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<v Speaker 1>This is the first big batch of UFO disclosure ordered

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<v Speaker 1>by President Trump. Some of the clips and videos on

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<v Speaker 1>there have popped up different places before, some of them

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<v Speaker 1>have not. And we have been going through this all

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<v Speaker 1>morning and overnight to try to put together some of

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<v Speaker 1>the best video so we can all look at this together.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a world exclusive right here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the Ricochet Podcast with Peter Robinson. I''s right, I said,

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Robinson and Stephen Hayward and Cherls C. W Acrook.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm James Lylynx, and today we're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 3>to Mollie Haming a way about our new book about Alito.

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<v Speaker 4>So let's episode a podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>Supreme Court of Virginia got it exactly right. The governor's

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<v Speaker 5>jerry mandering scheme fail. The current share congressional maps will

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<v Speaker 5>stay in place for the twenty twenty six elections. You

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<v Speaker 5>don't change the Constitution in the middle of an election.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome everybody. It's the Ricachet Podcast, number seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>eighty eight. I'm James Lylynx in Idyna, Minnesota, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>joined by General C. W. Cook and Florida Stephen Heyward.

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<v Speaker 3>Somewhere I believe in California, and if you can believe it,

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<v Speaker 3>he's joined by Peter Robinson, one of the founders. Gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 3>welcome in, especially Peter, welcome back. Thank you, James. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a delight to be back. And I'm seated right next

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<v Speaker 3>to Steve as well. You are somewhere in California, as

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<v Speaker 3>you put it, and behind you, even though the podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>of course is an audio medium, there's a poster. It

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<v Speaker 3>appears to be CCCP and Ronald Reagan in a football

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<v Speaker 3>uniform defeating the demons of Marxism. Do I have that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>Because you're at the Reagan Library and one would expect

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<v Speaker 3>such a wonderful tableaus.

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<v Speaker 6>Actually, we're at the Reagan Ranch Center in Santa Barbara,

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<v Speaker 6>which is separate from the library. We're in their glorious

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<v Speaker 6>boardroom looking out it's foggy this morning, but looking out

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<v Speaker 6>over the Pacific Ocean and departing to visit Reagan's wonderful

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<v Speaker 6>Mountaintop Ranch directly after we finished this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I imagine that the Reagan Library does not have the

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<v Speaker 3>sort of appearance of Obama's Library, which appears to be

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<v Speaker 3>something that the Eloys would construct to keep the Morlocks

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<v Speaker 3>in line. It is an absolutely dreadful name. And The

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<v Speaker 3>New York Times, in discussing the art of the building

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<v Speaker 3>this week, had a piece, of course called the audacity

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<v Speaker 3>of Art, and everything inside was as predictable as you

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<v Speaker 3>can possibly imagine. There's nothing audacious about it. Audacious would

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<v Speaker 3>be some good Soviet realism or some representational art, but

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<v Speaker 3>that's another podcast. Here today, we are to discuss all

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<v Speaker 3>the things that have bubbled up in the last week,

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<v Speaker 3>and we've got smart minds to take a look. So

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<v Speaker 3>who wants to have a crack at what appears to

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<v Speaker 3>be breaking new? Is Virginia Supreme Court rules the redistricting

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<v Speaker 3>referendum unconstitutional four to three procedural grounds. The challengers successfully

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<v Speaker 3>argued apparently, I'm reading here obviously that lawmakers failed to

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<v Speaker 3>pass the proposal across two legislative sessions separated by a

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<v Speaker 3>general election. Details, details, details, All right, gentlemen, somebody take this?

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<v Speaker 3>What does it mean? And should the rest of the

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<v Speaker 3>country care?

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<v Speaker 7>Charlie, being in Florida, has been awake for three hours

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<v Speaker 7>longer than Steve and I, and I presume that Charlie

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<v Speaker 7>being Charlie has also read I have the decision itself.

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<v Speaker 7>Perhaps so I want to hear about it from Charlie myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it is hilarious, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>I do because Senator Luise Lucas, who pushed this whole thing,

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<v Speaker 2>was full of it. She was swearing on Twitter, she

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<v Speaker 2>was calling people who disagree with her cucks. And now

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<v Speaker 2>she's been arrested and her initiative went down. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was procedural grounds. The court made it very clear that

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<v Speaker 2>some might ask why it hadn't done this prior to

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<v Speaker 2>the referendum, and it said, but the Commonwealth of Virginia

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<v Speaker 2>is not allowed to ask that question given that it

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<v Speaker 2>insisted that it couldn't because President in Virginia holds that

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<v Speaker 2>they have to wait until there is a referendum to

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<v Speaker 2>strike down. They can't do it proactively. And they point

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<v Speaker 2>out quite rightly that if you take the position that

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<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't get involved before a referendum, and that after

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<v Speaker 2>a referendum is violating one of the people, then you

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<v Speaker 2>essentially bolished the court. So Twitter is full this morning

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<v Speaker 2>of people saying it's crazy they allowed the state to

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<v Speaker 2>waste seventy million dollars. But that's not really true. The

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<v Speaker 2>state told the court correctly given precedent that it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to get involved. What happened here was very simple,

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<v Speaker 2>James said it. The rules in Virginia are pretty clear.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't do this sort of thing while an election

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<v Speaker 2>is on. And Virginia has very long early voting periods.

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<v Speaker 2>They're already in one, and so the three descents say

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the election. They say, the election's only election day.

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<v Speaker 2>Early voting isn't the election. And the majority says that's nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's this great little passage in there where the

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<v Speaker 2>majority says that if you stopped somebody who was early

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<v Speaker 2>voting at the polling place and said to him, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing here, he would say, I'm voting in

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<v Speaker 2>the election. And if you said to him, no, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the election, he would be mightly confused, yes, which

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<v Speaker 2>is true. So yeah, they pushed it too far. They

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<v Speaker 2>knew what they were doing was unconstitutional. And the last

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<v Speaker 2>thing is Jason Mayiraz was the former Attorney general of Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>It's taking a bit of a victory lap today, which

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<v Speaker 2>is deserved because last year his office put out an

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<v Speaker 2>opinion in which he said exactly what the court said

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<v Speaker 2>in its majority opinion, and he had offered the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>in Virginia the chance to go through it with him,

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<v Speaker 2>and they declined and called him names. Well, he won.

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<v Speaker 4>So is this appealable now anywhere?

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<v Speaker 7>It's a matter of state constitutional law, and the Supreme

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<v Speaker 7>Court of Virginia, which has just ruled, is the ultimate

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<v Speaker 7>and final authority. There's no appeal to the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 7>of the United State or any other court of any kind.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that's correct, because I don't think there's a

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<v Speaker 2>federal constitutional issue at state. I think it's purely a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of state law. And the Speaker of the House

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<v Speaker 2>of Delegates in Virginia said today they will respect the

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<v Speaker 2>court's opinion. Now I don't know if that means they

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<v Speaker 2>won't appeal, because that's not up to him. That's up

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<v Speaker 2>to our best friend, the Attorney General of Virginia, J. Jones,

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<v Speaker 2>who's famous for wanting to kill other people's children. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it looks like they're going to appeal this.

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<v Speaker 4>But whom would they appeal it to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they could appeal it to the court if there

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<v Speaker 2>was some procedural problem, I suppose, But yeah, at which.

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<v Speaker 4>Court they'd ask this federal court, I think no.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in theory you could appeal it in the

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia Supreme Court if something changed, right, if there was

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<v Speaker 2>a substantial shift in the fact, But what could they be.

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<v Speaker 6>There are some parallel instances of these kind of state

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<v Speaker 6>Supreme court rulings about ballot initiatives. Oregon some decades ago,

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<v Speaker 6>well twenty thirty years ago, they had a whole series

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<v Speaker 6>of conservative ballot measures that passed, and the Oregon Supreme

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<v Speaker 6>Court state Supreme Court, which was very radical at the time,

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<v Speaker 6>struck down almost all of them on usually very technical

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<v Speaker 6>grounds of violating the so called single subject rule. It

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<v Speaker 6>was usually nonsense, and there was almost a recall campaign

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<v Speaker 6>mounted against a couple of the Supreme Court justices there

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<v Speaker 6>who became nationally famous for standing.

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<v Speaker 4>Up to the conservatives. But that was always the end

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<v Speaker 6>There was no appeal of any of those rulings to

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<v Speaker 6>federal court that succeeded. So I don't see why Virginia

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<v Speaker 6>would be any more optimistic that they could overturn us

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<v Speaker 6>at the federal level.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's going to happen. The timing is

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<v Speaker 2>the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a new map in Florida, and there was

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<v Speaker 3>some bruhahaigh electoral wise in Indiana people to say the

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<v Speaker 3>administration could be looking at ten additional seats by twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty eight. Interesting when everybody's been talking about a blot,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, because of gases at four forty nine, then

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<v Speaker 3>they lose. If gases at three eighty nine they win.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting how this will all turn out Another subject that

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<v Speaker 3>I think you gentlemen would like to talk about because

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<v Speaker 3>it fascinates me. It's keen Germane to where I live,

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<v Speaker 3>and it turns out that it's Germane too everywhere, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's medicaid fraud where oh in Ohio this time? So

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<v Speaker 3>the Daily Wire sent a guy to Ohio and he

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<v Speaker 3>did what all of these independent journalists do that Apparently

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<v Speaker 3>state agencies and mainstream media is don't really seem to

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<v Speaker 3>wonder why a windowless building on the edge of town

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<v Speaker 3>has one hundred and fifty eight hospice centers crammed into

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<v Speaker 3>one post office box and when they go there, every

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<v Speaker 3>time you look at it, you find a billion dollars

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<v Speaker 3>has been spent on people who have been vetted not

