, and a lot

877
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:05,880
of these people are married to reporters, and you're just

878
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,519
kind of getting a real vision of how the swamp operates.

879
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know that. People. I lived

880
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,920
in DC proper for a short time, but when I

881
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,920
was younger, and everyone I met was connected somehow, often

882
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,800
married to journalists or people. You know, there's a revolving

883
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,639
door lobbyist journalists, you know, working for this agency, that agency,

884
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:33,199
a lot of reporters. That's happened in Colorado as well.

885
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,400
You knew that if you left the newsroom you would

886
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,039
probably be like some comm specialists or some government agency,

887
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:42,400
or for some politicians. So of course you're not going

888
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,719
to go after these people. They're idiots like me. You

889
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,559
don't think about these things, and they say a lot

890
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:48,719
of ugly things about politicians.

891
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: But there are liberation in this. We're in a world

892
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:00,639
that is so motivated by financial success, and I genuinely

893
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,960
am grateful, and I'm you know, I have all the

894
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,840
same things other people have of wanting money, and you

895
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,079
know all that, but I am so grateful in this

896
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:14,360
really weird way that Mark and I are not on

897
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,039
that gravy train because it creates it, it perpetuates its

898
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:22,480
own corruption. And if you can be we are beautifully

899
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,960
blessed and we certainly make more than enough money, particularly now,

900
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,559
but there were decades or at least a solid decade,

901
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:31,159
you know, early in our marriage, where that was not

902
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,280
the case, and it was very much paycheck to paycheck.

903
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,280
But the freedom that you have to go after anybody

904
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,679
because you're not financially tied, or that you you know,

905
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,760
you're keeping your financial ties low, Like I have different employers,

906
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,400
so I have. I'm very grateful for all them, but

907
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:51,000
they're restrictions on that. But the fewer that you can have,

908
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:54,639
the less involvement in a corrupt regime, the more freedom

909
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:56,599
you have. And that is such a beautiful thing. And

910
00:51:56,599 --> 00:52:00,079
I wish people valued non tangible things like that as

911
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:02,960
much as they value financial success, particularly since we're all

912
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,440
going to die and you can't take it with you.

913
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:08,760
It's just my little encouragement to people.

914
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I think people don't understand that, Yes,

915
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,639
some journalists make good money or writers make good money,

916
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:17,760
but there is a risk when you start out in

917
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,840
this career that you may not you know that you

918
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,360
will fail. It is not it's a very competitive field, right,

919
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,519
and I could never understand that people who kind of

920
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:30,440
have made it become shills for corporations or politicians. You

921
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:33,400
have the freedom to go after powerful people, you know,

922
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,760
and they care that you're going after them, and you

923
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,199
can hurt them if they're doing something wrong, or you

924
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:40,519
can expose them. And then instead you got it just

925
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:42,840
a bunch of people being shills for politicians. I just

926
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,039
will never understand that this is the greatest job that

927
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,280
there is and people don't appreciate it.

928
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,679
Speaker 2: When my husband, I think I've said this part when

929
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,079
my husband worked at the Weekly Standard and everyone was

930
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:56,760
freaking out about Trump. One of his colleagues, who's crazy now,

931
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,760
But he was saying to Mark like, don't you get it.

932
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Trump's going to destroy like the whole thing. And the

933
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:09,559
whole thing was this this means of making a lot

934
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:12,679
of money in Washington, d c. And it was, you know,

935
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,239
credit to him. He was actually right. He turned out

936
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,000
to be able to make money. I think he's probably

937
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:23,519
even you know, potentially USAID funded right now through different

938
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:28,320
through a different operation. But it is a threat and

939
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:33,480
it's just shocking, and I hope, I hope some good

940
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:35,000
comes from this transparency.

941
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: Telecommuting has been a blessing in many ways that people

942
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:40,880
and writers don't have to live within d C. I

943
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,800
kind of I like DC as a town. I actually

944
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,039
think it's a slightly underrated city, has a lot to do,

945
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:48,039
But there is a culture there, especially if you're a writer,

946
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,400
that is stifling in my view, and very corporate, and

947
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:54,360
everyone is always you know what I mean. So I'm

948
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:56,400
you know, I think it's that that having all these

949
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,639
writers like you guys at the Federalists have all over

950
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,599
the country is really a blessing. This is why I

951
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:03,880
think government work should also be spread out, you know,

952
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,960
move an agency, to move the Energy Department to Denver

953
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,480
or whatever. I don't understand why everyone has to be

954
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:10,719
situated in DC.

