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<v Speaker 1>Number one Nickelodeon, and you won't know my name is

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<v Speaker 1>the law.

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<v Speaker 2>But I lay my fender upon.

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<v Speaker 3>As a.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to Getberger home out the Getburger.

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<v Speaker 5>Can't I take yards? You can take a manager.

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<v Speaker 2>Sit right there, I'll tell you how it became the

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<v Speaker 2>prince of a town.

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<v Speaker 4>Called bel Air.

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<v Speaker 6>Cobain's body was found in a house in Seattle on

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<v Speaker 6>Friday morning. He was dead of an apparently self inflicted

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<v Speaker 6>shotgun blast to the head.

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<v Speaker 3>We have reports from Paris the Dinah, Princess of Wales

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<v Speaker 3>has been killed in a car accidents.

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<v Speaker 7>You're a body, your body ride.

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<v Speaker 8>Hello, and welcome back to the Nineties night. This is

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<v Speaker 8>the third and final installment, and I have saved the

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<v Speaker 8>best for last. Joining me today is a very special guest, Golby.

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<v Speaker 8>How are you good?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm so great? Are you nostalgic about the nineties?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's the four of me growing up? For sure?

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<v Speaker 2>I know you were born in ninety four and you

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<v Speaker 2>call yourself a nineties kid, And that was a.

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<v Speaker 8>Deep, deep bet. You call yourself a nineties kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm just telling you I was born in eighty three,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't consider myself an eighties kid. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>as far as like being in elementary school goes and

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<v Speaker 2>learning the things that I'm into and having hobbies, and

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<v Speaker 2>all my memories are from the nineties. I might have

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<v Speaker 2>a few scattered memories from the eighties, but I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I grew up in the nineties. So we just

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<v Speaker 2>look at it differently.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, agree to disagree. I have to say some of

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<v Speaker 8>my most fond memories are probably from the early two thousands.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not gonna lie, but I definitely remember being a

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<v Speaker 8>kid in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so maybe I'll just rephrase it. My formationeers were

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties, fair enough. Oh yeah, all my memories just

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<v Speaker 2>many of the things that shaped me into the person

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<v Speaker 2>I am, and they're all nineties events.

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<v Speaker 8>So yeah, well, you have gotten to see me putting

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<v Speaker 8>together these episodes. So you have heard some of the

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<v Speaker 8>some of our friends talking about their experiences from the nineties,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think it's really cool because everybody kind of

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<v Speaker 8>says something a little bit different, and they bring up

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<v Speaker 8>something that I've either forgotten about or something that's like

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<v Speaker 8>really just individual to them. And since you're here, give

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<v Speaker 8>us your give us your nineties' best memory. Snippet for

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<v Speaker 8>the listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I kind of feel like mine's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be exactly organic, because I did have several things on

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<v Speaker 2>my mental list when you told me about this, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you showed me a lot of others from your family, brands,

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<v Speaker 2>other podcasters and Managerred a lot of memories for me.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I'm to try to be honest about it,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say the nineties makes me think of like

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<v Speaker 2>cartoons in the morning when you wake up. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I would have been seven in nineteen ninety, so at

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the nineties, you know, I'm starting to

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<v Speaker 2>become a little kid and find out all sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff about the world through the propaganda on TV. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the food that we were sold during those Saturday morning commercials,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a lot of the stuff that's come out

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<v Speaker 2>recently about the people making those commercials. I mean just

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<v Speaker 2>not even debatable at this point. But you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>was something pure about it back then. You didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>that you were being mk uldred at every turn when

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<v Speaker 2>it came to TV. But there was also like a

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<v Speaker 2>different world back then. You could play outside, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>come in at dark for dinner, no cell phones, all

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff is how I remember growing up.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the technology kind of came as the two

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<v Speaker 2>of high school by then.

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<v Speaker 8>But do you remember babysitting me?

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<v Speaker 6>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the stuff like the Chicago Bulls really big.

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<v Speaker 2>Your brother mentioned that, and that was a huge part

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<v Speaker 2>of the nineties for me, was watching that thing go down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh J Simpson. A couple of things we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about today. I think with you know, me

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<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma City bombing, even though back then I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>took it at face value what happened there. And I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the Heavens Gates cult, Oh God, one of my

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<v Speaker 2>darkest memories as a kid. I got obsessed with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was about in seventh grade.

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<v Speaker 8>We are going to talk about that today.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool. I didn't know about that, and yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a report on that in like seventh grade, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just always liked that kind of shit and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't sleep for a week after looking into that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I was probably a little too young to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>soak it in without getting scared.

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<v Speaker 8>But uh, did you watch Tales from the Crypt I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought it was kind of cheesy.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh really, I loved it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean what like you and I both like horror,

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<v Speaker 2>there's an overlapping that we like. But I can't do

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<v Speaker 2>the cheesy stuff and like geek out on it.

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<v Speaker 8>It's got to be that you didn't even like that

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<v Speaker 8>one wo do me Moore Orsh marries that big fat guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I remember that. That was a dude.

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<v Speaker 8>That was a good episode.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the TV show.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's a TV show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know that because they did the TV show

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<v Speaker 2>and then they did a movie later.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think they did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had the the fuck head from Titanic, he

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<v Speaker 2>was in it. But yeah, the show, I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>liked more stuff like goosebumps and shit. Oh yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>that was like early nineties and they had you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the very first book that came out in

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<v Speaker 2>that series, and that Shits. They're still reviving that today.

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<v Speaker 8>So I did save some of the best topics for

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<v Speaker 8>last just to talk about some of the heavier subjects

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<v Speaker 8>are easier, definitely when two people are covering them instead

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<v Speaker 8>of one, and we do have different opinions. About some

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<v Speaker 8>stuff and different. I don't know, like I tend to

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<v Speaker 8>look at things more like spirituality wise sometimes, and I

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<v Speaker 8>think you look at more like the facts and figures

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<v Speaker 8>and shit. But something that I want to do before

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<v Speaker 8>we get started today is mention a few things that

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<v Speaker 8>I've covered from my previous episodes and just see what

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<v Speaker 8>you think. So you mentioned the OJ thing and the

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<v Speaker 8>not so high speed chase. You remember because it was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 8>it's a high speed chase if you really watch it,

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<v Speaker 8>he's not going that fast, not at all supposed to

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<v Speaker 8>have like a gun to his head or something like

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<v Speaker 8>so in that in my first episode, I said that

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<v Speaker 8>if you don't want to believe that OJ did it,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe just maybe if Nicole really was trans and there's

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<v Speaker 8>kind of like this Menindez brother type of crime of

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<v Speaker 8>passion thing going on. There's a lot of theories that

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<v Speaker 8>maybe OJ's first son from his first marriage could have

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<v Speaker 8>done it. Where are you at on that? Because I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>for me, when I look at somebody who gets killed

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<v Speaker 8>so brutally the way that she did, it's it just

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<v Speaker 8>reeks of like this wasn't random, This is an act

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<v Speaker 8>of passion. There is like a weird trans thing going on.

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<v Speaker 8>Maybe she's sexual, and just tell me what you think.

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<v Speaker 8>But maybe there's a weird sexual thing going on. If

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<v Speaker 8>it wasn't OJ, maybe he just helped his son kind

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<v Speaker 8>of like clean up his mess. What do you think

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<v Speaker 8>about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, are you asking me what I think about your

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<v Speaker 2>theory in particular or what my theory on it is?

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<v Speaker 8>I guess both. Really.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if we're going to say that this is

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<v Speaker 2>actually something that really happened.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh see, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>So you you know, you and I did a series

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<v Speaker 2>before this one, Blood Ties, where I'm convinced certain things

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<v Speaker 2>never really happened. Like you're sitting over here saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all Roman. It's Roman that got Sharon killed, And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, she probably didn't die if she was even

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<v Speaker 2>a real person to begin with.

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<v Speaker 8>That's where that's why I like to get your opinion on.

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<v Speaker 8>So we are different in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually, you know, talk to me ten years

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<v Speaker 2>ago when I was your age or a year older

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<v Speaker 2>than you are now. I would say I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>thought all this shit was staged back then.

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<v Speaker 8>But you don't think there's a level of spirituality to

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<v Speaker 8>it with him being involved in like the process or

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<v Speaker 8>Rosemary's Baby. Not to like dive way off the subject,

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<v Speaker 8>but I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I think it's a good thing to bring up,

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't interrupt you when you said that you're

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<v Speaker 2>more spiritual than me.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't don't think I'm more spiritual. I just think

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<v Speaker 8>I have a tendency to look at things like that, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 8>it's Satanists, or oh it's this or that fucking sigils.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't even like the word spiritual when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to talk about what I believe because I'm an absurdist.

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<v Speaker 2>I take reality as something that you have to enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>by laughing at. So I'm not saying I'm an atheist,

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<v Speaker 2>because I've never been an atheist, but I'm not religious.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think there's some kind of spiritual dance

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<v Speaker 2>going on here, and certain people have a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge about what it is and how to manipulate and

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<v Speaker 2>control it, and those are the people that seem to

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<v Speaker 2>be pulling the strings. So I do think if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to use the word spiritual, it is all spiritual.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't look at which craft is Satanism, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't look at like the light side being Christianity, which

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<v Speaker 2>is where you and I would diverge. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>think there's something very spiritual going on, and especially when

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<v Speaker 2>the manipulation levels, like we're talking about OJ Simpson right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's probably been within the last four years that

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<v Speaker 2>I've started to look at all this stuff a lot differently,

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<v Speaker 2>just because when I started my podcast, I really dove

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<v Speaker 2>into Operation Mockingbird and I really saw what they were

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<v Speaker 2>putting their money into, and that shit, the budget's only

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<v Speaker 2>gone up on that stuff. I don't give a fuck

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<v Speaker 2>what they said after the Church Committee that they stopped

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<v Speaker 2>all that. We all know they didn't. It's all very apparent.

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<v Speaker 2>So these big sensationalized events, I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them are completely staged with actors. They're actually playing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the public version of themselves. O. J. Simpson, Nicole Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd be two people that were just acting in this.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I do sound more like human vibrations

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<v Speaker 2>every day, But I'm not willing to think that everything

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<v Speaker 2>is fake. But I think these really big ones are.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think if we're going to say West Memphis three.

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<v Speaker 8>That was nineties, that was nineties, I think you haven't oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is in here, So manson killings, all that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that we've talked about. I would love that, I say,

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<v Speaker 2>is possibly staged. I would link the OJ Simpson trial

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<v Speaker 2>in with that most efficly.

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<v Speaker 8>Can we play Devil's advocate and say it really happened?

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<v Speaker 8>Who do you think did it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oj?

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<v Speaker 8>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Because yeah, there's a lot of fun theories if this

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<v Speaker 2>I just never really look that anything other than what

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<v Speaker 2>be My opinion was goddamn OJ was lucky that all

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<v Speaker 2>that shit in LA had just went down and people

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to stick it to the LAPD for racial reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the mainstream narrative of that case. You

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<v Speaker 2>documentary series and it's a very compelling case because they

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<v Speaker 2>do link it all together so nicely. But go a

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<v Speaker 2>step above that, and why not think it was all

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<v Speaker 2>scripted to shift culture nineties? Was it you mentioned that

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<v Speaker 2>cultural shift? Yep? It was, and these things that like

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<v Speaker 2>another one that I didn't mention in my little thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I did there a few minutes ago OJ Simpson

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<v Speaker 2>to me is very parallel with Princess Die because I

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<v Speaker 2>found out about both of them from my mom in

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<v Speaker 2>the car. I think she was picking me up from

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<v Speaker 2>basketball camp or something in the summer. That must have

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<v Speaker 2>been Princess Die. Didn't that happen in the summer. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember when OJ that the low speed chase.

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<v Speaker 8>Low speed I should I should always say low speed

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<v Speaker 8>chase from here on out, because that's what it was,

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<v Speaker 8>But I can't remember. I think it was in the summertime, though.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like they both were in my memory.

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<v Speaker 8>And weird thing that I can cover it in a

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<v Speaker 8>whole episode and forget two days later. What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 8>I said?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're talking about so much, right?

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<v Speaker 8>Is that all you wanted to say about OJ? Do

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<v Speaker 8>you think he did it? The glove don't fit? You

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<v Speaker 8>must have quit? I mean, if I'm looking at I

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<v Speaker 8>think it was really there was a You don't think

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<v Speaker 8>that there was something odd though about the cast of

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<v Speaker 8>characters they rolled out for this, like the Kardashian and

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<v Speaker 8>all that shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that just lends more credence to my theory

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<v Speaker 2>that it was casted.

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<v Speaker 8>You're right, You're right, Yeah, definitely be right about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think John Gusty and you talked about this. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember if it was when we all swapcasted or

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<v Speaker 2>when you had him on alone, but he mentioned, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the birthplace of the Kardashian family. Is like, is

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<v Speaker 2>that a mistake?

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<v Speaker 8>But a lot of people would say that they're all

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<v Speaker 8>just witches anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they all are, right, Well they're casting spells on us.

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<v Speaker 8>That's how I think they're.

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<v Speaker 2>The ultimate witches, because it's a clan of transgender.

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<v Speaker 8>Dude, dude, how do you feel about Chloe Kardashian being

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<v Speaker 8>OJ's You know what else? I just saw recently Chloe

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<v Speaker 8>Kardashian is somehow Elvis' daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're getting into like weird shit.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't fucking know. Really, it was on Instagram and

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<v Speaker 8>somebody was saying, look at the bone structure and da

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<v Speaker 8>da da da da. But if I was going to

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<v Speaker 8>pick between Elvis and OJ, I would definitely say OJ.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she does look like she could be half black.

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<v Speaker 8>And she also looks like a linebacker.

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<v Speaker 2>And she doesn't even look like the same person anymore.

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<v Speaker 8>But oh no, she got her whole skeleton redone.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, you probably know more about them in general.

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<v Speaker 2>I just know very surface level stuff about the Kardashians.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it even as a conspiracy theorist. They're fun

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<v Speaker 2>to look into. I've just never been fascinated by him,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's it's it'd be a shame to overlook the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the O. J. Simpson trial basically set the

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<v Speaker 2>stage for that whole thing to happen in reality TV

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<v Speaker 2>what less than ten years later, maybe ten years later.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know exactly when they popped onto the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>I just remember I was working on construction crew when

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<v Speaker 2>I first moved to Ashland, and the guy I worked

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<v Speaker 2>with was like, what do you think Kim Kardashian And

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<v Speaker 2>it was just like U slap in the face of

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<v Speaker 2>where society was at that point, Like this guy to

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<v Speaker 2>break the ice asks me what I think of Kim

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<v Speaker 2>Kardashian and I just said, she's all right. He's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>she's the hottest thing ever.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, she's the hottest thing ever.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean she's not ugly.

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<v Speaker 8>She also has had her face it's done a hundred times,

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<v Speaker 8>so I mean, nobody's ugly when they have the money

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<v Speaker 8>to fix it. Well, something else I mentioned in the

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<v Speaker 8>second episode is Nickelodeon and a lot of the weird

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<v Speaker 8>stuff with the petos and shit. One thing I forgot

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<v Speaker 8>to mention while I recorded that Nickelodeon part is that

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<v Speaker 8>Brian Peck I believe was pin pals with John Wayne

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<v Speaker 8>Gacy and I just fucking found that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I heard you mentioned that on the

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<v Speaker 2>wrap up episode you did with Jonathan and Jacob, and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I don't think i'd heard that before.

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<v Speaker 8>I hadn't. I hadn't heard it either, But the you know,

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<v Speaker 8>doesn't it just seem weird to you how sometimes like

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<v Speaker 8>think two separate things you can be researching can be

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<v Speaker 2>It happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, It's like, randomly, I decided to cover the nineties

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<v Speaker 8>right after we did that Blood Tie series, and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 8>this guy who was raping kids on Nickelodeon was pin

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<v Speaker 8>pals with Gacy? Really he is?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, just can't be surprised at this point.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I just hadn't heard of that, and I

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<v Speaker 8>was like, what the fuck. It's like it's always some

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<v Speaker 8>type of interconnected, like weird peedo ring, you know what

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<v Speaker 8>I mean. So, but kind of getting into today's episode,

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<v Speaker 8>I wanted to just say briefly, some of the major

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<v Speaker 8>events coming out of the nineties would include the disillusion

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<v Speaker 8>of the Soviet Union, Persian Gulf War, Hubble Telescope was launched,

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<v Speaker 8>nineteen ninety two Los Angeles riots, And one of the

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<v Speaker 8>things my brother mentioned was the Columbine shootings. And that's

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<v Speaker 8>something that I had never really looked into that much

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<v Speaker 8>until I watched American Horror Story season one, because he

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<v Speaker 8>goes in the school and he shoots all those kids

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<v Speaker 8>and shit, and I was like, they put a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of conspiracy stuff in American Horror Story, and I kind

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<v Speaker 8>of got to looking into the Columbine. But what is

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<v Speaker 8>your take on it?

