WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.759 Richard Smith is live in studio for an entire hour 2 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:05.200 on a jam packed Monday afternoon. 3 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:06.360 Smitie, Happy Monday, sir. 4 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:09.000 How are you? I'm doing great. How are you doing? 5 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:09.400 I'm good. 6 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:11.039 There's so many things that I wanted to talk to 7 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:13.759 you about. Let's start with a quick like JJ Spawn, 8 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:16.039 Oh my gosh moment, because you and I are both 9 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:20.600 golf fans, and it's interesting watching the best players in 10 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:24.800 the world just have no answers for the problems that 11 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:29.079 a coat of course like Oakmont presents. You know, the best, 12 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:31.079 the best players in the world. Some of them missed 13 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:34.759 the cut, most all of them fell apart, and JJ 14 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:37.600 Teeter two bogeying five of six and I wrote him off. 15 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:40.520 I'm like, okay, he he's not ready for this moment. 16 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:43.799 Sam Burns probably feels hard done because of the ruling. 17 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:46.640 I mean, water was everywhere, Adam Scott falls apart, and 18 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:50.039 after the weather break, JJ Spawn rolls back into the 19 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:52.799 thing and wins it with a sixty footer on eighteen. 20 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:56.359 I mean, a life changing moment. It's my favorite thing 21 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:59.560 about watching sports like that. Dude's life just changed right there. 22 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:00.920 How did you digest that moment? 23 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:04.920 It's the whole thing spens about a live theater, you know, 24 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.480 like you go to a Broadway show and you sit 25 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:09.760 down and there's been reviews of the show, and you're 26 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:11.959 going there because you're excited to see it, and you're 27 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:14.359 gonna be there for three hours, and you know what 28 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:17.640 you're gonna get in terms of entertainment, and you know 29 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:20.439 how how the play ends, right, the guy gets the 30 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:23.239 girl and everybody's happy at the end or whatever. You 31 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:27.480 know it's coming. But in sports, and you know, in 32 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:30.959 these kinds of moments, you have no idea what is 33 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.319 coming next. And for those guys to be put in 34 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:38.359 the position of the weather, the rain, the wind, you know, 35 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:42.439 Spawn goes out five bogeies in the first six holes. Okay, well, 36 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:45.280 you know it's just those are the conditions, and you 37 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:47.519 got to hit the ball in the fairway. You can't 38 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:49.640 get it out of the fairway, and if you do, 39 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:52.560 then you know everybody's in the same boat. And he 40 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:55.879 just held on and you know, grind and grind. And 41 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:58.959 then in thirteen and fourteen, there's like five guys all 42 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.000 tied for the lead and three other guys one shot back, 43 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.319 and so all these guys on the leaderboard had a 44 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.840 legitimate chance, with four or five holes to play, to 45 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:11.039 come out and grab it. Who's gonna grab it? 46 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:11.520 You know? 47 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:14.479 The one Masters I was fortunate enough to go to 48 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:17.360 Spens in twenty eleven. It was the same sat a 49 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:21.080 beautiful day, night's weather on that particular day, but it 50 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.360 was the same scenario on the leader board. Everybody had 51 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:27.479 a legitimate chance to come up and grab it. And 52 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:31.719 who does it? Of all people? Charles Schwartzel, who wins 53 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:34.800 his one Masters in twenty eleven, comes down the back 54 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:39.159 nine and goes birdie, Birdie, birdie on sixteen seventeen eighteen 55 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:42.520 and just runs by everybody, like in a horse race 56 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:46.000 analogy in the last you know, fifty yards, runs right 57 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:49.800 by everybody and ends up winning by half a length, 58 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.360 you know whatever. And so jj Spawn is a grinder, 59 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:56.560 thirty four year old guy, you know, a journeyman guy 60 00:02:56.599 --> 00:02:59.479 who's had some success, but one of those guys who's 61 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:01.599 really playing from year to year to just keep his 62 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:05.240 tour card. And he's able to grind something out on 63 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.599 a special Sunday afternoon for him, and then to do 64 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:10.719 it with that that putt that he didn't need. 65 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:13.120 The putt obviously he had to. He just had the 66 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:14.080 two putt to win it. 67 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:16.599 But for that thing to go in like it did, 68 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:19.039 for him to win and clinch it right at that 69 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:22.680 moment on the last stroke you take of a major, 70 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:27.000 that's that's your defining moment. That's what you're gonna have 71 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:30.199 to carry with you the rest of your life, which 72 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:31.280 which is a great. 