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<v Speaker 1>Weird way.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back Midnight viewers to what ordinarily would be a

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<v Speaker 2>Father Malone's weekly round up. Instead, well, I'm still Father Malone,

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<v Speaker 2>but this week on the show, we're switching it up

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<v Speaker 2>a little and crossing over. That's right. I was lucky

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<v Speaker 2>enough to be a guest on Paul Waller's incredible horror podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>A Year in Horror. There's going to be a link

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<v Speaker 2>in the notes. Go over there and experience the pure

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<v Speaker 2>joy of horror fandom that is personified in Paul Waller.

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<v Speaker 2>He has been on Midnight Viewing a few times in

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<v Speaker 2>the past. I'll put links to that as well. He

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<v Speaker 2>guested on our creep Show episode and again on our

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<v Speaker 2>Trick or Treat episode. That's the heavy metal eighties horror

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<v Speaker 2>movie trick or Treat, not the misguided anthology trick er Treat.

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<v Speaker 2>As his podcast name suggests, Paul covers a particular year

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<v Speaker 2>in horror. He is currently covering the year nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 2>and I dropped in to discuss Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, the

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<v Speaker 2>tale of an unhinged madman and his revolting creation. But

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<v Speaker 2>enough about Kenneth Branna anyway. What follows is our conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about Victor Frankenstein and his creation, which is timely given

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<v Speaker 2>that we're getting a full bells and Whistles reimagining next

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<v Speaker 2>month with Giermel del Toro's version of Frankenstein. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing what a fan of Bernie writes in that del

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<v Speaker 2>Toro is, I am positive that our creature is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be That writes an interpretation from his illustrated Frankenstein,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the one back from nineteen eighty three. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot link that below, but you should look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all etching and it's all gorgeous. Before I hand

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<v Speaker 2>you off to Paul, I wanted to mention a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of things during our conversation. I bring up the show

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<v Speaker 2>Penny Dreadful and its portrayal of Frankenstein's monster. The name

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<v Speaker 2>that I fumble around for is Rory Kanear. He's the

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<v Speaker 2>talented actor playing the monster. Most might know mister Kanear

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<v Speaker 2>from the recent Double seven films. He's m I six

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<v Speaker 2>agent Bill Tanner, and fans of Black Mirror will remember

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<v Speaker 2>him from the National Anthem episode you know, the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister and the Pig. He was the Prime Minister. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned while fumbling around for his name, that he's

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<v Speaker 2>the son of another actor. That's his dad, Roy Kannar,

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<v Speaker 2>who was a very funny and those sal Kinds produced

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<v Speaker 2>three Musketeer movies from the nineteen seventies, but just about

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<v Speaker 2>everyone on earth him as Henry Salt, father to Varuk

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<v Speaker 2>assault in Willy Wonka and the Chompet Factory. Another self correction.

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<v Speaker 2>We talk about the movie May and I mistakenly refer

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<v Speaker 2>to its lead actress as Angela Mattis. It's Angela Bettis

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<v Speaker 2>that popped into my head five minutes after we finished recording.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm glad I can bring it up here. Lastly,

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<v Speaker 2>October fourth and fifth, those dates are fast approaching, and

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<v Speaker 2>with it the Nightmare in Vegas Horror Convention, in car Show,

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<v Speaker 2>midnight viewing will have a presence there. I'll be on

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<v Speaker 2>display in my priest collar. What the fuck? Why not? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>The real question now is mustache or not? We'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me will be HP, host of Noise Junkies and

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<v Speaker 2>Night Mister Walter's podcast, as well as the Culture Cast

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Stashue and other guests and surprises and giveaways and

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<v Speaker 2>handouts and free hot dogs. That part is not true

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<v Speaker 2>get your own food. There will be sass on tap though.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sassy attitude. That'll be flowing free freedom public. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a service we provide. Tune in Friday Asbichfest continues. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got Aliens Versus Predator w Requiem, the first direct sequel

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<v Speaker 2>to any of the Predator adjacent films. HP joins me

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<v Speaker 2>as usual for all of our fests. Morana's Fest is

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<v Speaker 2>on the horizon. Everybody looking at all the filmed entertainment

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<v Speaker 2>released theatrically, I'm not watching nine hundred hours of SCTV

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<v Speaker 2>of mister Rick moranis that is in anticipation of his

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<v Speaker 2>return in space Balls two also this October. Wait, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess HP isn't on every fest. We are starting up

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<v Speaker 2>the Books of Blood Fest here at Midnight Viewing, examining

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<v Speaker 2>all the filmed adaptations based on Clive Barker's seminal horror anthologies,

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<v Speaker 2>The Books of Blood. We've got a rotating group of

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<v Speaker 2>horror heavy hitters joining me for that series, including mister

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Waller, Tell the people what you do?

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<v Speaker 3>Paul.

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<v Speaker 4>My nine is Paul Waller, not Weller. I'm a horror

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<v Speaker 4>movie addict. Due twenty twenty, the workload for my music

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<v Speaker 4>industry job explode right down, and the sign to I

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<v Speaker 4>discovered the movie social networking platform called Letterbox, so I

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<v Speaker 4>decided to fill in the gaps of my horror film knowledge.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still averaging two a day, and this podcast is

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<v Speaker 4>a result of that horror compulsion. This is a year

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<v Speaker 4>in horror.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what the most facts in your world is,

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<v Speaker 2>It's fair every year.

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<v Speaker 3>Fine, okay, nineteen ninety four, On the very release date

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<v Speaker 3>of this episode, I can take you back.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty nine years to that very year, ninety ninety four.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, welcome back, horror list lovers. We've returned. Last

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<v Speaker 4>month we covered the complete Wes Craven filmography pawn an

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<v Speaker 4>All and the top three horror films according to me

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<v Speaker 4>that he's directed were in reverse order. At number three,

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<v Speaker 4>Scream that is, of course, the one with the most

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<v Speaker 4>iconic opening scene of it ever film ever, I reckon

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<v Speaker 4>in my time that I've been alive. Number two was

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<v Speaker 4>an oldie, but a filthy goldie called The Last House

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<v Speaker 4>on the Left, and a number one hot shot was,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, Vampire in Brook, A Nightmare on Elm Street,

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<v Speaker 4>an incredible work of terror the birth of an eighties

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<v Speaker 2>For many, many a year.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was last month, done, dusted, devoured. And now

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<v Speaker 4>this month, well it's different because we are back at

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<v Speaker 4>looking at individual years and the horror movies that were

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<v Speaker 4>released therein And last month I pulled out the hat

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<v Speaker 4>nine teen ninety four, the year that Kurt Cobain died.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I think it's not really even in the general

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<v Speaker 4>conversation anymore, but the nineties has always had this bad

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<v Speaker 4>rap for being a stinker of a decade for horror,

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<v Speaker 4>but a really interesting one for music. And these days

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<v Speaker 4>it's pretty much deemed to be as good as any other.

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<v Speaker 4>But there was that long stretch where just people would

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<v Speaker 4>always give the nineties crap. No need because look, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to be the judge of this. It's my shows

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm here for. And when we get to the

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<v Speaker 4>end of all these years, I'll tally up these podcast

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<v Speaker 4>stats and I'll tell you. I'll tell you what was

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<v Speaker 4>the worst decade, And if it's the nineties, well then

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<v Speaker 4>I'll eate my foot. Now for this one, I watched

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four horror films altogether. Now that's hardly anything compared

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<v Speaker 4>to a normal yearly run.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>As for the world wide box office bums on seats,

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<v Speaker 4>well just check out this top three. At number three

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<v Speaker 4>was True Lies with Jamie Lee, Kurtis.

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<v Speaker 4>And then following that we have number two Tom Hanks

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<v Speaker 4>in Forrest Gump. Now that film is a marmite for everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people think it's one of the best films ever made.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people think it's total trash. All I'll

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<v Speaker 4>tell you is whenever I see it, I cry my

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<v Speaker 4>eyes out from beginning to end.

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<v Speaker 2>But the number one movie.

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<v Speaker 4>At the box office, would you believe it, narrowly beating

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<v Speaker 4>Forest Forest Gump, It was Disney's The Lion King. Was

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<v Speaker 4>there any horror in that top twenty though, Well there

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<v Speaker 4>were two things. Jack Nicholson was in The Wolf, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>of course he was. And then we have Tom Cruise

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<v Speaker 4>and Brad Pitt and Christian Slater making all the way

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<v Speaker 4>to the number ten position with Interview with the Vampire. Regardless,

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<v Speaker 4>I've been juggling my list around and let me tell

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<v Speaker 4>you my top eight is a very tight believe that,

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean, come on, it's pretty awful. Only eight

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<v Speaker 4>films that I could say hand on are essential. It

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<v Speaker 4>is a pretty slight year ninety four. But what else

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<v Speaker 4>was going on in ninety four? Well, musically, nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 4>as I've already said, was awesome. The very first couple

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<v Speaker 4>of pages of rat Your Music for what It's Worth

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<v Speaker 4>give you a very, very awesome overview of what is

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<v Speaker 4>out there. The ones I recommend and picked from it

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<v Speaker 4>were Portershaad, Dummy, weez Are, the Blue Album, Pavement, Crooked Rain,

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<v Speaker 4>Crooked Rain An albums so good they named it twice,

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<v Speaker 4>Sunny Day, Real Estate's Diary, The Beastly Boys, Ill Communication,

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<v Speaker 4>Built to Spill, There's nothing wrong with love Holes, live

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<v Speaker 4>through This, and of course shell Ac Action Park. But

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<v Speaker 4>what was the actual news. Well, here's three things that

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<v Speaker 4>AI told me happened in South Africa. Nelson Mandela became

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<v Speaker 4>the nation's very first black president after the end of apartheid.

