WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:02.960 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.879 AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:07.200 on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:11.919 Hey Gary, now your face is graduated to acceptable for 5 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:13.400 a sixty six year old. 6 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:17.559 You're climbing up the ladder. Thank you, congratulations. Ah, my 7 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:18.239 heart is full. 8 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:20.640 What else is going on? 9 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:25.679 Time for what's happening? Wow? 10 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:28.440 We mentioned this in the first hour. More than fifty 11 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:32.280 thousand La County workers walking picket lines to demand higher pay. 12 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:36.399 As Michael Monks from KFI News mentioned earlier, it's kind 13 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:38.240 of a time where you want to read the room 14 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:43.479 right with them picketing for higher pay when they're brethren 15 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:48.719 for the La City LA City departments are just getting 16 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:53.520 laid off. This strike could mean closures or disruptions at libraries, 17 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:58.920 healthcare clinics, administrative offices across La County. Union leaders say 18 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:02.439 the two day walkout out that began last night comes 19 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:06.079 because of failed negotiations for a new contract after the 20 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:08.439 last one inspired expired back in March. 21 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:12.040 We also mentioned the dire straits that the county is in. 22 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:15.840 The County Board of Supervisors today is expected to approve 23 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.120 a settlement of more than six the eight hundred claims 24 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:22.599 of sexual abuse perpetrated by juveniles in juvenile facilities or 25 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:26.040 foster care that goes back decades. This would probably be 26 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:29.239 about a four billion dollar settlement and is considered to 27 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:33.519 be the costliest payout in county history. 28 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:37.000 Can I have some sad music please, so that we 29 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:37.920 can all cope? 30 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:40.840 Body, body, body, body, body, boody body. 31 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:43.319 I mean that what kind of helps the news a 32 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:49.840 little bit, but this is kind of sad stuff. Enjoy 33 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:53.280 the sun now because it's going to get it still 34 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:56.840 own out, cooler, cloudier, and a chance of ragin by 35 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:57.400 the weekend. 36 00:01:58.079 --> 00:01:59.359 Did we do this last weekend? 37 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:05.000 Our friend Henry from KTLA says, yes, temperatures today are great, 38 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.039 but look at Thursday. We've got a storm to the 39 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:14.319 north and it's throwing some moisture back our way. So 40 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:17.159 maybe a chance of maybe Wednesday evening picking up some 41 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:21.479 dark clouds. Guys, maybe a little light sprinkle here or 42 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:26.560 there on Thursday. We're not taking a direct hit, but 43 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:28.520 it will be cloudy and cool. 44 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:34.159 Meanwhile, people in actual other parts of the country do 45 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:38.400 see weather. Severe weather underway today. They say life threatening 46 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.439 flooding is expected to hit the plane states. This weather 47 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:45.479 is going to continue to be bad, probably through. 48 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:47.560 This weekend. 49 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:51.879 Two reported tornadoes already, one near Minnesota and another one 50 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:56.120 near fall Kenyan, Minnesota, and another one near Fall Creek, Wisconsin. 51 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:00.960 The papal conclave will kick off in a week. May 52 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:03.840 seventh is when it will begin, and the early bets 53 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:06.599 are that it will last two or three days. People 54 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:11.680 in the no predict maybe there are some cardinals that 55 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:16.560 have kind of shined in the initial meetings. Amongst the 56 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:19.680 one hundred or so one hundred and twenty cardinals that 57 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:21.560 will be crowning the new pope. 58 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:27.280 One of them will not be Cardinal Angelo Beccio. We've 59 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.199 talked about this guy. This is a guy who five 60 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:33.400 years ago was put on trial in a Vatican criminal 61 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:37.639 court for allegations of financial misconduct. He was convicted of 62 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:40.479 finance related charges a couple of years ago. He's appealing 63 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:44.280 the conviction and the prison sentence that he was supposed 64 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:46.560 to be serving five and a half year prison sentence. 65 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:50.120 He did participate in some of the pre conclave meetings. 