73 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:33.319 Feeling, legendary. I mean, it was really and I don't know, 74 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:35.800 I didn't know much about JJ. I'd seen his name 75 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:37.879 near the top of the leader boards, he has one 76 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:39.879 on the tour before, and he's been right in the mix. 77 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:43.719 Do you think we've seen the birth of a star 78 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.199 on tour? I mean, he's got to be getting consideration 79 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:47.560 for the Ryder Cup now, doesn't he. 80 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:48.080 Yeah. 81 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:50.919 I mean he's he's uh, you know, he's in to me, 82 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.400 Spence is in a mix with there's a whole bunch 83 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:56.479 of guys that are like him. Okay, not to diminish 84 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:58.400 what he did, and not the diminish him as a 85 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:01.439 play He's a he's a regular, a tour player, but 86 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:04.840 he he has been a grinded out kind of guy 87 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:08.080 and he has been, you know, from year to year, 88 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:11.719 really has been playing to get in a mix every 89 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:15.280 now and then, but mostly to have enough success to 90 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.800 be in the one twenty five so he can keep 91 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.480 his tour card and keep going the next year. Right, 92 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:23.920 And so now he's thirty four years old. He gets 93 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:27.519 on top of this mountain at the moment, and he 94 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:29.399 should be feeling really good. 95 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:30.160 About it, you know. 96 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:32.120 But there are a lot of those guys, whether it's 97 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.240 Gary Woodland who did it several years ago, you know 98 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:38.199 in LA You know guys who come up and they 99 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.759 win there one Charles Schwartz I just mentioned in twenty eleven. 100 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.560 You know Mike Weir, who's a long time pro, who's 101 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.240 one of our favorites from from the local area. You know, 102 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:50.040 who won the Masters, you know when his one major. 103 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:54.040 You know, these guys who are who are great, excellent 104 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:58.439 golfers on the PGA Tour, but there's always something that 105 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.920 separates them from the real top guys. 106 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:03.639 And it's such a fine line. 107 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:06.879 And you played seventy two holes and like we saw 108 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.439 this this past weekend, and you played in the in 109 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:12.759 the all kinds of weather conditions, and the thing that 110 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:18.519 separates you from the next guy is a sixty five 111 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:23.120 foot pot is it, or or as one missed fairway 112 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.639 where you had to hack it out just another thirty 113 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:29.360 yards to get back and play, and that costs you 114 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.319 an extra stroke and now you lose the tournament. 115 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:33.639 By one or two or whatever. 116 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:36.720 You know, It's just it's just that's how thin that 117 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:40.279 line is over a four day period with the top 118 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:44.560 golfers in the world. That's that's what makes it so daunting. 119 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.399 But that's also what makes it so exhilarating as a 120 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:49.360 fan to watch that live theater. 121 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:51.959 Yeah, I thought I thought it was awesome. I was captivated. 122 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:55.480 All right, Smitty, let's start here and then we'll kind 123 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:59.199 of move it into a direction and involve our local 124 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:01.720 basketball team, the Utah Jazz. H. 125 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:03.639 So there's a method of the madness stick with us. 126 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:08.319 So kind of us shocking trade, kind of a trade 127 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:10.560 that nobody saw coming. It was announced yesterday and made 128 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.879 official that the Memphis Grizzlies traded Desmond Bane to the 129 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:16.920 Orlando Magic for Contavious called Well Pope call Anthony for 130 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:20.680 unprotected first round picks and one first round pick swap. Okay, 131 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:23.680 So let's start with what that says to you of 132 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:25.600 the mentality of the Memphis Grizzlies. 