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<v Speaker 4>Close to the home, the Channel Tunnel was finished and launched.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm going to dump both of these final things together.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that both pretty tragic? The very first episode of

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<v Speaker 4>Friends aired and the Rwandan genocide began, so pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Christ that was the times important and often shocking current events, sure,

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<v Speaker 4>but not nineteen seventy horror movie podcasting times, right, So

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<v Speaker 4>how do things work on the show. Well, for those

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<v Speaker 4>new to the show, here is a sick quick guide

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<v Speaker 4>to what a Year in Horror is all about. This

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<v Speaker 4>is a podcast where I choose a year at random

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<v Speaker 4>every month, and then I run down my very personal

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<v Speaker 4>favorite films of that year. It's that easy. That is

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<v Speaker 4>the podcast in a nutshell. Also, with each episode, I

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<v Speaker 4>am joined by some outrageously handsome human guests. They help

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<v Speaker 4>me sift my way through the most interesting films of

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<v Speaker 4>the bunch. And for this the nineteen ninety four Big

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<v Speaker 4>Hitter episode, where we've got a new special guest in

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<v Speaker 4>the guise of filmmaker Rick Rawlins. Plus, we've got three

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<v Speaker 4>regular friends that are podcasts who've come back into the fold.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got Stephen Hill of the Stupendous True Cult Pop podcast,

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<v Speaker 4>a staff writer at Metal Hammer magazine as well. We've

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<v Speaker 4>got fatherm Alone from the Midnight Viewing podcast. Also, we've

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<v Speaker 4>got author Paul Terry. He's returned after we chatted a

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<v Speaker 4>load about Cold Check a few months back. And you

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<v Speaker 4>know what that is going to be a welcome return

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<v Speaker 4>for all three of those people. So yeah, there we go.

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<v Speaker 4>I've also just noticed no women. I need to sort

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<v Speaker 4>that out. But you know that is a pretty cool

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<v Speaker 4>collection of well adjusted guys, right, So here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>We're almost there.

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<v Speaker 4>My definition of horror is sometimes considered wrong, just plain

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<v Speaker 4>wrong by those self appointed gatekeepers with a more defined

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<v Speaker 4>opinion of what makes a horror and actual horror. And

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes my rather witty and astute and precise takes of

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<v Speaker 4>what is a horror, well, they make it to the

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<v Speaker 4>very high reaches of the chart. So if you are

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<v Speaker 4>one of those easily triggered folks, then just be prepared

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<v Speaker 4>to get rammed up the wrong side by a Ramakin,

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<v Speaker 4>probably gripped by the mighty Lono from We Belong Dead. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that might happen. I've just thought, as I'm saying that

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<v Speaker 4>Lono also isn't on this show. I need to sort

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<v Speaker 4>this out more, Lono, I say, I'm going to sort

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<v Speaker 4>that out asap. Where was I in my little script?

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<v Speaker 4>I've lost the point nineteen ninety four. There we go,

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<v Speaker 4>that's where we are. It was a difficult number one

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<v Speaker 4>to choose for me. The top four were being shuffled

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<v Speaker 4>around quite a lot, so be aware when we get

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<v Speaker 4>there that my number one could be your number four, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>Etc.

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<v Speaker 4>And when we make it to the very end of

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<v Speaker 4>bit twenty four films. You can't call that enough to

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<v Speaker 4>for me to watch it. And sometimes there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well maybe not, but maybe it's always.

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<v Speaker 4>two point nine on letterbox. Finally, I'm only a fan.

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<v Speaker 4>most part, I don't watch these things academically. It's an obsession,

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<v Speaker 4>much like I imagine you have that same obsession. I get

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<v Speaker 4>remember it's all my opinions. It's a list show. If

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<v Speaker 4>I really do want to discover the new stuff. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>if you pick up a great tip from me, why

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<v Speaker 2>That easy.

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<v Speaker 4>You can also instagram me I'm at Wallernut Weller letterbox

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<v Speaker 2>Why not? I don't know what that does anymore? Does

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<v Speaker 2>it do anything? I don't know?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you ready? It's nineteen ninety four, A Year in Horror,

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<v Speaker 4>Robert de Niro as the Creation. I mean, it's the Monster, right,

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<v Speaker 4>A reanimated corpse who is rejected by humanity and swears revenge.

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<v Speaker 2>On the world as a result. Yes, fucking please.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing is I've been put off watching this film for

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<v Speaker 4>so many years for a multitude of reasons. But it

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to put aside my negativity by the arrow

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<v Speaker 4>four K and holy poopy poop pants, it was proper

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<v Speaker 4>worth at Sunshines. Yes, indeed it was. Here is the

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<v Speaker 4>letterbox synopsis for Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Victor Frankenstein is a

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<v Speaker 4>promising young doctor who, devastated by the death of his

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<v Speaker 4>from death to life. His experiments lead to the creation

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<v Speaker 4>of a monster, which Frankenstein has put together with the

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<v Speaker 4>remains of corpses. It's not long before Frankenstein regrets his actions.

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<v Speaker 1>They're a passion. You're no limits, but he's obsession.

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<v Speaker 2>No one need ever die.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not boundaries. Francis Ford Corpola presents a classic story

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<v Speaker 1>of true love. Let Me help You, Terror, Robert de Niro,

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<v Speaker 1>kerev Brna, Calina Bottom, Carter, Mary Shelley's Franklin Stone read.

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<v Speaker 1>A theater near you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's time for the chat ah. Oh yeah, it's myself.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Father Malone and he is of the most wonderful

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<v Speaker 4>Patreon channel. That is right, it's patreon dot com forward

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<v Speaker 4>slash Father Malone. But if that's not good enough for you,

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<v Speaker 4>then why don't you type into your local podcast emporium,

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<v Speaker 4>podcast searching device, podcast midnight viewing. That's where you're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>find him. You must prepare to be flawed with the

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<v Speaker 4>good old fashioned movie tainment, because that's what that man delivers.

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<v Speaker 2>Here.

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<v Speaker 4>We are just about I don't know wenes is coming

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<v Speaker 4>out two and a half months ago talking all about

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<v Speaker 2>Father alone. Hello, good afternoon, evening whatever. I don't know someone, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>not that early though.

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<v Speaker 4>before the one we've already recorded for Wes Craven. So

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<v Speaker 4>that's interesting. But this film I had dedicated previously in

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<v Speaker 4>my life zero time too, never seen it before, never

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<v Speaker 4>cared and there are a few reasons behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've gone for Mary Shelley's.

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<v Speaker 4>Frankenstein from ninety four. I'm going to before we get

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<v Speaker 4>to this film in particular, I would love to know

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<v Speaker 4>like your history with Frankenstein, Frankenstein's self, like with regards

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<v Speaker 4>to maybe the books, maybe other films, like are you

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<v Speaker 4>a fan of Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm a fan of Bradley what we consider the

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<v Speaker 2>universal Monsters, and naturally frank is front and center there.

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<v Speaker 2>Earliest memories of Frankenstein. My family had an eight millimeter

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<v Speaker 2>projectory silent projector, and you could buy eight millimeter Little

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<v Speaker 2>although those were only fifteen minutes anyway, but you get

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<v Speaker 2>my point. So we had a copy of Frankenstein Versus

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<v Speaker 2>the Wolfman, which I got to use to watch like

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<v Speaker 2>on a wall or a sheet all the time. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's my earliest memory of him, and that is that's

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<v Speaker 2>more of a wrestling movie than it is a horror movie,

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<v Speaker 2>so he wasn't really scary to me. And then at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, because I grew up in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was watching reruns of The Monsters, which is

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<v Speaker 2>primarily my main image of Frankenstein is probably Fred Gwynn.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time it was the groovy Gholies.

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<v Speaker 2>There is mad Monster Party. It was not a good

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<v Speaker 2>time to be frightened of frankenstat. I get that. Franken

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<v Speaker 2>Berry cereal was on every tay, every kitchen table, you

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<v Speaker 2>a boogieyman by then. I'll goly give you my top

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<v Speaker 2>five Frankenstein movies. So at number five from nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>I've put Franken Hooker Patty Mullen. I love that film, love.

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<v Speaker 4>That film, but it's a weird choice because it's not

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<v Speaker 4>Frankenstein's Franken Hooker. But I still had to put it

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<v Speaker 4>there at number five. Number four, Frankenstein Meets the wolf Man.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't believe that was your first foray into that.

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<v Speaker 4>I watched that a few months ago. I loved it.

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<v Speaker 4>I absolutely loved it. I couldn't believe that I'd never

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<v Speaker 2>Was amazing. The fucking ice cave stuff, man, that's good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>He disappeared to a k oh, look there's a cave.

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<v Speaker 2>He disappeared to this ton. Okay, sure for those of

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<v Speaker 4>It's so rubbish, but it's so amazing and I love

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<v Speaker 4>it for it. So next one Hammer now sixty seven

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<v Speaker 4>Frankenstein Created Women.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, good, excellent flick. Excellent flick.

