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Speaker 1: This is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets.

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Speaker 2: Welcome the attitude. I'm your show host Michelle Bourne. Today

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we're going to talk about that thing. It fears me.

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One of the top fears I have is what to

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do when there is a disaster or emergency and you

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have to get your cat ready? What do you do?

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My guest today is amazing and I am so excited

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to introduce you to her. So stay tuned, we'll be

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right back.

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Speaker 3: You know the expression cats have nine lives? Well, what

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. I'd like to welcome doctor Debbiemandel. She

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is a member of the Red Cross Scientific Advisory Council

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and a veterinarian as well. Welcome doctor Debbie.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Can you share your background with your with us

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and also how you're involved with the Red Cross?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 5: I am an emergency and critical care specialist. I'm the

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director of the Emergency Service at the Ryan Vedinar Hospital

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of the University of Pennsylvania. I started working with the

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Red Cross really after Hurricane Katrina, when I think that

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was where everyone's eyes really opened up as far as

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people are not going to leave their pets during disasters,

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and so we started partnering. It started with books dog

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and cat first aid books and including emergency and disaster planning,

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and kind of opened up from there.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Debbie. Most people think of the Red Cross and

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association with helping people. How does the Red Cross get

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involved with helping furbage? You mentioned a book.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so the Red Cross actually helps in lots of

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different ways. When I started with them, we did revamp

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a dog and cat first aid book, but you know,

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then technology advanced a lot, and so the Red Cross

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we actually developed a dog and cat online first aid

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course and there is a pet first Aid app. The

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Pet first Aid app is broken down into a cat

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section and a dog section, and they teach you how

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to know what's normal how to take your cat's vitals

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help determine if your cat is experiencing a life threatening emergency.

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They go through CPR, choking, bleeding, and many common emergencies

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that cats can have and how you can respond. The

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Pet First Aid app also has information on preventative care

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and also emergency planning. It has a section specifically about

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being prepared for disasters and emergencies for cats. More than that,

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during disasters, the Red Cross also does everything they can

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to accommodate service animals and domesticated pets comfortably in their shelters. Sometimes,

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depending on the situation, pets may need to be housed

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in a different location with support from their animal welfare

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group partners. But they really do try to help. That's

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been an amazing journey.

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Speaker 2: So we're recording this in February twenty two. We've just

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experienced I think everybody all over the world was glued

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to Los Angeles with the fires. I've lived in Los

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Angeles experienced the fires, but nothing like that because they

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came catastrophic with the fierce winds, and I mean I

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think what it took almost what ten days or so

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for everything to be contained. It was just terrific. I

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remember Katrina. I've lived in South Florida with hurricanes, so

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experienced all that kind of craziness. You have time to

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repare earthquakes where you don't have time to prepare. How

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does the first Aid app help with those kind of situations,

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Because sometimes you have time to prepare for an emergency

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and sometimes you really don't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So the biggest thing that the Red Cross is

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always tells everyone, and the Pet First Aid app helps

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people do this is you need to be prepared, and

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so people should always include their cats in their disaster

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or emergency plans. They are part of our family. We

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know that people won't leave without them. So being prepared,

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like you said, knowing what you're going to do in

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a split second, along with if you have a lot

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of time to prepare, is super important and so hopefully

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you'll never need it, but you need to. You don't

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want to figure out how you're going to grab your

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cat and get out of the house if it's in

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the middle of an emergency. So emergency and disaster preparedness

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involves knowing what you're going to do if you need

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to move super fast, knowing how your cat is going

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to react, where they will hide, the easiest way to

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get them in a carrier, and knowing what to do

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if you need to leave home. And the Pet First

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dat up has sections on those.

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Speaker 2: You know, you just hit on a couple of things

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that I find so challenging. Is one, getting them in

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the carrier that you're a cat. I've had to cancel

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that appointments because of that, and also getting them out

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of hiding. Mine don't well, yeah, they do hide. I

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was going to say, they don't really hide that much.

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They just don't go in the carrier, but one of

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them does hide. And I like also the idea of

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being prepared, so you know how Yeah, but you're people

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first aid kit or emergency kit with your whatever you

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need to take with you your vitals. That should be the

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same for your.

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Speaker 5: Furbabe yep, yep, there's yep.

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Speaker 2: And then what should that include.