133 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:28.839 Why does Memphis do this deal? Well, I think probably what. 134 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:31.600 They're looking at is is that they're trying to a 135 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.879 get off some money, okay, trying to manage their their 136 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:39.720 books a little bit. B They look at what they've 137 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:42.800 got going and they see, Okay, we're in the middle 138 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:46.439 of the mix, but we don't really have anything that's 139 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.800 going to jet propulse us, you know above and you know, 140 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.480 to get in the top three or four teams that 141 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:55.759 you know, if everybody's healthy in the league, which you 142 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.439 never can count on. And so we're making a calculated 143 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:04.279 guestimate that that it's gonna be better for us as 144 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:07.279 long as we can get Morant and Jackson on the floor. 145 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:10.399 And we have two guys, okay, all right, we're giving 146 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:13.519 up our third guy. All right, maybe we can find 147 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.639 another third guy somehow, Like they found Bain, who was 148 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.959 an early second round pick. And we're talking all all 149 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.600 spring Spence about the draft and missing out on the 150 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:25.839 top pick and having the fifth pick, and you know, 151 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:27.519 what are we doing when I can get a guy 152 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:30.160 and whatever? You know, Desmond Baine, it was an early 153 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:33.399 second round pick, you know, by Memphis and were always 154 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.439 talking about you can find guys, but that's what your 155 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:38.519 job is. When you're in that position. You have to 156 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:42.959 go identify them, you have to evaluate them, and then 157 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:46.120 you have to figure out a way to procure them. 158 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.319 And uh, you know, Memphis is looking at it, I 159 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:52.279 think probably in saying, well, you know, if we we 160 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:55.480 can keep on Morant and Jackson for the next several years, 161 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:59.399 then we have to just find another third guy and 162 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:03.199 maybe we can get in another trade, or maybe maybe Cacp. 163 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:04.800 I don't think he's that guy, but I think he's 164 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.600 a good rotation guy now in his career. But maybe 165 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:10.160 we find another young guy that we like to get 166 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:12.759 in the mix, or maybe we get lucky in the draft, 167 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:14.839 or maybe there's a guy we see in the draft 168 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:17.439 that nobody else is seeing and we got him in 169 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:19.600 our back pocket. So we're gonna go ahead and make 170 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:21.879 this move because we think we can get. 171 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:22.639 That guy, you know. 172 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:24.920 And again, who that would be, I don't know, but 173 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:29.040 you know, that's that's one possible scenarios. They've identified a 174 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:32.039 guy they like that they're they're hearing around the league 175 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:34.679 nobody else is even talking about. And you know, so 176 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:37.279 if they can get another Bane like they did at 177 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.960 thirty one, thirty two, whatever it was several years ago, and. 178 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:42.440 Uh, and do something like that. 179 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.039 Then you know, then they're they're feeling like they're they're 180 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:48.000 getting their books down, but they're also giving themselves some 181 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.879 more flexibility going forward to build that roster out and 182 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.159 try and be competitive as long as Morant and Jackson 183 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:56.399 are there to help them. 184 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:57.919 So I'm glad you brought that up. One more thing, 185 00:08:57.919 --> 00:08:59.879 and then we're gonna bring the jazz angle into this. 186 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:04.639 I've heard and read several people's surmise Memphis is open 187 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:06.639 for business, this is a yard sale. 188 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:08.159 I don't read it that way. 189 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:11.600 Jaws under contract through twenty eight, and you know, it's 190 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.919 actually kind of a reasonable deal for who he is 191 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:15.080 when his mind is right. 192 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:17.679 And I don't know what sort of market there would 193 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:18.240 be for him. 194 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.720 I would say, prior to all the gun chaos and 195 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:23.600 off court bs, there was probably a robust market for 196 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:26.080 a talent like that at his age. I don't know 197 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:27.960 what sort of calls they would receive if it was 198 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:30.759 out there that he's available. Jaron Jackson Junior is up 199 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.240 for a contract extension. He's going to get paid. I 200 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.600 believe he's up for the Supermax because he won Defensive 201 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.559 Player of the Year. Right, So look, if they put 202 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.000 Jared Jackson Junior on the table, I think they get 203 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:42.399 a lot of phone calls. I don't know that they 204 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:44.600 get a ton for JA right now, But I don't 205 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:47.240 know that. I read this as Memphis is now open 206 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:48.879 for business and everyone's available. 