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<v Speaker 4>Number two Mary Shelley's Frankenstein unbelievable. We'll get into it

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<v Speaker 4>in a minute. My number one from thirty one Frankenstein

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<v Speaker 2>I would add a few to that list.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm interested in that, so I don't know. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>at the end, I'm going to ask you to put

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<v Speaker 4>a flick with it for a double bill, but without

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<v Speaker 4>spoiling that, Like where would you send people for like

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<v Speaker 4>some cool Frankenstein stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I would tell them to check out for performances as Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 2>For the character of Frankenstein. I would tell them to

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<v Speaker 2>check out The Bride. That was the film What's Starring

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately sting, but it features a performance by Tom Noonan.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I'm sorry, Clancy Brown, My god, what am

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<v Speaker 2>I talking about? Tom Nonan plays the monster in the

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<v Speaker 2>Monster Squad, but Clancy Brown, the Kurgan from Highlander, plays Victor,

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<v Speaker 2>the Monster and the Bride. He's fucking fantastic in it,

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<v Speaker 2>rocky horror picture show. That's a pretty that's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good Frankenstein movie. I would encourage everyone to go there

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<v Speaker 2>and along those lines. My favorite fan of the Paradise

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<v Speaker 2>there is a there is a Frankenstein sequence in there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's brief, it doesn't really qualify, but my god, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a phantasma oracle version of the Frankenstein myth and with

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<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, if we're including like Frankenstein makes the Wolfman,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Cool? All right?

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<v Speaker 4>So which brings us to this film? I've already said that,

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<v Speaker 4>like where I rank this one? Like it's so high

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<v Speaker 4>for me, And I thought a lot of this film

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<v Speaker 4>was pretty bad as well, but when it shines, it

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<v Speaker 4>really shines for me. What about you, like in general

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<v Speaker 4>with Mary Shirley s Frankenstein, is it something that you.

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<v Speaker 2>Are into? Like were you ever into this film? I

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<v Speaker 2>saw this movie opening day in Century City, California, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's this is on the heels. We should say

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<v Speaker 2>that this is about a year after Bram Stoker's Dracula

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<v Speaker 2>comes out. Francis Ford Coppola's version, which is the superior

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<v Speaker 2>version of that book as far as I'm concerned, as

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<v Speaker 2>far as adaptations. So expectations were high because Francis Ford

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<v Speaker 2>Coppola and This and James Heart, the screenwriter of Bromstarkers

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<v Speaker 2>So what it seemed like was what we're getting is

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<v Speaker 2>a whole new era of the universal monsters, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and but a literary bent on it. Very excited, very excited.

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<v Speaker 2>And on top of that, they've gotten Kenneth browna who,

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<v Speaker 2>to me after Henry the Fifth. My god, yes, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>stand with him. And he's basically following the orson Wells path,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's starring and writing and directing and just running catering.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in love with that fool. So the prospect

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<v Speaker 2>of this movie was very My expectations were very high.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I saw it, and then my expectations were very,

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<v Speaker 2>very low. I do not like this movie. I there

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<v Speaker 2>are moments in this film that I think are great,

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<v Speaker 2>there are performances that are great, there's some production stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but I remember thinking at the time and then this

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<v Speaker 2>was wholly confirmed on the rewatch. Maybe he's just an egomaniac.

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<v Speaker 2>When I think of Orson Wells and I think of

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<v Speaker 2>the movies he was making and starring it, I never

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<v Speaker 2>think he's not talented enough to pull this off. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that several times while watching Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's miscasting. Maybe he casts the wrong guy in it,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he hired the wrong director. One or the other

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<v Speaker 2>is out of balance here.

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<v Speaker 4>He is the reason why I never went to it

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<v Speaker 4>like I. You can't imagine how much I hated much

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<v Speaker 4>ado about nothing. You can't imagine this was totally not me.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want costume, dramay stuff, ruffles, mohusive, tight bodices

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<v Speaker 2>Can I tell you that I was a projectionist when

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<v Speaker 2>that movie came out, and I had a trailer for it,

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<v Speaker 2>and when we would have parties at the theater after hours,

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<v Speaker 2>and I made a loop. There's a moment in the film,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's in the trailer where it's a close up

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<v Speaker 2>of a masked figure and the mask pulls off and

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<v Speaker 2>it was really funny but I had a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>and turn it into a loop, so we would have

414
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<v Speaker 2>a party in the theater while Keanu Reeves took his

415
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.240
<v Speaker 2>mask off over and over again for hours on end.

416
00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:16.559
<v Speaker 2>I imagine that was much better than the film. Oh

417
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:17.599
<v Speaker 2>much better. Certainly.

418
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.759
<v Speaker 4>I hate that stuff, and like Helena Bond and Carto

419
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.480
<v Speaker 4>is in it all at that time, and like, knowing

420
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:26.359
<v Speaker 4>she was in there, I do you know what this

421
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:27.880
<v Speaker 4>is going to be? So and then I saw the

422
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:31.440
<v Speaker 4>running time and stuff, you know, like when you're pulling out,

423
00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:32.559
<v Speaker 4>like do I want to rent this?

424
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:37.279
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, yeah, oh, certainly scan down to the runtime. Yeah,

425
00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.559
<v Speaker 2>if it's ninety minutes, I'll fucking go for it. But

426
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:48.200
<v Speaker 2>like ninety seven, one hour fifty four not having it?

427
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:51.279
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, So it comes with that all that baggage,

428
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:54.319
<v Speaker 4>which is fair enough, my personal baggage that I put

429
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:57.640
<v Speaker 4>to this film. And I've always been reluctant until you

430
00:25:57.759 --> 00:25:59.920
<v Speaker 4>picked it, and I was like, right, I'm going to

431
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:01.960
<v Speaker 4>And then I was like, do you know what, let's

432
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:04.839
<v Speaker 4>get that nice four karrow thing. It's just come out

433
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:07.799
<v Speaker 4>so I can watch it as good as I possibly can.

434
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:13.039
<v Speaker 4>And as I mentioned there that I loved a lot

435
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.680
<v Speaker 4>of it, but I really hated a lot of it.

436
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:19.039
<v Speaker 4>And I'm still so unsure of what I feel about

437
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.480
<v Speaker 4>this film and what got me all the time. All

438
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.559
<v Speaker 4>the time I was thinking, is this just because it's

439
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:29.839
<v Speaker 4>a different time night before? But was incest like a

440
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:31.680
<v Speaker 4>cool thing in the nineties?

441
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Was it a common thing? Was it not looked down upon?

442
00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I certainly felt by then we had begun looking down

443
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 2>on incestin in no small fashion. Okay, because I'm confused.

444
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Well now, now, to be fair, a part that's his

445
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:52.200
<v Speaker 2>adopted sister. It doesn't alleviate anything. It doesn't. We're in

446
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.359
<v Speaker 2>the land of Edgar Allen Poe marrying a fourteen year

447
00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:58.359
<v Speaker 2>old cousin. This is the time frame we're talking about.

448
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:00.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm not condoning any of it, but no, it adds

449
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:04.799
<v Speaker 2>a weird layer to it. And what's startling to me

450
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>is Bromstoker's Dracula. They called it Bromstker's Dracula in an

451
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:12.160
<v Speaker 2>announcement that this is the first time you're actually going

452
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:15.799
<v Speaker 2>to see that novel put on screen. So the promise

453
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.640
<v Speaker 2>was that's what they're doing here as well. Which is

454
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:22.880
<v Speaker 2>in no way what they've done. They've made up whole

455
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.640
<v Speaker 2>sections of plot in character, they've borrowed from other films

456
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.279
<v Speaker 2>in some cases just it. You guys can do what

457
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:30.279
<v Speaker 2>you are.

458
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 4>That I remember reading a book like when I was

459
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.200
<v Speaker 4>very young, in fact, I think I was not nine

460
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:40.480
<v Speaker 4>or ten, but I do remember that it like those bookends,

461
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.240
<v Speaker 4>and they're in here, So I do remember that. And

462
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 4>like something that never ever appeared was when they they

463
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 4>he helps like another family or something in secret, and

464
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.480
<v Speaker 4>that was in here, but it was so vague from me.

465
00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:58.240
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't remember.

466
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:00.440
<v Speaker 4>Was that another book that I'd read because I was

467
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.759
<v Speaker 4>bigin to Ivanhoe and things like that as well at

468
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:05.079
<v Speaker 4>the time, Like it could have been something in that

469
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but no, it turns out it was here,

470
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:12.319
<v Speaker 4>and I'm glad for that. But like, I haven't gone

471
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 4>through my extras yet. So there's a documentary on that thing,

472
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.319
<v Speaker 4>which is like the differences between the book and and

473
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:20.000
<v Speaker 4>I think that'll be interesting to go in.

474
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.759
<v Speaker 2>So like where did they stray like terribly?

475
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Here?

476
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 2>The thing is they're not necessarily straying all the time

477
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:30.440
<v Speaker 2>so much as extrapolating, which is what you do when

478
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:32.880
<v Speaker 2>you adapt a book into a screenplay, right, you take

479
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.359
<v Speaker 2>what you think is the most important section. So what

480
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 2>they've chosen to do here is to focus on the

481
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:43.039
<v Speaker 2>romance portion of the Frankenstein book, which is the love

482
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:46.880
<v Speaker 2>between him and Elizabeth, which is mentioned in the book,

483
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:49.799
<v Speaker 2>and she's more of a prop than anything in the book,

484
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:52.079
<v Speaker 2>and then consequently in the film, although they've tried to

485
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:56.000
<v Speaker 2>pump up her character and their romance, the problem is

486
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 2>it is the flattest romance. I do not care. The

487
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.960
<v Speaker 2>characters don't care for each other. It's so melodramatically produced.

488
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>It's all stirring music and unearned. There's not even any passion.

489
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>These two were fucking at the time, and there's just

490
00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:18.839
<v Speaker 2>nothing on screen that turns yeah, man, yeah man. Helena

491
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Bonham Carter professional home wrecker. So yeah. At the time,

492
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Brian is married to Emma Thompson cast Helena bonm Carter

493
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 2>in this and they hook up while they're making this movie.

