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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout Podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of March third,

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<v Speaker 1>we're continuing with Lost, Season two, episode eleven, The Hunting Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are they hunting?

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<v Speaker 2>You ask?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they're hunting Michael. And then they are themselves

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<v Speaker 1>being hunted and it's the Island. What do you want?

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<v Speaker 1>They're running out of titles.

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<v Speaker 2>And for an episode that was purportedly about Michael, it

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<v Speaker 2>was actually all about Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>Again. It was all about Jack, because really Honestly, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>everything about it about Jack? Hey? Had you heard that

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<v Speaker 1>he had kind of, I don't know, a savior complex.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that about him before? And that like

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<v Speaker 1>the easiest way to get him to take to take

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<v Speaker 1>a case is you might work a miracle yep, and

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<v Speaker 1>then have his father say no, no, no, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a bad idea, but boom, he's on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. So I think his dad was using some of

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<v Speaker 2>that reverse psychology on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not going to do this to be urge

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<v Speaker 1>to be a miracle worker. Who's what drives Jack? We

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<v Speaker 1>know this, We've known this, we will continue to know this.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael's missing. I could get him, only me, the rest

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<v Speaker 1>some of you can come along, but not UK Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>not you. And did we know this about Kate, That

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<v Speaker 1>she's the kind of person who would just come along

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<v Speaker 1>in it and then you know, get.

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<v Speaker 2>Get herself and kidnapped or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That was contribute ruinously to the whole of never just

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<v Speaker 1>such After like one week in the exciting world of

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<v Speaker 1>African drug trafficking, we are right back to the same

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<v Speaker 1>people and the same problems. Yes, we got it, we understand,

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<v Speaker 1>We're cool. And did you know that Sun didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>like her life before. Did you catch that by the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that she was going to leave her husband anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, it's just like this is we've taken an

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<v Speaker 1>interlude in the show to just before we go forward

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<v Speaker 1>in new exciting directions. We hope. We just want to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you remember this.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to just catch you up. I'm a couple

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<v Speaker 2>things just in case you haven't been paying attention.

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<v Speaker 1>How dare you underline them? You know? Yes, Michael not

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who thinks thinks they're real? Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we knew that. People keep taking his candle, Michael. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there's a reason.

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<v Speaker 3>For this, yes, goodness, Well why did the others like

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<v Speaker 3>kidnap and or kill people from the tail group?

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<v Speaker 1>But this group they're just like, Hattie, nice to see you,

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<v Speaker 1>give us your guns and go home. We don't have

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<v Speaker 1>we mean no ill will towards you. You let you

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<v Speaker 1>know the jungle. Why would they not have liked kidnapped

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<v Speaker 1>them or killed them or done anything else than just

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<v Speaker 1>mister friendly being friendly. I guess there's nobody good in

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<v Speaker 1>that group. They looked them over, then send them on

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<v Speaker 1>back to the beach. And if that were the case,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack would go, wait a minute, I've worked a miracle.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good. What are you talking about? She burned her father,

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm good. Sawyer's a con man. But me, look

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<v Speaker 1>at me. You want me right? You shouldn'tally kidnap me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But that that moment when Jack was like, there's

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<v Speaker 2>only one of you, and there's four of us, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the others just light up their little torches in

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<v Speaker 2>a big circle all around him, like, oh, feeling less

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<v Speaker 2>confident now, aren't you Jack?

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that easy to light up a torch with flame? No,

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<v Speaker 1>that they could all come on at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>like that, It's not like you prush a button. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a little okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Fine, yeah, but I thought it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was amusing. You knew that was come from

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<v Speaker 1>the moment he said that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh Jack.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>But from the parenting point of view, yes, since we

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<v Speaker 1>might as well at least get parenting pointers from this.

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<v Speaker 1>Since we're not getting that much plot though, I can

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<v Speaker 1>sit back and go, oh, Jack, you fool. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>work miracles. Yeah, I've done that, you know, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>am the eye can do I am uniquely blessed with

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<v Speaker 1>insight because I am a mother. I can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I will find the kid, I will fix the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I will go to the meeting and tell everybody what

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<v Speaker 1>they need to do. I know it all and can

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<v Speaker 1>make everything all right. Right, the kid has a fear.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to settle it. You know, sometimes it's a

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<v Speaker 1>burden to be that person to figure this out again,

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<v Speaker 1>I solve this problem. I have to work this miracle.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes it's like, no, wait, everything's gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I can do it, do it. I can make this work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine. It's fine, say blessing and a burden, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>A jack gets you kissed by the hot daughter in