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<v Speaker 3>a bit, who are often politically connected, who have no

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<v Speaker 3>medical background, and it's just an empty office with a

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<v Speaker 3>sign on with a piece of paper with something scrawled,

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<v Speaker 3>little sharpe to indicate that there's a business there. We're

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<v Speaker 3>losing huge amounts of money to this, and you wonder

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<v Speaker 3>if there will be some sort of of tectonic shift

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<v Speaker 3>because of it, because if nothing else, this shows that

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<v Speaker 3>the largest of the state, far from starving people and saying,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, we're not spending enough money on the

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<v Speaker 3>welfare of our citizens, that huge amounts of money are

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<v Speaker 3>being pitchforked out every day to criminals who are wasting it,

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<v Speaker 3>sending it back home living high in the hog and

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<v Speaker 3>that essentially nobody knows how much of the extraordinary amount

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<v Speaker 3>of money that we spend on these things. Is absolute criminality,

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<v Speaker 3>is absolute fraud. So what do you guys think, Peter,

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<v Speaker 3>you're in California. I believe that there's been some They

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<v Speaker 3>found what two hundred and ninety seven centers for dying

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<v Speaker 3>people crammed into a shoe box that was taped to

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<v Speaker 7>To me, the heartening part about all this is that

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<v Speaker 7>investigative journalism is being reinvented. We have had a collapse

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<v Speaker 7>here in California of the La Times, which used to

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<v Speaker 7>be of course, it was always left of center in

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<v Speaker 7>its good days and became more left and now it's

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<v Speaker 7>just irrelevant. And Chris Rufo's organization, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 7>I can't remember what the aegis. Under what aegis Chris

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<v Speaker 7>couldn't have been the Manhattan Institute where Chris is a fellow.

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<v Speaker 7>But Chris Rufo's organization has discovered fraud here. They're actually

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<v Speaker 7>onto a story. They've got names and dates and amounts

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<v Speaker 7>of money.

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<v Speaker 4>What's broken? In Ohio?

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<v Speaker 7>Another organization, Peter Schweitzer, has an operation in Tallahassee which

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<v Speaker 7>is doing a real investigative journalism. It's moving out. It's

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<v Speaker 7>no longer being performed by newspapers at all, do you,

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<v Speaker 7>Steve am I right about this? But investigative journalism is

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<v Speaker 7>being reasserted, reinvented by good guys on our side.

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't that roughly correct? Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 6>And don't leave out the California Post, which is the

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<v Speaker 6>brand new New York Posts West Coast edition, and they're

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<v Speaker 6>going to be after some of this. They're still gearing up.

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<v Speaker 6>But Christ's operation is actually through City Journal, which is

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<v Speaker 6>going to revive a California edition here at some point,

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<v Speaker 6>which is the the publication of the Manhattan Rights Toute.

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<v Speaker 6>So okay, right, what wonderful trains sound were by the

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<v Speaker 6>tract train State. By the way, I can add to

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<v Speaker 6>that since we do have a train whistle. It may

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<v Speaker 6>not seem related to the welfare fraud, but we did

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<v Speaker 6>just get news in California this week that are high

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<v Speaker 2>Finish it the point wants to finish.

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<v Speaker 3>They know the point is to shovel money to unions,

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<v Speaker 3>which is extraordinary when everybody says we can't do anything

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<v Speaker 3>look at Elon Musk and space X and Tesla and

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<v Speaker 3>it's great that a new class of journalists are doing it,

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<v Speaker 3>because who are these rank amateurs? They didn't go to

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<v Speaker 3>people from the Jay school upstairs never came down to

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<v Speaker 3>For those of us actually doing journalism, well, so, I

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<v Speaker 6>Oh well, you know, Peter and I were here doing

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<v Speaker 6>were reflecting on how Reagan was assailed for attacking welfare queens.

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<v Speaker 6>fifty accounts and all that. But the point was is that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, Reagan, as they used to say, went over

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<v Speaker 4>We need to have that happen now.

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<v Speaker 6>And so, by the way, I have a field theory

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the.

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<v Speaker 6>Media and the Democratic Party. This is actually on purpose.

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<v Speaker 6>And I actually think it began here in California. It

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<v Speaker 6>just came this week after the Northridge earthquake in nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>It was a very serious earthquake.

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<v Speaker 6>apartments have fallen down and their businesses have been destroyed,

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<v Speaker 6>and write the damn checks. And so work came down

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<v Speaker 6>from the Clinton administration. Quit doing all this due diligence.

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<v Speaker 6>Just write the checks and hand them out the people

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<v Speaker 6>who show up with like no excuses, you know, no

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<v Speaker 6>questions asked. And then and I think this spread to medicaid, oh, COVID,

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 6>And I actually think this is airsats redistributionism for the left.

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<v Speaker 6>It's inefficient. But you know, given that radical or punitive

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<v Speaker 6>don't recognize this fraud. This is overdue reparations. It used

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<v Speaker 6>any of the buzzwords you want. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>It reparations and the rest. You're right, you know, two

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<v Speaker 3>calleries of this one. There was a recent scandal because

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<v Speaker 3>people donated for the Pacific Palisades fire it didn't go

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<v Speaker 3>there all. And the relevant organizations are saying we never

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<v Speaker 3>houses burn down, we you know, is going to podcasters

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<v Speaker 3>and art installations and other affected communities and the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of it, which just shows what a big slashing pile

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<v Speaker 3>of money that it is that they do with as

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<v Speaker 3>they wish. And when the NGO spout dries up because

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<v Speaker 3>But the second thing, Charles, I don't want to leave

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<v Speaker 3>you out of the loop on this unless I'm mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>In Florida was successful in actually building a train, a

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, although that company looks as if it might be

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble. Why because it's running out of money. It's

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<v Speaker 7>Quickly usually how it happens, right to explain where the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Bright Line. It doesn't come up to me

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<v Speaker 2>in Jacksonville. It runs from Orlando and then across to

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<v Speaker 2>It was supposed to be a bit bigger. It was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to go to Disney World as well, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was talk of it coming up to Jacksonville, but that

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen anyway. They are completely private, they took no

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<v Speaker 2>ready none of my business. But I think they expanded

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit too quickly. The one thing they do

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<v Speaker 2>estate company pretending to be a railroad. So they may

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<v Speaker 2>which is my big criticism. I'm a big train hater.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate trains. I would use the air Force to

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<v Speaker 2>bomb all the trains, not for cargo, but just for passengers.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get the passengers out first, but trains as communist

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we could just cheerfully blather on here, or we

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<v Speaker 3>could talk to our guest, who we love to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to whenever possible. That's Baliamiway, editor in chief of the

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<v Speaker 3>Federalist Journalism, fellow with Hillsdale College, and a Fox News contributor.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the author of four books. As of April twenty

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<v Speaker 3>first and the latest is Alito, the Justice who reshaped

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<v Speaker 3>the Supreme Court and restored the Constitution. Bali, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 8>It is wonderful to be here with you all.

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<v Speaker 3>And it has been some time. Well. First things first,

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<v Speaker 3>here explained the title of your book, The Justice who

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<v Speaker 3>Reshaped the Court? How did you do that?

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<v Speaker 8>A few years ago I co authored a book with

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<v Speaker 8>bunch of people, including Supreme Court justices, and some of

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<v Speaker 8>them wondered why nobody ever talks about Alito, because they

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<v Speaker 8>consider him to be this giant on the Court who

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<v Speaker 8>shapes so much of the Court's jurisprudence and has had

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<v Speaker 8>a leading role in returning to Congress or returning to

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<v Speaker 8>the executive branch their proper constitutional authorities after decades of

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<v Speaker 8>the Court just trying to act as this super legislature.

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<v Speaker 8>And it was from them that I got the idea

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<v Speaker 8>that he needed to be profiled and people did need

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<v Speaker 8>to know more about him, and also why they think

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<v Speaker 8>he's so important, which is his constitutional emphasis, his important

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<v Speaker 8>him or knows about him as much as they should.

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<v Speaker 7>Molly Peter Robinson here. The reason I'm putting this word

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<v Speaker 7>to you. You could correct me if I'm wrong. The

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<v Speaker 7>reason we tend to overlook Justice Alito is that people

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<v Speaker 7>are still people who follow the Court still have a

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<v Speaker 7>very vivid memory of Justice Scalia, who was so much

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<v Speaker 7>louder and more vivid as a personality. And Justice Alito

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<v Speaker 7>is a quiet man, a modest man, very sweet tempered.

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<v Speaker 7>He would never call attention to himself. He's a kind

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<v Speaker 4>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 8>I think that's a major part of it. He is

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<v Speaker 8>so unlike almost everyone who inhabits Washington, d C. And

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<v Speaker 8>you really get the sense that he doesn't like Washington

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<v Speaker 8>DC very much. He doesn't want to be the center

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<v Speaker 8>of attention. He gets uncomfortable when people are talking about him.

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<v Speaker 8>But there's another thing too, which I think relates to

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<v Speaker 8>to his jurisprudence. When you think about how enjoyable it

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<v Speaker 8>is to read Escalia, I mean, he's hilarious. He's so biting, vicious,

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<v Speaker 8>but in a totally delightful way. And he also has

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<v Speaker 8>these you know, he has these big rules. He likes

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<v Speaker 8>big concepts. Justice Thomas, who's another fan favorite, very big

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<v Speaker 8>conceptual thinker. Alito is more focused on, Okay, so we've

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<v Speaker 8>made this ruling, how are the lower courts going to

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<v Speaker 8>implement it? How is a US attorney going to know

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<v Speaker 8>what to do with this? And so he's very specific

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<v Speaker 8>in a way that doesn't lend itself to those colorful aphorisms.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 7>So, Ascalia, the late Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas to

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<v Speaker 7>this day are justices for law schools. They're justices to

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<v Speaker 7>be read. They're justices who are trying to change the

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<v Speaker 7>And Justice Alito is a judge's judge. Is that one

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<v Speaker 7>way of putting it.