494
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Helen Bonham Carter moves on. Remember Lisa Marie, Remember the

495
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Martian and the Martian woman in Mars Attacks. Okay, so

496
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.319
<v Speaker 2>they do. Tim Burton does Planet of the Apes. Lisa

497
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Marie is in Planet of the apes as one of

498
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.759
<v Speaker 2>the chimpanzee ladies, but the main chimpanzee is Helena Bonham

499
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:47.359
<v Speaker 2>Carter who breaks them up and takes and now, yeah,

500
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>that's called zero chemistry on the screen. That is insane.

501
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Zero chemistry, man like negative, Like they've chosen to focus

502
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:58.680
<v Speaker 2>on an aspect of the book that is barely there

503
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:02.680
<v Speaker 2>and unnecessary to the plot of this fucking movie. And

504
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:05.519
<v Speaker 2>these two people who are actually in an affair are

505
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>just like, Oh, you can tell why it didn't last.

506
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:13.119
<v Speaker 2>You have blown my mind with that. I can't believe that.

507
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.839
<v Speaker 4>It's like they hate each other, like in real life,

508
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.519
<v Speaker 4>that's what it feels like. And it's like we've contracted

509
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:23.160
<v Speaker 4>in to do this now and that's the total opposite.

510
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm stunned. Wow. They Yeah, you know what's funny is

511
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.599
<v Speaker 2>the way they interact and just went the way they kiss,

512
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.400
<v Speaker 2>it makes it reinforces the brother and sister of it.

513
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh, there is a holy shit moment in this film

514
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:41.640
<v Speaker 4>for me, and it is when the romance hopefully is

515
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 4>finished at some point.

516
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:47.240
<v Speaker 2>And then we it never finishes, God damn it.

517
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.599
<v Speaker 4>We get a sort of fade a black and then

518
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 4>we open up and we're in a sort of grotty

519
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.119
<v Speaker 4>alley way, and there is a de Niro as the

520
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:01.759
<v Speaker 4>monster just you know, cowder like you know, and I

521
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:04.000
<v Speaker 4>was just like, oh, hang on, that's good.

522
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 2>I like that, and.

523
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.519
<v Speaker 4>Every single step of the way for a good chunk

524
00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:11.799
<v Speaker 4>of this film. At this point, I was like, this

525
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.640
<v Speaker 4>is the best Frankenstein stuff I've ever seen. I was

526
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:19.720
<v Speaker 4>so I was loving everything within that moment. But I

527
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:23.319
<v Speaker 4>don't know how a film can fire so flatly, like

528
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.720
<v Speaker 4>almost flatlining, Like I didn't know how we were going

529
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.440
<v Speaker 4>to talk about this film at all.

530
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 2>How are we going to do it?

531
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:32.640
<v Speaker 4>And then that kicks in, and then we get to

532
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:36.359
<v Speaker 4>that family, as I mentioned, and I'm like, what's going

533
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 4>to happen here? I'm really invested. Is it impressive to you? Like,

534
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:42.920
<v Speaker 4>as I say, I loved it, It's fine if you think,

535
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.240
<v Speaker 4>oh man, that was pretty rubbish as well, but like,

536
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:47.559
<v Speaker 4>where would you go with like that moment, my holy

537
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 4>shit moment?

538
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Where would you rate that? That's when the movie comes alive. Actually,

539
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 2>what I remember that I liked about the film initially

540
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 2>was the stuff with the monster, And then watching it

541
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:02.039
<v Speaker 2>again last night, I really love the stuff with the monster.

542
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.920
<v Speaker 2>And now I'm convinced we were robbed of a much

543
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>better film that focused on the monster and his dealing

544
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:15.119
<v Speaker 2>with the world, because he's always been a pitiful figure

545
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.759
<v Speaker 2>as a character. He did not ask to be this

546
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:22.960
<v Speaker 2>thing and does not understand his place or anything and

547
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>has to find his way. And this is now what

548
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I did like about what we were saying, Like, this

549
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:33.200
<v Speaker 2>sort of sequence of the monster learning is very rarely,

550
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 2>if ever shown, where we get to see how he

551
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 2>came to speak and how he got up vocabulary. In fact,

552
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 2>it should have been longer that he should have spent

553
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>more time with this family. They added the blind Man.

554
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Now the blind Man is a character from Brian or Frankenstein,

555
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>and now he keeps showing up in all these verses

556
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 2>of Frankenstein. But let's not kid ourselves. He's not in

557
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:56.160
<v Speaker 2>the novel. But if we're going to include him, why

558
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.240
<v Speaker 2>aren't they friends for a good portion of this film

559
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.480
<v Speaker 2>before the other family find out that the dad's new

560
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:05.119
<v Speaker 2>friend is a fucking monster and beat him up. No,

561
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't beat him off, but you know what I mean, I'll.

562
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:12.319
<v Speaker 4>Take it like that is key and I in all

563
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.599
<v Speaker 4>it was getting chills at various moments where like because

564
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.759
<v Speaker 4>I hadn't seen it before on film, like where he's

565
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.160
<v Speaker 4>peeking through and he's learning about love because of the

566
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 4>relationship between the mum and the dad in the family,

567
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 4>and like about how they treat their children, and like

568
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.559
<v Speaker 4>this is an alien concept to him, and it felt

569
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:31.920
<v Speaker 4>so good.

570
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.279
<v Speaker 2>And when he's trying to mouth.

571
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:36.200
<v Speaker 4>Words together, and I was just like, I was so

572
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.599
<v Speaker 4>impressed with what I was watching, and I did a

573
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 4>foolish thing halfway through is I read a few reviews

574
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.920
<v Speaker 4>and it said that a common quite a common trait

575
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.720
<v Speaker 4>within them was that de Niro was miscast. Now, you

576
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.319
<v Speaker 4>mentioned something about being missed. A couple of people miscast earlier.

577
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Only one, only one, No, only Kenneth Brown has miscast

578
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:02.920
<v Speaker 2>in this movie. I think de Niro was. Everyone was

579
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:05.240
<v Speaker 2>all a buzz when he was cast in the movie, like,

580
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, what's he going to do with it? Yeah,

581
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 2>he's not miscast in the movie. He's unfortunately got a

582
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 2>bad movie framed around him. And we're not given enough

583
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.880
<v Speaker 2>of this guy that we're not given enough of this

584
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:26.159
<v Speaker 2>the creature who finds joy in doing good for this family,

585
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:30.280
<v Speaker 2>for helping them. We don't get enough of this monster

586
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.039
<v Speaker 2>who for the I think for the first time cinematically,

587
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.960
<v Speaker 2>whenever they've gone to include the character of a bride

588
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.519
<v Speaker 2>character he does demand it in the novel, but this

589
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 2>is the only time it isn't completely creepy from the

590
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>get go. It always comes off as I want to mate,

591
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:52.039
<v Speaker 2>give me a girl, whereas this is the monster recognizing

592
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>that in a family there is satisfaction in peace and acceptance,

593
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 2>and that's what he needs. So that's what he's asking for.

594
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Not give me a mate, but give me a companion please,

595
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.679
<v Speaker 2>And that sings in this movie. And Danira pulls all

596
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:12.119
<v Speaker 2>that off. Man when they finally run him off, and

597
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.920
<v Speaker 2>he's just bawling like a child, Like, who can't feel

598
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:18.800
<v Speaker 2>bad for him? Man, tell me that's a bad performance.

599
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:19.920
<v Speaker 2>What are you out of your minds?

600
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think I think it's Stella, Like I couldn't believe.

601
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 4>There was a moment where he pulled like from the

602
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 4>frozen ground, like it was pulling turnips out for the family,

603
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 4>And as I said, I was getting tills and like,

604
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.920
<v Speaker 4>it's so rare that you are in love with a

605
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.599
<v Speaker 4>film at that moment, And that was one of them

606
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.199
<v Speaker 4>that the music swelling and stuff and like I think

607
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:42.480
<v Speaker 4>it's because he didn't expect anything back. He just wanted

608
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:44.920
<v Speaker 4>to help them because they're helping him and they don't

609
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.400
<v Speaker 4>even realize they're helping him.

610
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 2>It's just such a.

611
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.960
<v Speaker 4>Great moment, and it's like it makes me like love

612
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.800
<v Speaker 4>discovering things that I've poo pooed in the past.

613
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:55.519
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I don't know.

614
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 4>I just felt so good watching that, and then I

615
00:35:57.400 --> 00:35:59.800
<v Speaker 4>just thought to myself, right, what is this.

616
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Film got to offer now?

617
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.599
<v Speaker 4>So we've got the I would say that the ship

618
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 4>met out the way, but we've got all the romance

619
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.679
<v Speaker 4>stuff that that's not going to come back.

620
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:11.039
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't do that because we heaven for a fen

621
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.599
<v Speaker 2>that they bring that back over and over it and

622
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.599
<v Speaker 2>refocus the entire movie for a portion. But I was

623
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>sad John Claese is gone. Don't you wish that that

624
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:24.079
<v Speaker 2>had been like his Igor character, like that has been

625
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.519
<v Speaker 2>his assistant. Instead, what they've done is, see here's a

626
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.960
<v Speaker 2>book changed from the book. The Henry Clairval character, the

627
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Tom Holt's character. He's a good performance in it too.