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<v Speaker 2>It to me is the prototype of a phenomenon that

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<v Speaker 2>was basically unheard of back then. School shootings were happening,

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<v Speaker 2>but for some reason, this one was the mold and

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<v Speaker 2>you get psychotoptropic drugs, music, video games, supposed homosexuality, so

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<v Speaker 2>some early stages LGBTQ stuff. I mean, this case has

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<v Speaker 2>it all, and most importantly, it takes place in a

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<v Speaker 2>upper class white high school that same year, maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>year before there's one I think it was Pennsylvania, and

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<v Speaker 2>don't quote me on that, but it was upper northeast

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<v Speaker 2>corner of the country somewhere, and it had all the

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<v Speaker 2>markings to be the first one. But for some reason

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't sensationalize that one. This one they did. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's just all sorts of stuff that you can tie

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<v Speaker 2>to it. Marilyn Manson, he claims he was sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>a hotel room saw that breakout of the news and

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<v Speaker 2>he looked at his manager and said, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>blame me for this. That's his story, and he definitely

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<v Speaker 2>rode that into fame. Now, I believe this shooting was

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety nine, so when I think of nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>it technically is nineties. But the Matrix came out in

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine. They also tried to blame that movie because

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<v Speaker 2>in the big shootout scene where Neo and Trinity break

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<v Speaker 2>into the building they need to get to the top

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<v Speaker 2>of they have a big shootout and they've got all

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<v Speaker 2>their guns stashed in their trench coats, and then this

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<v Speaker 2>trench coat mafia language starts happening with the Columbine shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just I mean, out of this list, you just

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<v Speaker 2>went through Soviet Union, Golf War, Hubble, Telescope, La Riots.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the one that I think is definitely the

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<v Speaker 2>most conspiracy driven.

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<v Speaker 8>Well that's why I mentioned it last is because if

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<v Speaker 8>you were to say any of those things to someone

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<v Speaker 8>and say what do you remember about the Persian Gulf War,

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<v Speaker 8>They'd be like, oh, you know, I don't know. And

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<v Speaker 8>you mentioned Columbine, People's fucking eyes light up. Everybody has

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<v Speaker 8>some type of knowledge about Columbine.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you get into like the libertarian leaning

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy crowd, they're gonna remember the Persian Gulf War as

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<v Speaker 2>being like the prototype for foreign invasion that was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take over in a new way with this highly advanced

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<v Speaker 2>technology we had where we could decimate the other side

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<v Speaker 2>without hardly any casualties. And it wasn't a golf war.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a golf fucking I mean, we went in

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<v Speaker 2>there and basically it was I guess incursion would be

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<v Speaker 2>a better word, is that, Yeah, encouraging. It was not

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<v Speaker 2>a war. Bill Hicks had a famous choke about the

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<v Speaker 2>Persian Gulf War, so pre Alex Jones, Bill Hicks he

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<v Speaker 2>liked to say that there has to be two sides

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<v Speaker 2>fighting for it to be a war, and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we had this missile technology that they were showing on television.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like the Vietnam War all over again.

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<v Speaker 8>Where so you remember this?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I was in elementary school.

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<v Speaker 8>Was I born yet?

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<v Speaker 2>No, this would have been a couple of years before you,

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<v Speaker 2>So it would have been like it was hw Bush's

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<v Speaker 2>thing and it was god maybe ninety one, I think

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<v Speaker 2>ninety two it came to.

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<v Speaker 8>A head and then the Los Angeles riots.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, so that's the stuff that you could say

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<v Speaker 2>that OJ Simpson verdict was the blowback of that. It

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<v Speaker 2>was the La riots and they call them race riots

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<v Speaker 2>in some circles. And this is spawned the Rodney King

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<v Speaker 2>thing too. He became, i mean a pseudo celebrity after

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<v Speaker 2>all that. But people say that was the direct cause

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<v Speaker 2>of the you know, not guilty verdict for Oj. Was

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<v Speaker 2>Cochrane came in there and kind of put the lapd

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<v Speaker 2>on trial.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I obviously don't remember the shit because I wasn't

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<v Speaker 8>fucking alive. But I wasn't alive. Yeah, I was Columbine.

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<v Speaker 8>I was alive. You said it was ninety nine. My

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<v Speaker 8>brother said that after Columbine, like the whole fucking school

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<v Speaker 8>culture changed too, and like people couldn't just come and

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<v Speaker 8>visit you at school anymore. You had to like be

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<v Speaker 8>beeped in and badged in and shit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very similar to the nine to eleven airport.

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<v Speaker 8>Say, I was gonna say, like they opted all the

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<v Speaker 8>fucking security and shit, and like this was obviously by design.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I grew up in a very po dunk town.

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<v Speaker 2>I had sixteen kids in my graduating class. And before

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<v Speaker 2>Columbine you could have your fucking hunting gun in the

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<v Speaker 2>back of your vehicle for stopping by the lake to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot a duck on your way home. And there's plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of students that did duck kind of stuff. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that I think it's very like we said, it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, now you have to take your

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<v Speaker 2>shoes off at the airport. Now, some fucking schools, like

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<v Speaker 2>your brother's talking bigger schools, they had metal detectors and

426
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<v Speaker 2>shit installed. And I mean we had a kid bring

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<v Speaker 2>a gun to school and had it in his locker

428
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<v Speaker 2>and he was in deep fucking shit. And that probably

429
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<v Speaker 2>eighty nine, just ten years before that probably would have

430
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<v Speaker 2>been like dude, don't don't bring it in school. But

431
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<v Speaker 2>there was a big showdown and the kid ended up

432
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<v Speaker 2>getting expelled.

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<v Speaker 8>Holy shit. Well, actually, I think this would be a

434
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<v Speaker 8>good time to take a quick break, and when we

435
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<v Speaker 8>come back, we're going to touch on some really fucking

436
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<v Speaker 8>interesting shit that both Colby and I have been looking

437
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<v Speaker 8>into these last couple of weeks. So sit tight and

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<v Speaker 8>we'll be back right after this.

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<v Speaker 10>Hey, what's up, guys. This is Janet from Deplorable Nation podcast.

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<v Speaker 10>And the nineties were colorful to say the least. So

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<v Speaker 10>word of the day was the emergence of themed restaurants

442
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:48.480
<v Speaker 10>like Planet Hollywood and Rainforest Cafes. You could get an

443
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<v Speaker 10>immersive experience while you ate.

444
00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:51.880
<v Speaker 5>Food.

445
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<v Speaker 10>Trends of the day were things like pomp Tarts, Capri,

446
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<v Speaker 10>sun Stuffed Crust, Pizza, fruit Loops, Captain Crunch, and Unchibles yum.

447
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<v Speaker 4>Right.

448
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<v Speaker 10>We had the dying off of my favorite hard rock

449
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:14.039
<v Speaker 10>or awesome rock and heavy metal, and in came the sad,

450
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:19.319
<v Speaker 10>dirty grunge sound of Nirvana, Pearl jam Alice in Chains.

451
00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:23.319
<v Speaker 10>We had pop punk coming up like Green Day and

452
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:27.160
<v Speaker 10>Blink one eight two. We even had alternative rock like

453
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:32.720
<v Speaker 10>Red Hot, Chili Peppers, rim Nickelback and Creed. A lot

454
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:36.799
<v Speaker 10>of things going on worldwide, like the Human Genome Project

455
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:41.559
<v Speaker 10>started cloning of Dolly the Sheep. We had twenty five

456
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:49.279
<v Speaker 10>wars going on worldwide simultaneously, including ninety eleven and the

457
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 10>famous Gulf War. We had the Rwandan genocide, the death

458
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:59.039
<v Speaker 10>of Princess Diana. Of course, the HIV scare and everyone

459
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 10>was freaked out. We had assassinations of Pablo Escobar and Gandhi.

460
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:11.039
<v Speaker 10>Hurricanes hitting all over the world, but the two worst

461
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 10>were in the United States. We had Andrew hitting Florida

462
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.160
<v Speaker 10>and fran hitting North Carolina.

463
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<v Speaker 5>We had a massive.

464
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<v Speaker 10>String of devastating tornadoes that swept through Oklahoma. Fifteen airplane

465
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:33.000
<v Speaker 10>crashes worldwide, causing lots of death and destruction. Cern became

466
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<v Speaker 10>the face of the World Wide Web Project again lucky for.

467
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Speaker 4>Us, right.

468
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.000
<v Speaker 10>And then we had the Y two K panic at

469
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<v Speaker 10>the end of the nineties where people were not sure

470
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:48.559
<v Speaker 10>if the world was going to end because they didn't

471
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.480
<v Speaker 10>know if the computers would roll over to mark the

472
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<v Speaker 10>year two thousand. So yeah, a lot of colorful things

473
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<v Speaker 10>going on. Popular shows that the day were Rosanne Tears,

474
00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:06.920
<v Speaker 10>Seinfeld and Friends, and so that was just the tip

475
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:21.079
<v Speaker 10>of the iceberg. So yeah, the nineties were crazy times.

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<v Speaker 8>And we are back. So moving on. I actually I'll

477
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:27.519
<v Speaker 8>let Colby take this because it's something that I was

478
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 8>unfamiliar with until recently. And we watched I know, I'm

479
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:37.160
<v Speaker 8>always talking shit, but we watched a show on HBO.

480
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.200
<v Speaker 8>Oh it was a showtime Okay, But you know how

481
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.599
<v Speaker 8>I'm always saying like, you can't get your information from

482
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.240
<v Speaker 8>Netflix and HBO, But you said this one was as

483
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.359
<v Speaker 8>accurate as it possibly could be for what it was.

484
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:54.799
<v Speaker 8>And it was called Waco, right, Yeah, And what I

485
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 8>first want you to talk about is Ruby Ridge.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because if we talk about Waco, we have to

487
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<v Speaker 2>start with Ruby Ridge. Because Ruby Ridge was a direct

488
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<v Speaker 2>result of the United States government going after radicalized domestic

489
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:18.039
<v Speaker 2>type sovereign I don't yeah, And I mean this movement

490
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>was all of that. It had the sovereign movement. Uh

491
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Randy Weaver himself, who was the prime target in the standoff.

492
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.920
<v Speaker 2>He married a woman when he was at Fort Bragg

493
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>in the late seventies, I believe, and her name was Vicky.

494
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember her maiden name off the top of

495
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:40.240
<v Speaker 2>my head.

496
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:45.160
<v Speaker 8>But what year did Ruby Ridge go down? Two ninety two?

497
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.480
<v Speaker 8>So this was with the fucking riots and the fucking

498
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 8>and the fucking Gulfer and all that.

499
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:53.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this was its own thing, and it really

500
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:57.599
<v Speaker 2>was isolated to the point where the only reason I

501
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:00.279
<v Speaker 2>had exposure to it like I did is because because

502
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.599
<v Speaker 2>I was living in Idaho and this was, I mean

503
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:06.680
<v Speaker 2>basically a different state. I lived in southern Idaho, like

504
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Mormon High Desertville, and Ruby Ridge was in northern Idaho

505
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:13.599
<v Speaker 2>where they had like the white separatist movement had a

506
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 2>big stronghold up there, a lot of Christian survivalists, which

507
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:19.559
<v Speaker 2>is what I would if I had to like put

508
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:25.200
<v Speaker 2>a name on the movement that Weaver was really into,

509
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.160
<v Speaker 2>even though the mainstream would have you believe that he

510
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:34.119
<v Speaker 2>was this big white nationalist starting shit with the government,

511
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<v Speaker 2>when you really look into it, I mean, it was

512
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<v Speaker 2>one of the worst things that ever happened in this country.

513
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<v Speaker 2>And it predated Waco, which Waco was just a continuation

514
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:50.279
<v Speaker 2>of this type of policy. But do you want me

515
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<v Speaker 2>to just give you like a quick rundown of Ruby.

516
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<v Speaker 8>Ridge, Yeah, and then I want to give you my

517
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:57.319
<v Speaker 8>fucking thoughts on it, because I'm impassioned.

518
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<v Speaker 2>Well, you don't know a lot about the Ruby Ry.

519
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.440
<v Speaker 8>I know what I saw from the show, and it

520
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:03.759
<v Speaker 8>passed me the fuck off.

521
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 2>So what happened was I was starting to say that

522
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.759
<v Speaker 2>Vicky was the gal that he hooked up with. They

523
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:18.240
<v Speaker 2>get married and they're both into like pretty moderate level Christianity.

524
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.960
<v Speaker 2>But she reads this book that a dude wrote in

525
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 2>the seventies. I don't remember the name of it doesn't

526
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 2>really matter, but it was more of this like the

527
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>apocalypses around the corner bridge of Christianity. I mean we

528
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>see it to this day. These people pop out of

529
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:39.400
<v Speaker 2>the woodworks all the time, make predictions, and this guy's

530
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 2>book had her convinced that we were living in the

531
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:46.680
<v Speaker 2>end times and that they needed to like isolate and

532
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.240
<v Speaker 2>start homeschooling their kids. And at this time they had

533
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>one daughter, and they in nineteen eighty three, they bought

534
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:59.920
<v Speaker 2>a piece of property in very secluded mountains of northern Ida,

535
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and Weaver starts affiliating with white nationalists and these really

536
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:13.720
<v Speaker 2>far right leaning like Christian militia groups. And there was

537
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:19.279
<v Speaker 2>fucking undercover agents implanted in this scene already. So Weaver

538
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 2>comes in there being this ex military, ex green Beret,

539
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Port Bragg trained, I mean, everything comes out of for

540
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:33.039
<v Speaker 2>a brag. But so he comes in to this place,

541
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:38.920
<v Speaker 2>gets noticed pretty quickly, and they entrap him. He befriends

542
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:44.319
<v Speaker 2>a guy who's an undercover ATF agent and they entrap

543
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:49.319
<v Speaker 2>him into selling the agent to sowd off shotguns. And

544
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.480
<v Speaker 2>so we were what.

545
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:55.599
<v Speaker 8>Or did they say, can you saw it off? And

546
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:56.519
<v Speaker 8>he said no?

547
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.599
<v Speaker 2>He said no. The guy was relentless. I mean I

548
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 2>was gonna say that, like at first he I don't

549
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.440
<v Speaker 2>know if he smelled a rat and just was listening

550
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:06.559
<v Speaker 2>to his instincts or just thought it was a bad idea.

551
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.759
<v Speaker 2>But the funny thing about this is if you just

552
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.000
<v Speaker 2>look into it a little bit, the crime he committed,

553
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 2>he could have actually had legal clearance if he bought

554
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>a two hundred dollars permit. That's the only thing standing

555
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.400
<v Speaker 2>in between this being a crime and this not being

556
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.359
<v Speaker 2>a crime. So it's a paperwork issue. And he was

557
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:26.839
<v Speaker 2>very much, you know, in the sovereign movement, so he

558
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:29.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't give a fuck about the paperwork. And he had

559
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.519
<v Speaker 2>told this guy who thought was his friend, this undercover agent,

560
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:35.839
<v Speaker 2>I really need some money right now, and the guy

561
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>smelled blood and went in and got him to do it.

562
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.599
<v Speaker 2>So he sells these guys or this guy the guns

563
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.799
<v Speaker 2>at like a park or something. They meet and makes

564
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.559
<v Speaker 2>the hand off, and he tells the guy, I can

565
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.519
<v Speaker 2>get you one of these a week. That's according to

566
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:54.160
<v Speaker 2>the agent. I don't believe this. So Weaver's story is

567
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:56.440
<v Speaker 2>that he was hard up for cash, he was desperate.

568
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>He knew he shouldn't have done it, and he did

569
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:04.000
<v Speaker 2>it anyway. And this started the whole thing because this

570
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.199
<v Speaker 2>was the reason they approached him. We've got this dirt

571
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 2>on you now. They told him they wanted him to

572
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:14.480
<v Speaker 2>be an informant, and he told him to go fuck themselves.

573
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 8>They we don't think he said I can get you

574
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:17.119
<v Speaker 8>one a week.

575
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:20.000
<v Speaker 2>But this is the age ATF.

576
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<v Speaker 8>You might as well fucking asked Charles Manson about a

577
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:28.559
<v Speaker 8>sod Off shotgun. I mean, literally, babe, They fucking lie

578
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 8>about everything, right, I'm not talking about the guy. I'm

579
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 8>talking about fucking the ATF lies about everything.