66 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.840 The Cardinal Angelo Buccio has decided that he is going 67 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:58.599 to withdraw from participation in the conclave for the good 68 00:03:58.639 --> 00:03:58.919 of the. 69 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:05.439 Church have a sweet story about baby ducklings, and that 70 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:09.840 is redundant. Yes, it sure is. No, no, no, no, no, 71 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:12.960 I don't have a duck story. Showed me the booty 72 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:18.000 give me kind of waddled their little booties, don't they. Yeah, 73 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:22.160 I don't know if we should sex up the ducklings. 74 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:22.920 That's kind of weird. 75 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:29.519 Listen to the Jesus, Okay, so we know what it is. 76 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:32.639 At least seven ducklings were in need of help, guys. 77 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:35.800 They were trying to cross a busy road in Irvine. 78 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:39.199 You know how wide those streets in Irvine can be. 79 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:45.079 Imagine being a little duckling. What a sissphician task to cross? Jamboree? 80 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:46.680 Can you even see the other side of it? 81 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.600 You cannot if you're a little baby duckling. Are your 82 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:54.480 eyes even fully functional? It was Sunday and it was 83 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.839 at Irvine Center Drive in Jeffrey, so I wasn't far off. 84 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:04.519 Patrol and Animals Serve were called and the arriving officers 85 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:08.040 found the small brood of ducklings trying to dodge traffic 86 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:12.000 while waddling across the road without their mother. You guys, 87 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:17.199 The officers managed to corral the ducklings and place them 88 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:20.720 into a box before determining what to do next. Now 89 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:24.120 you may think it's odd that the police responded to it. Nay, 90 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.639 I say, nay, it is not odd. The police department 91 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:31.439 has reminded the public to indeed call officers if a 92 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:34.920 wild animal needs help. Don't try to do it yourself. 93 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:37.160 I know, but wild animal makes it sound like is 94 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:38.800 there a giant attack ducks? 95 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:42.800 Did you see the picture of the ducklings? How cute 96 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:46.000 are they? Aren't? They just the cutest things ever. They're 97 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:50.759 like dark brown and yellow ducklings, and their little faces 98 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.240 and their chests are yellow. Very cute. 99 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:56.199 I mean, despite the amount of porridge that they produce 100 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:58.000 every single day. 101 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:01.360 I think that one that one pooped right there. I know, 102 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:05.079 that's fine. Listen, everybody pooped. 103 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.040 I'm amazed that this is not a capital offence in 104 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.720 the city of Los Angeles. That's a mural that pays 105 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:14.360 tribute to Kobe and Gg Bryant vandalized in downtown LA. 106 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:15.399 Oh, people are awful. 107 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.800 This is on Main Street or West fourteenth. It was 108 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:24.720 originally painted by slow motion Louie Motion. Shortly after Kobe 109 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:26.680 and Gg and seven other people were killed in that 110 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:30.120 helicopter crash, you can believe more than five years ago. 111 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:34.839 But they showed a bunch of graffiti that was spray 112 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:38.319 painted over most of the mural. Not clear exactly when 113 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.199 it was vandalized. Timing wiser or who would have been responsible, obviously, 114 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:45.759 and already there's a GoFundMe Paige to help raise money 115 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:49.079 to help restore the mural. 116 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:52.519 Gary and Shannon, We'll continue. Don't forget. It's Tuesday, which 117 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:56.439 means true crime Tuesday. We've got a story about a 118 00:06:56.519 --> 00:07:00.920 teenage couple. It was a cheerleader and the last president 119 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:07.399 that were killed in nineteen eighty five. And these murders 120 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:11.079 are still rocking this small town in Indiana because a 121 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.360 lot of the people who are around when this happened 122 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.800 and were terrorized by the idea of somebody still out 123 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:20.680 there now work for the police department that continues to 124 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:22.439 investigate this double murder. 125 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:27.079 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI 126 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:28.240 AM six forty. 