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<v Speaker 8>I think that's a very good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 8>I also think, though, that because Scalia and Thomas were

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<v Speaker 8>and are more philosophers, more big picture philosophers, and they're

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<v Speaker 8>love that. I love that about them, But they tend

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<v Speaker 8>to be more liberty focused, whereas I think Justice Alito

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<v Speaker 8>is also just in his core and in his jurisprudence,

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<v Speaker 8>very conservative, and there has been this bias towards more

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<v Speaker 8>libertarian minded justices. I myself understand that, but Alito is

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<v Speaker 8>really the conservative on the court.

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<v Speaker 6>So Molly, it's Steve Hey. We're sitting next to Peter

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<v Speaker 6>out here in California. I haven't had a chance to

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<v Speaker 6>get into the book yet, and I'm wondering if you've

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<v Speaker 6>got some real scoops here. But I'm wondering if you

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<v Speaker 6>got into any of the what i'll call gossip. Although

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<v Speaker 6>I have some sources for this proposition, which is, as

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<v Speaker 6>we know, Alito was President Bush's second choice. He tried

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<v Speaker 6>to install his White House counsel, Harriet Myers's old friend,

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<v Speaker 6>and there was revolt against that, and so.

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<v Speaker 4>Aledo was picked.

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<v Speaker 6>And I've heard from multiple sources that Bush resented the

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<v Speaker 6>fact that he was pressured into, as one person put

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<v Speaker 6>it to me firsthand, from Bush appointing this hack from

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if you've heard anything about that story.

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<v Speaker 6>If you try to delve into it, maybe that's old

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<v Speaker 6>business that you don't care about. But I've heard comment

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<v Speaker 6>on if you want. But I've also heard Alito described

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<v Speaker 6>as a Burkian, whereas both Thomas and Scalia were Thomists

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<v Speaker 6>as well as maybe Locke in. But I think I

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<v Speaker 6>like that description of Alito as a Burkian.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, he also likes that description of himself as a Burkian.

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<v Speaker 8>I think that is how he conceives of himself. But

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<v Speaker 8>I have to say that does not match my reporting

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<v Speaker 8>what you just said about President Bush. I almost feel

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<v Speaker 8>there would be no market for it. But I almost

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<v Speaker 8>feel like you could write a whole book about that

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<v Speaker 8>summer of nominations and what it meant for the conservative movement.

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<v Speaker 4>I would read that makes two.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got two readers, but three James, Oh yeah, I'm okay.

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<v Speaker 8>Well sold well. One of the things I learned about

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<v Speaker 8>that process was that Harriet Myers herself had always wanted

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<v Speaker 8>Alito to be the number one pick, so they had

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<v Speaker 8>a shortlist. They thought there was going to be a

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<v Speaker 8>chief justice opening first, because Rahnquist was so sick and

431
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<v Speaker 8>it seemed like only natural that he would be retiring.

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<v Speaker 8>They were kind of shocked when it was Sandrade O'Connor

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<v Speaker 8>who retires instead, and they decided to just kind of

434
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<v Speaker 8>keep with what they'd been thinking for the chief Justice slot,

435
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<v Speaker 8>and they end up giving that to Roberts, but there

436
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<v Speaker 8>were you know, five people on the short list, and

437
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<v Speaker 8>Alito was one of them. He was the number one

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<v Speaker 8>pick for a bunch of people, including the Attorney General,

439
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<v Speaker 8>but also Harriet Myers, who was the White House counsel.

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<v Speaker 8>She thought that maybe Roberts didn't well he said it

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<v Speaker 8>himself in his confirmation hearings. He didn't have a judicial philosophy,

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<v Speaker 8>and that concerned her. People give her a very hard time.

443
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<v Speaker 8>But I think it's interesting that she sort of understood

444
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<v Speaker 8>that might be an issue with Roberts. She wanted a lido.

445
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<v Speaker 8>The pressure that I think Bush might not have loved

446
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<v Speaker 8>was the identity politics pressure. And even his own wife

447
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<v Speaker 8>is on a foreign trip to South Africa and she's like, well,

448
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<v Speaker 8>I sure hope. Oh sorry, what did she say? I

449
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<v Speaker 8>think this is before Roberts's pick. She's like, I sure

450
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<v Speaker 8>hope he picks a lady to replace Sandra day O'Connor.

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<v Speaker 8>And they ask President Bush about it, and he says,

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<v Speaker 8>I look forward to receiving her counsel when she gets

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<v Speaker 8>home from her foreign trip, Like, why don't we keep

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<v Speaker 8>this in the home, Laura, you know? And it was

455
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<v Speaker 8>kind of funny, but once, once, the chief dies and

456
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<v Speaker 8>they decide to put Roberts up for that pick. They

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<v Speaker 8>think they have to pick a woman, but many of

458
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<v Speaker 8>the women were too conservative for some members of the

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<v Speaker 8>Bush White House, and Harriet Myers did not in any

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<v Speaker 8>way want to be the nominee. She just basically was

461
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<v Speaker 8>told she had to be, and she does it for

462
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<v Speaker 8>the team. She'd been a loyal Bush person, and it

463
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<v Speaker 8>just makes you look at it a little differently when

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<v Speaker 8>you think about what she went through in the mockery

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<v Speaker 8>and as soon as she steps down, Alito's the one.

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<v Speaker 8>And I mean it's kind of like everyone agreed.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I always heard from people whose were views

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<v Speaker 6>I really respect that Harriet Myers was a very solid person.

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<v Speaker 4>She was just unknown.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, after the previous Bush gave us David Suitor,

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<v Speaker 6>the word was, no more suitors. We don't want any

472
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<v Speaker 6>unknown people. We only want known people. And so poor

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<v Speaker 6>Harriet Myers, I think maybe it was unfair to her

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<v Speaker 6>and Peter Molly.

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<v Speaker 7>I have to ask a couple of questions about Dobbs.

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<v Speaker 7>If I made it feels to me, I've got about three.

477
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<v Speaker 7>Let me just lay this out and then you take it.

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<v Speaker 7>It feels to me as though Justice Alito is going

479
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<v Speaker 7>to be remembered for Dobbs, which overruled Roe versus Wade.

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<v Speaker 4>That's his decision.

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<v Speaker 7>So questions in your reporting on this, do you have

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<v Speaker 7>any leads on who leaked it? That's sort of a

483
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<v Speaker 7>mandatory question. I'm sure you've been asked already. And then

484
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<v Speaker 7>the next question, though, is not mandatory, but it's mandatory

485
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<v Speaker 7>to me. In the couple of years, what almost three

486
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<v Speaker 7>years now, since Dobbs came out, I've been watching it

487
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<v Speaker 7>was attacked vitriolically over and over in place after place

488
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<v Speaker 7>after place, and yet as far as I can tell,

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<v Speaker 7>there has been no legal attack on Dobbs. That is

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<v Speaker 7>to say, his historical analysis, his legal reasoning, all of

491
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<v Speaker 7>that stands by the way I considered it a beautifully

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<v Speaker 7>written within this legal It's not flashy, it's not filled

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<v Speaker 7>with memorable phrases of the kind that you get with Scalia.

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<v Speaker 7>But boy, is that a calm, thorough legal document that

495
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<v Speaker 7>has stood up now without any serious legal attack. Nobody's

496
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<v Speaker 7>saying no, he made an error in legal reasoning here.

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<v Speaker 7>All kinds of arguments abortion is a right. How could

498
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<v Speaker 7>the of the results based arguments, But no serious le

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<v Speaker 7>no fst. I can tell no legal attack on the

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<v Speaker 7>decision in the three years since, so any reporting on

501
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<v Speaker 7>who leaked it, And am I right that that that

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<v Speaker 7>that decision is really standing up.

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<v Speaker 8>There's so much of interest about the Dobbs decision, including

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<v Speaker 8>what you just said. Peter. Reminds me that one of

505
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<v Speaker 8>the things I learned in my reporting from people on

506
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<v Speaker 8>the court was that when Alito issues his draft, the

507
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<v Speaker 8>one that's eventually leaked, yes, and it's nearly one hundred pages,

508
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<v Speaker 8>the chambers of the liberal justices were just shocked at

509
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<v Speaker 8>how thorough and eviscerating it was. There was like, no,

510
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<v Speaker 8>there was.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing of Row left after that.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, And the thing is, in some ways, overturning Row

513
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<v Speaker 8>was kind of easy, right, even at the time liberal

514
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<v Speaker 8>legal scholars said, this is a joke of a decision.

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<v Speaker 8>They might love abortion or.

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<v Speaker 4>Mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, So on the one hand, it should have been easy,

519
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<v Speaker 8>but it took such courage there had been so many

520
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<v Speaker 8>attempts previously, and then also to do it in a

521
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<v Speaker 8>way that doesn't give the opposition you know, for lack

522
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<v Speaker 8>of a better term, an easy way to attack it.

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<v Speaker 8>At the time that it's leaked, and then when it's

524
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<v Speaker 8>handed down the media are hysterical about it. But it

525
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<v Speaker 8>was actually very restrained. I mean, many pro lifers would

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<v Speaker 8>like something much more dramatic, a fourteenth Amendment protection of

527
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<v Speaker 8>life for the unborn or something like that. It simply said,

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<v Speaker 8>we all know that it's not in the Constitution, it's

529
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<v Speaker 8>not in the fourteenth Amendments, not hidden between the words,

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<v Speaker 8>and as such we have to return it to the

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<v Speaker 8>people through their legislatures. It's like very modest, and you're

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<v Speaker 8>right that there. I've actually not seen any substantive legal

533
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<v Speaker 8>attacks on it. I did talk to a lot of

534
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<v Speaker 8>people about the leak as well, and so I know

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<v Speaker 8>who most who many people think leaked it, but there

536
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<v Speaker 8>are but there's no one, you know, there's not There

537
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<v Speaker 8>might be one that's the who most people say, but

538
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<v Speaker 8>that doesn't mean there's just one person. But mostly what

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<v Speaker 8>I got into was how absolutely awful the investigation was.