580
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Of course, and we're you know, this is just gonna

581
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 2>spill over into the Waco thing. But so I'm gonna

582
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 2>try to make this the shortest version possible, and if

583
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:48.639
<v Speaker 2>you have like any questions, I could maybe fill in

584
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<v Speaker 2>some blanks, but because of this him telling them to

585
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>get fucked, they came after him hard on the gun charge.

586
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:56.239
<v Speaker 8>Uh.

587
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<v Speaker 2>They pretended to be broken down motorists on this background,

588
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:05.440
<v Speaker 2>and he stopped with his wife, I believe at the time,

589
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.559
<v Speaker 2>and they arrested him, took him in cuffs, took him in,

590
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.920
<v Speaker 2>and then they let him go. He had to like

591
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.679
<v Speaker 2>mortgage his house as bail just to get out. I

592
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.400
<v Speaker 2>think it was like fifteen thousand dollars ten to fifteen

593
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.360
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars somewhere in there. So they let him out

594
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.679
<v Speaker 2>and then they tell him in this paperwork they gave

595
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.679
<v Speaker 2>him that his court date was March twentieth, and so

596
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 2>they actually set up the court date for February twentieth,

597
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.199
<v Speaker 2>gave him the wrong date, so he doesn't show up.

598
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:38.800
<v Speaker 8>Oh, come on.

599
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 2>And this is all admitted. This isn't even conspiracy stuff.

600
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.199
<v Speaker 2>This is all documented through it.

601
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<v Speaker 8>You're being fucking you're are you mess with me?

602
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:54.760
<v Speaker 2>This gets worse, so they issue a warrant failure to appear.

603
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:57.400
<v Speaker 8>In court, and honey, I can't take it.

604
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>So for the next eighteen months, Weaver is in a limbo,

605
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.639
<v Speaker 2>knowing that they could just come arrest him anytime. They want.

606
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:10.599
<v Speaker 2>And what they do is they start heavy surveillance outside

607
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.320
<v Speaker 2>his house. They have people in camouflage clothes because he

608
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.320
<v Speaker 2>missed his court Nate, well, because they wanted this guy.

609
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:18.559
<v Speaker 2>But yes, that was.

610
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:20.840
<v Speaker 8>The but that's the reason they Yes.

611
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's the reason for the warrant.

612
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.039
<v Speaker 8>Unnecessary.

613
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Now, I don't want to like be total on the

614
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:28.679
<v Speaker 2>side of Weaver in this, even though I am, But

615
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I gotta say anytime he could have turned himself in

616
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.360
<v Speaker 2>knowing that there was a warrant, but he didn't. I

617
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.360
<v Speaker 2>that I probably wouldn't have. But I'm just saying he does.

618
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<v Speaker 8>I mean, because he knows because they've done right by

619
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.079
<v Speaker 8>him so far, Why why not turn myself in because

620
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 8>they're the good guy.

621
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

622
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.119
<v Speaker 8>Right, if he turned himself in and that he knew,

623
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.119
<v Speaker 8>he was gonna get even fucked.

624
00:36:52.840 --> 00:37:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Harder, well it gets worse. So now, the the version

625
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>of the story I'm going to give is coming from

626
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:10.079
<v Speaker 2>the Weavers, so I would prefer that A little backstory here.

627
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>The Weavers had three kids, Sarah, she was sixteen when

628
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:18.920
<v Speaker 2>this went down, Sam who was fourteen, and then they

629
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:23.559
<v Speaker 2>had an infant who I believe was about ten months old,

630
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.679
<v Speaker 2>a girl I don't remember her name. But there was

631
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.880
<v Speaker 2>also this guy named Kevin Harris who was a family friend.

632
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>I think he was like older than Sam, who was fourteen,

633
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.519
<v Speaker 2>but he wasn't quite like an adult, but he was

634
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.599
<v Speaker 2>a troubled person that they took in and he was

635
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:46.039
<v Speaker 2>a family friend. So one morning they hear their dog

636
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Speaker 2>freaking out, and this is a yellow lab who was

637
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:54.000
<v Speaker 2>a goddamn good guard dog. The dog goes off in

638
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 2>the woods just freaking out, and Kevin and Sam chase

639
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:04.039
<v Speaker 2>after the dog with guns, and Randy goes off another direction,

640
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and that's when the dog leads Kevin and Sam right

641
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:12.960
<v Speaker 2>to the fucking agents out there in their cameo gear.

642
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.960
<v Speaker 2>And the version of the story right here is where

643
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:21.679
<v Speaker 2>it diverges because the kid claim or the guy, Kevin

644
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:26.320
<v Speaker 2>claims that they shot the dog, and then Sam said,

645
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 2>why'd you shoot my dog? And he's pointing his gun

646
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 2>around and they start firing, and so Kevin shoots one

647
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.719
<v Speaker 2>of the agents that opens fire, kills him, and then

648
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.719
<v Speaker 2>all hell breaks loose. Randy's yelling for them to get

649
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:44.119
<v Speaker 2>back to the house. Sam turns around to run and

650
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.519
<v Speaker 2>he's shot in the back. Fourteen year old kid shot

651
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 2>retreating and he was shot once in the arm and

652
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:52.360
<v Speaker 2>once in the back.

653
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:57.159
<v Speaker 8>So they killed the man's dog and his son in

654
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 8>one fucking fail swoop.

655
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what starts the standoff.

656
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:02.360
<v Speaker 8>Why did they kill the dog?

657
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 2>So that was if you actually look into it, it's

658
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 2>come out since that the whole reason they went in

659
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.239
<v Speaker 2>close to the house that day was to lure the

660
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:11.719
<v Speaker 2>dog out.

661
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 8>Oh my god, they planned it.

662
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:18.159
<v Speaker 2>They wanted to kill the dog so that when.

663
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 8>They couldn't, it wouldn't alert them to their presence.

664
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like getting rid of their oh my honey.

665
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:25.639
<v Speaker 8>Please.

666
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:31.480
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, now the story of the ATF has given

667
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Speaker 2>sense is that they decided to pull out last minute,

668
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.599
<v Speaker 2>and they were leaving and then the dog came out

669
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and forced their hand.

670
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 8>But give me a break.

671
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 2>The real truth that consensus has kind of delivered us

672
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:51.519
<v Speaker 2>is that no, they did exactly what they came to do,

673
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.119
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't plan on the kid and the family

674
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 2>friend being out there with guns and all hell brows.

675
00:39:57.519 --> 00:39:59.679
<v Speaker 8>Why did they have to shoot his kid in the back.

676
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, so fire broke out after that. The ATF claims

677
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.880
<v Speaker 2>that he was waving his gun around frantically saying why'd

678
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:10.199
<v Speaker 2>shoot my dog and that they were under threat. Some

679
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:15.519
<v Speaker 2>say that uh, he shot first, but all accounts and

680
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.039
<v Speaker 2>even they even got caught line. One of the guys

681
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:21.760
<v Speaker 2>said he didn't fire any shots, and they looked later

682
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:26.639
<v Speaker 2>and he had fired seven bullets. Oh my god, they're

683
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:28.239
<v Speaker 2>blatantly covering up things.

684
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.559
<v Speaker 8>And that's why I said. He probably didn't say he

685
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 8>could get him one soot off shotgun a week. They've

686
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:34.280
<v Speaker 8>fucking lied this whole time.

687
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 2>And so then at some point, oh my god, Pavin,

688
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Vicky and Randy go out and grab the body of

689
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Sam and bring him back to his shed. And this

690
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.719
<v Speaker 2>is just a little side note on how like radically

691
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:58.119
<v Speaker 2>religious these people were. They had a I don't remember

692
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>if they called it a bleeding shed or a blood said,

693
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:04.320
<v Speaker 2>but it's where Sarah, the daughter and the mom would

694
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.800
<v Speaker 2>have their periods. So like hippies do this, and apparently

695
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:09.559
<v Speaker 2>Native Americans sometimes did it.

696
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.599
<v Speaker 8>Jewish people, I don't know, maybe, no, I know that

697
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:13.280
<v Speaker 8>for a fact.

698
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, these guys were staunch Old Testament followers.

699
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you're supposed to bleed in a separate area.

700
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:22.320
<v Speaker 2>So that that's another little like inconsistency is they tried

701
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 2>to paint these people as anti Jewish, like anti Semites,

702
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 2>but they considered themselves Israelites because they were followers of

703
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:30.280
<v Speaker 2>the old tim.

704
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.960
<v Speaker 8>Well, they've tried to paint him as everything but a fucking.

705
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:40.840
<v Speaker 2>The religious radical stuff is true and even this shit

706
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>they're doing. So when he was arrested, Vicky sent a

707
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:51.079
<v Speaker 2>letter to the government and she signed it a servant

708
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:55.639
<v Speaker 2>of the Queen of Babylon and she said, basically I'm

709
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.800
<v Speaker 2>paraphrasing here, but one of her letters said, and she

710
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.239
<v Speaker 2>didn't cuss, but us the fuck alone, and if you

711
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>come in, we will be forced to defend ourselves. And

712
00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.079
<v Speaker 2>this is a theory, or not a theory, but this

713
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 2>is a theme that's going to carry over in to

714
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Waco because these people are isolated prophesizing that the fucking

715
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Babylon or whatever the government is going to come in,

716
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:21.679
<v Speaker 2>and they make the prophecy come true just by doing

717
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.679
<v Speaker 2>what they do. And so you think these people are

718
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.320
<v Speaker 2>going to be reasoned with after you actually showed them

719
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.880
<v Speaker 2>that everything they believed about the government is true. And

720
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.519
<v Speaker 2>so anyway, they get the body, they take it back

721
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:39.719
<v Speaker 2>into the bleeding shed and Randy and Vicky clean it

722
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:43.320
<v Speaker 2>up and they just keep him out there. At one

723
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 2>point they actually come in and take the body. Who

724
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.880
<v Speaker 2>takes it the government.

725
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:51.960
<v Speaker 8>They take the little boy's body for what.

726
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:53.960
<v Speaker 9>For?

727
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:55.440
<v Speaker 8>Why?

728
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.360
<v Speaker 2>So maybe evidence? Maybe to clean up the evidence.

729
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.239
<v Speaker 8>Oh my god, babe, they fucking defiled it.

730
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what they did. But anyway, the next

731
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:09.840
<v Speaker 2>major step is because of the body. So they were

732
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:13.000
<v Speaker 2>sitting outside, and so this family's just this whole time,

733
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:17.000
<v Speaker 2>they're like, if you look at Sarah's testimony, she was like,

734
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:20.559
<v Speaker 2>we were just hoping that somebody was gonna come save us,

735
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:25.199
<v Speaker 2>like this wasn't okay, and you know, somebody in charge

736
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.280
<v Speaker 2>was gonna be on our side. Little did they know

737
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.320
<v Speaker 2>this was all coming from up on high and there

738
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 2>was no way they were ever going to get out

739
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:37.960
<v Speaker 2>of there like peacefully. Because after this goes down, this

740
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.400
<v Speaker 2>was an eleven day siege in total, but like three

741
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:45.559
<v Speaker 2>days left. This is when all hell breaks loose. Randy

742
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>goes out till he says, he always would word it

743
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.960
<v Speaker 2>like I'm gonna go check on Sam. So he goes

744
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 2>out there, the daughter's with him, Kevin's outside also doing

745
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:00.400
<v Speaker 2>something else, and they kind of all are just standing

746
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:08.960
<v Speaker 2>in different places and gunfire starts and or Ucci is

747
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:12.280
<v Speaker 2>the name of this sniper, and he's an ATF sniper,

748
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.840
<v Speaker 2>or he might know he may be FBI. I think

749
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.760
<v Speaker 2>he's FBI, So at this point the FBI kind of

750
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:22.440
<v Speaker 2>had taken over. He gets orders that if you see

751
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:27.000
<v Speaker 2>an adult outside armed, open fire, and Randy was not

752
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.320
<v Speaker 2>armed when this happened. He's going around the shed. He's

753
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.920
<v Speaker 2>opening the door and shots ring out, and Sarah runs

754
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:39.239
<v Speaker 2>to her dad and actually like shields him, and she's like,

755
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:41.199
<v Speaker 2>if they're going to shoot my dad, they're gonna have

756
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.880
<v Speaker 2>to shoot me first. And she's like helping him back

757
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 2>to the house. He got shot somewhere, I think, around

758
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the shoulder, and they bring him in and everybody kind

759
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.599
<v Speaker 2>of meets at the front door right all together. It's

760
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:56.519
<v Speaker 2>a big clusterfuck and Kevin dives in and right as

761
00:44:56.559 --> 00:45:00.960
<v Speaker 2>they close the door, ry Ucci takes his second shot.

762
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 2>It goes through the window, right through fucking Vicky's head

763
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.719
<v Speaker 2>and she's holding the ten month old baby and Sarah's

764
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:11.960
<v Speaker 2>standing right next to her. She said it was deafening,

765
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:16.199
<v Speaker 2>like the bullet went right by her ear and Vicky

766
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:21.360
<v Speaker 2>hits the floor dead immediately. Kevin gets the bullet that

767
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:26.840
<v Speaker 2>passes through. Vicky hits Kevin and just obliterates like a

768
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:30.119
<v Speaker 2>chunk of his arm and then shrapnel fucking hits his chest.

769
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.519
<v Speaker 2>It's a miracle this guy survived. And so now you

770
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:39.800
<v Speaker 2>have the dead wife after the dead sun and one

771
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.199
<v Speaker 2>wounded guy. Baby's fine, but mom's dead.

772
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.519
<v Speaker 8>Oh god, honey, they killed this man's entire family.

773
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, the negotiations start now, and this.

774
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.440
<v Speaker 8>Is negotiations after they've just family.

775
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:58.400
<v Speaker 2>And if you remember the Waco show we watched, this

776
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.199
<v Speaker 2>is how the opening of the show is showing all this, like, I.

777
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:03.559
<v Speaker 8>Know, but what is there left to negotiate when you've

778
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:05.280
<v Speaker 8>killed the man's entire family?

779
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.679
<v Speaker 2>Get this? Okay? So the negotiations start and FBI's got

780
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 2>their top guy on it, and he says at one

781
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:19.119
<v Speaker 2>point something like, we all had pancakes out here for breakfast. Hey, Vicky,

782
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I know your kids are hungry. Why don't you just

783
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:22.679
<v Speaker 2>come out with your kids? And they're in there going

784
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:26.800
<v Speaker 2>you just fucking shot her mom and Sarah in her testimony,

785
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.039
<v Speaker 2>and she's written a book on this sense and she's

786
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:31.480
<v Speaker 2>gone on like a few podcasts and talked to a

787
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 2>few interviewers, but she was thinking like they're just rubbing

788
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 2>it in our faces. She thought they knew that she

789
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:42.559
<v Speaker 2>was dead, and so gosh, I forget this guy's name.

790
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:46.400
<v Speaker 8>So hold up real quick, hey, dead person, come get

791
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:52.360
<v Speaker 8>some pancakes. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

792
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:56.000
<v Speaker 8>We also made sausage out of your dead fucking dog.

793
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:59.679
<v Speaker 8>We got out here. Oh just kidding, it's fucking we

794
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:04.400
<v Speaker 8>to fucking leg meat from your dead son and made

795
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:09.119
<v Speaker 8>some fucking sausage patties. Come get them, like they're literally

796
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:13.000
<v Speaker 8>rubbing it in their face. They just killed this guy's

797
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:13.679
<v Speaker 8>whole family.

798
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:20.239
<v Speaker 2>So the negotiator for the FBI at some point realizes, like,

799
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:24.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, he looks at all of us as the same. Obviously,

800
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 2>the negotiator had nothing to do with the you know,

801
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:31.039
<v Speaker 2>the shootoff and all that. So he realizes, I need

802
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.840
<v Speaker 2>to bring in some familiarity. So he brings in this

803
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Colonel bo Gritz, who was a Green Beret anti government

804
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:41.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, walked along in the same circles

805
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:45.320
<v Speaker 2>as Weaver. They didn't know each other personally, but Weaver

806
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:47.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of idolized this guy. I think he's the guy

807
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:51.960
<v Speaker 2>that inspired some of the later Rambo movies. This was

808
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.000
<v Speaker 2>a dude who like tried to really, yeah, he tried

809
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.880
<v Speaker 2>to rescue POW's and Vietnam and shit. I mean, he

810
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>was just like an icon for these people. So the

811
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>FBI negotiator calls Bo Gritz to come in. He walks

812
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:08.880
<v Speaker 2>up to the house, unarmed, no kevlar, and he's like, Randy,

813
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:10.639
<v Speaker 2>why don't you just come out and talk with us,

814
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.599
<v Speaker 2>I think we need to end this. Randy just kind

815
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.320
<v Speaker 2>of cracks open the door and says, hey, Bo, they

816
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:20.199
<v Speaker 2>shot Vicky. And he just goes fuck and walks back

817
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:23.360
<v Speaker 2>down and tells everybody you killed his wife. And so

818
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:26.480
<v Speaker 2>these guys kind of just talk back and forth a

819
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit. Randy gets comfortable and decides, you know, we

820
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:35.599
<v Speaker 2>should let Kevin out. So on August thirtieth, Kevin, like

821
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.639
<v Speaker 2>day ten of this thing. Kevin goes out, gets medical attention.