127 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:31.959 Hey, Gary, Shannon John down in Orange County, you were 128 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:37.959 talking about drinking champagne. I will tell you, prior to 129 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:40.600 my wife and I getting married, she and her mom 130 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.360 and sister drug me to a bridal show, but they 131 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.720 were handing out free champagne and I had probably seven 132 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.879 eight glasses of it. Next thing I know, I am 133 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:54.600 laughing like a crazy person. I got tears in my 134 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.519 eyes and I'm on the floor laughing so hard. 135 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.680 It's bad stuff, man, that'll do it to you. 136 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:03.160 The other thing we were talking about earlier was the 137 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:11.720 rise in physical media. People are buying again vinyl records, CDs, DVDs, 138 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:15.360 or or they're finding new value in the collections that 139 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:16.199 they've already got. 140 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:19.240 No way can I ever get rid of my CD collection? So, 141 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:22.720 like Shannon, I kept all of my CDs in one 142 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:25.360 of those book things with a bunch of sleeves in it. 143 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.920 And when my mom moved to California, she was so 144 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:32.679 kind to bring all of my jewel cases and give 145 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:34.799 them to me, and was going through them with my 146 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:38.759 children and found from the nineteen hundreds a blank T 147 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:41.480 one eighty two CD signed by Travis Barker. 148 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:43.360 They were like, you used to be cool. 149 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:46.480 Oh my god, I'm so using that every day now. 150 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:49.679 From the nineteen hundreds. That is genius. It's so good. 151 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.559 Hy Gary and Shannon Amber from Freezer Park. I have 152 00:08:54.360 --> 00:09:02.399 probably about seven thousand DVDs. I have a few hundred vhs, 153 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:07.039 and my father just gave me his entire record collection, 154 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.960 so I have a few hundred albums now, and I 155 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:12.279 still have all my CDs, probably a few hundred of 156 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:12.799 those too. 157 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:16.039 Anyways, have a great day. 158 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.559 The key is I still have those CDs. 159 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:22.840 I have a DVD player, a Blu Ray, but I 160 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:25.240 don't have it. I don't have a dedicated CD player 161 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:28.320 to play them on, any of the old you know, 162 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:30.840 stereo equipment that I kept or anything. I don't have 163 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:36.279 CD players anymore, which some people probably don't either. 164 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:40.600 Hey, Griyan Shannon, I have a huge collection of vinyl 165 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:43.399 and CDs from the eighties. 166 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:45.240 And nineties, from the nineteen hundreds of the. 167 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:52.080 Police, Blondie, Squeeze, Tears for Fears, the Sex Pistols, the 168 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:57.279 Pet Shop Boys, cold Play, and more, which to pass 169 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:59.919 on to my nephews. 170 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:01.559 I don't know if I would have put Coldplay in 171 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:07.039 that list, but well that's because that's nearing your your 172 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:07.919 catalog there. 173 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:09.720 Coldplay has been around a long time. 174 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:14.320 Not not like Blondie and Tears for Fears. 175 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:20.120 No, you are all I mean saying that thing. 176 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.559 I want to know where this is going? I can't 177 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.600 see the road here. What's happening? 178 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:28.639 Big Garyan Shanna. I started my collection of CDs back 179 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:31.879 in the early two thousands and have approximately two thousand 180 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:34.799 plus CDs as I continue to add to it as 181 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:38.279 I go out to record stores. I prefer the clarity 182 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:42.279 of the reproduction of the music, and as I've already 183 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:44.480 bought the CDs, I could always rip the music and 184 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:46.639 put it onto my phone and the cloud and any 185 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.360 media that I choose, rather to have give somebody else 186 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:51.440 money to listen to the same stuff that I purchased 187 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:54.799 a decade ago, if not longer, plus no commercials. 188 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.159 I was just going to say Coldplay is also from 189 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:58.399 the nineteen hundreds. 190 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:01.799 Well, I'm not saying they're not, but she was refraining. 191 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.039 I mean, we're going going to you know, century specific. 192 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.120 I bet your kids, Well, maybe. 193 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:12.480 My kids would know who Coldplay is, ye, they would 194 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:14.759 not have known who in those other hey guys. 195 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:17.840 On the CDs, DVDs and albums. I've probably got well 196 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:20.919 over three hundred CDs a bunch of DVDs. I have 197 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:23.799 no clue, but the treasure chess is I have over 198 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:27.159 five hundred albums going back to the sixties, even some 199 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:30.120 early Beatles and stones that are in Mono. I'm older 200 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.360 and you guys obviously, and I can't part with them. 201 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:34.240 I just can't. 202 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:37.399 I think one of the things we did when we're 203 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.480 cleaning out my parents' house was