540
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<v Speaker 8>They didn't begin it for weeks, they didn't ask decent questions,

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<v Speaker 8>Like some of the high level people at the court said,

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<v Speaker 8>if you want to find out who leaked it, find

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<v Speaker 8>out who's in communication with the reporters who published it.

544
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<v Speaker 8>Don't just say did you leak it? Which is what

545
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<v Speaker 8>they did. They asked everybody if you leaked it, and

546
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<v Speaker 8>everybody said no, Well, instead say do you know this reporter?

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<v Speaker 8>Does your spouse know this reporter? Were you ever in

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<v Speaker 8>a situation where someone would have had access to your

549
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<v Speaker 8>draft that you had on your home computer. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>you can ask questions that would like a real investigator

551
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<v Speaker 8>would Molly.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he going to retire? This is the big question

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment. People have said he's unhappy. Is he

554
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<v Speaker 2>unhappy on the court? People have said his wife doesn't

555
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<v Speaker 2>like him having the job anymore because they went after

556
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<v Speaker 2>her because she flew a flack outside the beach house.

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<v Speaker 2>Or is he comfortable where he is?

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<v Speaker 8>So people call him unhappy, and I think there's a

559
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<v Speaker 8>I think it's that he's he's certainly not a happy warrior,

560
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<v Speaker 8>but that doesn't mean he's unhappy. He's just more motivated

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<v Speaker 8>by duty than personal feelings. So he in my view,

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<v Speaker 8>I don't technically know for sure. I have not thought

563
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<v Speaker 8>he was going to retire, even before his chambers got

564
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<v Speaker 8>worried out that he's not retiring, But I think he

565
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<v Speaker 8>feels there's still work to be done, that he needs

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<v Speaker 8>to do. Would he be happy? Would he and his

567
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<v Speaker 8>wife be happy once he leaves? Yes, But he doesn't

568
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<v Speaker 8>do things for happiness. He does things out of duty,

569
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<v Speaker 8>out of sense of duty.

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<v Speaker 2>And he calls himself a practical original list and Scalia

571
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<v Speaker 2>quote himself an originalist, and Clarence Thomas calls himself a

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<v Speaker 2>bloodthirsty originalist. I've seen recently a lot of praise for

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<v Speaker 2>Alita in his ability to keep together coalition if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what that means? I've never quite show what

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<v Speaker 2>practical originalist means.

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<v Speaker 8>So there are many different ways that you see him

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<v Speaker 8>being more practical than some of his colleagues. Part of

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<v Speaker 8>it is what we just talked about with thinking about

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<v Speaker 8>how a decision will be implemented by lower court judges

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<v Speaker 8>or other people involved in the administration of rule of law.

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<v Speaker 8>But another thing is he's more willing to look at

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<v Speaker 8>the facts of a particular case than some of his colleagues.

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<v Speaker 8>They'll just say they'll just kind of see something. You'll say,

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<v Speaker 8>this is a First Amendment issue, so we're just going

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<v Speaker 8>to do a broad First Amendment type ruling, Whereas he

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<v Speaker 8>might look and say, I think it's a little more

587
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<v Speaker 8>complicated than that he might ultimately side with them in

588
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<v Speaker 8>their big broad brush approach, but he's comfortable looking at

589
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<v Speaker 8>the facts of the case. He famously dissented in that

590
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<v Speaker 8>Westboro Baptist case, and it was because of the facts

591
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<v Speaker 8>of the case. They said, well, really, what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 8>this so called church, they're protesting the government, so they're

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<v Speaker 8>allowed to do it. And he went through the trial

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<v Speaker 8>record and saw that they weren't. They were protesting this man,

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<v Speaker 8>his faith, his family, his marital history, and that he

596
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<v Speaker 8>thought TOWRTS law could cover this in a way that

597
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<v Speaker 8>it was less applicable as a First Amendment case. And

598
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<v Speaker 8>then he also does I think he's just less autistic

599
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<v Speaker 8>in the I don't mean that's like in the originalism.

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<v Speaker 8>He just he's kind of thinking, the whole purpose of

601
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<v Speaker 8>what we're doing is to help a people and their

602
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<v Speaker 8>country and their government, so we should think about how

603
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<v Speaker 8>this is going to affect that dynamic.

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<v Speaker 6>Mollie, it's Steve again. One of your scoops in the book,

605
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<v Speaker 6>to which there is I think a sequel episode in

606
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<v Speaker 6>the last two weeks, is the fact that how did

607
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<v Speaker 6>you put it, Kagan was having a shouting match with

608
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<v Speaker 6>was with Bryer about delaying the Dobbs decision and hopes

609
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<v Speaker 6>what some Supreme Court justice would retire or die or

610
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<v Speaker 6>something even worse than that, in hopes of overturning it.

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<v Speaker 6>And then everyone I think has seen and you can

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<v Speaker 6>see it now in the opinions, great frustration, including from

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<v Speaker 6>two of the liberal justices about Justice Jackson, who talks

614
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<v Speaker 6>more than the other justices combined much of the time,

615
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<v Speaker 6>and whose descents have drawn some rebukes, even from Justice

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<v Speaker 6>Kagan in one case. And then this last week it

617
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<v Speaker 6>was a sort of supplemental decision, a ruling related to

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<v Speaker 6>this recent case on the Voting Rights Act, where Justice

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<v Speaker 6>Alito I think wrote a rebuttal saying this is nonsense,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think he said this is even insulting. And

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<v Speaker 6>then he has an asterisk where he says, I remind

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<v Speaker 6>the Justice that this case was conferenced six months ago. Now,

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<v Speaker 6>for listeners, what that means is is when you hear

624
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<v Speaker 6>the Supreme Court case on Monday or Tuesday, the justices

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<v Speaker 6>meet typically at the end of the week on Friday

626
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<v Speaker 6>to vote on who wins and who loses, and that's

627
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<v Speaker 6>after that.

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<v Speaker 4>The whole business.

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<v Speaker 6>About doing the opinion is done, and that can take,

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<v Speaker 6>as we know, months for the two sides to work

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<v Speaker 6>out their opinions and the cents, and that's become a

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<v Speaker 6>game where everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>Wants to get in the last word. But I think

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<v Speaker 4>you're really onto something.

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<v Speaker 6>And the fricken's in the court, and especially the role

636
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<v Speaker 6>of Justice Jackson and Justice Kagan and all this, and

637
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<v Speaker 6>there's a leado having to put up with it.

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<v Speaker 8>All well, I think this is really explosive too. The

639
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<v Speaker 8>liberal justices are frustrated at their lack of power. The

640
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<v Speaker 8>Supreme Court is an institution that the left used to

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<v Speaker 8>completely control untilp quite recently, so the first time you've

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<v Speaker 8>seen an originalist majority. Even if they have their differences

643
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<v Speaker 8>at times, they're all rooted deeply in the original meaning

644
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<v Speaker 8>of the Constitution in that majority, and so they don't

645
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<v Speaker 8>have power. They're frustrated. And I reported how they slow

646
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<v Speaker 8>walked the descent in Dobbs even after their colleagues asked them,

647
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<v Speaker 8>please hurry it up, because our lives are being threatened.

648
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<v Speaker 8>And that was not hyperbole. They were daily threats on

649
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<v Speaker 8>their lives, including an actual assassin on the street of

650
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<v Speaker 8>the Kavanaugh home trying to take out him, and others.

651
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<v Speaker 8>So after my book comes out, or actually right before

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<v Speaker 8>my book comes out, there was reporting that they were

653
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<v Speaker 8>slow walking the Collide decision. Kalay, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 8>to pronounce that, sorry, And it was just interesting that

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<v Speaker 8>you're like, oh, is this part of a pattern? And

656
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<v Speaker 8>then I think we've all but had that proven with

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<v Speaker 8>that footnote from Alito. Katanji Brown Jackson, I think is

658
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<v Speaker 8>less politically smart than her liberal colleagues, who know, like

659
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<v Speaker 8>they might have been slow walking it, but they knew

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<v Speaker 8>not to put it in writing basically, or give Alito

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<v Speaker 8>the opportunity to point out that they were slow walking.

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<v Speaker 8>Anyone who read that footnote understood what was being said. Yes,

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<v Speaker 8>not only was it conferenced in October, that was the

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<v Speaker 8>second time they'd heard the case. Remember they first heard

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<v Speaker 8>it in March of last year, so everyone knew where

666
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<v Speaker 8>they stood, everyone knew what the arguments were. It really

667
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<v Speaker 8>shouldn't taken that long unless you were delaying for political

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<v Speaker 8>reasons to help your political party of choice.

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<v Speaker 7>Molly Peter here, once again, as you worked on the book,

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<v Speaker 7>how did you find yourself a couple of quotess how

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<v Speaker 7>did you find yourself feeling about justice? Alido, You would

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<v Speaker 7>never have written this unless you had a fundamental admiration

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<v Speaker 7>for him and his work. Did you find him as

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<v Speaker 7>you interviewed other people, as you read the materials, you

675
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<v Speaker 7>read his decisions, as you interviewed him, as you spoke

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<v Speaker 7>to missus Alito? Did you find yourself enjoying him? Was

677
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<v Speaker 7>he good company to keep for all these months as

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<v Speaker 7>you worked on the project? And then I wonder did

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<v Speaker 7>you find yourself admiring more or less the court as

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<v Speaker 7>an institution?