822
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 2>And then the next day Bo and his daughter they

823
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Speaker 2>go out, you know, the daughter and the infant girl,

824
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.719
<v Speaker 2>and it just in.

825
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:49.840
<v Speaker 8>Randy goes out.

826
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he surrenders.

827
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.440
<v Speaker 8>Randy the baby and the daughter goes out.

828
00:48:54.599 --> 00:49:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it's over. And this pretty successful attorney named

829
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Jerry Spence, he just made a spectacle out of the

830
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:08.440
<v Speaker 2>incompetency and all the fuck ups of the FBI agents.

831
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:12.360
<v Speaker 2>He basically puts them on trial, shows all their inconsistencies,

832
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:18.239
<v Speaker 2>shows that they were at fault basically, and Weaver ends up.

833
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:19.519
<v Speaker 8>What about the ATF.

834
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:26.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, a lot didn't happen with that legally, but I'll

835
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.559
<v Speaker 2>just wrap this up and then we'll get right into that.

836
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Because of that, we'll directly link us to Waco. So

837
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:42.360
<v Speaker 2>at trial, Weaver does not guilty or he excuse me,

838
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 2>he pleads not guilty. And the entire thing was just

839
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 2>like cut and dry. This Jerry Spence guy's kicking the

840
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:53.199
<v Speaker 2>shit out of the ATF. And Randy Weavers found guilty

841
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:57.039
<v Speaker 2>on failure to peer in court eighteen months months to

842
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:01.000
<v Speaker 2>spend in prison, and they get gave him time served.

843
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:03.400
<v Speaker 2>So after the trial he has three months in prison,

844
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 2>he's out, and he just became a radical speaker like

845
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.960
<v Speaker 2>gun shows, and he'd go on like you know, people's

846
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:16.039
<v Speaker 2>podcasts and stuff. I heard him talking throughout the years.

847
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:20.079
<v Speaker 2>He died in twenty twenty two, but I remember when

848
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:23.280
<v Speaker 2>this all went down. It's just to show you kind

849
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:28.599
<v Speaker 2>of the mainstream narrative of it. I was in probably

850
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:33.000
<v Speaker 2>like later elementary school when this went down, Like the

851
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.800
<v Speaker 2>trial and all that, and he ended up going to

852
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:39.199
<v Speaker 2>prison to serve out his three months in Ada County,

853
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:42.280
<v Speaker 2>which is where I was probably living, because when I

854
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:44.400
<v Speaker 2>moved to southern Idaho, we lived in Ada County, in

855
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Twin Falls County, and I remember people at school explaining

856
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:52.280
<v Speaker 2>to us, like, this guy was a bad guy. He

857
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.920
<v Speaker 2>was a racist, he was a white supremacist. He picked

858
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:57.760
<v Speaker 2>a fight with the government and they had to go

859
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.679
<v Speaker 2>in and shoot him, and you know the where the

860
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:05.159
<v Speaker 2>casualties wore, the wife, and it just they painted him

861
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:06.480
<v Speaker 2>as a bad guy. It wasn't until I got a

862
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit older and I started like rubbing shoulders with

863
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:12.559
<v Speaker 2>some conspiracy theorists who like some of them, actually knew

864
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.000
<v Speaker 2>the people that were involved in all this, and they

865
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.119
<v Speaker 2>just look at this guy as like a freedom fighter

866
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and a hero. So it's kind of funny.

867
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:20.480
<v Speaker 8>He is a hero.

868
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:26.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he'll never forgive himself. He's mentioned that he

869
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:28.079
<v Speaker 2>wishes he would have done things a little differently. Of

870
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:30.599
<v Speaker 2>course he does. His fucking son and his wife.

871
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 8>Got killed, and his dog and his dog.

872
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:38.239
<v Speaker 2>So this will now spill over into Waco if you're

873
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 2>ready to go into that, because the events of Ruby

874
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Ridge caused the Clinton administration to really take a hard

875
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:50.199
<v Speaker 2>look at the ATF, and rumors are they were going

876
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:55.039
<v Speaker 2>to cut the funding for it. And at that point,

877
00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:00.440
<v Speaker 2>some guy got the synth on this compound Mount Carmel

878
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:05.360
<v Speaker 2>in Waco, Texas, where they were reportedly stockpiling weapons and

879
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:06.840
<v Speaker 2>marrying underage girls.

880
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.519
<v Speaker 8>But don't you feel like that's just a little too convenient.

881
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.679
<v Speaker 11>You've looked to me to be your leader to God

882
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:31.639
<v Speaker 11>you on this journey, But I'm no a leader. I'm

883
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:37.960
<v Speaker 11>a follower just like you. God has instructed me to

884
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 11>stay here and wait for his son. This is our

885
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.599
<v Speaker 11>time to prove through suffering that we are worthy of

886
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:48.280
<v Speaker 11>the miracle.

887
00:52:48.360 --> 00:53:01.000
<v Speaker 5>That's the code.

888
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:12.039
<v Speaker 4>The Kingdom of Heaven.

889
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.559
<v Speaker 5>Is coming, I'd promis you.

890
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, then this will just go right into the Okay,

891
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:33.880
<v Speaker 2>see bombed.

892
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:36.840
<v Speaker 8>Well, no, I'm just saying. I'm just saying it's a

893
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.599
<v Speaker 8>little too convenient. They were about to cut the funding

894
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 8>for this fucking, fucking natyf shit, and then all of

895
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 8>a sudden there's a compound that pops up and they

896
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:49.760
<v Speaker 8>just gotta go and guns the blazing and fucking shoot everybody.

897
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, and the thing that was going on in the

898
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:53.920
<v Speaker 2>early nineties. That kind of led to the whole Ruby

899
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Ridge incident is that the FBI turned their resources inward

900
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:06.400
<v Speaker 2>to look for radicalized Americans, anti government, hardcore religious survivalists.

901
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.719
<v Speaker 2>They were really infiltrating these groups, and so Waco was

902
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.239
<v Speaker 2>probably already on their radar, but they were just looking

903
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.880
<v Speaker 2>for an easy bust, and they ended up fucking recreating

904
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.639
<v Speaker 2>Ruby Ridge on a more massive scale. They killed many

905
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:25.320
<v Speaker 2>kids and they and it's very similar. The incident started

906
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.559
<v Speaker 2>with them shooting a dog. Because they shot the dog

907
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:33.119
<v Speaker 2>and then fire gunfire breaks out, and at that point,

908
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, the FBI and the ATF swear that the

909
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:40.480
<v Speaker 2>ATF agents fired back, but everybody inside swears that they

910
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:42.719
<v Speaker 2>fired first, that the government fired first.

911
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 8>Well guess who the fuck I believe? Well, yeah, And

912
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:50.360
<v Speaker 8>just to get something clear, because before I watched the show,

913
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:55.559
<v Speaker 8>I myself had only heard of the Branch Davidians, this

914
00:54:55.719 --> 00:55:04.199
<v Speaker 8>Waco compound. These people as like all but psychopaths who

915
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:08.920
<v Speaker 8>believed David Koresh was Jesus and that they were stockpiling guns.

916
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:13.559
<v Speaker 8>And they went to go serve a search warrant and

917
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.719
<v Speaker 8>they just fucking got machine guns and started shooting the

918
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:20.000
<v Speaker 8>agents and shit. That's how they always that's how they

919
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:24.199
<v Speaker 8>always make it sound that David Koresh was saying that

920
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:28.280
<v Speaker 8>he was Jesus and that these Branch Davidians were fucking kids,

921
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:32.199
<v Speaker 8>and it sounded like something out of a horror movie

922
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:35.480
<v Speaker 8>when they described these guys. And then you watched this

923
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:39.599
<v Speaker 8>show and you really get to start looking into the

924
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.159
<v Speaker 8>Branch Davidians were and what David Koresh was really saying,

925
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:46.119
<v Speaker 8>and it's like, who the fuck cares what they believed in?

926
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:49.679
<v Speaker 8>They weren't hurting anybody, and they were keeping to themselves

927
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:53.920
<v Speaker 8>out there, and it was like, yeah, they had some guns,

928
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:56.519
<v Speaker 8>but they weren't preparing for battle.

929
00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:00.320
<v Speaker 2>No, And a lot of the stuff was just away

930
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:07.400
<v Speaker 2>to generate revenue. They were buying and selling legal guns

931
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:11.239
<v Speaker 2>for gun shows and there they had a lot of

932
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:13.760
<v Speaker 2>little side of operations on how they were making money

933
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and how they were maintaining out there. They didn't have

934
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 2>fucking electricity. They had electricity. They didn't have running water.

935
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.679
<v Speaker 8>They didn't have running water, but they did have electric.

936
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:23.360
<v Speaker 2>They had electricity.

937
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:25.599
<v Speaker 8>But honey, you know what I'm saying is like, who

938
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.559
<v Speaker 8>the fuck cares what they believed in? They weren't they

939
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.360
<v Speaker 8>were literally not hurting kids, and they were literally not

940
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:34.480
<v Speaker 8>hurting anyone. Well yeah, and I mean they make it

941
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:36.039
<v Speaker 8>sound like he was raping kids.

942
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Well a lot of this they shift the focus onto

943
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:41.760
<v Speaker 2>David Koresh and if you want to get into some

944
00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:44.320
<v Speaker 2>of the finer points on him, whether he said he

945
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:48.239
<v Speaker 2>was Jesus or not. I mean, they flat out gave

946
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.159
<v Speaker 2>this guy the chance to like explain what was going

947
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:54.239
<v Speaker 2>on in there during this what was it fifty.

948
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:58.880
<v Speaker 8>Fifty one, day fifty one I believe.

949
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so have a standoff that's very reminiscent of Ruby Ridge,

950
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.360
<v Speaker 2>but this time there's so much more at stake, and

951
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.440
<v Speaker 2>this entire thing is out in the middle of a

952
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:13.920
<v Speaker 2>goddamn open desert and it's surrounded by media. From day one,

953
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.719
<v Speaker 2>there's very little footage of the Ruby Ridge standoff. I

954
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.960
<v Speaker 2>mean the aftermath the reporters had kind of gotten there,

955
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:26.039
<v Speaker 2>but I mean they show you, like the white supremacists

956
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:28.920
<v Speaker 2>that are protesting at the bottom of the property, but

957
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:32.400
<v Speaker 2>they don't show you like constant news covers that Waco

958
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:35.199
<v Speaker 2>was getting. And at one point they were even like

959
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:41.559
<v Speaker 2>communicating with a live radio show by turning their satellite dish.

960
00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:44.119
<v Speaker 2>There was something that I didn't talk about in the

961
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Ruby Ridge standoff, Like remember Paul Harvey the rest of

962
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:53.119
<v Speaker 2>the story. Guy, he's an AM radio guy. Anyway, he

963
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:57.000
<v Speaker 2>was like telling Randy Weaver to surrender, and then they

964
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.320
<v Speaker 2>brought a little robot with a phone on it because

965
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:01.920
<v Speaker 2>they were having a hard time hearing him and they

966
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.320
<v Speaker 2>were trying to negotiate, and they look out the window

967
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:06.679
<v Speaker 2>and there's a little robot on wheels, probably like from

968
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:10.079
<v Speaker 2>the moon landing, and it's got a phone on it,

969
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:13.599
<v Speaker 2>but it's got a fucking shotgun pointed it, like where

970
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.079
<v Speaker 2>you'd have to be to grab the phone.

971
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:17.599
<v Speaker 8>Oh, so come and get his phone and we'll blow

972
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:18.800
<v Speaker 8>your fucking hand off.

973
00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So anyway, I mean that was a little just

974
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:25.039
<v Speaker 2>a little circle back, but yeah, Waco was equally horrible,

975
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:28.199
<v Speaker 2>but I would I would argue that Ruby Ridge was

976
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:30.880
<v Speaker 2>the one that really showed me like you can be

977
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:35.480
<v Speaker 2>doing nothing to hurt somebody and just have the fucking

978
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:38.400
<v Speaker 2>governments surround you and kill your family and then they'll

979
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:39.239
<v Speaker 2>get away with it.

980
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:43.599
<v Speaker 8>Dude, Mormons get away with more. Like David Koresh. They

981
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 8>were like, well, he's got a bunch of wives and

982
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:48.280
<v Speaker 8>he's getting them all pregnant out there? Hello, has anybody

983
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:53.159
<v Speaker 8>watched Sister Wives? Like, fucking this is not a new

984
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.239
<v Speaker 8>fucking phenomenon. A guy who's fucking a bunch of chicks

985
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.880
<v Speaker 8>and getting them pregnant, Like they were literally living peacefully

986
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:05.920
<v Speaker 8>on a fucking compound, fucking eating baloney sandwiches and reading

987
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:09.360
<v Speaker 8>the Bible and I get it, Like I don't like

988
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:13.800
<v Speaker 8>religious cults either, but no one was actually in danger

989
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:14.920
<v Speaker 8>at all.

990
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, a cult are not a cult? Not a cult,

991
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:25.880
<v Speaker 2>but the word cult has a connotation to it where, oh,

992
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.159
<v Speaker 2>it's the ones that we don't like and they're doing

993
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:30.320
<v Speaker 2>things that are weird, and we paint them in this light,

994
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:33.679
<v Speaker 2>and then they're a cult. When we all fucking do

995
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.440
<v Speaker 2>cult shit all day, every day of our lives, we're

996
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:39.519
<v Speaker 2>all involved in that kind of stuff. But when it's

997
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:43.360
<v Speaker 2>this one thing where you get like this anti government

998
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:49.880
<v Speaker 2>sentiment and like really right leaning ideologies and Christian based ideologies,

999
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.960
<v Speaker 2>that combination freaks them the fuck out for some reason.

1000
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:55.239
<v Speaker 8>Let me tell, let me ask you something. Did you

1001
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:58.679
<v Speaker 8>ever watch any of the series on like Warren Jeffs

1002
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:01.039
<v Speaker 8>and what he was doing on the More and Compounds?

1003
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know about it. I never like dove

1004
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:03.840
<v Speaker 2>into it.

1005
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:08.719
<v Speaker 8>Where is the fucking siege on Zion. He's a religious

1006
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:13.000
<v Speaker 8>cult leader that was literally raping twelve and thirteen year olds,

1007
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:17.320
<v Speaker 8>had like forty wives. He was also doing weird stuff

1008
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:23.679
<v Speaker 8>with guns and like just totally illegal shit. But there

1009
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:26.239
<v Speaker 8>was no fucking siege on fucking Zion.

1010
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, if you look at it from that perspective, then

1011
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:31.559
<v Speaker 2>I would say that there's probably a lot of fucking

1012
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.559
<v Speaker 2>ATF agents out there using what you just said, saying

1013
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:36.880
<v Speaker 2>we need a bigger budget. Look at this one got

1014
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 2>under our radar.

1015
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:41.280
<v Speaker 8>No, but I'm sorry they wait, Like why did? I'm

1016
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:45.800
<v Speaker 8>trying to give people perspective as to Yeah, you might

1017
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:48.480
<v Speaker 8>have not agreed with what David Koresh and what the

1018
01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:51.880
<v Speaker 8>branch Davidians were all about, but they weren't. The people

1019
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.360
<v Speaker 8>who were there were not in danger. They were there

1020
01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:58.760
<v Speaker 8>of their own free will. He was practicing similar religious

1021
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:03.800
<v Speaker 8>beliefs as some Mormons that have their own TV show

1022
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:07.320
<v Speaker 8>that nobody's fucking sieging on their asses, and like they

1023
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:11.000
<v Speaker 8>literally just showed up and started killing women and children

1024
01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:14.280
<v Speaker 8>because they needed to fucking prove that the ATF could

1025
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.000
<v Speaker 8>be valuable in some capacity.

1026
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and it's almost like they didn't expect it.

1027
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not saying it's almost like I believe

1028
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:26.840
<v Speaker 2>they did not expect this to just be Ruby Ridge

1029
01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:30.639
<v Speaker 2>two point zero. In fact, they were using it to say, see,

1030
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Ruby Ridge was just a one off fuck up, but

1031
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:35.039
<v Speaker 2>if it wasn't for us, this kind of stuff would

1032
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:37.960
<v Speaker 2>go undetected all the time. Instead, they get the same

1033
01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:43.400
<v Speaker 2>goddamn thing. And the negotiator, who was both on Ruby

1034
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Ridge and Waco, he even told those guys like you

1035
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:53.079
<v Speaker 2>fucking can't do it like this again. It's just gonna

1036
01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:56.719
<v Speaker 2>be worse. It's gonna be another Ruby Ridge. And I

1037
01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:59.400
<v Speaker 2>mean in the show, I don't think I told you this.