955
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,639
Speaker 2: Particularly now, although I do worry about how that would

956
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:14,960
destroy other towns.

957
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking, do I want to export that cow

958
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,880
or import that kind of terrible organization.

959
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 2: Can you remember that story that Bob Novac told in

960
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,800
his book Prince of Darkness about how he was a

961
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,559
young reporter in Saint Louis and he was at the

962
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:34,519
bar after a hard day's work and he's just talking

963
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:36,679
to another guy who's at the bar, and they're having

964
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:41,320
a great conversation and then at the end they're getting

965
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,920
each other's like names and info and it turns out

966
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,760
that the guy that he had such a great conversation

967
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,119
with at the bar was also the guy that he'd

968
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:52,360
just kind of written a piece about who had done

969
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,000
some bad things or you know, he was writing a

970
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,679
piece negative about him. And he said that the lesson

971
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,840
he took from it was that if you're a reporter,

972
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,239
you can't have friends. And the first time I read it,

973
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,360
I just was appalled by this. I was like, that

974
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:10,280
is not a good lesson. But the more that I've

975
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,599
had to cover corruption in DC and problems at the

976
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:18,599
FBI and throughout the intelligence community or in the media

977
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,360
or otherwise, I will absolutely admit that it's awesome that

978
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,239
my friends are at church and not at the FBI.

979
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,679
I mean not that there aren't people I go to

980
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,159
church with who work at the FBI, but it it

981
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,119
is important to tell the truth, and it can be

982
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,519
difficult when your husband works for usaid.

983
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, you know stuff like that, Yeah exactly. I

984
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,760
remember I probably have told the story, but I remember

985
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,280
working at the Denver Post as a metro columnist, you know,

986
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,800
and everyone would, all the politicians invalue add to launch it.

987
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,159
I want to be they all are trying to manipulate you.

988
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,320
So I decided I wasn't gonna be friends with anyone,

989
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,519
which comes very easily easily to you, as you know,

990
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:01,239
But I think that that's the kind of attitude you

991
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,440
have to have. These people are manipulating you. They're trying

992
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,119
to either intimidate you or become your friend or whatever.

993
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,360
And I'm sure many of them are fine people, but

994
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:09,920
you know, there are plenty of millions of people out there.

995
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,159
I don't need to be friends with a politician and anyway,

996
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,000
so it goes. Can leave that on leaving on a skeptical,

997
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:21,719
cynical note, let's talk about culture. If you're ready. I

998
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,880
have a couple of things, do you. I know you've

999
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:25,719
been super busy.

1000
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 2: So last week when Mark guested as a host, we

1001
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,480
got all this email from people saying how much they

1002
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:36,519
appreciated that he talked about, you know, culture in a

1003
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:40,519
substantive way, whereas you and I, who is like, what's

1004
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:41,400
that movie with that.

1005
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: One through the thing with the guy?

1006
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I will be disappointing everyone again, but I

1007
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:51,360
am coming out of a really bad illness that just

1008
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:55,159
knocked me out for two weeks. I slept a lot,

1009
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,480
My brain was mush. But I'm working on a book

1010
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:01,000
and so I just any minute I had. I was

1011
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:03,760
trying to put a word down on the page. And

1012
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,480
it was very bad. It was a really I mean,

1013
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:09,360
I'm I'm out of it now and I'm so grateful

1014
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,159
to God that that I've been relieved of this. So

1015
00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:16,079
I didn't really watch anything, and I'm sorry, but I

1016
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:22,719
did watch one thing, which was Sense and Sensibility with

1017
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,599
Emma Thompson. Yeah, Hugh Grant, is that right? No?

1018
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hugh Grant, isn't it? Yeah? And uh from the nineties,

1019
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:33,519
I believe, right.

1020
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was so good.

1021
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: Have you seen it? You know? Maybe maybe my uh

1022
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:48,519
my kids were fans of those so what's her name,

1023
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:50,639
Jane Austen's books and movies?

1024
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:54,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, Kate Winsley was also in it. But I

1025
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,639
would like to just give a word for Alan Rickman,

1026
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,960
who died. I can't remember when Alan Rickman, I guess, yeah,

1027
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:04,599
of that guy. I mean, he has such range and

1028
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:11,159
he plays the Colonel Brandon character in this ninety spoiler alert,

1029
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:14,159
I'm gonna tell you all about this nineteen ninety five movie.