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<v Speaker 8>Huh? I definitely was intrigued by him at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 8>and I would have to say that I also came

683
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<v Speaker 8>to admire. I tend toward more of that big picture

684
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<v Speaker 8>thinking myself and his pragmatism. I found the I saw

685
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<v Speaker 8>the wisdom in that. He's also you know, I think

686
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<v Speaker 8>anyone who's met him or studies him knows he's a

687
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<v Speaker 8>delightful person. He's very funny in private in a way

688
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<v Speaker 8>that you don't see publicly so much. I mean, occasionally

689
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<v Speaker 8>you pick it up in the speeches. Also, the admiration

690
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<v Speaker 8>his colleagues have for him, it's hard not to be

691
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<v Speaker 8>touched by that as well. I was not sure when

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<v Speaker 8>I began the project how I would explain Martha Ann

693
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<v Speaker 8>Alito because she is so fun. She's oh exactly, And

694
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<v Speaker 8>I always joked that my dad was a pastor and

695
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<v Speaker 8>my mom, I always joked she was the world's worst

696
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<v Speaker 8>pastor's wife. And I meant that with like unending praise.

697
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<v Speaker 8>But that's what I would kind of say about Martha Anne, Like,

698
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<v Speaker 8>I don't know how she ended up being in this

699
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<v Speaker 8>life where she's a Supreme Court justice's wife. She is

700
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<v Speaker 8>very much her own person, very vivacious, uh just fun

701
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<v Speaker 8>luve a fun person, and you're it's interesting to see

702
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<v Speaker 8>them being together. I think one of the things I

703
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<v Speaker 8>admire about the Court more than anything is that they

704
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<v Speaker 8>have weathered some of these difficult times and they have

705
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<v Speaker 8>come out with regard for each other still and even

706
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<v Speaker 8>seeing the way they handled the recent situation with Justice

707
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<v Speaker 8>Soda Mayor attacking Kavanaugh, I'm pretty confident that Kavanaugh was

708
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<v Speaker 8>the least offended by what Sodamor did. The other justices

709
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<v Speaker 8>really didn't like that, and Justice so to my just a.

710
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<v Speaker 4>Moment to explain for listeners what happened.

711
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<v Speaker 8>She was, she was giving a speech, and she attacked

712
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<v Speaker 8>what everyone clearly saw was Kavanaugh based on the specifics

713
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<v Speaker 8>of the speech as someone who had never met anyone

714
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<v Speaker 8>who worked in hourly wage. It is so unfair. I mean,

715
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<v Speaker 8>they're all they're all elite by virtue of being on

716
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<v Speaker 8>this Supreme Court. But Justice Kavanaugh, his mother was highly

717
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<v Speaker 8>respected Jog. Yes, he did have a nicer upbringing than

718
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<v Speaker 8>an alite Toe or a Thomas, but it's just an

719
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<v Speaker 8>ad hominem that was completely unnecessary, and she did apologize

720
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<v Speaker 8>for that, which I think is great and speaks to

721
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<v Speaker 8>how they do work at collegiality. These people disagree with

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<v Speaker 8>each other strongly. Or even the anecdote that I tell

723
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<v Speaker 8>in the book about Kagan screaming at Briar, she was

724
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<v Speaker 8>screaming at him because Briar, as liberal as he is,

725
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<v Speaker 8>he cared about his colleagues and he didn't want their

726
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<v Speaker 8>lives threatened. And he's trying to accommodate them because he

727
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<v Speaker 8>understands they're in a very bad situation with the leak

728
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<v Speaker 8>of the Dobbs decision. So you come out with respect

729
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<v Speaker 8>for how much they try, even if they fail. At

730
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<v Speaker 8>the camaraderie at times lolls and.

731
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<v Speaker 7>Like, oh, oh, I'm sorry, Peter, you had no and

732
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<v Speaker 7>the project of the originalists, this new I mean, who

733
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<v Speaker 7>knows what the presidential politics will be like, who knows

734
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<v Speaker 7>who's going to capture this, who knows whether it will last.

735
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<v Speaker 7>But the notion that right now there are six more

736
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<v Speaker 7>or less originalists, more or less conservative justices, and only

737
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<v Speaker 7>three liberals. Did you feel that the how to put well,

738
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<v Speaker 7>you're a big thinker, you said this yourself a moment ago.

739
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<v Speaker 7>Did you feel that they're taking advantage of this, that

740
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<v Speaker 7>the conservatives are taking advantage of the moment.

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<v Speaker 8>I think that's actually one of the big divisions among

742
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<v Speaker 8>the conservative justices or the originalist justices is the issue

743
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<v Speaker 8>of timing. Justice Thomas and Justice Alito have been on

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<v Speaker 8>the court for a long time when it was not

745
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<v Speaker 8>under originalist control. The three newer originalists, they're thinking, I

746
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<v Speaker 8>could be here for many decades. We have time to

747
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<v Speaker 8>get this all done. The older guys, I think they're thinking, well,

748
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<v Speaker 8>we might not have time. And also, if there's a

749
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<v Speaker 8>wrong that needs to be corrected, let's correct it now,

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<v Speaker 8>right now. And so I think that is a big division.

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<v Speaker 8>But I also think it reminds me of how after

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<v Speaker 8>winning the Cold War, you saw the conservative movement kind

753
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<v Speaker 8>of be confused about where it was and where it

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<v Speaker 8>was going.

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<v Speaker 4>Hayward and I were still confused.

756
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<v Speaker 8>Well, originalism has had so many successes on the Second

757
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<v Speaker 8>Amendment thanks to Justice Thomas. On First Amendment issues, the

758
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<v Speaker 8>court is fantastic. The religious freedom issue is better now

759
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<v Speaker 8>than it has been ever. Probably, you have affirmative action. Roberts,

760
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<v Speaker 8>who doesn't identify as an Originalist, hast done human's work

761
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<v Speaker 8>on overturning all of the bad racism racist issues. You

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<v Speaker 8>have Dobbs taking care of Roe, a fifty year project

763
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<v Speaker 8>of the movement. Well, with all those successes, you're also

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<v Speaker 8>starting to see people kind of sour on originalism. And

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<v Speaker 8>I think that the Justice Alito model is a really

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<v Speaker 8>good one going forward. He's very principled. He's also focused

767
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<v Speaker 8>on culture and community and what the purpose of rule

768
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<v Speaker 8>of law, and I think it's a way to blend

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<v Speaker 8>these warring factions. You know, right now in the movement

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<v Speaker 8>you have people who is like, all that matters is

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<v Speaker 8>the principles we hold, and I don't really like that's

772
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<v Speaker 8>the thing that matters. Then you have other people who say,

773
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<v Speaker 8>I'm so sick of principles. I just want to win

774
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<v Speaker 8>Well in Alito, you see that in fact, these things

775
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<v Speaker 8>having prudence and thought and strategy and principles, that they

776
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<v Speaker 8>work best together. They're not in conflict. We are both

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<v Speaker 8>principled and pragmatic people ideally right as Americans. So that

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<v Speaker 8>was the That was the main thing I myself learned

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<v Speaker 8>from studying him and his jurisprudence, and I hope that

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<v Speaker 8>the conservative movement and really Americans in general also pick

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<v Speaker 8>up that as well.

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<v Speaker 4>That is fast Wally.

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<v Speaker 3>Last question is Peter Robinson used to say, probably still does.

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<v Speaker 3>Besides all the marquee decisions, there's a there's a chance

785
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<v Speaker 3>here to do with FMDJ deep cuts sort of thing,

786
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<v Speaker 3>or you go to the B side you find the

787
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<v Speaker 3>third song that is really better than the other. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you have a favorite deep cut Alito opinion? Something under

789
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<v Speaker 3>the radar that demonstrated his wit and his incisiveness. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's one of the things you just kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>to bring up when the conversation turns Alito wise.

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<v Speaker 8>I will say that, Well, Randy Barnett always says that

793
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<v Speaker 8>Alito's First Amendment jurisprudence, where he's the loan dissenter, is

794
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<v Speaker 8>the one thing that sometimes makes him wonder if he's

795
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<v Speaker 8>wrong about these issues, So it's kind of fun to

796
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<v Speaker 8>study those. But for me, the deep cut is oral argument.

797
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<v Speaker 8>It's not a case, it's how Alito conducts himself in

798
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<v Speaker 8>oral argument. Kagan's very good at this. Justice Kagan and

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<v Speaker 8>Justice Alito, they understand that the best you can get

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<v Speaker 8>out of oral argument is to sort of shape your colleagues.