1038
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:01.960
<v Speaker 2>They make it look like that guy sticks around till

1039
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:04.320
<v Speaker 2>right before they go in. He fucking THEYDN got him

1040
01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:06.519
<v Speaker 2>out of there like twenty something days into it.

1041
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:08.039
<v Speaker 8>Are you serious?

1042
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:08.320
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

1043
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:10.719
<v Speaker 2>I think for like dramatic effect in the show, his

1044
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:13.039
<v Speaker 2>big outbursts was like right before they go in with

1045
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:17.159
<v Speaker 2>the tanks. But but it's.

1046
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:22.960
<v Speaker 8>Like you said, with Ruby Ridge, the ATF made the

1047
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:28.519
<v Speaker 8>Branch Davidian's prophecy come true. Yeah, they said the government's

1048
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:30.960
<v Speaker 8>gonna show up here with tanks and they're gonna kill

1049
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:31.360
<v Speaker 8>us all.

1050
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they didn't say it with tanks, but they

1051
01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:37.559
<v Speaker 2>did say, like, we're gonna be surrounded, and this is

1052
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:41.440
<v Speaker 2>the fifth Seal because Koresh the reason he got all

1053
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.320
<v Speaker 2>this attention is because he memorized the entire Bible, and

1054
01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:47.960
<v Speaker 2>he deciphered the Seventh Seals or the Seventh Seals in

1055
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:51.360
<v Speaker 2>ways that biblical scholars wanted to prove him wrong. And

1056
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:54.239
<v Speaker 2>then they fucking end up like uprooting their lives and

1057
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.719
<v Speaker 2>moving on to the compound because they were so enamored

1058
01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.360
<v Speaker 2>by his ability to decipher the Bible.

1059
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.199
<v Speaker 8>So do you like, going back to what I said

1060
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:05.639
<v Speaker 8>at the beginning of this episode, I find a weird

1061
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:10.800
<v Speaker 8>spirituality thing with both of these cases, both with Weaver

1062
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:17.440
<v Speaker 8>and with Waco, Like their prophecies actually fucking came true. Well,

1063
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:20.039
<v Speaker 8>you think it's self fulfilling prophecy or do you think

1064
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:21.400
<v Speaker 8>there's something else going on?

1065
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like I said, it's a spiritual dance. And

1066
01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:30.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that when you have two opposing forces just

1067
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:32.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of like floating around each other, they're gonna bump

1068
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:35.079
<v Speaker 2>into each other every once in a while. And for

1069
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:38.400
<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, the United States government has proven time and

1070
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:40.480
<v Speaker 2>time again, that they will be the one to fucking

1071
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:43.360
<v Speaker 2>initiate it, like they know you're out there and they're

1072
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:44.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna fucking challenge you.

1073
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:47.920
<v Speaker 8>But so it's like David wasn't wrong.

1074
01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 1>No.

1075
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:51.639
<v Speaker 2>I even said on an episode of Disinformation, like what

1076
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:53.239
<v Speaker 2>if Koresh was Jesus?

1077
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:56.920
<v Speaker 8>Like I know he never said mistake, Like.

1078
01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:59.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying I think Koresh was Jesus, But imagine

1079
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Jesus comes back. You think we're not just gonna kill

1080
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:04.679
<v Speaker 2>him again. I think we would. And I don't mean we,

1081
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:06.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean the powers that be would.

1082
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:08.840
<v Speaker 8>The Powers that be definitely would.

1083
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:11.159
<v Speaker 2>So I mean they did say that, you know I'm

1084
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:11.960
<v Speaker 2>paraphrasing them.

1085
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:14.280
<v Speaker 8>He said it was a Messiah. He didn't say it

1086
01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:14.960
<v Speaker 8>was Jesus.

1087
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:18.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he even explained the difference. He tried to

1088
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:22.719
<v Speaker 2>like downplay like I'm the second Coming. He called himself

1089
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:26.079
<v Speaker 2>the Lamb of God. He called himself a Messiah. But

1090
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:31.599
<v Speaker 2>the translation apparently of Messiah isn't like Jesus. There's messiahs.

1091
01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:37.320
<v Speaker 2>It's not all the Christ. But anyway, uh, I agree

1092
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:40.000
<v Speaker 2>with you entirely. Like these guys have it in their

1093
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:43.280
<v Speaker 2>heads that they're going to be surrounded by Babylon and

1094
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:45.679
<v Speaker 2>going to be fired upon, And then that just comes

1095
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:49.920
<v Speaker 2>true because on both fucking issues, if you'll look, the

1096
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:54.159
<v Speaker 2>similarities are just crazy. They're both fucking permitting errors for

1097
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.639
<v Speaker 2>gun things. And it wasn't a permitting error with Ruby Ridge.

1098
01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:00.960
<v Speaker 2>It was a goddamn one oh one case of entrapment.

1099
01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Like they couldn't have tried any harder to make this

1100
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:07.679
<v Speaker 2>guy break the fucking law, and they all but forced it.

1101
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they knew he was vulnerable, they knew he

1102
01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:12.599
<v Speaker 2>needed cash, he knew it was stupid.

1103
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:16.199
<v Speaker 8>But didn't they send even an undercover agent into Waco

1104
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:18.199
<v Speaker 8>to try to get David on some shit and they

1105
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:19.480
<v Speaker 8>couldn't even get him on that.

1106
01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:24.039
<v Speaker 2>They sent an ATF agent undercover inside and like the

1107
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:26.880
<v Speaker 2>second or third time he was there, he showed them

1108
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.840
<v Speaker 2>a gun with a modified trigger, and Koresh handed it

1109
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:33.440
<v Speaker 2>back to him and said that's illegal. Don't ever bring

1110
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:35.360
<v Speaker 2>something like that in here again. And they were thinking

1111
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Koresh would be like, oh cool, let me show you

1112
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:39.840
<v Speaker 2>all my illegal guns, and that.

1113
01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:42.079
<v Speaker 8>Just goes to show you how fuckingum they.

1114
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:44.559
<v Speaker 2>And Koresh, you know, wasn't in a vulnerable state where

1115
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:49.039
<v Speaker 2>he slid into the trap. But that same agent even

1116
01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:52.039
<v Speaker 2>told the ATF that they had been tipped off by

1117
01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:54.039
<v Speaker 2>this guy that was on a mail route. He was

1118
01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:56.599
<v Speaker 2>a mailman and he had a fucking dad or a

1119
01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:58.559
<v Speaker 2>son or somebody in the compound, and he went and

1120
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:02.639
<v Speaker 2>tipped him off. That undercover agent told the FBI and

1121
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:05.760
<v Speaker 2>the ATF don't fucking go in there. They know you're coming.

1122
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:07.840
<v Speaker 2>He met him in the driveway in the show. I

1123
01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:09.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that was you know historically.

1124
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:12.360
<v Speaker 8>Actually there was a there was a video where David

1125
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:15.079
<v Speaker 8>poked his head out and was like, don't shoot, don't shoot,

1126
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:18.239
<v Speaker 8>let's talk about this, and they fucking open fired on him.

1127
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:21.440
<v Speaker 2>He said there's women and children in here, don't fire.

1128
01:06:21.880 --> 01:06:25.360
<v Speaker 8>And they were like, oh, what'd you say, literally shot him.

1129
01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:28.199
<v Speaker 2>They shot the dog, and then somebody from one of

1130
01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:31.440
<v Speaker 2>the windows. Here's gunshots coming from the ATF, and they

1131
01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:34.400
<v Speaker 2>shoot back and then they fire a shot. It's kind

1132
01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:38.000
<v Speaker 2>of weird too, how Randy gets clipped in the shoulder

1133
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:42.079
<v Speaker 2>and it was his daughter was treating his gun wound,

1134
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:46.440
<v Speaker 2>and you know, her mom's face was obliterated. But the

1135
01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Harris guy, he had a fucking massive like just

1136
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:53.840
<v Speaker 2>the it wasn't. It didn't go clean through and he

1137
01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:59.000
<v Speaker 2>had the shrapnel. But both Koresh and Weaver were shot

1138
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:04.320
<v Speaker 2>and survived. And I mean it's weird because Koresh was

1139
01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:05.800
<v Speaker 2>in pretty bad shape for a while.

1140
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:07.320
<v Speaker 8>He got shot in the stomach.

1141
01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:09.559
<v Speaker 2>He was convinced he was dying, and he got like

1142
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:11.719
<v Speaker 2>a voice message out to his mom at one point

1143
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:14.559
<v Speaker 2>saying he thought he was dying, but he miraculously rose.

1144
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.400
<v Speaker 2>And you think the fucker's in there, aren't, Like, maybe

1145
01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:18.199
<v Speaker 2>he's Jesus.

1146
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.800
<v Speaker 8>That's I mean, theyde literally.

1147
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Even though he likes fucking my wife and rub it

1148
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:26.840
<v Speaker 2>into my face, he just might be the second Coming.

1149
01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:31.800
<v Speaker 8>It's like I said before, am I gonna go join

1150
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:35.800
<v Speaker 8>the branch Davidians now? But they weren't really doing anything

1151
01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:41.400
<v Speaker 8>that was absurdly outside of like Mormonism that everyone seems

1152
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:47.000
<v Speaker 8>to be fucking okay with. And they were like, didn't

1153
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:48.599
<v Speaker 8>he have like a band too?

1154
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was one of his other ways.

1155
01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:52.280
<v Speaker 8>Of like generating revenue.

1156
01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:53.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know if they got paid, but

1157
01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:55.960
<v Speaker 2>he had a band and they would go play shows.

1158
01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:58.920
<v Speaker 2>That's how he met David Thibodeau, one of the survivors

1159
01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:01.880
<v Speaker 2>of the siege, who actually, like is a really good

1160
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:04.679
<v Speaker 2>source if you want to hear the other side of

1161
01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:06.679
<v Speaker 2>the story. I think he was supposed to go on

1162
01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:09.519
<v Speaker 2>the White Rabbit podcast. I hope that still happens, because.

1163
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:14.719
<v Speaker 8>That is well, can I just they end up killing

1164
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:19.039
<v Speaker 8>all they end up at the end of this siege,

1165
01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:21.960
<v Speaker 8>they end up pretty much catching the whole bitch on fire,

1166
01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:25.720
<v Speaker 8>and they kill all the women and children, and David

1167
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:27.239
<v Speaker 8>kills himself, right.

1168
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.760
<v Speaker 2>You know that part of the show. I don't know

1169
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:33.000
<v Speaker 2>if the if they if they really did that, but

1170
01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:35.399
<v Speaker 2>I guess they probably wouldn't have just put that in there.

1171
01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:38.720
<v Speaker 2>See to me, I all my really deep dives went

1172
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:42.159
<v Speaker 2>into Ruby Ridge, the Waco stuff. I'm a little blurry

1173
01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:44.359
<v Speaker 2>on whether that part was true or not, but yeah,

1174
01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:45.600
<v Speaker 2>they'd make it look like.

1175
01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:48.960
<v Speaker 8>They just didn't want to burn up so they just

1176
01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:49.880
<v Speaker 8>killed themselves.

1177
01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:50.720
<v Speaker 2>And maybe they did.

1178
01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:56.800
<v Speaker 8>But okay, let's just both agree and say this. Do

1179
01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:02.000
<v Speaker 8>not watch the documentary on Netflix if you want accurate

1180
01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:08.039
<v Speaker 8>information about Wago, because I watched half an episode of

1181
01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:12.039
<v Speaker 8>the mini series on Netflix about Wago and I about

1182
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:16.880
<v Speaker 8>came up out of my skin. It glorifies the ATF agents.

1183
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:20.199
<v Speaker 8>They're all sitting around fucking crying and shit. And what

1184
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:23.319
<v Speaker 8>did I tell you? I said, the only thing you

1185
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:26.560
<v Speaker 8>need to do in an HBO or Netflix documentary to

1186
01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:29.359
<v Speaker 8>sell it to people is have some good background music

1187
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.680
<v Speaker 8>and some good video footage. And that's exactly the fuck

1188
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:37.840
<v Speaker 8>what they did. They played all these fucking sob stories

1189
01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:40.760
<v Speaker 8>from the ATF agents. They played a fucking sad song

1190
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:44.600
<v Speaker 8>in the background. What does it say? Look, he died

1191
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:49.920
<v Speaker 8>at thirty three? Oh my god, did it say he

1192
01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:50.840
<v Speaker 8>killed himself?

1193
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:53.520
<v Speaker 2>No, if you just go to the Wikipedia, it says

1194
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:57.319
<v Speaker 2>he died of a gunshot wound in unclear circumstances. The

1195
01:09:57.359 --> 01:09:58.560
<v Speaker 2>compound was a siege.

1196
01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:01.079
<v Speaker 8>He said, they'd know ever killed themselves.

1197
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:01.479
<v Speaker 7>I know.

1198
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:04.079
<v Speaker 8>Do you think they did that just to like to

1199
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:05.119
<v Speaker 8>sketch their names?

1200
01:10:05.119 --> 01:10:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Because, like I said, my brief that rabbit hole dive

1201
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:11.920
<v Speaker 2>into Waco was years ago. And in that show when

1202
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:14.880
<v Speaker 2>they he gets one of his followers to shoot him

1203
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:17.520
<v Speaker 2>in the head and then the guy shoots himself. I

1204
01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:20.399
<v Speaker 2>always thought that I would have remembered that, So I

1205
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:21.079
<v Speaker 2>don't think.

1206
01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:23.800
<v Speaker 8>So that was a fucking artistic liberty they took in

1207
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:27.000
<v Speaker 8>the show. He said, we'll never kill ourselves.

1208
01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, if your ass is on fire, you

1209
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:30.680
<v Speaker 2>might change your mind if you got a gun.

1210
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.079
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I know, But they lied about everything else. Why

1211
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:36.640
<v Speaker 8>not lie about that? What if he went down heroically

1212
01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:40.159
<v Speaker 8>in a blaze just to prove a point and they

1213
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:43.880
<v Speaker 8>fucking shamed him, like fucking how they did Marilyn Monroe

1214
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.560
<v Speaker 8>and said she killed herself and she was fucking on

1215
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:49.760
<v Speaker 8>pills and shit, and they took all of her clothes off. Well,

1216
01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:51.640
<v Speaker 8>and let's it's a humiliation.

1217
01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Rich. Take an opportunity here to just talk about what

1218
01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:58.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of guy David Koresh was, because I don't want

1219
01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to glorify him as much as I'm telling you that

1220
01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:03.800
<v Speaker 2>he didn't deserve to fucking get swarmed by the United

1221
01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:07.560
<v Speaker 2>States government and fired upon. I will also say he

1222
01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:10.439
<v Speaker 2>was doing some shady shit, in my opinion, nothing that

1223
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:15.000
<v Speaker 2>warranted this. But the guy was kind of a creep.

1224
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:16.279
<v Speaker 8>What was he doing?

1225
01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was marrying underage girls, like how underage,

1226
01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:25.319
<v Speaker 2>but underage to the point where if in Texas, by

1227
01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Texas law, the parents were all in there and did

1228
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:32.399
<v Speaker 2>give their consent and that was enough for legal standing.

1229
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:33.840
<v Speaker 8>So you think he was a creep?

1230
01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:35.760
<v Speaker 2>I do think he was a creep. I don't think

1231
01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:37.960
<v Speaker 2>that you can sit there and tell all your buddies

1232
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:40.600
<v Speaker 2>that I just got a message from God and he

1233
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:44.520
<v Speaker 2>wants me to bear the burden of intercourse. You guys

1234
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:46.000
<v Speaker 2>don't have to do it anymore, but I get to

1235
01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:48.840
<v Speaker 2>fuck all your wives. All the kids in there were his.

1236
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:54.640
<v Speaker 8>Kids said, I don't think it was at all normal

1237
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:56.720
<v Speaker 8>what they were doing, like I would just go sign

1238
01:11:56.840 --> 01:11:59.399
<v Speaker 8>up for I'm just saying that he wasn't doing anything

1239
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:02.199
<v Speaker 8>outside of what fucking Mormons do and get away with it.

1240
01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:03.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't they all.

1241
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:06.880
<v Speaker 8>Marry thirteen year olds too, and fucking nobody's sieging on them.

1242
01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:09.840
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not saying that. I don't think that. You know,

1243
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:11.600
<v Speaker 2>it's a little weird what I'm saying to you.