628
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Is he's trying to provide the comic relief, straining mightily

629
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:39.719
<v Speaker 2>against this script to provide the comic relief. But he's

630
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Victor's childhood friend. He never leaves Geneva and then eventually

631
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:48.400
<v Speaker 2>the monster kills him when in the book, So I

632
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:52.039
<v Speaker 2>know they added it added him to the the ingelestatt

633
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:56.079
<v Speaker 2>section of the movie, but just so Branna has somebody

634
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:58.239
<v Speaker 2>to talk to, but they had the perfect guy to

635
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Speaker 2>talk to. Let's continue talk about junklies, but I want

636
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.639
<v Speaker 2>to talk about the main problem with the Victor Frankenstein

637
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 2>character and as he's characterized here.

638
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.920
<v Speaker 4>After all I wanted to say about the John Clee

639
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.159
<v Speaker 4>thing is that he was the ray of light in

640
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.800
<v Speaker 4>the whole romance bit where we kept going to him

641
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.400
<v Speaker 4>and he it was like, oh, okay, so he's going

642
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.440
<v Speaker 4>to be the guy that takes him under his wing

643
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.519
<v Speaker 4>and we're going to get to learn from him. There's

644
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.320
<v Speaker 4>going to be some monologues going on. It just feels

645
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:29.679
<v Speaker 4>cut off before. And I've just come from watching the

646
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:34.559
<v Speaker 4>Life of Brian as well, so instantly, you know, it's

647
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:36.599
<v Speaker 4>fresh in my mind. I know it is capable of

648
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 4>got all those great memories from him, and here he's

649
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.360
<v Speaker 4>not playing to type at all. And I was just

650
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.039
<v Speaker 4>really enjoying it and like to get as I say,

651
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:48.679
<v Speaker 4>like an anti VAXXA just doing away with him fair enough,

652
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 4>like with today's knowledge, Like that's an interesting way to go.

653
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>But I could have done with him and the rest

654
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.039
<v Speaker 2>of the film for sure. Yeah. I First of all,

655
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.960
<v Speaker 2>he looks remarkably like Billy Connolly in this film for

656
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 2>some reason, with that wig. I'll try. I kept thinking

657
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 2>it was Billy Connolly on occasion. But Coleice Alalys seemed

658
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 2>like the darkest member of the Pythons, if that's possible.

659
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Some others might have shown it more. But there's just

660
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>something deeply disturbed about him, and so having to having

661
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:25.199
<v Speaker 2>that come out a bit is really enjoyable. In fact,

662
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:26.639
<v Speaker 2>like when he gets to the end, like there's a

663
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.800
<v Speaker 2>moment right before a transition where he lowers his voice

664
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.280
<v Speaker 2>and they were abomin nations and it's like, oh boy,

665
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:35.679
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for more of this guy. Oh no, no, no,

666
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.920
<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna shuffle him out here. We're gonna shuffle

667
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 2>him out of here because of the main problem with

668
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 2>the movie is Kenneth Brana is a fucking megalomaniac. Let's

669
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>talk about it then.

670
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:48.440
<v Speaker 4>So the other thing in the reviews, okay, was Kenneth

671
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.679
<v Speaker 4>Branna shouting like instead of like acting his way through it.

672
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:55.079
<v Speaker 4>He decided to shout his way through several scenes. Now

673
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.599
<v Speaker 4>that was the worst I could pick. I could think

674
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.159
<v Speaker 4>of a few other things to say about him. The

675
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 4>issue with he.

676
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Made you think, I think, Okay, I think in each

677
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:10.679
<v Speaker 2>of his movies he cultivated and then bristled against the

678
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:13.840
<v Speaker 2>sort of Orson Wells comparison, like the sort of boy

679
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.639
<v Speaker 2>genius does it all kind of thing. So when it

680
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.159
<v Speaker 2>came to this movie, he has to look back at

681
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:24.760
<v Speaker 2>all the different performances of Victor Frankenstein up until then,

682
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.159
<v Speaker 2>and he has to find a lane that hasn't been

683
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.199
<v Speaker 2>done and he has to commit to it. And meanwhile,

684
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:35.000
<v Speaker 2>newly fit Kenneth Branna because he's Hollywood eyes. Now he's

685
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:38.280
<v Speaker 2>done dead again by now? And did he do much

686
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.639
<v Speaker 2>to do about nothing but it probably yeah, yeah, So

687
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.760
<v Speaker 2>he decided to make this an ode to his physique

688
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:50.320
<v Speaker 2>and make this a muscular Victor Frankenstein instead of the shivering,

689
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:56.400
<v Speaker 2>barely sunlit lab dweller or the jibbering maniac. He was

690
00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:01.960
<v Speaker 2>going to make him a football start. I mean, the

691
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 2>let me okay, we'll get more of this, but I

692
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.000
<v Speaker 2>do want to say that my main problem with the

693
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.440
<v Speaker 2>characterization of Victor Frankensteinire is he wants him to be

694
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:14.800
<v Speaker 2>the completely obsessed maniac, the character who needs to conquer

695
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:18.639
<v Speaker 2>death or create life more to the point, but he

696
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 2>also wants it to be happy and romantic. So we

697
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 2>get the death of his mother, which is the kickoff

698
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:29.119
<v Speaker 2>point in the novel and points to why he's doing

699
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>this to begin with. I think he doesn't want anyone

700
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:35.159
<v Speaker 2>to die. But that shift in character means that he

701
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.480
<v Speaker 2>is now deeply wounded and flawed and obsessed with one

702
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 2>thing and one thing only, and he becomes dissociated from

703
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:44.000
<v Speaker 2>his town. Like in the book that he leaves and

704
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.559
<v Speaker 2>they don't hear from him anymore, and he's just fucking

705
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 2>focused on his business. But here they want to cultivate

706
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.280
<v Speaker 2>the romance, so he's still I mean, we find out

707
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.840
<v Speaker 2>he's not writing letters, but we're made to think he is,

708
00:40:56.079 --> 00:41:00.800
<v Speaker 2>and it distracts from everything, and it makes his character like,

709
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.719
<v Speaker 2>you can't be fucking bouncy and tortured. It just doesn't work.

710
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:09.119
<v Speaker 4>It's such a shame. There is too much naked Kenneth,

711
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.280
<v Speaker 4>you know. I feel like it's a you know, when

712
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.559
<v Speaker 4>dads discover Instagram and then then get all buff.

713
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:17.719
<v Speaker 2>It's like that.

714
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:23.079
<v Speaker 4>It's like it's like, yeah, I might be divorced, but

715
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:26.079
<v Speaker 4>look what I can do. It's got that sort of

716
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:30.239
<v Speaker 4>vibe to it. But it's so melodramatic. It's so every

717
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 4>single thing that he does isn't just done as it

718
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:40.039
<v Speaker 4>would be. Everything has to be important, and yeah, if

719
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:43.199
<v Speaker 4>you were focused on this one thing, like that's what

720
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.119
<v Speaker 4>you would be focused on, you'd become a nerd within yourself,

721
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:46.760
<v Speaker 4>you know you would.

722
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:48.440
<v Speaker 2>You would be like, right, I'm going to do this.

723
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:50.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do this properly. And I don't. I

724
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 2>don't ever feel that. I just don't. It's so wild wild. Yeah,

725
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:59.960
<v Speaker 2>let's face it that he's decided that the birth sequence

726
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.639
<v Speaker 2>is going to be him fucking the monster into life.

727
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:08.920
<v Speaker 2>It's him disrobed and running and grunting and pulling chains

728
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.480
<v Speaker 2>that make logs slam into other things and bodies swinging

729
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 2>around and then dumped into a vat of amnionic fluid.

730
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Now they make a point to show us in some

731
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:24.639
<v Speaker 2>sort of workhouse medico situation, a woman giving birth and

732
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:28.880
<v Speaker 2>a spittoon of some sort catching all the amniotic fluid

733
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 2>so later when we see that tank and it's filled

734
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.440
<v Speaker 2>to the brim, and you know that Paul, you, me

735
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.920
<v Speaker 2>and everyone could get into that fucking tank. How long

736
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:42.719
<v Speaker 2>was he collecting that? Did he have people on staff?

737
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Where's his money coming from? What's going on here? It's

738
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:50.639
<v Speaker 2>really weird anyway, Yeah, it's so weird. So he makes

739
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:55.639
<v Speaker 2>it like this thing where Frankenstein golden locked Frankenstein. Let's

740
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 2>not forget that. We're talking a lot about the physique,

741
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 2>but he really frames it all with this giant mane

742
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.519
<v Speaker 2>of a lion hair. You know, he learned from his

743
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 2>actual hero, Laurence Olivier. If you're gonna make the black

744
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.039
<v Speaker 2>and white movie, make sure you're blonde. You want to

745
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 2>you want all the focus on you. I don't know.

746
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.480
<v Speaker 2>It just ends up being ridiculous him to your point,

747
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.800
<v Speaker 2>shouting instead of it's alive and the joy of it,

748
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 2>he's screaming it into life. He's making it live because

749
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:25.320
<v Speaker 2>he's so virile.

750
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 4>I think that scene is uh, super gay. I super

751
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.039
<v Speaker 4>enjoyed it. I didn't expect anything like that, you know,

752
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:39.480
<v Speaker 4>I was expecting like a you know, when there's a homage.

753
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 4>A homage is very good word for it. I was

754
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.039
<v Speaker 4>expecting that and that's not what we got. It's not

755
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.519
<v Speaker 4>at all. It was so gay, and I was like,

756
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:49.719
<v Speaker 4>I don't know where this is gonna go.