we found a bunch 204 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.320 of records. Now, we went through a flood in nineteen 205 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:49.120 eighty one and a lot of their albums, their record albums, 206 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:51.720 were in the flood. So what they did was they 207 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:55.559 took each record out, they rinsed it off because it 208 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:59.240 was muddy water not muddy waters, and they rinsed off 209 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:01.840 and they lay it flat and they put a paper 210 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:04.159 towel down, and they'd rinse the next one and put 211 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:05.759 it on top of that one and put a paper 212 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:09.080 towel out. So there was a stack of I don't know, 213 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:14.720 thirty or forty records, separated by paper towels because and 214 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:16.720 then they never did anything with them. They I mean, 215 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.120 they moved from northern California down to central California with 216 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.960 those stacks. So I was going through stacks of old 217 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:27.000 records like that. Now, they weren't cool. It wasn't rolling 218 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:29.879 stones or beetles or anything like that. It was like 219 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:34.320 classical music or the Count Basie Orchestra or something like that. 220 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.399 Very cool, which, yes, but that's not what I was 221 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:37.879 looking for. 222 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:42.879 Well, sometimes we find exactly what we need. 223 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:46.679 Okay, okay, easy, Jay, Shetty. 224 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.279 Happy Tuesday, Gary and Channon. You all must be listening 225 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.840 to my conversations because I was on the phone last 226 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:57.679 night with my nineteen year old grandson trying to teach 227 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:00.840 him how to use a record player. He figured out 228 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:02.720 how to turn it on. He asked me, how do 229 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:03.639 I change a song? 230 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:05.519 I told him count. 231 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.519 The lines, fast forward, have a great days? 232 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.799 A good question, though, if you haven't seen somebody do it. Yeah, 233 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:15.240 that's cool that he's able to call his grandmother and 234 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:17.399 that she can give him that advice. I love that. 235 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:20.519 How do you fast forward the song? 236 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:22.240 What do you think your crand kids are going to 237 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:25.399 call you and ask about the good old days the 238 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:35.000 nineteen hundreds? Yea, Grandpa, what was it like? In all right, 239 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:41.399 We've got a true Crame, true Crame, True crime Tuesday 240 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:42.200 story for you. 241 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:44.000 No, that's also from the nineteen hundreds. 242 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:45.960 It is from the nineteen hundreds, the year of our 243 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:52.039 Lord of nineteen eighty five. This is a double murder 244 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:55.720 of If you come from a small town, you can 245 00:13:55.799 --> 00:14:00.440 imagine how much this would stay with you. The order 246 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:05.360 of the class president and a cheerleader fifteen and sixteen 247 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:10.440 years old, if you are growing up, if you have kids, 248 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:13.559 if you're in high school, if you live in the town, 249 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:17.039 this stays with you your whole life. Stories like this 250 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:20.000 because it was never even solved. 251 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:21.240 Crazy story. 252 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:25.960 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 253 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:27.480 Am six forty and this. 254 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:30.559 Time on Tuesdays, we like to dive into a true 255 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.639 crime case and all too often they are cold cases, 256 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:35.039 and this one is no different. 257 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:41.759 The story is true. That's true. No, it sounds made up. 258 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:42.240 I don't know. 259 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:47.279 Gary and Shannon present True Crime. 260 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:53.919 Mounsey, Indiana is the locale of our true crime Tuesday Tail. 261 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.360 This was a story that began on September twenty eighth, 262 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:03.080 nineteen eighty five. We're talking about sixteen year old Ethan 263 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:08.159 Dixon and fifteen year old Kimberly Dow. Ethan is on 264 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:11.399 the debate team. He's president of the junior class at 265 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:16.000 Northside High School. Tons of friends. Kimberly JV cheerleader. She 266 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.360 had just been elected to the Court of the homecoming 267 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:23.039 Queen the week before. These two were found shot and 268 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:27.639 killed in the hatchback in west Side Park on September 269 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:31.639 twenty eighth, nineteen eighty five. Happened to be a police 270 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:32.960 officer that found them. 271 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.559 Yeah, just before midnight, this officer from Munsey, Indiana and 272 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.679 his canine were walking in west Side Park right along 273 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.279 White River Boulevard, not far from Tillotson. You know, that 274 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:49.320 is Tillotson and White River. Although parks closed at eleven 275 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.480 o'clock at night, a few cars were still in the park. 276 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.399 That wasn't that unusual. He wasn't there to bust people necessarily. 