1244
01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:14.239
<v Speaker 8>He was probably a heat, but I'm just saying, if

1245
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:16.680
<v Speaker 8>you're gonna see John Waco, you need a seege on

1246
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:18.159
<v Speaker 8>every Mormon household.

1247
01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, he also had an I'm not you know, the

1248
01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:25.319
<v Speaker 2>whole underage girl things one thing, But he also had

1249
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:28.079
<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to end this, and his ego got the

1250
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:30.239
<v Speaker 2>better of him and he wanted to get the message

1251
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.399
<v Speaker 2>on tape. The FBI ended up just losing patience with him,

1252
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:36.760
<v Speaker 2>but they had negotiated a surrender, and rather than just

1253
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:39.720
<v Speaker 2>come out at that minute like everybody wanted, he said

1254
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:43.439
<v Speaker 2>he had to get his sermon fucking recorded and typed

1255
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:44.439
<v Speaker 2>out or whatever it was.

1256
01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:48.359
<v Speaker 8>That I will say, is just your typical ego to

1257
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:50.880
<v Speaker 8>say it is Once again, I can say all that.

1258
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.680
<v Speaker 2>At the same time, it does not fucking mean that

1259
01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:55.279
<v Speaker 2>you get to go in there and kill him because

1260
01:12:55.279 --> 01:12:57.159
<v Speaker 2>he's not doing what you tell him to do. But

1261
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:01.640
<v Speaker 2>if he really cared about his kids and maybe his

1262
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:04.479
<v Speaker 2>religious beliefs were like, fuck, we're better off, you know,

1263
01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:06.880
<v Speaker 2>if they do just fucking kill us, who knows what

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01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:08.199
<v Speaker 2>was going through this guy's head.

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01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:11.600
<v Speaker 8>You also have to think about fifty one days into this,

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01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:13.960
<v Speaker 8>he's nobody in there's thinking clearly.

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01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:17.319
<v Speaker 2>They're all dehydrated, delirias, all delirious, fucking bleeding from a

1268
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:21.680
<v Speaker 2>gunshot wound. Yeah, and he keeps saying, like, you guys

1269
01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:25.039
<v Speaker 2>keep lying, Why do I believe that we're gonna come out?

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01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:27.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the first thing they did was start arresting

1271
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:29.720
<v Speaker 2>everybody and separating them from their kids. When they were

1272
01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:34.119
<v Speaker 2>letting like a trickle of them out. So I you know,

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01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:36.560
<v Speaker 2>who's to say I wouldn't have done exactly what he

1274
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:40.399
<v Speaker 2>did in that situation, but had he been selfless and

1275
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:44.760
<v Speaker 2>put everybody in there above himself, especially those kids, they

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01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:45.760
<v Speaker 2>would be alive today.

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<v Speaker 8>And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why you do not

1278
01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:55.359
<v Speaker 8>join cults. How does this lead into the Okac bombing though.

1279
01:13:55.760 --> 01:14:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Because after this, the FBI and the ATF like, look,

1280
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:04.079
<v Speaker 2>they made themselves look really good in the eyes of

1281
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:07.840
<v Speaker 2>this fucking public trial they had, they fucking prosecute the

1282
01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:14.359
<v Speaker 2>surviving adults of Waco, and they end up successfully prosecuting them.

1283
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:17.600
<v Speaker 2>And then you get to they go to jail.

1284
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:19.880
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, Thibodeau goes to jail.

1285
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.119
<v Speaker 2>No Thibodeau, So maybe he was I don't think so.

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01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:27.640
<v Speaker 8>Why does Thibodeau get off? You know, I saw pictures

1287
01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:30.399
<v Speaker 8>of the real Thibodeaux, and he was a good looking

1288
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:33.640
<v Speaker 8>guy when he was in the cult. Here's a list

1289
01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:35.880
<v Speaker 8>of the ones that were prosecuted.

1290
01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're convicted of firearms charges and murder.

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01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:47.119
<v Speaker 8>So they serve time. Yeah, eight cult members serve time.

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01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:51.720
<v Speaker 8>Oh my god, it's this. They were prosecuted for various crimes,

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01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:54.399
<v Speaker 8>including murder and conspiracy.

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01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:58.800
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, the story just gets more bleak the

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01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:04.039
<v Speaker 2>more it goes. But so you asked how this ties

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01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:10.960
<v Speaker 2>into the OKC bombing, Well, the fall guy McVeigh. The

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01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:15.640
<v Speaker 2>official narrative is that he did this in memory of

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01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Ruby Ridge and Waco, and in fact, he did it

1299
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:21.680
<v Speaker 2>on the two year anniversary of the siege at Waco ending.

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01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:24.640
<v Speaker 8>He did it on the two year anniversary of the

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01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:26.920
<v Speaker 8>siege of Waco.

1302
01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:29.399
<v Speaker 2>Ending the day that they went in and killed everybody,

1303
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and that was April nineteenth of ninety three.

1304
01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:39.520
<v Speaker 8>But that's like the mainstream, yeah, But also so under

1305
01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:42.880
<v Speaker 8>the like on the other side of the curtain, you

1306
01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:48.840
<v Speaker 8>have the FBI really fucking arming up harder than ever

1307
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:52.560
<v Speaker 8>on militia groups after Waco because they drug this thing

1308
01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:53.239
<v Speaker 8>through the courts.

1309
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:55.560
<v Speaker 2>They made these survivors look like they were guilty of

1310
01:15:55.720 --> 01:16:00.600
<v Speaker 2>murder and stockpiling weapons. And there was all of this

1311
01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:04.840
<v Speaker 2>fucking white militia activity going on, like like white nationalist stuff,

1312
01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:08.840
<v Speaker 2>And there was this place called Eloheim City and it

1313
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:12.319
<v Speaker 2>was infiltrated heavily by the FBI. Now this is where

1314
01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:17.560
<v Speaker 2>McVeigh comes into it. So the mainstream story is is

1315
01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:20.399
<v Speaker 2>this guy is this he's just like this kind of

1316
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:23.279
<v Speaker 2>one of big army grunt guy his whole life, and

1317
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:26.640
<v Speaker 2>then he yeah, and then he has these high aspirations

1318
01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:28.600
<v Speaker 2>of becoming a Green Beret. You know, he wanted to

1319
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.199
<v Speaker 2>be in their army since he was a little kid.

1320
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:32.840
<v Speaker 2>As he gets older, he's like, God, I could be

1321
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:36.800
<v Speaker 2>like Roundbo. So he enters the program, and the official

1322
01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:40.800
<v Speaker 2>narrative is that he fucking you know, passed the first test.

1323
01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:45.720
<v Speaker 2>And then he goes in there and he hikes and

1324
01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:48.600
<v Speaker 2>gets all these blisters on his feet and gives up

1325
01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and he fucking drops out and says it, says it's

1326
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:54.039
<v Speaker 2>the biggest shame of his life. He can't cut it.

1327
01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And then he leaves that and you know, leaves the

1328
01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:03.920
<v Speaker 2>military and becomes this disgruntled, fucking guy who wants to

1329
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:09.239
<v Speaker 2>bring it all down, and he gets radicalized and he

1330
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:11.920
<v Speaker 2>falls into this white national shit a while, like the

1331
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:14.640
<v Speaker 2>ruby rich shit that they're trying to spend. And so

1332
01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:17.760
<v Speaker 2>he ends up at this place that I mentioned, Eloheim City,

1333
01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:22.159
<v Speaker 2>and he meets this other guy, Terry Nichols. Fuck is

1334
01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:26.600
<v Speaker 2>that his name sounds right? And they planned this thing

1335
01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and it's just all set up to look like McVeigh

1336
01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:37.279
<v Speaker 2>acted alone but had a sidekick. That kind of I

1337
01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:40.279
<v Speaker 2>think he ended up getting multiple life sentences. Of course,

1338
01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:43.760
<v Speaker 2>McVeigh was executed, but when you start looking at this

1339
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:47.479
<v Speaker 2>from a conspiratorial angle, it gets way more fucking interesting

1340
01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:52.720
<v Speaker 2>because apparently mcveigh's story is that he fucking excelled so

1341
01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:56.039
<v Speaker 2>much at the Green Beret program that they pulled him

1342
01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:58.199
<v Speaker 2>and like four or five other guys might have been

1343
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:01.359
<v Speaker 2>as many as ten. They excelled to the point where

1344
01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:03.199
<v Speaker 2>they were like, you guys are going to be a

1345
01:18:03.199 --> 01:18:07.439
<v Speaker 2>special unit. You were going to fake a discharge from

1346
01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:12.560
<v Speaker 2>the army and you will be used for assassinations, covert

1347
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:16.720
<v Speaker 2>ops and all this shit. Now he's been up until

1348
01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the day is well.

1349
01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:19.840
<v Speaker 8>That makes way fucking more since.

1350
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, so if you want to really get into this,

1351
01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:28.159
<v Speaker 2>I recommend what's his name, James Corbett. You guys, you

1352
01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:32.520
<v Speaker 2>know James Corbett is. He's this Canadian guy who moved

1353
01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:35.079
<v Speaker 2>over to Japan to teach English and now he's like

1354
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:38.840
<v Speaker 2>this fucking huge conspiracy guy. He has a YouTube channel

1355
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:42.520
<v Speaker 2>that's like fifteen years old, but he makes great documentaries.

1356
01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:47.359
<v Speaker 2>He does weekly podcasts, and he did a fifty seven

1357
01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:50.520
<v Speaker 2>minute you know, it's under an hour, and it's all

1358
01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:55.479
<v Speaker 2>about this other narrative of Timothy McVay, And there is

1359
01:18:55.680 --> 01:19:00.399
<v Speaker 2>physical fucking documentation that like really heavily suggests that McVeigh

1360
01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:01.319
<v Speaker 2>was telling the truth.

1361
01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:02.640
<v Speaker 8>Of course he was.

1362
01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:06.960
<v Speaker 2>And there's this John Doe two that kept popping up

1363
01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:10.000
<v Speaker 2>in the news right after the rider truck exploded. And

1364
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:14.119
<v Speaker 2>then security footage shows this guy that wasn't Terry Nichols.

1365
01:19:14.600 --> 01:19:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Fuck McVeigh parks the rider truck in front of the building,

1366
01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:20.640
<v Speaker 2>gets out, walks away, This guy in the passenger who

1367
01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:24.640
<v Speaker 2>isn't Terry Nichols passenger side, he gets out, goes out,

1368
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:28.159
<v Speaker 2>gets in the back with the bomb, gets out, walks away,

1369
01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:31.199
<v Speaker 2>comes back again, and then leaves and as soon as

1370
01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:32.319
<v Speaker 2>he does, it blows up.

1371
01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:34.159
<v Speaker 8>Oh for fox sake.

1372
01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Now, in the meantime, Timmy the McVeigh, his getaway car

1373
01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:42.039
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have fucking license plates. He gets maybe two miles

1374
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:45.159
<v Speaker 2>away from it from the incident and gets pulled over

1375
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:48.960
<v Speaker 2>right away. And at this point we have like a

1376
01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:51.520
<v Speaker 2>basic Lee Hervey Oswald thing.

1377
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:53.119
<v Speaker 8>So he's a patsy.

1378
01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:55.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was a patsy. He was on a mission

1379
01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:59.520
<v Speaker 2>and probably didn't know the extent of his like final destination.

1380
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:03.000
<v Speaker 8>Oh my god.

1381
01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:06.079
<v Speaker 2>So I mean there's a lot of details in that

1382
01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:08.760
<v Speaker 2>are missing, but that's basically like and you.

1383
01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:13.920
<v Speaker 8>Know, I've went and I've walked the Oklahoma City bombing memorial,

1384
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:17.560
<v Speaker 8>and just like with nine to eleven and a lot

1385
01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:24.039
<v Speaker 8>of these memorial sites, there's a reflection pool and there

1386
01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:28.079
<v Speaker 8>is the exact time when the bomb went off, and

1387
01:20:28.119 --> 01:20:32.159
<v Speaker 8>it's all lit up in white marble, and it's just

1388
01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:37.960
<v Speaker 8>really ritualistic looking. They have a chair to represent every

1389
01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:41.680
<v Speaker 8>like a big chair to represent every dead adult, and

1390
01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:45.279
<v Speaker 8>then they have these little tiny chairs to represent every

1391
01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:48.640
<v Speaker 8>dead child, and it's just I don't know.

1392
01:20:49.239 --> 01:20:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Well and think about it like this.

1393
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:54.840
<v Speaker 8>Oh, and they have a marble statue of Jesus turning

1394
01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:59.319
<v Speaker 8>his back away from the bombing site in like crying

1395
01:20:59.439 --> 01:21:00.359
<v Speaker 8>in shape.

1396
01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:07.479
<v Speaker 2>David Koresh, I guess. So. One thing I always kind

1397
01:21:07.479 --> 01:21:15.920
<v Speaker 2>of wonder is if McVeigh was inspired by the Ruby

1398
01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:20.479
<v Speaker 2>Rich standoff and Waco where he's disgusted the innocent kids

1399
01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:23.119
<v Speaker 2>were killed. Why the fuck would he go blow up

1400
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:25.159
<v Speaker 2>something right next to a daycare? Daycare?

1401
01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:30.720
<v Speaker 8>So the daycare was inside the building. Yeah, that makes

1402
01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:33.560
<v Speaker 8>a ton of sense, Right, I'm so sad about these

1403
01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:35.960
<v Speaker 8>kids dying that I'm gonna go blow some.

1404
01:21:36.039 --> 01:21:39.479
<v Speaker 2>Up and if you start looking into like the real

1405
01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:42.239
<v Speaker 2>weeds on this, you get into all sorts of nine

1406
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:47.199
<v Speaker 2>to eleven type shit, like people claiming they saw undercover

1407
01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:53.520
<v Speaker 2>and military like marit militarily. Is that even an adjective?

1408
01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Dressed men putting shit like fucking Sea four stuff up

1409
01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:03.439
<v Speaker 2>under the pillars and shit like that. Yeah, witness testimony.

1410
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:03.840
<v Speaker 8>Building seven shit.

1411
01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:06.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just it just reeks of the same

1412
01:22:06.439 --> 01:22:09.199
<v Speaker 2>playbook over and over. Luckily we didn't find any you know,

1413
01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:14.960
<v Speaker 2>passports that survived oh boy fires, but uh, you get

1414
01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:16.239
<v Speaker 2>everything else pretty much.

1415
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:19.239
<v Speaker 8>I will say, go in and visiting the memorial and

1416
01:22:19.319 --> 01:22:23.039
<v Speaker 8>seeing that statue of Jesus with his back turn to it,

1417
01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:25.079
<v Speaker 8>is like, why would you even do that? Why would

1418
01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:27.840
<v Speaker 8>you even build a statue of Jesus with his back

1419
01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:30.600
<v Speaker 8>turned like he can't even look at it because it's

1420
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:35.760
<v Speaker 8>so awful, Like, Okay, that's who fucking who fucking decided

1421
01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:38.039
<v Speaker 8>to create that shit?

1422
01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Probably Tony Podesta, you know what I mean.

1423
01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:42.960
<v Speaker 8>It's like Jesus turned his back on it.

1424
01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:46.000
<v Speaker 2>That's a verse of the Bible that I did not read,

1425
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:50.399
<v Speaker 2>And Jesus gave the cold shoulder.

1426
01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:52.520
<v Speaker 8>To the bombing victims.

1427
01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Jesus turned his childer it.

1428
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:00.640
<v Speaker 8>But I guess is there anything else you wanted to

1429
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:02.479
<v Speaker 8>add before we take a short break?

1430
01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I mean go government, Yeah, Usa, Usa,

1431
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:18.119
<v Speaker 2>You guys, you're so fucking badass. I can't even handle it.

1432
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Keep doing what you do, boo.

1433
01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:26.600
<v Speaker 8>All right, with that being said, let's take a quick

1434
01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:29.760
<v Speaker 8>break and we will be back right after this.

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01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:41.000
<v Speaker 9>Hey everyone, it's Haila from the Unfiltered Rice podcast and

1436
01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:43.960
<v Speaker 9>I'm here to tell y'all a little about the nineties.

1437
01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:47.159
<v Speaker 9>Julia is doing a new series on this and she

1438
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:50.399
<v Speaker 9>asked me to drop a couple things about growing up

1439
01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:54.960
<v Speaker 9>at that time. Friends, since I am old, but it

1440
01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:57.479
<v Speaker 9>was it was a cool time to be around.

1441
01:23:57.560 --> 01:23:57.760
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1442
01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:01.680
<v Speaker 9>We had the meshing of the music world. The hairbands

1443
01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:03.840
<v Speaker 9>were going out, Nirvana.