207 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:49.879 What's your take on that? 208 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.480 Yeah, well it could be you know, maybe there maybe 209 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:55.279 they're going to take a page out of the Utai 210 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:58.799 Jazz book and just trade all their guys and start over. 211 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.240 Because they're looking at the g and landscape from thirty 212 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:04.919 thousand feet and saying, well, let's see, okay, see the 213 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:07.960 youngest team in the league, and they're they're about to 214 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.440 maybe win a championship, and San Antonio is about to 215 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.840 get a guy another guy, and they're all all of 216 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:15.919 a sudden going to make a big leap, and they're 217 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.480 young guys. And then and then we've got the Denver 218 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:20.600 is still sitting there in the in the weeds. And 219 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.440 then we get you know, Golden States, or they just 220 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.399 got Butler with you know, we got Dallas just and 221 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:29.679 they're looking and going, well, where are we going? We 222 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:32.840 can't get anywhere we're gonna get so yeah. So so 223 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.799 maybe they're looking at what the Jazz did a few 224 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.960 years ago and saying, hey, maybe while our guys are 225 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:43.840 you know, good and highly thought of, and we can 226 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:45.159 get something for him. 227 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:49.399 You know, maybe we do that thing because I don't 228 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:50.320 know where we're going. 229 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:52.559 You know, we with our group that we got, now, 230 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.519 we like them, we think they're competitive, but these other 231 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:01.080 guys are a step or two or three ahead of us. 232 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:04.600 So we can grind and play hard and have everybody 233 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:07.919 healthy and all that and end up you know in 234 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:11.000 six seven eight, and so where are we going? 235 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:13.879 You know. So there's that scenario because. 236 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:17.519 You have to always marry that idea spends the basketball stuff, 237 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:22.440 roster building with your financial and the business part of it. 238 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:25.759 And sometimes you have to look at and say, spending 239 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:30.320 this amount of money on this group for the expected 240 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:35.200 end result just doesn't make any sense. And so you know, 241 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:40.919 we're better off re calibrating a step or two and trying, 242 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.440 you know, maybe to reinvent ourselves on the fly. I 243 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.879 could see somebody saying, yeah, that's behind the closed doors, 244 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:49.080 that's what they're trying to do. 245 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.919 You know, I don't know, and I would also throw. 246 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.600 In the wrinkle that that I would guess that if 247 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:59.639 that's a scenario, that there's some weight on the idea 248 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:04.519 that you know, they've they've grown tired of the jahn morant, 249 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:08.759 you know, soap opera, and no matter how talented he is, 250 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:12.399 you know that it's just not worth you know, all 251 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.519 the heavy lifting it takes on the rest of the organization, 252 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:18.519 you know, to try and keep the ship going forward. 253 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:21.320 And so maybe it's just time to cut bait and 254 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:23.480 figure out what our plan B is. 255 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:24.720 So one more follow up. 256 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:26.279 Then we're going to bring the jazz into this, because 257 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:29.279 there's an interesting jazz portion concerning job. 258 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.080 And I can remember when. 259 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:37.080 And this isn't a fair parallel, a perfect parallel, but 260 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.799 you'll understand where I'm going. When so news comes out 261 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:44.240 and this was before social media, it was before twenty 262 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:47.440 four to seven, inundation of information that Lachreal Spreewell had 263 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.759 choked his coach, right, and it's like. 264 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:51.320 Okay, what exactly what does that look? 265 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:55.080 Because he was such a great talent, came out of Alabama, 266 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:57.840 nobody really knew what sort of NBA player he would be. 267 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.679 Golden State kind of rises up to be this real exciting, 268 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.360 