757
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:53.119
<v Speaker 2>This is electric eels. Let me talk, let's speak to

758
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:56.280
<v Speaker 2>the phallicness of it all. There's no lightning here. There's

759
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:59.360
<v Speaker 2>a vat of electric eels that is in a bladder

760
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>that is pulsating, and then he hooks up a tube

761
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.000
<v Speaker 2>and sends in the eels.

762
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:10.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a fantastic birthing scene of the monster, but

763
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:15.559
<v Speaker 4>also absolutely ridiculous. And here's the thing, right that was

764
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:17.159
<v Speaker 4>still in a bit where I'm still uming and a

765
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.280
<v Speaker 4>ring about this whole film, as I say, And it

766
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.280
<v Speaker 4>wasn't enough to get me on board, but it was bizarre.

767
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:24.559
<v Speaker 2>It was just bizarre.

768
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.440
<v Speaker 4>It took like that de Niro sequence to sort of

769
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:31.199
<v Speaker 4>get me into this thing, and it really did get

770
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.199
<v Speaker 4>me into it, but it didn't last well.

771
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Can I just say that the end of that scene,

772
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.280
<v Speaker 2>when we finally get the monster with the vat of

773
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 2>viscous fluid that dumps out onto the floor and Frankenstein

774
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:48.000
<v Speaker 2>comes and just tries to help him stand that scene,

775
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm making fun of Branna a lot for his performance here,

776
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 2>but his instinct as a filmmaker there to let that

777
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:59.119
<v Speaker 2>play because it goes on forever. I think back. I

778
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 2>only saw that Movi be in the theater thirty years ago,

779
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty three years ago something, and that's the image that

780
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:10.199
<v Speaker 2>comes to mind him those two sort of slickly trying

781
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:14.079
<v Speaker 2>to get up this do this amnionic slide, this naked

782
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:17.519
<v Speaker 2>oil wrestling moment, the diddy dip, if you will. It's

783
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Speaker 2>shocking and disturbing and horrifying and sweet at the same

784
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 2>time because he really is trying to help his creation

785
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:29.360
<v Speaker 2>here and he hasn't yet rebuked him. I don't know.

786
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Something about that whole image is what makes the whole movie.

787
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 2>If the movie works at all, it's working right here.

788
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.000
<v Speaker 4>In an interview that I watched somewhere on YouTube after

789
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.039
<v Speaker 4>I watch this, he called this film a gothic romance.

790
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:47.920
<v Speaker 4>He didn't mention horror, no shit, Jesus, But in that

791
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:50.920
<v Speaker 4>moment it's so gross, like if you were going to

792
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:56.280
<v Speaker 4>say a pinpoint of horror moment, it's so like cinema,

793
00:45:56.320 --> 00:46:00.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, you'd be like, oh, watching this thing, it

794
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.599
<v Speaker 4>fit that at that moment, it really does feel like

795
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:05.880
<v Speaker 4>a horror, and it's not your traditional scares or anything

796
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:06.039
<v Speaker 4>like that.

797
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 2>It's just something that's so sick, and it's revulsion, which

798
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.320
<v Speaker 2>you rarely get in a movie without it just being

799
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:16.079
<v Speaker 2>gross out. There's something, there's a creeping factor to it

800
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:19.400
<v Speaker 2>that that gets under your skin, and it's almost by accident.

801
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.000
<v Speaker 2>So maybe that's why it's featured so well, because there's

802
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:23.960
<v Speaker 2>nothing in the rest of the movie that does a

803
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.719
<v Speaker 2>horror movie. It's all action from there on out. You

804
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.639
<v Speaker 2>can't even have the character sneak up on another character.

805
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.079
<v Speaker 2>There are so many moments where you could have easily

806
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.599
<v Speaker 2>crafted a scare in this film, and he's just like, no,

807
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll have him jump off a cliff like a fucking

808
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>wrestler for some reason. Here, what are you doing? What about?

809
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:46.880
<v Speaker 4>Like when the monster stitches up the maid, I think

810
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:50.559
<v Speaker 4>it is for killing the girl, and then a group

811
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:53.400
<v Speaker 4>a mob finder and then they hang.

812
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Her so they throw off.

813
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 4>Its a really tall building and like the neck crack

814
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.719
<v Speaker 4>and everything. The way that's filmed is so mattterrift rather

815
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 4>than like dumb for a horror scare. So I still

816
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.039
<v Speaker 4>of get where he's going, Like his nose, it's a

817
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.320
<v Speaker 4>gothic romance rather than that, well.

818
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.719
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to live in Geneva, man, that the

819
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:14.440
<v Speaker 2>townsfolk there are just ready to rite at every fucking moment.

820
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.000
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you know what's funny is I appreciated that

821
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:23.559
<v Speaker 2>they accelerated the sequence from the book here where the

822
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:28.440
<v Speaker 2>maid gets framed for Williams murder. But the thing is

823
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:34.400
<v Speaker 2>in the book they try her, there's a trial, and

824
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 2>she's sentenced, and then she's hung publicly and Victor does nothing.

825
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:42.079
<v Speaker 2>He just stands because he doesn't want people to know

826
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:44.840
<v Speaker 2>that it was his creation that actually did this. And

827
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.000
<v Speaker 2>then that guilt is part of the part of the

828
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:50.119
<v Speaker 2>escalating guilt that he feels, and it just gets getting

829
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:52.760
<v Speaker 2>worse because it just keeps coming and coming and coming

830
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.880
<v Speaker 2>for him. But he's not interested in that. He's interested

831
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.239
<v Speaker 2>in the romance part of it. And this annoyance of

832
00:47:59.280 --> 00:47:59.880
<v Speaker 2>a character.

833
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:02.760
<v Speaker 4>You mentioned this the sort of like the way they

834
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:05.880
<v Speaker 4>fastly go through the book, and it feels like to

835
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:09.719
<v Speaker 4>me and I can't remember the book very well, but

836
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:12.920
<v Speaker 4>there's certain things that we know when you close your eyes,

837
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 4>like oh, I think there was like a snowy mountains

838
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:18.599
<v Speaker 4>and stuff, and there they are, but like it goes

839
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:21.880
<v Speaker 4>so fast through all these things, like it becomes an

840
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 4>epic adventure where he then goes off to find the

841
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 4>monster and you know, we're in like snow snowcap mountains

842
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.199
<v Speaker 4>and things, and then the next scene that they're talking

843
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:33.199
<v Speaker 4>in a cave and then the next scene is it

844
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:37.679
<v Speaker 4>all happens so fast it's crazy for me that like,

845
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 4>what's happened.

846
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:40.880
<v Speaker 2>To this film? Yeah, you know what's funny? Okay, So

847
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:43.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the work of Steph Lady all that much,

848
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.039
<v Speaker 2>but I do know Frank Darebyn's work, and he should

849
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:50.320
<v Speaker 2>have motherfucking known better because structurally this movie is so

850
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.360
<v Speaker 2>concerned with and I think this is owing to the

851
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:58.599
<v Speaker 2>bram Stokers Dracula of but all, it's so concerned with

852
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:01.159
<v Speaker 2>telling the aspects of the book that hadn't been told

853
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:06.440
<v Speaker 2>before as a novelty that it ends up overstuffed, so

854
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:10.079
<v Speaker 2>we end up skimping on things that we need, which

855
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:13.960
<v Speaker 2>it's so busy jumping scene to scene to plot point

856
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.840
<v Speaker 2>to plot point that you know, Yeah, in the book,

857
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Victor is searching in the mountains for the monster and

858
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.119
<v Speaker 2>then they end up in his cave and then they

859
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>have a conversation. But like we we don't look when

860
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.639
<v Speaker 2>the monster showed up at the manor and said, I'll

861
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:34.000
<v Speaker 2>meet you on the frozen sea, and then okay, so

862
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.599
<v Speaker 2>then we've got a scene of him fucking mountain climbing,

863
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:38.159
<v Speaker 2>and then we've bet in the tax scene, and then

864
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.400
<v Speaker 2>he's got to wake up and slowly come to and

865
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:44.480
<v Speaker 2>now we're in the cave. He's standing there. Right then, Victor,

866
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I need a mate. I'm going to keep killing people

867
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:50.360
<v Speaker 2>until you give me a mate to have the conversation

868
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.280
<v Speaker 2>right that. Why did we need that sequence other than

869
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.599
<v Speaker 2>here's what happened to the book, y'all, and nobody's done this,

870
00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:57.400
<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to do.

871
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:01.519
<v Speaker 4>It, and I did mention I'm at the beginning of it,

872
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:04.480
<v Speaker 4>and I don't want a really long film. I just

873
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:06.559
<v Speaker 4>don't like it until I'm in a film that I'm

874
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:08.559
<v Speaker 4>really enjoying. Then I just wanted to go on forever.

875
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 4>But it felt like a cheat to just like skip

876
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 4>so quickly, like that whole sequence, which should have been

877
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:20.679
<v Speaker 4>like twenty minutes or something like maybe five. Maybe, you know,

878
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:23.719
<v Speaker 4>It's just I thought it was crazy the way we

879
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:24.719
<v Speaker 4>just did that.

880
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:26.800
<v Speaker 2>The entire lead up to them in the cave, and

881
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.679
<v Speaker 2>conversation should have been spent in conversation, because when de

882
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Niro is telling him his woes, I'm very locked in.

883
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:38.239
<v Speaker 2>People who said he's miscast, by the way, I want

884
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.480
<v Speaker 2>to reiterate, are idiots. He's great here.

885
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:46.519
<v Speaker 4>I only ever hear de Niro's voice one time, one time,

886
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:49.920
<v Speaker 4>and it's weird when it slipped through, and it is

887
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:55.119
<v Speaker 4>in that is in that monologue. It just slips once.