1444
01:24:03.359 --> 01:24:04.039
<v Speaker 5>Was going in.

1445
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:08.039
<v Speaker 8>We had awesome rap songs. We also had some.

1446
01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:11.079
<v Speaker 9>Weird songs like you could not go anywhere without the

1447
01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:15.000
<v Speaker 9>damn Bodyguard song I Will Always Love You, And every

1448
01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:16.880
<v Speaker 9>time it came on it was just so cringey.

1449
01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:18.600
<v Speaker 2>And I know it's a pretty song, but I just.

1450
01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:21.560
<v Speaker 8>Don't do slow songs and it was really sappy.

1451
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:24.760
<v Speaker 9>So that was not fun. But hey, we got things

1452
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:28.079
<v Speaker 9>like the Offspring. We got things like Nirvana. We got

1453
01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:31.960
<v Speaker 9>Insane in the membrane and regulate us, so you know,

1454
01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:36.640
<v Speaker 9>we can't really complain there. We also had some awesome movies,

1455
01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:39.880
<v Speaker 9>you know, like a few good Men, the Matrix, like

1456
01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:42.840
<v Speaker 9>Complete Iconic and little did I know how much that

1457
01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:47.079
<v Speaker 9>would play into my future Dracula and I really liked

1458
01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:49.359
<v Speaker 9>the show called American Me. And probably a lot of

1459
01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:52.319
<v Speaker 9>people think that's weird because it doesn't really fit me,

1460
01:24:52.399 --> 01:24:57.800
<v Speaker 9>but hey, I could relate. Also, there was big, big

1461
01:24:57.840 --> 01:24:58.680
<v Speaker 9>things on TV.

1462
01:24:58.920 --> 01:24:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1463
01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:02.319
<v Speaker 9>We had the La Riots, we had Rodney King, we

1464
01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:07.399
<v Speaker 9>had OJ. Everywhere you went, like every single TV, in

1465
01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:11.079
<v Speaker 9>every restaurant, in every I don't know, everywhere you went,

1466
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:13.399
<v Speaker 9>it was OJ was on TV. So I was super

1467
01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:15.760
<v Speaker 9>glad when that one was over. To be honest, I

1468
01:25:15.800 --> 01:25:18.479
<v Speaker 9>find it fascinating now, but then I just wasn't about it.

1469
01:25:19.239 --> 01:25:21.119
<v Speaker 9>When you're trying to eat, you're going out to the

1470
01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:24.880
<v Speaker 9>training table, you know, it was awesome place to go.

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01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:27.119
<v Speaker 8>They need to bring you your fry sauce.

1472
01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:29.239
<v Speaker 9>If you're from Utah like I am, and if you

1473
01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:31.439
<v Speaker 9>guys are from Utah, you just laughed a little bit.

1474
01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:34.920
<v Speaker 9>I also loved Big Boys, JB's and that went out

1475
01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:37.920
<v Speaker 9>of business too, I means some of the old iconic

1476
01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:41.479
<v Speaker 9>things and Utah Noodle Company in Ogden. If you guys

1477
01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:44.800
<v Speaker 9>are from Utah, you probably know that place, and I

1478
01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:48.359
<v Speaker 9>had a lot of good memories there, so you know,

1479
01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:52.520
<v Speaker 9>these are just a few things that I thought were awesome.

1480
01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:55.119
<v Speaker 9>I also was really into country line dancing.

1481
01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:57.640
<v Speaker 2>For all of you that may not know.

1482
01:25:57.760 --> 01:25:59.840
<v Speaker 9>Even though I low key listened to rap on this

1483
01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:04.000
<v Speaker 9>side and kept out a secret, I was a huge cowgirl, like.

1484
01:26:04.159 --> 01:26:06.640
<v Speaker 5>Wore brush coppers every day to school.

1485
01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:08.960
<v Speaker 9>So yeah, that's yeah.

1486
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:10.479
<v Speaker 2>I had ropers in every color.

1487
01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:11.680
<v Speaker 5>It was all ridiculous.

1488
01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:13.520
<v Speaker 8>But glad that phase is over.

1489
01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:15.560
<v Speaker 9>But there's always going to be a little cowgirl in me.

1490
01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:20.079
<v Speaker 9>So anyways, that's a little about my nineties experience, and

1491
01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:23.199
<v Speaker 9>I hope this is a fun and awesome little blip

1492
01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:26.000
<v Speaker 9>about my life and grown up in the nineties. So

1493
01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:28.600
<v Speaker 9>catch me on the next one and see me at

1494
01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:32.680
<v Speaker 9>the Unfiltered Griys podcast all about more months, murder and Mayhem.

1495
01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:33.920
<v Speaker 9>You don't want to miss it?

1496
01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Are you having a rectile? This Moncton. Everybody who listens

1497
01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:43.039
<v Speaker 2>to conspiracy podcast needs Bonder pills.

1498
01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:50.119
<v Speaker 8>Red and we are back, and during the quick break,

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01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:53.520
<v Speaker 8>Colby and I decided that I've tried to jam so

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01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:58.439
<v Speaker 8>much information into this Part three that we're probably gonna

1501
01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:04.560
<v Speaker 8>have to go ahead and do a part four. But

1502
01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:10.439
<v Speaker 8>before we wrap things up, I do want Kolby to

1503
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:14.239
<v Speaker 8>talk about something that is actually integral to our love story.

1504
01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:18.479
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna go out with a bang, a shotgun bang

1505
01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:24.159
<v Speaker 2>to be specific. Don't laugh it is. That's the death

1506
01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:25.359
<v Speaker 2>of a generation.

1507
01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:27.479
<v Speaker 8>One of your heroes, right Kurt Cobain.

1508
01:27:27.960 --> 01:27:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Kurt Cobain was a great musician and probably an asshole,

1509
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:38.159
<v Speaker 2>but he didn't deserve what he got well.

1510
01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:40.600
<v Speaker 8>And the reason I say it's integral to our love

1511
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:43.680
<v Speaker 8>story is because it was one. It was the first

1512
01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:47.560
<v Speaker 8>episode that we did together apart from being in like

1513
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:51.319
<v Speaker 8>a group or like a swapcast, and we did an

1514
01:27:51.479 --> 01:27:56.159
<v Speaker 8>episode on Kurt and Courtney, and I was really not

1515
01:27:56.439 --> 01:28:00.399
<v Speaker 8>very familiar with all the conspiracy surrounding Kurt. I knew

1516
01:28:00.479 --> 01:28:05.560
<v Speaker 8>that it probably wasn't as the mainstream narrative would love

1517
01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:07.920
<v Speaker 8>us to believe that he had shot himself in the

1518
01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:13.119
<v Speaker 8>head with shotgun. But Colby does a great job of

1519
01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:16.560
<v Speaker 8>making it make more sense. So I'll let you take

1520
01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:22.319
<v Speaker 8>the reins, give us the cliffs notes on Kurt and Courtney.

1521
01:28:22.359 --> 01:28:26.479
<v Speaker 2>Maybe, I mean, I could give a very condensed version

1522
01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:31.800
<v Speaker 2>without all the details, because I did freshen up on

1523
01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:35.199
<v Speaker 2>Ruby Ridge, and we've been kind of in the Waco

1524
01:28:35.359 --> 01:28:37.840
<v Speaker 2>thing for a while. I don't know that I've looked

1525
01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:40.880
<v Speaker 2>into Kobaan for a couple of years since we recorded it.

1526
01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:44.640
<v Speaker 2>But I mean the reason you and I wanted to

1527
01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>cover is because it was trying to be demonstrable on

1528
01:28:52.239 --> 01:28:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Courtney loved being a baitas sex kitten and kind of

1529
01:28:56.960 --> 01:29:00.600
<v Speaker 2>like holding the reins of Laurel Canyon too. Point zero.

1530
01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Going over, we go first with the post punk movement

1531
01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:11.640
<v Speaker 2>in Europe, where she spent some time handing out LSD

1532
01:29:11.840 --> 01:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>with CIA handlers and fucking members of Echo and the

1533
01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Bunnyman and the Pogues and probably leaving some people out.

1534
01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:19.479
<v Speaker 2>And then she comes.

1535
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:19.880
<v Speaker 9>Back to.

1536
01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:24.640
<v Speaker 2>The States, you know, and her like even a little

1537
01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:28.199
<v Speaker 2>more backstory. Her dad was the manager of the Warlocks

1538
01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:32.039
<v Speaker 2>who later became the Grateful Dead, likely a handler of

1539
01:29:32.119 --> 01:29:36.840
<v Speaker 2>sorts himself, and he is the daughter or the father

1540
01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>of probably one of the most I don't know. You

1541
01:29:41.079 --> 01:29:44.560
<v Speaker 2>talk about Marylyn a lot and I think my Marilynd

1542
01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:47.399
<v Speaker 2>has to be Courtney and her story is not even over.

1543
01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:50.119
<v Speaker 2>But you just look at this woman in the nineties,

1544
01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:55.359
<v Speaker 2>and she was everywhere, and she wreaked havoc wherever she went.

1545
01:29:56.119 --> 01:29:59.199
<v Speaker 2>And you know, whether it was part of the plan

1546
01:29:59.680 --> 01:30:03.600
<v Speaker 2>in her mission to infiltrate the grunge scene like she did,

1547
01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I got to think at least some of

1548
01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:10.520
<v Speaker 2>it was. But Nirvana was the vehicle that you know,

1549
01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>the Laurel Canyon esque puppeteers picked to kind of just

1550
01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:18.800
<v Speaker 2>take a broom and get rid of all the fucking

1551
01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:23.520
<v Speaker 2>gay ass hair metal that was dominating the scene. And

1552
01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, they were an underground band for a significant

1553
01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:30.399
<v Speaker 2>amount of time, and you can't take that from Nirvana,

1554
01:30:30.439 --> 01:30:34.439
<v Speaker 2>but they definitely were used to usher in the version

1555
01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:37.800
<v Speaker 2>of grunge that mainstream likes to talk about, because you

1556
01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:40.119
<v Speaker 2>can go back to the eighties in Seattle and there

1557
01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:43.159
<v Speaker 2>was a real big underground movement going on to the

1558
01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>point where it did get the attention of you know

1559
01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:49.039
<v Speaker 2>whoever is at the helm of all of this, to

1560
01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:54.439
<v Speaker 2>the point where Nirvana became this overnight sensation with their

1561
01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:58.680
<v Speaker 2>second album and Anybody Alive in the nineties remembers that

1562
01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:05.159
<v Speaker 2>because when you hear a Nirvana song, it just speaks

1563
01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>to everything that was going on in mainstream society. You

1564
01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:13.399
<v Speaker 2>had all this like self loathing, confusion, and it was

1565
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:17.439
<v Speaker 2>going from goth into this newer thing. Emo quite wasn't

1566
01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>a thing yet, but everybody started fucking dressing like they

1567
01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:26.800
<v Speaker 2>lived in the Pacific Northwest and flannel, you know, denim

1568
01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:30.439
<v Speaker 2>work bootsies. Yeah, like all of a sudden, all these

1569
01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:35.279
<v Speaker 2>industrial workers, they were in style. They've been dressing like

1570
01:31:35.319 --> 01:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>that their entire lives. And then they turn on MTV

1571
01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and they see these fucking guys with the guitars, dressed

1572
01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.720
<v Speaker 2>like they're getting ready to hop in a logging truck, right,

1573
01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:47.039
<v Speaker 2>And it really did usher in like the I'm so depressed,

1574
01:31:47.039 --> 01:31:49.279
<v Speaker 2>I just want to do heroin and kill myself and

1575
01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:53.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, fuck Nirvana. It just sucks that that's kind

1576
01:31:53.119 --> 01:31:56.600
<v Speaker 2>of like the epitome of what they brought. But the

1577
01:31:56.680 --> 01:31:59.960
<v Speaker 2>music speaks for itself, and we always talk about separate

1578
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:03.159
<v Speaker 2>in the art from the artist. Yes, now, I don't

1579
01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:05.039
<v Speaker 2>know exactly what you want to get into with like

1580
01:32:05.119 --> 01:32:06.039
<v Speaker 2>his death.

1581
01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:09.159
<v Speaker 8>But well it wasn't the first time she tried to

1582
01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:13.560
<v Speaker 8>kill him, because he went somewhere on a trip, right,

1583
01:32:13.640 --> 01:32:16.960
<v Speaker 8>and he was roofied. They said he was going to

1584
01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:18.399
<v Speaker 8>roofie himself to death.

1585
01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was in Rome. And this was very likely

1586
01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:29.640
<v Speaker 2>the first attempt at taking Kurt's life, and he survived

1587
01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:31.840
<v Speaker 2>by all accounts.

1588
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:34.800
<v Speaker 8>Did you want to die like that? Yeah, I mean, like,

1589
01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:36.840
<v Speaker 8>who's roofying themselves to death?

1590
01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:38.439
<v Speaker 2>Well, And that's the other thing is, if you want

1591
01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:42.119
<v Speaker 2>to just backtrack a little bit, Kurt had like really

1592
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:46.359
<v Speaker 2>bad stomach problems and he ended up getting addicted to

1593
01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Heroin after he met Courtney, and he ended up quitting

1594
01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Heroin before they were, you know, going through their big

1595
01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:56.600
<v Speaker 2>thing where he was trying to divorce her before the

1596
01:32:56.720 --> 01:33:00.680
<v Speaker 2>second attempt was successful. But in this first one, she

1597
01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:06.079
<v Speaker 2>was there the whole time, and she ended up like

1598
01:33:07.239 --> 01:33:09.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of staging this thing where she expected him to

1599
01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:11.399
<v Speaker 2>die and she was going to be by his side.

1600
01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>But he pulled through, and by many accounts, he was

1601
01:33:14.920 --> 01:33:16.920
<v Speaker 2>never the same after that. He had some kind of

1602
01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:22.760
<v Speaker 2>oxygen deprivation side effects, and he also entered like the

1603
01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:25.279
<v Speaker 2>most peaceful and happy stage of his life after that,

1604
01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:27.920
<v Speaker 2>and he was trying to get away from her. And

1605
01:33:28.079 --> 01:33:33.159
<v Speaker 2>if you guys want like a big detailed presentation of this.

1606
01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:37.520
<v Speaker 2>The episode that I was on with Cosmic Patch here

1607
01:33:38.520 --> 01:33:40.199
<v Speaker 2>was what how many years ago, like a year and

1608
01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:40.760
<v Speaker 2>a half ago.

1609
01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:43.680
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I don't know, I don't remember, maybe two years ago.

1610
01:33:44.079 --> 01:33:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was kind of a swapcast. It was called

1611
01:33:47.159 --> 01:33:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we lay out all of the details on

1612
01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>all of this and how it led to his death,

1613
01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and that.

1614
01:33:53.880 --> 01:33:57.000
<v Speaker 8>I think I called it Kurt and Courtney smells like homicide.

1615
01:33:58.600 --> 01:34:03.199
<v Speaker 2>I called mine loves the four letter, And it's just

1616
01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:09.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I think many people out there who

1617
01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:13.239
<v Speaker 2>lived through the nineties can't think of the nineties without

1618
01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Nirvana being there.

1619
01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:18.960
<v Speaker 8>Well, And so the suicide note we talk about in

1620
01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:23.239
<v Speaker 8>that show because it sounded more like, uh, I'm breaking

1621
01:34:23.319 --> 01:34:27.760
<v Speaker 8>up with Nirvana better than a suicide letter. And it

1622
01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:32.119
<v Speaker 8>seemed to us by reading it that fucking Courtney either

1623
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:37.039
<v Speaker 8>wrote the end half of it, or she wrote like

1624
01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:38.399
<v Speaker 8>she wrote some of it.

1625
01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:42.880
<v Speaker 2>She wrote probably the beginning of it and the very

1626
01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:43.600
<v Speaker 2>end of it.

1627
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:46.159
<v Speaker 8>Like she found something in his notebook where he was

1628
01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:48.800
<v Speaker 8>talking about breaking up with Nirvana, and she kind of

1629
01:34:48.840 --> 01:34:51.600
<v Speaker 8>like added a top in a bottom and made it

1630
01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:52.479
<v Speaker 8>a suicide note.

1631
01:34:52.760 --> 01:34:54.800
<v Speaker 2>And she had the big spectacle of reading it on

1632
01:34:54.920 --> 01:34:58.920
<v Speaker 2>TV and crying. It's kind of like those fucking atf

1633
01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:02.600
<v Speaker 2>agents and the Waco Netflix documentary.

1634
01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:05.520
<v Speaker 8>If you if you look at the at the crime

1635
01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:09.079
<v Speaker 8>scene itself, he had shoes on, right, but in order

1636
01:35:09.119 --> 01:35:10.560
<v Speaker 8>to do what he did, he would have had to

1637
01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:12.239
<v Speaker 8>pull the trigger with his toe.