1030
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:18,519
And you know, one of the points of the novel,

1031
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:24,440
of course, is about passion versus like thoughtfulness when picking

1032
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:29,039
a partner, and the love story between him and Kate

1033
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:32,400
Winslet is just beautiful and beautifully portrayed. I thought it

1034
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,079
was very accurate to the novel and in fact almost

1035
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:38,480
like made it better than the novel in some ways,

1036
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:42,239
in the same way that the Pride and Prejudice mini series,

1037
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,800
you know, the sixth Hour, how long it is, does

1038
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,559
a really good job of distilling that novel and bringing

1039
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:51,880
live to it. So I would highly recommend that. I

1040
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,519
really thought it was well done and I'm glad I

1041
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:57,719
watched it finally great.

1042
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: I know, I think there was a more modern adaptation.

1043
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,519
I forget, maybe like a masterpiece theater thing with some

1044
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:06,599
bigger names at one point, but yeah, that one gets

1045
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:07,239
good reviews.

1046
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:09,559
Speaker 2: And also I just want to say on Jane Austen,

1047
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,119
I did not like her when I was young. I

1048
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:14,400
in fact hated her when I was young. When they

1049
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,400
would give you the books to read in high school,

1050
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:21,199
I just hated it. And when I started reading them

1051
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:24,800
to my children out loud, I realized that I had

1052
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,920
simply been too immture to appreciate it in high school.

1053
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,920
And as you know, just like learning more about love

1054
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:35,800
and having a wonderful husband, but like all the ways

1055
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,440
that you realize that your spouse is wonderful that you

1056
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,840
can't even imagine when you first marry, and all the

1057
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:45,360
you know, just just some of the issues that come

1058
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:52,320
into play. She is so great at at female psychology,

1059
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:56,039
and the older I got, the more I appreciated that,

1060
00:59:56,119 --> 00:59:59,360
and I get that men don't necessarily appreciate her in

1061
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,199
the way that a lot of Like I remember when

1062
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:05,639
Mark would always be having this watching like movies with

1063
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,360
all male casts about survival at sea, and you're just

1064
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,280
like this, I don't get you know, but you still

1065
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,400
you want to learn to appreciate the male psychology or

1066
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,360
you should so, uh.

1067
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: I get to watch Diehard with Alan Rickman after Sense

1068
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,760
and Sensibility, and then you know, you did both.

1069
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,599
Speaker 2: I tell you that I that I finally watched that

1070
01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:28,599
No Christmas. I think we did talk about it because yeah, okay,

1071
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:34,280
I loved that movie as well, and I had you know,

1072
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,880
it's one of those movies where you think you know

1073
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,199
about it because everyone's talking about it. I knew the

1074
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,599
entire plot, and yet I hadn't seen it. I don't

1075
01:00:41,639 --> 01:00:44,880
think or it had been so long that I had Forgome,

1076
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:50,280
and that is a great movie. I've been so annoyed

1077
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,320
by the by that awful Twitter conversation of is it

1078
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,320
a Christmas movie and all that stupid stuff that I

1079
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:01,039
had reflexively opposed it. But it's a very well done movie.

1080
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:03,679
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And Alan Rickman is just amazing. It was

1081
01:01:03,719 --> 01:01:07,760
his first movie. Just so good in it. Yeah, every

1082
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,639
time I rewatch it, I'm like, I can't believe how

1083
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:12,400
good this is, you know, I can't believe it's holding

1084
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,960
my attention. It's just you know, Bruce Willas, Everyone's just

1085
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,199
so amazing it. So I have two things I watched.

1086
01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:25,199
I watched a movie called A Real Pain on Hulu,

1087
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:31,480
directed by Jesse Eisenberg, starring him and Kuran Oscars.

1088
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: Or something maybe, yeah, I think so.

1089
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,559
Speaker 1: It's about these cousins who go to visit a concentration

1090
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,679
camp in Poland too because their grandmother had died and

1091
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:43,280
she had come from there, and they like track down

1092
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:48,199
her house. It's kind of one of these uh, bittersweet

1093
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:52,599
indie movies, you know, and it doesn't have like, yeah,

1094
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:54,920
exactly doesn't wrap up, and it has a kind of

1095
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,679
woody Allen feel. To it as well. To some extent,

1096
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:04,360
I didn't love it, but I liked it, you know,

1097
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,880
so I would recommend it. I listened to an interview

1098
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,440
somewhere else with Jesse Eisenberg, and he's exactly the same.