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<v Speaker 1>the parking lot and then dumped by your wife. You know, right, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>Julie Bowen, she must have got that script and said

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<v Speaker 1>so I have to basically hit him with a blood

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<v Speaker 1>object twice. But just through my words. She's scandlin yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can't blame her because their wedding was not promising.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, at the same time, youch youch was that painful?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, did I not mention I'm leaving you? You could have

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<v Speaker 1>gone ahead and kissed her. It's fun and.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it wasn't just a hole, like you always need

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<v Speaker 2>someone to fix, which was the root of it. But oh,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, there's also somebody else in the picture,

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<v Speaker 2>like and he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, you couldn't have told me this yesterday. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>slept with the daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh. So a happy life before the island not so.

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<v Speaker 2>Much, right, But I'm guessing that's gonna be a theme.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is there anybody if we met anybody who was

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<v Speaker 1>like having a great time? Was a bummer, everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>everybody was doomed.

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<v Speaker 2>Was dealing with something.

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<v Speaker 1>But it'll all be okay now because Jack's gonna train

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<v Speaker 1>an army. It's gonna like import we arranged to have

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<v Speaker 1>another plane crew.

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<v Speaker 2>We've already got two. Can we get did.

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<v Speaker 1>He did he count how many torches went up? Just

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<v Speaker 1>so he knows what he's up against. He and Ana

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<v Speaker 1>Lucia are gonna start an army. That's that's the life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>You and whose army?

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<v Speaker 2>My arm that I told you I can fix it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it is. It is a parental thing to be

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<v Speaker 2>like I am defending these people.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care what it takes.

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<v Speaker 1>And when they're walking home and Kate, who has screwed

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<v Speaker 1>everything up, is trying to apologize, and it's like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>not now, right now, you have to you have to

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<v Speaker 1>wait until dad is not does not have steam coming zeros.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have to wait until mom doesn't have that

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<v Speaker 1>look on her face. You have to just wait. Just

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<v Speaker 1>be quiet, be quiet for a wild child, right, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy?

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<v Speaker 1>Very important?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to uh time, you're opposed to exactly choose your

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<v Speaker 2>time at well.

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<v Speaker 1>Where the person can actually hear you and is not

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<v Speaker 1>just still screaming at you in their heads. It's so predictable, Kate,

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<v Speaker 1>we expect better of you. She's very bad fugitive. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's been caught a number of times exactly, She's caught again.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, yeah, that's like a rookie mistake baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and this does seem to happen often on

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<v Speaker 2>this show, where like, oh, they just left, I'll catch

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<v Speaker 1>What will you?

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is a jungle.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like, how do you know the tracker?

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<v Speaker 2>I know? I mean, and she did really leave, like

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<v Speaker 2>right pretty soon after, but Jin was about to go.

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<v Speaker 2>He thought he could catch up.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how many people do we want to have roaming

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<v Speaker 1>around though, well, I Jin. I have to give respect

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<v Speaker 1>to Jin because he listened to his wife. Yes, you

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<v Speaker 1>saw that. There was a moment of calculation. Do I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a he man and go off with

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<v Speaker 1>my friends and fix things? Or do I want to

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<v Speaker 1>make my wife happy? And he made the right shoe. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>because probably your guys are going to go in the

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<v Speaker 1>jungle and screw stuff up. But your wife is very

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<v Speaker 1>good at being mad, and she could just speak in

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<v Speaker 1>English for the while and then you would have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what she was saying. So yeah, and when he

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<v Speaker 1>says he doesn't like being told what to do, and

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<v Speaker 1>she said that she didn't like it either, he said, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I could see I get it. All the moms watching

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<v Speaker 1>this are going yeah, all the wives are going yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how is it new?

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<v Speaker 2>Yikes?

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<v Speaker 1>But I was proud of him. He took that moment

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<v Speaker 1>to think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, he did. He counted to ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I want to go back the pit? Do I

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<v Speaker 1>want to? I think if he had gone, he would

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<v Speaker 1>be in a pit when he got.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly right over there, Sir Son would be taking

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<v Speaker 2>on the Anna Lucia role of I'm a dig a pit,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're not going to believe how deep this pit is. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>watch me, you've already seen her digging in the garden.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, she would be good at it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how she lost her wedding ring. But well, I

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<v Speaker 2>the wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>Ring might be going in the pit if he's going running,

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<v Speaker 1>rest up, running around and everybody there's enough crazy people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, and then we have, separately from all this,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bro time for Hurley and Charlie in the

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<v Speaker 2>hatch listening to records talking about girls like good times?

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<v Speaker 1>What was that that was? We have had more of that?