great defensive wing. They could get up and down finish 269 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:04.519 on there. But he's never a great shooter. But he 270 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:06.879 was a really good player. And then the thing comes 271 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:09.320 out about Carlssimo and it's like, Okay, what's the deal. 272 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.279 The Knicks at the time had an aging roster and 273 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:15.720 they were trying to make sure Ewing's final years in 274 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.360 New York were supported with a good team. And I 275 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.720 can remember when the opportunity came down for the next 276 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:23.360 to trade for Latrell spree Well, and part of the 277 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.279 package was going to be John Starks, who was like 278 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:27.960 the heart of that team in the nineties, and there 279 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:32.679 was a real debate, internal debate, and my dad flew 280 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:36.159 Spree out and he sat down with Jeff Ernie Grunfeld 281 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.159 was the one that was kind of like somewhat against this, 282 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:40.960 and you get it right now. Jeff was all for 283 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:42.440 it because coaches want to win, and he knew he 284 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.120 could coach, and he knew he was awesome. So with 285 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:49.000 a talent like job, I suppose there's a market for it. 286 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:52.039 But let's say you're running a team and Memphis calls 287 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.080 and they say, what about jaw you? What do you say, 288 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.120 how does that process go down? And if Jaw would 289 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:58.759 be available, do you think the market would be robust 290 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.399 enough to get what you should for a talent like that. 291 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:06.639 Well, so as as in any you know shoppers market spence, 292 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.200 it only takes one one guy. So it only takes 293 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:13.679 one general manager or one coach who has a lot 294 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:18.120 of sway with the organization, you know, to say hey, 295 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.200 I want I want that guy, or I can work 296 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:22.639 with that guy, or you know the the you know, 297 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:24.919 other people are afraid of him or or don't know 298 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:25.519 how to handle him. 299 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:27.240 I know how to do it, you know, whatever, whatever 300 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:27.799 it's going to be. 301 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:30.200 Or you have a GM who feels like he's too 302 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:33.320 talented and he you know, you have to get him 303 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:36.120 if you can, and then it's up to the coach. 304 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:37.720 To to figure out how to work with him. 305 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:40.759 And you know, and you have those conversations before you 306 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:42.799 do anything like that, because you want to make sure 307 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:45.960 that that everybody's on board. You know, we we had 308 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:49.360 a scenario I won't mention names, but we we had 309 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:52.480 a scenario years and years ago with the Jazz where 310 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:55.759 we were looking at adding a player through free agency 311 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:58.799 who we thought would be a good piece to what 312 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.200 are our core was still going on with stocking them alone, 313 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.279 and one of our guys went out and made a 314 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:08.120 bunch of phone calls and talked to people who knew 315 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:09.600 were on the league or whatever. Comes back to a 316 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.080 meeting and says, yeah, yeah, I did a bunch of 317 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:14.240 homework on that guy. 318 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:15.120 Yeah, what do you think? 319 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:18.480 Well, well, I was oh for seven and we're sitting 320 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.440 around the table going, oh for seven, what does that mean? Well, 321 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:25.080 I talked to seven guys and none of them can 322 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:27.879 support the idea of us bringing that guy in for 323 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:31.200 whatever the varying reasons. So everybody had a different view, 324 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:35.679 a different touch, a different experience. And then he said, however, 325 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:38.720 having said that, I still think we need to bring 326 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:40.279 him in because I think. 327 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:40.919 He can help us. 328 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.960 And so there was a lot of debate about that 329 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:46.799 and a lot of discussion about well, what are we 330 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:48.600 doing and how is it going. 331 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:50.639 To affect our overall group. 