277 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:56.919 He gets back to his car with the dog, ready 278 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:59.360 to leave the park, and he realizes that there are 279 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:02.159 some fresh tire tracks leading to a parked car, and 280 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:04.360 he thought, well, you shouldn't be there now. 281 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:05.399 I mean, it'd be. 282 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:06.919 One thing if you were staying and gonna leave, but 283 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:10.440 you shouldn't show up now. So his headlights sweep the car, 284 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.399 and the people in the car didn't react to that. 285 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:16.159 So he gets out and he walks up to the car. 286 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.159 Its engine was still idling, and you could see a 287 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.200 portable stereo visible in the back. Now kids. Back in 288 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.759 the nineteen hundreds, cars didn't come with great stereos. They 289 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:30.200 just didn't. The sound quality sucked, so sometimes you'd take 290 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.039 your boom box. In the eighties, it was a popular 291 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.600 item to have a big, old stereo and you'd put 292 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:37.759 it in the backseat to your car so you'd have 293 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:40.759 a better sound system. That is what they saw in 294 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.840 the back of the car. They also saw that the 295 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:46.159 officer also saw two fully clothed people, a young man 296 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:48.120 and a young woman. They were in the front seats 297 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:52.639 and it was Kimberly and Ethan that had both been 298 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:53.919 shot in the temple. 299 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:56.720 He was shot in the torso, oh, I'm. 300 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:58.759 Sorry she had been shot in the temple. Now, the 301 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:02.039 window glass on the passenger side of the car was shattered, 302 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:06.440 so whoever who fired those shots in was on Kimberly's side. 303 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:10.920 So you can imagine a small town month not tiny, 304 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.599 but a small town like Munsey, Indiana. The deaths of 305 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:20.079 two teenagers like this, very popular kids, was shattering to 306 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:25.599 this community and they all wanted to see this thing solved. 307 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:28.200 Now, in this day and age, you'd have what cell 308 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:32.200 phone records, text messages, emails, all of those things that 309 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:36.039 make solving crimes doable. In nineteen eighty five, none of 310 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:41.839 that existed and so on its face there seemed to 311 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:44.759 be no rhyme or reason, like you said, just good 312 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:50.480 kids at the time. Paul Cox, he's now seventy one. 313 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:55.000 He was captain in charge of officer training. Why was 314 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.039 he there and why was he given the case? What 315 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:00.519 that Maloney title? Well, the reason he had that Bologney 316 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:04.240 title is he was demoted when he chose the wrong 317 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:07.200 mayoral candidate in the previous election. So he was sent 318 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.039 to Siberia of the police agency, which happened to be 319 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:16.400 in charge of officer training. But he was also very 320 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:19.960 well seasoned, so he was put in charge of this investigation. 321 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:23.200 He was pulled from his usual duties and put in charge. 322 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.079 He took the case file home. Paul did covered his 323 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:28.200 family room floor with his contents. 324 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:30.519 Interesting that he. 325 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:37.599 Focused on Kimberly Dowell's stepfather as a potential suspect in 326 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:42.519 this case. Mom claims that the stepfather was home the 327 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:44.680 whole time and didn't actually leave the house until they 328 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:49.079 had received word that Kimberly was missing or was gone, 329 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:51.480 and that they were trying to find him. Sorry that 330 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:53.160 they were trying to find her, and that's why the 331 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:54.240 stepdad left the house. 332 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.599 Not short on tips, he says, no crime has received 333 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:01.079 the tips that this double murder did ten or fifteen 334 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:03.839 an hour. They were getting. They didn't peter out for 335 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.519 some time. Unfortunately, the tips never resulted in a solid 336 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:09.400 suspect or an arrest. 