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<v Speaker 8>Your fellow justice is thinking about what the issue should

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<v Speaker 8>what the issue you're going to decide the case should

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<v Speaker 8>be on, what issue that should be. And they are

804
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<v Speaker 8>very good at guiding the advocate that they agree with

805
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<v Speaker 8>to stronger ground and then totally devastating their opponent. And

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<v Speaker 8>Alito has had some really fun ones with this. There

807
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<v Speaker 8>was a Minnesota case that said you couldn't wear tea

808
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<v Speaker 8>party gear at the election at a voting booth, and

809
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<v Speaker 8>he led the solicit the advocate down the path to

810
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<v Speaker 8>admitting that you couldn't wear a shirt that said the

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<v Speaker 8>First Amendment on it at the voting booth. Or he

812
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<v Speaker 8>got the Colorado advocate who was trying to violate Jack

813
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<v Speaker 8>Phillips's rights to create cakes according to his conscience, he

814
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<v Speaker 8>got him to admit that the entire basis of his

815
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<v Speaker 8>case was wrong. He said. He said, okay, So like

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<v Speaker 8>if someone wants to have a cake that says November

817
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<v Speaker 8>ninth the best date in history and it's about that

818
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<v Speaker 8>person's anniversary, he would have to make that cake, right,

819
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<v Speaker 8>And he says yes. So what if he came in

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<v Speaker 8>and says, I wanted to say November ninth best date

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<v Speaker 8>in history, but it's for Crystal not would he have

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<v Speaker 8>to do that? And the solicitor says no, that he

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<v Speaker 8>definitely wouldn't have to do it. Well, that was the

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<v Speaker 8>entire case. It was the entire case, and he got

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<v Speaker 8>the He got the guy who was trying to argue

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<v Speaker 8>the opposite to it to concede the whole thing and

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<v Speaker 8>it ends up being a big victory for Jack Phillips

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<v Speaker 8>and a loss for Colorado. So oral argument is where

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<v Speaker 8>you should pay attention to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Got All this and more is contained within the covers

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<v Speaker 3>of Alito, the Justice who reshaped the Supreme Court and

832
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<v Speaker 3>restored the Constitution. No Small Feet. That's a book by

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<v Speaker 3>Molly Hamingway. She's been her guest, And Molly will see

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<v Speaker 3>you on Fox and we'll see you on Twitter. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>from time to time, and thanks for joining us on

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<v Speaker 3>the show today. Write another book fast so we can.

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<v Speaker 7>Have you back as quickly as possible, and give me

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00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:45.320
<v Speaker 7>our best, give Mark our best.

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<v Speaker 8>Yep, we'll do great talking to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye bye, guys, Hey bye bye. Well, so many things

841
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:55.480
<v Speaker 3>left to talk about the best tweet of the week,

842
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 3>I think with somebody so that said that Ted Turnles

843
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.320
<v Speaker 3>Ted Turner's funeral arts at seven o five.

844
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:04.199
<v Speaker 4>Do you know what that means?

845
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Gentlemen?

846
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.960
<v Speaker 6>It wasn't that the game time for the Atlanta Braves

847
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 6>when he started Turner Broadcasting.

848
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.800
<v Speaker 3>No, no dead Turner when he started, when he started

849
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 3>TNT and all the rest of them started the shows

850
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.920
<v Speaker 3>at seven o five, which ensured that in TV Guide

851
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:19.920
<v Speaker 3>that they would break out that they wouldn't be seven

852
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:21.480
<v Speaker 3>o'clock with a whole bunch of other things, would be

853
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:27.320
<v Speaker 3>a separate entry whom. Oh my goodness, I like. I

854
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:29.639
<v Speaker 3>worked there for a year, so I quite remember that.

855
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.719
<v Speaker 6>I got to meet Turner once at his gigantic buffalo

856
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:36.639
<v Speaker 6>ranch in Montana outside Bozeman, and I have to say

857
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.039
<v Speaker 6>he's hilarious in person, maybe, I guess otherwise. I never

858
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:42.440
<v Speaker 6>paid too close attention to win, but Heyward.

859
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.559
<v Speaker 4>What Steve, Steve what what? Just what were you.

860
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:49.039
<v Speaker 7>Doing at a buffalo ranch outside Bozeman, Montana.

861
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.280
<v Speaker 6>It's an environmental thing because you know, he wanted to

862
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.639
<v Speaker 6>bring back the pre Columbian conditions for the buffalo and

863
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:57.679
<v Speaker 6>it was very controversial because over two hundred thousand acres

864
00:45:57.679 --> 00:45:59.920
<v Speaker 6>he sold off all the cattle that were on this ranch,

865
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.800
<v Speaker 6>which crashed the prices of beef in Montana that year.

866
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.719
<v Speaker 6>That really annoyed all the other cattle ranchers. And it's

867
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:07.480
<v Speaker 6>kind of a you know, you can see elements of

868
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:08.679
<v Speaker 6>it in the Yellowstone series.

869
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:12.119
<v Speaker 7>Did he succeed on his ranch in bringing back something

870
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:14.199
<v Speaker 7>some original conditions?

871
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

872
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.400
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no he I did a tour of the ranch

873
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.880
<v Speaker 6>in a jeep with one of his wildlife biologists explaining

874
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.079
<v Speaker 6>how they were restoring the streams to their original condition

875
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:25.199
<v Speaker 6>and getting out non native vegetation. And I mean it's ridiculous,

876
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.880
<v Speaker 6>I don't say ridiculous project, but it couldn't possibly last

877
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.280
<v Speaker 6>because invasive species are really not invasive in my own opinion.

878
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.920
<v Speaker 6>But the punchline was sitting around talking to him. He's

879
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:37.519
<v Speaker 6>a very gracious. How it's a small group of us,

880
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 6>you know, the free market, environmental crowd around perk, you know,

881
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:43.280
<v Speaker 6>friends of ours, and that is a small group. Someone said,

882
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 6>you know you've done all these things, you know, TNT

883
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:49.519
<v Speaker 6>America's Cup, the Goodwill Games with the Soviet Union, which

884
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:51.639
<v Speaker 6>was one of his dumb Cold War stunts. What do

885
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.719
<v Speaker 6>you consider your most innovative thing you've ever done in

886
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:56.559
<v Speaker 6>that long career of years? And he pauses from it,

887
00:46:56.599 --> 00:47:00.480
<v Speaker 6>and he said, marrying Jane Fonda, that was really the vative.

888
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:03.679
<v Speaker 6>I don't think I'll say any more about that, though at.

889
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:07.119
<v Speaker 3>Least he didn't see colorizing Casablanca. Somebody looks at Charles

890
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:08.800
<v Speaker 3>and somebody who lives in the in the South, would

891
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:10.840
<v Speaker 3>you'd like to explain cud zu to the guy who

892
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:14.159
<v Speaker 3>just said that invasive species aren't cud zuo?

893
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that the sort of Spanish mosqu type stuff? That's all?

894
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:20.039
<v Speaker 3>Yah? I think you have it a lot in Florida,

895
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:22.280
<v Speaker 3>but it was brought over and it's an invasive species

896
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.079
<v Speaker 3>and it's hardy to get rid of, as is the

897
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Asian carbon invasive species that we have up here. What

898
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:28.920
<v Speaker 3>do you mean an invasive species aren't?

899
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:30.960
<v Speaker 6>Well, maybe I shouldn't have said that, because that's a

900
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.280
<v Speaker 6>longer subject, but it's become another biological diverse.

901
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.599
<v Speaker 3>Biological diversity is our strength is that's no, well.

902
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:39.639
<v Speaker 4>Look a look, AT's a longer subject. I probably shouldn't

903
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 4>have said that because I baited you. But the point, the.

904
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:44.800
<v Speaker 6>Point is this invasive species has become another extremist tote

905
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.639
<v Speaker 6>of environmentalism. So I'm just pushing back against their abuse

906
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.559
<v Speaker 6>of it. Oh no, they're very disruptive to ecosystems. I

907
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:51.440
<v Speaker 6>totally can see that.

908
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:56.159
<v Speaker 2>But do you know I saw a debate about a

909
00:47:56.199 --> 00:48:00.960
<v Speaker 2>year ago as to what is the south? Obviously people

910
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 2>pile in, they have many different answers, but the best

911
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:07.480
<v Speaker 2>answer I saw was where kudzu grows. I think they're right.

912
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I think they're right. No, no, I just have to

913
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.599
<v Speaker 2>say this. We have a guy at National View called

914
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Stutterford. He used to be British. Yeah, he's now

915
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:18.119
<v Speaker 2>American like me. How do you used to be British? Well,

916
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:23.800
<v Speaker 2>because if you became an American citizen like me, American? Yeah,

917
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.559
<v Speaker 2>I did not know. We really need to tighten up

918
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:30.440
<v Speaker 2>the require pretty sure. But anyway, Andrew is the only

919
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 2>person I have met until Steve Hayward who just has

920
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:36.079
<v Speaker 2>this abundance of stories that start with things like well,

921
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.559
<v Speaker 2>of course it was nineteen sixty seven and I was

922
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:40.239
<v Speaker 2>in an open top car in Paris with.

923
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 5>You.

924
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:44.679
<v Speaker 2>Sorry you were what And Steve, I've noticed, Steve, you

925
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.280
<v Speaker 2>do this, you do start He's like, wow, I was

926
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.519
<v Speaker 2>in a treehouse in Okinawa, and.

927
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.960
<v Speaker 3>When you started to tell that story, for some reason,

928
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm seeing you as Sam O'Neill in Jurassic Park about

929
00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:02.440
<v Speaker 3>to see an enormous buffalo that genetically engineer. Speaking speaking

930
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:05.360
<v Speaker 3>of genetic engineering and strange things in science fiction, I

931
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:08.559
<v Speaker 3>love to hear exactly how you three guys are going

932
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:10.320
<v Speaker 3>to take this. Peter, calm down and.

933
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:16.119
<v Speaker 4>In too long. James, all right, all right, sorry.

934
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.960
<v Speaker 3>The government has begun what I believe is this modified hangout,

935
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 3>slow rollout of saying there's aliens. Then they're here, and

936
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:28.079
<v Speaker 3>they're under the ocean, and they're they're on the moon.

937
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:32.079
<v Speaker 3>But we can't just come out and destroy everybody's conception

938
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:34.079
<v Speaker 3>of the universe in our special place in it and

939
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.320
<v Speaker 3>possibly a threat in the metaphysical basis that people use

940
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.719
<v Speaker 3>to live their lives. So we're going to drip, drip trip.