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Speaker 5: So for your pet, first aid kit and really supplies

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that you should have on hand if you need to

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evacuate or leave. If you want your medical records, including

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recent vaccinations, any medical conditions, any prescribed medications, your veterinarians

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name and number, out of area emergency contexts, a recent

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photo of your pet or pets cat or cats, a

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second collar with an ID and microchip information, and you

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can have all of that in a closed plastic bag.

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Your pet first aid kit can usually has things for

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emergencies like bleeding, a thermometer you want to and we

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can certainly talk about ways to figure out how to

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get your cat and where your cat hides, but all

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of the supplies that you would need to get your

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catser fast carriers, be it hard or collapsible carriers near

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an exit with all the supplies are super important. And

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then your disaster kit really would contain food and water bowls,

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a can opener if you have canned food, litter bags,

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things like that. Okay, and yeah, let's circle back to

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the carrier and the hiding cats, because when we have

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these natural disasters, even if you have time to prepare,

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you're still a little freaking you know, you're freaking out,

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You're absolutely you're worried about your fur babes, but yourself

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as well, and then your family members and all that.

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Speaker 2: And then on top of this, you have a nervous cat.

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You have to get the carrier that does not want

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to go in that carrier. So what are some things

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we could do so at least we could minimize that

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kind of anxiety for the humans and for.

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Speaker 5: The cats super stressful. So one of the things we

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say is the way you can figure out beforehand what

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works for you and your cat are to simulate an

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emergency and so having the smoke alarm go off so

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there's that really loud loud noise, and then seeing where

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your cat hides, and then once you see where they hide,

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you know, figuring out the best way is it a

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leash which you may have to use, a blanket to

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throw over them and put them on a carrier. All

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of the tricks that you need to figure out to

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get them out, even if you truly only have a

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split second, putting them in a pillowcase and running out

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of the house you know, obviously not if you have

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more time, but really any trick that you can think

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of as you're practicing will make it easier and hopefully

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obviously net you never ever have to do it, but

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at least you know the tricks that are the best

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to work for your cat or cats.

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Speaker 2: That's a great idea about the pillow case. I'm sure

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your cats freaked out once you do that, but it's

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better than your cat. You know, remaining behind and who

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knows what that's exactly option, So what do you do?

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great idea to leave them out, you know, don't just

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bring them out for the vet, but leave them out.

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One of my cats just I just tell him go in.

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He goes in and it's his chill at the vet.

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just jumped in and they said, that's what he does

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at Yeah, he's easy. That's amazing, I know. Right, he's

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partnering coon. So he was my first cat, so now

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he's much older, dude, but he still does that. And

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and they're not all like that, definitely not main Coons

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are called the dog of cats. So my other two

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one is fearful of everything, everything, even treats, and the

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other one, the other one, is a diva like a

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normal cat, you know. So I think the biggest thing

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for pet parents to understand is you're doing this to

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save your cat. It's an urgency. If your cat's a

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little upset or you get some scratches or something, you're

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just doing this to save your cat, the cat's pissed

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off and hides after then that's what happens. But you

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have to take care of business.

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Speaker 5: And that's why throwing a blanket over them and kind

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of scooping them up will protect you as well. And

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if you have to use a leash to kind of

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get them out again, it's it's just that you really

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have no other choice. You need to get them out

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and then scooping them in the blanket to protect yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good idea too. What about you mentioned

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also on the disaster kit food, So what about in

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cases of food, because the big thing now a lot

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of people like raw food or frozen food, and a

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lot of food trends on that kind of level. Well,

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if you have a disaster, you have to go with

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the kibble and the can.

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Speaker 5: Correct correct you really, you know, again, these are extreme circumstances.

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safe area to get the food that they're used to,

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that's great. But what if you can't get to that area.

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you need to provide the food. You want to make

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sure that they have food and so whatever whatever they

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like that's not what they're used to, and not that

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that's the best, but it's better than having no food.

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you want to have one to two weeks worth ideally

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that doesn't need to be refrigerated is going to be

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the best. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And what about water, same.

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Speaker 5: One to two weeks of you know, most people would

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have bottled water.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for themselves and their pets. Okay, we're going to

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take a quick break and we'll be right back. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk past. Let's done that.

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Speaker 2: Autopt Life Radio, HETLFE.

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Speaker 6: Radio, Petlife Radio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. We're talking to doctor Debbie Mandel. She

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is vet marian and also works with the Red Cross,

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and we're talking about what to do with your furbabes,

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especially your cats, of course, on catitude during an emergency.