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<v Speaker 1>And I must go through the jungle to fix things.

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<v Speaker 1>Only I can bring Michael back. Yes, please calm down.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know I just Lock, you know, just gently

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<v Speaker 2>quietly pointing out. I don't think he wants to be found.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he wants anyone to come with him.

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<v Speaker 1>So in our parenting scenario, who is Lock? Is Lock

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<v Speaker 1>a friend who's trying to talk the mom down, or

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<v Speaker 1>is Lock the husband just going honey, Maybe we just

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<v Speaker 1>let it go for now. Maybe don't charge into the

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, he says, Who are we to tell

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<v Speaker 1>anyone what they can or cannot do? And indeed a

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<v Speaker 1>and it's always not always the right thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you have to lit people make their mistakes, as

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<v Speaker 1>Michael is almost certainly doing right now. Yeah, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from the moment Jack is like, well, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>fix this by running into the jungle and making things

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<v Speaker 1>twenty times worse. You feel like maybe you could do

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<v Speaker 1>without Michael. It's okay. Why why do we feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we have to round up the sheep every single time

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<v Speaker 1>one of them goes? Yesterday, it's an island. Where's he

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Yeah, couldn't get.

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<v Speaker 1>Off it with a raft, So probably he'll come back

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<v Speaker 1>at some point. Oh well, but not Jack.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack is.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack is the like all of us who have to

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<v Speaker 1>fix the things. Yep, that is me.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Jack, I am the problem. It's me, Yes, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, But that at some point they've only been there

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<v Speaker 1>two months, not even I think, Yeah, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like it's been forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and also like that, whenever the the other

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<v Speaker 2>his name's tom right, was, you know, giving them this

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<v Speaker 2>whole speech about like don't cross this line and this

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<v Speaker 2>is our island. This is our island. I was just

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for someone to be like, we didn't ask.

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<v Speaker 1>To be here, exactly, like, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're not an invading force when we are just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out what on earth this is about.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we tried to get away, you screwed it up,

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<v Speaker 2>so like why didn't you just let us go?

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<v Speaker 1>Those are all very good points. The others are also

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<v Speaker 1>sort of you'll do it my way kind of folks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, so that kind of parent.

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<v Speaker 1>Two pta moms knocking heads. It's gonna be trouble. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we should do it this way. No, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>holy cow, those fast light torches, they got to look

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<v Speaker 1>into those. That's a very dramatic presentation, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get your kids to pay attention here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, what is up next? Do we get anything

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<v Speaker 1>exciting us time? Let's see next Tuesday, we'll continue with

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<v Speaker 1>season two, episode twelve of Lost Fire plus water. Seems

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<v Speaker 1>like we've already had a lot of that, but okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fire putting the water out right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>is the water putting fire out or what is that

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<v Speaker 1>all about? Who are the flashbacks on for that one?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to notice big fine quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>He's let it be somebody other than Kate Jack or Sawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>You noticed that Locke was Charlie, Charlie Hey.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Sawyer the next week, you know, with Charlie.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that Charlie had a drug problem and

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<v Speaker 1>then he was a musician.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder about his little stash of Virgin Mary

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<v Speaker 2>statues are going to come into play.

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<v Speaker 1>He was off to the side glowering at Locke, who

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<v Speaker 1>was you know, chatting.

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<v Speaker 2>With Yes, he was not happy about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, that was the same for next week probably.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you notice that Locke was as they were,

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<v Speaker 1>just trapes in across the jungle, just apropos of nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>asking Sawyer about his name. Yes, but I wonder was

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<v Speaker 1>that about file it away? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So well, as I mentioned not not next the next

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<v Speaker 2>one is Charlie. But after that we get Sawyer again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, the tale people need to talk to their agent.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, come on, when do we get our flashbags? We've

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<v Speaker 1>been waiting over on the other side of the island

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<v Speaker 1>getting picked off by others. We want our flashbacks.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a flashback, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and echo, we got yes, Echo.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but still, I don't you gonna want to know

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<v Speaker 1>how Rosen Bernard met and had their little romance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to know more about them, but it's all

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<v Speaker 1>going to be sad and having it some way brought

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<v Speaker 1>them to this place, right again, Let them just enjoy themselves, right,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy their reunion without having to any psychodrama whatsoever. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So tomorrow we will be back to discuss a man

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<v Speaker 1>on the inside. We've had a lot of man on

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<v Speaker 1>the outside. Now tomorrow on the inside, and not in

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<v Speaker 1>a hatch either, No.

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<v Speaker 2>In a lovely apartment building.

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