941
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:41.440
<v Speaker 3>We're going to just give you little stuff, and then

942
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:42.920
<v Speaker 3>thirty days and then we're going to give you something

943
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:46.719
<v Speaker 3>more so today. Official government site, Official Pentagon photographs, Official

944
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 3>pentagrap renderings of FBI encounters. It's it's remarkable, really, and

945
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:55.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, when you combine it with what's been said

946
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.039
<v Speaker 3>and what's been shown and revealed for the last few years,

947
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 3>it really does seem as if they're sort of massage

948
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 3>us all to get used to this very important realization.

949
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.480
<v Speaker 3>Walter Kern, who is something of an interesting crank, I

950
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.679
<v Speaker 3>love him. I said that the probe will go in

951
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.719
<v Speaker 3>slowly and get the way a great way to describe it. Now, Peter,

952
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.719
<v Speaker 3>we know from previous podcasts, is utterly indifferent to space

953
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:19.800
<v Speaker 3>whatsoever when it comes to mankind going out there.

954
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:23.320
<v Speaker 4>We know that, Peter James dog Gunnet. I keep trying.

955
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:28.800
<v Speaker 7>The Cold War is over, we won taxpayers should not

956
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.800
<v Speaker 7>be taxed to if Elon Musks wants to fill the

957
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:36.840
<v Speaker 7>space with satellites, if he wants to go to Mars

958
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.119
<v Speaker 7>on his and his investors'.

959
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 4>Money, I'm all for it. I just don't think we

960
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:43.039
<v Speaker 4>should NASA is now.

961
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:47.199
<v Speaker 2>I agree with you, although it's literally the only thing

962
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:49.800
<v Speaker 2>besides the military that I'm happy for my tax doll

963
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.519
<v Speaker 2>is to be spent on basically every other thing I hate.

964
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:57.480
<v Speaker 2>And I watched MS two and I thought, yeah, okay,

965
00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't mind paying for this. I do agree with you.

966
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Ten years ago, I got to go to Cape Canaveral,

967
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:05.440
<v Speaker 2>hang out there for a day, access all areas, watch

968
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:08.440
<v Speaker 2>a launch, and they were selling me on private space

969
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.280
<v Speaker 2>travel because they said that's the future. Look at all

970
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:12.679
<v Speaker 2>these amazing companies, space exploragy and all of this. I'm

971
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.960
<v Speaker 2>totally with you that said. When I do see taxpayer

972
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>funded space exploration, it's one of the only times that

973
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't go give me my money back. I'm just

974
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:22.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of happy.

975
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:23.639
<v Speaker 5>All right.

976
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:26.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, the question gentlemen was about UFOs. What do you

977
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:30.159
<v Speaker 3>think the government is doing and do you believe them?

978
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:32.559
<v Speaker 6>Well, I've already told my one story for this episode,

979
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:34.599
<v Speaker 6>so I won't tell the story about my father and

980
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:38.079
<v Speaker 6>I when I was a young teenager doing UFO pranks

981
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:41.400
<v Speaker 6>at outdoor UFO conventions in the California desert.

982
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:43.679
<v Speaker 4>See actually to say some years in a row.

983
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.280
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't answer the questions do you believe that the

984
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:50.280
<v Speaker 3>government is rolling this stuff out in order to prepare

985
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 3>us for greater revelations to come that are you going

986
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:56.039
<v Speaker 3>to answer the question?

987
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:57.119
<v Speaker 4>No, over to you, Peter.

988
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 7>That presupposes far too much much competence on the part

989
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:06.280
<v Speaker 7>of the federal government. They couldn't plant. No, I don't

990
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:09.159
<v Speaker 7>believe that there's some kind of coordinated plan on the

991
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:13.599
<v Speaker 7>federal government slowly to massage because the federal government isn't

992
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.760
<v Speaker 7>that smart or that good at doing anything.

993
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:19.159
<v Speaker 3>Especially true in other words, than we had the whole

994
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:21.199
<v Speaker 3>six weeks to slow the spread, and then it's going

995
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:22.719
<v Speaker 3>to be another six and then it's going to be

996
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:23.800
<v Speaker 3>another six that we know.

997
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:25.760
<v Speaker 4>They didn't know what they were doing. They were making

998
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:26.760
<v Speaker 4>it up as they went along.

999
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.039
<v Speaker 6>Well, y, I've always had the iron law of conspiracies,

1000
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.599
<v Speaker 6>which is what it's There's an inverse relationship between the

1001
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.920
<v Speaker 6>plausibility of a conspiracy and the number of people who

1002
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 6>would have to be involved to carry it off. Where's

1003
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 6>JFK's assassination and so forth. I got to think something

1004
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.519
<v Speaker 6>would have leaked out at some point over the years,

1005
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:44.639
<v Speaker 6>and and then there are few people say, look, I've

1006
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:46.719
<v Speaker 6>been but I never know whether to believe these witnesses

1007
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:48.320
<v Speaker 6>that come forward to congressional hearings.

1008
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 3>You you never know.

1009
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:49.519
<v Speaker 2>I was.

1010
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.920
<v Speaker 3>I was at a studio Studio fifty seven, yeah, area

1011
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:54.800
<v Speaker 3>fifty one, and I you know, I saw the gray

1012
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:58.239
<v Speaker 3>on the table being dissected. I don't know, right, I

1013
00:52:58.280 --> 00:52:59.559
<v Speaker 3>tend not to believe it. But on the other hand,

1014
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:01.880
<v Speaker 3>when NAS says, by the way, here's a photograph we

1015
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:04.599
<v Speaker 3>never released before from Apollo seventeen that shows these three

1016
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:08.280
<v Speaker 3>lights hovering over them as they're doing their business. That

1017
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:10.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, it wasn't a leaked before because it was

1018
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.280
<v Speaker 3>held deep, deep, deep in a vault for reasons. So

1019
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:16.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, Yes, anybody who watches the IS International Space

1020
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Station feed knows that sometimes it just cuts out and

1021
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.320
<v Speaker 3>people look at what it was doing before it cuts out,

1022
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.000
<v Speaker 3>and they'll find something in the court. Yes, it's the

1023
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:30.480
<v Speaker 3>whole space is polluted by grifters and people with bizarre

1024
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.199
<v Speaker 3>ideas who want to believe that comment that just went

1025
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.119
<v Speaker 3>around the sun. I mean, if you're hanging on the

1026
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.639
<v Speaker 3>subreddit's about people discussing what that was, you know that

1027
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.599
<v Speaker 3>there are just absolute lunatics out there. But at the

1028
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 3>same time, just because there are lunatics who believe it,

1029
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:44.960
<v Speaker 3>does not believe there's not a core of truth at

1030
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:48.400
<v Speaker 3>the essence of it. Okay, all right, coming back down

1031
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:52.159
<v Speaker 3>to earth La, Spencer Pratt, We're all looking at saying,

1032
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.400
<v Speaker 3>why isn't this guy gonna win? He makes these audacious

1033
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:58.559
<v Speaker 3>commercials where he says things like, yes, in the future,

1034
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.639
<v Speaker 3>we will arrest criminals and they'll even be put in handcuffs,

1035
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.719
<v Speaker 3>we will take the needles off the street, and we

1036
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:06.880
<v Speaker 3>will arrest the people who are selling the drugs and

1037
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.239
<v Speaker 3>plane the parts of the homeless people. And everybody rears

1038
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:10.760
<v Speaker 3>back in horror when.

1039
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:12.519
<v Speaker 4>Actually what he's doing is saying doing.

1040
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:16.519
<v Speaker 3>He's talking about the absolute base level, what ought to

1041
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:20.440
<v Speaker 3>be a mayoral competence, what ought to be the responsibilities

1042
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:25.199
<v Speaker 3>of government. But yet people in alsay La say, yeah,

1043
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:27.400
<v Speaker 3>non of sucks. But I don't know.

1044
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:29.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go with the Marxist. I don't get it.

1045
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:30.679
<v Speaker 4>I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 7>So we're going to Steve and I are going to

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<v Speaker 7>have to defer to Charlie and you to talk about

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<v Speaker 7>California because for Steve and me, and we've discussed this

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00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:42.639
<v Speaker 7>over at the last day and a half now, it's

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<v Speaker 7>too painful. We love this state too much. Steve Hilton

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<v Speaker 7>is now leading in the polls Steve Hilton, the Republican,

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00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.480
<v Speaker 7>is now leading in the polls. In the gubernatorial race.

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<v Speaker 7>Pratt seems to be breaking through and the mayoral race.

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<v Speaker 7>And Steve and I have had our hearts broken by

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<v Speaker 7>this gorgeous As we sit here, we can raise our

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<v Speaker 7>heads and look out the window, and we see the

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<v Speaker 7>Santa Barbara Pier and the cloud, the fog beginning to

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<v Speaker 7>dissolve in the morning sun, and the glistening of the Pacific.

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<v Speaker 7>We're about to go up to Ronald Reagan's ranch in

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<v Speaker 7>a moment or two, a few minutes, and if the

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<v Speaker 7>fog lifts up there, we'll be able to turn in

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<v Speaker 7>one direction and see the Channel Islands glistening in the Pacific,

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<v Speaker 7>and turn in the other direction and see the Santa

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<v Speaker 7>Inez Valley, which is one of the most beautiful places

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<v Speaker 7>on the planet. Don't torture us, chains we cannot permit

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<v Speaker 7>ourselves to get our hopes up again.

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<v Speaker 3>Miel I understand, I absolutely understand completely. It's how I

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<v Speaker 3>feel about Minnesota. I mean, I live in a Dina now,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a nice, little wealthy suburb. They said, we've

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<v Speaker 3>had two murders in three weeks now. As they say,

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<v Speaker 3>don't worry. It weren't stranger murders there. People knew each other, like, oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, James. I had that as I live in a

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<v Speaker 2>Dina now and I thought that was really appropriate given

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<v Speaker 2>your podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>And yes it was an anagram of sorts. But but

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<v Speaker 3>I am strongly considering decamping to a small, little rivertown

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00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.000
<v Speaker 3>where I can live out sort of a Twin Peaks, uh,

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00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:18.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, a little small town main street experience.