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So here's another question for you, doctor Debbie. How do

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you know where to go with your pet? Because not

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everybody has a friend's home or a place that they

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Speaker 5: To absolutely and that is a super important point and

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part of your evacuation, your disaster preparedness is knowing where

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you're going to go in multiple directions in case roads

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are closed, and so figuring out which hotels are pet friendly, kennels,

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are boarding facilities, vet hospitals, family members friends. The Pet

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First Aid app has a vet locator if you're out

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of town, and a hotel locator. Also, do you have

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a neighbor that would be able to get your cat

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or cats and supplies if you aren't home, Including them

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and where you would meet them would be important during

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an emergency if there are multiple family members in the house,

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or multiple people in the house assigning each of them

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a different job, so one person gets the supplies, one

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person gets each cat or multiple cats. There are smoke

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alarms that actually send an alert to your phone so

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you can start contacting the necessary people. So really mapping

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it out in each direction where you might have to

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evacuate again beforehand is very important.

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Speaker 2: Those are great tips. What about cameras in your home?

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to see my cats and they're okay, there's no fire,

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everything's good. Our camera's helpful or it's just a tool,

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but it's not the main thing. No.

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Speaker 5: Actually, a lot of people have cat cams or pet cams,

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and it's actually been amazing the people who watch while

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they aren't home and see that there's an issue that

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arises being there, being sick or something like a true

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emergency or disaster. So yeah, they've been great. If you

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cannot be glued to it all day.

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Speaker 2: That happens sometimes that happens, or away really hard when

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you're away. Now we've talked about disasters that are you know,

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natural disasters, but there's also certain things. I mean, there's

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so many crazy things. There's shootings, there's you know, riots,

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there's terror, you know, terrorist attacks, there's all kinds of crazy.

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and a friend wanted me to evacuate because of where

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I lived. It was like an area not too far

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from where some of the craziness is going on. I said,

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I have this big dog, how can I evacuate? And

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I was actually pretty okay. Wasn't a really immediate situation

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that I had to leave, So I was okay, But

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what about when those situations strike, because those are really

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very anxiety provoking, maybe even more so than natural disasters.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, those are those are super scary. I mean, it's

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you know, it's it's always safe to evacuate, and it's

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safer to evacuate with your pets if there's a question

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then waiting it out and then not being able to evacuate,

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were okay, and it is when it's not directly at you,

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it's really hard to determine. But if there's any question,

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it's always safe to to evacuate, if you are waiting

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to hear if you should evacuate, getting your pets in

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one room, having the cats in their carriers or at

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least close to them, so you can leave at a

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moment's notice. Because if you don't evacuate and then you

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need to be rescued, it's going to be very difficult

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to impossible for your pets to come with you. So

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it may be that you end up not needing to evacuate,

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but it's always safer so and those are really tricky situations,

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you know. I would say getting as far away as

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possible is always the safest.

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Speaker 2: But it's hard. It is hard, and it's even hard

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sometimes with a natural disaster. And we saw that a lot,

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you know in Los Angeles televis where people didn't and

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rightly so they weren't sure should they leave or should

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they not, and the fire spread so fast that they

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barely you know, had time to prepare. I had a

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situation where I lived in LA for many years, moved

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back to South Florida. Was calling hurricanes earthquakes for a while,

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but this was, oh, I forget the name of this one.

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place I had was not in the hurricane areas where,

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especially in South Florida and most of Florida and other

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coastal areas. You know, you have impact windows, shutters and

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those kind of things in their necessity, and the house

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that I had didn't have any of those things. So

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I thought I'd better evacuate. So I have I did.

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I had a dog then no cat, but you know,

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I took out everything, loaded my car with whatever, just

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because you do need to be more prepared. You have to,

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just if you have the time to prepare, grab everything

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and go. And went to a family member's home who

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didn't live too far and he was my brother and

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sister in law were fined for me to bring the dog.

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I was really lucky, you know, I had time to prepare.

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I was able to get all of my dog's things

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and food and everything, because I think we had no

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power for three days. But I could just imagine as

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anxiety and stress that I provoked and distressed that I was,

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and that gave me time to think about what to do.

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boom and just you don't know until you know, you know.

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Speaker 5: And that's why having it all fit so you don't

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have to you're going to be so stressed in a

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thousand things that were going to be going through your mind.

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You just want to be able to have every thing

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all there. You know, know what you have to do

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because any kind of emergency, be it choking, CPR disasters,

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you know, the more you're prepared, the more you can

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just do it in in a very unfortunate emergency situation.