888
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 4>But how I mean, with that voice, how can you

889
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:02.599
<v Speaker 4>help it right? But I just say, it's so convincing.

890
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm so convinced he is the monster. Although and I

891
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:09.880
<v Speaker 4>want to get to something about it. The makeup design

892
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.440
<v Speaker 4>doesn't make sense. Nope, it's not very good.

893
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.199
<v Speaker 2>It's once again, just as Broano was, I'm going to

894
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:21.559
<v Speaker 2>do muscular, athletic Victor Frankenstein. We have to not in

895
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.880
<v Speaker 2>any way do what they've done before with this monster,

896
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.000
<v Speaker 2>which is very limiting. It's been done. The character has

897
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:32.400
<v Speaker 2>been drawn and sculpted and makeuped over sixty years by now,

898
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:36.119
<v Speaker 2>seventy eighty years by now. So yeah, you got to

899
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:39.559
<v Speaker 2>do something different, but maybe just make it scary because

900
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:41.639
<v Speaker 2>he needs to be scary. As it is, it looks

901
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:45.079
<v Speaker 2>like a man who was involved in an accident. Yeah,

902
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 2>the townspeople's reactions to him are Yeah, little children would

903
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:53.679
<v Speaker 2>point and cry, certainly, and people would have some yeah,

904
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:56.400
<v Speaker 2>of course, and people would have some rude things to say.

905
00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:58.280
<v Speaker 2>But it wouldn't be like, oh my god, it's a monster.

906
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.840
<v Speaker 2>If you saw born Karlov coming down the street, yeah,

907
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:10.559
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna run, Christopher leaven and I wouldn't also, you know,

908
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:12.039
<v Speaker 2>we'd be like, come on, dude, let's go.

909
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm just going out on the time with you. But

910
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:19.639
<v Speaker 4>at the same time, and they do it again with

911
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:22.320
<v Speaker 4>Boncar spoilers at the end.

912
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:23.400
<v Speaker 2>They do it with.

913
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:25.519
<v Speaker 4>Her at the end where there was no reason for

914
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:30.400
<v Speaker 4>the cuts on the face to be stitched up. Because

915
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.559
<v Speaker 4>there's no reason for the cuts to be on the face.

916
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:36.360
<v Speaker 2>It's no. They tried to do this thing where they

917
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.239
<v Speaker 2>light her head on fire and then we want those burns,

918
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:42.239
<v Speaker 2>but we don't because we want her to be monstrous,

919
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.840
<v Speaker 2>and the only way to be monstrous is stitching. But

920
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 2>they light they lit her head on fire, they've melted

921
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.639
<v Speaker 2>her face. She's not looking great. I think that'll do

922
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.960
<v Speaker 2>it right, Yeah, but oh no, let's stitch up an eye.

923
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:59.079
<v Speaker 2>We haven't seen that before, Like, how about make her sexier?

924
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:01.079
<v Speaker 2>How about that go on all the way? It makes

925
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:04.360
<v Speaker 2>it seem like something we haven't seen dead after fucking Bardess.

926
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.119
<v Speaker 4>Very very annoying because I mean, you said it. There

927
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:13.400
<v Speaker 4>are so many things in this film that could be

928
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:18.519
<v Speaker 4>the best ever Frankenstein film for me, and it just

929
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.800
<v Speaker 4>fails at certain moments that are like, Wow, why did

930
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:24.119
<v Speaker 4>you do that? I don't understand why you did. It

931
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:26.519
<v Speaker 4>was unnecessary to do it, but they did.

932
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Well.

933
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:29.400
<v Speaker 4>I want to look at this bit of my note

934
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.440
<v Speaker 4>because I don't know why I've said it. Oh I do.

935
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.800
<v Speaker 4>It's the mountains. I got extremely angry in my notes

936
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 4>when he was in the mountains. It's like, why are

937
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:40.880
<v Speaker 4>we here? Two minutes ago he was at home, Like this.

938
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Is too quick. Now we'll go to the Alps for

939
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:49.159
<v Speaker 2>some reason? What walk we can? I tell you the

940
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.960
<v Speaker 2>scariest part of this movie, please, The fucking staircase in

941
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Frankenstein manor that railingless giant staircase in the house, terrifying.

942
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Imagine walking in night and go I gotta go down

943
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:09.840
<v Speaker 2>and get a sandwich and waa another one. When are

944
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:11.159
<v Speaker 2>we getting a railing Papa?

945
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:13.960
<v Speaker 4>That I've made a note of it because I was

946
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.400
<v Speaker 4>it was the best thing about the first forty minutes

947
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:19.760
<v Speaker 4>I thought was that staircase agreed. There was a moment

948
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:23.360
<v Speaker 4>where they have a row and Bonco runs up it

949
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:25.320
<v Speaker 4>and like she's like, wow, this could be a long

950
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:26.760
<v Speaker 4>scene and it fights out.

951
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:33.239
<v Speaker 2>It fights out on her. They had to. I think overall,

952
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:35.559
<v Speaker 2>the production design in this movie is beautiful. I thought

953
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.760
<v Speaker 2>they did a great job. The costumes are fucking fantastic.

954
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.599
<v Speaker 2>They're a little too cost to me, a little two

955
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:44.760
<v Speaker 2>sometimes it looks like they were just made. But I

956
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:48.679
<v Speaker 2>will say, of if there's a problem with Frankenstein's makeup,

957
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:50.880
<v Speaker 2>there's no problem with that great cloak that they put

958
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:55.280
<v Speaker 2>him in. That's fantastic looking and menacing as hell. Costumes

959
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.239
<v Speaker 2>overall really great. My problem with it is that Branna

960
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:02.360
<v Speaker 2>is going for He wants it to be grubby and

961
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:06.239
<v Speaker 2>gross because the times were grubby and gross. But he's

962
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:10.960
<v Speaker 2>so hung up on melodramatic epic that he can't get

963
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:13.159
<v Speaker 2>out of his own way. He shoots this movie like

964
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:17.679
<v Speaker 2>he would eventually shoot his version of Hamlet. It's very

965
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:24.159
<v Speaker 2>softly focused in lit in places, so even when they're

966
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:26.920
<v Speaker 2>like rolling around in the dirt in the alleyways. It

967
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:31.199
<v Speaker 2>doesn't look all that, it doesn't look unsanitary. It looks

968
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:33.679
<v Speaker 2>like they're gonna wash that off because they're actors in

969
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:34.159
<v Speaker 2>a movie.

970
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:38.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, even when he is in the shed next to

971
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:42.039
<v Speaker 4>the pig sty, like he's literally living in a pig sty,

972
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:44.559
<v Speaker 4>it seems all right. It seems like, well, that's the

973
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 4>best time that you know, he's ever going to have

974
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:53.000
<v Speaker 4>in fact, in his sorry life. So yeah, I don't know,

975
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:55.519
<v Speaker 4>And we've got it. Before we finish this, we need

976
00:55:55.559 --> 00:56:00.199
<v Speaker 4>to mention the ending. This film's bookended, much like the

977
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:04.119
<v Speaker 4>book is book nded. Yes, so with regards to it,

978
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:08.559
<v Speaker 4>we've got different set of characters. We're on an expedition

979
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:10.840
<v Speaker 4>to find I think it was a north Pole. I

980
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:15.840
<v Speaker 4>think that's where we're going, and they come across Frankenstein

981
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:20.679
<v Speaker 4>and the monster. Now I know how cynical it was

982
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.800
<v Speaker 4>to put it all in there, like because he wanted

983
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:24.280
<v Speaker 4>to do things that hadn't been seen before.

984
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:25.360
<v Speaker 2>But I really liked it.

985
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:27.800
<v Speaker 4>I liked the whole idea of that, and I've got

986
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:31.960
<v Speaker 4>nothing against it, no problem with it at all. In fact,

987
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:36.119
<v Speaker 4>rather enjoyed the way that was done. So I'm okay

988
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:39.440
<v Speaker 4>with it again. With the reviews, a few people were

989
00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:41.880
<v Speaker 4>saying it's unnecessary and I wouldn't mention it unless it

990
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 4>was if it was one, But there was a few

991
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:45.960
<v Speaker 4>people saying it was a bit like just added on

992
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:47.599
<v Speaker 4>to pad out the running time.

993
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.199
<v Speaker 2>And I don't see that. I'm sort of I don't

994
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:52.360
<v Speaker 2>feel one way or another about it. Like I did

995
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:58.159
<v Speaker 2>appreciate seeing it portrayed. I just think it fumbles the

996
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:02.360
<v Speaker 2>ball in the scared department because being trapped on this

997
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.280
<v Speaker 2>ship in the ice and this madman climbs aboard and

998
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:10.239
<v Speaker 2>now there's a monster out there that wants him. What

999
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:13.559
<v Speaker 2>a potent setup for the rest of this movie while

1000
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:17.239
<v Speaker 2>he's telling the tale, Yes, as the monster is getting

1001
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:20.360
<v Speaker 2>more and more crew members just because it wants this guy.

1002
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Like it could have been fucking great. But what we

1003
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:25.360
<v Speaker 2>get is him just it is a book end. It's

1004
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:28.039
<v Speaker 2>here's my story and then at the end, don't do

1005
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:28.639
<v Speaker 2>what I did.

1006
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:35.199
<v Speaker 4>Okay, we do get an iconic sort of it's almost

1007
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 4>like a painting of the monster's death, and like, I

1008
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:42.199
<v Speaker 4>really did enjoy that, and I wrote, Okay, that looks iconic.