337 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:13.000 There was one of the guys that decided, Robert Weller, 338 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:15.640 one of the investigators. He played on a hunch on 339 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.119 what would be the tenth anniversary of the murders, so 340 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:23.039 September twenty eighth, nineteen ninety five. He thought that there 341 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:26.480 would be a chance that whoever did this was going 342 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:30.000 to mark the anniversary of the murders by revisiting that park. 343 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.559 So they staked out the park all night and came 344 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:38.119 up completely empty. Now, again, all those tips that came 345 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.559 in ten to fifteen a day that they were dealing with, 346 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:44.519 and not one of them leads to a hard suspect. 347 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.160 But they did have along with the stepfather, they did 348 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:49.559 have some suspects. 349 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:52.200 We'll tell you who those suspects were when we come back. 350 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.720 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI 351 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:57.880 AM six forty. 352 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:02.599 We're talking about the West Side Park murders out of Munsey, Indiana. 353 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:06.799 This sort of been nineteen eighty five, sixteen year old 354 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:09.839 Ethan Dixon fifteen year old Kimberly Dowell sitting in a 355 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:14.359 car Volkswagen Rabbit looks like listening to music late at night, 356 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:17.839 probably making out that's what they do. But for some 357 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.599 unknown reason, Kimberly was shot in the head, Ethan shot 358 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.839 in the chest. They never came up with a murder weapon, 359 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.640 although there was a holster they found in the car, 360 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.880 but they said it probably wasn't connected to the murders. 361 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:38.160 And despite the fact that there were a lot of 362 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:41.720 tips that came in, they never really were able to 363 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:45.559 solve this crime. And I mentioned that one of the 364 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:53.920 officers that was investigating thought originally that the stepfather, that 365 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:58.039 Kimberly's stepfather, might have been a good suspect early on, 366 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.440 but it turns out that that was not the case. 367 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:07.079 Stepfather had a pretty strong alibi, even though the only 368 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:11.920 person who could verify that was his wife, Don Vogel, 369 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.039 saying was his name. They never were able to pin 370 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.440 it on him, or anybody else for that matter. So 371 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:22.839 a couple of the people that were involved in all 372 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:25.759 of this, I'm trying to find where the list of 373 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.680 suspects went. I wanted to point out that again, even 374 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.799 though this was an absolutely tragic story in that these 375 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:40.079 two young these two teenagers, died, Kimberly Dowell's father, not 376 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:44.079 the stepfather, but her father, said that one of the 377 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:47.440 greatest things that came out of it was that the 378 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:51.440 city itself, this town of Munsey, Indiana, came together. 379 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:57.079 Some of the suspects and scenarios are as follows. As 380 00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:01.640 we mentioned, there were numerous tips and lead There was 381 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:06.359 the Monte Carlo driver the popular car back then, a 382 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:09.599 Chevrolet Monte Carlo, seen in the park that night. Police 383 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:12.680 focused on finding that vehicle, as well as a second car. 384 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.799 Released a composite sketch of the car's driver based on 385 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:20.279 descriptions from witnesses. The driver of the Monte Carlo became 386 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:23.440 a part of lore surrounding the case, but police ultimately 387 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:26.000 said that they don't think the man nor the vehicle 388 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:28.400 had anything to do with the slayings. 389 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:30.079 There. 390 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:33.039 The other one was the cross town rival. They talked 391 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:36.039 about rumors or they'd heard rumors that sixteen year old 392 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.839 Ethan had gotten an argument, maybe an actual fight with 393 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:43.680 a teenager from the south side of Muncy. I mean, 394 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:48.359 that's pretty specific, but at the time, the idea that 395 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:52.160 he felt threatened after this thing lent some special importance 396 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:54.160 to the presence of a knife that was found in 397 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.279 his car. But people were police sorry, were never able 398 00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.319 to actually confirm that a fight had taken. 399 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:04.559 Place's name Kate kept resurfacing. He was one of the 400 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:07.720 first focuses of the police, but never charged, and he 401 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.079