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Speaker 2: So practice, have it all set and just go okay, Now,

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what do you think about the stickers that you can

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put in front of your home that let's you know,

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first responders know that there's pets in the home. Should

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you not be there to take care of your pets

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or Yeah, it would be a situation where you're not

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there to take care of your pets.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and you should have them on the front window

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and the back window. Most of them say how many dogs,

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how many cats? How many other and you just want

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to make sure that it's up to date, you know,

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if you get new pets, you want to make sure.

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I use a dry erase marker to make sure the

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number of animals and types of animals are up to date.

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Speaker 2: But absolutely, yeah, I'm one of those. They're very handy.

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What should we not do during a emergency? Besides you know,

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be nervous.

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Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is not listening to what

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people are saying. You know, if people are saying evacuate,

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or people are saying get ready because you may need

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to evacuate, and thinking, you know, we saw lots of

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people like you said, try to write it out and

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many might be okay, but there are many that then

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become stranded or worse need to be rescued, and so

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really not listening is the worst thing that may happen.

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Speaker 2: So now this is just an opinion, but in your

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professional opinion, do you think they sometimes sensationalize some of

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this stuff on the news or not. I know with

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hurricanes they sometimes do living in hurricane land, but we

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also have time for this. But you also can never

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tell because things change. I use an app called Wunderground,

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and the last one I was on that, I was

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updating it every you know, like twenty minutes it was

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it was flued. But with other things, you you know, fires,

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you don't have that chance. Earthquake just happens. You don't

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even I mean, you have no notice pretty much. So

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do you think it's sensationalized when there's notice on the news,

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or it's just you know, I forget about that. Just

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if you hear about it, just listen and be prepared.

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Speaker 5: I really don't, you know, I think that once they

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hear that something might be really bad, it's it's their

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job to alert us. And so whether it's you just

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get everything ready and then you wait for the next update.

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I think that they really are just trying to have

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us be as prepared as possible. So if we're not home,

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we can go home, so we can get everything ready

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in that room you know, where you can leave quickly.

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you have no warning. And then there are others where

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well it depends on which way the storm is going,

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but if it takes that path and goes towards your house,

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you want to be.

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Speaker 2: Ready, Yes you do. And actually mister Zeus is in.

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He was my doggie. He's in Doggy Heaven, has been

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for almost five years. But I actually got him the

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eve of a hurricane in two thousand and five.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there are lots of pets that need homes after

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hurricanes and disasters.

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Speaker 2: Well he kept me company. Actually for this one. My

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home was prepared and it was we were safe. But

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you know, sometimes it's nice if you can write it

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out to have in a situation and it's not where

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you have to evacuate to have a fur babe. So

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it's a good incentive for people that are thinking of

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adopting to adopt, not to just be safe or in

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a hurricane, but just overall. Always agreed, I mean, it's

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always good to you know, hit reach out to the shelters.

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What would you say if you had one tip to

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tell our cat audience of what to do for an

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upcoming emergency disaster, you know, whatever it might be, what

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would you tell them?

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Speaker 5: Really, just know where where your cat hides and how

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they react. Some cats will, like you said, scratch and

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bite and that's their defense mechanism. You're freaking out there,

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freaking out best way to get them so that everybody

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is safe.

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic. Where can people find out more about how

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to be prepared for themselves and their furbabes? You mentioned

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the first Aid app? What is it called? Then? Where

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can people find it? So?

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Speaker 5: The Red Cross has a Red Cross Emergency app and

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that takes people through what to do before, during, and

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after a variety of severe weather and disaster situations. You

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can also set that app up to receive warnings in

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your neighborhood or where your loved ones live. The Red

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Cross Pet First Aid app has sectioned specifically for emergency

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and disaster preparedness to help burry family members and their owners.

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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful to hear all of this. This is

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such great information. Thank you so much for coming on Caatitude.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: I hope you all enjoyed this show. You know it's

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something we never want to think about, emergencies and disasters

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and natural disasters, but it's important to be prepared. Please

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be sure to check out the information at Redcross dot org.

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I want to thank doctor Debbiemandel for coming on Catitude.

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Thanks to everyone that listens to Tatitude. I very much

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appreciate my listening audience so much. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thanks to my cat crew Dennis, Charlotte and Mollie. Thanks

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to my producer who makes the magic happen and makes

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this show sound amazing for you. Thank you, Mark Winter,

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and hey remember lose Attitude, have Catitude.

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Speaker 1: Can you the