1099
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:13,079
He's exactly the same person in real life as he

1100
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:17,159
is in this movie. He's I don't know, he has

1101
01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:23,039
a Woody Allen esque personality. Sits and then I watch

1102
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:24,679
something which I have to explain to It's called This

1103
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,000
is Us. Have you heard about this show?

1104
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: The TV show?

1105
01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was massively popular a few years ago, had

1106
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:34,920
Mandy Moore in it. I don't know the name of

1107
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,599
the other actors. See I was. I thought hard about

1108
01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:41,000
how to describe this, so this is here. It goes

1109
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:46,480
the analogy. So I think about like a math addict.

1110
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:50,599
Right when you first do math, it's probably a lot

1111
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:53,400
of fun. Right, You're pulled in, you're having a good time.

1112
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,880
By the end of the math addiction, your teeth are

1113
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,719
falling out, your life is ruined, but you still can't leave.

1114
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,960
That's exactly what this show was to me. I started

1115
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,000
watching it. It was interesting. So it has the life

1116
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,039
of this family and it does flashbacks and forward of

1117
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:15,960
the parents, you know, and it intertwines all their whole

1118
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,280
life from when they're born. It's about these triplets. One

1119
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:24,920
of the triplets, spoiler, passes away, so they adopt a

1120
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,519
black child who was left there by his drug addicted parents.

1121
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:31,519
They adopt them, and this is about their family, so

1122
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:34,920
it goes into all their lives now then in the future.

1123
01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:37,480
It's really well done. But I forgot who it was.

1124
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:40,480
Someone called it poignancy porn. So basically, you're supposed to

1125
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,800
cry every five minutes watching this show. There's always something

1126
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,440
horrible happening, always something horrible about to happen, always something

1127
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:49,719
very emotional going on, you know, and you're just hooked.

1128
01:03:50,199 --> 01:03:52,599
And I hated it and loved it at the same time.

1129
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:55,159
I watched the whole thing. I did not you know,

1130
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,480
you would cry. You would cry many times. I think

1131
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:01,480
watching this show, you're really a crier as far as

1132
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,320
I know, But I think this show would do it

1133
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,599
for sure. Anyway. That's how I describe it. I would

1134
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,199
recommend it to women. I'm not sure about men.

1135
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: Wait, it's like math in that it destroys you and

1136
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:17,960
you recommend it.

1137
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:24,639
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it doesn't have the physical toll of math,

1138
01:04:24,679 --> 01:04:28,320
But mentally, yes, it's similar to Math. I just I'm

1139
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,880
trying to explain to you how you'll start watching it

1140
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,480
and it'll be somewhat interesting, and then you'll be like,

1141
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:37,360
this is too much. There's every episode, something horrible is

1142
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,360
happening to these people. Every episode is an emotional whirlwind.

1143
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:44,079
It's drenched, drenched in it. But then you can't get

1144
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:46,079
out because it's really just a soap opera, and then

1145
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:48,159
you're stuck to the end and you have to watch

1146
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:50,360
the whole thing, even though your teeth are falling out

1147
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,800
in your life is ruined. Seven episodes, seven seasons, I believe.

1148
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,000
I have to say that the acting is fantastic. Not

1149
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:05,400
mandymore but spoiler you know she you know, it's the

1150
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:08,800
person's whole life, so she doesn't survived. It reminded me

1151
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,280
of the and I've said this probably before on the

1152
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,280
show of Joe Queenen's famous review of the movie Survive

1153
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,880
or after I was called was where the plane crashes

1154
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,559
in Peru and the people have to eat each other,

1155
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:22,280
and he stood up and yelled, eat ethan hawk first,

1156
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,320
because this performance was so bad. That's how I felt

1157
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:31,039
about Mandy Moore all right. It was a weird episode.

1158
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:32,400
We were all over the place, but you know, there's

1159
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,239
a lot to cover, so I think it's going to

1160
01:05:35,239 --> 01:05:38,079
be a whirlwind every week. Janie Vance the other day

1161
01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:39,960
said that we're going to this is going to be

1162
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:42,880
for four years. We're going to do this for four years.