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<v Speaker 7>Because okay, so this fantasy somewhere between fantasy and plan

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00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.480
<v Speaker 7>of yours. You want to stay in Minneapolis or are

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<v Speaker 7>you tempted to go back home to the Dakota's No,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not. I mean stay in Minnesota or go back

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<v Speaker 7>home to Minnesota. Down on the Mississippi. There are some

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<v Speaker 7>wonderful little towns down in the Mississippi where you can

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<v Speaker 7>live a perfectly decent life. And and that's where I

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<v Speaker 7>think I'm going to spend the last act.

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<v Speaker 3>So I get it. I absolutely get it completely. We

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00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:46.960
<v Speaker 3>are run by lunatics.

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<v Speaker 4>Theirs.

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<v Speaker 3>When you turn around, when you look at them and

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<v Speaker 3>you say, where's the seed corn for next for you know,

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00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.159
<v Speaker 3>the next planting season, they look at you and they said, oh,

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00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:56.960
<v Speaker 3>we microwaved the last of that last night, and you know,

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00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:57.719
<v Speaker 3>there was a movie on it.

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00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:58.840
<v Speaker 4>We needed some popcorn.

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<v Speaker 3>They just destroyed it, consumed the social capital of this

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<v Speaker 3>place that wants me to work. I would, and in

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<v Speaker 3>the same sense that it's duplicated in every other place

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<v Speaker 3>where people build a decent society. And then you know,

1100
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:14.000
<v Speaker 3>hard Man, strong Man, week Men, bad Man, that whole cycle,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're the worst part of it, and so is California.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just don't want to think that years to

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00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:19.920
<v Speaker 3>come from now, they'll look back on it and say

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<v Speaker 3>that they absolutely squandered the future of the Golden State

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00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:31.519
<v Speaker 3>for ridiculous, obscene, Marxist little smelly orthodoxies and plans is

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00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:32.360
<v Speaker 3>or Well called them.

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<v Speaker 7>Charlie's trying to suppress. I hope he's trying to suppress

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00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.199
<v Speaker 7>the earth. To gloat now, the only man on this

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00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:41.760
<v Speaker 7>podcast who lives in a state that.

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<v Speaker 2>Works, I'm not. I'm genuinely not. I've only been to

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00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota once and it was brief, so I don't know

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00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:52.400
<v Speaker 2>much about Minnesota. But as you know, Peter, I adore California.

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<v Speaker 2>I've spent lots of time in California ever since I

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00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:57.360
<v Speaker 2>was a little kid, and I think it's a great

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00:57:57.400 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 2>tragedy what's happening to California. So I'm not one of

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00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:03.559
<v Speaker 2>those servatives it says in California. I love California. I

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00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:06.320
<v Speaker 2>just think it's an absolute disgrace how it's been run.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not I'm not going to I will. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>invite you all to come join me in North Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm certainly not going to close.

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<v Speaker 7>We will join the only militia where middle initials are

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00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:21.000
<v Speaker 7>permitted to Charles CW. Cook militia exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Charles, could you say something so we can get

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<v Speaker 3>you up full screen here? I know again, as I said,

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<v Speaker 3>podcast is a medium, so Charles say.

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<v Speaker 2>Something, say something. Hello, I'm Charles Cook and I am

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<v Speaker 2>in a militia in North Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to get a screen grab of this, because

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<v Speaker 3>even though I said the podcast is a visual is

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<v Speaker 3>an audio medium. Some people will watch this, I assume,

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<v Speaker 3>And we want to put this in the comments at Ricochet.

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<v Speaker 3>What is Ricochet? Well, if you haven't figured out after

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00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:48.400
<v Speaker 3>seven hundred and eighty eight podcasts, it's the place founded

1134
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:51.400
<v Speaker 3>in part by Peter Robinson. Again, well, please to have

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00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:53.400
<v Speaker 3>with us and rob long and for all these years

1136
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:56.440
<v Speaker 3>it has been your home for saying civil center, right conversation.

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00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:59.079
<v Speaker 3>There's a code of conduct you got to behave. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why the comment sections are as fun as they are,

1139
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:02.679
<v Speaker 3>and the community has arisen over the years. That's the

1140
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:04.519
<v Speaker 3>sort of thing you've been looking for all your days

1141
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:06.760
<v Speaker 3>on the internet. You can go to the main page

1142
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:08.519
<v Speaker 3>and read, you can listen to the podcast, but for

1143
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:13.360
<v Speaker 3>a very few, very few, small, little little emilient you

1144
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.719
<v Speaker 3>can join the member side, which is where you'll find

1145
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.519
<v Speaker 3>a community that discusses absolutely everything you want to and

1146
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 3>if they're not discussing what you want to, start a conversation,

1147
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:23.440
<v Speaker 3>if you want to come to your house, well they'll

1148
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:25.320
<v Speaker 3>come to your town and meet up. So it's just

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00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:28.119
<v Speaker 3>it's a great place and we love it and Charles

1150
00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:31.639
<v Speaker 3>will soon be rolling out all sorts of innovations in Ricochet.

1151
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:34.679
<v Speaker 3>I believe five point zero. But now it's the pop

1152
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:40.400
<v Speaker 3>culture speed Round for Peter Robinson and Stephen Hayward and

1153
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:44.079
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be this. Charles has reconfigured his room.

1154
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:46.079
<v Speaker 3>I've noticed there is a bench that used to be

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00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:48.400
<v Speaker 3>in the back that isn't there anymore. There's a desk

1156
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:51.159
<v Speaker 3>in the corner, but he has prominently displayed four album

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00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:53.239
<v Speaker 3>covers which he believes what he wants us to see

1158
00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:56.599
<v Speaker 3>because they indicate his taste. Steven name those four album

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<v Speaker 3>covers right to left.

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<v Speaker 4>Go. I can't see them closely enough my screen, I

1161
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:01.400
<v Speaker 4>can see.

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01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:03.679
<v Speaker 3>I can see them right here. I've got a little,

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01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:05.960
<v Speaker 3>fine little screen, Charles. I say something, so we can

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01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:09.320
<v Speaker 3>so we can see them again, see it. We can

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01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:11.400
<v Speaker 3>cut this out if you want here we can maybe

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01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:13.679
<v Speaker 3>we can. Can you zoom in on them? I can

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01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:16.480
<v Speaker 3>tell them from here, and you're a thumbnail. For Heaven's sakes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know if I can zoom

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<v Speaker 2>in on them.

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<v Speaker 4>Stephen, Do you see them?

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01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Can you?

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<v Speaker 5>I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't make them out, James.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Charlie being Charlie. One of them is a Beatles album.

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01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:31.000
<v Speaker 7>At the other the one one of the right is

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01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:33.119
<v Speaker 7>Endless Summers by the Beach Boys. The next one, Oh

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01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:36.760
<v Speaker 7>Beach Boys. It's a lineup, and then next one is

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01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:39.159
<v Speaker 7>Level of Gold by Dire Straits. The other one is

1179
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:41.920
<v Speaker 7>You Wish You Were Here by by Pink Floyd, which

1180
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:44.000
<v Speaker 7>has the fireman who's the guy who's exped you know,

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01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:46.199
<v Speaker 7>bursting into fires a stuntman or died a little while ago.

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01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:48.480
<v Speaker 3>And then and then on its end, a little bit

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01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:50.880
<v Speaker 3>more difficult to see because it's stilted away from us.

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01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Is the butt of Bruce Springsteen in Born in the Usa. Mission, Charles,

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01:00:55.280 --> 01:00:56.920
<v Speaker 3>should you decide to accept it is to put up

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01:00:56.960 --> 01:00:58.840
<v Speaker 3>four different albums.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so funny that you say this, because I

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01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:03.199
<v Speaker 2>just completely redid my office, and I know I have

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01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:05.960
<v Speaker 2>a camera here, so my my screen is moving around.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll change that. But but and I said to

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01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.599
<v Speaker 2>my wife, I'm going to change the album covers in

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01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.079
<v Speaker 2>the background. Every time I said this, I would do

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01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:16.920
<v Speaker 2>this just to entertain people. And you have gone for it.

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01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:19.320
<v Speaker 2>So this is clearly a good ideas.

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<v Speaker 4>James.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, quick question James for elaboration later. Are you keeping

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<v Speaker 6>up with a new trend in microtonal punk out of Canada?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 4>Note I did not make that.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you talking about the guys who were the word

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01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:40.199
<v Speaker 3>stripe costumes? Yeah? Growing up the internet, they're awesome. They're

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01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:46.280
<v Speaker 3>absolutely showing up in my I hadn't I forgot the

1203
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:48.559
<v Speaker 3>fact that they were micro tonal, but yeah, you know,

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01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:51.119
<v Speaker 3>they're they're quite unique. I'm waiting for a reveal where

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01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:53.440
<v Speaker 3>it turns out to be Ringo and Clapton or something

1206
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:56.079
<v Speaker 3>like that do what they always wanted to do, but

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01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:58.239
<v Speaker 3>the man was holding them back. The man is not

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01:01:58.280 --> 01:01:59.920
<v Speaker 3>holding me back from doing what I'm doing now, which

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<v Speaker 3>is ending the show. Thanking Peter, thanking Stephen, thanking Charles,

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<v Speaker 3>Thanking you the listener, advising you to join ricochet dot com,

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<v Speaker 3>patronize all of the sponsors who are peppered throughout the podcast,

1212
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<v Speaker 3>and join us in the conversation if you will, please,

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see you all in the comments. Guys at Ricochet

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<v Speaker 3>four point whatever. Bye bye, bye, bye bye