332 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:52.840 And you know, at that time, we had you know, 333 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:57.159 two heavyweight guys and stocked in them alone, who we felt, 334 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:00.440 you know, could along with obviously with coach Sloan uh, 335 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.440 you know, could could deal with whatever the deal the 336 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:05.000 fallout was going to be or the or the the 337 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:08.000 tough parts are going to be and so you know, 338 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.600 eventually that decision was made to go forward, but it was, 339 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.360 but there's a lot of discussion around you know, when 340 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:20.720 you're adding someone like that into a mix that you 341 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:25.600 have to really be uh, be confident that your group, 342 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.559 whether it's the coach, whether it's a couple of assistant 343 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.799 coaches on your staff who know the guy, or knew 344 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.279 the guy in college, or I had prior experience with 345 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:36.799 him on another team, you know, whatever it could be, 346 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.039 that your group will be able to handle it in 347 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:42.679 a way that's professional, that is going to get you 348 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.399 the desired results that you're after, you know, in that 349 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:49.919 kind of move And and with with those kinds of things, Spence, 350 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:53.639 there's a there's always a lot of moving parts and 351 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:56.039 there are a lot of things you have to consider 352 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:59.879 before you really decide to pull the trigger on something 353 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.879 that's going to really have a big effect, maybe one way, 354 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:07.119 maybe the other way, on how your group performs. 355 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:09.319 Well said, let's move over to the jazz. 356 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:14.680 And you know, it's interesting to consider exactly what the 357 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.359 Memphis deal says on a number of different levels. And 358 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:21.079 I bring that up because I didn't know Desmond Bane 359 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:23.400 was available, right, So I bring that up because there 360 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:25.960 are always players that are available that are really good 361 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:27.519 that the public just doesn't know about. 362 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:32.200 But you knew Doncis was available. No, you knew that. 363 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:35.599 Another good example, right, Like that's why this league is wild. 364 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:37.359 You wake up and you're like, wait, they traded who? 365 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:38.200 Right? 366 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:40.640 So maybe there's the reason I bring it up in 367 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:45.279 that context is Brian Winhorst goes on TV and references 368 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:46.839 that he's been told the Jazz are going to try 369 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.279 to level it up, whatever that means, right, So like, 370 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.720 I don't see that path, but I want to be fair. 371 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:54.599 Maybe there are things out there that we have no 372 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:59.799 idea about. So if that's the mentality of the Jazz, now, 373 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:02.599 if they're like, Okay, we're gonna do the thing, we're 374 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.640 gonna take this off season, we're gonna add some pieces, 375 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:06.400 and we're gonna be right in the mix next year, 376 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:09.079 what does that look like? I don't know that I 377 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:10.839 see it, And we'll get to the other path in 378 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.200 a moment. And the other path is I just talked 379 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:17.000 about with Tom Aberstrow engaging with the San Antonio Spurs 380 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:19.640 or a team that's ahead of them, if they've identified 381 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:21.640 the player they like to go, move up in the 382 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:23.640 draft to get a young player they can grow with 383 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.359 their other young players. That seems more sensible to me. 384 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.359 But when Horses plugged in, he's an NBA reporter that 385 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.400 people seem to trust. So if the Jazz are serious 386 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.720 about adding to the group this year to take legitimate 387 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:37.960 steps up next year, what do you think that looks like? 388 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:40.240 Well, I mean again, Spence, there are a lot of 389 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:42.559 different options and a lot of different ways they can go. 390 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:46.359 And you know, as the old saying goes, it takes 391 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:49.519 two to tango. So you can have an idea and 392 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:51.240 you can say, this is what we want to do, 393 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:53.039 and we can lay out a plan, and we want 394 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:55.359 to add this kind of a guy, and we want 395 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:58.599 to add that kind of a player, and we can 396 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:01.440 shore up a couple of things on the wings with 397 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:04.200 a couple of long defensive guys, because we're one of 398 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.519 the worst defensive teams in the league the last several years, 399 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.519 and so we've got to start addressing that stuff. So, 400 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:13.720 you know, if you're looking at building a foundation and 401 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:17.160