1163
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: I want to say something about it really quickly. The

1164
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,519
last two weeks have been so amazing and beautiful to me,

1165
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,119
and I wonder if this is what it feels like

1166
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:59,039
to be a leftist where you just actually win political

1167
01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:02,920
battles or you I mean, I was talking with a

1168
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,000
family member and I was like, what were the Republicans

1169
01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:08,800
doing for the entirety of my life, like just in

1170
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,039
two weeks reshaping some thoughts or saying what if we

1171
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:15,280
didn't have to go along with like the genital mutilation

1172
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,800
of children. You know, it's been beautiful and wonderful. And

1173
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,400
I'm not saying by that that every single thing is

1174
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,920
the best or that there's not a lot to do.

1175
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:27,360
I want, by the way we talked about it with Dose,

1176
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,599
you know, there's a limit to what the president can accomplish.

1177
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:34,239
But I really hope Congress is learning some lessons about

1178
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,119
what they need to do to reassert their article on

1179
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:41,760
authority and to really be accountable to the American people,

1180
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,800
and to focus on good governance. I know it's probably

1181
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,679
not going to happen, but we're learning brand new things

1182
01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:51,679
about what's possible that you can do things. And it

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has been absolutely beautiful to watch. And I also think

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it's funny because I've been kind of critical of was

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going after Project twenty twenty five, not the part where

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he was saying he had his own plans, but just

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that he was kind of trashing what I thought were

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some you know, it certainly included good conservative ideas for

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what to do when you take over the presidency, but

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I did not realize that the trashing of it was

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because he had so much more aggressive plans. I did

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not think that he was going to be that way.

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But it's a beautiful thing to see, and we have

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a country to save. I feel patriotic in a way

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that I have not since the eighties. Just America is great,

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and we need to stop teaching our children to hate ourselves,

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and we need to use our power for good, and

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we need to care about the American people and things,

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you know, I don't know. I just feel like an

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early nineteen eighties kind of optimism that I haven't experienced

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for a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely like a lot of what's going on.

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I don't like everything that's going on, and I do

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I'm happy you meant, you know, governing through executive fiat

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it's great. But if Democrats win the next election, they

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can turn it all around just as easily. So this

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is why we need legislation and Congress to take back

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their powers that they've not just abdicated but aggressively handed

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over to presidents because it's just easier for them. They're

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not responsible for it. They don't have to do anything

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that could just you know, chirp from the sidelines. It's really,

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I think bad for America because it's very It creates

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a lot of instability. Anyway, I think we talked about

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that last week. We didn't even talked about RFK, who

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I am very angry about.

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Speaker 2: I quit to say on that too. Sorry, this is

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very much out of order, and I apologize because we

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need to reet this.

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Speaker 1: We can do whatever we want.

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Speaker 2: The level of emotion that some of my friends like

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you are exhibiting over RFK and other things, it's just

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not sustainable. And I would encourage you to just make

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sure you're.

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Speaker 1: I think you know that's not true. I think I

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can sustain my level of disdain and anger over him

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for a very long time. I I it's too late

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to get into this discussion, but I actually think he's

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an evil person. And I don't say that a lot

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about other people. I don't say that about politicians. I

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think the things that he's done, I've done more and

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more research on the things he said and done. I

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can't believe that any responsible conservative would vote for him.

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I just it is mind boggling to me and offensive.

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So I'm going to keep staying on. The people are

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very angry at me for this, but I'm not going

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to let it go.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Maha movement was a big part of Trump's success,

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and I would just ask you again, like, who would

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you recommend run you know, the Maha movement for Trump

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since you hate RFK.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, get his name right now, the doctor

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who has signed the Barrington Declaration or something. I mean,

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I would just pick anyone over him. He is a

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terrible person. I mean the Maha part. Of course, everyone

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should be healthy. Again. I'm happy that people want to

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be healthy, but that's not what he's about. And we're

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normalizing an authoritarian, leftist, crazy pro abortion, irresponsible person who's

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made millions of trial lawyers pushing you know, just a

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very deviant, you know, agenda, and I think that's a problem. Anyway,

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I don't want, you know, I don't think we should

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debate this right now. We can debate it in the future.

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Speaker 2: Really wish we had done it earlier because we got

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to go. But people need to also email us at

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radio at the Federalist dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for remembering that. Every week it's

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supposed to be my job. You do it, and so

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I appreciate it. Anyway, maybe next week Molly and I

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will debate RFK. Un till then, be lovers of freedom

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and anxious for the first that's great.

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Speaker 3: It starts with the great birch Sake scenario.

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Speaker 1: Way Lenny Bruce is not