1638
01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he had so much Heroin in his system.

1639
01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:19.199
<v Speaker 8>That nobody's thinking that shit through.

1640
01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, you're shitting there, od and to death and you're like,

1641
01:35:22.239 --> 01:35:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I should probably just finish the job with.

1642
01:35:23.760 --> 01:35:26.840
<v Speaker 8>The shotgun, but then and then also put my.

1643
01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Shoe back on, right.

1644
01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:32.479
<v Speaker 8>I mean, there's like I said that all the tires

1645
01:35:32.479 --> 01:35:33.840
<v Speaker 8>were slashed on his car.

1646
01:35:34.279 --> 01:35:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, there was so much. I mean, like I said

1647
01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:37.920
<v Speaker 2>in your an episode.

1648
01:35:37.359 --> 01:35:41.600
<v Speaker 8>Splash my own tires, take my shoe off, od on heroin,

1649
01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:44.479
<v Speaker 8>shoot myself in the face with the shotgun, then put

1650
01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:47.039
<v Speaker 8>my shoe back on before I succumb to the big

1651
01:35:47.079 --> 01:35:48.239
<v Speaker 8>bullet wound in my head.

1652
01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:51.720
<v Speaker 2>And there's all these people that were kind of you

1653
01:35:51.760 --> 01:35:53.960
<v Speaker 2>know in the orbit of Curtain Courtney at the end,

1654
01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:57.279
<v Speaker 2>that were very unsavory people, many of them there when

1655
01:35:57.319 --> 01:36:00.680
<v Speaker 2>it happened. The guy that did it that I think

1656
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:02.680
<v Speaker 2>did it. Fuck, I don't even remember his name now,

1657
01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:05.520
<v Speaker 2>but he was kind of always a presence with Courtney

1658
01:36:05.560 --> 01:36:09.039
<v Speaker 2>and Kurt, and she had a lot of people that

1659
01:36:09.119 --> 01:36:12.479
<v Speaker 2>she kind of controlled. And you know, you can go

1660
01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:16.079
<v Speaker 2>down rabbit holes on Kristin Path, the bass player of

1661
01:36:16.199 --> 01:36:20.760
<v Speaker 2>her band hole who pretty much it's evident at this

1662
01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:26.800
<v Speaker 2>point that Curtin Kristen had a plan to like work

1663
01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:29.079
<v Speaker 2>musically together. But if you look a little deeper, it

1664
01:36:29.079 --> 01:36:32.479
<v Speaker 2>looks like they may have had a little romance and

1665
01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:36.119
<v Speaker 2>she was taking out what less than Tuma or fuck,

1666
01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:36.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember.

1667
01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:39.359
<v Speaker 8>It might have been well she fucking turned up dead too.

1668
01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what she was getting ready to move out of La. Well.

1669
01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:47.920
<v Speaker 8>The thing is, Babe, is like anyone around Courtney seems

1670
01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:50.680
<v Speaker 8>to fucking have all these tragedies if they get in

1671
01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:51.079
<v Speaker 8>her way.

1672
01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:52.039
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

1673
01:36:52.720 --> 01:36:55.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean she had goons that were like current and

1674
01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:57.720
<v Speaker 2>ex police officers that she would pay to kick the

1675
01:36:57.720 --> 01:36:59.319
<v Speaker 2>shit out of people that pissed her off.

1676
01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:04.760
<v Speaker 8>I mean, I mean she's like literally the Scarlet Horre.

1677
01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1678
01:37:07.039 --> 01:37:12.000
<v Speaker 8>But I do want to in our next episode together,

1679
01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:16.920
<v Speaker 8>I want to touch on like maybe some John Benet stuff.

1680
01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:20.239
<v Speaker 8>I want to touch on some more Franklin scandal and

1681
01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:23.840
<v Speaker 8>McMartin stuff, because those were both big nineties things that

1682
01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:27.920
<v Speaker 8>I don't feel like get enough attention as being nineties things.

1683
01:37:28.079 --> 01:37:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that because mainly the Franklin stuff was eighties.

1684
01:37:31.479 --> 01:37:33.000
<v Speaker 8>Well, it trickled over in Ada.

1685
01:37:33.439 --> 01:37:35.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's definitely worth touching on, and we could

1686
01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:38.479
<v Speaker 2>even like give a little teaser about stuff we're going

1687
01:37:38.560 --> 01:37:44.560
<v Speaker 2>to do together. Regarding Hunter s Thompson, Oh, Hunter s Thompson, Yeah,

1688
01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:47.359
<v Speaker 2>well you get into the Franklin scandal, it's just yeah,

1689
01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:49.399
<v Speaker 2>it does spill over into the nineties even though it

1690
01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:50.279
<v Speaker 2>was an eighties thing.

1691
01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:54.239
<v Speaker 8>I also want to kind of get into Princess Die

1692
01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:57.560
<v Speaker 8>and Heaven's Gate Cult, which I have a lot of

1693
01:37:57.600 --> 01:37:59.840
<v Speaker 8>information I want to talk to you about with Heaven's

1694
01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:04.279
<v Speaker 8>eight But it's like you said when we were on

1695
01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:10.239
<v Speaker 8>the break, all of these topics are deserving of a

1696
01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:12.359
<v Speaker 8>certain amount of time, and I don't want to try

1697
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:16.359
<v Speaker 8>to cram too much stuff into this episode. But I

1698
01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:20.520
<v Speaker 8>know you loved Nirvana. I was kind of a fan.

1699
01:38:20.600 --> 01:38:22.199
<v Speaker 8>I was not as much as Colby.

1700
01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh I still. I mean, they're just any album you

1701
01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:30.800
<v Speaker 2>throw on. There's not a bad song, and it does

1702
01:38:30.960 --> 01:38:35.439
<v Speaker 2>suck that Cobaine seemed to be somebody who would have

1703
01:38:35.680 --> 01:38:39.680
<v Speaker 2>just remained relevant no matter what he did. And he

1704
01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:43.239
<v Speaker 2>just had a passion, and it's why he was used as,

1705
01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:46.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, the spearhead of the grunge movement and the

1706
01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:49.119
<v Speaker 2>tragedy that they chose to write, you know, he was

1707
01:38:49.159 --> 01:38:51.399
<v Speaker 2>a main character in it. I do think a lot

1708
01:38:51.479 --> 01:38:55.079
<v Speaker 2>of these people in Laurel Canyon were spared. I think

1709
01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Kerr Goobain definitely did die, you know, it's those things

1710
01:38:58.720 --> 01:38:59.880
<v Speaker 2>that I think was staged.

1711
01:39:00.319 --> 01:39:03.560
<v Speaker 8>I think he definitely did die too. And he's also

1712
01:39:03.720 --> 01:39:08.840
<v Speaker 8>mentioned in season one of American Horror Story with the

1713
01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:12.399
<v Speaker 8>Kid that it's like a call him Bye esque and

1714
01:39:12.479 --> 01:39:16.399
<v Speaker 8>he also mentions that his idol is Kurt Cobain and

1715
01:39:16.760 --> 01:39:19.960
<v Speaker 8>I don't know that season. It's like I always fucking say,

1716
01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:25.520
<v Speaker 8>I think we're living in a season of American Horror Story,

1717
01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:28.319
<v Speaker 8>probably the most interesting one because we're living like a

1718
01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:30.560
<v Speaker 8>combination of all the seasons put together.

1719
01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:36.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a big American Horror Story. Snowball just keeps rolling

1720
01:39:36.920 --> 01:39:38.159
<v Speaker 2>down the hill and getting bigger.

1721
01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:42.720
<v Speaker 8>Yeah. But so with that being said, we're gonna take

1722
01:39:43.439 --> 01:39:49.159
<v Speaker 8>the last break and we will be back next week

1723
01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:52.119
<v Speaker 8>with part four of the nineties Night. I hope to

1724
01:39:52.159 --> 01:39:57.039
<v Speaker 8>see you there. Thanks everyone for listening, and I'll catch

1725
01:39:57.079 --> 01:39:57.960
<v Speaker 8>you on the.

1726
01:39:57.840 --> 01:39:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Next one, Tata.

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01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:04.600
<v Speaker 12>So, since the audio recording just won't work for me

1728
01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:07.760
<v Speaker 12>this morning, I've decided to send a video, so let's

1729
01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:10.720
<v Speaker 12>go all right. So, as far as what I can remember,

1730
01:40:10.720 --> 01:40:13.960
<v Speaker 12>as far as in the nineties is concerned, the quintessidential

1731
01:40:14.119 --> 01:40:17.800
<v Speaker 12>soundtrack of the nineties was red Hot Chili Pepper scar

1732
01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:22.199
<v Speaker 12>Tissue and the entirety of the soundtrack from D two

1733
01:40:22.199 --> 01:40:24.880
<v Speaker 12>to the Mighty Ducks. I stand by that this was

1734
01:40:25.319 --> 01:40:28.159
<v Speaker 12>this was the only music that even resonated at all

1735
01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:31.640
<v Speaker 12>with me in the nineties, and as far as my

1736
01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:34.079
<v Speaker 12>fondest memories, and I know it's become a meme and

1737
01:40:34.119 --> 01:40:38.359
<v Speaker 12>it's become very you know, stereotypical, but the facts are

1738
01:40:38.399 --> 01:40:38.960
<v Speaker 12>the facts.

1739
01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:42.039
<v Speaker 4>Me and my boys staying over at one.

1740
01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:44.640
<v Speaker 12>Of my friend's houses, who you know, had a Nintendo

1741
01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:46.319
<v Speaker 12>sixty four. He was the only guy on the street

1742
01:40:46.359 --> 01:40:49.279
<v Speaker 12>that had won and he had just gotten the new game,

1743
01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:53.119
<v Speaker 12>Golden Eye, which was the first first person shooter ever,

1744
01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:57.079
<v Speaker 12>and we would stay up all night long just binging

1745
01:40:57.119 --> 01:41:01.079
<v Speaker 12>on Surgeon Dorito's and not the three D Doritos. Honestly,

1746
01:41:01.079 --> 01:41:05.000
<v Speaker 12>the regular Dorito's but still just gallons of surge and

1747
01:41:05.039 --> 01:41:07.960
<v Speaker 12>we would go ham on this Nintendo sixty.

1748
01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Four four hours.

1749
01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:12.760
<v Speaker 4>And I could also say as far as the.

1750
01:41:14.720 --> 01:41:18.479
<v Speaker 12>Least fond memories of the nineties was actually because of

1751
01:41:18.680 --> 01:41:19.600
<v Speaker 12>my upbringing.

1752
01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:24.199
<v Speaker 4>And I'll explain so, John Binney Ramsey.

1753
01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:27.760
<v Speaker 12>Got pretty big in the nineties, and my mother, being

1754
01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:32.680
<v Speaker 12>my mother, became the ultimate helicopter mom, and we thought

1755
01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:34.760
<v Speaker 12>that she was crazy for that. At the time, there

1756
01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:38.800
<v Speaker 12>was an arcade at the Mall Louisiana where they parents

1757
01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:40.720
<v Speaker 12>would dropped their kids off and they would go shop

1758
01:41:40.920 --> 01:41:42.560
<v Speaker 12>and then they would come back and the kids would have.

1759
01:41:42.520 --> 01:41:43.560
<v Speaker 4>A blast and it was all good.

1760
01:41:44.039 --> 01:41:47.840
<v Speaker 12>My mother was of the belief that that could not happen.

1761
01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:49.960
<v Speaker 12>She couldn't let us go to restrooms by ourselves at

1762
01:41:49.960 --> 01:41:52.600
<v Speaker 12>movie theaters, she couldn't let us do anything like that,

1763
01:41:52.680 --> 01:41:55.159
<v Speaker 12>because what if somebody's in there waiting for you.

1764
01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:59.119
<v Speaker 4>And we thought she was crazy. Hindsight twenty twenty. Mom

1765
01:41:59.239 --> 01:42:00.920
<v Speaker 4>knew what was up very early on.

1766
01:42:02.640 --> 01:42:06.079
<v Speaker 12>And I gotta say, though, I know that while everybody

1767
01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:08.960
<v Speaker 12>says that the nineties ended with Y two K, I

1768
01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:11.720
<v Speaker 12>respectfully disagree for me anyway, as far as the.

1769
01:42:14.079 --> 01:42:15.680
<v Speaker 4>Time frame of the nineties.

1770
01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:18.880
<v Speaker 12>It ended with me in February of two thousand and

1771
01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:21.199
<v Speaker 12>one when Dale Earnhardt Sr.

1772
01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:23.159
<v Speaker 4>Went into the wall.

1773
01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:25.680
<v Speaker 12>I was watching the race that day with my dad,

1774
01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:30.319
<v Speaker 12>and that was pretty much when I felt the innocence.

1775
01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:32.159
<v Speaker 4>And the old ways.

1776
01:42:32.119 --> 01:42:34.960
<v Speaker 12>Died with him that day when he swooped in to

1777
01:42:35.039 --> 01:42:37.239
<v Speaker 12>try to get out to get Jeff Gordon out of

1778
01:42:37.239 --> 01:42:39.560
<v Speaker 12>the way so Dale Junior could take the whim and

1779
01:42:39.640 --> 01:42:42.199
<v Speaker 12>instead hit the wall face first at two hundred miles

1780
01:42:42.199 --> 01:42:42.560
<v Speaker 12>an hour.

1781
01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:44.720
<v Speaker 4>That was it. That was it.

1782
01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:47.840
<v Speaker 12>A bit of my childhood died that day. And yeah,

1783
01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:51.520
<v Speaker 12>I will say the nineties overall was a good time,

1784
01:42:51.680 --> 01:42:54.920
<v Speaker 12>but had its wildness with it. And I also can

1785
01:42:54.960 --> 01:42:59.119
<v Speaker 12>remember fond memories of my parents with their cellular phones,

1786
01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:03.880
<v Speaker 12>not cell phones, cellulars, and they were They had Singular

1787
01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:07.760
<v Speaker 12>wireless and if anybody can remember, Singular wireless got bought

1788
01:43:07.800 --> 01:43:09.560
<v Speaker 12>out by AT and T and it was that little

1789
01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:13.279
<v Speaker 12>orange figure on it and whatever. But I remember thinking

1790
01:43:13.279 --> 01:43:15.680
<v Speaker 12>that this was the wildest thing because my parents would

1791
01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:19.199
<v Speaker 12>be sitting in the kitchen talking on their cell phone

1792
01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:21.640
<v Speaker 12>while we had a landline.

1793
01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:24.960
<v Speaker 4>Two feet away from them, and somehow that was deemed normal.

1794
01:43:25.039 --> 01:43:25.479
<v Speaker 4>Oh and a.

1795
01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:27.720
<v Speaker 12>Pager on their hips, so they had all of this

1796
01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:30.079
<v Speaker 12>going on, and it's not like they were like business

1797
01:43:30.159 --> 01:43:33.239
<v Speaker 12>types at all. I think this was their version of,

1798
01:43:33.640 --> 01:43:36.439
<v Speaker 12>like in the nineties, keeping up with the Joneses. But

1799
01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:38.560
<v Speaker 12>uh yeah, And I remember we had to get a

1800
01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:41.800
<v Speaker 12>secondary landline just so we could use the internet and

1801
01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:43.399
<v Speaker 12>the phone at the same time.

1802
01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>And we thought that was like hot shit.

1803
01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:47.119
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, the.

1804
01:43:47.119 --> 01:44:09.960
<v Speaker 12>Nineties were definitely an era unto themselves.

1805
01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:14.760
<v Speaker 1>And you will know my name is the law.

1806
01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:18.600
<v Speaker 10>But I lay my tender upon.

1807
01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:21.039
<v Speaker 8>As a.

1808
01:44:28.079 --> 01:44:30.279
<v Speaker 4>Welcome to Gudburger home out the Goodburger.

1809
01:44:30.359 --> 01:44:32.560
<v Speaker 5>Can't I take yards? You can take the manager.

1810
01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:34.399
<v Speaker 2>Sit right there, I'll tell you how it became.

1811
01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:35.960
<v Speaker 4>The prince of a town called bel Air.

1812
01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:39.880
<v Speaker 6>Cobain's body was found in a house in Seattle on

1813
01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:42.520
<v Speaker 6>Friday morning. He was dead of an apparently self inflicted

1814
01:44:42.520 --> 01:44:43.880
<v Speaker 6>shotgun blast to the head.

1815
01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:49.479
<v Speaker 3>We have reports from Paris the Dinah, Princess of Wales

1816
01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:51.439
<v Speaker 3>has been killed in a car accidents.

1817
01:44:56.319 --> 01:45:02.279
<v Speaker 5>Your body back, straights back, all right.