1009
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:45.960
<v Speaker 4>I like that we're talking about the bonfire yeah. Yeah,

1010
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:49.079
<v Speaker 4>we're talking about like what they call it, like a

1011
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.920
<v Speaker 4>pire a funeral. Yeah, so I like that, and like

1012
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:57.000
<v Speaker 4>the whole way like that that's his like father and burning,

1013
00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:59.719
<v Speaker 4>and then he's burning within it as well, and just like,

1014
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:03.719
<v Speaker 4>oh man, that looks good, okay, and then it's sort

1015
00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:06.960
<v Speaker 4>of as it finished. It just left me so conflicted

1016
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:10.400
<v Speaker 4>about what i'd seen because those moments that I enjoyed,

1017
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:12.960
<v Speaker 4>I didn't just enjoy. I enjoyed it like it's my

1018
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:17.440
<v Speaker 4>favorite ever film enjoyment. I loved certain moments, But I've

1019
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:20.639
<v Speaker 4>never had that experience with a film that just pissed

1020
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:22.840
<v Speaker 4>me off so many times.

1021
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:26.679
<v Speaker 2>It's the weirdest experience. It's a complicated film in that

1022
00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:30.320
<v Speaker 2>regard because it is so clumsy for so long, but

1023
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.199
<v Speaker 2>then when it shines, it really shines. The moments that

1024
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:37.360
<v Speaker 2>I've mentioned that I really enjoyed I were magnified a

1025
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.440
<v Speaker 2>thousand times on the rewatch. So I understand what you're saying.

1026
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:43.599
<v Speaker 2>It's a bad movie, though, Paul, don't kid yourself. It's

1027
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:46.920
<v Speaker 2>number two next to the original the OG. No, Well,

1028
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.000
<v Speaker 2>you are so wrong. I hear you popping off about

1029
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:51.639
<v Speaker 2>stuff all the time. We're not even going to bring

1030
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.960
<v Speaker 2>up Young Frankenstein right now. But now you've just gone

1031
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:58.559
<v Speaker 2>too far by even putting this in your top five.

1032
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Frank and Stein should be on your list before this movie.

1033
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:10.599
<v Speaker 4>Ow day, Okay, I will try Young Frankenstein again, though,

1034
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 4>because I think it's my most common email that I

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<v Speaker 4>get is people just tell me I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So because you are. This is just two ways about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, but Father Malone, where are you gonna take

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00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:26.519
<v Speaker 4>us for a double bill?

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<v Speaker 2>Where's it going for? You stole Franken Hooker from me,

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00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:33.480
<v Speaker 2>so I'm not gonna go there. Although that's a natural

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00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:35.599
<v Speaker 2>that movie has a problem just because it has that

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00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:38.719
<v Speaker 2>goomba character, that fucking guy who showed up in a

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00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:41.840
<v Speaker 2>bunch of trauma movies for two seconds, that which which

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00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:44.679
<v Speaker 2>admittedly is a character you've never seen in a horror

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00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:49.000
<v Speaker 2>movie before the what is this ship? What's doing over there? Monster?

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00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Or what? We haven't really seen that guy. I guess

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00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:53.599
<v Speaker 2>we did back in the Dead End Kids days of

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00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:57.880
<v Speaker 2>the anyway, So not Franken Hooker. But I based on

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00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:04.199
<v Speaker 2>the characterization of the monster how he's presented dramatically here,

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01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:06.119
<v Speaker 2>which I think is the best part of the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>I would recommend not a movie, but a television series

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01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:14.480
<v Speaker 2>that would be Penny Dreadful, where it's basically a monster

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01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.679
<v Speaker 2>mash team up thing where that we've were mixing and

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01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:22.079
<v Speaker 2>matching all of the Victorian horror characters. There is a

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01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Mina Harker character, and a there's a Wolfman and a

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01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:29.519
<v Speaker 2>Dracula and Frankenstein. There's a Victor Frankenstein who is the

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01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:33.400
<v Speaker 2>more sort of drug addicted ready portrayal of what he

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01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:36.960
<v Speaker 2>would probably actually be like. And the monster, on the

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01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:41.159
<v Speaker 2>other hand, is fucking fantastic and just as soulful and

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01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:46.079
<v Speaker 2>as vicious and unpredictable as he would actually be. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want the true Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, take a

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01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:52.519
<v Speaker 2>step outside that book entirely and check out what they

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01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.639
<v Speaker 2>were doing on Penny Dreadful for two seasons. It's fucking phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 2>So I found that.

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<v Speaker 4>In a in this country it's called pound Land for

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01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:04.880
<v Speaker 4>both seasons. I got it for a pound So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I love that. And it was because I watched episode

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<v Speaker 4>three I think it was, and I found it like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh hello, like what's this and then I've never watched it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just sitting there gathering dust.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my no continue continue. In fact, when what they'll

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01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:24.800
<v Speaker 2>eventually get to it spoilers everybody. But this is only

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01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:27.400
<v Speaker 2>sort of sauce for the Goose. I think we get

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01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:32.079
<v Speaker 2>to meet the monster before we go flashbacks to his

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01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:38.000
<v Speaker 2>life prior to dying and becoming the monster, and interactions

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01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.559
<v Speaker 2>with other characters on the show that we did not

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01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:44.079
<v Speaker 2>know they had any interaction at all. It's really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really good. And I cannot remember the actor's name

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01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:49.400
<v Speaker 2>right now, but I know he's the son of a

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01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.079
<v Speaker 2>famous other actor and ah, it's killing me.

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<v Speaker 4>Nevertheless, he's really good. The final thing with it, how

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01:01:55.920 --> 01:02:00.400
<v Speaker 4>long is this two seasons? Is it like like a

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01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:02.599
<v Speaker 4>twenty two like an X Files thing or is it? No?

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01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Thank god they were following the British model by then,

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01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.880
<v Speaker 2>this was a showtime series, so I think there are ten,

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01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:12.519
<v Speaker 2>maybe twelve episodes per season. Okay, but you know what,

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01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:14.840
<v Speaker 2>you know what, every hour you devote to the show

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01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:19.360
<v Speaker 2>is going to be worth your time. Okay, I'll come mind,

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01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:23.840
<v Speaker 2>young Frankenstein, give it a chance. Well, for my double bill,

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01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I went for may Oh, just excellent flick. I love

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01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:33.599
<v Speaker 2>that movie. She's She's creepy as hell. Angela madness. I

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01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:36.920
<v Speaker 2>believe you know it. Yeah, I don't know why she

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01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.800
<v Speaker 2>wasn't more popular. If she had made the scene right now,

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01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:42.880
<v Speaker 2>she'd be a huge fucking star. She'd be a goth superstar.

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01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:46.039
<v Speaker 2>She was right on the cusp there before goth culture

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01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:53.679
<v Speaker 2>really exploded. Yeah, she scares me. Actually, she's more just her.

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01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:57.719
<v Speaker 4>The way about her in May is more scary than

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01:02:57.760 --> 01:02:59.719
<v Speaker 4>the whole of this film that we've been talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Just her in any given scene. I agree.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, father mellow, thank you very much for chatting with

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01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:09.239
<v Speaker 4>me about missus Mary Shelley and her Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 2>Always a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I've only just discovered this thing. I found it

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01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:22.239
<v Speaker 4>on YouTube, so I can't really say if I like.

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01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:23.599
<v Speaker 2>It or not yet.

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01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:26.719
<v Speaker 4>Whilst I was watching a film, it was way too much.

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01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:31.079
<v Speaker 4>It was way overbearing. But I've listened to it once

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01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:35.280
<v Speaker 4>already and I think it's okay separated from the film

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01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:37.519
<v Speaker 4>so far, but it needs a few more spins now.

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<v Speaker 4>This is only one of four horror movie scores that

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01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:44.599
<v Speaker 4>Patrick Doyle has actually bothered scoring. Not a very huge

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01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:47.639
<v Speaker 4>horror fan this one. But the other one that he's

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01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:50.360
<v Speaker 4>done is a two thousand and six take on Jekyll

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01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:54.800
<v Speaker 4>and Hyde, a scary kids film called Igor and Stephen

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01:03:54.880 --> 01:04:00.000
<v Speaker 4>King also ran adaptation called Needful Things, so there's his reports.

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<v Speaker 4>Whilst I already know Needful Things, I don't really rate

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01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.039
<v Speaker 4>that score. This one's already a lot better and I've

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01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:07.599
<v Speaker 4>only listened to it once. But as I say, I

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01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:10.360
<v Speaker 4>can't be a judge. It's not fair. Perhaps you can, though,

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01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:12.719
<v Speaker 4>As I say, I found it on YouTube. So where

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01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:13.920
<v Speaker 4>can you find this film to watch?

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01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Though?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, a few months ago you're able to watch this

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01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:20.239
<v Speaker 4>for free on Pluto, but it's now left that streaming service,

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01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:22.280
<v Speaker 4>so I don't know. I don't know how you're going

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01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:24.519
<v Speaker 4>to watch yours for free right now. I guess we've

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01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:27.320
<v Speaker 4>just got to suck it up and spend some cash.

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<v Speaker 4>As for podcasts, well, in twenty eighteen August Rewind podcast

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01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:37.119
<v Speaker 4>they focused almost two hours on this beauty and it's

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01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:40.079
<v Speaker 4>a really good podcast. I would recommend that as well

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01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:42.559
<v Speaker 4>as well as maybe if you're in the mood, just

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01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:45.719
<v Speaker 4>listen to this one again, because myself and father alone

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01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:48.360
<v Speaker 4>we smashed it, if I say so myself. That is

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<v Speaker 4>Mary Shelley's Frankenstein